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mellow geode
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The quirk uses the IKEA LightLink custom cluster

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That should bind the device to the 0x0000 group (and create it if not existing), as other devices couldn’t be directly bound to the coordinator and needed this group afaik

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Hence they are doing broadcasts

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Perhaps rejoining did correctly add it to the group this time?

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Although you mentioned this. Mhm

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Or perhaps it joined via another router this time?

quick hare
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Yeah I checked in Wireshark, it still want to talk directly to 0x0000

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Mhhh until now it only did thru the coordinator.

mellow geode
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Ah ok

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I guess you can also go in another room and only permit joins through a router there (and hope that it doesn’t switch to the coordinator)

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Perhaps that makes a difference

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Just guessing though

quick hare
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Yeah I taught about that. It solved an issue in the past about a device.. But at that point, if I need to do that the device is just worth returning. lol

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I’ll try after.

mellow geode
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Yeah, I’ll try to pickup the device when IKEA stores open here again (Germany)

quick hare
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Will they stay closed for a long time still?

mellow geode
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Probably

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Also want to pickup the new Tradfri color bulbs (even though they still have the lockup issue)

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And maybe some dimmer switches (and perhaps the Symfonisk remote…)

quick hare
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Oh yeah that’s exactly why i¥m dumping them. It’s unsuportable.

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Oh forget about the symfonisk remote.. It’s so noisy that it’s unusable.

mellow geode
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Yeah, I’ve heard that

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Wanted to try it via direct binding but I perhaps that’s also not that great

quick hare
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I don’t know it this device has the clusters for that.

mellow geode
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I‘m pretty sure it does as MattWestB has the old model of that and uses it for directly binding to a light

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Same rotation/dimming functionality but can’t click to toggle the light

quick hare
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Huh interesting.

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So.... I can’t get it to send it only one event. 😦

quick hare
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I forgot to look there.

urban fractal
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Has anyone experienced what seems like rapid battery drain on an aqara door sensor before? Im using zha and i only installed it a week ago and it already says 94%, it was 100% when I installed it. Not sure if its accurate or not

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Unless its reporting the wrong battery

austere patio
urban fractal
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Awesome, i was thinking that was the case

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Do you use any specific repeaters that would work with the aqara door sensor? Im looking around and not sure which ones will work

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Would like to get a stronger network overall as my zigbee stick is pretty far away

delicate fossil
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I just updated and now a lot of my zigbee devices that had custom quirk handlers are throwing errors

TypeError: handle_cluster_request() got an unexpected keyword argument 'dst_addressing'
austere patio
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What errors?

austere patio
austere patio
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As in quirks that you manually dumped into the Python module?

delicate fossil
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@austere patio yes

austere patio
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Only one I know of is that Wyze lock

delicate fossil
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@austere patio that is what i am working with

urban fractal
delicate fossil
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it feels like a signature somewhere changed

austere patio
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But if you're manually adding quirks and the API changes, you kinda have to update your manually-edited code

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In this case I think just adding a dst_addressing argument to the function referenced by that error should be enough

delicate fossil
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@austere patio it looks like ```
def handle_message(self, hdr, args, dst_addressing):

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@austere patio okay that is what I am thinking. Where can i get updates on api changes? that would affect this?

austere patio
delicate fossil
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@austere patio ah ok. I think that is where I got lost.

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@austere patio thank you for helping me confirm!

austere patio
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No problem

mellow geode
radiant moth
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First post. I recently switched from CC2531, which I found flaky on my hass OS + RPi4 instance, to Sonoff Zigbee Bridge. It works fine, but if it power cycles it doesn't retain the TCPStart 8888 command. I tried reinstalling the OTA firmware from arendst and running the command again to reboot with TCPStart, but it doesn't make a difference.
https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/R896rVMCgQ/

sour shadow
radiant moth
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Thank you. Done.

sour shadow
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Thank you, those on mobile/with small screens/large text will be grateful 😉

cloud pendant
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Im trying to bind a ikea on/off button to a group of lights via zha,
I created a group for the lights, and via that i can turn them on/off together.
then on the button i did manage cluster>group bindings>kitchen lights>OnOff, and pressed bind.
and nothing happens and the button doesnt work.
the goal is to bind them in a group so they can work independent of status of zha

azure tinsel
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Im trying to build my own zigbee motion detector with battery using a an ESP8266 board Wemos D1 mini. Does some one know a zigbee module that works with ESP? And are there any tutorials on how to program this in ESP home?

austere patio
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What purpose would the ESP module serve if you're going to be using Zigbee?

amber gull
strange ibex
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@amber gull i appreciate the ping and your PR. Have a good one.

tardy tapir
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Running ZHA - can I rename the ZHA groups that I create so they to not include the ZHA suffix?

vale dirge
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Hi. I bought a zigbee switch (from the aqara brand), but I don't know what is the "proper" way to assign the actions of the buttons to a device (a light)

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I'm using a zigbee2mqtt adatapter together with Homeassistant

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I guess I could go to homeassistant, create a new automation, and assign a button to an action, but I don't know if that's the correct way

mellow geode
austere patio
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Ember Version: 5.3.0.0

leaden tiger
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I'm about to migrate from ZHA conbee, to ZHA zig-a-zig-ah!, any gotchas? is it a good change?

austere patio
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You'll have to re-form your network unless you yank the settings out of the deCONZ UI

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But otherwise it works fine

mighty river
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Hi there,
anyone else has the same problem with Immax Keyfob-ZB3.0 as me with ZHA Integration and Sonoff Zigbee Bridge with Tasmota?
I just can't get any zha_events while listening :/
Any help would be appreciated 🙂

pale vale
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Anyone ever have issues with the Aqara motion sensors constantly dropping off of ZHA?

analog ember
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I did with z2m, not with ZHA. I suggest making sure they have a good connection by making your network stronger using supported routers

pale vale
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The one I have is sitting right next to a tradfri bulb. I think I'm going to go replace the battery for good measure.

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But it seems to last for about a week and then it just stops responding.

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I'm considering doing the mod that decreases the interval between updates, because it seems like it goes into deep sleep and ZHA marks it as dead.

pale vale
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Well, it's re-paired with the network. We'll see what happens.

austere patio
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I'd double check with the network map to see what its parent is and re-join it to the network if it picks a really bad parent by using the "join via this device" button

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If you're using a Texas Instruments coordinator with ZHA then that button won't work properly at the moment so you'll have to click that button on both the target router and the coordinator itself (and hope the Aqara sensor doesn't pick the coordinator)

pale vale
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According to the ZHA map, it's not connected to anything. So that's awesome.

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I have never seen the "join via this device" before. Where is that at? Because I'll totally join it to the repeater that it's literally right next to.

austere patio
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Same page as the "remove device" button. Instead of clicking the blue button on the bottom right, click on a specific router.

fading ether
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Hi

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I am noticing a weird API problem related to a Zigbeen device and am hoping that somehere can provide guidance.

austere patio
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What's the problem?

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And what Zigbee integration and hardware are you using?

fading ether
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Okay so my Zigbee device (Aqara water sensor) dropped offline last night. No problem, it reconnected. My zigbee device us USBZB1.

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Anyway, the device page shows that the device connected at 20:39 which makes sense.

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If I query the same device via the HASS API, it says that the last update was 7:16AM.

austere patio
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The timestamp displayed on the device page is the most accurate, since it's set when the device last sends something or a request to it succeeds

fading ether
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That makes sense, but I am trying to understand why the API is different. I am trying to write Python code using the API to alert on outages.

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It seems pointless if the API data is inaccurate.

austere patio
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Does ZHA not have this built in? It'll mark devices unavailable if they don't check in

fading ether
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It will but I want to then trigger an alert.

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There probably is a way, but I want to do it with something like 9 devices.

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I am still concerned that the API does not appear to accurately reflect the status

austere patio
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I'm not too familiar with HA core but I think you should be able to see all device state changes, including the one that occurred at 7:16AM

fading ether
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Okay. I will ask over in the core chat. Thank you!

austere patio
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That might give you an indication of what changed with the state

fading ether
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Hmm, I will check that out too

urban fractal
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Under visualization for ZHA, if my device has a link to the coordinator and a value of 255 thats as strong as the signal gets correct?

amber gull
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@urban fractal Yes

urban fractal
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thank you

amber gull
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@fading ether I do proactive pings to capable devices via the WS API. Battery powered devices I wait for ZHA to mark them offline and then notify on that

subtle linden
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I restored a snapshot of HA on a new machine, and more than half of my zigbee devices are working but many of them are unavailable. Is there something I can kick to get them talking again?

Edit: re-pairing worked

mighty river
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Hi there,
anyone else has the same problem with Immax Keyfob-ZB3.0 as me with ZHA Integration and Sonoff Zigbee Bridge with Tasmota?
I just can't get any zha_events while listening :/
Any help would be appreciated 🙂

tacit drift
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Hello, do you still use the pijuice? Is there any intehgration in HomeAssistant?

thorny phoenix
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any recommendation for gx53 bulb with zigbee?

hushed elbow
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Hiya, have been having some weirdness since switching over to ZHA with my hue lights. I am sending the turn off service but intermittently the lights simply don't turn off, or turn off then promptly turn back on...

It does appear to log an error but no idea what it means:

Logger: zigpy_deconz.api
Source: /usr/local/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zigpy_deconz/api.py:307
First occurred: February 21, 2021, 11:27:08 PM (212 occurrences)
Last logged: 9:45:40 PM

No response to 'Command.aps_data_indication' command with seq id '0x50'
No response to 'Command.aps_data_indication' command with seq id '0x59'
No response to 'Command.aps_data_indication' command with seq id '0x18'
No response to 'Command.aps_data_indication' command with seq id '0x8b'
No response to 'Command.aps_data_indication' command with seq id '0x48'
ivory hound
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hey @gentle flint sry to disturb you, just wanted to ask you something. I have an Elelabs-ELU013 with efr32mg13p-v8-6820-115200.gbl on it, and wanted to try efr32mg13p-v8-6780-sw-115200.gbl
Add 6.7.8.0 NCP images for Elelabs because is newer seems. My question is: is it better? I see the version is lower, seem that in this case higher version is not necessary newer.

fleet lodge
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Anyone awake?>

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I've had 37 direct children join my ZZH but now I am no longer able to add devices. They are all failing to pair with ZZH. Anyone have an inkling as to why this may be hapenning?

ivory hound
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maybe you've reached the limit?

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do you have any routers or only children?

sour shadow
gentle flint
ivory hound
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ty

wide cove
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Anyone know how often the map in the network visualization tab updates in zha?

austere patio
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What do the logs show?

fleet lodge
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@austere patio nothing shows in logs

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The ZZH is totally ambivalent to it all at this point

golden vessel
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in ZHA, how are groups updated? Do we request all group info from all devices on boot, or do we store it on ZHA side?

amber gull
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@golden vessel You create a binding to the group cluster that sends a ZCL read attribute from 0x000 to cluster 0x01 that in turn starts iteration across all endpoints and serial transmits a academic text on software architecture

golden vessel
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I was missing that last part 🤣

amber gull
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lol

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I have never dug into the code, but I believe I have seen outside created groups enumerated before by ZHA

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I would assume when the devices are initialized or HA starts, ZHA reads the group table from each device

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It stores some meta information about the group (user name) and current group membership

carmine zodiac
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Two sensors, same model, same location, both eventually disconnect from ZHA/HUSBZB-1. It's unlikely that they're both defective, especially considering that I bought them from different vendors. Is the SNZB-02 just that unreliable in general or is my configuration wrong? Previously this channel suggested two other ways of pairing the sensors, but I'm still having issues. What humidity sensor can I use instead?

https://i.imgur.com/FyE7W2a.png (ignore the rooms, both are still sitting together on a table in the same room)

sour shadow
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The Xiaomi Aqara sensors work well in my experience

carmine zodiac
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it's not totally clear to me whether they will work with other-brand zigbee hubs, since I've read that they break the standard

sour shadow
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Well, if you were using a hub it might be a problem, but you're using ZHA so... you're not using a hub 😉

carmine zodiac
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HUSBZB-1 is not a hub?

sour shadow
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No

carmine zodiac
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o rly

sour shadow
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It's a USB stick

carmine zodiac
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so when they say "requires aqara hub" I can ignore that?

sour shadow
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Yes

carmine zodiac
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excellent

sour shadow
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Like Hue lights "require" a Hue hub

carmine zodiac
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ah

sour shadow
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HA is your "hub"

carmine zodiac
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I was misled because when I search for other zigbee devices, they just say works with zigbee

sour shadow
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Looks it

carmine zodiac
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great, ty

sour shadow
carmine zodiac
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do you think the SNZB-02 is just unreliable in general or is there other configuration I can check?

austere patio
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I had a similar experience with them so it could be that they're just weird like that

sour shadow
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No idea, I don't use it or ZHA, or that USB stick you use 😄

carmine zodiac
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😛

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what about generic aspects to consider

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like distance to the stick, repeaters available

austere patio
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Z2M people don't do that here 😆. If it works, it's because of Z2M. If it doesn't work, it's because you're not using Z2M.

sour shadow
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(well, maybe not)

austere patio
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And if it doesn't work and you're using Z2M then you're doing it wrong

carmine zodiac
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haha

sour shadow
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Check the LQI, see if the value is stable and above zero

carmine zodiac
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send elevator pitch to woo me to Z2M

sour shadow
carmine zodiac
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you're not making a good case for it

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😛

austere patio
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I had a similar experience with a CC2652R on ZHA so it's probably just the device. I'll have to setup a permanent sniffer like Walt and check the logs when it happens

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They are Z-Stack 3 CC2530s after all

amber gull
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The flaky 2530s and the fact that they don't have OTA clusters, so bugs can never be fixed scares me on the sonoff stuff

carmine zodiac
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#1: LQI 255
#2: LQI 211

sour shadow
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255 can mean I have no idea

carmine zodiac
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shit

amber gull
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but then I also use aqara, no OTA/firmware updates either, super picky -- but I guess they are a known entity these days

carmine zodiac
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RSSI is not bad though, #1: -79, #2: -88

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what's the significance of LQI?

austere patio
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RSSI is last hop, as is LQI on TI radios

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LQI on SiLabs is based on other network info and is more useful than just the signal strength to the router

sour shadow
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TBH worry about stable more than raw numbers

amber gull
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LQI was supposed to reliability indicator -- no one uses it or cares any more

austere patio
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(apparently you can enable useful LQI in Z-Stack)

sour shadow
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I have some devices with an LQI down around 20, and some up around 180

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All of them work just fine

carmine zodiac
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rightmost point is today after re-pair

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anyway I'll order the aqara hygrometer

austere patio
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The battery status is self reported for that device I believe

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Could be that that battery voltage drops a lot while it's using a lot of energy scanning for a network

carmine zodiac
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good idea

sour shadow
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I also see the values that are reported in normal use fluctuate a lot

austere patio
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Like with aqara sensors, they will be on your network for like two years but if they are ever removed they won't have enough juice to scan again

carmine zodiac
austere patio
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I only have aqara because that's what I loaded up on before realizing ZHA did not support them years ago 😄

carmine zodiac
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ah

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why Z2M over ZHA?

amber gull
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Software Architecture

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Decoupled

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You can do fun stuff on zigbee while Home Assistant is down

austere patio
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On the other hand, ZHA supports more radio hardware, lets you manually do low level Zigbee stuff, and has better logging

carmine zodiac
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what sort of fun stuff?

amber gull
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I'm still trying to figure that out

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You can't go wrong with either, in all honesty

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There are no magic tricks in either that makes it superior

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z2m has a bigger use base which is an advantage, odd ball stuff will tend to be supported there first

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zha assumes devices will follow the spec, so many new things work with ZHA right away,

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z2m will require all new stuff to be added via handler to their monolithic devices.js

carmine zodiac
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ahh

amber gull
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z2m lets you do multiple instances, zha doesn't directly without going through hoops

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z2m is ahead on zgp, ias stuff (green power switches and security gear)

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Adding devices to z2m is probably easier for the average person

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Adding devices to ZHA is arguably more powerful and flexible though, as you can almost do anything

carmine zodiac
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thanks for your detail 🙂

amber gull
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hey, we're just getting started, lol 😜

carmine zodiac
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😛

amber gull
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You have spent way too many of your billable hours on these humidity sensors my friend

carmine zodiac
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you are right

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I'm stubborn

amber gull
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I forget, they were both direct joined to coordinator -- did you ever get debug logs of them going offline?

austere patio
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Zigbee only works with enough frustration in the air

carmine zodiac
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I'll check the debug logs in a little while, I've got to start work

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🙂

amber gull
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k -- can't find it now, but on reddit someone posted the aqara stuff in a professional hydrogmeter calibration bag

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they measured within a few % which I thought was impressive

carmine zodiac
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Nice

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Welp, just ordered a bunch of aqara sensors

cloud pendant
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Someone had success in binding ikea open/close remote to ikea fyrtur blind? I created a group for the fyrtur, then group bind the remote to it (it says success in the log) , but nothing happens when i use the remote

golden vessel
molten linden
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I have some of my zigbee-to-ethernet coordinators available based on the 2652p2 they work with zha and z2m. @amber gull has been running one for like a month and hasn't complained to me about software architecture . docs are on my GitHub and a link to my store is there. https://github.com/tube0013/tube_gateways

naive ivy
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Anyone else ever have an OSRAM A19 RGBW fail after about a month? I'm hoping it's a fluke but now I'm afraid for all the other bulbs I've installed. Like $100 worth of bulbs.

vocal grotto
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hi all. i'm playing with these Visonic MCT-320 contact sensors for an old Xfinity install. looks like there was some discussion here about them back in Oct 2020 that summed up what i've been beating my head against the past couple of days: they're not compliant. i wanted try my hand at crafting a ZHA quirk, but i don't know enough about the expected behavior of zigbee and the tolerance i can hope to achieve with a quirk given this device's behavior. i also hate creating walls of text but i'm apparently good at it. it appears that the device sends a message when attempting to pair that advertises an input cluster of 0x0, and later follows that with messages referencing cluster 0x0500 (1280). ZHA reports Received ZCL while uninitialized on endpoint 1 ..., and Uninitialized device command 'Command.Read_Attributes_rsp args: [[]]. would i be able to have it match the signature with the 0x0 cluster id and replace it with the 0x0500 IAS cluster id? or am i missing something

naive ivy
analog ember
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I have a tradfri wireless led controller connected to HA using ZHA. it worked great for the past 2 months but now it suddenly stopped with reporting state & controlling. The light is on currently but ha reports off, also when turing it on it goes back to off again. I know repairing will probably fix the issue but what could be the cause?

austere patio
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Have you rebooted the bulb?

amber gull
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@analog ember Possibly the infamous IKEA firmware bug? If you reboot (remove power) to the controller, does it come back to life?

grim finch
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Today my zigbee network went down, too. All devices at the same time. Tried to reboot, rejoin device, reboot without coordinator plugged in. Nothing helped. After 3h one single device came back online (haven't tried to reconnect this one). All other devices remain not responsive. (using zha)

austere patio
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Debug logs for ZHA would be useful

grim finch
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Is there a way to filter out only zha logs?

austere patio
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Filter with zha|zigpy using grep or something (case insensitive)

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It's all in your home-assistant.log file

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Would be easier though if you uploaded the whole thing after redacting personal info

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Including or excluding random lines usually removes all useful information from tracebacks, which span multiple lines

full junco
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I've just added a radiator valve via a Zigbee bridge. Its appeared and paired ok. But it hasn't added any entities. So I'm not sure what to do with it - any ideas?

fleet lodge
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Blew up my ZZH today

austere patio
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Not letting more devices join?

fleet lodge
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blew up my ZZH
replaced with LAUNCHPAD-XL
and now as you can see, the mesh is not optimal

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I haven't counted yet, but I'm pretty sure I've maxed out the LAUNCHPAD-XL at 50 devices

austere patio
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They're the same chip

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LAUNCHXL board just has a debugger and takes up 10x the space

fleet lodge
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I know. But the ZZH is toast now. Going to have to install with LAUNCHPAD-XL lololol.

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Any tips on how I can get these devices to talk to the zigbee routers?

austere patio
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If you have any old logs your network settings may have been logged

fleet lodge
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Good point

austere patio
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Or if you have an nvram backup

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Otherwise you'll have to reform it

fleet lodge
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Any tips on off-loading devices from Zigbee coordinator?

austere patio
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Shut off the coordinator for a while? I wouldn't worry about it. I think the coordinator just indicates to new devices that it won't permit new joins but will accept indirect joins just fine

fleet lodge
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coordinator should facilitate indirect joins / interviews / pairs from routers for new devices?

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Even @ 50 Child Max?

austere patio
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200 is the hard limit I think

fleet lodge
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Right right

sour shadow
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Well, the indirect limit is about 65K

austere patio
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You'd need like, 2MB of flash for that? Is such a thing even possible?

sour shadow
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Sure, it's just routes 😉

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Routes != devices

austere patio
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For ZB3 it stores a lot more info

sour shadow
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Which is why there's a limit of 200 3.0 devices

austere patio
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Well, a little more but enough to exhaust the puny flash space

dry fossil
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If I get the right stick, can I just download more RAM?

austere patio
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If you can get it offloading some storage to the host over serial, sure 😄

fading moth
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I ordered 2x CC2652R zigbee sticks from slae.sh as per suggestion on this group. However, the shipment got returned to the sender and I am 80 EUR lighter without receiving the items. I tried to contact Slaesh Sascha multiple times, both through e-mail and Telegram but no response whatsoever. It's been several weeks now.
So, I'd appreciate if someone can help with contacting the guy, and for the rest of you, be careful not to lose the money as I did.

vivid plover
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ahh they are CC2531

full junco
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Has anyone used Sasswell devices over zigbee?

radiant moth
austere patio
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I see people say they get corrupted or something like that but other than a manufacturing defect I'm not really sure what that really is

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Mine do lock up every once in a while and need to be unplugged to function again but that's likely a firmware bug

grand abyss
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I had my old cc2531 lock up a couple of times but swapped to a slae.sh (that arrived fast and with no trouble btw) 2 weeks ago and had no issues so far.

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Moved over all my stuff from the ikea hub now too zigbee2mqtt, just a couple buttons left to migrate. Was afraid of going over the 20 limit on the 2531.

austere patio
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You can have many more than 20

grand abyss
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Yeah I guess it’s just an arbitrary number that I have seen floating around.

austere patio
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It's 20 or something children but other routers increase the limit

full junco
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Do you get a lot more control with zigbee2mqtt Vs Zigbee Home Automation?

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I guess things either work or don't work with Zigbee Home Automation

austere patio
full junco
austere patio
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Some devices join the network but fall asleep before ZHA has time to ask them for identifying information

full junco
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Oh right

austere patio
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But you would see the device show up as an unknown model and an unknown manufacturer

full junco
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Yep that's what's happening

radiant moth
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With z2m I just had to take my time and pair everything individually. Only had trouble with one Lidl device and fixed that with a lot of research and a steep learning curve. ZHA didn’t seem quite as willing with the pairing but still fairly easy. By using the same device and entity names I didn’t have to change Lovelace or node red at all.

full junco
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Is there a workaround?

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Hmm I'll try re interviewing

radiant moth
leaden tiger
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Migrating from conbee 2 ZHA to zig-ah-zig-ah ZHA went smoothly, of course I had to re-pair everything. My Aqara leak sensors show up as Dry or Wet, rather than off and on like it was with the conbee 2

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But maybe that could have been fixed by re-paring as is 🤷‍♂️

fading ether
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My Aqara sensors are wet/dry too.

leaden tiger
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I didn't have a particular reason to switch, the conbee 2 was a stable coordinator, but a friend was buying a zig-a-zig-ah!  so I decided to add to the order

fading ether
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I use a HUSBZB-1 myself and quite like it especially since it supports both zigbee and z-wave.

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I had a raw 2531 board before and that was rough.

carmine zodiac
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Gotta love same day delivery

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Got my aqara sensors

carmine zodiac
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well I'll try it now

trim surge
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hey all, im trying to figure out how to create an automation for a lutron connected bulb remote paried with zigbee2mqtt. i've got the up and down buttons working, but on/off both report brightness_move_to_level action; i see in the logs that its reporting an action_level but I can't figure out how to use that in the automation

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can anyone lend a hand? im brand new to this but am a quick learner

fleet lodge
# fading moth I ordered 2x CC2652R zigbee sticks from slae.sh as per suggestion on this grou...

I'm very sorry. This is very disappointing. I've been a very large detractor of slaesh's efforts in a few different communities and I've always caught flack from his allies. Although the guy runs a public blog of his efforts, he's shady in his dealings. His emails are toothless and pay only lip service. I was fortunate enough to receive a refund on my purchase but the entire customer experience was awful. I've heard your story all too many times. I think Koenkk should reconsider suggesting his stick. I'd pay 3X on ZZH's over slaesh's sticks.

jolly narwhal
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cc1352p2 > *

primal ibex
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Anyone succeeded in connecting the MI Power Socket to Conbee2?..

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It gets it as a Light in Deconz..

ivory hound
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@primal ibex that is normal

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but you will see it as a plug in ha

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you can turn it on / off etc

primal ibex
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Ok.. and now all I have to do to get the sensors that were too far from the Conbee2 to connect to the socket, is just click thier "connect button"?

ivory hound
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i wouldn't know how to start explaining how zigbee works because you did not mention what exactly do you use

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in the title says what to mention so ppl can help

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conbee 2 works with conbee or zha not sure about zigbee2mqtt

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so yah

primal ibex
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I'm not working with zigbee2mqtt.. but I've understand that zigbee is a mesh network, and that the smart plug can use as an extender, no?

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I use Conbee2 stick, with the deconz addon In ha

sour shadow
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Right, deCONZ then 😉

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That matters

primal ibex
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Meaning wouldn't work?

ivory hound
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ok so is deconz, well there are 3 type of zigbee devices

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one is the coordinator: your conbee 2 stick

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there are the routers: that usually are powered by external power sources and those also serve as for other devices called children to router their messages to the coordinator

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and there are children that usually are zigbee powered by battery

primal ibex
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OK, so it seems I've got all 3, right? Conbee2, Smart-plug & the Door/window sensor?..

ivory hound
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now knowing that you also should know that aqara / xiaomi devices usually don't make it good routers

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this is because zigbee spec is not really respected and usually when a xiaomi / aqara device connects to a router / coordinator tends to stay on that one, and if disconnects then is stay disconnected

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this is not happening on all of them

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so yes basically your plug should act as a router and extend your network

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but you have to look on the info from internet see what works and what doesn't

primal ibex
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So when I press the button on the Window/Door sensor, it would connect to it.. Should I try to remove it from the Addon and Rejoin it?

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Because the Plug does connect to the Conbee2..

ivory hound
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my take is this

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do the fallowing

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make sure the plug is paired in conbee

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and then go add the door sensor but do it in place, where the sensor will be used

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it will pair to conbee or plug itself do not worry about it

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then if you notice sensor drops from network all the time, you will know is not working very well and you should look for other routing options (like bulbs)

primal ibex
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Alright, thanks.
Going to try removing the sensor and re-adding it.

sour shadow
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Interestingly I've noticed that my Aqara devices that are connected to Zigbee 3.0 routers are happy to re-route, but the ones connected to the Zigbee 1.2 routers aren't - though that may also be a feature of the coordinator being 3.0 vs 1.2 shrug

ivory hound
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yah zigbee 3.0 should be preferred because zigbee aliance imposed more strict rules and they work way better

sour shadow
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I just want the Aqara T1 stuff to be released 😄

ivory hound
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on zigbee 3.0 manufacturers can not go off spec so easly

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I think i have one of that aqara t1 sensors

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not sure

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i keep hearing about it

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but dont know exactly what are those t1

sour shadow
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I was digging the other day and it looks like it's not for online sale yet

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Basically, the T1 devices are the Zigbee 3.0 versions of the older ones

ivory hound
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i have a aqara illumination zigbee 3.0 sensor that was tagged t1

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and works great

sour shadow
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Yeah, I have one of those too, I'll be buying more of them

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Every bit as good as my expensive Z-Wave sensors

ivory hound
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yah the way i see it the only thing that z-wave has over zigbee is the good frequency

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is not on wifi frequency

sour shadow
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Well, Zigbee 3.0 does support the ISM bands

ivory hound
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ism bands? do tell

sour shadow
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It just needs somebody to release those devices, for all the various global markets

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ISM - that's the bands that Z-Wave uses

ivory hound
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interesting :d

sour shadow
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The challenge is that pretty much no Zigbee sticks support it - I think there's one TI chipset, but it's not the popular one

ivory hound
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now returning to aqara sensors

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i have Aqara Temperature and Humidity and is killing me, from the time i changed the original battery on 2 of them

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they cew on batterys fast

primal ibex
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Nope.. the sensor wouldn't connect.. as if it's not reaching the Conbee2 , and isn't aware of the smart plug..

ivory hound
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i don't even know what to believe anymore

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@primal ibex get yourself ikea bulbs as routers for example

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try one see how it works for you

primal ibex
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Yeah, guess I will, tho I already have this plug.. hoped it works.. :/

ivory hound
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i use ZHA

sour shadow
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I have three, all are ok on Zigbee2MQTT

ivory hound
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i dont know what is going on, changed til now 4 batterys on those 2 sensors and they are again 41%

sour shadow
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All three are down to around 25% to 31% right now, but I don't know how fresh the batteries were when they went in a year ago

ivory hound
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yah i think i'll keep them like this just to see if they deplete battery complete

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the thing is they went from 100% to 41% in 1 week

sour shadow
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Mine all dropped "normally"

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But then I'm used to my Z-Wave multi-sensor eating batteries like there's no tomorrow 😛

ivory hound
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no those keep me on original battery like 1 or 2 years

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and percentage on them is always 100% until it starts dropping (is calculate by voltage on battery)

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so basically it should keep me showing 100% battery for at least 1 year

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but with new battery ... bam .... 1 week 41%

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i think in the latest versions of ha somebody maybe played with this and that's why, have to check

mellow geode
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It currently matches the Hue Smart button quirk

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I guess MODELS_INFO should be added to all Hue remote quirks (because everyone is missing it)

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Looks like the new one can finally bound to more than one device.

mellow geode
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I saved some scenes on a Hue light (endpoint 11)

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When pressing the "Hue" button on the new dimmer switch (which just cycles through scenes with Group ID: 13619 using the Recall command), nothing happens

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because the Dimmer switch uses endpoint 1 and not 11.

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I've used Direct Binding (and Unbinding is still somehow broken (for me) in the latest zigpy-znp release (will try to figure out why later))

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Would it make a difference if I both put them in a group?

torn saffron
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Hi there. Sorry if this is an asinine question: but can two Zigbee router devices interfere with each other if they are really close?

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(Together in a wall socket)

sour shadow
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In theory, yes if they're poorly shielded - they shouldn't be though if they got through certification

dry fossil
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I have two next to each other and they've been okay.

amber gull
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@ivory hound They only report voltage back from the battery (and on the analog input cluster too) so they are wildly inaccurate -- I would just recommend running them till the drop -- I have some that have been installed for three years and are at ~ 40%

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@mellow geode Never seen any direct bindings that required group membership to even function

tardy tapir
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Hi all! I am experiencing problems with my zigbee-network. Devices are becoming unavailable. I am using ZHA. How can I troubleshoot this?

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Is there any interface other than the ZHA integration page that can help me?

austere patio
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Enable debug logging and see what the logs say about why devices are unavailable

tardy tapir
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how do i endable debug logging for ZHA?

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found it, thanks puddly

civic ocean
amber gull
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It's blasting events/moves while the button is being held down

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When you let go it, it stops

civic ocean
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@amber gull I thought so too but I am watching events in zha_event and only see 1 event for holding and 1 event for releasing

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unless the event dev tool doesnt show dupe events then that might not be it

amber gull
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True, you should see a move and then a stop actually -- I was thinknig of the symfonisk

civic ocean
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Yep, a move then a stop - thats what I see

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selfishly I am trying to reuse the logic from this blueprint elsewhere for the press and hold functionality - but I cant seem to piece together how it stops the repeat loop when I release

amber gull
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Yeah, I don't use the built in automation engine or blue prints so not much help, sorry

mellow geode
# amber gull <@!773609067264344105> Never seen any direct bindings that required group member...

Yeah. The older Hue dimmers can only be bound one group. (Afaik not even a directly to a device but I'm not sure about that)
The new Hue dimmer can be bound to the coordinator and to a device. The ON/OFF button sends ON/OFF in an alternating way which is kinda stupid because you need to press the button twice sometimes (at least on ZHA: like with the Hue smart button) when directly bound. (Perhaps the Hue Bridge is doing something different?)
Now, the direct binding works with ON/OFF and brightness changes. However, the "Hue" button (to change the scene) doesn't work.
It sends the Scenes: restore (when listening to zha_event) with Group Id: 13619 and Scene Id: 0 (and 1 when the Hue button is pressed a second time).
I saved some scenes onto the Hue light I'm trying to control it with (by creating a group with the ID: 13619 and then saving the scene).
This works if I manually restore it. But the Hue button doesn't work directly. I guess I'll need to sniff the traffic to see what it actually sends.
Just thought that because endpoint_id is 1 in the zha_events (and the light has endpoint_id 11 there might be a difference but the on/off commands -- which are working -- also seem to be sent with endpoint_id: 1).

amber gull
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Would be interesting to see a traffic sniff of the remote joined to a hue hub as well

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I assume on the hue ecosystem they also don't support direct binding? Seems a big oversight, but perhaps they only test in their ecosystem

mellow geode
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Almost everything works "out of the box" with ZHA. Just not the Hue button

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And apparently the group ID (that the dimmer sends) changes which each rejoin

mellow geode
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I assume that the pre-defined scenes are all saved on it

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oh

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Got it working

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It looks like you need to:

  1. Create a group (with the group id that can be seen either by sniffing or in the zha_event when pressing the hue dimmer button)
  2. Save a scene to it (current state)
  3. Press the Hue button and see the light change the color
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This time, I put the the lights in a Zigbee group (after first resetting the dimmer because Device Unbinding seems to not correctly work even with latest dev zigpy-znp)

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and that seems to have worked way better than direct binding.

austere patio
mellow geode
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I guess it could be that the dimmer has issues but I also had issues unbinding the Hue dimmer v1 from the coordinator. I'm pretty sure that worked with my Elelabs stick (and bellows)

austere patio
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So only when the device is joined to the coordinator?

mellow geode
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Eh. When I join a Hue dimmer v1 (which can only be bound to one device/group at a time), I'm seemingly unable to unbind it from the coordinator in order to bind it to a group.

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I'll test again and grab some logs

austere patio
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If there are any delivery errors see if the coordinator even tries sending a packet

mellow geode
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(My Hue dimmer v1 is also "constantly" disconnecting and reconnecting (long blinking red light) even though it's in a room with like 5 hue bulbs)

austere patio
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I seem to remember there being a similar thing with some other Hue device that expected a ZCL default response or something but didn't get one

mellow geode
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Might be an issue with Z-Stack but it still seems to occur

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--

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Here's an unbind (and some other stuff) from the Zigbee coordinator (with a Hue dimmer v1)

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This seems to be what's needed so it can be bound to a group

austere patio
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ZDO.UnBindRsp.Callback(Src=0x577A, Status=<Status.NO_ENTRY: 136>)?

mellow geode
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~~ I guess that means it's not even bound to it?~~ Not sure what that means

austere patio
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If the Remote Device is the ZigBee Coordinator or SrcAddress but does not have a Binding Table entry corresponding to the parameters received in the request, a Status of NO_ENTRY is returned

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Hmm. Do the bind and unbind requests contain the same info when sent over the air?

mellow geode
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Just wanted to also grab a log unbinding the Hue Dimmer v2 from a light I've previously bound it to. And last times I tried it, it didn't work and I had to reset the dimmer. Now, it seems to work good.

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The v1 dimmer (and unbinding it from the Coordinator) still doesn't seem to work though.

mellow geode
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ZHA binds the dimmer to the coordinator when joining the Hue dimmer, right?

austere patio
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I've never used Hue so I'm not sure 🤷‍♂️

mellow geode
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Doesn't crash like IKEA bulbs 😉

austere patio
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But I like that feature

jolly narwhal
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Thankfully none of my 60 IKEA bulbs crash

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(that I notice)

austere patio
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If you extensively use groups then you likely won't for quite some time

jolly narwhal
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I do use groups per room mostly

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And do all circadian and on/off with groups

haughty otter
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@jagged geyser admittedly the UI language makes one believe it's a totay system backup, because during the onboarding restore UI, it just asked "Do you really want to wipe your system and upload this snapshot?"

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@jagged geyser do you have a "pay me a coffee" page, i see you helping all the time here.

jagged geyser
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@haughty otter i don't, but thanks anyway!

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and yeah it should probably by worded differently if it says "system"

analog ember
#

I have 3 ikea tradfri on/off remotes that all dropped of my network. I have other devices near them that didn't. I know aqara devices have some issues sometimes with dropping of but ikea? What could be the cause?

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Okay seems like a new battery made them work again, but how can this happen to all 3 of them at the same time?

golden vessel
carmine zodiac
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2021-02-24 07:56:07 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.zcl] [0xe05a:1:0x0001] Attribute report received: battery_percentage_remaining=119
🤔

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2021-02-24 14:10:13 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.device] 0xe05a: Attempting to checkin with device - missed checkins: 1
2021-02-24 14:10:17 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.device] [0xe05a] Delivery error for seq # 0x6f, on endpoint id 1 cluster 0x0000: message send failure
2021-02-24 14:11:15 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.device] 0xe05a: Attempting to checkin with device - missed checkins: 2
2021-02-24 14:11:19 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.device] [0xe05a] Delivery error for seq # 0x71, on endpoint id 1 cluster 0x0000: message send failure

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possibly related to my SNZB-02 disconnects

carmine zodiac
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last data point for humidity is at 07:50 but there seems to be one more attribute report for humidity at 08:05

gentle flint
amber gull
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@carmine zodiac Try ```
zha:
zigpy_config:
ezsp_policies:
TRUST_CENTER_POLICY: 3

sour shadow
mighty river
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Im not sure how to get started with ZHA's quirks and writing one for my devices. in particular i have tons of Tuya TS0505A and only on/off is working, zigbee2mqtt seems to fully support it. Would be someone interested in writing a quirk based off this - i'll sponsor it and would pay.

fervent storm
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I keep seeing devices (like from Zemismart) who use a "tuya zigbee hub" - would it be as simple to replace that hub with Home Assistant? (ZHA in my case)

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or does the tuya hub offer more control of the devices? like curtain tracks or blind opener/closer

mighty river
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@fervent storm exactly the devices i try to get quirks for. Some dont use standard endpoints/clusters and need them to function properly

fervent storm
mighty river
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Basic functionality works, in my case the rgb clusters dont work yet but it could be done since it seems to run fine with zb2mqtt, i just have the sonoff bridge so i need to run zha.

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Would love to sponsor some development that zha gets more adoption and traction to be honest

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I live in an area where tuya devices are literally available on the street to buy

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I personally find the way quirks work and the documention hard to understand but will work my way through it if noone likes to take this challenge 😋

austere patio
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You likely just need to find the quick for your class of device and add your manufacturer or model name to the list of devices matched by the quirk

mighty river
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Seems like for my particular rgb+cw bulbs it needs some kind of translation

austere patio
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Though I'm not seeing an RGB bulb in the quirks folder

mighty river
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Seems like it's also used by lidl or so, mine looks a bit different but reports as this model

austere patio
mighty river
austere patio
mighty river
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To take this and make this into a quirk

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😢

austere patio
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What is the exact signature for your device?

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There's a button to show it under the device's page in ZHA

sour shadow
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@mighty river Please delete your codewall and re-read #rules (rule #6) about how to share code correctly (over 15 lines, use a code share site)

mighty river
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sorry for that @sour shadow one second.

sour shadow
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Thanks - posting codewalls creates a crappy experience for those on mobile, with small screens, large fonts, using screen readers...

mighty river
carmine zodiac
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pulled the battery too

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and the slightly-more-reliable SNZB-02 #2 isn't re-pairing either

amber gull
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Maybe keep trying, I don't see any device joins / trust centers in those logs yet

carmine zodiac
amber gull
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You'll need unsecured rejoins allowed though, which I don't believe is by default, based on your previous log where it fell off the network after trying to rejoin

carmine zodiac
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Hmm

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What is unsecured rejoins?

amber gull
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The device rejoins the network with the well known key

carmine zodiac
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Is that a security risk?

amber gull
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You can do some research on EZSP DECISION ID and TRUST CENTER POLICY if you like

carmine zodiac
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Ok

amber gull
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I believe default these days is 9, (it's a bitmask) which disallows unsecured rejoins

carmine zodiac
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I relocated the zigbee stick with an extension cable for good measure

amber gull
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It is a bit of a security risk, but just has to be balanced with everything else

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I believe TI stack and all z2m installs allow unsecured rejoins, but don't quote me on that

carmine zodiac
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Gotcha

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Thanks for your help!

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I'll try that again

amber gull
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👍

carmine zodiac
amber gull
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yeah, it's not actually talking on the network

carmine zodiac
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what do you mean?

amber gull
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it's not online -- see if you can trigger a message and if not rejoin

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You don't technically need to even rejoin to change TRUST CENTER POLICY

carmine zodiac
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oh

amber gull
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it's only evaluated on trust center events (joins and rejoins)

carmine zodiac
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I got a measurement from it this time, so it had to be online, right?

carmine zodiac
amber gull
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You could, but shouldn't need to

carmine zodiac
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ok

amber gull
carmine zodiac
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I know I've wasted more time on this than it's worth but I can't let it win 😛

amber gull
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lol

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the not reliably rejoining is another red flag, of possibly a second issue

carmine zodiac
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that's only happened with policy 3 though

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err

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rejoining as in

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automatic or re-pairing?

amber gull
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well maybe make sure you get the full log egrep -i 0xNEWNWK\|0xOLDNWK\|I:E:E:E:E:E\|trust home-assistant.log

carmine zodiac
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when does NWK change?

amber gull
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everytime you rejoin it

carmine zodiac
#

ok I didn't keep track of all of them so all I've got is this for now:

2021-02-25 09:56:10 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.ezsp.protocol] Send command setConfigurationValue: (<EzspConfigId.CONFIG_TRUST_CENTER_ADDRESS_CACHE_SIZE: 25>, 2)
2021-02-25 09:56:10 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.ezsp.protocol] Send command setPolicy: (<EzspPolicyId.TRUST_CENTER_POLICY: 0>, 3)
2021-02-25 09:56:38 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.ezsp.protocol] Application frame 36 (trustCenterJoinHandler) received: b'bcc486c16922004b120001020000'
2021-02-25 09:56:38 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.zigbee.application] Received trustCenterJoinHandler frame with [0xc4bc, 00:12:4b:00:22:69:c1:86, <EmberDeviceUpdate.STANDARD_SECURITY_UNSECURED_JOIN: 1>, <EmberJoinDecision.DENY_JOIN: 2>, 0x0000]
amber gull
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Yeah, so that's the latest when trying to rejoin with TRUST CENTER POLICY set to 3?

carmine zodiac
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yes

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DENY_JOIN?

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relevant?

amber gull
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Yeah, it should allow it to use the well known key

carmine zodiac
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joined both sensors again with default policy, changed policy to 3, and restarted

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balls, my log is getting overwritten when I restart HA

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not appended

amber gull
#

What firmware are you running on your radio btw?

carmine zodiac
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not sure, how do I find out? HUSBZB-1

amber gull
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it's printed early in the logs when the NCP is initialized

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will be 5.4.1 if you haven't updated

carmine zodiac
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2021-02-25 10:03:36 INFO (MainThread) [bellows.zigbee.application] EZSP Radio board name: HUSBZB-1
2021-02-25 10:03:36 INFO (MainThread) [bellows.zigbee.application] EmberZNet version: 5.4.1.0 build 962

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that?

amber gull
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yup

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checking to see if the decision is diff for EZSP v4

tropic depot
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i'd update to the new firmware... fixes a lot

amber gull
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What am I missing Dave to allow unsecure rejoins on EZSP v4?

tropic depot
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nothing

carmine zodiac
tropic depot
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I think the original firmware has an issue tbh

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but I am not positive

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I have to pull the docs for the mask

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are you sure 3 is the right value?

amber gull
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page 26

tropic depot
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and did you see how he set the config?

amber gull
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Want to paste your zha section of your configuration.yaml @carmine zodiac

tropic depot
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and the logs that dump the applied config at startup pls

carmine zodiac
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it's no more than what you sent:

zha:
  zigpy_config:
    ezsp_policies:
      TRUST_CENTER_POLICY: 3
carmine zodiac
amber gull
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Yup, that looks good

#

If you remove it and restart HA, what's the default policy these days?

carmine zodiac
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I appreciate both of you spending time on this 🙂

#

sec

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2021-02-25 10:17:49 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.ezsp.protocol] Send command setPolicy: (<EzspPolicyId.TRUST_CENTER_POLICY: 0>, <EzspDecisionId.ALLOW_PRECONFIGURED_KEY_JOINS: 1>)

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what should happen when I re-pair while policy is 3?

amber gull
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oh, it's still on 1

carmine zodiac
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unsecured rejoin might be working now, haven't tested that yet

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I paired on default and then changed policy to 3

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so it might stay alive

amber gull
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3 is a bit mask so it should evaulate to 1 -- allow joins AND to 2 -- allow unsecure rejoins

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i.e. 3 shouldn't disallow you from joining, unless I have a fundamental misunderstanding somwhere

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which has happened before 😆

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feel free to run on 3, keep your logs verbose, let's see what happens next

#

then can also try firmware upgrade on the radio too

carmine zodiac
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TRUST_CENTER_POLICY defaults to ALLOW_PRECONFIGURED_KEY_JOINS?

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= 0x01?

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is that the same as EZSP_DECISION_ALLOW_JOINS from the doc?

amber gull
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I believe so

carmine zodiac
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why doesn't it show the computed states when I set it to 3?

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(<EzspPolicyId.TRUST_CENTER_POLICY: 0>, 3) vs.
(<EzspPolicyId.TRUST_CENTER_POLICY: 0>, <EzspDecisionId.ALLOW_PRECONFIGURED_KEY_JOINS: 1>)

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I'd expect to see ALLOW_PRECONFIGURED_KEY_JOINS and ALLOW_REJOINS_ONLY printed

tropic depot
#

I have to look at the code... it may not be that advanced in the repr

carmine zodiac
#

I don't think this is a bitmask

tropic depot
#

it is

carmine zodiac
#

these are mutually exclusive

    # Send the network key encrypted with the joining or rejoining device's
    # trust center link key. The trust center and any joining or rejoining
    # device are assumed to share a link key, either preconfigured or obtained
    # under a previous policy. This is the default value for the
    # TRUST_CENTER_POLICY.
    ALLOW_PRECONFIGURED_KEY_JOINS = 0x01
    # Send the network key encrypted with the rejoining device's trust center
    # link key. The trust center and any rejoining device are assumed to share
    # a link key, either preconfigured or obtained under a previous policy. No
    # new devices are allowed to join.
    ALLOW_REJOINS_ONLY = 0x02
    # Reject all unsecured join and rejoin attempts.
    DISALLOW_ALL_JOINS_AND_REJOINS = 0x03
amber gull
#

Well, that's the returned decision ID which is different the the decision bitmask

carmine zodiac
#

ok

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where is the TRUST_CENTER_POLICY value read from the config?

amber gull
#

the former is the answer, the latter is the effective policy

carmine zodiac
#

the fact that setting TRUST_CENTER_POLICY to anything (also tried 0, 1, 2, 4) makes it not log any decision is suspicious to me

amber gull
#

should be in v4/ init or config I beleive

tropic depot
#

hahahah

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in v4 it may in fact not be a bitmask

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I have to look at this closer when I have a moment

carmine zodiac
#

how do we know I'm on v4?

amber gull
#

EZSPv4 is 5.4.1

carmine zodiac
#

ok

tropic depot
#

I'd update the firmware before wasting a ton of time IMO

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v4 is old AF

amber gull
#

Yeah, might as well, might gain you a few bug fixes that could help

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though I don't want to pull a @carmine zodiac and chase this to death, I'm really curious on the EZSP v4 trust center policy now

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😆

carmine zodiac
#

😛

amber gull
#

(nothing but love for ya brother, I'm the same way)

tropic depot
#

hahaha

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so

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@carmine zodiac for what it is worth I had issues w/ the sonoff relays before I updated the stick firmware too

carmine zodiac
#

ah

tropic depot
#

I didnt see the beginning of this so I missed that it is a sonoff sensor

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IIRC it had something to do w/ the key table

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when I updated to newer EZSP firmware it just worked

carmine zodiac
#

well I'm in too deep 😅

tropic depot
#

nah

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that's just because we aren't checking for anything but success

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means we should look to give the user better info

carmine zodiac
#

got it

tropic depot
#

that is left over from the VERY initial version of bellows

carmine zodiac
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p47: https://www.silabs.com/documents/public/user-guides/ug100-ezsp-reference-guide.pdf
setPolicy (0x55), accepts EzspPolicyId and EzspDecisionId

called here: https://github.com/zigpy/bellows/blob/aa3d8ca5bf7898389e40942902f46047fdb13f99/bellows/ezsp/protocol.py#L96

I suspect that the reason it doesn't show the name of the EzspDecisionId in the log message (https://github.com/zigpy/bellows/blob/aa3d8ca5bf7898389e40942902f46047fdb13f99/bellows/ezsp/protocol.py#L77) is that it's an int from user input, whereas the default uses the enum (https://github.com/zigpy/bellows/blob/dfb307b60028f18baf9c1977dfc6fd7922c42e9f/bellows/cli/util.py#L181-L182), which gets logged with name but converted to int when setPolicy is called

#

so that's fine

#

so it seems like 3 is getting sent correctly

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anyway

#

firmware update time 😛

tropic depot
#

Yeah I think your issue is that these are ZB3 devices

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and that old version of EZSP has some issue w/ keys

#

that doesn't exist in newer EZSP versions

carmine zodiac
#

ah

tropic depot
#

how many ZB3 devices are paired?

#

do you know?

#

you can try increasing this

#

on v4 it defaults to 4

#

but when I had this issue w/ the relays this didn't help

carmine zodiac
#

how do I tell what's ZB3?

tropic depot
#

😄

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do you have a lot of sonoff stuff?

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that's all zb3

carmine zodiac
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5 smart plugs and 2 humidity sensors

#

problem started when I only had 1 plug and 2 sensors

tropic depot
#

try increasing that config... it's quick to do

#

if that doesn't work then update the firmware using the link you posted above

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ncp-uart-sw-6.7.8.ebl is the firmware I am using now on the husbzb-1

carmine zodiac
# 
zha:
  zigpy_config:
    CONFIG_KEY_TABLE_SIZE: 16

like this?

tropic depot
#

looks right

carmine zodiac
#

default trust policy?

tropic depot
#

leave it at 3

carmine zodiac
#

ok

#

pair the sensors again or just leave them?

#

anything you want from logs?

tropic depot
#

just pair it again

#

see if it stays connected

carmine zodiac
#

config isn't taking

2021-02-25 11:34:09 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.ezsp.protocol] Send command setConfigurationValue: (<EzspConfigId.CONFIG_KEY_TABLE_SIZE: 30>, 4)

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should be 16

tropic depot
#

yeah update the firmware

carmine zodiac
#

ok

#

thanks for all your help!

amber gull
#

🤞

carmine zodiac
#

both of you

#

🙂

#

{"ports": [{"stackVersion": "6.7.8-373", "deviceType": "zigbee", "pid": "8A2A", "port": "/dev/ttyUSB1", "vid": "10C4"}]}

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HA still working

#

and now we wait

tropic depot
#

how long was it taking...

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if it joins and stays it's working no?

amber gull
#

I think it was periodically falling all after a day or half a day -- log he posted last night had it attempting unsecure rejoin which was ignored, then a few hours later ZHA marked it offline

tropic depot
#

gotcha

fleet lodge
#

Any ideas on how one could implement a Zigbee badging system?

#

i.e. if an employee badges into a part of a building, I'd like it sent to the coordinator.

sour shadow
#

Why not just use RFID?

#

They build whole access control type systems around that 😛

dry fossil
#

And for anyone that forgets their badge, just give them a subcutaneous chip smart

fleet lodge
sour shadow
#

Zigbee and badges... not likely to work well together

#

You'd need to power those, trigger them reporting, working out a route...

#

Ultimately though, you could make this work with any RFID readers and RFID tags

fleet lodge
#

I need to keep looking through this

sour shadow
fleet lodge
#

With NFC module

sour shadow
#

Honestly, RFID cards are cheap, employee badges with them are common, and RFID readers aren't expensive

fleet lodge
#

Hey hey!!! That's pretty damn close to what I'm looking for

sour shadow
verbal shale
#

there is anyway to get zha music mode for bulbs?

green star
#

Have an interesting issue with a zigbee lock not actually reporting the correct lock status, but it does in fact lock/unlock if i control it from homeassistant. the lock is the kwikset convert and i'm currently using a conbee 2 stick. anybody have any thoughts on what might cause this?

#

using deconz btw

torn saffron
#

Do we know of any zigbee light devices except Hues that can save and correctly behave according to their power-on settings?

quick hare
#

What is your favorite ZigBee remote with On/Off & brightness up and down that is not from IKEA?

carmine zodiac
#

both have fallen off

#

last seen right after I left

#

this is with default trust policy

#

props to aqara who despite violating the standard have been more reliable so far

old kernel
#

Any debug logs that would be useful for me to grab to figure out why some of my lights magically turn themselves on? I've gotten to the point of setting up an automation named 'die evil possessed lights' that turns them back off as soon as they turn on...

mighty river
quiet shadow
#

Can i configer Phillips Hue smart Buttons without a "Bridge" with my home assistant beiing the hub

sour shadow
#

TL/DR: Yes, pick a Zigbee integration (see the pinned messages) and go

quiet shadow
#

But do i need an USB stick in my RPI, i saw that on a video but didn't undersand why

sour shadow
#

Yes, did you look at the pinned messages?

verbal shale
#

there is anyway to get zha music mode for bulbs?

molten linden
verbal shale
molten linden
#

There was some talk originally by the dev there of piping commands directly to the devices but I don’t think anything ever came of that. I’m not ware of anything else.

verbal shale
#

can I talk with bulb with Tasmota console?

#

if yes, where is the commands list?

austere patio
mighty river
austere patio
#

Requests usually don't get sent to door sensors

amber gull
# 
2021-02-25 11:45:06 INFO (MainThread) [zigpy.application] Device 0x9135 (00:12:4b:00:22:68:b4:26) left the network
2021-02-25 11:45:12 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.zigbee.application] Received childJoinHandler frame with [0, <Bool.true: 1>, 0x9135, 00:12:4b:00:22:68:b4:26, <EmberNodeType.SLEEPY_END_DEVICE: 4>]
2021-02-25 11:45:12 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.zigbee.application] Received trustCenterJoinHandler frame with [0x9135, 00:12:4b:00:22:68:b4:26, <EmberDeviceUpdate.STANDARD_SECURITY_UNSECURED_JOIN: 1>, <EmberJoinDecision.USE_PRECONFIGURED_KEY: 0>, 0x0000]
2021-02-25 11:45:12 INFO (MainThread) [zigpy.application] Device 0x9135 (00:12:4b:00:22:68:b4:26) joined the network
2021-02-25 11:45:13 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.zigbee.application] Received incomingMessageHandler frame with [<EmberIncomingMessageType.INCOMING_BROADCAST: 4>, EmberApsFrame(profileId=0, clusterId=19, sourceEndpoint=0, destinationEndpoint=0, options=<EmberApsOption.APS_OPTION_NONE: 0>, groupId=0, sequence=0), 255, -73, 0x9135, 255, 255, b'\x005\x91&\xb4h"\x00K\x12\x00\x80']
2021-02-25 11:45:13 INFO (MainThread) [bellows.zigbee.application] ZDO Device announce: 0x9135, 00:12:4b:00:22:68:b4:26
2021-02-25 11:45:13 INFO (MainThread) [zigpy.application] Device 0x9135 (00:12:4b:00:22:68:b4:26) joined the network
#

Rejoined fine at 11:45 then at 16:01

2021-02-25 16:01:28 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.zigbee.application] Received childJoinHandler frame with [6, <Bool.false: 0>, 0x8bf0, 00:12:4b:00:22:69:c1:86, <EmberNodeType.SLEEPY_END_DEVICE: 4>]
2021-02-25 16:02:35 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.zigbee.application] Received childJoinHandler frame with [0, <Bool.false: 0>, 0x9135, 00:12:4b:00:22:68:b4:26, <EmberNodeType.SLEEPY_END_DEVICE: 4>]
#

Gets the childJoinHandler but never the trustCenterJoin handler following? Falls off after that

#

Previous log line shows at last zha topo scan, sensor (0x9135) was child of the coordinator

#

I believe there was a bug with Elelabs ELU13 EZSP adapter where directly connected end device children got booted every 24 hrs? Was that you @golden vessel ?

tropic depot
#

I thought this dude was using the husbzb1?

amber gull
#

He is

#

Just seems similar

tropic depot
#

I don't lose anything w/ it

#

just FYI

amber gull
#

Your sensors probably not direct to coord tho?

tropic depot
#

I can check

#

in a meeting so will be a bit

golden vessel
amber gull
#

Ok, thanks -- Root cause was probably some knob in the firmware build? Doubt same knob would affect official 5.4.1 release on HUSBZB-1 and 6.7.8 release on same but would be curious what it was

golden vessel
#

I think it was a bug that was fixed on the newer silabs release

#

the elelabs fw was on an older release

amber gull
#

Not something like a timer?

#

As it seemed pretty regular on 24 kick off?

tropic depot
#

I have direct children

#

first one I checked was a third reality switch (battery op)

amber gull
#

Did you check your sonoff temp/humidity sensors?

tropic depot
#

I only have relays from sonoff

amber gull
#

gotcha -- looks like childJoinHandler with bool false flag is child leaving

#

so it's not failing in the join process, it's on it's way out -- whether that is coming from the sensor or from the coord is the question

golden vessel
amber gull
#

@carmine zodiac Time to read through above, and now also enable source routing

# 
zha:
  zigpy_config:
    source_routing: true
    ezsp_policies:
      TRUST_CENTER_POLICY: 3 
    ezsp_config:
      CONFIG_APS_UNICAST_MESSAGE_COUNT: 20 
      CONFIG_MAX_END_DEVICE_CHILDREN: 32
      CONFIG_SOURCE_ROUTE_TABLE_SIZE: 200 
      CONFIG_ROUTE_TABLE_SIZE: 16 
      CONFIG_ADDRESS_TABLE_SIZE: 16
verbal shale
#

how about binding devices to goup devices? @amber gull

#

why it dont show all clusters in a switch for binding groups

spice kelp
#

i have a deconz Pi hat but i'm having a painful time troubleshooting a paired device that's misbehaving. is it possible to use ZHA or something else with this hat? would that even help me troubleshoot better?

foggy solar
#

I've been planning to setup a doorbell with an aqara button but today I tested it outside and it seems like the range isn't quite far enough.. I've got a conbee 2 connected to a dell wyse running HA, I can raise this 2 meters off the floor, might that help? Are there other ways I can increase the range easily? If I installed some tradfri bulbs in a room nearby does that help zigbee range issues?

austere patio
#

I would add a USB 2.0 extension cable and plug the conbee into a USB 2.0 port to reduce the chances of the computer itself affecting things, if you haven't already done that

#

Otherwise, if the Aqara button isn't selecting an appropriate parent router, re-join it to your network but only enable joins on the closest router

foggy solar
#

Thanks @austere patio what would be classed as a parent router? I haven't tried the USB extension cable, have you tried it? My plan is to wall mount my HA computer anyway so ideally I don't want to run another wire from it

spice kelp
#

is there a recommended "best" USB stick these days?

tropic depot
amber gull
#

I say it's a toss up between the hacked Lidl smart home gateway and the circular wifi russian board

blissful adder
#

Hi guys!

#

I am new to Hassio and domotic!! I have been learning a lot.... I am also not an electrician... so it is complicated for me ehheheh

spice kelp
blissful adder
#

I have a question as I would liek to add more zigbee devices in my house (Yeahhhh the zigbeee)

#

I have HA installed and behind it i have a philips bridge

spice kelp
tropic depot
#

or wait for tubes

blissful adder
#

I have some other gears like Sonoff latest ZBMini behind interuptors and also some ikea tradfri

tropic depot
#

I have a husbzb1... works well but it is long in the tooth now... very old

blissful adder
#

I like the Philips Hue bridge as it seems compatible with many items...

tropic depot
#

folks like the zzh

#

tube is building gw's based on EFR32 and the CC chips

spice kelp
#

you mean zha?

tropic depot
#

those will both be options for ZHA and Z2M AFAIK

blissful adder
#

But what do you recommend for movement detection, temperateur, humidity?

spice kelp
#

is tube a manufacturer?

tropic depot
#

he is a user here 🙂

spice kelp
#

lol

#

sorry i'm not in this channel much

tropic depot
#

he is making gateways... let me find the link again

#

lol I know

#

no worries at all

#

nothing available atm

austere patio
#

As is tradition

tropic depot
#

but those will work for both I think (at least the TI models should work with ZHA or Z2M).... @molten linden can correct me if I am wrong

austere patio
#

His TI module works with ZHA, walt uses it

tropic depot
#

yep

wispy narwhal
austere patio
#

I believe Z2M supports serial over TCP

tropic depot
#

we're working on the firmware for the EFR one now

#

i'm mostly rambling... he is doing the real work 😄

#

I have discovery working for both too... just gotta PR it

spice kelp
#

i asked earlier, but do i understand i can test ZHA with my RaspBee shield instead of deconz?

tropic depot
#

yep

#

we support all of the radios

spice kelp
#

would there be a benefit to that? i'm having trouble with specific devices

tropic depot
#

prob not

spice kelp
#

unclear if it's the board, the device, or something else

tropic depot
#

what devices

#

what is the issue

spice kelp
#

hampton bay ceiling fan controller. it works sometimes

tropic depot
#

ah is that the KoF thing?

spice kelp
#

oh yeah

tropic depot
#

the antenna on it is TRASH

#

lol

#

you need a router really close to it

#

@amber gull do you have those?

spice kelp
#

yeah, i've got one about 10ft from it

tropic depot
#

lots of folks complain about them

spice kelp
#

he does, he's actually helped me in the past

tropic depot
#

I think cgarwood has them

#

too

spice kelp
#

the deconz UI seems to imply the signal is good, but i may be reading it incorrectly

#

not sure i trust it

tropic depot
#

I have only seen complaints for them... that's why I don't have them... my fans are nearly 15 ft off the ground.... don't wanna deal w/ it

blissful adder
#

🙂

spice kelp
#

i installed mine into an old fan that didn't have a ceiling support to hold it while i rewired it

blissful adder
#

@wispy narwhal have you tested yourself the movement detection? any good?

spice kelp
#

so i'm hesitant to go back in

#

had to hold the whole fan up on a ladder while rewiring

tropic depot
#

oof

molten linden
#

I am here I was tagged I'm making gateways. my desk is a mess.. https://imgur.com/a/e0DqR7K my wires were crossed too so I was pretty frustrated until this morning.

tropic depot
#

yeah I hear ya... not sure what to tell ya though.... I am fairly certain it is the device

#

everyone complains about the connectivity for them 🤷‍♂️

spice kelp
#

sounded like walt replaced the antennas and was happy enough now

molten linden
#

I have one on a fan that is in and outdoor porch that I'm tearing down this spring. lol it worked through a brick wall decently well with repeaters on the other side. but the antenna isn't in a box.

amber gull
#

yeah, antenna is weak AF

#

I went with 3rd party antenna that is mounted on outside of fan shroud

wispy narwhal
amber gull
#

they have been rock solid after that

tropic depot
#

walt.... is there anything you haven't taken apart?

#

😄

blissful adder
#

@wispy narwhal Sorry but.,.. wha tis conbee and ZHA?

spice kelp
wispy narwhal
blissful adder
#

oh... clever!!

wispy narwhal
amber gull
#

check out all the reviews, lol

blissful adder
#

Why do people use the Hue Hub then? I mean, can we use philips/ikea lamps withourt the Hue hub?

#

@wispy narwhal thanks for sharing your info by the way 🙂

wispy narwhal
austere patio
spice kelp
#

looks like that might be an eyesore

blissful adder
#

@wispy narwhal and the radius of the Conbee is as good as teh one of the Philips Hue?

#

I am on their site now... LOL!

wispy narwhal
blissful adder
#

@wispy narwhal The ConBee is no longer available, the successor is ConBee II.

#

ooops...

#

The v2 has the same signal range!!

austere patio
#

They are functionally identical

blissful adder
#

30 meters

wispy narwhal
blissful adder
#

What do you mean Lee?

wispy narwhal
blissful adder
#

oh.... ok!!!

#

and the mesh is easy to set up or it is fully automatic?

wispy narwhal
blissful adder
#

Does it creates massive delay in response time?

wispy narwhal
blissful adder
#

@wispy narwhal it sounds great. 40 EUros... I am going to get one!

#

And then you recommend the Aqara devices with it?

wispy narwhal
#

I have around...50 ZigBee devices in my house...and experience an extremely minimal delay

#

Yep, I have motion and door sensors everywhere

blissful adder
#

sounds good Lee!

wispy narwhal
#

And they're excellent!

blissful adder
#

all Aqara?

wispy narwhal
#

Yep

#

I've got a couple of hue motion sensors

#

But that's about it

#

Rest aqara

blissful adder
#

I had a look at them too... b ut they seems like old devices or is it me?

wispy narwhal
#

The hue motion sensors? They're pretty expensive in comparison to aqara

blissful adder
#

yes, this i knew... but are they really better?

wispy narwhal
#

You can get the aqara stuff from AliExpress for really cheap

#

No, I would say not.

blissful adder
#

And now, dont tell me you are the Aqara CEO by the way 🙂

wispy narwhal
#

Haha I am not!

blissful adder
#

I think you got me convinced!

wispy narwhal
#

They're really good!

austere patio
#

With the Hue I believe you have the option of specifying sensitivity and the trigger interval. Aqara can only be configured with solder and wire, but then it triggers every 5s instead of every ~70s

blissful adder
#

You are also running this on a rasperry 4?

wispy narwhal
blissful adder
#

I have the same then...

wispy narwhal
blissful adder
#

Can you please explain this

austere patio
#

Aqara sensors are "dumb". They don't work like normal Zigbee devices and cannot be configured

wispy narwhal
#

The aqara motion sensors are slightly more fiddly to adjust the trigger interval

#

But I haven't had to adjust mine and they have been fine

blissful adder
#

OK... so I shoudl go with the Hue motion right?

#

I want to make my life simple....

#

Do they work OK in the dark?

austere patio
#

Aqara being dumb isn't a bad thing. Just as long as you're fine with the sensor reporting motion for like two minutes each time it is triggered.

blissful adder
#

I mean the philips and the aqara

#

Do you guys use it also as part of securing your house?

austere patio
#

I wouldn't trust it over hardwired sensors but it works fine if you don't rely 100% on it

blissful adder
#

I understand your point puddly

austere patio
#

Most thieves don't have 2.4GHz jammers or a Zigbee sniffer to steal your network key 😆

blissful adder
#

wait... zigbee is ecnrypted right?

amber gull
#

Are you sure on that puds? 😆

austere patio
#

Normally yes but when you permit new devices to join the network, your key is sent in the clear if the joining device is "old" like Aqara and doesn't use an install code

blissful adder
#

OMG... that is dumb!

#

and the new Conbee2 does that too?

austere patio
#

That's what the install codes are for

#

If you are worried about an attacker sitting outside your house and recording your Zigbee traffic 24/7 for that brief millisecond when your coordinator sends the key to a device that isn't joining with an install code, you may have bigger problems

blissful adder
#

exactly... in my head 🙂

#

LOL!

#

OK, so I will get both to compair

#

Thanks guys!

tropic depot
#

I just laughed so hard at that

#

lol

austere patio
#

To be fair, they could have mitigated this attack with some sort of key exchange

tropic depot
#

security in general is a fallacy

#

but that's my opinion

austere patio
#

Can't let the thieves outside my house know the temperature of my living room

tropic depot
#

like when ppl were complaining that alexa could be activated to open a door from the outside if it could hear you

#

guess what.... I prefer a thief do that

#

because the old school way of kicking my door in does a fuck load more damage

#

😄

austere patio
#

At least when your door is kicked in you won't have to explain to the police that you didn't unlock your own door, your smart home hub was hacked and the thieves did it via your own account 😅

tropic depot
#

I'd still rather explain that than deal w/ repairs to the door and house

#

lol

summer thicket
#

Either way........ I'm shooting

tropic depot
#

must be in texas where that's legal 😄

summer thicket
#

Legal in more states than just Texas 😉

tropic depot
#

I was kidding 🙂

old kernel
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So the trick is that when you're casing a house, you figure out what kind of home automation system they have, then set up a sniffer, then order them a couple of light bulbs along with a 'free gift' card

tender moat
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Hi guys, hope this is an easy one. I plugged in my conbeeii, and have added 3 xiaomi sensors via the Phoscon APP in deCONZ. How do i view these sensors in my devices? It seems like the only place I see them are in the deconz App

visual locust
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how can i debug a 5 button tradfri remote paired via ZHA?

old kernel
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(as distinct from the addon)

tender moat
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hmm, not sure

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No I had not! 😄

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Doing it now, thanks for the pointer

visual locust
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id like to see the button presses in some log or something

tender moat
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Yeap! that was it. thanks jesse

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visual locust
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thanks, its zha_event btw. unfortunately no event firing when i push the buttons. hmmm

old kernel
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there's probably something you can put in configuration.yaml to get more debug logs out of zha

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syntax is something like this:
logger: default: info logs: homeassistant.components.zwave_js: debug

visual locust
spice kelp
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why didn't anyone tell me that zigbee & wifi channel numbers don't match?

tropic depot
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lol

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there is a pinned message here that explains the overlap

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15 is between wifi bands and works well here...

spice kelp
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i have an AP on channel 1 about 2m from my coordinator. i figured since it was on channel 11 it would be ok

tropic depot
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I have the same

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it's an Amplifi Alien

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have a few in the house

spice kelp
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but zigbee 11 is right in the middle of wifi 1

tropic depot
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stuff on channel 1, 6 and 11 for wifi

tropic depot
spice kelp
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moved to 25, let's see if this is more reliable

tropic depot
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it's between bands

austere patio
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Wifi will be of the easier of the two to switch to another channel if you're using ZHA

tropic depot
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25 should be good too

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he is using deconz IIRC

spice kelp
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yep. had to downgrade the firmware to let me switch channels 🤦

austere patio
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Does that let you switch channels other than just switching the channel and hoping routers notice?

tropic depot
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🤷‍♂️

spice kelp
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i had to re-pair a few devices

tropic depot
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0 experience w/ deconz

austere patio
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Sounds like it (deconz just switching the channel, I mean )

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Channel switching is one of those things that seems like it should work but it probably won't work well 60% of the time

tropic depot
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yeah it's not a clean thing... kind of hard to get that right when devices can hibernate

austere patio
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Perfect candidate for a button in a GUI that users will push

mellow geode
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The new Hue Dimmer v2 (and the Hue smart button) has a combined on/off toggle button now.
When using it via ZHA, it just sends On when you press it and Off when press it again (regardless of the current state of the light).
When using it via the Hue bridge though, it seems to know when to send On and when to send Off (depending on the state the Zigbee group is in) (looks like two requests on 0xfc00 cluster).

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Is there already any "research" on this?

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(Would be very useful when directly binding the dimmer to a light)

tropic depot
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for direct binding ZHA wouldn't even be involved any more after the binding is made

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what are you trying to do exactly?

mellow geode
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Just to bind the Hue Smart Button or the new Hue Dimmer (v2) can have it toggle the light with one click.
However, if the light is toggled via ZHA, the dimmer/button needs two clicks (as it sends the wrong On/Off command first).
I guess the Hue Bridge somehow setups the dimmer/smart button at joining to ask(?) for this before executing the command

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I'm not quite sure yet though

tropic depot
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you would need to sniff the packets w/ the hue bridge and wireshark to see what it is doing at pairing and then during interaction