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mighty river
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I have Hue Tap Switch (several of them...) - is it better to use Hue bridge and integration via Bridge to get events, or by using Z2M to get the events?

I can use both, looking for recommendation/advice

gritty nimbus
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it doesn't have a boot button.. actually there is no button on ZBDongle-P

forest cobalt
mighty river
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thanks.

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@forest cobalt do you also have the hue lights, connected to Z2M?

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if yes, are you able to effectively dim the lights by holding the button?

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for instance via the hub, if you send too many commands, lights become irresponsive for some time, I think due to hub limitations

forest cobalt
# mighty river <@534201530895564800> do you also have the hue lights, connected to Z2M?

I have a few Hue bulbs, yeah. But I don't do any kind of dimming, tbh. At least not via buttons and/or remotes. However, yes, you are going to experience issues with the hub doing that sort of thing because HA communicates with it over the API, so it's not handled on the hub itself. So, if you are planning on dimming bulbs and such, you might be better off staying with the Hue hub.

mighty river
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I'd like to use the Tap switch rotation

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to dim complete room by X percent, from whatever is the current setup

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that being said, it looks like it is better I make an update and use Z2M for all

grim igloo
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Yep

mighty river
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inputs (buttons) and outputs (lights)

grim igloo
forest cobalt
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Yup, If you are going to do that, it's better to have them all in one ecosystem.

mighty river
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there are 2 options, with dimmer you have on/off buttons + "volume" up/down

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with tap, you have a rotation wheel

grim igloo
mighty river
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lovely, I'm currently at cca 35

grim igloo
mighty river
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how do you manage the "rooms" and "zones" to effectively reduce number of zigbee messages sent over network?

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using clusters ?

grim igloo
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But you can do hold down for brightness to go up or down at least mine are setup that way

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I’ve never touched clusters that’s for binding like a light switch and a bulb

mighty river
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so if you have like 5 bulbs in a room, these bulbs are assigned to "living room" homeassistant room

grim igloo
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You have zigbee groups that would do the same thing of a zone in hue

mighty river
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yes, groups is what I'll need to have a look at I guess

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thanks to both of you, great insights!

forest cobalt
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I would go with Z2M groups before HA groups.

mighty river
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So Z2M groups first, which will create new entity (I guess?) and then this entity is to be assigned to HA Room/Zone/Group (whatever is the naming)?

forest cobalt
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Yup

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For instance, I have a group in Z2M of 6 lights in my bathroom. They come over to HA as light.bathroom_lights. Single entity and done. 🙂

grim igloo
mighty river
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looks like I will be super busy today

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😄

grim igloo
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I have 11 hue bulbs in my kitchen perfectly turning on in sync

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Didn’t work right in hue bridge but perfect in z2m

mighty river
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so the only thing I will lose is Hue app that I used to setup colors for scenes, which I can replace by HA dashboard

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I'll survive I guess

grim igloo
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You lose dynamic music effect stuff

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But i never used those

mighty river
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ah not a big deal here

grim igloo
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You can do that with led strips and wled / ledfx / prismatik

mighty river
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I have 2 let strips in the kitchen and bathroom

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but indeed I don't want epilepsy, so not real fan of these lights with music

forest cobalt
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lol I have a few Aqara T1 led strips that do music lighting. It was cool for about 10 minutes, lol.

mighty river
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I tried at least hue music, so I can say that it worked 😄

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now, the last question, tricky part

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what's the simplest way to get lights "unplugged" from hue

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and plugged to Z2M ?

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any clue on that?

sour shadow
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Unpair them from Hue, pair them to Z2M

forest cobalt
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When you remove them from the Hue app, they get reset.

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Sometimes that fails (because Hue). When that happens, you can use a dimmer remote to reset them.

grim igloo
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Then add sensors last or dimmers etc

mighty river
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guys

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this is awesome

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just tested with new setup

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really appreciating the help and quick response here!

gritty nimbus
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I'm trying to reset my Zigbee dongle. I've used cc2338-bsl to flash the firmware. So I did py python cc2538-bsl.py -p COM5 -b 115200 C:\Users\gabin\Downloads\CC1352P2_CC2652P_launchpad_coordinator_20230507.hex but it said : "Opening port COM5, baud 115200
Connecting to target...
ERROR: Timeout waiting for ACK/NACK after 'Synch (0x55 0x55)'"
So I used a prog "uartLog.py" to open the port. After that, I did the same command and it put : " Opening port COM5, baud 115200
Connecting to target...
CC1350 PG2.1 (7x7mm): 352KB Flash, 20KB SRAM, CCFG.BL_CONFIG at 0x00057FD8
Primary IEEE Address: 00:12:4B:00:30:CA:8A:D2
ERROR: int() can't convert non-string with explicit base". However, I used the file Sonoff gave me so I don't understand the problem.... Script: https://electrolama.com/radio-docs/flash-cc-bsl/
Firmware: https://github.com/Koenkk/Z-Stack-firmware/blob/master/coordinator/Z-Stack_3.x.0/bin/CC1352P2_CC2652P_launchpad_coordinator_20230507.zip

wintry scroll
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I have a Sonoff ZBMini (https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/ZBMINI.html) recently installed. It flashes green. I cannot get it to show up, at all, in z2m. I have turned off the power to it to make sure it is in pairing mode, with no success. I've put another Zigbee device next to it, which has 200 linkquality, so that's not the issue. Z2M is in pairing mode. Any ideas?

mighty river
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Does Z2M support group inside a group? I'm trying to implement "light.home" functionality, that would toggle all groups (rooms) in a synchronized manner.

austere patio
tardy path
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Hi all, I was recently having issues with my Zigbee setup. HA could no longer see my Zigbee devices. The integration page showed an error like it had problems with the USB stick. In an attempt to fix it I removed the integration. My issue is I cannot re-add Zigbee because HA says it is already configured. How can I fully reset Zigbee in HA?

distant schooner
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would prefer the poe tube but this price is hard to pass up

sour shadow
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In short ... terribly

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The Sonoff P has known hardware problems

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If you want a cheap ass stick then the Sonoff E is ok

modern surge
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Today, the mailman brought my Zigbee USB dongle, and now I've already set it up along with all my devices in Home Assistant. It was ridiculously easy! But now, the real problem is, what on earth am I going to do with the rest of my day??

sour shadow
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Order more stuff from AliExpress

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(then forget you've done so and order yet more)

distant schooner
sour shadow
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Tube or SMLight

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Tube actively supports the community, which IMO is a measurable plus point

distant schooner
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agreed

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its the best option i have seen

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just a hit to the paycheck lol

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anyone spot anything else worth grabbing to start your setup on prime day?

mighty river
fossil crystal
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My current coordinate broken and I ordered a Sonoff (coming today), do I need to go around and pair all my zigbee devices to this new coordinator? I have the json files from back in the zigbee2mqtt installation.

weary flicker
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Hello, I am looking for a swimming pool thermometer to integrate into home assistant (if possible via zigbee), and to my great surprise I cannot find what I am looking for.
Do you have any products to recommend to me?

austere patio
fossil crystal
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It snapped in half as I was trying to reseat it.. It was in the server for years and its a bit flimsy (the body of it)

austere patio
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Oh, that kind of broken 😄

fossil crystal
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It's cheap so for now I'll let it sit on the side while I bought a new one to use and will troubleshoot the other one later (if needed)

forest cobalt
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That's just a flesh wound... lol

fossil crystal
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True, but the antenna came off so I need to resolder that

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Im guessig I'll have to re-pair everything again? 😦

forest cobalt
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What was the coordinator you had originally?

austere patio
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Things should just magically work once you update the serial port path (assuming the coordinator doesn't arrive with network settings pre-loaded)

fossil crystal
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It was that CXXXX one, I bought on ebay, small unit / flashed

forest cobalt
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Wouldn't that require a coordinator_backup.json though? And yeah, the PAN/ePAN will have to match.

austere patio
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Z2M makes one and I think supports cross-adapter migration by now?

forest cobalt
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I think so... haven't actually done it as my coordinator refuses to die so I can get a new one 😉

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Damn Tube and his quality coordinators. lol

fossil crystal
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So we are thinking the new coordinate install, change configuraiton.yaml to right port an it'll auto-magic work? 🤞

forest cobalt
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Should work that way.

fossil crystal
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Will test and report back, thanks!

weak dirge
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Is there a way to force a route for a device? I have one that is connecting directly to the coordinator with an LQI of 1 and there are 2 routers that are a lot closer.

forest cobalt
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BUT, the end device may not stay on that router if it determines that a better path exists.

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Also, LQI is point in time and doesn't really mean much.

dusky flint
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Hello, recently some of my entities stop responding from time to time. In the Z2M log, I get this. What does it mean?

[2024-07-16 21:10:01] error:     zh:ezsp:ezsp: Unparsed frame 0xc4. Skipped
[2024-07-16 21:10:06] error:     zh:ezsp:ezsp: Frame changeSourceRouteHandler parsing error: RangeError: Attempt to access memory outside buffer bounds
    at new NodeError (node:internal/errors:405:5)
    at boundsError (node:internal/buffer:86:11)
    at Buffer.readUInt16LE (node:internal/buffer:245:5)
    at Buffer.readUIntLE (node:internal/buffer:182:17)
    at Function.deserialize (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/types/basic.ts:19:67)
    at new EZSPFrameData (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/ezsp.ts:180:54)
    at /app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/ezsp.ts:154:23
    at Array.every (<anonymous>)
    at Function.createFrame (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/ezsp.ts:148:15)
    at Ezsp.onFrameReceived (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/ezsp.ts:439:35)
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And the error in the UI when trying to force a change of state:

Publish 'set' 'state' to 'A Kontor Bordslampa' failed: 'Error: ZCL command 0x680ae2fffe154f7e/1 genOnOff.off({}, {"timeout":10000,"disableResponse":false,"disableRecovery":false,"disableDefaultResponse":false,"direction":0,"srcEndpoint":null,"reservedBits":0,"manufacturerCode":null,"transactionSequenceNumber":null,"writeUndiv":false}) failed (Timeout - 36047 - 1 - 10 - 6 - 11 after 10000ms)'
forest cobalt
dusky flint
forest cobalt
dusky flint
forest cobalt
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This is your fault @molten linden ^^^ 😉

molten linden
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Can’t believe I’ve been doing this for 4 years… that’s the crazy thing

forest cobalt
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Seriously... But man... you need to stop building quality products 😉 I want to give you more money! lol

molten linden
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Sadly more often than not I hear about the ones that have issues. So it’s not all stars and happiness 🤷🏼‍♂️

mighty river
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Z2M -> it is not possible to update the scene config once you have created it ?

forest cobalt
forest cobalt
mighty river
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I'm reading around the web that scenes in Z2M are more smooth than in HA

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maybe I'm missing something obviously.

forest cobalt
short galleon
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The buttons don't light up like the manual says they would. According to it that happens when it's connected to a hub as at that point they expect you to use the app

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the question then is what does the app call to set it

mighty river
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in general, I'm trying to achieve 2 things:

  • Have different scenes that I can control with Hue Tap -> this I can get easily done, but I'm wondering if Z2M scenes can be updated once they are created. Maybe I will switch to HA scenes instead
  • And then a possibility to have a motion that will put all lights to max brightness and after that back to the values they were before. I hoped a group can be used but I have to use entity-by-entity in the dynamic scene to capture the state before I change to full brightness.

I will move my ass to HA scenes 😄

forest cobalt
# short galleon the question then is what does the app call to set it

So, the app does the same thing that ZHA/Z2M does. Issues cluster commands. But, if it's paired to HA, you shouldn't need the physical buttons at all. On the device page, there should be either limits calibration buttons OR a dropdown. That's how it is on my E1 curtain motors at least.

forest cobalt
weak dirge
forest cobalt
mighty river
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For #2, it does not capture every light separately, when activating scene back, it sets all lights to the same state. I tested with group generated from Z2M, and with group generated in HA Groups helper.

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so the only solution I have is to list all entities, which I can live with, unless I could use the "variable" that would populate list of entities in the automation

forest cobalt
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Dongle P or Dongle E? For the P, you'd use the silabs flasher. For the E, you need the z-stack firmware in koenkk's repo.

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@dusky flint ^^^

dusky flint
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Yeah I just learnt to read, thanks! 😄 Erhm, not that I don't know, but would you happen to know... how I find out which verison I've got

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....it might say on the back

molten linden
forest cobalt
dusky flint
forest cobalt
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Yup. that would be the one.

dusky flint
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Sorry, I could probably google my way to that

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...or maybe not

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Or just go with 7.3?

forest cobalt
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The link is in the pins. First pin I think.

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No, you need 7.4

dusky flint
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Oh, nice!

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Thanks for the help guys! Unfortunately the original error persists 🤥

dusky flint
forest cobalt
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It's still happening after the firmware update? What version of Z2M are you using?

dusky flint
forest cobalt
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I'm guessing the flash probably didn't take. I don't have the Sonoff dongle, so I can't really test it here.

dusky flint
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I think it did - Settings -> About in Z2M:

Zigbee2MQTT version
1.39.0 commit: unknown
Typ av Koordinator
EmberZNet
Koordinatorrevision
7.4.1 [GA]

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There are two zigbee devices afaik that seems to have dropped connection. One Hue Remote and one IKEA bulb (ie one end device and one router). Perhaps more

forest cobalt
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Have you tried to re-pair them? That might clear it up.

weak dirge
forest cobalt
dusky flint
dusky flint
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I've got 29 mains powered devices. Maybe it cant handle more?

forest cobalt
dusky flint
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Whats the best option these days? Thats in stock and ships to the cold north

forest cobalt
dusky flint
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Thanks. @molten linden? 😇 I would prefer to not do PoE preferably. Skyconnect would also be an option for me, it's on sale here as well. Does it support more devices?

grim igloo
dusky flint
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Ehrm

forest cobalt
grim igloo
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Not really

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He didn’t need tube or ask a question that tube needed to answer

dusky flint
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I didn't need the etiquette police coming out of nowhere either tbh

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I did however need to know if he delivers to Sweden 🙂

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If he's bothered by it, I'm sure he can let me know himself.

grim igloo
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Yikes

molten linden
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yes I ship world wide.

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(where allowed by law)

molten linden
dusky flint
molten linden
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I will be, it will also change to allow choice of radio cc2652p2, cc2652p7 or ef32 MGM24.

weak dirge
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if i change the channel of my coordinator in zigbee2mqtt will i have to go back and repair everything?

timid vault
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It does anyone for that matter.

grim igloo
timid vault
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I can work with that

grim igloo
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youd have to compare tech specs

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i'd personally go hue unless you put two bulbs side by side and really like the other

timid vault
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I mainly want something really nice, like yuji quality

grim igloo
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both are philips

timid vault
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Right yeah I have hue already

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Also I have done wled as well so may just diy some stuff

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I’m also trying to replace some old blown under cabinet fixtures

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But mainly I just want a WiFi bulb with really inviting warm light

dusky flint
grim igloo
storm palm
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Is there any way to make a trigger for an automation when a Zigbee device becomes offline?

tropic depot
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Yes if using ZHA there is an event that is fired when the device goes offline and when the device becomes available

storm palm
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Unfortunately I have set it up with Z2M

tropic depot
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I’d bet they have something similar. Their docs are decent. Give them a search

fossil crystal
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Here's the error I got @forest cobalt when trying to use the Sonoff (replacing broken coordinate)

Jul 16 19:49:22 broker npm[10074]: [2024-07-16 19:49:22] #033[32minfo#033[39m: #011z2m: Logging to console, file (filename: log.log)
Jul 16 19:49:22 broker npm[10074]: [2024-07-16 19:49:22] #033[32minfo#033[39m: #011z2m: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.39.0 (commit #0326926)
Jul 16 19:49:22 broker npm[10074]: [2024-07-16 19:49:22] #033[32minfo#033[39m: #011z2m: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.50.1)
Jul 16 19:49:23 broker npm[10074]: [2024-07-16 19:49:23] #033[33mwarning#033[39m: #011zh:ezsp: Deprecated driver 'ezsp' currently in use, 'ember' will become the officially supported EmberZNet driver in next release. If using Zigbee2MQTT see https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/discussions/21462
Jul 16 19:49:23 broker npm[10074]: [2024-07-16 19:49:23] #033[31merror#033[39m: #011zh:ezsp:uart: Error: <-- CRC error: f17e|f1|ffff
Jul 16 19:49:23 broker npm[10074]: [2024-07-16 19:49:23] #033[31merror#033[39m: #011zh:ezsp:uart: Error while parsing to NpiFrame 'Error: <-- CRC error: f17e|f1|ffff
Jul 16 19:49:23 broker npm[10074]:     at Frame.checkCRC (/opt/zigbee2mqtt/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/frame.ts:87:19)
...
storm palm
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By default the published availability payload is in legacy mode (online/offline).

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In your example is event_data: { "device_event_type": "device_offline" } the same as the GUI showing "Became unavailable"?

tropic depot
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what I shared is ZHA specific

storm palm
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Is there a generic way to do it for any device?

tropic depot
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the state of the entities of the device should also switch to unavailable 🤷🏻‍♂️

storm palm
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I understand, but how would I lookup what that is called to use as a trigger?

tropic depot
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aside from that, someone more familiar with z2m will have to help

fossil crystal
nova plume
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I think its dead...

weak dirge
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I just dont get this. I have some smart blinds. I have my coordinator and 4 routers. 2 of the routers are MUCH closer to this blind I am setting up than the coordinator is. If i try to 'permit join router' it doesn't connect at all. but if i permit join all, it connects, but only connects to the coordinator and then has a lot of issues because it is much much further away. I thought maybe these blinds for some reason won't work with repeaters? but if i do 5 or 6 blinds, 2-3 of them will connect to one of the repeaters just fine. i have tried everything in terms of resetting and repairing.

lime drift
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Hi. I'm currently using a Sonoff V2 usb stick as coorinator with ZHA on my "prod" system.
I have another VM with my dev/testing/sandbox environment. No zigbee, plain default installation.
I would like to give a try with Z2m,mqtt on my dev environment (I still have some unused "cheap zigbee bulbs").
I have nothing to realy complain about Sonof, but i guess having 2 of these will be a pain to assign/recognize/fix/troubleshoot in proxmox (🤔 ).

lime drift
# weak dirge I just dont get this. I have some smart blinds. I have my coordinator and 4 rout...

I have the same behaviour. All "end devices" that are in range of the coordinator are catched by my coordianator during setup/pairing. Not a real problem as coordinator can/should handle plenty of direct connections. I'm using ZHA, i don't have your options :-(.
"End/dumb devices" once paired will not chose another router/coordinator. So if you change the behaviour of your coodinator to only allow routers, i can assume you will lose all "dumb device" paired with it. ( my assumption ! )

weak dirge
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I even unplugged the coordinator for 45 mins trying to get the devices to connect to the routers

fierce ledge
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Maybe someone here happens to know what imght be going wrong? I'm trying to move zigbee2mqtt from one host to another (both are proxmox lxc's). Per the documentation, I copied over the config files from the data directory, but the new z2m instance refuses to start up, because it expects the pan_id to be a number or GENERATE. In the config that I copied over it's actually secret.yaml which, according to the docs, should also work. So I'm a bit confused what's going wrong and how I can move my z2m instance properly, without having to repair everything etc.

lime drift
fierce ledge
# lime drift A backup/restore may be? ( i have done that with succcess with pi-hole LXC ) Or ...

You mean backup and restore the entire lxc? Yeah, that's not really an option I think 😅 , because I used tteck's proxmox scripts to set up a z2m container and there was an option for a lightweight Alpine-based z2m instance. So I choose that one, but apparantly the Alpine z2m version is way behind the normal z2m release so I want to move to a non-Alpine container now

So I setup a 2nd (non-Alpine) lxc which seems to work fine, but I can't seem to copy my z2m config as-is 😕

lime drift
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what do you mean by "Alpine Z2M", you'v setup an LXC container using a "preconfigured" stuff ??? mmm 😕
And now <music on> "You want to get freeee..." <music off>

fierce ledge
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For z2m there was a 2nd option listed for an Alpine-based instance. without much thought I went for that one. Which apparantly wasn't the greatest of ideas 😅

gritty nimbus
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okay I needed to take off the shell find those buttons haha. So I press the Boot button, as I turn off my device, then I power it up, then I put it in the serial port and then I stop pressing the Boot button. And now I flash my firmware with 2538-bsl, that's right ?

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there is also a "RST" button I don't know if it means restart or rest but I would assume to restart it I just turn it off/On with the switch

sour shadow
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That should work

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Or use the other tool that does that for you

gritty nimbus
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It doesnt work 😢 it says the same error : "python cc2538-bsl.py -p COM5 -b 115200 C:\Users\gabin\Downloads\CC1352P2_CC2652P_launchpad_coordinator_20230507.hex
Opening port COM5, baud 115200
Connecting to target...
ERROR: Timeout waiting for ACK/NACK after 'Synch (0x55 0x55)'"

sour shadow
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Maybe you broke your stick with a bad flash - the wrong firmware

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Maybe it's already in use

gritty nimbus
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What's the tool that does that for me ?

gritty nimbus
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I used a code to open my serial port (maybe it's the tool you meant), but then I've got "Opening port COM5, baud 115200
Connecting to target...
CC1350 PG2.1 (7x7mm): 352KB Flash, 20KB SRAM, CCFG.BL_CONFIG at 0x00057FD8
Primary IEEE Address: 00:12:4B:00:30:CA:8A:D2
ERROR: int() can't convert non-string with explicit base" So I never succeeded to flash my firmware I think

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my bad I pinged you

sour shadow
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You're sure it's the P?

gritty nimbus
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Yes, "Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus"

sour shadow
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There's two of those

gritty nimbus
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Plus doesnt mean P ?

sour shadow
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Can also mean E

gritty nimbus
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aaaah, and do you think this message "Opening port COM5, baud 115200
Connecting to target...
CC1350 PG2.1 (7x7mm): 352KB Flash, 20KB SRAM, CCFG.BL_CONFIG at 0x00057FD8
Primary IEEE Address: 00:12:4B:00:30:CA:8A:D2
ERROR: int() can't convert non-string with explicit base" can mean I flash the firmware with wrong one ? Or just that I didn't succeed to flash ? Just to be sure i didn't destroy my dongle...

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how do I know which one is it between P and E ? I didn't find the information in the flyer they give with the dongle

sour shadow
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Probably means it didn't flash it

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Where did you order it from?

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Have you tried asking Sonoff for support?

gritty nimbus
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Yes I have tried they are fast like you haha, I have no answer since 2 days

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Ok i find the information it’s a ZBDongle-P

sour shadow
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Then try flashing on Linux

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If that fails too then the stick is broken

gritty nimbus
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It’s the same method with Linux ?

sour shadow
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Yes, and the same docs 😉

gritty nimbus
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ok boss thanks i'll try that

lethal ruin
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Solved, solution below.

Hey guys, I have Tuya 0601 (temperature&humidity sensor with time display). I found a custom quirk that makes it working with ZHA, even the time sync and everything. Only problem is that my sensor is now showing tempearure in Fahrenheits on the display. In the official tuya app you could change between celsius and fahrenheit, there's no physical button for it on the device. There is a function in the quirk for celsius x fahrenheit, but I am not sure how to set it in the device. Can anyone help me?

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I went into "manage zigbee device" and selected "TuyaTemperatureMeasurement" cluster, and attribute "temp_unit_convert", but I am not sure what to write in the value. Value was empty if I tried to read the attribute. I tried "Celsius", and I tried "0x00" but nothing worked.

lime drift
lethal ruin
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Ah, my bad, there's a switch in the device info, which is just called Switch, it does nothing on its own, because the device is a bit lazy, but if you wake up the device by pressing the only button on top, and then switch the switch in the HA device info, it will actually change the temperature unit.

nocturne geyser
#

I'm using Conbee II with ZHA
Can anyone suggest a light switch for UK?
Device: Light Switch - UK
Budget: £0 - £100
Features: Dimming (optional), Easy Install (if possible too)
Colour: White
Please @ me

fiery hemlock
#

Hey a friend gave me a sonoff zb bridge they told me its flashed with tasmoto (they previously used it so it's not reset) I've only been able to get a flashing green light with no network showing up to be able to pair it, I've held it down for 5s and 10 and 40 and no luck. Need help thanks.

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Please @ me if you can help

tired ocean
#

Hey all,

Im looking for more information to force my zigbee sensors to update more frequently. At this moment i have 2 temperature and humidity sensors. Those sensors does update very late. How can i improve this? Im using ZHA as main application.

I have 2 humidity sensors + temperature sensors . One TS0201 and one is TS0601 Manufacturer according to ZHA is _TZ3000_fllyghyj and _TZE200_9yapgbuv which should not be correct i guess. On the boxes the model says TH08Z and ZTH02. The zigbee coordinator i use is the SMLight SLZB-06M

Sidenote: I could go over to Zigbee2MQTT if that could be a solution.

sour shadow
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ZHA? Zigbee2MQTT? deCONZ?

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What sensors are they? Make and model?

lime drift
sour shadow
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My Aqara sensors update every 0.2C and 0.1% humidity

austere patio
#

If it's a sensor that doesn't actually implement the Zigbee spec, it will do its own thing and ignore the above config. You'll also miss reports if your sensor can't communicate reliably due to interference or range issues.

tired ocean
rapid dawnBOT
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Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

sour shadow
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Use one of those to share the log file from Z2M

soft lichen
#

Is that to me?

sour shadow
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Yes

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Since you posted and then deleted

soft lichen
#

I think it’s a step ahead of me.

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Well I thought it was related to a previous discussion so I deleted my mistake.

sour shadow
#

I’m kind of confused Zigbee2MQTT says it’s still starting and to try again.
I do and it says 502 bad gateway.
So, that's not the case?

soft lichen
#

It is the case but I’m stepping a few steps back to help clarify that issue.

#

I do not have anything that explicitly says ZHA

#

I have an integration that says Zigbee

sour shadow
#

That's ZHA

soft lichen
#

But has the ZHA logo

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Okay great.

#

That’s helpful.

#

That is disabled.

#

If I try to delete HA says “Delete Home Assistant SkyConnect?”

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Which makes me think that’s wrong because I don’t want to delete the hardware.

sour shadow
#

Well, that's how ZHA shows up, so that's correct

soft lichen
#

Okay great.

sour shadow
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ZHA has the main name as the adapter... no idea why it does that, but it does

soft lichen
#

Word. I get it.

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I press delete and nothing happens.

sour shadow
#

Try to start Z2M

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When it fails, check and share the log

tired ocean
#

Theres a post on youtube which shows exactly which steps to take

soft lichen
#

That’s cool. I didn’t find it.

tired ocean
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Lemme find it

sour shadow
#

The docs are all you need

soft lichen
#

Thanks.

soft lichen
#

You say that but I did look at the docs.

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But I’ll try again.

sour shadow
tired ocean
sour shadow
soft lichen
#

So you can say the docs are all I need but clearly it doesn’t work right when on step 2 I’m stuck.

sour shadow
#

Then you don't have to worry about that

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Just move on

soft lichen
#

How would I know to just move on?

tired ocean
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Ive send you the youtube walkthrough to your PM

sour shadow
#

You know because it says it's already there...

soft lichen
#

Okay great. I’m glad you think that. I do appreciate the free help but this isn’t cut and dry.

#

They were not there when I first read through the docs.

#

I got the same error.

#

Instead I found them on my own and installed them.

#

On step 5 it says configuration.

#

I cannot configure it when ZHA stays.

#

Earlier you told me to enable ZHA

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It’s running.

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Let me copy the logs to pastbin.

sour shadow
#

No

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disable

grim igloo
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above he made sure zha was disabled right>?

sour shadow
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remove

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no zha

#

ZHA bad

tropic depot
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Hey now

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lol

tired ocean
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Wowowow zha bad? 😮

forest cobalt
#

People still use ZHA??? 😉

grim igloo
#

z2m takes control of the usb stick. unfortunately zha already has control of the usb stick so z2m cant take control of it and it is erroring out

tired ocean
#

Changing to Z2MQTT right away

sour shadow
#

Well, bad for setting up Z2M on the same stick 😄

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Pick one

tropic depot
#

For what that user is trying to do yes you can’t have both

tired ocean
soft lichen
grim igloo
soft lichen
#

And the m and a

grim igloo
#

if my grandma had wheels she would've been a bycicle - you probably ❤️ haha jk

soft lichen
#

Sorry I’m not smart enough to figure this all out. I thought since green came out and I’m using all the same gear from the same dev this would be easy. I’m glad you all know these like the back of your hand but I am learning.

soft lichen
#

But I appreciate your clarifications.

tired ocean
forest cobalt
soft lichen
tropic depot
#

Yeah where we fall down for the most part is Tuya

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Z2m device support crushes us there (for now)

tired ocean
grim igloo
soft lichen
#

I’ve deleted ZHA

forest cobalt
tropic depot
#

Agreed… but a lot of folks start with them or Xiaomi because the barrier to entry financially is much lower

forest cobalt
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But you guys have brought ZHA really far in terms of supporting Tuya devices too.

tropic depot
#

We’ll never shade Z2M it is a fantastic piece of software with an extremely impressive community that contributes device support

soft lichen
#

Then why does everyone say to use Z2M?

tired ocean
forest cobalt
soft lichen
#

That just takes me here.

forest cobalt
forest cobalt
# soft lichen ????

Z2M is really for 2 use cases: You have some devices that aren't supported well in ZHA and/or you want to run it standalone. I'm not a huge fan of running Z2M in an addon for various reasons.

soft lichen
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I guess I understand what you mean.

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Okay ZHA is deleted.

forest cobalt
#

Case in point: I run Z2M on a completely separate machine from HA. So, if HA goes down for whatever reason, I can still control all my Zigbee devices.

soft lichen
#

Got it.

#

That’s really clarifying

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Thank you.

forest cobalt
#

Running Z2M as an addon, you still have a reliance on HA being up and available.

tired ocean
tropic depot
#

That may be possible at some point with us too

forest cobalt
forest cobalt
molten linden
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lol

forest cobalt
#

Quit tempting me back to ZHA... lol

tired ocean
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Hhhhhh

tropic depot
#

We just migrated the entire app framework out of HA

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Into a lib

molten linden
#

quirks v2 is also super easy and will get easier right @tropic depot 😂

tropic depot
#

Once that stabilizes i think i may pick up the web socket server I worked on a couple years back

soft lichen
#

What in the logs am I looking for?

tropic depot
#

Not enough free time to do everything lol

molten linden
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not alone

grim igloo
soft lichen
#

I have nothing in the logs that correspond to me trying to start Z2M

grim igloo
soft lichen
soft lichen
tropic depot
#

Yep

soft lichen
#

I see now

grim igloo
#

addons are docker containers. home assistant logs are home assistant core logs. each addon will have its own log

soft lichen
#

That’s helpful.

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Thank you.

grim igloo
tropic depot
#

There is a selector in the logs screen in HA too

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Top right

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That you can use to switch the log you are. Looking at

grim igloo
#

damn i should've known that

tired ocean
grim igloo
#

the router would be www in this point

#

your "gateway" to the world

tired ocean
#

Looks good tho

soft lichen
tired ocean
#

Im getting a headache of this tuya Zigbee stuff. Going to have some free time now

soft lichen
#

I looked at the link mentioned and i don’t think it’s there.

sour shadow
#

What does your Z2M config look like?

soft lichen
#

I cannot configure anything since it won’t start

sour shadow
#

You have to do basic config before you start it

soft lichen
#

Where do I do basic config of Z2M?

sour shadow
#

See that link - all done in the add-on UI

soft lichen
#

Yes I’ve read that document.

sour shadow
#

Then... follow it and configure Z2M

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Once you've done that you can start it

#

Or... just use ZHA instead

soft lichen
#

Stand by for all the questions it generates.

  1. Where do I “see the dmesg output to find the device location:”?

  2. Where do I create a folder if I’m running Z2M as an add on?

sour shadow
#

That's your magic

#

The getting started page is the big picture

#

For the add-on that other page is the step by step guide

#

You've apparently done up to step 4, so carry on from 5

soft lichen
#

This is Kafka esque. The next step is step 5 click configuration.

#

There is no button labeled configuration.

sour shadow
#

You're looking at the Z2M add-on?

soft lichen
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Correct.

sour shadow
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Then ... shrug

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Damned if I know what's going on. Maybe it's a sign that Z2M isn't for you

grim igloo
soft lichen
#

Thanks.

grim igloo
soft lichen
#

What is socat?

sour shadow
grim igloo
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im a visual learner some others are too

soft lichen
grim igloo
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he means well fwiw

soft lichen
#

Okay I trust that’s true.

sour shadow
#

Also, if you're looking for a button, that's not obviously a button

soft lichen
#

Yes exactly thank you for recognizing that.

sour shadow
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Not that the docs said button shrug

soft lichen
#

I do appreciate people taking the time.

#

I though I was using the mosquito broker add on

#

Where do I find the information configuration is asking me for?

raven jewel
#

The documentation tab in the add-on configuration tells you a fair amount

soft lichen
#

Thanks.

ashen bluff
#

If you are not using the Mosquitto broker addon fill in your MQTT details (leave empty when using the Mosquitto broker addon).

grim igloo
#

but he still needs the mosquito addon installed first

soft lichen
#

Okay I have using that add on and leaving it empty.

#

I have that add on installed.

grim igloo
soft lichen
#

Okay thanks that’s helpful.

ashen bluff
soft lichen
#

Okay thanks. I’ll try this again when I have more time.

#

Appreciate everyone’s help.

fossil crystal
#

What does bind / unbind do?

#

I have some motion sensors that do not trigger and I was reading about the binding process, never had to do this before but since I've changed my coordinator, it seems some things like button actions/click or motion sensor occupancy shows N/A

#

I need to find better motion sensors

raven jewel
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Binding is a direct connection between a sensor entity and an action entity. So the motion sensor would always turn on the light for example.

#

You probably don't want binding, but you may need to pair directly through particular routers

heady kayak
#

Are they the new ikea motion sensors?

dusky flint
#

Where on the pain scale would I end up migrating from the addon to running z2m in a separate VM? It can't possibly be as simple as creating a backup and using that in the new instance... right?

fossil crystal
heady kayak
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the ikea ones have alkaline battery issues. no idea about the iris ones

nocturne geyser
#

Hey all, does anyone use smart light switches instead of bulbs in UK?
I'm currently using Conbee II with ZHA
Any suggestions for a UK light switch?
Device: Light Switch - UK
Budget: £0 - £100
Features: Dimming (optional), Easy Install (if possible too)
Colour: White
Please @ me

forest cobalt
heady kayak
raven jewel
mighty river
#

In a Z2M group I have 6 lights, that are all of the same type. I have 7 sliders in the dashboard, one for each lamp and one for group. Lamps nicely smooth when I change the slider, while when I slide group, lights change value instantly.

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in the z2m confiuration.yaml I added transition: 0.5 for base settings, and I assigned to every light transition time to 1 second in the Z2M config

#

(if I turn on and turn off group, then it also works nicely....)

mellow geode
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Can you post the configuration.yaml part?

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Is it set under device_options?

cosmic moss
#

Question: I finally have 14 Hue recessed downlights setup in my house... Alll connected through Zigbee2MQTT, I want to make scenes with them, I know I can save their current state together into a scene but the problem is manually setting each one to the same thing to then create a scene, I can only connect to 10 i think with Bluetooth so using the hue app seems like it wont work. Is their an easier way to like set all the lights together or do i need to indivudally set them all to what i want then create the scene?

cosmic moss
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Nvm im dumb it was light groups

grim ravine
winter lance
#

What's a good/reliable zigbee hub? I prob need two to cover my house.

#

Philips Hue has this stand alone switch. Perfect to tie to a group of lamps in a room. Is there a Zigbee switch that is similar?

mighty river
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whenever I control single individual light, it works very well, but when I control group brightness, it has an immediate effect, not with transition. Turn on/Off the group, also works with nice transition.

sour shadow
dawn furnace
tired ocean
#

Hi all,

Question, are there any benefits to connect the SLZB-06M to USB rather then over ethernet?

dusky flint
#

As I asked about before here I've got troubles with my mesh. I suspect that the coordinator can't handle more devices. In z2m, can you force devices to route through other devices? From what I've read you can, but it's no gurantee that they stay on that route - meaning it would be somewhat meaningless. Can you force it?

sour shadow
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Correct, you can't - that's just how Zigbee works

#

Of course, if the coordinator can't handle that many directly connected devices then they simply won't be able to connect to the coordinator

dusky flint
sour shadow
#

Depends on the device

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Generally speaking though if that route is "full" they wouldn't have been able to connect via it anyway, so it's not a problem

dusky flint
#

Right

forest cobalt
#

Or they would connect and then drop.

dusky flint
#

I have a bit of a whack-a-mole situation at the moment. One device drops off, and if I repair it, another device becomes unavailable

sour shadow
#

What coordinator do you have, and how many devices (count routers and end devices separately)?

dusky flint
#

Sonoff Dongle Plus E

#

29 mains powered and 19 battery devices

sour shadow
#

That should be good for way more than double that

dusky flint
#

Maybe I can see actual routers somewhere

#

Yeah I also have a hard time beliving that is the issue

#

Viewing the map, about 20 of these devices go directly to the coordinator

sour shadow
#

That's fine

forest cobalt
#

That's what I said yesterday... The only thing I can think of is the coordinator might be having issues itself. It's been flashed to 7.4.x, so I dunno on that one.

sour shadow
#

You're likely good for between 50 and 100 direct children

forest cobalt
#

On the E? Is it the P that's weaker?

sour shadow
#

The P is good for 50

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I've got a P and have about 100 devices in total, 20 to 30 are routers

dusky flint
#

Any other ideas what I could do for troubleshooting_

sour shadow
#

The usual stuff (see the pins for detail):

  1. USB extension cable?
  2. WiFi (inc the neighbours) clear of the Zigbee channel
  3. Fresh batteries
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etc

forest cobalt
#

Ok, that's in line with what I thought. The P can only do 20-30 routers. I had thought the E was slightly higher than that at 35-40, but I'm not finding anything for concrete stats on that..

sour shadow
#

People have 50+ routers on the both without problems

forest cobalt
#

Huh... good to know.

sour shadow
#

It's all down to the environment and devices - some are so chatty that one breaks a mesh

#

Plus Osram's older devices just break meshes

dusky flint
sour shadow
#

You've eliminated problem devices?

#

No Osram (other than the new Zigbee 3.0 stuff)?

#

No Sonoff or Tuya routers?

dusky flint
#

What is Osram? A brand? In that case, no to all of the above. I have a Frient power meter that might be the issue

sour shadow
#

Yes, a brand

dusky flint
#

Can you limit how often a device is allowed to report in z2m?

forest cobalt
#

Yeah, in the Reporting tab of the device.

dusky flint
#

I'll give that a go!

sour shadow
#

Not all devices will honour that

dusky flint
#

Whats a decent min rep interval for a power meter?

sour shadow
#

Depends on how many there are

#

Once a minute if you've only got a few

dusky flint
#

Yeah it's for all of the mains, the kind that counts flashes on the main power meter (it's surprisingly accurate)

#

The power sensor in HA still seems to update every 4-5 seconds. Do I need a restart for it to take effect?

sour shadow
#

Try maybe changing that min change threshold too

dusky flint
#

Nope :/ Still the same

#

Anything else you can do to limit it?

sour shadow
#

Don't buy Zigbee power monitoring devices?

#

It all comes down to whether the device will accept the settings you want

dusky flint
#

It's my only option at the moment as I don't have wifi/lan coverage at the place of the electricity box

#

I also receive a lot of these in the z2m logs. What does indirect transaction expiry mean? 2024-07-18 13:58:18zh:ember:ezsp: Received network/route error ROUTE_ERROR_INDIRECT_TRANSACTION_EXPIRY for "35722".

forest cobalt
#

I'm just going to throw this out there, but maybe it's worth it to get a better coordinator? IIRC, you were going to look at either Tube's or SMLight's coordinator? (Can't remember off the top of my head and can't be assed to search lol)

dusky flint
#

Yeah probably. Need one thats not PoE though and got a bit stuck there. The skyconnect is cheap here...

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Though my dongle (Sonoff Plus E) is on z2m's recommended list

forest cobalt
dusky flint
#

Thanks, yeah he said he will make more. 🙂

forest cobalt
#

The only reason I say this at all is because I have 12 power reporting plugs on my mesh (100+ devices) reporting every 2-4 seconds with no issues.

dusky flint
molten linden
#

Honestly it’s going to be a few weeks at the least. Heading out of town this weekend back for a few days then out of town again until beginning of august

forest cobalt
dusky flint
#

Yeah I downloaded some network scanning app when setting up the network, but its been a while. And I've gotten new neighbors since 😆

forest cobalt
#

You need to look at both your WiFi channels AND your Zigbee channel.

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Although, if you can change your AP(s) to something like 1,6 and then set Zigbee to something like 20, you might be ok. Really depends on what the WiFi scan shows.

dusky flint
#

Yeah I'll have a look

#

Any recommended tools for this from the top of your head?

#

As I'm reading through the pins... and preferably something thats not $500 a year 😄

forest cobalt
#

For WiFi scanning? I use Wifiman (I have a Unifi network). But, you can download pretty much any of them that have decent ratings and get a scan done.

dusky flint
#

I'm using channel 15 for Zigbee atm

#

Which would be the most available spectrum, if I'm reading the zigbee/wifi comparision image in the pin correct

sour shadow
#

25 or 26 would probably be better

#

26 if all your devices support it, and you're not in North America

forest cobalt
#

I was going to suggest trying channel 20, watching it for a day or two and if you're still having issues, try 25. I have never had good luck with 26, at least if you have Hue devices.

dusky flint
#

I could also get in between 8 and 9, that would be 20 for Zigbee right? FerNet is my network so I could change that.

forest cobalt
#

I have my 3 APs set to channels 1 and 6. I rarely see anyone use channels 8 or 9, tbh.

dusky flint
#

Maybe I need to do some nightly missions to change their channels smile

dusky flint
#

As there seems to be a empty file between 8 and 9 then

#

Maybe I'll just move to a cabin in the woods

forest cobalt
#

Yeah, try channel 25 and see how that works for a couple of days.

dusky flint
#

Nothing better to do with a sunny vacation day than repairing all zigbee devices

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🙂

forest cobalt
#

Also, keep in mind that channels are for 2.4ghz only. So, if most of your devices are on 5ghz, you could move your AP channel(s) to 1 or 6.

#

lol I feel your pain... I've done it a LOT over the years.

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But, I've had this setup now for about 3(?)-ish years with almost zero issues and I keep adding devices.

dusky flint
#

That's a jinx if I've ever seen one

forest cobalt
#

YUP... I have a wooden desk that I just knocked on. lol

dusky flint
#

😄

#

Anyway, thanks for the help as always

forest cobalt
#

Anytime! Hopefully you can get this resolved. Broken meshes hurt my heart. lol

regal spruce
#

Today I discovered that my connection with z2m stopped working with the dongle. The dongle is not showing up in the HA hardware list. I tried restarting and using different USB ports, but it simply doesn't appear.

Core 2024.7.2
Supervisor 2024.06.2
Operating System 12.4
Z2M: 1.39.0-1

z2m serial
port: /dev/ttyACM0
adapter: ezsp

I've been searching on Google for a long time and would appreciate any help.

sour shadow
#

What dongle?

wild mortar
regal spruce
#

When i try lsusb etc in ha Console IT show nothing

#

But when i put it in PC IT Will load so i think dongle Is not broken

forest cobalt
weak dirge
#

I need some help, I don't know what is wrong here. I have some zigbee blinds. In the master bedroom there are 5 blinds and 3 shades. The coordinator is about 15 feet away and there is a repeater right outside the room. ALL 3 shades pair fine. 4 of the 5 blinds pair fine. no issues, great lqi, literally perfect. The 5th blind though will not pair no matter what. I have reset it completely, tried to repair multiple times, plugged it in to the wall to ensure its charged fully. I can get alexa to discover it with "alexa discover devices" so i know it is working (and yes i remove it from alexa after). I don't know why this 1 blind out of every single one in my house won't connect 😦

raven jewel
#

Are you pairing it generally, or directly to a repeater?

weak dirge
#

nearly every blind in that room connects directly to the coordinator

#

i have permit join (all) but it doesn't pair at all, it doesn't even appear and then fail or anything

raven jewel
#

Try pairing it to the repeater instead of the coordinator

weak dirge
#

No luck either

weak dirge
#

i really dont get this. it pairs and responds fine to alexa. my only thought now is somehow creating a switch and triggering a routine in alexa just for this one dang blind!

raven jewel
#

It's possibly faulty, or perhaps it's really getting stuck and binding into a default group somewhere instead

weak dirge
#

i would assume if it is binding into a default group it would exit pairing mode which i can observe from it flashing blue. when i try to pair it to z2m it simply times out after 2 minutes.

raven jewel
#

Honestly, it sounds like bad hardware

#

What brand is this?

weak dirge
#

I have 27 of these blinds in my house, 26 of them work fine.

forest cobalt
#

Yes, but this one could potentially be bad or a dud.

#

How long have you had them? Is it possible to contact the company for support? If 26 are working and 1 isn't, that sounds like it's a problem with the blind and not with Z2M.

weak dirge
#

Like I said though, it connects with no issues to Alexa and i can control it 'alexa open right blind to 50%'. afaik alexa uses zigbee as zigbee is the only radio on this blind

raven jewel
#

It may be the channel Alexa is using

weak dirge
#

I have reached out to them for support but who knows when they'll respond

raven jewel
#

It's possibly bad hardware in that it's not properly wired so not seeing all the channels

#

I would exchange that device for another.

#

Personally I like my IKEA blinds

weak dirge
#

I like light filtering blinds that I can close for privacy or open for more light but still have privacy

raven jewel
#

They definitely have those too, I have one hanging in my kitchen window

weak dirge
#

Hm, maybe not currently? I just checked their website.

raven jewel
weak dirge
#

Ya those are not the same as what I have. My blinds have 2 inches of sheer fabric and 2 inches of thicker fabric. you can see out through the sheer fabric. you can roll them back the other direction and it will 'close' so it is all thicker fabric and you can no longer see out.

raven jewel
#

Ok, but you have dodgy hardware that needs replacing. Either way, that's not something we can help with here. That's a "get the vendor or manufacturer to replace it" problem.

fossil crystal
#

Z2M keeps listening on TCP6 (IPv6), how do I get it to listen on IPv4?

bold nymph
#

Hello, all of a sudden all of my zigbee devices stopped working and I can control nothing, Z2M addon shows 90% usage. And when I checked the logs I found out it’s spamming my two presence sensors with payloads. What should I do?

I changed nothing, and the report is set on 3600.

raven jewel
#

What are your log levels set to in Z2M? Try lowering it

bold nymph
#

I don’t even know where to check, it should be the default value

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And it’s not logging anything but those presence sensors

fossil crystal
winter lance
weak dirge
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i might consider wifi blinds for my house. luckily this is my buddys house 😛

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and ill probalby do hardwired

winter lance
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Ok, I'm new to all of the automation and trying to get my head wrapped around a lot of this stuff.
I need a Zigbee coordinator, which acts as the brain. If I get a USB Stick version (like the SkyConnect or ZigBee 3.0 ZBDongle-E) does it need to go into a computer, or does it just need power?

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I have HA installed in my TrueNAS server, so I think something like the Yellow would just complicate things

fossil crystal
winter lance
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The SkyConnect says "Zero Setup, Automatically detected"

fossil crystal
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You can plug into server running HA and use add-ons etc.. I dont do this however, I have a separate "broker" where my Raspberry Pi has my Zwave and Zigbee dongles + their software running and Mosquitto broker (MQTT) which integrates with HA over the network. My HA runs in VM so its completely separate from the hardware.

winter lance
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Yeah, mine is running in a VM as well

junior ridge
#

So I have a couple of thirdreality zigbee temp/humidity sensors, and there's an odd thing that I'm seeing. Want to see if what my hypothesis makes sense.

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Have the thirdreality sensor next to a govee BT sensor that we were using before, as a way of comparison in a grow tent. They both show the humidity is stable at around 90%, as expected. Govee is updating regularly, but the TR one reported temp 5 minutes ago and humidity 2 hours ago. Is it likely that they fine tuned the software to only report humidity changes when there's actually something to report? Likely to reduce network congestion?

winter lance
#

Feels very overwhelming to get started

fossil crystal
winter lance
#

I like to think I am fairly tech savvy, but I haven't messed with Raspberry Pi before. Just didn't have a need. Give me a good guide and I am good to go, a lot of what I have seen are either way too vague and only gets me half there, or WAY too specific to the point it's completely NOT useful

austere patio
winter lance
#

Z2M ?

fossil crystal
#

Z2M = Zigbee2MQTT (the sofware), we get tired of typing the whole thing out.

winter lance
#

Ok, well guess I should dive into Pi. I think I need one for a DakBoard project I want to do, so might as well get started.

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Raspberry Pi 4 Model B/4GB good to run MQTT, Z2M, Zigbee and Zwave?

supple moat
#

Should be fine, Im pretty sure mine is a Pi3 and runs fine wiht a zigbee stick. This server is a good resource, but it should be pretty simple once you get HA running on the Pi. Just plug in a USB zigbee stick and get the ZHA integration, things will pair to your HA instance from there.

winter lance
#

I have HA running in a VM on my TrueNAS server.

supple moat
#

If the HA instance is exposed to USB ports, you can just plug a zigbee stick into it

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I dont bother with Z2M, I just use a Sonoff zigbee USB stick and ZHA within Home Assistant

winter lance
#

That's what I was looking at

supple moat
#

Yup, thats the Sonoff stick I have (or close to it)

#

I run HA on a Pi and plug that in and my zigbee devices connect directly to HA

#

if youre running it on a NAS server, you can just plug the stick into there (assuming you dont have it in docker or something)

winter lance
#

No, it's a VM image HomeAssistantOS or something like that

supple moat
#

If its running in a VM, make sure your VM can see and access USB ports. If it can, you can just plug the stick into the server.

winter lance
#

Yup. I can do a USB passthrough.

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BYZP8NK2/
I need a cheap Temp/Humidity sensor for my server room. I don't need a display since I'll just use HA to view. Is this decent? Or is there a cheaper/easier option?

hushed vector
winter lance
#

Thanks!

lime drift
#

I received my 2nd Sonoff usb stick. Both sould be "E" versions.
Can i swap them afterward ? It's "plug and play" ? Thx

winter lance
#

Just ordered mine from itead.cc Ordered 10 things, price is almost exactly 1/2 of what it would be on Amazon. Since Amazon has given up 2nd shipping, or even same week shipping (in my area anyway) my choices are 14-21 day shipping, or 10 day shipping for 2x as much.

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Yeah, I'll wait another week or so.

#

I still need to figure out how to setup automations

lime drift
#

Woow, my new dongle is "Zigbee (EZSP) 6.10.3.0 build 297" .... latest firmware is 7.3.1.0 !!!!

winter lance
#

So a little behind.

lime drift
#

I'm planning to have 2 HA ( 1 prod, 1 dev). this new dongle will be for my dev environment. And also as a backup....

lime drift
#

Hmmm I swapped my old dongle with the new one with updated firmware... and it is looking for the old /dev/serial/by_id/ ...
i had to manualy change .storage/core.config_entries , restart HA, "apply new network setting" when HA is complaining about backup something... working!

gritty nimbus
#

Hi, I'm trying to connect my zigbee dongle to HA. HA detects well the dongle, but it's after to configure it, I click on "erase network parameters and create a new one" then it says "Loading the next step for ZHA" but never stop loading... it loads for infinite and my VM crashes, or a error message pops up and stop the loading... I flashed the firmware of my dongle to reset and be sure that it doesn't come from the dongle, but I still can't connect it to HA... I tried to erase virtualbox, my vm and download everything back but it still doesn't work. I can't even see the logs after trying to connect my dongle because my Vm crashes.... someone has an idea ?

lime drift
#

It was running fine before ? I mean , u had a working zigbee ?

gritty nimbus
#

yes the dongle worked fine before but it's been a while

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I connected it to temperature sensor and it was perfect

lime drift
#

Does your VM start without the dongle ?

gritty nimbus
#

yes

lime drift
#

which dongle/ Host OS/installation type ?

gritty nimbus
#

ZBDongle-P, HAOS, installation with a VM on virtualbox

lime drift
#

what do you mean by "crashed" ? what's on the screen of your vm ? someting in /var/log/messages ? or journalctl -r

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or in homeassistant.log

gritty nimbus
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Ha say "connection lost, reconnecting" and when I go on my vm, I cannot type anything "not responding". On my VM, there is just Home assistant and the IP... I can try to send you the log

lime drift
#

It's very hard to beleive that linux is crashing... not impossible but ...

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it's not responding to ping ?

gritty nimbus
gritty nimbus
#

but I can acces Ha so it's strange

lime drift
#

Iwould try to fix network issue first.

prime gate
#

Alguien en español?

gritty nimbus
sour shadow
gritty nimbus
#

Did you see something strang in the logs ?

sour shadow
lime drift
#

i saw a lot of network issue in the log ... that's why i would fix this first.

gritty nimbus
#

ah

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but i'm not sure there is a network problem because I could ping my vm since the start, I just tried to ping 172.20.10.5/28 and it didn't work of course haha then I did ping 172.20.10.5 and it worked

#

It's like the dongle kills my VM, it's really strange

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here is the logs right after it crashes and I power it up again https://imgur.com/a/pBfO6ud (no supervisor since I didn't go on HA, i just powered up the vm)

lime drift
#

That's the ouptut on the screen of your VM ???

gritty nimbus
#

yes with "journalctl -ru docker.service | less"

lime drift
#

may be you could ask in #installation-archived , i'm not using VirtualBox and i'm not running HAOS... I think u screw up something

gritty nimbus
#

okay thanks anyway

nocturne geyser
#

So given conbee 2 has interference problems how does it compare to Conbee 3

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Is it best to avoid conbee? 👀

sour shadow
#

The ConBee 3 may be ok

#

Not enough feedback to know

#

Personally ... buy Tube or SMLight

vast ingot
#

Arrrg! I just opened Zigbee2MQTT and all my devices have vanished. Bizarrely they are still present in the MQTT integration and all seem to be functioning but a completely blank list in Z2M.

forest cobalt
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Try doing a hard refresh (CTRL+F5 on Windows or CMD+CTRL+R on Mac).

vast ingot
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Desparately hoping that I dont end up having to re-pair all of them

forest cobalt
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Try a hard refresh. If that doesn't work, try an incognito/private window.

vast ingot
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Ctrl +F5 makes the Z2M page flicker but it goes back to an empty list

forest cobalt
#

And an incognito window?

vast ingot
#

Same 😦

sour shadow
#

There's been a few reports of the add-on doing that

vast ingot
#

It is behabving as if everything is still ther, just not being listed in the devices list

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The add-on log after a restart is somewhat complex, but it seems to name my devices. They are just not showing in the ui

forest cobalt
sour shadow
vast ingot
#

Yes I think that is it

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it looks like the only solution is to hose it and re-add and configure.

forest cobalt
vast ingot
#

"ingress mode"?

forest cobalt
#

See if you can open the UI in a separate window/tab and go directly to the port specificed in the addon.

vast ingot
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Sorry - I am having a senior moment- I am not with you

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The addon doesnt give a web link that I can open in an new tab

sour shadow
#

Did you look at the link he posted?

vast ingot
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Yes

sour shadow
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When I switch to normal mode (open http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8099 in the new browser window) I see completed list of my devices and working Dashboard).

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Rather than port 8123

forest cobalt
#

Replace the x with your IP address of your HA instance.

vast ingot
#

What is ingress mode or normal mode?

sour shadow
#

Just ways of accessing add-ons

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ingress embeds stuff in HA's UI

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normal doesn't

vast ingot
#

and how do you switch between them?

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I get Unable to establish a connection on port 8099

sour shadow
#

Make sure the add-on settings list port 8099 - they probably don't

vast ingot
#

Hmmm

sour shadow
#

Probably under Configuration... but I don't use add-ons so that's just a guess

vast ingot
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The addon is set to use 8485 but that port is not actualy open

forest cobalt
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Try http://###.###.###.###:8485 (replace # with your IP address).

vast ingot
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yes that is what I am doing

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wireshark doesnt see anything for that port either

#

Thanks for the help though, I appreciate it

rain wing
#

Hi guys, I have some lamps that are behind physical switches and are sometimes turned off by guests, kids ... is there a way I can force a check to turn lamps to an unavailable state faster? using zha

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Just found the setting, any major downside to putting the check for powered devices to ... 60 seconds? 😄

sour shadow
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5 mins is probably sane

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60 seconds may be pushing it

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I have mine set at 3 mins, and that's ok... doesn't generate too much overhead

rain wing
#

I think I have about 20 lamps, how heavy would that check be on the system? I guess that gets logged to debug too?

sour shadow
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It's the traffic on the mesh...

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Every router gets pinged

rain wing
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I'll test with 5 minutes, ideally it would check the mesh on an error tho, is that an option?

sour shadow
#

Don't know

austere patio
rain wing
#

6 to 7 mins for a full poll?

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So checking every 5 probably isn't a good idea then xD

austere patio
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There's no other way to tell, unfortunately. Devices can't tell you they've gone offline 😄

nocturne geyser
dusky flint
forest cobalt
sour shadow
#

Do you have any installation beginner

winged quarry
#

does there exist a zigbee command or device that will do something for X seconds?

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I much prefer not sending discreet on and off commands separately, I want 100% assurance that the "off" event will happen.

sour shadow
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Generally not, but sometimes yes

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Depends on the device, sadly

winged quarry
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I like sometimes yes

sour shadow
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Some support a timed off, but documentation on that is ... mostly non existent

winged quarry
#

is there a name for this? It sounds like a detail that wouldn't be printed on the box

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yeah

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"timed off" taht could be a start

tribal escarp
#

Hey there - I grabbed a Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 plus-E dongle on prime, and it should be here later. It's my understanding that zigbee in the US is often 2.4ghz - is there a "preferred" channel, or just where ever 2.4ghz wifi isn't too bad? I have SSIDs on the common 1/6/11 channels, but eyeballing it channel 15/20/25/26 should be free from the adjacent wifi channels

sour shadow
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Check the pinned image

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Zigbee everywhere is 2.4 GHz, and the best channel is usually one of those, depending on what WiFi channels are in use around you

tribal escarp
#

Ah cheers, thank you for that

fierce fiber
#

I'm having an issue with my ZHA, I'm trying to use the zha.permit service, but it keeps giving me this error:

Failed to call service zha.permit. invalid install code for dictionary value @ data['install_code']. Got None
# 
service: zha.permit
data:
  duration: 60
  source_ieee: 00:0a:bf:00:01:10:23:35
  install_code: 1234-5678-1234-5678-AABB-CCDD-AABB-CCDD-EEFF
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I don't see any updates pending for ZHA, but maybe I'm overlooking that somewhere.

forest cobalt
fierce fiber
#

Bosch

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I'm confused why it's saying "Got None", as if it's not even getting the value on the service itself.

austere patio
#

Can you post the code?

fierce fiber
#

The same error shows for both the example data above and when I add the values from my device.

#

Any chance I need to update HA? I'm on core 24.7.3.

austere patio
#

I mean the threat model here is someone sitting outside your house so it's not exactly that interesting 😅

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There's no single format for the codes, however, and it's entirely manufacturer specific

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Some encode the IEEE address and a code from which the link key is derived

fierce fiber
#

I'm thinking you might be referencing the QR codes? The source_iee and install_code are exactly the same on the device as in the example.

austere patio
#

Some have the actual link key, unhashed

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If you have a code format that hasn't been seen it needs to be implemented, which is why I ask

fierce fiber
#

Like I said, the code format is identical to the example data from the service itself.

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I'll post both so you can see

# 
Example:
  source_ieee: 00:0a:bf:00:01:10:23:35
  install_code: 1234-5678-1234-5678-AABB-CCDD-AABB-CCDD-EEFF

My device:
  source_ieee: 18:fc:26:00:00:05:76:70
  install_code: 2CAB-3742-B7EE-236B-0990-06D8-23D8-BA3D-3E08
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I'm tempted to just update my HA Core

#

But I wasn't planning on updating and dealing with potential migration right now. 😅

fierce fiber
#

So yeah ... almost a years worth of updates.

#

Now i works 😄

#

And the device itself got added pretty much instantly.

fierce fiber
#

Alright, next issue then, it's connected to my home, but for some reason the configuration seems to have failed.

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I can't share an image, but it's showing yellow crosses for a bunch of things (PowerConfiguration, Identify, Thermostat, UserInterface, etc).

rapid dawnBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

fierce fiber
#

It looks like it does know what to look for, but it's not finding any.

fossil crystal
#

Anyone flashed the Sonoff E-Dongle with v7.4.1 on a raspberry pI? Curious what tool you used. I can't seem to get cc2538-bsl working and pip install of the silabs flasher says no package available to install.

# 
pi@broker:~/cc2538-bsl $ python3 cc2538-bsl.py -ewv -p /dev/ttyACM0 --bootloader-sonoff-usb ./ncp-uart-hw-v7.4.1.0-zbdonglee-115200.gbl
sonoff
Opening port /dev/ttyACM0, baud 500000
Reading data from ./ncp-uart-hw-v7.4.1.0-zbdonglee-115200.gbl
Cannot auto-detect firmware filetype: Assuming .bin
Connecting to target...
ERROR: Timeout waiting for ACK/NACK after 'Synch (0x55 0x55)'
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Coordinator is working, just having some other issues so I want to upgrade to ember (supported). I have Z2M shutdown when I try to flash.

fossil crystal
#

I ended up finding some other tool that worked for my adapter: elelabs-zigbee-ezsp-utility

rapid dawnBOT
#

@waxen lance I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
fierce fiber
#

Is there a guide somewhere on how to debug devices and a list of supported ones? So I can figure out what is supposed to work vs what I'm seeing.

plush smelt
#

I just had a power outage, everything is on UPS except for the remote adapter for z2m.
Now z2m does not want to start and I get the following message:
Port '8485' is already in use by something else on the host.

raven jewel
red basin
#

Can I ask if the presence sensors from zigbee are. Any good? Looking to replace a static motion for presence and more if it's prossible?

fierce fiber
raven jewel
grim igloo
red basin
fierce fiber
raven jewel
#

The Tuya based hub could well be your problem.

fierce fiber
#

Oh?

raven jewel
#

Tuya is not great.

#

It's more like 3 raccoons in a trench-coat pretending to be a solid system.

fierce fiber
#

Been working for me for a few years so far. But I've had mostly just lights and simple switches.

red basin
#

My task is simply make something more efficient to trigger lights and people entering the home / walking up the hall etc.

raven jewel
grim igloo
fierce fiber
#

It's a modified Silvercrest gateway from Lidl. I recall reading it was Tuya based.

raven jewel
#

Oh, that is interesting, I've not heard of that.

fierce fiber
#

Inside, it is the Tuya TYGWZ-01 white label gateway.

raven jewel
#

Are you using ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT?

fierce fiber
#

ZHA

raven jewel
#

What's the device you're trying to pair with it?

fierce fiber
raven jewel
fierce fiber
#

Hmm

raven jewel
#

If you are using the ZHA integration then a tip is to use ZHA-Toolkit to download and upgrade that Zigbee OTA firmware image on that specific device once you have successfully paired/joined it to ZHA

fierce fiber
#

Ohh

raven jewel
#

From other posts in that thread, the problem may be down to your coordinator, but it's worth giving it a read to find out more.

#

If you do want/need to replace the coordinator, the pinned messages in this channel have some recommendations including an ethernet based one.

fierce fiber
#

Yeah, I noticed someone wrote it couldn't pair with serial interface, but that did work for me at least.

raven jewel
#

I'd see that as a good sign

fierce fiber
#

It might make sense to replace the coordinator, but I've just seen people have some odd issues from time to time, so I was kinda thinking that since mine has worked for this long, I better not rock the boat ...

raven jewel
#

True, but the Sonoff coordinators are pretty affordable and do "just work"

fierce fiber
#

I'll keep that in mind, thank you.

raven jewel
#

I hope you manage to get the thermostat working though!

fierce fiber
#

Not sure why adding a zigbee device would require a restart, but I wont question it further ...

raven jewel
#

Well now you have ZHA toolkit so if you need it in the future, you can just use it! Glad to hear it's working now.

mellow geode
#

Do note that ZHA toolkit won't be supported with the next major HA release.

austere patio
#

I also don't think anything related to OTA with ZHA Toolkit has worked in many months

fierce fiber
proven frigate
#

Hey all, I got two new zigbee lights that don't behave like any others on my network in that their power on state doesn't turn the lights on no matter what I set that behavior to. Any advice for the power on (toggling manual switch off/on) to turn the light back on if it was off via HA?

LTA008
by Signify Netherlands B.V.
Firmware: 0x01001420
mellow geode
#

To confirm, even if you cut power for like a minute and then reconnect power, they stay off regardless of their startup option?

proven frigate
#

Yeah that's accurate. But if I unscrew and screw back in they turn on. Is my electrical bad perhaps? I'll try it in another lamp/circuit

#

I tried factory resetting

#

Same behavior on another circuit. It's a Philips white ambience 800

#

The other circuit has a Philips bulb that behaves as expected, turns on after manual toggling

mellow geode
#

So screwing the light out and putting it back has a different behavior than switching a switch that toggles power?

#

Can you try switching the switch off for like a minute?

#

During that time, make sure it doesn’t respond to commands from HA.

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And check if, after a minute, turning on the switch also turns on the light.

proven frigate
#

Yes screwing out and in has a different behavior than the manual switch toggle. Keeping the manual switch off for a minute without any HA changes, the lights remain off when manually switched on

proven frigate
#

Shoot trying for longer than a couple minutes and it works now. Testing again

austere patio
spare cave
#

Are there any good ZigBee dev boards

shadow tartan
#

One of my Aqara buttons stopped working after I removed and paired it again. Only reason I did that was because I put a new plug in that room as a repeater and wanted to connect it specifically to that plug.

#

It stopped working so I removed it again and just paired it to the coordinator again but it's still not working. I've created new automations but the results are the same. Any idea what's going on?

waxen basin
#

Hi, can someone’s help me sort my zigbee setup. Our house has lots of thick stone walls and I thought buying a Sonoff ZBbridge would help but it doesn’t appear to expose the devices to HA. I also have Hue lightbulbs that I thought could mesh into the main network but they don’t seem to either. Do I need to change some settings or have I missed the point? Any tips on debugging welcomed

lime drift
#

I'm affraid, there is no real way to "debug". Try your best to:

  • put your coordinator ( could be a usb dongle or a bridge) at the most strategic place.
  • have a least one zigbee powered device on each room ( 1 wall => minimum 1 zigbee to repeat the signal).
  • Add more zigbee to have more alternate routes availables.
  • I'm always adding zigbee with their closest router ( who knows , it cannot hurt ).
    Bulbs does a descent job. Nothing to complain with hue bulbs.
noble gulch
#

Anyone using the zigbee NUE/3A Downlights?

stray viper
#

Anyone know of a zigbee full spectrum dimmable growth light for plants?

mystic verge
#

👋 I have some Ikea Remotes that I don't want to update (I want to keep them in the current version as the newer version breaks group binding). However, the update pops up every day and I have to skip the update every day. Why is the skip not being remembered? (I use ZHA)

sour shadow
#

Disable the update entity?

mystic verge
# sour shadow Disable the `update` entity?

Hmmmm... that will prevent updating? Interesting, I wouldn't thought about that. I will check as I already had to downgrade when I said yes to the update (changing the version in the OTA file header so an older version is seen as a newer one 😹) so I can do it again if needed. Thanks!

sour shadow
#

That will prevent HA telling you about the updates, yes

#

If you want to update, just re-enable it

mystic verge
#

I'll keep 2 of 3 disabled, the 3rd one is not bound I use it as a generic remote so I can test updates there, but as far as I've read Ikea just broke group binds in newer firmwares and not fixing it, so probably I won't be updating those two ever.

rain oxide
#

Hello, today my zigbee integration stopped working out of the blue. It gives me the following message: Failed setup, will retry: 'NV item does not exist: <OsalNvIds.CONCENTRATOR_ENABLE: 50>'. I'm using a SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus.
Could anyone help me out? Thank you

sour shadow
#

Which of the two different "plus" dongles?

#

The P or the E?

rain oxide
#

the P one

sour shadow
#

Unplug it for 30 seconds

rain oxide
#

Done, same error

stray viper
#

Anyone has use cases for the ttgo display esp32 other than showing the temperature?

knotty flint
#

Hey folks. Starting in the morning yesterday my two IKEA Tradfri smart plugs abruptly stopped being available to my Zigbee network. They haven't been able to connect, even after I tried manually resetting them via the recessed reset button.

Since then, most of my assorted Zigbee bulbs and Centralite sensors have become unavailable, and I've been unable to repair them manually. I'm getting a MAC Channel 225 error. However, some other zigbee devices still work.

I'm using the ZHA configuration. I use a SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 stick that's connected into a Raspberry Pi 4 that uses a SSD for memory.

How can I start diagnosing and fixing this?

austere patio
knotty flint
austere patio
#

I would add another one and move your stick as far away from it as possible. The error specifically means you have too much RF interference.

knotty flint
#

Ah ok!

austere patio
#

Many USB 3.0 devices, especially SSDs, emit a lot

knotty flint
#

I'll try that. That makes some things clear as I had tidied up my wires recently and the Sonoff stick is now closer to the Pi. Also, the SSD is a recent upgrade (last week).

#

I think that's an extremely plausible issue cause and solution, thanks. I'll try again tonight.

I also have a Zwave stick and a matter stick (3 total). Should they all just be as far away from each other as possible? I'm thinking about how to change their positions.

#

The Sonoff Zigbee stick used to be approximately 6 feet away and is now within 18 inches (needed to reorganize the shelf they were on)

austere patio
#

It won't hurt. Z-Wave is on a different frequency so it shouldn't matter and theoretically your Thread stick should impact your network no more than any other Zigbee device in the same spot (it's the same low-level protocol).

knotty flint
#

Sounds good. Will check in tonight.

rain oxide
austere patio
#

If you re-flash its firmware ZHA will auto-restore a backup when you next plug it in

modest dock
forest cobalt
tired ocean
rain oxide
austere patio
#

You shouldn't need to configure anything unless you deleted the ZHA integration, which would erase all of your entity customizations

#

How did you flash firmware and which one did you flash?

modest dock
rain oxide
rain oxide
austere patio
#

I would restore from a backup, it should start working automatically after that

rain oxide
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I don't have a backup unfortunately

austere patio
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Are you running HA OS? Or some other installation method?

rain oxide
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docker

austere patio
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Make sure your serial port is passed through correctly. If you're using a VM, make sure it supports USB hotplug as well, some don't.

rain oxide
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HA is a privileged container, every device I plugin is automatically passed to the container

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besides that, I did not make any change to the system when the issue showed up

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When I plugged in the zigbee for the first time, HA auto discovered it and the config was a breeze

austere patio
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I would give a reboot a try. From ZHA's perspective it doesn't know your firmware has changed (nor is there any difference between the firmware that was installed and that is now installed)

split sage
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If I host z2m separate from HA, can it still be controlled by Alexa etc?

grim igloo
split sage
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That's great, but how does it work exactly? I thought Alexa/Google Home apps are linked to HA in their respected apps?

forest cobalt
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Even if Z2M is hosted externally, the devices in HA are what get shared to Alexa/Google.

split sage
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Oh, I should've said, if it's still controlable when HA is down

forest cobalt
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Ah, no.

split sage
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Thanks for your help guys

stray viper
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Why zigbee lamps, from ikea for example, have to be unpaired from ikea HUB before they can be paired with HA yellow?

grim igloo
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it just be like that

forest cobalt
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They technically don't (you can use the Ikea integration), but they can only be paired to one controller at a time.

austere patio
midnight lintel
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recommended zigbee coordinator so I can start using aqara string lights?

sour shadow
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Tube or SMLight

midnight lintel
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lol

sour shadow
midnight lintel
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hm, not as inexpensive as I'd hoped

forest cobalt
sour shadow
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You'll spend way more on devices

midnight lintel
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I may just get cheap string lights for her for now and then wait to go down the rabbit hole for real

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but $16 to have something functional by the weekend is probably best for right now

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if my HA box has a spare USB port, would the sm light 07 device be a good, cheaper alternative or am I losing something else important by going with the 07 over the 06?

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looks like z2mqtt recommends the cc2652 chip. the 07 model with that is th cc2652p7 and I'd lose zigbee to ethernet and zigbee to wifi. so I guess that's bad

sour shadow
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That's a little outdated

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Z2M has active support for the EFR chips as ember

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ember is probably the future

midnight lintel
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oh, ok. I'm looking at the smlight site and I see the M model has the efr32

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this place has both, about the same price:

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as long as the cheap one from amazon tides the kid over while I wait for that and set it up

sour shadow
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MGM21 is the "old" but still good model

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MGM24 is the new higher RAM model, which has been reported stable at 300+ devices

midnight lintel
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unless I can sleep on those devices, I can't imagine having room for that many. wow

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interestingly, smlight ranks the mgm24 as low on their list

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cc2652p and mg21 tied for 1st, then cc2652p7, then mgm24, then cc2674p7

sour shadow
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Yeah, but the ember dev has different experiences with the 24

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So... one or both are correct 😄

midnight lintel
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so cost, lead time, etc being equal, as a relative noob wanting to be somewhat futureproofed, but prioritizing relative ease of setup/use, you'd recommend the mgm24?

sour shadow
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Yes

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That's what I'd buy if I was buying now

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At least this month, until something newer and better comes out 😄

midnight lintel
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ok, looking for one of those on aliexpress now

sour shadow
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Bonus, tube is here and often helps people

waxen basin
midnight lintel
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man, even pricier. but I guess it helps to be able to the hassle the guy when I can't figure it out

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also out of stock

fossil crystal
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Does Zigbee have a Z-wave type of Network Wide Inclusion? Meaning, if I have a mains powered zigbee device, will new ones perform network inclusion?

forest cobalt
fossil crystal
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hmm that seems like a problem because if you have a really far away device that you can't move.

forest cobalt
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Then you need to put a router closer to that device.

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Or go with a protocol that supports long range like ZWave LR or LoRA.

fossil crystal
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Weird protocol. Wonder why it doesntn support something so logical like Zwave supports. It goes against mesh technology to make sure your router/coordinate it in the middle of your mesh 🙂

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Meaning, it should get stronger and stronger as powered devices enter the network ala zwave.

raven jewel
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You can pair devices via specific routers, or you can let them choose.

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Some devices you don't want to let choose, as they'll grab whatever they think is best and then never change, so for those it's advisable to pick a sensible router on their behalf.

fossil crystal
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hmm so zigbee doesn't use mains powered devices as routers? You have to put more actual coordinators in the home?

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Maybe I'll move away from zigbee, it's been quite problematic for me vs zwave which just works

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@forest cobalt @raven jewel thank you for your responses!

raven jewel
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I say almost always, because there are exceptions, notable ones include light switches without neutral.

fossil crystal
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hmm ok that's what I was asking and now you confirmed. So its not truly Zwave-style NWI but rather, you are pairing say a motion sensor to a light switch instead of the coordinator.

raven jewel
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You can do that.

fossil crystal
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if it chooses the wrong router or closer one. Now the question is, how do you know? Because right now all of my motion sensors seems to be trying to. be interviewed by my Sonoff but are failing.

raven jewel
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You can see a network map.

fossil crystal
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Ok so my motion sensors are connecting "through" my plugged in wall switches (they are blue on the map)

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Which works like a zwave setup essentially, at this point I dont care what is connected to what... that's the point of a mesh i.e. let it figure it out itself

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I just want to pair and use the devices

raven jewel
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Yes. Most of the time just let the network figure itself out.

fossil crystal
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Now I need to figure out why these 2 motion sensors I have are not pairing. I'm right next to the coordinator. They show up but then show null values for alot of things like battery, occupancy etc.. and dont seem to work as expected. Could be bad modules.

forest cobalt
fossil crystal
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The Ikea ones are fine, its just these 2 that are a PITA

forest cobalt
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Yup. Those are OLD Zigbee 1.0 devices. They might be Zigbee1.2, but I doubt it.

fossil crystal
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No way to get them to work?

raven jewel
forest cobalt
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Try pairing them to a router and see. But honestly, I’m not certain they’ll work or even stay connected.

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I had them back in 2018/2019. They were good-ish at the time, but struggled to stay connected.

fossil crystal
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They are showing up in my UI, just with a bunch of null values. I think I've tried to pair things 2 devices 30x times now. Probably good time to move on I supppose 🙂

forest cobalt
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But also yes. Let the past die. There are MUCH better sensors now. 😊

fossil crystal
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Thank you to both of you!

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Just ordered Aqara motion sensors... nice attachment on them too for the wall unlike these that have to sit somewhere.

forest cobalt