#zigbee-archived | Home Assistant | Page 131

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 7:49 PM

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$54 sorry

bronze apex Apr 25, 2021, 7:50 PM

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Think I'll maybe start with something cheaper to begin with if you've any other suggestions? 😂

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 7:50 PM

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The USB one then 😉

cerulean thorn Apr 25, 2021, 7:51 PM

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I would say 50 bucks are cheap in this hobby

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 7:51 PM

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They're all at least $40 if you want to avoid the CC2531 (which you do)

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 7:51 PM

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Seriously, don't cheap out - you're going to spend many many hundreds on the Zigbee devices anyway

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 7:52 PM

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You can take a big risk and get a Sonoff Zigbee bridge. Awesome ZB chip, but the wifi isn't ideal. I'm using it and it is ok-ish for me. Bit more than a tenner.

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 7:52 PM

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I've spent an easy £600 on just Zigbee kit over the last couple of years, and I've a long way to go yet 😄

dawn wagon Apr 25, 2021, 7:52 PM

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That seems reasonablly price3d to me. 54$ is not gonna break my HA budget. I just want to understand all the components so that I can try to order things basically all at once, instead getting step one completed, then being stuck waiting/searching for something for step 2, wait for it to arrive, repeat for steps 3 and 4, only to realize that step 1's part is incompatible with step 5, which kicks off the entire process again

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 7:52 PM

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I'm just here for the couple of months it will take before openthread materializes, then I'm outta here 😮

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 7:53 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

Tenor

dawn wagon Apr 25, 2021, 7:53 PM

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That's my nightmare scenario

cerulean thorn Apr 25, 2021, 7:53 PM

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I just wish they put things in different frequencies and not 2,4

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 7:53 PM

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Pffft, Thread has been around for a while, Zigbee's going nowhere

bronze apex Apr 25, 2021, 7:54 PM

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So basically you're saying if I'm in this for the long run which I feel like I am, I've lots of plans. Then I'd be better just dropping the money on one from Tube and it'll be an investment?

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 7:54 PM

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@dawn wagon yeah, that's pretty much what you're paying for, e.g. tube's stuff will work with everything

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Yes

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 7:54 PM

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mighty river I'm just here for the couple of months it will take before openthread materializ...

Is that the thing with like no application-level spec so every device's behavior will be completely manufacturer-defined?

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 7:54 PM

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@austere patio so kinda like zigbee? 😄

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Hey, Zigbee at least tries

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 7:55 PM

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I mean, there's so many quirks, I wonder why we still call 'em quirks, they're just properties at this point.

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Zigbee 3.0 is a lot better

dawn wagon Apr 25, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Ok. So, because I'm turbo-noob, if I write up a list of what I'm trying to accomplish, my intended shopping list, and wanted someone with experience to give me a general "yeah, that looks reasonable" thumbs up, A, what additional information would I need to share, and B, where would I ask that question without running afoul of ettiquette?

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Zigbee is, manufacturers aren't (looking at you, Tuya...)

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 7:55 PM

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dawn wagon Ok. So, because I'm turbo-noob, if I write up a list of what I'm trying to acco...

The forum IMO

obsidian sandalBOT Apr 25, 2021, 7:55 PM

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You can find the community forum here

bronze apex Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 PM

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As long as I'm not about to invest in a protocol that's about to be replaced by something new and up coming

dawn wagon Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Roger, thank you Tinkerer!

jolly narwhal Apr 25, 2021, 7:56 PM

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People still use 433

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dogecry

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 PM

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Those people are smart

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 PM

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@bronze apex in theory, most stuff that can do zigbee 3 will also be able to to thread. Now, I wouldn't hold my breath, but in theory that's the situation.

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 PM

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And in reality, in 10 years Zigbee will still be going strong

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 7:57 PM

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Also, if you wanted to buy everything thread today, you wouldn't be able to, and HA and the likes don't support it at all right now

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So eyes closed, buy zigbee

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Eyes open, buy Zigbee 😛

bronze apex Apr 25, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Oh now you're throwing in thread, is this something I need to be aware of?

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Thread is still largely vapour-ware

bronze apex Apr 25, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Ah fair, zigbee it is

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 7:58 PM

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(though I would still recommend everyone to get Tasmota or esphome-supported wifi hardware for anything mains-powered)

bronze apex Apr 25, 2021, 7:58 PM

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I've heard of choip or something?

cerulean thorn Apr 25, 2021, 7:58 PM

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I would say zwave is a tad better, but another price range

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Yes, ZB is already unacceptably expensive in a lot of cases.

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Z-Wave Plus is IMO largely where Zigbee 3.0 is - designed for proper interoperability

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 8:00 PM

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bronze apex I've heard of choip or something?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connected_Home_over_IP

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:00 PM

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This stuff would have and should have cost pennies if some manufacturers weren't such a-holes. It's just a radio in a light-bulb, 50 cents surcharge sounds plenty.

bronze apex Apr 25, 2021, 8:01 PM

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sour shadow <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connected_Home_over_IP>

Think it'll eventually replace zigbee?

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:01 PM

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Can you tell it pisses me off? 😅

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 8:02 PM

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bronze apex Think it'll eventually replace zigbee?

https://xkcd.com/927/

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:02 PM

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I have hopes for chip and openthread, for those reasons, but I'm not an optimist.

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ZB is transient to me as long as there's nearly no options to build firmware without paying for a compiler.

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 8:03 PM

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Given that CHIP is part of the Zigbee Alliance I have slightly more hope it'll work with existing Zigbee devices

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Oh boy, another layer

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 8:04 PM

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But, given that all these new things take years to get market share, and rarely displace existing stuff... it's not like anybody has to worry

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Do you think CHIP will start implementing quirks?

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:04 PM

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zb-quirks-quirks-quirks-handler

bronze apex Apr 25, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Hmmm by the sounds of it, it's not worth me worrying about yet anyway haha

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:05 PM

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@bronze apex yeah that's the best approach

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Don't be like me!

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 8:05 PM

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In the end, all that matters is that your stuff works

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:05 PM

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Yes, and getting it to work is so so much harder if you're denied access to the stuff you need.

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That stupid Ikea stuff... if it had esp32s inside I'd fix all of them in an afternoon.

bronze apex Apr 25, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Haha. I assume my coordinator can go anywhere?

dire willow Apr 25, 2021, 8:07 PM

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https://www.codepile.net/pile/ql8v4jJw Device signature
(sorry that took so long, kiddo woke up)

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Instead I can pay 100 bucks for a dev license and redevelop a stupid button with a radio, or a stupid pwm dimmer, probably need to spend 6 months to get proper power management

dire willow Apr 25, 2021, 8:09 PM

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dire willow https://www.codepile.net/pile/ql8v4jJw Device signature (sorry that took so long...

and i have no idea what it means

forest cobalt Apr 25, 2021, 8:10 PM

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mighty river (though I would still recommend everyone to get Tasmota or esphome-supported wif...

That's assuming that everyone has wifi that is capable of running over 50 devices, which most consumer setups are not capable of.

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 PM

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@forest cobalt rubbish, and even so, would probably have to spend less on fixing wifi than proper ZB gateways and routers.

forest cobalt Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 PM

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bronze apex Haha. I assume my coordinator can go anywhere?

That's a loaded question. Yes, it can go anywhere, but it also needs to be some place where it can get the best coverage and avoid WiFi signal interference.

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 PM

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And it has to be plugged into a computer (or ethernet if you're using Tube's)

forest cobalt Apr 25, 2021, 8:11 PM

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mighty river <@!534201530895564800> rubbish, and even so, would probably have to spend less o...

I wouldn't say it's rubbish. I have over 100 WiFi devices and I can kill ANY consumer grade router with ease. 🙂

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 PM

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That's 2x 50, and dunno what it is, but IoT stuff is very low-traffic.

bronze apex Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 PM

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I heard someone say that it needs to go into the device that's running home assistant?

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 8:12 PM

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If you're using ZHA, yes

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 PM

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@bronze apex if it's USB it needs to be connected to whatever is running your backend, yes

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 PM

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If you're using Z2M, not necessarily

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 PM

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If it's ethernet, it can go anywhere that has ethernet. If it has wifi, it can go anywhere but you're gonna have a bad time anyway

bronze apex Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 PM

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I run HA in a docker container on my pi if that makes a difference?

sour shadow Apr 25, 2021, 8:13 PM

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Not really 😄

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You can run Z2M anywhere. You can only run ZHA as part of HA, wherever you run that

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 8:14 PM

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You can also plug the coordinator into another computer and tunnel the serial traffic with ser2net. Works best over ethernet.

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:14 PM

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But either you have to slap up something else to run Z2M on, or you're going to be running it on that same pi. So anything USB will connect to that.

bronze apex Apr 25, 2021, 8:14 PM

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I think you explained that before actually. I'm definitely edging towards z2m

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:20 PM

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@austere patio before I forget.. what firmware was it that you plan to run on that ZSLC5 or whatever MG21 you had?

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 8:20 PM

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No clue, whatever is the most recent EZSP coordinator firmware that can run on it

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:21 PM

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I tested esp-idf blackmagic with a 13P module and it seemed to work, but I have no firmware for it, nor for the ZSLC5

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How picky are these modules as far as RAM and flash sizes are concerned? Will 256K firmware run on a 512K device at all?

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The 13P one is especially weird (TYZS3). It's a 4-button battery-powered remote, but the chip has 512K storage and 64K RAM

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Ridiculously overdimensioned

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ZSLC5 is ~~512K~~ 768K, but everything I see is for 256K

tawdry raft Apr 25, 2021, 8:25 PM

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Hi, recently I have the problem that I from my IKEA E1744 SYMFONISK in conjunction with ZHA, that the same event is sent to me 4, 5 or 6 times in a row. Ideas what this can be?

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:28 PM

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@tawdry raft "sent" how?

cerulean thorn Apr 25, 2021, 8:29 PM

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Is it possible to see what zigbee version is reported on a device in zha?

tawdry raft Apr 25, 2021, 8:30 PM

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for example if i peform a single click,i get the "single click" 5 times and my automation also triggerd 5 times

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:30 PM

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@tawdry raft yes but on what level do you get multiple events?

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identical events in e.g. the event thingy in developer tools?

obsidian sandalBOT Apr 25, 2021, 8:33 PM

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@tawdry raft posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SNy8zmtDvd/

tawdry raft Apr 25, 2021, 8:34 PM

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mighty river identical events in e.g. the event thingy in developer tools?

it is not the same event (see the different IDs) but the same event type that comes multiple times

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Hmpf, I'm inclined to say.. that's what it's sending, so that's what ZHA is doing. Assuming that ID is actually coming from ZB and not from ZHA

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But I don't know enough about it

sterile sleet Apr 25, 2021, 8:35 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/tgzMoSE
is it normal for end devices to be connected to multiple routers?

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 8:36 PM

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Enabling https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging would show you exactly what's being received

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If the TSN is different for each event, then the device is actually sending the event five times

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Are you using a Conbee?

tawdry raft Apr 25, 2021, 8:41 PM

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austere patio Are you using a Conbee?

yes

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 8:43 PM

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Did you recently reboot your computer or unplug the stick (or restart HA)?

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Might be related to this issue: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy/issues/435#issuecomment-657069205

tawdry raft Apr 25, 2021, 8:43 PM

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austere patio Did you recently reboot your computer or unplug the stick (or restart HA)?

yes HA have restarted a few times in the last hours

tawdry raft Apr 25, 2021, 8:44 PM

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austere patio Might be related to this issue: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy/issues/435#issuec...

Ah okay, thanks for the info!!!

austere patio Apr 25, 2021, 8:44 PM

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Try what's suggested in that issue comment about "restarting" the remote by re-inserting its battery

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Yes, look out, don't buy that 😄

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There was some discussion about the topic earlier, so can scroll back. The ZB bridge is ok, but the wifi makes it potentially a bit flaky. USB or ethernet is preferred.

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My experience with the ZB bridge isn't too bad, at least currently, but you've been warned 🙂

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Before buying any peripherals, it's best to check whether your preferred backend supports it. It's by no means generic, and especially when Tuya's involved, there may be differences between devices that look the same.

molten linden Apr 25, 2021, 11:09 PM

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I’m partial to the coordinators I make and sell. 😜 reports are they work well.

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 11:09 PM

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I'll also reiterate my opinion that's not universally shared here, but: for mains stuff like that, if there's a wifi version that supports tasmota or esphome, I would prefer that.

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I'd take a Sonoff Dual R3 instead of that Tuya thing any day

molten linden Apr 25, 2021, 11:13 PM

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I like doing both.. put a Shelly behind the nice looking switch decouple the switch from the relay and use zigbee bulbs to dial in desired color temp. Switch toggles the bulb. Relay on 100% of the time and can be used as a backup

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Shelly good too

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I have zigbee bulbs mainly because there's not a lot of nice wifi bulbs that support esphome or tasmota nowadays.

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And also for battery-powered stuff, wifi sucks for that.

molten linden Apr 25, 2021, 11:29 PM

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our preferred white temp for light is in between 3000k and 5000K so not really available in a dumb bulb...

mighty river Apr 25, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Yeah, and built-in dimming is nice. Regular AC dimmers with LED bulbs is.. meh.

prisma shell Apr 25, 2021, 11:33 PM

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yeah it depends

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i got some decent fiet ones

dawn wagon Apr 25, 2021, 11:56 PM

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I keep seeing people mention "shelly" - what's that?

molten linden Apr 25, 2021, 11:58 PM

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A company who make WiFi devices

dawn wagon Apr 25, 2021, 11:58 PM

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Also, hi Tube! I just boutght a thing from you!

molten linden Apr 25, 2021, 11:58 PM

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Relays etc

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Thank you!

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It’s sitting by my door to go out tomorrow 😀

dawn wagon Apr 25, 2021, 11:59 PM

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no no, thank you! I've got my other parts coming in tomorrow. You happen to know what general timeframe I should expect stuff? I just moved back down to lower 48, i'm not sure how long USPS takes to get stuff around

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 12:00 AM

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It’s coming priority mail. Says 2-day but I’d expect 3-4 days based on their current mess. I’m on the mid east coast.

dawn wagon Apr 26, 2021, 12:01 AM

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Right on. Thanks!

jolly vessel Apr 26, 2021, 3:58 AM

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Is there anyone who can help me with HUSBZB-1 and setting up zigbee on homeassistant?

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 4:58 AM

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I'm on the way out, but it's a Emberznet / EZSP device, so you can use the instructions for that in zha or z2m.

jolly narwhal Apr 26, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Pretty sure that would be a horrible z2m experience

ocean timber Apr 26, 2021, 10:18 AM

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dawn wagon I keep seeing people mention "shelly" - what's that?

Good devices and active community for support on FB. All of the devices, except the motion sensor, can be reflashed with Tasmota, ESPHome etc. There are some guides on YouTube for OTA reflashing of Shelly - Seems you need to go to Tasmota first and then ESPHome.
Some of the devices - like the I3 and Uni are unusual and have functions not usually found elsewhere.

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 12:27 PM

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@mighty river not with the dual r3 specifically, it's relatively new, but I own several of its little brothers, the Mini

stone halo Apr 26, 2021, 12:27 PM

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Anyone experience with the ledvance rgb bulbs?

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They relatively cheap here

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 12:59 PM

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I have a bunch of ledvance bulbs sold under the Slyvania brand here in the US, I think they are older than what you can get in the EU, but they have been solid for me.

golden vessel Apr 26, 2021, 1:09 PM

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Isn't ledvance the same as Osram? If so, they have a firmware bug which makes them drop done messages from child devices IIRC

stone halo Apr 26, 2021, 1:14 PM

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golden vessel Isn't ledvance the same as Osram? If so, they have a firmware bug which makes th...

They are

thick plover Apr 26, 2021, 1:28 PM

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molten linden I like doing both.. put a Shelly behind the nice looking switch decouple the swi...

Does the Shelly integrate to HA?

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Ledvance is different than the original lightify bulbs from Osram

golden vessel Apr 26, 2021, 1:31 PM

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@molten linden not the same TI chip?

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 1:31 PM

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Osram sold off some of their business to Ledvance

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Not sure what’s in the Ledvance now. But I started with the Osram ones and ripped them all out as they were nothing but trouble

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The Ledvance ones have been fine

golden vessel Apr 26, 2021, 1:32 PM

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cool to know

verbal shale Apr 26, 2021, 3:15 PM

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did anyone try those sensors?

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https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AsCL7B

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it wrks with z2m?

frigid sky Apr 26, 2021, 3:15 PM

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Hi. Does anyone here know how to get the IEEE of a device using templates? I'm trying to issue ZHA commands programatically and I need to get the IEEE. thanks

verbal shale Apr 26, 2021, 4:22 PM

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?

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 4:30 PM

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@mighty river the switch is decoupled and becomes just a simple input. But I believe the sonoffs are not "no neutral wire", which is a common thing for light switches, often they have a phase and a switching wire, so if the light is off, so is the power to the Sonoff. I.e. if it's wired like that and it switches the relay, it kills its own power.

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It's not an issue if the switch is next to a socket, or if there's a smart bulb on the other end, as the bulb will technically be always on.

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But if none of that applies, you'd need to pull a neutral wire or get a "no neutral" solution.

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This applies to any of these in-wall switches, by the way, including any zigbee. If you don't have a neutral wire in your outlet box, you need something that explicitly mentions "no neutral" or make sure you have a neutral wire

frigid sky Apr 26, 2021, 4:37 PM

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001320199523.html?spm=a2g0o.store_home.productList_679882740.pic_1

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never tried these but was interested to see that they are no-neutral-required switches

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Sonoff has similar touch switches, yes. I don't think their in-wall ones have it, though.

verbal shale Apr 26, 2021, 4:40 PM

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did anyone try those sensors?
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AsCL7B
it wrks with z2m?

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 4:40 PM

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Technically it's 2 capacitors, but I can understand not everyone is comfortable adding capacitors to a light fixture themselves

mellow geode Apr 26, 2021, 4:40 PM

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molten linden The Ledvance ones have been fine

They're still selling some products with the old TI chip and OSRAM Lightify firmware with LEDVANCE packaging and a LEDVANCE label on the controller.
("Einige Geräte im Handel haben keinen QR-Code" here https://www.bosch-smarthome.com/de/de/fwd/light/ means it most likely comes with an old OSRAM controller.)

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(The old ones are horrible)

frigid sky Apr 26, 2021, 4:41 PM

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I haven't tried those sensors but hey look interesting. You might have to be the first.

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 4:42 PM

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You may just have gotten a free ticket for the Tuya lottery. Is it listed on zigbee.blakadder.com though?

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 4:44 PM

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mellow geode They're still selling some products with the old TI chip and OSRAM Lightify firm...

Good to know. I typically look only for the smart+ series. If I get them and they register as Osram, I send them back 😠

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 6:36 PM

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Ah that's great (the neutral wire). I believe pretty much all of these disconnect the wall switch from mains and use it as a fancy GPIO pin toggle, just signalling

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And you can use it as an extra switch in zb or esphome or mqtt. To toggle the light that it's connected to.. or to start party mode 3 rooms down.. it's yours to use as you please

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 9:05 PM

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And a couple of nights of fun!

bronze apex Apr 26, 2021, 9:19 PM

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Was going to buy the slaesh stick but seems to be out of stock 😢

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Also looked at the tube at its out of stock also

bronze apex Apr 26, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Even the zzh is out of stock, damn

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 9:37 PM

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which are you looking for? I have all the ethernet and USB cc2652 coordinators on hand

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(ethernet were out earlier today, but I built some more).

bronze apex Apr 26, 2021, 9:39 PM

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To be honest I'm not really sure what I am looking, just based on what I've heard from others i should avoid the cheap sticks

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 9:41 PM

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my USB one is comparable to the other sticks, but instead it's a small puck with a usb cable (takes care of the use an extension cable step for sticks). Ethernet one is great for centrally locating or to not have to deal with passthrough issues with VM solutions.

bronze apex Apr 26, 2021, 9:48 PM

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I run HA on docker so don't think it'll matter much to me. Just want to make sure I'm not cheaping out and end up replacing something in a matter of weeks, but I think it's a matter of having enough routers. Any real benefit for me to use the ethernet?

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 9:49 PM

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I won’t try and up sell you, the main benefits I cite above.

bronze apex Apr 26, 2021, 9:53 PM

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Fair enough, respect that alot. I guess they are easy enough to setup etc? New to this if you didn't realise haha.

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Just as easy as all the others. Ethernet one actually now has discovery support in zha if you go that route so may be the easiest. For the usb ones it’s just passing the serial port through to docker and specifying it in the config of zha or z2m.

bronze apex Apr 26, 2021, 10:10 PM

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Sounds simple enough

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 10:31 PM

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You get the big fat antenna and a premium zb chip on all of tube's stuff, the ethernet is just extra convenience, made sense to me because I like self-sustained devices, and the extra cost is quite reasonable if you consider the price of an esp32 ethernet board alone. I guess I'm paying mainly to keep docker away from my usb ports.

forest cobalt Apr 26, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Agreed... I never knew I wanted the ethernet option until I got the ethernet option.

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 10:36 PM

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I've learned my lesson with openwrt and wifi usb adapters.. or I guess I'm scarred for life because of that 😆

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I imagine myself in 30 years, and my gbit ethernet is like that old Mustang in grandpa's garage.

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 10:44 PM

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I’m gonna screen shot these comments and and put them in the listings since I don’t pay square enough to allow product reviews.. 😂

bronze apex Apr 26, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Are things slightly more different by using docker?

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 10:45 PM

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with Ethernet you don’t need to touch your docker settings

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With usb you just have to pass the usb device through to the ha container or z2m container

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 10:48 PM

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It's been worse than it is now, but it's always an extra layer that seems to rear its ugly head every so often, usually because of some poorly executed "security" enhancement.

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Or some device node changes

bronze apex Apr 26, 2021, 10:49 PM

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Might be as well getting the ethernet one then by the sounds of it

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 10:50 PM

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IPv4 is 40 years old, it's got my trust 😄

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Tube doesn't pay me enough to advertise, but for me it's a no-brainer 😋

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And it's an esp32, can't wait to ruin my zigbee by running a wifi hotspot and BLE hub on it!

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It's mine now, tube can't tell me what I can or can't do

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 10:56 PM

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I let my support and products do the talking..

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Worked for me

bronze apex Apr 26, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Basically I know where to come for support when I buy one then 😁

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Well the nature of the product should minimize the need for any... but it's a nice perk to have that to back it up.

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Unless tube extends his support to rip those clusters out of your random tuya device, but I doubt he can keep that up for very long 😄

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Tuya doing it the tuya way🤦‍♂️

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 11:05 PM

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Ooh sm-011 efr32mg21 usb sticks popping up in my aliexpress for 16 eurobucks

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 11:06 PM

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I have a bag full of SM-011s

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Not sure what to do with them 🤦‍♂️

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Bag =4 or 5

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Small bag 😆 had I known, I would have grifted some to go with my order. Didn't you have a board for it already?

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The Sonoff was going to end up redundant, but since Hedda mentioned that it should be possible to run it as a router with a few commands and the same firmware, it suddenly is useful again.

molten linden Apr 26, 2021, 11:17 PM

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I’d at least flash it so it was bootloader unlocked.

mighty river Apr 26, 2021, 11:18 PM

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Well, the "tasmota" firmware, I mean.

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Don't even know what was on it out of the box. "Don't turn it on, take it apart"

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Got tons of Sonoff stuff. And I like them, they really try. But I've never used any of their stock software, I've violated every piece of hardware I got from them within minutes of opening the box.

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 1:19 AM

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= enp7s0 IPv4 sonoff_zb_bridge                              _ezsp._tcp           local                                                             hostname = [sonoff_zb_bridge.local]                                                                                                             address = [172.16.0.249]                                                                                                                        port = [6638]                                                                                                                                   txt = []   ```  well that wasn't so hard, once I understood what this zeroconf thing was actually about.

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A rather disappointing MDNS.addService("ezsp", "tcp", this->port_); 🥱

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I'll take this up with the zigpy guys, see if they need anything else than just "ezsp", but honestly can't think of anything

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Maybe txt=['i_am_using_wifi'] so zha can scoff you for it

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 1:54 AM

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mighty river I'll take this up with the zigpy guys, see if they need anything else than just ...

Zigpy doesn't itself do discovery beyond port probing but there was a similar change a few weeks ago in HA core to support network discovery of Tube's ethernet adapter for TI.

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 1:55 AM

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Yeah, I've got eyes on the relevant topics and a conversation with Hedda, will dump it there 😛

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Hm I just realized, we need baud rate in there as well.

blazing dagger Apr 27, 2021, 5:01 AM

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Does anyone know how to find the zigbee device path on #449717345808547842

sour shadow Apr 27, 2021, 6:25 AM

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Find it on the host, pass it through to the container

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The approach is the same as finding any other newly connected USB device:

Plug in the device
Run dmesg|tail -n 20 to see the last 20 lines and help you identify the device
Now look in /dev/serial/by-id/ for something that matches - or just the device that appeared most recently

ocean timber Apr 27, 2021, 6:40 AM

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@sour shadow You can bind ZHA to the API in Phoscon?

sour shadow Apr 27, 2021, 6:40 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/bunnies-what-confused-meh-gif-13712192

Tenor

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I don't think that means what you think it means

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If you're using ZHA you're not using anything from Phoscon

ocean timber Apr 27, 2021, 6:41 AM

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This is re the question on #hardware-archived

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Using ZHA with RaspBee II

sour shadow Apr 27, 2021, 6:42 AM

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Yes, and you can do that

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You don't however use the deCONZ/Phoscon integration

ocean timber Apr 27, 2021, 6:43 AM

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Ah - How do you connect to the RaspBee II then? Needs some sort of client on the RPi....

sour shadow Apr 27, 2021, 6:43 AM

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No it doesn't

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ZHA talks directly to it

ocean timber Apr 27, 2021, 6:44 AM

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** If HA is running on the RPi **

sour shadow Apr 27, 2021, 6:45 AM

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Well, if it's not, you're not going to use ZHA

ocean timber Apr 27, 2021, 6:45 AM

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I was thinking of HA running on another host and RaspBee II on RPi

sour shadow Apr 27, 2021, 6:45 AM

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Then you need to go looking for various serial-over-network options

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Or run Zigbee2MQTT there instead

ocean timber Apr 27, 2021, 6:47 AM

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I'm happy with the deCONZ/ Phoscon setup at the moment, but will try ZigBee2MQTT when I have some time

sour shadow Apr 27, 2021, 6:47 AM

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Those are the only options that easily allow you to decouple HA and your Zigbee stick

ocean timber Apr 27, 2021, 6:48 AM

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Yep - I misunderstood the original question.
Assumption that no one uses RPi for HA anymore explode

sterile sleet Apr 27, 2021, 7:29 AM

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considering rpi-gpio is on 125th place in the integration analytics I'd say that is a bold assumption

smoky marten Apr 27, 2021, 8:48 AM

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Hi, I was trying to install zigbee2mqtt using a conbee2 but I get these errors when starting the add on. Does someone know whats going on? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x2JJdZnyF4/

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 2:12 PM

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@smoky marten https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/FAQ.html#help-zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 2:56 PM

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The number of people that should use a RPi for HA is at an all-time low. That's not a very useful statistic in the real world, though 😄

prime saffron Apr 27, 2021, 2:59 PM

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mighty river The number of people that _should_ use a RPi for HA is at an all-time low. That'...

Why not use a Pi if you have one? Might I run into issues?

sour shadow Apr 27, 2021, 3:00 PM

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mighty river The number of people that _should_ use a RPi for HA is at an all-time low. That'...

Is it though?

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:00 PM

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@prime saffron well if you plan to use it beyond testing, at minimum you should set something up to replace SD for storage.

edgy minnow Apr 27, 2021, 3:01 PM

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Question to the group can I change coordinator in a ZHA network in HA without having to rebuild the zigbee network and re-add all devices again?

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:02 PM

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But if you end up having to hack external storage to a Pi, there's much cheaper and convenient options. I run on x86 thin clients, for instance.

sour shadow Apr 27, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Any second hand PC from the last 8 to 10 years will be lightyears ahead of the Pi

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 3:04 PM

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edgy minnow Question to the group can I change coordinator in a ZHA network in HA without ha...

If you're switching between coordinators that use the same radio library (i.e. TI to TI or SiLabs to SiLabs), it's relatively easy. Otherwise you'll have to do a little bit of manual translation to make one backup format compatible with the other.

prime saffron Apr 27, 2021, 3:05 PM

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Eh, IO speed hasn't really been an issue for me. I don't see a reason to switch. I tried to setup a Ubuntu server on an older Dell but hardware incompatibility issues reared its head.

sour shadow Apr 27, 2021, 3:05 PM

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It's not just about speed, it's about reliability

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:05 PM

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Yes, though I go with the thin clients specifically because of the low power consumption. Can run on a $10 Pentium 4 server, but a blaring power-hungry monster is not ideal.

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It's not about speed at all, indeed. HA pretty much kills SD cards with writes within months by default.

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They're limiting writes a bit now, but it's still far from ideal

prime saffron Apr 27, 2021, 3:08 PM

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Alright, that's a bit concerning. I will try to move to an external drive soon then.

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Best take care of backups/snapshots (not on the same SD) if you value your configuration.

blazing dagger Apr 27, 2021, 3:09 PM

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My zigbee door sensor is "unavalable" after migrating to Docker. Should I just try to re-add it?

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:10 PM

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@blazing dagger that's often the easy way, yeah

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Or "reconfigure" but I've had limited success with that

blazing dagger Apr 27, 2021, 3:10 PM

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mighty river <@434013914091487232> that's often the easy way, yeah

What's "reconfigure?"

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Have you triggered the sensor at all?

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:11 PM

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I don't even know exactly, but it does fix some scenarios

blazing dagger Apr 27, 2021, 3:17 PM

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austere patio Have you triggered the sensor at all?

Yes

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:18 PM

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There's little risk to a re-pair anyhow, zha at least will realize it's an existing device and connect the dots

blazing dagger Apr 27, 2021, 3:19 PM

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This fixed it

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Thanks!

trim tinsel Apr 27, 2021, 3:19 PM

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I just flashed a sonoff zigbee bridge with tasmoto, set up ZHA, and then connected a sonoff motion sensor to it.

it detected motion for the first 5 min and now just shows no motion/clear constantly. I re-set/re-connected the sensor but still no luck.

any ideas on how to debug?

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:21 PM

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@trim tinsel you have 2 problems. One: the sonoff zb bridge and two: the sonoff motion sensor 😆

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How's the battery in the motion sensor?

trim tinsel Apr 27, 2021, 3:21 PM

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ha! in my defense the bridge is "supported" according to the ZHA docs

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its brand new, but somehow already at 85%

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:21 PM

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Hmz

trim tinsel Apr 27, 2021, 3:22 PM

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wait, its back to 100%

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:22 PM

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I have the same setup, and mine start to drop because of low batt even if they report plenty of juice, but shouldn't happen with fresh batts

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Then my guess is range

trim tinsel Apr 27, 2021, 3:22 PM

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its 1 foot from me :\

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:23 PM

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You being the zb bridge?

trim tinsel Apr 27, 2021, 3:23 PM

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both the bridge and sensor are right next to me

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:23 PM

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Maybe it's too close 😆

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It does have a retrigger limit of a minute or 1.5 even, but I suppose you've waited longer than that

trim tinsel Apr 27, 2021, 3:25 PM

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yeah its been 10 min

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ok, it finally detected something

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:25 PM

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Can look into signal quality then, may be wifi interference

trim tinsel Apr 27, 2021, 3:25 PM

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after 10 min of me waving my hands around it

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i have no idea what changed :\

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:26 PM

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i have no idea what changed :\ welcome to Zigbee! 😎

trim tinsel Apr 27, 2021, 3:27 PM

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as a newcomer... this doesn't bode well

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anyway thanks @mighty river

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:28 PM

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The zb bridge is also a blaring wifi interference source, so getting some distance between it and the sensor may help, but some investigation into your (and surrounding) wifi channels and your zb channel may be a good idea.

trim tinsel Apr 27, 2021, 3:28 PM

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could you point me to some blogs/docs explaining how to do that investigation?

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or where to start from

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:29 PM

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As well as checking if your zb bridge link isn't suffering from serial/wifi disconnects

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Can see signal strengths in zha, the map, etc. Can scan wifi with a phone app

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https://www.metageek.com/training/resources/zigbee-wifi-coexistence.html

trim tinsel Apr 27, 2021, 3:31 PM

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cool, thats a good starting point for me

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Serial disconnects will be logged in HA logs

ivory hound Apr 27, 2021, 3:31 PM

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i have this: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/TS0044.html#tuya-ts0044 and it sends z2m payloads weird, anyone know what is all about? i mean first click is instant but after the first click if i want to click it again there is a 1 second delay at least

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if i click at 2 seconds distance clicks are instant

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i think is related to 1_single, 1_double, 1_hold

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the wird stuff is i dont have this problem with aqara ones

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 3:41 PM

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seems it's waiting for a double click

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not sure if you can configure the wait time

ivory hound Apr 27, 2021, 3:49 PM

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yah seem not

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is like if i do single click to fast it has a lock

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it takes the second single click but publishes with delay on z2mqtt

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 3:57 PM

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Waiting for hold, then?

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Can poke around in the clusters a bit, see if there's anything about timings

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Also I'm assuming here the delay is on the zigbee side of things, but is that actually the case?

ivory hound Apr 27, 2021, 3:59 PM

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i think so

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why i don't like this is because all aqara ones that can do single double and hold

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don't have this problem

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so i see it as poor implementation from the manufacturer Tuya

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 4:01 PM

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Fully in line with what we've come to expect from them 😆

ivory hound Apr 27, 2021, 4:02 PM

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yah i did not know, is good that i bought from them only 2 things

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that switch and this one

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/TS0201.html

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 4:05 PM

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Though arguably, a lot of this is down to the individual manufacturers doing their own thing, but arguably that's on Tuya for allowing them to do that

ivory hound Apr 27, 2021, 4:05 PM

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not impressed with any of them

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 4:43 PM

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thinking about pulling the trigger on this set from ebay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/372646208459?epid=15035286341&hash=item56c371e3cb:g:YDkAAOSwv9pfhFfn I see a different set of Iris sensors on the blakadder site (https://zigbee.blakadder.com/sensors.html). Is there any reason why these i linked are a bad idea to buy? I don't have a zigbee hub yet, will be buying that as well

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@hollow quest looks like you bought those a year back. ^ in retrospect would you recommend?

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i need 20 sensors to get every door/window on my house so the ~$4/per price point is attractive, but not if they're going to be frustrating

hollow quest Apr 27, 2021, 4:46 PM

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hmm the only issue i’ve had with these is the lack of included magnet

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 4:46 PM

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you mentioned lack of battery reporting too?

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yeah i dont know what i'll do for magnet. maybe cabinet stop magnets

hollow quest Apr 27, 2021, 4:46 PM

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oh yeah let me check on that, i think battery reporting was added to zha a few releases back

hollow quest Apr 27, 2021, 4:47 PM

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cedar coyote yeah i dont know what i'll do for magnet. maybe cabinet stop magnets

i’m using a slightly smaller rectangular magnet that came with another door sensor, it doesn’t work very well

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@cedar coyote battery reporting does work now

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 4:50 PM

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i might pull the trigger. need to decide on hub as well. im a little concerned about range

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 4:50 PM

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Hm my experience with sonoff door sensors, the included magnet part is mostly air and plastic, in retrospect I should have just stuck some tiny magnets on there instead. It does help if you know the position of the magnetic sensor, and also a strong magnet helps, of course. But can do with a fingernail-sized neodymium magnet if you put in a bit of effort. They're cheap as chips, or can salvage from e.g. a cd player 🙂

sour shadow Apr 27, 2021, 4:50 PM

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cedar coyote i might pull the trigger. need to decide on hub as well. im a little concerned a...

Range is a matter of building your mesh

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 4:52 PM

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sour shadow Range is a matter of building your mesh

yeah i think i'll be okay, the front door and back door are fairly centrally located

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hmm the iris 3320s are available for $1 more per, and they're on the blakadder site. maybe i'll go that route.

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i wonder what the difference is

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 5:12 PM

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this is a shamefully dumb question. This is a zigbee hub, right? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BZQNK4L/

it doesn't mention "zigbee" on the description. I seem to recall a recommendation for Aqara

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 5:19 PM

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@cedar coyote says zigbee further down in the product description

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 5:22 PM

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cedar coyote this is a shamefully dumb question. This is a zigbee hub, right? https://www.ama...

Aqara sensors, not the hub. If you want to add random devices to your network, you generally want to avoid manufacturer hubs.

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 5:28 PM

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I have the sonoff hub and flashed tasmota, the only issue seems to be zha+ikea buttons

jolly narwhal Apr 27, 2021, 5:29 PM

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Long live ti sticks

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And zigbee2mqtt

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 5:29 PM

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yeah i could run zigbee2mqtt

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tasmota has a lean version built-in

jolly narwhal Apr 27, 2021, 5:31 PM

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cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 5:32 PM

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austere patio Aqara sensors, not the hub. If you want to add random devices to your network, y...

is there a comparably priced alternative hub that is more flexible?

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 5:32 PM

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standalone? I only know of the sonoff

jolly narwhal Apr 27, 2021, 5:32 PM

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See the topic @cedar coyote

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 5:32 PM

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or that

obsidian sandalBOT Apr 27, 2021, 5:33 PM

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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended options being the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah!, Slaesh's stick (though be aware of the well documented communication problems with the seller), Tube's CC2652P2 based coordinators and the TI Launch-XL boards. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

jolly narwhal Apr 27, 2021, 5:34 PM

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More in pinned messages

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 5:41 PM

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zha looks appealing. i'd feel better about the sonoff zbbridge if it was available on amazon. maybe thats a dumb bias.

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 5:41 PM

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yeah it is

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it'd also be 2x the price

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🙂

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I think I got mine in 2-3 weeks

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 5:43 PM

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Yeah, don't get that thing

jolly narwhal Apr 27, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Tube has some availiable boards I think

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If you are in the us

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 5:45 PM

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alright. sonoff it is. may 5th delivery

jolly narwhal Apr 27, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Don't

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 5:47 PM

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cedar coyote alright. sonoff it is. may 5th delivery

ITead Sonoff ZBBridge (Note! WiFi-based bridges are not recommended for ZHA with EZSP radios. Also, this first have to be flashed with Tasmota firmware and Silabs EmberZNet NCP EZSP UART Host firmware to use as Serial-to-IP adapter)

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 5:49 PM

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yeah im reading this https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Sonoff_ZBBridge.html

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 5:50 PM

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The "not recommended" part is what I was hoping to emphasize. WiFi serial bridges don't work that well.

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 5:51 PM

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well. ideal situation for me is, go to amazon, add a bridge to my cart, plug it in, connect my contact sensors, see them in home assistant, live a happy life. but i think i have unrealistic expectations

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 5:51 PM

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define not that well?

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my aquara sensors and ikea/home depot bulbs work awesome

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 5:51 PM

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so im trying to educate myself as to how to achieve this

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 5:57 PM

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That specific combination is the source of many complaints. If you start seeing NCP entered failed state errors and your Zigbee network becomes non-functional for 30 seconds at a time because serial communication was interrupted and needs to be reconnected, it won't be fun.

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 5:57 PM

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havent seen that on my sonoff

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 5:58 PM

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If it works for you then it works, but many people seem to have issues with serial over 2.4GHz WiFi.

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 6:02 PM

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does the conbee ii work w/ the home assistant operating system? the product description on amazon mentions rasbian

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 6:02 PM

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I do wish it had ethernet on it

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bonus points if it could do PoE

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 6:07 PM

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cedar coyote does the conbee ii work w/ the home assistant operating system? the product desc...

It'll work but you'll have better results with one of the Texas Instruments (CC2652) coordinators like Tube's (https://www.tubeszb.com/shop/coordinators/2) or a zzh (https://www.tindie.com/products/electrolama/zzh-cc2652r-multiprotocol-rf-stick/), or a SiLabs coordinator (https://www.tindie.com/products/elelabs/elelabs-zigbee-usb-adapter/)

jolly narwhal Apr 27, 2021, 6:07 PM

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this

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this

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this

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 6:12 PM

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ok cool. I hadnt heard of tubes before

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 6:13 PM

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They're like hollow sticks

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 6:13 PM

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isn't the sonoff SiLabs?

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 6:13 PM

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mighty river They're like hollow sticks

lol.

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 6:13 PM

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Stock is a bit of an issue atm, don't want to sound like an ad all the time, but tube has stock

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 6:14 PM

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well if i can plug this thing in and its gonna work and i dont have to flash a new firmware or anything it will be worth the $62

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after shipping

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 6:14 PM

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The USB coordinator is cheaper if you don't need the ethernet

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 6:15 PM

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@prisma shell yes efr32mg21, nothing wrong with that

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 6:16 PM

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ZZH is also surprisingly in stock but ships from the UK

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Hm how's the ch340 holding up on that?

jolly narwhal Apr 27, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Waiting for my zzh

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 6:19 PM

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Hasn't crashed my dev machine or my server this year so surprisingly well

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 6:20 PM

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It's just weird, for some people it's the "Just works" no.1 usb-to serial, for others it's "your regular Chinese rubbish", both are about equally represented.

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 6:21 PM

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it can be both

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 6:24 PM

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I think some people also had issues with USB passthrough or something

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 6:24 PM

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Well if it doesn't work, it can't be "Just Works", but I agree, plenty of Chinese "rubbish" that's "Good Enough"

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Yeah, usb and docker/vm are just such a sh*t storm, even moreso in the past.

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 6:26 PM

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yeah one nice thing about ip/serial

pulsar crest Apr 27, 2021, 6:26 PM

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Bonjour, je n'arrive pas a connecter mon raspbee .

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 6:26 PM

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so is this Tube zigbee company someone in this here discord?

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i got a tracking number within like 15 minutes

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 6:27 PM

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HA and a lot of other OS stuff standardizing on docker and vms for consumer-grade software is quite daring. Might be starting to work out, but twas bumpy

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@cedar coyote more like "a guy", I mean that in a positive way. Yes he's here 🙂

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 6:30 PM

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is it you euro? 🙂

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 6:30 PM

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Him and the other "indie" options like the ones above are such an awesome thing. Top-tier smartly engineered hardware and it's not even that expensive. Plus you get interaction that works

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 6:30 PM

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cool

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 6:30 PM

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Haha no, I am a customer though

cedar coyote Apr 27, 2021, 6:30 PM

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im guessing its the dude named "tube"

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https://giphy.com/gifs/culture--think-hmm-d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 6:31 PM

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that was said with a coy voice in my head

obsidian sandalBOT Apr 27, 2021, 6:31 PM

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@pulsar crest posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pCdbtfrx9h/

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 6:31 PM

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i miss when giphy was all porn

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lol

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 6:31 PM

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Good bot

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I never understood the acm0 vs tty vs ttyUSB thing, are they all the same or does acm add modem features or something? Though this is AMA, different again

jolly narwhal Apr 27, 2021, 6:35 PM

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It's historic

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Ama is arm serial ports if memory serves right

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ACM is the same for x86

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Then there is pure serial devices

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And usb serial bridges

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 6:39 PM

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But it's just the names? Nothing functionally different?

jolly narwhal Apr 27, 2021, 6:40 PM

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Sure they are

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For a regular user, not so much

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In implementation, definitely

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 6:42 PM

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@pulsar crest what's the story? Is this new out of the box? It seems to find the raspbee, but there's no response. So maybe bad serial settings, or the thing needs firmware or something

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@jolly narwhal yeah of course, but generally.. I don't get extra features (relevant, that is) when using acm vs ttyUSB?

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Like flow control or something

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Like flow control or something

tender vine Apr 27, 2021, 6:48 PM

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hi guys. pretty new to all this stuff, so hopefully somebody can point me in the right direction. my zigbee dongles came in the mail today and i just plugged them into the raspberry pi running home assistant. what is the preferred package to install to make this thing start doing the cool stuff it does?

jolly narwhal Apr 27, 2021, 6:50 PM

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@mighty river shouldn't, that is implemented in the hardware itself

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mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 7:15 PM

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@tender vine zigbee2mqtt or zha, depending on your zb hardware and religious views on integration

tender vine Apr 27, 2021, 7:17 PM

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mighty river <@392800674410397706> zigbee2mqtt or zha, depending on your zb hardware and reli...

cool. i actually just found the writeup by the dongle manufacturer for getting it running in home assistant. its looks like ZHA is what they said to use. i got the thing setup. now i dont have any other zigbee thingies around to pair with it. 😄

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but it says its working

lime locust Apr 27, 2021, 7:20 PM

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is it possible to reflash the cc2531 via USB to the latest firmware ?

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got an ancient firmware version on it

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 7:21 PM

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If by "latest" you mean 3.0.x, don't

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You can flash the latest Z-Stack Home 1.2 (https://github.com/Koenkk/Z-Stack-firmware/blob/master/coordinator/Z-Stack_Home_1.2/bin/default/CC2531_DEFAULT_20201127.zip) with https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-znp/blob/dev/TOOLS.md#flash-operations

foggy pawn Apr 27, 2021, 7:22 PM

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Hi. Probably it's been asked a hundred times before but how can I implement the following scenario?

If it's night time than a motion detector should turn on all lighting in the house, but at a minimal brightness. If it's daytime then it should restore brightness and turn on just one light group?

dense adder Apr 27, 2021, 7:23 PM

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anyone ever dealt with a sonoff snzb-03 motion sensor whos battery died? I appears to have lost it pairing also? Is there there a way to repair the device and not have it create a new device and make me have to redo all automations with new name? (using sonoff zigbee bridge flashed with tasmota)
?

lime locust Apr 27, 2021, 7:23 PM

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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2403021/

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oop-s

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worng channel

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Zigbee2MQTT:info 2021-04-27 21:23:01: Coordinator firmware version: '{"meta":{"maintrel":3,"majorrel":2,"minorrel":6,"product":0,"revision":20180507,"transportrev":2},"type":"zStack12"}'

this is my current firmware

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 7:24 PM

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Yeah, see my above message

lime locust Apr 27, 2021, 7:24 PM

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@austere patio thnks

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 7:29 PM

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lime locust <@!652580495892152331> thnks

Do an NVRAM or network backup (both are outlined in that linked document) just in case. Flashing the firmware over serial shouldn't touch NVRAM but with the CC2531 you can never be too sure

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Though if you're using Z2M it'll just write its network settings so it's probably unnecessary

lime locust Apr 27, 2021, 7:30 PM

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over serial .... but i dont have gpio pins

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 7:30 PM

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USB-serial

lime locust Apr 27, 2021, 7:30 PM

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ah

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have some wireless switches which z2m doesnt really detect nicely, heard that maybe updating cc2531 firmware might help ... ?

austere patio Apr 27, 2021, 7:32 PM

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Probably won't help but it won't hurt

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Might help if they're Hue, I believe

molten linden Apr 27, 2021, 7:57 PM

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PoE lovers rejoice... err wait another few weeks then rejoice.. maybe.. 🤣 😬

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 8:05 PM

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Yeah yeah this message sponsored by JLCPCB 😄

molten linden Apr 27, 2021, 8:06 PM

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and digi-key

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and I'm getting a puppy on Friday so time is going to be limited for a bit. 😉

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Hah, happy for ya but glad my stuff is already shipped 🙂

molten linden Apr 27, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Generally been about 7-10 days for orders from JLCPCB.

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 8:08 PM

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digi-key I would expect to be a couple of days normally, but who knows how the shortages currently affect that

molten linden Apr 27, 2021, 8:09 PM

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using the Olimex iso board, they said they had stock, so should be good.

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Well, you know, I suppose

molten linden Apr 27, 2021, 8:09 PM

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case is gonna be bigger and ⚪

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 8:12 PM

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It's gonna be a tube eventually and you know it

molten linden Apr 27, 2021, 8:13 PM

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It's Stupendous.

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(If you can decipher that you'll know the tube secret)

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 8:15 PM

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I either haven't been here long enough or I'm not smart enough 🙂

molten linden Apr 27, 2021, 8:16 PM

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first time I've ever dropped a hint

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Well to be 'earnest' you may remind me of someone, but it's just a long shot

prisma shell Apr 27, 2021, 8:36 PM

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molten linden first time I've ever dropped a hint

ill beta test

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:-p

foggy pawn Apr 27, 2021, 8:56 PM

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um.... if I have a device that likes to spam the network (and HA's database) with readings, how can I throttle it down a bit?

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I'm using Z2M

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 9:00 PM

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What device?

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 9:17 PM

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I imagine that's a binary-only solution, and one-time at that 😄

mighty river Apr 27, 2021, 10:19 PM

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for(Txt txt : txts){ } PRGRMR

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 12:25 AM

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If I make a zigbee channel change in the configuration.yaml should just a reboot of zigbee devices be sufficient or is there more to it than that?

  zigpy_config:
    network:
      channel: 15             # What channel the radio should try to use.
      channels: [15, 20, 25]  # Channel mask```

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 12:40 AM

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tribal rose If I make a zigbee channel change in the configuration.yaml should just a reboot...

Those settings only take effect when forming a new network. There's no simple way to change the channel at the moment but depending on the radio you're using, you can take a backup and change the channel in the resulting JSON

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https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-znp/blob/dev/TOOLS.md#network-backup-beta for TI radios, https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy/wiki/Coordinator-Backup-and-Migration#instructions-for-ezsp-radios for SiLabs

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 12:45 AM

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austere patio Those settings only take effect when forming a new network. There's no simple wa...

Thank you very much

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unfortunately bellows fails to install

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 12:51 AM

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In what way?

mighty river Apr 28, 2021, 1:07 AM

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An unfortunate way

molten linden Apr 28, 2021, 1:40 AM

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Or If you can run docker this is an easy way to use bellows if your local python is “having issues” https://github.com/walthowd/husbzb-firmware

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 1:59 AM

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sorry bouncing between after hours work and home assistant

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It fails in a way that fills 2 screens full of output that ends in command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1

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I'm on hassOS

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 2:07 AM

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tribal rose I'm on hassOS

You can run the docker container within hassos if you log in as root and drop into a shell with login (since hassos is built around docker) but you'd have to stop Home Assistant from also using the USB stick

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May be easier to just run this all on a second computer with Python 3.7+ installed (even windows will work, but in that case make sure to pip install pyserial-asyncio==0.4.0)

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:03 AM

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I assume if I run on a 2nd computer I need to plug the USB stick into that 2nd computer?

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:04 AM

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Yes

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:06 AM

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I guess hassos gives me no package manager to install gcc with

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I'm completely docker ignorant

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:09 AM

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That I don't know. If you're doing it all within the managed OS you may as well run the commands in https://github.com/walthowd/husbzb-firmware/#coordinator-migration

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Should just drop you into a shell where everything works, assuming you somehow shut down the home assistant docker container that's currently using your radio

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:12 AM

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well the bellows commands don't run, command not found. Unless I'm suppose to be in some other shell in this sea of shells

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:13 AM

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It's not installed in the main hassos OS

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I don't even think that environment has Python

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:13 AM

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am I supposed to switch to some docker instance first?

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:14 AM

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I wouldn't recommend doing this with the Home Assistant OS. The Docker container running Home Assistant is using your radio, which would prevent any other application running on the same machine from interfacing with your radio

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:15 AM

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wouldn't the docker container running HA then presumably have bellows?

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:15 AM

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It does but if you stop Home Assistant, the container stops as well

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:16 AM

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I guess I'm not sure why I would need to stop home assistant

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:16 AM

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Home Assistant's ZHA component uses bellows to talk to your radio. You can't have two applications exclusively controlling your radio.

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:18 AM

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two applications, I'm sorry for being so lost. What would be the 2nd application?

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:18 AM

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You running bellows from the command line

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:18 AM

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I thought I'd get into HA's shell that has bellows, and proceed to backup the config

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:18 AM

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They would both try talking to your radio over the same serial port, which won't work

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:19 AM

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And I can't stop the service that's using hte radio from within the docker?

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:19 AM

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Two drivers, one car

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:19 AM

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Sot hat I can use bellows?

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:20 AM

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The Docker container runs Home Assistant directly. You'd either have to delete the ZHA component, or stop HA, which would cause the Docker container to exit

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:20 AM

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not trying to be argumentative in the least, just trying to get a grip on the scenario.

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I think I'm okay with deleting ZHA, as long as bellows can backup the config after.

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:21 AM

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I'm not 100% sure what the consequences of doing that are, which is why I suggest installing Python and bellows on another computer, since you can just yank the stick out of your HA computer and plug it back in after you're done changing the channel

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:21 AM

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Gotcha

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Thanks for sticking with me.

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:22 AM

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Unfortunately there's no way to do this through the UI so the CLI way is the only way at the moment

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:23 AM

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That's okay I don't mind command line, but I know nothing about docker so I'm floundering a bit lol

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:24 AM

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If you have a second computer then the Docker stuff is irrelevant, since you only need an environment with Python 3.7 or above installed

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:24 AM

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let's see if I can get those on mint

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:25 AM

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It's based on Ubuntu (I think?) so it should be python3

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:25 AM

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yeah it's ubuntu-ish

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:26 AM

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So something like apt install python3-pip and pip3 install bellows should work

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:26 AM

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thanks

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looks like bellows won't install here either

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different kind of errors.

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but i'm not entirely sure it isn't network related so trying something..

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That's better, hopefully this works

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man that eui64 warning is ominous but i suppose it doesnt' really matter

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:46 AM

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The one indicating that you can't overwrite your adapter's EUI64 more than once?

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:46 AM

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yeah

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:46 AM

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You can probably skip that option

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Since you aren't

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:51 AM

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I'm not clear on which option excludes it. I see sudo bellows -d /dev/ttyUSBX restore --i-understand-i-can-update-eui64-only-once-and-i-still-want-to-do-it -B backup.txt and sudo bellows d /dev/ttyUSBX -f -B backup.txt

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:51 AM

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It's only necessary for restore

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I'd try it without first

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:51 AM

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sorry pulling from 2 different articles here

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without the long switch, or without the -f

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To me the long switch reads, do the thing anyway, and -f reads "force it"

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so i'm not clear on which one is doing the eui64 write.

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:54 AM

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I believe the second command should just be bellows -d /dev/... backup > backup.json

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Not sure where -f is coming from, it's not a recognized flag

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:55 AM

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So from here...

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https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy/wiki/Coordinator-Backup-and-Migration#instructions-for-ezsp-radios

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Under restore procedure

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Do the really long one, then check info, if EUI64 doesn't match, do the short one with -f

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So it almost seems like either way you're writing EUI64 doesn't it?

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:57 AM

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bellows -d /dev/... restore --force --backup-file backup.json works for me

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 3:58 AM

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Alright

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I guess the only other part I'm not clear on. https://github.com/walthowd/husbzb-firmware/#coordinator-migration has backup, swap sticks, restore. I'd skip swap sticks, backup and restore. How would that enable the channel change?

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Or do I edit the JSON in between

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:59 AM

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The latter

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Swapping sticks is only for when you physically want to switch between two coordinator sticks

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Since you'd need to migrate the network settings from the old one to the new one

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 4:00 AM

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yeah i don't have 2 sticks.

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I just wnat to change the channel

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:00 AM

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So you can edit the channel in the backup and restore it to the same stick

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 4:00 AM

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got it

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:01 AM

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Should be "radioChannel": ...

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I just tested the above two commands with my HUSBZB-1 and they worked fine

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bellows -d /dev... info confirms that the channel was changed

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You'll likely have to physically reboot every router on your network for them to maybe pick up the new channel

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Sensors might not migrate

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 4:04 AM

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fortunately i only have lights at the moment

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:06 AM

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Plugging in the USB stick back into your HA computer should work fine, without having to restart HA or ZHA

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 4:08 AM

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well

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I think i have a path problem with bellows running.. hmm..

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:09 AM

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If you're running all of these commands on a separate computer it shouldn't matter

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Or do you mean that the backup and restore don't actually run because your serial port path is different on your second computer?

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 4:10 AM

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No mean bellows throws a python error

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sec, i'll get it

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:13 AM

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Try sudo ./bellows or sudo chmod 777 /dev/ttyUSB0 # :( and run it again as your user?

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 4:14 AM

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runs as local user, does not run as sudo..

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:14 AM

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You likely did pip install --user?

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 4:14 AM

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I'm thiking a PATH problem

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nope

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:15 AM

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pip doesn't install to ~/.local/bin by default so 🤷‍♂️ . The chmod thing (sorry permissions) should work though.

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 4:17 AM

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1 2 skip a few..

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lol beats me

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:19 AM

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It runs fine, your user just doesn't have permission to open serial ports. Pretty sure that has something to do with the dialout group on Ubuntu but the "quick" fix is to just...let anyone communicate with the serial port (I assume it's actually /dev/ttyUSB0, easier to use /dev/serial/by-id/<some sensible name>)

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 4:20 AM

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yeah exactly

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and when sudo it seems to lose some needed path

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:20 AM

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Hence the chmod "fix"

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 4:20 AM

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i tried dropping into root and adding this dir to path but that didn't help

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I 777'd it, still no love. it's executable but i think line 5 is making a reference to something else somewhere else

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oh, you mean 777 the device?

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:21 AM

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Yeah

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 4:21 AM

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lol sorry i missed that

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sure

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alright, hurray brute force

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okay, info now reads radioChannel=25,

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:27 AM

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Looks like it worked

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 4:27 AM

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now i'll plug it back in, and throw the main breaker to the house XD

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:27 AM

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See, this is much easier than doing it from a web UI. Make sure to keep the breaker off for like 5s. If you only momentarily flip it, some devices don't actually reboot.

tribal rose Apr 28, 2021, 4:41 AM

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good to know, thanks

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they dont' seem to be figuring out hte new channel, I might need to reset them.

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very possibly just how these bulbs are

edgy crescent Apr 28, 2021, 5:05 AM

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Hey all. Got a weird one. Just introduced a SNZB-02 temp/humidity sensor. Using Google to get temp reading. I've got the entities set up as temp_sensor.bedroom_temperature and such. When I ask Google for my bedroom temperature it comes back with "the temperature is off and it's currently XX degrees"

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Why is it reporting the temperature is "off" when it doesn't have an on/off state?

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Same results for humidity too

ivory hound Apr 28, 2021, 5:59 AM

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edgy crescent Why is it reporting the temperature is "off" when it doesn't have an on/off stat...

i think that's more related to google then zigbee, I get that sensor is zigbee but from what I understand google is reporting that sensor temp / humidity? if so then go #integrations-archived as long as you can see that sensor temp and humidity in your ha correctly zigbee is ok

edgy crescent Apr 28, 2021, 7:39 AM

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ivory hound i think that's more related to google then zigbee, I get that sensor is zigbee b...

Yeah it's reporting the right values but it's weird hearing it say the temperature is off haha. Thanks though.

ivory hound Apr 28, 2021, 7:48 AM

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yah thats google all the way nothing to do with zigbee

edgy crescent Apr 28, 2021, 8:14 AM

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ivory hound yah thats google all the way nothing to do with zigbee

Oh yeah definitely. I checked entities in the integration and HA is only sending the actual temp/humidity values. Checked in Google Home and found the name of the devices was set to what they did. Changing that name from "temperature" or "humidity" would cause Google to read out ""insert line here" is off and the temperature is 26 degrees"

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So now I just have to find a funny name or something to put into the sensor name field in Google Home.

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Ooooh, I might call them all "All bets"

ivory hound Apr 28, 2021, 8:15 AM

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please move this to #integrations-archived

lofty whale Apr 28, 2021, 10:39 AM

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Hi there, Im a little confused with these wifi and zigbee devices. I know we can tasmotize zigbee bridges like the Sonoff Zigbee bridge. But do we tasmotize the other devices like zigbee switches and sensors?

forest cobalt Apr 28, 2021, 10:56 AM

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lofty whale Hi there, Im a little confused with these wifi and zigbee devices. I know we can...

Nope. Sensors and such stay the same. Personally, I'd recommend against getting a bridge device and get a proper coordinator. The Sonoff bridge in particular is a recipe for disaster as it puts a WiFi radio and a Zigbee radio right next to each other. Interference hell.

lofty whale Apr 28, 2021, 10:59 AM

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Im going crazy flashing some of these tuya wifi switches and I am thinking of switching to zigbee ones but Im not sure how they work

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Anyone knows a good channel for flashing tasmotize for Tuya devices?

forest cobalt Apr 28, 2021, 11:01 AM

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Zigbee works like WiFi does, with some caveats. You can only have a single coordinator per network and the range is basically about 2/3rds of a WiFi signal due to power (Zigbee is a low-power protocol). But, you can add as many repeaters as you need. Repeaters are mains-powered devices (plugs, switches, bulbs, etc).

lofty whale Apr 28, 2021, 11:04 AM

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Is the latency of zigbee greater than wifi?

sour shadow Apr 28, 2021, 11:04 AM

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Not meaningfully

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The data rate is lower, but then it's only sending small messages, and it's designed for this

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https://www.silabs.com/documents/login/application-notes/an1138-zigbee-mesh-network-performance.pdf

sinful swift Apr 28, 2021, 1:56 PM

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lofty whale Is the latency of zigbee greater than wifi?

The wake and connect time for wifi battery powered devices is appalling. In the order of 5-10 seconds.

prisma shell Apr 28, 2021, 2:10 PM

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yeah it might be 1s if my zigbee button is deep sleep

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Devices wake up periodically (couple times per hour) to report battery status so they're never really in a deep sleep. Which button takes a second to register a click?

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Hi there, I am having a very strange issue with an automation. HA is fully up to date. I have a ZZH stick all working fine with ZHA. I am using an Aqara motion sensor to turn on a Lidl light in the hall and a timer to turn it off again after 2 mins. This automation was working fine until I tried to change from using device.turn on to service.lights on. The automation fires as expected, HA thinks the light is on (Lovelace shows the toggle pill change from grey/left to blue/right), but the light is not actually on. If I toggle the light off and on via Lovelace, the light comes on as expected. There are no errors thrown in the logs. The timer fires correctly and I can see the countdown, and the automation to turn the light off works fine. I have deleted and recreated the automation. This morning it seemed to fix with a reboot of the host but it's not working again now. Does anyone have any suggestions? I did post in Automation but was advised to post here as ZHA/HA believes the zigbee light is on. Thank you

mighty river Apr 28, 2021, 3:04 PM

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@minor pumice checked the signal quality, e.g. in the visualization? I had some similar issues and it turned out to be a range issue

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 3:05 PM

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would that be the case if I can toggle the light off/on and it comes on OK whilst the timer is running?

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It shows as a 95 on the connection between the bulb and ZZH, also has routes via the mesh

mighty river Apr 28, 2021, 3:07 PM

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If it's greenish then it's probably not a range issue, then.

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 3:07 PM

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It switches on fine manually, and it switches off per the automation

mighty river Apr 28, 2021, 3:10 PM

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Hm, maybe set zha to a higher log level and catch the event, see if it tells you more

sour shadow Apr 28, 2021, 3:12 PM

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That it shows on in HA means that ZHA thinks the bulb is on

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 3:15 PM

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That's what is puzzling me, I know when a light isn't connected, my experience is that the toggle went back to the position it was in

mighty river Apr 28, 2021, 3:15 PM

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Is it a single light? Not a ZB group or ha light group?

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 3:16 PM

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single light, not a group either HA or ZB

mighty river Apr 28, 2021, 3:18 PM

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Alright, well that eliminates another issue that I could think of

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 3:31 PM

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minor pumice Hi there, I am having a very strange issue with an automation. HA is fully up to...

Enable ZHA debug logging to see what the problem is: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging

mighty river Apr 28, 2021, 3:35 PM

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Oui

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 3:52 PM

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Tried putting this on pastebin but it's in Read Only mode at the moment.
2021-04-28 16:41:19 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base] [0x9D07:1:0x0006]: executed 'on' command with args: '()' kwargs: '{}' result: [1, <Status.SUCCESS: 0>]
2021-04-28 16:41:19 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.entity] light.tz3000_dbou1ap4_ts0505a_4488d1fe_level_light_color_on_off: turned on: {'on_off': [1, <Status.SUCCESS: 0>]}
2021-04-28 16:42:24 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base] [0x4A4C:1:0x0008]: received attribute: 0 update with value: 255
2021-04-28 16:43:19 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base] [0x9D07:1:0x0008]: executed 'move_to_level_with_on_off' command with args: '(0, 30.0)' kwargs: '{}' result: [4, <Status.SUCCESS: 0>]
2021-04-28 16:43:19 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.entity] light.tz3000_dbou1ap4_ts0505a_4488d1fe_level_light_color_on_off: turned off: [4, <Status.SUCCESS: 0>]
2021-04-28 16:43:25 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base] [0x9D07:1:0x0008]: executed 'move_to_level_with_on_off' command with args: '(1, 1)' kwargs: '{}' result: [4, <Status.SUCCESS: 0>]
2021-04-28 16:43:25 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.entity] light.tz3000_dbou1ap4_ts0505a_4488d1fe_level_light_color_on_off: turned on: {'move_to_level_with_on_off': [4, <Status.SUCCESS: 0>]}
First time worked, after restarting the server to enable logging. Second time did not work.

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:04 PM

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minor pumice Tried putting this on pastebin but it's in Read Only mode at the moment. 2021-04...

The zigpy log lines have all the useful stuff. You can put them here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/

orchid ore Apr 28, 2021, 4:08 PM

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I am getting back into HA again. I bought a conbee II in 2019. Is it the same hardware?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PZ7ZHG5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:22 PM

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All the conbees are the same

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 4:22 PM

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Thank you. Updated Logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xHf2tyktz5/ the device in question is the light.tz3000_dbou1ap4_ts0505a_4488d1fe_level_light_color_on_off. After a server restart, it seems to work once, then subsequent triggers don't actually turn the light on.

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Can you post the unredacted log for all lines matching zigpy and zha? You should have lines with zigpy, zigpy_znp, and zha.

orchid ore Apr 28, 2021, 4:37 PM

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@austere patio thank you! where can i get info on how to update it?

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Update it?

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 4:53 PM

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https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GHf4Y3rKr2/ @mystic copper

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Thank you

orchid ore Apr 28, 2021, 5:00 PM

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update the firmware on conbee

sour shadow Apr 28, 2021, 5:06 PM

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That'd be handled within the deCONZ UI AFAIK

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 5:09 PM

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minor pumice https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GHf4Y3rKr2/ <@!486602014030037007>

Hmm. I'm not seeing anything unusual in the log. What part of it corresponds to the device "turning on" without turning on?

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 5:11 PM

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austere patio Hmm. I'm not seeing anything unusual in the log. What part of it corresponds to ...

Towards the end, light.tz3000_dbou1ap4_ts0505a_4488d1fe_level_light_color_on_off: turned on: {'move_to_level_with_on_off': [4, <Status.SUCCESS: 0>]}. The only thing I can see in the logs, when it worked after a server restart it was a [1,<status rather than 4. It's bizzare.

stiff coral Apr 28, 2021, 5:22 PM

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should this not mean that lidl silvercrest doorbell is now supported?
https://github.com/jurriaan/deconz-rest-plugin/commit/e09d3365cf84fd13323ef772f242fa644efc3f7a

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 5:29 PM

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minor pumice Tried putting this on pastebin but it's in Read Only mode at the moment. 2021-04...

When you say "the first one", there are three commands in your log: on, move_to_level_with_on_off(level=0, transition=30s), and move_to_level_with_on_off(level=1, transition=1s)

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Do you mean that the second move_to_level_with_on_off didn't turn your light on?

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Some lights apparently don't respect the _with_on_off part of the command so they may need to be sent an explicit on afterwards (if I'm reading ZHA's source right?)

tropic depot Apr 28, 2021, 5:33 PM

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If so, open an issue with the content of the Zigbee device information dialog and state that that is the case… we have a list of devices that force the on command

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 5:33 PM

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austere patio Do you mean that the second `move_to_level_with_on_off` didn't turn your light o...

No, that log didn't capture the 'working' automation. Too many people moving around so waited until the motion stopped detecting, the timer was idle and the light off. In the extract I posted earlier, you can see the line:
light.tz3000_dbou1ap4_ts0505a_4488d1fe_level_light_color_on_off: turned on: {'on_off': [1, <Status.SUCCESS: 0>]}
which worked, I then went to trigger it again and saw
light.tz3000_dbou1ap4_ts0505a_4488d1fe_level_light_color_on_off: turned on: {'move_to_level_with_on_off': [4, <Status.SUCCESS: 0>]}
which didn't. I can see the difference being the command on_off and move_to_level

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 5:34 PM

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So your light works with on_off but doesn't do move_to_level_with_on_off properly?

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 5:34 PM

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yeah looks to be

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 5:35 PM

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Thanks Tuya

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 5:35 PM

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I couldn't see the difference to start with, I am happy to add an issue under GH, which repo would be best to do so?

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 5:39 PM

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I think one in HA's repo for the ZHA component (https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/new/choose) but @tropic depot can clarify

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Grab the "Zigbee Device Signature" as well if you're going to create the issue, it'll provide the required info about the device to fix it specifically

tropic depot Apr 28, 2021, 5:41 PM

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Yup

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https://github.com/home-assistant/core/blob/296dc9303fc722658a60cb6ca84f550d63c1722f/homeassistant/components/zha/light.py#L536 we just need to add the right info here…

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 5:44 PM

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This isn't done with a quirk that overrides move_to_level_with_on_off to also call on_off?

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Thank you both, will get it sorted

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 5:50 PM

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Thanks for the logs, I'm sure there are tons of other people with white-label Tuya bulbs experiencing this same issue

solid inlet Apr 28, 2021, 6:03 PM

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Anyone using Xiaomi Light Sensor (GZCGQ01LM) through deCONZ? Mine will not drain battery, shows 100% after a year almost. Have tried lifting the battery

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 6:07 PM

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Have you tried installing a mostly discharged battery?

solid inlet Apr 28, 2021, 6:08 PM

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The idea is great, but only have two devices, of same age. No other batteries to try unfortunately

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 6:09 PM

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If it's like the other Aqara sensors, they last for a few years for me but the battery percentage/voltage doesn't really drop much until the device is effectively dead

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I don't use deCONZ and have no idea how to enable debug logging for it but from what I understand, this Aqara sensor specifically is Zigbee 3.0 compliant and should be reporting its own battery percentage

solid inlet Apr 28, 2021, 6:10 PM

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Aha.. Thanks, that is good to know. It is not a major thing really, but would be nice to know when it's time to order new batteries... 🙂

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 6:11 PM

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Can you read the battery voltage and battery percentage from its power configuration (0x0001) cluster?

solid inlet Apr 28, 2021, 6:11 PM

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Oh... how would I do that?

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 6:12 PM

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deCONZ should have a GUI to do all this. I don't use it so 🤷‍♂️

mellow geode Apr 28, 2021, 6:13 PM

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austere patio This isn't done with a quirk that overrides `move_to_level_with_on_off` to also ...

I think that was the original plan but the commands are on different clusters and it wasn't easily possible (or something like that).

tropic depot Apr 28, 2021, 6:13 PM

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austere patio This isn't done with a quirk that overrides `move_to_level_with_on_off` to also ...

No

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 6:13 PM

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Ah

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Forgot about that

tropic depot Apr 28, 2021, 6:13 PM

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Yeah it’s a PITA

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it can be done… but for now it’s like this

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needs eventing between clusters and 2 cluster replacements per bulb

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I’ll get the motivation to do it at some point (maybe)

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 6:15 PM

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You can't look at the cluster's endpoint attribute and then access its on_off cluster from within the level_control quirk?

tropic depot Apr 28, 2021, 6:15 PM

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You can I guess

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Never thought of that tbh

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🤦🏻‍♂️

solid inlet Apr 28, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Thanks, I will read up a bit on deCONZ. Haven't really yet so probably a lot to learn about it...

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 6:17 PM

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It's basically the first image in its manual: https://www.dresden-elektronik.de/funk/software/deconz.html?file=files/dresden-elektronik/content/downloads/dokumente/funktechnik/deCONZ-BHB-en.pdf

solid inlet Apr 28, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Ah! 🙂 That one... When accessing it one gets two options, deCONZ and Phoscon. The latter a lot simpler interface. Will try the other one 👍

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Yeah, the former seems to give you much lower-level access to the Zigbee network

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You should see a "Power Configuration" cluster on some endpoint on your sensor, which will have various battery attributes you can try reading

solid inlet Apr 28, 2021, 6:23 PM

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Must be powerful batteries... Says "Mains" under power source... 😉 Lots of stuff in here, thanks for the hint!

mighty river Apr 28, 2021, 6:30 PM

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I have restartet my Raspberry and now i have 2 Gateways in deconz with the same ID

mighty river Apr 28, 2021, 6:54 PM

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I have found why it was happen but i am not shure how to fix it.
I have installed the HA with the Raspberry Image and there the HA runs in a docker.
The problem is that at installation time the stick was insertet when the system was running and it gets an IP from the Docker container.
Not at the reboot it gets the IP from the real system. So the HA thinks that this are 2 Devices.

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 7:09 PM

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https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/49825 Thank you Puddly & dmulchey. I will try and re-pair the device and get the signature when there is noone around to annoy

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might have a "workaround" where I create a scene with the bulb and activate the scene .... edit ... never mind. didn't work

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 7:20 PM

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minor pumice https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/49825 Thank you Puddly & dmulchey....

No need for the pairing log, the signature is displayed when you click the button: https://i.imgur.com/kFldS7b.png

mellow geode Apr 28, 2021, 7:23 PM

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(It's still mentioned that re-pairing is required in the ZHA quirks repo's issue template: https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/blob/dev/.github/ISSUE_TEMPLATE/device-support-request.md#:~:text=device signature "Device signature")

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 7:25 PM

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Hmm, that may need to be changed

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Or at least clarified

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Though for quirks the pairing log contains more info than the signature so 🤷‍♂️

mellow geode Apr 28, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Ah, yes.

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I guess that's a good argument for not changing it 😄

minor pumice Apr 28, 2021, 7:29 PM

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OK added the device signature to the GH issue

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 7:30 PM

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Thanks!

fading moth Apr 28, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Does anyone know how to reach out to slaeh's iot stuff?
I paid 80 EUR for two sticks and received none and after several e-mails, telegram messages, etc no response whatsoever.

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 7:41 PM

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fading moth Does anyone know how to reach out to slaeh's iot stuff? I paid 80 EUR for two st...

You may be able to find more info here: https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/discussions/6702

fading moth Apr 28, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Thanks, yeah he seems to be a scammer

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Specifically the cancelmyorder@slae.sh e-mail

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Dunno what the actual failure rate is for his shipments

fading moth Apr 28, 2021, 7:47 PM

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I got an email with the tracking number, but the tracking says:

The item was scanned on 24.01.2021 and returned to sender.
January, 24 2021 09:48 Local time

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And radio silence for more than 3 months. This is ridiculous

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Yeah, it's a pretty unfortunate situation. He seems to have had major logistics issues and is dealing with them really poorly.

vapid kettle Apr 28, 2021, 8:00 PM

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I am looking for a Zigbee in wall outlet for the US with energy monitoring. I am using DeConz to communicate with my Zigbee Network. I found this on Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/Jasco-Receptacle-Monitoring-Tamper-Resistant-43132/dp/B08G58HVL5/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=jasco+zigbee+outlet&qid=1619639631&sr=8-5) but have no idea whether or not it will work with DeConz. Any help that you could give would be greatly appreciated.

fading moth Apr 28, 2021, 8:01 PM

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austere patio Yeah, it's a pretty unfortunate situation. He seems to have had major logistics ...

Yeah.. Btw, where did you get the cancelmyorder e-mail? On github I only see "And if you want to cancel your order, just mail to @.*** "

austere patio Apr 28, 2021, 8:02 PM

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fading moth Yeah.. Btw, where did you get the cancelmyorder e-mail? On github I only see "An...

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/cc2652-from-slae-sh/288850/10

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Dunno if it will "work" for an already-shipped order

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But it's the only thing left before dealing with your payment processor directly

rocky mauve Apr 28, 2021, 8:43 PM

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Hi. I have a conbee ii. Last days I noticed in logs that there is a hardwareaction.add and then a hardwareaction.remove of the device which repeats several times. Are there some issues or I have some fault hardware maybe? Had no issues until lately and haven’t done much of anything except applying HA and addon updates..

ivory hound Apr 29, 2021, 5:23 AM

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rocky mauve Hi. I have a conbee ii. Last days I noticed in logs that there is a hardwareacti...

:))) I am sorry man i am not laughing at your misfortune, just laughing because most problems here are about conbee

jolly narwhal Apr 29, 2021, 6:19 AM

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🤣

minor pumice Apr 29, 2021, 7:50 AM

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Thank you for the help last night, I have done a workaround this morning, calling the Issue Zigbee Cluster Command Service:

service: zha.issue_zigbee_cluster_command
data:
  ieee: '00:0d:6f:00:05:7d:2d:34'
  endpoint_id: 1
  cluster_id: 6
  cluster_type: in
  command_type: server
  command: 1

solid inlet Apr 29, 2021, 7:55 AM

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I have a couple of Xiaomi Light Sensor (GZCGQ01LM) through deCONZ. They are defiantely battery devices, but report 100% battery after a very long usage. When looking at them in deCONZ, they actually report as "Mains" devices... Can it be determined if that is a problem with my devices or deCONZ reading them?

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 7:59 AM

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Mine report (in Z2M) as battery, but if both of yours report as mains I'd say that's probably a deCONZ issue

obsidian sandalBOT Apr 29, 2021, 7:59 AM

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deCONZ by dresden elektronik is a software that communicates with ConBee/RaspBee Zigbee gateways and exposes Zigbee devices that are connected to the gateway. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 7:59 AM

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I'd ask them directly ☝️

solid inlet Apr 29, 2021, 7:59 AM

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Cool! I will, thanks! 🙂

heady forum Apr 29, 2021, 8:43 AM

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My ikea remotes are consuming batteries like crazy running ZHA. Latest one lasted only a few days before running out. Does anyone have tips for this?

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 8:43 AM

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Sounds like the signal isn't strong enough

heady forum Apr 29, 2021, 8:44 AM

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The zigbee router is located less then a meter way, and I also have 3 zigbee lights in the ceiling as routers..

minor pumice Apr 29, 2021, 9:16 AM

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What Zigbee router are you on? there is an issue with them on Tasmota Sonoff devices

heady forum Apr 29, 2021, 9:20 AM

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I have an slae.sh cc2652rb stick , running the latest firmware from Koenkk/Z-Stack-firmware

shut pagoda Apr 29, 2021, 9:55 AM

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Since i've never had any issues i suck at debugging zigbee.. How can i see if the device is alive and sending data since it seems its not sending? Z2M in use, door sensor might be broken / stuck, dunno..

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 9:56 AM

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I usually open the Z2M UI and see what it reports

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If you've enabled last_seen it'll tell you when it last reported in

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You can also then operate the device and see what happens

shut pagoda Apr 29, 2021, 9:57 AM

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which part in particular? it all looks ok to me, no logs, but.. hmm, need to check last_seen. Its a door sensor and its been saying door is open for many days (no idea when it actually started)

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 9:57 AM

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I find last_seen really handy for spotting when things fall off

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Though, often something no longer reporting is a battery issue

shut pagoda Apr 29, 2021, 9:58 AM

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ah, found it, looks to be disabled, thanks for the tipi, enabling

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 9:59 AM

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Yeah, I think it's disabled by default

shut pagoda Apr 29, 2021, 10:02 AM

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last_seen: 2021-04-14T17:16:15.865Z

right on.. Need to try to give it a kick, maybe wrap some alerts around the last_seen also.

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faulty device or something maybe, batter was reported last time to be 100% and 3200mV - this is the "scary" part when things report their last known values while not making it obvious they can be years old.. 🙂

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Reseating the battery got it online but seems to report incorrect state, also link quality didn't change from next to the stick to the door, might try with a new battery before declaring it as broken

dim badge Apr 29, 2021, 10:49 AM

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Morning all! I'm new to HA and loving it! There's one bit I'm getting stuck with. I've got a dimmer switch in Zigbee2MQTT addon which is missing the brightness in HA (it exists in MQTT). I've performed an event listen in HA and can see that the brightness is being passed in:
Message 89 received on zigbee2mqtt/Office dimmer at 11:47: { "brightness": 85, "level": 340, "linkquality": 192, "state": "ON" }

I know I need to something with the configuration.yaml but I can't find a good guide - please can someone point me in the right direction?

As a side note, I found that the event listener under dev options shows nothing even if I put # in the listen field, whereas the one under the MQTT addon with a # shows everything - am I doing something wrong there?

thick plover Apr 29, 2021, 11:44 AM

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Is there a way in zigbee2mqtt to set that if power comes back on with a device, in this case a light, a certain state can be set like it can be in the Philips Hue app?

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 11:46 AM

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If the device, and Z2M, support it you can set it in Z2M's UI

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Only a handful of devices, mostly Hue ISTR, are supported right now

thick plover Apr 29, 2021, 11:47 AM

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ISTR?

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 11:47 AM

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I Seem To Recall

thick plover Apr 29, 2021, 11:47 AM

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I googled it and it came up with a post from you on the community page 😄

dim badge Apr 29, 2021, 11:54 AM

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dim badge Morning all! I'm new to HA and loving it! There's one bit I'm getting stuck with...

I'm guessing this is either such a basic question that you're rolling your eyes thinking RTFM! OR much more complicated and not enough detail provided...!
I'm OK either way but would really appreciate a little nudge in the right direction 🙂

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 11:55 AM

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Are you using Discovery in both HA and Z2M?

dim badge Apr 29, 2021, 11:55 AM

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Yep

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 11:55 AM

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Does it show a dimmer option in the Z2M frontend?

dim badge Apr 29, 2021, 11:55 AM

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Yep

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 11:55 AM

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blink

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You're on 1.18.2 (or 1.18.1) for Z2M?

dim badge Apr 29, 2021, 11:56 AM

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If you're the same Tinkerer as the Bearded Tinkerer from youtube, then I followed your guide to pull the latest-dev build for Z2M and the openssl version for Mosquitto

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 11:56 AM

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No, I'm not

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And I'd never recommend folks run dev releases unless they know what they're doing

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Step #1 is to run a stable release and confirm the issue there

dim badge Apr 29, 2021, 11:57 AM

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OK - I'll do that now , thanks 🙂 !

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doesnt appear there is a 'stable' tag for Z2M on docker, I am running 1.18.2

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 12:02 PM

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I think they use latest

dim badge Apr 29, 2021, 12:05 PM

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Thanks 👍
So here's two screenshots, one of Z2M with the brightness, and one in HA without:

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ah image sharing is trned off in here for me

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here ya go: https://imgur.com/a/gNmEjPa

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 12:08 PM

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What's the HA entity_id?

dim badge Apr 29, 2021, 12:11 PM

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That's odd - I can see it in States and the brightness is there, it's just not present when i create an automation

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'light.office_dimmer'

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 12:14 PM

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Ah, lights only have a brightness (or colour) when they're on

dim badge Apr 29, 2021, 12:15 PM

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hmm - but I can't access brightness even when the light is on in the automations section, i just have set to on/off or toggle 😕

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 12:15 PM

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Sounds like a bug in HA

dim badge Apr 29, 2021, 12:17 PM

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OK I can look into raising that.
Is there somewhere where I can manually edit the entity / devices so I can get it to show up? Brightness only shows in states, not under devices or entities.

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I read about adding code to the configuration.yaml to support devices but couldnt find a beginners guide

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 12:19 PM

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Well, you can just edit the YAML for the automation

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https://home-assistant.io/integrations/light covers the service calls

dim badge Apr 29, 2021, 12:19 PM

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OK cool - I've read that so will give it a go 👍 Thanks a lot for your help 🙂

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You're not going to believe this but I just went to create an automation so I could add the yaml and it froze for a second then brightness popped into the list... how very odd!

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Along with a bunch of options for flashing etc - wish I knew what happened!

thick plover Apr 29, 2021, 12:38 PM

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how can I tell if I am running a dev / edge version of z2m?

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 12:41 PM

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Well, how did you install it?

thick plover Apr 29, 2021, 12:42 PM

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docker container... hang on... 😄

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 12:42 PM

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Yup, look at your compose file

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Or, if you're a barbarian, your command line ablobgrimace

thick plover Apr 29, 2021, 12:50 PM

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just using the koenkk/zigbee2mqtt image

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 12:51 PM

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As far as I know that defaults then to :latest which for Z2M is the most recent stable release

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That's not the case for everything though

thick plover Apr 29, 2021, 12:51 PM

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yeah it did list as latest

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https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/746

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pretty much trying to figure out how tf to do this

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like, where am I meant to put the code to set the power_on_behaviour?

thick plover Apr 29, 2021, 1:13 PM

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Think I have found an easier way in the UI, color_temp_startup - can set it to previous Color temperature after cold power on of this light

pulsar skiff Apr 29, 2021, 2:12 PM

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Any zigbee devices with an eye towards homebrewing?

violet dagger Apr 29, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Anything with cc2530

rocky mauve Apr 29, 2021, 4:16 PM

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ivory hound :))) I am sorry man i am not laughing at your misfortune, just laughing because ...

There is a more preferred device? I believed conbee was the go to dongle, maybe that was incorrect. But for all I know it may not be hardware, don’t know. I just noticed having rebooted the device last night nothing in logs now. I use rPi4, HAOS, with conbee and have not even physically touched the device for many many months, never an issue until now suddenly. I imagine such things are difficult to root cause. I did search the channel and google and found a few instances of the same behaviour, people suggesting updating firmware and hardware failure but with no explanation why or if anything they did resolved it.

ivory hound Apr 29, 2021, 4:17 PM

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what integration?

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if is deCONZ then no you can't use anything else

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you are bound to conbee, xbee etc

rocky mauve Apr 29, 2021, 4:20 PM

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I use ZHA. Have from beginning. Tbh I only use it for a few battery powered temp / humidity sensors etc. but also in recent months started binding some hue dimmer switches and motion sensors directly rather than via hue integration.

ivory hound Apr 29, 2021, 4:21 PM

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rocky mauve I use ZHA. Have from beginning. Tbh I only use it for a few battery powered temp...

for zha to be honest i would go with this: https://elelabs.com/products/elelabs-usb-adapter.html

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but if you want to be able to switch zha with zigbee2mqtt

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i would go with this: https://electrolama.com/projects/zig-a-zig-ah/

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but for ZHA https://elelabs.com/products/elelabs-usb-adapter.html works very very well

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and you can update firmware on it

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you dont need crazy stuff do do it like usb to serial and all crazy things

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just a linux machine and some knowledge

rocky mauve Apr 29, 2021, 4:24 PM

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Well conbee stick gave no issues for 1 year, zero complaint or issue. Maybe I was lucky then.

ivory hound Apr 29, 2021, 4:24 PM

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sooner or later we will meet here again 🙂

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but yes maybe you are very lucky

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there are more ppl that use conbee stick without issues it depends a lot of use case scenarios

rocky mauve Apr 29, 2021, 4:32 PM

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I guess see how it goes if it starts again

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Out of interest as I have your ear.. do you know if it is possible to connect a hue dimmer switch device to both HA via ZHA/Dongle and have it also attached to the hue hub?

ivory hound Apr 29, 2021, 4:41 PM

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i dont think so

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if you pair it to ZHA will not be paired to the bulb and vice versa

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but

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and i did not test this

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i believe you can do a bind in ZHA

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tbh i have those dimmers and use them from years

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i used them with ZHA, Zigbee2MQTT and they work flawlessly

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never need to bind them

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the only problem that I encounter on ZHA and on Zigbee2MQTT is the continuous push of dimmer is not linear

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i think is way more linear and continuous when is bonded to the bulb directly

gentle flint Apr 29, 2021, 4:46 PM

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heady forum My ikea remotes are consuming batteries like crazy running ZHA. Latest one last...

Try latest beta. Reset and rejoin the remote.

mighty river Apr 29, 2021, 6:54 PM

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#zha cannot get a shenzhen homa RGB led driver to work with ZHA - is it possible? Only on/off + brightness working

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 7:02 PM

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Hi, I have tried updating my ZHAQuirks, but now my Zigbee devices are not working. Anyone here able to offer guidance on how to recover?

molten linden Apr 29, 2021, 7:10 PM

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if you are running supervised/hassos you can just rebuild the ha container and it will wipe out any changes you made to the quirks folder

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 7:14 PM

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any reference to rebuilding the ha container?

molten linden Apr 29, 2021, 7:15 PM

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it's via the ha-cli

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command line

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so you need to have an add-on installed that will give you a command line.

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via ssh or via a shell in the browser

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 7:16 PM

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my install is using the Virtualbox method and I have Portainer installed, so it is that command line I need to get to?

molten linden Apr 29, 2021, 7:17 PM

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no, do you have visual studio addon?

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that has a terminal

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command is ha core rebuild

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 7:18 PM

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no, I will add now

cedar coyote Apr 29, 2021, 7:31 PM

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dumb question but is there any guidance on what kind of usb power supply rating to use w/ this tube zigbee gateway?

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i dont see it in the readme on github so maybe 1A or even 0.5A is fine

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 7:34 PM

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OK, so I ran that command, which brought up a 'processing' and I lost connection for a few mins

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sadly no change, should I uninstall ZHA and reinstall?

molten linden Apr 29, 2021, 7:43 PM

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odd.. do you get an error in your logs that you could post to paste.ubuntu

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 7:48 PM

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https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BY9hWB3Gx8/

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looks like zigbee comms are working

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seems as if the comms to the tasmota gateway is working (to me)

molten linden Apr 29, 2021, 8:01 PM

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that looks fine. I think there is one error which doesn't look too big of a deal to me. are things working now?

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 8:10 PM

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I deleted the devices, uninstalled ZHA, restarted HA. Reinstalled ZHA and doing a discovery I got one of my devices found. But no entities. This is a good sign, as previous zhaquirks update got this working

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however my blinds are not being discovered atm :/

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 8:11 PM

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cedar coyote dumb question but is there any guidance on what kind of usb power supply rating ...

Any should do, they don't draw much power

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 8:14 PM

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in the zhaquirk update process, which actual files should I be replacing?

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in the guide it says - cp -a /config/temp/NEW_QUIRK ./

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I assumed NEW_QUIRK referenced JUST the folder I needed the quirk for which in my case is the Tuya folder - that right?

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 8:19 PM

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What are you trying to do?

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 8:19 PM

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I have a light switch which doesnt show any entities

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I found I needed to update the quirks, which previously got it working, but only 1 of the 2 gangs on the switch

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 8:20 PM

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Are you running the latest release of Home Assistant?

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 8:21 PM

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I then saw another update had occured, so went through same process, but this time it killed both of my zigbee devices

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yes

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 8:21 PM

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What is the zigbee device signature for your broken device?

obsidian sandalBOT Apr 29, 2021, 8:22 PM

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@mild lynx posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/47mGyZ3bWk/

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 8:22 PM

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There is no quirk for it so updating quirks won't help

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 8:22 PM

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TS0601 ?

molten linden Apr 29, 2021, 8:24 PM

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it's the manufacturer code not matching _TZE200_g1ib5ldv

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 8:25 PM

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oh, I am guessing this may be an OEM manufacturer code, on the same model TS0601 then? If that is the case is there a way to get them to match to the Tuya folder for the quirk or have I missed something?

molten linden Apr 29, 2021, 8:26 PM

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it's tuya where there are every one gets there own code or 2 or 3

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looks like the cluster match, so you'd need it added in here: https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/blob/833c1b913105c87fe93b8dfd20902d27ec4004f8/zhaquirks/tuya/ts0601.py#L176

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it still might be inverted or need some other manipulations, I have a version of these an have sort of given up for a bit while the dust settled around the quirk

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Ah, I see - in the Models_Info section?

molten linden Apr 29, 2021, 8:28 PM

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yes just as the others are listed.

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🤣 🤦‍♂️ yet another model was just reported in the issue tracking these in the quriks repo

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 8:32 PM

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any update on getting both of the lights working on this switch - 1 switch with 2 light circuits?

molten linden Apr 29, 2021, 8:33 PM

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opps I linked you to the blinds section of the TS0601, you'll want to to be up toward the top in the switch area I think.

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 8:36 PM

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What device is this?

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 8:36 PM

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yes, I found the correct section

molten linden Apr 29, 2021, 8:36 PM

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tuya is a royal pita

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 8:37 PM

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yes, I am regretting getting this device

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002061498115.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.60ee4c4dAj6n2V

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I also got one of these, but this worked first time - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001698400295.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.60ee4c4dAj6n2V

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 8:38 PM

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It's probably the one with the quirk already written

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 8:39 PM

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yes, it is - ("_TZE200_zah67ekd", "TS0601"),

molten linden Apr 29, 2021, 8:41 PM

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I have a moes one too and its _TZE200_rddyvrci 🤷‍♂️ like I said tuya 😠

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 8:43 PM

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it was working really nicely tbh and thanks to your help. I have that back working now

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light switch however, still not

molten linden Apr 29, 2021, 8:44 PM

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cool. my blinds aren't compatible as is, so need to do some surgery that I've been putting off.

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 8:44 PM

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Unfortunately, adding support for Tuya devices isn't as simple as fixing small glitches with most other devices. They have a proprietary protocol on top of Zigbee.

molten linden Apr 29, 2021, 8:45 PM

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like you mean they just stuck a zigbee controller there existing products swapping out the esp?

mild lynx Apr 29, 2021, 8:45 PM

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I can discover the wall light, but there are no entities :/

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Does clicking buttons generate any commands in your ZHA log?

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You'll likely need to enable debug logging to see them

gentle idol Apr 29, 2021, 8:48 PM

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I'm struggling to start zigbee2mqtt with my CC2652R stick. The device is flashed and referred to in the config by serial-id.
https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pC5ntRkTQM/

Any suggestions on what could be wrong?

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I flashed it using this guide: https://electrolama.com/radio-docs/flash-cc-bsl/

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 8:48 PM

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Are there any other logs?

gentle idol Apr 29, 2021, 8:49 PM

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That is all the logs from zigbee2mqtt

sour shadow Apr 29, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Those are from the container, not Z2M itself. Check the logs/ folder for Z2M

gentle idol Apr 29, 2021, 9:05 PM

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checking

gentle idol Apr 29, 2021, 9:30 PM

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Ok, i'm actually able to access the frontend now. However I'm not able to pair my IKEA Trådfri Adapter. As soon as i push/release the reset button, i get a red box telling me that it left(!) the network.

fleet lodge Apr 29, 2021, 9:37 PM

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@austere patio you mentioned a SI Lockup Bug at one point

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Do you have a link for this?

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I had three of my IKEA Tradfris fall off the network inexplicably.

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Another thing I just ran into (which is going to set me back another 6 hours to the client site) is restarting the Z2M instance with a dated database.db, coordinator_backup and the rest of the app/data/ file for Z2M

Although all the connections are there and present, devices and routers lose touch with the coordinator if the coordinator does not have the most up to data /app/dat

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I wonder if it’s the mesh architecture that has changed via self-healing and the dated coordinator records don’t have this information since I’ve been running it on a stale database.db + coordinator_backup

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 9:58 PM

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fleet lodge Do you have a link for this?

https://community.openhab.org/t/zigbee-ikea-and-other-efr32mg1p-based-products-occasionally-crashing/109296/6

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If it's the same bug, you should be able to "fix" them by just power cycling them (turn them off for about 5 seconds)

fleet lodge Apr 29, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Can I avoid this bug entirely via OTA update?

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 10:00 PM

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fleet lodge I wonder if it’s the mesh architecture that has changed via self-healing and the...

I don't believe Z2M applies the coordinator backup unless the network settings on the stick differ from what it expects, which will not be the case if you just go back in time a little

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Sure, if IKEA releases firmwares based on the newer SiLabs SDK

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They haven't so far

fleet lodge Apr 29, 2021, 10:03 PM

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austere patio I don't believe Z2M applies the coordinator backup unless the network settings o...

I was going 1 month back... fucked up by pushing stale backups from GitLab to avoid having a mounted volume on my gateway (I don’t want I/O on my gateway)

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Okay. So now I’m unsure if it’s that SI lockup bug or me just fucking up my backups.

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 10:04 PM

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The lockup bug would bring down every device joined through the bulbs

fleet lodge Apr 29, 2021, 10:04 PM

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I also have many downed devices

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 10:05 PM

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So if you have a dense mesh and a few offline bulbs, it's probably not it

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But if you have sensors offline that were previously joined through those bulbs, it's probably the bug

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Since they won't find a new parent as long as their current parent is "online", though locked up and not routing messages

fleet lodge Apr 29, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Well this is totally fucked

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It took them about 2 months to crap out and die

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Was there a recent power outage or some other event that caused devices to re-join the network?

fleet lodge Apr 29, 2021, 10:08 PM

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I’m sure there could have been

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But they would rejoin when power was restored?

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 10:10 PM

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The bug is apparently triggered in part by a lot of devices joining the network

fleet lodge Apr 29, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Ehhhh that wouldn’t be the case for me. I have all Aqara battery powered devices that report intermittently.

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I’m starting to think it’s my stale /app/data/ configs that I’m loading.

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 10:14 PM

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The only data I think that would be cached are the short NWK addresses, which on occasion can change if a device re-joins the network with the coordinator offline

fleet lodge Apr 29, 2021, 10:15 PM

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I need to learn more about what exactly coordinator_backup and database.do

I was treating them as “as long as they have the device paired with them at one time, they’re good”. I only pushed new configs when I added new devices... and I haven’t added new devices so I thought the month old configs were fine.

austere patio Apr 29, 2021, 10:15 PM

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But that would only "break" certain devices. Z2M should be logging if it receives a packet from an unknown (to it) device

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The coordinator backup stores low-level network information specific to the coordinator hardware in a non-human-readable format

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It lets you "copy" one coordinator to another

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That data isn't used by Z2M until it sees that the coordinator does not have the same settings as what are in its configuration file

fleet lodge Apr 29, 2021, 10:26 PM

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I went from this: https://ibb.co/M6hgvPg
To this: https://ibb.co/LZVBJn5

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So many device fell off. I am unable to ping 5 of the routers for LQI now.

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They still show as siblings, but all of those devices have fallen off -- https://ibb.co/d2JFyqZ

dim shard Apr 30, 2021, 9:03 AM

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Okay. I finally made the decision to switch from Conbee/ZHA to CC2531/Z2M. I kept getting devices that don't respond anymore and delays that are beyond normal. So I'm going a different path, hoping it'll improve 😂

violet dagger Apr 30, 2021, 9:04 AM

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now go back and rethink that decision again

dim shard Apr 30, 2021, 9:04 AM

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Uh oh

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I'm almost afraid to ask, but why?

obsidian sandalBOT Apr 30, 2021, 9:21 AM

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The CC2531 and CC2530 sticks are cheap for a reason. They're fine for testing, but do yourself a favour and buy something better.

sour shadow Apr 30, 2021, 9:21 AM

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You chose the shittiest stick on the planet

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For Z2M use a CC2652 stick (see the pinned messages)

dim shard Apr 30, 2021, 9:24 AM

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Well, shit.

sour shadow Apr 30, 2021, 9:27 AM

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On the bright side, they make ok routers

dim shard Apr 30, 2021, 9:33 AM

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On the router side I should be fine, as half of my Zigbee devices are bulbs, dimmer switches or LED controllers. I've been so frustrated with all these devices not responding that I didn't really look past the overflow of CC2531 posts and just ordered one so I can just get away from this hellhole that the Raspbee/Conbee put me in.

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The worst part is that the devices don't even fall of the network. They just stop responding. Randomly too. Not that it's a specific brand or bulb that stops responding.
I have bulbs from iCasa. GU10 bulbs from Owyean. LED controllers from Lonsonho and Gledopto. Dimmers switches from Lonsonho. Wall switches from Aqara.

And by random, shit just stops responding. Whether the lights tells me to go f*** myself or the switches be like, "well, press me 5 times and I might do what you want me to".

mighty river Apr 30, 2021, 11:43 AM

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Maybe I'm completely off topic but i'm trying to make my irrigation system smart. Have a couple solutions and 1 of these solutions(cheap and simple) is buying the WOOX R7060. I have a Philips Hue bridge but can't find if they are compatible. Asked the same question in the forum but no reply yet. Does anybody know if its possible?

austere patio Apr 30, 2021, 12:33 PM

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dim shard The worst part is that the devices don't even fall of the network. They just sto...

The good news is that when the CC2531 fails, Z2M should have auto-migration to the CC2652 stick without having you re-join devices

last thicket Apr 30, 2021, 2:33 PM

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heady forum My ikea remotes are consuming batteries like crazy running ZHA. Latest one last...

I also have this problem. Convinced something changed in the ZHA code that negatively affects ikea devices because there’s reports they are still working fine on DeconZ and z2mqtt. There was a pull request fix in HA 2021.4 but it does not appear to fix the issue. My devices drain within 48 hours of inserting a fresh battery

heady forum Apr 30, 2021, 2:35 PM

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last thicket I also have this problem. Convinced something changed in the ZHA code that negat...

Jep, same issue here.. Thinking about switching to z2mqtt this weekend, my wife is not happy with switches that stop working after a few days :)

jolly narwhal Apr 30, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Definitely no issues of that here with z2m @last thicket

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Long live zigbee2mqtt

amber gull Apr 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Actually, same thing affects z2m with EZSP adapter, I believe 🤦‍♂️

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Believe part of the root cause is at the NCP firmware level

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Does anyone remember some buttons/switches that were IP44 rated? Maybe IKEA?

last thicket Apr 30, 2021, 3:00 PM

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I didn’t have problems for 6 months when I first got the ikea switches- so not sure how it could be the adapter. (I am running EZSP- Huzbz-1)

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You can also update the firmware https://github.com/walthowd/husbzb-firmware I see EZSP is experimental in z2m - anyone have experience with that combo

junior meteor Apr 30, 2021, 3:04 PM

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I have ZHA with C2652 and the Ikea switches aren't misbehaving on my side. So it sounds like an adapter issue

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I don't think there are IKEA switches that are IP44 rated. I know the motion sensor is

amber gull Apr 30, 2021, 3:05 PM

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This guy is, just found it -- had to dig into the more details section to find the IP44 - https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/tradfri-wireless-dimmer-white-10408598/

junior meteor Apr 30, 2021, 3:06 PM

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Oh, TIL! Interesting

amber gull Apr 30, 2021, 3:06 PM

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I haven't been following the issue @last thicket as there has been a lot of noise, but I'd try upgrading to 6.7.8 and then you have to kick the devices out of 'short poll` mode

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either rejoin, or reconfigure them via the ZHA device page (while pressing a button the remote to wake it)

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there may be more to it, but it should be documented in the current open issues

last thicket Apr 30, 2021, 3:08 PM

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Thanks, I’ll give it a try. Otherwise might just bit the bullet and upgrade my coordinator

amber gull Apr 30, 2021, 3:08 PM

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You can seamlessly migrate to a CC2652 coordinator

junior meteor Apr 30, 2021, 3:08 PM

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I can recommend the zzh! Stick 👍️

amber gull Apr 30, 2021, 3:09 PM

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I did the same from HUSBZB-1 to ELU013 to CC1352 to ZZH to Tube's Gateway -- just for funsies -- all on the same network, never rejoining

last thicket Apr 30, 2021, 3:10 PM

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Nice, was thinking of getting Tube’s. Just didn’t have a reason because everything else works great

ivory hound Apr 30, 2021, 3:10 PM

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for ppl with drain battery issue on ZHA, unpair the device

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and pair again

last thicket Apr 30, 2021, 3:13 PM

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Yeah I unpaired every battery change. Now I’m paranoid I just got a bad batch of batteries 😂. Don’t think so because battery level still goes from 100 to 0

ivory hound Apr 30, 2021, 3:18 PM

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@gentle flint said this is fixed in latest beta if you leave and rejoin the device. #zigbee-archived message

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you can try it

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not much more i can say

austere patio Apr 30, 2021, 3:26 PM

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Does anybody with one of the Tuya gateways know if they're cross-compatible across "brands"? Or are the hubs hard-coded to only work with Tuya devices by that one "brand"?

mellow geode Apr 30, 2021, 3:57 PM

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I don't have one (and I'm not 100 % sure) but I think they work across brands

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For one, some gateways (like the LIDL gateway) have their own app but you can also use the Tuya SmartLife app

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and pairing different devices should also work then (might even work in the normal LIDL SmartHome app, as it's essentially just a re-skin)

austere patio Apr 30, 2021, 4:31 PM

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Tuya must have a database of their garbage manufacturer and model names that maps to some sort of Tuya capabilities

proud grove Apr 30, 2021, 4:42 PM

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i'm also trying to find the ZHA-quirks folder under site-packages and its not there - unlike the documentation said.. really at a loss..

mighty river Apr 30, 2021, 4:47 PM

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Hi all, i am new to zigbee, today i received my usb stick (CC2531), i want to user the ikea tradfri lamps and buttons, do i still need the ikea hub or is the CC2531 the replacement hub and do i connect devices to it instead?

austere patio Apr 30, 2021, 4:52 PM

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proud grove i'm also trying to find the ZHA-quirks folder under site-packages and its not th...

It's there. Are you in the HA docker container?

austere patio Apr 30, 2021, 4:56 PM

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mighty river Hi all, i am new to zigbee, today i received my usb stick (CC2531), i want to us...

Nope, the CC2531 is the new "hub"

proud grove Apr 30, 2021, 5:01 PM

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austere patio It's there. Are you in the HA docker container?

yah i used portainer like the documentation said.. but no such folder path under the HA container.. i also look for the path elsewhere and the closest i found was under hassio_supervisor container.. but no ZHA-quirks... dont know what i am MISSING

austere patio Apr 30, 2021, 5:02 PM

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It's definitely in there, since the HA container has all the Python packages. What's the name of the container's image?

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There are like 10 containers to choose from so you could be in the wrong one

proud grove Apr 30, 2021, 5:05 PM

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austere patio It's definitely in there, since the HA container has all the Python packages. Wh...

homeassistant/raspberrypi4-64-homeassistant:2021.4.6

austere patio Apr 30, 2021, 5:05 PM

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That looks right

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And /usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zhaquirks/ doesn't exist?

proud grove Apr 30, 2021, 5:06 PM

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austere patio That looks right

yah but there's no /usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zhaquirks/

austere patio Apr 30, 2021, 5:07 PM

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Does /usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/ exist?

proud grove Apr 30, 2021, 5:08 PM

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i open the console and search ard.. the /usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages i found it at hassio_supervisor container..

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but there's no ZHA-quirks folder

austere patio Apr 30, 2021, 5:11 PM

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Does a /config/ folder exist in the container?

proud grove Apr 30, 2021, 5:16 PM

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in the console i cant see it but on the samba share its there

austere patio Apr 30, 2021, 5:16 PM

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I think you're still in the wrong container. The main Home Assistant container has a /config/ folder

proud grove Apr 30, 2021, 5:21 PM

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yah i see it the /config folder

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theres no usr though..