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paper steeple
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hey guys.
i just paired my new hue dimmer (zbbridge->ZHA) and i get the battery sensor.
however i thought that now i would get ZHA_EVENTS too (this is my first switch) which is where i can listen to button presses.
but the ZHA_EVENTS is still missing in "available events" (dev tools->events)

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i guess i am missing a step somewhere?

dry fossil
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Missing? It won't appear in the list on the right until something uses it.

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You have to listen to it yourself.

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Events are usually lower case too.

violet dew
paper steeple
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@dry fossil i don't even have the option "zha_events" (in lowercase) on the right list.
if i type "zha_events" and click listen, nothing happens when i press the dimmer buttons

dry fossil
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There's no need to use NR for everything. One step at a time... figure out the events.

paper steeple
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i'll check that out @violet dew

dry fossil
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If you're not getting any events, I doubt NR will help you 😉

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NR can only handle what HA can see.

violet dew
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just for future reference 🙂

paper steeple
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i agree: one step at a time

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so here's the thing @dry fossil
i never had zha_events on the right list. this came up in previous questions of mine in the past, and i was told that is because i didn't have any switches yet, which is what basically uses zha_events
today i got my first switch. a phillips hue dimmer remote. i paired it and get the battery sensor. but still no zha_events
then, i tried a blueprint i found on the forums. and yes, the dimmer works and i can control a bulb with it. and zha_events also shows up on the list and i can listen to it.
HOWEVER: i like to learn this myself, not relay on 3rd party blueprints.
so, i removed the blueprint... and zha_events dissapeared from the list again

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so... what steps do i have to take to make this work manually?

sour shadow
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Possibly stuff only shows there if something is using it

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You can just listen to events though 😉

paper steeple
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@sour shadow like i explained further above

  1. zha_events is not even on the available list on the right and
  2. even if i type zha_events and press "listen" nothing happens when i click the buttons
sour shadow
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  1. Expected
  2. Check your log file
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I can fire any old event, until there's a listener for it, nothing shows on that list

paper steeple
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and when using a 3rd party blueprint, it works

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so, that blueprint does -SOMETHING- that makes it work. and i'd like to learn and know what that something is

sour shadow
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The answer is likely in that blueprint

violet dew
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I have a few hue remotes connected to zha, don't remember that I had to do anything special to get the events to start working. never noticed if zha_events was in my available events list or not though

paper steeple
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well, same with the logs or tat blueprint: even if i look at it.. what am i looking for exacly?

sour shadow
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Well, in the log you'd be looking for things around zha

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In the Blueprint... the code 🤷

paper steeple
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maybe this?

trigger:
  - platform: event
    event_type: zha_event
    event_data:
      device_id: !input "remote"
sour shadow
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There you go, that creates a listener

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At which point, as if by magic, it appears on that list

paper steeple
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ok. so... i need to create a listener

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thats the missing piece

sour shadow
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Well, yes but no, but sure

dry fossil
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Creating a listener won't make the events appear...

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If you listened to that event type already and saw nothing come through, you have other issues to fix first.

paper steeple
dry fossil
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Nothing

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Events still happen even if there's no listener.

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If a tree falls in the woods and no-one's around to hear it, does it still make a sound?
Yes.

foggy gyro
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ok got my Arduino and cc2531 hooked up ran cc_info.py and...... chip is not responding🤦‍♀️

jolly narwhal
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Cc2531 🤕

foggy gyro
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yep I'm thinking I should just buy the better one and wait a month

jolly narwhal
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It is.... Almost usable in a small apartment with a few devices

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If that is your usecase you'll be fine

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If not I would say order zzh

foggy gyro
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that is my use case

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flashing this thing is being hard af

violet dew
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i'm using cc2531 with 60 devices. it works, but I don't feel good about it. hoping it won't crash on me before I get zzh

foggy gyro
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ok! here is what I think the issue is

jolly narwhal
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@foggy gyro I have a cc debugger, easy to flash, but based on pictures I've seen flashing it with a pi should be easy

foggy gyro
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I'm using a nodemcu esp8266

jolly narwhal
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Yeah, never tried that, but heard about it

foggy gyro
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I just dont want to spend the time soldering pins on my pi

dry fossil
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I've only ever used the debugger. Took me 20 seconds and then it went into my drawer of junk.

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Soldering? Quit yo jibber jabber, foo.

jolly narwhal
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Following this?

dry fossil
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Jumper cables 😄

foggy gyro
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Indeed

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looks like this atm

jolly narwhal
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I have a gazillion dupont cables in my workshop, but I just ordered a custom crimp set for dupont

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🐔

dry fossil
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I've never needed more than 5/6 duponts at once 😄

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Shows how simple my stuff's been so far.

jolly narwhal
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Ya basic

foggy gyro
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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/MOjRHvI7IlGynNpUC9f31b-oRHMWomHsUv7HPwOwBUeDeEFk_C7BhPRHJU2E_oZ2OjYK4m5l7orp5Nfp2sbihx1ULVXb6wdyUklXxTXwP3J6m8DSW9agtjlcZXZz7Eb80TwLe-CDtC4YP6EoGeSjNxFxnBvRRqZDb3PSqhosHzN4SGLdMbIsF9_eSL1Vxv4S94a2eb3cdmXEDQYxKG5v-ltxIu9TpOThdfKkTwWqKZq8W5R7auer2l3eZ-rFQ953G94354iY1tJVwNxr4pvTKjOCEI-fhuiUhJJp2k2buwBXex5N9jSbKGzBsLkrUF1IXCzl8ls8z32MShyRjEoXhVYoY80ehAN7NcZhaLWfUvb1NXM_LstASjr08nfta5GjEmecl8wdlUsaN2ie2y4vNr-3qVpwvKhgaCCqoVSeO1HSBQn8k51O6Mi5jyCzzp0PgObkFd12nx9WhGzMs8eHT9cISh9iTZ7tlTS3eOSjnskzNDHA0pmJzgr29Ihhj_FqaADDcCylmLB6A5saad88BRoKVdPWQjZu8oqTFipRpyPqQo8zoq4okHL7i7i6iGIMUVR_VseZzPFrOXEALpcTRmuN0fHFKFb_gu1-xPxYIDMYOZkPewqgzIQSV41OQZxXILi-4PE3eov2rRjoPyGFx8QwRa2i0NqLLroh2yEvPzAblz8ZwgAYddSiL6KkxiI=w293-h220-no?authuser=0

dry fossil
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Oof, that URL.

foggy gyro
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cnt post photos from mobile here

dry fossil
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Used so many bytes in the URL that there were none left for the pixels.

jolly narwhal
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EEeh, you don't need the middle board

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You should go from esp to cc

foggy gyro
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is the middle board creating issues?

jolly narwhal
foggy gyro
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I have no clips

jolly narwhal
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Improvise

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Adapt

dry fossil
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You don't have to use clips...

foggy gyro
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true

jolly narwhal
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Overcome

dry fossil
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Dupont cables are fine 😉

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But... buy clips.

foggy gyro
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lol I have none

dry fossil
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I bet after all this, you wish you'd just bought the zzh! from Dale 😉

foggy gyro
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I am planning to after the new year

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still would have to wait for it though

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assumning it ever gets here

dry fossil
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Waiting is fine 😉 I've just ordered some more stuff from China 🤣

foggy gyro
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I hate waiting

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does dale still have some for sale?

dry fossil
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Last I heard, yes. You'd have to ask him. @waxen jungle, get your ass in here.

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I'd prefer to use Amazon Prime for everything... but I wasn't going to spend £80 on something that would cost £20 from China.

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A couple of pounds more, sure. 4x the amount? I'm waiting.

foggy gyro
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I do too especially with all of the packages that keep going missing

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Should I be buying the ZZH or CC2652RB?

dry fossil
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Yes

foggy gyro
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wow $55

dry fossil
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For what?

foggy gyro
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CC2652RB

dry fossil
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Yeah... just get the zzh! from Dale 😉

foggy gyro
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Dale!? Can I buy your stick?!

dry fossil
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Phrasing 😉

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Dale - he wants your stick! 😉 😉 😉

foggy gyro
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oh it is on purpose for sure

grand lynx
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anyone experience with Wireshark Zigbee sniffer ?

amber gull
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Yes

grand lynx
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zigbee sniffer wireshark cc2531

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Windows 10, Zbos and wireshark installed.

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I get this when I start ZBOS sniffer: Can't start pcap logger

dawn dock
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Hi All, Not entirely sure if this is the best place but... I am looking at setting up HA in a VM on my oVirt stack. I want to make use of Zigbee devices but USB passthru isn't an option. Is there a good way to do this without any dependency on a cloud provider? Is it possible to make my own hub that could handle Zigbee and Z-Wave via the USB sticks?

grand lynx
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I have flashed the firmware of the cc2531 with the zbos firmware as described with succes..

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@dawn dock : use mqtt2zigbee

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or a RPI with a MQTT server..

amber gull
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@grand lynx Not sure on Windows....

golden vessel
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is ZHA fine with multiple devices joining the network at the same time? I'm not sure if it uses some global state during pairing (I don't recall it from looking at the code in the past, but I may have missed it)

dawn dock
grand lynx
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Tried it in Ubuntu linux also, no luck. But my knowledge of Linux is not very good 😉

dawn dock
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well that answers that i think

amber gull
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Can also get a sonoff zbbridge @dawn dock

sour shadow
dawn dock
amber gull
dawn dock
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ah

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think ima give the 2mqtt route a go

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can slap them on a pi pretty easily

amber gull
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A true software architecture connoisseur

foggy gyro
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I pmed Dale

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🤞 hope he has sticks for sale

austere patio
golden vessel
austere patio
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It's all single-threaded async so it should be fine. I didn't have any problems joining multiple bulbs in the same fixture at once, though ZHA performing binding did fill up the transmit buffer really quickly on my stick

pine goblet
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Anyone having issues with the new HA update? Updated last night and this morning all my zigbee devices were unavailable. Tried uninstalling zha integration and reinstalled it and now I can’t discover devices

austere patio
jolly narwhal
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Long live running zigbee2mqtt outside ha 🎉

finite pawn
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What do the numbers on the ZHA network graph mean? I have a bunch of terminal nodes that have numbers like '78' on them. I have 1 coordinator and 3 routers (2 smart plugs and a CC2530 with router firmware). The router nodes have either '0/0' or '1/1' on the lines connecting them.

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My first guess is these 1/1 and 0/0 numbers are like upstream/downstream?

foggy gyro
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oh NO BLUE SMOKE SMELL

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I think I might have fried the cc2531

lilac wharf
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😬

sour shadow
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Ah well, it's not really a loss 😉

foggy gyro
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true

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it was less then $10

sour shadow
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Though, smoking one is quite impressive 😄

foggy gyro
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I spend more on beer

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I was trying to 3.3v hookup cause I can not get it to flash. The leds went dark and... blue smoke smell

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anyway to know if it was the cc2531 or the ardunio?

austere patio
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I don't think a CC2531 without firmware really does anything even when plugged into a USB port so 🤷‍♂️

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You should see a serial port if you plug in the Arduino

foggy gyro
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still see the ardunio

austere patio
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On the other hand, I thought I fried my CC2531 when flashing it. Re-flashing at least the bootloader section using the slow method revived it.

foggy gyro
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I keep getting The chip is not responding. Check your connection and/or wiring! using the slow method

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I am also using a GBAN debuger bug that is just a break out unit right?

austere patio
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The cable?

foggy gyro
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and the little board

austere patio
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Yeah they just expose the pins on a board with standard pin spacing

foggy gyro
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that is good news

austere patio
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Make sure to probe the connections with a multimeter or something to make sure they're not mirrored or flipped

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I think the Z2M documentation assumes you'll be bending the debug header pins and using clips

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The board and cable combo may flip them around or something

foggy gyro
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let be probe it I should have done that from the start

verbal shale
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hi, i did receive it today

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and it works amazly xD

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with zha

foggy gyro
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they are flipped!!!

radiant pawn
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can anyone help point me to instructions on how to completely reset my ConbeeII and remove ALL devices from it?

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I've removed them all from the Phoscon UI

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but they still appear in the deCONZ UI

foggy gyro
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OMG IT IS WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

austere patio
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Woo

foggy gyro
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I am an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so happy to be this stupid right now

waxen jungle
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@foggy gyro @dry fossil I have been in talks with the manufacturer to get some in bulk for resell in the US. But yes, I have one stick still available.

jolly narwhal
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Ah, finally some good fracking usb sticks

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Delicious

royal star
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new usb stcks?

jolly narwhal
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zzh

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The shizzle

royal star
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ooooh

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zzh isnt new 😉

sour shadow
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Relatively new...

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The challenge for most folks is getting hold of them 😄

royal star
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i got mine back in july

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i have 2 actually

sour shadow
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Yeah, I got mine as part of the first, faulty, batch 😂

jolly narwhal
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I'll keep my CC1352 for now though ⛹️

royal star
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the faulty batch wasn

foggy gyro
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IT IS WORKING

royal star
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't all that faulty, but i still have better LQI w/ the fixed one

sour shadow
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Mine was one of the dodgy ones, apparently, but a wait of a few weeks didn't kill me 😄

foggy gyro
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I can see the chip using cc_info.py

jolly narwhal
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I should for the lulz just mod my CC1352 to use the external antenna

sour shadow
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My Slaesh stick is still in the drawer though, one day I'll get around to setting that one up too

royal star
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my faulty unit i had running as a coordinator for a little bit, it worked on par w/ the 2531

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but in my usecase the 2531 worked great for me. the zzh seems to have upped LQI and responsiveness

austere patio
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Yeah that 8x increase in request concurrency helps

royal star
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i have a smart plug buried deep in my entertainment center and it never drops off

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the zzh decided to route to it directly through the wall rather than go through my other routers

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the cc2531 never did that

jolly narwhal
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My cc2531 got to live 12 hours as a coordinator before I killed it

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And moved back to the hue hub while waiting for my cc1352

strange ibex
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lol

jolly narwhal
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That took 3 days from Houston to Norway

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Running ever since

austere patio
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I wonder if the CC1352P-2 actually increases effective range, since the destination device usually has to reply with an acknowledgement anyways, usually at a much lower power

dry fossil
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Doesn't it have a better receiver as well?

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Doesn't matter that the other devices have weak transmitters.

jolly narwhal
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No idea, but it is rock solid, and covers my whole house (three floors 252m2) and 100 devices without skipping a beat

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And more devices are coming

foggy gyro
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 - Chip erase...
 - Flashing 4 memory blocks...
 -> 0x0000 : 8176 bytes 
    Progress 100%... OK
 -> 0x1ff6 : 10 bytes 
    Progress 100%... OK
 -> 0x3fff0 : 1 bytes 
    Progress 100%... OK
 -> 0x2000 : 239616 bytes 
    Progress 0%... ``` AHHHHHH
strange ibex
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... OK

royal star
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their receiver sensitivity is the same

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so i wondered that myself

austere patio
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Should help with at least broadcasts and multicast requests then

foggy gyro
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I have spent nearly 18 hours trying to get tot his moment

austere patio
jolly narwhal
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Zstack3 on a cc2531, that sounds ambitious

royal star
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i ran it no problems 🙂

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albeit a small a network in my 1000sqft apartment

jolly narwhal
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How small?

royal star
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15 devices total, 3 routers

jolly narwhal
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Impressed still

royal star
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i attribute it to having my zigbee network on channel 26

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the 2.4ghz congestion is so bad in apartment complexes

jolly narwhal
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Yeah, I've lived 9 months in an apartment complex

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That was enough

royal star
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luckily most people havent clued in on 5ghz

austere patio
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I wonder when multi-frequency Zigbee devices will start showing up. The CC1352P is supposedly low-power and can run at sub 1GHz as well as 2.4

jolly narwhal
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Yup

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The sub GHz stuff is what made me choose it

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Just for lulz, in case

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Reminds me, got my lora stuff today

royal star
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i was wondering too, subghz zigbee is bascally z-wave but better

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if only there were any devices for it

austere patio
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Hard to market Zigbee interoperability when your stuff won't work with anything else

royal star
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agreed

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even the 2.4ghz device market is pretty slow to grow

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aqaras z3 devices announced a while back never really came to fruition

austere patio
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Hey they have a light sensor

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For all that necessary per-room light sensing

royal star
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i need to document my per-room lumen levels over time

austere patio
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I have confirmed that they go up when the sun is out

royal star
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😱

jolly narwhal
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😂 😂 😂

austere patio
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But the low resolution on the Aqara sensors does make the readings useless when it's getting dark

jolly narwhal
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I have no interest in room luminance, circadian lighting just controls my lights based on external factors

royal star
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knowing sunrise / sunset is probably enough

sour shadow
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The new Xiaomi Mijia light sensors are pretty solid

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I use them for do I need additional lighting

austere patio
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Do you keep them in closets or something instead of motion sensors?

sour shadow
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Nah, in the rooms

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Then lighting comes on as the room gets dark, if the room is occupied

austere patio
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Do the Aqara motion sensors report light levels if there has been no motion?

sour shadow
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Nah, those are rubbish light sensors

austere patio
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I guess higher sensitivity would be nicer and would make that sort of stuff more usable. I didn't have good results with those built-in sensors

sour shadow
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Yeah, bin those for that purpose 😉

dry fossil
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I'm sure I get lux from my Aqara stuff without motion.

sour shadow
austere patio
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Yeah, I seem to recall the readings clip to 0/1024 really easily

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I think the new ones have a 16-bit data type or something

sour shadow
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That one is interesting because it provides both lux and Illuminance

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Which seems to allow you to differentiate between "daylight" and "artificial"

royal star
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does it though?

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raw measured illuminance vs lux

sour shadow
royal star
sour shadow
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Right and left peaks are artificial, main peak is daylight

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I haven't drilled down properly, just noticed it the other day

royal star
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you measured this yourself?

sour shadow
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👁️

royal star
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that's interesting

sour shadow
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Yeah, I really need to properly dig in and do comparisons, but ... eh

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It looks close enough

royal star
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in what way would it be able to differentiate between artificial light vs daylight

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temperature?

sour shadow
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I assume so, I know the Aqara sensors don't report artificial light well

austere patio
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Seeing which lights are currently on?

sour shadow
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Maybe they're filtering on wavelengths 🤷

royal star
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a warm lightbulb in front of it would make it think daylight?

sour shadow
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Probably need a daylight bulb

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Which I don't have, even if I was curious 😄

royal star
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i bet if we know the sensor it uses we could figure it out

quick hare
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Hey there guys and girls! I am wondering if any of you have some experience with Philips Hue bulbs and ZHA? I am currently using IKEA Tradfri Bulb and although it is bright, the firmware they have is just plain horrible. For example : when doing a color transition with IKEA (FLUX component), it just stop responding to commands until it ends the transition. Is this an issue with Philips Hue devices?

austere patio
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Have you tried upgrading the firmware on the bulb?

quick hare
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Yeah they got updated until IKEA broke their firmwares.

austere patio
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Hmm, then it probably won't help

quick hare
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I read on Reddit that IKEA have aknowledged this issue years ago and yet did nothing about it. 😦

jolly narwhal
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I use almost exclusively IKEA tradfri bulbs

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I have no noticeable issues

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Mine transition through brightness and CT all day though

quick hare
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Mine is only CT. Brightness is not automatic.

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And you can still send on / off commands to it while it does a transition?

jolly narwhal
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Well yeah, since the transition takes 2 seconds or so

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Adjusted every 5 minutes through circadian lighting

quick hare
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Ahhh that’s why.

jolly narwhal
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I never manually transition my lights

quick hare
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I don’t use Circadian integration, I use FLUX.

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I guess FLUX does it thru long transitions.

jolly narwhal
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Flux was shit

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Ran it for a month

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Before I switched

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Don't understand why it is still the default component

sour shadow
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Adaptive is coming in soon

lilac wharf
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Do those tradfri have hardware or software PWM?

quick hare
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Yet, if it stop responding while transitionning, it is still an issue since i’m refraining from using nice scene transitions.

sour shadow
quick hare
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So I was simply wondering if Philips Hues had the same behaviour.

sour shadow
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Doesn't look like Adaptive will make it to 2021.01 though 😦

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Still, HACS FTW 😄

quick hare
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I love those merges with GIFs making you visually excited for it. 😅

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Another issue with the IKEA stuff is with devices that sleeps for a very short while like the Yale doorlock. If it does not fall into the time frame the lock is online, it just drops the message without even retrying. 🙄

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Where directly connected to the coordinator, it works 100% of the time.

foggy gyro
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ok trying to configure my Zigbee2MQTT using the public broker test.mosquitto.org

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and it is not working my config on my pi zero

mqtt:
  # MQTT base topic for zigbee2mqtt MQTT messages
  base_topic: zigbee2mqtt
  # MQTT server URL
  server: 'test.mosquitto.org'
  # MQTT server authentication, uncomment if required:
  # user: my_user
  # password: my_password```
sour shadow
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Why would you do that?

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Spin up Mosquitto

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If you really need to, use CloudMQTT

foggy gyro
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I cannot seem to get mosquitto to work

sour shadow
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Then you need to fix that 😉

foggy gyro
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lol i know

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ok let try that again

sour shadow
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My entire mosquitto.conf is basically:

pid_file /var/run/mosquitto.pid
user nobody
port 1883
cafile /usr/local/share/certs/ca-root-nss.crt
password_file /usr/local/etc/mosquitto/pwfile
jolly narwhal
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@quick hare yeah no idea about that , I would never use a smart lock, and with zigbee2mqtt currently it seems like most of my devices are connected to the coordinator, plus other devices

quick hare
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Instead of us doing back and forth abandoning the guests.

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And let’s be honest, it’s easier to pick a lock than to hack it anyway. 😅

jolly narwhal
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I'm... Privacy and security aware

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Smart locks and indoor cameras are a no go zone

sour shadow
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I have no choice about a smart lock unless I replace the door 🤣

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Not gonna do that...

quick hare
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Would really like to chat with someone owning Philips Hue with ZHA to get their input. 😦

sour shadow
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Somebody will turn up, eventually

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Or you could start a forum thread to increase the odds of it being noticed 😉

quick hare
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Yeah might attempt it, I was sure it was a very popular device among HA & ZHA users.

foggy gyro
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How do I find out what my mqtt server address is?

lilac wharf
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The IP address of the machine that's running your broker

foggy gyro
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yeah says it cnt copnnect

sour shadow
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Then check the logs for the broker 😉

foggy gyro
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broker says listening on port

sour shadow
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So point your MQTT Explorer install at it, with the username and password you set, and see 😉

jolly narwhal
foggy gyro
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I set a username and apssword?

sour shadow
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Presumably?

foggy gyro
#

where do I do that?

lilac wharf
#

You can (and should), but it's not required

sour shadow
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Depends on whether you defined a password file or not

quick hare
jolly narwhal
#

Yes, which are equally popular platforms as zha

quick hare
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Ah wait i’m mistaken with ZigPy but still.

foggy gyro
#

I have no config files or any files for mosquito broker

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is this my server? http://192.168.1.7:1883/ assuming ip is correct

#

so ```# MQTT settings
mqtt:

MQTT base topic for zigbee2mqtt MQTT messages

base_topic: zigbee2mqtt

MQTT server URL

server: 'http://192.168.1.7:1883/'

MQTT server authentication, uncomment if required:

user: my_user

password: my_password```

lilac wharf
#

So you don't have a mosquitto broker set up?

foggy gyro
#

I have mosquito running in docker at that ip

lilac wharf
#

There should be some configuration file for it then

foggy gyro
#

I dont see one

lilac wharf
#

Are you using docker compose?

foggy gyro
#

yeah i have a yml file

#

mosquito is running and logs say it is listening on that port

sour shadow
# 
  server: 'http://192.168.1.7:1883/'
``` 🤔
#

I really doubt it's talking HTTP

lilac wharf
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Oh I didn't even see that lol

#

Yeah that's an issue

sour shadow
jolly narwhal
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🐔

sour shadow
#

🤦

#

I "assume" you've actually tested with MQTT Explorer?

foggy gyro
#

what is MQTT explorer?

#

so no

sour shadow
#

The standard tool we always tell people to use to test their broker with 😉

foggy gyro
#

getting it now

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no go

#

so using mqtt explorer I can not see it

#

docker logs

1609449656: Opening ipv4 listen socket on port 1883.
1609449656: Opening ipv6 listen socket on port 1883.
1609449656: mosquitto version 1.6.12 running```
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no config exists there though

foggy gyro
#

I'm going to put the broker on my pi

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That worked!

pine goblet
#

@jolly narwhal stupid question but how would zigbee2mqtt have prevented my issue?

jolly narwhal
#

Because it is not updated when you update HA

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And runs seperate from HA

austere patio
#

I doubt the issue is with ZHA though. It changes very little architecturally.

#

Also Z2M doesn't support EZSP coordinators so it's not going to be of much use here

foggy gyro
#

ok it is working now I need to connect zigbe2mqtt to ha!

#

how do I get attached zigbee devices to populate in HA

wheat rose
#

it's just a CC2531 stick. The problem is I can't access anything about the integration because it won't load. Is there a way I can see this that isn't through the UI?

lilac wharf
#

@foggy gyro enable HA autodiscovery

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Connect HA to your MQTT broker if you haven't already

foggy gyro
#

the discovery is what I am trying to figure out

golden vessel
lilac wharf
foggy gyro
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lol I was using 8132 instead of 1883

pine goblet
#

Okay I’m putting the debug code into the configuration.yaml. Any specific spot I’m supposed to put it inside there or just at the end?

austere patio
#

Doesn't matter

pine goblet
#

Okay I pasted it and it put it on one line, is that okay?

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Or is that not ideal

austere patio
#

How do you put it on one line? The debug config is like 10

pine goblet
#

It pasted it al into one line lol

austere patio
#

I don't think the YAML parser will like that but it'll let you know if it doesn't

pine goblet
#

Yeah okay I’ll just split it up

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After I do this, where do I go to grab the log?

austere patio
#

In the same folder as the config file. It'll be fairly large and may contain sensitive data so take a look at it before uploading it or filter out only the entries related to zigpy, zha and bellows

obsidian sandalBOT
#

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radiant crescent
#

Sorry for the multiple messages, was trying with the "`" things.

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I'm not spaming..

jolly narwhal
#

Well, yes you are

dry fossil
#

Yeah... clear spam.

lilac wharf
#

Looks like you were a bit above the line limit (15), anything like that should be shared on pastebin or similar

dry fossil
#

Once is a mistake. 3 times... wtf?

lilac wharf
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It's better for those on mobile

radiant crescent
#

Well once a mistake, then tried with "" X3, still didnt work so i tried with "" X 3 at the start and end of the code.

#

Is that what it is, the code was more than 15 lines?

dry fossil
#

That the message was.

#

Bot doesn't care which bits were code and which weren't. Nor do we, tbh... wall of text = wall of text.

#

What do you see in the logs when you try to pair it?

radiant crescent
#

It pairs fine, there are no errors in the logs. Its just the State... it does nothing.

dry fossil
#

.share what you get in the logs when you pair it

obsidian sandalBOT
dry fossil
#

I didn't ask if you see errors. I asked what you see.

radiant crescent
#

Ill remove and readd again, the logs have been over written from what i can see.

# 
INFO: MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/log', payload '{"message":"interview_successful","meta":{"description":"Motion sensor","friendly_name":"0x000d6f0011fdde38","model":"MP-841","supported":true,"vendor":"Visonic"},"type":"pairing"}'
dry fossil
#

I'm only interested in the newest ones. Don't worry about losing old stuff.

#

Is that all you get?

radiant crescent
#

No, a ong string of stuff.

dry fossil
#

Share it all.

radiant crescent
#

trying to figure out how to show it to you.

dry fossil
#

You've been told several times already how to share.

radiant crescent
#

Yeah.. hence the trying to figure it out. I've never done that before.

#

Never used haste bin before.

dry fossil
#

Do you have MQTT Explorer?

radiant crescent
#

In the Exposes tab of the device, all i see is this.

occupancy
Indicates whether the device detected occupancy
N/A
battery_low
Indicates if the battery of this device is almost empty
N/A
tamper
Indicates whether the device is tampered
N/A
linkquality
Link quality (signal strength)
N/A
lqi
#

No i dont have it.

#

is that an addon?

dry fossil
#

It's a Windows application. It's free, go install it and start it up.

radiant crescent
#

and that will work if im using the HA Mosquitto broker?

dry fossil
#

Use it to connect to the same MQTT broker you set up for z2m.

radiant crescent
#

Downloaded and installed, now i just have to figure out how to get it connected as im using a VM with the HA_OS.

radiant crescent
#

Im connected now,

dry fossil
#

Great. Take a look at the topic the logs said it would be configured on: zigbee2mqtt/0x000d6f0011fdde38

#

Wave your hand in front of the motion sensor, see if any new messages come through.

radiant crescent
#

Nothing is popping up from what i can see.

dry fossil
#

Then you've narrowed it down. It's not HA, at least.

#

Anything in the z2m logs when you wave your hand around?

radiant crescent
#

Not that i can see. Originally i had the Deconz stick and the sensors worked with Z2M, but then i moved to Zig-a-zig stick and started HA from scratch with a new computer and VM.

#

If i can add it to HA, then its probably not the stick either, i would think.

#

A bunch of other zigbee things work, its just these 3 identical motion sensors i cant get to work.

dry fossil
#

The fact that it paired successfully suggests there should be compatibility. If you're seeing no activity, it just sounds like the sensors are duff.

lilac wharf
dry fossil
#

Yeah, but noone uses Linux as their home machine.

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Except you homelab nerds.

radiant crescent
#

Funny enough, i was using Ubuntu as the main OS, but then i also got into BLue Iris and cameras and was told to use HA on a VM and use Blue Iris on the main windows 10 OS.

#

Also, FYI, not sure WTF happened, but i just reset the sensor again for the 100th time today and this time its working fine...

#

Nowi will have to see what happens with the other 2. The only thing i can think of thats changed is the MQTT Explorer, but not sure how that would make a difference.

dry fossil
#

They sound about as good as IKEA stuff. Takes me dozens of pairing attempts for those to work .

lilac wharf
#

@dry fossil tbh I'm tempted to switch to windows on my desktop...video driver issues on ubuntu are driving me nuts

#

I don't want to switch to Windows' stupid convention for file paths though

dry fossil
#

Haha. Or the file path length issues...

gentle flint
lilac wharf
#

Seriously though. Drive letters are dumb IMO

radiant crescent
#

So the other 2 are now working also, thank you for your help.

lilac wharf
#

Unix file path convention makes way more sense IMO

glass gate
#

I recently purchased Wireless Zigbee CC2531 Sniffer Bare Board from Ali express to work with my home assistant installed on Raspberry pi. I have tried connecting this USB module to all the USB ports but some how Home assistant doesn't recognize the hardware . any help will be appreciated.

gentle flint
#

You probably need to flash that bare board with a coordt firmware. Keywords for google: zigbee2mqtt

earnest hinge
#

are there any zigbee bridges that work reliably and that are supported by zha? or some way for multiple hypervisors to be able to access usb devices?

royal star
#

@earnest hinge that's a non-sequitur

earnest hinge
#

the part about brifges beeing reliable?

austere patio
#

Just to figure out what you're trying to get done, why do you want multiple hypervisors to access a single usb device (if I'm understanding your question directly?)?

meager vortex
#

Not sure if I am in the right channel here. Looking for guidance regarding adding a Sengled Smart Switch and only seeing the power/battery sensor. Should I be asking here or in devices?

lilac wharf
#

You're good here. What Zigbee integration are you using?

meager vortex
#

ZHA

lilac wharf
#

Listen for zha_event at developer tools > events and use an event trigger

meager vortex
#

then press buttons and see what i get?

lilac wharf
#

Or see if a Device trigger is available for it in the automation Ui

meager vortex
#

ya its not in automation UI the way i expected it to be

#

cool, i think that puts me in the right direction

#

rather, gives me a direction to go

#

i assume ill have to manually create sensors for this?

lilac wharf
#

Nah, you can just use an event trigger

earnest hinge
#

@austere patio so i can live migrate my ha instance when i do maintenance on my hypervisor. or it can be restarted on another node in the hyperviusor cluster if the current host fails without human intervention

austere patio
#

Hmm. That I do not know but the USB-serial chips used by most devices are common so you can test this yourself if you have a specific coordinator in mind

#

The Silicon Labs and Texas Instruments radio libraries for ZHA can also survive a complete USB disconnect and will perpetually attempt to reconnect to the configured serial port so that may simplify things

#

Not sure about the Conbee radio library

jolly narwhal
#

Most hypervisors won't necessarily allow live migration with passthrough PCI or usb devices

#

Without additional licensing

earnest hinge
#

yeah right. guess for usb passthrough one could just remove it and then put it back on the new host. but that would get quite complicated

crimson tide
#

this is probably a really dumb question, but does monitoring the battery level of a device drain the battery faster?

lilac wharf
#

No, the device reports its battery status as often as it likes to (if at all)

crimson tide
#

i noticed my ikea remote's power dropped from 22% to 15% in 24h's, without even having been used, which seems unreasonably fast

#

maybe it was just misreported at some point, i've been moving over the devices from the ikea gateway to zha the past day or so

earnest hinge
#

mine went from 89 to 92 😦

meager vortex
#

or the battery drops faster at that level?

lilac wharf
#

Batteries don't always have a linear curve, and battery percentage is generally finicky anyway

#

I strongly prefer when manufacturers simply report battery ok/low

jolly narwhal
#

Super/ok/bad/ohshiiit/fumes/ded @lilac wharf

#

Reminds me of the VW Tiguans shitty battery indication

livid abyss
#

@crimson tide Are you using the Sonoff bridge with ZHA? There is some sort of problem that drains batteries very fast in Ikea remotes atm.

dry fossil
#

How does that work? Remotes can't be polled, so the bridge has no influence over it.

dry fossil
livid abyss
dry fossil
#

You don't need to tag me...

#

And I'm sure there are plenty of people with that 'problem'. Batteries do as batteries do.

jolly narwhal
#

@dry fossil

dry fossil
#

just as a followup on my earlier contribution:
Today I especially installed the Conbee II stick and was hoping the Ikea motion sensor (older model) would behave better. Using the Deconz Phoscon integration and add-on.
Unfortunately, only after about 6 hours, the batteries (which were new high quality ones) are down to 21 %....

Seems not a very viable solution just yet either. Or, must be an issue with the sensor itself? No way to test I am afraid?

#

So... the only thing in common is the sensor (and maybe the same batch of batteries) and it still breaks. 🤔

sour shadow
#

Humans are really bad at linking cause and effect...

dry fossil
#

Indeed. I blame pareidolia.

#

We see patterns where there often are none.

#

It's a natural tendency but one some people can't consciously resist.

sour shadow
#

Great thing about doing science or engineering, you get learn that evidence wins over observation, and you need to validate your observations with evidence

#

Also, single data points aren't data points - they're just snippets of information

#

Same box of batteries exhibiting the same behaviour in that device. Could be the device, could be the batteries - you can't tell

dry fossil
#

Yup. Isolation is key.

sour shadow
#

My Fibaro multi-sensor ate batteries like there was no tomorrow, and I initially blamed the sensor, since others report the same problem. Then I changed the battery brand...

livid abyss
#

Well, in my case I used the remotes for several months on the Ikea hub, and then tested zigbee2mqtt while waiting for the Sonoff to arrive. The batteries did not go down more than expected with either one, but when I switched the same remotes to ZHA fresh batteries drained within 2 weeks. This is with 3 remotes, I doubt it's the batteries or the remotes.

sour shadow
#

The thing is, battery (end) devices can't be polled, they report when they report. At most the difference is how they connect to the mesh, maybe they're using a different parent?

livid abyss
#

I'm not sure, I haven't looked into that. This is all within a 10 m radius around the hub in a large room.

vestal marten
#

Hello,
Novice question:
Is there any cc2351 device that connects directly to the power socket and not to a Raspberry Pi and acts as coordinator?

sour shadow
#

No

#

There are other options, for zha anyway

livid abyss
#

What's the best way to look at my zha network? Is there a way without installing a custom component?

sour shadow
#

There's likely a map option 🤷

livid abyss
#

Hah, how did I not notice that before, it's right there...

subtle portal
faint garnet
#

what should i do if after added a new device with zigbee2mqtt i cant see it in the mqtt entities?

jolly narwhal
#

Well, did you see it successfully interview in zigbee2mqtt? Or can you see it in Zigbee2mqtt web interface?

#

And do you have auto discovery enabled in your mqtt integration?

faint garnet
#

i see it in the gui

faint garnet
jolly narwhal
#

Then it should show up

faint garnet
#

Interview completed
Yes

#

thats what i can see in the info of the device

#

ok, fixed. i just change the name

#

now i can see it as an entite in mqtt integrations

crisp crag
#

not sure where to look but need some help with some zigbee devices. i've got some aqara sensors and i'm trying to set them up but not working. i'm running mqtt and openzwave on core. i've got the nortek zwave/zigbee usb stick. i'm not sure if i have to set up zigbee2mqtt or what?

sour shadow
#

With that stick you can only use zha

obsidian sandalBOT
sour shadow
#

Just follow the docs for it

crisp crag
#

ok thank you!

#

hmm, it doesn't give me a list of detected serial ports for zigbee radio. wonder if i screwed something up

#

nvm

prime star
#

Hello - I am considering getting the sonoff bridge for motion detection. does anybody here use the SNZB-03 ? Is it reliable - I will probably flash tasmota prior to using it.

violet dagger
#

it is

prime star
#

oh great - was concerned by the flase positives reported in some forums

dry fossil
#

Depending on your use case, false positives can be better than false negatives.

#

I'd rather be notified about cats triggering a motion sensor than not be notified when there's a burglar.

foggy gyro
#

How do i find out if a device paired with zigbee2mqtt?

jolly narwhal
#

You check the config

#

And logs

sour shadow
#

Or, easier, use the Zigbee2MQTT UI 😉

foggy gyro
#

how do I access the UI?

sour shadow
#

If you haven't enabled it, enable it 😉

foggy gyro
#

Do I just add frontend: with nothing else?

barren vortex
#

I'm currently using a zzh with the ZHA integration, but am not really satisfied with the responsiveness and reliability of the network. My HA server is located in the basement so I depend on a few zigbee routers / repeaters throughout the house. I'd like to try migrating over to zigbee2mqtt running on a raspberry pi located somewhere centrally. Is there a somewhat straight forward method of migrating without having to repair all bulbs and re-configure in home assistant?

sour shadow
#

In theory they're all paired to the stick and it might work to just move the stick

#

HA will require some rework to remove the old entities and rename the new ones to match the old

foggy gyro
sour shadow
#

However you'd normally restart it 🤷

foggy gyro
#

All I know is to unplug the pi and plug it back in lol

sour shadow
#

I mean, I use Docker, so I just docker-compose restart zigbee2mqtt

#

You really hate your HA install don't you

#

That's an awesome way of getting a broken system

foggy gyro
#

zigbee2mqtt and the mqtt broker on running on a pi zero

#

HA is running in docker on my mac right now

sour shadow
#

Well, on the Pi Zero you can either reboot, which is insane, or restart Z2M

foggy gyro
#

how does one restart z2m is my q

sour shadow
#

How the heck are you running it?

foggy gyro
sour shadow
#

My mind reading skills are broken for this year, after too many idiots last year

#

I mean... it's in their own docs, on that page

prime star
foggy gyro
#

lol it is right here sudo systemctl stop zigbee2mqtt

sour shadow
foggy gyro
#

for host do I put the devices own ip?

sour shadow
#

No need to list that

# 
frontend:
  port: 8080
``` that's all I have, and the second line is optional
foggy gyro
#

does the order matter?
or this ok?

permit_join: true
frontend:
  # Optional, default 8080
  port: 8080
mqtt:
  base_topic: zigbee2mqtt
  server: 'mqtt://localhost/'```
sour shadow
#

It's YAML, all that matters is that you keep the structure correct 😉

#

Though, that second line 🤢

foggy gyro
#

it worked!

#

whoohoo

#

times out on the load though

dry fossil
#

After all the help you got with getting Docker Compose going, you're running z2m on the host? 🤔

foggy gyro
#

Loading devices takes too long time.

sour shadow
#

It's a zero, they're not exactly fast

foggy gyro
#

yeah I could not get it to work with docker at all

sour shadow
#

🤨

foggy gyro
#

Also My mac couldn't see the serial for some reason

#

cool it is paired!

#

do remotes appear as devices in HA?

sour shadow
#

For Z2M they do, at least all of mine do

foggy gyro
#

ok Time to figure out why I cannot see them

sour shadow
#

Check the HA logfile to see what's going on

obsidian sandalBOT
#

If you're having problems with your updates to your configuration:

  • Check the troubleshooting steps
  • Check your log file - remembering you may need to set logger to info or debug
  • Explain what the problem you're having is - sharing configuration, errors, and logs
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foggy gyro
#

lol a typo in mqtt broker address there was an extra .

#

the remote is in HA!

#

scripting time

sour shadow
mighty river
#

Hi guys, having some significant problem here.. I just updated the Node Red add-on, restarted HA and none of my zigbee devices are working

#

I have ZHA and conbee II

#

log shows nothing

austere patio
mighty river
#

gimme a minute

#

I added the logger to my configuration, restarted HA a couple of times and nothing is showing under configuration/logs

sour shadow
#

Check the log file in your config folder

#

Also, did you run a command line config check?

mighty river
#

do you mean home-assistant.log?

#

don't know what a command line config check is..

obsidian sandalBOT
#

Always run the configuration check command when you make changes. Don't trust the UI check - it misses some problems.

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mighty river
#

Sorry but I'm a bit lost right now..

#

I have hassio installed in a pi

sour shadow
#

Then you need ha core check because you don't have hassio 😉

obsidian sandalBOT
#

Hass.io was the old name for the appliance like install option, that uses Docker. It is now simply called Home Assistant OS (see #330990055533576204).

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mighty river
#

I don't have hassio?

sour shadow
#

Read the bot message 😉

mighty river
#

I'm still lost, look.. I'm a newbie.. as far as I understand I have to put some code in the Windows command line?

austere patio
#

As long as you copy/pasted the config into the file it should be fine

#

Once HA has started up and your Zigbee devices don't work, upload home-assistant.log somewhere and it should have everything needed to figure out why

mighty river
#

I put this "hass --script check_config -c /localipofPi/config/configuration.yaml" in the windows command line and it says "hass" is not known to be either an internal nor external command

#

"ha core check" same result

#

by uploading home-assistant.log you mean from a snapshot?

sour shadow
#

You'd SSH to your HA OS install and run it there

#

That requires one of the SSH add-ons

mighty river
#

ok, that I didn't know.. thanks

#

it apparently is doing something, many thanks

sour shadow
#

If the check just returns, all is good

crimson tide
#

@livid abyss no sonoff bridge

mighty river
#

ok it's returned something

obsidian sandalBOT
mighty river
#

yup, I was going to use that but I can't ctrl+c it

#

I can't copy it :S

sour shadow
#

If you're using the terminal in the sidebar I believe that's a known "feature"

mighty river
#

sorry for my stupidity, it's just faster

sour shadow
#

You didn't know 🤷

mighty river
#

I cannot drop an image into this chat?

obsidian sandalBOT
#

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Command '~images' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
#

No, because too many people will share code as a photograph or screen capture otherwise

mighty river
#

ok finally

#

I haven't been able to copy it

sour shadow
#

Ok, so your first problem is that you have group: twice

mighty river
#

yup, solved it

#

not sure what the rest of them mean

#

I guess I'm just going to delete and readd every device..

foggy gyro
#

So the lag I am experiencing from the zigbee remote to the light that is because of the pi zero?

austere patio
mighty river
#

I don't see anything meaningful for me.. I don't see where the problem might be

austere patio
#

If you upload it somewhere I can take a look

mighty river
#

I would really appreciate

austere patio
#

The home-assistant.log file in the same folder as your configuration.yaml file

#

It's big so you'll need to upload the actual file somewhere

mighty river
#

it wasn't big

austere patio
#

This doesn't have the startup log or any debug logging for ZHA

mighty river
#

oops wait

#

I tried reinstalling a snapshot as a measure and forgot to readd the logger

#

ok now it's a lot bigger

#

where should I upload the file?

#

pastebin?

austere patio
#

The adapter starts up fine and you're receiving attribute reports from some sensor so your network appears to be functional

mighty river
#

:S

austere patio
#

Though the deconz component was also loaded. Dunno if that's going to cause problems

mighty river
#

how can I disable deconz?

austere patio
#

It's probably in your HA config file

#

But that may be just to configure HA connecting to it. You can't be using both deconz and ZHA at the same time

mighty river
#

I often get deconz errors in the logs

#

couldn't start deconz or something like that

#

so there doesn't seem to be a problem is there?

austere patio
#

The log is for like one minute of HA runtime so there isn't going to be much in there

#

But I don't see any indication that your Zigbee network is non-functional

mighty river
#

what would yo do?

#

cause it ain't working

austere patio
#

Collect logs for like an hour

mighty river
#

I believe I'm gonna readd.. I don't have experience enough to understand the logs and I don't want to bother anyone else

#

I'll take me less than an hour to do that

austere patio
#

I mean if it's a problem with the radio library then it may be useful to know why your network is broken

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There's no reason for it to just stop working all of the sudden unless some critical Zigbee router is offline or other external factors

mighty river
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I just updated Node Red and restarted HA

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I need the house working you know.. there's more people living and they need lights 😄

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I appreciate your time

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I believe I'm gonna go the hard way

austere patio
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Whatever works 🤷‍♂️

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In that case I'd disable debug logging until you have the same problem again. Your log file may get pretty big.

mighty river
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thank you for your time

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I hope it doesn't happen anytime soon

amber gull
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Yet another step in my coordinator migration journey - HUSBZB-1 first to a Elelabs ELU13 to a Texas Instruments CC1352P2 finally to a Electrolama ZZH

solar moon
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Hey guys, does anyone know of a good zigbee roller shutter module?

sour shadow
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Did you look through the hardware lists in the pinned messages?

solar moon
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Something similar to shelly 2.5

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Sorry first time here actually, will do

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Yeah I have checked the hardware lists, but it hard to know if a certain device is reliable from there

cunning palm
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anybody run into this before? moved my zigbee channel to 25. all my sensors are showing backup/functional in deconz, but I can't get the aqara buttons to work. they pair just fine but there are no events on button pushes. WXKG11LM is the button

solar moon
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I'm using zigbee2mqtt

cunning palm
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nevermind, had to reload the deconz integration

tawdry raft
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Has anyone got the eurotronic spirit zigbee thermostat properly running? With me it loses the connection every 2 or 3 days

dire willow
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Got an interesting one:
I have a Zigbee bulb (its Hue) and a Zigbee remote (also Hue)
I have connected them both through the Hue app and directly through ZHA

I am trying to have the light turn on via an automation, nothing fancy - its a zigbee contact sensor.

Issue: Its a bulb inside of a bathroom exhaust fan (metal shielded) and not super close to the Hue Hub or zigbee HA stick.

The remote controls the bulb consistently, but sending a command via the automation: https://hastebin.com/rotuyeloti.yaml works 10% of the time.
Within HA, the entity/device shows that it is turning on but it is not.

Do you think it is due to range or did I make a weird issue somewhere else?
My other thought would be to automate the remote button press, but that is not something I am able to do via the automations.
Ideas? Weird... right?

golden vessel
dire willow
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gocontrol

golden vessel
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are you using an usb extension cord, on a USB 2.0 port?

dire willow
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yes indeedy

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i had lots of zwave issues, so i have gone through that a lot. 🙂

restive elbow
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Hi! I've got a seemingly dead hue bulb. When it gets power it turns on, then off right away. I tried hue-theif to no avail

long violet
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Raspberry Pi 4, HassOS 5.9, ZHA and ConBee II stopped communicating with Zigbee devices after upgrade to 2020.12.2 today. I've tried downgrading to 2020.12.1 (which was working), but no improvement. With debug logging enabled, I see lots of Zigbee related errors, but not sure where to start troubleshooting. Any suggestions?

austere patio
gentle flint
lilac wharf
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Well sure 😂

long violet
austere patio
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Everything seems to be failing with a NWK_ROUTE_DISCOVERY_FAILED error

long violet
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Yeah, what I notice is

[homeassistant.components.zha.core.device] [0x0000](ConBee II): Attempting to checkin with device - missed checkins: 1
[homeassistant.components.zha.core.device] [0x0000](ConBee II): does not have a mandatory basic cluster

... which makes me think there's some problem connecting to the dongle.

austere patio
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If you're getting other errors then communication with the stick appears to works just fine. The stick is what is sending that status code when it's asked to send a request.

long violet
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OK, good to know.

long violet
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Could you explain the difference between ZHA and deconz? Is one newer? Better?

lilac wharf
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Different

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ZHA is integrated into HA, deconz is separate

long violet
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How about reliability? I get the impression that deconz is from the same vendor as the Conbee stick.

lilac wharf
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It is

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No clue on reliability comparison

gentle flint
molten linden
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comparing ewelink based bulbs with some tuya based bulbs (which I think are the same as the lidl ones) .the EweLink ones have far better color and dimming performance (dim about as low as a hue) but one interesting thing I just found, is they don't report attributes when controlled by a bound remote. Ie I can turn it on via HA, then turn it off with a hue button that is bound to it, and HA never knows it was turned off

meager vortex
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When adding a Sengled Smart Switch to ZHA, it picks up the battery sensor and nothing more. If I press buttons on the switch, I get the following:

https://hastebin.com/pewatubipe.yaml

Any thoughts?

molten linden
gentle flint
molten linden
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overall the tuya bulb sucks, the colors are totally washed out and dims maybe 10-20% total.

lilac wharf
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@molten linden what Zigbee integration? If zigbee2mqtt you could see if enabling reporting works with those bulbs

molten linden
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zha

gentle flint
gentle flint
meager vortex
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If you are referring to listening for zha_event in dev tools, I tried that and I get nothing

long violet
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@gentle flint - Will-do. Thanks for the advice.

meager vortex
meager vortex
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This may be a good time to ensure I am going down the best possible path as I currently only have 1 zigbee light bulb so ditching ZHA and going another route isn't much of a concern. For the best overall experience with zigbee devices, should I stick with ZHA?

long violet
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I updated the firmware on the Conbee II, physically removed it, replaced it, and rebooted the host. I had also deleted the ZHA integration, so I added it back. The integration immediately discovered all 10 devices and 15 entities that I expected, including correct manufacturer and model (my old labels were gone, of course). However, all entities are listed as "unavailable" in the frontend and "offline" in the network visualization, and I get the same NWK_ROUTE_DISCOVERY_FAILED errors in the log. What can I do to collect useful debugging information for the devs?

surreal rune
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Hi, I've conbee II as coordinator and using ZHA and after several time of restart home assistant, this conbee II become available and all the paired devices is disconnected, this happen many time. How to get rid of this issue?

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sometime i need to reboot everything, and keep restarting to get it back online. Is there any way to fast fix this issue ?

robust gazelle
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has anyone managed to directly bind the IKEA Tradfri on/off switches to a light using ZHA?

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they have the perfect size and only cost 6 bucks

livid abyss
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@gentle flint Well, I would guess many more people will use the combination of the Sonoff bridge and Ikea remotes, so we'll find out eventually if that combination is a problem. I think there are also two versions of the bridge, and I have the newer one. No idea if that could make a difference.

raw gale
robust gazelle
raw gale
robust gazelle
keen sigil
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Hello, I've been having a lot of issues with Phoscon / deCONZ since moving my HA instance to KVM. I was wondering if anyone has had success using the ConbeeII with ZHA on KVM ?

jolly narwhal
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Usb passthrough should be good in KVM tbh, but I don't know either zha or conbee

keen sigil
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It worked well in KVM but every time I would reboot the instance USB device would sometimes magically disappear. Re mapping the device would cause some devices to have to re added.

dry fossil
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I've seen a ton of people with issues with deCONZ and USB passthrough. Miimix hated it 🤣

keen sigil
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I'm tempted to dedicate a pi to run the gateway. It was rock solid when I had my HA instance on my pi with the deCONZ add-on

elder python
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Using pi with deconz and never had any problems

dry fossil
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If you like having a decoupled system, consider Z2M. You can run it on practically anything. The only catch is that support for the Conbee is currently experimental.

jolly narwhal
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I dedicate a pi 🤢 to zigbee2mqtt

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No issues and flawless, not affected by anything else I do on my other servers

keen sigil
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Thanks, I guess that's what I'll try next... @jolly narwhal are you using Conbee II with zigbee2mqtt

jolly narwhal
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Nope

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Cc1352p2

keen sigil
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ok thanks!

elder tinsel
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@jolly narwhal you got a pi3b with the cc1352p2 ...is it a hat that can be added ....tired of diy was hoping a neat package type thing

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not really tired ...just working too many hours to have the time

dry fossil
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It's a USB stick, not a hat.

elder tinsel
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damn thats what i am using now a huszub1 or whatever ...with zha ....keeps dropping xiaomia devices

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but directly plugged into a i7 sff machine

dry fossil
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Plugged in directly?

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You'll want a USB extension

elder tinsel
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that helps?

dry fossil
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It'll avoid some WiFi/Bluetooth interference from your main, yes.

elder tinsel
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i will try ....just odd that it picks devices 6x as far with same los and another window sensor out of los 3 meters away from dropped door sensors

surreal rune
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me too having an issue conbee II with ZHA and now run under promox. I'll try to move it out to HA Blue, let see the problem can solve or not.., i think the problem is usb passthrought

unkempt moat
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(new to zigbee2mqtt and Mosquitto) Is it "normal" to have a lot of mqtt messages published under the broker topic $SYS ? . According to MQTT explorer, if I select the topic $SYS/broker, in 10 minutes it says "38 topics, 1089 messages". Is it expected? I have about 20 zigbee devices, using home assistant and node red. Is using zigbee2mqtt "groups" costing resources? (I created 5 or 6 groups). The topic that seems to fill the fastest is $SYS/broker/load

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In those 10 minutes the topics zigbee2mqtt only had 9 messages and homeassistant 102. So it seems that it is $SYS (mosquitto itself) that generates itself quite a lot of activity.

dry fossil
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Yes, it's normal. If something isn't causing issues, ignore it.

lilac wharf
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MQTT is very lightweight

near echo
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it may also be the devices geenrating lot of message - those dimmers generate lots of them

sour shadow
elder tinsel
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I saw that ...prolly gonna get (not sure its a hat thou TI pages says nothing)...will have to do reading ...serial is thru hat ...but says it come with usb mini cord ...(thats for flashing?)

sour shadow
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Raspberry pinout compatible HAT

elder tinsel
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on TI site? i have read briefly ..but i believe ...house is in choas at the moment ....I think my mother in law is losing it

sour shadow
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That's on the link I posted 😉

jolly narwhal
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That's a good price

elder tinsel
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oh looking at a diff one

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i was looking at the one atx posted the cp2 or whatever from TI

jolly narwhal
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It's gr8

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But unorthodox in size

elder tinsel
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$30 dollars is not bad ....but out of stock and only source i could find for that hat

jolly narwhal
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I had a ZigBee hat early on

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But sold it to someone on here at some point

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Because i hate being hardware locked

lilac wharf
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Wait. You had a...pi?

dry fossil
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Still has a Pi 😄

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He loves them really.

elder tinsel
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so @jolly narwhal it worked well? and where did you buy

jolly narwhal
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I don't even remember the name of it

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Have to look it up

fiery heart
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Hello, I would like to ask if I'm able to connect Philips hue dimmer directly with philips hue light, which is connected to home assistant via zigbee2mqtt. (and controll light with dimmer even if home assistant is down). Than you
edit: I tried connect light to home assistant and than pair dimmer to light by holding on button for 3 seconds (as proposed on philips hue website) but it probably did factory reset of light and it's not already connected to home assistant

jolly narwhal
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@elder tinsel the one I had was elelabs raspberry pi shield, it was good while I still used it atleast

gentle flint
drifting sleet
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Hello

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I have a problem with an IKEA Tradfri 5-button remote. It is connected/paired with a PiZiGate but HA is not receiving any events. Pairing with an IKEA Tradfri bulb works as expected.. if the bulb is paired to HA also I can see the messages from the bulb

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Googling revealed that it might be possible that the remote only sends events to a group and HA/Zigate is not listening to that but unfortunately I have not really experience with Zigbee, after a few days of searching I got some kind of idea.. but still.

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I also tried to add the ZiGate to a group but the cluster commands do not work through HA neither.. 😦

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Sorry to bother you here, but I need at least a direction how to get this solved, I am a programmer so I could help fixing that for other users as well.. 😉

long violet
# gentle flint You did disable and **UNINSTALLed** deCONZ add-on, didn't you? Make sure that is...

Yes, I removed the ZHA integration before trying the deCONZ add-on, and uninstalled it before switching back to ZHA, where all my devices showed-up, but still weren't communicating. After doing some reading, I tried removing the ZHA integration again, then manually deleted the /config/zigbee.db file, then added the ZHA integration. This time, all of my devices were gone, and I was able to start pairing them from scratch. So far, the handful that I've paired are working normally.

mighty river
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Hello everyone, im having some issues with my conbee stick and a new HaOS installation. I have an RPI with hassbian thats working just fine. Im migrating to a HaOS-vm on proxmox, with conbee stick on usb passthrough. Proxmox recognizes the usb, i can see the usb in HaOS (hardware tab), and the deconz plugin see's the conbee stick (in the logs). The gateway starts just fine, its recognized by HaOS. The vnc-part also works. The problem is that i cant see any lights, no remotes, no nothing. I have a remote and a lamp just 5cm from the stick. Ive tried simply everything i can think off, and im not really sure where the issue is. I booted up the RPI again, in the exact same spot as the proxmox-server, and it can talk to some lights (the onces i havnt resetted already).

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Any ideas?

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One thing im wondering is that i have a ubiquity AP right beside the conbee stick, maybe 30-60cm, but that wouldnt be a problem as its working on the raspberry.

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i have zero clues on where to continue the troubleshooting

obsidian sandalBOT
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earnest hinge
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try using a extension cable? might be due to other stuff in the computer(bluetooth/its powersupply.etc)

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or try putting it in one of the front usb ports

dry fossil
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but that wouldnt be a problem
The funny thing about EM radiation is that it doesn't matter which device generated it.

mighty river
dry fossil
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You have two transceivers in close proximity. There will be interference.

golden vessel
mighty river
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root@pve:~# lsusb -t
/: Bus 04.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/6p, 5000M
/: Bus 03.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=ehci-pci/2p, 480M
|__ Port 1: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Hub, Driver=hub/8p, 480M
/: Bus 02.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/14p, 480M
|__ Port 6: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Vendor Specific Class, Driver=ftdi_sio, 12M
/: Bus 01.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=ehci-pci/2p, 480M
|__ Port 1: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Hub, Driver=hub/6p, 480M

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and

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root@pve:~# lsusb -t
/: Bus 04.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/6p, 5000M
/: Bus 03.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=ehci-pci/2p, 480M
|__ Port 1: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Hub, Driver=hub/8p, 480M
/: Bus 02.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/14p, 480M
|__ Port 1: Dev 3, If 0, Class=Vendor Specific Class, Driver=ftdi_sio, 12M
/: Bus 01.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=ehci-pci/2p, 480M
|__ Port 1: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Hub, Driver=hub/6p, 480M

sour shadow
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USB 3 and Zigbee are known to have interference issues

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golden vessel
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so, it has a source of interference for 2.4Ghz signals

keen crest
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Hello zigbee channel. I have a Lightify bulb (zha, connected via HUSBZB-1 stick) that within the past week has begun turning on all by itself at random hours of the night. There is no username or automation in the logbook associated with it turning on. Is there any way to debug this with zha logs?

golden vessel
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get a non-usb 3.0 cable, plug it to a usb 2.0 port

keen sigil
mighty river
# 
18:28:27:035 channel is 11 but should be 20, start channel change
18:28:27:035 Skip automatic channel change, TODO warn user```
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Now i cant change back. Ill try reinstalling deconz again (for the 10th time), and running the stick in a pure usb1/2 port.

golden vessel
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On deconz, you need to set channel mask to allow 11

mighty river
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Oh my fucking god. Sorry for cursing but im two days in. Its in the usb 1/2 port. And its working. I have tried it before, but it can be that one of the usb2 ports are bad, or a combination of everything that i tried.

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Thanks alot you guys. You saved my day.

final pivot
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What do people think about thread?

austere patio
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Isn't it just IPv6 for sensors? I don't believe it has the same scope as Zigbee

verbal shale
austere patio
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Tuya 🤮

mighty river
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ok it worked once, for 1 light. I was adding one of the remotes, didnt work. Tried deleting the first added light, and i couldnt add it again. Must be interference right?

final pivot
unborn phoenix
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@final pivot , I've been thinking a LOT about Thread implementations. I think Thread will be pretty easy to integrate and it's potentially VERY well supported (in theory, anyway, it's too new to know if it's real or going to fizzle).

final pivot
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It seems good but will it be too expensive from day 1

unborn phoenix
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Volume is all it takes and it will be as ubiquitous as Zigbee - agreed, though, too expensive for a while.

austere patio
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Thread doesn't appear to have anything similar to the Zigbee ZCL layers, so there doesn't appear to be any goal to provide interoperability?

lilac wharf
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Says Zigbee 3.0 on that Tuya thing, doesn't that potentially bode well?

final pivot
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Be too much of a joke if manufactures locked down thread 😄

unborn phoenix
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@austere patio , yea I'm still trying to sort out interoperability. I think Zigbee ZCL may be imposed on Thread - they're not mutually exclusive as far as I can tell. I don't know though. Plan on digging into this pretty heavy the next few weeks.

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From summary:We need to clarify that Thread is like Wi-Fi in terms of specifying only up to the networking layer. You need to have an application layer on top, just like with HTTP or FTP for the internet.

Thread itself does not specify this application layer; other organisations are doing that. Thread has some liaisons with organizations defining application layers such as Zigbee, OCF, and KNX.

final pivot
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lamens terms? 😄

verbal shale
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🙂

unborn phoenix
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@final pivot ,I know - Thread handles secure networking, but doesn't specify the messages used. So things like MQTT or device pairing types and messaging still have to use some OTHER standard (like HTTP or FTP or SSH or other protocols that work over TCP/IP in a network). Thread is, as far as I can tell, advantageous over WIFI because it's an IPV6 supporting networking protocol that supports mesh (i.e. devices handing messages off to one another like buckets in a fire brigade), and has much lower power demands due to the way its built. Perfect for IoT. At any rate, I'm not sold, but Thread curious. I enjoyed the question so I jumped in to comment. 🙂

mint lantern
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is it worth to consider ZHA over zigbee2mqtt?

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the second one support much more devices? it is something that ZHA will improve to catch up? how quickly? is there any other difference between the 2 , to consider?

gentle flint
lilac wharf
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ZHA doesn't have an official device supported list, it just assumes any standards-compliant device will work@mint lantern

mint lantern
lilac wharf
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Something to consider is that zigbee2mqtt isn't dependent on home assistant. Updates to ZHA are dependent on updates to home assistant. Zigbee2mqtt is decoupled from home assistant and is updated separately. Also with zigbee2mqtt Zigbee devices have their correct state after a home assistant restart, but if using ZHA and a Zigbee device changed state between a home assistant restart the state won't be correct in home assistant

lilac wharf
golden vessel
mint lantern
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thanks for your answers but still trying to decide 😫

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I would like to go with ZHA but it looks like z2m is more "powerfull" somehow

lilac wharf
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The decoupling aspect is nice

golden vessel
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If it is supported on Z2M, it is probably supported in ZHA

drifting sleet
golden vessel
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Some people like to have zigbee running as separate service, some (like me) prefer to have it integrated tightly in HA

mint lantern
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but that tight integration gives you any feature in HA that with z2m you cant use?

golden vessel
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feature wise, nothing. But I can manage everything trough HA. And don't have to maintain 2 services

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and the zigbee control UI is just right there in HA

mint lantern
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my other dilemma is hassio in VM vs HA in docker.... I see that with the first one I cant use USB bluetooth so I will probably go with HA with docker

golden vessel
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No sure how Z2M does it is ATM, but removing retained messages from MQTT is a bit of a PITA sometimes.

lilac wharf
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There's not really much maintenance with zigbee2mqtt tbh. Retained messages can be handled with MQTT explorer

golden vessel
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yeah, I know. I've used it before jumping to ZHA. Still, two (three, if you consider mosquitto) services to manage and upgrade

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If you use HASSIO, that's not really an issue

lilac wharf
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Ehh, docker-compose makes that trivial

golden vessel
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I also use docker-compose 😄 but still 3 > 1 😄

mint lantern
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I have a server with VM and dockers, so I don't mind to have everything in one place or in different dockers

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I am running and Unraid server

golden vessel
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One thing I noticed when I moved from Z2M to ZHA, was speed. Devices respond quicker. But that was a long time ago...

mint lantern
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so Tediore you voted with zigbe2mqtt and abmantis for ZHA mindblown

lilac wharf
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Shouldn't be a difference

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If decoupling is important to you, I'd say zigbee2mqtt

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And the potentially incorrect states issue with ZHA

mint lantern
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I wish I could see the roadmap of both products or wich one is developing quicker, I can't see that with ZHA because it's integrated in HA

lilac wharf
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Zigbee2mqtt is very actively developed

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ZHA appears to be the same

golden vessel
mint lantern
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but the incorrect states can happen if I restart the z2m docker as well right?

lilac wharf
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Well right, but I wouldn't need to do that nearly as much as I would home assistant

mint lantern
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or z2m has a way to sync even if I shutdown everything?

lilac wharf
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Yeah, but you'd likely restart home assistant more often than zigbee2mqtt

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At the end of the day it's all a matter of preference

austere patio
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Z2M is also written in JavaScript/TypeScript, while HA/ZHA/zigpy are written in beautiful Python

golden vessel
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regarding the response time, MQTT adds some latency. Its probably not much (like 100/200ms), but that can make the different from instant to slightly instant when pressing a button to turn on a light

lilac wharf
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Of great concern to most users I'm sure lol (Python/JS comment)

austere patio
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Which IMO is the only thing anyone should care about

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I don't think MQTT would add 100ms

lilac wharf
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I doubt it's anywhere close to 100ms

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Maybe over the internet, certainly not locally

sour shadow
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I use Zigbee2MQTT with a button - can't say it adds any meaningful delay from my pressing the button whatever action happening

lilac wharf
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Same. I have buttons from a few different OEMs

sour shadow
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I've got Konke, Hue, and Aqara - no noticeable difference in response

austere patio
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ZHA also has support for SiLabs coordinators

sour shadow
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I've restarted Z2M many times, never had an issue with anything getting out of sync in terms of stats

golden vessel
sour shadow
golden vessel
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Its just like driving a slow car... you don't notice how slow it is until you drive a faster one 😄

sour shadow
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If you're able to see the difference of a millisecond or two, you've got lost on the way to another reality

golden vessel
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not a milli, of course 😄 but 200 is noticeable when pushing a button and getting results

mint lantern
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So, regarding the supported devices even if it's supported by z2m couldn't not be compatible with ZHA ?

lilac wharf
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It's nowhere close to 200ms...

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40 ms would be high latency

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MQTT is super lightweight

golden vessel
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well, it could be the stick I was using with Z2M at the time

sour shadow
golden vessel
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or the fact that it is JS.... 😆

lilac wharf
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CC2531 by any chance?

golden vessel
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yeah, what else 🤷‍♂️

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it was the beggining of zigbee for me eheh

lilac wharf
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Yeah, that's like the worst stick in existence

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Good to start with though

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It's like the Pi of Zigbee sticks

sour shadow
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It's the slowest of the slow, except somebody glued it down to stop it moving faster

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It's like complaining that your pedal bike is slower than a supersonic jet aircraft

lilac wharf
austere patio
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The CC2531 shouldn't affect timing that much when it's just receiving attribute updates

sour shadow
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They're well known to be "not fast"

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And my typing could benefit from less 🥃

mint lantern
sour shadow
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Buy it. It may work without any work

golden vessel
lilac wharf
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Claims to be Zigbee 3.0, I'd say it's worth a shot

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Then again, it is Tuya...

sour shadow
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If it behaves according to the standards it'll "just work" in ZHA

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ZHA assumes everything complies with the standards, where the others assume nothing does

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That means that most devices will work with ZHA without any effort

mint lantern
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ok, I think I will try "first" with ZHA

lilac wharf
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Lawful good vs. chaotic good?

sour shadow
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So... where does that put deCONZ? Neutral Evil?

lilac wharf
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Oh right, I forget that exists sometimes

mint lantern
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I don't trust deconz in the long run

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z2m is basically a "standard" already

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and ZHA has the potential of being promoted by Home Assistant

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so I have my bets in this 2 xD but I have to marry one (for now) xD

golden vessel
lilac wharf
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Except when one person gets more than 50%

mint lantern
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so with ZHA if I restart the machine how I get everything in sync again?

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switching on of everything? xD

lilac wharf
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Just know you have to sacrifice at least 50% of your Zigbee devices to switch between ZHA and Z2M or vice versa

sour shadow
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Mains devices should re-sync automatically as they check in 🤞

golden vessel
lilac wharf
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Wait for next update (most practical), manually press a button on the sensor if it exists, etc.

golden vessel
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most sensors only send anything when state changes (or periodically, like once an hour).

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so you can just trigger the sensor, press a button, or do nothing at all 😄

lilac wharf
radiant pawn
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how does zha establish its network map?

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and do the nodes ever change who/what theyre connected to?

lilac wharf
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Yeah, Zigbee will reroute as it sees fit

austere patio
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It asks routers on the network to perform a neighbor scan and then just draws what they report

radiant pawn
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when im connecting a new device, do i always use the controller to search for devices?

austere patio
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Click the "add device" button in the bottom right, it'll ask every router on your network to permit joins

radiant pawn
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for example, if i have my controller on the ground floor and I have a router (philips hue plug) on the upper floor, do i connect a button to the router or the controller when adding it

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im going to be using the button to control the router

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so do i connect to the router or to the controller

sour shadow
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Always best to just let the mesh sort it out

radiant pawn
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does it matter, will zigbee figure it out

sour shadow
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You don't know RF as well as reality does 😉

radiant pawn
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so i should just add devices via the controller each time?

austere patio
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What do you mean "via the controller"?

sour shadow
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Just let it join via any device

golden vessel
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except if we are talking about xiaomi sensors...

sour shadow
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Well... you say that, but mine have re-routed

radiant pawn
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i dont use xiaomi

sour shadow
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So... established facts may turn out to be wrong

golden vessel
sour shadow
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Both

golden vessel
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I've seen some Aqara ones jump to a different parent indeed

radiant pawn
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im asking because im noticing the mesh is being really dumb with the connection

sour shadow
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The mesh will work it out according to the logic of the devices, you don't want to force it

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Not unless you're an RF engineer

lilac wharf
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Enough verbal threats usually get xiaomi stuff to reroute

radiant pawn
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is there a way to "reset" it so it establishes a network from scratch?

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like maybe unplugging my conbee and replugging it

golden vessel
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restart your house

sour shadow
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"it"?

golden vessel
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I mean, shutdown power. 😄

lilac wharf
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Tinkerer has a story about that

sour shadow
lilac wharf
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Ha, there it is

radiant pawn
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"it" being my conbee2 device connected to my rpi4

golden vessel
sour shadow
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ISTR if you leave it disconnected for half an hour then reconnect things may decide to re-route, but maybe not. They'll do it anyway if they're going to...

radiant pawn
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another issue imm having is HomeAssistant is not reflecting the correct status of my devices sometimes

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ie. if i turn on a zigbee group with 4 devices, 2 of the switches remain in the "off" position even though the devices are turned on