zigbee-archived

[forest cobalt]

What is the issue you're facing?

[tropic depot]

@lean coral reset the bulbs... if they won't pair it is generally because they are either 1) not in pairing mode or 2) too far away from the coordinator or another router. IKEA devices tend to join very reliably so I would assume the bulbs just need to be reset

nvm

I am about ready to completely blacklist this friggin sonoff bridge

PSA folks.... don't ust this

it is junk

[violet dagger]

too late 🤣

[tropic depot]

the amount of issues w/ that and the new stick they just released.... :S

the new stick has crazy RF interference issues

makes the conbee look like gold

lol

[violet dagger]

i tried not having the serial bridge to ZHA info in the setup document then people started bitching that it "can work with ZHA"

[tropic depot]

right but then we have this...

[violet dagger]

well i knew it would turn out this way from the start

made quite a few ESP8266/CC2530 coordinators before that

[tropic depot]

we really should say: if you use a 2531 or a sonoff cordinator don't bother asking for support

you are on your own

[silk lodge]

So i have a conbee 2, plugged into a raspberry pi 4.
Zigbee2mqtt is running in docker with the following config:

[obsidian sandal]

@silk lodge posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RsQc48Gx7v/

[violet dagger]

also too late, z2m made the CC253x the go to choice

[tropic depot]

I meant for ZHA

if they want to support it fine... 😄

[violet dagger]

people buy whats popular then cry its not working with ZHA because Z2M was too hard to set up

are you new here 😉

[tropic depot]

😄

[violet dagger]

the amount of people having conbee2 issues then trying to replace it with CC2531 stick is astounding

[tropic depot]

I am going to make the pairing screen flash bright red.... "you are using a device that isn't recommended and any troubles you experience are yours and yours alone"

😄

[violet dagger]

great idea

[tropic depot]

will never get merged

[violet dagger]

add in "YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN NOW CHEAPSKATE"

[tropic depot]

anyone else get the announcement yesterday? Zigbee alliance is no more

chip was rebranded to "matter"

Zigbee alliance -> the connectivity standards alliance

[violet dagger]

yep, early rebranding is a weird move

[tropic depot]

early... chip was in dev for a couple yrs now

I feel like all they have done is marketing like stuff

[violet dagger]

that's why its early

they marketed CHOIP for a year and now... poof

[silk lodge]

Error: Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)

Docker Compose Config: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RsQc48Gx7v/
Z2Mqtt Config: https://paste.horlboge.de/ihigusuman.shell
Conbee2 PLugged into a RPI 4

[violet dagger]

replug your adapter

[silk lodge]

already tried that, didnt work :/

[tropic depot]

this is also great

[violet dagger]

try try try again

[silk lodge]

lol

[tropic depot]

Q: How do Zigbee and Matter compare?

A: Although Matter is led by the Connectivity Standards Alliance, it is not a replacement for Zigbee. The alliance will continue developing the Zigbee protocol. Matter application objects and interactions are heavily inspired by the Zigbee Cluster Library. As far as the differences, Matter requires IP-bearing networking protocols, while Zigbee specifies its own networking protocol.

[silk lodge]

*already tried that multiple times, didnt work :/

[violet dagger]

meh, zigbee is a huge mess specially now with tuya but they're the only decent low powered option

[violet dagger]

restart rpi

[tropic depot]

tuya indeed made a HUGE mess

[forest cobalt]

Which USB port is the conbee2 plugged into?

[silk lodge]

top right next to the ethernet cable

[tropic depot]

prefer usb2 preferably on an extension cable

[silk lodge]

ill try restarting the pi first

[forest cobalt]

Move it to a usb2 port.

[tropic depot]

it's on their site

in the manual

...

[violet dagger]

the what?

[silk lodge]

oh, ok

[tropic depot]

@silk lodge https://phoscon.de/en/conbee2/install

[violet dagger]

i have one tuya sensor that half reports on standard clusters and half on their own

[tropic depot]

see "Connection" and pay attention to the note in the box

[forest cobalt]

This is why I never buy Tuya devices.

[tropic depot]

once they are quirked / have herdsman converters I hear they work flawlessly

just puts a burden on maintainers

[violet dagger]

i have a love-hate relationship after spending a lot of time describing their protocol and adapting it for Tasmota

[tropic depot]

the only thing I have seen cause issues are the repeaters

[violet dagger]

true, they work but implementing them requires work

[tropic depot]

they seem to blackhole traffic from certain non tuys devices

@violet dagger did I read you tried ZHA earlier this year somewhere above?

[silk lodge]

the conbee is now plugged into a USB2 port into a small usb hub, still same error

[violet dagger]

i have ZHA running on my developer HA instance

its just not my production gateway

[tropic depot]

feel free to throw any suggestions you have my way

[violet dagger]

mostly UI related which is not your fault 😉

[tropic depot]

I am the one who builds that

lol

😄

so....

maybe it is

[violet dagger]

so you're responsible for the material theme of HA?

which is a giant waste of space on a desktop screen

[tropic depot]

no but I wrote all of the GUI components for ZHA itself

[violet dagger]

those GUI components still need to obey HA design language and therein lies the issue

[tropic depot]

I am in the middle of fixing the cluster interactions now

so that all commands w/ have fully typed forms

with pickers etc

[violet dagger]

the cluster menu is very useful

i just feel too constrained when using ZHA

[tropic depot]

just needs to be corrected. Puddly is doing some awesome enhancements to Zigpy that will provide full command schemas

and updates us to ZCL 7

[silk lodge]

https://ibb.co/XZk0YYq

[tropic depot]

would love to have an outline of what the constraints are

if there are things that can be done to make it better we'll try

[violet dagger]

being dependent on HA, entity naming scheme, ability to change something in code independently, use of IEEE identifiers

[tropic depot]

ability to change something in code independently - assume this is like times for sensor resets and things like that per device? or do you mean something else?

use of IEEE identifiers - can you expand on what you mean?

[violet dagger]

any code intervention will be gone with a ha update

[tropic depot]

ah, well we fixed that for quirks at least

you can override any device handler in a folder you specify in the config and they are loaded at startup and they override the built in ones

trying to make it easier to develop for / easier to contribute and customize

also just set up a framework for custom options at the integration level and trying to plan out one at the device level

just takes time... and there isn't a whole lot of it 😄

[violet dagger]

that's great, only that i already have that available and not tied to HA 😉

[lean coral]

thanks for the reply, I have read more on the issues with sonoff bridges but I thought it was mostly around poor wifi issues? I only a few devices on the bridge and they seem to work fine and the first Tradfri globe paired without issue. The other 2 I have reset to pairing mode so many times it is not funny, not luck

[violet dagger]

the biggest oxymoron with ZHA is that its documentation isn't catering to the target demographic: supervised users

[silk lodge]

https://ibb.co/FD9cq0t
https://ibb.co/F73D7JC

commands got ran inside the container, so the conbee seems to be passed through with ttyACM0.

[lean coral]

so, if I have good wireless strength (unifi says 90% wifi "experience") and I haven't overloaded the bridge with devices and I try pairing with the device next to the bridge.... what is going on?

[tropic depot]

I completely agree

[silk lodge]

I just found https://github.com/danielwelch/hassio-zigbee2mqtt/issues/513 saying to add adapter: deconz to the config, now i get this error: https://ibb.co/QYz5xtR

wrong screenshot oops

https://ibb.co/br7LNk8

here

undefined errors are the best

[violet dagger]

https://zigbeealliance.org/zigbee_products/lidl-home-smarter-water-computer/ lookie what's on the way

[neat anvil]

Sorry for messaging and running yesterday. Something came up. okay, so as I said, I had ordered a Sonoff Zigbee hum (Turns out it wont' arrive) and a sonoff Zigbee dongle. But some people had said they dont' like the dongle as it has some flaws. I do have some Sonoff zigbee sensors on the way in, so I am open to suggestions on how to connect it to my HA machine. Looking for something cost effective. I have seem some dongles that are like $55+, that seems pricey to me. The only thing I should note is that my HA computer will be about 30' away from a lot of the sensors. And need to travel though a floor (And a couple walls)

[sour shadow]

Well, you need a decent coordinator, not cheap junk

You'll also need routers to extend that signal

[austere patio]

Unless you surround your coordinator with mains-powered routers that don't perform as poorly as the CC2531, your network just will not function. The CC2531 alone isn't strong enough to send (or receive) signals 30' through floors and a couple of walls.

[neat anvil]

@sour shadow I am afraid I an not fimmilar with the term coordinator. At least in relation to Zigbee. Is the dongle/hub the cordinator?

[sour shadow]

It's explained in one of the pinned messages, but yes, it's the "stick"

The coordinator is the brains of the mesh. There can be only one.

There are a number of routers that extend the mesh. Those are mains/USB powered devices, though not every one of those is a router.

Everything else is an end device

[neat anvil]

Okay, so if that stick is garbge, how is the Sonoff Zigbee hub that connects to Wifi? That I can place within 10 feet of most of my devices, and maybe 20' from all of them on the same floor. or is there a better reccomendation?

[sour shadow]

That's warm garbage

Worst choice: CC2530/31
Second worst choice: Sonoff Zigbee Hub

[neat anvil]

Wonderful... So, what is a good choice?

[obsidian sandal]

See the pinned messages

Command '.pinned' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[neat anvil]

So seems to tell me where to buy stuff, and how Zibee works, but not actually provide reccomendatiions.. Or is your suggestion on where to purchase them a reccomendation?

[sour shadow]

CC2652

Also mentioned in the which integration list

[neat anvil]

Having difficulty finding the "Which integraion list"

[obsidian sandal]

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[sour shadow]

That one in the pins

[neat anvil]

I didn't realize this was the intigration list.

Ah yes, I was origionally thinking using Zigbee2MQTT as I have a raspberry pi 4 lying around.. But it seemed a bit overkill to use the PI on that. Plus it seems getting those CC2652 in canada are not as easy as one would like.

[sour shadow]

Tube's sticks/boards

[uneven wave]

Conbee II is running very well

[sour shadow]

You got lucky

[mellow geode]

Oh, didn't know this was already released: https://www.tubeszb.com/product/cc2652_poe_coordinator/15

[sour shadow]

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

[forest cobalt]

NO! THOSE ARE MINE! THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE THERE!!! 😉 (LMAO)

[sour shadow]

If it wasn't for the thought of the pain I'd be going through re-pairing everything, I'd buy one now

[mighty river]

not cheap though

[forest cobalt]

I don't think you have to re-pair though, would you? Isn't there a method to copy the NVRAM over from CC2652 boards to another one?

@mighty river True... but so worth it (imho). I have a PoE adapter on mine right now, but to have it in a single box? Sign me up!

[stark remnant]

Hi guys, almost all of my hardware has arrived now and I'm in the process of flashing the CC2652R. I'm following guides and decided to use Windows as guide tells me this is more user friendly. Windows doesn't recognise device (USB Serial showing in other devices, no driver found), follow guide for installing official driver, links to website which is mostly in Chinese for CH340. Feeling like I'm going down a rabbit hole for something that sounds simple... less confident about flashing this properly now - any advice?

[austere patio]

Yep, that's the official CH340 driver installer

[forest cobalt]

English instructions for the CH340 drivers for the uart can be found here: https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/how-to-install-ch340-drivers/all

Actually a pretty good guide.

[stark remnant]

Okay cool, I'll check it out thanks

[austere patio]

I wouldn't consider the Windows option more user friendly, tbh. You need drivers and Python.

All common Linux distributions have a kernel that supports the CH340 and most have Python pre-installed

Same with macOS

[stark remnant]

I set Plex up on an Ubuntu container via Proxmox, think I could do it from that?

[austere patio]

Probably, but I think that may be the hypervisor with some older version that doesn't like the CH340

If you're already doing it with Windows I'd just get it over with, that at least 100% works, even if you do have to install some stuff

[stark remnant]

hmm fair enough. The driver did work and I think I do have python on here so I might be alright

[cloud wind]

So I have a Nortek stick, the Husbz-1 or something, is it worthwhile upgrading from that if I am not finding issues or dropouts?

[sour shadow]

That's a relatively old chipset inside, upgrading wouldn't be a bad idea IMO

[austere patio]

You can tweak some settings in it to make it send more concurrent requests (i.e. make it turn on a whole room of lights faster) but if you have no issues then you probably won't see any benefits

[cloud wind]

Oh okay, just curious. I am about to wire up my new house with Cat6 to each room along with some Cameras to a POE switch. I have been seeing comments about a POE Zigbee setup which I am guessing is using a M2Q backend, any recommendations on what to get?

[austere patio]

Tube I think is the only one that makes Ethernet coordinators. They run with both Z2M and ZHA.

If you're using ZHA you can migrate the network to the new hardware without having to re-join any devices (though you do have to run a few commands to do it), so it'd be a pretty simple swap

[cloud wind]

Good to know, may switch to that eventually after the upgrade. My main focus is finding something for Smoke/Co2 that can run independently from Zigbee but as a bonus features for alerts in HA

[molten linden]

opps forgot to set up the Stock Tracking... one slipped out to some lucky person. building up a little stock before full release 🤣

[mellow geode]

Ah, already wondered why you didn't send another newsletter (yet) 😄

[molten linden]

that's the plan and for realtime inventory announcements I'm going to tweet with https://twitter.com/tubeszb

[mellow geode]

Ohh, nice!

[prisma shell]

hey now

mine works great except for my ikea on/off remote

[stark remnant]

is there a way to check if my CC2652R is connected correctly? I've passed the HA VM the USB device in Proxmox, installed Mosquitto broker and Zigbee2mqtt and configured them as per their docs. I've updated the port in the Z2m config to what I think the correct USB dev path is, set permit_join true and tried to connect via the dashboard with no luck.

no errors in logs

for context, I've got the CC2652R on a USB extension and a Ikea Tradfri bulb on nearby

[austere patio]

Do you get any logging output at all?

[stark remnant]

I have a warning on Mosquitto broker
WARNING: [WARN] Not found homeassistant on local database

no logging from z2m beyond the startup stuff

one guide suggested unplugging and plugging the device back in should show in the system logs for Supervisor (and subsequently confirm the right USB device name), but I haven't had any logs from supervisor for over an hour

[stark remnant]

Had an issue with MQTT to do with uninstalling and reinstalling without removing the integration, doing so and reinstalling seems to have fixed it 👍

[lean coral]

So with my, “hot garbage” tazmotized sonoff bridge on a solid wifi connection, should there be any issues adding a second tradfri globe? First one paired fine. I only have 8 end devices. Using ZHA.

[austere patio]

No, you're nowhere near the device limit

[lean coral]

Oh, and does tube ship to Australia?

[austere patio]

You can @ him and ask, he should be the only tube

[lean coral]

Thanks puddly, I figured that, but I’m confused as to why one globe pairs and 2 others don’t even show in discover.

[austere patio]

Try refreshing the discover page

Then reset them

Joins are only permitted for 60s from the time you load the page, even if the spinner is still going

[lean coral]

Ok thanks. I have reset them many times, unpaired working one, restarted everything. Attempted pairing right next to bridge etc. Good info on the permitted time, many thanks

@molten linden do you ship your magical devices to Australia by any chance?

[austere patio]

Also, it'd be better to pair them where you want then to end up sitting. That way they won't have to reroute.

[molten linden]

I’ve sent a few down that way.. some have arrived others still in transit.

Looking at prob up to 4 weeks for delivery. At the standard intl’l flat rate. If you want faster I can do UPS but it’s likely around $40. 🕘 or 💰

[lean coral]

Ok thanks. I paired the first bulb in situ upstairs without issue so figured range wasn’t an issue. Paired a few more devices ok, just not the globes

That is great news, thanks tube 🙂 Don’t mind if it takes a while, I’ll have it for years.

[lean coral]

@molten linden ordered 🙂 I'll teach this channel to laugh at my sonoff "hot garbage" zigbee co-ordinator 😆

@austere patio thanks for the replies. If I can't get it working shortly, I'll just wait for tubes co-ordinator to arrive.

[cloud wind]

@molten linden where you shipping from, I might be interested in ordering one

[molten linden]

Delaware, USA

dm where you are and I can see if I have any comparable delivery times.

[cloud wind]

I am in Oregon so stateside so it should be easy

[molten linden]

oh yea, no sweat, US is via Priority Mail so when they have their act together 2-3 days.

[cloud wind]

Okay, when my Ubiquiti equipment and spool of Cat6 get delivered, I will order one through your website

[civic narwhal]

how can I add my library to zigpy ?

Yeah, but how can i text it?

I want to create a library like zigpy -deconz or zigpy-zigate to my device

So i based no my code in zigpy-zigate, but right now i dont now how can i text it...

Yeah!!!!

Yes, I understand that, and I already have the code made that is based on zigpy, but what I don't know is how to test it or implement it

[lean coral]

If you are controlling both through HA then, yes, the dimmer can be configured to dim the brightness on the bulb. I assume you would need an automation to do so, there may even be a blueprint you could use to assist with the mapping of functions.

[austere patio]

Which radio module are you working on?

You just add it to the ZHA imports (https://github.com/home-assistant/core/blob/e5ef171077a17f2e940200cfc113688594c77f00/homeassistant/components/zha/core/const.py#L10-L14) and expose your library's ControllerApplication as a new radio type (https://github.com/home-assistant/core/blob/e5ef171077a17f2e940200cfc113688594c77f00/homeassistant/components/zha/core/const.py#L220-L246)

[lean coral]

ah I see, I thought pairing was only possible with one device/co-ordinator. Will have to let more experienced folks answer sorry.

[austere patio]

From what I understand, your remote is using touchlink commissioning to basically form its own network and get the bulb to join it. It's not a part of your original network anymore. You can directly bind clusters on devices to one another (e.g. a remote's OnOff output cluster to a bulb's input OnOff cluster) while both are still a part of your network but this is something a little different.

Not all devices support binding

1.2? Shouldn't make a difference

What integration are you using?

Let me try the exact sequence with some IKEA devices. I don't actually use binding myself.

[austere patio]

Try creating a ZHA group (/config/zha/groups), add both devices to it, and then under the "Group Binding" section of your remote bind the appropriate cluster

[final pivot]

Hi guys whats the brightest light bulb out there? for whites/orange not colour

[violet dagger]

orange is a colour

you need to look at the lm or lumens declaration on the bulb, bigger the number the more light it emits

[final pivot]

yeah but you know when people are asking for brighter green, hue are typically poor on colour but beat out others with whites/oranges

[violet dagger]

why is orange so important?

[final pivot]

it isn't I mean more 4000k-5000k really

slight orange 🙂

[violet dagger]

5000k has a light blueish tinge

i guess you mean warm-cool white

[final pivot]

yeah more my sort of thing, thinking a 9w for my room be too dim sometimes, seems the highest i see for smart is around 13w

[violet dagger]

below 2700k get the "orange"

find a 1500lm bulb then

[final pivot]

from recall I think you can get some wifi ones but then I do want it atleast lan control

[violet dagger]

wattage doesn't mean much in LED's because it depends which LED are used

[final pivot]

ok, is it all down to lumens then?

[violet dagger]

ikea's new bulbs have higher lumens

its not all, but the majority

diffuser domes also play a role on your perception of brightness

[final pivot]

yeah have an oyseter one annoying but going to keep it for the fan thats built in

so ikea £15 for 1000 lumens, will see if can beat it, need a trip to ikea anyway and zigbee would be better

started to look at wifi but bugger that zigbee all day thanks

Ok 1000 lumens ikea like you said looks to be brightest 🙂

[violet dagger]

1050lm is about standard for A60 CCT bulbs

[final pivot]

most other zigbee are 806

[solid inlet]

I added this in configuration.yaml, and the log is filled with info for two devices that No OTA is available. Note the conf if false Is this to be expected?

zha:
  zigpy_config:
    ota:
      ikea_provider: false                        # Auto update Tr..dfri devices
      #otau_directory: /path/to/your/ota/folder  # Utilize .ota files to update everythi

[final pivot]

@violet dagger cheers bought 2 1000lm ebay delivered £16 isntead of £30 new and the hour trip 😄

[thick plover]

truth. two rooms i have these in give the feeling of a hong kong opium den when they are dimmed. need to replace those fixtures...

[jolly narwhal]

[sour shadow]

I now have a couple of the Xiaomi magic cubes to play with. This is going to get silly fast 😄

[jolly narwhal]

I need to use mine for something soon

My daughter has one

I have two more

[sour shadow]

I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to do with them, but that's half the fun

The challenge is that some things like slide are hard to reliably trigger as if there's any spin you get a rotate_ instead

[violet dagger]

i use them to show off how cool smart homes are

[sour shadow]

And sometimes the flip actions get missed, but hey 😄

[violet dagger]

so far, flip to side x is the most useful thing

[sour shadow]

I got them partly to replace an aging Z-Wave multi-button remote, partly because they're funky

rotate looks good for music/lighting control - louder/brighter etc

[violet dagger]

yeah but it's delay-y

or in normal english, laggy

[sour shadow]

There is that, but I'll be mostly using it for big changes, not little ones

So, turning it left will mute audio, right to unmute

(for example)

[violet dagger]

i used on to control my rgbcct strip to cycle through colors, CT and brightness

[thick plover]

Hello? CEO of Based Department...

[jolly narwhal]

[forest cobalt]

I have a couple as well. My wife uses one in the bathroom that triggers on shake to start one of her random radio stations on the Sonos while she is getting ready for work.

I have shake == start, tap = play/pause, rotate = volume, and flip = next/previous. I decided to skip slide and fall because they are hard to trap on reliably.

[sour shadow]

Could't get tap to work yet

Maybe I just need to give it something firmer than a tap?

[forest cobalt]

This is how I'm currently do it (using pyscript): https://pastebin.com/8WhErJ08

Yeah, tap needs a firm, well, tap.

[sour shadow]

Oh, the doing is easy... some of the actions are harder

[forest cobalt]

Sometimes a double-tap.

[sour shadow]

If I give it a firmer tap I'll break it 😄

[forest cobalt]

TWSS 😉

I usually tap mine twice to get it to register (oh my gawd this is going to go downhill fast) lol

[sour shadow]

My problem with slide is that slide+spin == rotate

Nah, it's not responding to a tap at all

Or even a thump

I'm sure this will get out of hand anyway 😄

[forest cobalt]

Are you actually tapping the cube? Like picking it up and tapping it down?

That's what I have to do.

[sour shadow]

Oh, that, no I was tapping on the cube, not tapping with the cube

[forest cobalt]

As for slide, yeah, you have to be deliberate with it and keep the cube straight.

Tap with the cube, not on it 😄

[sour shadow]

Nope, makes no difference

Ah! It worked

[forest cobalt]

Yay!

Did you have to tap it twice?

[sour shadow]

Just once, but damn that's picky

[forest cobalt]

All of mine require a double tap usually. I don't get it. I think it might actually be a z2m issue versus the cube itself.

[sour shadow]

I did set mine to debounce at 0.1 seconds and debounce_ignore on action

That seems to have helped avoid things vanishing under None

[forest cobalt]

Maybe I'll try that.

[thick plover]

anyone paired shelley (i know they are wifi) relays with zigbee lights?

[forest cobalt]

Through automations, sure.

Binding is not possible (Wifi -> Zigbee).

[thick plover]

yeah... but surely a simple click of the button will turn the light on and off anyway?

[forest cobalt]

Yup.

[sour shadow]

Through an automation, yes

[thick plover]

ah

[sour shadow]

I do that for Z-Wave and Zigbee to WiFi, Zigbee, and Z-Wave

Bind is like Z-Wave's Association - it's a protocol specific thing

[thick plover]

so whats the redundancy if your system shits itself?

[sour shadow]

It doesn't cross the streams

Don't buy WiFi

[thick plover]

😄

[forest cobalt]

LOL

[jolly narwhal]

Your systems shit themselves?

[sour shadow]

Or, you know, have a robust system

[thick plover]

just MY system

[forest cobalt]

Honestly, the Shellys are nice and all, but I've only found a need for them in niche use cases.

[jolly narwhal]

Layer 8 issues aren't system issues

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, build a better system 😉

[thick plover]

so we are going to stay in our place for a few more years, the wife wants to do the floors, i suggested we upgrade the switches.... what would you get to pair with zigbee lights?

she likes having a switch...

[sour shadow]

Zigbee switches

[thick plover]

don't talk nonsense... i didn't think there was a thing?

[sour shadow]

Ideally not Tuya or Xiaomi ones so you can get ones that support bind

[obsidian sandal]

See the pinned messages

Command '.pinned' was invoked by: Tinkerer

:8ball: 8Ball prdiction:

Question: should he though?
Answer: No

Command '.8ball' was invoked by: atxbyea

[forest cobalt]

@thick plover Where in the world are you?

[jolly narwhal]

🇦🇺

[thick plover]

yeahhhhhhh

[jolly narwhal]

[thick plover]

we have really stringent electrical standards too

[jolly narwhal]

Borderline brown shirt levels from what I've heard

[forest cobalt]

Ahhhh... gotcha... Ok, then none of my suggestions will work 😄

I use the https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Enbrighten_43082.html dimmers and switches. They work really well with Z2M.

[thick plover]

its illegal to touch something without an electrical license

[forest cobalt]

But, I don't know if they are available outside of the US.

[jolly narwhal]

For anything permanent wired here it is too, we just don't give a damn

[sour shadow]

Well, 110V goes on proper voltages

[forest cobalt]

WTF?! That's lame. LOL

[thick plover]

240 here

similar to pommy land

or are you guys 115?

[jolly narwhal]

🔌

[sour shadow]

All sensible folks run 2xx volts

Even if the EU went for 220 while the rest of us are up at 240

[thick plover]

like clothes dryers in North America

[sour shadow]

Yeah, but they do that by messing about with phases, where if we did that we'd get even more fun voltages

[jolly narwhal]

400v

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, we're all 110 here. Because 'mericua... 🤮

[jolly narwhal]

I have three phase 220v in my garage

[forest cobalt]

And don't get me started on metric versus imperial... I swear... we are a country of idiots.

[thick plover]

we know

[forest cobalt]

Quit showing off atx 😉 lol

lol

[jolly narwhal]

My house is two years to early to have 400v in

Unfortunately

[thick plover]

at least america has good bbq....

[jolly narwhal]

Put it on the Barbie

[thick plover]

another shrimp

don't even know what a shrimp is

prawns tho....

[forest cobalt]

Eh, depends on where you are... North Carolina (my state), yes... but someplace like New York? 🤮

[thick plover]

i did a couple nights in texas on the way home from canada (the other half is canadian) and put on 10kg a day

[forest cobalt]

What's funny is there are no less than 10 BBQ restaurants within 15 minutes of me.

[thick plover]

worth it

[forest cobalt]

Ok, yeah, I'll give you that... but honestly, there's no reason to go to Texas unless you are crossing it to get to another state. lol

It really should just be it's own country.

[thick plover]

i almost did a stint in NC for work, was looking forward to it

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, NC is nice. We've been here for about 5 years.

[jolly narwhal]

Georgia barbecue was nice

I can recommend a good restaurant there

[thick plover]

lots of vodka?

[forest cobalt]

Stop that.

[jolly narwhal]

No, the state of Georgia

[thick plover]

ahhhh

😄

[jolly narwhal]

Not the country

[forest cobalt]

LMAO

[jolly narwhal]

[thick plover]

was trying for the opposite of what an american would say when the news reports a conflict in georgia

[thick plover]

yeah those won't fly here

[forest cobalt]

Damnit.

[thick plover]

https://www.ozsmartthings.com.au/products/zigbee-double-light-switch

theres these.... 60 bucks for a single

[forest cobalt]

Is that a lot?

[obsidian sandal]

:8ball: 8Ball prdiction:

Question: is that a lot?
Answer: Chances Aren't Good

Command '.8ball' was invoked by: atxbyea

[forest cobalt]

lol

[brittle maple]

hello - I am using the ZHA integration and have a few aqara smart plugs/routers and the nortek zigbee/zwave radio. When I look at the visualization some of the end node devices (battery aqara devices) do not have any lines/connections to a router or the main radio although they still appear to work. Is this a known issue with the visualization? Also, is there a way to force an end device to connect to a router instead of directly back to the main radio?

[molten linden]

enddevices without lines may not of been awake when the scan for the map ran - or more likely a router they are connected to did not have the last checking stored (I think that's how it works) if it's working you know it's connected.

to join a device to a specific router. go to the router device's device page in HA. and there will be a permit joins option there, which will only open joins from that router.

@brittle maple ^

[thick plover]

525 for the whole apartment but I feel I’m missing one or two

[silent lintel]

Anybody use the Aqara motion sensor w Z2M? i'm wondering what " Maximum Detection Angle:170° " means
Trying to figure out where to put it

[sour shadow]

170 degree view angle will be the horizontal axis

[silent lintel]

Ohhhh

[sour shadow]

That you're using it with Z2M is irrelevant to that though 😛

[silent lintel]

ha

Thanks, Tinkerer!

[brittle maple]

Thanks @molten linden - I see that option - is that the recommended way or should I let the mesh network figure itself out? Also, does the router need to be placed in pairing mode or just the end device when using this option?

[sour shadow]

Google found me https://www.reddit.com/r/Aqara/comments/ek8g9b/motion_detector_fov/ which may help you a bit more

[molten linden]

you need to permit joins of the router. then trigger the pairing on the end device.

you can pair directly but zigbee will be zigbee and re-align the mesh as it wants unless it's a non Zigbee 3.0 Aqara/Xaomi device they typically stick (if the router they connect to is friendly to their way of doing things).

[thick plover]

They are awesome for their size, I’m tweaking the positioning of mine at the moment. Currently have four covering my living area (open plan) although I have a feeling I could reduce by one or two there

[prisma shell]

no, because safety.

[thick plover]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/ML-ST-D200.html

Will something like this stuff with zigbee lights? I remember reading don’t put a dimmer on dimmable smart lights

[sour shadow]

It doesn't say it supports decoupled, so that'd mess with smart bulbs

[thick plover]

😞

They do make a switch only but currently not listed as supported on z2m

[civic narwhal]

someone knows how can i text my code (library(zigpy-xxxx)) before add to ZHA or I can text it when I will add it ?

[brittle maple]

Thanks again @molten linden - I tried to get an aqara device to pair to an aqara smart plug but it never found it so I had to just add the aqara remote the normal way and will see if it ends up becoming a child of the closest router as opposed to the radio. I specifically bought aqara smart plugs because I read that the battery aqara devices do not pair nicely with other zigbee routers.

[gentle flint]

Yes. That works by binding a zigbee remote to the zigbee light. Alternatively, by using HA automation or Blueprints

[austere patio]

Z2M merged the network formation refactor!!! https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman/pull/303

I haven't tested it but in theory this will allow for CC2531 migration without any external tools, along with getting rid of the "increment the pan_id by one" fix

[blazing dagger]

For z2m do I have to reflash devices>

[austere patio]

What do you mean?

[blazing dagger]

Like can I use z2m with my current zigbee stick thing

I still don't really understand what z2m is honestly lmao

[fleet lodge]

@brittle maple https://github.com/nurikk/z2m-frontend/issues/523

[austere patio]

Are you currently using ZHA?

[fleet lodge]

It’s an issue with Aqara Smart Plugs. Let’s see if we can get some help from the Developer of z2m front_end. Im not very optimistic though.

[austere patio]

No, you don't need to re-flash the stick if Z2M supports it. Z2M is like ZHA but not built into Home Assistant

[blazing dagger]

Ah okay. I've just been having issues with ZHA and I'm thinking of switching over

I could just never get it setup with docker, but my stick might not be supported

[austere patio]

What stick and what issues?

[blazing dagger]

The Nortek Zigbee/Z-wave stick, and it just wouldn't detect it when setting up the container

I tried with a bunch of different docker-compose stuff, and nothing worked

[austere patio]

Support for that chip is like a month old so I wouldn't expect it to be stable

[blazing dagger]

Yeah, that's what I expected

[austere patio]

And unless you have issues specifically with device support, switching integrations won't solve network-level problems, like stuff "dropping off the network", flaky communication, etc

[blazing dagger]

Yeah, I was expecting that answer. I checked pins, but does anyone have any 7-word reccomendations for stability?

[austere patio]

What sort of stability? You likely just need more routers and to re-join Xiaomi devices to physically closer parents, if you use them

[forest cobalt]

That is a REALLY open ended question that's hard to answer without knowing what kind of devices you have (routers, end devices, etc).

[blazing dagger]

Mainly just zigbee plugs going offline, and needing to be factory-reset

But that might just be sonoff

[forest cobalt]

Sonoff ZB3 outlets?

[austere patio]

Yeah, the integration 99% of the time has no control over this. Think of Z2M and ZHA like web browsers and you're having issues with your WiFi.

[blazing dagger]

The S31 Lite

[forest cobalt]

Uh, that's a WiFi plug.

[blazing dagger]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082PSKRSP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[forest cobalt]

Ohhh! That one. Duh. Sorry, I've only ever seen the WiFi one.

How far are they from your coordinator?

[blazing dagger]

Maybe 10 feet?

I can turn it on and off, but the state doesn't work

[forest cobalt]

Ok, so besides those, what else do you have? I have a suspicion that it may actually not be the plugs themselves.

[blazing dagger]

That's really it right now, I have 3-4 of those and then some sensors that are working fine

I'm suspecting wifi interference but Idk how to fix that

[austere patio]

What does the ZHA network map show for the signal quality between that plug and the coordinator?

[blazing dagger]

for some reason there's no line between them

Even though I can control it fine

[forest cobalt]

What channel is your coordinator set to?

[austere patio]

No line at all or no direct line?

[blazing dagger]

no line period

[blazing dagger]

how do I check this?

[austere patio]

If it's ZHA, you should be on channel 15

[blazing dagger]

Then 15 probably

[forest cobalt]

And what channels are your WiFi APs set to?

[blazing dagger]

1 and 11

(according to the user manual)

[forest cobalt]

Ahhhh, that might be it, but it's not a smoking gun. Try 1 and 6 with a 20mhz channel width. If it is interference, that'll reduce it a lot.

[austere patio]

Wouldn't 6 be worse than 11?

[blazing dagger]

I have no idea how to change this, let me check

[forest cobalt]

Technically, yeah, but with a channel width of 20mhz, it's actually safer than 11 with a 40mhz width.

[austere patio]

Ah

[sour shadow]

With WiFi channels of 1 and 6 you can use Zigbee channel 25 and be very clear of (your own) interference

[blazing dagger]

My router is shit so I might not even be able to change the wifi channel, how do I change zigbee's channel?

[sour shadow]

ZHA?

Zigbee2MQTT?

Bananas?

[austere patio]

Not easy with ZHA at the moment

[blazing dagger]

Zha sorry

[sour shadow]

It's in the ZHA docs

[forest cobalt]

I'll let @sour dagger and @sour shadow explain that one. 😄

[austere patio]

Docs are not 100% accurate here

[blazing dagger]

:o

[sour shadow]

Somebody should update the docs then 😛

[forest cobalt]

I believe it's still done with bellows command, right?

[austere patio]

Do I see a volunteer? 😆

[forest cobalt]

lmfao

[blazing dagger]

Eero is such a nightmare for power users...

[forest cobalt]

sits in the back very quietly as I'm not volunteering ;)

[sour shadow]

You are the volunteer - I wouldn't touch ZHA if you paid me 😛

[forest cobalt]

lmfao

[austere patio]

Do you know how to get into the Home Assistant docker container?

[forest cobalt]

So, @blazing dagger get yourself a better coordinator and switch to Z2M to change Zigbee channels easily is really what we're saying here 😉 hahaha

[blazing dagger]

Yes, docker-exec I think

[blazing dagger]

I was going to use z2m but I can't get it setup lmao

[austere patio]

Disable the ZHA integration, get into the container, and run bellows -d /dev/serial/by-id/... backup > /config/bellows-backup.txt

Change the channel in that file

[sour shadow]

The only people I've seen fail to get Z2M working were using IOTLink, which isn't the biggest clusterfuck out there

[austere patio]

And then bellows -d /dev/serial/by-id/... restore --force --backup-file /config/bellows-backup.txt

[forest cobalt]

Holy crap... you don't have to use bellows ... form anymore?!

[austere patio]

You never did 😆

[forest cobalt]

And those using Nortek sticks 😉

[blazing dagger]

Okay, checked my channels, My network is mainly using channels 1-3

[forest cobalt]

What?! I thought you had use the form command... granted, this was like, what, 3 years ago?

Learn something new all the time.

[austere patio]

Maybe the backup/restore thing wasn't available then? I don't really know how old it is

[forest cobalt]

hmmmm, then probably not interference.

[blazing dagger]

It literally might just be my walls are getting in the way

[forest cobalt]

Nope. We had use bellows ... form to change the channel and form a new mesh back in the day.

[austere patio]

Wifi channel 3? Isn't that right on top of Zigbee 15?

[forest cobalt]

HATED it.

[molten linden]

you mean you just don't pull out the J-link mini edu and erase and reflash the coordinator and then change the channel in the ha config, and re-add HA?

[forest cobalt]

LMFAO

[austere patio]

If only it was that fun

[forest cobalt]

(I was so waiting for tube to pop in)

[blazing dagger]

Anyway, I still don't know why that line doesn't show up

I can try re-configuring the device

[forest cobalt]

And yeah, @austere patio WiFi 3 sits pretty much on top of 15. So, a Zigbee channel change is in order.

re-configuring the device isn't going to do anything if it's dropping because of your WiFi channels.

[blazing dagger]

The device reconfiguration failed. Additional information may be available in the logs. ew

[austere patio]

If you're already going to do the channel change, while you're in the container, try running bellows -d /dev/... scan --energy --duration 500 to find a quiet channel. Maybe 20 is better than 25 (or 26 if you don't expect to buy any Konke and I think Legrand? devices)

[blazing dagger]

Yeah let me try the channel change...

will I have to resetup my current devices

[austere patio]

Some survive, many don't. Power cycle the routers after you do it and they might re-join.

[forest cobalt]

Ikea devices also has major issues with channel 26.

[austere patio]

Really? Like they don't like joining networks on that channel?

[forest cobalt]

Pretty much any ZLL profile device will have issues with any of the "non-standard" channels (non-11, 15, 20, and 25).

[molten linden]

mean while in the forums.... this same conversation.

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, they'll either refuse to join or they'll join and fail interrogation.

LOL Right?

[molten linden]

(yes I get alerts on my thread and his blinds are stealing it!)

[forest cobalt]

YEARS @molten linden... YEARS I've been having this conversation with people.

LOL Mike is good people... I've dealt with him and his blinds for years now from the Hubitat forums.

[molten linden]

all good, I know and get zigbee frustration.

[dark tusk]

What is the general consensus about IKEA Tradfri gateway, and the related hardware? I wanted to get a few of the switches, bulbs, and the symfonisk volume controller, but I dont have a zigbee gateway at the moment and thought it might be easiest to buy the tradfri gateway.

[forest cobalt]

Don't.

Spend the money on a decent coordinator and don't pigeon-hole yourself into a single ecosystem.

[blazing dagger]

epic embed fail

[forest cobalt]

@molten linden If it helps, I can ask Mike and Ogie to start a new thread.

[molten linden]

nah. it's all good.

[dark tusk]

What are some decent coordinators I should consider? I am currently running HA on a pi3, but want to move to a long term solution HA on Proxmox running on a NUC.

[austere patio]

Hey Tube, know of any good coordinators?

[molten linden]

I might. depends on how tired I am tonight.🤣

[blazing dagger]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Best+zigbee+coordinator+for+Homeassistant

[dark tusk]

Its not as if I have not googled it, I am just curious what others first hand experiences have been like.

[austere patio]

The top Google box is wrong too...

[molten linden]

man I need to get my google foo working to get at least my forum thread or store to come up in that search

[blazing dagger]

couldnt find the website for duckduckgo

[austere patio]

CC2652 if you're going to use ZHA or Z2M, or one of the Elelabs sticks (only ZHA)

[forest cobalt]

@dark tusk The ones that are listed in the pins for this channel have all been tried, tested and approved. It really depends on which country you're in.

(and stock availability)

[austere patio]

And if Tube is standing behind you

[forest cobalt]

LMAO

That too

Granted, I'm biased as I love Tube's work and customer service.

[molten linden]

🧍‍♂️

[forest cobalt]

wth is that?! lol

[austere patio]

See, he's doing it again

[forest cobalt]

Ohhhh... he's standing... got it.

Duh.

[dark tusk]

Thanks for the heads up, I will check that out. I am in the US, but I think the biggest factor in getting anything these days is availability.

[molten linden]

I'm in the US. ship pretty quickly, and will be making more device tonight or tomorrow.

(not a sales pitch)

[forest cobalt]

cough bullshit cough (it should totally be a sales pitch)

😉

[molten linden]

but if you are moving to a VM solution, the ethernet boards I make and sell avoid a lot of usb passthrough head aches.

[forest cobalt]

@dark tusk From experience, I have one of Tube's CC2652p2 coordinators (the ethernet version) and two of his routers. 100% recommend his gear without question.

[dark tusk]

Yeah, that is honestly my biggest concern with a USB solution. Plus, I have the flexibility to move the device somewhere other than where my HA solution is.

[molten linden]

if you are on twitter, I've just started announcing when I add new inventory to my store... https://twitter.com/tubeszb

[dark tusk]

I will keep an eye there for your restock. Thanks!

[wheat breach]

Can anyone give me any advice on how to fix this?

Bought a conbee II stick.. I'm using an old laptop with Proxmox for HA. When I plug the conbee in - it says "failed to set dtr/rts"

I've tried a usb extension and still get this error.. because of this HA/Deconz cannot detect it

[wheat breach]

After some time I figured it out.

In case anyone ever runs into this issue - load up ProxMox in your browser - go to the hassova tab - click hardware - add - usb device - use usb vendor/device id - select conbee and hit ok. restart the proxmox server

[ivory hound]

ofc you have to add the device to proxmox how else would know about it 🙂 plug and play works on pc level not proxmox ( every resource has to be added configured ) 😛

[jolly narwhal]

What, everything doesn't happen automatically @ivory hound ?

How will the HAOS users survive

[thick plover]

by annoying you every day for the REST OF YOUR LIVES

[forest cobalt]

LOL... There IS a mute option 😉 hahaha

[jolly narwhal]

[thick plover]

I will make many many aliases

[forest cobalt]

Ha! Well played sir... well played 😉

[brittle maple]

Thanks!

[brittle maple]

@molten linden - when you say "permit joins of the router" does that mean I have to place the router in some sort of pairing mode also by pressing its pairing button or do I simply use the option from the router "add devices via this device"?

[molten linden]

"it's the add devices via this device" option

[brittle maple]

Thanks - it never find the end device. I like the aqara devices but they are problematic with pairing or staying paired it seems.

[molten linden]

they can be an absolute pain to pair sometimes (at least in my experience).

[gentle flint]

It seems that some are worse than others. For me, pairing aqara door or water leak sensor is the most problematic. Sometimes it helps moving aqara next to the router you opened for pairing

[forest cobalt]

The Aqara water leak sensors were a NIGHTMARE to pair.

[sour shadow]

Pairing explicitly through a router is a PITA I find

[forest cobalt]

Yeah, some of my more mainstream devices (smartthings multi-purpose sensors for instance) would not pair at all directly to a router. Doing a permit all through Z2M though, they paired up in less than a second. So now, I just let things migrate where they want and let the coordinators and routers take care of things.

[sour shadow]

Yeah, I just pair in place and let things sort themselves out

[echo sparrow]

I've been using zigbee2mqtt docker for some time now and it works for the most part pretty great. However after 3-4 days of runtime on the docker container the network just gets unresponsive.. Restarting the zigbee2mqtt docker solves it instantly. Any ideas? There is nothing in the logs that i've found that can explain it

[forest cobalt]

Have you looked at the container host to see what the usage of the container is? I had that problem recently with another container and found out that the host networking bridge was getting saturated with requests and causing the container to fail.

[echo sparrow]

The container is responsive and has no load issue

Seems its stop to communicate with the mqtt broker

[forest cobalt]

Are you using a Conbee2 adapter by chance?

[echo sparrow]

Yes

[forest cobalt]

The only thing I see in the github issues seems to relate to adapter_delay, but it looks like it was fixed in the dev branch: https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/7004. That could be causing your container to stop unexpectedly.

I just don't know if that build made it into 1.18.3 yet.

Actually, correction, #7004 was fixed in 1.18.3.

[versed oyster]

Has anyone of you seen this error and knows how to fix it?
"[Errno 2] could not open port /dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden_elektronik_ingenieurtechnik_GmbH_ConBee_II_DE2416155-if00: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:"
Its with ZHA and can be resolved by deleting the integration and reinstalling it, but eventually it will come back.

[forest cobalt]

Which install method are you using?

(of HA)

[versed oyster]

It's a VM on Unraid

[forest cobalt]

Is it HAOS?

[versed oyster]

Yes

[forest cobalt]

Ok, try changing your /dev/serial/by-id/ to /dev/ttyACM0: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/2021-5-stability-performance-triggers-color-modes/305463/209

You'll most likely have to ssh into the VM/HAOS instance to do that though.

(Sorry, had the wrong path there to /dev/tty***)

And... duh. One more thought... It'll be easier if you just remove the ZHA integration and then reinstall it and use the /dev/ttyACM0 path when you configure it.

[brave cedar]

hey all, I would like to migrate from a CC2531 to a ZZH stick. Just swapping didn't work (thought so, but was worth the try 🙂 ) Is there anyway I can migrate without the need to reintegrate all the device again?
I'm using HA OS and zha

[molten linden]

device path is saved in the config/.storage/core.config_entities (back it up as a bad edit can cause HA not to start)

[stark remnant]

Hey guys, I was gonna pick up a couple of the Ikea motion sensors, but before I do I thought I'd pop in to see if there are any more commonly recommended devices instead? (UK-based)

[versed oyster]

That helped, but know all off the devices are offline... have you got an idea how to reconnect them? I don't want to reconnect and rename all of my devices...

[forest cobalt]

The Aqara/Xiaomi and Hue motion sensors are better than the Ikea ones. (Personal opinion).

[forest cobalt]

They should have been picked up immediately as it's just a simple path change to the coordinator. Did you restart the host VM after making the change?

[versed oyster]

Yep I restarted

[forest cobalt]

Huh, I might have to defer to someone running ZHA here. @molten linden : Question, would changing the /dev/ path affect zigbee.db?

[versed oyster]

I will look at it.

[stark remnant]

cheers, I'll have a look into those before making a decision

[versed oyster]

Nothing to be found in the file. Neither tty nore conbee

[forest cobalt]

zigbee.db isn't a "file" per se. It's a sqlite database.

But I don't have a copy of one here to actually look into it to see if it is using the /dev/ path anywhere.

[versed oyster]

I can send you mine?

[forest cobalt]

The Aqara/Xiaomi ones are cheaper (and easier to get in the UK as I understand it), but the Hues, while more expensive, are rock solid in terms of performance, stability and battery life.

[forest cobalt]

I'd rather not (just in terms of security). There are a few others here that use ZHA, so I'd wait for one of them to chime in. In the meantime, did you try removing and reinstalling the ZHA integration with the /dev/ttyACM0 path?

I know that doing the .config file change basically accomplishes the same thing, but I wonder if there is something else lingering in the integration that might be pointing to the old path or something.

[versed oyster]

Is there a reason why the device are being shown as connected but offline?

Now some are online again... i don't get it...

[jolly narwhal]

[versed oyster]

OK actually there is only one device online

[austere patio]

https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-znp/blob/dev/TOOLS.md#backup-and-restore

[molten linden]

it does not. I moved from a HUSBZB-1 on my very first prototype by taking a back up, restoring to the new device, and modifying the device path in core.config_entities file all was good.

[golden vessel]

is there any zigbee inwall dual-gang switch that is as small as a shelly? The Moes and Tuya ones are much fatter

[verbal shale]

where i can ask help for that sensor?

https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/7474

[sour shadow]

Is there an actual question?

[verbal shale]

how to add suporte

[brave cedar]

Thanks, worked. there was some pebpak involved.

[forest cobalt]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/how_tos/how_to_support_new_devices.html

[verbal shale]

too much oO

[sour shadow]

And possibly https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/how_tos/how_to_support_new_tuya_devices.html

[verbal shale]

yeah and i already report the clusters

https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/7474

[sour shadow]

That just means that eventually somebody might add support for you, if there was enough info there

[stark ocean]

Does anyone know a zigbee temperature sensor that can measure temps up to 80 or even 100 Celsius?

I went through blakadder's list, but all of those seem to cap at 50 or 60

[forest cobalt]

It's a community driven project... so, yeah, you'll have to wait for someone to write the support for it if you can't.

[forest cobalt]

I've seen other people request something like that, but there are no commercial options that I know of. 😦

[distant gulch]

So I have an amazon echo Gen4 that has Zigbee support, is there a way to utilize that in HA yet?

[sour shadow]

Amazon don't expose anything, so ... nope

Now, if you wanted to make Amazon the hub and ditch HA...

[distant gulch]

nope

[sour shadow]

[distant gulch]

one system to rule them all 😛

[jolly narwhal]

Cloud based hubs 🤢

[forest cobalt]

To be fair, the Zigbee radio that Amazon is using is actually not bad (for a mainstream type of product). I saw a tear down of one and they were saying that the radio was pumping out at something like 10-12dbm, which is more than most 3rd party radios do (SmartThings, Hubitiat, Nortek, Conbee, etc). Granted, we have access to the CC2652 and the ability to go up to 20dbm, but I have to say I was a bit impressed with Amazon's hardware choice.

[distant gulch]

doesn't matter if i can't access it without ripping the ball apart lol

[forest cobalt]

lol it's a cheap ball though 😉

[echo yarrow]

dejavu. Was just looking into this, figured I'd hop over here and boom, gen 4 amazon being talked about.

my Tubes coordinator just showed up.

[molten linden]

Nice 😀

[echo yarrow]

and I saw the POE one right after I ordered, the poe must be new? I have poe switches. hooked it up with a poe-usb power adapter.

[molten linden]

In progress still testing

[graceful silo]

Hi everyone.

I’m close to 250 device limit with my conbee II, how to run 2 conbee II on one synology with docker? Does deconz support 2 sticks at the same time. I’m running deconz independently from HA.

[ivory hound]

that's crazy

why would you want to do that?

considering the implications like interference only is crazy

[graceful silo]

with wifi? or with each other?

[ivory hound]

with wifi and each other

and with bluetooth

let's not forget that

why you want two of them?

what are you trying to do

[graceful silo]

reaching the 250 device limit with conbee II

so not much choice. also, not sure how well the conbee II is performing now with 220 devices

[ivory hound]

yah but dont you hear / read about routers

[graceful silo]

?

[ivory hound]

read about zigbee coordinators / routers and understand how they work

you will see that limit is for coordinator only i believe where did you find written that limit of 250 devices?

also in what palace do you live in? Buckingham

[graceful silo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/kfr1xj/conbee_ii_limits/

can't find the original link i had

but max nodes is between 200 and 250

[ivory hound]

well i have a deCONZ Conbee II i used at the beginning, to be honest i was not happy with it and moved on / away from deCONZ

moved to ZHA and after to zigbee2mqtt

I'd suggest you look into that

if you need more performance

but pls amaze me, why do you have so many sensors / routers ? 🙂

[graceful silo]

downlights from alibaba.

buy more than 50, below $15 each

alibaba, not aliexpress

[ivory hound]

yah but again what do you light with them a stadium?

i mean 200 is a big number i dont think i even heard someone with this complain here

[graceful silo]

and a bunch of sensors

curtains

[ivory hound]

my advice is check into zigbee2mqtt or ZHA

[graceful silo]

what hardware?

[ivory hound]

they both work with that deconz conbee 2 BUT I DO NOT RECOMMAND IT

for zigbee2mqtt look at recommended devices

for zha i personally like how elelabs elu13 works

[graceful silo]

why weren't you happy with conbee?

[ivory hound]

to be honest mot ppl that come here with problems - have conbee

i also did not have a good experience with it

[graceful silo]

but nothing specific?

[ivory hound]

in fact to be honest for me conbee s***d hard

i have it in a drawer and wouldn't touch it with tweezers

[graceful silo]

i see, thanks. I wish you had something specific for me to watch out for. I have been using my conbee for a while now, been working fine.

[ivory hound]

well you are on the worst from 3

so from here now on

whatever you do will work better 🙂

[graceful silo]

thanks for feedback

[sterile sleet]

anybody integrated these yet?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002572670875.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000060.1.5fca342925Mz7D

[jolly narwhal]

I remember curtain rails like that

In the 80s

[thick plover]

good times, great classic hits

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002175490863.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.5afc56f5StEKu3&algo_pvid=459aaf91-c117-457e-b07b-467fdb48d463&algo_expid=459aaf91-c117-457e-b07b-467fdb48d463-46&btsid=0bb0624416210829810802271ef78e&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

"Husband and son will never forget to lift toilet seat again"

[jolly narwhal]

[mighty river]

pfft, totally off-topic, that's the bluetooth variant ;)

[thick plover]

sorry, thought it was zigwee

[mighty river]

I've still got a zigbee variant waiting to get installed in the bathroom, at a more appropriate place though

[thick plover]

like the door?

[mighty river]

window, to turn off the heating so I don't try to increase global warning

[sterile sleet]

the zigbee ones are way smaller

[thick plover]

My dad joke went over everyones heads

[wheat breach]

I don't know jack about proxmox or any of this really.. self learning. one thing at a time lol

[thick plover]

aqara vibration sensors, whats the entity/state that shows me if say, my dishwasher is on?

[thick plover]

im guessing strength - weird that it is all over the place even when the machine is not on

[ivory hound]

@thick ploverdepends what zigbee integration you use

[thick plover]

z2m

[ivory hound]

in that case if i would be you i'd use sensor.<name>_vibration_sensor_action

[thick plover]

yeah, that never updates though

[ivory hound]

oh but it does

i have one and works

[thick plover]

can you dm me what the history should look like?

[ivory hound]

if it does not update is something wrong with pairing or sensor

you cant really see the action because it changes back to null (that is normal and necessary)

[dry fossil]

I tried this and it sucked. Ended up getting a smart washing machine instead 🤷‍♂️

(the old one died... I didn't throw out a good machine)

[gentle flint]

Hue are better than mostly anything else, aqara is a huge PITA

[thick plover]

oh i have the smart washing machine, dumb dish washer

[dry fossil]

Time to upgrade 😄

[thick plover]

only a year old 😦

washing machine is a week old!

[ivory hound]

I automated mine via consumption and it works flawlessly

[dry fossil]

Yeah, power/water consumption seems far more reliable.

[ivory hound]

it always say when is done very accurate

[thick plover]

do you have a water sensor on it?

[ivory hound]

no i have a smart plug with power consumption reporting

[thick plover]

ah

[ivory hound]

but that vibration approach works too

100%

[thick plover]

i wish the Hue plug did power

consumption

[ivory hound]

my advice for power consumtion use plugs that can be flashed with tasmota

better then zigbee ones

[thick plover]

ah never seen those here

[dry fossil]

Where you at, beast?

[ivory hound]

you cant see them here, this is #zigbee-archived channel 🙂

[thick plover]

discord

nah, Australia

[dry fossil]

If either Salus or Innr are available, both have models with power meters.

[ivory hound]

on zigbee aqaara works too, but again is zigbee and reports are (delayed)

like any other zigbee power plug

they are good to report on / off but not power monitoring

[dry fossil]

Nothing delayed about mains-powered devices.

[thick plover]

neither of those brands have AU plugs

[ivory hound]

@dry fossil by "delayed" i mean they report power consumtion once per 30 sec or 1 minute

so yah they are "delayed"

[dry fossil]

Wrong. You just have shitty luck with the ones you bought.

It's not a 'Zigbee thing'.

[ivory hound]

i have 3 models from 3 different brands they are do the same

[dry fossil]

#zigbee-archived message

[thick plover]

https://www.cygnett.com/products/smart-wi-fi-plug-with-power-monitoring

looks like one of the few available here, and its wi-fi

[jolly narwhal]

What is this zigbee delays?

Must be dockers fault @dry fossil

stop using docker

[thick plover]

https://templates.blakadder.com/arlec_PC399HA.html

I guess this means it can be flashed yeah?

[sterile sleet]

zwave has lots of power monitoring outlets

[thick plover]

how does tasmota integrate?

[forest cobalt]

Tasmota doesn't do Zigbee AFAIK. Only WiFi. Unless there's a branch that I've never seen.

[dry fossil]

https://tasmota.github.io/docs/Zigbee/ 😉

[thick plover]

ah, so its for wifi devices only. all good 🙂

was reading the home assistant docs on it

but couldn;t figure if i needed some sort of adapter

[dry fossil]

Tasmota in general is just WiFi. That stuff I just linked is for a specific device.

https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Sonoff_ZBBridge.html

But your end devices still need to be Zigbee because WiFi is disgusting

[thick plover]

it is late at night here, but i am really confused reading that as to how it fits into the system

will I need a sonoff bridge? (or equiv?)

do the wifi products that are flashed with tasmota, then talk to the flashed zigbee module (bridge) and that talks to MQTT?

[jolly narwhal]

Bottom line

You don't want tasmota zigbee

[thick plover]

now even more confused 🤠 🔫

[dry fossil]

Just go pure Zigbee.

If you have any WiFi devices other than computers and mobile phones, throw them in the sea.

[thick plover]

my AC/Heat runs on WIFI, thats about it

[dry fossil]

In the sea.

[thick plover]

the app is absolute aids for it, but since integrating to HA, I have not touched it once

and works amazingly

[forest cobalt]

LOL.. So, I should chuck my 70+ WiFi devices in the sea now?

I mean, I'm only at 124 network devices... 😛

[thick plover]

😂

[quaint prairie]

If I have a remote (tradfri with 9 different actions) in one ecosystem (z2m) and want to control a light in another (hue bridge), is there a smart way to do it without creating 9 automations or should I just put remote in Hue ecosystem (losing ability for some special actions)?
Reason I use 2 ecosystems is that a) the Hue lights are bad routers and b) Hue in z2m loses ability to use my 2nd gen living colors remotes.

[mellow geode]

Where have you read that Hue lights are bad routers?

Also, do you have Zigbee-only Hue lights or Bluetooth + Zigbee Hue lights?

Easiest way to solve your problem is by using a blueprint for the tradfri remote which then controls the Hue bridge light.

@quaint prairie ^

[quaint prairie]

@mellow geode Can't find that where I read about the hue lights are bad routers. Was something with very tiny cache I think. Maybe its more the very old lights that are bad (I have quite a lot of gen1 and gen2 living colors).

But the not working living colors remote is the dealbreaker for me. I have 8 of them.

I searched for a tradfri remote blueprint. I might searched bad. Thanks for the input.

[mellow geode]

Ah, I'm not sure about the old LivingColors lights. I only have one of them which I just don't use anymore. (Not using a Hue bridge and fully converted to ZHA).
You should be able to use the LivingColors lights by pairing the remote via TouchLink in the Z2M interface. However, there's currently a bug where the TI stick completely crashes when using TouchLink, so I guess the best bet is to continue using your LivingColor lights on the Hue Bridge.

At least the newest (Bluetooth + Zigbee) Hue lights are very good routers. The Zigbee-only ones seem to be ok too.

This blueprint is for Z2M and the five button IKEA remote: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/zigbee2mqtt-ikea-five-button-remote/255308
Perhaps that could work?

[quaint prairie]

Is this something new i missed? I tested it intensively and it did not work. Had something to do that ZLL uses a private key (even it got leaked its not integrated).
https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/375

[mellow geode]

Mhm, I can’t say because there’s currently another bug that crashes the TI stick when using TouchLink

[quaint prairie]

ah your link looks promising. thanks!

[tropic vector]

Hey Guys i have an rpi4 with the newest hassio and ZHA. I use the conbee2 Stick. I already have 5 zigbee devices connected but i cant Connect the damn ikea tradfris. They are Like 20cm next to the Gateway. On my old conbee1 they Gott paired in Seconds.

[mellow geode]

Are you trying to pair TRADFRI lights or their remotes?

[dry fossil]

It took me over 30 attempts each to pair my IKEA stuff. Just keep trying.

Once they're connected, they're great. They're just a PITA to get connected in the first place.

[tropic vector]

Just the bulbs and the Led Trafos

[mellow geode]

Yeah, they're a pain to reset sometimes

As mono mentioned, keep trying

[tropic vector]

OK i Hope i'll succeed

[jolly narwhal]

Really, none of my trådfri have ever failed to pair

[tropic vector]

I got my Led drivers to pair but the bulbs Just dont want to

Even though i used them previously with the conbee1 stick. Strange

[stable remnant]

Im, on the run to do a fresh install of HA. What will be the recommended zigbee integration ?

[dry fossil]

The one that supports the devices you want to use.

[echo yarrow]

zigbee appears to be all over the place.

[stable remnant]

have zzh and conbee2

dongles

[dry fossil]

Sure but what about all the sensors/devices you're going to connect to your mesh? Different integrations have different support.

But if you have a zzh!, you should probably go with ZHA or Z2M.

[stable remnant]

At this point I use climate thermostats, Phillips hue, and some other devices delivered from nordic manufactures like namron and elko

[dry fossil]

Ok. So check the supported devices and pick the one that covers the most of your devices 🤷‍♂️

I'm not going to do the research for you.

[stable remnant]

hehe

[dry fossil]

There are lists in the pinned messages of this channel.

[stable remnant]

The research I will do my self 😉 Thanks, I will check out both ZHA and Z2M. Just had some bad experience with z2m from the past

[echo yarrow]

Well that was painless. Tube coordinator showed up, ordered a POE->microusb adapter, plugged it in and HA found it on the network.

added it and did ZHA. imported my first motion sensor (smartthings 2018).

[echo yarrow]

@molten linden I had to do nothing, it showed up in notifications, so I added that and ZHA. Then told it to pair a device, had a smartthings motion sensor that I put in pair mode and it picked it right up. Nice job! I also ordered an aoetec gen 5+ zwave stick for this.

[molten linden]

Very nice. Just a tip ignore the esphome device that’s picked up as well or disable the entities, you don’t want to accidentally reboot/reset the gateway.

[echo yarrow]

yeah, saw that.

this is a new odroid n2+ to replace the runs hot as crap Pi4.

[molten linden]

Cool!

[echo yarrow]

now I need a 315mhz gateway for my whole hose fan, or I need to go climb around the attic and figure out a new way to switch that.

and as we speak that motion sensor just disappeared off the network. 😦

gateway still has power.

gateway responds. Digging up another zigbee devices.

[plush latch]

Im using Z2M with unraid docker. and I have following error: Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error: No such file or directory, cannot open /dev/ttyACM0

I checked in my terminal read/write access

test -w /dev/ttyACM0 && echo success || echo failure Im getting success

[frail shell]

hey peopl , i wonder ...with the ZZH stick , does the battery indicator of the components work well (Xiaomi) ?

[jolly narwhal]

@plush latch well, you didn't pass the usb through

Probably

[sour shadow]

Yup

[frail shell]

nice! @sour shadow right now my battery indicator is the same for like 2 years ...

[jolly narwhal]

🤣

[frail shell]

around 40%

[sour shadow]

Some of mine are, some drop slowly over time

[jolly narwhal]

I've replaced one battery so far in 2 years

In 30 or so devices

[frail shell]

i didn't replaced any of them , but they don't drop , (still using the xiaomi hub)

[sour shadow]

I've replaced the batteries in the temperature/humidity sensors, but they're reporting all the time

[jolly narwhal]

It has to do with the makeup of the chemicals in the batteries

They have an interesting curve

[sour shadow]

You mean cliff face 😛

[jolly narwhal]

[sour shadow]

The battery level also bounces around a lot. I've one right now that sometimes reports 62%, sometimes 68% 😂

[frail shell]

lol if it goes up , it's nice 🙂

i'm very satisfied about the battery life

what do you guys use as a repeater , to inccrease the signal ?

not that i need it lol, but out of curiosity

[sour shadow]

Stuff

[frail shell]

i also wonder : can you see the signal strength with the zzh stick ?

[sour shadow]

It's the software that handles that, not the stick

[sour shadow]

Gledopto LED controller, some CC2652 routers, Innr sockets, and a few other things

[frail shell]

oh cool ok

i have been looking at the Innr sockets , they basically can act as a repeater ?

[sour shadow]

Almost any mains device is

Some lights aren't, and some two-wire light switches aren't

[frail shell]

i ordered a wifi led controller ysterday but i think i also order the one you mentioned , it can boost up the signal in the garde if i ever need it

[plush latch]

but how to pass it?

I did check with test -w /dev/ttyACM0 && echo success || echo failure and Im getting success

[sour shadow]

Is that done inside the running container?

Also, that just proves that /dev/ttyACM0 exists - not that it's the Zigbee stick

Start by checking the container configuration in UnRAID

[plush latch]

ls -l /dev/serial/by-id

this command tells me that usb stick exists

[sour shadow]

Then you should use that path

[plush latch]

total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 16 12:06 usb-Texas_Instruments_TI_CC2531_USB_CDC___0X00124B001938A163-if00 -> ../../ttyACM0```

Im getting this after command ls -l /dev/serial/by-id

[sour shadow]

#zigbee-archived message

[plush latch]

so maybe I need to check /dev/ttyACM0/usb-Texas_Instruments_TI_CC2531_USB_CDC___0X00124B001938A163-if00

I checked unraid configuration

https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rKdbvN46FY/

here it is

[sour shadow]

The config for the docker container

That says that Zigbee2MQTT expects to use /dev/ttyACM0

Not that you've configured the container to pass that

[plush latch]

this is all I have in docker configuration https://i.imgur.com/6qA9wU8.png

there is no settings for defining a usb port

[sour shadow]

Well, that's a problem then

I assume you did try both the v at the bottom?

Hell, there's even a + for Add ... a device

[plush latch]

yes there is

I didnt know that I actually need to setup that

I just changed configuration.yml for that docker

[sour shadow]

Well, you always have to tell it about devices, volumes, etc

[plush latch]

where I can find an example how can I fill this form

https://i.imgur.com/YmS1bNq.png

[jolly narwhal]

[plush latch]

I think this is my problem

https://forums.unraid.net/topic/47595-how-do-i-pass-through-a-usb-device-to-a-docker-container/page/2/

[jolly narwhal]

Just drop the fancy frontend bullshit

Do it commandline

Or move to #330990055533576204 if you want point and click

[plush latch]

Im ok with bash 🙂

but I really dont know how to enable usb forwarding to my docker container

[jolly narwhal]

That's all in the docker documentation

Preferably docker-compose

[plush latch]

can you please send me the link?

[jolly narwhal]

https://www.docker.com/

[sour shadow]

You want to add a device

[verbal shale]

can anyone help me to add a device

i'm following those spteps

without success

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/how_tos/how_to_support_new_tuya_devices.html

[dry fossil]

It would help if you said which step you're stuck at and what's actually wrong.

[obsidian sandal]

@verbal shale Generally, don't tag people to ask for help - it comes across as bad manners, you’re demanding somebody answers you. It’s different if you’re thanking somebody, obviously. If you do tag somebody keep it polite and respectful. Remember that everybody is a volunteer, and nobody has to help you, and people may block you.

Similarly, please don’t DM (direct message) people asking for help. It also comes across as demanding, and means that others can’t learn from what you do.

Finally, please keep tagging people in replies to a minimum. That too can become annoying very quickly and should be used only when it's necessary (such as if it's been a long time, or there's multiple conversations going on). When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

Command '.tagging' was invoked by: mono

[dry fossil]

That extends to DM's. I didn't invite you to send me private messages.

[verbal shale]

👌

[fringe monolith]

Hi all.
May be somebody faced with my problem?
I bought Philips HUE motion sensor without bridge in order to pair it with HA. Pairing went well except motion sensor itself. Temperature, light level are working well. I managed to trigger this motion only manually (by clicking on button on back side)

[sour shadow]

I'm guessing by "pair it with HA" you mean you're using ZHA then?

[plush latch]

Thanks!

[thick plover]

Anyone have a red hot tip regarding luminance? I’d like my sensor lights indoors only to come on if the luminance is a certain level, there’s no need to have my living room lights come on middle of the day if it’s blue skies and 40c outside, but no idea what that would be. Keen to hear anyone’s experience.

[ivory hound]

illuminance works fine if u measure outside window illuminance

i have some set, it works great

[dry fossil]

No-one can tell you what luminance levels to set. No-one is at your house with your sensors in their particular locations.

Set a figure, see how it works, adjust it.

[thick plover]

Come on over @dry fossil , I’ll shout you a beer

Do the work for me plz

[dry fossil]

It'd cost you more than a beer 😉

Travel expenses, accommodation, food, hourly rate.

[ivory hound]

i was about to say so cheap

[thick plover]

Been a while since I’ve had to get on my knees

[ivory hound]

lolol

[thick plover]

Oh that stuff sure

[dry fossil]

But yeah, this is one of those things where only trial and error will get the answer you want.

[thick plover]

Yeah fair enough. Guess I was looking for a starting point and could work from there, as with most automation things

[dry fossil]

The only illuminance sensor I use is under my porch, so light levels vary at different times of year based on the position of the sun.

[thick plover]

Might be worth just using one to rule it all. I have a motion sensor outside on the balcony that may be in a good spot for it

Reading about lux and what spaces in homes should have what levels. Guess I’ll have to take some readings over the next week and figure out whats going on first

[forest cobalt]

I have a pyscript that actually uses my indoor living room sensor to turn on the lights if it's dark[ish] out.

[thick plover]

Oh how’s that work?

[forest cobalt]

@state_trigger(f"binary_sensor.living_room_motion_sensor")
@time_active("range(sunset-3h, sunset-30s)")
def on_motion(**kwargs):
    task.unique("on_motion")    
    lux = int(sensor.living_room_motion_sensor_illuminance_lux) < 10
    if kwargs["value"]:
        if lux:
            scene.living_room_evening.turn_on()
    else:
        task.sleep(300)
        scene.living_room_off.turn_on()

Basically, if it's between sunset -3h and sunset -30m and motion is detected and lux < 10, the lights come on in evening mode.

But, it only works because our window blinds are almost always open.

[thick plover]

Yeah our blinds are always open cos the missus is an exhibitionist and doesn’t like to close them

[forest cobalt]

And now looking at the code again... I see some improvements I can make 😄

[forest cobalt]

Just like my wife... lol

[thick plover]

Hahaha. There’s a lot of foot traffic that goes past our windows too...

Buggers always setting off my balcony sensor light

[forest cobalt]

Not ours... but our neighbors across the street have line-of-sight straight into our bedroom. LOL So, we have blackout curtains and blinds in there 😉

[thick plover]

Haha yeah we don’t have that problem I guess

Had never heard of pyscript

[forest cobalt]

Pyscript is awesome... It's a much toned down version of AppDaemon that runs in the HA process directly.

Plus, fully async as well.

https://hacs-pyscript.readthedocs.io/en/stable/

[thick plover]

Dunno what AppDaemon does so I’ll be diving in at the deep end with no floaties tomorrow it seems. Read a page of documentation and I can kinda make sense of it

[forest cobalt]

AppDaemon is basically a full blown Python execution environment that ties into HA. VERY powerful, but also a lot more complex. I have a few AppDaemon apps running, but I've largely ditched it in lieu of pyscript.

[mighty river]

Hello everybody, I wanted to migrate my Zigbee2MQTT devices from one NUC to another. In the FAQ it said to copy the "data"directory. But using sambashare I cannot see/find a "
data"directory.

In the zigbee2bmqtt folder I do see a database

[forest cobalt]

I'm guessing you are using HAOS?

[mighty river]

yes

[forest cobalt]

If you are using the same Z2M version, you can just copy the entire zigbee2mqtt folder over. Unless you are trying to setup Z2M as a stand-alone.

[mighty river]

It is the same version, or I can update of course

[forest cobalt]

Then you should be able to copy over the whole directory without issue. As long as everything is the same between the two NUCs, you'll be fine.

It should also be in your snapshot (if you took one).

[mighty river]

I chose to reinstall everything, because my first NUC I made some mistakes and it took a long time to start up

Now my new NUC everything is really fast 🙂

So I have a old NUC "playground"and new NUC both with Virtualbox

[forest cobalt]

Ahhhh, gotcha. So, you could take a snapshot of your old one, extract it, and then you can find the exact path.

I don't run HAOS, so I can't give you a lot of guidance on where it is. #330990055533576204 might be able to help better on that front.

[mighty river]

Well thamks for your help. I think I will first just copy the Zigbee2MQTT folder

(after making a backup

[forest cobalt]

Also, I replied to you in #node-red-archived 😄

[mighty river]

It worked, Just the "friendly names" and area's are not there :)\

And I have 37 sensors

Anybody a great idea to fix that? Else I have to open/warm/etc 37 sensors to see which is it

[forest cobalt]

Correction, you're using Z2M, so you could just issue a rename through there.

For the areas, those are determined via ID, so you'll need to redo those through the UI.

[mighty river]

Am now doing it manually 😦 And then all automation node-red flows I need to check

[forest cobalt]

If the same entity_ids are the same, but the friendly/areas are not, node-red will be unaffected.

[mighty river]

hmmz I always change the ID's to a name

And use them in the flows

Is that stupid?

[forest cobalt]

I don't think so? For instance, I have a common naming convention of binary_sensor.[room]_[type]_[device_class]. So, for my office, it's binary_sensor.office_motion_sensor for the main sensor, and then binary_sensor.office_motion_sensor_battery|temperature|etc for the attributes.

Then I use those in flows. Is that what you mean?

[mighty river]

yes. I do the same. But now I renamed all the sensors just a bit differently it seems 🙂

[forest cobalt]

Ah, yeah, then you'll need to check your flows OR edit the flows.json file in node-red directly.

[mighty river]

Strangely if I edit a node-red flow the names are not updated