#zigbee-archived | Home Assistant | Page 128

frail widget Apr 16, 2021, 1:28 PM

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start what?😐

sour shadow Apr 16, 2021, 1:28 PM

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Well, if they don't show in Z2M there's no point in looking at why they don't show in HA

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So... start looking in Z2M

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Up the log level, do some troubleshooting

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/configuration.html
Set the level to info, see what's going on - Z2M's log at that level is very chatty

golden vessel Apr 16, 2021, 1:29 PM

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maybe you are trying to pair a device that is too far away from the coordinator?

frail widget Apr 16, 2021, 1:39 PM

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I got it wokring. First time you pair you can find it in UI but it will be unsported. you need to deletet from UI and pair it again and should work.

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Thank you guys! ... I was very close to switch to ZAH 😅

sour shadow Apr 16, 2021, 1:42 PM

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Which Zigbee integration? Where are you getting that log?

lean juniper Apr 16, 2021, 1:42 PM

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Hey, I could really use some help.
I'm getting this error with a Raspbee on a Pi 3B+ with the latest verwsion of hass.

device state timeout ignored in state 2

I already updated the Raspbee's firmware and reinstalled hass.io twice.

lean juniper Apr 16, 2021, 1:42 PM

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sour shadow Which Zigbee integration? Where are you getting that log?

I'm getting this error on deCONZ log

obsidian sandalBOT Apr 16, 2021, 1:42 PM

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deCONZ by dresden elektronik is a software that communicates with ConBee/RaspBee Zigbee gateways and exposes Zigbee devices that are connected to the gateway. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

sour shadow Apr 16, 2021, 1:42 PM

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They may know more on their Discord

lean juniper Apr 16, 2021, 1:43 PM

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There's a Discord server just for Dresden Elekroniks?

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Because it is working just fine with their distribution for the pi.

ashen coral Apr 16, 2021, 1:43 PM

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Even better. One for just one of their products https://discord.com/channels/494922323518947329/692100965444354098

lean juniper Apr 16, 2021, 1:43 PM

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It's probably a hass issue

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Thank you ! I'll check it out

ashen coral Apr 16, 2021, 1:44 PM

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That's not how you make an invite... wait

lean juniper Apr 16, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Haha yea it's blocked

ashen coral Apr 16, 2021, 1:44 PM

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https://discord.gg/98pAdYRV

sour shadow Apr 16, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Yeah, I linked that already 🤣

ashen coral Apr 16, 2021, 1:44 PM

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So you did 🤦

sour shadow Apr 16, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Easy to miss though

dire willow Apr 16, 2021, 1:56 PM

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So the remote I bought may be getting returned. Seems like a lot of people have had issues with it not being able to reset or to pair
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KBF9GMS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Anyone have any reqs for something similar...that works? It's main purpose is going to be for my kid to be able to change the color of a multi color bulb in his room

lean juniper Apr 16, 2021, 2:09 PM

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ashen coral https://discord.gg/98pAdYRV

Thank you! Posted there.

lean juniper Apr 16, 2021, 2:50 PM

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ashen coral https://discord.gg/98pAdYRV

Well, @frail oracle sent me back here (https://discordapp.com/channels/494922323518947329/543511893382529064/832628871597785128) saying that they don't handle the HASS addon

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This is in fact an issue with HASS

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@frail oracle

sour shadow Apr 16, 2021, 2:55 PM

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You don't have to keep tagging Mimiix 😉

frail oracle Apr 16, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Yep he did

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was on my behalf.

sour shadow Apr 16, 2021, 2:57 PM

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IMO the answer is set fire to the add-on and deny it was involved but that may be a touch harsh

frail oracle Apr 16, 2021, 2:57 PM

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@ashen coral @sour shadow the addon doesn't seem to pickup his Raspbee. In a native OS/install it works.

sour shadow Apr 16, 2021, 2:57 PM

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Weird, so some Supervisor related problem then

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Oh how fun

frail oracle Apr 16, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Or a configuration thing

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But i have no clue what has changed to the addon in the last few weeks

sour shadow Apr 16, 2021, 2:58 PM

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I only know that deCONZ is a thing I don't know. And I know more about it than about the Supervisor 😂

jolly narwhal Apr 16, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Add-ons 🤢

lean juniper Apr 16, 2021, 7:03 PM

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frail oracle But i have no clue what has changed to the addon in the last few weeks

Actually I have had this issue for quite some time. I just didn’t have the time to get to the bottom of this.

frail oracle Apr 16, 2021, 8:27 PM

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I have no clue

glad python Apr 16, 2021, 9:00 PM

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I'm looking to add zigbee (and also z-wave & bluetooth) to my blue when it comes in, so I'm starting on the zha docs I'm seeing a list of known working ones on /integrations/zha/, but is there any page that compares them and makes any specific recommendations? I feel like I'm in over my head 😅

dry fossil Apr 16, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Have you checked the topic and pins here? There are several sites with lists of devices that are known to work.

glad python Apr 16, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Yeah, I've seen those too, and the pinned message I saw from tinkerer on 1/19 linked what seems to be more higher level developer stuff rather than comparing and making specific recommendations at a user level that's what I mean by I feel like I'm in over my head.

sour shadow Apr 16, 2021, 9:08 PM

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Sticks, or devices?

glad python Apr 16, 2021, 9:08 PM

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Stick

sour shadow Apr 16, 2021, 9:09 PM

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For ZHA you want EZSP (see https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman/issues/319#issuecomment-789757269) or CC2652 based sticks

glad python Apr 16, 2021, 9:10 PM

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okay, thanks!

lean juniper Apr 16, 2021, 10:08 PM

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frail oracle I have no clue

If you don’t know that I’m completely hopeless 😅

How can we escalate it further?

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 10:13 PM

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I have enabled ZHA debug logging to find out what channel ZHA is using. Im unable to see any messages which contain the channel information. any advise on what to look for ?

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:23 PM

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mellow pike I have enabled ZHA debug logging to find out what channel ZHA is using. Im unabl...

Which HA install are you using? (HAOS, Supervised, Container, or Core)?

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 10:23 PM

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forest cobalt Which HA install are you using? (HAOS, Supervised, Container, or Core)?

Container

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Is you coordinator directly attached via USB?

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 10:24 PM

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forest cobalt Is you coordinator directly attached via USB?

Yes it is

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:25 PM

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Ok. Let me test something real quick.

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:29 PM

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mellow pike Yes it is

You'll want to stop HA from the front-end (Configuration>Server Controls > Stop). Then, run docker exec -it home-assistant bash (note: Your container name may be different; Check with docker ps -a to get the container name or id). Then, once you see bash-5.0#: enter in bellows -d [device] info. [device] will be whatever your USB device is (usually /dev/ttyUSB0 or something like that).

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That will output all the info about your mesh, including the channel number being used.

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Finally, restart your container (to bring HA back up nicely).

obsidian sandalBOT Apr 16, 2021, 10:32 PM

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@mellow pike posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f8CSwDp63P/

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 10:33 PM

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I have a feeling Stop is not happening correctly

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Nope. It didn't find your device. In that same bash session, can you run ls -l /dev/serial/by-id and see what it outputs?

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 10:34 PM

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I tried this
bash-5.0# bellows -d /dev/ttyUSB1 info
[00:0d:6f:00:11:fe:ad:64]
[0x0000]
[<EmberNetworkStatus.JOINED_NETWORK: 2>]
[<EmberStatus.SUCCESS: 0>, <EmberNodeType.COORDINATOR: 1>, EmberNetworkParameters(extendedPanId=b1:e2:92:a5:e2:21:1a:7b, panId=0x3da8, radioTxPower=8, radioChannel=15, joinMethod=<EmberJoinMethod.USE_MAC_ASSOCIATION: 0>, nwkManagerId=0x0000, nwkUpdateId=0, channels=<Channels.ALL_CHANNELS: 134215680>)]
[<EmberStatus.SUCCESS: 0>, EmberCurrentSecurityState(bitmask=<EmberCurrentSecurityBitmask.64|32|HAVE_TRUST_CENTER_LINK_KEY|GLOBAL_LINK_KEY: 116>, trustCenterLongAddress=00:0d:6f:00:11:fe:ad:64)]
Manufacturer: HubZ ZigBee
Board name: HUSBZB-1
EmberZNet version: 5.4.1.0 build 962
bash-5.0#

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:35 PM

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Ah! There ya go. So, the channel is 15 (radioChannel=15).

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 10:36 PM

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/dev/serial/by-id: No such file or directory

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To change chsnnel to 11 : bellows -d /dev/ttyUSB1 form -D zigbee.db -c 11

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:38 PM

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Yeah, that may not be implemented in the container. But, should you need it again, you can also run ls -l /dev/ttyUSB0 or ls -l /dev/ttyUSB1. It's really just to test where your USB adapter is mapped.

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:38 PM

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mellow pike To change chsnnel to 11 : bellows -d /dev/ttyUSB1 form -D zigbee.db -c 11

Yeah. Just be warned that when you do that, you'll need to re-pair all your devices. Some might transfer over to the new channel, but chances are they won't.

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 10:38 PM

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I just have a few

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so i want to change

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Ah, you'll be fine then.

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 10:39 PM

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but that command just runs forever

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never ends

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:41 PM

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It can take awhile. IIRC, you can speed it up by deleting zigbee.db (the actual file) if you aren't worried about keeping devices around. It will recreate the database when the channel change occurs. So, delete the db, then run the form command.

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Or you can just rename the zigbee.db file as well.

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 10:43 PM

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I tried that as well.. renamed it to zigbee2.db.. but the bellows command -D is a mandatory parameter

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so I created ZHA integration again and added nothing.. hoping the slimmer zigbee.db will make it happen faster

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Yeah, you have to pass in a name, but as long as the name you pass in doesn't exist on the filesystem, it will create it.

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 10:44 PM

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oh.. okay. let me try that

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 10:48 PM

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forest cobalt Yeah, you have to pass in a name, but as long as the name you pass in doesn't ex...

bash-5.0# bellows -d /dev/ttyUSB1 form -D zigbee3.db -c 11
Usage: bellows form [OPTIONS]
Try 'bellows form --help' for help.

Error: Invalid value for '-D' / '--database': File 'zigbee3.db' does not exist.

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:50 PM

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1 sec. That should have worked.

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 10:51 PM

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I can confirm the usb1 is zigbee from the ui - https://imgur.com/a/GkOd7SN

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:53 PM

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No, that's correct. I derp'd. You need to full path to your database. Try bellows -d /dev/ttyUSB1 form -D /config/zigbee3.db -c 11

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 10:57 PM

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forest cobalt No, that's correct. I derp'd. You need to full path to your database. Try `bello...

https://imgur.com/a/N96a0Uu

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we are back to waiting.. ill give it a while and see what happens

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I also tried
zha:
zigpy_config:
network:
channel: 11 # What channel the radio should try to use.
channels: [11, 15, 20, 25] # Channel mask

forest cobalt Apr 16, 2021, 10:58 PM

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That's weird. I don't have an adapter directly connected, so I can't fully test it. But it used to work that way before.

mellow pike Apr 16, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Thanks a lot for the help.

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Ill try to figure something out

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 12:30 AM

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mellow pike Ill try to figure something out

Any specific reason you want to change channels?

mellow pike Apr 17, 2021, 12:48 AM

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austere patio Any specific reason you want to change channels?

Yes , interference with WiFi. And I can't change my wifi channel.

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 1:10 AM

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Have you done an energy scan to make sure that it's actually interference?

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Or received MAC channel access failure errors?

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To avoid having to re-pair your devices you can do a backup and change the channel in the resulting JSON file: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy/wiki/Coordinator-Backup-and-Migration#instructions-for-ezsp-radios

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But skip the --i-understand-i-can-update-eui64-only-once-and-i-still-want-to-do-it flag when restoring

mellow pike Apr 17, 2021, 2:34 AM

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austere patio Have you done an energy scan to make sure that it's actually interference?

I have not done an energy scan.. looking into it right now , I was going by the article in the zha documentation.
I want to rebuild from scratch.

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@austere patio any links the energy scan ?

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 2:52 AM

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mellow pike <@!652580495892152331> any links the energy scan ?

bellows -d /dev/... scan --energy --duration 500 will scan each channel for 500ms, should take about 10 seconds

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Most negative number is the best (e.g. [15, -34] is worse than [20, -88]). Stick to one of 15, 20, 25 (and maybe 26) to sit between WiFi channels 1,6,11. Otherwise, a WiFi router can decide to switch to on one of those three channels and randomly drown out your Zigbee network.

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If you want to destroy your old network, run bellows -d /dev/... leave, update your ZHA config with the new channel, and delete zigbee.db. The config is only used for forming a new network so it'll work.

mellow pike Apr 17, 2021, 2:59 AM

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austere patio `bellows -d /dev/... scan --energy --duration 500` will scan each channel for 50...

https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rBzNN3fttK/

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Currently my wifi is sitting in channel 6

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and zigbee 15

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my neighbour in wifi channel 11

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so i wanted to go to zigbee 11

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 3:01 AM

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If any WiFI router switches to channel 1 your network will not be happy

mellow pike Apr 17, 2021, 3:01 AM

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that is true

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 3:01 AM

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25 is away from WiFi channels 1/6/11 and relatively quiet

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Though this has little impact on network performance unless you have a sensor sitting right next to a WiFi router that's drowning it out because you're transmitting files 24/7

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Is there a specific reason you think that WiFi is interfering with your Zigbee network?

mellow pike Apr 17, 2021, 3:03 AM

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austere patio 25 is away from WiFi channels 1/6/11 and relatively quiet

Gotacha going to set 25 in the zha config

mellow pike Apr 17, 2021, 3:04 AM

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austere patio Is there a specific reason you think that WiFi is interfering with your Zigbee n...

There is zigbee light in the porch which goes available to unavailable certain times of the day

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none of the other ones have this issue

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it is furtherest away too

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 3:04 AM

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Is there no intermediate router sitting between it and the coordinator?

mellow pike Apr 17, 2021, 3:05 AM

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No

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I got one today to strengthen the connection

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but before i configured it i was in the wifi interference rabbit hole

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 3:07 AM

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Yeah, I would definitely install that other router. If the link quality between the coordinator and that porch light is poor, in theory changing the channel would "help" it a tiny bit, but another router would be much better

mellow pike Apr 17, 2021, 3:08 AM

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austere patio Yeah, I would definitely install that other router. If the link quality between ...

Got it.

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https://imgur.com/a/P1LSBTh

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What is the channel mask ?

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 3:08 AM

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You can remove it, it's not used at the moment

mellow pike Apr 17, 2021, 3:09 AM

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ok

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 3:09 AM

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In the future ZHA will pick one of those three channels if you don't specify channel, depending on the results of an energy scan

mellow pike Apr 17, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Thats cool.

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zha:
zigpy_config:
network:
channel: 25

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going with this

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and restarting

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I also deleted the integration in the ui

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Make sure to run the bellows leave first. Otherwise, it'll just re-use the old network.

mellow pike Apr 17, 2021, 3:15 AM

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I restarted HA after bwllows leave and deleting zigbee.db

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https://imgur.com/ZQHPYK8

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it is still picking up the 15 channel

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 3:17 AM

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Hm. Running the leave and then form -c 25 and then info shows radioChannel=25 for me. Maybe try that?

mellow pike Apr 17, 2021, 3:17 AM

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I got it

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i added the integration in the ui and it picked up 25

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Thanks a lot @austere patio

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The energy scan command was pretty sweet.

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 3:21 AM

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Yeah, it's pretty useful

frail oracle Apr 17, 2021, 4:40 AM

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lean juniper If you don’t know that I’m completely hopeless 😅 How can we escalate it furthe...

The ha git I guess

short valve Apr 17, 2021, 8:01 AM

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zzh arrived within a week, got it programmed after fighting with TI's dumb website 😄

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 8:21 AM

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mine would not flash with the TI software

mighty river Apr 17, 2021, 10:33 AM

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Hello!! I have a issue trying to install ZHA at home assistant core. I don't know which usb serial path I should use

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the complete description of the problem (with a extract of the log) is at https://community.home-assistant.io/t/zha-conbee-2-at-synology-without-docker-usb-path/300119

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thanks in advance

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 10:46 AM

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which MQQT client do people run in docker?

jolly narwhal Apr 17, 2021, 10:47 AM

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Client?

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You mean broker?

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 10:58 AM

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I use this: https://hub.docker.com/_/eclipse-mosquitto

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 10:59 AM

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yeah broker

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so just installed eclipse-mosquitto

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and z2m in docker

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but getting this error:

Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-04-17 20:59:27: Failed to start zigbee
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-04-17 20:59:27: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/FAQ.html#help-zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start for possible solutions
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-04-17 20:59:27: Exiting...
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-04-17 20:59:27: Error: Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error: No such file or directory, cannot open /dev/ttyACM0'

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even though I have told it to open /dev/ttyUSB0

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 11:01 AM

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Well that's nothing to do with your MQTT broker. You just aren't passing the right device in.

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On your Docker host, what's the output of ls -la /dev/serial/by-id?

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 11:03 AM

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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 Apr 17 20:59 .
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 80 Apr 17 20:59 ..
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Apr 17 20:59 usb-1a86_USB_Serial-if00-port0 -> ../../ttyUSB0

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 11:04 AM

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Then you want to bind /dev/serial/by-id/usb-1a86_USB_Serial-if00-port0, not the alias. The alias can change (i.e. after a restart of the host).

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What do your device bindings look like for your container?

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 11:05 AM

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😄 how do I check that?

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I am an absolute novice with linux

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Depends how you set up your container 🤷‍♂️

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How did you run it? Docker? Docker Compose? Portainer(🤢)?

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Docker

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 11:06 AM

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Then you should have passed in a ton of arguments when you started the container. What were they?

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Also... do yourself a favour and learn Docker Compose so you can just have one text file to maintain for all your containers.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 11:06 AM

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I had been reading docker compose earlier this evening

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that allows you to have one config file yeah?

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 11:07 AM

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One file that can define multiple services (containers), yes.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 11:07 AM

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ok

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   -it \
   -v $(pwd)/data:/app/data \
   --device=/dev/serial/by-id/usb-1a86_USB_Serial-if00-port0 \
   -e TZ=Australia/Sydney \
   -v /run/udev:/run/udev:ro \
   --privileged=true \
   koenkk/zigbee2mqtt```

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is how I was planning to run z2m

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which gives me

Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-04-17 21:08:20: Failed to start zigbee
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-04-17 21:08:20: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/FAQ.html#help-zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start for possible solutions
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-04-17 21:08:20: Exiting...
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-04-17 21:08:20: Error: Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error: No such file or directory, cannot open /dev/ttyACM0'
    at Znp.<anonymous> (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/dist/adapter/z-stack/znp/znp.js:136:32)
    at Generator.next (<anonymous>)
    at /app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/dist/adapter/z-stack/znp/znp.js:27:71
    at new Promise (<anonymous>)
    at __awaiter (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/dist/adapter/z-stack/znp/znp.js:23:12)
    at SerialPort.<anonymous> (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/dist/adapter/z-stack/znp/znp.js:134:49)
    at SerialPort._error (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/node_modules/@serialport/stream/lib/index.js:198:14)
    at /app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/node_modules/@serialport/stream/lib/index.js:242:12

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 11:08 AM

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Ok... so you're passing in the ID of the device... use that in your Z2M config, not the default value of /dev/ttyACM0

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 11:09 AM

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ok. now here is the kicker, how do I get into the z2m config?

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I think that is the point I got up to earlier before I tried starting over 😄

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 11:10 AM

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Well you're already mapping a volume for the config folder, right? 😉 Edit the files in that folder.

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-v $(pwd)/data:/app/data

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 11:10 AM

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hahaha

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would that be cd /app/data ?

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to get to that directory?

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 11:11 AM

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The bit on the left is on your host, the bit on the right is the mapped location within the container.

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I have no idea what the left hand side is, since it's relative to the current working directory... only you know where you were when you ran that command.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 11:13 AM

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i have a feeling when I run ls -l that it isn't showing me everything

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 11:14 AM

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ls -la to show hidden files too... but a directory without a dot at the beginning isn't hidden anyway.

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I'd suggest taking a step back. Read up on Docker Compose, get yourself a system that works for you. I have all my containers running out of /home/mono/docker, a docker-compose.yaml in that folder, and container-specific folders within that folder (i.e. /home/mono/docker/homeassistant).

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 11:15 AM

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ah yes, that makes sense. that is what i was reading up on earlier

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 11:16 AM

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Then I can maintain all this (and more... shortened to just HA stuff so you can see someone's setup) in one file: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/6xsRRV9CNj/

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 11:17 AM

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so with that, you create the docker-compose.yaml and it is more or less a directory with settings of all your containers?

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 11:19 AM

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Pretty much. The first time you want to fire up the containers, and whenever you've changed a definition, you'll just cd into that folder and run docker-compose up -d to have Docker Compose action your changes. No horrible command lines with 50 arguments to type out perfectly each time.

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And let's be honest, you were just going to store those Docker commands somewhere and copy/paste each time, right? Compose means you have an easy-to-read file that also serves as the method of firing up the services.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:16 PM

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alright, have done some reading, youtubing, and have finally set up compose correctly @dry fossil , but now I am getting this when I try to get z2m running....

found character '\t' that cannot start any token
  in "./docker-compose.yaml", line 22, column 1

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the line it refers to is container_name: zigbee2mqtt

jolly narwhal Apr 17, 2021, 12:17 PM

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You have formatting issues for sure

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:17 PM

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actually i think i just spotted it

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yeah, its one tab too far in smh

jolly narwhal Apr 17, 2021, 12:18 PM

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https://github.com/atxbyea/docker-compose/blob/master/home-automation.yaml

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Y'aml doesn't use tabs so I hope not

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 12:19 PM

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Tabs 🤢

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Spaces everywhere. Only monsters use tabs in code.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:19 PM

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sorry, spaces! haha

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 12:20 PM

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Well you have a tab, since that's what \t is.

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If you're using a real editor like VS Code, you can set it to insert a number of spaces whenever you tab. I use 4, I know some people prefer 2.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:20 PM

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yeah, got it.

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Notepad ++ - is it trash?

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 12:21 PM

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It's... ok

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VS Code is fast. No reason not to use it.

jolly narwhal Apr 17, 2021, 12:21 PM

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If set up correctly

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Even I use vscode

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And I'm a hardware nørd

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:22 PM

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i will dl shortly 🙂

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I think it has worked

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 12:22 PM

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Finally this year — right before the Labor Day weekend — Google’s developer advocate decided to weigh in. “We are going to parse a billion files among 14 programming languages to decide which one is on top.” They crunched files from the top 400,000 GitHub repositories, looking at only files of code written in the top languages — and their chart showed that spaces were by far the most popular method of indenting, in every language. Except Go and C.
Spaces ftw.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:22 PM

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although mosquitto has some strange name of b8952f72e23a_mosquitto

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 12:23 PM

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The container? You didn't give it a name.

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But don't worry about what Docker refers to it as.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:23 PM

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i have slight OCD...

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anyway... haha

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 12:23 PM

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It's just a unique ID. If you spun up two of the same container, they'd need different ID's.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:24 PM

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ah, i must have done that

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even tho mosquitto isnt there

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 12:24 PM

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Not where? Your Compose file? You ran that stupid Docker command earlier with all the args 😉

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Destroy that container, use Compose.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:25 PM

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i deleted the old containers

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anyway, it doesn't matter

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what matters is, i need to get into the front end now 🙂

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 12:29 PM

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I don't use the UI, I'll let someone else jump in.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:29 PM

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how do you add devices then?

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 12:29 PM

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MQTT 🎉

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Zigbee2MQTT does everything via MQTT. The UI is just there for people that like UI's instead of command line stuff.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:30 PM

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do the new devices pop up in the config.yaml for mqtt?

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 12:32 PM

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Nope. configuration.yaml for purely for config. You'll see other stuff appear in devices.yaml and groups.yaml as appropriate.

obsidian sandalBOT Apr 17, 2021, 12:35 PM

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@thick plover posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MgcmWKdqxg/

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:35 PM

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got that in the z2m.yaml

compact plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:36 PM

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I've installed ZAH which seems to work fine with my newly flashed llama ZZH stick. Trying to pair an Aqara motion sensor to test and it starts fine but then seems to stop. It says starting interview and shows the device (which flashes blue) but then nothing is saved afterwards

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 12:38 PM

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thick plover got that in the z2m.yaml

That stuff is normal. It's the default config... it's good that you're seeing it, means you bound the volumes correctly 🎉

compact plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:40 PM

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I got it to "Starting Interview
IEEE: 00:15:8d:00:03:ce:5c:a7
NWK: 0x91b3" - but what should I do after that to make the device usable in HA?

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I kept pressing and it worked!

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cool

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:48 PM

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would I have to open up the port on whatever machine I am trying to access the UI on?

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and @dry fossil - if I have made changes to config etc, should I be telling docker-compose to rerun or something?

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 12:54 PM

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No need to tag me. If I'm not here to read your messages, I'm not coming back to the computer for you 😉

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Yes, you'll usually want to restart a container if you change the config, unless the application running in that container has another mechanism to pick up changes.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:55 PM

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ok and that is via docker-compose up?

dry fossil Apr 17, 2021, 12:57 PM

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That'll only do something if the Compose definition has changed. docker-compose restart <containername> to force a restart.

thick plover Apr 17, 2021, 12:57 PM

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legend

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grrr, no luck with getting the UI going

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 3:40 PM

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mighty river the complete description of the problem (with a extract of the log) is at https:...

You're getting a Permission denied: ‘/dev/ttyACM0’ error. I'm not familiar with how Synology's OS is set up but have you tried the temporary "fix" of chmod 777 /dev/ttyACM0?

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That should at least tell you if it will "work". Figuring out why the user you're trying to run HA as doesn't have permission is a different problem.

azure tinsel Apr 17, 2021, 4:22 PM

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Does anyone have experience with zigbee curtain motors? And which ones work out of the box with zha? I read there are allot with problems like Aqara and zemismart. Which do not show up properly. Or is this allready fixed

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 5:05 PM

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More tuya...

hollow condor Apr 17, 2021, 6:21 PM

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@azure tinsel I use IKEA Trådfri without issues

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fyrtur

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 7:37 PM

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that moment when you hear ppl they use ikea tradfri without issues and you have 2 bulbs that brings down half of your zigbee network in one day, is laughable 🤣

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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That update is coming any day now

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 7:47 PM

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austere patio That update is coming any day now

what update?

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 7:48 PM

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That stupid OTA update that IKEA will never release that upgrades all of their stuff to the newer EmberZNet that doesn't have the crashing problem

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 7:49 PM

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ah lol really you still wait for ikea update

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i have ikea bulbs for 2 years now i moved on

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 7:50 PM

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I run into it like once every six months so it's not really an issue for me but one can still hope

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 7:50 PM

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let me know when they do it 🙂 but my guess is we both gonna be old or dead by then 🙂

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i dont know how is that work for you but for me ikea crush my z2m network badly every day i had a device not working because of them

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after i've removed them all is super ok

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i think they worked ok in ZHA with Elelabs-ELU013

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but on z2mqtt disaster

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Every single router on my network is IKEA (or LEEDARSON 🤮) and they work fine with a TI coordinator 🤷‍♂️ . Could be that specific network layouts or devices joining/leaving frequently makes it happen sooner.

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 7:56 PM

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no idea for me they are shit

jolly narwhal Apr 17, 2021, 7:57 PM

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You mean my 60+ IKEA bulbs @ivory hound ?

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 7:57 PM

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i am not holding my breath for any updates 🙂

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 7:57 PM

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jolly narwhal You mean my 60+ IKEA bulbs <@503992494103592980> ?

no, your are the best 🙂

jolly narwhal Apr 17, 2021, 7:57 PM

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gasm

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 7:57 PM

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haha

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is a mystery to me how your network holds @jolly narwhal , what do you have as a integration ZHA? what coordinator?

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Howdy. Random question, every now and then Zigbeee devices disappear what is the best way to re-add them? Forget them and them add them new?

jolly narwhal Apr 17, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Cc1352p2 and zigbee2mqtt @ivory hound

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:00 PM

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They don't disappear but rather disconnect.

rugged hinge Apr 17, 2021, 8:00 PM

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I have a MS01 by eWeLink motion sensor that keeps triggering for no reason. Its set up via ZHA. Any suggestions on what I can try?

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:00 PM

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fading ether Howdy. Random question, every now and then Zigbeee devices disappear what is the...

Depends why the devices disappear but if turning it off and on doesn't work, the only thing you can do is permit joins and re-join them. What do the logs show?

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:01 PM

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ah i don't know that coordinator, I have a CC2652R

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:01 PM

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rugged hinge I have a MS01 by eWeLink motion sensor that keeps triggering for no reason. Its ...

battery

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:02 PM

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Where is the best place to view the ZHA log

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:02 PM

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some sensors report motion when battery is done

rugged hinge Apr 17, 2021, 8:02 PM

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@ivory hound It reads 100%. Its new of this week

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Ill try a new battery though

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:02 PM

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ivory hound ah i don't know that coordinator, I have a CC2652R

They're basically the same thing, the CC1352P-2 just has a power amplifier but it's not really necessary

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:03 PM

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fading ether They don't disappear but rather disconnect.

do you have ikea routers in your network ? :))

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ikea trafri bulbs and so

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:03 PM

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Nope. No routers. Well, I have a Tube one, but it is not setup. They are aqara sensors that connect to a HUSBZB-1

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:04 PM

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You definitely want to set up some routers 🙂

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:04 PM

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On the log front, I understand the general logs. Is there a way to view specific entries for ZHA?

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:04 PM

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maybe your network is does not have enough covereage

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my advice @fading ether add some routers

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and

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:04 PM

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I was mucking with my wifi network and I wonder if it caused some interference.

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:04 PM

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make sure no wifi / bluetooth interference

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:04 PM

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I have had the same problem the last time, I was messing with wifi.

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:05 PM

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Unless your WiFi network is running on a channel other than 1/6/11, it shouldn't be a problem

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:05 PM

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Meaning, I rewired my wifi network and so things went down and then came back.

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Good point.

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I can add my router. I have one and just have not enabled it. :-)

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:08 PM

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Depending on the Aqara devices you have, they likely won't notice it. You will have to re-join them through that router specifically to make sure they don't pick the coordinator as a parent again (if it's far away)

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:08 PM

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Channel 11 and151

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For Wifi.

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So that is a problem?

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:08 PM

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5GHz won't be an issue here and WiFi 11 is on the opposite end of the 2.4GHz spectrum from Zigbee 15

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Okay

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If I do that, I need to figure out how to join through the router.

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:10 PM

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After you join the router, instead of clicking on the "add devices" button on the bottom right, click on the router device and there should be a button to permit joins only through it

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:11 PM

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@austere patio what you said about wifi channes and zigbee ones is not quite right

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or maybe i misunderstood

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let me give you guys a thing to help

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with that

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:12 PM

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https://img.community.ui.com/bcfc111b-7847-4aa9-8d66-c4ef85f0762f/questions/4369c492-68b8-412b-9a3e-ee6947bb6edd/0fa39bb1-7225-499f-a6a5-40a6a5f8eed5 (little red lobes are Zigbee)

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:12 PM

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@fading ether read this

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https://support.metageek.com/hc/en-us/articles/203845040-ZigBee-and-WiFi-Coexistence

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i think is the same

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haha

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:13 PM

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Zigbee 15 sits between WiFi 1 and 6. WiFi 11 is far away.

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:13 PM

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Not sure I understand, honestly.

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I get the 1,6,11 thing ,and am trying to determine if wifi 11 is a problem and what to do about it.

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:14 PM

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@fading ether ok so is like this

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wifi zigbee and bluetooth

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:14 PM

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I have two APs and both broadcast on 11

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:14 PM

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they all use ~2,4GHz

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:14 PM

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Right, I get that.

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:15 PM

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now if you have stron wifi on a channel lets say 11

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like you said

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:16 PM

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Everything is on 11 which I would think would be okay because Zigbee could use 1 or 6

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:16 PM

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that means zigbee channel 24 is kinda saturated

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:16 PM

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So is it smart enough to know now to use that channel since the other two are clear?

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:16 PM

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read what i've sent

sour shadow Apr 17, 2021, 8:16 PM

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See <#zigbee-archived message>

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:16 PM

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you will get it

sour shadow Apr 17, 2021, 8:16 PM

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You want to read that link, about Zigbee channels vs WiFi channels

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:17 PM

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i sent same one

sour shadow Apr 17, 2021, 8:17 PM

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partyParrot_2

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:17 PM

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also @fading ether i understand you have 2 ap in your home both on same channel?

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:17 PM

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Yes.

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:17 PM

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dot do that 🙂

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is bad

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:17 PM

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My Unifi system does that automatically.

sour shadow Apr 17, 2021, 8:18 PM

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Then it needs taken to one side and shot

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Deliberately causing interference is dumb

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:18 PM

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yah it does that mesh shit

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they are not ap's

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:18 PM

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Nope, no mesh.

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:18 PM

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they are repeaters in this case

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:18 PM

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It was meshed, but I fixed that today. 2 hardwired APs.

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:19 PM

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anyway not zigbee related, moving on

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:19 PM

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Net net the aqara sensors all work fine, but one is a bit finicky.

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:19 PM

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2 ap on same channel is a big mistake

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:19 PM

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It is a water sensor and is surrounded by three others which are all happy.

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:20 PM

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What do the LQI values look like for the three devices?

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:20 PM

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One sec.

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:20 PM

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It could be that they're just all barely connected and a draining battery is causing the radio to operate at a lower power

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:20 PM

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@fading ether go here and read all again you have all the questions and info you need

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#zigbee-archived message

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:21 PM

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LQI=104

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LQI=4-

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40

sour shadow Apr 17, 2021, 8:21 PM

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The range is 1 (terrible) to 254 (awesome)

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Strange that they are so different.

sour shadow Apr 17, 2021, 8:21 PM

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1 is basically nearly dead

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:22 PM

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I don't recall the "okay" range for SiLabs coordinators but I don't think the 40 is very good

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:22 PM

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Gotcha.

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:22 PM

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from what i understand LQI of 20+ is ok

sour shadow Apr 17, 2021, 8:22 PM

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TBH I see LQIs all the way down to 20 - without general issues

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:22 PM

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For TI, LQI = remapped last-hop RSSI

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For SiLabs, LQI is more complicated and more indicative of Zigbee link quality

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Can't really compare values between different coordinator hardware and especially firmware

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:27 PM

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Okay, back to the topic. All I can think if is that something about my wifi reconfiguration caused the sensor to drop offline.

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Get that router placed half way between where the coordinator and your sensors, permit joins through the router, and re-join all the sensors to your mesh through it

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:28 PM

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k

sour shadow Apr 17, 2021, 8:28 PM

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More routers are always a good thing

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:29 PM

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There really isn't a whole lot left to debug if the sensor is gone and you've checked the usual suspects, like batteries

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:29 PM

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Is there a specific zha log to review?

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:29 PM

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I don't have the water leak sensors but if they also have a blue indicator LED and it is very dim when it blinks, swap out the battery

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If you didn't enable debug logging it won't contain much but the entries are in the main home-assistant.log file

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:30 PM

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got it, but that log contains alot of other junk. Is it easy to etup remote logging? I have that on my Linux boxes.

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:31 PM

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Not sure. I usually just grep it and look for (case-insensitive) zigpy|bellows|zha

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:31 PM

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@sour shadow that hue motion sensor is great even got firmware update for it on z2m

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:31 PM

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Got it. So you use the CLI.

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:31 PM

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is awesome

sour shadow Apr 17, 2021, 8:31 PM

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I may have to splash for a couple of them myself

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:31 PM

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Is it located at /var/log?

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 8:32 PM

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It's in the same folder as your configuration.yaml file

fading ether Apr 17, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Thx

ivory hound Apr 17, 2021, 8:32 PM

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i had on it 2016 firmware now i have 2019

golden vessel Apr 17, 2021, 9:03 PM

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anyone played with the Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle? Is it any good?

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its much cheaper than the Elelabs stick...

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 9:09 PM

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golden vessel anyone played with the Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle? Is it any good?

It seems to have RF issues: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy/discussions/635#discussioncomment-497823

golden vessel Apr 17, 2021, 9:13 PM

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still not the perfect cheap stick 😦

rugged hinge Apr 17, 2021, 9:29 PM

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@ivory hound i wanted to report back that changing my battery fixed it. Thanks for the help

gentle flint Apr 17, 2021, 9:36 PM

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And two people with that stick can't join devices to it https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/48592

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Why did they ship this thing out?

dim shard Apr 17, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Hey guys. I'm running into issues with my Zigbee network. When I call lights from automations, services or Node Red they have a tendency to not respond at times. Especially when I'm trying to call multiple lights at once, some don't turn on or off when the service call is made. And for the life of me, I can't seem to figure out why.

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Anyone have any idea what could cause this?

austere patio Apr 17, 2021, 10:31 PM

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What Zigbee stick and integration are you using?

dim shard Apr 17, 2021, 10:37 PM

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ZHA with a Conbee II

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But the problem started happening before I moved to Proxmox, on my RPi with the RaspBee II shield.

mellow geode Apr 17, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Conbee II also had the same issue for me

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Switching to an Elelabs stick, ZZH or one of tubes coordinators should solve it

dim shard Apr 17, 2021, 10:53 PM

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The thing is, I didn't have the issue with my RaspBee shield at first.

mellow geode Apr 17, 2021, 10:54 PM

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With ZHA or deConz?

dim shard Apr 17, 2021, 10:54 PM

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ZHA

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I ended up do having that issue. Then I moved to Proxmox and had to get a Conbee stick, which has the exact same issue.

mellow geode Apr 17, 2021, 10:54 PM

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I guess you could try updating the firmware but that didn’t solve this issue for me back then

dim shard Apr 17, 2021, 10:55 PM

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Already tried that. But for me it didn't help either.

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Might a channel change help? Then I'll just change to channel 11 on both my Conbee and ZHA. That should have no overlap with nearby wireless channels, which it does have now.

rugged hinge Apr 17, 2021, 11:12 PM

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I lied. My motion sensor is going crazy again. Battery replaced, any other suggestions?

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MS01 by eWeLink connected via ZHA

golden vessel Apr 18, 2021, 12:11 AM

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rugged hinge I lied. My motion sensor is going crazy again. Battery replaced, any other sugge...

whats the issue? ghosts?

rugged hinge Apr 18, 2021, 12:25 AM

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golden vessel whats the issue? ghosts?

Yeah it just keeps going off every 20 or so seconds

golden vessel Apr 18, 2021, 12:25 AM

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I've also had issues with ikea ones (usually not that frequent) and some xiaomi ones :/

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also ZHA

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I need to buy another pack of batteries... just to make sure its not them

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 4:15 AM

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Wondering if anyone knows how to troubleshoot the front end of zigbee2mqtt. I have installed both mosquitto broker and z2m as docker containers (running on a raspberry Pi with Linux/raspbian) and they are running, but cannot get the UI to work.

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 6:53 AM

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actually, now it is working, however....

zigbee2mqtt    | Zigbee2MQTT:info  2021-04-18 16:51:28: Started frontend on port 192.168.1.65:8080
zigbee2mqtt    | Zigbee2MQTT:info  2021-04-18 16:51:28: Connecting to MQTT server at mqtt://localhost:1883
zigbee2mqtt    | Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2021-04-18 16:51:28: Using MQTT anonymous login
zigbee2mqtt    | Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-04-18 16:51:38: Not connected to MQTT server!

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its Not connecting to the MQQT server

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:05 AM

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Well, is the mqtt server running on the same server as zigbee2mqtt?

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:06 AM

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yeah it is

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/getting_started/running_zigbee2mqtt.html

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I am gonna confirm step 3 is done

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:07 AM

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If it is in containers localhost might not be correct

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:08 AM

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it is, should I slap the IP of the host in there?

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it did have IP:PORT

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:09 AM

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Maybe

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I am a sith, I always deal with abdolutes

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:10 AM

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zigbee2mqtt    | Zigbee2MQTT:info  2021-04-18 17:09:37: Connecting to MQTT server at mqtt://192.168.1.65
zigbee2mqtt    | Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2021-04-18 17:09:37: Using MQTT anonymous login
zigbee2mqtt    | Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-04-18 17:09:47: Not connected to MQTT server!

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still get that

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:10 AM

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Well, is the container running?

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:10 AM

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yes

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:10 AM

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docker logs <mqttcontainername>

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:11 AM

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b8952f72e23a_mosquitto | 1618729841: mosquitto version 2.0.10 running

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https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RGwVDZr7sf/

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that is the entire start sequence

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:13 AM

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thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:13 AM

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should I be concerned about Error: Address not available ?

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:13 AM

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Then you have forgotten to tell it to listen

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Or you have a conflict

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:14 AM

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how do you tell it to listed? is that listener 1883?

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:15 AM

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My entire mosquitto.conf

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:15 AM

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legend

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:15 AM

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thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:15 AM

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that looks very different to mine

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https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bwZmHfTTSY/

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uh thats my z2m one thats why lol

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god, now it throws different errors

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b8952f72e23a_mosquitto | 1618730477: Error found at /mosquitto/config/mosquitto.conf:881.

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think I got it working, although by using docker-compose up to run it all, the only way I can then do something on the host is by hitting CTRL-C which kills the containers...

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:30 AM

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Well log_desk isn't valid

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:31 AM

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yep, removed that and it worked 🙂

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:31 AM

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You need to run docker-compose up -d

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:32 AM

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aw snap

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now, last thing before i disappear adding all my devices to this network. naming conventions... whats the best way to do that?

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:33 AM

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I do domain.room_fixture_bulbnumber

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:34 AM

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so light.office_ceiling_1 or sensor.bathroom_humidity_1 ?

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:34 AM

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light.livingroom_doglamp or light.livingroom_upstandinglamp_3 or switch.livingroom_dumblamp

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Yes

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:34 AM

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awesome

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thanks once again mate

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one more, does that differ to friendly name?

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:45 AM

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Yes

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That would be Livingroom Doglamp

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For example

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:51 AM

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perfect, although how do you change the device_id?

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and then, how does this all plug in to HA? Through the z2m integration? or mqtt?

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add-on not integration

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:53 AM

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I do all my renaming of devices in Z2m

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But friendly name in z2m is a template for how the device name and friendly name will look in ha

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:55 AM

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oh. so a friendly name for a sensor of office_temperature will come into HA looking like sensor.office_temperature ?

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:56 AM

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https://hatebin.com/auqqqbaeav

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Yes

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:56 AM

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awesome

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:56 AM

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Or friendly name of Office Temperature will be sensor.office_temperature

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:57 AM

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and to discover devices in HA, just slap the mqtt stuff in the config file?

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:57 AM

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Nope

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Just add the mqtt integration

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And enable home assistant in z2m

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It will automatically populate and remove devices in ha

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 7:58 AM

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awesome

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 8:13 AM

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so just deleted a Philips Hue light from the Hue app, now it is discoverable by both Hue app and Alexa, should it automatically pop up in the z2m UI, or do I have to manually serach?

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cos only 1/3 have worked so far

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 8:17 AM

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You have to enable joining in z2m

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And then put the bulb in pairing mode, which if it isn't paired it should be

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 8:18 AM

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yeah have done that. permit to join all is on, and have deleted the devices from the Hue app

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just deleted a heap more, they all got picked up right away by alexa

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that isn't why they aren't showing is it?

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restart of z2m sorted it

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and now its all instantaneous

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 9:22 AM

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righto, another problem...

b8952f72e23a eclipse-mosquitto:latest "/docker-entrypoint.…" 21 hours ago Restarting (13) 21 seconds ago b8952f72e23a_mosquitto

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mosquitto is 'restarting' non stop

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and ever since it did, z2m won't work

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 9:23 AM

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Well, read the logs

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Or start it attached

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docker stop <containername>

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docker start -a <containername>

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 9:25 AM

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nothing new int he logs

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yeah still sitting at 'restarting' even after starting attached

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 9:26 AM

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You should see everything happening on the console if you start it attached

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It will tell you why for sure

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 9:28 AM

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it did nothing. just started it and put it into restarting status again

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like, no wall of text on the console at all

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alright, I removed my password line password_file /mosquitto/config/mosquitto.password and turned anon access back on and it all worked

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 9:43 AM

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So it restarted because the file didn't exist

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 10:05 AM

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jolly narwhal So it restarted because the file didn't exist

the file exists, so not sure

golden vessel Apr 18, 2021, 10:07 AM

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@thick plover Remember that you can always go ZHA and avoid all that trouble 😀

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 10:10 AM

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thick plover the file exists, so not sure

Does it exist there inside the container though?

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 10:11 AM

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as in the folder directory of the container?

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 10:11 AM

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Well, sort of - where something sits on the host doesn't matter for where it is inside the container

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 10:19 AM

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righto... how do you get it in the container then?

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 10:19 AM

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What does your compose file look like?

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 10:23 AM

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https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/HWNPHP92SZ/

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 10:24 AM

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Well, yeah, you haven't mapped the password file through 😄

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    volumes:
      - ./data-mosquitto/config/mosquitto.conf:/mosquitto/config/mosquitto.conf
      - ./data-mosquitto/data:/mosquitto/data
      - ./data-mosquitto/log:/mosquitto/log
``` no `mosquitto.password` there

dry fossil Apr 18, 2021, 10:27 AM

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Why not just map the entire config folder in? 🤔

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    volumes:
      - ./data-mosquitto/config/:/mosquitto/config/```
That'd save having to map individual files.

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Also works in reverse... any files Mosquitto creates in that folder that you hadn't explicitly mapped will survive when you recreate the container.

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 10:30 AM

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oh cool

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am i gonna lose all my z2m devices if I do this? 🙂

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 10:37 AM

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No

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 10:50 AM

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which side of the colon is inside the container?

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 10:51 AM

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Right

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 10:52 AM

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ah yeah, should have noticed that

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is there a way to encrypt the mosquitto.password file?

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 10:56 AM

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It is already

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If you use the utility

frail shell Apr 18, 2021, 10:57 AM

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Hello people , does someone has experience with connecting a xiaomi pir to a different hub then the orginal one

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 10:57 AM

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Yes

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I have multiple with zigbee2mqtt

frail shell Apr 18, 2021, 10:58 AM

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ah nice

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 11:58 AM

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any tips for devices that refuse to pair?

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 12:02 PM

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Try a new battery. Try a slightly different location. Make sure it's within reach of a router that has capacity. Check that it supports the channel your mesh uses...

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 12:03 PM

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ah, capacity. whats the capacity of these devices?

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CC2652R is what I have

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 12:04 PM

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Well, every router has different limits

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Some may be as low as half a dozen, some may be up at 50 or so

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That coordinator should be good for a few dozen

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 12:05 PM

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36 on there so far...

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I will do some digging around on that one.

As for programming something like a light switch to do x when you press it... would that be done in z2m or in HA?

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 12:07 PM

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Well, you can possibly do both

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Binding allows you to have one Zigbee device directly control another

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otherwise it's automations all the way

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 12:12 PM

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hmm should have done some more research before I jumped all in on this haha. someones going to kill me 😄

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 12:12 PM

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The biggest challenge is usually building out the mesh

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 12:15 PM

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Not the wife?

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 12:16 PM

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She's become used to the fact that there's yet another AliExpress/Amazon delivery with yet another gadget

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 12:17 PM

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You mean, two every day

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 12:17 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-quiet-gif-8316632

Tenor

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 12:25 PM

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i snapped a philips hue light taking it out of the ceiling this evening, the spring bracket retainer snapped.... theres a new one arriving tomorrow 😄

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 12:48 PM

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https://community.home-assistant.io/t/zha-deconz-zigbee2mqtt-philips-hue-dimmer-switch-universal-blueprint-all-actions-double-click-events-control-lights-media-players-and-more-with-hooks/293898

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Supports controllers integrated with one of the following integrations: deCONZ, ZHA, Zigbee2MQTT.

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does that mean you need to be using the actual HA integration of z2m to use this blueprint?

dry fossil Apr 18, 2021, 1:03 PM

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Z2M isn't an integration. It's a piece of software that sends all the Zigbee commands via MQTT, which HA has an integration for.

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MQTT is MQTT. Doesn't change a thing.

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 1:19 PM

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ok so that should work then

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 1:42 PM

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I think zigbee2MQTT has broken my HA...

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Source: util/logging.py:101
First occurred: 23:30:57 (5 occurrences)
Last logged: 23:30:57

Exception in state_received when handling msg on 'zigbee2mqtt/Kitchen Ceiling 1': '{"update":{"state":"idle"},"update_available":false}' Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/mqtt/debug_info.py", line 32, in wrapper msg_callback(msg) File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/mqtt/light/schema_json.py", line 297, in state_received if values["state"] == "ON": KeyError: 'state'```

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and this... https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/5Dv7HThmB7/

dry fossil Apr 18, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Z2M can't break HA, it doesn't talk to HA 😉

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If something's wrong between HA and MQTT, diagnose that.

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It's probably not a Zigbee thing though.

thick plover Apr 18, 2021, 1:46 PM

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i think a bloke in automations is helping out.... just was weird that it also threw that error up there

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ah cool

dire willow Apr 18, 2021, 6:25 PM

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FIGURED IT OUT and in case people buy the same remote and want to figure it out too

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https://rgbgenie.com/?product=rgbgenie-rgbw-remote-zigbee

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The instructions say to press and hold the power button--- the trick is that you need to POWER the remote on first, so it is not just a press and hold the power button and then hit the s1

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actually:
press the power to turn it on, then press and hold the power button, then hit s1

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Thank you random internet video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tGfKT1wWPE

dire willow Apr 18, 2021, 7:05 PM

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but, the getting it to work thing was hard...

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:20 PM

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I am starting to have to replace batteries on my zigbee devices. It looks like around 50% battery charge they are getting unreliable and even drop off the network as 'unavailable'. Just replacing the battery doesn't make them available again .... I have to re-pair the device which is a nuisance and it doesn't make sense to me. Is this normal or is there a secret handshake that I am missing ?

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:20 PM

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Wake them?

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:21 PM

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I tried restarting HA, rebooting the host, pressing the reset button on the device, running a reconfigure for the device - nothing works

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:22 PM

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Simply waking the devices has never failed me, but you haven't said what those brands are

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:23 PM

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So far they are all Sonoff brand, mostly PIR's and one temp/humidity sensor. How do you wake them ?

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:24 PM

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Usually it's a short press on the reset/pair button, enough to wake them but not enough to reset them

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:24 PM

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On the PIR, I did try to activate them by moving mu hand in front of the sensor and it triggers (flashes) but doesn't become available

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:24 PM

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On Xiaomi and Konke devices it causes the LED to flash and the device to check in

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:24 PM

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I tried the short reset as well - no joy

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OK, thanks .... if doing the quick reset push is 'supposed' to work, I will try that more diligently on the next device tat goes down. I tried it on both a pir and the temp/humidity sensor but I didn't try it multiple times and these things sometimes need convincing.

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Of course, if you're regularly replacing batteries, then either they're really crappy (well, they are Sonoff), or you're lacking enough routers for a healthy mesh

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You should get 2+ years from a set of batteries

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:30 PM

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How about 3 - 4 months ???? I wasn't going to worry about battery life until I replaced the batteries that came with the devices which might not be too good. The replacements have dates marked on them so I can see what happens with new batteries.

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:30 PM

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If you can measure it in months then that's not good

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I've had to replace one battery that came with a device before that device was in use for a year

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Out of ... 40 or so

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:32 PM

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Yeah, I wasn't too impressed either but before I get all bent out of shape I want to see what happens with new batteries. Mind you, they are still China batteries ....

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:33 PM

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I have 30 Xiaomi devices, from China, and 10 Konke, ditto, one battery failed before a year was up

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:33 PM

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I have roughly 20 zigbee devices going and replaced5 batteries so far ... I think

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:33 PM

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I've replaced three batteries, in the humidity sensors, all of which have been in use for 18-24 months

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One door sensor had a failing battery after 4 months, that's the only outlier

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The humidity sensors do seem to go through batteries faster than the door/window sensors, none of which are showing any drop in battery level of note

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:36 PM

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Hmmmmm, maybe I need to look at bringing in a Xiaomi device for testing. Do they make PIR's that are small and are not prone to random triggering (Sonoff's trigger maybe 2 or 3 times per day)

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:36 PM

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The Sonoffs are known to be crappy motion sensors

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I've had no issues with https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/RTCGQ11LM.html, and https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/2AJZ4KPBS.html are slightly smaller, but only work on limited channels

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:37 PM

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Yes, I have figured that out. I have some Aquara units coming but they are almost twice the price and three times the physical size. The Sonoff's are easy to stick all over the place and not too obvious.

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:38 PM

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I prefer the look of the Konke units, they're a lot easier to overlook

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:38 PM

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I do not use mqtt .... another thing to go wrong

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Nothing goes wrong shrug

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:39 PM

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I will have a search for the Konke one's - can't say I ever noticed them before

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:39 PM

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They're relatively new, but easy to get on AliExpress

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Got a link? I just did a search and nothing 'konke' in the first page of search results searching for 'konke'. Instead I get a lot of Aquara devices

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Batteries you say

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I've replaced one inside my house in 2 years

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And one outside

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:44 PM

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Gaaaaahhhhhh

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:45 PM

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https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20210418114503&SearchText=konke found a stack

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000478277318.html specifically, but there's a host more

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:47 PM

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Thanks .... I actually searched for 'konke motion' ..... I will look those over and maybe bring one in to test - thanks!

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Konke PIR ordered ..... thanks again!

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Now I hope you read the links I posted earlier, and paid attention to my warning 😉

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#zigbee-archived message

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Ummm .... no, I didn't because they seemed to relate to MQTT ....

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 8:02 PM

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Well... they're docs about the devices, while parts are Z2M specific, parts aren't 😉

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 8:05 PM

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I see that the device only works on a few channels .... I will deal with that when I get the thing. So far I have never had to deal with setting channels or anything else for that matter. I just pair it and I am off to the races.

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Yes, which is why I warned about that

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If you have to change channel you have to re-pair everything

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 8:07 PM

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It does look nice and small which I prefer so if it works and doesn't false trigger then it will probably become my go-to device

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OMG ..... I did not realize that re-pairing would be required for everything. ..... I will cross the bridge when I come to it 🙂

dry fossil Apr 18, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Or... re-pair them all while you wait for your order to arrive so everything works that day with minimal effort.

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 8:10 PM

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Good idea mono ..... need to figure out how to change channels first ....

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 8:11 PM

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Covered in the ZHA docs

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Possibly it's 15 by default, but it's not clear

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 8:16 PM

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Found it .... never looked at the doc's before, interesting ....

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 8:16 PM

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The docs are full of useful and relevant things 😂

icy tusk Apr 18, 2021, 8:17 PM

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Imagine that ....n who would have thunk ... 🙂

ivory hound Apr 18, 2021, 8:53 PM

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how do i stop an ota on z2m?

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any way to force stop it? seem is stuck

jolly narwhal Apr 18, 2021, 8:54 PM

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Nope

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It'll time out

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I've never seen one hang though

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I've done... Probably 100

sour shadow Apr 18, 2021, 8:54 PM

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Yeah, they either run to completion, or fail with a timeout

ivory hound Apr 18, 2021, 8:54 PM

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yeah, I've succeeded that

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😅

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it was working nicely and i closed z2m web interface

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and when i open it again

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it says in progress time N/A

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and stuck

untold talon Apr 19, 2021, 1:29 AM

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Hey all

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Trying to get an Aurora dimmer to turn on and off and dim a couple of zigbee light bulbs

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Anyway to do this withtou node-red?

rigid spear Apr 19, 2021, 3:06 AM

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adding a zigbee stick here (Nortek) and the integration asks me for "port speed" and "data flow control"
what are the value? couldn't find the answer

austere patio Apr 19, 2021, 3:23 AM

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rigid spear adding a zigbee stick here (Nortek) and the integration asks me for "port speed"...

Are you using HA core or some nonstandard installation method? It only asks for those after all of the autodetection methods have failed, which likely means that something is wrong with the serial port

rigid spear Apr 19, 2021, 4:01 AM

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austere patio Are you using HA core or some nonstandard installation method? It only asks for ...

HA core on Unraid

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 5:42 AM

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I'm a VM or a docker container?

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wtfRead

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 6:08 AM

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Anyone able to break down how to get the Philips Hue Dimmer working with lights connected via zigbee2mqtt? I have tried a few automations and blueprints and cannot seem to get it going. It makes me wonder if they are even working in z2m. I did the reset on the device, interviewed and added to z2m fine, but they still show on the Hue app and don't send any data in the z2m log when the buttons are pressed.

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 6:12 AM

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Well, does the device appear in z2m?

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And in HA?

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As in, available

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Mine say "last seen: 1 minute ago" in z2m

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Even if I haven't pressed it for days

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This automation uses a hue dimmer switch

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https://github.com/atxbyea/HA-Config/blob/ff654ec53b218c2a504099b6886845f27fbe4ff3/automations.yaml#L1329

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 6:58 AM

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mine appear in z2m but say "N/A" under last seen

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 6:59 AM

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Make sure that last_seen is enabled

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/configuration.html

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However, if it shows in the Hue app and works there, it's not connected to Z2M

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:01 AM

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Any idea how to get rid of it from the Hue app?

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the 'accessories' in the hue app, none of them budge

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 7:02 AM

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No idea, don't use it since I took my Hue bridge to the recycling centre 😂

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:03 AM

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@thick plover the correct way to remove zigbee devices from hue bridge is to unbind / remove them from hue bridge while your zigbee network is open to receive new devices

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in your case

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i would do this

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remove device from z2m

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:04 AM

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ah so remove from z2m and try remove from hue again?

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:04 AM

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then open join in z2m

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and then do remove zigbee devices from hue bridge is to unbind / remove them from hue bridge while your zigbee network is open to receive new devices

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:05 AM

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all my devices are now last seen 'just now'

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:05 AM

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the thing is that device should not be joined anywhere while you want to join it on z2m

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:05 AM

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actually i think its all good, they all say 'unreachable' now in the hue app

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FMD - i didn't realize the delete button was hidden on the ios hue app and you had to scroll down the page hahaha

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:06 AM

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that's not good

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that means hue still wants to reach them

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:06 AM

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they are all deleted now 🙂

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gonna give atxbyea's automation a go now...

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:07 AM

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yah the thing is they still remain in hue network if you delete them while they are unreachable 🙂

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i should know it happen to me in the begining

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however that wont be a problem if you unplug hue bridge

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:08 AM

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oh its getting unplugged 🙂

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i have 0 requirement for it now

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:08 AM

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then you are fine

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MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/Kitchen Dimmer', payload '{"battery":89,"counter":1,"last_seen":"2021-04-19T07:05:36.048Z","linkquality":66,"update":{"progress":72.72,"remaining":447,"state":"updating"},"update_available":false}'

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uhuuu

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speaking of hue

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haha

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:21 AM

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instead of using scene.turn_on could you use light.turn_on?

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:22 AM

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yes

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:22 AM

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hmm - not working for me that way then

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:22 AM

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but not in scene context

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look at docs

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:23 AM

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alias: Office HueDimmer On
description: ''
trigger:
  - platform: state
    entity_id: sensor.office_action
    to: on-press
condition: []
action:
  - service: light.turn_on
    target:
      entity_id: light.office_lights
mode: single

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:23 AM

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Finished update of 'Kitchen Dimmer' 😄

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:24 AM

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i updated a light last night, took forever

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47 minutes

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:25 AM

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this is how it works

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data transfer rates are very slow

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but hey it works

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zigbee is not build for speed

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:26 AM

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except for when yours truly wants to get a switch to turn a group of lights on and off...

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:28 AM

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how many?

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 7:28 AM

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Zigbee groups are great for that

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:30 AM

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like @sour shadow said if that group needs to have many zigbee lights use a zigbee group

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:30 AM

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like 3

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yeah was going to make groups in z2m and try that instead

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:31 AM

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if you only need under 4 or so lights in that group you can do a group in home assistant

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:31 AM

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yeah I have the lights all set up as groups in HA already

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doesn't work with those, so will try via a z2m group

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:31 AM

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so what's not working?

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:31 AM

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just nothing when I click the button on the remote

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 7:31 AM

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I did a group for three lights, works more reliably than when doing them one at a time

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:32 AM

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yah you did something wrong

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i have light groups in ha and they work flowerless

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they never failed

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:33 AM

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they worked with the hue entities

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do the z2m groups carry over to HA?

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:34 AM

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again read docs

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:34 AM

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😄 will do

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:35 AM

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we can't answer every question you have 🙂 we are not encyclopedia

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:35 AM

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then why the hell am I here? 😄

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:36 AM

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you do realize all ppl here help voluntary, right?

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:36 AM

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I am joking mate. Of course. And hopefully I can impart wisdom some day too

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 7:37 AM

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hope so, not to long agao i was you 🙂

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:42 AM

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weird, the hue dimmer that I have been trying to get working, I can see it in the Map on z2m, however its not connected to anything...

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 7:44 AM

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I see that on and off - devices that aren't connected, apparently, yet work fine

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:46 AM

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BTW Tinkerer, now up to 46 devices on the CC2652R

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got it all working 😄 no idea why its decided to start working, but automations controlling the lights now work

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now, what other sensors should I buy 😄

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 7:51 AM

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All of them

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 7:54 AM

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this is the correct answer

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i will let my wife know 🙂

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when the stuff arrives...

dry fossil Apr 19, 2021, 8:03 AM

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The trick is to also buy a bunch of stuff for her at the same time.

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Either she won't even notice your stuff or she'll be so happy with her stuff that she won't question your stuff.

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 8:07 AM

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MR SMART

analog quail Apr 19, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Hi, I've been looking at light bulbs on Amazon - can you still get ZigBee compatible bulbs? Most of them now seem to say 2.54GHz WiFi and not Zigbee yet they all claim compatibility with Hue etc. I had Innr before but they don't seem to be available now for a reasonable price.

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 8:12 AM

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I don't see amazon stopping selling zigbee anytime soon

analog quail Apr 19, 2021, 8:12 AM

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maybe it's because I'm looking for an E14 bulb

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 8:12 AM

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but zigbee is 2.4ghz just like 802.11.b\g\n

violet dagger Apr 19, 2021, 8:13 AM

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just look for the red Z logo

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 8:13 AM

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See the hardware lists in the pinned messages

analog quail Apr 19, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Ah I see, it's strange some of them say you need to enable 2.4Ghz on your WiFi AP so I assumed they were "normal" WiFi.

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Well, those are normal WiFi

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But ... 2.4 GHz means nothing

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WiFi, Bluetooth, Zigbee, and more all live there

analog quail Apr 19, 2021, 8:14 AM

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Right I understand thanks.

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 8:14 AM

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I bought some Ikea E14 bulbs the other day, not from Amazon, but Amazon also lists a range of options

analog quail Apr 19, 2021, 8:14 AM

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But the ones that are WiFi (not Zigbee) are not compatible with Home Assistant without flashing their firmware?

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 8:15 AM

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They're possibly supported by one of the various cloud based integrations, if you're lucky

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 8:15 AM

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A lot are compatible with stock firmware

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a lot are not

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Shrug

analog quail Apr 19, 2021, 8:15 AM

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I've already got a ConBee so will find a Zigbee one. Thanks.

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 8:15 AM

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my condolances

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😄

analog quail Apr 19, 2021, 8:16 AM

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Is ConBee not good ?

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 8:16 AM

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depends, which zigbee platform are you using it with ?

analog quail Apr 19, 2021, 8:16 AM

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I think it's Phoscon ?

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 8:16 AM

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that supposedly works fine

analog quail Apr 19, 2021, 8:21 AM

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jolly narwhal A lot are compatible with stock firmware

Is there a list anywhere of compatible ones ?

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 8:22 AM

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https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/ 🌮

analog quail Apr 19, 2021, 8:23 AM

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thanks

ocean timber Apr 19, 2021, 8:43 AM

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analog quail I think it's Phoscon ?

No problems at all with Phoscon here running on a separate RPi

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 8:45 AM

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so i'd like to bribe someone to be able to update in z2m Samsung GP-U999SJVLBEA SmartThings Motion Sensor and Samsung SmartThings GP-U999SJVLAEA Multifunction Sensor 🤣

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that would be awesome

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when i sold my SmartThings hub i did not think about the update part :))

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 9:00 AM

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dry fossil Either she won't even notice your stuff or she'll be so happy with her stuff tha...

I have abused the system for too many years to get away with that one...

desert cloak Apr 19, 2021, 9:03 AM

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Just notice the binding option on zigbee2mqtt. Does that mean that I can for example make my tradfri remotes to directly control my tradfri bulbs or group of bulbs, and at the same time control the bulbs with zigbee2mqtt and read the actions the remotes are sending by mqtt.

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:04 AM

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if the devices support binding

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not all do

desert cloak Apr 19, 2021, 9:04 AM

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Tradfri bulbs and tradfri remotes probably do?

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:04 AM

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probably

desert cloak Apr 19, 2021, 9:04 AM

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Isn’t that the normal ikea way to use remotes

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And motion sensors

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:05 AM

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probably, I don't use bindings at all

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everything happens via HA

junior meteor Apr 19, 2021, 9:06 AM

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Yeah, afaik, IKEA's Tradfri system works like that that you directly bind remotes with bulbs and other stuff. That's what's biting them back now for adding new features

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So it should support binding

dry fossil Apr 19, 2021, 9:06 AM

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You don't have to bind them. I have a blind and remote connected to Z2M.

desert cloak Apr 19, 2021, 9:07 AM

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I am using node red for ikea remotes now and maybe binding them directly may make the brightness up/down smoother

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Instead of using my own node red functionality

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:07 AM

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you guys adjust your brightnesses manually ? 😄

dry fossil Apr 19, 2021, 9:08 AM

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Putting the 'manual' into 'home automation'

desert cloak Apr 19, 2021, 9:08 AM

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For the rest of the family yes, adaptive lightning did not get wife approval and had to remove it completely

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:08 AM

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wife loves adaptive lighting

desert cloak Apr 19, 2021, 9:08 AM

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Too dim for taking showers at the night

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:09 AM

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One of the few rooms I don't have smart lights yet, the bathroom but that should be easily addressable with a water sensor

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if shower == lights up

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or temp, or humidity

desert cloak Apr 19, 2021, 9:10 AM

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Too slow to adapt. Maybe have it another go after some planning first

dry fossil Apr 19, 2021, 9:11 AM

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Flow sensor then?

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:11 AM

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slow to adapt ? a temp sensor on the outflow pipe or a water sensor would be instantanious

desert cloak Apr 19, 2021, 9:12 AM

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Door sensor and motion sensor and temp/humidity in bathroom and sauna but the problem is how to know if she is going to take a shower in the middle of the night (needs enough light) or just go to the toilet (dim is good enough).

dry fossil Apr 19, 2021, 9:13 AM

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This would work: #zigbee-archived message

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:13 AM

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temp sensor on the outflow pipe will be hard to misinterpret

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or a water sensor on the floor \ side of the shower

desert cloak Apr 19, 2021, 9:15 AM

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All the sensors should be invisible if asked her. Water sensors are in use under the dishwasher, washing machine and done other places I can hide them completely but on the bathroom floor, that would not be acceptable 🧐

dry fossil Apr 19, 2021, 9:16 AM

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You have pipes behind the wall, right?

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:16 AM

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Shrug

dry fossil Apr 19, 2021, 9:16 AM

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Sensor on pipe = invisible.

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:19 AM

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or like 90% of norwegian showers, freestanding cabinets with skirts and easily accessible pipes

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not sure how common that is in the rest of the world

dry fossil Apr 19, 2021, 9:20 AM

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Yeah, we have skirts too.

desert cloak Apr 19, 2021, 9:20 AM

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That would anyway be too slow if the light comes brighter just after the water is flowing. The compromise right now is to use door sensors and motion sensors together. Opening either of the bathroom doors between 1am and 5am will put light on at dim, but if the motion sensor above the shower also triggers they will go to the full brightness.

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:21 AM

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lights coming on at 100% brightness after 22:00

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👀

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hmm_eyes

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I would die

dry fossil Apr 19, 2021, 9:21 AM

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Does the shower have a door? If so, just put a contact sensor on it.

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:22 AM

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smart

dry fossil Apr 19, 2021, 9:22 AM

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But 'too slow'? How many seconds between opening the shower and turning it on? Like 2 seconds?

desert cloak Apr 19, 2021, 9:23 AM

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Well, everything should be invisible, immediate and work every time.

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But iteration by iteration this will be better, not perfect but better 😁

dry fossil Apr 19, 2021, 9:28 AM

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desert cloak Well, everything should be invisible, immediate and work every time.

Yes... working every time is what we're getting at. How do you know 100% that the shower is on? You know because there's water flowing.

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 9:28 AM

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That sounds like it's going to be costly then 😉

dry fossil Apr 19, 2021, 9:28 AM

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What if someone just wants to grab something from the shower cubical?

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 9:28 AM

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Reduced visibility == expensive 😄

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(you start looking at recessed mountings for sensors, and those aren't cheap)

desert cloak Apr 19, 2021, 9:29 AM

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Yeah, compromises need to be made

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 9:29 AM

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TBH many surface mount sensors aren't exactly obvious - the Xiaomi light sensors for instance

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 9:30 AM

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I think this hue dimmer I have is no good - it worked for a bit, now z2m says it hasn't been seen in over an hour 😦

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@ivory hound is this because its still looking for the hue hub?

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 9:35 AM

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if you press the buttons on it

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they work?

ocean timber Apr 19, 2021, 9:40 AM

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jolly narwhal slow to adapt ? a temp sensor on the outflow pipe or a water sensor would be ins...

Temp sensor on the hot water pipe would be a good input to determine the bathroom state, then add a PIR presence detector and humidity sensor. Possibly detect if the extract fan is powered.

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:45 AM

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or the outlet pipe

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the inlet pipe can fluxuate based on nearby faucets

ocean timber Apr 19, 2021, 9:45 AM

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jolly narwhal the inlet pipe can fluxuate based on nearby faucets

Need to find the branch that leads to the shower

late mauve Apr 19, 2021, 9:47 AM

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I have a few cheap zigbee plugs with energy meters, Blitzwolf BW-SHP13 that I use with ConBee + deCONZ add-on. The plugs work fine, but seem to only update the power once per minute or so. Which is fine most for getting trends, but when the consumption goes from 0 to something more or from something to 0, I'd like to know within 2-3 second or so to be able to use it as a trigger. I can't find any setting in deCONZ for this and Google gave me loads of stuff but not what I want. Any tips here? Is it even possible?

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 9:48 AM

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@late mauve don't think you can do that

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this is why i use tasmota plugs (wifi)

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 9:49 AM

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No idea about the blitzwolf zigbee plugs, I too use tasmota (including blitzwolf plugs) for all power monitoring needs

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 9:49 AM

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in fact because of this reason i removed all my zigbee plugs

violet dagger Apr 19, 2021, 9:49 AM

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they're fine with z2m

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 9:51 AM

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another issue i had with zigbee plugs on ZHA is some smart guy removed consumption in KWh and now all reports come as W witch is plain wrong

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most have 2 sensors that report the same thing

ocean timber Apr 19, 2021, 9:52 AM

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ivory hound <@!459008336982048768> don't think you can do that

Maybe Shelly is also an option

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 9:55 AM

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as long as you can run tasmota on it it will work very good

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you can even make them report like once per 2 or 3 seconds

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you can make them report on percentage power change

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anyway not zigbee moving on

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look into that

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look in here https://templates.blakadder.com/plug.html site is very useful guessing it belongs to @violet dagger

violet dagger Apr 19, 2021, 10:01 AM

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who?

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 10:02 AM

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some jerk

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PE_PandaCloseRight

violet dagger Apr 19, 2021, 10:02 AM

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that must be me then

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 10:02 AM

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:))))))

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 10:21 AM

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if i take the battery out and put it back in, it starts working again

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 10:25 AM

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if you still speak about that hue dimmer, i am pretty sure is not paired correctly in this case

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 10:30 AM

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yeah it is. bugger. i will try deleting from z2m, adding to hue again, deleting it properly from hue, then adding back to z2m

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 10:30 AM

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that's best way

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 10:41 AM

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I have a new zzh, can I just adjust the path in .storage (was conbee til now) or are there additional steps I should take care of?

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 10:46 AM

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If you migrate the sticks (see the pinned messages), yes

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Otherwise see https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/FAQ.html#what-does-and-does-not-require-repairing-of-all-devices

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 10:59 AM

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Tinkerer, what was that integration you mentioned that adapts the lights depending on the sun's state?

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 11:01 AM

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https://github.com/basnijholt/adaptive-lighting

thick plover Apr 19, 2021, 11:02 AM

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sweet, looks like you can exclude/include rooms too

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 11:02 AM

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radio_type = znp then? or ti_cc ?

foggy pawn Apr 19, 2021, 11:03 AM

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Hi there. I'm using the default HA Zigbee handler (ZDO?) and got a new Zigbee wall switch. Standard question: can I make it a pair software-only buttons, i.e. no actual mains switching ?

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it's a (tuya) tyzs3-based device

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 11:13 AM

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hm, no errors, no worky. devices available but do not react

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 11:29 AM

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guess thats bad
https://imgur.com/a/UJZa89G

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:13 PM

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@sterile sleet did you flash it? u have zzh one no?

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:14 PM

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I have zzh! and the test python script shows PASS|OK , yes I flashed it

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:15 PM

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can you share your zigbee2mqtt conf in a pastebin? also how do you run z2m?

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:15 PM

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I run zha

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:15 PM

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ahhh

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how do you run ha then?

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:16 PM

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#449717345808547842

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:16 PM

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ok perfect

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then make sure your use /dev/tty*

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everywhere

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:17 PM

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I use /dev/serial

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:17 PM

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yeah that is the problem

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:17 PM

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wut

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:17 PM

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it happen to me too

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try to change everywhere

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it will work

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:18 PM

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let me try..

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:18 PM

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go go

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also remove and re add zha

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or change paths or whatever

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:20 PM

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updated compose, updated core.config_entries, starting now..

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:21 PM

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what in tarnation

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I see no reason why that wouldn't work

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:21 PM

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i see some

foggy pawn Apr 19, 2021, 12:22 PM

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um... anybody with experience on those tuya devices? I'm using ZHA

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:23 PM

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I use a tuya zigbee device with z2m

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:24 PM

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you know most ppl don't know but /dev/tty* and /dev/serial/by-id don't use same drivers 😅

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:24 PM

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tty* is usually just a symlink

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and no worky either with ttyUSB0

foggy pawn Apr 19, 2021, 12:25 PM

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yes they're just symlinks

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and using IDs is better so you don't screw up your devices. Esp. true with drives, you don't want to accidentally nuke your data 😛

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:25 PM

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@sterile sleet still not working?

foggy pawn Apr 19, 2021, 12:26 PM

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@jolly narwhal oof. I just wonder if there's a way to make a wall-switch essentially just a pair of software-controlled buttons -- I don't need it to switch anything since I have smart gear behind it already

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:26 PM

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nope, I use device_type: ti_cc in core_config

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:27 PM

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my best guess is this happen because you updated from deconz to zzh without removing integration and just changing in confs

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if i picked that right

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:27 PM

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yes

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:27 PM

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try to remove zha

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restart

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and do a fresh zha add

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:28 PM

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but I need to repair everything then?

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:28 PM

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in my opinion you need to repair eveything anyway

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i just dont see it how you can switch from conbee to zzh without repairing

foggy pawn Apr 19, 2021, 12:29 PM

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well I guess I can just wire the switch up to just power itself and forget it...

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(ugh no, it's got no neutral... think i'm stuck here XD)

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:30 PM

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should be possible afaik

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:30 PM

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@sterile sleet if i were you I would even delete zigbee.db just to be sure i start fresh

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just make a new zigbee newtork on the correct channel (with less interference)

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this is what I would do

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:35 PM

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fml

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:35 PM

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just migrate to z2m already 😉

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:36 PM

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and have no control over my devices? nah

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:36 PM

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no control 🤔

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:36 PM

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try sending a colorloop speed command to a bulb with z2m

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:37 PM

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is doable but not simple as zha

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:38 PM

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last I checked it's not even possible

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:38 PM

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I've checked how this works with the Hue hub (https://labs.meethue.com/formulas/huelabs/colorloop) but it's doing nothing more then sending the hue_move command which is already supported (https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/mqtt_topics_and_message_structure.html#zigbee2mqttfriendly_nameset).

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https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/1791

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:39 PM

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hue_move is just from color x to y - no continous/infinite move

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:39 PM

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what on earth are you using that for ?

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:39 PM

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ambient lightning

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:39 PM

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trying to see what it does

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:39 PM

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@jolly narwhal is right with that move it works

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you can make a script with a while loop

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as I said is possible but not so simple as ZHA

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:40 PM

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I just like to let the bulbs work that out themselves. hue_move is just another command to make the network / coordinator busy

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:42 PM

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for me colorloop is not needed ever, to be honest a script will do this just fine 🙂 but i don't need it, ofc now it depends of use case scenarios of everyone

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in my book ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT are both good

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both have advantages and disadvantages

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at one point i used both in the same time :))

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:43 PM

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If the bulb supports it - I let the bulb calculate stuff and free the mesh

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yeah I think I will pair the bulbs back to the hue bridge and everything else to z2m

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OK I will do it @jolly narwhal

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fml though, 70 devices

forest cobalt Apr 19, 2021, 12:46 PM

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Personally, I like z2m over ZHA simply because I like the added benefit of my zigbee devices being available outside of HA (should HA go down, etc).

golden vessel Apr 19, 2021, 12:47 PM

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@sterile sleet you can't change coordinators without re-pairing at the momento

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:47 PM

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took me 45 minutes to repair 60+ devices @sterile sleet, then I even had a few issues

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:47 PM

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golden vessel <@664057275421556751> you can't change coordinators without re-pairing at the mo...

you can, just not from and to conbee

golden vessel Apr 19, 2021, 12:47 PM

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Yeah, if they are both ezsp you can

forest cobalt Apr 19, 2021, 12:47 PM

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sterile sleet fml though, 70 devices

Yeah, been there, done that... It hurt. But, there was the bonus of finding out that most of my crawlspace devices had dropped off my mesh for over a month. lol

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:49 PM

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first off, replug that conbee and unpair everything

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:49 PM

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nah

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just reset all devices with whatever coordinator you want to use in pairing mode

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I've never unpaired anything from either HUE, Xiaomi or Tradfri

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:50 PM

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some of the bulbs are monsters to reset afaik

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:50 PM

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which bulbs ? tradfri is just power flip 6 times, hue I just use the dimmer and press until they flash

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:50 PM

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hue

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:50 PM

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with the dimmer it is easy then

forest cobalt Apr 19, 2021, 12:51 PM

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sterile sleet some of the bulbs are monsters to reset afaik

The only ones I've ever had problems with were the Ikea bulbs and that was because I was on zb channel 6 (which it seems that the Ikea bulbs hate).

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:52 PM

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fuck meeee I have 10 hue motion sensors

forest cobalt Apr 19, 2021, 12:52 PM

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For the Hue bulbs, you could always use the hue-thief script.

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:52 PM

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sterile sleet fuck meeee I have 10 hue motion sensors

and?

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:52 PM

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Never seen those, moving the xiaomi motion sensors were just holding the button for five seconds with z2m in pairing mode

forest cobalt Apr 19, 2021, 12:52 PM

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The hue motion sensors are EASY. Pop a pin in the back of it for about 1-2 seconds.

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:52 PM

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yeah but they are partially glued

violet dagger Apr 19, 2021, 12:52 PM

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i didn't know amount of hue bulbs is a good incentive for copulation

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:52 PM

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lol hue motion sensors are really really good

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haha

forest cobalt Apr 19, 2021, 12:53 PM

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@sterile sleet Yeah, ewwww @ that.

forest cobalt Apr 19, 2021, 12:54 PM

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ivory hound lol hue motion sensors are really really good

Seriously the best motion sensors I've had to date. All of mine are on the same batteries they came with... almost 2 years ago. LOL

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:54 PM

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same with my xiaomi ones

sterile sleet Apr 19, 2021, 12:54 PM

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mine worked for 5 years straight

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:54 PM

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had zero issues

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only had them for 2 years though, but haven't replaced a battery yet

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even did the 1 second hack on one of them

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:55 PM

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lol no xiaomi again 🙂 that are shit, I agree they last a lot but they report at 2 minutes intervals etc

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:55 PM

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mine report every second roughly

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😄

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if I watch the mqtt log while moving in my office

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it will be flooded

forest cobalt Apr 19, 2021, 12:56 PM

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I've thought about getting a few of the Xiaomi ones to play with, but my Hue ones work way too well... 😄

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:57 PM

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you cant compare hue motion or samjin smartthing motion sensors with xiaomi

violet dagger Apr 19, 2021, 12:57 PM

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you can't?

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:57 PM

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different category's

forest cobalt Apr 19, 2021, 12:57 PM

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ivory hound you cant compare hue motion or samjin smartthing motion sensors with xiaomi

LMAO #TrueStory

violet dagger Apr 19, 2021, 12:57 PM

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they're both zigbee motion sensors

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:57 PM

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I have no comparative ground, but there is nothing the hue sensor can offer me that the xiaomi can't do right now

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:57 PM

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i can give you one

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temperature :)))))))

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:58 PM

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I don't use them for that 🤷

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I have temperature senors at better locations in each room

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:58 PM

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violet dagger they're both zigbee motion sensors

this is all that they have in common 🙂

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:58 PM

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best motion detection location is not the same as best temperature location

forest cobalt Apr 19, 2021, 12:58 PM

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Do the xiaomi ones have lux as well?

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 12:59 PM

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yes, it's shitty though

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:59 PM

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some of them do

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 12:59 PM

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When detecting motion

violet dagger Apr 19, 2021, 12:59 PM

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that seems like an overly broad and incorrect statement

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:59 PM

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but lux on xiaomi is .... like motion / in a grey area

sour shadow Apr 19, 2021, 12:59 PM

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If you want a light sensor, buy a dedicated one

forest cobalt Apr 19, 2021, 12:59 PM

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Hmmmm, that'd be a deal killer for me then. I use lux EVERYWHERE in my autos.

ivory hound Apr 19, 2021, 12:59 PM

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yah the aqara illuminance one is good

jolly narwhal Apr 19, 2021, 1:00 PM

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It seems very good so far

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I'm testing out my first one

forest cobalt Apr 19, 2021, 1:00 PM

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Hmmmm... food for thought then. Just have to get the wife to sign off on more sensors 😉