We don't know him as a person and ofcourse he can have a horrible reason, so not bashing him personally. Though people are waiting for weeks, repetitive cases (some last year, some now), and for the moment I also saw he took the stock 'out of stock' All understandable, disclaimers on his site as well, but he was not answering/responding in any way which makes people anctious I'd say.
#zigbee-archived
gentle flint
Because for end devices the lqi is reported only by their parent device, and routers report lqi for each other most of the time
spice kelp
what does it mean when there are two numbers on a ZHA topology link?
is that just for routers?
heavy latch
Using zigbee2mqtt; does anyone know how exactly to bind a motion sensor to a light/group? It isn't intuitive and there is no information whatsoever online 😕
heavy latch
ah so the gui is there for no reason?
untold slate
NL
Do let me know if you get taxed. I’m having mine sent there too, and then forwarded on to me. Much appreciated!
heavy latch
bound to group, light doesn't come on as usual
spice kelp
RSSI / LQI
i'm only seeing LQI populated on my devices. all the RSSI values are Unknown
amber gull
Yeah, depends on the radio type -- I only have LQI on TI radio too (zigpy-znp)
spice kelp
all of my links have a single number on the connection line, except the link between the coordinator/router
heavy latch
my zigbee2mqtt debug logs are filled with mqtt messages not relating to z2m, is there a way to filter them? Log is too fast and unreadable
"Debug Received MQTT message on 'homeassistant/sensor/blahblah" I dont want to see logs from homeassistant/ only zigbee2mqtt/ etc
debug log GUI is literally unusable as it is, unfortunately.
daring dawn
Do let me know if you get taxed. I’m having mine sent there too, and then forwar...
It’s already at dpd and due for delivery on Tuesday. Will let you know 🙂
And now he starts communicating. Received a long mail, likely as other buyers from him. Regret a bit my decision and being a bit of a prick but ok - with sleash it would still not be out and from electrolama its already on its way..
We are all spoiled with things like same or next day delivery
stoic bolt
What is wrong with the slae.sh stick? I was about to order one. Tindie never got back to me about asking when zzhp would be released (it has the ability to do firmware updates without needing to push a button first to get it into bootloader mode)
whereas the slae.sh stick can already do that
spice kelp
stick good, customer service bad
sour shadow
https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/discussions/6702 is a useful read that gives some insight
wide nimbus
Read the thread but didn’t need to read past the title it seems 🙂
amber gull
honestly not a great reply from slaesh -- you can't have total radio silence if you're involved in customer service.
life sucks sometimes. be an adult and take five minutes and email everyone if you have stuff going on, it's only professional --- almost everyone will understand
sour shadow
Yeah, to me it came across as tone deaf
How dare you complain that you can't reach me using the methods I've told you to use
wide nimbus
“It’s only taken 6+ weeks of silence to maybe have sent the in-stock item out, what’s the problem?”
stoic bolt
I have the CC1352P-2 and face issues with it on a weekly basis...I assume its the adapter anyway
stuff just becomes uncontactable
aqara stuff I have to hold the button down and do a repair
bulbs I can usually just power cycle
but its a pain in the ass
guess I'll just wait for the Tindie zzhp
austere patio
I don't think you'll see any changes by switching adapters based on almost identical chips
Especially when the CC1352p-2 is a TI "reference" design
stoic bolt
is the CC2652R chip almost identical to the CC1352p-2?
austere patio
The zzh-p would be based on the CC2652P or the CC1352P
stoic bolt
I've not seen reports of so many issues with the CC2652
stoic bolt
z2m
austere patio
By Aqara stuff becoming "uncontactable", are you talking about mains-powered stuff? Or sensors?
austere patio
Communication with those is effectively one way
They send an update and go to sleep
I'm not too familiar with how the Z2M network map looks but are the sensors joined directly to your coordinator or are they children of other routers?
stoic bolt
tis a good question, will check!
austere patio
Do you have to restart Z2M after devices go unavailable or does just allowing joins and re-joining the device work?
sour shadow
I've never had to restart Z2M for that, usually devices just reconnect
Worst case enable joining, and force the device to re-pair
stoic bolt
yeah indeed, repairing or power cycling always works
sour shadow
TBH after getting things stable I've not had issues with devices falling off and staying off. Just getting it stable can be fiddly
stoic bolt
'getting things stable'? in what sense
sour shadow
Moving/placing routers so things get a solid connection
When rolling things out sometimes I've had areas with a weak signal and had to adjust the position of existing routers, or simply add more
stoic bolt
ah gotcha
TBH all the bulbs in my house are zigbee, so it should be blanketed in router signals
one bathroom for example has five GU10 zigbee bulbs, but every week a different one goes unresponsive
sour shadow
I just added three today, so my living room is pretty well covered - I just need to improve the link to it
stoic bolt
it is a pity there are no provisions in the protocol to enforce certain routes
sour shadow
Eh, my experience is that the protocols tend to work things out well enough, unless you've got some intermittent problems - then all bets are off
stoic bolt
sour shadow
Yeah, I'm still some way off of that 😄
Got 20 on my 3.0 mesh, and another 35 or so on the old mesh. There's a half dozen end devices on a ship somewhere
Need to get an electrician in so I can get a bunch of dimmers and switches put in, but ... not until this pandemic is over 😄
stoic bolt
on a ship? lol. Some of the floating devices in my map are for sure in a landfill somewhere. We think our toddler put them in the recycling bin without us noticing. D:
sour shadow
AliExpress... cheap, but deliver times are ... variable
stoic bolt
they certainly have gone up in price though. And now with Brexit I'm not even sure what the deal is with imports and duty :/
sour shadow
Eh, commercial samples is how a lot of mine arrive
I did pay customs on the 20 odd window sensors that I bought, but that's my fault for buying so many in one go
stoic bolt
oof yeah
hmm £8.85 per PIR sensor isn't bad actually
not too far off what I got a load for 3 years ago
kinda surprised at the lack of new sensors from Aqara, they flooded the market a few years ago and then nothing. Was hoping for a 3.0 refresh of stuff
sour shadow
The T1 stuff exists, but it's only in physical shops in China, except for a few things that make it out
stoic bolt
ah not heard of that
apart from last year they released some remote zigbee light switches, with non-replaceable batteries
the height of "we don't give a shit about the environment" capitalism! Disposable light-switches...smh.
stoic bolt
ugh yep, got hit with an extra £12 on the order, brexit tax
molten linden
I didn't make myself aware of the taxes/duties on stuff coming into the US.. as everything I get is well below the level where it's charged... until I bought 200 cc2652 modules. 🤦♂️ now I know to buy in smaller quantites.
stoic bolt
200...? you creating a zigbee mesh coast to coast?
molten linden
I started a small store making coordinators that work over ethernet and dedicated router/repeater.
there a link in the pins.
stoic bolt
Oh very nice, is that using the serial over Ethernet type thing, to the board? I've considered that for my setup, seen it document on the z2m site
molten linden
Yup.
I’ll have more stock once my order of more pcbs comes in. Not sure what the hang up is...
stoic bolt
very nice
normal plaza
I accidentally installed ZHA and now my stick doesn't seem to turn on anymore. I've of course uninstalled ZHA, and tried reinstalling Z2M again, but it throws a lot of error when I try to pair anything, and only really registers stuff when it's just been turned on
normal plaza
cc2531 
Done that, and it seemed to work, but then it just turned off again
and right now it randomly turned on again
austere patio
If you shut down Z2M and unplug/plug the stick, the green LED should stay lit continuously
If it shuts off a few seconds after you plug it in, you likely need to restart HA. Could be that ZHA is also trying to use the stick and removing it without restarting isn't working as expected (though I'm pretty sure it should).
normal plaza
It's been green for five minutes now, so I don't dare touch it. But I've definitely restarted it several times since I removed ZHA. Also did unplug it once, but not sure if that was before or after reinstalling Z2M. I'll see how it runs overnight, and else I have your advice to do in the morning 🙂
austere patio
In that case it won't do anything
normal plaza
Well, it magically turned on now after being flaky for several hours, so now I believe that belief can do anything!
austere patio
Does anything work? Or is Z2M just loading its database?
austere patio
The other devices on the network I mean
Also, when setting up ZHA, did you manually select the radio type, or did it auto detect?
normal plaza
I manually selected my stick
austere patio
So just the serial port or did you configure the type of radio as well
normal plaza
Hmm, that I don't remember. I just remember selecting whatever said something-something TI
austere patio
Probably TI_CC, which overwrote your network settings
But Z2M should have written them back
Or at least tried to
normal plaza
Yeah, I think one device is offline completely, and I'm guessing it's remembered by MQTT? Will have to re-pair
But thanks for the help. The power of your words intimidated ol' cc2531 into behaving!
thick plover
After some hardware advice. Looking for the best solution for temperature and door/window sensors. Looking at the Sonoff devices, any feedback on these would be great. Are they reliable? Are they accurate?
near echo
xiaomi door sensors are good. For temp - I always recommend to build your own DIY - you have plenty of options instead of paying relatively hefty sum. Otherwise Sonoff - SNZB-02 is good (without any display)
thick plover
Unfortunately they aren't available in my country, I've found the Shelly ones are?
thick plover
Xiaomi are readily available though. If I were to buy these, what hub would you recommend to use? Or should I be looking at zigbee2mqtt?
thick plover
hmm had a look at the zigbee2mqtt docs and the ZZH is out of stock
thick plover
considering the Conbee II but unsure what thats like, anyone here have any potiners?
jolly narwhal
Google says mg21
daring dawn
considering the Conbee II but unsure what thats like, anyone here have any potin...
I'm using the Conbee II for over a year now. In my experience it actually is quite stable. Used it with Phoscon/DeCONZ (as advertized) but also directly with ZHA. In both situations, all worked fine. Xiaomi, Philips HUE, Ikea stuff - all connected quite easily. Though sometimes to pair, especially the xiaomi stuff, needed to put the sensor quite close to the conbee.
I'm switching over to CC2652R now, because I want to use Z2M again, as it supports more devices. In my case, a lot of ali express (wall) switches which I cannot get to work with the conbee, or more specifically, ZHA or Phoscon.
sour shadow
You should never need to move the device to the controller, pairing it in place is the right thing to do
daring dawn
I understand - for the zigbee mesh - but in case of the conbee, I couldn't get my sensors on the 2nd (or 3rd, its how you see floors) floor to pair in their place. Had to move them 1 or 2 stairs down, then they paired. Moved them back up, give it some time, and they were connected...
I think it's the reach of the conbee is not that great, while I am/was using a usb extention cable to move it off the WIFI and other antennas
on the other hand, I think it is better than the 2531 in terms of quality and reachability. Used that for some while as well, but it really had issues with reach. Might be my specific case though, or a wrong setup of the mesh (no or not much router devices on the 2531 compared to what was on the conbee), cant remember what I exactly did back then.
jolly narwhal
Yeah, that sounds horrible
sour shadow
The whole point of the mesh is that the reach of the controller doesn't matter
jolly narwhal
I tested my cc1352 with only battery operated devices before creating my mesh, it covered my whole house, all three floors plus my concrete garage without issue
sour shadow
My controller can't reach the other side of my house, sure, but the mesh can just fine
dawn sequoia
Time to get a smaller house
sour shadow
To be fair, if I moved the controller vaguely centrally it'd help - apparently sticking it in one corner of the house isn't ideal 
daring dawn
Well I just recently bought a bunch of wall switches ( so on-net powered, no battery) and assumed that they would also act as routers.....but apparently they won't. So I also invested in some wall plugs to place randomly through the house, from a "better" brand, to build some kind of mesh network 🙂
sour shadow
Yeah, I've seen that particularly with those that don't have a neutral input
normal plaza
Would a low linkquality equal more battery usage? My TRÅDFRI motion sensor says 0 (but is connected and working fine), and I don't dare re-pair in case it "latches on" to one of numerous trådfri bulbs
sour shadow
Yes, it would
normal plaza
That it displays 0 would be a bug though, right? As said, it works perfectly, but the map shows it connected through a random bulb in the other end of the house instead of the coordinator on the same floor
sour shadow
Yeah, zero and 255 are often just signs of no idea
normal plaza
Ah okay, cool. Is 170 the same? Because a lot of my devices show 170 randomly when they seemingly aren't connected.
sour shadow
Nah, anything between those is normal, but devices pick the number they're going to report
So, 170 from Xiaomi may mean something different than 170 from Konke, or Tradfri, or ...
sour shadow
A couple of times a week based on people's posts
thick plover
Nice - have signed up for updates when they come in stock next
And the Xaiomi sensors, do they stay local and nothing goes back to China using them this way?
tall roost
Quick one, want to swap from my CC2531 to my newly acquired CC2652R.
How can i update the config so i can just plug in the new device without having to repair every device in my house?
tall roost
Thanks I'll have a look, there must be a way to flash the network key to the coordinator though.
jolly narwhal
The key lives in the config files and not the coordinator though
tall roost
@sour shadow Not sure why but i can't get to zigbee2mqtt.io at all DNS won't resolve.
@jolly narwhal Ok so then potentially I might be able to do a straight swap without re-pairing?
sour shadow
You need to re-pair all you devices when:
Changing the network key (network_key) in configuration.yaml.
Changing the Zigbee channel (channel) in configuration.yaml.
Swiching between a Zigbee 1.2/3.0 coordinator firmware
Switching between adapter types (e.g. CC2531 -> CC26X2R1)
Except when switching between adapters with the following chips: CC2652, CC1352, CC253* (only when running Zigbee 3.0 firmware)
jolly narwhal
so if your 2531 is running 3.0 firmware TODAY
tall roost
@sour shadow Great thanks
tall roost
@jolly narwhal fortunately it is running 3.0
Will see how it goes when i can get home and do it, will be superb if it is just a drop in swap!
obsidian sandalBOT
sour shadow
Yeah, I've seen a few folks posting they finally got their Slaesh stick 
heavy latch
z2m My logs are flooded with mqtt traffic from homeassistant/ topic, making the logs unreadable. Is there a way to filter these out?
stone halo
raid aliexpress and ikea
Yeah still thinking if I get some tradfri 800lumens rgbcw first or get the hue play bars first
heavy latch
I guess until a filter is implemented, I can disable the statestream in my configuration.yaml when I need to use the logs.
I'll raise an issue on github 👍
undone yarrow
Yo guys just an FYI my homedepot has the 2pk of ecosmart zigbee bulbs on clearance for $7.50
amber gull
If it sounds too good to be true it probably is
amber gull
Your future self says don't do it
undone yarrow
Lol why? I know replacing the switch is optimal but for stupid shit I wouldnt of otherwise made smart why not?
amber gull
They are buggy. Random crashes, no firmware updates, bugged brightness levels at dim levels
undone yarrow
Are u talking smart bulbs in general or this brand in particular
amber gull
Ecosmart in particular
undone yarrow
Gotcha. Might be why they’re on clearance then lol
austere patio
Mine also got a little fried the other day during a brownout
IKEA bulbs working no problem, every Ecosmart bulb now flickers a little
You really get what you pay for with those cheap bulbs
They also take 10s to turn on from the "off" state to the "on" state if you have them set to a low brightness and they've been off for a while
dusk thistle
I picked up a free xfinity motion sensor. Has anyone had any luck getting these to work? I believe the model is XHS1-TY.
I'm able to get ZHA to pick it up and begin the configuration. It creates the entity as a motion device but it never functions!
amber estuary
I am looking for a zigbee motion sensor that not a battery based. Any suggestions?!
tall roost
Well the coordinator swap was not plug and play, gonna have to re-pair my whole network, Into the ceiling i go 😦
unborn compass
Well the coordinator swap was not plug and play, gonna have to re-pair my whole ...
according to this you'd have to re-pair anyway.....
https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/FAQ.html#how-do-i-migrate-from-a-cc2531-to-a-more-powerful-coordinator-eg-zzh
austere patio
Well the coordinator swap was not plug and play, gonna have to re-pair my whole ...
Still have your old coordinator?
If you follow the installation instructions for installing the latest zigpy-znp from Git at the top of the page, https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-znp/blob/dev/TOOLS.md#network-backup-beta will work to migrate from one to the other. Z2M has some bugs with network formation so your CC2531 network's real settings likely do not match what's in your Z2M config. Sync the Z2M config with what's in the backup and you should be good to go.
scarlet gust
anyone here using a tube CC2652p coordinator? just got one in the mail but having trouble connecting it to ZHA and zigbee2mqtt
austere patio
Do you mean you've tried with both ZHA and Z2M? Or you're trying to set both up?
austere patio
Yeah, running both would not work too well
scarlet gust
I wanted to use Z2M but that failed, so tried ZHA after
I can ping the device and get to its http server
[D][streamserver:085]: New client connected from 192.168.0.10
[D][streamserver:050]: Client 192.168.0.10 disconnected
I'll ask tube directly, just wanted to see if someone knew something dumb I was missing
unborn compass
Haven't plugged mine in yet, but I'll come to you if I have problems 😜
scarlet gust
lol
stone halo
Made my mind up, I'll be getting a tradfri remote and rgcw 800 lumen bulb as soon as I can and the play bars too
leaden drift
Any zigbee dongle advice, top quality? Not having good experience with C2531
simple sentinel
pinned messages have the main gotos' for stick recommendation
zzh, Slaesh and Tube's devices are all C2652R-based
leaden drift
Thank you very much, I'll check it
wraith dew
I know this isn't strictly zigbee related - but i figured you guys would be the best to ask... would 2.4Ghz wifi Devices clutter up my 5Ghz Wifi
leaden drift
zzh, Slaesh and Tube's devices are all C2652R-based
zzh and slaesh with no stock. ConBee II is good? Seems easy to buy from amazon
simple sentinel
Times are hard
Conbee II works in deconz and zigbee2mqtt, at least
Maybe Zha too, but that's not my area
jolly narwhal
I know this isn't strictly zigbee related - but i figured you guys would be the ...
No, like ir remotes don't work on RF recievers
wraith dew
thanks @jolly narwhal
i figures that was the case but whated to make sure
although i have a mesh system and that may clutter things
since i believe mesh works on 2.4 AND 5
stone halo
No, like ir remotes don't work on RF recievers
I mean all waves interfere...
simple sentinel
Several Ghz off, though.
Interference on same band/channel should have more impact. But I won't take firm position on it either way
wraith dew
yea all waves interfere but i think 2.4g impact on 5g is negligible
but in that case zigbee and z-wave would interfere just as much
as 2.4
bleak cave
Hey guys, I have a CC2531 flashed as coordinator that I would like to repurpose as router/repeater. I know that zigpy_znp can do a straight update of the CC2531 firmware without the need for a CC debugger, but I believe that only works when updating from a coordinator firmware to a newer one, not from coordinator to router, correct?
runic hazel
Hey, I hame some Phillips hue lights, and ZHA setup, but I don't have the Phillips hue Hub setup, so is there anyway to pair my hue lights to my ZHA?
I can't figure out how to get the lights into pairing mode yet though
They do not seem to be Bluetooth capable bulbs though
mellow geode
Long press I/ON and O/OFF on the Hue dimmer switch while holding it very close to the bulb. (Put ZHA into "pairing mode"/search for devices)
https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#add-philips-hue-bulbs-that-have-previously-been-added-to-another-bridge
runic hazel
Uhhh I think I have one somewhere, lemme rummage in my drawers
mellow geode
In a newer firmware version, the Hue lights can also be reset by toggling them off and on. ("Perform a manual factory reset of lights by power cycling a light 5 times"). I think this update was only ever rolled out to the newer Bluetooth bulbs though.
spice kelp
i had some hue bulbs paired to deconz, am i gonna have a hard time switching them to a TI stick?
austere patio
I think Z2M has a way to emulate the remote-based reset
amber gull
spice kelp
ah nice. of course i'm running zha now
mellow geode
#zigbee-archived message Perhaps there is something in the Home Assistant docs that you can use
Just removing them from deconz should also put them in pairing mode each time you turn them on
(assuming they were removed "properly")
tall roost
Yep
austere patio
ah nice. of course i'm running zha now
If you do an NVRAM backup (or the beta "network" backup if you like to live dangerously), you can let Z2M do its thing with your TI coordinator and then restore it back to exactly the way it was
jolly narwhal
I mean all waves interfere...
Actually they don't🤣 this is why we can have DWDM and CWDMs 🤣
limber citrus
I'm looking for hardware recommendations to set up my smart home. I need a smart plug and rgb bulb, but I'm kinda overwhelmed by the zigbee-compatible lists I see and googling model numbers hasn't led me to anywhere I can actually buy them.
thick plover
ZZH’s are back in stock for anyone interested
fervent storm
!zzh
Aqara sensors seem stuck to a specific router - if that router is switched off then the aqara end device is offline - does anyone know if this is a zigbee 1.2 limitation and using a zigbee 3.0 router would work better?
leaden drift
ZZH’s are back in stock for anyone interested
Just when i bought a congbee II yesterday...
thick plover
Just when i bought a congbee II yesterday...
I was on the verge of buying one yesterday too mate, but got distracted at work. Blessing in disguise?
leaden drift
Haha indeed. I hope congbee II works just as good
spice kelp
If you do an NVRAM backup (or the beta "network" backup if you like to live dang...
oh wait, i still have the raspbee 🤦♂️
wraith vortex
Quick question w.r.t ZHA Network Map - assuming green, yellow, red lines indicate signal strength. What do the gray lines indicate?
(or am I completely off?)
spice kelp
i believe a known connection, but the end (battery operated) device is currently sleeping
wide nimbus
I’ve recently started trying zigbee devices with a zzh and everything is fine. If I start investing in the protocol I’d prefer to an Ethernet based coordinator (I think!) - this seems a lot less popular for some reason, any reason for that? Recommendations?
sour shadow
Link is also in the pinned messages
gentle flint
Aqara sensors seem stuck to a specific router - if that router is switched off t...
Not using xiami aqara ha1.2 devices would work better.
sour shadow
He suggests a PoE adapter
I did comment on the lack of PoE, it sounded like it wasn't something high on his list
stone halo
I did comment on the lack of PoE, it sounded like it wasn't something high on hi...
expensive to add he said
sour shadow
Yeah, but ... some of us would pay 😄
wide nimbus
Yeah would be nice to have it all integrated but not the end of the world. Might even be enough room to jam one inside looking at the photos
austere patio
Could also just print a bigger case
hidden cloak
My generic wifi light has died and I figure I'll take it as an opportunity to move over to Zigbee lights. Is there any common hub I can get locally in Canada for Zigbee that I can flash to only run within my network? Or should I be looking at a Conbee with fast shipping instead
obsidian sandalBOT
sour shadow
☝️ pick your integration, then pick your stick
stone halo
how do you guys control your lights
im using the diy hue add on but its a little janky fr me
tall roost
Shout out to @austere patio for his amazing tooling in zigpy-znp, coordinator swap over was a breeze 🎆🎇
sour shadow
how do you guys control your lights
With automations... 😛
stone halo
With automations... 😛
ahhh
sour shadow
I almost never do manual control any more, other than for messing about
unborn compass
```
[D][streamserver:085]: New client connected from 192.168.0.10
[D][streamser...
did you get your coordinator working?
molten linden
did you get your coordinator working?
We were not able to get it going - serial would not stay connected - swapping it out asap
unborn compass
We were not able to get it going - serial would not stay connected - swapping it...
👍 just plugged mine in 5 minutes ago, not having any problems on my end.
molten linden
Nice good to hear
scarlet gust
did you get your coordinator working?
What @molten linden said. For what it’s worth he responded within like ten minutes of me reaching out and worked with me on troubleshooting for a while before offering to replace it
5/5 would highly recommend!
stone halo
I have the hue play bars now, but I might just return it
Hue sync works mediocre
Over home assistant
simple sentinel
Which zigbee integration are you using?
You might be able to get closer to the original Hue functionality with hass emulated hue, if you don't already have it
simple sentinel
I use zigbee2mqtt with emulated hue, it's not a full zigbee integration, just adds some of the hue specific media stuff back
stone halo
dont get me wrong, normal hue apps work, the hue sync is awfull tho
simple sentinel
I don't have a sync bar, but I use it with Hue Essentials on my phone to get the disco light experience when I feel the mood
stone halo
I don't have a sync bar, but I use it with Hue Essentials on my phone to get the...
that lags for me already
simple sentinel
this project right here: https://github.com/hass-emulated-hue/core
stone halo
this project right here: https://github.com/hass-emulated-hue/core
what do you use for that config
what yaml?
simple sentinel
I'm on docker, so I had to get the docker image and junk
if you are on HAOS I think it's an addon?
stone halo
im on haos
stone halo
if you are on HAOS I think it's an addon?
yeah but to enable it
simple sentinel
Add the custom repository to the Home Assistant supervisor's store:, they say
What's with the tagging, we're the only people talking 😛
stone halo
sorry my bad haha
simple sentinel
Docs are right there in the link though
simple sentinel
If you only used the Yaml to enable it in conf I don't think you have the whole thing though
stone halo
nah i have it installed as an add-on
knotty saffron
Hi. I've got problem with specific device : termostat Valve identified as Saswell SEA801-Zigbee/SEA802 -Zigbee . It doesn't update room temp by itself, only when I change setpoint, or wake it up anyway.
simple sentinel
Oh well,
stone halo
maybe its how the lights are set up?
in the rainbow loop from hue essentials it just gets stuck
simple sentinel
Anything in the logs?
stone halo
alot
simple sentinel
Hmms, well I'm no expert.
What sort of storage are you running on?
simple sentinel
I guess that could be a difference in our setups too, I'm on an old desktop, with regular storage, but it's not like I know that to be any sort of deciding factor :<
you were planing to test ZHA as well, or have you already done so?
simple sentinel
If you are going to anyway you might as well do a comparison on Hue Sync as well, for science
z2m has throttle??
simple sentinel
aah,haven't looked much under the hood here; "It just works"
Well, good luck, I'm off to sleep
stone halo
night
stone halo
aah,haven't looked much under the hood here; "It just works"
guess im gonna return it
simple sentinel
If you can get the money back, hue essentials + the emulator will be enough in a pinch 😉
Just get a color bulb or two
brave dagger
anyone know where i can get my hands on a zzh?
looks like they're out of stock on the tindie store
brave dagger
oh yeah?
molten linden
🤫 I’m soft launching an USB connected coordinator tonight. Based on the cc2652pa2 module. Have a handful made.
molten linden
Has the built in power amp
And will be connected via a micro usb cable to get it away from pc and possible interference. Very similar design to my dedicated routers
molten linden
just posted them... https://www.tubeszb.com/product/usb_coord/11
I'm US based but ship international too.
unborn compass
I'm US based but ship international too.
Oooh. Maybe I should have waited for one of these! 😜 I do appreciate the like 500% lqi increase of the coordinator compared my last one though. 🥰
molten linden
Oooh. Maybe I should have waited for one of these! 😜 I do appreciate the like 5...
I was torn as whether I was going to do these or not. as there are a many "makers" of ones like this compared to my other products, but figured it can't hurt. 😉
unborn compass
I was torn as whether I was going to do these or not. as there are a many "maker...
I think it was a great idea! Esp for US people too for shipping purposes. Plus your communication is like 100x better than some 😂
stone halo
@molten linden all of my lights have huge latency, any tips?
molten linden
latency with emulated hue or in general?
stone halo
latency with emulated hue or in general?
i mean both
but its even worse with emulated hue
like with emulated hue its spikes
sometimes its fine sometimes not
molten linden
emulated hue is another layer on top so 🤷♂️
and if you are using z2m you have emulated hue > ha > mqtt
stone halo
i might have to try a rpi 4 i guesS?
molten linden
as for latency just normal without emulated hue, not sure there, might want to look at some debug logging to see if requests are going through and not getting retried etc.
what are you on now?
molten linden
with just z2m I think it would be fine
with ha+ z2m it might be asking too much for it to be snappy
molten linden
update fw on which coordinator?
stone halo
fw for my lamps
molten linden
ah
stone halo
its says ota is available in z2m
molten linden
I don't know for z2m sorry... I mean I know its supported just not how to on it.
unborn compass
@molten linden is a normal 5v 1a random phone charger power supply OK for the ethernet coordinators? I think I have it on a 5v 3a right now, but just making sure.
molten linden
Yes should be fine.. according to my cheap usb meter, it pulls 0.17 amps
Routers pull 0.10
unborn compass
sweet. thanks 😄
hot pier
What should I do if a device can connect and be controlled in deCONZ, but doesn't appear in HA?
brave dagger
just posted them... <https://www.tubeszb.com/product/usb_coord/11>
Ordered! This is exactly what I need cuz my HA RPi sits in my metal server cabinet which acts like a faraday cage. Now I can set this hub on top of the rack just like my Hue hub
hushed elbow
Getting this error occasionally when trying to turn off a light via service call... It'll work the next time no problem. Any ideas?
2021-03-21 06:51:07 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.device] [0x2553] Delivery error for seq # 0x04, on endpoint id 11 cluster 0x0006: message send failure
2021-03-21 06:51:07 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base] [0x2553:11:0x0006]: command failed: 'off' args: '()' kwargs '{}' exception: '[0x2553:11:0x0006]: Message send failure'
2021-03-21 06:51:07 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.entity] light.kitchen_1: turned off: [0x2553:11:0x0006]: Message send failure
A few moments later:
2021-03-21 06:53:16 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.entity] light.kitchen_1: turned off: [0, <Status.SUCCESS: 0>]
2021-03-21 06:53:16 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.zcl] [0x44e2:11:0x0006] ZCL deserialize: <ZCLHeader frame_control=<FrameControl frame_type=GLOBAL_COMMAND manufacturer_specific=False is_reply=True disable_default_response=True> manufacturer=None tsn=78 command_id=Command.Default_Response>
2021-03-21 06:53:16 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base] [0x44E2:11:0x0006]: executed 'off' command with args: '()' kwargs: '{}' result: [0, <Status.SUCCESS: 0>]
tepid cliff
If I want to see why a device or light group is not responding, what log should I activate?
jolly narwhal
Well..... Depends on how you are integrating that light
summer thicket
And will be connected via a micro usb cable to get it away from pc and possible ...
Firmware the only difference?
supple torrent
Hey! Is conbee 2 the Zigbee stick of 2021 or is there another alternative thats more preferred these days? Want to use Deconz
sour shadow
For deCONZ it's the only choice
molten linden
Firmware the only difference?
Compared to the routers they have onboard serial. And are actually a bit smaller. Fw is the CC1352P2_CC2652P_launchpad_*. Coordinator fw.
summer thicket
So, you couldn't flash the CC1352P2_CC2652Plaunchpad*. Coordinator fw on the router hw with the same results?
molten linden
You’d need to hook up and use a usb to serial converter and keep it hooked up for use... here are the 2 boards side by side. Coordinator is on the left. https://imgur.com/a/R67wRTv
summer thicket
Gotcha
IMHO, for US users, this would be a better option than the zzh coordinator. Looks, performance, and shipping are superior.
gentle flint
Getting this error occasionally when trying to turn off a light via service call...
ConBee? Interference?
summer thicket
@molten linden Flash using UniFlash?
molten linden
I assume so, but have only used the cc2538-bsl programmer python app which works great.
summer thicket
Just pulled the plug
light atlas
Hey, I'm trying to pair aqara cube to my home assistant with cc2531 + zigbee2mqtt. I'm having few sensors paired already which reports data fine so basic setup is working but dunno what to do with these cubes
https://pastebin.com/dSBbtfKc it looks like they are failing to join for whatever reason
any ideas what to do to get those cubes working?
Aha... Got it. Took another cube from the box and it automatically joined before I even went for pairing button. Looks like pairing via button fails with those errors but shaking unpaired device pairs the device
stone halo
'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/response/touchlink/scan', payload '{"data":{},"error":"SRSP - AF - interPanCtl after 6000ms","status":"error","transaction":"lnw79-1"}'
I keep having issues with re pairing
leaden drift
Guys one question about congbee II. Do I have to use phoscon software to make it work with home assistant. Isn't it as straightforward as ZHA integration?
sour shadow
You can use it with ZHA directly
Or even Zigbee2MQTT if you don't mind living on the edge
leaden drift
haha
leaden drift
You can use it with ZHA directly
Oh tahts really great, I was afraid of having to use different softwares or web UIs
Thanks!
sour shadow
leaden drift
So if there are two different integrations what's the point on using deCONZ
sour shadow
Some people prefer it
Same as why there's Zigbee2MQTT
Not everything is about Home Assistant 😉
leaden drift
I see
Well congbee II arrives tomorrow, hope is good. The chinese c2531 didn't work for me
leaden drift
is it better? or just different
jolly narwhal
I prefer it decoupled from HA
It gives me freedom and flexibility
And the TI sticks are from what I've seen a lot more stable and powerful than the conbee
jolly narwhal
Well.... It is old, slow, and not really intended to be used as a coordinator
It's like entering a Lada Niva into the Daytona race
You are going to have a bad time
sour shadow
Worse, it's like entering a pedal car into F1
leaden drift
hahaha
I bought congbee II cause ZZH! was not in stock, day after buying congbee II email recieved that stock is back. 😆
sour shadow
Buy the ZZH, sell the Conbee II to some unsuspecting soul
sour shadow
Eh.... if you're running zha then ... maybe
You're still likely better off with a current generation TI stick
stone halo
It's like entering a Lada Niva into the Daytona race
The new lada Niva tho
leaden drift
Eh.... if you're running _zha_ then ... _maybe_
yeah that was my intention, i'm also average user. Don't looking for a deep home automation setup. Also the shipping from usa...
Dont make me regret it haha
hushed elbow
ConBee? Interference?
Yep, ConBee II via ZHA. How would I check for interference?
leaden drift
Yep, ConBee II via ZHA. How would I check for interference?
Great here i am doubting about conbee to read that haha
hushed elbow
😅
mighty river
Hello everybody, I just changed my whole network to Ubiquiti. Works great....But installed unify controller on my NUC and on my NUC also Virtualbox is installed with HA. And since today Zigbee2MQTT cannot conntect to MQTT broker (1883 port)
sour shadow
Check that the broker didn't change IP
mighty river
Does the broker has its own IP?
nocturne geyser
Does anyone know how many devices can connect to conbee?
I've had some connected to Philips bulbs but kids keep switching off at wall (which is great.. )
and i think the connected devices have some problems whilst waiting for me to get out of my chair to turn it back on
So i'm connecting majority of them to the conbee 2 so far i've got 27 just wondering if anyone knew how many is the max
@ me as im on mobile
austere patio
Does anyone know how many devices can connect to conbee?
I've had some connected...
I think it's ~30 connected directly to the Conbee and then 5-10 more to each router (e.g. bulb) on your network. As long as you have a few routers you won't hit any limits.
nocturne geyser
@austere patio when you say routers do you mean bulbs? Like mesh? Or whatever ite called
austere patio
Yeah
nocturne geyser
Right perfect so it's just a case of telling people to stop switching off at wall
How many devices can a philips bulbs hold? 5-10??
@austere patio
I assume its pretty straightforward switch connection?
Moving door sensor from conbee to bulb upstairs?
austere patio
Unless you explicitly joined your sensor directly to the Conbee and it's one of the few that just do not search for new parents, it likely is not joined directly to your Conbee
If you just click the "add device" button, every router on your network will be opened for joins and can act as a new parent for sensors. If you move the sensor, it should find a better parent over time on its own.
sour shadow
Does the broker has its own IP?
Well, the computer it runs on does...
wide saffron
is there any migration path from deconz to zha or zigbe2MQTT?
or do I just need to re-add everything?
austere patio
is there any migration path from deconz to zha or zigbe2MQTT?
Depends on which coordinator you're using and if you want to waste time trying something that may not work
Or do you mean just moving a Conbee over?
tepid cliff
To what end can usb3 disturb the Zigbee signal?
stuck geyser
Hello, I'm running HA and deconz from containers. I get the
"Link with deCONZ
Unlock your deCONZ gateway to register with Home Assistant.
"
But I can't figure out what to do. Any help appreciated, thanks!
spice kelp
Hello, I'm running HA and deconz from containers. I get the
"Link with deCONZ
...
in the phoscon (web) interface, there's a gateway settings page and a button to allow api linking
steel bay
do I need the aqara hub to connect their zigbee stuff or can I use it with my existing zigbee stick (HUSBZB-1)? Sorry if this is a noob question
mellow geode
It's probably better to use your Zigbee stick
Aqara stuff should basically just work with ZHA and your HUSBZB-1
mellow geode
If they (for whatever reason) should not correctly work after being paired, you can always create an issue here: https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues
wide saffron
Or do you mean just moving a Conbee over?
yeah, I have a conbee, currently using deconz, but it has issues with a couple of my devices and I'm sick of waiting for a fix
thick plover
Does the broker has its own IP?
I did the same thing recently, like Tinkerer said, check your IP. I had to go back and change IP’s and set static IP’s from scratch
jolly narwhal
Static ips 
DHCP reservations 
thick plover
Please explain? 🙂
jolly narwhal
Static ips means the host will always have an ip, which can be cumbersome for headless setups, DHCP reservations means you assign a fixed ip to a device in your DHCP server, that you can change at any point down the line
You should also be connecting to hostnames and not IP addresses when you can, that means if you connect to mosquitto.yourlab.com you don't care if the IP is 192.168.1.233 or 10.23.54.12 at any given time
As long as you control your interior network, stuff will just work
Heck, with a DNS server that reads DHCP leases, you can get away with running DHCP without reservation, although that makes me 🤢
thick plover
Beautiful
Seems like I’ve set DHCP reservations then 🙂
Did it all from within the router
How do you set up host names?
jolly narwhal
Depends a lot on your router
Pfsense has done that automatically for me for 15 years
Just reads the hostname of the DHCP requestors
thick plover
I’ve got an Ubiquiti - I know you love them
jolly narwhal
🤢
mighty river
Yes Ubiquiti is great
But strange thing is that my NUC running HA still has the same IPadress. Because I set this first on Ubiquiti controller
But the Ubiquiti controller is running on the same Windows NUC and HA is running on Virtual Box
(on the NUC)
jolly narwhal
poor nuc
mighty river
🙂
Works great is I5, with 12GB RAM
But now MQTT is not working and I read about port issues
When running on the same OS
jolly narwhal
if you would just run debian on there, and containers instead, it would probably be easier to troubleshoot, but now you have a windows firewall, you have a shoddy hypervisor, and I'm guessing you are running the locked down appliance #330990055533576204 in there somewhere ? or Dog forbid #330944238910963714 ?
mighty river
I have virtualbox with HomeassistantOS
jolly narwhal
and that VM still has the same IP as before ? on the same subnet as the rest of your machines ?
mighty river
Yes
jolly narwhal
then stuff should just work, but I have no idea what your config does, and I don't touch HAOS
mighty river
http://homeassistant.local:8123 is reachable
jolly narwhal
are you running your mqtt server on windows ? or in the vm ?
jolly narwhal
then the ip of the hostOS is irrelevant
mighty river
MAybe I always thought it was the hostOS ipadress
jolly narwhal
🤷
mighty river
I will check
That is kinda stupid
Thought I kept the ipadress the same while it actually wasnt
jolly narwhal
it will never be the same
the VM has its own IPstack
compared to a container, that usually shares the IP with the host using bridging
you can do that with VMs on virtualbox too, but noone should be doing that
ivory hound
uuu i think my zzh arrived :d
jolly narwhal
mighty river
Problem solved. Thanks @jolly narwhal
jolly narwhal
and what was the issue ?
mighty river
I used the NUC ipadres
jolly narwhal
mighty river
indeed
jolly narwhal
now come back when you've migrated to debian as the host OS and running #449717345808547842 
mighty river
haha why
jolly narwhal
because virtualbox is a horrible hypervisor, haos is a limitation and containers are the future 😄
and windows doesn't help
mighty river
Am improving step by step
First spend my time on the Unify add-on in Home assistant to terrotize my kids
terrorize
They don't like HA. If they leave the door open lights start blinking 😉
And my whife gets a message to close the door
🙂
jolly narwhal
😄
jolly narwhal
that sounds like #frontend-archived
thick plover
still trying to figure out how to use host names lol
jolly narwhal
I blame ubiquiti
thick plover
tbf i haven't looked too hard and am expecting you to spoon feed me 😉
sour shadow
Networking is easy - just work in the field for a year or few and it starts to make sense
Then you learn more, and realise it doesn't
Then you learn even more, and it starts to make sense again
jolly narwhal
you mean, work with it for 20 years and still learn something new every week
sour shadow
If you're not learning, you're dead
jolly narwhal
I learn atleast 5-10 new products every year, and if I didn't I would be terribly bored
thick plover
studied network engineering 15 years ago, but left it at that
sour shadow
Today I learned that the router firmware for Sleash and ZZH is unstable 🤣
sour shadow
Both merrily join the mesh, and then fall offline
The ZZH works just fine as a coordinator, so it'll be a firmware bug
sour shadow
Well, I was gonna replace my CC2530 in the middle of the house
ivory hound
but lucky me i use it as coordinator
jolly narwhal
The tube-box looked good
but I don't need any more routers I think, the 60 or so bulbs I have should suffice
😄
sour shadow
Yeah, I've got an awkward layout that means that a couple of USB routers would make life a lot easier
mighty river
CC2530 only for testing some smart guy told me
sour shadow
Yeah, but for a router it's fine
Same for the CC2531 - good enough router, crappy coordinator
violet dagger
or if you live in 20m2 apartment 😛
sour shadow
And no Bluetooth
jolly narwhal
and no draft
violet dagger
now you're pushing it
thick plover
@jolly narwhal you'll be chuffed to know that I figured the hostname stuff out without the spoon this evening
verbal shale
@violet dagger Those are compatible with ZHA and z2m
Zigbee Temperature | Humidity Sensor
Model: TS0201
Manufactor: _TZ2000_a476raq2
Type: End Device
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_99Abvu
Zigbee Switch (no neural need)
Model: TS0012
Manufactor: _TZ3000_lupfd8zu
Type: End Device
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_APBRw2
@violet dagger
fallow warren
i have this one tradfri bulb thats been out for so long (5 weeks) i tried to pair it so many times but it just doesnt pair
any ideas?
mental wave
Anybody been getting phantom deconz events? Over the past few months im getting false button presses involving all of my samsung smart things buttons which trigger automations.
Looks like I'm not only one too: https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/lmrx0p/phantom_deconz_events_turning_lights_off/
I don't have much time to troubleshoot it now, but if there is a known solution id be interested.
jolly narwhal
@fallow warren with what implementation of zigbee? And what did the log say?
fallow warren
zigbee2mqtt, one sce i always forget these things have logs
jolly narwhal
There you go
Logs will tell you
And if nothing is in the logs, you are out of range
fallow warren
ok i must be out of range then. I did move my stick but there is still 3 tradfri bulbs in my room which works jsut fine, this one is jsut 2 metres away from mine
from my understanding pairing via forwarders should be possible, il check if there is a way to factory reset
jolly narwhal
With that range almost anything should be fine
Except cc2531
🤢
And it should join via other routers
fallow warren
Haha the cc2531 is carrying my apartment and everything works good excpet this one bulb
yea thats my thought
jolly narwhal
verbal shale
<@166271218658443264> with what implementation of zigbee? And what did the log s...
I told ZHA and z2m
jolly narwhal
fallow warren
hmm?
verbal shale
@fallow warren i'm a litle bit regreted =/, 2 weeks after payment and nothing
fallow warren
i have no clue what ur saying sorry
verbal shale
tindies
fallow warren
ooooooh
Weird, i bought it 6 days ago and got this:
00:22am
Item Leaving the UK LANGLEY HWDC
I bought at day 9
verbal shale
and receive the track number at day 15
sour shadow
Did you buy the Slaesh or the ZZH?
Both of those, and other options, are sold on Tindie after all 😉
fallow warren
I got the zzh i believe the one who emailed me is called electrolama. Idk about babyagi
sour shadow
Yeah, Sleash is known to suffer from communication problems and slow shipping
Electromah/ZZH generally goes the other way 😄
fallow warren
ahhhh yea i have only good words. i hadnt been able to snag one for a week months and sent them an email and they gave me the time for next release 🙂
so i was ready to buy it
ivory hound
today my zzh also come
already set it up and liked some bulb on my new zigbee2mqtt
seem to work ok
verbal shale
@ivory hound are you living in UK or Europe?
ivory hound
i think when i bought it
not sure
let me look
no i did not
only product and shipping
i think taxes for uk start in 2022
verbal shale
nop
in portugal, already start
12€ plus 23% over all goods if (until June) goods past over 22€
if declared
ivory hound
43 i pay also
i dont find it expensive
at least is not that shitty stick of 5$ that everybody use
but you know what is worst then the shitty 5$ cc2531
deCONZ Conbee II 🙂
verbal shale
ahah dont know, because i have a sonoff zigbee bridge
dont tell me that, because i did order connbee 2 too
😅
verbal shale
its easy to sell here in portugal
is very popular
lol
and did cost less than zzh because i did not pay vat
ivory hound
i have one from 2 years and i only had problems with it
you know on what it worked ok
conbee 2 worked ok on ZHA
on deconz and z2mqtt disaster
ivory hound
well i am glad but for me failed miserable
verbal shale
now I will have 3 platforms to test things
😅
with zzh I will go to z2m
because of zigbee groups
that works better in z2m
@ivory hound
unborn compass
Today I learned that the router firmware for Sleash and ZZH is unstable 🤣
I was just gonna come here to ask about this and then saw your post. ☹️ Was excited about using my zzh as a router, but it definitely doesn't like to stay connected.
sour shadow
I may be having issues specific to my setup
wraith dew
Anyone with suggestions on E12 Candelabra Bulbs? (Zigbee, of course, and Tunable white (warm yellow to soft white))
unborn compass
Idk. I flashed the router firmware on mine last night and joined it to my network, and it had fallen off this morn 🤷♀️
wraith dew
I’ll take zwave too but figured since this is the Zig channel
verbal shale
@ivory hound I have 13 bulbs on one division
also I have group of bulbs in my room and kids rooms
and kitchen
lol
@wraith dew e12 or e14? I have a good vendor for e14
reall deal
wraith dew
i think they’re e12
lemme take a pic
how much
I’m gonna look up the model number
ivory hound
@verbal shale and where zigbee2mqtt comes it? because the way i see it i can make a light group in home assistant
wraith dew
@verbal shale .. do you know if they have Tunable White (non-RGB)
verbal shale
Ive tried before trying the zigbee group
wraith dew
i guess i can use RGB
verbal shale
and when change colors its a random turn off and turn on
for 14 bulbs in a group its a mess
wraith dew
i can use the colors for notifications actually
ivory hound
idd i do not have groups of so many bulbs
wraith dew
“If the oven in preheated, flash the lights red”
ivory hound
thats one expensive power hungry tv room
wraith dew
lol yea.. i have 13 downstairs alone
i would LOVE to fine or make some kind of automated candle lighter
that lights and snuffs out candles for you
or the same thing with an oil lamp
wraith dew
which post am i looking at
ivory hound
so many lights
ivory hound
that's you?
verbal shale
yup
wraith dew
hmm you do RGB well
RGB has to be done JUST right or it looks gimmicky
you have a good setup
verbal shale
yup 😛
and more is comming
lol
@ivory hound it needs to be, with 2 kids, I need something 😛
lol
but if you see on this video, I have a HA groups and the light turn on randonly
and are very slow to change color
with zha group the lights are no more randonmly but are very slow
turn out, it works great with z2m
jolly narwhal
ivory hound
yah how did you do lights turn on random like that, i noticed strips @verbal shale
how did you do that?
verbal shale
the random lights up its a bug on ha group
yes I have RGB WW strips too in entire room with 3 controllers sp501e (wled)
@ivory hound
wraith dew
Rgb <:no:643436590940553227>
the only thing cool about RGB is you can them for niotifications
jolly narwhal
So you can with any bulb
wraith dew
ie “if the over is preheated, flash the lights red”
ivory hound
you know what i can't make? make z2mqtt to notice when the power goes down and when is back again to notice my bulbs are ON
this drives me crazy
wraith dew
well yea but you can use different ones for different things
verbal shale
eheh @wraith dew its not the only thing......image using entertainiment with philips system 😛
jolly narwhal
Or use a proper notification platform
wraith dew
“if the laundry isn’t done, set to red, when it’s done, set to green”
jolly narwhal
Like telegram
wraith dew
nah
verbal shale
@ivory hound the zha have the same probleme
wraith dew
i mean notification platforms have their place
but it’s nice to just look in a room and see the status
ivory hound
@verbal shale zha notice the light is on after power cut
wraith dew
rather than getting bombarded with notifications
ivory hound
at least it shows it on
verbal shale
@ivory hound mine dont
If I turn off, if stays on HA for a few minutos
and If I turn on, it some bulbs show off and other on
but zigbee group can turn on off without probleme
jolly narwhal
Mini oled screens, ws2812 small printed boxes, telegram, all more actually usable than RGB bulbs for notifications
ivory hound
@verbal shale my best guess you have some interference issues there
wraith dew
@verbal shale So you know how long those bulbs might take to ship to the US
verbal shale
to europe is only 10 days
from us I dont know :S
@ivory hound my zigbee network is stable like a rock
but I will try the zzh too see
thats my zigbee network
ivory hound
still i would appreciate if anyone can help me with this issue of mine: how do i make zigbee2mqtt notice lights are on after a power cut?
wraith dew
i also heard good things about the ikea zigbee bulbs
verbal shale
@ivory hound its a really issue, devs must change that in z2m and zha
the pooling state is too long lol
ivory hound
this: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/818609943498063885/822983073943388160/unknown.png?width=884&height=572 doesn't show your zigbee network is stable
verbal shale
I dont like the colors on ika gu10
jolly narwhal
@ivory hound mine do that, and ha adjusts the light if I unplug them
verbal shale
dnt know about e12
ivory hound
@jolly narwhal how? teach me master
jolly narwhal
Haha, I do nothing fancy, z2m just noticed the light comes online
And then ha adjusts it with adaptive lighting
jolly narwhal
Like most of my lights, IKEA trådfri
verbal shale
🤮
ivory hound
so you are telling me you go cut the power to your ikea bulb, leave it 2 mins and when you turn the power on, z2mqtt and ha notices your light is on? @jolly narwhal
jolly narwhal
Yes
jolly narwhal
Or... To be fair, it never noticed it is gone, because I don't use availability polling
verbal shale
this is from a friend that bought the same lights I have, but it uses z2m (14 bulbs)
jolly narwhal
So the light stays on in ha, but ha adjusts it when it comes back
I have played with availability with one bulb
ivory hound
ah no @jolly narwhal do this test, with light off cut the power
jolly narwhal
Just to control my kitchen lights with the ventilator bulb
I can do that later today, just remind me in a few hours
jolly narwhal
Or wait I can do it now
jolly narwhal
Ha definitely doesn't see it come back so far
Might be that it gets adjusted by the ha command against the ZigBee group
Even if it is off, the group command adjusts it
ivory hound
so this is the biggest problem i have with zigbee2mqtt
at least zha see's the light coming on
jolly narwhal
Might be different if I turn off availability for the bulb
ivory hound
i've read but what this do is not clear to me
the way i see it this if is empty
should allow availability reports for all devices
and in my mind that should tell me when device is available and what state is in
no?
jolly narwhal
Yes, it did when I tested it for one bulb
Whenever I turned on my ventilator hood, the light came on
And ha fired an automation
ivory hound
so you added your bulb to availability_passlist, and with bulb off cut the power, when power was restored bulb was seen on by zigbee2mqtt and ha?
jolly narwhal
Yes, and timeout of 10 seconds
It would go "unavailable" when I cut power
And become stateful on when power returned
ivory hound
aaaah
i think
availability_timeout: 10 is what is needed
@jolly narwhal i have to test this, thanks man
jolly narwhal
verbal shale
and zha have this?
austere patio
I can't believe network_key: [1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 13] is still the default
austere patio
🤦♂️
verbal shale
and they will not change it
a new user must guess with a crystal ball 😄
@austere patio
austere patio
Better to have random settings...
hazy kayak
Are there zigbee gateways with ethernet connection? i'm running HomeAssistantOS on a VM which is located on the third floor and we have 20 cm concrete flooring (so the signal has to go through like 40 cm of concrete)
austere patio
Are there zigbee gateways with ethernet connection? i'm running HomeAssistantOS ...
The second and third ones here: https://www.tubeszb.com/shop/2
Though if you put enough routers around, messages will likely find their way to their destination
This won't extend your network over ethernet, just let you put the coordinator in a better spot
hazy kayak
Sorry i'm new to zigbee, does zigbee send out a stronger signal than wifi?
austere patio
Zigbee is a mesh network where individual devices send messages to other devices that will eventually relay them back to the coordinator
hazy kayak
But do lights connected to the gateway extend the zigbee range to other lights for example?
austere patio
Yes
hazy kayak
Wooow that's really cool tho
And what is the default range the signal could reach then?
austere patio
It depends on the pair of devices that are communicating and the environment
But it's lower power than WiFi
tropic depot
when devices sleep correctly 😄
grizzled arrow
Today I received Slae’s stick (NL) so tomorrow I’ll upgrade the Ali stick 😉
austere patio
This is the ideal Zigbee world where everything works perfectly and IKEA fixed those bugs long ago
hazy kayak
I have 40 ikea lights and switched around the house, what zigbee adapter should I use then?
austere patio
As in you already have Trådfri bulbs?
hazy kayak
Yes I do
grizzled arrow
Those act as a router
hazy kayak
And a couple of on off switches and motion sensors to controll the lights and powerplugs
austere patio
Doesn't really matter what adapter you use, the adapters usually don't dictate what specific devices you can use
sour shadow
Mostly it's about performance, and stability
austere patio
But if you use an older one, they will limit how fast you can send messages and how many devices can join the network directly to the coordinator
sour shadow
Just... don't buy a CC2530/31 😄
hazy kayak
And.. what should I buy then haha?
sour shadow
See the pinned message - it depends on your choice of integration
grizzled arrow
Just... don't buy a CC2530/31 😄
I’m upgrading this one to the CC2652RB
sour shadow
If you're on ZHA, https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman/issues/319#issuecomment-789757269 has a good list that includes the age of the chipset
austere patio
TI stuff is about as well supported with ZHA at this point IMO
grizzled arrow
I also used a sonoff Zigbee bridge with Tasmota, but had some dropping connections
hazy kayak
I currently use the ikea bridge but I have no idea what kind of zigbee controller is in there
austere patio
None you can directly access without cracking it open. Bridges are just dumb computers with a Zigbee radio inside. You have more control over everything when you plug the Zigbee radio into your own not-so-dumb computer.
austere patio
I’m upgrading this one to the CC2652RB
If you want to try out my migration tool, PM me. Need a few more testers before I can call it stable 😆
hazy kayak
And what do you recommend, use ZHA? I'm just a noob at this and don't really know what's the best haha
sour shadow
Z2M is my personal choice, but I like having things not in HA
I run Z2M on another computer, and I upgrade when I want, and can downgrade if I need to
Even better, I can use that Z2M setup from multiple HA hosts, so I can have a functional test install
hazy kayak
Yes I get you, and what's the difference with ZHA or DeConz?
sour shadow
Well, ZHA is part of HA
deCONZ is a commercial offering that's not part of HA
See the pinned messages 😉
hazy kayak
I think going with z2m is indeed the best option for me, what zigbee 'router' do you use with it?
sour shadow
Also see the pinned messages 😛
Tube's if you're in North America. ZZH if you're in the UK
Either if you live elsewhere
molten linden
I don't think I am allowed to post recommendations here 🤣 but the link that puddy sent back a few many posts goes to my store.
sour shadow
As does the link in the pinned messages 😉
hazy kayak
Those damn pinned messages I didn't look at 🤣
sour shadow
I'm just seeing how often I get to mention it before you crack and read them 😛
austere patio
Is the Z2M Home Assistant OS addon also using the fixed network key?? https://github.com/zigbee2mqtt/hassio-zigbee2mqtt/blob/d51a8cc8e6edfe7364778073ca47c68ffd59e302/zigbee2mqtt/config.json#L49
sour shadow
It probably defaults to it, but I'd expect it could be changed
austere patio
Bad Z2M
hazy kayak
I'm just seeing how often I get to mention it before you crack and read them 😛
You won 🥲
austere patio
Not network keys
sour shadow
Then... I'm sure the project would love you to help there 😉
austere patio
Breaks a lot of Z2M I think with the addon
sour shadow
There's reasons I don't use add-ons 😛
molten linden
Fedex won't give me a delivery estimate on the PCB boards for ethernet coordinators, but they made it to North America today and are back in the air probably to Memphis. so hopefully more stock soon.
hazy kayak
I think i'm going to order the thing from the lama firm, do I need something to go with it?