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austere patio
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It's not something I can see a solution for other than just always permitting joins through the coordinator

mellow geode
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Oh well

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Does Z2M support joining via routers?

austere patio
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I think they added it last year

mellow geode
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Perhaps Koenkk always also allows joins through the coordinator then?

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Like, someone must have run into this issue before probably

mellow geode
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Thanks so much for the help again!

austere patio
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Though this could be called elsewhere, I'm not 100% familiar with how Z2M works

open creek
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@amber gull - since doing that "add new from this device" my aquara sensor has been good

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i'm gonna do that for some other devices that have unoptimized connections
thanks for the help!

mellow geode
molten linden
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@mellow geode if you you need to sniff traffic you could use the Elelabs with bellows. Not sure if you can pipe that to wireshark but can load the pcap in afterwards to look at.

mellow geode
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Ah, nice to know

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Thanks!

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Another question:
from my previous Elelabs config I still have:

zha:
  zigpy_config:
    source_routing: true
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I can remove "source_routing" (which I want enabled) because that is enabled by the firmware anyways, is that correct?
(On ZZH)

austere patio
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Yeah that's unused

red walrus
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good evening all

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so I got the aqara temp sensor today and I just added it to my mesh network and it's reading at 74.3 degrees F

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inside temp of my house is 68

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my hue motion sensor is showing 64 degrees

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both are in the same room

austere patio
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How long ago did you add it?

red walrus
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aqara, 5 minutes ago

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the hue, 2 days ago?

austere patio
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I'd give it a few minutes. Maybe it sent out the temperature reading after you were handling it

red walrus
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the hue is still wrong by at least 4 degrees

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is there a way to offest the temp?

red walrus
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ok looks like the aqara has settled down

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but the Hue has been 4 degrees out for 2 days

forest nova
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Dear folks any idea how can use 3rd lamps with hue entertaiment or apple homekit? TS0505A

waxen jungle
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cloud cave
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Hi!
I have had the zha and zha-map added to my docker installation. I have removed it (I never got it to work 100%, seems to never update, even tho I triggered scans...), but I still have the Zigzag in the menu.
https://imgur.com/lVnvWXX
How to remove the menu-item?

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Also, I have been looking for a way to change the zigbee channel for my Conbee 2 stick (using ZHA integration). Have not found a solution yet...
One seems to be to use a Win machine with deconz and reset, change channel, and then move it back to HA and include all devices... Any advice are appreciated!

waxen jungle
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cloud cave
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Thanks for the tip @waxen jungle . I'll use it if I dont find the way to remove it completly. But its annoying.. :)

Regarding the channel, I must have missed it when I setup my ZHA network some months ago. Or maybe it's a new feature. I have seen several other discussions around how to change... SO thanks for pointing it out!

scarlet oyster
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Good morning (og god jul!).
It looks like my cheap CC2531 I use for z2m burnt up over night. It only throws USB errors...
So if I want to continue on the z2m route, what would be a good replacement (which is "widely" available) ?

waxen jungle
scarlet oyster
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Unfortunately, I am living on the other side --> "god jul" 🙂

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I really appreciate the offer, thought!

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But I guess shipping to Norway is a bit more expensive?

waxen jungle
violet dew
junior meteor
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Shipping to Switzerland is 14 USD so I'd assume it's cheaper for Norway 😛

dry fossil
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The zzh! is great. Tiny little board with an antenna and 3D-printed case. My server is at my desk and I have the zzh! at the end of a USB extension - it's barely noticeable.

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So good, in fact, that dale bought 20 of them.

waxen jungle
violet dew
waxen jungle
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Darn. 😦 I tried. But yeah, it's a great stick and well worth the money.

celest ivy
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I have the impression that my zigbee battery sensors spend most of their energy sending the battery level back to HA. Is there a way to reduce the polling frequency for them?

waxen jungle
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Most people complain that their Zigbee devices don't send the battery level often enough. :😂;

dry fossil
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No, you can't change it 😉

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It's baked into the device. They do what they're designed to do, you just listen for the messages.

celest ivy
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Ah, so there's really no polling?

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Maybe I'm imagining things, but I get the impression that these batteries are going down a lot faster with HA.

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Thank you for correcting me 🙂

lilac wharf
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Tbh battery percentage seems to be such a crapshoot I prefer when OEMs just send normal/low for battery level

austere patio
violet dagger
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Battery anxiety is real

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I just change batteries when I notice a device is not working for a few days ;)

celest ivy
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You can't imagine. Then I have to drag a chair over and get up there and change the sensor battery!

austere patio
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If a device is pretty compliant you can intentionally misconfigure it to report weather data and battery info every second. ZHA has fixed settings for different types of attributes so it's not something you can easily tweak.

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But in theory it is possible for ZHA to ask the device to report more frequently, though I think Z2M usually is the one with more aggressive reporting

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Which would cause it to drain the battery faster

celest ivy
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Ah, so it's not as easy as setting a cluster attribute?

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Oh, and I wanted to ask about zigbee groups - is it meant to control like the four hallway lights together? They're different from HA groups?

austere patio
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You can tell Zigbee devices to be a part of a Zigbee group, like 0x1234. If you send an on/off command but instead of addressing it to device 0x5678 you address it to group 0x1234, every device in that group will turn on/off via a single request

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Like in theory you can add every single light to a group and toggle them all simultaneously

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I believe group requests generate more traffic because the network has to essentially broadcast the message instead of delivering to a specific device?

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HA groups do the same thing but in software. If you add 100 lights to a HA group, there will be one toggle switch that will cause 100 requests to be sent when you toggle it.

hexed pilot
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I am using HUE with the hilips bridge, but now also like to use Xiaomi smoke detectors. So I would like to switch to a direct Zigbee. What would you suggest: ZHA / DeconZ or Zigbee2MQTT ?

lilac wharf
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Personal preference

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I prefer z2m so that it's decoupled from HA, but there's nothing wrong with ZHA

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Can't speak to deconz, never used it

gentle flint
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zha is configured to send repots within 1 hour of battery value change, so that should eliminate momentarily battery level variations and max reporting interval (when there are no changes) is 3 hours. So if the device is unused, that amounts to 8 reports in 24 hours, but most devices still send battery updates on their own schedule.
@celest ivy what radio are you using?

hexed pilot
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HA is running as a VM on ESXi, so direct USB connection will be difficult

gentle flint
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use z2m

sour shadow
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Stick Z2M on a Pi, located somewhere sensible, and away you go 😉

hexed pilot
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Yes, that seems to be the easiest on hardware level 😉

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Would I lose any HUE functionality ?

gentle flint
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btw, finally had to replace a battery in a centralite motion sensor. It stopped working after last reporting voltage of 2V. For reference, Xiomi become iffy about 2.7-2.75v

sour shadow
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Well, you'll not have the Hue app any more, but I believe there's ways around that

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Beyond that, depends on what you mean by functionality

hexed pilot
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I use automations in HA and adaptive lightning with hue

sour shadow
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Those will still work just fine

hexed pilot
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Before I order, what zigbee adapter should I use for Zigbee2mqtt... Knowing i allready have 50 HUE lights

sour shadow
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The pinned message tells you the recommended ones 😉

leaden raptor
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I got my zzh stick from @waxen jungle, saved some money and he even had it flashed for me. I prefer z2m.

hexed pilot
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@leaden raptor thanks ! Because on Tindie sold out

celest ivy
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So I take it none of you are using zigbee groups then?

golden vessel
celest ivy
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Happy with them? What problem does it solve for you?

golden vessel
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Also, it created a default one for some remotes (ikea iirc)

gentle flint
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what firmware on elelabs stick? the default v8 from elelabs, kicks out directly connected children every 24 hours. Could be a problem if Ikea connects directly to it

golden vessel
celest ivy
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Yeah, the other one the chap recommended

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Ah, that makes sense

golden vessel
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Yeah, install the zha-ng firmware on it!

celest ivy
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efr32mg13p-v8-6820-115200.gbl was the one I flashed.

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Hmm, it looks like I already have two zigbee groups - Ota and GreenPowerProxy

gentle flint
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Ota and GreenPOwerProxies are not groups. at least shouldn't be groups. Those are clusters

red walrus
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sup fella's I have 3 different temp sensors all sitting within an inch of each other all reporting different temps

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all zigee

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anyway to offset them so they all read within a 1 degree margin?

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actually 2 are close enough, but one is 2 degrees out

gentle flint
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use template sensor???

pseudo zephyr
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Hello everybody, I am now forced to ask for help about my raspbee II installation. I am running home assistant on a raspberryPi 3B. I recently installed the raspbee II zigbee adapter with the deconz addon. It get's me some time but I think I made configuration correctly as I can have acces to the Phoscon web interface. The problem is that often I can connect to web interface and suddently I kind of loose connection with a message saying network not found. It really appear randomly between instantly and 10-15 secondes. I read on forums and search that there might be wifi or bluetooth interferences. Any idea or clue about that problem ? I already try to solve this this issue with the people of deconz and they we didn't find any solution so that's why I am here trying to understand the cause of this problem. I downloaded a raspbian image with deconz and it worked correctly. But then I can't use home assistant. So that's why we suppose the problems comes from home assistant image a missing configuration that I forgot or that I haven't done. here are the logs : https://pastebin.com/QGSdwv9x

golden vessel
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What power supply are you using? Also, any other devices connected to the rpi3? Could be a power issue.

pseudo zephyr
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no other device connected. I am using the standard power supply, 2.5 A

waxen jungle
# hexed pilot I am using HUE with the hilips bridge, but now also like to use Xiaomi smoke det...

Having used all three, I can say without a doubt that I would never recommend deCONZ...it was a disaster for a few of my devices because they were not fully supported. I recently switched to ZHA from Z2M (Zigbee2MQTT), and with the exception of Hue Dimmer remotes dropping off intermittently, I really like it. I started building a Lovelace dashboard for managing Z2M, but switched to ZHA before I could finish it.

sour shadow
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Z2M has it's own native UI now 😉

waxen jungle
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Yes, but it's friggen terrible.

sour shadow
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🤣

waxen jungle
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I had to add an extra CC2652R to my HA machine just to be able to start the add-on to be able to test-run it.

sour shadow
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Ah, well, there's your problem 😛

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I've had no issues with the native Docker install TBH

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(or the bare metal install)

waxen jungle
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I was running bare metal when I used Z2M, but I don't recall it having a UI.

waxen jungle
sour shadow
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Came in with 1.15

pseudo zephyr
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Well so basically I lost 40$ XD

waxen jungle
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Hmm, I was on 1.16.1 or 1.16.2...but don't remember it having a UI!

sour shadow
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It's there 😉

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List of devices, map, settings, groups, logs, and more

golden vessel
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@pseudo zephyr the "network not found" is about the zigbee network or wifi/eth network? where does that message show up?

pseudo zephyr
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It's is about the zig bee network

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It shows up in the web interface of Phoscon

golden vessel
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well, there I can't help much :/ and if deconz guys haven't been able to help, I can just suggest that you move to ZHA 😄

red walrus
gentle flint
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@pseudo zephyr https://discord.gg/FEfrkNnC try asking on deconz discord. depedning what install method did you use, maybe something else is trying to grab the port

pseudo zephyr
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@gentle flint Actually it's deconz team that send me here XD as they weren't able to help me findind the cause of the problem

gentle flint
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Funny

pseudo zephyr
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but it doesn't with HA or deconz addon

gentle flint
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did you modify the boot config to allow serial port? you can disable bt and wifi there too. 🤷

red walrus
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See themplates for binary sensors but not sensor sensors

pseudo zephyr
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I modify only two parameter in the config.txt as writend in the deconz addon documentation

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"Using a RaspBee
If you are using RaspBee, you may need to edit the config.txt file in the root of your SD card in order for your RaspBee to be recognized and assigned a device name.

Add following to your config.txt:

enable_uart=1
dtoverlay=pi3-miniuart-bt"

gentle flint
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🤷 dunno then, I don't use deconz.

sour shadow
pseudo zephyr
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Would it be another option that I can use with this adapter ? I mean I am just discovering zigbee so I am not yet married with deconz you know ^^

red walrus
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ok thanks @sour shadow

sour shadow
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USB sticks are generally easier than "hats"

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I know there are instructions for Z-Wave hats, somewhere

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I don't run Supervised or HAOS though, so I'm not sure where in the HAOS docs those might be

gentle flint
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yeah, they do recommend require USB sticks to be connected through an USB extension to keep it away from the interference, but the HAT is sitting on top of all the noise generating circuitry and there's no way to move it away

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well, technically there is -- you could use an USB-to-TTL serial adapter

sour shadow
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I run my Z-Wave that way, but I don't run HAOS/Supervised

gentle flint
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check what overlay you need to use to disable BT and WiFi on RPi3B. might help or at least eliminate as a possible culprit

scarlet oyster
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A HAT could be connected through a cable, though.

sour shadow
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None of which solves the problem of reaching the HAT in software 😉

pseudo zephyr
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yes, I saw that there might be trouble withn zigbee bluetooth and wifi but is it a question of interferences or power suply ?

scarlet oyster
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Of course not, but it would not be influenced by the noise generating circuitry.
And not be reachable 😉

sour shadow
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That seems unlikely

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If that happens, things are probably on fire 😛

gentle flint
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not necessarily, a bad power supply could work most of the times

sour shadow
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That I'd agree with

gentle flint
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are raspbees2 affected by bootlooping too?

pseudo zephyr
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so having the zigbee shield very close to the wifi chip working also in 2.4 GHz might be the cause ?

sour shadow
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That's possible, but hopefully folks don't run their HA server on WiFi....

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Yeah, I know, faint hope 😛

gentle flint
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could be, but then it shold behave similarly on raspbian, unless on raspbian they disable WiFi and BT

pseudo zephyr
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yes so I will try to deactivate wifi and bluetooth on config.txt But I am not sure I believe there is differents variable for the different types of raspberryPi

gentle flint
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to many uknowns. Disable WiFi and BT. check. then try with a different power supply. Then get an ZZH or Elelabs Stick

pseudo zephyr
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@gentle flint yes correct and logical...

gentle flint
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should be the same overlay for Rpi3B+

pseudo zephyr
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dtoverlay=disable-wifi
dtoverlay=disable-bt seems to be correct right ?

gentle flint
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yes. does it allow multiple lines?

pseudo zephyr
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but then what does theses ones : enable_uart=1
dtoverlay=pi3-miniuart-bt

gentle flint
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you would need to use google to find that answer. The GPIO pins are shared with some other hardware, that's why you needed a different overlay

pseudo zephyr
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ok so I will keep theses two lines and will add the two ones to disable wifi and Bluetooth

golden vessel
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are you sure you can have multiple dtoverlay lines?

gentle flint
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looks so

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remove dtoverlay=pi3-miniuart-bt" leave enable_uart1=on and dtoverlay=disable-wifi and dtoverlay=disable-bt

sour shadow
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Watch of course, since HAOS doesn't use Raspbian/Raspberry Pi OS

pseudo zephyr
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I mean if it works on raspbian I would love to use the docker version of HA but then I don't have acces to the addons anymore right ?

gentle flint
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you could reinstall their raspbian version and check/verify what settings and overlay they are using.

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overlay config should be similar in hassos, since it is platform specific, not distro specific

pseudo zephyr
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yes good idea

gentle flint
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i just don't know if HASSOS tries to use uart1 for system console. unlikely

pseudo zephyr
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same problem with enable_uart1=on, dtoverlay=disable-wifi, dtoverlay=disable-bt

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aaah

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wait a sec

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something seems better

gentle flint
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also in phoscon change channel to 15, 20 or 25

waxen jungle
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I am a huge advocate for #chan25

gentle flint
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depending what channel your wifi is.

sour shadow
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26 FTW (where supported by all your hardware)

gentle flint
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but even then, on wifi disable 40MHz channel bonding

pseudo zephyr
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anyway I also turn off 2.4GHZ wifi of my internet box

waxen jungle
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WiFi interference (or lack thereof) isn't going to change the fact that your stick/network isn't accessible to deCONZ running on HA.

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Even with maximum interference, the network will still be present, but possibly have issues communicating with other nodes.

pseudo zephyr
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Ok so it seems to be way more stable now

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So yes it is definity stable now

waxen jungle
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I stand corrected. 🙂

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Glad it's stable for you now!

pseudo zephyr
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So if I understand well there is a conflict that the raspberry by default want to use the pins where the shield is connected for something else ?

waxen jungle
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Oh wow, that makes sense. What exactly did you do to fix it?

pseudo zephyr
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I uses theses three lines : enable_uart1=on, dtoverlay=disable-wifi, dtoverlay=disable-bt

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but

waxen jungle
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I wonder if just enable_uart1=on would suffice.

pseudo zephyr
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it kind of switched the order between dev/ttyAMAO and dev/ttyS0 not sure. I mean is switch the order that they appear into Supervisor->System->Host System-Harware

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I will now try to reactivated bluetooth and wifi and only keep enable_uart1=on and see what happend

waxen jungle
pseudo zephyr
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ok well so if I reactivate the wifi and bluetooth same problem again and it reswitch the order in the Hardware

gentle flint
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yeah, seems like issue 3681

pseudo zephyr
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Does the wifi/bluetooth chip communicate on the same BUS and then when turned off the field is free for the shield ? It seems pretty logical

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As far as I understand UART is like a serial line so multiple communication on a serial might become a big party XD

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It might explain why sometimes it works and sometimes not

pseudo zephyr
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Ok so I try with disabling only the bluetooth and it works but I had to switch to dev/ttyS0

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by default the pin 8 and 10 are used for BLE TDX and RXD so here is the conflict

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SO i don't know where exactly theses pins are connected but disabling bluetooth and choosing the right device solve (temporarly) the problems. Thanks @gentle flint @waxen jungle

cloud cave
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I have recently added the channel to my config:

  zigpy_config:
    network:
      channel: 25```
But how can I verify that channel 25 are used?

I have first setup ZHA with the UI and then included 10 devices (default channel 15).
Is it possible to do the change to channel 25 without resetting my ConBee 2 ?
gentle flint
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Use deCONZ app for that. Zigpy config is for newly formed networks

cloud cave
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Ah, I see, can I move the USB stick to another machine with deCONZ and change the channel? Or do I need to reinclude all nodes?

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I didnt like channel 15 as its affected by both WiFi channel 1 and 6.

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In the ZHA integration there are a "Network Visualization", it seems not to work only 3 nodes are connected out of about 16... And the 16 nodes are working... Cant find anything regarding the "Network Visualization" in the docs..

winter mist
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I got an Aqara/Xiaomi vibration sensor. I'm wondering if I got the wrong item. I'm looking for a sensor that can spit out 3 axis accelerometer information. The device was added through ZHA and all that's provided is a binary sensor for "vibration". I don't see any additional information through the sensor's attributes. Is there anything more I need to do to get that info?

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I see people talking on the forums with doing interesting 3 axis things with the sensor, but I don't quite understand if there was something special I was supposed to do when I added it, or I need to flip a setting somewhere to get more information than just what the binary sensor is spitting out?

urban nova
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Try listening for zha_event

tropic depot
lime spear
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Hi, i have a conbee ii stick which was plugged in on my pi on a usb 3.0 port

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i read somewhere in a post where the 3.0 port would not be optimal for the conbee ii stick

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so i would like to move the stick to a usb 2.0 port

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question is, do i just move it to the usb2.0 port while the power is off? is it just like plug n play? what is the process of changing it to a different port?

golden vessel
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I had very bad reception on a zigbee stick when I plugged it in a USB 3 port, so yeah, move it

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power off your pi and change it. You may need to edit the device path on zha/deconz/z2m

lilac wharf
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Really no reason to power off the pi, you can hot swap it. Also if you use the /dev/serial/by-id/ path you won't ever need to change the path again

lime spear
coral condor
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hi zigbee experts and fans!

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I wish to know if I can plug a zigbee usb stick directly into the power outlet that comes with usb socket?

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I am wondering if can increase the zigbee signal within my house?

near echo
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@coral condor Yes if you flash the router firmware on that usb stick - is that CC2531? the onboard antenna on that is pretty lousy, if you can get one with antenna or attach one yourself, it will give good range. Otherwise, use some zigbee bulbs / power sockets which may provide a better range

coral condor
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nice! thanks manju!

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I tried to bring the zigbee devices closer to the nortek stick, it works well but if I extend the range like from 1st floor to 2nd floor I will loose the signal

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let me check the usb stick

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not sure if it is a CC2531 (I was reading the zha from home assistant page and CC2531 is referring to the Texas Instruments radio). The site did mention about upgrade the firmware

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I will give that a try

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thanks manju!

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does it matter if I plug it into USB 2 or USB 3.0?

pallid pollen
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Has anyone got their aqara cube to work in node red with zha?

wary ginkgo
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does any one know how to change the zigbee channel on tasmota device ?

sour shadow
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What device?

wary ginkgo
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Sonoff

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Sonoff ZibBee Bridge

sour shadow
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You're using that with Zigbee2Tasmota, or something else?

wary ginkgo
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I flashed it with tasmota

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to use in Home-Assistant

sour shadow
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Their Discord can help more I'm sure

wary ginkgo
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but devices keep on disconneting after a while

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Thanks for the help

clever aurora
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hi guys, just a small question right here, can usb donfgle CC2531 supports Aqara/Xiaomi sensor?

sour shadow
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It's not the stick that does, it's the software you run

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So, pick your integration (see the pinned messages) and then pick your stick. Just, not that one 😉

clever aurora
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alright, i have one using for zigbee, does that mean i need another one for Aqara/Xiaomi?

sour shadow
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No

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Well, probably not

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When you say for zigbee what do you actually mean?

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Are you using it with one of the things mentioned in the channel topic?

clever aurora
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its my mistake not making clear aqara is using zigbee protocol

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sorry and thanks

sour shadow
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I know it does

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However, support for those devices depends on your Zigbee integration, not the stick itself. Hence my question...

clever aurora
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ya i understand now thanks

golden vessel
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In ZHA, If a device fails to get properly recognized during pair, is pressing the RECONFIGURE button é enough to make it get the proper quirk? Or does quirk only gets assigned during pair?

pine goblet
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Anyone have any luck getting aqara devices to connect to HA through a hybrid controller stick? Won’t have my hands on the zzh! For a few weeks

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@sour shadow just read your messages to the other guy on this topic. What’s the best way to get it to work? Zigbee2mqtt is that what you’re talking about?

sour shadow
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There is no best

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Just what works for you - see the pinned messages 😉

pine goblet
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Sorry I don’t mean best I just mean what way works

sour shadow
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They all work

pine goblet
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I’ll take a look

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Cause my current setup doesn’t see the contact sensors at all

sour shadow
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There's just (at least) three different choices for how it works

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Well, you haven't told us what that is 😉

pine goblet
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I think I have zha

sour shadow
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The should work fine there, if that's what you actually have

pine goblet
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I clicked configure on my zigbee integration and it says “in the future you can change network settings for ZHA here.”

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So I assume that means I have ZHA.

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The reason I’m not sure is cause it’s my fathers setup and I’m trying to get everything working perfect for him

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Just bought him $600 in GE switches and various aqara sensors for Christmas

sour shadow
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Hopefully you've got a bunch of non-battery Zigbee devices there

pine goblet
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The switches are zigbee so I’m hoping they’ll work as the repeaters. If not I’ll have to research how to setup routers

sour shadow
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They will, if they're in the same mesh

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You can of course graph the mesh to see what's going on

pine goblet
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I’ve literally spent weeks researching every tiny thing related to home automation so I can help my father lol

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Still so much I don’t understand

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I see a lot of people suggesting to use Mqtt for everything but no one ever really explains why or what it is.

sour shadow
#

They likely mean Zigbee2MQTT not MQTT

pine goblet
#

I see that and I see mqtt when referring to using flashed WiFi devices

sour shadow
#

MQTT is a message transfer protocol

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That's all

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Think of it like a post office

pine goblet
#

I just bought a $10 WiFi switch from treatlife that I’m going I’m to experiment with flashing tasmota OTA. $10 switch seems a lot better than a 35 dollar zigbee switch

lilac wharf
#

Just wait until you find a 2 for $10 deal on wifi switches that can be flashed with Tasmota...

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Also FYI tuya-convert doesn't work on many devices now. Anything that's still ESP based can be serial flashed though. That's more #diy-archived or #general-archived though so more info there if you're interested

pine goblet
#

What brand? I was a little worried about putting 20+ switches on my network until WiFi 6e is being used

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Sorry wrong channel for this

lilac wharf
#

Nah you're good

pine goblet
#

This stuff can be a bit over whelming 😁

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@sour shadow any ideas on why my HA can’t see the contact sensor?

sour shadow
#

Are they paired?

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Are your switches already paired?

pine goblet
#

No not yet. Had the contact sensor right next to the controller

sour shadow
#

That should work fine, if ZHA is in pairing mode

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Sometimes it can take a while to pair, and you need to keep the sensor awake

pine goblet
#

Okay I did notice it kept going to sleep

swift talon
#

hi guys sorry for the stupid question. i recently go from deconz to zha but i can't understand one thing

sour shadow
#

Basically once you put it in pairing mode, poke the pairing mode button every few seconds

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You can stop once it has paired

swift talon
#

i hace a conbee 2 as a coordinator + 4 ikea repeater, when i pair a new device i just press the + button or i have to select the nearest repeater ?

lilac wharf
#

Doesn't matter. Selecting the nearest router can be helpful for pairing in place

sour shadow
#

Generally you shouldn't need to though, and probably don't want to

swift talon
lilac wharf
#

Yes

swift talon
#

how much time need the ma to show the correct configuration?

lilac wharf
#

🤷‍♂️

sour shadow
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Well, the map shows what's currently known

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It can take 24 hours before things decide to re-route, if they ever do

pine goblet
#

Do aqara devices show up as unk_manufacturer?

sour shadow
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In ZHA?

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Doubt it

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But I don't run it

pine goblet
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Yeah lol that’s what it just found

swift talon
pine goblet
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Unk means unknown so it says unknown model and unknown manufacturer 😂

swift talon
#

that's strange imo

pine goblet
#

I wonder if they don’t play nice with this nortek hybrid stick

lilac wharf
#

Shouldn't matter

sour shadow
#

As I keep saying...

It's the software that matters,not the stick

pine goblet
#

Okay

austere patio
#

All that means is that your sensor fell asleep before ZHA managed to configure it

sour shadow
#

The stick is just a Zigbee bridge, translating Zigbee to something the software can understand

pine goblet
#

I understand I’ll try to readd it

austere patio
#

Make sure to keep poking the button every second or two until the sensor is fully configured

pine goblet
#

That’s what I was doing and it worked but I think it failed half way through

swift talon
austere patio
#

No, for the Xiaomi sensors

pine goblet
#

😁

sour shadow
#

When pairing any battery powered device it's a good practice

pine goblet
#

Now it popped up as lumi.Sensor_magnet.aq2

austere patio
#

Yeah that means it worked

pine goblet
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Cool 🙂

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And it’s seeing it open and close. Such a good feeling when things work

pine goblet
#

Motion sensor and temp/humidity sensor aren’t reporting battery life for some reason. Everything else is perfect so far. Just gotta figure out how to adjust the motion sensor

lilac wharf
#

Could take some time

sour shadow
#

If they're just paired it may take a while for those values to populate

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Oh, and good luck in adjusting anything Zigbee 😉

pine goblet
#

Yeah I had a feeling that may be the case I’ll check them in a few days

sour shadow
#

Unless that's with a hammer/soldering iron

pine goblet
#

Haha you can’t adjust the parameters?

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Like how long between triggers?

lilac wharf
#

Usually not

sour shadow
#

I've yet to find any that allow it

lilac wharf
#

I know you can adjust sensitivity on the Hue motion sensor at least

sour shadow
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🎉

lilac wharf
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Cooldown...I don't know of any that allow that to be customized

pine goblet
#

Maybe I should swap out for zwave motions

sour shadow
#

If they work, they work

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Otherwise, yeah, I prefer my Z-Wave ones from a functionality perspective

pine goblet
#

I’ve seen some 4-1 and 6-1 type zwave multi sensors.

sour shadow
#

Aeotec and Fibaro here, both work well

pine goblet
#

I could return all my motions and humidity sensors and get one of those. Comes out to almost the same price. Only problem is id also have to get zwave repeaters

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I’ll try the aqara first and see if it’s an issue

sour shadow
#

The Aqara temperature/humidity sensor is pretty good IMO

pine goblet
#

I have 2 switches in each bathroom. I would have to change 1 in each to a zwave

sour shadow
#

That'll be costly 🤣

pine goblet
#

Well right now I have 6 zigbee switches between the three bathrooms. One for light and one for fan in each.

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I could return 3 and order 3 zwave switches that way I have repeaters for both networks 😂

lilac wharf
#

Are the switches rated for inductive loads like an extractor fan?

pine goblet
#

I’m not sure I didn’t even consider that

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Says 15amp resistive load and motor load 1/2 hp on it

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Resistive load 1800w

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I’m just gonna stick it in and see what happens 😂

golden vessel
#

Why go zwave when you have zigbee? 🙈
I've been "fortunate" to help a friend setup his zwave network of about 80 nodes (switches, shutters, sensors, etc)... Its not better than zigbee. Yes, the modules have more configuration, but that's pretty much it. The network is much slower, even for devices near the zwave stick, and its so much more expensive...
I always tough about zwave being supperior to zigbee, but I've changed my mind after trying it 😄

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regarding "how long between motion triggers", do you really need to adjust it? If you need a bigger time, just do it on HA side. If you need less.... you don't! 😄 (kidding)

austere patio
#

You can do the hardware mod on the Aqara sensors and get them to trigger once every 5 seconds, then increase the actual occupancy timeout to whatever you need within HA

golden vessel
#

For normal use cases, light turning lights on/off with movement, are there any real need to have it trigger more than once every 2 minutes?

pine goblet
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My motion will turn light in bathrooms on, door sensor being closed keeps it on until it’s opened again, I wanted motion sensor to check again 5-10s after the door sensor opens

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To verify no ones still in the bathroom

lilac wharf
golden vessel
pine goblet
#

After checking that no one is still lingering in the bathroom

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I can live without it tho 😃

golden vessel
#

you don't want to turn lights off as soon as there's no motion... it would probably have too many false positives (negatives?) and people will be mad 😄

pine goblet
#

That’s why I put a door sensor on each bathroom door

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Motion turns it on initially, door sensor being closed keeps lights on

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I wanted it to check for motion again 10 seconds after door sensor opens

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Before killing the lights

red walrus
#

I'm doing this too LOL

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and the fan

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I also have a de-legged switch in the bathroom

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if you turn the switch on by hand it disables motion too

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for 20 minutes

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(makeup time)

golden vessel
#

don't you guys ever leave the door open? 😮 😄

pine goblet
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I pee with the door open

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But that’s what the motion sensor is for

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I like the manual idea. Was wondering how to work that in

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Trying to figure out the difference between started detecting motion/stopped detecting motion and occupancy became occupied/occupancy became not occupied

golden vessel
pine goblet
#

Okay so for faster results I’d go with motion

amber gull
#

FWIW, @golden vessel I started to get false positive aqara motions 😱

pine goblet
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Oh no 🤔

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That’s what I’m using

amber gull
#

Screwed up my crontab pcap rotation though so i don't have ota sniff yet

golden vessel
#

finally! I was feeling lonely here... 😄

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I haven't been able to set up a sniffer yet (and after going crazy for two days, the sensor is silent now)

vagrant crag
#

Im looking to change from deCONZ to Z2M, and need to upgrade my Conbee 1. Should I buy a Conbee 2 or use something like ZZH?

sour shadow
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ZZH 😉

vagrant crag
#

Thanks, i will buy a ZZH when the store opens 🙂

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Anyone have tried Sonoff motion sensors? im reading a lot of conflicting reviews.

tropic depot
mighty river
#

Whats the difference between the conbee/phoscon and its integration and zha?

golden vessel
#

zha is integrated in HA (the zigbee network is managed in the component), deconz is an external service

dry fossil
#

ZHA works. deCONZ...

mighty river
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Lol

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So I can just use my ConBee stick with ZHA

dry fossil
#

There's plenty of information in the topic and pinned messages about which integrations support which sticks.

mighty river
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Yeah, I'm gonna read the integration page tomorrow. Just wanted to know if I won't be wasting my time trying to make it work.

pine goblet
#

So I noticed with my aqara motion sensors that they will continuously detect motion that renews their detected state but it always takes 2 minutes of no motion from their last detection before they shut back off

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I know modifying them is limited but is there anyway to shorten the 2 minute period?

lilac wharf
#

There's the hardware hack that changes it to a 5 second cooldown

austere patio
pine goblet
#

Does it have to be 5 seconds? Can you do like 1 minute?

red walrus
lilac wharf
#

5 seconds, it's a hardware thing @pine goblet

red walrus
#

The cool down shortening will also shorten battery life

pine goblet
#

It’s weird because my sensor will detect new motion within the 2 minutes to renew it but it’s always 2 minutes before it switches to no motion

golden vessel
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that's how it works. it only sends a message after 2 minutes

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IKEA motion sensors are worse: near 3 minutes

pine goblet
#

Okay I understand better now

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It reports home every 2 minutes

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So the hardware mod makes it report home every 5 seconds

red walrus
red walrus
austere patio
#

Even for motion sensors in very frequently occupied areas

lilac wharf
#

@red walrus Hue are like 5 seconds

red walrus
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Really? Mine isn't

lilac wharf
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At least when paired to the bridge, maybe it differs when not

red walrus
#

I've got another in the wardrobe I haven't reset.. I'll do that tomorrow and test it

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Mines in my ZHA stack

pine goblet
#

I’m gonna try the aqara mod. The board inside that thing is probably so tiny

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I was surprised how small the motion sensor was when I opened one

lilac wharf
#

Yeah I bricked one because I looked at the photo wrong lol

red walrus
#

I was going to get some of those pre-tasmotized

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so not the zigbee ones

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my bad it is zigbee

lilac wharf
#

Tasmota motion sensor probably isn't a great idea unless they're not for a time-sensitive thing anyway

red walrus
#

for the occupancy

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i was going to use it in my den and dining room

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unless someone is sitting in those rooms I want the lights off

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on with motion

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stay on with occupancy

pine goblet
lilac wharf
#

Someone just sitting might not keep the sensor active though

red walrus
#

I can get them for $15

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no one really just "sits" anywhere

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there's always some sort of motion

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I have a hue in my bedroom that only tests for lack of motion oover a 15 minute period

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and it detects even minor leg movements

#

the problems is my dogs sleep in the den...

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and one is a cane corso

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she sets off ALL of my motion sensors LOL

pine goblet
#

Big boys

lilac wharf
#

Those hue motion sensors are the best motion sensors I've ever used

#

They're just rather...big boned

red walrus
#

she's very lean but yes very big boned

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very sweet girl.. we got her 10 weeks ago?

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she's 6, ex puppy mill breeder

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6ish....

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i have a hallway samsung motion sensor thats basically pointed at the ceiling so she doesn't set it off

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i read somewhere turning them upside down helps? I haven't noticed it..

pine goblet
#

You could tape the sensor a little bit too

red walrus
#

there's something I didn't think of.. I'll try that

pine goblet
#

Wow aqara products are super cheap on AliExpress... probably could’ve saved myself quite a few bucks

red walrus
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$11/per if you buy 4

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that is pretty cheap

#

door sensors are less than $10 per if you buy 4

trail warren
#

can someone verify my topology? I'm thinking it should be: slaesh zigbee stick --> Zigbee2MQTT docker container --> MQTT --> Zigbee2MQTT inside HA supervisor addons

pine goblet
red walrus
#

banggood usa is even cheaper on some stuffs

lilac wharf
#

@trail warren no, the add-on would be the zigbee2mqtt container

trail warren
#

so I only need zigbee2mqtt in a separate docker container? How do I have my HassIO communicate with zigbee2mqtt?

lilac wharf
#

Just use the zigbee2mqtt add-on if you're running an install method with add-ons

#

Zigbee2mqtt communicates to HA using MQTT

#

So you need an MQTT broker set up and HA needs to be connected to it

trail warren
#

For my zwave, I had my zwave stick - ozwdaemon docker - eclipse mqtt - then in Hass MQTT, and ozwbeta

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but for zigbee it sounds like I just need to add MQTT in HassIO, and not zigbee2mqtt

lilac wharf
#

You need zigbee2mqtt AND an MQTT broker

trail warren
#

ok - i'll add both those addons. But, does that mean I still need to run MQTT on docker and zigbee2mqtt on docker? or does MQTT in HassIO take care of that

lilac wharf
#

If "MQTT in HassIO" is an MQTT broker then you're set there

#

So you need that plus the zigbee2mqtt add-on

#

Also sounds like you're running Supervised. I'd recommend HA OS, whether on bare metal or in a VM

trail warren
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I managed to get the HassIO VMDK running in a VM in Unraid which is actually going really fast and seems stable

lilac wharf
#

Oh gotcha, so you are running HA OS. That's good

trail warren
#

That's where I got confused with the MQTT and other docker containers

lilac wharf
#

Well it's up to you then. Doesn't matter if they're add-ons or outside containers

trail warren
#

so if I run the MQTT broker inside of HA OS, there's no need to run it in a separate docker container outside the OS?

lilac wharf
#

Yes, that just means you have two separate MQTT brokers

trail warren
#

I might keep the broker outside the OS, just in case something weird happens so I can have the configs saved

#

but I would still have to enable the MQTT addon inside the OS, but just point the URL to the docker container?

timid niche
#

Not really sure why you would need two mqtt brokers, but if you insist, pick one and go with it

trail warren
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I think I see now. I just point zigbee2mqtt and ozwbeta towards one broker

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less middle-men lol

lilac wharf
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Yes, that's what I've been saying

trail warren
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My last hurdle is finding my device in Integrations. I'm using an Aqara sensor but do not have the hub

lilac wharf
#

No need

#

It'll show up at configuration > MQTT

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Or developer tools > states

trail warren
#

maybe this is a good reason to use MQTT in the OS

lilac wharf
#

Won't make a difference

#

You just need to point HA to the broker, wherever it's at

trail warren
#

I pointed Supervisor zigbee2mqtt to the MQTT broker and it's all working. I'm trying to research how to have HA find it

#

it's not showing up in config - devices or entities, nor integrations

timid niche
#

I really think having two brokers is confusing you. Delete one of them. Pretty sure when you point the zigbee2mqtt integration to your mqtt broker things should start automatically start happening

trail warren
#

the mqtt broker inside HA is off, using only the docker mqtt broker

#

things are pairing for sure - I'm seeing updates in the log when the contact sensor changes

#

but HA has no way it seems to add this sensor to integrations, and I don't see it in devices or entities

#

there may be a way to manually add the device to the config, but auto discovery would be preferable

mellow geode
#

I've yet to figure out which motion sensor is the best. The Aqara ones do seem to react very fast, but they have their own issues. Konke motion sensors are also nice but do seem kinda slow too.

timid niche
#

@trail warren , if you are seeing changes to the sensor in the HAss logs then it has been added to HAss

trail warren
#

where do you think I can find the sensor if it's not in devices

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I tried to create an automation and the device does not appear

timid niche
#

Unused entities? Dev tool / states. Look for entities?

lilac wharf
#

Or at Configuration > integrations > MQTT

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If you enabled HA MQTT autodiscovery

trail warren
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MQTT found it

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yes that was the missing part. Awesome guys. thanks for walking me through that

gentle flint
golden vessel
lime spear
#

Hi guys, how do i hot swap a conbee stick to a usb2.0 to my pi? how do i change the path in zha?

tropic depot
tropic depot
lilac wharf
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(/config/.storage/core.config_entries)
Make a copy of that file first before editing in case something goes wrong

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Also it'd be good to use the /dev/serial/by-id/ path this time

vestal moth
#

@red walrus Went back with the hue motion sensor to the hue hub . (not connected to conbee II)
Reason 1: firm updates 🤷
2 . no zigbee connection coverage there.
3. boolean motion and "ON_OFF" are now working.

lime spear
tropic depot
#

Read Tediore’s response right after mine

lime spear
#

oh right sorry, thanks for the help😆

lime spear
#

so i dont have to change anything?

lilac wharf
#

Shouldn't need to

lime spear
#

cool! appreciate your help!👍

lilac wharf
obsidian sandalBOT
#

Tinkerer is away for 1h 3m 18s with a message :point_right: 🤷

lilac wharf
#

@red walrus correction, default cooldown for Hue motion is 10 seconds and is configurable (see my previous message)

golden vessel
#

I've also had that with xiaomi sensors if I didn't keep pressing the button (before the one touch paring being implemented)

red walrus
lilac wharf
#

In zigbee2mqtt, yes

#

It's on that same page

silver vortex
#

Does anybody have any tips regarding getting a Xiaomi Smart Switch (square remote) to work in HA and/or node red? I have it paired and working in Phoscon but HA only sees is as a battery sensor! 😞
What do I have to do to make it work?

lilac wharf
#

You'll have to listen for deconz_event or use a Device™️ trigger in the automation UI (if supported)

#

Buttons/remotes are stateless in ZHA and deconz

silver vortex
#

Thanks for replying, how do I listen for deconz_events? In developer tools? I’m a noob at this! 🤓

lilac wharf
#

Yeah, developer tools > events

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And you can use an event trigger in an automation

lament blaze
#

is there a comparison of the functionality of deconz and zha that one can read?

#

pros and cons of the both...

silver vortex
#

But deconz_event is not listed as available there, is it supposed to be?

lilac wharf
silver vortex
#

Aaah! I think I got it now, at least read an event from the switch button!

robust spade
#

Hi, I'm trying to flash a Sonoff RF Bridge using FTDI232, however I can only find COM1, which is allways there, even when I disconnect all the devices. I've tried the FTDIchip drivers, they did not help. Any suggestions on how to find this unit?

dry fossil
#

I think you're lost.

#

The RF Bridge is... RF.

robust spade
#

Yet is a zigbee bridge.

dry fossil
#

Then it's not the Sonoff RF Bridge... 🤦‍♂️

robust spade
#

Fine RF then. 🙄

dry fossil
#

Make up your mind. Which is it?

analog ember
#

Is there currently an easy way to use the aqara motion sensor hack for 5s with ZHA?

dry fossil
#

I don't see why the integration would matter. It's a hardware hack.

red walrus
#

is there a quirk already writeen for the Aqara x OPPLE ZigBee 6 way switch?

analog ember
#

Well, ZHA itself has a build in 120 second timeout

dry fossil
#

Doesn't it just listen for the detected/clear messages?

analog ember
#

zigbee2mqtt has standard 90 seconds, but can be changed to 5 second in config files

analog ember
dry fossil
#

Oh. I figured it would listen to changes as quickly as they come through and that the timeout was just for cases where the 'clear' message didn't come through in time.

analog ember
#

Yea that's what I assumed also, sadly not the case. Tried connecting one of my modified sensors to ZHA. Results in a lot of buggy behaviour. (same behaviour as when you don't modify the timeout period in z2m config files)

austere patio
#

Otherwise, it'll be possible...eventually

#

I don't believe Aqara motion sensors send a "clear" message either, which is why the timeouts are required

dry fossil
#

That makes sense

final pivot
austere patio
#

Is Tuya not worse than even Xiaomi in terms of proprietary "additions"?

red walrus
#

probably

#

is there a page of already quirk'd devices anywhere?

austere patio
#

Look at the zha-device-handlers repo

#

Not all devices have extensive quirks (e.g. IKEA reporting battery percentages but doubled for some reason)

red walrus
#

looks like someone did the opple 6 button 2 weeks ago

#

I might take a punt and buy one

final pivot
#

I have a opple 6 button, what did you want to know?

red walrus
#

if it works LOL

final pivot
#

With

red walrus
#

in general really.. I wasn't looking for it to do much more than scene selection

final pivot
#

What Zigbee platform do you use

sour shadow
#

See the pinned messages 😉

red walrus
#

I have 6 scenes for my master bedroom.. ZHA

sour shadow
#

There's a couple of links on known working hardware

red walrus
#

I found the quirk

final pivot
#

Yes The opple 6 button works with ZHA for all the actions

red walrus
#

cool beans

final pivot
#

I personally Would prefer to sell mine for the 4 button

#

each butter has press, double, triple and hold

#

so many combinations, 4 button is enough for me 😄

red walrus
#

yeah that would confuse the wife LOL

#

KISS principle

final pivot
#

Be more confusing having 6 buttons in the dark tbh

red walrus
#

using a Hue remote now

final pivot
#

4 is easeir to tell for example top left bottom right

red walrus
#

not using the dimmer as a dimmer but for scene selector

final pivot
#

Opple are nicer feeling plastic then the hue

austere patio
#

Use the Aqara magic cube on a rope

red walrus
#

LOL @austere patio

#

she'd throw that to the dogs

#

literally

#

@final pivot they're only $15.. what would you sell it for LOL

final pivot
#

sell it for the 4 button instead

red walrus
#

no I meant how much

final pivot
#

oh probs get how much I paid for it

#

People will pay the same second hand as they can get it in a few days instead of 4 weeks from china

red walrus
#

it's still that slow?

#

that's pretty useless

final pivot
#

all dependent on where you are for me sometimes there is banggood 1 week delivery to uk

red walrus
#

I am looking on Banggood now

#

Midwest USA

analog ember
mighty river
#

For my European (specifically Dutch) folks, what are the best zigbee sensors on the market right now? I know the xiaomi ones are really good, but the shipping will probably take ages if I buy them on aliexpress, if they will even arrive at all.

violet dagger
#

best in show?

sour shadow
#

Best .... that's quite personal 😉

#

Other than the motion sensors, I'm happy with my Xiaomi sensors

#

Not that I've had an issue with non-delivery

violet dagger
#

hint, some aliexpress sellers ship from EU countries

sour shadow
#

Makes me laugh though when they have the option of shipping from France, Russia, or China, and in the UK I can't pick France 🤣

violet dagger
#

#brexit

sour shadow
#

🤫

#

We'll spend 50 years pretending it was a great idea

final pivot
#

Hue motion sensors are the best in my opinion , pricey but they don't have 2 minute timeouts

violet dagger
#

are they best because they have a whopping 2 min timeout?

lilac wharf
#

It's configurable down to 10 seconds

final pivot
#

Cause it uses AAA batteries instead of cr

#

They also have temperature and lux

urban nova
sour shadow
#

For Zigbee, I've also got a Konke one

#

Neither are anything as good as either Z-Wave one I've tried, but they're a lot cheaper 🤷

final pivot
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why not hue.. too expensive?

sour shadow
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And large, and ugly 😄

tropic depot
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centralite 3326 work well if you can find them

mighty river
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bloody hell just checked the hue stuff out and theyre expensive as anything!

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any recommendations for something between tuya and hue for price/workability?

sour shadow
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Xiaomi

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Their Mijia light sensor is really good

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The temperature/humidity sensors, and door/window sensors, are all ok

austere patio
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They have good components

final pivot
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In context its not expensive, Comparing £30 sensor to Xiaomi £10 is not tit for tat, as the xiaomi is not as good 😄

tropic depot
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I agree w/ Tinkerer

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the Xiaomi ones are great if you have routers that will respect them

sour shadow
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(so far, so good)

tropic depot
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the devices themselves are great devices

final pivot
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If you only need a few just pay out the cash to get something that works and be done with it, buy cheap buy twice 😄

sour shadow
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TBH the Konke motion sensor is ok too, if you don't mind that it's limited to a handful of channels, and has a long blind time apparently

mighty river
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yeah i totally get that @final pivot

final pivot
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I picked up a hue motion on FB selling page for £15, can always keep an eye out too

mighty river
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kicking myself as I had the hue hub and a few lights, got rid of them for tuya stuff to get more cheaper but kinda regreatting it now....

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I sold mine and 2 lights for £ on FB

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40*

final pivot
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Yeah but you need to learn them things tbh, aslong as you can resell for not too much loss.

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Being good with prices I often pick up bargain and resell them which makes up for my tech curiosity of buying cheap stuff that does'nt get used.

cold cedar
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does anyone use tasmota2zigbee (ZbSend, ....) with RGBW lights?

mighty river
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So I've been reading up on Zigbee, because I'm trying to install a temperature and leaking sensor in the basement, but I don't know if it can reach my rpi. It is definitely in range (5-6 meters while wikipedia says zigbee should be able to reach about 10-20). But it has to go through two floors. Would that be possible? And if not, what is the best way to extend my range?

sour shadow
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Two floors would be pushing it directly, but easily achieved with any non-battery Zigbee device added to the mesh - those relay (route) the messages

paper steeple
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hey guys.
i have several SONOFF SNZB-03 motion sensors.
the two corridor ones work nice, but the one in my office... i'd like to adjust sensitivity if possible, because if i sit still and just move the mouse a bit, the sensor goes "clear"
i am using ZHA and when i go into MANAGE CLUSTERS i have this cluster:

IasZone (Endpoint id: 1, Id: 0x500, Type:In)

that seems to have some sensitivity related attributes. however when i click on "get zigbee attribute" nothing happens. so i don't know what kind of value it has now and which one to use if i want to run some tests.
anyone can help with this?

gentle flint
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Means sonoff does not support sensitivity attribute.

paper steeple
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do you know (out of the head) any other that does?

gentle flint
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Just show me any device which supports all of the standard ZCL attributes

paper steeple
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?

lilac wharf
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Hue motion sensor

paper steeple
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thx @lilac wharf

gentle flint
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I'm pretty impressed by hue outdoor sensor. Had to reduce sensitivity all the way down because it was picking up cars on the road 70' away. Should just put one on the tree to cove motion in front of the house

lilac wharf
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Good lord

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Yeah my hue indoor motion sensor rocks

austere patio
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Are they the ones that take AA or AAA batteries?

lilac wharf
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Yeah, AAA

finite pawn
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Can I attach multiple usb Zigbee adapters to a single home assistant os machine? (cc2531, possibly on long usb cables or USB over ethernet in different parts of the house)

dry fossil
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Cables to different parts of the house? What madness is this?

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It's a wireless protocol.

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Most mains-powered devices work as routers. There's no need to have more than one device connected directly to your HA host.

finite pawn
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I have a whole bunch of door and window sensors and two mains devices. the server is in the basement, one of the zigbee smart plugs is on the main level, and the other zigbee plug is updstairs. i get good results with the devices on the main floor of my house , but the upstairs plug is really spotty.

dry fossil
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So you just need more routers.

normal whale
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find something that works as a repeater - for ex: ikea tradfri bulbs...etc.

austere patio
charred tinsel
#

Any one have any luck getting the EcoSmart remote button presses to show up in zha_events? I just bought a couple as they were on sale at Home Depot for cheap. I did do some research and noticed that people had problems with them, but never actually came across a solution. The remote pair's okay after I reset, but none of the button presses show up. All that shows up is the battery %.

molten linden
austere patio
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Yeah, they're pretty boring sensors

violet dew
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I moved all my hue switches from the hue bridge to ZHA. I'm using node-red to listen to zha_events and handle all button presses. Here's how I did it, hope this can help someone that is doing something similar https://blog.klauvi.is/hue-remote and zha/

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if you have any comments or questions regarding this, please send me a private message. I'm off to bed 😴

tacit steppe
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@violet dew first question is why? I have a HUBZ that I'm trying to get rid of. My plan was to either move to full Zwave on my Aeotec stick or for the times I do accent stuff (led strips, lamps, etc) I'd use my hue bridge

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is there a reason you moved off Hue?

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(also not bashing, just want to make sure I'm not making some sort of mistake committing more to Hue)

jolly narwhal
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I got rid of all my propitary hubs to have a single mesh, reduce the number of failure points and give me a overall better user experience @tacit steppe

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Tradfri/hue/gledopto/namron/Xiaomi all over zigbee2mqtt

inland marten
#

Hiya, I'm thinking of getting a zigbee usb (conbee II?) and replace my hue hub with it since I want to expand and use other (and cheaper) products as well. Are there any downsides to this?

junior meteor
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The only disadvantage I see is that you're loosing the ease of Hue app/bridge "just working" and some fancy features like the Entertainment Hub

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But if you don't care about that then there's none imo

inland marten
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Don't have a sync box so i guess thats fine.

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I guess i could also just have lights go through the hue hub while i keep stuff like sensors through HA

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But ye the main thing that worried me was functionality of stuff but if I'm not losing out then i guess why not use the conbee for the ability to mix and match without requiring a hub

sour shadow
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If you just connect the sensors directly to HA you have no mesh, and most likely won't connect 😉

junior meteor
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Yup! If you have a few Zigbee devices then it makes sense to have it in one Zigbee stick mesh as the sensors can take advantage of the Hue lamps as repeaters

simple sentinel
#

I would miss firmware updates for my Hue's though

sour shadow
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Nope

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They don't release every firmware, but they do release many

junior meteor
simple sentinel
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well that's pretty sexy, isn't it

subtle portal
#

Hi all. Is anybody having any problems with Zigbee2Tasmota and HA auto-discovery? I have tried many options and even tried rebuilding Sonoff-ZBBridge with USE_HOME_ASSISTANT options but am only seeing Z2T announce it’s own status to HA and not the sensor. Sensor is Sonoff Door sensor and is showing in Tasmota GUI fine. Any advice or discussion appreciated! Thanks.

subtle portal
violet dagger
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HA AD is not supported for zigbee devices

subtle portal
golden vessel
sour shadow
paper steeple
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hello.
i have a minor annoyance and i am trying to find out WHY it is happening.
i have different lightbulbs (gledopto, LIDL livarno) zigbee->tasmotized zbbridge->ZHA and after some inquiries in other channel, i'm trying my luck here as it seems to be the common denominator:

  • i take any of the bulbs and set them to RGB 255.255.255
  • then i turn them off and on. through physical power switch or automations (happened back when i used HA for automations and still happens in NodeRed.
  • i do NOT pass RGB values when calling service. lights. on
    and suddenly the RGB value is 255.254.254
    why?
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@sour shadow
i think i figured it out

sour shadow
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Oh?

paper steeple
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havent tested yet with the gledopto bulbs, but the LIDL bulbs have a little "problem" which everyone that has them knows:
you can't just go back from a RGB color (like blue) back to white by setting RGB values to 255.255.255
what you have to do is set the color_temp to 153

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and what you CAN do (but i wasn't doing) is at the same time

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set brightness to 255

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and mine defaulted to 254

lilac wharf
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All 255 for RGB would be a gross white anyway

sour shadow
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Kinda makes sense, they probably don't really support 8 bit colour anyway

paper steeple
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difference between bright 255 and 254 is barely noticeable to the eye. at least for me. it was just screwing some of my scripts that were checking the current bulb RGB values

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most of my home bulbs are set to 20% brightness but here in my office and in the entry corridor i do want 100%

lilac wharf
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I'd be shocked if you could notice the difference in the first place anyway lol

paper steeple
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like i said, it was a minor annoyance as it was messing with some of my automations ... now that i know the cause, i can improve my automations

lilac wharf
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Yeah, makes sense

paper steeple
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and i just learned that brightness:0 turns the lightbulb totally off xD

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if even you use call service light ON + brightness: 0 ... turns it off 😄

lilac wharf
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Yeah

paper steeple
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and brightness_pct: 100 is NOT brightness: 255 ... it's 254

lilac wharf
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That's documented. It's useful for automations where you turn the light on or off with a template

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That brightness thing is also documented 😛

violet dagger
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zigbee is a range of 0-254

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that's 255

paper steeple
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i do read docu... but there's so much and sometimes i don't know what i am even reading or i am not reading the proper one...
it's easy for me to miss such stuff

lilac wharf
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Oh nvm, I misread what you said for brightness

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SHAME

violet dagger
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it is documented in ZCL cluster library

paper steeple
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oh good to know blackadder ... i'll switch everything that i have at 255 to 254... that should probably solve a lot of future problems

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not that my eye would notice any difference anyways

paper steeple
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i have a new question ;)
i use ZHA. is there a way to turn off "routing" in a light bulb?
i have a few bulbs that i only have in HA to change their RGB, but i power them off with a physicall electric switch.
so i figured: that's probably not good for the zigbee mesh when routers drop off the network every few hours. maybe i could remove the routing option?

tropic depot
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Nope

paper steeple
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allright

junior meteor
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Which bulbs are the ones that have no routing as a "feature"? I forgot their name already :P

subtle portal
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I'll also try the home-assistant-remote technique thanks @sour shadow

golden vessel
mellow geode
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This. But I'd recommend Tinkerer's solution

lilac wharf
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@junior meteor Sengled

junior meteor
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Ah yes!

lilac wharf
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I can understand part of their reason (people sometimes turning lights off at the switch)

red walrus
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I'm fixing that

lilac wharf
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However...they claim having too many routers can "clog your network"

red walrus
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I'm hardwiring the most common switches

lilac wharf
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The fact that our Smart LED bulbs are not repeaters also ensures that your ZigBee Network doesn't become overcrowded, which would delay any user controls.

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Guess my Philips Hue network is destined to fail

junior meteor
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Yeah, you don't understand, it can happen that one command just circles endlessly between the routers and never reaches the light that should be toggled 😜

lilac wharf
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Like a Zigbee rube goldberg machine

austere patio
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Looks like IKEA broke all of their OTA files again

lilac wharf
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Although the Silicon Labs "Zigbee fundamentals" doc says

For example, in a very dense network, it is not always advantageous for all line powered nodes to be routers due to possible interfer-
ence issues which may occur when a child node tries to find a parent node to communicate with. It is important to try to create a bal-
anced network where all nodes have redundant paths, but without too many routers in close proximity to create interference.

junior meteor
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That's a possibility where they took that information from - just added their own spin into this

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But I mean I can imagine that it would mean like 20 routers in a very small space

lilac wharf
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Interesting read

austere patio
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It would be neat if you could configure this within routers via some cluster attribute

lilac wharf
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Yes, I would love the ability to disable routing capabilities for certain devices

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Only for those that I don't trust like the consciot bulbs lol

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Although those are Zigbee 3.0 certified...

austere patio
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To some extent you can with source routing, but that would only apply to packets being sent by the coordinator (I wonder if the reply follows the same path?)

lilac wharf
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Interesting

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Highly recommend that document above btw, it was pretty fun to read

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I was familiar with a lot of it already but still a nice refresh and I learned some new stuff

austere patio
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Are they talking about children performing an active network scan and two physically close routers interfering with one another when sending out their beacons, causing the child to pick a bad parent?

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Maybe Xiaomi was onto something when they made their sensors connect to the first device they find instead of relying on LQI

lilac wharf
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Ah yes, that lovely "feature"

junior meteor
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No worries @molten linden , saw it and thanks for reconfirming haha

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I mean honestly, it's pretty interesting that lamps can be end devices too

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Technically it makes sense that it's possible, it just didn't cross my mind

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Which actually wonders me, do the Hue Go lamps register themself as end device?

lilac wharf
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That's a good question. Maybe only if paired when powered by AC

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I would think not though

molten linden
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the hue go lamp acts as a router...

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its kind of annoying

lilac wharf
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Oof

junior meteor
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Huh, very interesting...

molten linden
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its why mine sits dead in a cabinet.

lilac wharf
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So battery life is probably terrible then lol

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Wonder if the hue bridge handles it differently

molten linden
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possibly. I noticed when I had it on, it was a whole bunch of end devices were grabbing on to it.

tacit steppe
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I've been posting this in #templates-archived but this is a zigbee specific question. How can you target the subtype (turn_on) of a trigger in an if/else in action?

molten linden
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I didn't like that given that - it tends to move around even when on mains. and if off mains power......

junior meteor
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Yeah, battery life is like 3-4 hours approx

tacit steppe
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{% if subtype == turn_on %} << i'm trying to accomplish something like that

sour shadow
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If that's an attribute, yes

tacit steppe
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right, they are assisting with the template and I've gotten it written, but is subtype something that is, I dont know how to say it, transmitted by a zigbee switch?

sour shadow
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It might be an event thing rather than a state thing 🤷

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Really depends on where that comes from

tacit steppe
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lightify/osram switch (though I'm sure you werent actually asking for the specific device haha)

sour shadow
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Well, no 😉

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It depends on the context of the question

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subtype could be from an event, or from an attribute

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Knowing that shapes the template

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Still not seeing what that has to do with this channel though

tacit steppe
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I would suspect an event, it has a type of remote_button_short_press

sour shadow
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Could be a device trigger 😉

tacit steppe
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just to clarify, and this is not me being sassy, while this has to do with a template the question is specific to a zigbee device, so in the scenario where I'm looking to understand what is sent by actions on a zigbee device (ie this sensor) is that not a suitable conversation to have here?

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(I'm honestly just fairly new to posting and want to make sure i'm not polluting channels)

sour shadow
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Well, the problem is ... it depends on the context of that subtype

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If you don't know where the original post is getting that from.... it's hard to help you help them

tacit steppe
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alrighty, i'll try to dig deeper. thank you!

tacit steppe
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in Developer Tools > Events, I should be able to Start Listening to zha_event and expect to see events coming from button presses on a zigbee switch right?

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zha_event > Start Listening. Push botton on switch and it should show something correct?

lilac wharf
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If you're using ZHA, yes

tacit steppe
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I am, its one of the devices in that integration

mellow geode
# lilac wharf So battery life is probably terrible then lol

Yes. Most of my Hue Go lights are stationary and plugged in. However, recently one old halogen R7s light (finally) died and since I didn't have any LED replacements on hand, I put one of my Hue Go lights there (staircase). I paired it with a Konke motion sensor (which does have a very long blind time) and I thought it would be fine for the next couple of days since it would only need to turn on for about one minute once or twice every couple of hours.

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However, since it only ran on battery there, it only lasts a couple of hours. At least it's acting as a good router... until the battery dies and everything else for a couple of hours.

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I'm not sure if it would make any difference to pair it when it's on battery already. (Paired mine whilst having it plugged in)

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(At least the radios/antenna seems to be one of the best devices I have)

mellow geode
quasi beacon
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hi guys, no luck setting up the ikea buttons with ZHA 😦

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What was the link

austere patio
foggy gyro
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So I have a Phillips Hue "Puck" that is a zigbee bridge right?

subtle portal
#

Thanks to the excellent advice on here I now have most of my ZigBee devices up and running but am having trouble with a 4-button wireless scene switch from Amazon (model ESW-0ZAA-EU). Blakadder list has it listed as supported in the 'remote' category and ZHA is detecting it as 4 switches and a power sensor (battery presumably), but no events are observed in Dev Tools when I push any of the 4 buttons. The ZHA Visualisation shows the scene switch on the map but not connected to any other devices. Any ideas please?

dry fossil
raven chasm
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Hey guys I have got this message in my logs Logger: homeassistant.components.zha Source: helpers/config_validation.py:749 Integration: Zigbee Home Automation (documentation, issues) First occurred: 12:10:31 PM (1 occurrences) Last logged: 12:10:31 PM The 'usb_path' option is deprecated, please remove it from your configuration this is my entry in config.yamlzha: usb_path: /dev/ttyUSB1 database_path: /config/zigbee.db Do I just remove the 'usb_path' option? Will that possibly cause an issue to my integration?

lilac wharf
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  1. yes
  2. no
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that path was already imported to the UI config entry

raven chasm
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thanks

foggy gyro
obsidian sandalBOT
dry fossil
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Nope. They're in the topc 😉

austere patio
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Left a few IKEA dimmers in a bag for a few months and they have drained their batteries completely flat. 0.3V 😦

violet dew
foggy gyro
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How do I determine which Zigbee this hub is?

dry fossil
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If it's Philips, it's none of them.

lilac wharf
dry fossil
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Proprietary = 🤢

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You use it with your lights, right?

foggy gyro
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I'm just trying to use my horded junk

lilac wharf
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yeah

dry fossil
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Would it handle everything?

lilac wharf
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no? but it's not designed to

dry fossil
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But a zzh! or similar can...

foggy gyro
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so this bridge will not allow me to use remotes?

dry fossil
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I don't follow. What would mean you can throw away remotes? Remotes are useful.

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You'd just have a different hub.

foggy gyro
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I want to purchase a bunch of remotes and use them with HA

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*cheap remotes

lilac wharf
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i like having the dedicated hardware for my lights so that my lighting isn't affected if my server is down. i know about remote binding but i have rules on the hue bridge

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and then ZZH for all my buttons, sensors, plugs etc.

dry fossil
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If you get something like the zzh! and use Z2M, you can have all your remotes, lights, switches, etc on the same hub, @foggy gyro

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Of course, there are other options for both the stick and the integration... which is why you need to read the topic.

foggy gyro
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Ok so the "puck" I have cannot do that?

lilac wharf
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read through the docs for each zigbee integration and see which ones interests you most, and then pick a compatible zigbee coordinator from there

dry fossil
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Most people prefer to have a single Zigbee mesh.

foggy gyro
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I only have this thing cause someone a few years ago bought it for me thinking it was an Echo lol

lilac wharf
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lmao wtf

foggy gyro
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Grandparents are sweet

dry fossil
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Grandparents and technology... 🤣

foggy gyro
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in their defense the box art does have a picture of the Alexa symbol and showcases someone talking to their lights

violet dew
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I spent the whole day moving my hue lights from hue bridge to ZHA, using cc2531 on a rpi4 with ssd

austere patio
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That may be a downgrade in terms of performance

violet dew
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after I got to 50 devices on my zha, the rpi started behaving weird, had to reboot a few times and it would never fully work

foggy gyro
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So since I will be buying a hub do I want Z-wave or zigbee?

lilac wharf
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Yes

violet dew
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I think I managed to fix it by connecting external power to my ssd

lilac wharf
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Up to you. Z-wave tends to be more expensive but everything should just work. Zigbee is cheaper but the coordinator matters a lot more and some devices don't always play nice

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I have both but prefer Zigbee

violet dew
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could it be that cc2531 needs more power the more devices you add to id?

foggy gyro
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maybe my use case matters

lilac wharf
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30+ Zigbee devices, 3 Z-Wave

austere patio
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CC2531 draws like 30-40mA

lilac wharf
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The cc2531 just isn't great in general

austere patio
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It's well within the 500mA budget of any USB2 port

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If you aren't using Zigbee light groups, you are probably running into the concurrency limit of the CC2531

lilac wharf
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Zigbee also has higher bandwidth

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I've heard people say Z-Wave can be slow with things like lights not turning on at the same time

violet dew
foggy gyro
#

I have a plethora of wifi power sockets and etekcity RF plugs. I can control my RF plugs using a Broadlink ir/rf blaster and their remotes, works great.

I want to buy a few different remotes and program them to over take the limited 5 buttons on the etekcity remotes as well as add functionality for those aforementioned wifi plugs

gusty terrace
molten linden
# subtle portal Thanks to the excellent advice on here I now have most of my ZigBee devices up a...

it is very possible this device has yet another manufacturer value so the quirk for the TS0044 is not matching. It has to match both Manufacturer and Model and endpoints. You can check by going to the device page for the remote and seeing if the quirk is applied like this: https://imgur.com/a/6NYZfB8 if matched your's would say something like ts0044... if not open an issue at zigpy/zha-device-handlers and add the info from the Zigbee Device Signature option from that same page.

austere patio
molten linden
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at least for the remotes they appear to be using _TZ3000_+ random 8

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It probably has something to do with the way tuya works with the actual manufacturers.. they may each get their own code when they create something with the tuya sdk for the modules they buy from tuya.

final pivot
fading moth
#

How happy are people here with their zigbee bulbs?
I don't want my bulbs to rely on internet so I am switching away from Tuya and looking at zigbee as an alternative to wifi bulbs

violet dagger
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i'm very unhappy with mine

lilac wharf
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I like my Zigbee bulbs. All Hue. Could possibly flash ESPHome/tasmota on those tuya ones though

sour shadow
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Don't buy Osram 😉

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I need to pick up some Ikea ones at some point

lilac wharf
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Been meaning to try some of those out. The hardware PWM on the hues has spoiled me though

violet dagger
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after having tasmota on bulbs the level of zigbee control is a bit meh 😄

sour shadow
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My only benchmark so far is Oram, which is a great bulb, and a great 💩 for Zigbee

lilac wharf
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Heh

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Crazy smooth long transitions with Hue bulbs

violet dagger
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yeah hardware pwm is the shit

final pivot
fading moth
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Thanks guys for your input!

fading moth
radiant pawn
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hi! is this the right channel to ask a (newbie) question on ZHA?

final pivot
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How do you plan to interact with them

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and how many will you need longterm you think

dry fossil
fading moth
#

I have zigbe2mwtt set up and bunch of automations that talk to these bulbs through it

radiant pawn
#

I am pretty new to the whole home assistant scene and have a bunch of Hue products (plugs, motion sensors, remote) and some smartthings products (buttons, sensors etc). I picked up a conbeeII and started adding a few of these devices to play with in deconz and in ZHA. I liked the native integration of ZHA so picked that over deconz. The trouble is that i am having difficulty finding documentation of how to do an automation with ZHA groups. I want to trigger two hue smart plug hooked up lamps to come on together when a smartthings button is pressed

fading moth
#

Speaking of which, I am looking into how to make the dimming smoother and more responsive. The problem right now is the latency and the fact that Home Assistant sends lots of commands for each level change. Whereas I am thinking if it would be possible to send a command to the bulb "start increasing/decreassing brightness at certain speed" / "stop decreasing/increasing brightness"

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So that the bulb does transition, rather than home assistant sending each level change

sour shadow
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Transitions are largely controlled by the light itself. HA sends the go to this over X seconds and that's it

final pivot
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the issue with non smooth bulbs is proberly cheap bulbs, in that case don't buy cheap zigbee bulbs either

fading moth
final pivot
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Phillips hue ambient are pricey but you can tell by the weight that there not just a hue price tag on it

dry fossil
radiant pawn
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all my zibee devices show up fine and i can toggle them on/off and even created an automation to toggle them independently. Its just that i want to do it in a group

final pivot
fading moth
radiant pawn
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i created a group, got a group id and went into the automation for the smartthings automation page and the drop down only has devices, services etc

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how do i select that group that i created?

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this is a zha group btw since i read thats better than a HA light group

sour shadow
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But you want the light. services

fading moth
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and get very hot

sour shadow
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(assuming the zigbee group of the lights shows as a light. entity, never touched zha groups)

final pivot
radiant pawn
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not sure what you mean by shows up as a light. entity

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it doesnt show up as an entity at all

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i get a groupid though

dry fossil
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smartthings automation page
🤔

sour shadow
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At least two entities must be added to a group before the group entity is created.
Suggests that an entity should show in devtools -> States

fading moth
lilac wharf
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Nothing to worry about with future proofing once the bulb is flashed with Tasmota/ESPHome

violet dagger
lilac wharf
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The exploit just makes it easy to flash with custom firmware, it has no effect once it's actually flashed

fading moth
lilac wharf
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Serial flash if they're ESP based 😄

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That can be a pain though depending on the hardware

dry fossil
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So your concern is whether they can be flashed, not the security vulnerability...

fading moth
dry fossil
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You're not being forced.

fading moth
obsidian sandalBOT
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Generally, don't tag people to ask for help - it comes across as bad manners, you’re demanding somebody answers you. It’s different if you’re thanking somebody, obviously. If you do tag somebody keep it polite and respectful. Remember that everybody is a volunteer, and nobody has to help you, and people may block you.

Similarly, please don’t DM (direct message) people asking for help. It also comes across as demanding, and means that others can’t learn from what you do.

Finally, please keep tagging people in replies to a minimum. That too can become annoying very quickly and should be used only when it's necessary (such as if it's been a long time, or there's multiple conversations going on).

Command '.tagging' was invoked by: mono
sour shadow
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Good news... Zigbee

lilac wharf
final pivot
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Also calling a device ''expensive'' comparisment to another device that is cheaper yet you don't want to use because it's cheap for a reason happens alot.

lilac wharf
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Heh, true. buy nice or buy it twice

foggy gyro
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but I like buying twice /s

simple sentinel
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Buying twice means you get incremental upgrades, every time something fails

fading moth
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I would actually pay more for quality, But Philips Hue is just too expensive

lilac wharf
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Gotta wait for sales

fading moth
final pivot
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I have seen often 2 ambient for £24, so £12 for a bulb is not ''expensive;;

fading moth
sour shadow
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Z-Wave stuff generally kicks off above £30, for anything

fading moth
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I'd pay 25 GBP, no problem

final pivot
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sure, would not reccomend hue colour 😄

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But then again I don't see any use for a coloured bulb

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I have colour in light strips not bulbs

sour shadow
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I'd prefer colour temperature over RGB, but RGB-CCT is nice - best of both worlds

foggy gyro
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How is this thing?
SONOFF ZBBridge

sour shadow
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It's a thing, it works

lilac wharf
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I like things

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Especially when they work

sour shadow
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Different integrations may support it, or not

foggy gyro
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For my uses am I best getting a PI and a USB zigbee dongle?

austere patio
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Serial over wifi isn't the best combination