zigbee-archived

[ivory hound]

it can be a lot of stuff

[alpine cipher]

@ivory hound i have only 1 coordinator in my house

[ivory hound]

@alpine cipher yes let me explain

bluetooth and wifi interfere with zigbee

you know they work all on ~2,4 GHz

[alpine cipher]

but how can this effect that I'm not able to route devices through one of the routers

[ivory hound]

for this reason when you for your network you should choose your zigbee channel to be less crowded

you should not care about that

[dry fossil]

It doesn't, ignore him.

All you need to know is that Zigbee is a self-healing mesh protocol. It'll decide for itself which routes to maintain.

[ivory hound]

devices will join the network how they want and is best for them

[dry fossil]

While you can attempt to influence which routers an end device connects to, the mesh will adapt over time.

[ivory hound]

yep like @dry fossil said

[obsidian sandal]

Discord isn't like IRC, you don't have to tag people on every response. Keep in mind that every time you tag somebody, they get a notification ping. That can very quickly become annoying and people may block you.

Command '.irc' was invoked by: mono

[alpine cipher]

@dry fossil but now all devices go directly to the coordinator and that isn't really what i want it to do

[dry fossil]

Seriously... quit with the tagging, both of you.

And I already answered that. You don't get to control the mesh. The mesh is self-healing.

[alpine cipher]

agreed

so what do you suggest for devices that act out ?

[dry fossil]

Devices will connect to what they think is the best available router. They'll each have their own methods of determining that based on their firmware.

You could try moving your routers around so end devices prefer them.

Generally more routers = better mesh.

[ivory hound]

see pinned messages how to check for the best channel and etc

[alpine cipher]

well have more then 40+

[dry fossil]

40 routers? Or 40 end devices?

[alpine cipher]

40 routers

i believe the last count was somewhere around 50

but none are doing any routing work

[dry fossil]

What devices do you have that should act as routers?

[alpine cipher]

based on what i see on wireshark

[ivory hound]

there is also such a thing that is called incompatible routers

that do more harm then good

[alpine cipher]

i have curtain switches, light switches, power plugs and light bulbs

[ivory hound]

i think i read about those when read about some xiaomi and aqara zigbee devices

[alpine cipher]

brands are ikea, hue, tuya, Feibit, A3

[ivory hound]

know nothing about feibit and a3

tuya routers did not test

ikea and hue are ok

[alpine cipher]

i don't have any problems with the end-points

but the routers i do

some of the lights don't come on or off

[ivory hound]

what are the routers that makes you problems, did you notice any pattern?

[alpine cipher]

are significant latency

[ivory hound]

yah this has written all over interference

[alpine cipher]

Freibit aren't working that well

at least the ones that are far from the coordinator

that's why i thought to use my routing power

but what i now hear is i can't influence this

[ivory hound]

remove all freibit see how the zigbee network behaves

[alpine cipher]

that means that most of my house is without lights

so basically impossible to do this

[ivory hound]

you have to start your tests somewhere

or keep going like this

[tropic swallow]

thanks.

[alpine cipher]

i understand your point

[ivory hound]

@alpine cipher also read this: https://www.metageek.com/training/resources/zigbee-wifi-coexistence.html

[dry fossil]

Removing the things that don't work won't help figure out why they don't work 🤔

[alpine cipher]

exact

i see mostly the distance as the problem

[dry fossil]

If you're going to remove something from the equation, remove something else that could affect it.

[ivory hound]

no it wont, bit it would confirm to know for sure that's the cause why is not working

[alpine cipher]

most of the other devices work perfectly

not all feibit devices act out

i'm starting to think to move a part of the devices back to the hue bridge

and placing this one closer to the problem array in my house

[dry fossil]

If you're going to run a second mesh, consider something like Z2M on a Pi.

You don't have to run a full copy of HA, just Z2M (it forwards requests via MQTT) and it'll mean avoiding proprietary hubs 🤢

[alpine cipher]

i understand but i have still an hue laying around

[dry fossil]

Gotcha

[alpine cipher]

which i wanted to decommission but if no solution

i'll revert back

[lilac wharf]

Tbh I like my hue hub for lighting

Everything else... z2m

[alpine cipher]

For Z2M, can i use a second ELELABS stick ?

can you have both Z2M and ZHA on 1 HA ?

i have still a sonoff bridge also laying around which i could potentially flash again

[lilac wharf]

Zigbee2mqtt uses MQTT. You can have as many separate zigbee2mqtt instances as you want

[alpine cipher]

so you can multiple Z2M coordinators ?

[sour shadow]

Yes

I run two, currently

[alpine cipher]

did someone use sonoff bridge for this ?

or elelabs ?

[sour shadow]

For Z2M?

[alpine cipher]

yes

[sour shadow]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_adapters.html

[alpine cipher]

i have a CC2531 which i currently used to sniff the network

[sour shadow]

Which is what it's good for 😛

[alpine cipher]

which ones do you have ?

[sour shadow]

ZZH, Slaesh, and a CC2531 I'll eventually phase out

[alpine cipher]

so which one do you advice ?

[obsidian sandal]

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are support. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah! and Slaesh's sticks being recommended. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[sour shadow]

☝️ Those ones 😉

[alpine cipher]

but you say that you phase them out

[sour shadow]

The CC2531

[alpine cipher]

got it

you connected a pi to each of these devices ?

and installed home assistant ?

[sour shadow]

No

Z2M runs on a separate host from HA

None of them run on a Pi

[alpine cipher]

what do you mean ?

[sour shadow]

By which?

I don't use HAOS or Supervised, I have flexibility and control 😉

[alpine cipher]

i'm just wondering how the sticks are connected

[sour shadow]

They connect to the computer running Z2M

They could be on the other side of the planet to HA

[alpine cipher]

so you have 2 instances of Z2M on 2 seperate PCs

[sour shadow]

Nope

Two on one

Shortly to be three 😄

[alpine cipher]

so 2 sticks go into in 1 PC ?

[sour shadow]

Yup

[alpine cipher]

i'm sorry for my ignorance

[sour shadow]

No worries

[alpine cipher]

but you don't have interference then

[sour shadow]

They run on different channels

[alpine cipher]

in Z2M can you can change the channels ?

[sour shadow]

You can in all of them

It's just trivial in Z2M

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/configuration.html

[alpine cipher]

so you have 2 channels - is there a specific reason for that ?

[sour shadow]

To avoid interference

[alpine cipher]

is that to do with distance of the devices ?

[sour shadow]

I have two meshes, the new mesh, and the old mesh

Eventually I'll have one purely for my Zigbee 3.0 devices, and one for the legacy 1.2 devices, until they're all replaced

A few years, give or take 😄

[alpine cipher]

oh... i see

so your end goal is 1 stick to cover all

by replacing some of the legacy devices in the coming years

[sour shadow]

Well, something like that

But also, I can have a test mesh for playing with new devices

[alpine cipher]

are all devices directly linked to the coordinator ?

[sour shadow]

Nope

My CC2531 is on the source routing, so a whole 5 directly connected devices out of 40+. The ZZH has about 8 devices, some direct, some not

[alpine cipher]

you also let the network choose ?

[sour shadow]

Yes

Anything else is asking for trouble 😉

Very few folks really understand how RF works, or what their RF environment looks like

[alpine cipher]

including myself

[dry fossil]

RF's that stuff that gives you cancer, right?

I heard 5G is RF.

[sour shadow]

Well, don't want to scare you, but the sun does too

[dry fossil]

And if you could see it, RF would look like the Matrix.

[sour shadow]

And your TV is putting out lots of RF

[alpine cipher]

i am trying to figure out why some of the devices act out

and why none of them is routing anything

[sour shadow]

Only mains powered will route

Devices will also prefer direct over routed

[marsh osprey]

I'm new to Zigbee, using ZHA (currently using a CC2531) and have got some of the new Lidl Zigbee devices successfully working, including the remote. I've noticed that, if I press the on button on the remote more that once in succession, a zha_event event is only sent for first press. I have to press the off button first, before I will get another event triggered for the on button. The off button doesn't have the same issue. So, on > on only fires one "on" event while off > off will fire two "off" events. Is this a limitation of ZHA, or this particular remote (the light flashes on the remote every time I press the on button so I would suspect ZHA).

[sour shadow]

Switching to source routing firmware on the CC253x will help

Oh, and if you didn't pair in place, Xiaomi stuff is stuck directly connected forever 😉

[alpine cipher]

i didn't enable source routing - should this help me ?

[sour shadow]

It helps if you have more than 20 devices

[alpine cipher]

i'm using 90 devices in zha

[sour shadow]

On a CC253x 😱

[alpine cipher]

no on Elalabs

[sour shadow]

Well, that's different 😉

Hence my comment

[alpine cipher]

can you do it after pairing the devices

[sour shadow]

Do what?

[alpine cipher]

enable source routing

[sour shadow]

Switching to source routing firmware on the CC253x will help

Look at the bold bit 😉

Those words matter

[alpine cipher]

got it

but i won't on elelabs ?

[sour shadow]

🤷

I have no idea what firmware exists for it

I also haven't talked about it, if you missed that 😉

I run Z2M, not the strange zha thingy 😛

[alpine cipher]

thanks

[austere patio]

ZHA for the most part passes through what your device sends. In this instance what you see is exactly what the device sends because there is no quirk for that device

[runic wraith]

Is the z2m preferred install way to run it standalone in its own container? Im in the process of migrating from homeseer to home assistant and so far just set up a dummy zigbee mesh with a new zzh stick and just used the z2m addon directly in home assistant

Just wondering if I should change before I get any further

[sour shadow]

There's no best/universal preferred

[obsidian sandal]

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are support. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah! and Slaesh's sticks being recommended. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[sour shadow]

☝️ Take your pick, based on your requirements

Really comes down to whether you want it as part of your HA install, or not

[runic wraith]

Yes i like the z2m and i see it can be run in a separate container just not sure if it's worth ut

[sour shadow]

That's how I run, with both my Z2M installs 😄

It's not exactly hard work

[runic wraith]

In homeseer everything like zigbee, zwave etc was included in the homeseer

[sour shadow]

Well, it is here too, but you've got choices 😉

[runic wraith]

I have a server running several containers in proxmox so wouldn't be a problem to do it with z2m as well

[austere patio]

Are the add-ons not run in containers to begin with?

[sour shadow]

They are, but on the HA host

(also, lots of people mix up Docker containers with VM "containers")

[runic wraith]

Yes I'm using lxc containers in proxmox

Have mqtt setup in its own

[marsh osprey]

I just enabled debug logging and it looks like the remote sends a message like <ZCLHeader ... command_id=1> the first time the button is pressed and <ZCLHeader ... command_id=253> when it is pushed again. This then gives this warning in the log Unknown cluster-specific command 253. Should I take it that this would mean that a quirk would be needed for the device to allow for this?

[austere patio]

Yeah, probably. The remote is most likely sending a double click command

I don't believe the Zigbee spec has anything for multiple clicks

There's likely an open issue on the zha-device-handlers repo for that remote so it'd be helpful if you could paste the full log lines into a comment and maybe see if it does the same thing for triple clicks?

[austere patio]

Is anybody using a CC2538 (or know someone who is)?

I'm interested in adding support (if it's even necessary) for this coordinator to zigpy-znp and need a sample coordinator_backup.json to do that, if someone wants to donate one

[gentle flint]

Yep, and xiaomis just join to the 1st device they get a reply to the beacon request from

[dreamy tinsel]

Crazy fast. Like a few seconds to the "some things are still loading" message.

Yeah, much smoother than past experiences. Thanks for that article, the VM was way simple that way.

So much so I think there needs to be a lot more emphasis put on how many issues could be related to slow hardware. My Hue hubs seem more than adequate now.

[red walrus]

morning gentleman

and any ladies

I have a bunch of hue WW globes

and they are not remembering their dim setting if power is severed at the switch

so I get a brief burst of 100% then dim

is that normal for Hue globes connected via ZHA?

they didn't do this when connected to hue hub

[sour shadow]

I know with Zigbee2MQTT you can configure them to restore their last state on power restore, maybe ZHA can do the same?

[red walrus]

I need to research this Zigbee2MQTT

[sour shadow]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/

[red walrus]

so Z2MQTT is an either or with ZHA

[sour shadow]

Well, you can run them at the same time - just not the same stick at the same time

[red walrus]

nor the same device

so i would need a second Zigbee stick

and decide what devices I want on ZHA and what on Zigbee2MQTT

I did ask this question like a week ago LOL

[sour shadow]

Well, the second stick is easy - ZZH or Slaesh

[austere patio]

@red walrus https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues/479

Maybe set the power on level to 1% so that they don't briefly turn on to 100% and then back down?

I'm not entirely sure if that's what you're after. You can also set them to not turn on after being powered on.

[red walrus]

I have a z-wave switch connected to those fixtures

motion sensor switches switch on if off and then adjusts brightness based on time of day

if the switch is on, no problem

[austere patio]

Zigbee routers aren't expected to shut off so this will cause mesh problems

[red walrus]

i figured that

but i can't stop people turning the switch off

[austere patio]

Things will usually reroute but it may take some time and sensors that are children of the powered off bulb may take a while to find a new parent

[red walrus]

unless I delete the electrical leg

[austere patio]

Maybe install a siren that turns on when the switch is turned off?

[red walrus]

ROFL

I can just hardwire them on

[austere patio]

Or cover the switch. I think I've also seen little plastic pieces that screw in to keep the switch in the "on" position

[red walrus]

I can just turn it into a soft switch

i planned on doing that anyway

[austere patio]

Yeah, that works too. I covered all of mine with Xiaomi switches but you can still pop them out and toggle the original switch in case you need to re-join it

[red walrus]

move the bulb to another socket

that's what I do

I had to reset a bunch of tuya lights that the circuit was hardwired

I just moved them to a swtich leg that still had a real switch

rejoined them and moved them back

[elder python]

Or replace switches with someting like sonoff swithes

[red walrus]

they are already smart switches

[elder python]

You can then decouple relays and use multipress for automations

[red walrus]

why would I add a sonoff in wall switch to an alreadty smart switch?

[elder python]

Thats what I use

[red walrus]

ur like my buddy yev

he's an electician

every is INSIDE the wall

with dumb switches

[elder python]

😀

[red walrus]

I'm not cutting open my wall nor crawling in my roof to fuck with that crap

in-wall switches for me tyvm

[elder python]

When we built our house we installed every swith to sonoff t1. Took me more than 6months to really start flashing them and integrating them to smart home. Was annoyed when guest were turning lights of from switches

Decoupled relays and no problems anymore 😀

[red walrus]

then u started right

most of us are in established houses

[elder python]

Yeah, you can replace normal dumb switch with for example with t1. Most countries it is mandatory electricians work though

[red walrus]

not here

[elder python]

Yes yes. Ikea sells cheap zigbee routers so that could help when power is turned of from bulbs so mesh would recover faster

[austere patio]

I think they're more expensive than just an outlet switch

Which is more useful

[red walrus]

so puddly I have to set the cluster on/off to remember state for every zigbee light?

[austere patio]

Yeah, $10 for outlet, $13 for repeater

Every hue light yes

[red walrus]

k..

[elder python]

Forgot about the plugs. Bought so many ikea curtains that I have surplus inventory of those routers

[vocal socket]

I have a problem with the IKEA 5 Button remote. After paring, I got no messages from the remote.

https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/5350

Does somebody has the same problem ?

[mighty river]

is there any problem in purchasing zigbee devices from Aliexpress? I believe I read somewhere there might be some kind of incompatibility

different zigbee protocols or something like that

[simple sentinel]

I think it has to do with frequencies in different regions.

[elder python]

Tinkerer said that frequencies arent problem with zigbee

[mighty river]

yup

[simple sentinel]

Well in that case, go nuts I guess

[mighty river]

so I should be fine I guess

yup

Chinuts

[simple sentinel]

As with anything from no-name manufacturers though, are they complying with standards? You may end up getting what you pay for

[mighty river]

I'm gonna buy Xiaomi

[simple sentinel]

Say no more

I have a Xiaomi temperature sensor, so all good

[mighty river]

thanks then

[molten linden]

Xiaomi and standards 😂 but thanks to talented devs they do work. But they don’t work well with all routers.

[sour shadow]

Yeah, the pinned messages link to a guide on the fun you have with them

[vocal socket]

Some ideas ?

[sour shadow]

You may want to ask the folks on the Z2M Discord

[modern field]

Hi folks - I am just starting to dip my feet into Home Assistant. I am currently running the HA instance on a VM at another location (my NUC isnt here yet.). I have a conbee2 plugged into a rasperrypi here locally, and I have connected a temp sensor to it. Is there a way to connect HA to the conbee if it is not locally attached?

[sour shadow]

Run deCONZ on that Pi, and the deCONZ integration will connect to it

Or you can run Zigbee2MQTT on it, and connect up that way

[amber gull]

Or just setup a socat tunnel temporarily

[modern field]

i have deCONZ on the pi successfuly, it sees my conbee, and is reading from the sensor. the HA VM isnt on the same subnet as my Pi, so mDNS/broadcast based discovery wont work. I assume I'll need to manually tell it what IP the deCONZ PI is?

[sour shadow]

I'd assume so

[vital basin]

hi all, is there something weird going on with deconz since last update? Everything became unavailable at once. I tried resinstalling deconz a few times but it never starts and I get 502 Bad gateway when I tried to access it from lovelace. any help apreciated

[sour shadow]

update of the deCONZ add-on, Home Assistant, or ...?

[vital basin]

I had all at once to be honest. did the post conference upgrade, new hassos and deconz

after that everything become unavailable

[sour shadow]

The add-on log should explain what's going on

[vital basin]

I'm going to reinstall it then. just tried zha but was not super impressed. I'll share

[sour shadow]

You could go Zigbee2MQTT 😛

Then you've tried them all

[vital basin]

bah... that sounds a bit too complex for now...

I don't realy see the value if other options work well.

maybe I'm missing on cool stuff though.

[simple sentinel]

@vital basin I ended up moving my RaspBee 2 to a second Pi running Raspberry OS so I could reflash the firmware. That got mine back to working order but I still can't use it in docker on Raspberry OS nor in the hass.io addon.
A new firmware just came out apparently, but we haven't seen a changelog yet

[vital basin]

can someone confirm for deconz setup? SHould I put the " or not? Any difference? device: "/dev/ttyACM0"

or device: /dev/ttyACM0

[ashen coral]

No difference.

[vital basin]

thxs

I see there seems to be an issue right from the start. any clues? why does it not connect? https://hastebin.com/ohomujisil.yaml

is it normal to have this error at the start of deconz [22:44:36] ERROR: Something went wrong contacting the API

[simple sentinel]

For me the device is at /dev/ttyAMA0
In the case of Raspbee 2

Or maybe you are on Conbee, nevermind

[vital basin]

Conbee2 for me. I checked. It seems like it's updating itself or scanning but it rights many many lines... I saw in the deconz discord that some people Were complaining about the update. Could it be that?

@simple sentinel Oh I see your other message above only now.. I am doing that too trying to flash it from another device. Thxs for the co formation

I feel like half my homeassistant is useless for now 😫 😩

[simple sentinel]

The new firmware is supposed to solve an issue where deconz automatically flashed the same firmware daily, or something along those lines. Will wait till they put out a changelog

[distant spire]

I just bought a Conbee II and tried to add the ZHA integration, but it fails with communicating with the device. Does anyone have any advice on what to do? I’ve tried looking for it in “hardware” but can’t seem to find it.

[simple sentinel]

Nothing along the lines of /dev/serial/by-id/usb- ?

If you use that in the configuration for the deCONZ addon you should be golden

[distant spire]

No, it doesn’t show anything which makes me question if it really gets recognized by HA.

[austere patio]

ZHA should list everything in /dev/serial/by-id/ in a little dropdown if it can't autodetect your radio

If you're running HA in some container, did you pass through the serial port from your host?

[golden vessel]

@distant spire tried rebooting?

[distant spire]

Yeah, tried rebooting, tried to unplug it, then boot, shutdown and plug it in again before booting and so on.

[golden vessel]

set the logs to debug and post it here

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging

[distant spire]

Will try that tomorrow, now I have to sleep. 🙂

[pine goblet]

Anyone know of an outdoor zigbee motion sensor?

[molten linden]

hue is the only one I know of.

[dry fossil]

What's your climate like? You may find a lot are okay outdoors.

[molten linden]

seen some recommend a little silicon around the lens and over the buttons,openings of indoor ones and they work fine outside.

[dry fossil]

Or if mounted in a sheltered position, none of that may be needed.

[pine goblet]

I’m in New Jersey so it gets hot and cold

It would be under the soffit

So it wouldn’t be in direct contact with the rain unless the wind blows maybe but still outside

[elder python]

Ikea sells ip44 rated sensors

Have used in Finland at -15c works fine

Before used the older model maybe ip22 rated and worked fine also. It just used too much battery so switched to newer one

I think they had some desing flaw like the neat dimmer pucks. Battery just drained too fast

[molten linden]

@pine goblet I’m in Delaware so pretty much same climate. I have had some indoor stuff outside in covered locations for over a year with no issue.

[elder python]

https://www.ikea.com/fi/fi/p/tradfri-langaton-liiketunnistin-valkoinen-70429913/

Here's some finnish for you

Been using it over a year and still has about 60% battery

[pine goblet]

$10 that’s not bad

Is that zigbee?

[elder python]

Yes

Its 10eur, so is it less in states?

Maybe 7.99$

[lilac wharf]

$10 US

[elder python]

Ok

Well that still less than 10 eur

[pine goblet]

Cheaper than hue outdoor at $50

Even cheaper than the aqaras I just ordered

[mellow geode]

Sorry to bother again. Is the script to migrate from the ELU013 (EZSP/bellows) to ZZH (using with zigpy-znp) available somewhere or could you send it to me?

I did not (yet) backup the ELU013 stick, but I guess I can use the method described here: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy/wiki/Coordinator-Backup-and-Migration and then I'd need the script to convert it to the "ZNP radio format" (saved in JSON - not txt).

[amber gull]

I can walk you through it if puds is not around.

Bleeding edge, minimally tested to my knowledge, no promises 😬😬

[neat crane]

Not affiliated at all but I got a Zigbee button & Outlet for $10 w/ Azon Prime and they work perfectly with ZHA and conbee II.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08FDD99VD

[graceful canopy]

Any feedback on TRÅDFRI LED bulbs from Ikea, they are $5 at the moment and I wanted to try them but not sure how well they work with Zigbee2Mqtt +Xiaomi Devices?

[delicate fossil]

@graceful canopy link to the deal?

[graceful canopy]

https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/591330

(Australian)

[delicate fossil]

😦

[graceful canopy]

I'm worried though most Ikea / Osram zigbee kit has been very unstable for me

So not sure if I should risk it

[lilac wharf]

Could always return

365 days boi

[coral condor]

hi zigbee pros! I have a question regarding to the zigbee (it can be my setup or may devices are not compatible). I have a Nortek stick (it has zwave and zigbee). My configuration is correct as far as I know that one is for zwave (USB0) and another for zigbee(USB1). I was able to connect to zwave without having any issue for a month since I got the stick. But for Zigbee, I had some issue. From time to time I will loose connection with the zigbee device. I have the xiaomi (aquara) temp/humid/pressure sensor. The only way for me to obtain the data back is to re sync with the devices again. After couple days later, I won't be able to get any data again. Is there any solution for this? or it can be a compatibility issue? Thanks!

the distance between the zigbee devices and nortek stick are all within 25ft of distance

[elder python]

@graceful canopy No problems with Ikea lights. Some are also outdoors where it gets in winter to -15c. Some of the lighs I have had over 3 years and all are still working.

[elder python]

If you use conbee you can update your ikea stuff using ota.

[elder python]

@coral condor Cant really tell with that much whats causing it. Are you using deconz? If so you can use VCN to see the mesh. When connecting Aqara devices I recommend to get them connected to a stable router for example to the stick directly. If the aqara devices lose their router if I remember correctly can act like this.

You can try also to use usb cable to get the stick further from the hub to boost signal

[coral condor]

Hi J, I didn't use either conbee or the deconz

I simply use the Nortek stick (it has zwave and zigbee)

[sour shadow]

zha then

[elder python]

Havent tried zha myself

[sour shadow]

Xiaomi devices are known to be a pain in the backside - see the pinned messages

25 feet could well be too far, check the LQI

[coral condor]

I see

maybe I should get a different device then?

[sour shadow]

Well, like any mesh network, building it to be healthy is the challenge 😉

[coral condor]

or having another zigbee hub somewhere?

[elder python]

If you can get stable mesh tjen it would propably work

[sour shadow]

Hub, no, routers yes

[coral condor]

ok

[elder python]

Conbee and deconz for me has worked without hiccups

[sour shadow]

If you don't have routers, you don't have a mesh, and you'll have a rubbish time 😉

[coral condor]

no wonder

[sour shadow]

Any non-battery device will be a router

[coral condor]

maybe I will swap to a wifi sensor?

[sour shadow]

Just add some devices that act as routers, you'll be fine

[coral condor]

ok

any good suggestions?

[sour shadow]

You may also find sticking the Nortek stick on a short USB extension cable helps

[coral condor]

device that can act like a router?

[elder python]

Salus plug that you cant get nowhere 😂

[sour shadow]

Lots of them, see the pinned messages 😉

[coral condor]

ok cool thanks

[sour shadow]

I have one of https://zigbee2mqtt.discourse.group/t/ad-buy-ready2use-zigbee2mqtt-stick-flashed-antenna-mod-and-printed-case/22/6 upstairs, which covers pretty much the entire upstairs

[coral condor]

I see now

the xiaomi issue

I will read up on those more and see if I can get a better mesh setup

[sour shadow]

I have a load of them, without any real issues, but I do have a lot of routers

[elder python]

Well they need stable connection. When have that the they are great

[coral condor]

then I need alot of those then lol

[sour shadow]

Well, you need enough, and a stable mesh

I started with one router, for about 20 Xiaomi devices

[coral condor]

or is it better for me to get a xiaomi router just to ensure the compatibility issue?

I mean to rule out any incompatible issues

[sour shadow]

The one above links for my Xiaomi devices just fine, but use the pinned message to find others that are known to work

[coral condor]

cool thanks J and Tinkerer. I will get more of those from amazon and then test it out

I will simply bring one device close to my nortek stick and see

if it stay connect for a day or 2 then it will be the distance which I may have to get router

awesome thanks guys!

[alpine marlin]

Hi guys,
Since this is the first time I've come across a zigbee device that didn't play well with my Conbee II + ZHA setup I thought I'd ask here first so you could maybe point me in the right direction where and if I should submit an issue/device support request.
The device I'm trying to integrate is Datek ID Lock 150 which is a smart lock that they've just released a zigbee module for(before there where only a Z-Wave module).
I actually managed to pair it and get it into Home Assistant but the device cannot be controlled and the status is always "unlocked".
In the user manual for the zigbee module there seem to be alot of usful information about clusters and stuff(sorry I'm a noob when it comes to this).
User manual in English can be found here:
https://idlock.no/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/User-Manual-Zigbee-module_EN_v0.4.pdf
So my question is basically how I can get this device supported with my limited knowledge? 🙂

[gentle flint]

The main part is in https://github.com/home-assistant/core/blob/89fe232643134f283c041537e9f6841f47dc1c5e/homeassistant/components/zha/core/channels/closures.py#L12 and in the lock.py 3 folders above it

Start by enabling debug logging ( zha docs) and checking the logs to see what's happening when you try to control the lock

A full pairing log could also provide some hints

[delicate fossil]

@alpine marlin I had to do that for my wyze lock. I got everything but battery working.

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/wyze-lock-zigbee-home-assistant-hassio-hassos-zha-integration-working-as-expected-remove-cloud-control/211884 was a good form post that shows where the code is and what you'd need to change

[queen basalt]

sltwin did you solve the problem? my zigbee ligths are offline too after the updates of yesterday

[vital basin]

Not really. I installed the conbee2 stick on a windows machine to test it and see if I could update the firmware. It's working properly on that machine. Also on my raspberry pi I was able to make the conbee2 work properly with ZHA. Only the deconz add-on is broken for now.

But of course that means you would need to reset/repair everything. I use deconz only for sensors. I keep my.ligjts with the hue bridge (for this precise reason)...

[simple sentinel]

I am really happy I have my lights on Hue Bridge, considering the torment my RaspBee 2 put me through the last few days.
Good to have a corporate backed well supported Bridge in charge of "keeping the lights on".

[vital basin]

Yep. Been thinking about adding everything to conbee2 for more than a Year... Happy I didn't.

[lilac wharf]

Yeah some people scoff when I mention the hue bridge but I like keeping that separate but still controllable by HA

Zigbee2mqtt for everything Zigbee except lights

[vital basin]

@simple sentinel I have a feeling there is not much being done about the issue we experienced with the zigbee stick. I see you on the deconz discord also but I see not much interest in solving this... It's driving me nuts.

[austere patio]

Keeping everything joined to a single stick and having exclusively smart lighting is how you make sure your Zigbee network is always running well

Because otherwise you're sitting in the dark and have no choice but to fix the problem

[simple sentinel]

For now I think the community is still trying to categorize whose issue it is.
In my case, my Raspbee 2 now works in native Raspberry OS, but can't be used in Docker, and therefore neither in the HA addon.
So, seeing as I was able to flash and get back some functionality, is it an issue for Dresden Elektronik or the poor souls that maintain the various enclosed distribution?

The hackeesack game continues with us know nothing peons in the middle 😛

[lilac wharf]

Sounds like a passthrough issue

Is the device passed through to the container?

[simple sentinel]

I couldn't tell you, I count myself as a know-nothing 😛

[lilac wharf]

HA OS or Supervised will handle that automatically IIRC, but with HA Container you'll need to pass it through

Or run it as privileged 🤢

[vital basin]

I'm happy the stick works properly... I might actually give up on the add on and keep the version running straight from my server. Seems easier since I know nothing about passthrough and other stuff like that 😀

[lilac wharf]

It's not complicated. Just add it to devices: in docker-compose.yaml or in the docker run command

(for HA Container)

[simple sentinel]

I landed on just having it run natively on my second pi.
It's not how I envisioned my setup, but it has some advantages, like less hubbub when performing firmware updates

[fresh dragon]

hello, playing with ZHA/zha_quirks for xiaomi device, using ZHA integration with tasmota/sonoff zigbee bridge, but it is very annoying that delete device does not work as expected

someone else using that kind of configuration?

i need couple restarts of ha core to get rid of this "Skip initialization for existing device"

[tropic depot]

It’s a bug in the ezsp firmware

We’re working on fixing it

next major release will handle this differently I think

[fresh dragon]

it will be great, loosing a lot of time removing device to test new quirk 🙂 thanks

[distant spire]

I'm having trouble adding ZHA integration and using a conbee II stick. When i look for it under system ->hardware I don't see it, when I try to add the ZHA integration it does not find it either.
I'm running HA on a home assistant blue (aka. Odroid).

[lilac wharf]

restart home assistant if you haven't already

i think a home assistant restart is required to pick up new hardware (but i can't be too sure because i run HA Container)

[distant spire]

I've tried that. Tried rebooting HA, tried rebooting the host system

[lilac wharf]

i'd ask in #330990055533576204 then

[distant spire]

ok I'll try that!

[rich fable]

Hey, is there any possible way to synchronize devices from Zigbee2mqtt into HomeAssistant? I've just a zigbee device from HASS and it is not synchronizing even after a reboot 😦 HELP!

[golden vessel]

@rich fable is the discovery option enabled in the MQTT integration?

[rich fable]

@golden vessel Do you mean inside of configuration.yaml? Yes it is

[golden vessel]

have you set "homeassistant: true" in Z2M ?

[rich fable]

Yes, just checked it 🙂

[golden vessel]

things to try:

• check that Z2M is sending the device configuration/discovery messages after it reboots
• if it does, check that the topic is correct (it is the discovery_prefix option on HA mqtt integration, or just "homeassistant" if you haven't set it)

[rich fable]

@golden vessel Ohhh it sends shi*t load of data 😄 For this device I can spot topics homeassistant/sensor/xxxxxx/battery/config, homeassistant/sensor/xxxxxx/illuminance/config and homeassistant/sensor/xxxxxx/linkquality/config,

[golden vessel]

@rich fable in the integrations UI, on the MQTT integration, it does not show that device?

[rich fable]

It does not show there. I can still see it only in zigbee2mqtt UI

[golden vessel]

do you have any device on the MQTT integration?

[rich fable]

13 right now

[golden vessel]

are those z2m devices? can you control them in HA?

[amber gull]

I have had issues with auto discovery not adding devices. Might check home -assistant.log and see if it thinks it was already discovered

If so I usually have to clear the retained messages, shut down HA, restart the broker and then discover the device again 🤷‍♂️

[rich fable]

@amber gull So basically I should restart Zigbee2mqtt and check if HA complains about this discovery in the logs?

[amber gull]

Maybe, never really paid attention to when HA process new vs old discovery topics or when z2m would resend them

[rich fable]

@amber gull @golden vessel Just FYI. I've used RE-CONFIGURE MQTT option in mqtt integration and migically it discovered the device once again just fine 🤷‍♂️ 🙄

[paper steeple]

hey guys.
i have used ZHA MAP for several weeks and everything was working great.
since 2020.12.0 (now on 2020.12.1) with the integrated zha map, there is one sonoff motion sensor which always shows as not connected to anything. however it still works.
i tried re-pairing, then it shows correct on the map for some hours and then wrong again.

funny thing is, that sensor is really close to the zbbridge, should be the one with best connection

is there anything i could do to fix this?

[lilac wharf]

if it's working properly you don't have anything to worry about

[serene musk]

Hi, I got the following error: ERROR (MainThread) [pydeconz.websocket] Client connection error.

I'm using Deconz/phoscon in a container running ubuntu VM

In HA using the Deconz integration

Anyway everything is OK, except the error in the LOG.

[sand dew]

mono reminded me of this channel by way of me asking how to integrate Hive into HA. I'm new to HA (using rpi4 and an sd card w conbee2 stick) and using zha for lidl plugs at the moment. mono suggested z2m for integrating Hive. I'm genuinely curious, which is better? Especially re hive integration.

[graceful canopy]

Ok so when I unplug a Router, devices attached to this router don't update with this change and all the devices just disconnect from the network. Until I plug the router in, this is with zigbee2mqtt. Surely this behavior is not expected

Last night, I lost half my wall switches because of this.

[green lily]

Am I right in thinking that this means that this device doesn't have a direct path to the controller (GoControl HUBZ stick)? It has the number '93' on it:

https://i.imgur.com/1CMAumB.png

[red walrus]

hey guys, what's the difference between a Hue Sensor's motion sensor and occupancy?

[violet dew]

I'm moving my hue lights to zha from the hue bridge. when connected to the hue bridge, if I set color_temp on a color light, it will only report color_temp, not hsl or rgb color values. If i set it to a color, color_temp property will be removed and hsl and rgb properties displayed. When same light is connected to zha, all 3 values are set at all time. does anyone know if it's possible to change this behaviour in zha?

[red walrus]

I change mine in NR

I don't care what it reports

[violet dew]

if I set a color using the color picker and then change it using the color temp slider, the icon keeps the color set by the color picker, it doesn't change to yellow like it should

[violet dew]

I moved one of my sensors from the hue bridge to zha earlier tonight. I don't know if it's broken, but I noticed that motion doesn't trigger at all for me, only occupancy. been moving it around and trying a few different things with it, but the motion part stays off while occupancy triggers every time

[red walrus]

yeah I've noticed that too

[mellow geode]

Issue for the color temperature reporting bug here: https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/37177

Afaik it depends on the light. Most lights do not report a new xy_color with a white color when the color temperature is changed. (ZHA behavior should probably account for this)

[mellow geode]

Just wondering, is this a Philips Hue motion sensor? I've got one outdoor Hue sensor and the "on_off" motion entity never changes to on/triggered in Hass.
The occupancy entity does however change correctly.

[violet dew]

Yes, it's an indoor philips hue motion sensor. Looks like it's the same for both

[red walrus]

Yes that's what we were talking about

My motion sensor sensor entity has not detected any motion since it brought online

[tawdry raft]

Hey, I switched from deconz to zha hoping my eurotronic spirit zigbee thermostat will run more stable. But I still have disconnections and similar problems. Does anyone have the eurotronic thermostat reliable in use?

[mellow geode]

I don't have one. What coordinator are you using and are there any Zigbee routers (mains powered devices like bulbs or smart plugs) nearby?

[violet dew]

I checked the turn_on function for light in both deconz and zha. deconz updates the full state of the device using the supplied arguments. if color_temp is not part of the arguments, device state will not include color_temp. same function in zha only updates the state of given arguments and leaves the state for unspecified arguments unchanged instead of removing/resetting them. that means that if you set color_temp once, it will keep that state unchanged until you turn it off or change color_temp

[mellow geode]

Yeah, that seems like how it probably should be in ZHA.

Maybe it helps if you comment with the information on how to fix the issue here: https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/37177

[red walrus]

i've got color hue globes.. in my bedroom

I use the kelvin setting to change from color to white

depending on the type of white

{"kelvin":6500} in NR makes the bright white

[violet dew]

done 🙂

[red walrus]

{"kelvin":1000} to warm white no matter the previous setting

[mellow geode]

Yeah, I think Hue lights handle color temperature better than most lights though.
I think if you you provide an rgb_color (or xy_color) which is white. It doesn't try to to use the RGB leds, but also uses the dedicated warm/color white leds.

[red walrus]

i tried setting RGB to 255,255,255 and it gave me an api error

[mellow geode]

Ah, sorry

I thought Hue globes were also RGB + CCT

Are they only "warm white" or white spectrum?

[red walrus]

they are

[mellow geode]

Yeah, I read again

It should work then

[red walrus]

but you have to change the kelvin or color_temp to initiate the CCT

[mellow geode]

Using light.turn_on works with this:

rgb_color: [255, 255, 255]```

Turns it to cool white (and also changes the Hass icon to a "yellow"-ish color

[red walrus]

didn't for me

[mellow geode]

Did you connect them using a Hue Bridge or a Zigbee stick?

[red walrus]

stick

[mellow geode]

With ZHA?

[red walrus]

yeah

[mellow geode]

Weird. Do you recall what the error message was?

[red walrus]

I can replcate it give me a sec

mofo worked now

I hate inconsistancies

[mellow geode]

Haha, perhaps it changed between versions

[red walrus]

in any event I'll go back to kelvin

I use a hue remote to cycle thru solors/etc

[mellow geode]

Sure. I think I use xy_color even for warm-white in some scenes in order for the icon to change correctly. (Temperature slider stays on the far left but I never look at that anyway...)

I guess you could provide xy_color and color_temp for Hue lights (I wonder which takes priority though)

[red walrus]

no idea

it achieves my ends

my issue is the motion sensor

it has detected 0 motion events since I added

the occupancy sensor seems to do it's job

my understanding of an occupancy sensor is to use the PIR function to detect body heat in a room that's not moving

[mellow geode]

Most motion sensors that have an occupancy entity in Home Assistant just have a timeout of 1-3 minutes on the motion.

It might be that Philips does this the proper way though.

No idea why the motion entity always stays off though. Maybe this should be reported as a bug in the hass repo or zha-device-handlers?

[red walrus]

me either

I really wanted to make use of that

for like my bedroom and den

[violet dew]

with what I have tested so far, the occupancy part of the sensor is really just a motion sensor, it doesn't detect person by body heat

[red walrus]

oh

well the blows chunks

so there's 2 motion sensors?

[violet dew]

no, i think there's only one. I think we need the hardware specs to make sure though

[tawny night]

Hey all, I am using a zigbee shield on a rpi which seem to be working pretty well but I cannot get my philips LTG002 gu10 globes to work, I have debug logs would someone be able to help me find the issue? I think it might be a bug. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gGYsjT6tSv/ (I am using zha)

[red walrus]

according to everything I can find online there is a motion sensor AND an occupancy sensor in the Hue PIR

how it works it doesn't say

but I saw multiple references

[austere patio]

Internal photos show just a normal PIR sensor in there: https://www.tom-it.nl/philips-hue-motion-sensor-teardown/

[calm bobcat]

I have a temp/humidity sensor connected with ZHA, it seems to update every hour, is it possible to increase this rate for use with controlling humidity?

[austere patio]

Which sensor?

If it's Xiaomi, then no. If not, I'm not too sure if you can change the default reporting interval that ZHA configured for sensors

[calm bobcat]

Aquara sensor

[austere patio]

Yeah you can't configure its reporting interval

[calm bobcat]

Bummer, thanks! are there ones that will allow it that you know off hand?

[austere patio]

Pretty much any sensor that actually implements the Zigbee spec

Though the Aqara sensors last forever and should update every degree/percent change (or once every ~50 minutes) so you should be getting updates whenever anything interesting happens

[calm bobcat]

Hmmm, it went from 31% to 38% between updates (trying to solve a dry air probelm 🙂 )

[austere patio]

Maybe the humidity rose very quickly and wasn't sent immediately because a previous report already happened a short while ago

[amber gull]

https://imgur.com/gallery/yjORzt7

I got 9 readings from 30 to 90 RH

[calm bobcat]

Interesting, ok, I'll keep an eye on it and see more data. Thanks 🙂 I wonder if it triggers on temp changes but not humidity?

Btw, using ZHA? Or maybe doesn't matter?

[amber gull]

Yes, but shouldn't matter

[calm bobcat]

Thanks for the help!

[obsidian sandal]

@azure fable posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x9GPSSM9b2/

[azure fable]

Where is config.txt? I can't seem to mount the FAT partition and the SSH add-on doesn't seem to expose /mtn/boot for me.

https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/x9GPSSM9b2/

( I have a RPi 3 with a traditional HassIO for the OS )

This guy seemed to mount the SD no problem: #330990055533576204 message

[azure fable]

I'm on MacOS and my SD reader is USB C and the only Windows laptops here don't have USB C 😦

[mellow geode]

Does anyone here get LQIs over 100 using the ZZH stick?

Migrated from a ConBee II (with LQIs about 200) to a ELU013 (Elelabs EZSP stick) and then got LQIs around 140 (directly from the Coordinator).

Now I migrated to the ZZH (due to the ZHA groups color change delay) and I'm "only" getting LQIs around 30 to 60.

[mellow geode]

Walt_H: Afaik you were also using an Elelabs stick before and changed to a TI dev board (with a power amplifier?). Not that you should go by the LQI numbers, but what are you getting for numbers now?

[violet dew]

I have a CC2531, LQI is unknown. Do you know how I can get that info

[dry fossil]

Most of my routes are high, with many capping out at 255. It's not the stick (unless you got one of the bad batch).

[sour shadow]

I have a full range from mid/high hundreds, to low double digits (but hey, that device is the far side of two brick walls)

[golden vessel]

drywall or concrete walls? 😛

[dry fossil]

A mix. Concrete for the garage - sensors in there work fine.

[golden vessel]

but do they also have 255 LQI?

[dry fossil]

Yes...

Line of sight between my garage light switch and the router it's currently connected to passes through my kitchen (including appliances), a concrete wall, another freezer and my gas boiler.

In all seriousness... does it matter? 255 LQI isn't the goal. Working is the goal.

[frail oracle]

Solo

[brittle maple]

hello - is there a "recommended" zigbee USB stick that has been found to work best with HA and is it better to go with ZHA or deCONZ? Thanks

[obsidian sandal]

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are support. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah! and Slaesh's sticks being recommended. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[sour shadow]

☝️

There's no "best" here, just choices 😉 I personally recommend ZHA if you want it embedded in HA, and Zigbee2MQTT if you don't, but there's no shortage of deCONZ fans around too...

[dry fossil]

They're only here because they need support 😄

[sour shadow]

Then clearly, Z2M with a Zig-A-Zig-Ah!

[runic wraith]

^^ thats what I just installed at least, so far so good

[junior meteor]

I have two instances of ZHA with zzh! and both work very well too

If you don't mind flashing and going a tiny bit experimental then zzh is pretty good. However, I know many people like it to have a "company supported" product so a Conbee/Raspbee is fine too. The only difference is that deCONZ only works with Conbee/Raspbee, else everything is interchangable

[lilac wharf]

any reason you're not going the z2m route if you've got a ZZH?

[austere patio]

Interesting. Maybe RF performance has changed in a new batch? I have one of the pre-production boards and never see anything above ~140 for bulbs in the same room.

[junior meteor]

Pretty much just that I like it being very tightly integrated with Home Assistant

[dry fossil]

You know what the problem was in the old batch, right? The reason replacements were sent out to everyone that wanted one?

I am investigating what appears to be a manufacturing issue with some of the zzh boards shipped in the last batch (sold on Tindie 20/06/2020) with users reporting bad RF performance.

[austere patio]

No clue. Some RF issue but I thought it was with some batch of PCBs.

LQI is still 30% higher than the CC2652R dev kit after migrating the network but I'll have to test again

I wouldn't call it "bad", but I've just never encountered an LQI of 255, even with the antenna poking a bulb, which is why I thought you seeing that in a normal network is interesting

[forest nova]

hi there how can update in HA deconz?

[sour shadow]

You want to update the deCONZ software?

[forest nova]

something go wrong

[sour shadow]

That's remarkably vague

Did you set your house on fire? Summon the Deep Ones?

[junior meteor]

A Windows popup came up that said "Something happened" 😛

[forest nova]

you can see here

#543512014320828416 message

[sour shadow]

Ah, you're already asking over there, where the deCONZ experts are, awesome

[forest nova]

... they say HA is the problem

[jolly narwhal]

Tightly integrated also means that if HA is down lights are down, with Z2M I can spin up any other instance of HA, anywhere else or any other software that supports MQTT (heck I can control my lights with MQTT directly)

[golden vessel]

if z2m is down, lights are down 😄

any opinions on conbee vs. elelabs stick regarding range and LQI? I've switched from the conbee to the elelabs (with zha-ng FW) and LQIs seem lower now (I don't recall having this much devices with 100+- LQI with conbee).

[jolly narwhal]

exactly

[golden vessel]

ups, corrected. I meant z2m

[jolly narwhal]

which is why I went with z2m, if the pi 🤢 that is running z2m stops I can spin it up from rsnapshot in less than 5 minutes on another system

but still, anything that can live OUTSIDE of where HA is living == bonus for me

SPOF is... for laymen tbh

[junior meteor]

I respect your opinion but I like it that way.

[jolly narwhal]

I'll gladly enjoy your tears later on 🤣

[junior meteor]

What's the matter with you?

Why are you being aggressive against me?

[golden vessel]

imagine HA goes down and z2m is still up. what would you do? send MQTT commands to control lights? 😄
don't you have your automatiions in HA?

[jolly narwhal]

Sure, but I can spin up HA in a matter of minutes on two other hosts 🤷

or any other software that supports MQTT

[golden vessel]

anyway, the most important thing is being able to control lights and so on manually. if the system goes down, I just use the switch 🙂

[golden vessel]

so, in a matter of minutes you'll have your zigbee network up again, if you used ZHA ?

😄

[jolly narwhal]

z2m ? yes

[sour shadow]

This is why smart switches are better than smart lights

[golden vessel]

so, you are saying that it is good to have things separated... but in the end you'll end up waiting for HA to get up, to be able to control Z2M devices, right? 😄

[jolly narwhal]

If waiting is 3 minutes

Sure

[golden vessel]

ok, then, what is the advantage of having zigbee on Z2M and not on HA? 😛

[sour shadow]

I run multiple Z2M meshes, try doing that with ZHA 😛

(yes, I know, that's not normal)

[jolly narwhal]

And not restarting your mesh every time you reboot your ha host

[austere patio]

Mesh doesn't restart, only the coordinator does...

[golden vessel]

sure @sour shadow ! I'm not saying that there are no advantages... just not the "downtime/separation/microsevices" thing, because you'll still need HA to talk to Z2M

the mesh does not restart...

[jolly narwhal]

I run everything as a separate service, nothing runs more than one service in a single container, VM, host

[dry fossil]

Encapsulation and separation of concerns aren't major principles in software design just because they sound cool.

[jolly narwhal]

Except the docker host

[dry fossil]

They're valuable principles to follow.

[sour shadow]

You can run multiple HA instances too, it'd be pretty trivial to have a hot failover here

(not that I've bothered)

[dry fossil]

I don't know why this is even an argument. If HA dies, ZHA dies.

[golden vessel]

we are not doing software development here 🙂

[dry fossil]

Z2M users can abandon HA completely and switch to another ecosystem just fine.

[jolly narwhal]

Speak for yourself 😂

Enterprise thinking is good thinking

[dry fossil]

You're using the results of software development. Same bloody thing.

Can't switch out a single layer if you only have a single layer to start with.

n-layer architecture = 🔥

[sour shadow]

Some scary folks have coded their own Z2M frontend....

[austere patio]

Nothing prevents you from running HA core stripped down to just ZHA

[dry fossil]

There are plenty of MQTT systems out there.

[dry fossil]

Except that doesn't sound trivial to do and no-one but power users would even try.

[austere patio]

Don't put anything in your config?

[golden vessel]

using software is not the same as developing software. GMail has (hopefully) several microservices under it. I don't wan't to have 200 webpages that I need to use manually in order to read an email 🙂

[dry fossil]

But you're benefiting from solid architectural designs.

If they didn't have those designs in place, the end user doesn't get the benefits.

Dismissing it as 'just development stuff' is a weak argument.

[mighty river]

I have quite a few devices connected to my Raspbee/deconz. I got used to losing some Osram motion sensors randomly, whenever I restart the gateway, occasionally they somewhat tend to "fall sleep" and need to get paired again. They never worked too reliable when connected to the Hue hub before either.

But what is puzzling me is one Hue bulb that keeps disconnecting on occasion. It is quite far away from the raspbee. But so is the Hue bulb (same type) right next to it.
Also: Sometimes the bulb rejoins the family (on unclear schedule). I have yet to figure out how and why it does that.

Any suggestion how to debug/improve this?

[austere patio]

How many times a day can we have this argument

[amber gull]

🍿🍿🍿

[dry fossil]

As many times as abmantis brings it up 🤷‍♂️

[golden vessel]

don't forget that the time you save once every 5 years when you change from HA to something else, or HA dies, may be less than the time you waste on maintining HA + Z2M + MQTT separated 🙂

[dry fossil]

Time? It took an hour to set up and I never touch it 🤷‍♂️

It honestly feels like you're just trying to troll now.

[mighty river]

Guess I shouldn't have picked the time of a holy war when posting ... 😉

[junior meteor]

Yup lol

[dry fossil]

It's okay, Umrath... I'd rather see your conversation than this inane crap.

Carry on with something that matters.

[mighty river]

points a few lines up where the Hue/raspbee stuff is mentioned

[junior meteor]

I won't post what I use next time since it seems like some people need to ego trip

[dry fossil]

I see no ego. Just those that understand software architectures and those that ignore them 🤷‍♂️

I know that most people in here are aware, even if they choose to use ZHA. At least that's an educated decision rather than pure ignorance.

[junior meteor]

Nah, seems like you get answers like this if you mention anything that doesn't fit your idea of an setup: #zigbee-archived message

[jolly narwhal]

It's a difference in understanding of underlying services and how to provide a redundant seamless experience for all involved parties

That people who you around in their parents bedroom often don't realize

🤷‍♂️

[austere patio]

I'll have to check more thoroughly but I don't think the low level implementation of LQI is described in the Zigbee spec. EZSP routinely got 255 LQI for me but I don't get anything above 160 on any of my TI coordinators in artificial configurations

And the range of the latter definitely not worse than my HUSBZB-1

[amber gull]

Yes, my sensors that are a few inches away from 1352P2 are ~ 140

And keep in mind silicon labs had diff implementation of LQI for EM3XX then EFR32

[austere patio]

Do we have to rescale LQI back to a max of 255?

[amber gull]

🤷‍♂️

[austere patio]

Can't have SiLabs appearing better

[dry fossil]

I don't have all the answers but I know Osram often get reported here as misbehaving. I don't think they follow the Zigbee protocol accurately and that means they break other things too.

[mighty river]

Yes, that's why I gave up on Osram more or less.
But the Hue bulb is a surprise to me.

[dry fossil]

I think Hue are supposed to be reliable. But do you still have the Osram stuff on your mesh?

[mighty river]

A few bulbs and the said motion sensors.

[amber gull]

majority of my routers are SiLabs too (IKEA). They are all around ~ 150 LQI too for nearby routers

[mighty river]

The bulbs work nicely. Never had any issues with them.

[dry fossil]

Ah... I think it's Osram bulbs that break things - they don't behave well as routers.

If a message would go via the Osram bulb... sometimes it won't.

[mighty river]

Urks. So, I should get rid of them?

[dry fossil]

I would try removing them from your mesh and seeing if it's more stable, yes.

[amber gull]

You will probably want to look at your deconz map @mighty river and find the parent of the sensors

[dry fossil]

[amber gull]

Knowing where they are routing will help you pinpoint the problem

[dry fossil]

That's a good idea too. See if the 'faulty' Hue bulb is routing via the Osram bulb.

It's probably not the Hue bulb that has the problem.

[mighty river]

Ok, will do.

[austere patio]

Yeah, it could be that packets from two bulbs next to one another don't follow the same routes through the network

[jolly narwhal]

I'm glad Osram smart stuff wasn't s thing here so I never had to go into that mess

[amber gull]

FWIW, I had a Hue bulb recently that would always kill a centralite sensor

[dry fossil]

I'm glad I'm a cheap and can't afford Osram/Hue/etc.

Chinese imports all the way 🤣

[jolly narwhal]

Long live tradfri

Often at 50% too

[austere patio]

Not too long though, or else that stack lockup bug appears

[dry fossil]

The Tradfri range doesn't include no-neutral UK switches though 😦

[mighty river]

I have replaced the Osram motion sensors with Aqara. Cheap and quite reliable.
(Just need to figure out how to switch from phoscon to the other, more fancy tool.)

[lilac wharf]

Just wish aqara actually switched parents

[austere patio]

I think someone said they saw that happen once??

[lilac wharf]

Fake news

https://c.tenor.com/8IC9G3UHEFsAAAAM/it-was-all-a-dream-dumbledore.gif

[amber gull]

I think it's really like the ZDO rejoin that kills them?

[golden vessel]

I've seen it happen once or twice, yes

[amber gull]

The new lux sensor or the old stuff?

[golden vessel]

I think the last I saw was a Aqara Motion Sensor

[sour shadow]

The new Zigbee 3.0 stuff does - at least my Mijia light sensor did

[past vigil]

hi, has anyone ever run into deCONZ web server serving blank pages? using the marthoc/deconz docker image

[mighty river]

So, looking at the not so easy to read map I see 4 connections:

1. to my light strip in the living room, 2 levels lower (no idea how it can reach that, yellow though)
2. to a Hue bulb in the neighboring room (greenish)
3. Hue bulb at the hallway one level below (green)
4. Osram bulb in the hallway on the same level (greyish)

... and now the bulb is gone again.

[amber gull]

Can you post a screenshot?

[mighty river]

Oh, that will be fun ... please don't expect to be able to read anything from it. But will do it for the entertainment regardless. 😛

hmm, seems I'm unable to post a picture ...

[obsidian sandal]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Command '~images' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[mighty river]

https://imgur.com/OteKTzj

meanwhile changed to this: https://imgur.com/HoM6nr8

And it keeps doing that ...

(That tool could use an "unfiddle" mode to sort the entities in a way that you actually see something.)

[austere patio]

Imgur doesn't let you view high resolution images on mobile for some reason

Not that it would help, that is one dense graph

[mighty river]

Yep, was afraid to hear that.

Well, the pic is not higher res anyway. Haven't managed to convince the tool to run any higher resolution yet.

[austere patio]

It's forcibly scaled down to 640px wide with super heavy webp compression

[mighty river]

uploading to icloud ... but slow from windows

[austere patio]

Oh, no, that's my fault for trying it on mobile.

[lilac wharf]

Yeah, way to go puddly

😛

[frigid mica]

where you been hidin boy

[mighty river]

new try: https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0n6xwzcdoSipaOca7OPPmsGSw#net and https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0gRgLtoDHOTgrlNPa_Fp_xprQ#net2

and https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0OrK_2JD0yC3UPZrmlufdCzWw#net3 for a complete overview

I'm really puzzled, because "Wandseite" (the one with the connection issues) is literally right next to "Fensterseite" (which is well connected) - because they are just centimeters from each other in the same lamp on the ceiling.

[golden vessel]

@amber gull just confirmed: Aqara ghosts with Elelabs, with zha-ng firmware! Just had to leave the sensor with no motion for 20h or so

[amber gull]

Can you reproduce it and capture it over the air? @golden vessel

[kindred quest]

is it "better" to use the conbee stick with decon or zigbee2mqtt?

[amber gull]

If you understand software architecture you should use zigbee2mqtt

[kindred quest]

i do understand the basics. I am new to mqtt tho

[amber gull]

Conbee support is relatively new there tho

[kindred quest]

yeah i read about that

[golden vessel]

I can't control the ghosts! They appear when they want 😂 I'll try to setup a sniffer. What do you use? Zboss?

[amber gull]

Yeah, zboss, I've taken to just running at 24/7 and rolling over the PCAP file daily

[gentle flint]

Ok, so i spin a new instance and plug the usb stick into the new ha instance 🤷

[simple sentinel]

@tight ibex where did you leave it with your Conbee setup?

[lilac wharf]

ZHA is nice, but I do like that updates to z2m aren't dependent on HA updates

At the end of the day it's a matter of personal preference

[tight ibex]

Wrong phone number?

[lilac wharf]

Wut?

[golden vessel]

Do you run it on Linux?

[tight ibex]

Wrong phone number?

[simple sentinel]

hmm, maybe,

I misremembered

[tight ibex]

HAHAHA, funny, did the same mistake myself 😄

Sorry

[lilac wharf]

Nah you're good lol

[simple sentinel]

Oh right, it wasn't you it was @vital basin 😄
sltwin, where did you leave it with your Conbee setup?

[gentle flint]

Easy peasy: copy zha folder under a different name into custom_componets, change domain constant and manifest.json and have another zigbee mesh running :)

[simple sentinel]

I'm sorry too 😄

[tight ibex]

Yeah 😄 It wouldn't be right to be intimidated now I did the same thing too. Cheers, mate! 😆

[gentle flint]

If Z2M dies, zigbee dies. What's so different of ha diying vs Z2M diying?

[lilac wharf]

I think the point there is z2m isn't dependent on HA

Again though... #zigbee-archived message

Personally I have as much stuff decoupled from HA as possible (z2m, wyzesense2mqtt, etc.)

[golden vessel]

Here we go again! 😂

[lilac wharf]

Love the avatar btw

We should argue about that next

[golden vessel]

Nah, leave my avatar out of this! 😩

[mighty river]

Hi guys, does anyone have any experience with Xiaomi wireless wall switches working with zha?

single rocker

[austere patio]

The battery powered ones? Xiaomi stuff is pretty well supported by everything

[open creek]

Something happened in release 2020.12.x from 118.5 that caused my aqara temp/humidity/pressure sensor to start going offline after a few hours

before the upgrade it was rock solid

I can re-add it, but then it'll go offline again. I'm using a HUSBZB-1

[gentle flint]

What device is xiami using as the parent? Check in the topology.did you add and new devices recently?

[open creek]

it's strangely connected to one of my RGB lights in my living room, not exactly close (the HUSBZB is certainly closer). No I haven't added any new devices, it was the last one

I think i'll try turning off those RGB lights at the power source, and re-adding the sensor and see what happens

[amber gull]

Use case for exposing device parent -- perhaps on device info (storing parent history would be useful but seems no easy way to do so)

[open creek]

it would be nice to be able to exclude devices from being hubs too (if possible). I've read these OSRAM lights don't work well as routers

[molten linden]

I never had a stable zigbee network until I ditched OSRAM

[open creek]

what's a good RGB indoor flood light to use then?

[amber gull]

You can take advantage of the fact that these devices rarely change parents.

[molten linden]

BR30?

[amber gull]

Re-pair it on coordinator or known good router using "add devices from this device"

[molten linden]

The ledvance manufactured lights sold as Smart+ from slyvania are decent. I have 5 br30's and they have been reliable.

[mighty river]

@austere patio Yep, battery powered. I recently purchased a motion/light sensor and I couldn't get it to work with HA... states would get stuck and it wouldn't update.. I hope you're right!

[open creek]

weird, the visualization still shows it connected via a grey line to one of the lights

what do the numbers on the lines mean?

looking at the BR30, they are either $13, but in a Philips Hue box they are $49 !

[amber gull]

I think the scan to update the map is every four hours

Numbers are on the lines are LQI/RSSI

[open creek]

ahh. I am going to leave these OSRAM lights off overnight, hopefully the network will heal around them

Thank you all for the assistance

[amber gull]

You did manually re-pair xiaomi?

As they don't auto heal

[open creek]

yes, i added it right from the hususb

[amber gull]

Perfect

Good luck!

[open creek]

Ahh i see, the cheap-o BR30s are just white, the fancy RGB one is $49.. lol

[dire willow]

So, i wanted to put a door/window sensor outside to know if/when my gate opened, but because of the weather the battery life of a 180mAH battery is only 2 months, which is a lot of work to go outside, open up a weather proof box every 2 months....

So, i swapped out the 3v 180mAH battery for 2 AAA's - 3v at 2000mAH and am excited about the potential of 2 years of outdoor battery life

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VdojpqhxTFyUpXWu9

[amber gull]

Banana for scale please Drew?

Jk, nice job!

What type of AAAs are you using?

[austere patio]

How cold does it have to be for a CR2032 to last only two months?

[dire willow]

Just regular duracells
added a banana picture into the album FYI

TX: Summer- 100+ degrees
TX: Winter - we got to the 30's!

but, it WRECKS the batteries

and even so, just having to go out there and open it up and change the batteries is annoying

[austere patio]

I think I change my outdoor Xiaomi sensor's battery once every year or so and it stays pretty well below freezing during the winter months over here

Which door sensor is this?

Maybe it eats batteries or something

[dire willow]

it was a Smarthings MP sensor

now it is a linkind simple open/close sensor

either way, this way i never have to think about it again

[austere patio]

Nice!

[worldly heart]

I need to know if I'm doing something wrong with this sonoff zbbridge and zha

it takes forever to ever add anything and some of the devices (which should be compatible) I've still not been able to add

and I've gotten these tradfri bulbs added, switches show up but they do nothing

and they're different for each bulb

is it really just this flaky?

just got 2 of the same tradfri dimmer switch added no problem, then the 3rd gets added but incomplete and doesn't look like it wants to reconfigure

and it's impossible to delete any of these incorrectly added devices

[mighty river]

The one Hue bulb is still not cooperating.
I have different generations of Osram bulbs in use. Any chance to identify which ones might be bad and should get replaced?

How do I identify a bad hub?

[quaint belfry]

Hi all

I want to make my home assistant high available. Running de mosquitto broker in ha is no problem (I use proxmox with ceph cluster). But how can I make my zigbee network redundant? Is it possible to make 2 coordinators in the same network?

[quaint belfry]

I can relate to this problem. For me a few times it helped to stop de zigbee2mqtt service, plug out the USB stick for 30 seconds, plug it back in and start the zigbee2mqtt service again

[quaint belfry]

You should pair your devices really close to the USB stick. Also make sure there is no wifi accesspoint close to where you pair your devices. The wifi is interfering with zigbee's network.

[sour shadow]

CC2531 sticks are ... problematic

[mighty river]

I have one spare Hue bulb at hand that I could use to replace one of the Osram bulbs. Question is: Which one?

Also: Are the Osram light strips also potential candidates that could disrupt proper connections?

[mighty river]

This is the best graphical representation I can manage with reasonable effort: https://share.icloud.com/photos/0mqgtBLpcWRRm2gvULxzzDGSA
As visible: “Wandseite” is again disconnected for no apparent reason.

[mighty river]

I rebooted the gateway to see how the connections build up. A few minutes after rebooting it looks like this: https://share.icloud.com/photos/0Ztd2QlE4S93G5--jtRLwpNaQ

I fail to understand why especially that one bulb is connecting to far away hubs and not the ones closer to it.

[mighty river]

Hmm. A little later there is a green connection between the neighboring bulbs now, which wasn't there when the device went offline.
I still lack the understand of how and when other devices are chosen as hubs by a certain device and what causes the connection to go stale.

[golden vessel]

so, z2m, deconz or zha?

😄 I'm kidding...

[tropic depot]

What a way to start the day...

[violet dew]

i'm starting out with my zigbee setup, using ZHA. Just added a smoke detector and only get the battery and binary sensor. do you guys know if/how i can change settings on the smoke detector? is it possible through the zha.issue_zigbee_cluster_command or set_zigbee_cluster_command?

[junior meteor]

A good first info would be to tell us what smoke detector it is 😛

[violet dew]

it's a Honeywell smoke detector.

where would I find documentation on what commands and settings are available. is that documentation available at all?

[lilac wharf]

@golden vessel ZHA2DECONZ

[junior meteor]

I know Aqara or Xiaomi devices are pretty flaky. Have you tried re-pairing it? Maybe re-pair it while you push the button every few seconds so it doesn't go to sleep?

[violet dew]

I don't have a problem with connectivity or pairing. I just don't know how to use the advanced options and want to learn 🙂

[sour shadow]

Are you sure the smoke detector supports changing the settings?

[junior meteor]

Ooooh, sorry then

[violet dew]

No, I have no idea.

[sour shadow]

Then you should check 😉

Hopefully it has a manual that's not just how to pair

[violet dew]

The manual that came with it is in chinese 😄

[violet dew]

any chance you could help me getting started with checking? I've been going through the Manage Clusters option in ZHA to browse through the available options there. Do I need documentation for the device to be able to use that or can I use my trial and error method?

[sour shadow]

I don't use ZHA

All I can recommend is finding the manual/certification/etc for it and seeing what they document

[trim ore]

Using Zigbee2Mqtt my switches aren't showing up properly. I get "action, battery, linkquality, update_state," components for each one. But the main action is a "sensor" object when it needs to be a "automation / input_boolean / remote / scene / script / vacuum" for homekit to understand it as a switch and not a motion sensor.

[sour shadow]

Then those aren't switches, but "remotes" that send button press information

You'd have to use an input_boolean and wrap that with an automation that updates the state based on the button pushes

[trim ore]

Huh weird. When I was on homebridge these switches showed up as switches in homekit with no problem

[sour shadow]

Just means that software behaves differently

[trim ore]

So how can I convert them to behave as switches in HA?

[sour shadow]

#zigbee-archived message

[trim ore]

Yeah im just walking through creating the automation - I have the "on action" as the trigger but what am I putting for the action?

Also is this going to cause issues for switches with multiple buttons?

On homebridge these are passed forward as a single switch object with multiple buttons but if I have to pass each one as a seperate variable will it lose that link ?

[sour shadow]

Best place for help with automations would be #automations-archived 😉

[trim ore]

Sure - seems like this is going to be a pain to implement to work around the incorrect behaviour from the zigbee side

Is there not an option to assign how the device is presented from zigbee2mqtt?

[lilac wharf]

What device is this?

[trim ore]

Ikea Trafidi Switch

[lilac wharf]

That round remote?

[trim ore]

No the square one: https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/tradfri-wireless-dimmer-white-00468432/

Its a two button switch

[sour shadow]

It's still a remote, not a switch

[lilac wharf]

Yep

[sour shadow]

You could ask the folks on the Z2M Discord, and suggest a change, but I'd be surprised

[lilac wharf]

It's not incorrect behavior unfortunately

ZHA wouldn't expose that as a switch either

Deconz probably wouldn't either

[trim ore]

I mean it kind of is incorrect behaviour as the switch presents as a motion sensor

incorrect / inconsistent depending on what you want to call it but its not how it should be IMO

[lilac wharf]

It reports as a binary sensor?

[trim ore]

Let me check

[sour shadow]

I'd be shocked if it turned up as a motion sensor

[trim ore]

I belive this is the action name "sensor.0xec1bbdfffed0a229_action"

so "sensor"

[lilac wharf]

Normal

[trim ore]

ok maybe im misunderstanding then :S

[sour shadow]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/E1743.html#manual-home-assistant-configuration

[violet dagger]

what do you expect?

[lilac wharf]

That's the sensor that reports what button was pressed

[sour shadow]

Unless it latches in the on and off state, it's not an actual switch

You can keep pushing off, or on, without using the other button

[violet dew]

I moved my hue remotes from hue bridge to zha. only way to act on button presses for me is to listen to zha_event message.

[lilac wharf]

For reference, ZHA wouldn't expose an entity at all for that. You'd have to listen for zha_events or use a Device:tm: trigger if supported

[trim ore]

Ok, sure. Then I think I need it to be presented as one of: automation / input_boolean / remote / scene / script / vacuum for the homekit plugin to recognise it as a "switch object"

[amber gull]

Just make a input_boolean and a automation to toggle it from the remote then?

[lilac wharf]

Exactly what Tinkerer suggested earlier lol

[violet dew]

I created a node-red flow that listens to zha_events and does some stuff with each button press

[trim ore]

Sure, works for a single button but would that mean that the multiple buttons would appear as separate switches in homekit?

becasue typically homekit can group the buttons into a single switch object

[lilac wharf]

No, just toggle the boolean based on which button was pressed on the remote

On pressed == boolean on
Off pressed == boolean off

[trim ore]

That doesnt work though becasue I want the buttons to appear as discrete buttons. Currently The switch (through homebridge) shows up in homekit as the switch object - then inside the settings I can set each button on the switch individually

[sour shadow]

I want a switch, but I also want buttons

[violet dagger]

maybe you should use a real latching switch instead?

[sour shadow]

🤔

[lilac wharf]

Ok so same concept but two booleans and one boolean turns the other off

[trim ore]

I dont seem to be able to send images in this channel so cant illustrate it

[obsidian sandal]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Command '~images' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[sour shadow]

Because too many idiots idiots post code as images otherwise

[trim ore]

Ok so this is how the switch currently presents in homebridge (and how it should present). Its a two button switch. https://imgur.com/a/m9C3JJM

[sour shadow]

You can certainly fake that with automations and a bit of work

[trim ore]

Exactly but "a bit of work" is what im trying to avoid

[sour shadow]

Ah well...

[trim ore]

since homebridge correctly identifies and passes the switch through correctly without me having to go in a fiddle wit hit all

[lilac wharf]

I have some bad news for you, you might have picked the wrong home automation software 😛

[sour shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-wesley-life-is-gif-4559228

[violet dew]

https://imgur.com/87thKg6 this is my node-red flow for a single 4 button hue dimmer switch

[lilac wharf]

In all seriousness, unfortunately some stuff does require some tweaking like this

[sour shadow]

The power and flexibility of HA means that some assembly may be required

[lilac wharf]

Now if I could just find my damn 10mm socket

[trim ore]

Thats unfortunate. So to get this switch to work I would have to create a binary_sensor and an automation to pass through the values? Then pass that binary sensor down to homekit?

[lilac wharf]

Input boolean

[fiery ivy]

Hello all ZigBee pros... just connected a ConBee II and it was found by the ZHA integration (I see the ConBee Serial) but when I search for it doesn't find any of my two Lidl Switches that are in flashing pairing mode.

Is there anything else I need to activate / install to get Zigbee working on my HA w ConBee2? ( I have tried googling but as I understand it ZHA should be able to ZigBee without other modules / parts)

[trim ore]

How do I create that input_boolean and can I link it to the switch object so it appears as an entity under the device?

[lilac wharf]

You can't

[dry fossil]

Ignore devices, they're (mostly) pointless.

You care about entities and automations.

[lilac wharf]

Eh, I wouldn't say they're pointless

[dry fossil]

Mostly 😄

[trim ore]

ok so how woudl I create the entity?

[obsidian sandal]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/input_boolean/

Command '.input_boolean' was invoked by: Tediore

[trim ore]

I have to do it through the config YAML??

[sour shadow]

No, you can do it in the UI

This is more on topic in #integrations-archived (and then later #automations-archived) though

[dawn kestrel]

Does anybody knows if the roller blind motor from Zemismart is working with ZHA?

https://a.aliexpress.com/_BPtDqm

Or is there a Tasmota flashable WiFi variant avaiable?

[dry fossil]

Did you check the list? https://zigbee.blakadder.com/covers.html

@dawn kestrel ☝️

[leaden raptor]

Getting my zzh stick today, should I fully retire the 2 cc2531 sticks or run them as routers? I was planning to run them as routers but keep reading they are problematic. I have a small network.

[lilac wharf]

Keeping them as routers should be fine

Love my ZZH btw

The little antenna is so cute 😂

it's just doing the best it can

[leaden raptor]

I had no real complains with the cc2531s but I’m sure they would have struggled as my network grows. The aqara motion sensors had a little delay which I hope disappears with the zzh but no biggie.

My rpi3b running zigbee2mqtt and zwave2mqtt locks up every 4 days or so, that’s something I do need to look into at some point.

[dawn kestrel]

Thanks, i see it's working with zigbee to mqtt.

[dry fossil]

And if it works with one, it can probably be made to work with any.

[austere patio]

The list isn't exhaustive, so it may work with ZHA as well as long as it's standards compliant or someone has already written a quirk for it

[sour shadow]

ISTR the ZHA dev said that if there's a Z2M config for it, it's a lot easier to create a ZHA quirk

[austere patio]

Copy+paste 😎

[dry fossil]

Plagiarism 🤣

Kidding... it's open source

[austere patio]

Hey, it goes both ways so it's fair

[sour shadow]

It's called research not plagiarism 😛

[junior meteor]

Instead of such discussions I think we have to fight the biggest evil together: Manufacturers that just don't want to be standards compliant 😩

Still angry at these two Terncy devices that are laying on the table because I can't update them to make them work lmao

[austere patio]

Do they need a hub for OTA or something?

[junior meteor]

Unfortunately yeah

Or at least I couldn't find like downloadable OTAs from the website

And since I don't have the hub, I can't try to sniff that out

[sour shadow]

So, you're saying... pretty much all of them 😛

I'm hopeful that Zigbee 3.0 will help here, but early signs are not enough

Looking at you Konke

[austere patio]

We just have to pool together $75k and get on the Zigbee alliance

[junior meteor]

Now that's a crowdfund I can get behind

[austere patio]

I'm sure in-person meetings with the people responsible for hundreds of hours of quirk work will end well

In all seriousness, I'm sure they could spare a $10/mo server to host OTA updates for every new Zigbee device. At ~200kb each, they'd all probably fit on a little CD with room to spare.

[junior meteor]

Do updates have to go through the alliance again?

[austere patio]

At the moment, just about everything related to OTA is left up to the manufacturer.

[junior meteor]

So... technically a manufacturer could decide to first follow the specs and then break them with updates?

[austere patio]

Dunno how certification works with that. I assume they just check whatever device you bring in and then hope you don't break it with an update

Little room for that when 99% of devices are copy+pasted SDK demo apps

[red walrus]

morning gentleman, can anyone recommend a not too expensive wall mounted temp sensor that works with ZHA with no flashing?

[lilac wharf]

Zigbee devices don't require flashing

Aqara "weather" sensor is a popular choice

[red walrus]

the smartlife ones might

[lilac wharf]

Those are WiFi based

[red walrus]

thanks I'll take a look

actually no, their temp sensors are all Zigbee now

[lilac wharf]

Zigbee devices can't be flashed with Tasmota/ESPHome if that's what you mean