#zigbee-archived

1 messages · Page 137 of 1

remote patio
#

it's in the devices.yaml but not in the web ui

#

it's friggin impossible to unbind this switch now

#

maybe if i remove both devices from z2m and then add the switch before the plug then it won't bind.. zigbee can still be a pain in the ass

remote patio
#

well that was an ordeal.. but it's all working now

#

sometimes devices join z2m and just don't show up in the web ui.. they're in the devices.yaml

echo yarrow
#

nvram clear on the coordinator seems to have done the trick.

remote patio
#

hmm. my office door sensor is not linked to anything on the z2m map.. just floating freely

#

Error Failed to execute LQI for 'Smart Plug 1'

#

interesting.. because it shows the connection between it and the coordinator as well as 2 signal repeaters

#

it never seems possible to get EVERYTHING to work

dry fossil
#

Anything is possible, you just have to know how 🤷‍♂️

#

And I've had devices that appeared to be 'off' the mesh according to the map but still work.

remote patio
#

it works.. but that's not enough for me.. I'd like it represented properly on the map too.

#

I think it may have something to do with the fact that I previously removed the smart plug (force remove) and then the office door sensor which was linked via it.. even after a repair of the smart plug and then office door sensor there's probably something from before causing issues

dry fossil
#

The map doesn't affect functionality. It doesn't matter one iota.

#

It's a 'cool' tool for seeing your mesh and patting yourself on the back about how many nodes you have and how dense the network is... nothing more.

remote patio
#

it influences where I put repeaters.. I often have devices dropping off the network due to a weak signal

sour shadow
#

Right, so use it as what it is - a rough guide

remote patio
#

makes it hard when one of the repeaters doesn't show what's connected to it

sour shadow
#

Does the device work?

remote patio
#

to me something working is the minimum basic functionality 😛

sour shadow
#

Well, if it works, why are you worrying about what a map shows?

#

Right now I have 5 devices that don't show connected. They're all working

#

If I graph again in an hour it'll change

dry fossil
#

Working as expected counts as minimum basic functionality? What else do you want your devices to do? Talk to you? Make you a brew?

remote patio
#

the map is expected to show the links between nodes

dry fossil
#

The map is expected to show the information Z2M can determine about connections. It can't always retrieve all of that information, since it's the network that builds that.

#

If you look in the logs when you ask Z2M to rebuild the map, you'll see that it sends a request to the network.

sour shadow
#

Be glad you don't use Z-Wave where the neighbours list is just lies and any map is even more full of lies ablobjoy

remote patio
#

can't always and never does are two different things.. so far I've not seen it change between remaps in the time I've used it

dry fossil
#

Nice. So your anecdotes mean we're wrong?

sour shadow
#

Oh well, maybe you need to stop worrying about the pretty pictures and just worry about things that work or don't work?

forest cobalt
# remote patio the map is expected to show the links between nodes

While that may be the case, there's a lot of different factors that go into building the map; The coordinator, the devices, and the mesh itself. You're expecting a software solution to 100% handle a hardware-based problem. A Zigbee coordinator is not a network sniffer (which is REALLY what provides the actual network data).

sour shadow
#

There's even issues open on various repos - Z2M and other - about the fact that some devices just don't provide that information

forest cobalt
#

The whole reason for the map existing in both ZHA and Z2M is because most people don't want to spend the money or the time to buy a proper Zigbee network sniffer along with the software required to drive it.

sour shadow
#

Hey, who's connected to you
🦗

#

To be fair, most folks wouldn't know how to use those tools

remote patio
#

well even if the map doesn't know WHAT the device is linked to it would be nice if it had a way of showing the signal strength to whatever it is connected to.. siccne it does know that at least.. even it it was a phantom node

sour shadow
#

Feel free to submit a PR to provide that feature

dry fossil
#

even if the map doesn't know WHAT the device is linked to it would be nice if it had a way of showing the signal strength to whatever it is connected to
How can it tell you the strength of a connection it's not aware of?

sour shadow
#

I know you won't, you're just here to bitch

remote patio
#

because it does?

dry fossil
#

If it knew, it'd be on the graph.

sour shadow
remote patio
#

well it's showing it under devices

#

and it changes

sour shadow
#

Right, but it doesn't know how it's connected

#

How the fuck can it show a connection it doesn't know about?

dry fossil
#

It has no way to decide where to place it on a network graph.

remote patio
#

which is exactlywhat I already said

dry fossil
#

So.. it shows a disconnected node.

forest cobalt
#

Yeah, but that's a combination of the coordinator, the device and the software approximating what they all believe to be the LQI/RSSI.

remote patio
#

does the coordinator always know what's connected directly to it or is that hit and miss too?

sour shadow
#

The coordinator knows what's directly connected to it

#

For everything else it has to ask each router what's connected

forest cobalt
#

And not all routers are created equal.

remote patio
#

oh I know.. the Xiaomi ones are crap

forest cobalt
#

Plus, we're not even scratching the surface here about the differences in message packets structure between ZHA and ZLL profile devices.

remote patio
#

I'd be happy if I could figure out how to just map the unlinked device to a floating router labelled "Undetermined" so I could display the signal strength on the map.

forest cobalt
#

Case in point, I just looked at my map in Z2M... I have 8 devices (5 routers and 3 end devices) that have no LQI and no visible routes. However, they are working and working reliably and have been for months.

remote patio
#

thus far I have no missing LQI. so perhaps my expectations haven't been dashed yet

forest cobalt
#

That won't give you the LQI/RSSI (although, you can probably glean those out of the packet headers), but it will allow you to build your own map by following the commands that are sent and received.

remote patio
#

hmm.. currently have a router firmware on mine.. might check it out.. but it has no external antenna so it probably wouldn't catch everything anyway

dry fossil
forest cobalt
#

Sometimes 2-4 hours with really lazy end devices lol

remote patio
#

can anyone recommend any router devices which are particularly well behaved? or are they all susceptible to problems

#

my routers are either the xiaomi power plugs which I know aren't great.. and tradfri repeaters

dry fossil
#

All of mine are well behaved. They all respond to commands and send out sensor updates at the correct intervals.

#

And... there are hundreds of router devices. No-one's going to give you a list, especially with such a vague request.

violet dagger
#

anything with ptvo's router firmware

remote patio
#

@dry fossil and so you have hundreds of different routers?

dry fossil
#

I don't but that's not the point.

remote patio
#

or you don't know what routers you have?

dry fossil
#

I could recommend the wall switches I have... which would be no good to anyone that doesn't care about wall switches... smart

remote patio
#

I care.. but wall switches are usually not compatible with Australia's weird and unique style

violet dagger
#

or anyone that doesn't have a EU box

remote patio
#

currently all mine are wifi esp8266

dry fossil
#

And unfortunately for you, you're based in a location with a strict electrical code and very limited retail options. Not many people have tried the stuff you might be interested in.

#

So... you need to try it for yourself, unless you find the 3 other Australians that use similar gear.

remote patio
#

there is pretty much no AU zigbee stuff

#

it's all IKEA, Philips, imported Xiaomi or whatever else you can find to order online

#

are IKEA signal repeaters considered to be reliable?

forest cobalt
forest cobalt
remote patio
#

I believe it's channel 11

forest cobalt
#

Ok, my first suggestion is to change the channel to 15, 20, or 25. Ikea (and Philips as well), work much better on the higher Zigbee channels. Also, check your WiFi AP channels. You want as much separation as possible.

#

BUT... in doing this, you'll need to re-pair most of your devices. It's a pain, I know (I've had to do it numerous times over the years), but often leads to a MUCH more stable mesh.

remote patio
#

well I'm currently in progress of transferring HA (and zigbee) from one device to another os I have two concurrent zigbee meshes..

#

2.4ghz wifi is channel 11 also

forest cobalt
#

That could be another reason why you have problems. Did you make sure to use two different channels for your 2 meshes?

remote patio
#

not sure where to find thw channel in phoscon/deconz

forest cobalt
#

Yeah, no clue there.

#

You might want to flip around your channels. Set your WiFi to somewhere between 1-6 and Zigbee to 20 or 25. Ikea and Hue devices work much better in the higher channel range.

#

Although, I'm basing this on US frequencies. You'll have to figure out what works best for you in AU frequencies (if they are different; Honestly, I don't know.

remote patio
#

will need to rescan the local wifi channels to see what's up.. I was under the impression that wifi channel 11 and zigbeechannel 11 did not overlap

#

AU frequencies are the same but some of the higher ones are reserved for emergency services..

#

on wifi

dry fossil
#

If only we had a pinned message about the coexistence of WiFi and Zigbee...

remote patio
#

this seems to show that wifi channel 11 and zigbee channel 11 are almost at opposite ends of the frequency spectrum

dry fossil
#

'almost'... but side lobes smart

forest cobalt
#

Plus, Ikea and Hue devices work better on channels 20 and 25.

dry fossil
#

Yeah, I'd always go higher for Zigbee and lower for WiFi.

forest cobalt
#

@remote patio I'm not suggesting that you HAVE interference. I'm suggesting that you're running ZB3.0/ZLL profile devices on a channel they don't work well on.

remote patio
#

I'll see if that's possible here tomorrow when I can afford a wifi scan from the ap

#

that's fine.. ANYTHING I can do to increase the likelyhood of reliability I'm willing to try

#

theoretically if I improve zigbee I also improve wifi.. so win win

forest cobalt
#

Plus, as soon as you can, ditch those Ikea repeaters. They work great in an Ikea/Hue only setup, but anywhere else and they are pretty much trash. I had 3 of them in my mesh and once I pulled them out, I saw instant improvements.

remote patio
#

god dammit.. wish I heard that advice earlier when I could return 3 of them..

#

I find it hard to believe that xiaomi smart plugs work better as repeaters though

#

and those are my only two routers

forest cobalt
#

Yeah... you and me both. I had them in my mesh for over 6 months before figuring that out.

#

It comes down to radio type and buffer sizes. Because the Ikea repeaters are so tiny, they have a fraction of the buffer space that larger devices do.

remote patio
#

does anyone make repeaters? I've not encountered any

forest cobalt
#

Plus, USB is a constant interference generator.

violet dagger
remote patio
#

surely AC to DC transformers in general must be

dry fossil
#

Plenty of transformers in most of our homes and they don't cause problems.

#

USB (3 in particular) is known to cause issues with wireless devices.

remote patio
#

how is usb special when all it does is provide 5v dc?

forest cobalt
#

See what Mono said.

dry fossil
#

How is it special? The circuitry and IC's, perhaps? smart

#

It's not about the power supply, it's about all the other shit it does.

remote patio
#

how does usb3 factor into this?

obsidian sandalBOT
remote patio
#

none of my power points are usb3 and none of the ikea power supplies that come with the repeaters are usb3

dry fossil
#

You mean none of the things your sticks are connected to are USB3? What about the other ports on the same hardware?

#

Most computers made in the last 5+ years will have at least 1 USB3 port.

remote patio
#

I don't have anything connected to a computer except the coordinator

dry fossil
#

And that computer has zero USB3 ports?

remote patio
#

I assume it only has usb3 ports as it's the home assistant blue

sour shadow
#

USB3 + Zigbee == pain

dry fossil
#

Then you have USB3 interference 🤷‍♂️

remote patio
#

ha blue fail

dry fossil
#

No, USB3 fail.

sour shadow
#

No, you fail for not RTFMing 😛

#

Just use a USB 2 extension cable

remote patio
#

I do

dry fossil
#

You want the new computer you bought to have shitty old specs? Nah.

#

Hi, it's 2021 and I'd like a Pentium and at least two serial ports please.

forest cobalt
#

Wait... when did tokenring go out of style?

remote patio
#

parallel is where it's at

#

USB is serial

#

so I have lots of serial ports

forest cobalt
#

Bottom line: USB[2|3] is bad for wireless signals. 3 more so than 2. But, all USB ports generate interference. The farther you can keep your coordinator and routing devices away from it, the better off your mesh will be.

remote patio
#

is it just the frequency at which they operate?

forest cobalt
#

Yeah, 3 in particular.

#

USB3 uses spread-spectrum over the 2.4ghz/2.5ghz frequencies.

remote patio
#

well I will be keeping the usb devices almost 50 meters from the usb3 port via a usb2 network extender (once I set up the new HA blue)

forest cobalt
#

USB2, because it's much slower and doesn't have to support all the cruft in the USB3 spec only slightly tiptoes into the bottom end of the 2.4ghz spectrum.

remote patio
#

right now it's just a foot away from the usb3 port

forest cobalt
#

Yeah... that's not... optimal. lol

remote patio
#

but it hasn't caused any actual interference in terms of devices working

forest cobalt
#

That's a good thing then. What we are talking here about are basically Zigbee best practices (based upon the years that all of us here have been running Zigbee). My goal, in particular, is for you to have the best possible mesh you can.

sour shadow
#

Well, you're not aware of interference

remote patio
forest cobalt
#

🤦‍♂️ lol

#

Whenever I see something on the market with text like this Initially it was concealed from the general public because it offered average families the opportunity to save on their monthly energy costs. I instantly raise an eyebrow.

dry fossil
#

stops unnecessary power from entering the electrical cables and overloading the network.

#

So... snake oil? Right.

remote patio
#

I just like to enjoy the story they attempt to thread.. which is always totally nonsensical

dry fossil
#

Nonsensical and has no place here. Zigbee, please.

#

Offtopic shit has its own channel.

stable remnant
#

Hi, Not sure if this is the correct channel. But I have a few Philips Hue lamps that are integrated in HA with deconz. So my question is, do someone have the color scheme presets same as in he Hue APP? Like Relax, Reading etc. I like how the app have set these predefined moods. And when I try to make it myself, is not easy get it same as in the HUE APP.

brazen robin
mighty river
#

I replaced my 2 way switch with a broadlink switch and I am having problems with it. I know that broadlink provides only a 1 way switch that uses a line wire but I need solve it. Does anyone know how can I solve it? Thank you

ivory hound
#

ahahaha so according to Voltbox energy enters my house and floods the network, and and hahaha this is why I play more :)))))))) crazy stuff but Voltbox stop's it 🙂 if i can connect this energy firewall to my home assistant via zigbee i get two :)))))

# 
Amanda Hill
I also saved a ton buyng Voltbox. Can't wait my order to arrive!

So this woman already saved a ton but she doesn't have it yet 🙂

dry fossil
#

Funny... but still off-topic.

ivory hound
#

i said if it works with zigbee i take two 🙂

dry fossil
#

"I'm looking to buy a new car and I might occasionally transport a Zigbee device home in it. Can you help me choose a car?"
☝️ still off-topic

gentle flint
#

Those are my favorite. The only ones on market that support direct binding to lights

faint mango
#

hello, i am trying to add a sonoff zigbee bridge...i've flashed it with tasmoto and updated the firmware. I can see the tcp port is open on 8888 as i can telnet to the port. WHen i try to add it to HA it keeps failing. In the logs i can see this; result = sock.connect_ex((str(address), port))
TypeError: an integer is required (got type str)

#

has anyone see something similar to this or do you know what i am doing wrong?

austere patio
faint mango
#

socket://10.10.10.238:8888

austere patio
#

That seems right. Can you post the complete Python traceback?

faint mango
#

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/supervisor/supervisor/misc/scheduler.py", line 62, in _wrap_task
await task.coro_callback()
File "/usr/src/supervisor/supervisor/misc/tasks.py", line 416, in _watchdog_addon_application
if addon.in_progress or await addon.watchdog_application():
File "/usr/src/supervisor/supervisor/addons/addon.py", line 479, in watchdog_application
return await self.sys_run_in_executor(check_port, self.ip_address, port)
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/concurrent/futures/thread.py", line 57, in run
result = self.fn(*self.args, **self.kwargs)
File "/usr/src/supervisor/supervisor/utils/init.py", line 43, in check_port
result = sock.connect_ex((str(address), port))
TypeError: an integer is required (got type str)

austere patio
#

This doesn't look like ZHA. Where are you entering the port info?

faint mango
#

i was following this

#

and the logs is from the HA core logs

austere patio
#

Is this with the latest HA?

faint mango
#

it is on core-2021.5.4

#

it looks like core-2021.5.5 is there to update

#

let me update it and see if it's the same

austere patio
faint mango
#

i get a "Failed to connect" in red on that

austere patio
faint mango
#

ok thanks, let me try that

stable remnant
austere patio
#

Make sure to restart HA after making the change

brazen robin
faint mango
#

@austere patio this is what i get in the lofs

#

2021-05-21 16:59:58 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.ezsp] Resetting EZSP
2021-05-21 17:00:01 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.ezsp] Unsuccessful radio probe of 'socket://10.10.10.238:8888' port
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/bellows/ezsp/init.py", line 55, in probe
await asyncio.wait_for(ezsp._probe(), timeout=PROBE_TIMEOUT)
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/asyncio/tasks.py", line 501, in wait_for
raise exceptions.TimeoutError()
asyncio.exceptions.TimeoutError

austere patio
stable remnant
stable remnant
brazen robin
stable remnant
#

@brazen robin Thanks I will check it out 😄

brazen robin
#

@stable remnant You could also set the bulb to the scene you're curious about, then look at your entity's attributes to get the xy.

max_mireds: 370
supported_color_modes: color_temp, hs
color_mode: hs
brightness: 255
hs_color: 0, 0
rgb_color: 255, 255, 255
xy_color: 0.323, 0.329
color_temp: 154
friendly_name: Bedroom 2
supported_features: 19```
stable remnant
brazen robin
#

I just copied and pasted the color_temp blueprint and modified it you rgb. I can DM you the code. It is functional but I don't know how to properly install it. I just copied the original to a new folder and HA saw it.

naive agate
#

Recommended zigbee RGBW controller? Wanting to setup some video conferencing lights with some 5050 remnants I have laying around.

wraith hill
#

Hi guys, I have the following issue: I finally managed to setup Zigbee2mqtt on Home Assistant with use of the mosquitto broker 😀

I´m using the Texas Instruments CC2531 adapter on a Home Assistant Blue which actually works quit well most of the time. However, without any obvious actions taken from my side, the adapter suddenly stops working after a certain time. In this state, neither restarting the Zigbee2mqtt Add-on nor a complete Server reboot does help. Only plugging the adapter out and in the USB port again brings it back working. Anybody faced the same issue?

sterile sleet
#

afaik the cc2531 is the worst

#

you could try usb2 ports if you run it in a usb3 port until now

wraith hill
#

I had it connected to an usb 2.0 hub before - Same issue here

sterile sleet
#

then you might hit the complaints about this stick...

cedar coyote
#

Fudge. Enbrighten smart switch, the listing didn't specify if it needed neutral, and I assumed when it said it works with single pole setup that it didn't. But it requires neutral. I guess I'm just out of luck? It has a neutral jumper wire included, not sure what that's for

#

There might actually be a neutral in this box. A bunch of white wires tied together

dry fossil
#

Don't go by colour alone. If you don't know what they or are how to identify them, get an electrician to check your wiring.

#

You don't want your house to burn down...

fleet lodge
#

Does anyone run AQARA devices on a channel other than default: 11? Do they behave well on other channels?

austere patio
#

Firmware for it isn't developed anymore so you're just out of luck

cedar coyote
#

They were neutrals. I hate working with these old style boxes, big switches are hard to fit. But it works.

austere patio
fleet lodge
#

@austere patio thank you!!

ivory hound
solid inlet
#

What is the best procedure to change a failing Zigbee device in HA?

autumn warren
jolly narwhal
#

@solid inlet what device?

#

@autumn warren it's not IP rated, so your milage will vary, I have one outdoors for Halloween only, works fine one day of the year

#

I run my ZigBee network on channel 20, no issues there either

autumn warren
#

@jolly narwhal Yeah I couldn't find any IP rated ones on Ali for some reason

jolly narwhal
#

You can DIY some WiFi based, I haven't seen ZigBee ones, might be some, but usually you can put it under something

solid inlet
jolly narwhal
#

Well, if it dies, force remove from your ZigBee implementation, if not dead, just remove and pair a new one

#

I have 100+ devices that have been online for up to two years, only one has died so far

solid inlet
#

Yeah, hope it won't happen anytime soon... 🙂 But that takes care of the device itself, what about the scripts & automations? It will get a new name I suppose?

#

Or is there a way of using aliases?

jolly narwhal
#

Depends, for Zigbee2mqtt if I remove a device and add a new one, I just call it the same and tell it to update home assistant

#

Everything keeps going

#

Don't know about other zigbee implementations

solid inlet
#

Hm. I should've gone with Z2M, most seem to like that one. I use ZHA atm...

jolly narwhal
#

What stick do you have?

solid inlet
#

ConbeeII

jolly narwhal
#

Ah, then zigbee2mqtt is a bad choice anyway

#

Or rather, the conbee is a horrible choice for zigbee2mqtt

solid inlet
#

I didn't research well enough and I heard deCONZ was the way to go...

#

Yeah, so I heard. What is it that makes it a bad choice?

jolly narwhal
#

Chipset is experimental support at best, and subpar compared to the TI chipsets

solid inlet
#

Oh. Yeah, I know what that can mean... :S

jolly narwhal
#

The zzh or tube are the best choices if you want to migrate to zigbee2mqtt in the future

obsidian sandalBOT
#

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: atxbyea
jolly narwhal
solid inlet
#

Thanks! I think the first step forward will be to get a Z-Wave stick tho, haven't gotten to that yet, but will keep the advice (and read some more about Z2M)

jolly narwhal
#

I have the aeotec gen5 zwave stick

#

Great with zwave2mqttjs, but I dropped zwave after a month of HA, but I keep it around for testing

solid inlet
#

I have mostly Zigbee stuff, but a few outlets that use Z-Wave. Really don't miss it much, but was useful for measuring stuff... Haven't found any good Zigbee ones yet

jolly narwhal
#

I use WiFi based tasmota devices for power metering

#

Both IP and non IP rated ones

#

Cheap, easy to flash, just works

solid inlet
#

Ok. I tend to avoid Wifi... For some reason I have never liked it much. But as you say, it's a well known standard by now and has become quite cheap to

wraith hill
jolly narwhal
#

Zzh then @wraith hill

wraith hill
jolly narwhal
#

Yes

#

It is amazeballs

wraith hill
#

Probably needs 2 month for shipping to Germany thou 😬

sterile sleet
#

took a little over 14 days to austria

jolly narwhal
#

Took 12 days to Norway

wraith hill
#

What date did u order guys?

jolly narwhal
#

Ordered 14th, shipped 16th

#

April

wraith hill
#

Alright, so up to 14 days after Brexit and within Corona times

#

And it still needs to be flashed right?

jolly narwhal
#

Yes

#

It is documented

#

As long as you don't screw it up the first time you don't need extra hardware

wraith hill
#

Is it documented the way that Noobs like me can easily follow through or do I need to call an engineer?

jolly narwhal
#

It is pretty easy

#

A 4/10

wraith hill
#

A 4/10 ?

jolly narwhal
#

In difficulty

wraith hill
#

Where 10 = Rocket Science?

jolly narwhal
#

1 is intuitive gui, 10 is writing your own operating system

dry fossil
#

No, 8 would be rocket surgery. No-one can handle a 10.

jolly narwhal
wraith hill
#

I should probably start with -2 😄

thick plover
#

I bought one last weekend but haven’t figured out what needs to be done to it

jolly narwhal
#

Some can be done with tuya convert

#

But I just pop them open and attach a serial port

thick plover
#

Saw some funky stuff about soldering and that turned me off

thick plover
jolly narwhal
#

I just hold the wires in place with tape

#

The pins are usually exposed somewhere

#

Like this

thick plover
#

Ah yeah

#

And then this connects to an esp32 device or something?

jolly narwhal
#

No

#

Or yes

#

On the plug

#

You connect it to a serial to usb adapter on a computer

dry fossil
jolly narwhal
#

I'll show you diy

jolly narwhal
#

wonder what I did now

# 
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-05-22 15:09:41: Configuration is not consistent with adapter state/backup!
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-05-22 15:09:41: - PAN ID: configured=6754, adapter=6755
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-05-22 15:09:41: - Extended PAN ID: configured=00124bxxx60b3c, adapter=dddddddddddddddd
#

Hmm rolling back to stable solved it

#

BØGZ

austere patio
jolly narwhal
#

that was the zzh

#

first real issue I've had on the latest-dev branch for over a year

austere patio
#

Error says your Z2M config is wrong

jolly narwhal
#

it does, but rolling back to stable solved it

#

so I expect it to be a mapping bug somewhere

austere patio
#

Old Z2M network formation code was bad

dry fossil
#

This looks suspect:

adapter=dddddddddddddddd

#

Adapter is reporting incorrectly.

austere patio
#

Nope, that's the default in Z2M

jolly narwhal
austere patio
#

This is from the Z2M network formation refactor

dry fossil
#

So where does the other value come from? configured=00124bxxx60b3c

jolly narwhal
#

I'll stay on stable till someone fixes it 😄

austere patio
#

Probably the Z2M config

dry fossil
#

Which value is in your config, atx?

jolly narwhal
#

I have no PAN ID in my config, it reads it from the backup file afaik

austere patio
#

Yeah seems like a bug with migrating old backup format to new

jolly narwhal
#

I need to start going through my home assistant error log soon

#

the list is increasing slowly

#

TIME, why don't we have 28 hour days

#

😄

#

2021-05-22 15:37:58 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.helpers.template] Template variable warning: 'dict object' has no attribute 'click' when rende ring '{{ value_json.click }}'

#

You aren't helping much there homeassistant.helpers!

#

ah, got my monthly updates done across all my systems

gentle flint
jolly narwhal
#

Interesting, my xiaomi have never dropped off

#

except the one that the battery died on

sterile sleet
#

my hue outdoor sensors regularly trigger motion when sunshine is too direct

#

you better place them in shades

jolly narwhal
#

You have outdoors ? I thought there was only indoors in mstone country

sterile sleet
#

what is this question

thick plover
#

Anyone know of a zigbee plant probe? (Soil moisture etc). Couldn’t find anything on goggle

mental wave
thick plover
#

Bummer, just want to avoid sending our plants to their death bed

mental wave
#

I'm so sick of this "failed to set DTR/RTS" error that has plagued my conbee ii for years. I've used PI, two laptops, and two different desktops, updated the conbee firmware, used windows, used Linux, used multiple extension cords and USB hubs. I'm basically ready to get rid of this thing. I'm thinking about the HUSBZB-1. Anybody have experience/thoughts on what that switch might be like?

jolly narwhal
#

Your avatar tells me you should get the zzh

#

Also the conbee is shite, all my sources confirm this

#

🤣

mental wave
#

I haven't read much about the zzh

uneven wave
#

Hello all, I'm questioning about ZHA. For the moment, everything about zigbee is with deconz. ZHA can be run in parallel or do I need to stop deconz and deconz integrations ? Not clear to me how ZHA is working...

mental wave
#

ZHA replaces Deconz you can't have both

uneven wave
#

Ok , understood. Thank you for the quick answer 🙂

#

My main concern is with 2 devices TRV which I can see in deconz but not all feature available. I try with a tuya gateway, It's even not appear from HA but manageable on the tuyasmart.

mental wave
#

There is a webpage somewhere that includes deconz device compatibility that I have found helpful

uneven wave
mental wave
#

Also, sometimes when my devices didnt seem to have all their features available I found that when adding them to deconz, if I had the vnc viewer open and selected the device and refreshed the data under each heading as it was adding it would pick up those features. It seems like some devices don't report everything spontaneously. But this is just from my personal troubleshooting. I have conbee and deconz also

uneven wave
#

I also try zigbee2mqtt but not possible for me to work with conbee2 ... even after some hours of research. So I keep deconz which is fine at 90%

#

In deconz add-on , I play with deconz and you can "force" discovery of features

mental wave
#

Do you ever get the "failed to set DTR/RTS" bug?

uneven wave
#

not aware of this , I need to check debug logs ?

mental wave
#

I run mine in a VM and it shows up on the VM terminal

#

Its causing my zigbee network to go offline, I think it's the conbee ii boot looping

#

I was just asking because I'm trying to figure this problem out for myself lol

uneven wave
#

No issues at all with my setup (all in one - Raspi4)

#

But with deconz integration, I see in HA , 3 unknow devices that I can't remove.

#

seems a "DB" issue

mental wave
#

I wonder if my stick is just faulty

#

I've literally had this problem across the raspberry pi, multiple computers, probably 10 different reinstalls, Linux and Windows so I don't know what else it could be

uneven wave
#

I don't think so, It may be other issues

mental wave
#

I'm hesitant to move to another stick tho because when it's working its perfect

uneven wave
#

I was coming from a CCxxxx chip with texas chip using a flash from zigbee2mqtt , this was not usable... pairing was a nightmare

silver stump
#

hey there,
I bought a new zigbee remote, ikea styrbar.
I checked in nodered, and only receive the same commands from it as the simple on/off switch
on, off, move, move_with_off, stop. So the arrow buttons short press does nothing, and the long press creates an on event. Am I missing something or thats it?
(I am using zha, and zhh! stick)

uneven wave
#

this conbee 2 with some ikea repeaters is doing the job

#

from debug view of deconz , I lean more then from nodered

#

learn *lean

jolly narwhal
#

Which is horrible

uneven wave
#

correct CC2531 that's the one .... indeed

#

there is someone achieving to have conbee 2 with zigbee2mqtt ?

jolly narwhal
#

It is... Experimental at best

frail shell
#

people a short question : i can easily place the ZZH stick into a 5V phone charger and place it somewhere in my house?

jolly narwhal
#

No

near echo
frail shell
#

as a router , sorry

jolly narwhal
#

Then yes

frail shell
#

cool

near echo
#

But that will be an expensive router. Why not buy a plug or so

frail shell
#

yes , to be honest , i don't need a zigbee router, the signal is powerful enough , but the people behind ZZH wrote me in a mail that their dongle could perform as a router

#

and it made me wonder ...

#

i'm still waiting for the 1st zzh stick 😛

jolly narwhal
#

I have a cc2531 with antenna as a router to reach my greenhouse

#

Other than that my 60 bulbs cover everything

frail shell
#

yes hehe i also have those bulbs, mine are from philips

near echo
#

If that's 1st zzh stick and you don't have any other co-ordinator, then you need co-ordinator first for zigbee network to be made

frail shell
#

@near echo yes

#

i wanted to install debian linux on my old laptop , place HA on it , and connect the ZZH stick

serene fractal
#

Just got my ZZH stick this morning. Fantastic delivery
Yours shouldnt be too long 🙂

frail shell
#

where are you from @serene fractal ? 🙂

near echo
frail shell
#

wow , the pi4 ?

near echo
#

Yes. Even rpi3b+

jolly narwhal
#

Cutting down on power no

near echo
#

and its compact.

frail shell
#

@serene fractal from the netherlands here , i have to wait longer sadly 😛

serene fractal
#

🙂 yea

graceful notch
#

is there a preference for zha, deconz or zigbee2mqtt when someone wants to combine it with node-red ?

jolly narwhal
#

Something is lost in translation here

graceful notch
#

I hope it's more clear now 🙂

jolly narwhal
#

Shouldn't matter tbh

#

I'll say zigbee2mqtt - zha - deconz though

graceful notch
#

any particular reason why you'd prefer zigbee2mqtt ?

jolly narwhal
#

Stability / decoupling

#

And very actively maintained

near echo
#

With mqtt you could connect/control from anywhere unlike ZHA which is integral to HA

jolly narwhal
#

Zigbee2mqtt won't restart every time I restart ha 🤣

graceful notch
#

I'll start fiddling with the mqtt version this weekend and see what it gives 🙂

near echo
#

But ZHA uses zigpy which supports more stack, hence more varied adapter unlike Z2M, which as of supports mostly zstack. Ther eis experimental other adapters but largely Ti

fallow warren
#

Since I'm my install migrating to a different host I will also upgrade to ZZH, using zigpy-znp to do this. I guess just do a backup then shut off HA and the zigbee coordinator? Then start it up on the new host and import?

near echo
#

Not sure what you are trying to achieve, you are compiling a seperate image for zigpy-znp outside of HA?

fallow warren
#

Im moving my installation to a new host. So at the same time Il take the chance to upgrade to zzh. But now I realize Its probably better to do one thing at a time 🙂

#

So Il do the migrate then il do zigbee after 👍

wraith hill
#

@graceful notch - The biggest issue with Zigbee2mqtt in my opinion is, that there are only few Zigbee adapters that really seem to work. And those that do are quite expensive and, more over, quite hard to get (at least currently). I´m trying now waiting for my 3rd adapter already hoping to get it up an running anytime in near future.

graceful notch
#

I have a conbee II, that one should be supported 🙂

wraith hill
#

Good luck with this - That was my first attempt 😬

graceful notch
#

:oof:

#

I already have an issue whilest trying to get it working on the deconz image

austere patio
wraith hill
graceful notch
#

ah it's going now in deconz

#

somehow a fw upgrade changed it to ttyACM1 instead of ttyACM0

fallow warren
#

Ok great Il just use snapshot restore and move the stick, updating the path to device then il do the zzh migrate with zigpy-znp 👍

austere patio
#

Ah, I missed that you're migrating to a new stick. Yeah, just do a backup of the old stick and restore to the new one.

#

I think you can actually re-add the ZHA integration and have it point to the new stick to avoid messing with .storage but I've not tried that yet

jolly narwhal
#

@graceful notch that is why you don't use dynamic device names

fallow warren
#

Thanks i will just do system migration first then the zzh after to avoid 2 headaches at once

graceful notch
#

@jolly narwhal yeah I should handle that asap

jolly narwhal
#

/dev/serial/by-id/

graceful notch
#

thanks! fixed it right now

#

first attempt in deconz for connecting a switch is a fail, i might better immediately try zigbee2mqtt

austere patio
#

Switching integrations usually doesn't help with adding a device if it's not even joining your network

graceful notch
#

pairs fine with the hue bridge, does nothing with the deconz setup

#

I can see the stick going in commission mode though

serene marsh
#

Can someone please help me with cc2531 and the aqara cube. I have added tot HA succesfully but how can i add actions etc.?

dry fossil
#

The problem won't be deCONZ. It's not pairing with your stick.

#

And the Conbee stick only has experimental support with Z2M, so you're probably going to have more trouble there.

serene marsh
#

Is there any blueprints for that i think there is well for decons but not for cc2531

dry fossil
#

Did HA create an entity for your cube?

#

Also, which integration did you use?

serene marsh
#

Yes i see the entity sensor. Xxxxxxx_action

dry fossil
#

And the value of that sensor changes when you do things with the cube?

serene marsh
#

After pairing it have added automstically in mqtt broker

#

Yes the value is changing

dry fossil
#

Then what are you actually asking how to do?

serene marsh
#

What is really next to make as an example: when double tab i want that light go off

dry fossil
serene marsh
#

Yeah automations but as a value for the aqara cube?

#

For the double tab

dry fossil
graceful notch
#

stick is working fine, if i activate zigbee home automation in hass, so it must be something in the deconz configuration

#

but that'll be for another day

silent rapids
#

hi, i have upgraded to hassio and now i got 2 deconz gatewayss with the same id in integrations. i can deaktivate one, but then ALL my devices are shown as deactivated. One of the entries is ok, the other show an configuration error. i do not want to delete, i fear that i loose my devices then... any ideas?

gentle flint
molten linden
#

There also the diy one from the Russians

jolly narwhal
graceful notch
#

ok, something must be wrong in my way of thinking, I finally managed to get the switch to work in deconz (it apparently doesn't show up in the webgui, but it does in the vnc view).
i can see in the deconz log, that there are no buttons mapped (obviously, since i cannot see the device in the webgui) and when i check for deconz_event in homeassistant, nothing shows up either (only the battery level sensor, but no events)

analog ember
#

Anyone else experiencing issues with ikea tradfri 2 button remotes paired to a sonoff zbbridge using ZHA? They drop off the network after 2-3 days which what seems like an empty battery. Have to put a new battery in before it does anything again (and needs to be re-paired)

jolly narwhal
#

I have the IKEA on and off button, plus two five button ones

#

No issues with zigbee2mqtt

wraith hill
# gentle flint Plaid plant sensors are zigbee

1 sensor for $60?! Man, you really must be in love with Zigbee if you go down that road for plant surveillance 😁 @thick plover Imho get a decent bluetooth adapter (if not already using a Pi) and some Xiaomi MiFlora Monitor sensors (about $18 each). They even measure soil nutrients which is way more likely to kill your plants than moisture

analog ember
jolly narwhal
#

Downgrading you say NM_PeepoTongue

solid inlet
analog ember
analog ember
solid inlet
#

Have you got a strong mesh? If it falls off it may be due to weak signal. Maybe a repeater will improve things?

jolly narwhal
#

I have never had an aqara motion sensor (or other sensor) drop off my Zigbee2mqtt mesh

thick plover
#

Not a flat battery?

jolly narwhal
#

I've had one EYEBROWS

thick plover
#

For a month now mine have been rock solid

jolly narwhal
#

I even have done the 1s hack on one aqara motion sensor

#

The battery has been going 9 months so far

thick plover
#

What’s the 1s hack?

gentle flint
jolly narwhal
#

@thick plover Soldering to make it update every second

delicate lodge
#

hello

#

my Conbee II has a very VERY unreliable connection to zigbee devices 😦

#

even with using the Extension cable

golden vessel
#

also, check if the wifi channel and zigbee channel do not overlap

#

if all else fails, you probably need a repeater in the middle

delicate lodge
#

@golden vessel ... I dont think Raspberry Pi 3b has USB3.

#

How do I check if the Zigbee channels overlap?

#

the RSSI is -66

delicate lodge
#

is an RSSI of -45 good?

#

What about LQI 255?

mighty river
#

ESP8266 Zigbee alternative???

austere patio
mighty river
austere patio
#

Though most deployed devices use the EmberZNet stack from Silicon Labs

mighty river
#

I also heard about ptvo.info work with CC2530. Haven't tried yet

austere patio
#

I don't believe you have access to the source code for that one

#

Nor can you even compile your own code for the CC2530/31 since it requires the "Request a quote"-style pricing IAR Embedded Workbench IDE

#

If you're looking to just expose GPIO pins or a simple sensor or something I think that project can work fine though, the CC2530 modules are cheap and have a similar form factor to ESP8266s

mighty river
#

For now, that's exactly the idea... No big customizations or heavy coding... Just IO pins for switches/sensors. The price is a huge advantage

austere patio
#

Neat, the GUI firmware configuration/builder tool supports battery-operated devices. I wonder how it manages to do all of this and remain spec-compliant (if it is 🙏)

#

Jk, that's only in the premium version, which costs $6.95 per device if you're making only one

near echo
mighty river
#

Is there a way to see what ZHA is doing when it tries to discover devices?

#

I have a few light bulbs that I would like to add but nothing happens when I try to add them

#

well, not absolutely nothing: when I show the logs I do get [0x0000:zdo] ZDO request ZDOCmd.Mgmt_Permit_Joining_req: [60, <Bool.false: 0>]

#

but that's it

dry fossil
#

Sounds like the devices themselves aren't doing anything. Your coordinator doesn't reach out to the devices, the devices attempt to join the coordinator.

mighty river
#

is there a way to make them do something? I reset them a couple of times but they never show up

dry fossil
#

All you can do is follow their pairing instructions. Some brands make them deliberately obtuse.

#

I had to press a sequence of about 15 buttons to get my TRV to start pairing 🤣

mighty river
#

I mean, these are just basic RGB light bulbs, the usual 5xon/off doesn't seem to do it

sour shadow
#

"The usual" varies from brand to brand

#

Maybe it's 5, maybe it's 7, maybe it's something else

dry fossil
#

Yeah, there's no 'usual' 😄

#

Maybe they expect a 3 second pause in between each toggle. Maybe 5. 🤷‍♂️

#

What's that instructional/parody video for the pairing stuff?

mighty river
dry fossil
mighty river
#

no it's 5. both the instructions say so but it's also just obvious from the fact that they dim when you do that a few times

dry fossil
sour shadow
#

Interesing that it used to be supported by Zigbee2MQTT but isn't any more

#

That's a pretty bad sign

mighty river
#

that's the thing. I don't know whether I'm getting any response

dry fossil
#

That GE video 🤣

mighty river
#

there's no sort of debug information in the zbbridge itself and the log in HA just shows ^^

mighty river
#

Just reflashed the sonoff bridge according to the "official" documentation, and no change.
How far away can the coordinator be to discover devices?

jolly narwhal
#

How far away is it? And what is between it and the device?

#

It is a horrible choice for a coordinator btw

mighty river
#

maybe 2m max, and there's nothing in between

jolly narwhal
#

Should be no issue then afaik

mighty river
#

okay, I guess then the bulbs are just broken

jolly narwhal
#

As long as you aren't as smart as me who tried to pair a WiFi bulb to a ZigBee coordinator once

mighty river
#

I have wifi bulbs but no, I'm not trying to pair them to a zigbee coordinator

jolly narwhal
#

But, out of all zigbee options I would say the sonoff bridge is.... One of the worst ones

mighty river
#

well it's about the only one I can get here so it'll have to do

sterile sleet
#

just recently read that you can make broadcom wifi send everything 2.4 what you want, wonder if it can really do zigbee 😄

jolly narwhal
#

Where is here @mighty river ?

mighty river
#

the Netherlands

jolly narwhal
#

@frail shell just ordered a zzh to the Netherlands

frail shell
#

yes it takes time lol

mighty river
#

hmm but that's a USB dongle

#

wouldn't be much good for me since I'd have to install it inside what's pretty much a Faraday cage

thick plover
#

run an extension cable out of the cage

jolly narwhal
#

Usb extension cord

thick plover
jolly narwhal
mighty river
#

yeah no that really doesn't work well with the construction of my house

#

there's a lot of concrete between the rack and the place my lamps are

#

that's why the sonoff thing works, it's right in the room I need it to be in

#

well, I say works...

jolly narwhal
#

Then you use a random raspberry pi somewhere in the house

#

That is what I do

dry fossil
#

One of the benefits of Z2M is that you can set up your coordinator anywhere you like.

sterile sleet
#

zha and home assistant remote instance is also possible, works, but comes with other troubles

dry fossil
#

🤢

delicate lodge
#

I can't get a signal from my switches to the zigbee Conbee II

#

Its incredibly unreliable

#

I even got a USB extension cable... and it still keeps having trouble connecting

frail shell
#

@jolly narwhal reading above : you were absolutely right

fleet lodge
#

Hello

#

What IDE would one use to adjust firmware for CC2652P2? IAR? CCS?

#

We're interested in adjusting Koenkk's CC1352P2_CC2652P_launchpad_coordinator_* firmware.

fleet lodge
#

NVM, I think I've found that CCS will work and it's free.

austere patio
#

What are you planning on changing?

fervent storm
#

my sonoff zigbee bridge has a new IP address - how do I tell the ZHA integration?

dry fossil
#

If you know the old address, just set up DHCP reservation on your router like a sane person.

#

Assign it the old IP address - fixes the current problem and prevents it happening in the future too.

jolly narwhal
#

🤢

austere patio
#

Or don't use IP addresses

#

See if it has a .local address or something

#

I think you can do it by removing and re-adding the ZHA integration but I do it the bad way by editing .storage/core.config_entries.

dry fossil
#

mDNS is way worse than reserving IP's.

jolly narwhal
#

mDNS, atleast use proper DNS, doesn't even require a fixed Ip if the DHCP server populates the DNS

steel bone
#

do you guys know any wall mounted outdoor zigbee switches?

plush sinew
#

hi everyone, I have a blue cc2531 usb stick

#

and 2 xiaomi aquara temp/humidity sensors

sour shadow
#

Sensors send updates, they're not polled

#

So, if your sensors are sending an update once an hour, that's all they feel they need to send

#

Nothing is wrong there

plush sinew
#

but when I'm taking sensor in my hand and move it closer to the rpi it immediately send update

#

it looks like a distance is a problem but it is no more than 3 meters :/

sour shadow
#

If distance was a problem there would be no updates

#

Taking it your hand causes it to update - maybe your hand makes it warm up enough, maybe when you move it you move it somewhere warmer/cooler/dryer/more humid

plush sinew
#

The sensor only sends data when there is a significant change in value.

#

that's makes sense

#

ok, thanks

sour shadow
#

Your choice of the world's worst Zigbee stick isn't even a factor here 😛

plush sinew
#

:D:D the cheapest one

jolly narwhal
#

🤢

delicate lodge
#

I'm still having trouble with my Conbee II

#

I tried using an extension cable

#

it did not help... at all

jolly narwhal
#

Most people seem to be

sour shadow
#

The extension cable, if USB 2.0, will have helped, whether it helped enough though...

delicate lodge
#

So... I should have bought a different stick???

sour shadow
#

That's a great stick if you run deCONZ

#

It's an ok stick if you run ZHA

delicate lodge
#

should I switch to deCONZ?

sour shadow
#

It's a terrible choice if you use Zigbee2MQTT

delicate lodge
#

because im running ZHA

sour shadow
#

Or buy a better stick

#

EmberZNET or CC2652

delicate lodge
#

The signal seems OK in Visualization

#

its showing an RSSI of -45

#

and LQI of 255

#

but still the switches seem to have trouble communicating with it

#

when I click on the switches, oftentimes nothing happens

sour shadow
#

LQI of 255 sometimes means I have no idea

delicate lodge
#

and it shows a red LED flash rather than green...implying that the command did not reach it

jolly narwhal
#

Do you have any routers at all?

delicate lodge
#

yes

#

wait

#

when you say routers

#

what do you mean?

sour shadow
#

Zigbee routers

#

As explained in the pinned messages about how Zigbee works

delicate lodge
#

I was told all I need is a raspberry pi

#

and a stick

sour shadow
#

Well, yes, for inside that room

jolly narwhal
#

If you want a horrible experience

#

Sure

sour shadow
#

But you need routers (most mains powered Zigbee devices) to build that mesh

#

It's like saying that for a car you need an engine, steering wheel, and four road wheels. With just those you're not going to be doing a lot of driving...

delicate lodge
#

....

#

I only have like two Zigbee Light switches

dry fossil
#

In the same room as your coordinator?

delicate lodge
#

Not far from eachother at all

#

one is within arm span

#

The other is within 10 or so feet, but in another room

dry fossil
#

Which one is having problems?

hollow pendant
#

Hi folks, hope everyone is doing fine. Does anyone know if it is possible to migrate from a Nortek USB stick to an coordinator with CC2652P chip. I bought from tube zb coordinator and router. The router made the network already so much better so I would like to you the coordinator too. Thanks for any advice. Best regards and have a great sunday.

delicate lodge
#

both actually

#

Im using Conbee II, ZHA integration, and Philips Hue lightswitches

sour shadow
delicate lodge
#

Do you think I should try switching to Deconz?

hollow pendant
#

@sour shadow thanks, so I know what I have to do on my next day off.😩

austere patio
#

Though running two commands isn't that bad

sour shadow
#

Oooh, you can migrate from non TI sticks now?

austere patio
#

Have been able to for a while, it's just not advertised 😆

sour shadow
hollow pendant
#

@austere patio Is there a guide for that?

delicate lodge
#

so im trying to run deconz instead of ZHA

#

and I hav ea dumb question...what do I put down for host? Do I just put the IP address of the raspberry pi HA is installed on?

austere patio
#

I have a few scripts for it sitting around

#

PM me if/when you want to give it a try

hollow pendant
#

Thanks, I will do

delicate lodge
#

can anyone help me figure out how to install deconz with Conbee II?

grim igloo
#

regarding the topic of the channel- is there a "preferred" method with zigbee like there is with zwave-js?

sour shadow
#

ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT are the main two options IMO

#

Depends whether you want it embedded in HA, or not

#

Some of us really like not having all our eggs in one basket. Some people prefer to do that...

grim igloo
#

these days i'm an eggs all in one basket guy

sour shadow
#

Then ZHA is the obvious choice

grim igloo
#

at least regarding homelab/smart home

#

kk

sour shadow
#

You won't go wrong with a CC2652p based stick though, and if you're in the USA then Tube is "local" to you

grim igloo
#

ah so it's just an esp32 with a board?

sour shadow
#

No

grim igloo
#

i suppose better to buy one then try to diy?

sour shadow
#

If you're really skilled, DIY is fine

grim igloo
#

i am not

#

damn i was not prepared to need to do this kind of due diligence

#

i guess i will go read the linked stuff above lol

sour shadow
#

Buy cheap, buy twice, or three or four times

grim igloo
#

yeah..

#

and to confirm my suspicions- my hue bridge isnt worth trying to get stuff to link to right? just do it right with a proper zha device

austere patio
#

You can DIY it if you want, just gotta wait for like two months for shipping for one of the pre-made CC2652P modules

grim igloo
#

i'm still pretty noob with electronics.. i just use esphome and wled for most esp projects

#

i've looked into getting my own hot flow station or w/e and seen the steps.. i am very much not interested in that

austere patio
#

DIY is probably not a great idea then 😆

grim igloo
#

ok.. so if i can make my own devices with esphome and have good wifi signal and can get wires to it.. any reason to go zwave/zigbee over esphome diy?

sour shadow
#

Battery life?

#

Ability to buy devices that look nice?

grim igloo
#

sorry i meant wired power

#

yeah

#

but as far as like.. function

sour shadow
#

Well, that's a personal call IMO

grim igloo
#

kk

sour shadow
#

There's never a best, it's always about tradeoffs

#

Even if those are "only" time or money

grim igloo
#

it always sucks to read that -.-

#

yeah

sour shadow
#

Welcome to the real world 😛

delicate lodge
#

so i was able to get deconz to work

#

it seems to work better than ZHA

dry fossil
#

I think you're the first person that's ever said that.

austere patio
#

It's the Conbee paradox: ZHA > deCONZ > ZHA > Z2M > deCONZ

delicate lodge
#

???

#

The Conbee Paradox being, that whatever you tried first is always less good than whatever you try next?

#

So what are some good routers to improve the mesh? After some reading, it appears that while there are dedicated routers... many devices that power off of mains (as opposed to battery powered) double as mesh routers?

#

I could use some smart plugs... which ones improve the mesh?

austere patio
#

Just about every device that doesn't run off of batteries will extend the mesh

delicate lodge
#

Ok

#

I dont have any other devices other than the switches at this time

#

My house is only 1,100 sq ft

#

and just wood construction, no concrete

lime locust
#

i have one contact sensor , which keeps dropping off the network no LQI , but strange thing is , it keeps functioning ? anything i can do about it ?

dry fossil
#

Then it's not dropping off the network, it's just not reporting back when your coordinator tries to build a map.

#

It's normal for battery-powered devices to only talk when they want to talk, so it's not a surprise that they sometimes fail to respond to map queries.

#

If they still work, there's no problem to solve.

violet dagger
hardy crane
#

What's the popular opionion about the Sonoff ZBMini? €37 for 5 of them seems like a good deal but not if they are crap

violet dagger
#

they're fine

hardy crane
#

only bad thing I found around here was they don't seem to let you use the switch independently of the relay?

violet dagger
#

thats typical for a lot of zigbee relays

delicate lodge
#

Are IKEA Devices good?

#

It appears they have a lot of Zigbee products... will they work with HA?

near echo
#

a zigbee device should work proper zigbee network. IKEA devices are supported by ZHA (integral to HA) and Zigbee2MQTT

delicate lodge
#

😦

#

Will it work with Deconz?

sturdy spindle
#

that is how i run it

delicate lodge
#

your IKEA stuff you mean, @sturdy spindle ?

#

For whatever reason, I wasn't able to get a stable connection to my Zigbee light switches via ZHA

#

and only got one with DeconZ

sturdy spindle
delicate lodge
#

I use the Conbee II

near echo
#

yes they are supported. However, I have heard plenty of issues with Conbee sticks.

sturdy spindle
#

14 lights

#

ikea color temp, no rgb

#

8 of their hockey puck design switch's

#

and 1 on/off to control a home build roller blind

jolly narwhal
#

Conbee no

#

Texas instruments yes

sturdy spindle
#

the hockey puck swith's i took apart and moved the zigbee module to a pcb that allows me to have them mounted with LK Fuga wall switches

#

those are VERY much standard in danish homes

delicate lodge
#

Ikea is a Danish brand, right?

sturdy spindle
#

as for HA that does not matter thou

#

swedish

delicate lodge
#

Or is it swedish?

#

ahh

sturdy spindle
#

LK is danish thou

jolly narwhal
#

I have been a lot more happy with my IKEA bulbs than my Philips ones

#

I have 60 or so bulbs though, with 3 of them being hue

near echo
#

I am happy with the Aqara bulbs as well - I think they are the cheapest and nothing to complain in quality

jolly narwhal
#

Aqara sensors 4 lyfe

sturdy spindle
#

2 top switches are the ones i made

near echo
#

Not sure if I stated earlier, I have switched to TI's LPSTK 1352R as co-ordinators - the cheaper version of the famed CC1352P2 launchpads - the Co-ord firmwarme for CC1352P works just fine

sturdy spindle
#

they are just glued to the wall with double stick tape

#

that is how flat they are

#

the one with "temp" / "Lys" are the rebuild ikea hockey puck

jolly narwhal
#

So far if anything the zzh seems miniscule faster than the cc1352

#

Perhaps because it was so powerful

delicate lodge
#

link?

sturdy spindle
#

the other is the ikea on/off switch

sturdy spindle
delicate lodge
#

Is the Rasppee model better than the conbee ii?

#

the TI TPSTK 1352R

near echo
sturdy spindle
#

and i did so as there is a ready to run image file for the raspberry pi

near echo
delicate lodge
#

I was having trouble with my Conbee II

#

But I put it on an extension cable, and changed the channel, and switched it from ZHA to DECONZ

near echo
delicate lodge
#

I think part of the reason is I dont have any "routing" devices yet

#

just two wall switches

sturdy spindle
#

switches are a but funny

near echo
#

does your network show low LQI for the end devices?

sturdy spindle
#

they do not transmit states, but events

#

only battery level is sent as a state

delicate lodge
#

It was showing in ZHA... that the LQI was 255

sturdy spindle
#

that is what i found out

delicate lodge
#

and RSSI was around -44

near echo
sturdy spindle
#

so when i setup automations i listen for events and react to those

delicate lodge
#

I just used the Automation GUI to set up automations for my switches

#

The switches kept showing red LED flashes when pushing buttons

sturdy spindle
#

hehe... you can do that for factory things

delicate lodge
#

Implying the signal was not received by HA?

sturdy spindle
#

i made my own roller blinds

delicate lodge
#

I use the Philips Hue Dimmer Switches

sturdy spindle
#

it sends out events

#

the ikea ones at least

delicate lodge
#

Well it was working

#

but just intermittently

#

when using ZHA

#

should Installing Wall Plugs help?

#

Since they create a mesh?

sturdy spindle
#

anyways... have to go

#

dont know... i have my raspberry pi in the same utility closet where the district heating and fuse box is installed

#

and the ikea stuff is 5-6 meters away at one end of the flat

#

and i plan to install about the same amount at the other end

#

so i will double the amount of everything

#

but it has worked fine from the first light installed

#

so i dont think the amount will matter

#

and it should work that way as you would not want to rely on one unit to retransmit signals

#

that could break the whole setup

delicate lodge
#

I have two wall switches, but they are battery powered

sturdy spindle
#

oh, i thought you where thinking of adding some of those units that can re transmit the signals

#

anyways my rented appartment is also somewhat special

#

the internal walls are plasterboard

#

so they dont eat much signal

#

and its 87 square meters so not a whole lot

#

i could imagine that where would be cases where internal wall would eat or block the signal

forest cobalt
#

So, if your wall switches are battery powered, they won't act asa repeaters. Yes, wall plugs would help.

delicate lodge
#

Does mounting my Zigbee Switches to a metal surface cause a problem?

forest cobalt
#

It could, yes.

delicate lodge
#

The Philips Hue wall plates have a magnet...

And I have a space on my wall that had a drywall patch applied that was made of a metal mesh... so the switch mounts to that non-invasively

forest cobalt
#

But, generally speaking, if they are mounted on metal, the signal going through the metal will be dampened (depending on the width and type of metal), but the signal going forward should be fine.

#

Oh, those should be fine.

delicate lodge
#

The other switch, I have mounted to the corner of a wall, where the corners have that piece of metal for squaring off drywall corners

forest cobalt
#

You might see a bit of signal degradation there, but not enough to matter.

delicate lodge
#

so someone else mentioned that in ZHA, an LQI of 255 could mean anything

#

But according to other people, LQI of 255 is perfect?

forest cobalt
#

LQI is a REALLY hard number to qualify. It's calculated in multiple places and with multiple inputs and can be affected by just about anything. Seriously, anything. So, today you have a LQI of 255, but a subtle shift of a device (like moving a motion sensor 10' from it's previous position) can cause a complete recalculation of it. Yes, 255 is considered perfect... but it's perfect in THIS moment. If you check it again in an hour or two, it might drop to 50, yet the device is performing perfectly.

#

That's why generally we suggest to ignore LQI unless you have some sort of a sniffer that is showing you other info like RSSI between the coordinator, repeater, device, other devices and an energy scan.

#

Case in point, I have a sensor that is sitting 5 feet (and in line of sight) of my coordinator. However, it decided it wanted to connect to a repeater that is through a wall and 10 feet away from it. It currently has a LQI of 132. However, that will change in the next hour or so if I check it again. But... That device works perfectly fine.

delicate lodge
#

So in your opinion... is the Conbee II stick a bad choice?

jolly narwhal
#

I would say cc2652 > cc1352 > newer sil chips > conbee ii > husbz > cc2531

#

Tasmota not even on the list

gentle flint
#

The question is: is TI even developing the zigbee stack any longer? When was the last release or bug fixes release?

sour shadow
#

A month or two back

#

ISTR it gets quarterly releases

delicate lodge
#

where do you get the CC2652?

spice kelp
#

is there a good way to troubleshoot devices being marked as unavailable when using ZHA?

jolly narwhal
spark lion
#

I'm planning on replacing every switch on my house with smart switches, does anyone have a good recomendation on an european zigbee touch wall switch that also serve as routers? I love the Sonoff TX series but they're wifi, and every zigbee touch switch I find doesn't act as a router (according to reviews on aliexpress) or don't have enough reviews to make me feel safe enough to buy dozens of them. As a last resort, I'll just buy the sonoff tx switches and connect them to their own wifi router so it doesn't clog up my main one and spread one or two zigbee routers through the home.

forest cobalt
spark lion
#

Zigbee is also going to cause interference as it also runs on 2.4Ghz right? So regarding interference I guess either one's the same.

forest cobalt
#

Ish, yeah. It really depends on how your WiFi is setup and how you setup your Zigbee mesh.

spark lion
# forest cobalt I'd check blakadder's site (https://zigbee.blakadder.com/) for some good recomme...

Yup I've been checking that (amazing) website, for some reason I just don't feel safe spending hundreds of € on switches that may not work properly (ofc I can always buy one and try before ordering more) or be descontinued in the future, because then if I needed to replace some switch that breaks down and the brand doesn't produce them anymore, I'd end up with different switches around my home.

Also, in conclusion, any neutral line zigbee switch will act as a router on zigbee2mqtt right?

forest cobalt
#

Correct. The basic rule with Zigbee is that mains powered devices (most bulbs, switches, plugs, etc) are router devices in the mesh. Also, blakadder's site is pretty much the de-facto standard on "what works".

sour shadow
#

Well, except that it's outdated for Zigbee2MQTT 😄

#

Also, some switches (looking at you Xiaomi) with neutral don't act as routers

spark lion
#

Yeah, I was looking at tuya switches and reviews on aliexpress also said that they don't act as routers :/

sour shadow
#

Tuya's Zigbee devices are even less standards compliant than Xiaomi's ones

spark lion
#

And I searched this channel before asking for recommendation and someone said that they use their own kind of protocol on top of zigbee

sour shadow
#

Most switches/dimmers that have a neutral will route, but it's always worth double checking before buying

spark lion
#

Guess I'll continue my search for a while, if nothing pops up I'll just stick with sonoff tx and make sure I configure my wifi properly.

#

Thanks to both of you for your input!

#

Also, if anyone reading through this has a touch switch that acts as a router and is EU compatible, please @ me with the model, I'll be grateful.

gentle flint
#

Ah, so SimpleLink is the new name for zstack?

forest cobalt
primal herald
#

Hi all, I've just recently started working on my zigbee network and I have 2 issues that I cannot find a solution.

  1. My house has 2 floors where the Nortek USB hub sits at the ground floor and all of my zigbee devices (temp sensors) on the top floor could not be connected through the dongle. Although I'm currently working to place some Sonoff Mini's Zigbee on my stairway to act as a hub, I would like to know if there's a way to utilize the Sonoff Zigbee Bridge in the top floor along with the Nortek USB in the ground floor?

  2. I have a Sonoff Zigbee Wireless Switch and a Aqara Zigbee Wireless Switch connected to the hub but they only recognize the power entity and I couldn't do much with it.

forest cobalt
#

#2: Are you using ZHA, Z2M or something else?

primal herald
#

Using ZHA

forest cobalt
#

IIRC, both of those switches are only able to be interacted with by using zha_events in automations. But, I'm not 100% certain on that.

#

They might show up as devices in the automations UI, but I don't have ZHA to test that out.

primal herald
#

Thank you for your suggestions

mighty river
#

Hello all, I have 39 devices integrated with Zigbee2MQTT and works like a charm. I also have InfluxDB setup with Graphana and am just starting with that to get better graphs. But my question, I still have my living room with a Hue integration and want to move those lights and automations to node red. Same as the rest of the house. What would you advise, take away the Philips Hub and move those lights to Zigbee2MQTT?

#

Does the hue bridge have any advantages?

jolly narwhal
#

Two meshes make no sense

forest cobalt
jolly narwhal
#

In terms of performance, coverage and interference it is a poor idea

mighty river
#

My wife is a bit old fashioned. She still uses the old apps. Vacuum, weather, hue, etc. Tomorrow I am gonna setup a better UI dashboarding and HAdashboard and cast to Nest hub. To get her over to the HA app. Then I will get rid op the HUE bridge. Already noticed problems with Node-red to get the same flows as the rest of the house working

#

Hope it can manage 50+ devices 😀

mighty river
jolly narwhal
#

We just don't use buttons or apps @mighty river

#

Stuff just happens

dry fossil
#

Automations beat UI's every time.

mighty river
#

True

#

But a good UI also gives information.

jolly narwhal
#

Any info I need is delivered to my telegram whenever it happens, is about to happen or has happened a while back

sour shadow
#

In 5 minutes you're going to wish you hadn't done that

jolly narwhal
#

If only HA could tell me not to restart the 16 wrong servers with one command

sour shadow
#

Only 16... that's pretty good

jolly narwhal
#

Well, it was the entire customer environment

sour shadow
#

That's like the maintenance folks that cut the power to the wrong computer hall...

jolly narwhal
#

Isn't that why we have two computer halls?

sour shadow
#

Sure, but when you've powered down hall A in preparation for the tests, and then hall B suddenly loses power...

forest cobalt
simple sentinel
#

horrible repeaters vs zero repeaters, though

jolly narwhal
#

I mostly have bulbs as repeaters, I have two ZigBee plugs

#

🤣

simple sentinel
#

yeah, not necessarily signing on to the horrible repeaters theory, but either way bulbs are what us common folk would flock to

jolly narwhal
simple sentinel
#

Or "folk flest", since we're gearing up for Norwegian election season 😛

jolly narwhal
#

Hvermannsen you say

simple sentinel
#

mannen i gata, if you will

jolly narwhal
#

Nasjonen dear sir

simple sentinel
#

smartpærer i de tusen hjem, to put it in poetic terms

jolly narwhal
frail shell
#

hello people , i'm checking for some new bulbs , decent quality , dimmable , zigbee - which one would you get?

sour shadow
#

Hue are the often recommended Gold standard

frail shell
#

i now have a lot of Wifi bulbs from Phiips, but then i check the Hue

spice kelp
#

i'm seeing these messages on startup, but the entities are unavailable and the device in the viz map is showing offline:

2021-05-24 15:46:15 INFO (MainThread) [zigpy_znp.zigbee.application] TC device join: ZDO.TCDevInd.Callback(SrcNwk=0xAA73, SrcIEEE=00:22:a3:00:00:27:3a:0f, ParentNwk=0x9355)
2021-05-24 15:46:15 INFO (MainThread) [zigpy_znp.zigbee.application] TC device join: ZDO.TCDevInd.Callback(SrcNwk=0xAA73, SrcIEEE=00:22:a3:00:00:27:3a:0f, ParentNwk=0x9355)
2021-05-24 15:46:17 INFO (MainThread) [zigpy.application] Device 0xaa73 (00:22:a3:00:00:27:3a:0f) joined the network
#

what could be going wrong here?

sour shadow
austere patio
#

These messages are sent when a device joins the network

spice kelp
#

well, it was offline when i restarted HA

austere patio
#

And you power cycled the device?

frail shell
#

i'm going to use zigbee 2 mqtt

spice kelp
#

nope, it's hardwired. one of the famous hampton bay fan controllers

sour shadow
austere patio
frail shell
#

@sour shadow yes problem with some of those bulbs from ali is that i don't see a brand

sour shadow
#

Then... you get to try your luck and add support yourself if necessary

#

It's well documented

spice kelp
frail shell
#

yes! @sour shadow may i ask , do you have zigbee bulbs? i'm thinking Wifi vs Zigbee Bulbs?

obsidian sandalBOT
#

@frail shell Generally, don't tag people to ask for help - it comes across as bad manners, you’re demanding somebody answers you. It’s different if you’re thanking somebody, obviously. If you do tag somebody keep it polite and respectful. Remember that everybody is a volunteer, and nobody has to help you, and people may block you.

Similarly, please don’t DM (direct message) people asking for help. It also comes across as demanding, and means that others can’t learn from what you do.

Finally, please keep tagging people in replies to a minimum. That too can become annoying very quickly and should be used only when it's necessary (such as if it's been a long time, or there's multiple conversations going on). When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

Command '~tagging' was invoked by: Tinkerer
austere patio
sour shadow
#

I'm perfectly capable of seeing your posts without the tagging

#

Zigbee > WiFi IMO

frail shell
#

i just test a few zigbee bulbs and compare them with the wifi version i have here

spice kelp
#

and then i wait for activity? or you need that on startup?

austere patio
#

The logging config won't take effect until you restart HA

#

But if ZHA is marking it offline then it's seemingly not responding to a checkin during or around startup

spice kelp
#

i set them using the logging service

#

will grab a fresh restart 👍

frail shell
obsidian sandalBOT
#

@frail shell When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

Command '~reply' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
frail shell
#

pff lol

sour shadow
frail shell
#

thank you Tinkerer for your opinion 😄 , then i should write it like this

spice kelp
#

can i assume this is the device not responding?

2021-05-24 16:01:57 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy_znp.api] Sending request: AF.DataRequestSrcRtg.Req(DstAddr=0xAA73, DstEndpoint=1, SrcEndpoint=1, ClusterId=0, TSN=14, Options=<TransmitOptions.ACK_REQUEST: 16>, Radius=30, SourceRoute=[0x9355], Data=b'\x00\x0E\x00\x04\x00')
2021-05-24 16:01:57 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy_znp.api] Received command: AF.DataRequestSrcRtg.Rsp(Status=<Status.SUCCESS: 0>)
2021-05-24 16:02:00 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy_znp.api] Received command: AF.DataConfirm.Callback(Status=<Status.APS_NO_ACK: 183>, Endpoint=1, TSN=14)
2021-05-24 16:02:00 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy_znp.zigbee.application] Request failed (Unsuccessful request status code: <Status.APS_NO_ACK: 183>), retry attempt 5 of 5
austere patio
#

Yeah, 0xAA73 joined the network and is not responding to any requests

spice kelp
#

this thing was working perfectly for the last month and now it keeps going offline. no changes in hardware or placement 😕

austere patio
#

Any way you can power cycle it?

spice kelp
#

yeah, breaker panel in the basement 😆

#

might that show something interesting in debug?

#

no mention of that address after power cycle

#

the last time it did this it was down for 2.5 days, but then randomly came back on its own overnight

#

if you do have any other suggestions, please do tag me as i'm stepping away for a bit

austere patio
spice kelp
#

yeah i don't trust it. might go nuclear and factory reset it again

brazen robin
#

Just received no-name Chinese 4-button Zigbee scene switch. Paired with ZHA with no problems. In Node-RED, using zha_events watching for the device_ieee, I can only see 2 of the 4 buttons fire a debug node. Push/hold and release fire on these 2 buttons but no double-click (documentation says supported). Not seeing anything for the other non-working buttons when using an events: all node. Tried reinterviewing device.
The other two buttons appear to work physically; each button has an LED that responds to press. One of the buttons that I am not seeing is used for pairing so I’m assuming the buttons work.
Found similar device on zigbee.blakadder.com but in the 1-, 2-, & 3-button forms which work with ZHA. Added logging to configuration.yaml for ZHA. I have the log but I don’t know what I’m looking at or what to do next. It’s almost as if the 4-button switch is acting as a 2-button switch. It looks like the receiver is getting the button presses but not sure what to do with it…?

dry fossil
#

Forget NR. What do you see in HA's events when you use those buttons/clicks?

brazen robin
split vault
#

my conbee ii comes in today. Excited to start migrating to it from my Hue bridge

dry fossil
#

I don't use ZHA but this looks suspect:

No handler for cluster command 1

brazen robin
#

It does say that for each of them though. The ZCL Request array is the same that I see in NR at payload.event.args
Just noticed the BUS Handling is different for buttons that work and don't work. They have an entity_id instead of a deivce_ieee
And I have a switch.tz3000_xabckq1v_ts004f_11766bfe_on_off that responds to the button presses but only as an on/off. (I can press 1, turns on; 2 turns off; but press 2 again, no change)

austere patio
#

Is this more Tuya stuff? What does the Zigbee device signature look like?

brazen robin
#

Looks like it recommends Tuya/SmartHome apps

#

Yup. Scanned QR codes and they go to tuya.com

austere patio
#

Yep, that's Tuya

verbal shale
#

To update Zigbee2mqtt EDGEi s necessary to unistall the adon and reinstalled? or it will update after restart the addon?

austere patio
#

Make sure to include a few logs of you clicking buttons and such

brazen robin
#

So I'm looking through there and I see model TS0044 which seems very similiar and people seem to have same issue. Also looks like there have been updates to fix it. But mine reports as a TS004F.

#

Would the logfile I pasted work or are they looking for info from a different log somewhere?

austere patio
#

Model and manufacturer are only sort of correlated with Tuya functionality

#

There are different classes of devices that share the same model name. It's a mess

near echo
split vault
#

I'm learning, it looks like I can hack it to work with perhaps a zha_event?

#

when i subscribe to zha_event, in the dev tools, and press the button it prints out events

# 
  description: ''
  trigger:
  - platform: event
    event_type: zha_event
    event_data:
      command: 'off'
  condition: []
  action:
  - type: turn_off
    device_id: 7844e43b44c28bfc20fd3bdd61ff3d42
    entity_id: switch.office_desk_lamp
    domain: switch
  mode: single```
#

this was my solution

#

you can trigger on event based on part of the event data

brazen robin
split vault
#

Question.. is enable_quirks enabled by default with ZHA?

austere patio
split vault
#

I found a quirks file for my remote on github.

#

would this maybe not have made it's way into a release of home assistant yet?

#

back in Dec 2019

#

I mean I can hack it to work with event triggers but it would be nice if I didn't have to

gentle flint
brazen robin
#

Adminiuga: Yeah. I thought that was kind of weird. It could also be because this device doesn't identify itself as other similar devices. Mine is a TS004F but others seem to be TS0044. The switch entity definitely messes with things.

austere patio
obsidian sandalBOT
austere patio
#

Looks like that's the quirk that you're using

split vault
#

well it's not correct I don't think

#

There's a "Turn on" button pressed option

#

and if I setup an automation for that, it never triggers

austere patio
#

Have you tried furiously clicking buttons on the remote while clicking the "reconfigure" button once in ZHA?

split vault
#

no, 🙂 That sounds crazy, but I'll try it

austere patio
#

(to keep the remote awake)

#

If that doesn't work, re-join it to the network and upload the joining log to https://paste.ubuntu.com/. Might give some insight as to why the remote isn't fully functional.

split vault
#

the remote works

#

like I press the button the an event comes through the system

#

but it's just not wired up correctly to the events showing up when you create an automation

austere patio
split vault
#

yeah, basically

austere patio
#

Which ones?

split vault
#

I can go into the event developer tool and press the button and see the on and off events firing

# 
        "device_ieee": "cc:cc:cc:ff:fe:a9:d1:5d",
        "unique_id": "cc:cc:cc:ff:fe:a9:d1:5d:1:0x0006",
        "device_id": "e6a8d173d7edf4f0d54efb8b258f637c",
        "endpoint_id": 1,
        "cluster_id": 6,
        "command": "on",
        "args": []
    }```