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jolly narwhal
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Turn on my washer

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Or send a text message to my wife

sour shadow
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I use one for controlling the music in the office 😄

jolly narwhal
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That is a good idea actually

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I have spare remotes

sour shadow
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It's just a simple pause/play, but so handy

jolly narwhal
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Since we don't use them

sour shadow
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I'm tempted to stick the Aquara button under the desk, and have it toggle the light strip into alarm mode for giggles 😄

compact plover
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the only practical use I've thought of so far is to unlock the front door when someone comes with a delivery

thick plover
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What would you use the light sensor for?

compact plover
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to set the light brightness depending on ambient light?

sour shadow
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I use it to turn on and off lights as the light level drops, and rises

thick plover
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Ah yeah

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Not sure the missus will like it if I slap motion sensors in the living areas - I’m guessing that’s how people like @jolly narwhal get away without switches everywhere except bedrooms?

compact plover
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I have switches in bedroom and living room (with hue dimmers) and motion sensors everywhere else

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they aren't that obtrrusive

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my ikea lights do occasionally flicker though and I have no idea why. They are paired with the Hue hub

sour shadow
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I've got motion sensors, but mostly I do activity detection rather than motion detection - good motion detection would take more sensors than I have

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Spot things like TV's being on, music being listened to, etc

jolly narwhal
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Most people don't notice either my motion or door sensors

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Heck, the lights are on before they enter a room with a door sensor

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So they just assume it is on already

compact plover
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how do you know which side of the door they started if you use door sensors?

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🙂

obsidian sandalBOT
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This command exists purely for Mimiix, because he couldn't remember .zigbee. Don't see him around so much any more though, maybe he also forgot where the server is?

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frail oracle
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nice

frail oracle
frail oracle
compact plover
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door sensors just trigger on door open right, so if you have rooms A | B which light do you trigger when the door sensors is activated?

frail oracle
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Or in B

compact plover
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you know that, but how does the system

frail oracle
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I get your usecase tho

compact plover
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I guess you need to combine it with motion detectors, but if that's the case what use is the door sensor

frail oracle
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I like Doorsensors for notifications

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I have one on the front door and my room door

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I've seen users using it for:

  • Mailbox(if there's mail)
  • Fridge check (if you left the fridge open)
  • drawers
  • REmoving the magnet and using it to check if the doorbell rang (if you have a old doorbell with a magnet, that would emit enough to magnetize the switch in thedoorsensor)
compact plover
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I can imagine using it as part of an alarm system and I like your notification suggestions

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not seeing the value for lighting though

thick plover
thick plover
frail oracle
compact plover
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aha, storage makes sense, although I have used closed loop systems for mine (is that what they are called?)

compact plover
desert cloak
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Well, I have two or more motion sensors in almost all rooms to get a best possible thought of presence. They are also accompanied by door sensors@and other triggered like tv is on, sauna is above certain temperature, etc. Not a full proof, but usually does the job and keeps other family members happy. It is better to have false positives than false negatives (lights go off) with the “presence”

compact plover
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yeah agreed

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hope nobody minds me asking again, but has anyone used the Sonoff Zigbee bridge? I have ordered one flashed with tasmoto in the hope that I don't need to bother using zigbee2mqtt

sour shadow
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It's underwhelming by comparison

violet dagger
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itćll work just fine if you plan on using ZHA

sour shadow
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Though, given that it uses WiFi it's "not ideal"

compact plover
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@sour shadow underwhelming for speed reasons or something else?

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I need decent wifi coverage anyway for my Shelly switches

sour shadow
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You've got the cut down version of a Zigbee integration, where you have to do it all by hand

violet dagger
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wifi in general is underwhelming for critical operations

sour shadow
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Use it as a coordinator for ZHA or Z2M then it's not so bad, but it's still ... not so good

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See the pinned messages on Zigbee and WiFi, and then realise that there's interference that happens from the two radios being in close proximity, even if you keep the channels separate

compact plover
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thank you, I will have a read

verbal shale
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soo

compact plover
inner cave
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Hi, does anybody faced some issues with mqtt broker errors after latest upgrade ?

1618243852: Socket error on client <unknown>, disconnecting.
1618243854: New connection from 192.168.1.174 on port 1883.
1618243854: Socket error on client <unknown>, disconnecting.
1618243911: New connection from 192.168.1.175 on port 1883.
1618243911: Socket error on client <unknown>, disconnecting.
1618243915: New connection from 192.168.1.174 on port 1883.
1618243915: Socket error on client <unknown>, disconnecting.```
spice kelp
inner cave
spice kelp
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that's not a mosquitto version

verbal shale
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@compact plover ive been start to having issues when I did past the 20 devices lol

inner cave
compact plover
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@verbal shale I have a bunch of sensors and bulbs that I want to put on it right away, so I think i will cross that limit immediately. I wonder if I can just ebay it 😛

verbal shale
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no

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you need to buy from official source

spice kelp
compact plover
spice kelp
verbal shale
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oh, I did sell mine for 20$ with tasmota on it

indigo sigil
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Hi everyone, need recommendation on which device should i pick for my coordinator/router . I need it to be use on my 5000sqft house which i think it is large and most of my device would be zigbee. I have seen that Sleash and Electro would be good choices but both of them have their own issue with stock and shipments so i have though of going for Conbee II would it be a good choice with zigbee2mqtt?

sour shadow
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No, it's not

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Any CC2652 stick is a good choice. Anything experimental isn't 😉

gentle fern
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Hi all. Anyone had any issues with devices disconnecting since the latest update?

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I've got a Sonoff ZBBridge that until now has been rock solid but all of a sudden a load of devices have decided to start disconnecting

desert cloak
indigo sigil
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i just look into for CC2652 , it seems like hot stuff. It has been out of stock all over the place wow!

austere patio
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Could also get a LAUNCHXL-CC1352P-2 or a LAUNCHXL-CC26X2R1 for a little extra if you don't mind the form factor

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They're usually always in stock at the major online electronics distributors

stone halo
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Okay anyway, looking into getting myself some more bulbs, tradfri ones or the Lidl smart home ones, want them to have at least wwcw and optionally rgb

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Lidl ones cost way less tho

sour shadow
stone halo
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I heard Lidl ones are not great at yellow tints tho

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Is it bad?

stone halo
sour shadow
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Loooong wait there

simple sentinel
indigo sigil
sour shadow
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Different methods

indigo sigil
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thanks @sour shadow

austere patio
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You don't need additional hardware

stone halo
obsidian sandalBOT
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stone halo
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Omg

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I hate discord

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Is there a setting for this

sour shadow
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Nope

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We all hate it too

stone halo
sour shadow
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Yes, they should...

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There's been no small amount of feedback

stone halo
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++

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I use a slaesh stick for literally 2 hue play bars talking about overkill

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Both are routers lol

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That's why I should add some lamps

indigo sigil
sour shadow
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That one is network connected, not USB connected

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Which can be handy if your Z2M/HA host isn't sensibly located

indigo sigil
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oh okay make sense , it is used for those with VM enviroment too?

sour shadow
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That yes, and more

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It gives you more flexibility

indigo sigil
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awesome! then maybe i'll take the round one to stuck it on my VM USB port and the box sized one for further range like in my kitchen ?

molten linden
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Hi. can only use one coordinator per network.

indigo sigil
molten linden
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for range add routers/repeaters

sour shadow
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And he also sells those 😉

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A friend gifted me one, and it works nicely

simple sentinel
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Benefit of buying from tube. he is standing RIGHT BEHIND YOU

indigo sigil
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thats awesome!

molten linden
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but if you order 2 coordinators I'll ship 🤣

indigo sigil
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i guess i'll go with the box one and routers from tube. i heard that aqara routers might not go well with other zigbee devices tho. Well in my country aqara is easily to get than other devices

daring meadow
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I don't see any breaking changes with zigbee, light or scenes this release, but I've hit a fun bug/change of behaviour. I have a QV-RGBCCT Quotra-Vision LED strip. Weirdly my simple trigger has stopped working.

Oddly my simple Scenes (https://github.com/mikeodr/Home-AssistantConfig/blob/master/packages/nursery.yaml#L7-L21) no longer work. I have to add in a minimum transition of transition: 2 before the light actual turns on now.

Could there be an underlying library for zigbee I need to dig into?

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Specifying transition: 0 or transition: 1 causes the same behaviour as if I didn't add in the transition stanza either, light doesn't turn on.

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Specifically using the ZHA integration.

ripe hinge
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in case anyone was following my issues over the weekend, moving a hue light over to help with the signal seemed like it made a huge difference. 100% availability and near-perfect responsiveness since yesterday afternoon.

tropic depot
daring meadow
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Can do @tropic depot

last ruin
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The IKEA trådfri repeater power plug says max output 1A 5W. That's not much these days. Would it work to just use the repeater part on a 2A charger? The repater part just says Input: 5V.

ocean timber
last ruin
ocean timber
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Good to know - You should be able to plug it into any USB socket then.

last ruin
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But how do I know it can handle 2A when the power plug it comes with is only 1A?

ocean timber
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Ah - See your point now

simple sentinel
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repeater is probably going to bottleneck you at 5W still

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5v x 1A = 5W

last ruin
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But if power plug is 2A, then 5v x 2A = 10W? :p

ocean timber
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Power limit is probably in the USB power side though not the repeater. Repeater should only act like a cable

simple sentinel
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that would be 10W, but I don't think it's a coincidence that the base only does 1A

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guess work

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of course

last ruin
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And why else would IKEA make it into two parts?

simple sentinel
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go do the science

ocean timber
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Simple test is to measure the continuity of the USB connection through the device - if it is zero ohms then it will supply whatever the USB power device can deliver

simple sentinel
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what's the end game here, to use the repeater usb port for charging of things?

last ruin
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Yeah

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I actually have a usb current/amps measure tool here. I plugged the receiver onto a 1,5A plug and the tool says it's charging my phone at 1,5A

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Now I tried a charger with output 9V 1,67 A OR 5V 2A. I got 9V 1 Amps from that through the repeater

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Does that mean I can safely use any power plug on it?

ocean timber
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USB current control is fail safe anyway and must be in the plug side

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Ah - you might have a problem if the USB power side outputs more than 5V

simple sentinel
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haha, would you believe I did the same thing?
charging an ipad through a 2.5A charger -> USB monitoring thingy -> repeater

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ipad is pulling 2 amps

last ruin
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Did you try without the repeater?

simple sentinel
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to see if it was a bottleneck?
Can do

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without the repeater it's more consistently above 2 amps. It was bobbing down to 1.9xxx with the repeater in the middle

ocean timber
simple sentinel
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not unreasonable

ocean timber
simple sentinel
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at 0.1A that's 0,5W or so

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Yeah they are probably the same as the buttons that come with the window covers

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but with stickers

clear sleet
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Maybe I posted this at the wrong #channel Just bought myself a powerstrip HG06338 (SilverCrest) Added it on my IKEA gw, but it only shows one of the powerplugs, found this post ( https://community.home-assistant.io/t/silvercrest-lidl-smarthome/243561/62 ): where they use zigbee2mqtt to fix this issue, is there any similar way to do this in home assistant? As I figured zigbee2mqtt using a zigbee controller and cant be used with my ikea gateway. Problem is that it only exposes one of the powerpluggs, so I can only turn one of them on/off and there is 3 of them

ocean timber
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Might be best to throw out the IKEA gateway and get a ConBee II or RaspBee II. My preferred solution is RaspBee II

clear sleet
austere patio
# clear sleet Oh well I'm not looking to deconstruct any trådfri devices.

You don't need to take any devices apart. The IKEA gateway is just a Zigbee coordinator sitting inside of a box but you don't have access to the coordinator itself, only the IKEA software that talks to it. You get a lot more control if you buy a dedicated Zigbee coordinator (usually a USB stick) and control it directly, with ZHA or Z2M.

clear sleet
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Indeed I know that, but it's the question I asked.

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Like asking a doctor about your leg, and he suggests you get a mercedes; somewhat a fix, but not the answer to the question asked.

ocean timber
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😆

austere patio
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All of the cheap stuff with garbage manufacturer names like _TZ3000_wzauvbcs (like your power strip) is made by Tuya. Their devices intentionally do not follow the Zigbee spec and unless IKEA decides to put in the effort to specifically support Tuya's "Zigbee", you're out of luck.

clear sleet
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Have a few tuya devices flashed with esphome, among best working shit I got home

austere patio
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I'm sure the hardware works fine, it's the Zigbee firmware they wrote that's a pain to support

clear sleet
ocean timber
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Did you try the Hue Essentials app with the Tradfri gateway?

clear sleet
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Yupp, worked without any hitch

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have about 40 devices on the ikea gw, about 80 zwave devices, uncountable 443

ocean timber
clear sleet
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Well I use integration with ha and strips

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did not show up while pairing

ocean timber
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Hue Essentials allows you to use touch pairing as well (ZigBee device physically on top of gateway)

clear sleet
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bought 4 of these strips to replace some old tech, see if I get em working like I want

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allready running 3 instaces of ha, like to avoid getting more hardware

ocean timber
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I seem to remember that they are temperamental about pairing - I tried with RaspBee II and only one socket showed up the first time - went back to pairing mode and the rest showed up

clear sleet
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Well I didn't try re-paring, might give that a go

ocean timber
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I have found a few times that multiple attempts work in the end

clear sleet
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but I found on google this is an actual issue

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and most ppl used zigbee2mqtt to get it working

molten linden
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With Ikea Gateway, you will only get working what Ikea wants and maybe some devices that strictly follow the zigbee spec (ie not most Tuya).

ocean timber
molten linden
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if you want to support more devices you will need a more open solution like z2m or zha

ocean timber
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Easy to end up with as much unused stuff in a cupboard than home automation stuff in use.

austere patio
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But if the IKEA gateway doesn't work (and likely will never work) with the hardware, I don't think migrating the gateway to the cupboard is such a bad idea

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The other sticks cost about as much as the IKEA gateway so if you're within the return window for the gateway, it's a simple hardware swap

ocean timber
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That's where mine is

ocean timber
dim shard
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@austere patio, about that question migrating from Raspbee to Conbee from this weekend. I changed that file you mentioned, and backed up/restord the config in the Phoscon App. It works like a damn charm.

austere patio
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Awesome!

dim shard
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All my lights are seen. They're just not responding right now. But that should be a relatively easy fix.

austere patio
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Try power cycling them

dim shard
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Oh, wait. They are responding. The entities are simply not updating 😂

clear sleet
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Re-paired it 2 times, does not give more sockets :/

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Main fear is that it's so many devices to move to new platform, and that fact that it will render that gw useless.

austere patio
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It's possible to migrate networks if you use some extra $4 hardware (since your gateway doesn't expose any network parameters)

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The entities and how the devices behave will require a bit of work, though

clear sleet
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Might aswell just return the sockets, too much work

austere patio
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If you get more spec-compliant (Zigbee 3.0) ones, they should work with your gateway

clear sleet
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these are 3.0

austere patio
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Well, Tuya Zigbee 3.0. The certification makes sure the device "works" with other Zigbee devices, not that it functions as intended.

clear sleet
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So what hardware do I need to get?

clear sleet
ocean timber
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So frustrating

austere patio
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If you want to attempt migrating your network from the Tradfri gateway (70% chance it'll work) and have some experience with flashing firmware and such, you'd need a Zigbee sniffer so you can capture the network key and other info as a device re-joins. EZSP coordinators can act as a sniffer but don't work well with Z2M, if that's what you want to use. TI coordinators can as well but you need extra hardware to flash the firmware to them so it's easiest to get another cheap dongle like the CC2531 or a nRF52840.

clear sleet
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did some calculations and roughtly 100 euros for hardware+ 40h before it works

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so best solution for me is to return the strips 🙂

dim shard
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Yay. I'm fully over to Proxmox. Holy hell, it's a fuckton faster than the RPi. And all my Zigbee devices work perfectly as well (thank you Puddly!!!).

plush smelt
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So, all zigbee switches in the house are not working. Zigbee lights/plugs can be operated. Listening to deconz_events results in correct events coming in but my automations don't seem to work. Any ideas? Errors in the log:

serene viper
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Hey Everyone, how do I go about setting up ZHA quirks? new to Zigbee eco system as I’m moving away from z-wave. I’m running Hassio on pi4. Any help is greatly appreciated

austere patio
serene viper
austere patio
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You have to be in the Home Assistant docker container to edit them

serene viper
austere patio
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If you're running the Home Assistant OS, it uses Docker internally

serene viper
austere patio
dusky hill
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What’s the best way to setup hue bulbs? connect to zigbee hub or hue bridge?

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Using z2m

sour shadow
# dusky hill Using z2m

Well, if you're using Z2M then you don't connect them to the Hue bridge - otherwise you can't use them from Z2M. The bridge forms it's own mesh network, completely unrelated to your Z2M mesh, and possibly even interfering with it. Better to turn it off and put it in a drawer/sell it to somebody

teal rock
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Hi!
I have problem with my deconz/homeassistant setup.
Just one day it stopped working.

I can see the devices and their states in HA, deconz and in phoscon. But when I change state nothing happens. I can see in deconz that the device blinks red than blue.

If i push a device/reboot a device for example a light bulb, I also see in deconz that the device blinks red than blue.

What could possible be wrong?

sour shadow
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If you operate the device directly from phoscon/deconz does it work?

teal rock
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No, but I can see the red light blink in deconz

sour shadow
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If it doesn't work in deCONZ then it's a deCONZ side problem, have you tried asking for help in their Discord?

obsidian sandalBOT
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deCONZ by dresden elektronik is a software that communicates with ConBee/RaspBee Zigbee gateways and exposes Zigbee devices that are connected to the gateway. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

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teal rock
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No I have not. Thank you for the advice

simple sentinel
sour shadow
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What is?

frosty harness
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Hi! I hope this isn't too off topic here, but I have a question related to IKEA Tradferi Switches (those with only on/off) and zha.

I bought those about 8 months ago and had them connected to HA for quite some time. Battery went quite fast from initially 80% to 30% about two weeks ago and then they stopped working. A few days later they were completely disconnected. Now I got new batteries, but I can't get them to reconnect to HA. Is there any way to fix this beside resetting the buttons and pair them again? I don't want to throw away all those things I have assigned to the buttons inside HA 😦

jolly narwhal
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I've had one of those for close to 6 months

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still no mention of battery dropping

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but I'm using zigbee2mqtt and have a huge mesh

fallow warren
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Is zigbee faster than wifi? My options are either:

a) Directly connected cc2531 to HA OS z2m addon with a mesh with 2 ikea repeaters and 15 ish bulbs (i use this atm)

b) Use a 2631 in a raspberryb pi running z2m to the HA OS Mqtt broker, the pi would communicate with HA OS over wifi

simple sentinel
jolly narwhal
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@fallow warren the 2531 is horrible in terms of performance and stability, there is no 2631, I see no discernable difference between zigbee and wifi, both are instantanious, but mesh > direct devices

fallow warren
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Ok i meant the zzh forgot the name

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I think ill go with b) then

jolly narwhal
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2652r then I guess

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also, wifi connected servers is... horrible

fallow warren
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my server is on lan haha but the pi would communicate to the AP over wifi

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from there is cabled ofc

jolly narwhal
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if it is running zigbee2mqtt it would be considered a server imo

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and very essential

fallow warren
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oh i see

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I guess I could get it on cable yes

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just need to buy an extra switch

sour shadow
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WiFi is on the same frequency as Zigbee - if you've got a device doing both Zigbee and WiFi even if the channels are different there will be interference

fallow warren
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oh then its a nobrainer

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thanks both

jolly narwhal
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extra switch, you don't have edge switches around the house ?

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and a core in the dc?

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😄

fallow warren
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lol yep but its full

jolly narwhal
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pssh, minimum 24 ports everywhere

fallow warren
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lol prefer fanless inside the apartment

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in the dc its a blasting cisco 48 port

jolly narwhal
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cisco 🤢

sour shadow
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Is that a mis-spelt Crisco 😛

jolly narwhal
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I actually had to google that

fresh citrus
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I have a few remotes that don't want to Bind the group in ZHA (Conbee II).
Some of the work but i have 2-3 of the same model that wont. I've tried "Unbind" on the same group but no luck. Am i missing something?

novel crown
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has anyone here developed there own zigbee devices including custom PCB design? I am considering doing a a plant monitor device, as all on the market are not really satisfying

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what I was wondering is how one get a manfucature id for the use in zigbee. So far it seems to me that one can just choose one that isn't in use

jolly narwhal
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The BLE ones are supposedly good

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and easy to integrate

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I build my own ESP attached ones that go via my greenhouse controller

novel crown
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I would prefer a zigbee solution tho, as I have a good network here and it is already low energy consumption. My plan was to use the readily available capacitive moisture sensor and design a pcb that just clicks onto the JST connection of those. Design a little housing and 3d print it. Idea is that I can just swap the capacitive moisture sensor if it corrodes without having to replace the entire hardware

thick plover
jolly narwhal
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8 ports are great, for my workdesk, with different vlans coming out for testing 🤣

thick plover
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im a prosumer 😄

jolly narwhal
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oh, a non network experienced person who buys overpriced non useful hardware you say 😄

thick plover
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or more like consoomer

thick plover
jolly narwhal
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🤢

thick plover
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it plugs in and it works

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i am a little tech savvy (obviosuly anyone into HA is), but I don't have the depth of knowledge to bother going beyond the basics with networking

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on the upside, my z2m stick should arrive tomorrow 😄

jolly narwhal
thick plover
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then you can all 🥣 me

jolly narwhal
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Reminds me, I should order a zzh next time they come in stock

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so I have a spare coordinator

thick plover
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zzh, thats the one I got

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do you need to flash them when they're brand new?

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also, with regards to mounting the zza stick, I run HAOS in a VirtualBox VM, any clues how I would go about that?

jolly narwhal
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I think you need to flash them, not sure

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Also, that is almost the worst way to run HA and zigbee2mqtt

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I recommend running Z2M on a seperate centralized device, using linux + docker

thick plover
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I do have a Pi4 sitting in the cupboard

jolly narwhal
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virtualbox is a horrible hypervisor and almost always means its running on a "desktop" system

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and HAOS is, eh

thick plover
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ah its running on my windows server

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which is a glorified NAS

jolly narwhal
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Unless you need device passthrough hyper-v is a better choice, if you must run windows

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also, if it is a nas \ virtualization server, run debian + kvm + docker + whatever you need, or just run truenas scale

thick plover
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went down the rabbit hole of running debian on it... the network nic isn't supported 😦

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spent two weeks trying to make it work before saying f*** it and going to windows

thick plover
jolly narwhal
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z2m is made to be a decoupled system

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running it in an addon on a horrible hypervisor with a locked down appliance that dictates your versions of software

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that's a no from me

zenith cosmos
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How much latency do you guys have with zigbee? I am using an ikea roller blind (fyrtur) together with zha. When i press the ikea button it takes arround 2-3 sec until the roller starts moving. This is quite annoying. Is this normal?

jolly narwhal
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none

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lights are on before I finish opening a door

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I can barely see them come on in the crack of the door

sour shadow
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Is the latency at the blind though, or at the remote, or at ZHA...

zenith cosmos
sour shadow
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And how about any other device?

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It already sounds like it's either the device or ZHA

zenith cosmos
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I dont have any other devices beside the blind

sour shadow
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What coordinator?

zenith cosmos
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I use a raspberry pi with the HA operating system. There i have a conbee stick connected

sour shadow
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The Conbee doesn't usually suck that much, so at this point if that's a Pi3 or better I'd be suspecting the blind

molten linden
zenith cosmos
molten linden
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that looks like the path you would want. can't really suggest more beyond that. that issue I linked is pretty long so there might be some more info there.

still rapids
thick plover
thick plover
still rapids
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I've tried the normal xiaomi pairing but it isn't foun

desert cloak
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Probably in the same way as other xiaomi sensors. Ie. Press and hold the reset button on the device for +- 5 seconds (until the blue light starts blinking). After this the device will automatically join. If this doesn’t work, try with a single short button press.

desert cloak
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Can you pair other devices? What stick you are using as coordinator? And how far away you are from the nearest router ?

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With vibration sensor changing the parameters it was a little tricky. But have not had any problems pairing any of my xiaomi sensors this far.

still rapids
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Thanks - I will try again. Its a CC2531 - and I'm pretty close - 3m or less. I'll try pressing every 2 secs as I didn't do that

elfin coral
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Trying to hunt down a Zigbee module that takes 1 or 2 inputs to monitor contacts from an external switch. Looking for some ideas. I could easily DIY this with a ESP8266, but looking for something less DIY this time around. Also trying to avoid Zwave if possible

jolly narwhal
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@still rapids without additional routers the cc2531 is basically a paperweight

desert cloak
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I used to have cc2531 with over fifty devices working quite ok, but some times it went to a state no new devices could be added until it was completely removed and reinserted among with stopping and starting z2m. However the already paired devices worked.
That’s why I asked if you can add other devices. Might be that your cc2531 and z2m are in a similar state.

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Still I am glad that I updated to the slaesh stick. Over 120 devices without any issues whatsoever.

daring meadow
ocean timber
ocean timber
ocean timber
elfin coral
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My plan B has always been a ESP board running ESPhome, but hoped there may be an product already that could do it

ocean timber
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ZigBee modules are really intended for OEMs

elfin coral
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I think using the word module was a poor choice on my part... was looking for a zigbee device I guess, not the module i.e. like an Aqara device

sour shadow
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Have you looked through the lists of known working hardware?

ocean timber
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Can't recall ever seeing a ZigBee I/O device

elfin coral
ocean timber
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Shelly Uni is an option

elfin coral
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So I was looking at Shelly earlier, but didn't see the Uni, checking there too 🙂 Thank you !

ocean timber
elfin coral
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So I think I overthought my searches earlier, was looking for just "Zigbee input sensor" etc. Didn't think IO which in retrospect was pretty foolish

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Looks like the Develco is a bit too new for the database for devices

ocean timber
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There is also the Shelly I3

elfin coral
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Dec 2020 for certification

ocean timber
elfin coral
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Looks like about 45 Euros for that one from their sample shop

ocean timber
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Shelly is cheaper by far

elfin coral
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Agreed, I think I may check out the Shelly Uni, thank you very much for the help 🙂

ocean timber
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You may also be able to flash the Uni with ESPHome - not seen anyone do it though

elfin coral
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Wow Shelly has expanded a lot since last I looked, but a bit OT for this channel

plush smelt
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So, all zigbee switches in the house are not working. Zigbee lights/plugs can be operated. Listening to deconz_events results in correct events coming in but my automations don't seem to work. Any ideas? Errors in the log:
https://ibb.co/Cnkbggq
https://ibb.co/sVknjF1

That was yesterday, it suddenly started working again, but now, again, the switches aren't working

serene viper
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Hey Everyone, I see this warning in my logs for Wyze door lock zhaquirks. The events are being captured and everything works as expected but I’m too curious about this warning. 2021-04-13 15:10:13 WARNING (MainThread) [zigpy.zcl] [0x7cbd:1:0xfc00] Unknown cluster-specific command 0

austere patio
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All of the processing seems to be done in handle_message so you can ignore it

serene viper
prime turtle
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Hey Community! 🙂 I just got my conbee2 attached to my synology nas and added the ZHA integration. Now I'm trying to setup my first devices, but all I see is a spinner and Searching for ZHA Zigbee devices... and a debug message saying [0x0000:zdo] ZDO request ZDOCmd.Mgmt_Permit_Joining_req: [60, <Bool.false: 0>]. In the logs, there are some promising entries suggesting that at least the radio is working:

2021-04-13 22:37:18 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy_deconz.api] Command Command.write_parameter (5, <NetworkParameter.watchdog_ttl: 38>, b'X\x02\x00\x00')
2021-04-13 22:37:18 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy_deconz.uart] Send: 0x0b32000c0005002658020000
2021-04-13 22:37:18 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy_deconz.uart] Frame received: 0x0b32000800010026
2021-04-13 22:37:18 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy_deconz.api] Write parameter watchdog_ttl: SUCCESS

But still no devices are showing up. I should mention that I am not using an USB extension chord.
Am I doing something wrong? Cheers!

gentle flint
gentle flint
gentle flint
gentle flint
ocean timber
thick plover
ocean timber
thick plover
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how does it then integrate to HA?

ocean timber
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Using Deconz Integration. Slightly confusing naming as there is a stand-alone SW called Deconz that runs on the RPI and also the integration and SW for Home Assistant is named Deconz

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The Deconz on the RPi has an API that can be used by HA

wanton bobcat
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Hey ya'll. All the sudden I cannot access zigbee2mqtt in HA (I get 502 Bad Gateway). It was working fine however....the logs show a couple things, listed in the Paste below but I feel like the key one is [supervisor.api.ingress] Ingress error: Cannot connect to host 172.30.33.7:8099 ssl:default [Connect call failed ('172.30.33.7', 8099)]

The logs show: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sWcBjwFfMb/

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I have rebooted, powered off entirely and left off for ~5 minutes, unplugged the dongle and left it unplugged for ~30 seconds, then put back in. Any other ideas here?

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Weird...I think it is the USB cable.

thick plover
wanton bobcat
ocean timber
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Not sure if Deconz works with third-party devices. I am using RaspBee II.

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You can use a ZigBee to MQTT gateway on a RPI

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ConBee II also works with Deconz as it is aso from the same manufacturer

jolly narwhal
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@thick plover or Zigbee2mqtt, and that talks to ha via mqtt

wanton bobcat
sour shadow
ocean timber
jolly narwhal
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No idea, most users I see with deconz come here for help to migrating to other platforms

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🤣

sour shadow
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And by "lose" it you mean... use the tools that other platforms bring 😉

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That said, I'm not sure what it brings that makes it so good - what can it do that others can't?

ocean timber
sour shadow
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Sure

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I do it in Z2M all the time

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Change how often something reports, change the defaults where the device has support for those, and so on

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here's one of my lights for instance, where I can change the colour temperature default

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ocean timber
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Ah - so you can edit the cluster info - Interesting

sour shadow
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You can also change the device's reporting settings, binding, group membership, etc etc etc

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None of this is deCONZ specific

ocean timber
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I had missed that. Obviously all part of ZigBee 3.0 standard but I hadn't seem the UI access elsewhere.
Something else to checkout 👀

sour shadow
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I'm pretty sure ZHA has the capability too - I'm just not sure how much is in the UI vs commands you can send with services

ocean timber
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Deconz is all in the UI but I assume doing the same thing and you still need to exactly understand what you are doing. More of a 'beauty contest'

jolly narwhal
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Zigbee2mqtt was all commands, now it has a great ui

novel crown
jolly narwhal
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I use those in my greenhouse, I coated the electronics with spray plastic

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they worked through all of last season (5 months of watering from above every 3 hours)

ocean timber
jolly narwhal
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And the great thing about zigbee2mqtt, if the device isn't supported, you can just add it yourself

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based on similar devices

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don't have to wait for a future release with a new device support

solid inlet
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What do I need to do to see devices connected via deConz in HASSOS ? I have tried restart, no joy...

sour shadow
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Did you add and configure the deCONZ integration?

solid inlet
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I belive I did. I selected the ConBee stick there

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I can see deConz as a device, but not the devices I have added

sour shadow
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There's the deCONZ software (which you probably installed as an add-on), and the integration so HA can talk to it

solid inlet
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Ah... I have only added the deConz add-on! I have now also configured the integration. Thanks for the hint! 🙂

compact plover
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I ordered a zzh! CC2652R Multiprotocol RF Stick

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that's the right thing, isn't it?

jolly narwhal
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Is it in stock ? ooh

compact plover
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at least 1 was!

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has anyone used the ikea motion sensors? I tried to pair one yesterday with my Hue hub because I'm impatient, and it seemed to take one of my other lights out of action

jolly narwhal
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Noice, I've ordered a zzh too

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I need a backup for my cc1352p2 just in case

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I have 5 ikea motion sensors in a box in the basement

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because they are rubbish

compact plover
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I read somewhere that they had improved them recently in firmware, but I see no evidence of that

jolly narwhal
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I think they released a new hardware version actually

compact plover
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ah

jolly narwhal
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the xiaomi ones have been so good to me I probably won't buy anything else

compact plover
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do you double them up in an area?

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I occasionally get mine not triggering but I only use one per room (xiaomi aqara)

jolly narwhal
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I haven't had any not cover a whole room

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only place I have two in tandem is in my attic stairs \ attic living room

compact plover
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and yours are connected via mqtt?

jolly narwhal
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zigbee2mqtt yes

compact plover
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interesting, maybe I should stop looking for alternatives and just go all in xiaomi

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do you use any of their other sensors with the same results?

jolly narwhal
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I use xiaomi motion, door, buttons, light, smoke, temperature

sour shadow
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I've got the Konke sensors - they a bit of a PITA, but as good as the Xiaomi ones, and maybe a little better

jolly narwhal
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all great

sour shadow
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I haven't found anything to beat the Xiaomi light sensors - they're at least as good as my way more expensive Z-Wave ones 😄

compact plover
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sounds fab

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has anybody seen/used a particle sensor in that range?

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I am hoping to trigger ventilation in my workshop based on wood dust in the air

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it's not strictly necesssary as I can just trigger it from tool usage instead but I'd like to track the air particles in HA anyway

jolly narwhal
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I should have one in my office based on farts

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atleast if you ask my wife

compact plover
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hah

solid inlet
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While adding devices to deConz, I notice a "Unnamed device <unknown> <unknown> deCONZ -". How can this be removed?

sour shadow
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As you seeing that in deCONZ, or in HA?

solid inlet
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Also, a Philips Daylight sensor was discovered, PHDL00.. I have no such thing...

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@sour shadow in HA

sour shadow
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configuration -> Devices

solid inlet
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yes

sour shadow
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Some you can delete, some you can just disable

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If there's no delete, look in the top right at the cogsred

solid inlet
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Aha. Not a biggie, just curious, thanks

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@sour shadow Hm... Was a bit quick... There are no cog for that one either...

sour shadow
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You don't have to tag me @solid inlet

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And there is, always, in the top right

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Over there

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solid inlet
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Sorry, will not tag you then. But no, I'm sorry, that cog is missing...

sour shadow
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That's possibly a browser problem then shrug

solid inlet
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Tried both Firefox and Brave

sour shadow
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Try Chrome/Chromium

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Make sure you've disabled any ad blocker

solid inlet
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That is possible, and as said, this is really a minor thing. Thanks 🙂

ivory hound
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@sour shadow you were right, Philips motion sensors are nice idd

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i have the same browser issues for this discord server

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so something is definitely up

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other servers work ok on Firefox, but not this one, not on desktop

compact plover
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@ivory hound are the hue ones working well then?

ivory hound
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yes, hue sensor is great

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is exactly like samjin one {smartthings motion v3}

compact plover
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no experince of those directly, but does it send a motion then corresponding no motion event or just lots of motion events?

thick plover
ivory hound
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they send motion on and off

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philips ones you can are occupancy timeout

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anyway in my opinion samjin smartthings are verry good and I want to add stay away from lidl motion sensor is shit

forest cobalt
subtle roost
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Hi, has anyone experienced having light groups and individual lights randomly reporting being on, while they are in fact off. I use a conbee ii through deconz. It’s constantly happening, I tried rebooting, re adding the lights, without success.

thick plover
ivory hound
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that's good

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but most motion sensors are binary sensors

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they send, on and off

thick plover
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ok, hows occupancy timeout w ork?

forest cobalt
thick plover
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Haha I mean, how does it work as in - what is occupancy timeout?

forest cobalt
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Derp (it's early still lol)... It is basically a debounce method; The greater the timeout value, the longer it will take to re-trigger on motion. With a 30 second timeout, the sensor waits 30 seconds before re-sending a motion event after the most recent one.

thick plover
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Still a bit confused (I’m a little bit retarded) - essentially it will wait a set amount of time before looking for motion again?

jolly narwhal
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before "de-triggering"

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occupancy == sensor is convinced there is occupancy

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x amount of time before resetting to no occupancy unless triggered again

grand moon
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anybody know of any RGB BR40 lights? can't seem to find any

forest cobalt
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I've not seen any zigbee BR40s (RGB or white). I did find some WiFi BR40s a few years ago, but haven't even found those lately. The closest I can find that comparable in size to the BR40 is the PAR38, but the PAR38s have a narrower field of light and I can't ever find them in a zigbee RGB variation; Only white. The only RGB PAR38s I've found are WiFi only.

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Are you looking for recessed lights?

grand moon
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yeah my new house they just setup BR40 cans everywhere

forest cobalt
grand moon
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i suppose i could just redo the cans

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i do plan to die in the house

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hopefully

forest cobalt
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LOL true. I added mine, so I specifically went with air-gapped 6" retrofits. I think they were something like ~$7.00/can?

grand moon
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not terrible

forest cobalt
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Nope. I put in 8 cans, each with a Wiz recessed kit. Total cost was ~$180.

fresh citrus
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Can i invert the position of IKEA blinds in ZHA? Now 0 means closed and 100 means opened. I'd like it to be the other way around.

austere patio
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Probably needs a quirk

amber gull
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Hack it with a template cover?

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I ran almost all my covers through template -- just has a lot of benefits. Like I have the garage doors join together in a template and do some checking so if you try to open the doors and they are already open the relay won't fire and actually close the doors.

fresh citrus
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Yeah i have another blind stuck at opening. Guess i have to set state based on position value there.

ivory hound
sour shadow
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I get that with various sources, it just means the source is corrupt

ivory hound
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any idea how to update it from local folder?

sour shadow
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I don't know I'm afraid

novel crown
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you can download the .ota file. Upload it in the folder you specified in the manual ota and trigger the update with a cluster commadn

ivory hound
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@novel crown care to elaborate?

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i use z2m

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i have the ota

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dont know about any manual ota folder in z2m

novel crown
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sorry, had zha in my mind. In theory it should work kinda the same, but I can't find where z2m stores the .ota files before applying the update

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what z2m version are you running?

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some people say that upgrade Zigbee2mqtt 1.18.2 fixed there issue of a wrong checksum

opaque locust
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@tropic depot I was looking through the zibee specs you once linked to, and I saw the DisableLocalConfig attribute. Do you have any experience using that? From the pdf it's not entirely clear if it only disables hw buttons or if it would disable the near field quick pairing thing as well.

ivory hound
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i have no idea why :latest tag did not download that version

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is the 3rd time for me where a latest tag fail to pull latest images

marsh kayak
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Hello, I’m having issues connecting some Zigbee Sonoff sensors to my Conbee II. I’ve got Deconz working, but when I try to pair the sensors don’t get detected. Anyone have any ideas?

ivory hound
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i got one

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not kidding

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dich deconz

marsh kayak
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Do you have a recommendation for a different integration?

ivory hound
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ha 1.18.2 seem to work @novel crown thanks man

opaque locust
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I was trying to pair an ikea on/off button with zha, I held in the pairing button on the \back, expecting to see it in the zha pairing interface but what happened instead was that a lamp that was already paired in the existing mesh, started to blink. That lamp was now paired with the ikea switch. It also LOST the pairing with the zha mesh. The switch wasn't even close to the lamp. Is that supposed to be possible?

ivory hound
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@marsh kayak ZHA or zigbee2mqtt

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any will do perfect

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and dont use conbee stick with them

marsh kayak
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What bridge should I get instead?

opaque locust
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It wasn't even an ikea light.

ivory hound
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for zigbee2mqtt you have recomended ones

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for zha personally i'd go with elelabs elu13

opaque locust
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Shouldn't a lamp that is already paired with zha refuse to be paired with the quick pairing protocol?

marsh kayak
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I’ll look into it, thanks alot!

opaque locust
novel crown
novel crown
ivory hound
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elu13 is the best

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regarding zha and conbee you dont know how great works other coordinators 🙂

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the problem with elu13 is it works only with ZHA

opaque locust
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I use a conbee too, with zha, it seems stable to me. What would I gain by switching?

novel crown
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but before we recommend him/her to go out buy a new bridge he should try the conbee with zha and see how it works for him

opaque locust
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I really like ZHA, but I think there is some kind of bug in how the devices are added compared to deconz

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With devices I've set up with ZHA you can "steal the pairing" with a device using quick pairing. I wonder if that could be avoided bu setting the right attribute while you set up a new device.

ivory hound
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i belive that enters in category of conbee issues not ZHA

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never had that issue with ZHA and elu13

opaque locust
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Have you tried?

ivory hound
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ppl usually when talk here about conbee they ask how to solve some issue 🙂

opaque locust
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If you have an ikea switch just hold the pairng button see if it will pair witha lamp that has already been paired with zha

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I suspect that deconz deactivates local configuration after it has set up a device, while zha doesn't. It's not a HW thing.

austere patio
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And ZHA doesn't implement touchlink

opaque locust
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but is touch link supposed to be available even after a device has been paired with something?

austere patio
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I believe Hue bulbs can't easily be reset without it

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So yes

opaque locust
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there is an attribute that you can set that is called disable_local_config

austere patio
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On the touchlink cluster?

opaque locust
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it's not being set by ZHA when you pair it

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no, basic cluster

austere patio
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Have you tried setting it?

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The spec is massive so there very well may be a way to disable it

opaque locust
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I've looked at the specs it's not quite clear

austere patio
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That is also a feature of the Zigbee specs

opaque locust
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but I know when I used deconz this never happened

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so my guess is that deconnz sets that buit

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*bit

austere patio
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ZHA doesn't do anything other than ask the radio to ask every router on the network to permit joins

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TouchLink isn't implemented at all

opaque locust
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ok, but it can't be the case that a neigbhor holds in a pairing button and you lose a light

austere patio
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That's exactly how TouchLink works though 🤷‍♂️

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You can reset a bulb with a remote in very close physical proximity

opaque locust
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I though touch link was only supposed to work for very short fistances

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I'm talking several meters

austere patio
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So you're saying you tried joining a remote and it reset a bulb?

opaque locust
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yes

austere patio
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Which bulb?

opaque locust
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several actually, before I could see what was happening

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one philips two ikea transformers

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then I read the manual that there were two ways to pair the switch. That's beside the point. It can't be the case that someone that easy can make you lose pairings

austere patio
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That's baked into the firmware running on the device, unfortunately. They "authenticate" based on the signal strength. Different devices have a different threshold. I found some of my cheap bulbs can be TouchLink identified from across the room with a strong enough radio.

opaque locust
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yes, that's in the specs I think. Still I've never experienced a bulb that was already paired could be paired with touch link

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Have you?

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I mean, I never experienced it, before this

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I usually reset the bulb before trying to us touch link

austere patio
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I don't have any spec-compliant remotes so I've only ever tried with a separate radio

opaque locust
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I'm not sure there any zigbee products that are spec complient. They all seem to have quirks of osme form or another

austere patio
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Actually no, I take that back. I think I could only get my IKEA dimmer to identify an IKEA bulb by physically poking the lamp housing with it.

opaque locust
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I'd love to hear from someone who is not using zha, what the attribute for disable_local_config reads after pairing with their system.

austere patio
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You can directly write that attribute within ZHA to try it out

opaque locust
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I know

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I just don't want to risk losing any more lamps, testing if it works or not

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I suspect that it is the remote that decides if it should pair or not, since it is th eonly one that could see which lamp is closest (if the lamps are not in a joined mesh)

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so it's possible that it is only the on/off remote from ikea that insist that it should pair even if it is far away

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I'm guessing here

austere patio
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There is a distance from which even a radio with a power amplifier will not send a scan request "strong" enough for bulbs to reply to

opaque locust
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in my case I would say it paired within 5 meters

austere patio
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So they don't exist from the perspective of your remote

opaque locust
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aren't all request equally strong?

tropic depot
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What are you worried about losing?

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Just repair them in place

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Everything in HA will remain

opaque locust
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that's not my experience

tropic depot
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if you don’t remove the device via the UI

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everything in HA stays

opaque locust
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I've not removed anything

tropic depot
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then you should be able to just pair the devices again

opaque locust
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They just stopped responding

tropic depot
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you said that attr is on Basic?

opaque locust
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the disable_local_config is ,yes

tropic depot
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It’s optional

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Which means most devices probably don’t implement it

austere patio
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Yeah, my IKEA outlet doesn't implement it: Read attribute for: cluster_id: [0] cluster_type: [in] endpoint_id: [1] attribute: [20] manufacturer: [None] response: [None] failure: [{20: <Status.UNSUPPORTED_ATTRIBUTE: 134>}]

opaque locust
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if the integration responds with None, does it mean it's not implemented?

tropic depot
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It’s meant to disable buttons on the device

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To prevent resets

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it won’t stop touchlink

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It’s a completely separate cluster...

opaque locust
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you can disable the light in the basic cluster, that affect other clusters

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....so I assumed the disable attribute could be similar

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So you can't stop touch link pairings?

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Even so, once a touch link pairing has been made, zha can't see it anymore, which is what i mean when I say the pairing was stolen

austere patio
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TouchLink forms a new network

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And your bulb joins it

opaque locust
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but isn't that somehting that should only happen with a bulb that has been reset first?

austere patio
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No, TouchLink can perform a reset as well

opaque locust
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so I could take my remote, walk around the neighbourhood and just pair my remote with every zigbee lamp in sight

austere patio
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You'd have to walk up to the lamps but probably

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As with most protocols, ZigBee isn't as secure as it could be

opaque locust
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but does this mean a lamp should lose the old pairing?

austere patio
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Yeah, TouchLink specifically can send a reset_to_factory_new_request command

opaque locust
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the downside of convenience I guess

austere patio
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Yeah. Although I'm not sure what the threat model is for TouchLink. An attacker near your house determined to annoy you? I guess one could use it to kick devices off the network and sniff the network key when you inevitably re-join the device, but that's not unique to TouchLink.

opaque locust
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hopefully zigbee locks do not have touch link

austere patio
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No, I believe that's only via the ZLL (light link) profile, which locks shouldn't implement

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But I'm sure there's one or two out there

sterile sleet
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wow, that lower usb3 port on the pi4 is sure crap for z 🐝 and wave sticks, even when using a usb2 hub/cable

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no problems with the top one though

forest cobalt
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Yeah, the pi4 USB/Ethernet power sharing blows.

jolly narwhal
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🤢

stone halo
#

Is tradfri worth spending more on compared to Lidl smart home? Rgbcw bulb wise

forest cobalt
# stone halo Is tradfri worth spending more on compared to Lidl smart home? Rgbcw bulb wise

From what I've seen, the Lidl bulbs are basically rebranded Tuya zigbee bulbs which don't have the best color reproduction. Ikea's bulbs are only marginally better. Some people have reported that the Lidl bulbs can also be really slow to respond and have to be restarted often. So, it is a total YMMV situation. Personally, I'd go with the Ikea bulbs only because they do colors a bit better than Tuya bulbs do and seem to be slightly less flakey.

molten linden
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Yea I got some tuya bulbs from a manufacturer on alibaba and they were absolutely the worst color bulbs I’ve seen. The ewelink bulbs were better but no ota cluster so they have the best most perfect fw ever.

inland coral
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The LVWIT ones are really good, too bad tuya-convert doesn't work on them anymore, soldering them to install tasmota is super fiddly. I guess zigbee bulbs are the way to go. What's the best lightbulb product line to get for zigbee?

gentle flint
quick hare
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Is the Konke brand really 3.0? How’s the products with ZHA?

serene viper
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Planning to add a few more plugs and can’t decide whether to go with TP Link 103s or zigbee. Have ZHA and z-Wave integration currently set up with end points like door locks but no mains, so I don’t have a mesh at present. Also, have close to 20 TP link products including switches, plugs and strip. what would be your suggestion?

molten linden
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Konke they are 3.0 they work well with zha, but they require your network to be on channel 15,20 or 25 to work.

quick hare
molten linden
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correct

quick hare
#

Awesome. Thanks @molten linden ! And out of curiosity, what is your recommendation for a Temperature / humidity sensor brand that is ZigBee 3.0 compliant or at least, don’t behave annoyingly like Aqara?

molten linden
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I use konke's 😉

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with zha.

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I also have a few tuya ones, which work decently, they are 3.0 and zigbee spec unlike a lot of their other stuff.

quick hare
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Ah nice! And you can set the update trigger with ZHA?

molten linden
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the frequency of updates? I do not think so, but haven't tried/investigated either.

quick hare
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I see it’s documented to ZigBee2Mqtt. I’d like that it update the temperature at .2-.3 degree change.

molten linden
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I'll have to take a look, but it should be doable if it works there. zha you can send custom cluster commands etc.

quick hare
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In device_precision

quick hare
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You’re really selling me on Konke! 😅 and it’s cheap! I guess it’s gonna be Konke until Aqara gets their T1 out there for real.

molten linden
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looking at the entry for them in the z2m devices.js I don't see any specific converters being called that would lead me to think the config params maybe a z2m thing on it's side.

quick hare
molten linden
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no meaning it's something z2m does to filter reporting.

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I looked at an old smartthings temp/humid sensor and it has the same device type specific configuration

quick hare
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Ahhh so it would really be a parameter on the device?

molten linden
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some one who knows z2m better might know better.. but to me it looks like some filtering done by z2m so not all changes are reported out over mqtt.

quick hare
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Ahhh I see ok I get you now!

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Mhhh that would be unfortunate..

molten linden
quick hare
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I think you might be right.

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How’s the graphic then for the Konke sensor?

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Does it have some sort of debouncing?

molten linden
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there are some filter entities in HA you can set up to do debouncing and other things

quick hare
molten linden
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I use them for the weatherflow weather station as it reports every 3 secs, which is too much, so I set up some filters that drop that to like every 5 mins.

quick hare
molten linden
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I have 2 entities, but the filtered one is what goes into the db/recorder and is used for history etc.

quick hare
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3 seconds? Oh wow.

molten linden
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yea it's local over udp

quick hare
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Oh you didn’t meant the Konkes?

molten linden
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yea completely different example, sorry

quick hare
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I’m really sorry my English is not perfect. 😅

molten linden
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no worries,

quick hare
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So yeah I think I’ll try 2 temperature sensor and 1 door contact.

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From Konke

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I hope they can get new parents. The Aqara ones are so annoying to stick to their initial parent.

cerulean karma
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With Zigbee remotes, it's ok to pair in close proximity to the host unlike ZWave, right?

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IE, I don't have to pair with the remote in its final home to have a good mesh because Zigbee works it out on moving devices unlike ZWave

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Mostly curious, as it seems to work... wondering if it's all just making a direct connection to the host radio, or if it's automeshing

sour shadow
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Well, it's just like Z-Wave in that regard

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Some devices will find new parents, some won't

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Moving end devices (battery powered ones) won't break anything other than the device itself at most

cerulean karma
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Hmm... thanks for the reply. Is there a way to trigger a "heal" like in pre-ZWave JS, or does the ZHA implementation do that automaticaly?

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The ZHA config page topology shows all the lines just go to the center device, so it may just be that they're all in range of the host.

sour shadow
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I don't know if there's a Zigbee equivalent

hollow turret
#

Cross post from #integrations-archived - in case it's more suited here 🙂

Good Day everyone - I am trying to configure a zigbee 2 gang dimmer switch via MQTT Auto discovery, but I can only get it to add one switch. Here is the MQTT sent:

homeassistant/switch/0x847127FFFE11E940_2/0x847127FFFE11E940_2/config:
{"name":"Kitchen Light 1","unique_id":"0x847127FFFE11E940_2_switch","device_class": "switch", "state_topic": "tnz2ha/0x847127FFFE11E940_2/state","command_topic": "tnz2ha/cmnd/0xA3FA/state_cmd"}

homeassistant/switch/0x847127FFFE11E940_1/0x847127FFFE11E940_1/config:
{"name":"Kitchen Light 1","unique_id":"0x847127FFFE11E940_1_switch","device_class": "switch", "state_topic": "tnz2ha/0x847127FFFE11E940_1/state","command_topic": "tnz2ha/cmnd/0xA3FA/state_cmd"}

mighty river
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My zigbee coordinator adress changed (from ttyS0 to ttyAMA0), is there a way to change the adress of the ZHA integration, without losing connectivity to all the devices? xD

ivory hound
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it changed for sure u added some device to the system and restarted

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new device took adress of old one

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or

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you did a firmware upgrade and in that firmware they changed that address

ivory hound
pulsar skiff
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my zzh arrived 😄

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Is zigbee2mqt preferred or zha?

ivory hound
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it depends only on you

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de device had support first on z2mqtt

pulsar skiff
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that makes sense

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Is running MQTT more resource intensive?

ivory hound
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in my opinion ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT are both great

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and from what i understand it works on both great

pulsar skiff
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I've a pi 3B+ that... struggles at the best of times haha

ivory hound
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yah prob you want to change that

pulsar skiff
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I haven't seen any real issues yet apart from it constantly giving out that it can't draw enough power

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So I'm gonna stick with it until automations break or something similar. I don't have anything critical on it, only lights like, so not overly concerned

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I'll probably go for ZHA so 🙂

ivory hound
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go for it

gilded walrus
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Does HASS work on an intranet?

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Like not connected to any sort of network

jolly narwhal
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Depends on what components you use

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yes, if you use the right components

sour shadow
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You won't be able to update it, and the initial install requires Internet connectivity

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HAOS I think requires changes to make it work without Internet

stone halo
thick plover
#

trying to flash my zzh! stick and may need some help. it crashes the flash software about 20% into flashing...

jolly narwhal
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which software ?

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which OS ?

thick plover
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TI's Flash Programmer 2

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OS Windows

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10

jolly narwhal
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Pretty sure I used uniflash for my cc1352p2

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albeit on linux

thick plover
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its saying in the documentation that this is the only software to use on windows for the CC2652R

jolly narwhal
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`
Supported devices: CC13xx, CC25xx, CC26xx, CC3x20, CC3x30, CC3x35, Tiva, C2000, MSP43x, Hercules, PGA9xx, IWR12xx, IWR14xx, IWR16xx, IWR18xx , IWR68xx, AWR12xx, AWR14xx, AWR16xx, AWR18xx. Command line only: AM335x, AM437x, AM571x, AM572x, AM574x, AM65XX, K2G

CCS Uniflash is a standalone tool used to program on-chip flash memory on TI MCUs and on-board flash memory for Sitara processors. Uniflash has a GUI, command line, and scripting interface. CCS Uniflash is available free of charge.
`

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🤷

thick plover
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i will give it a go

sour shadow
jolly narwhal
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noice

mighty river
ivory hound
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If all is mapped correctly you should be fine

mighty river
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Thank you sir

thick plover
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Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1a86:7523 QinHeng Electronics HL-340 USB-Serial adapter - does that look like a CC2652R?

jolly narwhal
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it looks like the serial converter that is integrated in the zzh atleast

thick plover
# 
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 1a86:7523 QinHeng Electronics HL-340 USB-Serial adapter
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 2109:3431 VIA Labs, Inc. Hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
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those are all the USB devices on my Pi

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must be it

jolly narwhal
#

and if you have successfully flashed it you will see it's serial port info in either dmesg or ls -ll /dev/serial/by-id

thick plover
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python3 cc2538-bsl.py -p PORT -evw FIRMWARE - where PORT is the serial port your board is connected to

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which is the Port? 1a86:7523 ?

jolly narwhal
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see above

thick plover
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i haven't been able to flash it yet sorry

jolly narwhal
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and you have placed it in BSL mode ?

thick plover
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yep, its in BSL mode

jolly narwhal
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well, those commands will show it anyway

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guessing... dmesg will show you /dev/ttyUSB0

thick plover
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many lines to read thru 😄

jolly narwhal
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well, it should be fairly recent

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from when you plugged it in

thick plover
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yeah it does

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haha

jolly narwhal
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maybe even dmesg | grep tty will show it

thick plover
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it was in the last few lines 😄

#

so is ttyUSB0 the port?

jolly narwhal
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probably ?

mighty river
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ls /dev/*tty*

thick plover
jolly narwhal
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ohlala mr fancy 😄

thick plover
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reading this documentation though, what would FIRMWARE be in the Flash Firmware section?

jolly narwhal
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the firmware file you downloaded

sour shadow
thick plover
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managed to get to this point haha

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being a zip, i should dl and extract it first tho yes?

jolly narwhal
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yes

thick plover
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we got there lads

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well done

#

and in setup, the MQTT server should be 'mqqt://IPADDRESS' ?

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as in the IP of the server?

jolly narwhal
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or hostname

thick plover
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has localhost as default

jolly narwhal
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the machine running the mqtt server

thick plover
# 
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-04-15 23:13:13: Not connected to MQTT server!

😿

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will try with just localhost

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nada

jolly narwhal
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well

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is the mqtt broker running

thick plover
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it will be when I install it. sorry guys - been a long week - should really do this in daytime hours

jolly narwhal
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It's 15:20!

thick plover
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its 2322 here, i am a broken man

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i have had enough of government bureaucrats for one week - and have to deal with them again tomorrow :/

#

To pair a device, is it as simple as just putting the device in pairing mode and it automatically joins?

jolly narwhal
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if z2m is allowing joins

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yes

sour shadow
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Click the magic button in the Z2M UI, follow the docs for that device, watch the device appear

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After you get sleep

thick plover
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just wanna pair one little sensor.... 😄

#

last one, is there some sort of black magic involved in getting the UI to work?

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have opened the port etc on the pi, just cannot connect

sour shadow
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Did you enable the UI?

thick plover
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yep

sour shadow
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Does Z2M's logs show it as being opened?

thick plover
# 
  # Optional, default 8080
  port: 8080
  # Optional, default 0.0.0.0
  host: 192.168.1.65
  # Optional, enables authentication, disabled by default
  auth_token: xxxxxx```
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how do i check the logs?

sour shadow
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Look in the log folder?

thick plover
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😄

sour shadow
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Also, that will only listen on that IP, not on any other IP that host has

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Your log should have a line like

info  2021-04-06 12:26:42: Started frontend on port 0.0.0.0:8080
thick plover
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i realised that I didn't install anything as a docker container. that is enough sillyness for today. thanks for the help chaps, should be easy tomorrow when I start over ;D

sweet fossil
#

I must be missing something obvious, but I can't find it...

trigger:
  - platform: homeassistant
    event: start
action:
  - service: deconz.configure
    data:
      entity: binary_sensor.presence_3
      field: /config
      data:
        duration: 5```


Gives me this error `'NoneType' object has no attribute 'deconz_ids'` in the trace timeline
amber gull
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Does your service call work normally/interactively?

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Has deconz fully initialized when homeassistant start event fires?

hollow turret
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At least, for "switch" that is

ivory hound
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glad you sort it out

sweet fossil
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@amber gull I managed to figure it out, I had two gateways in my integrations list and the one that was/is marked as master has no devices, not sure where it came from. There seems to be an issue that the other gateway isn't marked as master even when I delete the faulty one. But if I set bridgeid I got it working!

dire willow
molten linden
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I did a while back. can't remember anything other than it being a pain and taking a lot of attempts

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pretty sure this was it, but the timing was tricky.

# 

From the Remote press and hold the All On/Off power button until the
LED status indicator turns on.

Immediately press the S1 button once for the Remote to search for
nearby networks. The LED indicator will flash once every second.
dire willow
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Exactly... and i wish that worked!?

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i feel stupid... lol

austere patio
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Make sure to refresh the ZHA joining page right before you start

dire willow
#

yup - i think it is also that it isn't going into pairing mode?
when i hit on/off and then s1, nothing

quick hare
#

I have a YRD226 ZigBee Yale lock and I saw in the last 10 days it has lost 10% of battery. This is unusual since I expect the battery lost to be more around 4% ? Sniffing the network I see quite a bit of : Poll control Set long poll interval. Like every second or so. Is it normal? I don’t remember seeing those before.

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Yale replaced my back plate since I had a bug with the previous one but I am unsure it is related to that, the ZigBee module is the same.

forest cobalt
#

What coordinator are you using (ZHA, Z2M, deCONZ, etc)?

quick hare
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ZHA

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Sorry I meant to specify it but got lost in my taught while analyzing. 😅

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With a HUSBZB-1

forest cobalt
#

LOL no worries. I experienced the same thing with my 226 on ZHA. I moved it over to Z2M and it's been much better about battery life. On ZHA, I was losing roughly between 6%-10% weekly. Granted, it is on my front door that gets opened and closed A LOT. But, on Z2M, I've been at 98% battery for almost 3 weeks straight now.

quick hare
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Iv’e shutted down the server for 10 minutes and let the network on it’s own. Now looking at the stream, it look much more calm.

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Damn!

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Z2M look very tempting.

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I like the fact that ZHA is the native one but damn Z2M has some perks!

forest cobalt
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Yeah, I really liked ZHA, but Z2M really lured me in...

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Plus, I love the MQTT aspect as well.

quick hare
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The coordinator just kept pushing new long polls to the lock and the lock just could’nt sleep. weird.

quick hare
forest cobalt
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That is odd. Is it still doing it after the server shutdown?

quick hare
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Iv’e had my fair share of MQTT with Homebridge.

forest cobalt
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LOL Fair.

quick hare
forest cobalt
#

2021.04.x HA version?

quick hare
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MQTT was always extremely reliable for me but I kept forgetting how the spaghetti Iv’e created works with my Sonoffs.

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2021.4.3

forest cobalt
#

lmao! SAME! Took me FOREVER to get my MQTT topics clean.

quick hare
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I’m trying to look if there is any change in Zigpy. Iv’e not found anything for the Yale quirk.

forest cobalt
#

Hmmmm, if it does it again, I'd raise a github issue. Not the first time in the 2021.04.x release that people have been saying ZHA was acting a bit weird.

quick hare
#

Oh wait you have YRD226 with the ZigBee module?

forest cobalt
#

I do.

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YRD226 TSDB

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Along with 2 YRD210s

quick hare
#

basically if it receive a even number of the same frame, it just fails to execute.

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Like the coordinator send Unlock #204 and do it once again (#204) (I think the ember stack does that for reliability) the lock says Sucess but then does nothing.

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They sent me a new ZigBee module as well as a new lock module but the issue remain. Altaugh, it seem’s like the software of the lock look slightly higher? (SW4.3-1910-15994 ➡ SW4.3-2006-01952)

austere patio
quick hare
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After my 3rd restart, I no longer have insane Poll control Set long poll intervals

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and the lock does his data requests at 4 seconds intervals (look much more normal)

#

Those ZigBee polls concepts are quite something to understand..

quick hare
#

erh after the lock did it’s first check in, the coordinator is going crazy again.

gentle flint
wide lily
#

Should I go with ZHA or zigbee2mqtt?

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(using zig-a-zig-ah! / zzh)

sour shadow
#

Depends - do you want your Zigbee mesh fully part of HA (zha) or do you want it separate and accessible by more than just HA, or just to run it on another host (Z2M)

wide lily
#

running on a separate host is important I guess

novel crown
#

then go with z2m

wide lily
#

have done that 🙂

#

I can't really see from the docs how zigbee devices are exposing entities in HA. The addon is running, connected to mqtt. I don't see it under my "integrations" and I don't see entities popping up in HA.

sour shadow
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Did you configure the HA integration in Z2M?

wide lily
#

ah there it is 🙂

#

wonder what will happen after I enable discovery for mqtt in HA, because I have zwavejs2mqtt as well...

jolly narwhal
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Different topics

wide lily
#

so I select specifically which topic devices should be discovered on and then the zwave devices won't pop up?

vital lotus
#

Anyone have any experience with zigbee circuit breaker switches?

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I'm considering one for automating a pool pump

ocean timber
vital lotus
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Weird, AliExpress won't let me share a link on mobile

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Basically a switch that sits in the circuit breaker connected to an appliance

novel crown
#

you mean a zigbee controlled switch?

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@vital lotus You can find plenty of them on aliexpress, amazon, ebay. Just search for zigbee on/off controller. I assume you are running your pump with main voltage. In this case you should also get a rated enclosure for outside use.

vital lotus
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The pump switch I have is on a circuit breaker in the pump room

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With a physical timer on the circuit breaker too

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I was going to try replace the timer with the zigbee one

jolly narwhal
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Pictures needed for reference

obsidian sandalBOT
#

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images.

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novel crown
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where are you from? Is your circuit breaker on a DIN rail?

vital lotus
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Yes I think so

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I'm in Malta, our circuits are the same as the UK essentially

novel crown
vital lotus
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Great, exactly that

novel crown
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I would like to say that working with mains, especially on the circuit breaker, is dangerous and can kill you!

vital lotus
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Oh for sure, I'd get a licensed electrician to install it same as I did with the shelly

novel crown
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If you choose some noname chinese brand I would put a regular circuit breaker in front of it

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just to be safe

vital lotus
#

Those legrand ones look good

novel crown
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legrand is a decent brand

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but, for some reason I can't find any information about zigbee on their product description

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but I also do not speak french

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since its listed on blakadder, I think it would have zigbee support

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which is zigbee certified.

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and can support loads up to 32 A!

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you should make sure what you actually need before buying one tho

#

what current rating do you need? What temperature is the circuit box exposed to?

forest cobalt
frail widget
#

Hello guys. I just recevied my zhh stick and its going to replace my old cc2531. I would like to knwo if the stick ready to use ( just plug it to my RPi)? or should I need to flash it first?

sour shadow
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It comes pre-flashed, usually with the current firmware AFAIK

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Doesn't hurt to flash it though, and flashing it isn't hard

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This is also a good time to learn how to do that 😄

frail widget
#

I would rather to spend that time in repairing all my devices 😅

sour shadow
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It'll take 30 seconds to flash it

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And you'll need to do that at some point in the future when there's a new firmware

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Also 🤫 there's a secret migration path

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Look at the top pinned message

frail widget
#

Thank you bro. will flash it then 😁 . I am using z2m.

frail widget
#

hello again. I did flash and switch the sticks after increasing the pan_id: by 1 bus still I get the following error "Error while starting zigbee-herdsman"

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Thus could not get the zzh stick running

jolly narwhal
#

Well, did you change the serial ports?

frail widget
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No

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Do I need to do Step 4: Setup zigbee2mqtt on zzh if I am replacing my CC2531?

jolly narwhal
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You need to tell z2m to use the correct serial port atleast

frail widget
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even if I used the same port I used for cc2531?

jolly narwhal
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Physical port is not the same as serial port id

frail widget
#

I changed it and its working now. Thank you 😘

jolly narwhal
novel crown
#

does zzh! get shipped to germany? Sometimes when I register for the waitlist it tells me it does not. Not very clear the message.

jolly narwhal
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UK afaik

sour shadow
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Looks like it ships there though

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I know many folks who've ordered it outside of the UK

jolly narwhal
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Oh ship to

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🤣

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It ships to Norway atleast, and usually noone ships to us

ocean timber
jolly narwhal
#

2630 wtfFace

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That appears to be not recommended

sour shadow
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So, maybe a worse choice than the CC2531 🤔

jolly narwhal
#

But still better than the conbee then?

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🤣

ocean timber
#

I wonder why M5Stack released a new product based on the CC2630 then???????

frail widget
#

Sorry guys, I promis last questions 😅 ... after getting the zzh work, all devices disapered from my mqtt integartion. Now, when I try to pair them again, I got none! 😕

sour shadow
#

Check the Z2M and HA logs

frail widget
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noth have no errors

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both

sour shadow
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The devices show in Z2M's own UI?

frail widget
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No

sour shadow
#

Well, then that's where to start

golden vessel
#

I would start by ditching z2m and mqtt, and using ZHA

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😄

frail widget
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Hahahaha

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I have been reading alot btw

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The only prolem I am doing planning to do this for friends and otehr ppl, so I am trying sevral brands, so z2m suports more devices

golden vessel
frail widget
#

I got the conbee II earlier and tried to pair my tuya cover switch through ZHA but i did not work. I have 14 shutter switch of these 🙂

sour shadow
#

In theory things are more likely to work in ZHA - you just don't know until you try

golden vessel
frail widget
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It failed to pair

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I switch to cc2531 with z2m and worked

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That was 3 months ago though

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But what are trying to say? both z2m and zah have same range of supported devices and brands?

golden vessel
# frail widget It failed to pair

that's probably some other issue (maybe with the conbee?). because even if it was not supported (some devices are weird), it should always pair

frail widget
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You know what, I think I will give ZHA another try since I am having difficulty to repair my divces to z2m after installing the zzh stick