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red walrus
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but you need their hub or a specifically flashed Zigbee USB stick

lilac wharf
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Oh you're talking about the coordinator

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Very rarely do you actually need the manufacturer hub. I only know of one zigbee product that's actually locked to the OEM hub

red walrus
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all of the new tuya based Zigbee devices need their hub or a specifically flashed USB stick

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as far as I know won't work OOTB with the Nortek Combo

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based on what I've read watched

tropic depot
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We have several working

red walrus
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oh cool

tropic depot
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They just require quirks to handle how tuya butchers ZCL

red walrus
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IU watched a DrZzz's video

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he got them working with HA and a ITEAL flashed Zigbee stick

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let me find the link

lilac wharf
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Are these devices zigbee 3.0?

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If so, then WTF Tuya; if not, then not surprising I guess

junior meteor
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Hmm, aren't the temperature/humidity with display ones from Tuya too?

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Not sure if they're Zigbee 3.0 now though 🤔

red walrus
quasi beacon
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I'm trying to connect my remotes to HUSBZB-1 using ZHA, can you walk me trough your setup? I clicked the pair button on the remote and hit search on ZHA and nothing happens. Any ideas?

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Ikea remotes

red walrus
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quote from the video:

"Sonoff is selling a $4 Zigbee dongle that works great with Zigbee Home Automation (ZHA) Integration for Home Assistant. I was able to successfully pair Sonoff and Aqara and Zemismart (Tuya) devices with this dongle and ZHA. The devices appear in Home Assistant without any issues. "

obsidian sandalBOT
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The CC2531 and CC2530 sticks are cheap for a reason. They're fine for testing, but do yourself a favour and buy something better.

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lilac wharf
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fastest draw in the west

violet dagger
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works decent as a starter item

sour shadow
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It does

violet dagger
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great is a bit overselling it 😄

sour shadow
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But, if you can afford anything else you may as well save yourself pain

lilac wharf
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Decent as routers though right?

sour shadow
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They are, particularly when given an antenna

junior meteor
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Yeah, if you want to go serious with your Zigbee meshing then jump right to something better than those 4$ sticks

red walrus
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I have a Tuya/Smartlife PIR and Door sensor which are both Wifi that I cannot incorporate into HA

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I have the switch incorporated using localtuya

sour shadow
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Well, this is the channel for Zigbee 😉

red walrus
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I can't take them back.. I know Tink LOL I was telling a story

dry fossil
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Cool story.

quasi beacon
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@sour shadow I'm trying to connect my ikea remotes to HUSBZB-1 using ZHA, can you walk me trough your setup? I clicked the pair button on the remote and hit search on ZHA and nothing happens.

sour shadow
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Well, no

red walrus
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So... I was going to use them in a bathroom for which I don't care if it needs cloud

sour shadow
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I can point you at the docs, but that's it

red walrus
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but I need a temp sensor.. so i can turn off the bathroom fan, so IF I got Zigbee I can put it in HA, and still control the switches

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and leave the PIR and door sensor in the tuya app

sour shadow
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Yes

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Zigbee != WiFi

junior meteor
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So you're thinking of buying new Zigbee devices in this case, right?

red walrus
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Bear with me Tink.. I want a temp sensor I don't need to screw with flashing or get another damn stick for

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yes Time

sour shadow
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Then yes

red walrus
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IDC if the bathroom can't all be incorporated into HA

sour shadow
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See the pinned messages for known working hardware

red walrus
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but I need at least 1 device to talk to the switch

lilac wharf
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Cloud turds 🤢

red walrus
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ok Tink

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I agree, this would be the ONLY room that needs cloud

dry fossil
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🤔

red walrus
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but I can't take the stuff back.. the wife destroyed the boxes

dry fossil
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🤷‍♂️

sour shadow
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I'm still trying to work out what your actual question is here

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Or if there's a point coming

dry fossil
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This is all a little off-topic.

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🤏

red walrus
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Temp sensor, uses Zigbee needs no flashing or special USB srticl

junior meteor
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If you're not going for Conbee then a tiny bit of flashing is required for the coordinator stick. But Zigbee devices itself you shouldn't have to flash

sour shadow
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Then that's been answered

lilac wharf
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Aqara weather sensor I mentioned earlier

obsidian sandalBOT
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@red walrus See the pinned messages

Command '.pinned' was invoked by: Tinkerer
red walrus
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ok I'll check that out..

dry fossil
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So there was no point to the story? I was waiting for it to get interesting.

junior meteor
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And yeah, all the resources for what coordinators exist and the cool zigbee list are in the pins

red walrus
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I'm a little long winded

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sorry

sour shadow
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If you get to the point, we can help you

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If you take an hour, folks will tune out 😉

red walrus
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LOL

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any idea on how often it checks temp?

dry fossil
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As often as it wants to.

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They report something like every 20 minutes or whenever there's a large temp change, whichever comes sooner.

red walrus
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my samsung PIR Temp combo checks temp every 5 or so minutes

lilac wharf
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It sends an update after a certain threshold is crossed (0.5 F maybe?) or at a fixed interval

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Similar with humidity IIRC

dry fossil
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Checking every 5 minutes is wasteful and will drain your battery.

red walrus
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ok so a decent enough spike will trigger it to send an update to HA

dry fossil
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No-one needs 5 minute granularity for temperature.

red walrus
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It's hardcoded into the thing

dry fossil
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And if they do, they shouldn't be using battery-powered sensors.

red walrus
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i looked at the temp sensor graph it literally sends an update every 5 minutes

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I have one in my master bath

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i have a NR sequence to turn a fan on if the temp is greater than 72 degrees

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and off if it is less than

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took 10 minutes to turn the fan off

dry fossil
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Another story?

red walrus
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don't you like stories 😛

junior meteor
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No stories in a chat room allowed. But feel free to argument why your zigbee choice is better than all the other ones

red walrus
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I wasn't arguing, if anything I was complaining..

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hence why asking for a recommendation

junior meteor
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Bad idea, don't ask for recommendation here

red walrus
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fair enough

austere patio
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@red walrus to answer your original question, you need to initially flash most CC2531 sticks with extra hardware and a microcontroller because they don't come with firmware. The ITEAD CC2531 stick already comes with firmware and doesn't require flashing, but you can upgrade it (if you want) by just pushing a button after plugging it and running a command. Like an Arduino. Most other coordinator sticks behave the same way.

quaint belfry
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i have so much trouble adding new devices with my zigbee2mqtt stick

golden vessel
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@red walrus , TimeWalker is kidding, his anger is not directed to you! 😄

quaint belfry
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what do you prefer guys

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for zigbee2mqtt?

austere patio
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Zigbee2MQTT supports like three sticks

red walrus
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I come here because you guys know this better than I do..

obsidian sandalBOT
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See the pinned messages

Command '.pinned' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
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The answer for Z2M is in there 😉

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(same for ZHA)

quaint belfry
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do you like zha?

sour shadow
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Me, no

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I like Z2M

quaint belfry
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i have like 4 devices ant cant add anymore

sour shadow
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The CC2531 will often get into a problem state.

golden vessel
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I like ZHA (I've used Z2M and Deconz)

quaint belfry
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z2m is missing entities while interviewing the device

junior meteor
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I like ZHA but that's not allowed to like here afaik

sour shadow
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If you're using that, stop Z2M, pull the stick, wait 30 seconds, put it back in, start Z2M up, pray

paper steeple
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hey guys.
i have a couple zigbee bulbs that when physically turned off with the old analog lightswitch do NOT go "unavailable" in ZHA/HA ... i have waited 2h and they still show as on, even tho i can't interact with them.
is there a way to fix this so it updates ZHA/HA quicker?

quaint belfry
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@sour shadow what stick would you recomand?

obsidian sandalBOT
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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are support. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah! and Slaesh's sticks being recommended. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

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sour shadow
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☝️

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(as also found in the pinned messages)

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I have CC2531, and both the recommended ones

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It's night and day...

red walrus
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does anyone run multiple Zigbee Coordinators?

sour shadow
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✋

junior meteor
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The gist I'd say is anything that isn't CC2531 is already a good choice

red walrus
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if so why?

quaint belfry
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it can not be done @red walrus

sour shadow
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Because I can

quaint belfry
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yeah for 2 diffenrt zigbee networks you can

sour shadow
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I have a new mesh, and an old mesh, and never the two shall meet

quaint belfry
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on 2 different home assistant

red walrus
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fair enough

sour shadow
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Eventually I'll have a third

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Then I'll have a test mesh

red walrus
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do you run different integrations on them?

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or the same on both

quaint belfry
sour shadow
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Z2M for all

golden vessel
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@red walrus unless you have a very good reason to split meshes (incompatible devices or two sets of devices that are very far apart), don't do it, since you'll be decreasing coverage most likely

sour shadow
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Pffft, if you do it right and understanding how meshes work, it's fine

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If you have no clue about Zigbee, yeah, don't do that 😉

red walrus
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i have my Nortek stick running my lights right now and it's working great

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all my lights are wifi or Zigbee

golden vessel
austere patio
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If you already have a stick, why not just add the sensor to its network?

sour shadow
red walrus
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my understanding was due to the bastardization of the ZHA implementation in those devices it would be problematic to run on a Nortek

sour shadow
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The software matters more than the stick

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You run zha, then it's the zha bit that matters for the devices, not the Nortek stick

austere patio
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If it's a sensor and you don't have any really incompatible bulbs you'll be fine

golden vessel
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and you'll be more dependent on individual devices to keep the mesh. if you remove one device that is crucial in on of the meshes, it will fail. if you have all devices in a single mesh, there are more alternative routes.
ofc this all depends on the number and density of devices

sour shadow
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Well, if you've got a load of Xiaomi devices, you're scuppered anyway if a router fails since they won't reconnect

junior meteor
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I just keep one mesh so I can permanently get my enjoyment out of the mesh diagram with all the connected lines 😆

golden vessel
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Sometimes, they do actually reconnect 😛 At least the Aqara ones

sour shadow
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The new Zigbee 3.0 devices will

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The older ones... universal experience is snowball's chance in hell

red walrus
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I've ordered the recommended temp sensor

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I guess I;ll figure it out when it gets here tomorrow

golden vessel
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anyway, why have two meshes if you don't need to?

sour shadow
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Many reasons, including experimentation, being able to (eventually) separate my well behaved Zigbee 3.0 devices from my 1.2 devices until I phase them out, and more

golden vessel
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If I move my well behaved ZB 3.0 devices to another network, my badly behaved ZB 1.2 sensors will not work well 😄

sour shadow
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I have a hope that eventually I'll ditch all the 1.2 devices and only have 3.0

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But probably not this side of the robot uprising

junior meteor
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Yeah, I'm still waiting forever for the Aqara Z3.0 versions

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Aaaany day now... 💀

fleet lodge
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I have call with AQARA Business Development rep in 30 minutes. Will update on T1 status.

junior meteor
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I'll grab my pitchfork if you don't give an update in 30min

fleet lodge
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Have you seen this? At least now I know they're generally available somewhere.

junior meteor
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Ah, no haven't seen that!

sour shadow
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Internal Server Error
🤦

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And it's alive again 😄

fleet lodge
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Whoops

sour shadow
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You broke it 😛

fleet lodge
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Bizzare

sour shadow
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If they get them out, I'll be buying a stack of the door/window sensors to replace my 1.2 ones

fierce fiber
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So if I have devices not** on the supported list of Z2M, what are the chances I can support them? I'm not sure how open ZigBee stuff usually is.

sour shadow
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Not sure about the motion sensor, unless it's better than the existing ones

fleet lodge
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Are you really having that bad of issues with them?

sour shadow
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Not really they're just not awesome

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I'm biased by my Z-Wave experiences

sour shadow
junior meteor
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It would just be neat to have a fully Z3.0 mesh

sour shadow
fleet lodge
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Ah I see.

fierce fiber
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Yeah, I saw the guide. I know all my devices are ZigBee 3.0, so I'm guessing I should go for a 3.0 controller?

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Looking at this per documentation

sour shadow
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That or Zig-A-Zig-Ah

fierce fiber
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Alright

junior meteor
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And a bit of Osborne effect, like why should I get more of these existing "old" ones when a new version is coming soon™️

sour shadow
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Whichever is cheaper to ship 😉

fierce fiber
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One is Out of Stock and the other is On Break.

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So I guess I need to find something other than Tindie 😛

fleet lodge
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I am putting in a $5K p.o. for their 1.2 Zigbee devices. I got quoted $8 - $10 per device a month ago. I am hoping they are looking to liquidate them even cheaper on this conversation.

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It doesn't bother me one bit that they're 1.2 Zigbee devices. We've got the converters written for them already and they work fine as such. I wish I could mess with PIR firmware but they're never going to give us that anyway.

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Develco was willing to have a firmware conversation for their PIRS but only after lot orders greater than 3,000 device (LOL)

golden vessel
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ahhh, the gold old times where you could get mijia door sensors for 5$ on Gearbest 😦

quaint belfry
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why is my zigbee network/ add-on so bad

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i think i am gonna make a switch to tasmota and wifi

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this is so bad

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2 diffent sticks, 2 different servers

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1 pairs 8 devices, the other 4

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and then i cant add any other device

golden vessel
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z2m?

dry fossil
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No-one has issues with Z2M 🤷‍♂️

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😂

dry fossil
quaint belfry
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i tried everything

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z2m, zha, deconv

golden vessel
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what do you mean? you can only add 8 devices in zha?

quaint belfry
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why is it so bad

golden vessel
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so, are you sure that you don't have only 8 devices that work ? 😄

dry fossil
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It's not bad 🤣

junior meteor
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Didn't you mention that you're using CC2351 sticks?

quaint belfry
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i can try to add one more device, but it wont be discovered

dry fossil
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Using cheap sticks, getting cheap results?

golden vessel
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ah, those sticks suck, and fail a lot.

quaint belfry
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can you give me a link to a propper stick?

fleet lodge
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-.-

sour shadow
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We have

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It's in the pinned messages

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The bot message has been posted many times

quaint belfry
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i will give the stick to my worst anemy

obsidian sandalBOT
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The CC2531 and CC2530 sticks are cheap for a reason. They're fine for testing, but do yourself a favour and buy something better.

Command '~cc253x' was invoked by: Tinkerer
quaint belfry
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ah oke

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sory, ignoring the bot;)

fleet lodge
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People coming in and trashing Zigbee hurts my soul. I love Zigbee so much hahaha

paper steeple
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hey guys.
i have a couple zigbee bulbs that when physically turned off with the old analog lightswitch do NOT go "unavailable" in ZHA/HA ... i have waited 2h and they still show as on, even tho i can't interact with them.
is there a way to fix this so it updates ZHA/HA quicker?

sour shadow
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Zigbee, like Z-Wave, isn't a case of slapping in a bunch of devices, but when you get it right, it rocks

quaint belfry
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it worked in the past

sour shadow
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Sadly most folks don't take the time to learn what they're doing, so buy a few dozen battery devices and wonder why it doesn't work

quaint belfry
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like 4 month ago

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i had 20 devices and then it stopped working

sour shadow
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CC253x sticks are known for doing that

golden vessel
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those sticks are common to fail after some time

quaint belfry
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since then having trouble with devices random

fleet lodge
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How many SQFT is your home?

quaint belfry
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its small

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and have multiple routers as in aqara light bulbs and philips

fleet lodge
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get ZZH stick, never think about network issues ever again.

quaint belfry
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is this a good one?

golden vessel
fleet lodge
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I've got my own gripes with slaesh (customer service) but that stick is fine

sour shadow
quaint belfry
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yeah i did now

sour shadow
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Yeah, I'd buy another ZZH over a Slaesh any day

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Customer service is night and day between them

quaint belfry
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but still a lot of choice

sour shadow
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Not really

  1. Pick integration
  2. Use recommended stick
  3. Profit
fleet lodge
paper steeple
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@golden vessel but it used to work before with zigbee bulbs that were physically turened off.
you think it will work again if i powercycle the zbbridge or restart HA?

quaint belfry
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ah thanks

golden vessel
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also. what zbbridge?

quaint belfry
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thanks all for the help

paper steeple
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sure, but when i toggle them on... and after a few hours off again... will it work like it did before?
what do you mean what zbbridge? there's only one?

golden vessel
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ah, the sonoff thing! 🙂

paper steeple
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just powercycled the (sonoff) zbbridge and restarted HA... bulbs still show ON when they're not

golden vessel
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no need to restart the sonoff I think

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that is weird 🤔

paper steeple
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should i cold restart the HA docker container? i just did a servercontrol->restart

sour shadow
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Well, you can check to see if HA restarted

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If it did, then changing how you restarted it won't matter I suspect

paper steeple
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well... it's borked 😦

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would z2m deal with this better? (i am using zha)

dry fossil
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Uh oh. Don't start that debate again 😄

paper steeple
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?
i am not asking which is better (there are pinne dmessages for that)
i am specifically asking if z2m deals with unavailable/offline detection better than zha

dry fossil
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It was tongue in cheek 🤦‍♂️

paper steeple
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ESL i don't know what you mean

dry fossil
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I don't know if there's a way for any of the integrations to know for sure that something is unavailable. It's normal for some devices to report very infrequently.

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A 'tongue-in-cheek comment' is a comment that's just meant as humour 🙂

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Don't ask me why that idiom exists. It's a stupid phrase 🤣

paper steeple
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and what could be the cause for it to work during weeks (detecting offline after just a few minutes) and suddenly to stop working?

dry fossil
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I'm not sure. I'll let the experts answer.

paper steeple
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thats where z2m is better i guess, because at least you could see the mqtt messages and try to figure it out. zha messages on my tasmota console look like R2D2 talking

austere patio
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Enable ZHA debug logging and you'll probably get more context

last dew
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@sour shadow Got my USB board today..

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My CC2531 boards..

dry fossil
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Uh oh. Another proud owner.

last dew
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LOL

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Oh yea, super proud..

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I only got them until I could get the right boards..

pine ibex
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Newbie Zigbee question: I have a Tuya zigbee switch connected via Sonoff Zigbee Bridge to Home Assistant. It seems to pick it up okay via ZHA. Will the switch only control Zigbee devices or can I use it to control anything on Home Assistant? I was hoping to use it to control some WLED lights. TIA.

last dew
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@dry fossil Would you happen to have a site I could use to understand what I need to do, to get everything setup ?

dry fossil
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There are links in the pins

austere patio
dry fossil
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And please don't tag people for help, just ask your question and see who answers.

pine ibex
fleet lodge
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"Later next year" -- rep from AQARA on T1 devices

sour shadow
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Well, that could be January, could be December 🤔

fleet lodge
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Said they are dropping a bunch of digital health stuff next year too

sour shadow
fleet lodge
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Focus on "controllers" and "smart locks"

austere patio
fleet lodge
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I did get my distribution agreement though 🙂

fiery ivy
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Ok. I am about to lose it.
I am trying to get my newly bought ConBee2 to work in HA. I have tried ZHA and DeConz Add-On without luck. I am able to find it with /dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden... but I just can't get it to find one of my two Lidl Smart Plugs.
I have tried the ConBee2 w DeConz on my Windows 10 and it paired w both.

What am I missing here?

fleet lodge
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She wants forecasts on volume and slide deck but was not opposed to PR moving forward.

pine ibex
fiery ivy
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Ok...

quasi beacon
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Hey guys, i paired 2 ikea remotes with HA now. I just dont know if they are changing states

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i confirmed that the remotes aren't chaning staate

dry fossil
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What about events?

lilac wharf
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Assuming they're talking about ZHA

dry fossil
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Yes, I'm assuming 😄

lilac wharf
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(sounds like it)

quasi beacon
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Is this for me?

dry fossil
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Yes...

quasi beacon
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hold on

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nothing shows up

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actually i see somehiing

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Is this what you guys are asking to see?

dry fossil
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Yes. That looks right... did that happen when you pressed the button?

quasi beacon
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the remote?

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not sure anymore

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i clicked the screen i couple times

austere patio
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You just click once to start and it'll show you events

quasi beacon
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Do i type the zha_event on the top of the screen Event Type or at the center Event to subscribe ?

austere patio
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What you have in your screenshot is correct

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It should update the moment your remote generates another event to say something like Event 1 fired ..., etc.

quasi beacon
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ok

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listen is the center one

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nothing is happening when i click

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the top one is to fire the event

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what could be wrong here?

austere patio
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Go to the ZHA device and try reconfiguring it

quasi beacon
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clicked RECONFIGURE

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this is the info

austere patio
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Yeah, that's the one

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My IKEA dimmers get overwhelmed with requests when you set them up and sometimes don't process all the attribute update requests and bind requests

quasi beacon
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weird

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what now? im still learning how to use zha

austere patio
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Try listening for events again in the section you were in earlier

quasi beacon
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just did

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nothing happened

austere patio
quasi beacon
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nope

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i run the event and nothing pops uo

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paired the 3rd diff remote now and same thing

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they pair

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but don't talk

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damn

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Could this be the problem here?

austere patio
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No, that's very unrelated

quasi beacon
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😦

austere patio
quasi beacon
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one sec

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restarting

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where do i check this log?

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in the log screen

austere patio
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I just look at the home-assistant.log file in the same folder as the configuration.yaml file

quasi beacon
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huge log

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what do i look for?

austere patio
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tail -f home-assistant.log | egrep -i 'zha|zigpy|bellows' should give you the relevant info realtime

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See if anything happens when you click the remote buttons

quasi beacon
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2020-12-22 15:35:34 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.appdb] [0x6762:1:0x0000] Attribute id: 4 value: KE
2020-12-22 15:35:34 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.appdb] [0x6762:1:0x0000] Attribute id: 5 value: TRADFRI open/close remote
2020-12-22 15:35:34 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.appdb] [0x16e3:1:0x0000] Attribute id: 4 value: KE
2020-12-22 15:35:34 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.appdb] [0x16e3:1:0x0000] Attribute id: 5 value: TRADFRI open/close remote
2020-12-22 15:35:34 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.appdb] [0xf466:1:0x0000] Attribute id: 4 value: KE
2020-12-22 15:35:34 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.appdb] [0xf466:1:0x0000] Attribute id: 5 value: TRADFRI open/close remote
2020-12-22 15:35:34 INFO (SyncWorker_4) [homeassistant.loader] Loaded acmeda from homeassistant.components.acmeda
2020-12-22 15:35:34 INFO (SyncWorker_6) [homeassistant.loader] Loaded rfxtrx from homeassistant.components.rfxtrx
2020-12-22 15:35:34 INFO (SyncWorker_1) [homeassistant.loader] Loaded almond from homeassistant.components.almond
2020-12-22 15:35:34 INFO (SyncWorker_5) [homeassistant.loader] Loaded mill from homeassistant.components.mill
2020-12-22 15:35:34 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.quirks.registry] Checking quirks for None None (00:0d:6f:00:15:0e:73:c0)
2020-12-22 15:35:34 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.quirks.registry] Considering <class 'bellows.zigbee.application.EZSPCoordinator'>
2020-12-22 15:35:34 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.quirks.registry] Found custom device replacement for 00:0d:6f:00:15:0e:73:c0: <class 'bellows.zigbee.application.EZSPCoordinator'>
2020-12-22 15:35:34 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.quirks.registry] Checking quirks for

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seems normal i guess

austere patio
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That's just the startup log

tropic depot
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The bot is sleeping 😂

austere patio
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Is this one of the remotes with the 0x0000 group?

quasi beacon
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sorry for the dumb question

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where's the real time log?

austere patio
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If you can't log in to tail the file, you can go to http://your-ha:8123/config/logs to view the full log

quasi beacon
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that's where i am now

austere patio
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Any new messages will be at the very very bottom

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You'll have to refresh after clicking the button

quasi beacon
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2020-12-22 15:35:37 INFO (MainThread) [zigpy.application] Device 0x0000 (00:0d:6f:00:15:0e:73:c0) joined the network

austere patio
quasi beacon
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There's a lot of ZIGPY here

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Thanks for the help man

austere patio
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That's still the startup log. Gotta check if the remote is actually sending stuff so click it a few times and look at the very very bottom of the log

quasi beacon
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nothing showing up at the bottom

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dumb question

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do i need to add zha: and setup anything else on the config yaml

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i just did it trough the integrations tab

austere patio
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No, that should be enough

quasi beacon
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ok

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i just don't know what else to do

sour shadow
quasi beacon
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damn

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Thats what i did already

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zha:
zigpy_config:
network:
channel: 15 # What channel the radio should try to use.
channels: [15, 20, 25] # Channel mask

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This?

austere patio
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Those are the defaults so it won't really change anything

quasi beacon
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fu**

austere patio
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austere patio
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Your remote has its manufacturer set to "KE"

quasi beacon
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this is exactly my setup

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Yes

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KE TRADFRI open/close remote

tropic depot
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If you go to the device in ha on the device page

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Does it list a quirk?

quasi beacon
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Quirk: zhaquirks.ikea.opencloseremote.IkeaTradfriOpenCloseRemote

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Yes

tropic depot
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So if this configured right it should just work

quasi beacon
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damn

tropic depot
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On the device

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Page

quasi beacon
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hehe what now

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😦

tropic depot
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Click reconfigure again and press the buttons on the remote

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To make sure it’s awake

quasi beacon
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Do i click reconfigure and click the remote?

tropic depot
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Then post the logs from that please

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Yes

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Do both

quasi beacon
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done

tropic depot
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Logs?

quasi beacon
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essageSentHandler) received: b'0066f4040101000101400100003cc00000'
2020-12-22 15:54:21 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.zigbee.application] Received messageSentHandler frame with [<EmberOutgoingMessageType.OUTGOING_DIRECT: 0>, 62566, EmberApsFrame(profileId=260, clusterId=1, sourceEndpoint=1, destinationEndpoint=1, options=<EmberApsOption.APS_OPTION_ENABLE_ROUTE_DISCOVERY|APS_OPTION_RETRY: 320>, groupId=0, sequence=60), 192, <EmberStatus.SUCCESS: 0>, b'']
2020-12-22 15:54:21 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base] [0xF466:1:0x0001]: reporting 'battery_percentage_remaining' attr on 'power' cluster: 3600/10800/1: Result: '[[ConfigureReportingResponseRecord(status=0)]]'
2020-12-22 15:54:21 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base] [0xF466:1:0x0001]: finished channel configuration
2020-12-22 15:54:24 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.ezsp.protocol] Application frame 69 (incomingMessageHandler) received: b'000000218000004001000067ffae66f4ffff02c100'
2020-12-22 15:54:24 DEBUG (MainThread) [bellows.zigbee.application] Received incomingMessageHandler frame with [<EmberIncomingMessageType.INCOMING_UNICAST: 0>, EmberApsFrame(profileId=0, clusterId=32801, sourceEndpoint=0, destinationEndpoint=0, options=<EmberApsOption.APS_OPTION_ENABLE_ROUTE_DISCOVERY|APS_OPTION_RETRY: 320>, groupId=0, sequence=103), 255, -82, 0xf466, 255, 255, b'\xc1\x00']

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last lines

golden vessel
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Where is the bot?

tropic depot
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##stop posting the logs in the channel please

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use pastebin and share the links

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quasi beacon
golden vessel
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@quasi beacon copy ALL the log

tropic depot
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And we need the log from where it issues the reconfigure command on down

austere patio
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Seems like all binds worked and attribute reporting was configured properly?

quasi beacon
golden vessel
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@quasi beacon have you tried creating an automation, using a device trigger?

quasi beacon
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no

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will that work even if no events are being sent?

austere patio
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It appears that the person using the HUSBZB-1 couldn't get theirs to work

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And that a newer remote from 2020 did work

quasi beacon
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i got this last year, beginning of 2019

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mid 2019

tropic depot
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is it still not emitting events now?

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The last reconfigure looks completely successful as puddly said

quasi beacon
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nothing

tropic depot
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enable OTA and update the firmware?

austere patio
tropic depot
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😂

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there is a command you can send the device to make it look immediately

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1 sec

quasi beacon
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at this point

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im down for anything

tropic depot
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you have to set OTA up first

quasi beacon
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is there anyway to figure out which FW i have installed?

tropic depot
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All of the docs are in that page

austere patio
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It to me seems like bad firmware 🤷‍♂️ . The weird KE manufacturer name and the device from 2019 not working but from 2020 working seems like it's not a coincidence.

quasi beacon
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ok

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just added

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zha:
zigpy_config:
ota:
ikea_provider: true

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going to reboot

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what next

sour shadow
quasi beacon
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'''

zha:
zigpy_config:
ota:
ikea_provider: true

'''

sour shadow
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  2. You can edit
tropic depot
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It’s all documented in the link I sent you

quasi beacon
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Manually initiating OTA firmware update
??

austere patio
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Devices usually check like once per day. You can either remove the device from ZHA and re-add it (since it'll check a minute or two after joining a new network), or send that cluster command to tell the device directly

quasi beacon
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how do i know it has been updated already?

silent lintel
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uh oh my zig-a-zig-ah! just came in the mail!smile

austere patio
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Check the log file for progress messages. Progress isn't exposed via the UI at the moment.

tropic depot
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There is documentation in that link

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Just read it

austere patio
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Or read off the image version from the Basic cluster

quasi beacon
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following now

golden vessel
tropic depot
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sw_build_id

woeful comet
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Hi everyone, I am actually trying to build a zhaquirk for one of my device, but I am unable to make ZHA see my changes in zhaquirks. It is explain here : https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues/648
Can anyone help me ?
I am running HassOS on a raspberry pi and I followed the steps involving the docker container to access zhaquirks files.

tropic depot
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where are you putting it

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What directory?

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Ok tuya

woeful comet
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Inside the tuya folder in the zhaquirks folder
I mean in /usr/local/lib/pyhton3.8/site-packages/zhaquirks/tuya

tropic depot
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Did you delete the existing py cache folder?

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And did you make sure the file has the correct extension?

woeful comet
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Yes the one in tuya and the one in zhaquirks

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You mean .py ?

tropic depot
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yes put a screenshot on Imgur

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and link it here

woeful comet
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Ok

tropic depot
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wonder if you have to delete a wheel too

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But I’m unsure about that... @molten linden u have been developing like this right?

woeful comet
tropic depot
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@woeful comet did you get a screenshot?

woeful comet
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Yep

molten linden
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you just need to delete the py_cache add the quirk and restart HA.

tropic depot
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Ok and are you sure there are no syntax errors in the .py files?

molten linden
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if the py is bad HA won't start zigbee

woeful comet
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zigbee starts

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but pycache doesn't come back after restart

molten linden
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that's odd.

quasi beacon
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@tropic depot followed the tutorial

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but im getting an error

woeful comet
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i even tried to remove pycache of zigpy, but still the same

quasi beacon
tropic depot
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They go to sleep

woeful comet
quasi beacon
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its working

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seing a update progress on the log

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I should see this, correct?

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2020-12-22 16:17:20 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.zcl] [0x16e3:1:0x0019] OTA image_block handler for 'KE TRADFRI open/close remote': field_control=0, manufacturer_id=4476, image_type=4549, file_version=570492465, file_offset=840, max_data_size=63, request_node_addr=Noneblock_request_delay=None
2020-12-22 16:17:20 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.zcl] [0x16e3:1:0x0019] OTA upgrade progress: 0.5

austere patio
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Yep

quasi beacon
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nice

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finally

tropic depot
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When that finishes hopefully you’ll be sorted out

quasi beacon
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awesome

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ill come back after, thanks for the support guys, you're awesome

austere patio
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Good luck

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If it works, maybe we can update that linked HA issue mentioning that it's a firmware bug

quasi beacon
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upgrade takes forever? lol

austere patio
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Try clicking it very quickly

quasi beacon
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2020-12-22 16:20:38 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.zcl] [0xf466:1:0x0019] OTA upgrade progress: 3.6

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still

sour shadow
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Firmware updates can take a while

austere patio
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It's battery powered so it takes 5-10 minutes even when you force it to stay awake

sour shadow
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An update typically takes +- 10 minutes

quasi beacon
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does it go to 100?

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damn

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it will take longer than 10 mins

woeful comet
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@tropic depot what is this wheel i could delete ?

alpine cipher
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Hello, if I would run Z2M on a RPI separate from Home Assistant. Do I still need to do something in Home Assistant besides having a Mosquitto running ?

lilac wharf
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Nope

tropic depot
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I don’t even know where they are tbh

alpine cipher
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Tediore was your answer to me ?

molten linden
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I've never had to mess with wheels when swapping quirks in and out.

alpine cipher
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what is the minimum requirement from an RPI side (for only running Z2M)

lilac wharf
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USB port and network interface 😄

alpine cipher
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haa

sour shadow
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A Pi Zero will work

alpine cipher
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i meant RPI 3B, 4 ? 2G, 4G, 8G ?

woeful comet
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@molten linden are you also on HassOS ?

lilac wharf
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Oh and storage and RAM

sour shadow
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Pi3 with an industrial SD card would be a good starter choice

lilac wharf
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And a CPU

sour shadow
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Pi4 + SSD is always better, and you could run more there too if you wanted then

alpine cipher
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understood - but i have my HA running on Proxmox

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and i would place the Z2M upstairs somewhere "invisible"

sour shadow
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Then Pi3 + Industrial SD card (or at least a Dashcam grade card) would be fine

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Don't run it on Wifi 😉

alpine cipher
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got it

molten linden
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@woeful comet no, but I'm on HA supervised, but my understanding is it's the same except the underlying OS.

woeful comet
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okay

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On github, Adminiuga just told me "on hass os just get dev access to console and run/modify files in the container directly."

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What does he mean by getting a dev access you think ?

lilac wharf
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Yeah the sonoff Zigbee bridge makes me nervous...zigbee and wifi radio in close proximity, WCGW?

alpine cipher
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i got a 64G sandisk extreme pro - would that work ?

lilac wharf
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Guess not much, I don't hear too many complaints about interference

sour shadow
sour shadow
lilac wharf
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Tru

woeful comet
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Okay thanks @sour shadow !

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I don't think it is different from using the portainer addon, is it ?

gentle flint
delicate cobalt
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Hi.

I have a Sonoff Wireless Switch model number SNZB-01.
It shows up as a eWeLink WB01.
Problem is, it has no actions that i can use in Automations.

lilac wharf
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What Zigbee integration are you using

delicate cobalt
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ZHA

lilac wharf
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Listen to zha_event at developer tools > events

obsidian sandalBOT
delicate cobalt
copper crest
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I am new to HA and did just start to read through the documentation. Right now I´m reading the ZHA part. I did set up ota fw updates as described there (https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/). Got some Ledvance/Osram plugs that should be out of date. How do I check the current FW or if it did update?

lilac wharf
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You can use that in an event trigger @delicate cobalt

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Or see if it can be used in a Device:tm: trigger created in the automation UI

delicate cobalt
lilac wharf
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Firmware updates are possible for some devices but I don't think that would affect this

delicate cobalt
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ok

delicate cobalt
tropic depot
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hey hey the bot is back

urban nova
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What does MAC NO ACK: 233 mean?

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I guess that the connection isn't there really?

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I always have this trouble with OSRAM lights...

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Idk how many hours I spent on re-pairing them

urban nova
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And sometimes I can like toggle the light once and it instantly responds and then somehow it doesn't respond anymore after that

austere patio
quasi beacon
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upgrade is still in processss.... hopefully it will work after that

gentle flint
quasi beacon
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got it

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thanks man

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😉

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building a script for one of this buttons

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close all bali blinds in my home theater, turns on the receiver, projector and turn off the lights

austere patio
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Are you using a CC2531?

urban nova
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No a ZZH

austere patio
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Then you benefit even more

mellow geode
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I've also got some OSRAM Gardenpoles (from their Lightify Series). They were sold to me as LEDVANCE Gardenpoles and I hoped I'd get their "Z3" versions, but apparently they still sell their old crap in new boxes.

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The lights didn't reliably work with a ConBee II

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they did however work well with an Elelabs stick

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and with my ZZH they also have issues now

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(none of these Coordinators are in range of the lights, but there are about 6 routers in range (IKEA and a couple of the older style ZLL hue lights)

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I paired time multiple times, but I also have the 233 issue sometimes

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In some issue on the zigbee2mqtt repo, it was reported that they sometimes only work correctly when paired with the coordinator but I didn't try they

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Also on this note

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My LEDVANCE strips always report LQI 255

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and LEDVANCE included "Improved LQI reporting" for their newer "Z3" devices but obviously didn't update the their firmware for the older devices (neither Z3 or the original Lightify/SMART+ series)

potent carbon
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Did you happen to find something to do the job or did you try out that controller?

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@empty cape yup. Im thinking about giving the qubino a shot

potent carbon
torpid root
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Hello, good people of HASS. Quick question: does anybody know how to see the current or default Zigbee cluster settings on a device? I have a PIR motion sensor and I'm trying to make it less sensitive - but I don't know what the current sensitivity value is or how high the scale goes. If I go into the Cluster Attributes GUI and choose "Get Zigbee Attribute", nothing happens. Shouldn't this fetch and display the current value?

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The device is a lk ZB-MotionSensor-D0003, by the way.

austere patio
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It probably isn't supported

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Look at the device signature

obsidian sandalBOT
torpid root
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Here's the signature

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Not sure how to interpret it though...

austere patio
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If the attribute read doesn't work then the device probably doesn't support the attribute

torpid root
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Gotcha. Damn :/

austere patio
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The dropdown just shows you every possible one

placid juniper
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Evening all, does anyone know if the older SmartThings multipurpose sensors (SmartSense Multi Designed by SmartThings) and moisture detectors (STS-WTR-250) are Zigbee and compatible with HomeAssistant (via Nortek HUSBZB-1) ?

austere patio
placid juniper
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puddly: Appreciate that info. I am using ZHA, haven't been successful in pairing so wanted to check. I'll continue working on them, thanks again!

austere patio
quasi beacon
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none of my remotes updated to the new version, doing it again 😦

austere patio
quasi beacon
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checked the integration and the fw is still the same

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never got the success message on the logs

austere patio
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Did it stop at some point or something?

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If the OTA upgrade doesn't re-start (should say something like update needed: False) then the device updated fine

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You may need to just remove and re-add it to ZHA

quasi beacon
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gonna try it tomorrow

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exhausted, i will ping u tomorrow

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thanks for the help

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also, trying to remove the remotes now and they are still showing up

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on the integrations

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never mind, the just disappeared

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@austere patio removed and added 1 remote back, it's updated.

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but no signs of events in zha_event

austere patio
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Hmm. The device signature should contain the quirk that's in use, maybe that changed with the firmware update

quasi beacon
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i did a reconfigure now, the log says SUCCESS

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but nothing

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This is the QUIRK Quirk: zhaquirks.ikea.opencloseremote.IkeaTradfriOpenCloseRemote

austere patio
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Does it identify itself as IKEA instead of that other weird manufacturer name?

quasi beacon
austere patio
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Very strange

quasi beacon
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😦

austere patio
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It's the latest version but still showing KE instead of IKEA as the manufacturer

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You clicked the red "remove device" button when removing it, right?

quasi beacon
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yes, removed it and added again

austere patio
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🤷‍♂️

quasi beacon
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where did u find the info about the latest fw?

austere patio
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It's in http://fw.ota.homesmart.ikea.net/feed/version_info.json:

{
    "fw_binary_url": "...-onoff-shortcut-control-2.2.010.ota.ota.signed",
    "fw_file_version_LSB": 1585,
    "fw_file_version_MSB": 8705,
    "fw_filesize": 179838,
    "fw_image_type": 4549,
    "fw_manufacturer_id": 4476,
    "fw_type": 2
  }
quasi beacon
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Look at this

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see if this can solve my problem

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talks about binding

austere patio
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This is directly binding the remote to another device

quasi beacon
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=/

austere patio
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The only other thing I can think of is your coordinator not being a part of group 0x0000. Some sticks don't receive group commands when they're not a part of the group, while others receive everything.

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Though the quirk should have added your coordinator to group 0x0000

quasi beacon
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what should we try here?

austere patio
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Not sure. Ideally get a Zigbee sniffer and see if the device is even sending packets when you click it (and what they look like) but that'd require extra hardware

quasi beacon
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fuck

austere patio
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Maybe my local IKEA has some of these old stock buttons still around

quasi beacon
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anyone else here can shine some light?

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@gentle flint can you help?

gentle flint
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Debug log of device joining

quasi beacon
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where do i get that specific logo

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log

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I got a ZHA_EVENT now

obsidian sandalBOT
quasi beacon
quasi beacon
lilac wharf
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You don't need to repost the link that the bot makes

gentle flint
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What ha version?

golden vessel
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Have you tried changing batteries? 😄

hollow cypress
#

Does anyone have a good resource for learning about clusters in ZHA? Working on my zigbee network and a little confused about the clusters section for each device. I have used the ota clsuter to update some devices but that is about it.

Specifically I have 4 Tradfri GU10 bulbs that are all connected to HA via ZHA. They are all in the same light housing so I would like to control them as a single entity but have no clue where to start and don't want to play with the settings that might mess up anything

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I should clarify that I have automations doing similar things now but a single entity to control would be much easier

obsidian sandalBOT
lilac wharf
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Or a Zigbee group

hollow cypress
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The zigbee group functionality is what I am looking for but have not found information on how to do it. Just that it can be done from the ZHA integrations manual on the HA website

austere patio
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Zigbee clusters are a little strangely named and have nothing to do with what you usually think of when you picture a "cluster"

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They are a "cluster" of commands and attributes related to a specific purpose but that's about it

hollow cypress
#

that is kind of what I got from messing around a little. But trying to use the zigbee group function seemed to be tied to the clusters section somehow?

austere patio
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There is a group cluster that you can use to tell devices to add/remove themselves from groups

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But ZHA has a UI for this

hollow cypress
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Thank you @austere patio, this is exactly what I was looking for. I just kept missing the location of that UI element.

woeful comet
alpine cipher
#

If i look at the supported devices for Z2M, it looks like Texas Instruments CC2538 with CC2592 RF Amplifier can handle the most devices (+150). Is this the best buy ? If not, which one would you take and why ? I'm planning to install Z2M separate from HA on a dedicated RPI

sour shadow
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As mentioned in the pinned messages, Zig-A-Zig-Ah! or Slaesh

alpine cipher
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and why ?

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they have 100+ devices vs 150+ with the other one

sour shadow
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Direct

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You can have many more indirect

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Also, that board is the Zigbee 3.0 stack, not the 3.x stack

alpine cipher
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Thank you - it's not totally clear to me

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and for the Zig-A-Zig vs Slaesh

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who would you take first ?

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or no preference ?

sour shadow
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The customer service for the first is way better than the second

alpine cipher
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so that's clear

sour shadow
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I'm sure Sleash will have got their act together by now, but in the early days... not so much

alpine cipher
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it's been an hell of a ride till now

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Alexa - Hue - Smart Thing - Sonoff - ELELABS - ZZH

brazen galleon
#

Hello. I wanted to ask if someone can help me. I just received my odroid n2+ (home assistant bundle) and loaded my snapshot on it. everything is working fine, except my conbee 2 stick is not reconized. It doesn't show up in the hardware. Thanks

sour shadow
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Did you reboot the host after connecting the stick?

brazen galleon
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yes

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short question: does the stick have an led and is supposed to blink? i have something like that in my memory

sour shadow
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I don't know about the conbee sticks

brazen galleon
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is the conbee stick compatible with the odroid n2+?

sour shadow
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I'd expect so, but the deCONZ folks may know more

obsidian sandalBOT
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deCONZ by dresden elektronik is a software that communicates with ConBee/RaspBee Zigbee gateways and exposes Zigbee devices that are connected to the gateway. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

Command '~deconz' was invoked by: Tinkerer
snow gust
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Would this be the correct channel to ask about zigbee grouping in the lovelace interface?

brazen galleon
snow gust
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I've got a rpi with home assistant, conbee II stick and a few ikea lights, all working. After modifying groups and adding lights, the groups in home assistant UI get messed up, a couple are correct but the rest just groups together under "Light"

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Should I just take manual control over the UI?

Resetting the dashboard does not seem to have any effect

sour shadow
snow gust
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Ok, thank you

vital basin
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Hi, sorry was away for a while. Yesterday evening there was a hass os update. All of a sudden seconde is working fine again. Sadly I took now export for entities so I'm going to have to repair and configure everything again 😩

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How about you? Is it sorted with your raspbee @simple sentinel

simple sentinel
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Hey, I still have raspbee on my second pi. The only thing I was going to say was that from hanging around at deconz discord it was looking alot like passing the serial device to the addon container was the main issue. But if stuff works after the update then it's all good :)

final pivot
sour shadow
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See the pinned messages 😉

final pivot
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ZHA closed

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Deconz Closed, zigbee2mqtt open?

sour shadow
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Ish

final pivot
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I see deconz have some high end voluneteers who help out i spose

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Zigbee2mqtt seems the most quick to support from what I see

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you concur?

sour shadow
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Zigbee2MQTT is faster than ZHA (where relevant) is faster than deCONZ

final pivot
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More from a new device standpoint rather then amount of devices

sour shadow
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However, zha may not need anything done

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So, particularly for Zigbee 3.0 devices, it's likely really
zha > Z2M > deCONZ

final pivot
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Ah thats intresting, Deconz are leading blueprints at the moment from what I can see

sour shadow
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If custom support is needed, and you're not running with add-ons, then Z2M will always be fastest

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If no custom support is needed for ZHA then ZHA wins every time

final pivot
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any reason why that is technically the case?

sour shadow
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Because zha assumings everything will work, and uses Quirks when it doesn't

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Everything else works the other way

final pivot
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Everything custom written for z2mqtt wheras it works default by zha.. is that what that means

sour shadow
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Well, close

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ZHA assumes it'll work

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Zigbee2MQTT assumes it won't

final pivot
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So likely to see some devices show up but not work properly

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on zha

sour shadow
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Yup

final pivot
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Thanks intresting to know

paper steeple
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out of curiosity.
is there something like ZHAMAP, but for Z2M?

sour shadow
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Built into the UI since 1.15

frail oracle
brazen galleon
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Hello. doesn the conbee 2 stick work theoretically with the odroid n2+?

dry fossil
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It should work with anything

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But deCONZ 🤢

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Right, @frail oracle

tropic depot
tropic depot
vital basin
final pivot
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someone should do a video on clusters on youtubesss

obsidian sandalBOT
dry fossil
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Oops, wrong one 😄

obsidian sandalBOT
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Videos are great to watch but are usually out of date QUICK.... Best to read the DOCS

Command '.videos' was invoked by: mono
dry fossil
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Videos are wrong almost the moment they're uploaded.

final pivot
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Meh, not everyone can learn by reading, I like watching

violet dagger
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enjoy watching outdated tutorials 😄

final pivot
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Docs are normally not written with lamens terms in mind

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Video's are normally lamened for dummy's

dry fossil
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The docs are really well-written. 🤔

frail oracle
dry fossil
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They have to include certain terminology because otherwise they'd be wrong.

dry fossil
final pivot
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that's where either a lamened version of the docs or video is helpful

dry fossil
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What exactly is the problem with the documentation? Point something out and explain the issue.

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You can't just criticise them without saying what's wrong and what you'd do better.

final pivot
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I first need to udnerstand fully what clusters even are haha... but lets say I have a remote control, how do I get the control to control a bulb when the hub is not contactable

dry fossil
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So the problem isn't the documentation, it's your lack of understanding.

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I'm not criticising you... we all start out knowing nothing.

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But you're trying to learn something that's inherently technical. There isn't always a way to 'dumb it down'.

violet dagger
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i learn best when its put into a rap

final pivot
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where do I learn a-z on using clusters and what they are

violet dagger
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and layed on top of a sick beat

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ZCL cluster specification

final pivot
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and is clusters even something you techinical guys use/care for?

violet dagger
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i don't think its on youtube

dry fossil
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Clusters is something the devs need to know about. Probably something most users never even touch.

final pivot
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Oh okay that answers it for me then 😛

dry fossil
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And this is why you don't need it in layman's terms 😉

violet dagger
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I look up what i need when i need it

dry fossil
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No point trying to know/learn everything.

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As a wise man once said: every time I learn something new, it pushes the old stuff out.

violet dagger
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but the idea of using ZHA, deconz or z2m is that they abstract the clusters into layman terms like "power"

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you could learn it all but it'll likely not come up

junior meteor
nocturne geyser
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Anyone got the silvercrest 3 gang extension smart plug from lidl

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Wondering how good it is with zigbee

violet dagger
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good in what way?

nocturne geyser
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Like as good as sales sp600

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Which has monitoring etc

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Box says compatible with zigbee but limited

violet dagger
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so you're refering to "does it have the features i need?" instead of "good with zigbee"?

nocturne geyser
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Sorry I'm interested in all above

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Is it as reliable as sp600

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Does it have monitoring
And is anyone using it having any issues

junior meteor
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None of the smart plugs from Lidl have power measurement if you meant that one

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But else the three plug strip shows up as three entities in my ZHA instance and they work individually

nocturne geyser
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They're quite new aren't they?

dry fossil
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Yes, released in the last month.

final pivot
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Meh, there only 3 gang

frail oracle
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@nocturne geyser I really like that device

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I have it

junior meteor
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Unfortunately only 3 gang yes, but it's the only power strip with CH plugs for now

dry fossil
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Yeah, choices are limited for multi-gang Zigbee outlets. It's not the perfect device but it's the best in its class.

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Does it work correctly as a router?

junior meteor
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Seem to work perfectly fine for me

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And mesh map looks good to me too, it's connected with other routers and has a few end devices pointed to it

dry fossil
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Nice. I usually avoid Lidl but I might pick one up sometime.

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Unlike the rest of Europe where Lidl is just another supermarket, in the UK it seems to attract a certain type of people. 🤣

junior meteor
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lmao yeah, I hear especially UK people memeing about Lidl there

dry fossil
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Same with Aldi. The 'Great Unwashed' like those stores.

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I know they have decent products at low prices... but they all seem to be built in poor areas here.

junior meteor
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Oof, okay. I visit Aldi from time to time. Here in Switzerland they try to be at the same level as Migros and Coop - the two biggest supermarket chains here

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So you have a bit of a better mix and they try to be in very good positions like in the old town

dry fossil
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Yeah, it's weird that they're only considered 'poor' supermarkets here. It's a strange way for them to market themselves.

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I remember when I was backpacking, I stayed really close to a Lidl and used it for my groceries. I think that was in Granada, Spain. Nice area, great shop, all the customers looked clean and meth-free 😄

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Gonna have to check where my nearest Lidl is. Probably some slum 🤣

junior meteor
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Seeing UK ads with all the shops like Asda, Lidl, Aldi, Tesco, etc. advertising being the cheapest, it seems like on par that they try to be the "cheapest" one... just being the cheapest also attracts some special kind of people

dry fossil
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Ah, there's actually one on a nearby retail park. Convenient.

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Hmm. There's cheap and there's cheap.

junior meteor
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True, true

dry fossil
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Asda and Tesco are just your regular supermarkets. Waitrose and Marks & Spencer are more upmarket. Lidl and Aldi are shit tier 😄

junior meteor
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That's align to my experience in my London language stay haha

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So my experience with the Lidl home stuff is that the power strip and led strip are very compliant. ZHA has no quirks for these and work OOB for me. Others may wary though

dry fossil
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If it works with no quirks on ZHA, Z2M should be easy enough too.

junior meteor
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Yup 👍️

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I also have some glorified button that's advertised as a "door bell" but I'm not getting events correctly by it. Will have to debug that one

dry fossil
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I can't actually find the products on their UK site now. Just a support page that describes how to get started 😦

sour shadow
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They're gone from stores now - standard Lidl

dry fossil
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FFS 😦

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On sale for 2 weeks only?

sour shadow
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I managed to grab a couple of light strips and plugs, but when I went back a few days later both stores were cleaned out

final pivot
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you down south or north mono?

sour shadow
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That's normal though, Lidl do very little "long term" stuff

dry fossil
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That's nuts. I know they're known for rotating their offerings... but they must've realised they were onto a winner with that range, especially at those prices.

sour shadow
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Their deals are normally for a week - two at the most

dry fossil
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North, Creatish. Almost up with the barbarians.

junior meteor
final pivot
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Asda is seen as poor down south

dry fossil
dry fossil
sour shadow
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To be honest, none of the stuff is brilliant - it's all ok, but that's about it

dry fossil
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Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons, Asda = mainstream supermarkets.

final pivot
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I would say on par down here, lidl, aldi and asda, and follow closely by morrisons

lilac wharf
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I used to go to Aldi Aldi time.

dry fossil
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Groan

sour shadow
lilac wharf
final pivot
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Need some 4 gangs and I can then sell of my tuya ones (wifi)

brittle maple
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hello - I have a aqara vibration sensor and wanted to know if it best to use it with the Xiaomi Gateway or to pair it through ZHA or deConz?

sour shadow
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Go direct, no hubs/gateways required

brittle maple
sour shadow
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See the topic for a summary of the differences between deCONZ, ZHA, and Zigbee2MQTT

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Sorry, pinned messages

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It's largely personal preference

brittle maple
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Thanks!

amber gull
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But if you understand software architecture, there is really only one choice

junior meteor
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Yes, Samsung SmartThings Hub

violet dew
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can someone please explain to me what the numbers on the links between nodes in the ZHA Network visualization map mean?

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i guess it has something to do with link quality, right? but i don't get what the second number is for between two nodes that are routers/coordinator

fleet lodge
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Hey ya'll don't know if anyone has already thought through this, but are there bluetooth beacons that communicate via Zigbee?

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An odd requirement, but I am trying to track presence in individual rooms within a facility (think hotels). The only way that I can think of detecting presence in these rooms (without leveraging costly mmWave person counting technology or writing crazy firmware for Zigbee PIR) is with Bluetooth Beacons picking up on smart devices that are not stationary in that room.

austere patio
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What happens if someone disables bluetooth?

fleet lodge
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That would break the system but we would assume that an individual entering room would have bluetooth enabled by default.

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I'll keep looking

austere patio
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If you have full control over the device and it can run applications, installing Bluetooth beacons within the rooms and using the device to periodically scan for them to infer its own location and then notify a central server via WiFi or something seems easier

subtle eagle
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just setup the sonff zigbee hub and moved some ikea bulbs and remotes over to it. i'm chasing a color temperature slider missing issue and enabled zha ota support and not sure i have it right. [homeassistant.components.zha.core.gateway] Couldn't start EZSP = Silicon Labs EmberZNet protocol: Elelabs, HUSBZB-1, Telegesis coordinator

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wondering if the zha ota process does not work with the network zigbee bridge

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hmm.... ping is stable from the hassio pi to the sonoff zbbridge and it's running 9.1.0

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seems to be otherwise working well with ha

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ok, updated to 9.2.0.1

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that fixed the error with couldn't start EZSP so that's progress

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so...... response: EmberStatus.SUCCESS yay?

analog flicker
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I don't have any other zigabee devices.

subtle eagle
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as a side note, those are on sale at itead.cc but it seems like there's a coupon per item so i can't get three different ones on sale pay just one shipping. sigh

austere patio
analog flicker
austere patio
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Yeah, the HUSBZB-1 will work

lilac wharf
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zigabee

analog flicker
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Zigbee works like zwave right? Powered devices work as repeaters, battery powered don’t?

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Currently use a bunch of zwave devices

lilac wharf
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Some powered devices don't act as repeaters though (looking at you Sengled)

woeful sentinel
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M I’m hitting a 21 device limit on my ZZH stick. Should be able to 100+ according to the docs

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the logs aren’t printing anything at all

austere patio
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The hard limit is I believe 50-something

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And that's without a single router on your network

analog flicker
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I have a hue bridge, would that work as a repeater?

austere patio
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It has to be on the same network so no

analog flicker
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I used it with zigbee bulbs before 🧐

austere patio
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It won't extend your Zigbee mesh for the same reason your neighbor's WiFi network doesn't extend your own network's range

abstract goblet
rancid swift
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heya peeps! Does anyone have a good site where I can order zigbee and z-wave devices from in the US?

subtle eagle
rancid swift
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ty alan. I'll have a look. 🙂

subtle eagle
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i have their zigbee hub and loving it with ikea 5 button switches and light bulbs. i've got the rest of their zigbee stuff on order. no idea yet

austere patio
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Itead ships from HK, at least for me

rancid swift
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cool, thanks for the smarthome link

subtle eagle
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oh yeah, i misunderstood. i was thinking "i'm in the US and i've ordered from itead". LOL

rancid swift
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I don't mind shipping from HK. I'm more interested in a reliable supplier

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just figured US based would be more reliable since I'm in the US

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but whatever 😉

austere patio
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Different brands focus on different regions

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Like Aqara and Sonoff stuff only recently started showing up on Amazon in the US.

nocturne geyser
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@frail oracle the 3 gang looks cool might look into it
Really like power monitoring as it turns off when phone/tablet charged

dry fossil
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If that's your use case, you don't need the outlet to do the monitoring. Install the HA app on both devices and use their battery levels instead.

frail oracle
glossy jewel
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switched to zha from deconz, and trying to rename the entities to a more friendly name, but it's all greyed out in the ha gui, am I going to have to dig into some config files? if so, what are the gotchas?

mighty river
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Hi guys, I'm having some trouble here.. I just reinstalled my HA instance with a snapshot and none of my zigbee devices are working... I'm using ZHA.. any ideas?

sullen moon
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Anyone have any recommendations for a really cheap status indicator LED that can be controlled over zigbee and is battery powered? Only really needs to be able to turn on/off as a visible indicator I can slap wherever...

dry fossil
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Soylent Green is people!

sullen moon
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Hmm... Yeah might have to look into DIY route I guess

dry fossil
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I'm not sure whether there are many affordable components for DIY Zigbee either. Other protocols might be a better choice, even if you want to go battery-powered. #diy-archived will have suggestions.

sullen moon
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Might just have a nearby smart bulb change color or something since it's probably cheaper...

dry fossil
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Is this just for a stationary display for notifications?

sullen moon
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yeah, something like that

dry fossil
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Consider something like an ESP with some LEDs hooked up to it. Again, the good people of #diy-archived will have tips.

woeful sentinel
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After many restarts of supervisor, z2m, host, and tons of pushing the pairing button just the “right” amount of time I finally got it

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It may have been interference

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Although it has a really strong signal

gentle flint
gentle flint
mighty river
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Thanks for your tip.. I'll take that into consideration if it ever happens again.. I ended up readding every device 😦

mellow geode
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Is pairing from a specific device somehow broken with zigpy_znp/ZZH?

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It was working just fine with my Elelabs/bellows stick (and now only specifically pairing from the Coordinator works)

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However, I've tried multiple times to pair either a Xioami Aqara sensor (which previously would pair with the Hue light right next to it) and some OSRAM products

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As soon as I pair them using the "global pair" (or specifically via the coordinator), it instantly works

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I do get the Sent 'mgmt_permit_joining_req' to xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx: [<Status.SUCCESS: 0>] thought, but there's never any kind of log output

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Well, looks like I didn't set the zigpy_znp logger to debug. So, let's try and see if nothing actually happens

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Yeah, nothing is happening. Weird

austere patio
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Do you see the "Searching for ZHA Zigbee devices..." page?

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I tried it a few times and once saw just a blank page

mellow geode
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Yeah, I do see it

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It looks like it should be successful, right?

austere patio
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Yeah, Sending request: ZDO.MgmtPermitJoinReq.Req(AddrMode=<AddrMode.NWK: 2>, Dst=0xF007, Duration=60, TCSignificance=0) and Received command: ZDO.MgmtPermitJoinRsp.Callback(Src=0xF007, Status=<Status.SUCCESS: 0>) say it is

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Do you have a second texas instruments stick handy or some other way to sniff traffic?

mellow geode
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Sadly not

austere patio
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Ah, in that case you can just assume it works and the Xiaomi device doesn't seem to want to join the network through that specific router

mellow geode
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through that specific router?

austere patio
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Right, wrong word

mellow geode
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That's weird though, I'll try another device

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The device was connected (transferred with your script (bellows -> zigpy_znp)) to the same "Zigbee 3.0" Hue light

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Today, I just reset the light (thus obviously the sensor fell off)

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I assumed I could just add it through that specific router because that also worked with the Elelabs stick (not sure if this is related though)

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I'll try another device for both the router to join via and another device to join the network

woeful sentinel
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Is it normal for hue lights to abort OTA updates?

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It seems they are now reporting “no new image”

austere patio
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Are you sure the lights are indicating this? The lights should be asking the coordinator for a new image and the coordinator is the one that can reply with "no new image"

woeful sentinel
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The HA UI little red banner said this

austere patio
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Is this Z2M?

woeful sentinel
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Update started, 0.0%, then “aborted” message

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Yes Z2M

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On a ZZH stick

austere patio
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Yeah I dunno how Z2M decides to start OTA updates. You should be getting the "no new image" status before the update even begins.

woeful sentinel
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right. I only get that now. The first time I got the abort. Subsequent times, no new image

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It’s like it WAS updated. Sadly I didn’t compare the firmware versions

austere patio
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Physically reboot the bulb and capture some Z2M debug logs (I think it's DEBUG=* npm start or something similar)

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The bulb will send its current version in its request for a new one

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If it matches what's in the OTA file, then you're running the latest version

mellow geode
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I guess perhaps I should try downgrading "one version"?

austere patio
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I don't think the versions really contain any major differences

mellow geode
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Mhm, okay then

austere patio
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I mean it won't break anything if you do though, just do the NVRAM backup/restore and it'll work

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Will take a bit of time for routes to be rebuilt, since those can't be backed up

mellow geode
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Yeah, I'll try it later (and hope that I don't regret it for trying it later)

austere patio
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I'll try this exact setup out with one of my ZB3 bulbs and a Xiaomi sensor

mellow geode
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Thanks!

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I know that Xiaomi sensors are basically the worst in regards to following spec, but I do wonder why it was working previously (with the Elelabs stick) and why it's also not letting any device join through a router.

mellow geode
# mellow geode Thanks!

Also looks like an IKEA ("older" E14 color bulb) can't join via another IKEA GU10 bulb (also "older" but up-to-date).

glossy jewel
austere patio
mellow geode
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Ah, "nice"

austere patio
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For the time being just permit joins through the coordinator's device

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And then permit them through your desired bulb

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The join status persists beyond you closing the page or navigating away

mellow geode
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Yeah, for 60 seconds, right?

austere patio
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Yeah

mellow geode
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As long as the sensors join via the bulb then that's fine, I guess

austere patio
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You can just keep both open in two tabs and refresh

mellow geode
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(Rather zigpy_znp related or issue in the firmware?)

austere patio
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Device joins and coordinator kicks it off the network

mellow geode
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Ohh, I see

austere patio
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Because the coordinator isn't permitting joins