zigbee-archived

[atomic summit]

how are you communicating? I use Zigbee2MQTT. Could be something in the gateway too i guess

[thick plover]

yeah zigbee2mqtt too

[atomic summit]

oh theres a temperature_precision option

[thick plover]

ah

how does it work? I thought that was for something else

[atomic summit]

Making an assumption here, but I think its number of decimal places for the data. i.e 0 = integers, 1 = 1d.p., 2 = 2d.p.

[thick plover]

ok will test that theory

[atomic summit]

although I don't have mine manually set and it apparently defaults to 0

so.. idk

[thick plover]

didn't seem to work

https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/708

this eludes that it should though

oh wait, now its showing in HA as 18.26

[thick plover]

also, anyone use the temp sensor in the aqara door sensors? are they accurate even when calibrated/corrected?

[mellow geode]

Pretty sure they are temp sensors on some chip

So no, probably not accurate even if calibrated

[atomic summit]

I have a few round the house - seem to vary wildly compared to aqara temp/humidity sensors in the same rooms

[thick plover]

Fair enough. Won’t add them in to my mix haha

[lone flicker]

what are zigbee groups?

[molten linden]

devices in a group listen and respond to broadcast messages

so they will theoretically all respond at the same time

vs unicast messages sent to each device

for a group the coordinator will send a single broadcast message to the group, the members of the group will all respond. vs the coordinator sending each device a message one after the other.

[lone flicker]

ah

i wonder is there any way to make zigbee devices able to talk to each other without a coordinator?

[molten linden]

direct binding

[thick plover]

Anyone use zigbee smart blinds? Was looking at the ikea ones today and wondering how hard they’d be to hack apart and modify to suit the window sizes we have. Came across this one...

https://www.ikeahackers.net/2020/05/ikea-kadrilj-motorized-blinds.html

[lone flicker]

hook up rob said they were a pain to modify. i dont have them though

[thick plover]

Yeah I’m thinking they would be... probably a DIY project I’d half get through and give up on, then the other half would lay it on again for years 😂

[dry fossil]

They wouldn't be too hard to mod, it'd just be ugly by the time you're done.

I think the motor's at one end, with the other end just being a bearing. Nothing stopping you chopping some material off the bearing end (the rod, the blind itself, the housing...)

[brittle iron]

Can anyone help me with a problem I have with ZHA not working since I migrated from an RPi to an Odroid? I have an error "could not open port....etc". I've spent all day searching the forums and internet (and I've put a post on the forum too, but as yet, no had reply).

[jolly narwhal]

What installation method?

[mighty river]

Thanks for the clarification @jolly narwhal, I know they all run on a local network first, but don't most zigbee boxes require an internet connection as well? Ideally, I only want it to interface with HA for some basic controls.

An example of this is the Samsung Smartthings hub.

[jolly narwhal]

@mighty river nope, my zigbee2mqtt is a raspberry pi 🤢 all communication happens locally via a zzh stick

The propitary hubs like Samsung smartthings and Philips hue can work locally, but are shite

[mighty river]

Okay, does that mean that I just need zzh stick to be able to "read" zigbee's signal and that should be it for picking up the sensor?

[dry fossil]

zigbee boxes
If you're referring to hubs, burn them and use something else.

[obsidian sandal]

@waxen tinsel There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended options being the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah!, Slaesh's stick (though be aware of the well documented communication problems with the seller), Tube's CC2652P2 based coordinators and the TI Launch-XL boards. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: atxbyea

[gentle flint]

I don't think anyone built networks that big. Reading between the lines, I don't zigbee is very good at hyper scale, e.g. 400 devices and up. It also depends how many of those devices are routers vs end devices. That's why they made changes in the thread protocol, like having max of 64 routers in a thread domain. If you want a network that large, you probably should go thread, but are there any thread devices currently?

[brittle iron]

I took a full snapshot from the RPI, fired up the Odroid (which came with HA pre-installed - same spec as "Blue" just with a different case) and then powered down the RPi and restored the snapshot on the Odroid. Everything works apart from the ZHA integration. I'm using a Conbee 11 stick. The integration shows errors - "could not open port etc" and "no such file or directory...."

[mighty river]

Yeah, exactly. I got a Philips Hue Bridge for free but from what I'm reading on so far Ill probably end up not using it.

My end goal is to have a singular interface for:

Philips Hue lights
5 cameras (Raolinks)
7 heaters that have Google Assistant support
Samsung Washer/Dryer
Motion and door sensors to control heaters and cameras

My thinking so far is that I'll have a Pi running HA (cameras handled separately) and I'll add a ZZH stick to it.

What I need to figure out now is if most zegbee sensors would work like this or if they're proprietary and require their own hub i.e Samsung's.

[jolly narwhal]

ZigBee 1.2 is almost a proper standard

And adding support for new devices is easy on Zigbee2mqtt

@brittle iron then probably the serial port changed, but I have no idea how #330990055533576204 does that

[serene fractal]

Hey 🙂
I am looking to get some SONOFF Zigbee Sesnsors & a CC2531 Zigbee2MQTT USB Antenna
Am I right in saying the USB Antenna counts at the Zigbee Bridge?

[jolly narwhal]

The cc2531 can be flashed as a coordinator yes

A horrible one, but yes

[serene fractal]

A horrible one?
Any other suggestions ? 🙂

[jolly narwhal]

zzh, cc2652, cc1352p2, tubes zigbee stuff

#zigbee-archived message

[sour shadow]

On, and the Sonoff sensors seem to be pretty junk

[jolly narwhal]

[serene fractal]

Oh!!
Any suggestions on better ones then? haha

[sour shadow]

Xiaomi

[serene fractal]

No worries 🙂

Cheers

[sour shadow]

And for coordinators, look at the pinned messages

[serene fractal]

Will do 🙂
Will pick it up the ConBee II or Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah

[sour shadow]

Conbee

[serene fractal]

Zig-Ah it is hahah

[sour shadow]

Assuming you're in the UK, it's the best choice

[serene fractal]

I am 🙂

Just need to wait for it to come back into stock

[dry fossil]

The wait isn't usually that long.

[serene fractal]

Braw
Will it need a USB Extender?

If so will pick one of them up now 🙂

[sour shadow]

You should

[dry fossil]

Ideally, yes. Just to keep it away from the USB socket and avoid interference.

Especially if using USB3.

[brittle iron]

Do you happen to know if I remove the ZHA integration and re-install it, would that fix it? Would I have re-pair all the devices with the Conbee stick??

[sour shadow]

It should, if the path changed, and no you won't

[brittle iron]

Thanks - I'll give that a go.

[brittle iron]

Well, deleting ZHA and reinstalling it kind of worked. The devices were (re) discovered but all the device names and entity names have changed, and the area information has been lost. So, the dashboard now contains numerous "entity no available" errors. And many of my automations will have to be changed to refer to the new entity ID. Because I have many devices of the same types, I have no idea which device is located where or which entity is which as far as the lovelace dashboard and my automations are concerned. This is going to take me days to sort out......

[gentle flint]

Device path is not the same on the new device? If you get no such file or directory, then it wouldn't work.
Also, check the breaking changes in the release notes, if that's applicable to you

[jolly narwhal]

@brittle iron no idea how zha does that, for me it is all stored in yaml with zigbee2mqtt and will easily be restored from a backup if I reinstalled or moved to another host

You might want to figure out how to backup stuff with zha if you want to continue using it

[royal star]

Does anyone have issues with light refraction with sensors on exterior facing windows ?

My xiaomi vibration sensors get their adhesive cooked during the summer and they keep falling off every couple months

[brittle iron]

That wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. I've managed to sort out which zigbee device is which and set them to their correct areas. Then I've changed all the default entity names to those which I had before and which were showing as not available. As I changed each entity name, it showed correctly on the dashboard all the automations work again. It was a bit of an iterative process to see what the entity names were before and change them back. I have no idea why the migration via a snapshot restore screwed up the path, the device area assignments and the entity IDs but I'm now back up and running. Apart from one device which I'll delete and re-install.

[naive ivy]

This is probably going to prove to be a dangerous question for me, but does anyone have an example of using the zha.issue_cluster_command service to send a cluster command with arguments? I'm still trying to get the colorloop effect to work again on some of my bulbs.

[austere patio]

This has an example for the OTA cluster (25 is 0x0019) https://old.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/fak430/how_to_update_your_ikea_or_ledevance_firmware/

But the color loop command set is a little complicated, from what I see

What's the exact command you're trying to send?

[naive ivy]

Heh, honestly I haven't quite figured that out yet. Still looking at the Zigbee spec for that command

[tacit lance]

Is there a way to get a list of zigbee entities or devices with the ieee + entity id as a list? api call, or dump it to a csv / text file somewhere?

[naive ivy]

I'd love to somehow sniff the command that my RGBGenie remote sends; after firmware updating my bulbs Home Assistant doesn't see the colorloop capability anymore but the RGBGenie remote has no problem triggering it on the bound groups

[austere patio]

Do you have a second coordinator of any kind?

[naive ivy]

Nope

[austere patio]

If you have a SiLabs coordinator you can get it to act as a sniffer temporarily. If your remote is directly bound to the bulb it might be possible to sniff it. But that may not be necessary. What does the zigbee device signature for your newly-updated bulb look like?

[naive ivy]

https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sB7S64x7fG/

Also this one: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RwKnT4yS44/

One or the other of them never showed the colorloop in HA, the other one showed it until the firmware updated. I forget which was which. But the RGBGenie remote can trigger it on both models.

[austere patio]

What does reading the color_capabilities attribute of the first bulb give you?

[naive ivy]

bitmap16.16|8|1

Missing bit 4, IIRC. I think it just doesn't advertise the colorloop capability, but the remote doesn't care and sends the command anyway.

[austere patio]

Yeah, <ColorCapabilities.Color_temperature|XY_attributes|Hue_and_saturation: 25>

No color loop

What version of HA are you running?

[naive ivy]

Latest; 2021.5.1 I think?

Yeah.

[austere patio]

That should have custom quirk support

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#custom_quirks_path

If you don't want to edit the quirk itself

Try adding _CONSTANT_ATTRIBUTES = {0x400A: 29} to the quirk class, that should fake the attribute read so that ZHA thinks the bulb reports that it supports color loops

(if you've not already tried this)

[naive ivy]

Aha, I think that's what I was missing from my last attempt at hacking the quirk. I don't remember exactly what I did, but I certainly didn't quite know what I was doing.

Didn't find very many other quirks that override attributes, so I didn't have much inspiration to draw from

I will give that a try later and see just how badly I can break some things 😄

[austere patio]

In theory it should "just work". If you want to avoid editing the quirks library directly, make a new folder in /config/zha_custom_quirks/ and make that ZHA config option point to this directory. You can then download or copy/paste the contents of https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/blob/2f9b0c33e08dfbddb703e44ce017e0a0a9315562/zhaquirks/ledvance/a19rgbw.py into this folder and externally edit it.

[naive ivy]

Yeah, that's my plan now. Last time I think I just overrode the quirks library entirely using custom deps. custom_quirks_path should be much more elegant.

If I could also find a way to control the individual color channels on the bulbs directly, I'd be ecstatic. They're very washed out compared to my Sengled bulbs, as if maybe the white LEDs are staying on. RGB ff0000 on the Sengleds is very red. On the others, it's pretty orangeish.

Heh I think I just confirmed it. Discovered the RGBGenie remote has a button you can double-click to turn off the RGB channels. Set the light to red, double-clicked, and it's left in a dim warm white.

[austere patio]

So it's a RGBW bulb?

[naive ivy]

Yeah. I'm not sure if it's RGBWW or RGB+CCT, or even what the difference is. But it's got tunable color temperature, definitely using separate LEDs from the RGB ones.

I've tried using the new color modes in the light.turn_on service, but I don't think ZHA got support for the new color mode system yet

[austere patio]

Hmm. I don't have any color bulbs to test with but maybe it's some peculiarity with how this bulb's level control and color clusters work together

[atomic summit]

I have this weird issue where all my temperature sensors seem to see the same spikes in data, regardless of where they are or what type of device they are

[naive ivy]

It just doesn't seem to have the good sense to turn off the white channels when it should. Behavior is the same from HA or the bound remote

[austere patio]

What sensors are they?

[atomic summit]

https://imgur.com/a/8IWm9FF

one is a Xiaomi temperature/humidity sensor indoors, the other is a phillips motion sensor that happens to do temperature that is outdoors

[austere patio]

I don't think I've ever had an Aqara sensor send weird data like that, only obviously nonsensical values like -1000, which are filtered out

Are you sure it isn't an actual temperature change?

[atomic summit]

its just weird how its doing it across multiple devices at the same time

no, one of the devices in that screenshot I sent is indoors and the other is outdoors, and its late evening here so temperature is definitely just falling

[austere patio]

It's probably not a Zigbee problem then but I'd enable debug logging for your integration so you can for sure rule it out

[naive ivy]

Well, per the discussion above, I started poking at the quirk for my OSRAM lights. It looks like I can't just add _CONSTANT_ATTRIBUTES to the bulb's CustomDevice class; I need to make a custom Color cluster class, I think..

There's not much documentation I can find for the structure of a zha-device-handler class.

I was pretty sure I figured it out now, but these OSRAM bulbs just report None for their color_capabilites cluster, even before I messed with the quirk I think.

I'll try the LEDVANCE ones...

[obsidian sandal]

@austere patio posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/z9YgJZMTzj/

[austere patio]

Hey, most of those lines were empty. But the bot moved my slightly too long code block to that paste, @naive ivy

[naive ivy]

Thanks, yeah that's kinda what I'm doing now, still working on the OSRAM lights. They're still returning None for color_capabilities so far. I'm not entirely certain HA is actually using my custom quirk. I probably should enable some debug logging

[austere patio]

Debug logging would tell you which quirk is chosen (and if yours isn't, why). You can also rename the quirk class to something unique (like McSteveLedvanceA19RGBW) and the ZHA device page will you tell you which quirk is in use.

If you are trying the ZHA custom quirks feature, I'm not sure if I mentioned it earlier, but make sure to create a zha_custom_quirks/__init__.py file.

[naive ivy]

d'oh

Yeah it's not using my quirk

[austere patio]

It's not been formally documented yet so if that's not working give the old edit-the-zhaquirks-package-directly method a try

[naive ivy]

Yeah, I think I'll just try that. I'm not real sure what kind of file/folder structure custom_quirks is expecting

Of course now I can't remember exactly how I did that before 😄 ...Drop the zha_device_handlers package into /config/deps?

[austere patio]

I think it has to be like /config/deps/zhaquirks, with zhaquirks containing all of the device subfolders

Let me check with the OS

[naive ivy]

This is definitely turning into a "25 open Chrome tabs" sort of project

[austere patio]

Looks like /config/deps/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zhaquirks or something similar

[naive ivy]

Oh I remember, last time I was messing with this I just used the custom deps addon to pull a newer zha-device-handler package from pypi

I bet that had put it in /deps for me

[austere patio]

Yeah, that addon definitely can cause issues with dependency versions if downgrades zhaquirks according to its config. But if you let it install the latest release (0.0.57 in the latest HA, I believe), you should be able to edit that package from within the deps folder

[naive ivy]

Good enough for experimental purposes, until I figure out how the custom quirks dir should be used

Progress. It's definitely using my quirk now. Still returning None for the capabilities cluster, though

I added class MyColorCluster(CustomCluster, Color): _CONSTANT_ATTRIBUTES: {0x400A: 29} and changed Color in the replacement clusters to MyColorCluster

I think I did pretty much exactly what someone did for this one: https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/blob/2f9b0c33e08dfbddb703e44ce017e0a0a9315562/zhaquirks/osram/tunablewhite.py so I'm not sure yet what I'm missing

[austere patio]

And the Ledvance bulb is displaying None when you read the attribute?

[naive ivy]

Omg I found it. I had a colon where an equals sign was called for..

Success! sorta. I did what I set out to do anyway; HA now thinks the light supports colorloop

It doesn't actually work, but it's there 😄

I think these OSRAMs were the bulbs that didn't originally support colorloop in HA anyway, so maybe I'll have better luck with the LEDVANCE bulbs

[austere patio]

The 29 value is for the LEDVANCE bulb specifically (it'll be a lot clearer once the new version of zigpy is released that maps out what the bits in that bitfield represent, specifically https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy/blob/8f1f2cb4568b71a2a7eb8c1e09d38a159057469c/zigpy/zcl/clusters/lighting.py#L23-L28)

[naive ivy]

I'm almost certain the initial cap flags of the OSRAM were identical, but I'll double check that to be sure

[solid inlet]

When automation is turning off lights, sometimes a few lights don't get turned off immediately. And rarely they stay on until manually shut off. I suspect the Hue bridge more than anything, but how could I be sure? I kind of like having the Hue bridge, should anything happen to HA, I still have a way to control my lights... Thoughts?

[jolly narwhal]

Use ZigBee groups / hue groups

Does the same thing happen?

Those will be less stressful on the network atleast

[solid inlet]

That's something to try. I don't have that many lights though, but may still be a better option to use. Thanks!

[quiet pier]

i'm having intermittent issues in receiving updates for my WSDCGQ11LM sensors. They used to work fine and send updates frequently. Only thing that could be an issue is 2.4GHZ interference from my neighbours WIFI. I've configured my SSID's to broadcast on a channel that does not interfere with my Zigbee channel.

I've checked all the usual suspects like downgrading firmware, setting debounce: 1 and qos: 1 in the Zigbee2MQTT configuration. Batteries are all replaced (bought those expensive Philips CR3032 ones for 3,50 a piece) still no luck

Weird thing is, i have two that do function fine, and two that don't. I might try swapping them to see if it's the location that is causing it (and maybe pointing it to channel interference)

Does anyone else have an clue or experience in these issues?

[jolly narwhal]

do you have sufficient amount of routers ? that actually work and don't get powered off frequently ?

[quiet pier]

I have a single CC2531 router, two ZNCZ04LM, one ZNCZ03LM and some Ikea GU10 bulbs that act as a router. So assuming that's enough. Also checked if one of the bulbs are connected via a incompatible router, which it isn't (don't have incompatible routers in my network)

[jolly narwhal]

router ? or coordinator ?

the cc2531 that is

[quiet pier]

oh, yeah i ment coordinator

[sour shadow]

😦

[jolly narwhal]

so the worst possible option

[sour shadow]

QOS and debounce have no impact on the Zigbee mesh though

[jolly narwhal]

and depending on the placement maybe directly connected to the temp sensor and not going through a gu10 🤷

[violet dagger]

open the map and check

[quiet pier]

which one should i get then? CC2538 or the 2592?

[sour shadow]

Neither

CC2652

[quiet pier]

The ones that are upstairs and outside in the shed work fine, the one that is in my network rack and living room isn't working.

[jolly narwhal]

CC25 == shit

CC26

[quiet pier]

Ahh, the one with the antenna. Allrite i'll check if i can get one in the near future

[sour shadow]

the one that is in my network rack
Sounds like RF interference/all that metal blocking them

[jolly narwhal]

if it is INSIDE a metal rack

you are going to have a bad time

[quiet pier]

it worked for 2 years, and do not have a metal rack as in a 19" cabinet or something. Just two Microservers and a NUC in a network closet

I'll order a CC2652, try moving the sensors around to rule out sensor issues and/or placement

I'll upgrade Zigbee2MQTT to the latest version as well as that had some features i really liked. Currently running 1.14.3 as that was my firmware before all the issues started

But since downgrading didn't fix my issues, i ruled out firmware being the cause.

[sour shadow]

1.14

Time to upgrade 😄

[quiet pier]

was on 1.18.1 haha

[sour shadow]

So, the good news is that the software has nothing to do with the device communication - that's entirely between the stick and the device

Upgrading and downgrading won't cause devices to misbehave

[quiet pier]

Allright, good to know. Didn't know so i was trying to rule out stuff by downgrading

Want to do some automations based on these sensors, and would like to have recent data. Not data from 2 hours ago

Also, one of the misbehaving sensors had a really weird graph, from 14:00 to 04:45 it was updating only every 2 hours, and after that it suddenly started updating on every 0.01 temperature change 🥲 Can't post pictures here but if you want i can upload to Imgur

[jolly narwhal]

None of my temp sensors do anything out of the ordinary

[quiet pier]

But you have (assuming) the CC2652 coordinator? 😃 And no RF inteference?

[jolly narwhal]

well, I don't have temperature sensors inside metal cages either 😄

[quiet pier]

No i don't either

[jolly narwhal]

but I do have 6 active access points + bluetooth devices all around my house

[sour shadow]

I had no issues on the CC2531 either, but I did ensure I had a strong mesh

[jolly narwhal]

Probably my most updated sensor with bathroom temperature

[quiet pier]

Hmm yeah. Well i'll order a CC2652 for ~25eur so i can retire my CC2531 after 3.5 years now. the CC2652 has a added bonus for me as i can flash the thing myself without buying a debugger.

Another quick question, what's the difference between the CC2652p, CC2652RB and the CC2652P2?

[sour shadow]

Power

[quiet pier]

Trying to digest the data sheets on those but a lot to take in

[sour shadow]

https://electrolama.com/radio-docs/advanced/ti-part-numbers/

[quiet pier]

Sweet, so the R is preferred over the P?

[sour shadow]

P is preferred, since it's more sensitive/can transmit with more power (with the right firmware)

It's also more expensive AFAIK, which is why most folks started with the basic unit

[jolly narwhal]

I should reuse my 1352P2 for something soon

if only some cool sub ghz stuff was avaliable

I could use that instead of LoRA perhaps

for up to 100km range

[sour shadow]

Eh, just crank up the transmit power

[jolly narwhal]

[quiet pier]

Thanks for the quick responses and information guys!

[thick plover]

anyone care to explain how the aqara vibration sensors work? Have slapped one on our dishwasher and it exposes strength which I assume is the strength of the vibration?

[jolly narwhal]

Did you try reading the docs ? 😄

The strength value, which is reported every 300 seconds after vibration is detected, is the max strength measured during a period of 300 second.```

[thick plover]

no

It’s weird because the strength the last two hours has been 10, I’ve just put the dishwasher on and it’s now 9...

Also, mfw the wife turns the lights off at the switch halfway through a firmware update right after I tell her leave them on because I’m updating them...

https://images.app.goo.gl/9ti3stcH5gh99G4x7

Pic related...

[sour shadow]

Yet another reason why putting smart bulbs on dumb switches is ... dumb 😛

[jolly narwhal]

you guys touch your switches?

😄

[sour shadow]

I don't bother with smart bulbs on dumb switches

If it's a switch, the switch should be smart

[thick plover]

She does

[violet dagger]

you just need to program your wife better

[thick plover]

I’ve replaced most switches with a blank plate and stuck a hue dimmer on top

But this one has an exhaust fan that I am yet to smarten up

[thick plover]

If the lights are bricked I’ll be considering a trade in deal

[violet dagger]

i have a secret way of dealing with that, i wait until she's asleep

[thick plover]

Yeah to be fair that is a great idea

I’ll take it onboard

[jolly narwhal]

Yeah, but seriously, we just don't use switches anymore, even guests realize the lights are automatic

so the switches just stay in the on position

the only exception is my daughters room

[thick plover]

your daughter must be like my wife...

yeah I am doing my best to do away with them, but will need to run neutrals down to the switches

[jolly narwhal]

kids enjoy buttons

😄

[thick plover]

need switches for when parents etc stay

[jolly narwhal]

there are no neutral zigbee switches

[thick plover]

I was gonna chuck shellys in them

wifi i know... but coupled with zigbee lights

also, the vibration sensor...

Triggered action (e.g. a button click). Value can be found in the published state on the action property. It’s not possible to read (/get) or write (/set) this value. The possible values are: vibration, tilt, drop.

so was looking at the wrong one 🙂

I also got told off for how ugly the new aqara motion sensors are in the corners of the living room.... they are so tiny. Told her not to look at them, who the hell looks at corners of a room all day?

[versed oyster]

Hey Guys, has anyone got experience with the Tuya ZM-RT201 with ZHA? Or maybe a custom quirk for it?

[gloomy scroll]

Hi all. I'm struggling with a bunch of Philips Hue and IKEA Trådfri bulbs not working as expected.
I've removed deConz several weeks / months ago and I'm now using the ZHA integration and it's been working quite good for a long time.
I get this error when booting my NUC (Running Core 2021.5.1, Supervisor 2021.04.3 and HAOS 5.13 (Conbee and did a FW flash to 0x26390500 minutes ago)
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zigpy_deconz/api.py", line 544, in _aps_data_confirm

[gloomy scroll]

One of the issues is a nonresponsive Philips Hue bulb. I install it, it's being detected, flashes for ack and then it's just not responding to anything. Other issues are lights turning themselves on and off randomly. I haven't set up any groups or other dependencies.

[echo lava]

Hi! I am having strange issues with my Zigbee network. Some lights turn on another light, and some lights in a group often will not respond at all. Have just moved from a Raspberry Pi3 to an old laptop running Debian and Homeassistant. Would like to setup the Zigbee network from scratch. What is the right way of doing this? Resetting and adding things the right way. Using a Conbee II and ZHA. All the lights are Ikea tradri.

[sour shadow]

As mentioned in the topic, which Zigbee integration are you using?

[echo lava]

Sorry! I am using a Conbee II and ZHA.

[blissful nacelle]

Are there any generic zigbee repeaters? (by generic I mean repeaters that work with all brands of end devices)

[sour shadow]

The custom ones, based on the TI chips, seem to be pretty generic

[wise sphinx]

i have just bought another zigbee sonoff, and found out that home assistant only support one, why?

[sour shadow]

What Zigbee Sonoff?

A mesh can only have one coordinator if that's what you bought

A mesh can only have one coordinator if that's what you bought

[wise sphinx]

https://sonoff.tech/product/smart-home-security/zbbridge/

i have 2 coordinators, each for a diffrerent floor of the house

[sour shadow]

Why?

The mesh can span multiple floors - it's designed to work that way

[wise sphinx]

it is not strong enought for both

[restive crest]

Hi guys, I bought the lumi.switch.n0agl1, it somewhat works, however, it is identified as a lightbulb and not a switch. So I cannot toggle it from lovelace, but sending zha_cluster_command works fine.

[sour shadow]

The mesh can span multiple floors - it's designed to work that way

Just add routers

[wise sphinx]

cannot allways add routers depends on the electricity, sonoff adds the option for wifi

[sour shadow]

Then you need to flash them with alternative firmware and also use zha or Zigbee2MQTT

[wise sphinx]

i flashed with tasmota, but can add only one zha

[sour shadow]

So add Zigbee2MQTT for the other

[wise sphinx]

why the limitation?

[sour shadow]

Because it's not normal to try to run multiple meshes

[wise sphinx]

on the internet a lot of people need this

[sour shadow]

So... help the developers by submitting such a feature

If you can power another coordinator you can power a router or two - there are USB based routers after all

[wise sphinx]

i will look, the advanctage of sonoff is that it passed the zigbee on the wifi so the main network is wifi and not zigbee

[sour shadow]

Advantage...
I do not think that means what you think it means

Sonoff ZBBridge Zigbee WiFi Bridge gateway re-flashed with Tasmota (though it not recommended since the WiFi connection does not make for a stable solution)

WiFi and Zigbee overlap and deliberately adding interference isn't a good plan IMO

[wise sphinx]

the one i have on the top floor works nicely

[forest cobalt]

Zigbee and WiFi on the same box is a recipe for disaster.

[wise sphinx]

i am actually thinking of adding a secound home assistant just for this 😦

[forest cobalt]

Why not just get a quality coordinator and add some good routers?

I guarantee you that you are going to run into issues with multiple meshes in close proximity.

[austere patio]

I don't think it really make a difference if you have two meshes running side by side, you just won't benefit from the routing capacity of both

[violet dagger]

Why are people even buying zigbee if they intend to use it as wifi?

Zigbee is designed to be stronger with a mesh of routers. Ignoring that and trying to make multiple zigbee networks is going against the design

[austere patio]

There was that guy a while ago who wanted Zigbee in a concrete garage two floors below his main network. If your network is basically two lobes connected by a string of routers, it's probably not a great design

[violet dagger]

Extreme case

I could complain i cannot keep my office and my house in the same network doo

[austere patio]

Though if you can get the Sonoff bridge to connect to WiFi, you're probably in Zigbee range (unless you have multiple APs)

[sour shadow]

If you need multiple meshes the answer is to use not ZHA for the other meshes - and Zigbee2MQTT makes that trivial

[smoky marten]

hi, i was trying to use a Tradfri Wireless Dimmer (https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Ikea_ICTC-G-1.html) using the ZHA integration and a conbee 2. It picks it up as usual but it only shows 1 entity for battery %. Does anybody know how to get it to work so i can dim my lights?

[unborn hill]

Is it possible to create ZHA groups with smart light bulbs right now? I remember using zha awhile back and thought I could do that but I just got back into using zha again and can’t figure out how to bind lights into a group anymore

[violet dagger]

Use device triggers

[smoky marten]

Hey, I dont know how that works? could you briefly explain?

[violet dagger]

How are you using HA if you don't know how that works?

Click the little plus next to Automations in device card

[sour shadow]

Eh, lots of people don't know about Device triggers/conditions/actions

[smoky marten]

oh you mean just add the device to a automation as a trigger. No i know how that works. But I cant use the device as a Trigger because it doesnt even show a usable Entity

[sour shadow]

https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/automation/trigger/#device-triggers

[violet dagger]

Triggers don't have entities

Just click that plus instead of assuming you know how it works

[smoky marten]

you havin a bad day?

[sour shadow]

He usually is 😛

[smoky marten]

okay haha

[sour shadow]

Device triggers don't use entities though, he's right

[smoky marten]

https://i.imgur.com/UYUK19j.png

this is what that looks like

[sour shadow]

Go to the automation editor instead

See if that shows it

[violet dagger]

My default state is having a bad day

Did you use the dimmer after pairing so the triggers get recognized?

[smoky marten]

in the automation editor it only shows battery level change and device offline

well i turned it after pairing yes

https://i.imgur.com/V6VVww7.png

[violet dagger]

Then you'll have to go manual and catch events in the services tab if there are any

[smoky marten]

in the developer tools? do i have to listen to a specific topic?

[mellow geode]

I would use direct binding (bind the dimmer to a group using the Manage Clusters option in which the lights are in).

[mellow geode]

Enter zha_event in the text field at the bottom and press Start Listening.

I’d still recommend direct binding for these dimmers though.

[smoky marten]

Im not using Tradfri lights though or does that not matter?

[mellow geode]

Also, please create an issue on the zha-device-handlers repo, as the device triggers are missing and the battery state only shows half of what the percentage actually is. Post the device signature there and tag me, if you have time to do that.

[mellow geode]

Doesn’t matter.

[smoky marten]

thank you. i just rebound the device and now suddenly the events are fired in dev tools

Ill try to get it work

[mellow geode]

If you wanna bind the dimmer to a ZHA group, I think LevelControl, OnOff, Scenes (and Groups?) clusters need to be bound.

[smoky marten]

oh dude i have no idea what all of that is. Ill just try to get it to work with automations listening for events i guess

[foggy sierra]

@molten linden thank you they arrived today very quickly cant wait to start trying them out.

[forest cobalt]

@foggy sierra You won't be disappointed.

[foggy sierra]

ill get it hooked in today. still waiting on some actual zigbee items to arrive before i can really test it

[forest cobalt]

LOL Yeah, those are kinda required 😉

[foggy sierra]

@forest cobalt one quick question and i can look it up but is there any struggle to changing the setup from the conbee2 to these? i have nothing setup just installed zha and pointed it to the stick.

[forest cobalt]

Nope. You should be able to just remove the ZHA integration and pull the conbee2 out. Then, just re-do the ZHA integration pointing to the new coordinator.

Since you don't have any devices setup, it's a simple swap.

[foggy sierra]

Awesome thanks

[molten linden]

might be worth deleting the zigbee.db in the config folder as well, just to get a clean re-start of zha

[foggy sierra]

will do

[forest cobalt]

That's right... I have to remember that removing the ZHA integration doesn't automatically clean up the zigbee.db file... Sad part is that bit me in the ass once (or twice, or 14 times lol).

[foggy sierra]

ok i think one last question on installing them

what do i look for in the logs to identify this

its the usb

[forest cobalt]

Are you using HAOS?

[foggy sierra]

i think the correct answer is yes

im using a pi with ha installed direct

so i think what your asking is yes

[forest cobalt]

Ok, then yes is the right answer. @molten linden will have to answer that. I'm not 100% sure.

[foggy sierra]

its just i have 3 usb devices when i install and i just want to make sure i pick the right one

for the conbee i was able to id it in the logs so i could pick the right one

[molten linden]

its won't hurt if you pick the wrong one.

[foggy sierra]

ok

[molten linden]

the probe will fail

it should show in the list of available ports when you go to add the ZHA integration.

that was the last USB one I had on hand otherwise I'd do it right not to confirm

[foggy sierra]

lol i know

i checked out quick in case

ok i think it installed correctly

its id as texas intrruments zstack

ok so eta when i bought was june 5th for zigbee items to show so ill start testing everything when they arrive

thanks

[molten linden]

nice!

[unborn compass]

does your zzh still randomly drop off the network as a router? (assume it is a firmware thing?)

[sour shadow]

Nah, it seems to be fine - it looks like it's mostly a reporting bug/feature

It doesn't respond to Z2M's "ping" but otherwise works

[molten linden]

🇵 🇴 🇪 🤯 https://imgur.com/a/VoApkcz

[unborn compass]

hmm. OK. mine will just randomly disappear from the webui and nothing in logs as well. i'll play around. thanks.

[wide nimbus]

WTB

[molten linden]

need to run it for a bit. and design a case.

[violet dagger]

Ooh it's round

[molten linden]

tubes are round right?

[violet dagger]

Well no, they're tubular

[molten linden]

the case will be a short tube. 🤣

[violet dagger]

Internet is made out of tubes anyway

[foggy sierra]

hey there @molten linden i was just trying to get something paired and i have a spruce sensor. its not working properly. i got it to show everything but battery and in my searching it seems to be a bug and i think you mentioned it in the github. if you are aware of this im trying to figure out what they want me to do to solve it. looks like it was solved april 15 2020

does this sound like something you know about

[molten linden]

The spruce soil sensors?

[foggy sierra]

yes

[molten linden]

let me look at what mine are saying.

[foggy sierra]

im only asking you cause it looked like you responded in the forum for it so if you not sure no worries ill keep digging

the header of the item they have is zhaquirks/plaid/soil.py

so im not sure if im supposed to put the fiule there

[molten linden]

mine fell offline at some point, they have been outside for quite some time now.

[foggy sierra]

ok

no worries ill keep digging thanks

[molten linden]

yea that's it.

I believe the device reports itself as powered by mains instead of battery, and the quirk addresses that.

[foggy sierra]

yes thats what ive been reading

and they have a fix listed which just looks like a code update but im just not sure how to apply it

[molten linden]

what's the link on the forum.. it's been a while.

[foggy sierra]

https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/pull/329/files

[molten linden]

that's merged and part of the code now - so it should be okay now. I'll re-join mine at somepoint today at least one of them (I have 2). maybe something broke.

[foggy sierra]

ohh ok so if im on the latest ha

i should be good

i dont think i had even installed ha when this was fixed. so if thats the case ill just remove it and readd it and try again

[foggy sierra]

ok a couple of remove and adds and reboots i got all 3 now

[feral wolf]

Anyone else have their conbee2 stop working in the last week? Quite frustrating as the ZHA integration was the stable one compared to Z-wave. Most, but not all, of my Zigbee devices are now greyed out. Tried upping the debugging level per the directions, but didn't see much traffic in the logs

[austere patio]

Can you post the logs?

Also, when was the last time you restarted HA prior to this update?

[feral wolf]

which logs specifically would be helpful? HA probably gets restarted once or twice a week ... not exactly sure when the last time was. I did verify that the USB device is correct

[austere patio]

If you enabled https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging, the main home-assistant.log

[feral wolf]

sigh. Now it looks like I have database corruption too.

[austere patio]

The main home assistant database or zigbee.db?

[feral wolf]

Main HA database. Unfortunately from restoring snapshots trying to get things working.

I'm going to address that problem first, I guess

[austere patio]

If the main HA database is corrupted I'd check the zigbee database as well: sqlite3 /path/to/zigbee.db 'pragma integrity_check'

[feral wolf]

hmm

says OK

[cloud wind]

Okay, so I got around to pairing both generations of the Xfinity Keypads and they both work somewhat. Now how do we program codes into these things because when I armed it, I couldn’t disarm from the UI nor the Keypad

[blazing dagger]

I added a keypad to homeassistant, but it's not showing any of the keypresses

I have a whole bunch of endpoints, how would I use them in homeassistant

[blazing dagger]

How did you get the keypad working? What do you see?

[cloud wind]

It’s paired and available in Home Assistant. It’s defaulted to pin code 1234 which I am trying to figure out how to change it

[blazing dagger]

What do you see as entites?

https://imgur.com/a/A7fEe5O

[cloud wind]

Alarm Keypad, Temp Sensor and non-functioning battery sensor

[blazing dagger]

I just get this

[blazing dagger]

What's the sensor name for the alarm keypad?

[molten linden]

https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues/838#issuecomment-833879534

"you can set the code in the zha config panel"

[cloud wind]

I can’t post pics but if you look at Tube’s link, same devices

[blazing dagger]

Apparently I have to modify the registries.py in the components folder

but Idk how to edit that when running w/ docker

used vi okay now I wait

Ooh ok!

Now I have the alarm sensor

Are you supposed to be able to arm with any code?

[blazing dagger]

Have you tried changing this and then trying it from the UI? https://github.com/home-assistant/core/pull/50235

[cloud wind]

Yup, worked as should

[blazing dagger]

How do you edit it from the UI?

I can't find that part of the thing

[cloud wind]

Integrations>Zigbee (Click on Configure)

[blazing dagger]

Does anyone have a suggestion for a zigbee repeater?

Plugs are supposed to work right? What would you guys recommend for a cheap zigbee plug that works as a repeater

[cloud wind]

Xfinity Outlet plugs, they should be dirt cheap on eBay and they act as coordinators

[austere patio]

IKEA plugs, though they take up a bit of room

[blazing dagger]

Thanks for the ideas. Do you know of anything that's amazon prime? I can't connect to my door sensor so I'm basically trying to get this stuff asap

[tiny bramble]

Does anybody know a way to expose hue dimmer switches available in ha to homekit? Tha hass bridge does not care if I use hue integration, zha conbee2 or mqtt-zigbeemqtt-conbee2 to the the dimmers into ha, it will not expose them to homekit 😭

homebridge-z2m by the way exposes them using the same zigbeemqtt data

[obsidian sandal]

@tiny bramble Please DO NOT cross post. Read the channel description, post it and wait for folks to respond.

If you don't get any responses after an hour or more, and your message is no longer on screen, it is fine to re-post or post a link to it.

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[sour shadow]

You were right the first time, this is about Homekit, and belongs in #integrations-archived

[tiny bramble]

surely it is about homekit, but as it is also related to zigbee (because those are zigbee devices) I was hoping someone else uses them and wants/has them exposed to homekit in some way using ha

[sour shadow]

It doesn't really matter where the data comes from, that's the nature of HA 😉

[junior viper]

Anyone using ConBee 2 in UnRAID/Docker?

[junior viper]

Anyway, trying to pair ZigBee Devices (Trådfri) to my ConBee in ZHA (Dockerized Homeassistant), getting: [0x0000:zdo] ZDO request ZDOCmd.Mgmt_Permit_Joining_req: [60, <Bool.false: 0>]

[tiny bramble]

@junior viper you have to hand over the device to the docker container and than use that device in the zha integration I used it successfully yesterday using a devices section in docker-compose.yml
#devices:
# - /dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden_elektronik_ingenieurtechnik_GmbH_ConBee_II_DE2432652-if00:/dev/ttyACM0
I handed in the /dev/serial/by-id... devices and made it availabe as /dev/ttyACM0 in the container

[junior viper]

Hmm.. The device is added in the settings for my HA as /dev/ttyACM0, which should work bc my Z-Wave sitting on ttyACM1 works fine

In the settings for my HA Docker Container*

And the device is visible in HA as well since ZHA is up and running

[tiny bramble]

have you tried restarting the zha integration - sometimes playing the the conbee2 the device gets a hickup and just restarting the integration or ha helped

[junior viper]

I can try, tried restarting HA several times, no change

On/off 6 times, lamp jumps in the "pairing mode/blink mode", not a single sh*t in ZHA 😄

[ivory hound]

oh nooo, another conbee issue 🙂

[junior viper]

😦

For sale: 60+ Zigbee devices

Imma stick to regular bulbs for now

Better to use SpaceInvaderOne's Deconz Unraid app and point HA to that?

Not sure if that will solve my issues tho

[tiny bramble]

or zha, don't know and as it never happend when not heavingly playing around like trying to bind a dimmer to a bulb or group of bulbs or repeatedly (10 times or more) starting a pairing process , this is no show stopper for me. HA not exposing hue dimmers to homekit currently is...

[junior viper]

I'd love to use Z2MQTT instead

[tiny bramble]

@junior viper Than use it, from yesterdays testing I can say it works, too

[junior viper]

Will try, but it won't integrate with HA I guess since it's separated

[tiny bramble]

conbee2 - zigbee2mqtt - mqtt broker - mqtt client in ha

[junior viper]

Ah, so instead of using MQTT in Unraid, I'd stick to ZigBee2MQTT instead?

[tiny bramble]

you need to use the zigbee2mqtt frontend to pair your devices though

[junior viper]

at ZStackAdapter.<anonymous> (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/dist/adapter/z-stack/adapter/zStackAdapter.js:94:31)
at Generator.throw (<anonymous>)
at rejected (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/dist/adapter/z-stack/adapter/zStackAdapter.js:25:65)

duhhh

Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-05-11 02:22:12: Error: Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)

[sour shadow]

Looks like the adapter isn't connected to the Zigbee2MQTT container

[junior viper]

It wasn't, didn't like the /dev/ttyACM0. Swapped to /dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden_elektronik_ingenieurtechnik_GmbH_ConBee_II_DE2402401-if00

@sour shadow - is this you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbkXQErileU&t=202s

[sour shadow]

No

[sand trout]

Anyone have a recommendation for a good coördinator zigbee2mqtt? Not the Electrolama zig-a-zig-ah! (zzh!) Or Slaesh's CC2652RB stick because they are out of stock

[sour shadow]

Any CC2652/CC2652p2 based stick

See the official Z2M list or the pinned messages

[junior viper]

ConBee II (experimental) 😆

[junior viper]

This is getting ridiculous

Tried /dev/ttyACM0 along with /dev/serial/by-id/blablabla-dresden-blabla

Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-05-11 03:17:32: Error: Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)

[sour shadow]

Make sure no other container has it

[junior viper]

Just one: zigbee2mqtt

[sour shadow]

Well, either:

1. The adapter isn't connected
2. The adapter needs reset
3. Something else is using it

[junior viper]

Reset, how?

[obsidian sandal]

:point_up: Let me Google that for you...

Here , try this:
http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=SRSP+-+SYS+-+ping+after+6000ms

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[sour shadow]

Depends on the stick type, but many have a reset button

[junior viper]

Conbee II, no physical reset button

[sour shadow]

Take it out for 30 seconds and cross your fingers?

[junior viper]

😆

[sour shadow]

Other than for use with deCONZ the Conbee isn't a great stick, sadly

[junior viper]

nvm

[sour shadow]

For Zigbee2MQTT... see the official list

[junior viper]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_adapters.html

[sour shadow]

CC2652p/CC2652 based are the best choices

[junior viper]

It works fine in RBPi4, but since I hate that I'll try sticking to UnRAID

[sour shadow]

The Pi will run Z2M just fine

[junior viper]

Yeah, it did work successfully

In supervisor which is fully integrated

Now running docker it has some limitations ..

[forest cobalt]

Are you trying to pass the conbee2 into a docker container on unraid? I had TONS of problems when I tested that awhile back.

[junior viper]

Yep, the actual passing works since I can see the stick in HA

[forest cobalt]

Unraid 6.9.2?

[junior viper]

Correct

[forest cobalt]

And Z2M is running as an add-on under supervised, right?

[junior viper]

No no, I'm using Hassio Docker

homeassistant
linuxserver's Repository

[forest cobalt]

Ahhhh, ok. Container. Gotcha. and Z2M is in another container?

[junior viper]

Correct 🙂

[forest cobalt]

If you ssh into your Unraid box, what do you see in lsblk? Does the conbee show up?

[junior viper]

Might get back to RBPi4 instead, I'd love to get it up and running in UnRAID since it's waaay faster

I can see it by the GUI

Tools -> System Devices ->

Bus 003 Device 021: ID 1cf1:0030 Dresden Elektronik ConBee II

[forest cobalt]

The GUI sometimes lies. Let me plug mine in and see what it should be under lsblk.

1 sec

[sour shadow]

[junior viper]

lsusb
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:8000 Intel Corp.
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:8008 Intel Corp.
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 004: ID 054c:05b9 Sony Corp. Storage Media
Bus 004 Device 003: ID 045b:0210 Hitachi, Ltd
Bus 004 Device 002: ID 045b:0210 Hitachi, Ltd
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 021: ID 1cf1:0030 Dresden Elektronik ConBee II
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 045b:0209 Hitachi, Ltd
Bus 003 Device 048: ID 0658:0200 Sigma Designs, Inc.
Bus 003 Device 003: ID 045b:0209 Hitachi, Ltd
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

[obsidian sandal]

@junior viper Please use https://paste.ubuntu.com/ to share code or logs. Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view.

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[junior viper]

What port are you using @forest cobalt? 2.0 or 3.0?

[forest cobalt]

So, oddly enough, I just popped mine into my server aaannnddd... nothing. Doesn't show up in lsusb.

2.0

[junior viper]

wow

ConBee?

[forest cobalt]

Yup

[jolly narwhal]

[forest cobalt]

For whatever reason, under Unraid, some usb devices just suck and are really hit or miss. The conbee2 on Unraid has always given me issues.

[jolly narwhal]

eirikz@raspberrypi:~ $ lsusb
Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0451:bef3 Texas Instruments, Inc. CC1352R1 Launchpad
Bus 001 Device 008: ID 1a86:7523 QinHeng Electronics HL-340 USB-Serial adapter
Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0764:0601 Cyber Power System, Inc. PR1500LCDRT2U UPS
Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0424:7800 Standard Microsystems Corp. 
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0424:2514 Standard Microsystems Corp. USB 2.0 Hub
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:2514 Standard Microsystems Corp. USB 2.0 Hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

[junior viper]

Ok, will be RBPi then ..

[forest cobalt]

LOL atx... wait... you have Unraid?! 🤨

[jolly narwhal]

no

🤢

[forest cobalt]

lol

[jolly narwhal]

raspberry pi is enough for me

🤢

[junior viper]

hahah

[forest cobalt]

rPi NAS? 😉

[jolly narwhal]

is my 24c\128G host not enough for docker you say ?

[junior viper]

rofl

[forest cobalt]

You're woefully underpowered... you need to double your cores (and threads)... latest docker requirements is 48c\256gb ram... 😉 lol

[junior viper]

💯

[violet dagger]

not even a 1tb of ram pls

[forest cobalt]

LMAO

Right?! I feel so let down by atx's server now.

[jolly narwhal]

eirikz@mirai ~ % cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal
MemTotal:       131997888 kB
eirikz@mirai ~ % cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor | wc -l
24
eirikz@mirai ~ % sudo zpool list
[sudo] password for eirikz: 
NAME         SIZE  ALLOC   FREE  CKPOINT  EXPANDSZ   FRAG    CAP  DEDUP    HEALTH  ALTROOT
Storage     36.3T  25.4T  10.9T        -         -    15%    69%  1.00x    ONLINE  /mnt
Storage2TB  5.44T  10.5G  5.43T        -         -     0%     0%  1.00x    ONLINE  /mnt
Storage6TB  16.4T  2.87T  13.5T        -         -     4%    17%  1.00x    ONLINE  /mnt
boot-pool    262G  32.8G   229G        -         -     2%    12%  1.00x    ONLINE  -

[junior viper]

Plz format it heheh

cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal
MemTotal: 16290028 kB

😦

[violet dagger]

mine is so tiny in comparison

[jolly narwhal]

still nagging about that new 56c\512GB host I am needing

[junior viper]

Are you farming Chia?

[jolly narwhal]

No

[junior viper]

Puh.. good

[jolly narwhal]

cryptocurrency is for shitkids

[junior viper]

agree'd

[forest cobalt]

LOL I just FINALLY talked my kid into doing stocks instead of crypto.

[junior viper]

Anyway.. Still don't know why in the earth the HassOS on RBPi takes forever in starting

[violet dagger]

why are you ruining your child?

[jolly narwhal]

HassOS 🤢

[junior viper]

In another OS/Hypervisor it starts instantly

[forest cobalt]

Because crypto is too volatile for him. He's the kind of kid that really doesn't like risk.

[junior viper]

Save in funds

[jolly narwhal]

No time for that risk stuff, just get a proper paying job

[junior viper]

Or index stocks

[forest cobalt]

Eh, to be fair, he got himself a good IT gig (running win servers 🤮 ) at a law firm... so, that's good at least.

[violet dagger]

i prefer my 100% gains

[jolly narwhal]

I've got about $15k in stocks somewhere, but it is all invested for me automatically and I just get more every year without paying for it

[forest cobalt]

Which version of docker are you running on rPi? Did you install it from the os repos or docker's repos?

[junior viper]

Not even using Docker natively on HassOS

Ah, OS repos*

[violet dagger]

i've invested 6k in crypto in the past 4 months, now its 18k and its staked or yielding so it has at least 3% extra gains yearly

meanwhile my index fund is -0,4%

[forest cobalt]

Wait... Ohhhhh, duh... you're running Container on your Unraid. Right? So why not just run Z2M on the rPi and leave your HA install on Unraid?

[forest cobalt]

Stop that.

[junior viper]

why

[junior viper]

Do-able, but still wan't to get rid of that f*king Pi

Keep everything on the same host

[forest cobalt]

The os repos usually have older versions and/or craptastic crap in them. Use the convenience script: https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/debian/#install-using-the-convenience-script

[junior viper]

I'll stick to Ubuntu Docker then

[forest cobalt]

The nice thing about having Z2M on the rPi is that you can separate it and isolate the stick from interference from other devices.

[junior viper]

Not touching Raspbian 🤮

true that ..

[jolly narwhal]

ubuntu server 🤢

[forest cobalt]

Even for Ubuntu, I'd still go with the official docker repos over the os ones.

[jolly narwhal]

raspbian lite is fine, or debian

[junior viper]

Ok, I'll download TempleOS using my Token Ring network connected to SkyNet over my ears

[forest cobalt]

LMAO

[jolly narwhal]

[junior viper]

Lite is headless, right?

Without the crappy VNC etc

[jolly narwhal]

yes

[forest cobalt]

Yup

[junior viper]

DHCP on if?

[jolly narwhal]

sure

but use dhcp reservations

[junior viper]

good, don't wan't to find a micro-dicro-hdmi

nah, I'll ssh first, then static IP

[forest cobalt]

Even better.

[jolly narwhal]

eh, I avoid static IPs except on routers and core network switches

and domain controllers

[forest cobalt]

Did raspbian ever adopt netplan?

[junior viper]

eh, are you a networking guy or what?

Or getting enormous e-pen following best practices 101%

static ip and dhcp with reservation is kinda the exact same thing

[jolly narwhal]

I've worked with networking for over 20 years

does that count ?

static ip and dhcp reservation is NOT The same thing

[junior viper]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ don't know, I'm behind 10+ years in networking

[jolly narwhal]

the end result is similar

[forest cobalt]

If you're using "kinda" loosely, then sure. 😉

[junior viper]

Ok gurus, let's drop the networking thing and focus on the actual problem here 🙂

[forest cobalt]

Until your DHCP servers on both subnets crap out on you because Redhat decided to push a bad update to (pre-coffee) dhcpcd 😉

[jolly narwhal]

your systems go down ?

😄

best regards working with 100% uptime systems

[forest cobalt]

Run z2m on the rPi with the conbee2 attached. Problem solved 🙂 lol

[junior viper]

atxbyea sell pitch: "Ever heard of 9, 10 or eleven nine's? We're working with ∞ 9's"

[forest cobalt]

Atx: Yeah, once... years ago. LOL

[jolly narwhal]

Most of the systems I work with are 5-6 9s, but a large portion of it is becoming 100

[junior viper]

Cool

[jolly narwhal]

more and more every week

[junior viper]

Only 100% I'm aware of is R53

100% SLA

[jolly narwhal]

we even pay customers if our systems go down

per minute

[junior viper]

That's a default behaviour

[jolly narwhal]

⛔

[junior viper]

Anyone out here successfully booted RBPi from USB? (not SSD, but USB drive)

[jolly narwhal]

yes

[junior viper]

By updating Bootloader?

[jolly narwhal]

probably, I did it years ago

[junior viper]

as seen here: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md **

okey

[jolly narwhal]

must be three years probably

3b+

[junior viper]

Ok so not on R4

[forest cobalt]

The rPi4 latest firmware has usb boot support built-in IIRC.

[junior viper]

ssh: connect to host x.y.z port 22: Connection refused

[jolly narwhal]

because you didn't follow the guide to enable ssh

[junior viper]

😆 classic, so sshd not enabled by default

[jolly narwhal]

no

[junior viper]

kill me

[jolly narwhal]

it is touching a single file on the filesystem

so easy peasy

[junior viper]

🙂

[forest cobalt]

When you're building the USB device, run touch ssh on the boot volume.

[jolly narwhal]

[junior viper]

How do I best melt down my Fortigate 4200F?

Flame thrower?

[tawdry cradle]

industrial microwave

[junior viper]

PSA: Requires home things

[jolly narwhal]

Fortigate, haven't seen one of those in a few years

[junior viper]

Light years better than any competitor imho

[jolly narwhal]

they were big in the mid 00s, but I haven't seen one since... 2018

[junior viper]

Close to Palo Alto's

[jolly narwhal]

Close, but most customers choose palo 😉

[junior viper]

Shifts from year to year

[jolly narwhal]

not really, it is just going one way since 2018 imo

[junior viper]

as long as my customers don't go to Cisco or any other crappy vendor

[jolly narwhal]

but what do I know, I only visit a couple of hundred customer sites per year

😄

[junior viper]

Never heard a single customer with 100% Cisco/Meraki/Nexus/HPE/Juniper/Extreme/Aruba satisfied with their L2/L3 network

Only vendor I've heard good things from is Arista in terms of L2

[jolly narwhal]

You haven't visited a lot of Cisco fanboi sites then

it all works perfectly

what is that ACI bug you are hitting there ?

don't look

[tawdry cradle]

you fella's in enterprise or business?

[junior viper]

😄 I'm glad I've got rid of physical devices aka "adidas tech-jobs"

Enterprise

But sometimes I might ssh into one router or two

[jolly narwhal]

Mission critical enterprise

SMB

[junior viper]

CIFS

[tawdry cradle]

lol

[junior viper]

😉

Cisco/HPE: Customers with big wallets will filter or list "Price: Descending" and select #1

And pay for licenses 100 years upfront

[jolly narwhal]

Psssh, then I would sell HPE NonStop every week

It only happens once every three years

[junior viper]

haha

There's fanboi's everywhere

[tawdry cradle]

You'll never guess where I am at the moment then

[jolly narwhal]

In my basement

[junior viper]

Equinix AM2?

[tawdry cradle]

ah well that sucks I can't upload photos

[junior viper]

😄

[tawdry cradle]

lol not AM2

[obsidian sandal]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images.

Command '.images' was invoked by: atxbyea

[tawdry cradle]

SYD4

[junior viper]

Aussie Boy?

[tawdry cradle]

yea lol

[junior viper]

not bad

It should be could in there

cold*

Not a bad guess from me 😄

[tawdry cradle]

all good thats what the hot isle is for

[junior viper]

Upgrading Internet 2.0 to IPv7?

[tawdry cradle]

yea 1024 octets

we ran out again

[junior viper]

Ah, too bad

1025 is way better imo

[tawdry cradle]

couldn't agree more but you know

https://i.imgur.com/3mPPvvl.jpg

that took way to long to upload

[jolly narwhal]

mmm shaky webcam pictures from 2007

gr8

[tawdry cradle]

yea I need best photographer award

[jolly narwhal]

I SHOWED YOU MY DC, ANSWER ME

[tawdry cradle]

answer you?

[jolly narwhal]

🍆

[junior viper]

@jolly narwhal just curious, where do you have your HA running?

[jolly narwhal]

In docker

[junior viper]

Allright

[jolly narwhal]

vague question, vague answer

😄

[junior viper]

ZigBee/Z-Wave?

😄 You got my point, I got yours 🙂

[jolly narwhal]

I run zigbee, using z2m on a host seperate from my ha host

[junior viper]

👍 seems to be the go-to strat

[jolly narwhal]

decoupling > *

none of that all eggs in one basket nonsense

[junior viper]

🙂

[quiet pier]

@sour shadow i think i've found the culprit. Noticed my Xiami ZNCZ02LM was the router both sensors were connected to. Currently i've managed to get them connected to a different router and data is steadily flowing for the last 30 minutes.

[jolly narwhal]

[quiet pier]

Obviously going to do some more testing, and when the CS2652p comes i'll re-pair everything. But wondering if the ZNCZ02LM has a cache that has been filled to the top, as it's my only Zigbee device that has not been off for quite a while. I think 2 years now.

[thick plover]

You are down the steeet from me then

[tawdry cradle]

oh really thats gold.

[thick plover]

Yeah, I would give it 2.5km from home

My friend was the architect for that building and the recent extensions

[junior viper]

Go get some coffee and snap a pic

[thick plover]

😂

[tawdry cradle]

maybe next time im in the m8 tunnel

[thick plover]

Great tunnel, enjoy the light show 😂

[tawdry cradle]

i point out the dead strip all the time 😅

[cerulean thorn]

Can i flash the nvram of slaesh to zzh! ? Im going to move the slaesh ti z2m and want to put old mesh to zzh when im moving over

[sand trout]

What about a Sonoff zigbee Bridge flashed with Tasmota?

[sour shadow]

Well, it's better than a CC2531

Still to be avoided

[frail shell]

Hello everyone 🙂 i'm using a older laptop with HA at the moment and i'm thinking about buying a USB dongle to connect my Xiaomi aqua products

one supplier here can deliver the ConBee II within 2 weeks

but i'm hoping to find another (good) Alternative so that i don't have to wait (Very) long

[jolly narwhal]

where is here ?

[frail shell]

the netherlands

[jolly narwhal]

then zzh should be avaliable at some point

for easy fast shipping

[frail shell]

ah yes i can order that on on amazone for example

@jolly narwhal when you had the choice : zzh vs the ConBee II (or eventually the Xiaomi gateway 3)

[jolly narwhal]

zzh

[frail shell]

@jolly narwhal Thank You!

[sand trout]

The Sonoff of the cc2531 😋

[sour shadow]

Yes

Don't touch either of them

[frail shell]

i threw away the sonoff stick

the signal was so terrible

[crystal wraith]

what is wrong with the Sonoff zigbee Bridge ? I have a conbee II stick but thought maybe a external device(not usb) would be nice

[sour shadow]

WiFi

That's all

See the pinned messages on why WiFi+Zigbee is bad 😉

If you want an external device, use one that's wired, not WiFi

[frail shell]

oh this one ships from germany ! : https://www.tindie.com/products/slaesh/cc2652-zigbee-coordinator-or-openthread-router/

[novel crown]

https://www.tindie.com/products/electrolama/zzh-cc2652r-multiprotocol-rf-stick/

^ this one is highly recommened by a lot of people

[frail shell]

i'm gonna order there c-pid and just wait for the package to arrive

i could order a xiaomi gateway here in the nerherlands , but i indeed better wait a few weeks and have that perfect stick

[novel crown]

tindie is a platform where seller can sell. The sticks itself are different

the zzh! stick I linked is the holy grail of sticks

but most of the time sold out

[frail shell]

yes i go for the zzh (your link)

[earnest sigil]

Hey guys. Had a quick look at the pinned posts and I can see there are 3 options for adding the new zzh stick I just got

I guess ZHA or zigbee2mqtt - any reasons to pick one or the other though?

I've got an MQTT server running

[crystal wraith]

ohh ok thanks @sour shadow

[novel crown]

then z2m maybe better for you

[sleek sedge]

So I just bought some xhk1-ue xfinity keypads since I seen they were now supported and to add to to my alarm setup and upon testing I seem to have set a code of 1234, looking around for documentation I cant find instructions to change the code is there a way to do it with HA or do I need to remove and reset the keypad? They work great though very fast response in HA. I am using ZHA btw

[novel crown]

zha is easy to use but z2m is a bit more sophisticated

[tropic depot]

you can set the code in the ZHA config panel

[sleek sedge]

Thanks!

[earnest sigil]

I guess using z2m is adding 2 layers between device and home assistant as well. Not sure if that matters...

[tiny bramble]

but using zigbee2mqtt allows you to use homebridge-z2m in parallel to expose the devices to homekit while homassistant seems unwilling to expose hue dimmers to homekit

[novel crown]

if you have a mqtt broker you already have one layer. Next ist simply z2m and connecting it to your mqtt broker.

[earnest sigil]

sure, I'm just saying that there's 2 things to break. my mqtt currently only has 1 use which is controlling 1 sonoff device

if using mqtt is 'better' then I've no problem going that way

having the separation via docker containers has benefits too

[sour shadow]

It's pretty hard to break an MQTT broker

[earnest sigil]

yeah true. anything can crash though 🙂

I just wondered if there were any big feature/functionality benefits of using one integration vs the other

or if one looked like it had a better future in terms of support etc

[austere patio]

If you have exactly one sonoff device, it's pretty easy to try both out

Just not at the same time

[sour shadow]

The future of both are good. It's more whether you want to put all your eggs in one basket (ZHA) or not (Z2M)

[earnest sigil]

I don't have any zigbee devices yet. waiting for an Aqara sensor I ordered from China as a test

Probably try Z2M first

might as well get some more use out of my MQTT 🙂

[hazy river]

Hi there, I'm trying to get an Aoara Magic Cube to connect to HA (on a RPI4) using a combee 2, running a new swtich scan in Phoscon doesn't find the cube (it found my other cube fine), anyone know how I can problem solve the issue?

[frigid sky]

has anyone tried the blitzwolf zigbee motion sensors?

https://www.blitzwolf.com/Rechargeable-ZigBee-PIR-Motion-Sensor-p-442.html

[sour shadow]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/BW-IS3.html means that somebody has

[frigid sky]

yeah I just wondered if it had issues like the sonoff zigbee motion sensors

[austere patio]

Looks to be Tuya, but rechargeable might actually be nice. I wonder how well it can handle the cold.

[foggy sierra]

hello just wondering if im running ha on a pi4 can i use a powered usb hub for the radios? ie zigbee and zwave? especially for the Aeotec Z-Stick Gen5 which reportedly does not work directly into the pi. from the pi to the hub then the usb cable to the stick itself?

[sour shadow]

Sure

Just, not a USB3 one

[foggy sierra]

why not a 3?

[austere patio]

Might work with a USB2 extension on a USB3 hub?

[sour shadow]

Probably, but also USB3 and Zigbee ... not a good mix

[obsidian sandal]

See the pinned messages

Command '.pinned' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[foggy sierra]

ohh didnt know that

what about a zwave stick should it also follow this?

[sour shadow]

Z-Wave doesn't have the USB3 interference issue AFAIK

[foggy sierra]

ok thanks

im reading the intel page now

man i was trying to use usb 3 just in case

thanks

[austere patio]

I've always run my Zigbee sticks with a USB2 extension from a powered USB3 hub and have no RF issues so I think the issue specifically is with plugging it directly into a hub

[foggy sierra]

well that is interesting thank you for that. i really never thought to look at that. i dont really have any devices yet so i would have ran into it later

well now i have to seee which ext i ordered

ok sowith htis being the case i suppose usb 3 cables in a usb 2 port would still not be desiured then

these are the cables i purchased

2 Pack AINOPE USB 3.0 Extension Cable Type A Male to Female Extension Cord 10FT Durable Braided Material Fast Data Transfer Compatible with USB Keyboard,Mouse,Flash Drive, Hard Drive,Printer

[austere patio]

I don't think that's an issue, they act as USB2 extension cables when plugged into a USB2 port because the extra USB3 pins are just not connected

[foggy sierra]

im guessing i need to look for usb 2 ones then

ok

so i can use the 3.0 cables just keepo them in a 2.0 plug and a hub usb 2.0

[austere patio]

That seems like it would work to me

[foggy sierra]

ok

thanks

ok this may be an ha question more then a zigbee but for a USB hub i dont need a lot of ports but a 7 port usb 2.0 is cheaper then a 4 port usb 2.0 hub. will extra ports cause any issues if im not using them? do they take up resources just being there?

[violet dagger]

It's huge and it's tuya crap

[sour shadow]

It'll be fine

[blazing dagger]

Does anyone know how to set the "arming time" on a zigbee keypad?

Like I want it to wait 30 seconds before turning on

[sour shadow]

It'll depend on the keypad, and other things

That's like asking where the fusebox is in a house

[blazing dagger]

Ah okay. I'm just using one of those conbee keypads...

The xfinity ones

[sour shadow]

🤣

[blazing dagger]

I thought it might be standard within HA

[sour shadow]

Well, there's alarm #integrations-archived that are standard

If you're using one of those

[blazing dagger]

Nope, just zigbee

Thanks for the help IG

[sour shadow]

How a keypad behaves will depend on the keypad itself, and that would require details

[proud grove]

hi i have a 3 gang tuya touch switch and the device signature list it as a smart plug (0x0051) .. from the tuya protocol documentation https://developer.tuya.com/en/docs/iot/tuya-zigbee-universal-docking-access-standard?id=K9ik6zvofpzql
a smart plug has only 1 endpoint.. looking at Z2M documentation, https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman-converters/blob/master/devices/tuya.js which is fully supported for this device... the 3 endpoints are "endpoints selected in tuya switch state" ..
i guess my question is trying to figure out the ZHA equivalent for these series of multigang touch switches.. these are good because they dont need capacitors for no neutral wiring.. the current ZHA quirk (ts0601.py) only detect 1 endpoint ..

[tawdry yoke]

Newbie question to the group that I can only assume has decided to focus on Zigbee rather Z-Wave: Why?
I have a bunch of Tuya and Tado devices working through web services, but, as pointed out to me by Tinkerer, not such a good idea if the internet goes out. I tried Homekit, but I still needed the Tuya and Tado integrations, and all my devices and entities showed up twice. And every time I rebooted, Homekit would add a 3rd, and then a 4th, and ... copy. A nightmare.
To be honest, I think I am stuck with the Tado web services. But it really doesn't make sense to use web services for door & motion sensors and other security devices.
So I'm looking for some suggestions on the best route to take.

[austere patio]

Get a Zigbee coordinator and control the devices directly without a hub

But it looks like Tado isn't Zigbee so you are likely stuck with whatever they're using

[forest cobalt]

@tawdry yoke : "Zigbee rather Z-Wave: Why?" For me, it's a combination of functionality, cost, reliability, and security. Zigbee is one of those things that sounds a lot more difficult to master than it really is, as long as you make good decisions about your gear. Z-Wave is fine and all, but with a 4 hop maximum, it can prove to be difficult in longer-range applications. Plus, Zigbee devices tend to be cheaper overall compared to their Z-Wave counterparts.

[tawdry yoke]

Thanks. One of the Raspberry Pi HATs?

[tawdry yoke]

Much appreciated.

[austere patio]

The USB coordinators are more common but look at the pinned messages for some examples, as well as the supported coordinator hardware list of your choice of Zigbee integration

[dim shard]

Hi guys. Has anyone had experience with light options not being exposed to Home Assistant from the Z2M add-on? I have certain lights, that are supported on Z2M, that only expose on/off, and doesn't show any sliders for brightness/color temp. Even though the entity does contain them as attributes.

[sour shadow]

Why? Price

A typical Z-Wave sensor is in the £40+ region. A typical Zigbee sensor is in the £10+ region

When you're adding a lot of sensors, that difference adds up fast

Now, true, you have to pay a bit more attention since there's no guarantee devices will work - the joys of pre Zigbee 3.0 being not much of a standard (and even Zigbee 3.0 doesn't stop people playing fast and loose). But still, I don't mind spending £10 on a speculative purchase

(I do also have Z-Wave though 😄 )

[sour shadow]

Make sure you're on at least HA 2021.4.5 and Zigbee2MQTT 1.18.3

[sleek sedge]

I don't think its possible but I'm using the same keypads and cant figure out how to disarm with the keypad, when I put in the code it just triggers the alarm. Have you had any luck disarming? But I am using the keypads to trigger manual alarm which has setable times and manual alarm is what triggers the house alarm so that is a way to edit your delays.

[violet dagger]

TS0601 has over a dozen variants from plug to curtain motor. Zha needs a better quirk

[earnest sigil]

Got zigbee2mqtt running in docker and it's seeing my zzh stick. I can see a new client connect in mosquitto logs as well 🙂

should I see anything in home assistant yet, or only when I actually pair a device?

[sour shadow]

Only when you pair a device, though you can add the sensors listed in the docs at https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/integration/home_assistant.html#controlling-zigbee2mqtt-via-home-assistant to get a view of things

[earnest sigil]

Oh nice will give that a go. Cheers!

Hopefully my test sensor won't take too long to get here

[cerulean thorn]

what was the command again to take a full nvram copy and reset (on another ti controller)?

[obsidian sandal]

See the pinned messages

Command '.pinned' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[cerulean thorn]

damn emberassing. been here long enough to remember that

[earnest sigil]

Yay HASS is seeing my bridge state, so looks like I'm good to go. Thanks 👍

[cerulean thorn]

does the zzh! need to be in bootloader mode to write nvram?

on sleash its not needed

[austere patio]

No, NVRAM can be read and written to during normal use

[cerulean thorn]

strange it refuse

[austere patio]

What's the command output when you run it with -v to enable verbose logging?

[blazing dagger]

I just ended up using Alarmo...

[austere patio]

Never had a problem with my zzh. Make sure nothing else is using the serial port.

[sour shadow]

And follow the docs the creator publishes for how to flash it...

[austere patio]

Yeah, it definitely needs firmware 😆

[sour shadow]

(since it's not the same as Slaesh's stick...)

[cerulean thorn]

https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2GR8Nbx8wc/

I flashed it with a firmware ofc

[austere patio]

Stick always responds to ping if it has firmware, that's what the Electrolama test program does (https://gist.github.com/omerk/0ee0e447a9e36786b4ff71d8f8126a23)

[cerulean thorn]

here is the flash output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CtQ3kZ37FC/

[austere patio]

../CC2652R_coordinator_20210120.zip?

The firmware is in the .zip archive. I'm surprised cc2538-bsl.py let you flash the ZIP archive itself.

[cerulean thorn]

hmm maybe thats it yes i forgot to unzip it. I assumed it did it since it said assuming bin

[sour shadow]

[cerulean thorn]

hm does zha go crazy if its two zigbee dongles on the host? Now I cant boot the network on the old stick after exporting the nvram

Both sticks should now have the same nvram (did only export on the old), then it seems in the log like its an nvram issue https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KBWPvYVj5R/

[orchid elbow]

Hi all, is it right to say that any zigbee device is compatible with ha? There's no need for flashing or templates right? Zigbee to mqtt and its done..

[cerulean thorn]

I changed it to the other dongle and it worked - very strange - seem like nvram does something with the stick during export

[sour shadow]

If you're using Zigbee2MQTT then it has to be compatible with Zigbee2MQTT...

[austere patio]

That item should have been written during restore. Did you restore to the correct stick?

[cerulean thorn]

yes, but regardless if I wrote it back to the original its its own backup

[austere patio]

NVRAM stuff is extremely thoroughly tested so I would quadruple check that you have the paths and files correct

Like you didn't do a backup of the wrong stick and restore it to the other stick

[cerulean thorn]

I just wrote it to the stick I will use on the old and it worked. The slaesh I will move out anyways

just changed the path in .storage

[austere patio]

So you backed up the old stick's nvram, wrote it to the new stick, and changed the path?

[cerulean thorn]

yes

but without changing path it would not work

[austere patio]

The path has to be changed, yeah

[cerulean thorn]

I would assume the old one worked as well

thats why I was suprised

[austere patio]

It should. Nothing happens during read and that NVRAM item is always present if you have ever formed a network.

[cerulean thorn]

strange. regardless it works now. I will move the slaesh to z2m on a clean install

[brazen robin]

Thought this was interesting:
https://zigbeealliance.org/news_and_articles/chip-is-now-matter/
https://staceyoniot.com/project-chip-becomes-matter/

[violet dagger]

oh great, they rebrand it already

they probably saw Hibbert making fun of the name

[modern kite]

Hey all. I normally use Hue Bridge for zigbee, but just setup zzh and have a few questions if anyone can help

I seem to have two coordinators, is this normal?

ZNP = Texas Instruments Z-Stack ZNP protocol: CC253x, CC26x2, CC13x2
by ZHA

unk_model
by unk_manufacturer

[molten linden]

unk_ stuff is usually things that did not pair completely.

[modern kite]

hmmm. it came in when I first set it up

I'll have a look at zigbee2mqtt and see what that is saying

[molten linden]

have you ever tried to set it up perviously could just be a stale entry from an old zigbee.db

[modern kite]

well I had an old CC....x transmitter/receiver I hated and stopped using

I've removed the zigbee.db, I'll try again

I'm presuming zha is better to use than zigbee2mqtt these days

[neat anvil]

So.. I am getting in some zigbee stuff. Was kinda thinking of using the Zigbee bridge from Sonoff and flashing Tasmota to it.. But I also have a Zigbee Sonoff dongle coming in. (Wasn't sure what I wanted, so I bought a few things 😉 ) Any suggestions on the best way to set things up? Is the bridge not a good idea? Why?

[molten linden]

that bridge motivated me to start making and selling ethernet connected coordinators. wifi and zigbee that close don't mix well. for every person for whom it works there are at least 2 where it doesn't work

[modern kite]

Yeah I have my zigbee and zwave far apart and away from wifi

[molten linden]

the dongle has mixed reviews too as in the design might be flawed. folks with them have had a lot of issues.

zwave is a different freq but zigbee and wifi share 2.4 ghz

[modern kite]

Thanks for the help Tube. I have the zzh setup now without the phantom coordinator and a test device (ikea button remote) firing off zha_event's

well I have them for optimum positioning anyway...

[azure tinsel]

Do zigbee devices (routers) go in some sort of deep sleep mode after they havent been used for a while? im using ZHA and i keep getting the problem that lights that arent used regularly sometimes take several seconds to respond before turning on. after that they are instant for some time

Its like the lights need to wake up or boot up before the respond.

The strange thing is that the Hue bulbs dont have this problem with the hue bridge

the bulb in question is 2 metres away from the coordinator with nothing in between

[fresh citrus]

So again over a night half of my Zigbee devices stopped working. This time i have new hardware and a brand new HA installation. When i try to turn on a light it goes back to off after a few seconds.

More than half actually. Like 90%. wtf

[sour shadow]

Mapped it? Could be a problem router or few

[fresh citrus]

The "Visualization" is broken so i cant see what's connected to what.

[sour shadow]

Does it show any disconnected routers?

[fresh citrus]

Where can i see that. State is unavailable?

In the visualization i can just chose a router and see some red wires to other devices. But i cant move around to see what's on the other end.

[sour shadow]

Well, all i can guess at this point is that you're not using Zigbee2MQTT, so ...

[fresh citrus]

ZHA

[sour shadow]

No idea about that, don't touch it

[fresh citrus]

Hopefully someone else now how it works. I can only guess what the different colors of the wires means. Green, yellow, red and grey.

@sour shadow Why do you prefer Zigbee2MQTT over ZHA?

[sour shadow]

Two reasons:

1. When I started with Zigbee ZHA was pretty immature
2. I really like decoupling - I can upgrade and downgrade things as I need. I can also use Z2M from outside of HA, or from another HA instance, and even run it somewhere more centrally than where HA runs

[fresh citrus]

Aah i see.

Well i doesn't matter what i use if i have a shite router somewhere.

But now i'm power cycling bulbs and they seems to work again. So far.

[violet dagger]

i tried zha this year and still z2m is easier to use

[fresh citrus]

Easier? Really?

[violet dagger]

i should say: easier for me

[fresh citrus]

I dont have MQTT today since i havent had a reason to set it up. So maybe a slighter curve for me then.

[violet dagger]

probably

[fresh citrus]

I don't have a problem with learning it and throwing in time to set it up. But i need it to be reliable.

Which in my case right now doesn't matter what i use because it seems like i need to find whatever router is broken.

[sour shadow]

Hopefully the ZHA logs tell you about routers falling over, Zigbee2MQTT certainly does

[violet dagger]

i think you need to increase logging level for zha in configuration.yaml but don't trust me 100%

[azure tinsel]

Maybe i should also start considering Z2MQTT. what is the best adapter to use

[violet dagger]

i look at it this way: if you're running supervised ZHA is probably the thing for you, if not its better to invest some time to at least try Z2M

[fresh citrus]

I just bought the HA Blue so yeah 🙂

As long as i can find the router i'm good. But yeah i guess i need ZHA debug loggning for that.

[violet dagger]

just shut down one router each day to pinpoint what's giving you trouble

[fresh citrus]

Yeah that's a good idea.

[sour shadow]

CC2652p/CC2652 based

[sinful swift]

I'm expecting Tube's CC2652P2 coordinator to arrive any day now, so I was just reading the setup docs again and was going to ask if I should use ZHA or Z2MQTT. I see the latter is probably the way I want to go. Not taking the zigbee network offline every time I restart Home Assistant is definitely ideal. Maybe ZHA should be an addon rather than an integration?

[fresh citrus]

Hmm. Yeah i need to figure out if i'll go Z2MQTT or not. Conbee stick works with that?

[violet dagger]

sortof, not quite

[sour shadow]

Conbee works with deCONZ, and sorta works with ZHA and Z2M

[fresh citrus]

Alright. So i need to find a stick based on those above then. Here in Sweden that'll be a challenge 😆

[azure tinsel]

Thanks tinkerer. but i see they are out of stock on some websites

cant find it on ali also get everything except what i need when typing CC2652

[violet dagger]

you'll only find bare modules on ali

[fresh citrus]

The ZZH or Slaesh seems to be the ones to go with.

[azure tinsel]

But just to be sure... the CC2652 can be flashed with software that basically runs the whole network and you only connect to it with HA using mqtt right?

So its a seperate system

[violet dagger]

CC2562 interfaces with Z2M which then talks to HA using MQTT

[azure tinsel]

thats right i forgot you need Z2M in HA

A little while back i asked the question if bulbs (routers) go in some sort of sleepmode when not used over a longer period. IS that true? or is something else the matter when a light takes several seconds to respond the first time i use it

And if it should always work instant how could i debug this using ZHA. What do i look for in the logs

[fresh citrus]

I see [zigpy_deconz.zigbee.application] No watchdog response in the Core log. What does that mean?

After that
[homeassistant.helpers.service] Unable to find referenced entities light.entity so i guess it has something to do with it not working.

[sour shadow]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_adapters.html has a long list of options to buy

[obsidian sandal]

@lean coral posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MfVr9s2PTJ/

[lean coral]

whoa, that was big. Sorry

Summary, ZHA and tradfri issues. 1 globe added fine, 2 more globes will not even show in discovery

[silk lodge]

Hey, i'm having some problems setting up zigbee2mqtt in docker, is this the right channel for that?

[lean coral]

from my reading of the chat history, it seems a good chance there is someone here with that knowledge. Seems z2m is preferred by some people over ZHA