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obsidian sandalBOT
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@foggy gyro There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are support. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah! and Slaesh's sticks being recommended. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

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dry fossil
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Pi? 🤢

sour shadow
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Pick your integration then pick your stick

dry fossil
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NUC or an old machine

foggy gyro
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The
Zigbee2MQTT

Do those stick have to be connected to a docker conatiner?

sour shadow
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They have to be connected to wherever you run Z2M

dry fossil
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If you're using Docker, yes. But it's easy... 😉

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It's just like mapping volumes.

lilac wharf
sour shadow
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They even document it in their docs 😉

foggy gyro
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Awesome! is there any standalone method? my target hardware has no usb ports

sour shadow
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What hardware is that?

foggy gyro
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old Lenovo Yoga book

sour shadow
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It has not a single USB port?

foggy gyro
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it has the charging port 🙃

sour shadow
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That's gonna be fun for Zigbee, and Z-Wave

austere patio
sour shadow
austere patio
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But I'm very surprised a laptop would have no USB ports whatsoever

sour shadow
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And again, they document what's supported 😉

austere patio
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It's "supported" in the sense that it works. Whether it works is very heavily dependent on the quality of your wireless network.

foggy gyro
austere patio
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Does it charge over USB-C that you can split up with a hub?

foggy gyro
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it uses Usb a micro

austere patio
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Yeah that is going to be a pain to use

violet dagger
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@fading moth i only use one E14 bulb, mostly for routing and Trust bulbs have such great warm white hue

foggy gyro
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anyway to use a nodemcu board as a Zigbee bridge?

dry fossil
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Why would you want to? That sounds horrible.

foggy gyro
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use what I have

sour shadow
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Each integration documents what's supported

violet dagger
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its possible

foggy gyro
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$$$

dry fossil
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Well... buy something else.

foggy gyro
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touché

sour shadow
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Rather than flapping about in the dark, RTFM 😉

dry fossil
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You could do Z2M on a Pi.

foggy gyro
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still have to buy a pi unless a zero will do

dry fossil
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A Zero might handle it.

sour shadow
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A Zero will run Z2M

violet dagger
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you still need a CC2530 and zigbee2mqtt on another device

sour shadow
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ZZH!

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None of that CC253x junk 😉

dry fossil
violet dagger
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can zzh work with nodemcu?

sour shadow
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If it has a USB port, I'm sure somebody could make it work

violet dagger
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technically it should be possible

sour shadow
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Technically it's possible to fly to Mars too 😄

violet dagger
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all it takes is time and money

dry fossil
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ncc is a cheapskate, I wouldn't count on him 😉

foggy gyro
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Atm I'm interested in spending very little money to test and taste

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once I like it I will drop the big bucks

sour shadow
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You can test with a CC2530 ($5) and a Pi Zero

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The experience will suck, but hey

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It's a bit like deciding whether to buy that sports motorbike by testing out a kids trike first

foggy gyro
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I can spend more than $5 if need be

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My zero does have an open USB port

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how is the CC2538

sour shadow
foggy gyro
sour shadow
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You want a ZZH or Slaesh

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Basically, CC26X2R1 or CC1352P_2 chips

foggy gyro
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ah

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putting this on a zero would it allow me to use it as Zigbee bridge?

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or does HA have to be there too?

sour shadow
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Z2M can run anywhere, as long as it can reach the same MQTT broker that HA can reach

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Doesn't even need to be on the same continent

lilac wharf
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given the right hardware, it could even be on a different planet

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gotta monitor my zigbee sensors on mars

foggy gyro
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so basically I just need to find a Zeebridge antenna for the zero?

sour shadow
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🤨

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I'd swear there's two versions of English going on here

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Zero + Z2M + Supported USB stick

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You know, the stuff we've just been talking about, on and on and on and on

final pivot
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Can you get zzh! Preflashed

lilac wharf
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no clue, but it's easy to do

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you don't need debugging hardware

final pivot
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Easy on the scale of how technical :D

sour shadow
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Easy easy

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The hard part is holding down one button while plugging it into the USB port

lilac wharf
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E Z P Z

sour shadow
final pivot
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Nice, no problems with my cc2531 but will revisit if I do... I'm sure there be something new by then anyway ☺️

foggy gyro
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ok so the CC2530 needs a debugger to flash it?

sour shadow
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Yes, but no

simple sentinel
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I ordered a Slaesh CC2652RB, flashed to Z2M, for anyone that's interested

foggy gyro
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I was just looking at that one

simple sentinel
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Those sticks are also recommended on the Z2M site, so can't be that bad

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Anecdotally it seems like zig-a-zig-ah gets more love in these channels, though

sour shadow
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Sleash had some major customer service failures in the first month or few

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The person behind the ZZH had a faulty batch, and handled that perfectly (shipped replacement without requiring the faulty one to be sent back)

simple sentinel
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I see, well fingers crossed for my order, then

sour shadow
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Functionally, the sticks are effectively the same

foggy gyro
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so recommend Tindie?

crimson tide
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i just picked up a conbee 2, are there any writeups anywhere on the pros and cons of zha/deconz/zigbee2mqtt/etc, cause i don't know which route to go down?

obsidian sandalBOT
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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are support. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah! and Slaesh's sticks being recommended. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: ncc1702
crimson tide
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exactly what i needed, cheers

foggy gyro
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The two recommend stick are both shipping from euprope?

sour shadow
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Yup

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One from mainland, one from UK

foggy gyro
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Def concerned of that getting here with my goverment

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gonna have to go with something else

dry fossil
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Where are you from?

simple sentinel
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judging by the name, I would say the United Federation of Planets

sour shadow
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Clearly wouldn't want to pick the in-country option then

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Admittedly, getting it shipped via Royal Mule increases the odds of a long delivery window

foggy gyro
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I'm in the US and I have lost multiple packages across the border over the last couple months

sour shadow
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I know @waxen jungle had ordered a surplus of ZZH sticks, for exactly this reason

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Don't know if he sold them all already though

dry fossil
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I think he's still got some available.

foggy gyro
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I'm seeing the conbee has limited support for Zigbee2MQTT?

dry fossil
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ConBee 🤢

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See if Dale has some zzh! left. He's in the States and ordered a load to save on shipping in case other people wanted them.

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I'm sure he'll reach out to you once he sees the ping and reads this conversation.

foggy gyro
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Dale I'd like to potentially buy you sticks

thorn cobalt
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I need some info regarding conbee II (deconz)
Currently running firmware version
2.07.01 / 12/8/2020
26660700
It states there isn't a update available

Does the integration always automatically upgrades the firmware to the latest?

simple sentinel
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Firmware update doesn't work in the addon

thorn cobalt
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so after flashing the latest firmware it will still work with deconz integration

sour shadow
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Well, it'll work with deCONZ

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The integration talks to deCONZ, not the stick

thorn cobalt
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alright

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thx for the info

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Last question 🙂 after the firmware upgrade do i need to re-add all the devices again, or does it keep the devices

foggy gyro
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I think I found a more economic solution using Firmata

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Yes I am cheap

solar valve
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I am thinking also to move deconz on another ha instance(just for zwave and deconz). So with remote home assistant only install deconz addon on new HA, and on old HA delete addon and integration? Or what is the best way?

sour shadow
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For deCONZ, you don't need Remote HA

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Just point the integration at the deCONZ install

solar valve
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But am i thinking, if i do remote ha for zwave, will be the easiest just install the addon there

sour shadow
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Sure, but you don't need Remote HA for deCONZ

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you don't need it if you're using OZW instead of zwave either

solar valve
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Thanks, dont use ozw

radiant pawn
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anyone here have a preference for ZHA vs deCONZ? what are the pros/cons and how do ppl choose between the two? I have ~40 devices I am looking to setup and wanted to check before doing all the pairings

sour shadow
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See the pinned message for the summary

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Mostly here you'll be recommended to use zha or Z2M

radiant pawn
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i want to eventually import all my HA devices into Google Assistant to be able to voice control them. Is there any lag/delay there?

sour shadow
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Won't make any difference

radiant pawn
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Z2M seemed pretty overkill when i checked it out briefly

sour shadow
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Not really

radiant pawn
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i dont have any sensors or manual tinkerings

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mostly hue/ikea/smarrthings products

austere patio
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Something has to talk to those devices through your stick

radiant pawn
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what do you mean?

austere patio
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ZHA/Z2M/deCONZ control the stick to talk to your devices. You interact with one of those three to control them

radiant pawn
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right, just trying to find the most stable/least laggy of the three

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device support isnt an issue, all 3 support everything i have/will ever get

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also dont care much for how they run (ie. add-on vs integration)

austere patio
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Then ZHA is probably going to work fine

radiant pawn
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stability + least delay are all im after

violet dagger
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everyone has their story and experiences with stability

austere patio
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They all should have similar latency, since they're all doing the same thing

violet dagger
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latency is created in processing data from the gateway software and relaying it to HA

radiant pawn
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idk i found anecdotal posts on reddit about deCONZ having more lag than ZHA

violet dagger
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in most normal cases should not be noticeable unless you're OCD

radiant pawn
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or at least ppl experiencing faster responses when switching from deconZ to zha

violet dagger
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or try to run HA on rpi2

radiant pawn
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heh that shouldnt be a problem, have a rpi4 overclocked and everythiing

sour shadow
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Technically there's likely an increase in latency since deCONZ isn't built into HA. In reality the difference isn't measurable by humans

radiant pawn
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and Zigbee2MQTT ?

sour shadow
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Same, but different?

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I can't measure the time between pushing a button on a remote, and HA logging that it received the message

austere patio
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There'd be like at most 1ms of latency for network stuff so it's not an issue

radiant pawn
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gotcha

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one other consideration is control of devices if HA ever goes down

sour shadow
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If you use Binding then it's not a problem

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Also, this is where smart switches win over bulbs 😉

radiant pawn
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ok i have no idea what that is yet. will have to look it up

sour shadow
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Binding allows one device to control another directly

radiant pawn
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so if i had a philips hue dimmer switch, i can tell it to control a smart zigbee plug outside of HA? as well as within HA?

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kind of a redundancy?

sour shadow
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Probably

austere patio
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Not all combinations support binding so having switches send events to HA and then HA turning things on or off will have greater compatibility

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But it's not really an issue if you don't buy devices that implement "Zigbee"

radiant pawn
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just noticed another thing, Zigbee2MQTT seems to support OTA updates for philips hue, while ZHA does not

austere patio
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ZHA will do it if you just put the OTA files in a folder

sour shadow
austere patio
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It won't automatically download them because Hue doesn't really make them "public" like IKEA and other manufacturers

foggy gyro
dry fossil
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You... don't want that.

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CC2531 is the most basic stick ever created.

foggy gyro
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lol!

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at $13 and two day shipping (plus I can use a gift card) I'll take it I also only live in a 2 bedroom apt so not too many devices

dry fossil
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It'll be slow. Even with only a few devices on it, you'll notice it underperforming.

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Wait until you've spoken with Dale. See if you're happy with the zzh!.

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It's barely going to cost more and it's way more capable.

golden vessel
foggy gyro
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duly noted ty!

dry fossil
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They're poor enough that there's a bot command for them

obsidian sandalBOT
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The CC2531 and CC2530 sticks are cheap for a reason. They're fine for testing, but do yourself a favour and buy something better.

Command '.cc253x' was invoked by: mono
foggy gyro
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lol

dry fossil
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I appreciate you've said you want to buy cheap for testing... but if you plan to use Zigbee for real, just start with a proper stick.

foggy gyro
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Fair

I'll take the $13 hit from a gift card to have a stick this week. Plus it does come with the debugger cables

dry fossil
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Which you'll never use again 😉

foggy gyro
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you are probs right lol

dry fossil
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I have one in a drawer that I used once 🤷‍♂️

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As do many other people here.

gentle flint
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Depends on the platform, but that's actually #template question. Depending on the trigger, you can check trigger object in condition. Eg for zha and zha_event i can check trigger.event.data.command == 1

tacit steppe
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Thanks! Zha/zha_event don't seem to be getting triggered and these switches are almost always unresponsive

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At this point I think I'm trying too hard to salvage discontinued stuff that came bundled with a SmartThings

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Now the question is do I stick with Hue for my accent stuff (lamps, LED strips) or go full zwave

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Thanks again for replying though!

fading moth
mellow geode
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ZZH! or slaesh stick

austere patio
foggy gyro
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Way ahead of you, got like a few zeros and couple dozen arduinos!

austere patio
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If you only have a few bulbs and a bunch of sensors it'll work fine

fading moth
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I got CC2531 Zigbee2MQTT Firmware with Antenna for Home Assistant, Open HAB etc. for 15 GBP

austere patio
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It just sucks at transmitting

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And reception

fading moth
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Are ZZH! or slaesh stick going to work out of the box if i replace my CC2531?

foggy gyro
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I don't own any bulbs and really just want it so I can setup a bunch of buttons and remotes

austere patio
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It has a hard limit of I think 20 children

mellow geode
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At least the ZZH stick only comes with a blinking LED firmware.

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But at least you can program them via USB

simple sentinel
gentle flint
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Even if a device trigger, there's still an underlying zha_event that triggered the device trigger. In my testing, trigger.event.data did contain the event data, even if the actual automation trigger was a device trigger

lone flicker
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Will the sonoff s31 work as a repeater for an aqara sensor?

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or some other cheap-ish plug

dry fossil
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Most mains-powered devices work as routers.

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Aqara, however, don't play nicely with everything.

lone flicker
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i know that so I'm wondering what works with aqara

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do you have any recommendations @dry fossil ?

dry fossil
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I'll start with this recommendation:

obsidian sandalBOT
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Generally, don't tag people to ask for help - it comes across as bad manners, you’re demanding somebody answers you. It’s different if you’re thanking somebody, obviously. If you do tag somebody keep it polite and respectful. Remember that everybody is a volunteer, and nobody has to help you, and people may block you.

Similarly, please don’t DM (direct message) people asking for help. It also comes across as demanding, and means that others can’t learn from what you do.

Finally, please keep tagging people in replies to a minimum. That too can become annoying very quickly and should be used only when it's necessary (such as if it's been a long time, or there's multiple conversations going on).

Command '.tagging' was invoked by: mono
violet dew
lone flicker
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ok mono

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thing is, hue is pricey

royal star
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ewelinks

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can repeat aqara devices all day long

lone flicker
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so like sonoff s31 zigbee, etc

royal star
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anyone have brand reccomendations for 2032 batteries?

lone flicker
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i feel that batteries are a commodity and brand doesnt really matter unless its a specialty battery and 2032 is a commodity battery

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so amazonbasics

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duracell

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etc

royal star
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fair enough

tough cypress
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Hi guys quick question, i can't buy a aqara hub for my home, i search something to do the same and i find a video talking about a Raspbee 2 shield for raspberry, and it's work with zigbee so it's very useful but i would be working with the last update ? And it's easy to setup in place ?

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That works with DeCONZ

jovial plume
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Does anyone have a setup running HA on VM via macOS, and Conbee II or other zigbee adapter for their zigbee network??

lone flicker
jovial plume
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Looking to migrate from Pi to old Mac mini and trying to get ahead of any potential headaches or hardware hangups

lone flicker
# jovial plume Looking to migrate from Pi to old Mac mini and trying to get ahead of any potent...

If virtualbox works the same then I don't see any issues. I don't use macOS though. My opinion is that it's going to be harder to find support about running stuff under macOS as less people use it. I would use something like an odroid n2+ or a Home Assistant Blue to get the best support. Or you could look towards an old pc and run the VM on that or install something like proxmox on that pc. That's going to get much better support from the community as it is much more widespread.

austere patio
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You can also run HA on macOS directly, though it's not as smooth of an experience in terms of integration support

royal star
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I run HassOS in virtualbox on w10 on a nuc

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works great

jovial plume
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I've been trying to justify getting a w10 machine, but at the end of the day I still have this mac mini that will collect dust

royal star
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yeah i got a killer deal on it

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no way i would have it any other way

jovial plume
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I hate to brave into the HA world on a minority OS...but I'm too cheap :<

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Pi to the mac should be a performance upgrade still

royal star
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just run hassos in a vbox

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done

pine goblet
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Had my aqara motion sensor outside under the overhang for one day and it’s already not working right 😂

royal star
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thankfully none of the aqara horror stories have happened to me

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amazon has a great deal, 2 pack of ewelink plugs for 23

pine goblet
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Brought it inside within 10 minutes it started working properly

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They’re not meant to be used outside so I can’t complain

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I think the cold screwed with it

royal star
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wyze had a hell of a time

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get their outdoor cam working

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i imagine its a common issue

pine goblet
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I’ve been happy with all my aqara devices besides the motion sensor having a hard 2 minute cool down

lilac wharf
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There's the 5 second hardware hack

pine goblet
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I’m going to attempt it on one soon

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As soon as I figure out how to get to the board 😃

royal star
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thankfully the viibration sensors do not have the same cooldown

pine goblet
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Guess I’m spending $50 for an outdoor hue motion sensor. Maybe that’ll have better luck out in the cold

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I think the weather killed this sensor. It clears, but doesn’t detect motion again and then randomly starts to.

gritty parcel
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Does ZHA support light effects like colorloop?

mellow geode
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Yes

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It's basically the only effect there is, I think

paper steeple
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hi guys, i have another noob question:
when i use HA or automations to turn a zigbee bulb on or off, it is instantly.
so why is it that when i power off those bulbs with the wall switch (not smart, just plain old analog electric switch) it takes ZHA to update their status to "unavailable" over 1h. ?
there must be something wrong. when i had tuya bulbs that only took a few minutes.
is there a way to fix this?

sour shadow
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Don't turn them off 😉

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When you turn off the power, you're effectively shooting the bulb in the head. It has no opportunity to report that it was turned off, it's just gone.

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The timeout on Zigbee is, ISTR, an hour. So one hour later zha goes oh well, it's gone

paper steeple
# sour shadow Don't turn them off 😉

i know it's better to keep them on. i don't turn them off by choice. this is a old appartment building with shit electrics (no neutral, no ground) and bad standards even by 1980 (building age)

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is there any other way? can istr be changed?

sour shadow
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ISTR - I Seem To Recall 😉

paper steeple
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is there any automation that i could do to tell HA that they are unavailable?

sour shadow
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And no, you can't go re-write the protocol

acoustic swallow
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if it's mqtt, you can maybe play with expire_after

simple sentinel
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Your home ceases to be "smart " when the power goes out.
It's a fact of life :(

paper steeple
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@sour shadow
so, i just tested with one of my tasmota plugs that communicate with HA over MQTT
i yanked it out of the outlet and in matter of seconds, MQTT reported LWT = OFFLINE
so i wonder...
if instead of ZHA i would use Z2M and my zigbee stuff reported over MQTT... would that improve?

sour shadow
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You're comparing apples with chickens

paper steeple
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i wanna know where the limitation is... in the zigbee device itself or the way it communicates with HA

sour shadow
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Zigbee, and your setup

dry fossil
paper steeple
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zigbee and "my setup"? what part of my setup? if it's my setup i could change it to fix this?

dry fossil
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Zigbee isn't going to trigger a LWT message as quickly as WiFi 😉

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LWT gets triggered when the broker detects that the connection between it and a client has terminated.

paper steeple
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but it might trigger a LWT message faster with Z2M than through ZHA maybe?

sour shadow
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No

dry fossil
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Zigbee doesn't work the same way... devices send when they send.

paper steeple
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ok 😦

dry fossil
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They're not always connected like with WiFi.

sour shadow
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You've put smart bulbs on physical switches, that is your ultimate problem

dry fossil
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Smart switches ftw.

sour shadow
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Like with Z-Wave, Zigbee doesn't immediately mark devices as unavailable the second they don't respond. The mesh is assumed to be unreliable, and devices may drop out for a little.

paper steeple
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@sour shadow i am just a newb to all this. it was kinda working with cloud smart bulbs... with zigbee it doesnt 🤷

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monos explanation makes sense

sour shadow
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They're different protocols, they behave differently

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The Tasmota software is constantly chatting, and it was written so that any failure in comms results in unavailable

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Zigbee is different 🤷

paper steeple
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however, i don't understand why zigbee devices that are permanent on power and not battery, don't report more often. the coordinator is powered. the bulbs and plugs are too. why cant those be queries more often? but i guess i'd have to take that question up to the inventor of the protocol

sour shadow
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Largely because unlike WiFi you don't have a mass of bandwidth 😉

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If they were constantly chatting you could kill the mesh

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Also, they do check in far more often than hourly, but the timeout is long

paper steeple
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and i guess the timeout cant be reconfigured either?

sour shadow
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Sure - go and re-write the Zigbee standard, and re-write the code for all your devices, including the firmware on the stick 😉

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(aka, no)

dry fossil
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Moral of the story - leave the damned things powered at all times.

simple sentinel
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@paper steeple If the solution isn't to use duct tape, ie you have some circumstances where you do have to use the physical switches, you could still use input_boolean's or whatnot to build some redundancy into your automations, if that is the problem you are trying to solve, but that's a discussion for a different channel

paper steeple
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@simple sentinel the problem is that when i try to monitor/watch my lightbulbs in home assistant i don't know if some one forgot to turn the lights off or if it's just the damn 1h zigbee timeout.
and i say it again: i CAN NOT just rewire/fix the electrics of my entire house, that is a 2500€ proyect

simple sentinel
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duct tape, taping the switches in the closed position, is at best a 10 euro project, if you really splurge on some fine tape

paper steeple
#

i guess that i should use tasmota bulbs in those rooms

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@simple sentinel cmon man, lets say i duct tape the wiring to be always on. then what? i GLUE a freaking smart switch OVER the old one? you don't even know how my switches look and what type they are, why would you suggest such a thing?

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please don't be that condescending, it's offensive

simple sentinel
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I am not condescending. Why do it on the wires?

dry fossil
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There are consumer products that effectively sit in front of 'dumb' switches.

simple sentinel
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I can provide pics of my own setup

dry fossil
#

We understand that you're unhappy with the problem you're trying to solve but don't make this personal and lash out at other people.

violet dagger
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why do you even use smart bulbs and plan on keeping the old switches to conveniently make them not smart?

paper steeple
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i looked at those products @dry fossil and there are none that fit on top of the lightswitches i have.
the closest thing i found was on aliexpress, in russia, 50€ just in shipping and would probably need 3 month to get here

dry fossil
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So replace the switches.

violet dagger
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there are things such as blanking plates

paper steeple
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here we go again i CANT replace the switches at this moment

dry fossil
#

Enough of the attitude.

paper steeple
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then stop being condescending and smartassy all the time

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and ill fix my attitude

violet dagger
#

then stop conjuring up solutions for a problem with a completely different source

dry fossil
simple sentinel
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Now if that doesn't work for you, then fair enough

violet dagger
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looks legit 😄

paper steeple
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@simple sentinel that ducttape would last 2minutes in a house with kids 😆

simple sentinel
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Your mileage may vary, of course 😄

paper steeple
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and my switches are not that ... whats the word... plain... mine have that stick popping out of it.

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which is why i cant find anything that fits on top of them properly

simple sentinel
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Ah now I know hat kind of switches you have

paper steeple
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and they are 1980 spanish "standard" (if you can even call that a standard) and are much smaller than switches today. if i wanted to replace them, i would have to take out the box and all and make the hole bigger. and these aint drywalls like in the US, i can't just cut out a piece. it's pure brick in some rooms

final pivot
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@paper steeple get a hue dimmer and a wallplate that goes over the original switch

paper steeple
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we talked about that @final pivot i can't find antything that goes "over" what i have.

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not a conversation proper for this channel anymore anyways xD

#

is there a hardware channel around here?

simple sentinel
paper steeple
tawdry raft
#

Hi guys, I don't want to start a disjussion about Z2M, Deconz and ZHA, but I would be interested to know what solution you have in use

violet dagger
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why?

sour shadow
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The answer is - every one of them is in use by somebody 😉

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Some people did their research and chose the one they felt was right. Some people picked randomly, and others blindly followed others...

dry fossil
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There's no discussion anyway. Z2M is the best. 😉

sour shadow
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Well, yes, but we must convert everybody in a way that makes them feel like they had a choice. They can't realise they were forced... 🤫

tawdry raft
# violet dagger why?

I have tried all three solutions and found a suitable one for me, but I am also interested in what you zigbee professionals have in use.

obsidian sandalBOT
#

There is no universal best anything. There's always trade-offs, you need to explain:

  • Your priorities/desired features
  • Where in the world you are
  • Your budget
  • Any protocols that you'd prefer (eg Zigbee) or want to avoid (eg Zigbee)
Command '~best' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
#

Everybody makes different choices, and they're all right

#

Some people swear by deCONZ, some swear at it. Same for ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT.

paper steeple
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heya. new question :)
i am using ZHA
is it possible to link a zigbee bulb with a zigbee switch so they work together even if my home assistant goes offline?
is that what the "bind device" option does at the bottom of ZHA cluster page?

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i don't currently have a zigbee switch yet, so i can't test

sour shadow
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Yes, where the devices support it, Binding allows one device to control another

paper steeple
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oh, so perhaps it doesn't work, depending on model of bulb?

sour shadow
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And "switch"

paper steeple
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ouch. well, the bulbs i already have. i bought a lot of them during black friday.
and the switch i am kinda limited on options for what i am going to do...
so i guess it's just "buy the switch and pray"

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i mean. my HA would only go down if there's a bigger problem at home, in which case the bulb is probably the least of my problems.
would still be nice if it could be binded 😄 LIDL bulb and AQARA onwall switch. we'll see i guess

mighty river
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Hello, I have door sensors in my garage and my signal isn't strong but enough for my uses (and I can't have more routers between my garage and my home).
My sensors states don't toggle each time so I would like to create an automation to read the states of those sensors each 30 minutes. In the automations sections they said it's impossible.
My question is : Does a sensor send its state (without being toggled) at the same time it sends his battery level? And for which time interval?

dry fossil
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Sensors send values when they feel like it 🤷‍♂️

paper steeple
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hmmm...
battery levels are reported in very long periods on zigbee devices. i think they only report like every 12h or maybe even 24h OR if the battery level actually changes

dry fossil
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They're all different.

violet dagger
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why is everyone concerned with having their battery levels known more often than manufacturer spec?

paper steeple
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no one is concerned. he asked if he can trigger something when battery level is reported. i just told him that, because it might not be a good idea due long times between battery report

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@mighty river
i don't know directly in Home Assistant, but in Node Red I can read the state of any device or entity whenever i want. on a timer, on a manual click, when some other entity has triggered something. whatever.

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i think home assistant automations have timers too, but not sure how

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i switched to Node Red for automations some time ago, never looked back 😄

golden vessel
sour shadow
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The problem is, you can't force a battery powered sensor to send new data, which is what the question is about

fleet wedge
#

Has anyone been able to get the Lidl hub into home assistant without using the tuya app

paper steeple
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i already had a sonoff zbbridge when all the LIDL stuff came out this year.
i have a lot of LIDL devices and they work more or less ok, but can't help you with the hub itself, sorry

mighty river
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@paper steeple does your node red automation read the actual zigbee2mqtt state of your device or it asks directly the device to send its state?

sour shadow
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You can't ask the device to send the state

paper steeple
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well, in my case i don't use Z2M but i am gonna assume NodeRed would do the same. I use ZHA
what I am doing specifically lately, is that i query the RBG value of a light bulb to see if it's on a color or on white and trigger something depending on that.
it asks the state. it doesn't force the device to send a new state. so if it's in some sort of cache, i don't really know.
like Tinkerer mentioned above: you can NOT force a zigbee device to report (or is that just for battery state???). they'll do it whenever they want
ah, he just clarified that

sour shadow
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Battery powered devices send updates when they want to, as somebody else mentioned already 😉

acoustic swallow
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for device that are not sleeping, I think you can ask the state in z2m, or I'm wrong?
for device that are sleeping, that obviously won't work

paper steeple
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@mighty river you mentioned you can't have more routers in your garage? don't you have some power outlet around there where you could plug in a zigbee smartplug? they generally have a very good signal and are powered 24/7 and should improve the signal connection to your door sensor there

sour shadow
drowsy meteor
#

Hi, anyone else having an issue with updating the Conbee II? (Version 26660700 to be specific) When Trying to update it kills my entire home assistant instance

subtle portal
#

Many thanks @molten linden - no quirk found so have opened a Device Support Request issue as advised.

sour shadow
drowsy meteor
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not yet. Is the general recommendation to only update the plugin?

sour shadow
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I don't run either, so I couldn't tell you 🤷

drowsy meteor
#

I'll try to ask on the deCONZ discord, maybe they'll know

obsidian sandalBOT
#

deCONZ by dresden elektronik is a software that communicates with ConBee/RaspBee Zigbee gateways and exposes Zigbee devices that are connected to the gateway. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

Command '~deconz' was invoked by: Tinkerer
mighty river
sour shadow
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Did you add an external antenna?

mighty river
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Yes

sour shadow
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You can also run an antenna outside, while leaving the stick inside 😉

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So you could put one router in the house, with the antenna outside the house, to boost the range

paper steeple
#

@mighty river i gonna ask, but you probably did this already:
GGGGG-----HHHHHH
that's your garage and home.
do you have a zigbee smartplug on the most right G and the most left H? the closest possible?
(i am gonna assume you do have electricity in your garage?)

mighty river
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That can be great. Have you got some links how to do that ?

sour shadow
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Which that were you referring to?

paper steeple
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the antenna thing i guess

mighty river
paper steeple
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how about my question? do you have routing devices, like smartplugs, the closest possible? i am assuming = yes

sour shadow
mighty river
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And yes there is a routeur on each side the closest as possible

paper steeple
#

yeah, antenna is the only way to go then... or run a ethernet cable from house to garage and work something out with that

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@mighty river does your home wifi signal reach the garage with a more or less decent signal? maybe you could use a TUYA - tasmota door sensor instead of a zigbee one?

mighty river
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I have no wifi signal in my garage. I thought about that too

paper steeple
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well, there's always PLC. powerplugs that transmit network over powerlines and also act as wifi access points

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i wouldnt use them for gaming, as they're not that powerful usually, but they might work for your scenario

subtle portal
#

So after the excellent advice again last night I finally managed to get two HA instances running and connected with remote_home_assistant to allow me to have 2 Sonoff ZBBridges both with ZHA. It was quite a lot of effort and troubleshooting and now whilst it seems to be working fine (at least for a door sensor) I can't help feeling now it might be an overkill way to achieve it and maybe it would have been easier to try the alternative of copying ZHA over to custom_components, making the modifications suggested by @gentle flint and trying it that way. Does anybody actually use the dual ZHA in one instance option without issue?

mighty river
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But the garage door opener has no problem opening my garage. There are just delays sometimes but max delay is 10 seconds. It's just the contact door sensor which don't always see the state toggling

paper steeple
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my zbbridge is tasmotized to be used with ZHA.
question: it can be changed to Z2M right? if so, could i have one ZHA and one Z2M zbbridge managed through the same HA install or is that still a nono?

sour shadow
paper steeple
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i could swear digiblurdiy told me once that the zbbridge could use mqtt instead zigpy o_O

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ah so maybe what he ment is that i would have to create everything manually

violet dagger
#

you probably shouldn't

subtle portal
#

I did try to use Z2T on the second ZBBridge, which worked OK but there is not yet support for auto-discovery which I rather like in ZHA. So I had a choice of manually configuring my MQTT devices or use a second ZHA.

violet dagger
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Z2M had some movement on working with ZbBridge but so far nothing official

paper steeple
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yeah it was that you have to create everything manually because no auto discovery

mighty river
#

I run a zzh as a z2M coordinator. It's a lot better than CC2531 (better range value and less delays)

paper steeple
#

so, theoretically, it would be possible to have several zbbridges in one HA, if they go through MQTT and you create all sensors n stuff in YAML, right?

violet dagger
#

you can already do that with Z2M

paper steeple
#

ok

#

are there plans on making multiple zbbridges work in ZHA? not that i would need it anytime soon, just curious

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coz the zbbridge has a limit of 32 devices i think

sour shadow
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Directly connected

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Or many hundreds to thousands in the mesh

paper steeple
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ah, so if i have 20 sensors, but they connect to routing plugs instead the zbbridge, it will be fine

#

would the mesh sort it out automatically if the zbbridge refuses to connect to device number 33?

sour shadow
#

That's how Zigbee works 😉

paper steeple
#

but anyways, out of pure curiosity, are there plans on making multiple zbbridges work in ZHA?

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could still be usefull to have a second one in large homes. like, have a wired wifi repeater at the other end of the house with a zbbridge there
or even more crazy: VPN different homes together, each with their zbbridge and controlled from one only HA instance 😄

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nvm my crazy ramblings. i have scatter-brain right now

violet dagger
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or make another HA instance and connect them

paper steeple
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well, sure but then i'd need another rasPI or whatever in each home
i didnt know you can connect different HA instances together

sour shadow
#

I'd stick Z2M in the remote locations

violet dagger
#

better that then waiting for a theoretical support for ZHA

sour shadow
#

A lot easier to run on cheaper hardware too

paper steeple
#

@violet dagger oh sure. but as i said: pure curiosity and my brain "going places"... it's not a IRL scenario, so i just wanted to know if there were any plans on it

violet dagger
#

why plan for a non IRL scenario?

subtle portal
#

But overkill or not, it is working well thanks for all the help yesterday. @paper steeple it's using the remote_home_assistant HACS integration.

violet dagger
#

and why are you running a second HA instance? for ZHA?

subtle portal
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Yes for ZHA

violet dagger
#

then its not overkill...

paper steeple
#

@subtle portal
you're using VMs... i am gonna take a guess here, but i think that if you used docker, it would eat a lot less resources on your host machine.

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my HA install + MQTT broker + nodered alltogether are using a total of 0.45% of CPU (dual core 2ghz) and 1Gb of ram (and i could limit HAs ram usage if i wanted)

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just noticed... HA is the container that uses most ram of all my containers 😄

dry fossil
#

2 VM's? Just run Z2M and have it running in multiple places... on something as cheap as a Pi Zero.

violet dagger
#

but... ZHA... stuff....

dry fossil
#

With the IKEA Fyrtur and Kadrilj blinds, is there a way to set a stop on the positions so it can't unroll too far?

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Ah, yes:

The roller blind maximum extension can be set by moving the blind to the desired position and then double pressing the up or down button.
Anyone know if the 'up or down' buttons described are on the blind itself or do I need an IKEA remote too?

dry fossil
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The remote comes in the pack 👌 I love that most places have PDF's online with instructions now.

paper steeple
acoustic swallow
sour shadow
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At a high level, if it's not battery powered and not a light bulb, it's a router

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With lightbulbs it varies, some are, some aren't

acoustic swallow
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I would except that all plugs are router but on the z2m site, it's sometimes written, sometimes not

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so now I have a doubt 🙂

dry fossil
#

If they write that it's a router, it's known that it's a router. If it's not written, it's likely that it's a router (assuming it meets the criteria Tinkerer already gave).

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Once you have 300+ devices in your home, you'll have a few routers and won't have to worry 😄

sour shadow
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Yeah, the odds of it not being a router are low, really low

acoustic swallow
#

thanks

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I'm far from 300, more like ~15, and on 2 differents networks

lilac wharf
#

AFAIK the only powered device that isn't a router is Sengled bulbs

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i do not know of a single other powered device that isn't a router (but i'm sure one exists, somewhere...)

violet dagger
#

xiaomi no neutral switches and relays

sly tree
#

Hi! I have a problem with some IKEA E1743 on/off switches since going from DeConz to ZHA today...I get no zha_event logs when pressing the buttons and they don't work, I just get the battery device when pairing...Philips Hue dimmer works fine and provides zha_event logs...any ideas? Thanks in advance!

dry fossil
#

Come to Z2M, we have cookies (and working Zigbee)

winged nacelle
#

Is it possible to specify the names for ZHA devices in YAML? I'm coming from zigbee2mqtt, and really don't want to have to rename everything once joined. Also, if I lose my database, I'd prefer to have a hard copy version of the device names on a file I can check into git, like zigbee2mqtt

simple sentinel
winged nacelle
#

also, does anyone else have issues with Z2M and IKEA GU10 bulbs? Not sure if I need to try a different channel, or if its because the lights have a metal surround, but they rarely work when turning on and off, or they work with a delay of a couple of seconds etc

royal star
#

Rare to see a z2m > zha

radiant pawn
royal star
#

if you're well established with z2m why would you switch to zha

winged nacelle
#

I think it's probably because my server is a bit overloaded, but things just don't seem reliable. Mqtt randomly stopping, some devices unpairing themselves, tradfri GU10s not responding etc

#

But I should probably try a different network channel first

dry fossil
#

MQTT randomly stopping? That'll do it.

#

Sounds like you need to fix your infrastructure before jumping to the conclusion that it's the bulb.

stone sequoia
#

Hello, i have a question. I bought a sonoff cc2531 to use with zha. When i plug it in and look at system hardware the device shows up on a serial port. But when i try to add it in integrations it doesn’t auto recognize it. When i try to add it manually, i get a message that my input is malformed. Anyone that can help me solve this?

tropic depot
lilac wharf
#

Makes sense

stone sequoia
simple sentinel
lilac wharf
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I'm guessing they spend most of their time sleeping since they don't have dedicated power Since they need a load to work properly I'm guessing they work as end devices only in case something happens to the load

simple sentinel
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Don't know if I have the knowledge to fully argue the point but the L(oad?) wire being live, there is dedicated power...

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Argh, this is probably going to have to be one of those things I have to just begrudgingly accept

winged nacelle
dry fossil
#

If they're still flaky once you sort the rest out, make sure you have a repeater near them.

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I have my Zigbee mesh passing through kitchen appliances and concrete walls with no ill effects.

#

A little thermal shielding on GU10's shouldn't matter.

lilac wharf
#

@simple sentinel see my updated message above

winged nacelle
simple sentinel
winged nacelle
drifting thistle
#

Considering deconz -> Z2M is that generally reccomended?

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(mainly because deconz integration keeps on disconnecting for no known reason)

lilac wharf
#

Z2M is nice, but it's up to you

elder python
#

@winged nacelle I have ikeas first trådfri gu10 bulbs which are not available anymore and have had no problems with them atleast with dezonz

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Bought some lidl colour ones also but havent tested them yet

lilac wharf
gentle flint
lilac wharf
#

Interesting, good to know

#

I figured there were others heh

winged nacelle
# elder python <@331871042660335617> I have ikeas first trådfri gu10 bulbs which are not avail...

appear to be getting issues again, just updated the Conbee II firmware to latest, changed the channel to 15, deleted the database and state file, restarted Z2M. going through the house re-pairing the bulbs, got the LQI to 202, but then a few minutes later it won't respond, get the error:

zigbee2mqtt    | Zigbee2MQTT:error 2020-12-29 19:42:32: Publish 'set' 'state' to 'Bedroom Light 1' failed: 'Error: Command 0x000b57fffe9d3860/1 genOnOff.on({}, {"timeout":10000,"disableResponse":false,"disableRecovery":false,"disableDefaultResponse":false,"direction":0,"srcEndpoint":null,"reservedBits":0,"manufacturerCode":null,"transactionSequenceNumber":null}) failed (no response received)'
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LQI seems to jump between 45 and 203

royal star
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so many vague errors associated w/ dresden devices and seemingly no way to fix it

dry fossil
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Conbee and Z2M? Have you tried using a stick that's not experimental?

#

And from that error message, it looks like the message isn't being routed. What routers are you using?

drifting thistle
#

in looking to go to Z2M, can't see in the docs how you end up adding devices? Also if i move from deconz -> Z2M will i need to re-pair devices?

sour shadow
dry fossil
#

You just pair them and they appear like magic.

sour shadow
drifting thistle
#

Thanks!

#

Z2M seems so popular, why isn't their addon mainlined?

#

it's not even listed as a 3rd party one

sour shadow
#

🤷

drifting thistle
#

thanks for the help. workin on the transition now

sour shadow
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@royal star Oddly enough, I am allowed not to know everything 😉

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Maybe the author has never submitted it. Maybe it was submitted and rejected. Maybe.... something else 🤷

royal star
#

i don't mind if its not mainlined

#

as long as z2m continues to be the best

#

there, i said it

sour shadow
frank stirrup
#

Hi guys, I've just bought a friends unused Conbee (v1) stick, and just starting to add some devices to ZHA. I have Ikea tradfri lamps which seem to work fine, but I'm have trouble with the dimmers/buttons. ZHA finds them, but I get nothing with zha_events. I just saw someone earlier in this thread with the same problem,. but I couldn't find the solution. He was recommended to test z2m but from what I can see on their homepage with supported devices, the Conbee v1 is not supported, and Conbee v2 is experimental. So does someone has some information on what I should do to get the zha_events from the dimmer with ZHA?

radiant crescent
#

Hi all, I want to get a zigbee siren for an alarm when sensors are triggered, any recommendations?

sour shadow
#

Did you look at the pinned messages for the lists of known supported hardware?

radiant crescent
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I dont see anything for supported hardware

sour shadow
#

For device options, see ...

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Third last pinned message 😉

royal star
#

awful brand name

lilac wharf
#

😂

unkempt moat
#

Successful setup completed of freshly received Slaesh usb zigbee adapter + stand alone Mosquitto (docker) + Zigbee2Mqtt (docker), talking to my existing Home assistant (docker). Yay! 🙂 I migrated the office, will play around, and then switch the rest of the apartment.

royal star
#

tons of indie zigbee chips these days

#

the cc2531 combo pack on amazon is my favorite

#

is it really fun if you dont wait 45+ days to get yours from aliexpress

earnest hinge
#

have to test if the siren of the old alarmsystem still works. maybe i can interface that. looks to be driven by a relay

royal star
#

has anyone used the new z2m ui

#

to set an aqara vibration sensitivty

golden vessel
#

anyway to make ZHA set sensors to unavailable after restart? it seems to restore the last known state, which is troublesome

#

a motion sensor that was triggered while HA is rebooted, will forever stay triggered, and automations will not fire the next time it is triggered (only the next one)

royal star
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make an on restart automation maybe?

#

motion sensors reset themselves i thought

golden vessel
#

how?

#

I can't set the state on the sensors

#

and ZHA shouldn't set the state if it doesn't know the actual state IMO :/

royal star
#

actually, im not sure what you're saying

golden vessel
#
  • sensor state = on
  • HA is restarted
  • sensor state will stay on, until there is another motion trigger. Since it was on, there will not be any state change until it goes off.
#

while there is no motion after restart, it will always stay ON

dry fossil
#

I have a solution

lilac wharf
#

|| inb4 Zigbee2mqtt ||

dry fossil
#

You got me. I'm not wrong though 😉

royal star
#

Don’t restart ha

#

When your sensors are on

#

Easy.

dry fossil
#

As much as I love HA, being event-driven is one of its biggest flaws.

#

Missed events are a PITA.

#

So... keep your Zigbee running while HA restarts... Z2M.

#

Bonus points for Docker install 😉

royal star
#

Zha should really just be a separate docker controlled by ha

dry fossil
#

Maybe... but they chose to be an official integration.

#

If you want to avoid that, your options are deCONZ 🤢 or Z2M.

royal star
#

Is there no way

#

For an integration process to survive a core restart?

lilac wharf
#

Nope

royal star
#

So zha can’t really preserve state

#

Across restarts

lilac wharf
#

Nope

#

HA just knows the last state before restarting

royal star
#

That kind of turns zigbee devices into message beacons rather than a constant running network

lilac wharf
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Well the network stays up

royal star
#

Right, but HA doesn’t know that

lilac wharf
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Yeah

royal star
#

If the state isn’t preserved

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I just added a router in the middle of my mesh, gonna be interesting to see how it all reroutes in a day or two

#

🤞 my heiman siren plays nice with aqara devices

lilac wharf
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Hasn't broken yet?

dry fossil
#

It'd know just fine if you decoupled things.

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This is why the debate the other day tickled me. People saying only engineers care about decoupling... but we have yet another support query which would be solved by decoupling 🤣

celest ivy
#

Hi everyone! I'm moving my HA installation, and wondering what I should take with me to avoid having to re-pair every zigbee device. Is my zigbee.db enough?

lilac wharf
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The pairings are stored on the coordinator so no worries about that. Just copy over your config dir including hidden files and you should be good

gentle flint
golden vessel
#

I'm an software engineer. I care about decoupling when developing. I don't care about decoupling with HA integrations, from an user's POV. I was going to explain that, but you said you know so much more about software engeneering... My 2 cents just couldn't stand! 🙂

dry fossil
#

you said you know so much more about software engeneering
Didn't happen.

golden vessel
#

anyway, I could just fire a separate instance of HA with ZHA if I wanted. I don't. I just think ZHA should leave sensors at "unknown" until they got a report 🙂

dry fossil
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Other people are happy to have last known state over unavailable. Can't win 'em all.

golden vessel
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here it is 🙂

dry fossil
#

I still don't see the bit where I claimed to be a better dev than anyone else.

golden vessel
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lol nevermind 🙂

dry fossil
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But I'm not gonna get into a stupid argument. You're clearing just trying to troll me.

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Bye.

golden vessel
royal star
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That also won’t help if your device is in deep sleep

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Given it’s an architectural limitation, you may have to write up some custom shutdown/startup automations to preserve the state you need across restarts

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Or switch to Z2M

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This isn’t a unique issue

dense bluff
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Hi Friend, i have that issue that lock changes its state from lock to unlock every 20 minutes, what you mean buffer, how can I use it, because in automation it is impossible to use it when it locks unlocks periodically

unkempt moat
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Do you guys have any good pointers to configure hue dimmer switches in a zigbee2mqtt environment? With brightness change and color/scene cycling?

cloud cave
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Hi, I'm still struggling with my ZHA integration. Things seems to be working well (nodes are responding), but the map gives me a view of 10% connected nodes and the main-node Conbee2 are set to offline.
https://imgur.com/a/zlbIwdm

I have an idea to move to another channel for Zigbee (now ch 15), as it interferes with both wifi channel 1 and 6. Now I have moved my ap's to channel 8 and 13, which isn't the standard channels for me.. :)
Zigbee channel 25 seems to be the best for me.

Also the IKEA power outlet I bought to increase the network (all other devices are battery powered, mos Xiaomi sensors).

I'm reading about deCONZ and maybe are in the mood of doing a switch from ZHA. But I really want to give ZHA a try as is't allot development going on here...
Any advice are appreciated! 🙂

Maybe my Conbee2 needs some FW update, I have never done it...

paper steeple
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hi.
before i open an issue on github and make a fool of myself, lets see if i can make a fool of myself here first.
so, i have quite a few LIDL (Livarno) zigbee bulbs.
they have a little problem and i don't know if it's unfixable or if it could be fixed with a ZHA QUIRK:
when you change to a color like blue or red, you can't go back to white unless you set the color_temp first. this doesn't happen with any other rgb bulb i have.
with the lidl bulbs i always have to do an extra step first of either manually adjust color_temp up and down or using a extra service call in automations.
so... if anyone could confirm if this is fixable via quirk, i'll open a request on github

verbal shale
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@grim ravine you can but that switch, I already have 2 with 2 gang each

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i'm using zha, no probleme

paper steeple
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the Lonsonho ones?

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@verbal shale
they have some LED on the front plate on each button. how often/when does that LED turn on? is it always on?

verbal shale
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not really, the led is off when de device button is off or on when is on

paper steeple
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wait, so if i turn the light on, the LED stays on?
those switches are button battery powered, right? thats gonna hurt the battery life?

verbal shale
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no, it will not. the battery stays for 1,5 year

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deppending the battery you buy xD

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lol

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and advice, it will not came with battery, soo you will ne to buy

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and if soo....buy philips or groundi

paper steeple
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good to know

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i still don't quite understand when exactly the led will be on and when it will be off 😕

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how many are you using in your house? are you happy with the quality?

verbal shale
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cheap plastic

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lol

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if you want more functions

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buy something like that

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I'm waiting for one of this

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😛

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I will receive it in a few days, I hope

paper steeple
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i actually prefer to keep it simple with big switches.
makes wife happy

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i am just debating if i want the lonsonho ones or the simple aqara ones

verbal shale
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eheh that one that I show you, its for moving around

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aquara ones, requires a square box

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and I only have round box

paper steeple
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i want something that will be on the wall static. ,not moving

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so, square is best for me

violet dagger
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none of the battery powered ones are real switches so you don't get your current power state on the led

paper steeple
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interesting.
but i'll stick to something simple. single button and a few 2 buttons thats it

violet dagger
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led is only a signal when a button is pressed or for connecting

paper steeple
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ah, so on battery powered, led is only used at the moment when you click? good

mighty river
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Delivery from Tibber came earlier than expected, so I could swap (almost) all remaining Osram devices for Hue bulbs.
Fingers crossed that this will cure my connection issues.

verbal shale
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mine stays on when I press it

paper steeple
verbal shale
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aquara

violet dagger
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@verbal shale on your battery powered switch?

verbal shale
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yes

paper steeple
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@verbal shale so you have the Lonsonho ones, but you suggest Aqara? how comes?

verbal shale
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quality

violet dagger
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how does the led know when it has to be on and when it has to be off?

paper steeple
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noted. 😄

verbal shale
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and because i have a delay of 1...2 seconds

paper steeple
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i have xiaomi plugs, so that's probably best for compatibility too

verbal shale
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why you dont want to go with wire solution?

paper steeple
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i have explained that for over an hour yesterday, not going to go into that discussion again

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in short: i cant

verbal shale
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i was not into

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ok

paper steeple
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thanks for all the help.
i actually finally made up my mind too and created a aliexpress account.
i will buy the aqara ones

subtle portal
verbal shale
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@paper steeple look...one more lonsonho Tuya TS0044

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😛

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4 buttons

paper steeple
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hehe

verbal shale
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@subtle portal replace the zhaquirks/tuya/ts0044.py file with that one that you show

delicate fossil
delicate fossil
subtle portal
delicate fossil
# dense bluff Hi Friend, i have that issue that lock changes its state from lock to unlock eve...

@dense bluff https://pastebin.com/bS1g5mqi You can see I look at the first index of the args array and ignore it for my zhaquirks handler. Your values will be different. I have two lock and they did not have the same values for in the array. I spent and hour locking and unlocking with my zha_events logging to figure it out and noticed event with 117 happening without me touching the lock. Hope this helps!

fiery skiff
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Hi all. Since I upgrade HA to 2020.12.7 all my Zigbee devices are unavailable. i've seen that the 3rd party zigbee broker I used is stopped development. I replaced it by the Official HA mqtt broker but the devices are still unavailable. Is there anybody who can help me with this?

delicate fossil
sour shadow
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Oh, and there's no such release FYI 😉

mighty river
# mighty river Delivery from Tibber came earlier than expected, so I could swap (almost) all re...

Guess I was a bit too optimistic. Despite no Osram bulb, light strip or plug being left in my network, I still do see the same effects I saw before: Some bulbs vanish occasionally for no apparent reason.

I'm especially puzzled by one Hue bulb dropping while being just centimeters away from a Hue bulb of the same type.

Also: The phoscon defined groups always allow for a proper addressing of all connected devices.
I'm almost considering to switch to use the groups instead of the bulbs. Looks more stable ...

fiery skiff
sour shadow
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Did you restart Z2M?

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Have you checked the Z2M logs and the MQTT broker to see if the messages are being published to the broker?

fiery skiff
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Restarted many times, will try again once. mqtt broker log on the Log tab is not showing that kind of logging. Can only see the connections coming trough

sour shadow
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Install MQTT Explorer, or any other MQTT client, and check the topics by subscribing to # and see what you see

subtle portal
fiery skiff
molten linden
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Also if you pulled from zha repo you might want to grab the whole tuya folder and update in whole there has been some refactoring in general with in the tuya remotes in the past few days

subtle portal
golden vessel
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Are there any known issues with moving from deconz to zha without reseting the conbee nor changing network key? Asking for a friend who tried that and had random devices stop working in the next two or three days. He never had issues before in deconz.

obsidian sandalBOT
subtle portal
verbal shale
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nice @subtle portal 😄

gentle flint
mighty river
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Is it possible, that devices that are very close to each other (few centimeters apart) can cause interference or the like and that this might result in one of the 2 devices to drop from the mesh?

mighty river
mellow geode
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Although probably unrelated: what firmware are they running?

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And do they have a ZLL (49246) or ZHA (260) profile_id in the signature?

mighty river
mellow geode
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Can you somehow read the sw_build_id in deCONZ/Phoscon?

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Do these bulbs also have bluetooth support or are they an older generation?

mighty river
mellow geode
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Afaik the version should be sth like 1.65.xx or 1.5.xx

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I'm using ZHA and not deCONZ, so I'm not sure what information is read there

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But, you mentioned that you no longer have any OSRAM bulbs and still experience dropouts for one bulb

mighty river
mellow geode
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Ah

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They are (still) the metal bulbs?

mighty river
mellow geode
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The housing of the lower part of the bulb

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Gen 3 and newer have a white plastic housing

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Gen 1 and Gen 2 have a metal-ish looking housing

mighty river
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Only white plastic to be seen.

mellow geode
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Yeah, I remember the packaging of Gen 2 having the metal bulb

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But I guess they already switched to plastic then

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Oh well

mighty river
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Looks very much like it.

mellow geode
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deCONZ/Phoscon should also have a mesh map of some sort. Can you see if the (disconnecting) bulb is connected to the ConBee directly or connecting to any routers?

mighty river
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I see what you mean. The pic on the box is still metalish looking. The bulb already is plastic.

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It cannot reach the router directly (too far away).

#

The working bulb is connected to at least 5 other nodes.

mellow geode
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ConBee (II) -> Coordinator (stick)
(almost) any mains device -> Router (Philips Hue bulb for example)
(End-Devices -> sensors)

mighty river
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Scratch that! Currently at least 10 other nodes are connected.

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nodes = routers

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I have temporarily moved the not so nice bulb to a different housing, about 1 m away from its usual space. It sports 3 connections to routers now.

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Doesn't have to mean much. It usually builds up quite a few connections after restarting - but drops it after a random time.

mellow geode
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3 connections should be fine. I'm guessing the other routers/nodes are also Hue bulbs?

mighty river
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Mostly. Some Ikea bulbs are in the mix as well.

mellow geode
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Are the IKEA bulbs on the latest firmware?

mighty river
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I checked all in the updater a few days ago.

mellow geode
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For deCONZ, I think you need to provide the images manually

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Also, I just checked some sites. I think Gen 1 and Gen 2 are actually running some software version 5.x.
However, with Gen 3 Philips seems to have changed the chipset and thus completely overhauled the software. (latest running on 1.5.0x I think)
The newer Bluetooth (and Zigbee) bulbs are running 1.65.x (latest update)

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IKEA routers should work fine though.

#

I think the best shot you have at this, would be to just check if all your firmwares (hue and IKEA) are up-to-date.

mighty river
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Yes, I downloaded the Ikea firmware prior to checking.

mellow geode
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Perhaps one of them stops routing messages after some times?

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Mhm, ok

mighty river
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The bulb in question is now building up an almost equally dense mesh with its neighbour routers ...

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Maybe it really is the proximity that is causing issues.

mellow geode
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I have newer Hue bulbs and IKEA bulbs where there are three bulbs very close to each other.

#

This shouldn't cause too much interference (if at all)

mighty river
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Maybe I could add a different type of bulb (have some white Hue bulbs as spares now) for testing purposes and see if that changes things.

mellow geode
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Does the "failing" bulb also immediately come back (responding to comments) after it has been restarted?

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And does it ever come back on its own (without you restarting it or anything)?

mighty river
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Usually it does

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And sometimes it even recovers.

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Today it flapped quite a few times.

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(Need to figure out how to download the firmware updates.)

mellow geode
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Ah, sorry

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You can basically copy-paste all urls with googleapis.com or philips in them in your browser.

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This should automatically download the file

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The philips OTAs are from line 59 - line 182

mighty river
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will probably build a script that downloads all files

raven chasm
#

hey guys i don't mean to break the conversation, but I am having an issue with my zigbee device. I have the norteck Zigbee/Zwave hub and I currently have 2 zigbee aquara humidity sensors and the one that is upstairs seems to consistently fall from the network. Has anyone found a way to have devices coexist? Does anyone know how to change the zigbee channel of the norteck hub?

mellow geode
# raven chasm hey guys i don't mean to break the conversation, but I am having an issue with m...

Since you're using the Nortek stick, you are also using the "bellows" library for communicating with the device. If you want to change the channel, you can do this in the configuration.yaml: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-znp/issues/31#issuecomment-691238780
However, since you already created your network this will not work (if I remember correctly). I think you need something like bellows leave ... and then bellows -d /dev/ttyUSB1 form -D /config/zigbee.db -c 25 (25 being the channel) to reform it (https://github.com/zigpy/bellows/issues/191).
Maybe you should wait for somebody else to give a better answer though.

On another note, the sensors falling from the network doesn't have to mean you need to change the Zigbee channel (which ALWAYS requires re-pairing ALL your devices at the moment).
Perhaps some router (mains powered device) is having issues with the Aqara sensors, as they don't follow spec and tend to be a bit special.
Do you only have the stick and the two sensors on your Zigbee network at the moment? Or are there actually some more routers (like bulbs, smart plugs, ...)?

mellow geode
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But, it's just 18(?) OTAs you need to download. Making the script might take longer than copy-pasting a couple of URLS 😉

mighty river
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But then I need to do it every time.

mellow geode
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Philips hue bulbs don't get as many updates (as IKEA for example)

mellow geode
raven chasm
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@mellow geode thanks for the quick reply. Currently for zigbee I only have my 2 aquara sensor . I am making the assumption that it is the channel soley because it is the oone device that is furthest from the hub .

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I will try and get a repeater then.

mellow geode
# raven chasm I will try and get a repeater then.

Yep, that seems like a good option. Just don't get any OSRAM or LEDVANCE devices, as they will kick off the Aqara devices after some times.
IKEA and Philips Hue devices (bulbs, smart plugs, ...) work just fine as "repeaters" in my experience.

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You might need to re-pair the Aqara sensor directly to the router/repeater after you've got it.

raven chasm
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understood

digital fable
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Hey guys, quick question, is there a way to limit the polling rate of a device in Deconz? i added a smart plug, but it reports the power drawn every second... causing my dashboard to load that graph pretty slow...

coral condor
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I gotta thanks you all zigbee pros. After I installed some additional zigbee devices, I was able to get a better signals for my entire house. No more signal lost now. Awesome! (got the zigbee sockets as the signal extenders and repeaters). Tested for 3 days now.

dry fossil
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The only time I've seen slow loading of dashboards was on a Pi.

molten linden
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some (most) hue bulbs don't report their attributes so I know ZHA polls them to be sure they are up to date, so the no polling thing is sort of left up to the software controlling the network.

digital fable
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i see, while digging into the debug log of Deconz, i saw this about every second: Poll APS request xxx to 'SmartPlug'

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and it's just a graph i,ve added this sensor too shows the last 12 hours... so it wants to add about 40000 points on it...

mighty river
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Looks good here now as well. At least for the moment.
What I noticed most prominently: After rebooting the controller, the mesh is building up much faster than before with the Osram bulbs.
So, for now I assume that the 2 Hue bulbs next to each other are really causing issues. Will see how things develop next days.

naive ivy
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So, I just added a couple new Sylvania RGB bulbs to my ZHA network, and then added them to a new Zigbee group. It let me name the group "Bedroom ceiling light" when I created it, but it actually saved the name as "Bedroom Ceiling light_zha_group_0x0004" and won't let me rename it. Two other Zigbee groups I've made the same way can be renamed at will. It will let me change the entity id, but not the name. Any thoughts?

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I've got Platform zha does not generate unique IDs. ID light_zha_group_0x0004 already exists - ignoring light.bedroom_ceiling_light in the logs

tropic depot
naive ivy
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I'll give that a shot sometime in the next few hours here when work slows down, thanks

kind sapphire
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Hi, I have a question regarding Zigbee2MQTT. I want to integrate a device that is supported by Zigbee Herdsman and already part of the devices.js file. Still zigbee2MQTT tells me
Zigbee2MQTT:warn 2020-12-30 21:28:48: Received message from unsupported device with Zigbee model 'TS0601' and manufacturer name '_TZE200_kfvq6avy
The devices.js says
fingerprint: [{modelID: 'TS0601', manufacturerName: '_TZE200_zivfvd7h'}, {modelId: 'TS0601', manufacturerName: '_TZE200_kfvq6avy'}], so I guess this should work right?

austere patio
glacial parcel
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Hi I just bought a "smart" device however it seems I need a zigbee hub, due to the zigbee intigration it needs, Is there anyway i can flash a esp 32 or something to allow me a way to access this device?

austere patio
lilac wharf
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...so you'll need a Zigbee coordinator of some kind (USB stick or sonoff zbbridge for example)

dry fossil
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zzh! zzh!

glacial parcel
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ah fml I should have expected to get shafted somehow

dry fossil
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Shafted? For not doing proper research before buying?

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Sounds self-inflicted to me

glacial parcel
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yeah

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more like taken advantage of

dry fossil
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🤔

glacial parcel
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never expected zigbee to be its own fullstack including physicial layer

foggy gyro
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I am getting ready to flash the CC2531 I was told not to buy using a mac computer and a NodeMCU ESP8266

Questions really is getting some of these first steps done

kind sapphire
foggy gyro
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Such as preparing the firmware and the CCloader

austere patio
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I believe Z2M has an entire guide for what pins go where

foggy gyro
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Got that done!

austere patio
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You don't need to do the conversion part IIRC, the .zip file contains both the Intel hex and a bin file

foggy gyro
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oh that is nice

austere patio
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Oh wait no

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do not use the included binary file

foggy gyro
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yeah :/

#

Would someone be willing to convert it for me by chance?

austere patio
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Messaged it to you

foggy gyro
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Ty a ton!

kind sapphire
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ok still doesnt work as expected, am I doing anything wrong regarding the herdsman?

Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2020-12-30 21:49:32: Received Zigbee message from 'Heizung Schlafzimmer', type 'commandGetData', cluster 'manuSpecificTuya', data '{"data":{"data":[0,0,0,150],"type":"Buffer"},"datatype":2,"dp":2,"fn":0,"status":0,"transid":108}' from endpoint 1 with groupID 0 Zigbee2MQTT:warn 2020-12-30 21:49:32: Received message from unsupported device with Zigbee model 'TS0601' and manufacturer name '_TZE200_kfvq6avy'

crimson tide
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i'm currently migrating some ikea devices over from the ikea integration to zha... but one of the devices, an on/off dimmer switch, no longer report it's power level, just displays "unavailable"... any ideas?

austere patio
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If you just migrated I would wait a few hours. The device sends its battery status every hour, I believe, with ZHA's attribute reporting settings.

crimson tide
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it's been 20h's and the other devices reported their battery levels right away

#

the switch works fine otherwise

austere patio
#

In that case try going to the device's page in ZHA and click the "reconfigure" button

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Sometimes my Trådfri dimmers get overwhelmed by requests and ZHA never finishes initializing them

crimson tide
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hmm, i'm not sure anything is happening, there's no progress indicator or anything when clicking reconfigure

austere patio
#

Yeah that's normal

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Make sure to keep the device awake before you click reconfigure by poking buttons continuously for like 10 seconds

crimson tide
#

i appreciate the help, but unfortunately doesn't seem to resolve the issue... i might just remove the device and re-add it and see if that helps

#

that did it, must have been a partially failed initialization the first time as you said

foggy gyro
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Getting this error from Adrino IDE pyserial or esptool directories not found next to this upload.py tool. An error occurred while uploading the sketch

#

anyone heard of this?

#

lol it is a Big Sur problem

dry fossil
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With Big Sur, you can now run VM's more easily, right? Fire up a Ubuntu VM and do it all in there.

#

Or did the fix they suggested near the end work for you?

foggy gyro
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Now I am getting illegal hardware instruction

austere patio
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You may be better off installing esptool independently of the Arduino IDE

foggy gyro
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the warning is from terminal while trying to this part ./CCLoader /dev/cu.usbserial-0001CC2531ZNP-Prod.bin 0

austere patio
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Yeah that's not a warning

#

Did you compile CCLoader with gcc main.c -o CCLoader?

foggy gyro
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yeah I'll do it again

austere patio
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You may have to upgrade Xcode and the command line tools

foggy gyro
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Maybe I should have that downloaded in the first Place?

austere patio
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If you can run gcc you probably have it installed?

#

At least the command line tools

#

It may be easier to do this from within a Linux (or Windows 😦 ) environment...

foggy gyro
#

could be right but sunken cost atm

#

might also be easier to just solder the pins onto my pi but w/e lol

dry fossil
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They call it the sunk cost fallacy for a reason.

austere patio
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Hey stubbornness is one way to get things done

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And IMO the best way

dry fossil
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But knowing there's another way that would take 10 minutes...

foggy gyro
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omg it was a space missing!

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./CCLoader /dev/cu.usbserial-0001 CC2531ZNP-Prod.bin 0
not
./CCLoader /dev/cu.usbserial-0001CC2531ZNP-Prod.bin 0

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I think it worked!

#

now if I do it in docker on my mac I can move that to the pi right?

dry fossil
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'Do it'?

foggy gyro
dry fossil
#

There's a lot of stuff on that page. Which bit are you referring to?

foggy gyro
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oh running Zigbee2MQTT

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whether I do docker or run it on my pi zero

dry fossil
#

If you do something like Docker Compose, all you'll need to move when you change machines is the compose file itself and the contents of whatever folders you mapped as external volumes.

foggy gyro
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awesome I will do that eventually

dry fossil
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I like to keep all my folders for my containers under the same directory, with the compose file in the root of that directory.

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If I ever move, that's one folder to back up.

foggy gyro
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how do I create a second docker conatiner?

dry fossil
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Same way you make the first one

foggy gyro
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The screen is gone lol

dry fossil
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What screen?

foggy gyro
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it has been replaced by active containers

#

wait I asm being super dumb

dry fossil
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I have no idea what screen you're looking at. You're not giving much information here.

#

Please say you're not using the UI 😮

foggy gyro
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ignore me for a second lol

#

I did the first time around yes

dry fossil
#

If you're brand new to Docker, that's okay. But you'll quickly want to learn the CLI and Docker Compose.

#

It's way easier to define all your containers in a Docker Compose file so you can just run one command to bring them all online.

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Also means you can have dependencies - like container X needs to be running before container Y.

foggy gyro
#

how can I move my conatiner?

dry fossil
#

Move your container? Where?

foggy gyro
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so I have HA in a folder called HA I want to nest into a new folder

dry fossil
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First... You don't move containers.

#

Second... make/move the folder wherever you want it, then update the volume mappings for your container's definition.

foggy gyro
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simple!

dry fossil
# 
    volumes: 
      - ./home-assistant:/config```
This is how I define where my HA stuff goes.
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HA is looking for /config, I've mapped that to the relative path ./home-assistant (one folder down from my docker-compose.yaml)

foggy gyro
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I now have

/Users/ncc1702/Documents/Docker/HomeAssistant

dry fossil
#

My folder structure looks like this:

.
├── app-daemon
├── daapd
├── docker-compose.yaml
├── home-assistant
├── mariadb
├── mosquitto
├── nginx
└── zigbee2mqtt```
foggy gyro
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what does the . do is it referential?

dry fossil
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In my path? . just means 'here'

foggy gyro
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neat!

dry fossil
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So if I'm currently in /usr/mono/docker, ./home-assistant actually refers to /usr/mono/docker/home-assistant

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Some people don't like using relative paths because it's easy to get lost when you think you're somewhere else. I like them because it makes that whole folder portable.

foggy gyro
#

so this would be correct now?

./HomeAssistant:/config
if the compose file is in the docker folder

golden vessel
#

@amber gull any news regarding the ghosts? Were you able to capture anything yet?

foggy gyro
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now I need to remeber how to start it lol

#

don't give me the answer

amber gull
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@golden vessel I haven't had any since I fixed proper PCAP rotation, of course.

golden vessel
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ghosts are smart I guess

#

was it a xiaomi sensor?

amber gull
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My hunch is that it seems to be related to lighting changes, lights going on/off, sunrise, etc -- but that wouldn't follow your pattern of having the sensor in a closed drawer

foggy gyro
amber gull
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Yes, Xiaomi motion sensor

golden vessel
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nah. I've had a sensor triggering all nite long 😄 no light changes

dry fossil
amber gull
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I had one trigger slightly after sunrise and turn lights on in a bathroom -- had another trip at least three times when we were out of the house in the entryway -- shortly after all house lights were turned off

golden vessel
#

I've just setup a sniffer with whsniff. How are you doing pcap rotation?

foggy gyro
#

ok now how do I add the next container to my compose file?

obsidian sandalBOT
dry fossil
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You literally paste it beneath the first container (minus the version: flag)

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dry fossil
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I already shared my Compose file. Shouldn't be hard to figure out the answer to your question from that.

foggy gyro
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can you help me verify?

dry fossil
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Ah, you don't want services: twice either. Like I said, compare to mine.

foggy gyro
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yours seem broken would not open

dry fossil
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Mine works just fine 😉

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I didn't say to run my file.

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I've got mine set to work for me, with my folders and my devices.

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Or do you mean the hastebin wouldn't open? 🤔

foggy gyro
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lol not you file the paste bin link

dry fossil
foggy gyro
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yes

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how do I launch the compose file?

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using the compose not gui

dry fossil
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You already said the command...

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docker-compose up -d

foggy gyro
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oh lol

dry fossil
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You can keep tweaking the file and adding stuff. Every time, just run up.

foggy gyro
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i dont know if ti worked

dry fossil
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Why not? You can check the logs and the status of your containers.

foggy gyro
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unsupported config option

dry fossil
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Then it'll tell you where to look.

foggy gyro
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Unsupported config option for services.homeassistant: 'zigbee2mqtt' all i got

dry fossil
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Your indentation is wrong then.

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It's telling you that you have services.homeassistant.zigbee2mqtt and that the last bit doesn't belong there.

foggy gyro
dry fossil
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And... your indentation is wrong.

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17 should be in line with 4.

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Otherwise it thinks 17 is a child of 4.

foggy gyro
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I'm used to working where that does not matter got it now TY!

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something else is wrong now it keeps rebooting

dry fossil
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So now you look at the logs

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docker logs -f <NAME_OF_CONTAINER>

foggy gyro
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serial port issue

dry fossil
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What issue? Please give full error messages each time.

foggy gyro
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Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error: No such file or directory, cannot open /dev/ttyACM0'

dry fossil
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Then you didn't give it the right port.

foggy gyro
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I need to find the gizmo

dry fossil
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ls -al /dev/serial/by-id

foggy gyro
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I do not see it

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/dev/tty.JabraREVOa400-SPPDev        /dev/tty.URT2```
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my ports

dry fossil
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Then it's not connected 😄

foggy gyro
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light is green

dry fossil
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That means it's powered on, not that it's connected and recognised by the OS.

foggy gyro
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maybe it failed flashing?

dry fossil
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🤷‍♂️

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Did you restart it after flashing? Unplug and replug.

foggy gyro
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Yeah

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I see it now I just flipped the USB C adpater over lol

dry fossil
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🤦‍♂️

foggy gyro
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weird that I see it in sys info but not terminal

dry fossil
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Maybe it doesn't like that it's connected via a hub. I don't know.

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I always connect directly.

foggy gyro
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It is as direct as it can be

dry fossil
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Only because you're an Apple fanboy 🤣

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See what other people think. I have no idea what to do next.

foggy gyro
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I'll probs plug into the pi

earnest hinge
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what are you running this on?

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docker runs in a vm you probably have to somehow share that device with the vm? if thats at all possible

dry fossil
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The problem isn't the device mapping. The device doesn't appear when listing serial devices on the host.

earnest hinge
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ah i see

foggy gyro
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Going to try to flash it again

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it never flashed

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i wired it wrong

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I assume this means it is working? Enable transmission... Request sent already!Waiting for respond... Begin programming...

dry fossil
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'Verify failed' doesn't look great. But you'll find out when you try to use it with z2m.

foggy gyro
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still no see on serial

dry fossil
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Then it probably didn't flash.

foggy gyro
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lets try again

foggy gyro
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Really do not know if this worked

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Gonna see if the pi can see it

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looks like a solid maybe

foggy gyro
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so the pi can see it so now the effort of installing it there

austere patio
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I think I ended up using the other cc_loader that takes like two hours with a Linux SBC and a ESP8266. Couldn't get the other one running properly.

foggy gyro
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I got it working (i think)

pine goblet
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Picked up a outdoor hue monitor sensor. Couldn’t get it do anything after adding it to HA. Instead I put it to my brothers hue hub an added that to HA. Apparently you can’t make a room with only a motion sensor and no bulbs so I added it to his room with his bulbs. Whatever it’ll work for now. I get everything set up and working properly and it works immediately when seeing motion. Now a few minutes later all the sudden there’s a delay after it sees motion to when it turns on the lights

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Anyone have any ideas?

austere patio
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Get it working without the Hue hub?

pine goblet
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Any ideas on why it wasn’t working before? It connected but wasn’t doing anything

austere patio
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What Zigbee stick are you using? Enable debug logging for ZHA or look at the pairing log in the UI, it should tell you what's happening

pine goblet
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@austere patio okay I’ll give it a try. Debug logging should be within the zha integration?

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I have a nortek dual zigbee/zwave stick

foggy gyro
mighty river
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Quick update regarding my yesterday's experiment to move the affected Hue bulb ~1 m away from the other Hue bulb: The mesh is still strong. Both bulbs have more than 10 green connections to neighbouring routers and work flawlessly.

So, I assume my thesis has some merit: Those 2 Hue bulbs in close proximity (handful of centimeters apart) are apparently influencing each other.
I will experiment with a different kind of Hue bulb in this spot somewhen next days to see what effect this has.

jolly narwhal
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I have a lot of tradfri bulbs that are 15cm apart atleast

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9 of them to be precise

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And 12 of them 30cm apart

mighty river
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The 2 Hue bulbs where in neighbouring sockets in the same lamp, almost touching each other. So, I guess not more than 3-5 cm from each other. None of them could reach the controller directly and has to go through 1 or more routers.

jolly narwhal
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Last I checked all my bulbs go directly to the coordinator

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Need to check, but it takes forever to generate the map 🐔

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Eh, quite unreadable, need to get a better resolution at some point when I have time

wheat rose
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has upgrading to 2020.12.2 completely knocked out all ZHA devices for anyone else? Happy New Year!

livid abyss
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I assume it's still not possible to bind an Ikea remote directly to an Ikea hub without another device like a bulb in between?

abstract goblet
wheat rose
abstract goblet
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It looks like your RPI is not not seeing the adapter, what type are you using? What is the device path in your integration?