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dry fossil
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If it's not respecting that config value (which sounds strange), just change other things to read from the right topic.

lime locust
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how can i see the ZHA configs ? i think its locked to one device somehow

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if i remove the ZHA integration , will the sensors need repairing ?

gentle flint
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Plug in the stick. Reboot. Configure zha integration. From the serial port drop-down select the one ending in -01

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I recommend against sonoff bridge. You experience would depend on the quality of the wifi network. Better get a ConBee or elelabs

violet dagger
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it is definitely not beginner friendly

lime locust
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can i run the ZHA and zigbe2mqtt integrations next to eachother

sour shadow
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Yes

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Just not using the same stick at the same time

lime locust
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ah damn

gentle flint
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As long as each one gets its own stick to control

sour shadow
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It'd be like having two people driving the same car at the same time πŸ˜‰

lime locust
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zha wont recognise simple aqara sensors , only one got added , seems stick is locked ?

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/dev/serial/by-id/usb-Texas_Instruments_TI_CC2531_USB_CDC___0X00124B0018E299EC-if00
would be a valid path
dataflow and baudrate left on default

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there are 2 buttons on the stick any1 know what they're for ?

lime locust
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YES zigbee2mqtt 4 the win

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how do i add the docker container in HA ?

sour shadow
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Depends on how you run HA really

lime locust
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hostmode

sour shadow
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hostmode 🀣

lime locust
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container

sour shadow
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Then compose file, following the Z2M docs πŸ˜‰

fleet wedge
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Turns out sleash is selling his adapter through his own website

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Ends up being about 5€ cheaper than anything else

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Says he sends in 1-4 days

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Is this the right place to ask this:

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Does anyone have any experience with using zigbee filament style lights with circadian lighting? I'm looking for bulbs that all work with that

sour shadow
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Any CCT lights will work

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Though, ditch Circadian, go Adaptive Lighting πŸ˜‰

fleet wedge
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Yeah that's what I have as the actual implementation

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As for cct, I'm having a hard time finding them in filament form

sour shadow
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Looks like there's lots of options in the UK

fleet wedge
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That one isn't zigbee but it sure looks cheap

sour shadow
fleet wedge
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I'll search locally with cct

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Uk left eu so shipping and taxes

sour shadow
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Yeah, I just googled zigbee cct filament bulb

fleet wedge
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We don't have a local word for cct

sour shadow
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And, you never said where you were πŸ˜‰

quick hare
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I’m looking at sniffing my network today! πŸ™‚ Everything seem’s to work! Except only beacon packets are getting captured. Am I doing something wrong? :/

sour shadow
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CCT is the term for them, like RGB

quick hare
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What is the default ZHA ZigBee channel ID? πŸ™‚

fleet wedge
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Seems like it's paulmann or bust

sour shadow
austere patio
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Everything about your network should be in that backup you made

quick hare
austere patio
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Including the channel and the pan_id

quick hare
fleet wedge
quick hare
austere patio
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No, the pan_id is like your network's SSID

quick hare
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Ohhh

austere patio
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extended_pan_id is BSSID

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It's somewhere near the top of the backup. You can enter as many keys as you want into wireshark and it'll find the right one

quick hare
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Oh I see it panId. But is it an argument I need to provide to zsmartsystems.zigbee.sniffer ?

austere patio
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No, the sniffer just captures whatever is being sent over the air

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I believe you just need to tell it the channel

quick hare
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Ahh alright. Seem’s to work! πŸ™‚

pine vine
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Do hue bulbs act as zigbee repeaters when using mqtt?

lilac wharf
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If they're on the same Zigbee network, yes

pine vine
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Am new to zigbee2mqtt but i assume if theyre connected to the same mqtt via my CC2531 then they will be?

lilac wharf
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Yeah, I just mean bulbs on a hue bridge for example won't be routers on your zigbee2mqtt network

pine vine
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Ok perfect, looks like that isn't the issue then. Everything was working flawlessly now my danalock is being very intermittent and one bulb will no longer join the network after removal

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Lock is failing because of timeouts

strange ibex
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Most people here would suggest something other than a CC2531

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Also, make sure you're on a USB extension cable

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avoid throwing things near wifi/microwaves

pine vine
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Any reason in particular for not liking the CC2531?

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Problem is the conbee seems to be unavailable in the UK atm

strange ibex
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Most people that are having issues tend to be on the CC2531 from what I have seen in this channel

lilac wharf
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It's the cheapest, least powerful stick

pine vine
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Any suggested alternatives and i will see if i can find them in the UK

strange ibex
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zzh or slaesh

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I have 0 experience with slaesh but green named nerds suggest it. I use zzh and never have issues.

pine vine
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Whats the zzh like to get up and running once purchased?

lilac wharf
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Flash the firmware

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E Z P Z, there's a button on it to put it in download mode

simple sentinel
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zzh is dispatched within the UK, afaik, but the dude is marked as being on a break, so unsure when you could put in an order

lilac wharf
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13th IIRC

pine vine
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Yep have just seen that. Zigbee network is very small atm (Just 3 devices, but quite a few more on order)

lilac wharf
strange ibex
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"This seller is taking a break until Jan. 13, 2021. Sign up below to get an email when they're back!"

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very big at the top

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the cool thing about zigbee is the more devices, the stronger the network

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'just need a coordinator that can spit

pine vine
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In the mean time, any way to force checking for new devices?

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Cant see anything in the logs about the missing hue bulb

strange ibex
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Billy, it isn't paired to a bridge right and if it was, you factory reset it

pine vine
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Not connect to a bridge. It was conned to my mqtt but i removed it due to some trouble I was having

I now cannot find it again

strange ibex
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ahh, is it one of the ones with BT?

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I'd maybbe try to connect directly to app and factory reset it through there

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Did you do a force removal or something? weird

pine vine
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I did not check "force remove" when removing the device. Would that matter? Apologies I'm not to zigbee

strange ibex
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I was just wondering to learn πŸ˜› I should look up difference but will another time

amber gull
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You may have to ZLL touchlink reset the hue bulb

lilac wharf
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Or if you or someone has a Hue dimmer you can reset it with that

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Or apparently a tradfri dimmer

pine vine
lilac wharf
mellow geode
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Does anyone know if it's possible to add some device to ZHA via TouchLink?

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(Would wanna try with old Philips LivingColors lights. These can be bound to the Hue bridge using their remote)

tropic depot
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It’s not

golden vessel
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For some cluster attrs I get "bitmap16.8" in the UI and the logs. How can I see the value?

wide sigil
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Hi! I'm having an, uhm, procedural question: How the hell do I connect lights to my zigbee coordinator, when the light in a few meters away, or even in another room? With my IKEA stuff I could just use the remote, but I cannot move my server - with the zigbee stick - closer to my ceiling lamp.

lilac wharf
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You can pair in place

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If you have any Zigbee devices that act as routers (most mains-powered devices are) they'll all look for new devices too during the pairing process unless you specify otherwise

wide sigil
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Alright, I see. So i might want to pair the closest bulb first and then it might work better.

sour shadow
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Yes

wide sigil
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Thanks, much appreciated.

pine vine
lime locust
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have the zigbee2mqtt(container) setup working fine and was wondering about the logs, do they purge at some point , cause all these sensors/motion thingys are outputting quite a lot of txt ?

sour shadow
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No, they don't

lime locust
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have a small aqara motion detector with lux sensors it seems , but they dont output , can i just do the repair process again and it gets re-added in zigbe2mqtt ?

wide sigil
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I seem to have a problem with my conbee II / deConz addon. When using the ConBee2 in my windows 10 pc I can pair bulbs and remotes w/o any problems.
When connected to hassio it won't detect anything. Are there any diagnostics I can run, to pin down the problem?
ConBee2 is on the most recent version, used the manual update way via windows cmd.

sour shadow
lime locust
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ah thnks !

signal shell
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Hi guys, I have two Xiaomi Aqara cubes connected via Zigbee2Mqtt, but they don't appear to have a state. If I check under Templates and type {{states("sensor.my_cube_xyz")}} it doesn't show anything. I have a blueprint that uses the cube, but in the blueprint it is declared as a remote but the entity is still the sensor? I'm really confused on how I can automate the cube as I don't even know on how to get the current Side, ... from it. Also state_attr just gives me "None"...

vagrant lance
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Having hard time with ikea E1743, https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/E1743.html it says

Zigbee2MQTT:info  2021-01-09 13:06:11: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/log', payload '{"message":{"friendly_name":"ikea"},"type":"device_connected"}'
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2021-01-09 13:06:11: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/log', payload '{"message":"interview_started","meta":{"friendly_name":"ikea"},"type":"pairing"}'
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2021-01-09 13:06:14: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/event', payload '{"data":{"friendly_name":"ikea","ieee_address":"0xbc33acfffebd4a5f"},"type":"device_announce"}'
Zigbee2MQTT:info  2021-01-09 13:06:14: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/log', payload '{"message":"announce","meta":{"friendly_name":"ikea"},"type":"device_announced"}'
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-01-09 13:06:26: Failed to interview 'ikea', device has not successfully been paired

Zigbee2MQTT:info  2021-01-09 13:06:26: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/event', payload '{"data":{"friendly_name":"ikea","ieee_address":"0xbc33acfffebd4a5f","status":"failed"},"type":"device_interview"}'

Its my first zigbee device :( using zigbee2mqtt

signal shell
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Ah, I got it, it comes as an event, I got confused as the blueprint used to call the cube-entity a "remote" and the entity itself is stateless. So events is the way to go πŸ‘

lime locust
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my lux sensor has Illuminance_lux and illuminance , why 2 ?

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and different data

dry fossil
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Presumably it has two because they're different πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

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Like with many things, there are several ways it can be measured. Lux is common but it's not the only scale.

sour shadow
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I like candles

dry fossil
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Foot candles? πŸ˜„

sour shadow
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Four

dry fossil
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I love how luminance and illuminance are different things, despite sounding so similar.

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Fork handles?

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Next you'll be wanting hose

sour shadow
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I see you're also a person of taste and class πŸ˜‰

dry fossil
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I try

lilac wharf
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Unlikely

sour shadow
wide sigil
dry fossil
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I don't know the answer but the most common problem I see around deCONZ is about USB passthrough with VM's.

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Maybe our resident expert, @frail oracle will know. 🀣

wide sigil
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that'd be a bummer. I'm totally willing to try zha/zigbee2mqtt tho, if they work better :)

dry fossil
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They're all different. But I rarely see people having issues with passthrough with them.

dire willow
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@sour shadow Just a random reminder from long ago
Zigbee, still a mesh network. πŸ™‚ those 4 bulbs (repeaters) sure are helping!

lime locust
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was wondering , my cc2531 has like a 20 device limit, if i solder an wifi antenna to it would number of devices to be paired also increase ?

sour shadow
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No, that's not how it works πŸ˜‰

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It's even in the FAQ

lime locust
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o wow, so every bulb becomes a router

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no wonder google integrating this in their next nest hub πŸ™‚

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great bit o tech

wide sigil
mighty river
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Hi guys, I've been troubleshooting a delay I'm experiencing in certain automations triggered by a zigbee motion sensor turning on a light. Following your advice, I've been checking the logbook whenever the issue has taken place. Apparently, there's no delay in the logbook between the trigger and the action (just 1 second delay at most, which is nowhere near the 4-5 seconds delay I'm experiencing...). I would appreciate any hint on how to continue with this troubleshooting

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as far as I know, this can be due to the zigbee network being too congested, since I have 23 devices ruled by just one coordinator and one router ... but it could be for some other reason as well

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how can I distinguish which the case is?

golden vessel
mighty river
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it's a flow in NR

golden vessel
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try replacing it with an automation, just to rule out an issue in NR

mighty river
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ok, that sounds useful

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ok, I'll do that and I'll be back in a few days

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thanks!

austere patio
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They would contain the exact timestamps for when the motion sensor triggered and when the corresponding light was turned on

wide sigil
austere patio
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Perhaps the Conbee refused to form a network due to interference?

wide sigil
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Looks like it, but I would've expected some kind of error instead of "eh, nah".

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Anyway, I can use my lights again and don't have to press switches like a caveman πŸ₯³

mighty river
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@austere patio Hey again, you mean zha logs or general logs? how am I to enable them? and should I share the logs from the time the issue is taking place only, I suppose?

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for that purpose, some people of the chat suggested me that the logbook would be suffice to achive that

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to know the timestamps

austere patio
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The ZHA/radio library logs would contain the exact timestamps for when the radio received the motion sensor attribute update and when it sent out the request to turn on the light

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If there's no real difference between the two timestamps, then something with the Zigbee network is causing the delay

pine vine
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Anyone got an ultion smart they're using via zigbee? Very recently purchased one but the settings in the app only mention z-wave and not zigbee. Thinking they may have sent me the wrong one

violet dagger
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usually its written on the box

mighty river
austere patio
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What is it? WiFi?

pine vine
# violet dagger usually its written on the box

They do multiple versions and the box just states each version they offer rather than the one which has been supplied in the box. However, zigbee is their default unless you specify otherwise

mighty river
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I've already checked the logbook and there's 1 second delay at most between trigger and action. Does that tell me something?

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yes, it's wifi

golden vessel
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oh, then there's nothing wrong with zigbee

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πŸ˜„

mighty river
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in the logbook there's a 1 second delay at most while there's somewhere around 3-5 seconds delay from my perspective

austere patio
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I would imagine then that this is on the WiFi side of things

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Zigbee for the most part is instantaneous, especially for motion sensors

violet dagger
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what kind of wifi light? which integration is it using?

mighty river
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it's a lifx bulb lifx integration

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until recently I had the Tenda Nova mw6 mesh wifi system, with which I also experienced this delays..

violet dagger
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is it using local control or cloud?

mighty river
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moved to TP link deco m9 and still the same.. I was hoping the router would solve it

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I assume local?

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wait

violet dagger
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dont

mighty river
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yep, local

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when internet goes down, lights will still work

violet dagger
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such a delay should not happen in local control

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but it is normal when using cloud integrations

mighty river
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could that extension cable do something? with conbee II i mean

golden vessel
mighty river
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generally it does, problem is I cannot know if it is instantaneous when the issue happens becaus it's pretty random

golden vessel
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oh its random! :/ what is the LQI of the sensor?

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also, you are not using an extension cable on your zigbee stick?

mighty river
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nope, lookabmantis

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fortunatelly, I've just entered the room and

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there has been a delay

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the state in HA hasn't been updated until the light has turned on

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so it's kind of HA is received the zigbee info with a delay

golden vessel
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if you are not using an extension, I bet that's your problem!

mighty river
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that would be great

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is there any documentation on which would be the shortest cable length recommended?

golden vessel
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anything over 30cm should be fine. don't use one over 3m. also, don't connect it to a USB 3 port

mighty river
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30 cm at least..

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ok

lilac wharf
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Anything over 10-12 cm tbh

mighty river
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that's cool, I'll go with 10 cm them

lilac wharf
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Well, really like 5 πŸ˜‚

golden vessel
lilac wharf
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Just needs to be away from the machine

mighty river
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well thank you guys, I hope this is the last time I come here asking for help on this matterπŸ˜€

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I really appreciate

lilac wharf
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Same, hope to never see you again

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πŸ˜›

mighty river
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is there any problem if the cable is usb 3.0 but I plug it into the 2.0 socket of the pi?

lilac wharf
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Nope

dry fossil
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That's fine...

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Since cables aren't version controlled 🀣

golden vessel
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Actually, I couldn't get a conbee to work when I used a USB 3.0 cable a while ago. Switched to an old usb2 cabled and it worked. The USB 3 cable works fine (and fast) with USB 3 stuff.

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usb 3 cables are different from usb 2 ones. I wouldn't expect them to carry more interference, but idk

dry fossil
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The cable isn't the problem. The port is.

golden vessel
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it was some time ago, but I think I was using the USB2 ports on the pi4 for the stick

dry fossil
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The broadband noise emitted from a USB 3.0 device can affect the SNR (signal-to-noise ratio) and limit the sensitivity of any wireless receiver whose antenna is physically located close to the USB 3.0 device. This may result in a drop in throughput on the wireless link.

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It's the circuitry, not the cable.

golden vessel
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a cable can act as an antenna

dry fossil
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But it's a known issue that hardware manufacturers are dealing with:

In a nutshellβ€”the noise from USB 3.0 interferes with the 2.4 GHz signal. However, the wireless industry is proactive about the problem. Just about all of the router makers I spoke with that offer routers with USB 3.0 ports have those ports shielded to alleviate that interference.

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Yes, induction can happen... but that doesn't change the fact that it's the device, not the cable, that's responsible for it.

golden vessel
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yeah ofc

dry fossil
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And if something's going to induce a current, it doesn't care how old your cable is.

golden vessel
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if your device only has 2.0 ports, there's nothing to induce interference

dry fossil
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That's... what I've been saying.

golden vessel
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I know, I was agreeing with you πŸ˜„ (see the "yeah ofc"?) πŸ˜„

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in my case, the PI has 3.0 ports. despite not being connected to them, a 3.0 cable may be able to act as a better antenna than a 2.0 one

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or maybe not. its just a theory since it wasn't working when I used that cable

naive ivy
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Is anyone using ZHA and Sylvania/Ledvance A19 RGBW with latest firmware (0x00102428)? Do you have a 'colorloop' effect available?

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I had it, until I upgraded firmware, and I don't know if something just isn't being recognized or if ledvance removed it from the firmware

mighty river
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would this get the jon done? is kind of short but I'd love it

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and btw, how am I supposed to paste here in the chat a huge Amazon url for example?

violet dagger
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make it short

dry fossil
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Huge Amazon URL? None of them are huge once you remove all the tracking shit from the end.

mighty river
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aaalright thanks

dry fossil
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They only care about the ID.

mighty river
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that's good to know

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mono, what would be the shortest length you would use for this purpose?

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I'd love to use a 3cm adapter but I'm not sure it'll suffice

violet dagger
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seems you missed the part where advised to be far away from the server

dry fossil
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General feedback seems to be to stay 1m away from the nearest source of interference (routers/computers/speakers/etc).

violet dagger
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are you scared of 1m cables?

mighty river
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oh wow.. 1 m is a lot..

dry fossil
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Anything with lots of EM or magnets in.

mighty river
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tediore suggested 15cm would suffice

lilac wharf
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Huh, didn't think it needed to be that far

violet dagger
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well mine is 2m but this is not a mine is bigger

lilac wharf
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Yeah was just about to say that heh

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I've brought great shame upon myself and my family

dry fossil
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Mine's attached directly to my NUC, which is directly on top of my personal PC and right next to a bunch of other electronics. Zero issues.

lilac wharf
dry fossil
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But... if someone's having issues, adding an extension is the first thing to try.

violet dagger
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i cabled mine to get in a better position since the server is kind of low

dry fossil
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Did you try saying nice things to it or taking it out to get some fresh air?

violet dagger
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server or cable?

dry fossil
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the server is kind of low
πŸ˜‚

mighty river
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haha

violet dagger
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i dont get it

dry fossil
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low = depressed

mighty river
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you meants slow?

dry fossil
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Feeling low.

mighty river
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well then..

violet dagger
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huge stretch there

mighty river
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so the length depends on the setup

violet dagger
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and the stick >D

mighty river
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I'll give a 15cm cable a shot and move from there I guess

mighty river
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my pi is attached to a wall

violet dagger
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working > ugly

dry fossil
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Ugly homelabs are the best homelabs.

mighty river
dry fossil
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Hang a poster in front of it.

mighty river
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or maybe replace the conbee II for a sonoff bridge

violet dagger
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do cable art

mighty river
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is the sonoff bridge reported to work well with ZHA?

violet dagger
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no

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nothing wireless that is as critical will work well

mighty river
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what do you mean by "that is as critical"

dry fossil
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Anything where you need to receive the message first time. I don't think Zigbee re-sends missed messages like your PC would with WiFi.

mighty river
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it's bad it's wifi you mean

violet dagger
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crucial then

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vital, important, essential...

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wifi connections break

mighty river
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okok sorry, I'm from Spain and sometimes, you know..

violet dagger
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i don't, i'm from croatia

mighty river
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@lilac wharf what's the length of the cable you're using? are you using a pi?

golden vessel
mighty river
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I really really do πŸ˜„

violet dagger
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just plug it in directly then

golden vessel
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Just remember: the closer to the pi, the more interference it will get, the worse (slower, less reliably) it will work.

mighty river
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I know but there's nothing wrong in moving from the shortest to the longest

golden vessel
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Its one of the top recommendations for a reason πŸ˜‰

mighty river
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if 15cm work, they'll stay, otherwise I'll move to 50cm or 1m

golden vessel
violet dagger
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why not 30 cm first?

mighty river
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cause 15 is less ugly

violet dagger
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well 0 is even less ugly 🀣

mighty river
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it's amazon and I can return as many as I like

golden vessel
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wireless networks are voodoo πŸ™‚ they may work fine for months, and start failing by mysterious reason πŸ™‚ a bigger cable would help reduce that probability

mighty river
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but 0 has proven to make trouble

golden vessel
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by the way, what stick are you using?

mighty river
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0 is the most beautiful, but it doesn't work properly.. that's why I'm moving from there

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conbee II

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I can return a cable months after purchase, no probem with that

golden vessel
violet dagger
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but they didnt put the length in there

mighty river
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yup, I read it, and the cable there doesn't seem to be longer than 30cm

golden vessel
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right? 30cm... not 15! πŸ˜„

mighty river
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heheheee

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it may be 15 cm, who knows πŸ˜„

golden vessel
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well, just rember to start by changing the cable the next time your zigbee network isn't reliable πŸ˜„

mighty river
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believe me, I won't forget this discussion we've had..

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but I won't come here to let you know πŸ˜›

violet dagger
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we don't use conbee anyway, we use working hardware πŸ‘Ώ

mighty river
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that's another point

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you think conbee II ins't good?

violet dagger
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i do

golden vessel
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I've used a Conbee 1 for a long time and it worked fine

violet dagger
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but people also think earth is flat

mighty river
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I'm open to change my coordinator as well

golden vessel
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I know a friend who tried using a conbee 2 with ZHA and it was not reliable... so, who knows

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I've changed to a Elelabs stick and moved the conbee 1 to my parents house (which doesn't have much devices)

mighty river
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@violet dagger you think conbee II is good or bad?

violet dagger
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i think its in between

mighty river
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hmm

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which one do you guys use?

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if it's better than conbee, I'm ok replacing it

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abmantis uses Elelabs

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is there a consensus on which are the best zigbee coordinators for HA? with ZHA?

remote patio
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is there somewhere in the UI I can find the serial devices available on my home assistant install?

austere patio
remote patio
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I've replaced my Conbee II with this

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or rather I'm in the process

naive ivy
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@remote patio Supervisor->System, the three-dot menu at the bottom right of the "Host System" card, click "Hardware"

austere patio
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Though many people use the Conbees without any serious issues so πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

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It's not like they're actively developed to perform poorly

remote patio
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those 3 dots are so difficult to notice

naive ivy
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Yep.

mighty river
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actually it works really well.. reading in the internet people have really big problemswith their zigbee networks, it's not the case with this one

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i've had very few issues tbh

violet dagger
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i see really well has different meanings

wide sigil
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I'm having quite a few issues with my my ConBee II, but that could also be caused by tradfri stuff.

remote patio
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I have really big problems with deconz,, so I don't know that the conbee was the problem.. but the zzh has a much better antenna.. so that will eliminate some issues

violet dagger
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zzh with z2m works excellent

mighty river
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really well compared to what I read

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zzh is a coordinator?

violet dagger
#

its a stick that can be a coordinator

remote patio
#

it's the usb zigbee stick I linked earlier

mighty river
#

which needs to be flashed?

violet dagger
#

yes

remote patio
#

hmm.. it doesn't seem to be showing the 3rd usb device... just the conbee and the zwave stick..

mighty river
#

I'll stay away from that then..

austere patio
#

I mean you just plug it in and copy/paste a command

violet dagger
#

why? not a fan of command line?

mighty river
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no soldering?

violet dagger
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its literally the same as upgrading a conbee

austere patio
#

Not unless you want to solder something to it for fun

mighty river
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oh ok sorry

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I assumed it

violet dagger
#

yeah, there's a saying about assuming

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you could solder to it, there's so many pins

mighty river
#

and it works well with zha?

violet dagger
#

it doesnt

austere patio
#

??

remote patio
#

what is "it" ?

mighty river
#

zzh

remote patio
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it should work fine.. it's supported

austere patio
#

Must be some other "it" because the zzh does work

violet dagger
#

it works excellent

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since his definition of works well is works most of the time

mighty river
#

πŸ˜–

golden vessel
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πŸ˜„

austere patio
#

In that case Zigbee works well

violet dagger
#

that site is fake news anyway

austere patio
#

Gave me viruses too

remote patio
#

shit.. no wonder it wasn't showing up.. I forgot that I need to pass it through to my home assistant vm

violet dagger
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good thing you remembered that before losing half a day debugging

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like some people... ahem

remote patio
#

that's the worst..

mighty river
#

so zzh and zha work well

violet dagger
#

people say so

golden vessel
#

why you say otherwise @violet dagger ? tell us about your adventures!

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πŸ˜„

remote patio
#

one person here always tells the truth and the other one always lies.. you can ask one question..

violet dagger
#

what did i do now?

austere patio
#

"What is the best integration?"

violet dagger
#

MINE

remote patio
#

zwave

golden vessel
#

I'm honestly curious about what issues you had with zzh + zha

violet dagger
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when did i mention issues?

remote patio
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where did you not not mention issues?

austere patio
#

I can point to a couple

golden vessel
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what are issues?

remote patio
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they're like tissues.. but without a t.

violet dagger
#

i mean there were issues but i was on the testing team and zha didnt have complete support yet

austere patio
#

The hardware is quite capable but the firmware is crap

remote patio
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the firmware from zigbee2mqtt ?

violet dagger
#

that would be koenkk's fault πŸ˜„

austere patio
#

The Z2M builds just tweak config and fix some endpoint bugs, it's all TI's fault

violet dagger
#

i guess zzh is terrible then

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better get a conbee II

wide sigil
#

Having some issues with zha, conbee II & tradfri bulbs: https://lenni.wtf/sharex/2021-01-10_01-59-22.gif
Those are all tradfri bulbs, paired to the ConBee II.
Lights are getting stuck, reporting the wrong state not turning on or off. Anyone got an Idea?
hass Version 2020.12.7
most recent version on the conbee.

violet dagger
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how serendipitous

remote patio
#

I have had plenty of issues with the conbee II

austere patio
#

Is this a light group or just a group of lights? Maybe the conbee doesn't like sending more than a couple concurrent requests

golden vessel
wide sigil
austere patio
#

Debug logs may explain what's happening

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So not a Zigbee group, just a HA group

frail oracle
wide sigil
frail oracle
#

Or is that already solved?

austere patio
wide sigil
wide sigil
golden vessel
frail oracle
violet dagger
#

long af = 16 cm ?

wide sigil
mighty river
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I'll go 16,5 then

austere patio
#

That may be too long

mighty river
#

heheheee

wide sigil
violet dagger
#

16,3 is the sweet spot

mighty river
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xD

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what does af mean??

violet dagger
#

its an ancient unit of measurement

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roughly translates to 180-200 cm

frail oracle
wide sigil
naive ivy
#

One more ZHA question; does anyone know of a way to force the network visualization map to update? After having to reset and re-pair all my lights, it's not showing connections. All the nodes are there but with no lines between them.

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And it's been like that for several hours now

frail oracle
wide sigil
frail oracle
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Causing the firmware to somewhat brick

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Either way

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No clue

wide sigil
#

I see. Given the update via another PC worked, I guess no permanent damage was done.

remote patio
#

sigh.. esxi wants me to turn the machine off just to attach a usb device...

austere patio
wide sigil
lilac wharf
#

@mighty river 2m I believe. I'm not using a pi, I'm using an old laptop

amber gull
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@naive ivy no documented method currently. It’s probably exposed in the web socket api. There will be a scan on demand button in a future releaseοΏΌοΏΌ

molten linden
high ermine
#

Anyone got any tips and tricks to get my IKEA devices added to zha? Im using the sonoff cc2531 adapter that is pre programmed so it works. I got one light working but after 3h of trying to add another light / switch /sensor i must be doing something wrong.

junior viper
#

Hi! Does anyone know if it's possible to change update intervals for the Aqara Water Sensor? Seems to be sending dry/wet only once per hour. Tried drain it with water to trigger notifications, but states dry

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Im using Conbee + ZHA

remote patio
#

well this is disappointing.. i moved one xiaomi button from deconz to z2m and it seems inferior in term of autodiscovery of automation triggers

sour shadow
#

If you mean Device triggers then support for those is relatively new in Z2M

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Such a hardship having to do it the traditional way I know πŸ˜‰

remote patio
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I do. it is.. I have about 1 second a month to work on this stuff.. got to work fast..

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anyway.. it's missing triggers

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that's the real problem

sour shadow
#

So.... submit a PR to Z2M πŸ˜‰

remote patio
#

I should be able to whip that up within 60 years..

sour shadow
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Perfect

remote patio
#

I assume ZHA supports device triggers better?

sour shadow
remote patio
#

or is that a poor assumption?

sour shadow
#

I'm sure you'll find plenty in ZHA to complain about πŸ˜‰

remote patio
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I have a very limited set of devices and I think ZHA supports them all.. just xiaomi, ikea and philips

junior viper
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Haha, I don't want to go from ZHA to Phoscon or Zigbee2MQTT

sour shadow
#

All the options work - it's just about the bits around the edges, whether you're happy with them or not

junior viper
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Just want my damn aqara water leak sensors to be update/polled more frequently

sour shadow
#

Sensors report they can't be polled πŸ˜‰

junior viper
#

Gotcha, I dont even know how to change or set params..

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Ha ha

remote patio
#

I previously wanted to run zigbee on a different device/vm so ZHA was out.. but now I plan on changing that so it's back on the cards

sour shadow
#

Well, try it out and then let us know what you don't like about it shrug

junior viper
#

Replying to me? πŸ˜‚

sour shadow
#

Nah πŸ˜‰

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Somebody else here is never happy/always talking about a broken system πŸ˜›

junior viper
#

Standard πŸ™‚

remote patio
#

everybody has a broken system.. they just don't realise it

sour shadow
wide sigil
#

A lot of my tradfri bulbs on a conbee 2 with zha just got stuck and they don't answer anymore.
Log's showing this: https://pastebin.com/uN7nge8K
Basically TXStatus.MAC_NO_ACK.
Any Idea on how to dig further into the issue?

remote patio
#

for reference this is how the device triggers differ.. only complaint on the deconz side is that the "Turn on" seems redundant.. going to go look through the z2m github to see if I can find what plans they have for device triggers

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hmm.. might reflash my original cheapo zigbee stick so I can run all 3 at once for comparative purposes

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slaesh’s CC2652RB stick.. I don't think this was a thing when I got the zzh! wonder how it compares

sour shadow
#

Pretty much the same - see the pinned messages for stick comparisons (not overall performance though)

remote patio
#

you mean the "An indoor Zigbee adapter range comparison" ?

sour shadow
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Yup

remote patio
#

seems that external antenna beats pcb antenna.. no surprises there

junior viper
#

Tried remove my Aqara Water sensors, and added them again. Soaked them in water, still states as "dry". Are they so bad?

lime locust
#

wrapping my cc2531 in isolation tape shouldn't be a problem right ?

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can i disable its led btw ?

dry fossil
#

It might get warm if you do. Better to print a case for it.

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If you're going to use tape, just make sure it's proper electrical tape.

remote patio
#

hm.. seems z2m has issues removing devices

sour shadow
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Never had a problem here

#

Have you considered that maybe the computers all hate you? πŸ˜›

remote patio
#

oh that's a given.

#

just fails to remove..

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ERROR: Request 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/request/device/remove' failed with error: 'Failed to remove device 'Smart Switch 7' (block: false, force: false) (Error: AREQ - ZDO - mgmtLeaveRsp after 10000ms)'

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and that's after pressing the button just before removing

sour shadow
#

Well, different devices remove differently, battery powered ones may need the same process as for joining, or at least to be woken - pushing the button may not wake them

remote patio
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makes it send a click.. deconz allows removal regardless.. so I should try the same process as joining without allowing joining buy deleting instead?

sour shadow
#

deCONZ probably just dropped the device from it's own mesh and didn't care if the device responded

#

You can use the force removal option to do the same

remote patio
#

hmm.. ZHA doesn't seem to detect my stick.. it's on /dev/serial/by-id/usb-1a86_USB2.0-Serial-if00-port0

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and yet it sees the conbee ii

#

can't get it to pair with zha

#

even though the zha integration said it was succesful.. I'm dubious

# 
2021-01-10 21:52:27 ERROR (MainThread) [zigpy.application] Couldn't start application
2021-01-10 21:52:27 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.gateway] Couldn't start ZNP = Texas Instruments Z-Stack ZNP protocol: CC253x, CC26x2, CC13x2 coordinator
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I used software flow control and the default baudrate.. not sure what the baudrate should be.. wasn't a thing in z2m

#

yeah.. ui says success when adding the integration but the logfile says it fails to start

#

googling for "zzh!" zha baud rate flow control gives me It looks like there aren't many great matches for your search

sour shadow
#

Try the defaults?

remote patio
#

flow control has no defaults.. but I'm pretty sure it's software

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and yes.. it says "success" in the ui but fails according to the logs

violet dagger
#

le manual says In case the autodetection fails, a manual setup menu will be displayed. Check the device path and set Radio Type as ti_cc. Leave other options as they are.

remote patio
#

that's not how it's displayed.. but I assume ti_cc is not the legacy ti radio type? if so then I've chosen ti_cc

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so don't choose a flow control at all? didn't try to see if that would work

violet dagger
#

did the integration autodetect the port or not?

remote patio
#

oh. it IS legacy

#

well that's a surprise..

#

well that didn't help

#

2021-01-10 22:07:56 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.gateway] Couldn't start Legacy TI_CC = Texas Instruments Z-Stack ZNP protocol: CC253x, CC26x2, CC13x2 coordinator

#

not selecting a flow control gives a different outcome.. maybe it works now

#

this time when it said it succeeded it showed me the settings and let me set the area

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and it shows the co-ordinator device.. so it must be working

#

I have no idea why it says success when it's actually failing though...

#

I wonder if i could just make up any bullshit and it would say success

wide monolith
#

I am setting up some a Zigbee network using a sonoff zigbee wifi bridge.
From what I understand there are two ways to go ZHA of Z2T. Is there somewhere that talks about the pro and cos of both?

I have flashed with tasmota using Zigbee2Tasmota firmware and can pair devices to the bridge.
I thought that Z2T would be fine, im ok with managing the zigbee network on the Sonoff bridge, and have other tasmota devices integrated via MQTT so this seemed like a logical setup.
If I stick with Z2T, can I still integrate the zigbee devices in to HA? know of any doco that walks thorough how to do this?

remote patio
#

still can't successfully add a device.. it finfs it and starts to interview it... but then times out repeatedly

#

you mean Z2M ?

#

3rd pinned post

violet dagger
#

if you need to ask you will probably not be able to handle the configuration needed to make Z2T work with HA

remote patio
#

what's Z2T?

#

T for Tasmota?

wide monolith
remote patio
#

ahh.. I've not played with that particular time sink.

#

so far ZHA is the only one I can't add my device to.. can;t see any. clues as to why

wide monolith
remote patio
#

for Z2T?

wide monolith
#

yes

remote patio
#

ooh.. device path can be a socket?

#

no experience with it personally.. so I don't know if it's any good

wide monolith
#

Thanks for the link. That walk though uses ZHA. As I understand this will mean the bridge pass through the zigbee to HA for ZHA to manage. All management will occur in HA not in the bridge.
I have the bridge set up to manage the Zigbee network and send the packets via MQTT.

prime star
mighty river
#

Hello everybody
I have a problem. I have Home assistant running in Virtual Box on my NUC. I use the CC2531 as coordinator for Zigbee2MQTT
I see it being passtrough to Home Assistant. (supervisor -> Hardware)

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In the logs Error: Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error: No such device or address, cannot open /dev/ttyACM0'""

#

And then in supervisor the hardware is gone

#

So it starts Zigbee2MQTT

#

And then after the error hardware is gone

#

Only other error I see is :

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21-01-10 13:42:35 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.api.ingress] Ingress error: Cannot connect to host 172.30.33.1:8099 ssl:default [Connect call failed ('172.30.33.1', 8099)]

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I now also see "failed to set dtr/rts

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in console

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So help would be greatly apprciated

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😦

#

Looks like this with "hardware"

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serial:

  • /dev/ttyACM0
    /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Texas_Instruments_TI_CC2531_USB_CDC___0X00124B000BE95BBD-if00
  • /dev/ttyS0
  • /dev/ttyS1
  • /dev/ttyS2
  • /dev/ttyS3
dry fossil
#

Sad faces and reminders aren't going to encourage anyone to help. Just be patient.

golden vessel
mighty river
mighty river
dry fossil
#

If I understood your messages correctly, it's appearing and disappearing?

mighty river
#

It seems to dissapair

golden vessel
mighty river
dry fossil
#

Is the device plugged directly into your machine?

mighty river
golden vessel
#

Move it to a USB 2.0 port, and also use an usb extension cable, for safety

#

We should add that to this channel's topic πŸ€”

mighty river
dry fossil
mighty river
golden vessel
#

I think it should help reduce interference from usb3.0, yes. I would still recommend an extension connected to the hub

dry fossil
#

The hub will likely be on an extension already, so that makes adding more length less useful.

#

Just anything to position the stick a bit further away from potential sources of interference.

mighty river
golden vessel
golden vessel
mighty river
golden vessel
#

Can a mod pin this or put it in the topic? πŸ‘‡

#

If you are having an unstable network, or if it fails to form a network at all, make sure that your Zigbee usb stick is not connected to a USB 3.0 port, and that you are also using an extension cable, to keep it far from any possible interference.

Using and extension and USB 2.0 port is also recommended by some vendors, like Dresden: https://phoscon.de/en/conbee2/install#connection

You can read about USB 3.0 interference on 2.4GHz devices here: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/io/universal-serial-bus/usb3-frequency-interference-paper.html

mighty river
mighty river
golden vessel
#

but the extension + usb2.0 is something you should do anyway, regardless of the rest IMO

mighty river
mighty river
golden vessel
#

Anyone knows how to get the pretty version number (like 2.03.0123) for ikea devices on ZHA? ZHA only displays the hex version number

#

ah, it is just the hex number with dots πŸ˜„

wise sentinel
#

Hello guys, I am doing a school project on Home Assistant and have o write a paper about it. I found that I have to use the Mosquitto extension, but I don't know what exactly the extension does. All I know is that it's connected with zigbee in some way and I have to use it to get my zigbee stick to work.

#

Could anyone please briefly explain what are the differences between Mosquitto broker and Zigbee2mqtt?

golden vessel
wise sentinel
#

but, what is a mqtt broker?

#

does it like translate http requests to mqtt?

#

and vice versa?

golden vessel
#

I bet you can find that out on Google pretty easily πŸ˜›

junior meteor
wise sentinel
#

oh I missed the broker secion before

#

thanks

junior meteor
#

No problem πŸ‘πŸΌ

austere patio
austere patio
# wise sentinel Hello guys, I am doing a school project on Home Assistant and have o write a pap...

A MQTT broker is only used by Zigbee2MQTT and I think Zigbee2Tasmota. It's just a way for one computer with the Zigbee stick to talk to another computer displaying a UI, using a standardized protocol. This could all be done on the same computer. You can also directly control the Zigbee hardware (like deCONZ and ZHA), or talk to the hardware remotely using some other network transport (i.e. socat to expose a remote serial port with a TCP server).

wise sentinel
#

so the broker decides which messages to send to which devices and the Zigbee2mqtt tells the usb stick to do it?

austere patio
#

When a Zigbee device does something, Zigbee2MQTT takes that event and publishes it to a topic on the MQTT broker.

#

Zigbee2MQTT also listens to topics on that same broker so that other applications can publish events (send a "turn on" command to light 1234) and Z2M will ask the Zigbee stick to send this to the light

sour shadow
#

With MQTT you subscribe to a topic and get told when there's a new message for you
You can also publish to a topic so that other devices can receive those messages

austere patio
#

It's just a way to do RPC. ZHA does the same thing via Home Assistant's service calls.

wise sentinel
#

I see, so the broker is something like a pipe and z2m is like the antenna adapter

#

Thanks guys for the explanation

prime star
azure tinsel
#

Can some one point me to the right direction? I want to learn more about zigbee2mqtt but I can't seem to find an addon or integration where do I start?

obsidian sandalBOT
sour shadow
#

There's an add-on for sure, and they have a website all about it

#

It's even linked in the channel topic

gentle flint
golden vessel
frosty silo
#

Has anyone tried Z-Stack 3.0.x with a cc2531 and ZHA?

austere patio
frosty silo
#

Any problems/glitches/orphaned devices?

austere patio
#

CC2531 is a little underpowered for it and it will perform more poorly than Z-Stack Home 1.2

#

I've only formed test networks with it so I can't speak from experience

#

Any specific reason you want to run that specific Z-Stack build?

frosty silo
#

In what way is it underpowered? Antenna or processor?

frosty silo
austere patio
#

I believe the chip doesn't have enough RAM

#

It already can't reliably handle more than 2 concurrent requests

thorny phoenix
#

cc2531 must follow windows procedure. open all windows to be sure u can miss...and throw it

austere patio
#

And the added memory requirements of Z-Stack 3 don't help

frosty silo
#

What would you recommend me to upgrade to? I plan to switch to a NUC in the future, as my network grows

austere patio
#

Plus Z-Stack 3.0.x's lifetime was a little short so it has some existing bugs

#

Depends on what integration you're planning on using

#

The beefier CC2652R/CC2652RB/CC1352P dev kits and sticks are pretty decent and are supported by everything that supports the CC2531

naive ivy
#

So I've still got one minor thing I'm trying to figure out with ZHA; after updating firmware on a bunch of Ledvance A19RGBW bulbs and removing/re-pairing them, Home Asssistant no longer thinks they're capable of effect modes. Not sure if it's just a glitch or if Ledvance removed colorloop mode from the firmware. They still seem to have colorloop-related clusters available to poke at. Anyone else using these bulbs?

violet dagger
#

Not the best combo for production setup

astral ridge
#

About to throw my old 433 door sensors to hell and replace em with zigbee.
Around 8-10 sensors i think.

I have an aqara on the front door that has worked flawlessly the last year but I hear the new sonoff ones are a better standard?

My setup is conbee 2 stick and ZHA with alot of ikea tradfri and a couple of blitzwolf plugs.

austere patio
#

If it works it works. Even though the Aqara stuff is horribly non compliant I've had zero issues with them

molten linden
#

@naive ivy I have a bunch of Ledvance bulbs A19 and BR30 on latest firmware. none are showing effects. I never used them so couldn't tell you if prior versions had them. I think I've been on the latest FW for a while.

wicked venture
#

Is there an easy way to move a ZHA network to the Sonoff ZBBridge from a HUSBZB-1 or do I have to pair every bulb again?

austere patio
#

I had a Sonoff temp sensor stop reporting temperatures (but not humidity?) yesterday. Gotta get eWeLink or whatever the OEM is to send over the OTA update files if they have any.

molten linden
wicked venture
#

@molten linden my hero thank you

naive ivy
molten linden
#

if you can find the FW there are folks here who can guide you through downgrading.

naive ivy
#

I might give that a shot at some point

#

Or I might start buying a different brand and relegate these bulbs to the basement..

austere patio
#

It's not user friendly but it works

molten linden
#

^ one of the folks 🀣

naive ivy
#

I've been half tempted to start poking at the colorloop-related clusters on the bulb, but I just suffered a three day saga of getting everything stable and I don't wanna break anything again πŸ™‚

woven sonnet
#

Hi guys,
I'm running HA with zigbee2mqtt on a rpi4 and it's working out fine or my lamps (just got it yesterday). But I'm trying to flash my cc2531 with https://github.com/imthemichi/hassio-flashcc2531 but I get ChipID not found. However, I'm not sure how to debug it.

I tried installing flashcc2531 via "git clone https://github.com/jmichault/flash_cc2531.git", but when I try to run ./cc_chipid I get 'bash: ./cc_chipid: No such File or Directory'... So .. Can anyone point me in a direction?

lime locust
#

could any1 recommend some good zigbee lights ? planning on replacing all my tuya wifi(garbage) lights

strange ibex
dry fossil
#

Why sketchy? Plenty of random devices on the market that work.

strange ibex
#

1 rating, just doesn't show up on googlez at all, lol

#

well it probably does if you are more patient that me

#

I just like to see a chunk of people use things when they require mains

lilac wharf
#

Ehh, WCGW? ACOSP_thisisfine

strange ibex
#

everything is fine

dry fossil
#

For only $18, it seems worth trying.

strange ibex
#

lol

#

I was looking at switches for my father. I rather not murder him.

dry fossil
#

Your back boxes are insulated, right? If there's a short in there, it shouldn't cause a fire.

strange ibex
#

assuming the ac dead shorts

#

other magic can happen

#

oh, I didn't even read what you said

#

he is having a knee surgery soon so I was trying to automate things. I don't need smokey boxes either

#

Idk if it is a knee surgery when they replace the knee

#

He has 4/5 different wifi brands right now and I have to go through all of his trash to see what I can flash. He handed me his phone and had a folder for his "smart" devices

lilac wharf
#

oof

#

sounds like it's time to T A S M O T I Z E

strange ibex
#

most definitely. I have to take apart everything to figure out what he has. I didn't mention the wifi bulbs he has.

#

:trash:

lilac wharf
#

Check the MAC address of each device in the router admin page if you can

#

Then check if it's an Espressif MAC

formal pasture
#

Hi all. I have some zigbee outlets that appear in HA as lights (rather than switches). This has some odd consequences for things like "all lights" behavior. Does anyone know if there's a way to make them appear as switches, either through the device's zigbee settings or something in HA?

violet dagger
#

It usually helps if you say which integration you're using

golden vessel
#

Deconz, probably

formal pasture
#

Apologies, I never knew there were other options. zha.

golden vessel
#

what brand and model?

formal pasture
#

For my controller? GoControl HUSBZB-1 (ezsp/ember)

dry fossil
#

For the outlets 🀣

amber gull
# 
zha:
  device_config:
    84:71:27:ff:fe:93:17:24-1:    # format: {ieee}-{endpoint_id}
      type: 'switch'              # corrected device type
formal pasture
#

I assume I can do that even if zha was configured through the GUI?

#

Or rather, I don't assume. πŸ™‚ Can I?

amber gull
#

Yes, it will work either way

formal pasture
#

Awesome, ty.

#

@amber gull Worked like a charm. Thanks again!

wintry horizon
#

probably dumb but important question. i can run a zigbee hub on the same raspberry pi as HAss right?

dry fossil
#

A hub? No, those are physical devices.

#

You can connect a coordinator to your Pi.

wintry horizon
#

well by hub i mean an adapter i guess

dry fossil
#

Those are the USB devices we all use here.

wintry horizon
#

yeah

#

thats what i mean πŸ™‚

#

thanks

dry fossil
#

ZHA is designed to run on the same box. Z2M and deCONZ can run anywhere (including on the same box).

wintry horizon
#

i planned on Z2M so perfect

#

are there any on amazon that you know of? im looking on the Z2M website at the supported ones.

lilac wharf
#

There's only experimental support for that in Z2M

#

YMMV

wintry horizon
#

ill use one of the recommended to make things easier tbh. thanks

orchid elbow
#

hey, i just noticed that my "zigpy.device.Device" "LIGHTIFY BR RGBW" bulbs no longer allow setting the color. not sure when it happened, or if at some point they matched a quirk. using latest 2021.1.1 w/zha + husbzb-1. probably happened in the last month.

i have filesystem level snapshots and syslog going back ages, idk if there's something i can check to see if it was previously matching a quirk? i did some quick grepping and didn't see anything useful.

austere patio
#

Can you look at the debug logs at startup? They should tell you why zigpy didn't think the quirk matches your device

orchid elbow
#

sure, will enable it

#

maybe i can try to roll back only zha-device-handlers to start

#

so it used to match zhaquirks.osram.a19twhite.A19TunableWhite at least between 0.0.38 and cc5b7d0fa55e61280e09d6e6c514f1e7102b44f4 which seems to be 0.0.44 but is untagged

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simply adding the name string to osram/a19rgbw.py wasn't sufficient:

[zigpy.quirks.registry] Considering <class 'zhaquirks.osram.a19rgbw.LIGHTIFYA19RGBW'>
[zigpy.quirks.registry] Fail because input cluster mismatch on at least one endpoint

maybe i will just copy it and figure out the right clusters

austere patio
#

Look at your device signature and compare it to what you think the correct quirk has

orchid elbow
#

well, the A19 RGBW is the correct quirk-ish aside from an electricalmeasurement cluster

austere patio
#

The quirk matcher says that your device has more/less/different clusters

granite wraith
#

is running HA with deCONZ/ConBee II in a Proxmox LXC container possible? I'm so far unable to get it working

orchid elbow
#

i'm just copying it and fixing the clusters

#

seems kind of ... redundant, but i don't know if there's a way to make a cluster optional without defining a whole new device

austere patio
#

Not at the moment

#

You just have to make a new quirk class or something that matches your device exactly

#

Did your device perform an OTA update or something? Or did the quirk itself change?

wintry horizon
#

slaesh the best zigbee hub? i cant decide which to get πŸ˜• i need pretty decent range to cover my entire house id assume

austere patio
#

It's a decent coordinator but range is for the most part determined by router placement, not your coordinator

orchid elbow
#

puddly not sure what changed. no OTA or similar.

#

but maybe home assistant stopped showing color adjustment for the a19 tunable white quirk (which to be clear, does not match anymore anyways)

wintry horizon
#

i will have them next to each other more than likely though i'd assume

dry fossil
#

It's a mesh network. Each router relays the message to the next thing.

#

You don't care about the range of an individual device, only that the mesh... meshes.

wintry horizon
#

router being each device?

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in this instance?

dry fossil
#

Most mains-powered devices.

wintry horizon
#

im sorry im just trying to make sure i fully understand. for example then, one light bulb will connect to the next light bulb essentially?

dry fossil
#

Ugh, that URL.

wintry horizon
#

perfect

#

thank you!

#

i should have no issues at all then

dry fossil
remote patio
#

has anyone succesfully added a xiaomi button to ZHA?

gentle flint
orchid elbow
#

should i need to remove and re-pair it?

remote patio
#

ZHA is nothing but timeouts when trying to add devices :/

austere patio
#

Otherwise it joins the network but ZHA can't figure out what the device is because it never responds to anything

remote patio
#

that's not actually true.. there are two types of xiaomi devices.. the ones that need the poking and the ones that don't

austere patio
remote patio
#

this round button doesn't.. it pairs easily with deconz and z2m

austere patio
#

Either poking or clicking but they don't really respond to any requests after they join a network

remote patio
#

I don't know but neither z2m or deconz has any issues with adding them.. so it's a software thing

austere patio
#

What hardware are you using with ZHA and Z2M? A Conbee?

remote patio
#

this is weird.. like it's paired to both deconz and zha at the same time

#

the ZHA integration seems to be a bit broken in terms of functionality with my devices

#

ZHA gives me a button that has no button functionality

granite wraith
#

okay I have a conbee set up with deconz and I am trying to run a sunrise script to slowly fade a philips hue light on in the morning. Can I not do that using deconz? I can't find a way to directly access the hue bulb from HA

lilac wharf
#

@remote patio buttons are stateless in ZHA

#

Listen for zha_event and use an event trigger or use a Deviceℒ️ trigger in the automation UI

remote patio
#

I think something is messed up as my button is integrated via both deconz and zha according to home assistant

#

though it no longer appears in the deconz integration

orchid elbow
#

what's weird is that i can turn the osram br rgbw's to color by changing the group they're in, but can't get the color controls to show up even with a custom quirk

orchid elbow
#

not sure if it's relevant, but color_capabilities returns None for these

austere patio
#

What does the device signature look like?

orchid elbow
#

i have a very similar LEDVANCE and will set _CONSTANT_ATTRIBUTES for 0x400a, 0x400c to match that

#

well - not sure how similar it is tbh, it doesn't have the useless electricalmeasurement cluster

austere patio
#

The quirk only exposes the 0xFC0F cluster, which has the save_defaults command. It doesn't do much else.

orchid elbow
#

how does this map into hex? bitmap16.16|8|1. i took a guess 0x0801, but it comes back at this now: bitmap16.2048|1

austere patio
#

It's just 16 | 8 | 1 == 25 == 0x0019

orchid elbow
#

thanks

#

duh

austere patio
#

The representation isn't very clear with the period in it

orchid elbow
#

interesting, so now it doesn't have color temperature OR color

austere patio
#

Yeah, it seems like your bulb should just "work", even without a quirk

#

Hmm. Does clicking "reconfigure device" do anything? I'm not sure if those are tied to ZHA being able to bind to the appropriate clusters

orchid elbow
#

nope :/

#

i'll try it again without the quirk, but it didn't work before

#

what the heck - i removed the quirk, and magically they have color controls again

austere patio
#

What did your quirk look like?

orchid elbow
#

i clicked reconfigure, rm'd the quirk.py, and restarted ha. turned the light back on via toggle, and voila, color controls

#

i'd tried a bunch of other stuff like manually editing the supported_features in various registry files

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"supported_features": 63 now...it definitely wasn't that before. going to check a snapshot, it was like 41 or something.

#

it was at 43

#

the second of two identical bulbs still isn't showing color controls

#

it is still showing "supported_features": 41,

austere patio
#

Very odd

#

Since the bulbs are identical, do they have similar entries in your zigbee.db?

#

You can do something like sqlite3 /path/to/zigbee.db .dump | egrep "1234|5678" (with the bulb NWK addresses in base-10)

orchid elbow
#

they do now. but i can see where the constant values i set are now in the db for both of them. after a couple restarts, i turned off the bulb, re-added the quirk, restarted, reconfigured, then removed the quirk and restarted again.

austere patio
#

It's odd that ZHA would not be deterministically populating the supported_features bitmap

orchid elbow
#

magically the second bulb now has color controls

#

let me verify the constant values are actually there. i saw one of the color temp settings in there i think.

#

yeah the rows in attributes changed

#

almost like they had a bad value cached - the old tunable white quirk DID match, and had the constants added to disable color. then that quirk had the device names added which caused it to no longer match.

#

i think the constants i added to the quirk overrode those values :/ maybe clicking reconfigure caused them to be written to the db?

austere patio
#

Hmm. I'll have to see how the _CONSTANT_ATTRIBUTES interact with the attribute cache

orchid elbow
#

cool, thanks

#

i'm just guessing without really knowing how any of it works underneath

#

i'm going to go back and check snapshots going back months to see which values were stored there before...

#

in particular, 16394 (0x400A), B, and C

austere patio
#

Just looking at the code I think it looks like _CONSTANT_ATTRIBUTES would be cached in the db

#

Read attributes that are also in _CONSTANT_ATTRIBUTES I mean

#

But I'm really not all that familiar with ZHA internals or where this potential bug is coming from

orchid elbow
#

uh, homeassistant.20201102 is the snapshot name btw

#

not sure why reconfiguring didn't make them go away - possibly because they had a 'None' value on the bulb itself?

austere patio
#

So you think that quirk mistakenly matched your bulbs, those constant attributes were inserted into the zigpy attribute cache, and then this broke things later on when that quirk un-matched your device?

orchid elbow
#

yes

austere patio
#

I don't think reconfiguring clears the zigpy attribute cache

orchid elbow
#

i'm going to delete those rows and see if it still works

austere patio
#

Shouldn't break anything. It'll just cause a read to be sent to the device, which is totally fine for mains stuff

#

Removing and re-adding the device in ZHA should clear them from your DB

orchid elbow
#

i kinda held off on doing that due to the zigbee group, and entity name probably changing and messing up influxdb configs

austere patio
#

The attribute cache is also loaded only at startup so you'd have to restart HA for the deleted rows to have any effect

orchid elbow
#

ok

#

deleted all 3 attributes from both bulbs and restarted - color controls are still there

#

thanks

austere patio
#

That seems like something that could be fixed in zigpy. There's no reason for the quirk constant attributes to permanently end up in the attribute cache database.

orchid elbow
#

okay, now to remember what i was going to do a few hours ago before i tried (and failed) to change my bulbs to blue πŸ˜„

wintry horizon
#

Anyone know of a good Z2M usb dongle without expensive shipping/expected sooner then the 24th of feb.? πŸ˜‚

austere patio
#

CC2531 + Z-Stack 3 and then wait a month?

naive ivy
#

Does anyone know of a good Zigbee wall switch that can have its buttons decoupled from its relay? I'd like to have physical switches in my rooms without actually killing power to the smart bulbs

orchid elbow
#

not ge tapt πŸ™‚

#

btw, i have some tapts for sale if you want them

strange ibex
#

I thought tapts could

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Nvm quirky

orchid elbow
#

they screw up the mesh if anything is unlucky enough to route through them

#

i have them installed but not joined to the network because of that

#

if you don't need a relay, there are battery powered options and just get switch covers. that's what i've been doing with lutron connected remotes (which, unfortunately are discontinued)

gentle flint
orchid elbow
#

reading the attribute didn't update the cached value

#

oddly...it came back as None

gentle flint
#

Reading attribute updates the cached value, as long as it it successfuly read

orchid elbow
#

even if it comes back as None?

#

or only if there is a value

#

it did not seem to update the value in the attributes table. the only thing that seemed to, was adding a custom quirk with the _CONSTANT_ATTRIBUTES set

#

actually, it wasn't color_capabilities cached, it was color_temp_physical_min and max. but those return None also

naive ivy
sour shadow
sour shadow
proper tangle
sour shadow
#

How are you running it?

#

Add-on? Native Docker? Bare metal?

proper tangle
#

Running HA on raspberry pi 4
Running z2m as an addon fron the addon store

lilac wharf
#

Presumably in the add-on config then

carmine lance
#

Hi there,
i got some issue with my deconz integration of eurotronics spirit thermostat. These devices are connactable, but after a few hour the connection is getting lost and isnt recoverable, without a reset. Is someone here joe could help me?

proper tangle
sour shadow
#

It should handle all the config

lilac wharf
#

Yeah. The standalone version of zigbee2mqtt has a single config file, can't imagine it'd be different for the add-on

proper tangle
#

Ahhh okay, I'll try and go with that. However, i dont know how to add the "legacy: false" option, as its device specific.

lilac wharf
#

Is there a devices: section in the add-on config?

#

Something like

devices:
  '0x286d970001063a09':
    friendly_name: Bedroom button
    legacy: false
proper tangle
#

There as "devices_options: {}"

lilac wharf
#

Hmm. No clue then. Check whatever documentation that exists for the add-on I suppose (assuming you haven't already)

proper tangle
# lilac wharf Hmm. No clue then. Check whatever documentation that exists for the add-on I sup...

I have, however, I will continue to look into it. Maybe adding "devices:" myself will do the trick?
The documentation says this, but I am unsure how to interpret it, as I dont know what any of it refers to. Maybe someone can help with that
' The configuration closely mirrors that ofΒ zigbee2mqttΒ itself, with a couple of key differences:

An additional top-levelΒ data-pathΒ option is required. Set this to the path where you would like the add-on to persist data. Defaults toΒ /share/zigbee2mqtt. Note that bothΒ configΒ andΒ shareΒ directories are mapped into the container (read-write) and are available to you.

If you are using groups or device-specific settings, you must use seperate files, and provide the paths to these files in their corresponding config options as described by the zigbee2mqtt docs. This is due to a limitation Home Assistant places on nested config levels.

See theΒ zigbee2mqtt configuration docsΒ for a complete description of available options. If you're not sure if a new option is supported, check to see if it is included in this add-on's default configuration. If not, you can open an issue to add support for it.
'

lilac wharf
#

well, this looks relevant:

If you are using groups or device-specific settings, you must use seperate files, and provide the paths to these files in their corresponding config options as described by the zigbee2mqtt docs.

#

not exactly sure how to handle that though

wintry horizon
violet dagger
#

and a way to flash it

obsidian sandalBOT
#

The CC2531 and CC2530 sticks are cheap for a reason. They're fine for testing, but do yourself a favour and buy something better.

Command '~cc253x' was invoked by: Tinkerer
wintry horizon
#

im looking at the supported devices and dont really want to pay 15 dollars shipping or wait 2 months really.

violet dagger
#

also don't buy it its bad

wintry horizon
#

gotcha

#

which do you personally recommend?

sour shadow
#

See the pinned message

violet dagger
#

the ones you don't want to pay for

wintry horizon
#

gotcha πŸ™‚

sour shadow
#

For Z2M it's ZZH!, Slaesh, and the CC2538+CC2592

wintry horizon
#

ill suck it up to get better

#

yeah i saw the Z2M supported page there for the adaptors

#

but was just curious if there was a solid cheap solution or that is the way

violet dagger
#

there's a cheap one and there's a solid one

sour shadow
#

Cheap, Good - pick one

wintry horizon
#

ill go good one πŸ™‚

#

thank you guys

desert cloak
#

I have four Sonoff Motion sensors paired with slae.sh stick and z2m. One of these is not reponding at all after a random time unless repair is done. Might work for five minutes to couple of days. Nothing is seen in logs, it just stops sending anything for some reason. Any clue what might it be, or just a bad sensor?

#

Not a signal problem since the router is beside the sensor, about one meter away

#

And battery 100%

violet dagger
#

The router could be the problem

desert cloak
#

Tried both coordinator and two routers (bulbs) other sensor work great this one does not

austere patio
#

I had one of their/eWeLink's sensors stop reporting temperatures but keep reporting humidity the other day so it could be a firmware bug

#

Did you get battery reports?

desert cloak
#

Nothing. It just stops sending anything until resetted

wispy walrus
#

@violet dagger been following your threads on zigbee router to extend a zigbee network on issues in github. seems that accepted solution is to just get a powered zigbee device like a plug to act like a router?

austere patio
simple sentinel
#

Got my slaesh stick, commencing setup procedures.... now

old kernel
#

zwave has the 'heal mesh' type functionality that tells devices to look for best path and reroute. Does zigbee have an analog to this, or is it all self-healing, and i just need to give it time to settle out now that i've migrated?

amber gull
#

Well @austere patio, ZZH died again over the weekend. This was after I applied latest BIOS updates (no smoking gun in changelog) and latest linux kernel. Pulling the stick did let zigpy-znp auto reconnect

#

@old kernel Zigbee is pretty aggressive about continuously building out the mesh -- it really depends on which routing protocol you are using -- if using aodv, it triess to determine route for each flow -- if using source routing it is rebuilding routes back to the concentrator every few minutes

old kernel
#

how do I know which routing protocol I'm using? I'm guessing this is a ZHA default...

amber gull
#

for battery powered devices, they connect to a single router (mains powered device) and their implementation is device specific -- some are better then others at joining a new router, called their parent

#

For ZHA, AODV by default (I think)

old kernel
#

ah okay. I have some battery powered thermostats, two of them connected directly to the concentrator, one connected through a sylvania/osram light, and from what i understand those lights kinda suck at relaying non-light children

#

i'll see if it rerouted already

amber gull
#

you may want to switch to source routing if you over 30/40 devices

#

for your thermostats, do they switch parents often?

#

if not you can rejoin them and force them to a new parent

#

you can only influence them on join, once they are on the network they can join any router (if the devices chooses to)

old kernel
#

I've only had them on this mesh for about 12 hours (on smartthings before that), so I'll keep an eye on it. Looks like none are connecting through the ledvance lights now, though that may be because i killed the mains to them this morning

#

thanks

amber gull
#

I think the zha network visualization scan runs every four hours

#

You can enable ledvance firmware updates in ZHA as well, just to make sure you are on latest

#

to add a device specifically to one router, go config > integrations > zha > devices > pick device and then choose "Add devices via this device"

old kernel
#

neat!

#

(the add via device, not the 4 hour scan window)

austere patio
#

ZZH with the CH340 and whatever magic chip the TI dev kits use?

#

Does restarting HA fix it or is it only pulling the plug?

amber gull
#

Restarting HA does not fix it --- pretty sure it's a hardware issue on the NUC side

#

Haven't tried reloading the kernel module yet

#

Was just looking into unpowering the USB port, but looks like the onboard ports are not uniquely addressable

austere patio
#

Did you ever have this problem with the HUSBZB-1?

molten linden
#

you maybe interested in what i am cooking up then 🀣

amber gull
#

No, never an issue on the Elelabs or HUSBZB-1 -- though I may have missed an occasional watchdog bellows restart

#

sign me up tube! lol

austere patio
#

It uses I think the SiLabs CP210x

amber gull
#

It does

# 
/sys/bus/usb-serial/drivers/cp210x/ttyUSB3
/sys/bus/usb-serial/drivers/cp210x/ttyUSB2
/sys/bus/usb-serial/drivers/ch341-uart/ttyUSB0
#

I watch the log file for ZNP timeouts, then push an alert -- it has an uncanny knack of dying at very inopportune times, lol

austere patio
#

@molten linden If you go for a more cylindrical form factor, you can call it tube's tube

molten linden
#

damn it!

#

off to design new pcb prototypes.

amber gull
#

TubeΒ²

austere patio
#

Should be easy to find on Google with a name like that

gentle flint
amber gull
#

so weird edge case, quirk mismatch populates cache and it won't expire?

gentle flint
#

If quirk fakes the attribute reads (constant attr) then yes

#

But really, if the color bulb does not read the color capabilities attr, then you should sell that bulb on ebay. Must be a really old bulb,

wintry horizon
#

how easy is it to add a new device that isnt on the supported list on Z2M? it looks pretty easy reading the documentation but curious from someone with some experience

lilac wharf
#

Is there a similar device that's already supported?

wintry horizon
#

yeah. im looking around for good solutions for my switches now

#

theres a ton of those i know, but im curious if im limited to that list or if i find something else how hard it would be to add

#

it sounds easy reading it but yeah

lilac wharf
#

That's the first thing to check. If a similar device is supported it could be as easy as copying and pasting the data for it from devices.js and just changing the model number

#

I've added support for a few devices that way

#

One was even already in devices.js, but the model number was off by 1 character from what was in the file, so simply adding that at the end of the list of model numbers was all that was needed

wintry horizon
#

gotcha

#

im not even sure where to find the majority of the devices on the supported list πŸ˜…

lilac wharf
#

Wdym

wintry horizon
#

im just kind of searching the model numbers listed there

#

some come up some dont

lilac wharf
#

What's the brand

wintry horizon
#

well i guess some brands are just aliexpress etc. stores

old kernel
#

does it report the band/model in the logs when it says it isn't supported?

hard river
austere patio
#

If Z2M does the same type of scan as ZHA, then this just says that the repeater is within range of your coordinator but the signal quality is very bad. It doesn't mean that this route will be taken by packets.

dry fossil
#

Even if it's 1... if it works, it works.

lilac wharf
#

Just...maybe with a few retries πŸ˜„

dry fossil
#

no u

hard river
#

Yeah I mean, it's working better then then when the devices had a link of like 10

#

metal garage door + concrete wall 😦

bleak turtle
#

anyone know how to pair sengled g33 bulbs with zigbee2mqtt. It's on the supported list.

hexed pilot
#

Just added my 1st zigbee device to ZHA, a Xiaomi smoke detector. It gets detected as lumi.sensor_smoke is that normal ? It is seen as a binary sensor for smoke and the battery sensor. Am I able to send commands to it to set sensitivity or do a test ?
I used the Conbee II stick.

analog ember
#

@hexed pilot Don't think you can change the sensitivity from ZHA but I might be wrong. The lumi.sensor_smoke is correct. And yes you will get a binary sensor for smoke and a regular sensor for the battery.

analog ember
golden vessel
remote patio
#

seems that only deconz has complete device triggers for xiaomi buttons at this stage.

remote patio
#

what does it mean when a zigbee device shows up under 2 different integrations?

strange ibex
analog flicker
#

It says there is a hub required, Can I skip that and use my zigbee stick?

#

They have a ton of sensors. nice.

analog flicker
lilac wharf
#

@analog flicker yeah, 99% of the time when a Zigbee device says it requires their hub it's a lie

#

There are only a handful of Zigbee devices that are vendor locked

remote patio
#

is there any way to remove a device from an integration without deleting that entire integration? because I can't seem to find it. keeps claiming that it's linked to an integration it was removed from.. could it be that the uuid are the same in both integrations and it's stuck in the old one?

lilac wharf
#

Find the entity at developer tools > states and see if restored: true is in the attributes column

remote patio
#

the entity is under one integration.. but the device is under 2

lilac wharf
#

Oh the device

#

Currently removing devices is only possible for a few integrations I think, such as MQTT

remote patio
#

it's causing all sorts of problems with the automation editor

#

ie it shows device triggers from both integrations.. but seems to be missing some from the current one