zigbee-archived

[grim igloo]

it comes highly recommended here

@ tube is active and provides support (in this channel)

https://tubeszb.com/product/cc2652p7-zigbee-to-poe-coordinator-2023/ i have and suggest this model with zigbee2mqtt

[rustic tundra]

Great to hear that, thank you. I'm essentially starting from nothing, so will do some more reading

[grim igloo]

but i've had this convo too many times and refuse to elaborate 😛

[rustic tundra]

Haha I for sure get that

[grim igloo]

you can search here for my advice i've given before

[rustic tundra]

I'm used to doing some digging getting Unraid/NAS and all that set up coming from someone who doesn't have IT background. Discord searches are my best friend

[grim igloo]

tldr: z2m personal opinion better, tube PoE gud, hue bulbs good, zigbee energy monitoring not worth putting traffic on mesh, interference and zigbee channel chosen for minimized interference necessary

tuya bad

[rustic tundra]

Perfect. Hue bulbs are about all I have so far as a long-term renter. Going Caseta for switches, Aqara for some of my sensors, then figuring things out from there

[grim igloo]

hue bulbs are great for a backbone of your mesh to act as repeaters/routers

however if you kill power to them then your mesh will fall over or have issues cuz you just killed a next hop route a device depends on

and lutron idk.. if you want good zigbee light switches buy inovelli blue

proprietary bridges aint it chief

even if they are "rock solid" that's a lot of excuses from people who invested thousands in them

[rustic tundra]

Definitely get that--my thought with Lutron is all I ever hear is about their great reliability (which is good for the wife approval factor)

Ha--took the words out of my mouth. That's likely it

[grim igloo]

boomer logic is hard to break

and lots of shit advice given on reddit

[rustic tundra]

Heard that

[grim igloo]

or outdated etc

same w/ youtubers honestly

lots of "fuck you buy this" vs "this is what's actually best"

[rustic tundra]

Yeah lot of the YTers are repeating the same stuff too

[grim igloo]

yeah

i dont trust them if they arent interacting with the community and very few do

[rustic tundra]

Nice, the Inovelli switches are pretty

[grim igloo]

more like a random dude who knows less than me picking up a megaphone

[rustic tundra]

Very normal looking

[grim igloo]

with lutron screwless plates in black and black inovelli paddles they look incredible

i dont have any cuz $50 a switch is just out of my price range

also the inovelli have a big long led strip along the entire light switch that is often used to show alarm status or door locks or w/e

[rustic tundra]

It'll be a long-term swap for our house. Definitely not all at once. Starting with bedroom/bathroom to get the wife invested and then moving from there since she likes the automations as well haha

[grim igloo]

but if you have fuck you money then hue and inovelli are a match made in heaven for zigbee mesh

ya just dont overextend where you have like hue bulbs but cant use the light switches

psychologically that fucks with you.. ask me how i know

[rustic tundra]

Older house, so I'm guessing the older, unrenovated side has no grounded switches. Will have to figure that out or just shell out for an electrician later

Oh I bet

[grim igloo]

oh

if you dont have neutrals you are in for pain

[rustic tundra]

Yep

[grim igloo]

err i think the inovellis do no neutral actually

just no power monitoring

either way safer to pay a sparky to rerun some shit man

[rustic tundra]

But I think we need to fix that anyway, so we're going to get them grounded

Yep

Gives me plenty of time to pick up switches if they ever go on sale/slowly build my sensors and whatnot

[grim igloo]

They don’t

[rustic tundra]

Figured. Ha

[grim igloo]

https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/collections/spring-sale zooz zwave has a big sale on now- I have and like their switches

Much more affordable but the inovelli is a more premium product from what I’ve heard with guys who have both

And then you’re forcing yourself to have more points of failure

[rustic tundra]

Love that price. Switches are the one piece I know guests/wife will not be happy with if there's ever a failure, so the Inovelli will likely be it. I may use the Zooz in a closet or something if I need to. Thanks for sending

[grim igloo]

I don’t mean the switches fail dude…

[rustic tundra]

Ah

[grim igloo]

I mean now you’re relying on a zigbee mesh and a zwave mesh

Generally speaking more points of failure

[rustic tundra]

Ahhh didn't even see that. Yeah got it

[grim igloo]

I do it but I know the risks

[rustic tundra]

Makes sense. And mixing devices = 2 potentially weaker mesh networks rather than a stronger network if I stick to one protocol, right?

[grim igloo]

Not necessarily

My zooz switches are my zwave mesh backbone and my hue bulbs are my zigbee backbone

[rustic tundra]

Got it

[grim igloo]

Whether I had inovelli switches instead wouldn’t really improve my mesh cuz I already have tons of routers

[forest arrow]

Greetings all, I got some aqara p1 motion sensors and I am using Sonoff to Zigbee controller with ZHA in home assistant. Is there a trick to getting them to stay working? I get them online and it seems like in a couple of hours they either go unavailable or they show clear but do not work.

I have even changed batteries on some just in case.

Do I need to do something to make them stay available? They are going to be in my walk in pantry and my mud room so there is not alot of traffic and there will be many hours when they are not triggered.

[grim igloo]

Interference

Are you using a sonoff usb dongle like p or e?

On a long usb cable?

[forest arrow]

it is a sonoff zigbee that is just plugged into the wall, it does not direct connect to my HA pc

https://www.amazon.com/SONOFF-Gateway-Multi-Device-Management-Compatible/dp/B09ZQQZSQZ/ref=asc_df_B09ZQQZSQZ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=598351582490&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10025919562146028747&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028997&hvtargid=pla-1666787546799&psc=1&mcid=e32403198a203fcba145846a474d8679&gclid=Cj0KCQjw-_mvBhDwARIsAA-Q0Q4j2tyATLsUo93b_jys9UBTTWy48zZXjSkhOyy8eLfrkjF6TFVMgH0aArSjEALw_wcB

[grim igloo]

Ya return that junk

[forest arrow]

hmmm it has been working for all the rest of my zigbee stuff

but what is a good alternate

[grim igloo]

Ok have fun lol

[forest arrow]

That was not what I was saying, it was just surprising to hear that

when it had been working

It is not working at all with motion sensors

I have tried 3 of them

what is a dongle you would recommend? I also have about 8 of the https://www.amazon.com/Sonoff-S31-SONOFF-Plug-White/dp/B08TNF4835/ref=asc_df_B08TNF4835/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=507647825193&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11317745619641097006&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028997&hvtargid=pla-1177432120963&psc=1&mcid=a011b7048fbc3332a1878b35fdeda8c1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw-_mvBhDwARIsAA-Q0Q7ZxYNkELMeD9RqZbJ9zCftZhU4xF6Gn5w0bzY7mcKgtt-8vi6Q0aQaAkfdEALw_wcB that are used for mesh routers

[grim igloo]

you meant to link the sonoff s31 zigbee not wifi models correct?

[forest arrow]

Yes I did the outlets are also zigbee

[grim igloo]

i have and like the wifi models myself

ok so you should really consider a proper zigbee coordinator whether it be a usb dongle or a PoE one

[forest arrow]

I am good with that, do yhou have one you can recommend

[grim igloo]

i used to use the sonoff p dongle (around $20 on amazon) before switching to a PoE one

if you are using zha then you can go the E dongle (newer chipset)

[forest arrow]

https://itead.cc/product/zigbee-3-0-usb-dongle/ ?

[grim igloo]

https://tubeszb.com/product/cc2652p7-zigbee-to-poe-coordinator-2023/ i use this with zigbee2mqtt but it would work with zha too. or you could buy his efr32 based one instead

[grim igloo]

yes but you can buy it on amazon or save a few bucks on aliexpress instead

[forest arrow]

OK I will give it a shot.

[grim igloo]

buy a usb extension cord

https://youtu.be/tHqZhNcFEvA 30 second video showing why

[forest arrow]

So for any controller I should try to have it hooked direct to the HA PC?

[grim igloo]

a shielded usb extender i use like a 10 foot one

[grim igloo]

not necessarily

[forest arrow]

sure

[grim igloo]

the issue with the shit you own is it's a wifi only device

so you go from zigbee wireless low mesh protocol to wifi

and it's just a shitty option

[forest arrow]

ok

[grim igloo]

either you buy a usb one

or you use a PoE one like i linked above, but that requires you to already have ethernet in the walls to plug in via PoE and a PoE switch. if you dont already have all that then it isnt really relevant

[forest arrow]

yep have ethernet in the walls so good there and a POE switch

[grim igloo]

then that's what i'd suggest - i indeed use the one i linked above

[forest arrow]

Perfect, going to purchase now

[grim igloo]

but if you're using zha not z2m then buy the efr32 based one

[forest arrow]

I am also willing to change to z2m

[grim igloo]

https://tubeszb.com/product/efr32-mgm21-poe-coordinator/ this one for zha

[forest arrow]

I want best overall performance as I am working to try to turn this into a security system with zigbee sensors also

[grim igloo]

it's just personal preference more than anything

you wont have better performance on z2m vs zha

[forest arrow]

ok that is great to know, I was going to go research the diffs so your statement is helpful

[grim igloo]

yep that is what i do with alarmo

[grim igloo]

well there's a bunch of bs and outdated info online between zha and z2m

what it boils down to is zha is baked into home assistant which simplifies startup but also is considered a downside to some and prefer z2m where zigbee is decoupled from home assistant

[forest arrow]

yeah been finding that out as I have been reading. And I think I need to do a better job of creating the mesh network

[grim igloo]

also

z2m has a products page for each device (altho you can use this as a 1:1 with zha)

and in my opinion a more advanced and user friendly gui

but your light bulbs wont turn on faster with z2m vs zha

[forest arrow]

I heard some products give you more capabilities with z2m

[grim igloo]

bs

some features are added sooner to some devices to z2m but zha is making that a thing of the past with some ai fuckery i think

and regardless that is about edge case stuff that i generally wouldnt even buy or suggest

[forest arrow]

got ya

right

[grim igloo]

like random tuya chinese junk

so moot point really

for example, the zha devs (well one of them) added support for the aqara smart pet feeder to ZHA before z2m had it

because he bought one and wanted to do it and had the skills to do it lol

anyways i still like z2m but i like to give ZHA fair credit

[forest arrow]

Great, Thanks for all this help @grim igloo about to go to dinner but do appreciate the assist

[grim igloo]

zha also does some QoL things that are nice like backing up aggressively

and automatically doing a zigbee energy scan and choosing best channel before starting your mesh

highly suggest doing this manually if you go z2m

ok later dude

[forest arrow]

ok thanks

[manic plinth]

Is it normal for ZHA light groups to be a lot less responsive/reliable than regular HA light groups?

Turning off a light fixture with 3 bulbs in it works perfect 100% of the time using a regular HA light group

With a ZHA light group it will throw "NETWORK BUSY" errors

[molten linden]

This can happen on larger networks with a lot of routers as the group command will be broadcast and repeated 3 times by every router basically storming the network. A HA group will just send unicast messages to the individual devices.

[manic plinth]

No way to prevent that I guess? I have about 30-40 devices of which most are lightbulbs that are also routers

[molten linden]

Others may know more than me. I have a 180+ device network and have 2 zigbee groups of lights - one with 2 and the other with 5, and not work as expected. So I assume there are some other factors.

[manic plinth]

I think I might just switch to Z2M

I've read online that it's a lot more reliable

[molten linden]

Has nothing to do with host software.

[grim igloo]

fwiw i use zigbee groups almost exclusively in multiple rooms without issue with around 50 devices. i couldnt get my kitchen to sync perfectly with hass groups but zigbee group for all the bulbs (11) in there works very well

but i also use groups for just 2 bulbs and dont see any issues. but i dont have a busy mesh (no energy monitoring on the mesh for example)

tube is right tho, there's no benefit to switching to z2m as far as reliability

that's just a bunch of bs shared on reddit / by youtubers that dont know anything

[manic plinth]

You don't have any issue with network busy errors? @grim igloo

If I turn off 2 light groups at the same time it will already spit out network busy errors

Which amounts to 6 bulbs

[grim igloo]

Tbh I never look at z2m logs

Only if something goes wrong

[manic plinth]

I'm not getting the errors in my logs, I'm getting them as a notification on the dashboard when I try to turn multiple light groups on/off

[grim igloo]

Maybe zha reacts to things better and therefore logs things that z2m should? I have no idea

That’s puddly territory

[manic plinth]

Failed to enqueue message after 3 attempts: <EmberStatus.NETWORK_BUSY: 161>

I just get this

Anyways is there no way to somehow a way to intercept zha_event command: on so that I can make it do adaptive_lighting.apply before it turns the light on?

Other than unbinding the switch from the bulb and making an automation

Because if I do that I can't control my lights anymore if my network is down

[regal pumice]

I'm trying to setup zigbee2mqtt for the first time

I'm currently using ZHA

And I have one device that's only compatible with zigbee2mqtt

I already have a mqtt broker running for my ring hub

And I've added the repo for zigbee2mqtt and installed it

It's web ui is taking me too bad gateway, can't find anything in the logs

I'm also not using a USB zigbee bridge, I'm using an ethernet zigbee bridge, the tubszb design.

How should I go around setting up zigbee2mqtt?

[grim igloo]

please share the zigbee2mqtt configuration.yaml file (sanitized with no pw)

are you running it in a docker container or addon

[regal pumice]

I haven't touched the file, so it would be default

And no, I'm using HAOS

So addon

[ashen bluff]

Check the addon logs.

[regal pumice]

Already did

Nothing

[regal pumice]

I'm wondering if I need further configuration?

[grim igloo]

well

yes of course

[ashen bluff]

Is it even started? Can you show a picture?

[grim igloo]

if z2m cant find the coordinator then it wont start

and you just said you didnt configure it

so lol

[regal pumice]

Bingo

Ehehe

How do I configure this, my coordinator is not usb based

[grim igloo]

https://dpaste.org/6fRk7

well

copy paste that, it is my z2m config yaml for the z2m addon

[regal pumice]

I'm accessing it over the network

[grim igloo]

using a tube PoE coordinator

which you just said you are doing

change your mqtt broker username, password, and the IP of it

and then save and start

https://imgur.com/a/THurxjm click this and change to edit in yaml

then copy paste and change

[regal pumice]

Oki doki, you guys are amazing. I'll let you know how it goes

[regal pumice]

Is the tcp address for the coordinator?

If so just point to mine

[grim igloo]

i feel like you can answer that yourself brah

lol

[regal pumice]

I'm just checking ahaha

[grim igloo]

https://tenor.com/sCLI.gif

[ashen bluff]

Best to follow the actual docs: https://github.com/zigbee2mqtt/hassio-zigbee2mqtt#installation

[grim igloo]

not really

i told him exactly what he needs to know

[regal pumice]

The docs did not mention how to work with a network coordinator

[grim igloo]

he got a lil piece of paper in the tube PoE coordinator with directions but it's all good

i was confused too

[regal pumice]

Well I set mine up with zha

It was remarkably easy

I just need the extra addon for a moez ir remote

Doubt I'll find anything else to use it with

[ashen bluff]

Mostly because of

leave empty when using the Mosquitto broker addon

[grim igloo]

That was added after I setup my shit and I just never updated the yaml

It still works

[regal pumice]

Can I leave it empty

Remove those lines

I'm running the broker

[ashen bluff]

#zigbee-archived message
#zigbee-archived message

[grim igloo]

i gave you everything you need

what you do from here is on you good luck

[regal pumice]

Seems to find the broker on it's own

I've gained access to the web gui after adding the address for my coordinator

Thank you for the help, appreciate it

[grim igloo]

that means z2m is running

now turn it off

and do an energy scan

https://github.com/tube0013/tubeszb_addons

[regal pumice]

What's an energy scan?

[grim igloo]

if you dont do this now and you change channels later you have to re-join every device

https://github.com/tube0013/tubeszb_addons/blob/main/tzb-zigpy-cli-tools/DOCS.md this specifically

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/551843655682490399/1106178016201158696/ZigBee_Channels.png?ex=660e8c0e&is=65fc170e&hm=b2c6f8a8db48f9d710b80b0ea979174304e8d93a011594dfc96184efdbb7c352&

it shows you what the interference is on each channel

for you then to pick the least used channel on a ZLL channel ONLY

aka 11/15/20/25

but 11 is fucked cuz wifi channel 1 is all up in that shit

so choose 15/20/25 based on whichever has the lowest number after you run the energy scan

then set the zigbee channel to that number in zigbee2mqtt

then turn on dark mode in z2m then join your first device

[grim igloo]

the z2m docs still working here or was this helpful too?

[ashen bluff]

You know it was 😉

[grim igloo]

i do

[regal pumice]

I've turned off z2mqtt, now what's an energy scan, and which addon from the tubzb repo do I need in order to use it?

[grim igloo]

bruh

[regal pumice]

I'm getting somwhere

[grim igloo]

owlrly

[regal pumice]

So I need to use zigbee cli tools in the tubezb repo

I disable zha correct?

And anything using the radio

Don't let the addon auto boot as that would cause issues in the future

Go through the configuration

Only thing I'm stuck on is baudrate

What is it, and how do I find which rate am I using?

[regal pumice]

Figured out the buad just left it at default

[regal pumice]

How do I choose, I've done an energy scan, currently it's using 11 at 50%

Performance is fine atm

Do I set this in zha and zigbee2mqtt

Or is this something I change in the esphome firmware?

Or perhaps via cli tools

[regal pumice]

Figured it out

I was already using 25

Thats the best channel in my scenario

Running energy scan selected 11

So I reverted back to 25 and set z2m to use 25 as well

Everything works now

Thank you

[regal pumice]

Update

I'm having issues

Apparently zigbee2mqtt is trying to change settings like the network key

And zha says devices are unavailable

I didn't change the channel

It's the same between addons

After disabling z2m

I have access to my zha devices but their lagging

Lots of delays and and automations have halted

Tried rebooting

Any suggestions what I've screwed up

As time has progressed things are working again

Huh I guess it was building the mesh

Okay... so

Why is z2m trying to change the configuration, how can I pass the zha network configuration to z2m?

[astral seal]

Are you trying to use the same coordinator for zha and z2m?

If so you can't do that.

[regal pumice]

Well shoot

I did not know that

[regal pumice]

Is there any way to do that 😭

If not can you suggest a second... that's cheap

I only need it for two devices

[astral seal]

Why not just run everything in z2m?

[umbral galleon]

hi everyone. it try to install a Tuya Zigbee TRV its a TS0601 TZE200_p3dbf6qs i already added the information to the TS0601_TRV_MOES.py quirk. but still only 2 entities showing up., i am using ZHA

[regal pumice]

Because I have over 20 devices, most of them are relay modules, and I do not want to go back into junctions to repair them

Not to mention I actually like zha

Which one of these would you guys recommend?

I'm not familiar enough with chipsets

I could go with this one if I want to do it over wifi 🤷

I kinda wanna go usb though, and pass through a port to my Home Assistant virtual Machine

[ashen bluff]

You might want to sanitize/trim those links. Those parameters are not needed: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/Common_questions/Web_mechanics/What_is_a_URL/

[sinful swift]

So only use ZHA then

[sullen shore]

I am so lost with tuya, I bought this https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005005876070217.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.15.34d25c5fIVvSpq&gatewayAdapt=glo2deu
thinking I can connect it to the home assistant using "local tuya" but I don't seem to be able to see my temp sensor for some reason

is this not compatible with local tuya?

[quartz kettle]

I still have issues with my Aqara Lumi Smart plug EU not showing energy usage in combination with ZHA how can this be fixed?

[dusk schooner]

Can I turn Zigbee discovery on via a service call so I can automate it?

[sudden yarrow]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha#service-zhapermit

[lime locust]

had a waterleak sensor battery % 16% replaced it , and it still remains at 16% , even after a week ... Will repairing it fix this ?

[regal pumice]

I have one device in my whole stack that only supports z2m

[regal pumice]

That's link is dead...

But I know, just haven't found a way to do it on mobile

Which one of these chipsets is preferred

Especially if I might wanna flash custom firmware

Looks like you can simultaneously have matter/thread support 👀

https://postimg.cc/gallery/R4FqFQ6

Sonnoff CC2652P + CP2102N or Sonnoff EFR32MG21?

[dusk schooner]

Perfect, thank you.

[mellow geode]

Using a Conbee? Update coordinator firmware and re-pair

[quartz kettle]

I have a Sonoff

[mellow geode]

Sonoff-P or -E?

If it’s a P, then check the Z-Stack version you have installed. It should show when downloading ZHA integration diagnostics

The current best version is 20221226.
Too old of a version, and it won’t work with newer Xiaomi/Aqara devices.

[quartz kettle]

ZBdongle-P

[quartz kettle]

Firmware: Z-Stack 20210708

[mellow geode]

Yeah, pretty sure you’ll need to update that

[quartz kettle]

Well that's a pain

[quartz kettle]

it wont go into bootloader mode

[ashen bluff]

It's fixed now, I just had a stray >.

[split sage]

Is Multi-pan RCP still buggy on the ZBdongle-e?

[austere patio]

It's buggy on everything

[split sage]

I was hoping there was some development going forwards. Considering rolling back now : (

[austere patio]

Development for it is frozen. Unless you have no other Thread border router, you'd have a much better time switching to normal firmware

[regal pumice]

Thanks

[sudden crest]

Is there a trick to see the exact version of a "TS011F" plug. It seems they are almost all called that way. Nous, Blitzwolf SHP15 and also my current plain old Tuya (ali) branded ones.

I'm looking for something different then the models I currently have.

[feral sandal]

hi all. I have a question. I use the philips hue bridge. Is there any reason to use the skyconnect as zigbee? Or can the hue bridge serve as a zigbee gateway?

[grim igloo]

The hue bridge makes a great coaster

[sudden crest]

Lol.

[grim igloo]

With bulbs on a zigbee coordinator they act as repeaters for any zigbee device instead of just friends of hue bs

And no more 40ish device limit where your mesh falls over cuz the hue bridge shits itself

So.. maybe?

[sudden crest]

But the answer is no. The bridge cannot afaik. Only Hue and Friends of Hue.

Not other "plain old" zigbee devices.

[feral sandal]

i see

so basically if it's a hue compatible device then fine

[grim igloo]

No

[feral sandal]

but using plain old zigbee will just cause SHTF

[grim igloo]

If it’s a device the manufacturer paid hue to allow on their proprietary cloud connected bridge

[feral sandal]

I see

well i'm transitioning to matter and thread

[grim igloo]

That’s a mistake

[feral sandal]

don't have anything zigbee outside of hue

[feral sandal]

how so?

Im intersted in knowing your thoughts

What would you recommend instead?

[grim igloo]

Matter and thread are disappointing at best in their current state. Zigbee zwave and a sprinkling of Wi-Fi devices is the best solution at this time

Where did you learn about matter and thread to decide on using them?

[feral sandal]

i learned about it a while back

it's been hard to find decent zwave devices

but i do get your point

they are still a very much WIP

most of my devices are either hue, or wifi

then 5 switches that are matter/homekit

ive a got a few smart power monitoring plugs from TP Link / KASA that are matter

but i don't think they were matter over thread

so i only have 2 aqara p2 sensors that are matter over thread

[lofty kindle]

It's usually listed in Z2M as 'TZ3000' followed by random digits

[regal pumice]

Which option is best for Z2M?

[ashen bluff]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/#recommended

[sudden crest]

Yeah, that is in ZHA too. I'll see if I can work with that. Kinda done with my plugs turning off when hass is down for whatever reason.

Only very few Google results for that, which I have not been able to found again, so hope it is limited to that specific range I have.

[tired zenith]

Hi @all,
Does anyone use a Philips Iris with ZHA? I have the problem that I can only set on/off, inrush current, color temperature (white) and start behavior. I cannot change colors... Do I need a "quirk" or something? Its my first device in ZHA (newbie) 😄

[tulip patrol]

Hi @tired zenith I use a Philips Iris with ZHA and I'm able to change colours. It was added like any other hue device, without any additional quirks. Sorry I'm not sure why yours isn't working. Maybe a firmware update for the bulb is required prior to re-adding it to ZHA

[tropic depot]

Try to reconfigure it on the device page

[tired zenith]

thanks for you answers! i reconfigured it and its still the same:

oh, no pictures allowed here...

while reconfiguring the iris flashes green, then goes back to white where it stays

[tired zenith]

firmware is up 2 date

[rustic crown]

I'm using a home assistant yellow and trying to get two tuya zigbee devices (an IR blaster and a blind controller) working

what do I do?

am i supposed to disable ZHA and move everything I have there to zigbee2mqtt?

[languid sky]

you can wait until someone makes a "quirk" for ZHA for it to work.
or write the quirk yourself (but if you're asking the question, i'll assume u won't be able to do that)

or… as i've already mentioned, in this particular case: i'd switch to Z2M (as it's most likely going to work there).

|| or buy another device. and investigate if it works with ZHA/Z2M before you buy it ||

[rustic crown]

struggling to even install z2m lmfao

following the instructions they give me and it still gives me errors out the ass 😭

[languid sky]

yep, it is more advanced

[rustic crown]

i've got mosquitto

and z2m

[rapid dawn]

@rustic crown I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[sour shadow]

Zigbee2MQTT:error 2024-03-25 13:00:32: Error: spawn udevadm ENOENT

Can't find the stick on the path you gave it

Assuming you gave it a path

[whole wind]

hey

[rapid dawn]

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options including the CC2652 based sticks. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and as of 1.35.0 now has opportunistic support similar to ZHA. This change has simplified adding support for new devices.

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

[sour shadow]

TL/DR: Yes you can ☝️

Most sane people pick ZHA (part of HA) or Zigbee2MQTT (external to HA)

[whole wind]

how do they connect to alexa from a networking point of view?

[sour shadow]

Well, HA does, they don't

HA is at the heart of everything and hides the what from the other what

[grim igloo]

You replace the proprietary cloud connected hue bridge with a zigbee coordinator that home assistant controls via zha or z2m

[sour shadow]

Alexa doesn't get to know (or care) how that bulb connects to HA, assuming it's even a bulb and not something else that HA claims is a bulb

[grim igloo]

It’s a very good solution

[whole wind]

from a purely technical point of view, some type of propietary wireless signal?

[sour shadow]

Zigbee, yes

[grim igloo]

Whether you then allow bezos to cuck your privacy with Alexa is your call

[whole wind]

i'm trying to uncuck myself with a deep dive in to HA

[grim igloo]

Then ignore Alexa’s existence

[sour shadow]

Zigbee device <> Zigbee coordinator <> HA <> Alexa

[grim igloo]

And buy a zigbee coordinator and profit

[whole wind]

for now they have to co-habit, or the family will kill me

[grim igloo]

Then cuck yourself after getting a zigbee coordinator

A partial cuck if you will

Not relevant to zigbee just home assistant Alexa #integrations-archived

Home assistant will get a collection of entities in the form of a device from the zigbee coordinator software chosen (zha vs z2m)

Which you would then integrate to google or Amazon or Apple or fully local with stuff like esphome #voice-assistants-archived

Regardless of what bs is written on the box 📦 of the product you buy

My zwave locks work great via HomeKit (Siri) cuz I add that functionality with home assistant

[whole wind]

Zigbee coordinator <- this is some type of physical device?

[sour shadow]

Yes

[grim igloo]

It do

[sour shadow]

Read the top pinned message

[grim igloo]

I use a PoE based one myself or there are usb dongles you throw on a usb extender

[whole wind]

trying to get an understanding here, I'm no it pro, but the device connects to my LAN, and manages signals from the bulbs

and connects to HA server via lan

[sour shadow]

The coordinator is the radio bridge for Zigbee

it connects over USB or LAN, depending on what you buy

[whole wind]

will need to be LAN, as I'll need a few of them due to shape of house

[grim igloo]

Nope

Your bulbs act as repeaters along the mesh

[whole wind]

ah do they

[sour shadow]

Please take the time to read those pinned messages

[grim igloo]

You centrally locate the coordinator then don’t kill power to the repeaters

Yea you should

[sour shadow]

The pins have answers to all the questions, plus ones you haven't thought of yet

[whole wind]

ok will take a look

thanks both

what's the crowd favourite zha coordinator?

just gonna buy something and test it out

[grim igloo]

One that me and tinkerer don’t use or suggest

[whole wind]

lol

[sour shadow]

For network connected, the UZG or Tube's are both good options

[whole wind]

your names are a clue I guess

[sour shadow]

https://uzg.zig-star.com/
https://www.tubeszb.com/

[whole wind]

cheers 🙂

[mellow geode]

Try to restart HA after the reconfiguration. If it doesn’t work, completely remove and re-pair the device.
The reconfiguration process still needs to be improved (doesn’t re-read existing cached attributes IIRC and also doesn’t "re-generate the HA entity")

[rustic crown]

ok thanks, got it running now

still get the 502 though lmao

augh

[sour shadow]

Check the log file for Z2M

[rustic crown]

oh it took a minute to populate itself

here

wait i can't upload files here

https://pastebin.com/jMemSx3G

[grim igloo]

You sure you waited for the addon to start before visiting it?

[rustic crown]

yes

but then it stops itself

[sour shadow]

Zigbee2MQTT:info  2024-03-25 14:37:02: Zigbee2MQTT started!
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2024-03-25 14:37:28: Adapter disconnected, stopping

That's your problem

[rustic crown]

it's a yellow box so i don't think i can disconnect the adapter

[sour shadow]

You can't, but the adapter did

Make sure that ZHA is disabled

Make sure you're not running any multi-protocol add-on

[rustic crown]

ah shit ok yeah, i didn't do that first

[grim igloo]

Yellow has efr32 chipset 😦

Why’d you buy a yellow and not use zha?

[rustic crown]

because ZHA doesn't work with the blind controller and IR blaster I have and I have been told to use z2m

and i got the yellow because i wanted things to just work, lol

[grim igloo]

it might need a quirk but you can ask for help and get it added and working in zha

[rustic crown]

i'd much rather do that tbh

z2m is doing my head in

[grim igloo]

i like and use z2m

but you are part of team "just work"

so zha it is 😛

[whole wind]

quick one; either of these good?

SONOFF
Universal Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus Gateway with Antenna for Home Assistant, IoBroker, Zigbee2MQTT

SONOFF Universal Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus ZBDongle E Gateway with Antenna for Home Assistant, Open HAB etc, Support Data Flow Control

just looking for something cheap to try out for now

[sour shadow]

The E is fine, not great for Z2M but fine for ZHA

[split sage]

Multi-pan development is dead 😦 https://github.com/home-assistant/addons/issues/3446#issuecomment-1960230263

[austere patio]

Not dead, frozen

[split sage]

I mean it's pretty much dead, with the pace of Thread development

[carmine hamlet]

thread and multipan aren't really the same thing

it's an optimization

[split sage]

Yeh, I get you. But, is having Thread separately any better?

[sour shadow]

Yes

[grim igloo]

enjoys his light bulbs without an IP

[sour shadow]

Thread + Zigbee has been found to be ... less than solid, hence why it's been paused

[carmine hamlet]

it's not the end of the world to use another dongle

[split sage]

I see another alternative is Openthread, is that any better or just the same?

[austere patio]

OpenThread is the main Thread implementation that everyone uses

Multi-PAN uses OpenThread. As does normal Thread RCP firmware.

[split sage]

Ah okay

I would get the Zigstar if was more widely available tbh

Not too sure about those clones

[viscid cloud]

Hi, using Sky Connect Zigbee stick with ZHA integration. Anyone an idea how I can add my TRV 602 thermostat as thermostat? It is recognized but doesn’t work as thermostat.

[austere patio]

If it's a Tuya device, it likely won't work until someone reverse engineers it and explicitly adds support: https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/

[split sage]

Doesn't the SkyConnect use multi-pan?

[sour shadow]

Only if you flash it that way

[split sage]

Ah okay, so not out of the box

[carmine hamlet]

it uses a chipset that can be flashed for Zigbee, Thread, or Multipan

[ivory shuttle]

And is very reliable for ZigBee

I've got a basically same chipset dongle setup to be thread only that isn't reliable though

And multipan is unreliable, getting worse performance both for the thread and ZigBee functions

[silent furnace]

Hello I'm new here and im just wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a Zigbee bulb G16 type. I'm trying to find one for me kitchen light. If this should be posted somewhere else or not all let me know

[mellow geode]

There are few small Zigbee bulbs. Smallest I can think of right now is a "Philips Hue Luster" bulb

[regal pumice]

Thanks

[polar cobalt]

hey all,

wird problem here with Z2M. Skyconnect Stick, but i guess thats not the source of my problem:
i have new GU10 lights in one Room (Ikea Tradfri) and a dimmer (ikea Styrbar) and still the wallmount switch installed. You know what happens: if someone uses the switch the lights are powered off. Thats not the problem.
The Problem is: the Dimmer then uses a totally different device to switch on/off most of the time a aqara plug with a computer connected 😉
i tried with automation and with node red, both same experience. Nothing to see then in the log regarding the "connection" from dimmer (tried also other devices)
it helps to pair the device again.
how can i prevent to do so after power off? Bind the dimmer to a device? (for the notes: its a helper "light", i did not select the differnt lights)
hope my problem is clear?
Thanks

[sour shadow]

The problem is that they're already bound

[polar cobalt]

but why then using another device to toggle / wwitch on/off? i didnt choose this one. Same behaviour in another room, but then it chooses the plug in thios room

[sour shadow]

That's Tradfri for you

This kind of thing is common with them, sadly

You'll have to unbind them

https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/3424 and others

[polar cobalt]

cool - thanks, didnt find this one. Just a tradfri/styrbar/ikea thing? never had i before, using lots og Heimanns, Aqara thins here

[sour shadow]

That's Tradfri for you
This kind of thing is common with them, sadly

[pseudo nova]

Hello, I am new to the smart home area and am looking for a way to have "smart light bulbs" that respect privacy.
I have read that Zigbee is recommended.
Can someone briefly explain what I need for this?
I want to install homeassistant and then control the light bulbs, but what else do I need?

I haven't set up, bought or done anything yet.

I don't quite understand what I need and have to buy.
I have a Raspberry Pi for Home Assistant, nothing more yet.

[rapid dawn]

The pinned messages of this channel are:

• "blog.ceard.tech/2019/11/zigbee-and-home-assistant and ..."
• "github.com/Koenkk/Z-Stack-firmware/tree/7398d834eb3a790..."
• "I just set up some addons for doing Firmware updates to TubesZB ..."
• "embeded content"
• "New video from home assistant demonstrating USB zigbee interfere..."
• "If you're setting up Zigbee2MQTT then: 1. Upgrade your CC2652 to..."
• "Bellows - Zigbee Channel Scan pastebin.com/bk1hN0Et"
• "Fixing a corrupted SQLite database isn't something that can easi..."
• "HUSBZB-1 fw update cheatsheet. SSH into your HA machine and then..."
• "github.com/zigpy/zigpy-znp/blob/dev/TOOLS.md#backup-and-..."
• "A good write-up of how the Zigbee mesh works: linkdhome...."
• "community.hubitat.com/t/xiaomi-aqara-devices-pairing-ke..."
• "Reddit - homeassistant - How to update your IKEA or Ledevance f..."
• "From github.com/zha-ng/zigpy-znp/ pip install git+https..."
• "For device options, see www.zigbee2mqtt.io/supported-de..."
• "Zigbee and WiFi coexistence: support.metageek.com/hc/en..."

[sour shadow]

Have a read of the links in the top pinned message

You need:

1. A coordinator
2. Some Zigbee routers (depending on how far the lighs are from the coordinator)
3. Not to be drowned in WiFi signals

[pseudo nova]

That means, although I have the raspberry pi with home assistant, do I still need a coordinator and zigbee router?

[sour shadow]

Yes

Zigbee is a radio protocol, like WiFi or Bluetooth. You need the hardware to be able to send and receive the right signals

It's also a mesh protocol - you extend the reach of the coordinator with (Zigbee) routers - see the top pinned post

[pseudo nova]

Should i buy ZBDongle-E or ZBDongle-P?

[placid willow]

Either works. The main thing you'll want to worry about is having enough repeaters and not having it close to a WiFi router. Repeaters can be light switchers or outlets, so duel purpose.

[sour shadow]

The E is good for ZHA, not so good for Zigbee2MQTT. The P has known problems and is best avoided

[pseudo nova]

I think, i want to use Zigbee2MQTT?

It is more difficult than I thought to decide 😅

is there a major difference if i use ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT?

[ashen bluff]

Well they are different software developed by different people. I suggest you try both.

[rapid dawn]

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options including the CC2652 based sticks. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and as of 1.35.0 now has opportunistic support similar to ZHA. This change has simplified adding support for new devices.

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

[warm parcel]

I have an incredibly dumb question, and just feeling overwhelmed (I've bought the wrong thing twice, I think! especially because the Sengled app keeps crashing!) I'm trying to get some smart bulbs that are Zigbee that I can control through both HA and Google Home (using ZHA btw), that let me control the color of the lights. Seems that I need to buy a hub; any recommendations on both a hub and what lights I should get? These Sengled ones are OK at best, what with the app crashing 😦

Regular light outlet, and then some candelebra base ones too, if anyone has suggestions I'd really appreciate it

[sour shadow]

HA would be the hub

Connect HA to Google, and then you can control anything in HA using Google

[rapid dawn]

Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

[sour shadow]

Don't buy the Sonoff P, but otherwise the lists above are good

[warm parcel]

OK, cool cool; I bought a SkyConnect little adapter a while back, I'm assuming that doesn'--as I'm typing it I realized it wouldn't be able to give IP addresses so it probably wouldn't work, huh.

Because the lights are at least showing up in HA (minus the ability control the color, which is disappointing as that's what the box says); is there a way to have the Google Home then send a command to HA? (and I can move that to another channel if needed ❤️ )

[sour shadow]

The SkyConnect is all you need, well that and Zigbee routers and stuff

[languid sky]

Don't buy the Sonoff P
Oh, why not? I think it's the first time I see someone not recommending it [?]

[sour shadow]

Hit up search, I've answered that hundreds of times, including earlier today

Others have also answered it many times

[warm parcel]

But OK, so I should be good with this little SkyConnect Dongle, out through the provided cable; it detects devices, but I'm not sure how to communicate to them through Google as they're not detecting that way. Any tips/suggestions/sites to read/places to cry? (Using ZHA btw)

[sour shadow]

Again connect HA to Google

[rapid dawn]

Google Assistant

Setup for Google Assistant integration

Quality scale

No score

IoT Class

Cloud Push

Integration type

integration

Documentation

View the documentation

Source

View the source on GitHub

Issues

View known issues

@languid sky I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[sour shadow]

#zigbee-archived message

[languid sky]

I've seen it. The question still remains: why? As I've mentioned above: I've just read 2 pages of search results…

[sour shadow]

Because there's known bugs, including hardware level problems

Maybe you get a good one. Maybe you get a bad one but never trip the bugs.

As with pretty much all Sonoff buyer beware

[warm parcel]

Oh snap, I didn't know you could connect it like that!

You rock, thank you ❤️

[grim igloo]

Home assistant is magical you just gotta know what questions to ask or at least come in willing to learn here/forums/reddit and hope the right person is willing and able to impart some wisdom

But once you get the basics down everything else falls into place

[dapper sand]

I have a number of zigbee downlights and after a power blip some of them didn't come back. They're not available in HA. I've tried power cycling them per the docs (5x 3 seconds on/off) and I can't get them to reset. I even setup a smart plug and power cycled them with that timing try to get them to be available to re-pair.
any thoughts or did they just up and die on me and I should give up?

[violet onyx]

VERY often my buttons that I have setup with zigbee2mqtt suddenly doesnt work. They work for a day or two but then suddenly they doesnt react

this also happens with my motionsensors (sonoff)

[sour shadow]

That's probably a problem with interference or low batteries

[violet onyx]

i have fresh batteries

[sour shadow]

Have you:

1. Put the coordinator on a USB extension cable?
2. Used a Zigbee channel clear of all WiFi?

See https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/advanced/zigbee/02_improve_network_range_and_stability.html too

[violet onyx]

yepp its on a cable and there are no walls or so between my sensors

so could be wifi then... now I have to learn that....

[sour shadow]

There's pinned messages to help there

could also just be crap end devices... Sonoff's devices are known to fall off the mesh

[violet onyx]

hmm my dongle hangs on my wifi router... could that be causing this?

[reef inlet]

I'm looking into creating a custom quirk for a motion sensor I have just bought , I have a similar models quirk but it doesn't seem to work. the question I have is how do I know what clusters and suchlike are available on the device? I've tried using zha toolbox and doing a scan device but it only appears to tell me all the stuff that the quirk already installed (or not much at all when the quirk isn't installed). I'm assuming the must be a way of querying the device itself and ignoring what zha does or doesn't know about it

[reef inlet]

or if there are any discord channels specifically for this sort of thing I'd be happy to trot off there and try to learn from there instead of it's a bit out of the remit of the HA channel

[rapid dawn]

@hardy spruce I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[austere patio]

If you download diagnostics for the device or look at the signature in the "manage Zigbee device" section, the endpoints and clusters will be shown in there

[sour shadow]

hmm my dongle hangs on my wifi router

[reef inlet]

I'm sure I tried that and it just listed out all of the stuff related to the quirk or next to nothing ... gave similar output to scan device in zha toolkit. I'll check again though obviously.

[austere patio]

Quirks match based on endpoints and clusters. If your device differs from the quirk signature in any way, it won't match

[lapis crypt]

Hey guys,
i try to add the zigbee2mqtt with the mosquito on my home assistant. i had the ZHA configured before. but i uninstalled it.
My HA is in a VM on Proxmox.
what am i Doing wrong here? why cant i add the USB Stick to the tigbee2mqtt?

Here are some detailed Pictures.
https://nextcloud.kimschehl.de/s/w6t2faREnZeaNDd

[austere patio]

The v2 dongle requires that you specify the ezsp radio type. Z2M defaults to znp.

[carmine hamlet]

which isn't ideal for Z2M, where support for that is experimental

[rapid dawn]

@lapis crypt I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[reef inlet]

thanks. yeah i get that. ok so i've got the diag from both when i was "present" and in a lit room, and when i wasnt there and it was in the dark. the diag files are identical other than the timestamp and signal strength. so i'm struggling to understand how to get a full read out of all of the attributes etc so i can at least start to work out how to map that into a quirk
if it helps - https://pastebin.com/3zsi4Xru is the output. it only seems to list (from what I can tell) the usual standard attiributes like OTA and basic manufacturer id etc.
and for completeness, here is the output from zha toolkit's scan device - https://pastebin.com/pFnBm5w5

[lapis crypt]

@carmine hamlet Thanks it worked

[hardy spruce]

Hi all, I tried sending this earlier, but the bot decided to make it a download, so I don't think anyone saw it.

I've been having trouble with ZigBee for a while, and have recreated my (~80 device [mostly routers]) network a couple of times, first on ZHA, then on Z2M, and now I moved my network back to ZHA from Z2M without recreating it from scratch. I frequently get errors that sound like there's too much traffic or something, and I just noticed that I'm getting dozens of "attribute_updated" events per minute. They're primarily coming from my lights, which are Eaton Halo recessed lights. It looks like they're listing the firmware version. Here is a (censored) example.

[rapid dawn]

@hardy spruce I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[hardy spruce]

Does anyone have any suggestions?

[hardy spruce]

One of the messages I get is "Failed to call service light/turn_off. Failed to enqueue message after 3 attempts: <EmberStatus.NETWORK_BUSY: 161>"

[grim igloo]

list out all devices you own and post a zha diagnostics dump

[mellow geode]

Likely too many broadcast messages. You’re using Zigbee groups?

[mellow geode]

Yes, you can ignore the attribute_updated events for now. They're there because of the updated OTA system. They will be hidden in the future.

... and maybe we should also reduce the rate of how often zigpy/ZHA sends "image notify" commands to the whole network. It's every 4 hours at the moment IIRC

I think you can set the zigpy option broadcast_interval (in seconds) to change it or set broadcast_enabled to false in your configuration.yaml. You can somewhat mess up OTA stuff though if you forget to remove it in the future.

Otherwise, yeah. Download ZHA integration diagnostics and upload them to something like https://dpaste.org/, then send the link here.

[hardy spruce]

At the moment, I have both ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT running (separate networks, on channels 11 and 15, respectively, with different coordinators). The ZHA network currently has 73 devices, they are:

[grim igloo]

i was just prepping you for someone else to help regarding this level of zigbee diagnostics

[hardy spruce]

2x Philips 1743830V7 (outdoor light)
2x Philips 1746330V7 (outdoor light)
4x Third Reality 3RDS17BZ (battery powered door sensor)
8x Yooksmart D10110 (battery powered shade)
49x Eaton Halo_RL5601 (recessed light)
2x SONOFF S31 Lite zb (outlet)
4x IKEA TRADFRI on/off switch
1x IKEA TRADFRI remote control
1x Silicon Labs EZSP (SkyConnect)

[hardy spruce]

I appreciate it

[hardy spruce]

I do have several Zigbee groups, yes. I also am using Adaptive Lighting to have the lights change color temperature and brightness over the course of the day.

[mellow geode]

That seems like your issue.

[hardy spruce]

The groups, or the Adaptive Lighting?

[mellow geode]

Broadcast messages (used by Zigbee groups) are limited in how many of them can be sent in a short amount of time. Adaptive Lightning probably "spams" the groups at the same time.

Just having many Zigbee groups and not controlling them is not the issue. Only when multiple "broadcast messages" are sent in a short interavl.

In some cases, you might have better luck using HA light groups. These also cause a lot of messages on the Zigbee network if you have many lights in a group, but they're unicast (and not broadcast). The broadcast limit thus doesn't apply.

[hardy spruce]

FWIW, the Adaptive Lighting integration is setup to use the individual lights, not the groups.

[mellow geode]

oh

[hardy spruce]

I have the groups set up so I can bind them to my IKEA switches.

And to control the lights via the UI.

[mellow geode]

Ok, but you're not controlling any Zigbee groups when you see the NETWORK_BUSY error?

[hardy spruce]

The most recent example was me just turning a couple of lights on and off in relatively rapid succession. That's the most reliable way I've found to trigger an error, but I also often have unresponsive lights (frequently without an error displayed).

[mellow geode]

Do you get NETWORK_BUSY when you rapidly trigger the lights individually or only when you trigger the group rapidly?

[hardy spruce]

I was triggering them individually.

[mellow geode]

^ Let's get diagnostics too.

[hardy spruce]

Working on it.

Also, I just tried turning a couple of lights on, and got this error: "Failed to call service light/turn_on. Failed to send request: Failed to deliver message: <EmberStatus.DELIVERY_FAILED: 102>"

[mellow geode]

Ok, that's a different – more generic – error. (Just means the message wasn't delivered to the device, as you might guess.)

Is your SkyConnect on a USB extension?

[hardy spruce]

Yes

So... I'm trying to download diagnostics by going to Settings... Devices & services... ZHA... dots to the right of Configure next to SkyConnect v1.0... Download diagnostics. Is that correct?

If so, I'm getting an error when attempting to download diagnostics.

My browser is saying the download failed.

[mellow geode]

Sounds like you're trying to download device diagnostics. You want the integration diagnostics:
Settings -> Integrations -> ZHA: three dots -> download diagnostics

But you still shouldn't get an error when downloading, just a different diagnostics file.

[hardy spruce]

I think we're talking about the same file.

I can restart HA to attempt to get the diagnostics, if that'll help.

[mellow geode]

Did you try another browser to download the file?

[hardy spruce]

Yep, Chrome and Firefox on Windows, as well as the HA app and Chrome on Android.

[mellow geode]

Is there an actual error message you get (other than "can't download")?

[hardy spruce]

Chrome on both Windows and Android said "Failed".

Firefox seems to have crapped out. The HA app didn't do anything at all.

Correction: Chrome says "Site wasn't available."

Let me try using the local address instead of the DNS name.

Same error. I'm going to restart HA.

[grim igloo]

Can you confirm what version of home assistant you are using

[hardy spruce]

Supervisor 2024.03.0
Operating System 12.1
Frontend 20240307.0```

(By the way, thanks to all of you for the help so far.)

Ok, restarting HA allowed me to download a file.

Finally, diagnostics to share: https://dpaste.org/zGyAg

[mellow geode]

See the energy_scan in the diagnostics? You're using channel 11 and it's quite high in terms of utilization.
Are you also using Zigbee2MQTT on channel 11? Do you have some WiFi APs (2.4 GHz) on channel 1?
(Zigbee channel 11 especially collides with WiFi channel 1 -> https://www.metageek.com/training/resources/zigbee-wifi-coexistence/)

[hardy spruce]

Zigbee2MQTT is on channel 15.

I do not have any WiFi APs on channel 1.

[grim igloo]

"energy_scan": {
"11": 87.33047519856483,
"12": 36.830390267097734,
"13": 31.01324838787301,
"14": 9.713248103580147,
"15": 46.26944564832987,
"16": 36.830390267097734,
"17": 75.96022321405563,
"18": 46.26944564832987,
"19": 39.90320178295578,
"20": 70.89933442360993,
"21": 85.82097888710312,
"22": 99.17601569142556,
"23": 99.06269548719737,
"24": 82.35373987514762,
"25": 28.30261646762903,
"26": 49.512515447068886

Yea that stands out

[mellow geode]

It's expected that the currently used channel is always a bit higher (as the devices actively communicate on it), but 87 "%" is still quite a bit.

[grim igloo]

Could be other things on same band tho

[hardy spruce]

I mean, I do have 55 routers, and a high percentage of them are likely to be within range of the coordinator.

[grim igloo]

One guy found his Yamaha soundbar and subwoofer were shitting on his zigbee mesh

[hardy spruce]

I do live in NYC, so I'm sure someone in the area is on channel 1.

Actually, I'm using a WiFi Analyzer app on my phone

Nevermind... there are 3 networks on channel 1.

[grim igloo]

Channel 25 is lookin pretty good

If you wanted to play a game you could search esp32 marauder on google

[mellow geode]

With ZHA, you can migrate the mains-powered devices and some battery-powered ones to a new channel without re-pairing.
You can change the channel on the ZHA config page (Integrations -> ZHA). You might wanna do it.
Channel 11, 15, 20, and 25 are the "recommended" channels. Of those, you probably want to use channel 25. It also conflicts the least with WiFi

[grim igloo]

Apartments are completely a joke for interference

[hardy spruce]

I'm not in Manhattan (a slightly more suburban part of Queens), so it's not that bad, but it's still pretty dense.

I can give channel 25 a shot.

Is 28 a reasonable baseline for that?

Also, why are 11, 15, 20, and 25 the recommended channels? 14, for example, is at 9 on the energy scan.

[mellow geode]

That's true and channel 14 might work, but some devices only support the ZLL channels: 11, 15, 20, and 25

Of those ZLL channels, Zigbee channel 11 conflicts with WiFi channel 1.
15, 20, and 25 sit in between recommended 2.4 GHz WiFi channels: 1, 6, and 11.

[hardy spruce]

How do I know if my devices only support the ZLL channels?

Will they just fail to join?

I mean, I don't need to make this any harder on myself, I just like knowing.

[mellow geode]

Probably. Konke devices are affected for example, but they're bad anyway.

I'd recommend sticking to the ZLL channels though. (It might also impact TouchLink / reset functionality.)

[hardy spruce]

Ok, I'll give channel 25 a shot.

And, circling back to the attribute_updated events I was seeing, should I change the broadcast_interval?

[mellow geode]

Eh, probably not. If you want to test if getting rid of those OTA broadcasts help, you can disable them completely:

zha:
  zigpy_config:
    ota:
      broadcast_enabled: false

Do note that OTA functionality will be impacted.

The attribute_updated events are likely not the issue though.

[hardy spruce]

Is ZHA going to start supporting OTA? I only recently realized Z2M supports it, and when I attempted to do updates for some of my devices, none of them worked.

Will disabling broadcasts interfere with Zigbee groups?

[mellow geode]

ZHA already supports OTA in the UI, but we've limited OTA provider choice to a few manufacturers, as some people bricked devices.

[mellow geode]

No, it only disables the broadcast of the "image notify" command every 3.9 hours. (only relevant for OTA)

[hardy spruce]

Ok, I'll leave the broadcast enabled for the time being, so I don't mess with too many things at once.

Regarding channel migration, will I be notified if things don't migrate?

[mellow geode]

No, they'll just not work. In those cases, you can just click on "add device" in HA and then reset the device (either by power-cycling or holding a TouchLink reset controller near it, for example). It'll rejoin with existing settings.

All mains-powered devices should migrate though.

For sensors and remotes, you can try to press/toggle them a bit and see if they re-discover the network.

(Older) Aqara sensors don't do that for example. They need to be reset. But again, they'll re-join with existing settings in HA. Just don't remove them from HA.

[hardy spruce]

Additional bit of color: occasionally (like right now that I'm playing with things) commands to a given light will queue up, and eventually be performed, but they'll be significantly delayed. Is that a potential symptom of channel interference?

[mellow geode]

Possibly

[hardy spruce]

Hmm... I tried migrating to channel 25, and it doesn't seem to have done anything.

Do I need to do anything before using the pencil next to the channel number in network settings?

[mellow geode]

Not really. So, it still says channel 11 after you started migration?

[hardy spruce]

Yes

It's been 10 minutes (after I tried it twice), and it still says channel 11.

Wait, now it's saying the integration "Failed to set up"

Ok, I reconfigured the radio by restoring a backup from 40 minutes ago, and then changed the channel, and it took this time.

But things don't seem to be connecting

And they're slowly responding.

Things still don't seem to be working quite right.

Now that I've moved to channel 25, here's the energy scan:

[rapid dawn]

@hardy spruce I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[mellow geode]

It'll also change depending on what other people are doing on their WiFi channel 1 / 11. Channel 25 is still better, as it doesn't directly conflict with one channel.

[mellow geode]

Did you happen to grab logs when that happened?

[hardy spruce]

I didn't, unfortunately.

[hardy spruce]

Oh, right, I have an AP near the coordinator that is running on channel 11. I guess I should move that to channel 1 now.

[mellow geode]

It doesn't matter as much, as WiFi channel 11 doesn't directly conflict with Zigbee channel 25, but only the "sideband lobe".
In comparison, WiFi channel 1 directly conflicts with Zigbee channel 11.

But still better to move away from WiFi channel 11, now that you're using Zigbee channel 25.

[hardy spruce]

I moved the channel of that AP to channel 1, but thing are still sluggish and failing. Here's an updated energy_scan:

[rapid dawn]

@hardy spruce I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[mellow geode]

The energy scans vary a lot. Your SkyConnect is not next to other metal objects, APs, Bluetooth transmitters, ...?

[hardy spruce]

Channel 25 is now at 84 (similar to what we were seeing on channel 11 previously).

[mellow geode]

Channel 11, 12, 13, 14, and 15 are all near 99 now.

[hardy spruce]

It's within a few feet of an AP, and within a foot of a HUSBZB that I'm using as a ZWave radio. There's a 12U network rack nearby.

[hardy spruce]

Right, that makes sense since the AP near there is now on channel 1.

[mellow geode]

Ah, probably. Is there a lot of traffic on your (2.4 GHz) WiFi?

Are things still "sluggish"? Are there any error messages? Did some mains-powered devices not migrate? (so don't work at all?) -> mesh might be "broken" then

Like, there's a broadcast command sent during the migration: "move to channel 25". I wonder if some devices missed that (due to interference)

[hardy spruce]

I'm testing with the 4 lights in the room I'm in, and one is not responding. I get "Failed to call service light/turn_on. Failed to send request: device did not respond"

[mellow geode]

Can you try to power-cycle the lights?

[hardy spruce]

Some? I have 7 clients connected to that AP.

There shouldn't be a lot of traffic, though. Everyone else is asleep.

[hardy spruce]

Will do.

Ok, they seem to be a bit better after a power cycle.

But still not great. I just got a Failed to call service light/turn_off. Failed to send request: Failed to deliver message: <EmberStatus.DELIVERY_FAILED: 102>

[grim igloo]

Maybe this is still broadcasting a zigbee signal too. Thats also a bad zwave controller and should be replaced regardless

[hardy spruce]

I never used it as a Zigbee coordinator, but it could be broadcasting a zigbee signal.

[mellow geode]

Even if, there won't be any real traffic on it. So, it likely doesn't matter.

For the devices that don't respond at all, power-cycle, but if that doesn't work. I'd try to pair them again. So, "add device" in HA, then reset the light and it should rejoin the network.

[hardy spruce]

The Eaton lights in the room that I'm in (which are the ones I'm playing with) are all on one wall switch, and will be reset together. Is that a problem?

[mellow geode]

No, should be fine.

I‘d also put the SkyConnect on a longer USB extension if you have one (further away from other devices)

[hardy spruce]

I've been planning on moving the AP. I imagine that would be the biggest offender, right?

The SkyConnect is in a closet. I could probably move it somewhere else in the closet, too.

I reset the 4 devices, and now it's yet another one that isn't responding well/at all.

[hardy spruce]

Thanks for the help tonight, @mellow geode and @grim igloo. I'm going to keep playing with things. I also recently received a PoE enabled SLZB-06p7, which is what I'm using with Z2M. I may try moving more things over there to see if that improves things. I have Ethernet run around the house, so it may be easier to locate that somewhere away from the closet.

[last grail]

Use zigbee ch 25 and use ch 6 or 1 on nearby 2.4GHz wi-fi. I'm also using an external antenna on my zigbee (and z-wave) dongles. Yes, I had to modify the z-wave dongle to add external antenna but zigbee dongle came with external (it's Electrolama zzh stick).

[reef inlet]

can anyone. please give me some assistance on this. I've got the day off of work today and I was really hoping to spend it trying to get these devices either integrated in some way or to send them back as I have no way of using them. just some pointers on how to create quirks would be really helpful, I've tried to read up on it but I'm at a loss of how to determine the actual devices parameters so that I can attempt to hack around with an existing quirk for a similar device ... thanks 🙏

[last rain]

OK. ive got something really weird going on. Ive just added 4 Schneider Electric zigbee switches and 4 hue LTD012 downlights to the house. I have setup automations for the kitchen switche to override the current settings and turn the kitchen lights on full then back to the orginal setting via a created scene (https://hastebin.com/share/awixowofab.yaml) BUT... here is the wierd thing: When i turn the kitchen switch on and off via HA, it works perfectly. When i turn the switch on and off phsically, it does the same thing, but also it turns off two of the ceiling lights in the lounge, which have absolutly nothing todo with the automation. Im at a loss - any ideas? I have checked and the kitchen switch is not a part of any other automation except the link here. And this automation does not include the lounge lights at all.

Its also got nothing todo with the scenes, as i have remove that to test. It simply when i phsically turn the switch off.

[reef inlet]

when the lounge lights are off because of switching the kitchen switch, can you turn them back on via t Home assistant or have they physically lost power ?

also does what does it say in the log entries for the lounge lights in HA, it should say why they were turned off (or if they went 'unavailable')

[reef inlet]

---

so do tuya zigbee devices "hide" their endpoints/clusters? should i not expect to see them from querying the device?

I've literally checked all of the unnamed clusters/attributes listed and none of the values change regardless of brightness and being present in front of the sensor

[last rain]

yep - can turn them on/off via HA. Here is the logbook, the first on/off is me triggering the lounge light 2 on and off diectly via HA, the next one is me phsically turning off the kitchen swtich off, the last one is our upstairs swtich turning on - which does actually control the lounge ceiling light 2 https://imgur.com/a/UNzT6Lj it just notes "lounge ceiling light 2 - turned off"

[reef inlet]

instead of using the service to do it, what happens when you just use the switch entity directly. does that cause the other lights to change too?

struggling to understand your steps and what shows in the log tbh. might be because i'm tired. "first on/off" being the bottom 2 entries of that list? i dont see anything mentioned in any of that list which implies a kitchen though , is that upstairs?

[sour shadow]

Sounds like the switch is bound to the lights

A common Tradfri feature

[shell frigate]

Please help. I’m trying to use an SMLight SLzb-06 with Zigbee2MQTT and the latter simply won’t start. 502 bad gateway, which I understand typically means that it can’t connect to the coordinator. But I’ve set it up exactly the way the coordinator says it should be set up. The IP address and port number are correct. I’ve added the lines in YAML that it gave me. But it just won’t start. I also have the Mosquitto Broker installed.

What should I do next?

[reef inlet]

can you http into the ip of the smlight directly?

[shell frigate]

Yes. I’ve updated the firmware to the latest standard release, same with the zigbee, and it even has a section for code to be added to my Z2M config, which I did through the YAML editor

I’ve triple-checked that I have the correct address (because that’s totally something I’d mess up), and it’s correct

[reef inlet]

ah ok, i dont use z2m, i've got the same coordinator but using it with zha. hopefully someone will be able to pipe up as there seems to be lots of people using z2m on here. although it does seem to be a bit quiet during this sort of time of day on here

[shell frigate]

I’m totally fine with going with zha. I was just doing z2m because I had a previous failed network already set up with zha, but I’ve deleted all the devices and I’m ready to start over lol

How do I get this thing into ZHA?

[reef inlet]

it will already be ready to work in zha too

just add a zigbee home automation integration

and then add the settings it tells you from the zha part of the smlight gui

Radio Type: EZSP
socket://ipaddress:6638

[shell frigate]

ok I guess I have to remove the one I already had. I’ll do that now

In the “serial port settings” dialog I have 3 radio buttons. Hardware, software, and … blank?

Ugh. It doesn’t matter, it says it can’t connect. I really don’t know what I did wrong here.

[sour shadow]

502 just says the add-on isn't running. You need to check the logs to see the actual problem

[shell frigate]

I tried but it’s either not pointing to the issue or (more likely) I don’t know how to read it.

The first error I come to is just: error while starting zigbee-herdsman

Failed to start zigbee

Then a link to the z2m website, then “exiting” then error: spawn udevadm ENOENT

I have no idea what I’m looking at there

[rapid dawn]

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

• https://dpaste.org/ (select YAML for the language, and consider picking a longer expiry)
• http://pastie.org/ (select YAML for the language)
• https://paste.debian.net/ (you guessed it, select YAML as the language)

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

[sour shadow]

We can help ... if you share the log and your config

[shell frigate]

Thanks for the offer, but I’m working between work and personal devices and can’t get the logs over to this phone right now. I think I’m getting ZHA to finally talk to it now, but it’s been spinning for a minute so we’ll see

[sour shadow]

ENOENT usually means that the path you gave for the coordinator is wrong

[shell frigate]

I’m always willing to admit that I’ve messed something like that up but I could have sworn I checked the IP/port address 5-10 times and it was correct, plus I was copying/pasting the address that the coordinator its self was giving me.

But it’s added in ZHA now so I’m going to move forward with that

Thanks for everyone’s assistance

[warm parcel]

Hey @sour shadow , thanks again for the help yesterday my friend. I ended up signing up for the HA cloud, as I'm having a devil of a time figuring out how to add Google Assistant on my own (I loathe cert generation and always worry about privacy, so why not let someone else worry about it! Certainly that logic is solid! LOL), and it's just been smooth from there. You rock!

[grim igloo]

Worry about privacy but let a third party expose your smart home lol (and use google cloud on top of that)

[warm parcel]

Oh totally, I see the irony in that

Irony/ineptitude of mine. Just have no idea how to tackle this, because ooof.

[honest pollen]

not sure where to go next....I have been trying to get zigbee to work and its just not..Im currently trying to get z2m running

The short version is: I have a conbee 3, haos running in a proxmox vm, mosqitto, I had zha working with a couple devices so i know the dongle is not the issue...I managed to get it to start and turn green on the panel, but the second I hot webui or the sidebar item. it gives 502 error. The logs say error, check the faq and the only error code is it says undefined

[rapid dawn]

Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

• https://dpaste.org/ (select YAML for the language, and consider picking a longer expiry)
• http://pastie.org/ (select YAML for the language)
• https://paste.debian.net/ (you guessed it, select YAML as the language)

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

[sour shadow]

Share the whole log ☝️

ConBee 3 support for Z2M is also pretty new, make sure you're on 1.36.x

[honest pollen]

the one in same directory as the configuation file or someplace else

[sour shadow]

The one for Z2M, under log/

How the add-on behaves I don't know

[honest pollen]

ok, i got it...https://dpaste.org/jtEKL

[sour shadow]

What does your config look like?

[honest pollen]

its very helpful... 😦 I may trade the conbee for a sonoff

[sour shadow]

Because that's pointing to a fundamental problem with your config

You only get that when it's well and truely FUBAR

[honest pollen]

https://dpaste.org/vKP5D

that could be, I am a noob, I was following some guides...

[sour shadow]

If you followed the official docs they said to leave the MQTT section blank

[honest pollen]

I did, leave it blank on the addon page, this is added directly into the config file

the mqtt server is working, and that is the actual log in and pass for a "user" I added just for mqtt

I have mqtt explorer, because scrypted talks to it already....I can see the annoucemnent from the z2m

[sour shadow]

See https://github.com/zigbee2mqtt/hassio-zigbee2mqtt#installation

[honest pollen]

thankyou. I have made those corrections...seems things have changed slightly since the endepth guide I was using..rebooting the instance...then we'll see what happens

[sour shadow]

Third party guides should be treated with caution - always check the official docs

[honest pollen]

I was made the corrections and it still failed to connect with the bad 502. I have uninstalled, and I just reinstalled it from scratch. We'll see what that doeas for me. It didn't crash though this time

[sour shadow]

502 just means the add-on isn't running

Any time you see that you have to check the add-on log to find out what's happening

[night rain]

Any known quality difference or preference between these two types of zigbee repeaters?

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNMNgya

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNHhJNu

[austere patio]

I don't think either is very good. Why do you want a dedicated repeater as opposed to just using a normal router device like a bulb or an outlet?

[night rain]

Bit of a hassle getting to an ikea from where I live, and I have a few open USB ports on various devices in strategic locations around my house that I wouldn’t mind putting repeaters onto. The majority of my bulbs are Sengled, so no repeating there. I have two ikea outlets and four ThirdReality outlets already, but the majority of them are tucked behind shelves and desks and what not and I’m having pretty constant drops in connections from some of my bulbs in rooms where those outlets are not placed well

I’m in a townhouse, so there’s quite a bit of interference from nearby WiFi

[austere patio]

What integration are you using?

[night rain]

ZHA, didn’t want to fuss with Z2M due to having the skyconnect dongle

[mellow geode]

Can you upload the diagnostics file for the ZHA integration to a site like https://dpaste.org/, then post the link here?

You can download integration diagnostics by going to Settings -> Integrations -> then clicking the three dots next to ZHA -> download diagnostics.

[night rain]

https://dpaste.org/YrKFh

[mellow geode]

Is your SkyConnect on a USB extension?

See the energy_scan part in the diagnostics file at the bottom? You're using channel 20 and the utilization for that channel (and others) is quite high.

[night rain]

ran on channel 25 for a while with a ton of issues, ran energy scans 10 times yesterday over the course of about 4 hours, determined channel 20 had the least noise (average 53) and tore everything down and started over. my two WAP's are on channels 1 and 6, and the one thats channel 6 is further away from my zigbee devices that have issues, so i wouldn't assume that it would be the problem

[spring zinc]

I setup a Phillips Hue light with zigbee, switching from the Hue Bridge. And I've noticed that you have to manually enable the transitions for every single scene that uses them! This is terrible, why can you not just always have transitions on? If you can, how?

[night rain]

yes its on an extension, albeit not in the best location (about 2 ft up, near a wall, not centrally located), but i dont have much of an option unless i want to run an ugly 15ft+ extension to the middle of my first floor ceiling and have it mounted up there (which in turn would put it directly next to one of my WAPs). i was hoping having enough repeaters would compensate

[night rain]

generally, any channel i move it to will instantly have 90+ on an energy scan just based on the number of zigbee devices i have (roughly 50)

and since i use both channels 1 and 6 for wifi, both of my neighbors to the left and right of me have theirs set to auto, which means my WAPs kick both of their networks over to channel 11, which is where i assume most of my issues lie because its basically an interferience sandwich lol

im getting close to the point of abandoning zigbee until i move, and just picking up a bunch of esphome based stuff until then

im also theorizing if Sengled is the problem, as the 4 hue bulbs i have in my upstairs bathroom have never had a connection issue, and the devices that drop on a regular basis are my 5 rgbcww sengled, 4 cww sendled, and 4 ww (2700k) sengled bulbs. I dont want to shell out the money it would cost to replace all of them with hue. is there some other brand people here recommend? im very fond of adaptive lighting, so having cww is necessary

[mellow geode]

Sengled bulbs aren't routers, so they need to pick a parent

90+ on an energy scan just based on the number of zigbee devices i have (roughly 50)
Just the amount of Zigbee devices won't cause that. I have like 150 devices and get 60 "%" utilization on my channel (25). There's quite a bit of traffic too.

[night rain]

i know #zigbee-archived message

my major problem is typically my 5 rgbcww bulbs, where at least one of them becomes unresponsive on a daily basis. they're all within 10 feet of an ikea outlet and two thirdreality outlets

[mellow geode]

When you look at the ZHA visualization map, you should see to which parent they're connected

[night rain]

yeah, its one of the three outlets i mentioned. its relatively new though (the outlet) and ive only had it for a month and ive been dealing with this issue for years

[spring zinc]

I really don't like the instant updates to the lights, I way more liked the fade in I had when they were connected to the Hue Bridge. Surely there is a way to make HA do this for all the lights again?

[night rain]

https://imgur.com/a/6mva5Xi

everything on the top half is upstairs, everything on the bottom half is downstairs. seems like i have a single endpoint device connected directly to the coordinator (although its located like 3 feet away so this makes sense), and a few downstairs devices that are connected to upstairs routers/repeaters. other than that, im not sure what info to gleam from this

[last rain]

Yes this is what i had thought, just didnt know it was a thing. I removed and re-added the swtch and its no longer controling lights it shouldnt 🙂 Thanks for the help @reef inlet @sour shadow

[shell frigate]

Just wanted to thank the folks here. After an initial disaster of a zigbee network, I now have a network that appears to be stable, fast, and responsive.

I switched from the skyconnect to the SMLight SLZB-06 so I could get ideal placement right in the middle of all the devices. I also ditched all the power monitoring plugs and replaced them with simple on/off plugs. No more spamming the network! It all seems to work great now. Thanks again. Especially to @austere patio for spending way too much time on me!

[night rain]

welp, your message is making me worry that everything ive purchased in the past 4 months or so was a bad idea (upgraded from nortek zigbee dongle to skyconnect and added some thirdreality energy monitoring plugs)

[austere patio]

@shell frigate's environment is really atypical, I wouldn't worry about it

[night rain]

ahh ok. well still, im at a bit of a loss for what to do next

[austere patio]

So as far as I can tell, your coordinator just is not in a good spot at all. What is near it? Any USB 3.0 devices? SSDs? Power supplies? TVs? Air conditioners/motors? Logitech wireless products?

[night rain]

yeah im trying to theorize on the best way to relocate it. its on the first floor (two floor apartment) on top of my TV stand directly under the TV (TV contected to ethernet, but who knows if theres still wifi activity coming from it). The RPi4 with SSD and a UPS is about 3 feet away inside of the TV stand. now that i think of it, inside the tv stand about a foot away from the dongle is a Nvidia Shield (ethernet) that has a logitech 2.4gHz mouse dongle plugged into it. that hasn't always been there, a little under a year, and my issues have been going on longer than that, but im sure thats not helping. im going to unplug it for a few days and see if i notice any improvement

i think long-term solution would be to get a longer usb extension and find a not-ugly way to relocate the dongle

[austere patio]

If you have a spare Pi, you can move it onto the Pi and expose it over TCP with ser2net. Then put the Pi somewhere more central. Or buy a pre-made coordinator that does the same thing with an ESP32

From what it sounds like, your coordinator is sandwiched between every possible RF noise source one can find 😄

[night rain]

im assuming swapping out the skyconnect for a SLZB-06 and relocating it with POE (i do have a poe switch) would essentially get the same thing accomplished?

and yeah, even unplugging the logitech dongle might not be enough

any links to any good shielded usb 2.0 extensions? how long of an extension can i go before needing an active/powered extension?

[austere patio]

Yeah, it's one of the pre-made devices that does it with an ESP32

[night rain]

my bad, essentially repeated what you said lol

just thinking of my setup, the not-ugly way is going to need like 25-30ft of extension

and even after moving it to where im picturing, it'll be like 8-10 feet away from the logitech dongle, but now itll be about 8 feet away from my WAP running on channel 6, which may cause a bit more interference with my current zigbee channel, but might be better overall

[mellow geode]

If you have a longer USB extension handy, you can just put it on temporarily for testing.

[night rain]

i just have a bunch of like 2-3ft usb 2 extensions for some reason haha. would daisy chaining them be a bad idea?

and if not, i also have some longer usb 3 ones, would they be fine to use as long as there is a usb 2 extension in the signal chain?

obviously not permanently, just for testing purposes for a few days?

[austere patio]

Yeah, you can daisy chain them up to 16 feet

3.0 is usually much better shielded, just don't plug it into a 3.0 port as well

[night rain]

i think i currently have a 2.0 extension plugged into a 3.0 port, but i can double check after work. if i test this out and find that it helps, what can i do about needing an extension in excess of 25ft?

[austere patio]

Get a PoE coordinator 😄

[night rain]

all jokes aside, is there not a good way to run USB at that length? id really prefer to not have to swap coordinators

[grim igloo]

Voltage drop on usb is real

He’s not joking about a PoE coordinator

[night rain]

i figured he wasn't fully joking, i was just curious if an active usb extender would do the trick. if not, i understand

[grim igloo]

At best it’s another form of interference I’d imagine

[night rain]

alright. if i go with POE, is it difficult to set it up with ZHA? never really looked into it

[grim igloo]

No but I’m a fan of z2m so someone else will have to jump in

https://tubeszb.com/product/cc2652p7-zigbee-to-poe-coordinator-2023/ I use this

[night rain]

i dont mind switching if i can figure out how to get z2m to work. last time i tried it wouldn't get past 502 bad gateway, but im assuming it was maybe because i was using a stock skyconnect

[grim igloo]

@half cradle has a used efr32 PoE tubes model for $50 shipped if you want to save a few bucks

Which would work fine on zha

[grim igloo]

Well that’s the wrong reason to switch but it doesn’t matter. If you like zha features but just need a better suited coordinator stay on zha

You’ll get better hand holding and support given it’s built into home assistant and the people paid by home assistant’s parent company frequent this channel to help specifically for zha (like puddly is doing above)

Also your transition on coordinator will be more likely to work better staying on zha I believe

[night rain]

i have been curious about z2m for some time (typically more functionality/customization with devices like presence sensors, and the visualization page looks a bit nicer with the inclusion of device pictures), but i wouldn't mind just sticking with what i know

[night rain]

what about the SLZB-06 at $35? or does that not work well with ZHA

[grim igloo]

I’m sure it’s fine I’m partial to tube’s given I own one and he provides support in this channel

If you’re trying to penny pinch with smart home hardware you’re gonna have a bad time

[night rain]

less about penny pinching and more about not sinking even more money into something ive already sunk money into

i feel like you shouldn't have to spend an insane amount of money for a decent setup. ill never be the type to blanket my whole home in hue/lifex/lutron stuff

[grim igloo]

Hue is gold standard but ikea lights seem fine for a big discount

Lifx is a brand I just don’t buy same with Lutron unless we’re talking cheap dumb outlets from Home Depot or light switch covers

To stay on the cheaper side I’ve gone hue white only not rgb and saved a ton of money by pairing them with $25 zooz zwave light switches instead of $50 for inovelli blue zigbee ones

But then it’s just more to go wrong

For rgb I diy led strips for a fraction of the cost of ‘good’ ones you can buy premade

[night rain]

never could get z-wave to work when i was on the Nortek stick. just stuck with zigbee

[grim igloo]

Well nortek is a shitty stick for both zwave and zigbee

And zwave is in a very stable place right now

But ya whatever floats your boat lol

[night rain]

5 years ago it was what was recommended to me, so thats what i got lol

got rid of it recently and haven't noticed a lick of diference, but im thinking we've discovered thats down to my placement

honestly, the ikea stuff isnt really cheap compared to the competition at this point

their cheapest bulb that can do cool and warm light is $22

[grim igloo]

Yuck

Hue is less than that

Anyways I’ve given you some food for thought

[night rain]

cant even find a hue bulb that does that on amazon

i see the RGB one but ill drop dead before i pay $40+ on a single lightbulb

[grim igloo]

It’s called white plus ambiance

[shell frigate]

lmao, “atypical” is a kind way to describe it haha. But things are working so well now.

BTW, I also decided to reduce the number of actual plugs by using a zigbee power strip I found. Previously, I had 3-4 plugs all jammed together right next to each other. Now I still have things in all the same places, but there’s several spots where 3-4 plugs were swapped for a power strip. It’s working extremely well. Very pleased.

At some point I might put one of those metering plugs back in, just when I need to do some diagnostics on our electrical circuits that were designed by a crazy person.

[grim igloo]

Are you the pinball arcade guy

[shell frigate]

I mean, we only have one pinball machine but yeah

[grim igloo]

So the arcade guy with a pinball machine?

[shell frigate]

haha yeah

[night rain]

ehh those are $22.50 per bulb, not much different. at this point im just contemplating replacing them all with Athome or Kauf esphome based bulbs for like $12-$14 per bulb. lord knows ill have less connection issues with those

[grim igloo]

Should be 4 for $40

Inflated prices on Amazon at this time most likely

[shell frigate]

Yeah those are not expensive

[grim igloo]

Easy to compare

I have a few athom frankly I’m not impressed

I talked to the CTO of athom in #hardware-archived last week the esp8285 can’t really handle wled anymore

[shell frigate]

I think when I got mine years ago they were around $12 per bulb. I liked them but they don’t get the warm white down well enough

[grim igloo]

Zigbee bulbs and or zwave switches are the way to go

Throwing a bunch of shit on your Wi-Fi ain’t it chief

[night rain]

the color accuracy with the cool and warm white seems a bit off with it

[grim igloo]

It’s Chyna shit dude

That’s why hue is able to command such a premium price

Their shit just works and lasts forever

And… rich people be rich

[night rain]

yeah i dont even see a 4 pack anywhere on the internet. id buy them in a heartbeat if i could find them at that price

[grim igloo]

I got sent 3 athom 15w and 2/3 died within a few hours of being on. Won’t even connect to my network anymore lol

I think they cooked themselves

[shell frigate]

I definitely prefer getting the type of bulb I like and then automating the switch……..but my wife likes the colors so we have hue

[grim igloo]

I have two athom gu10 those work fine but aren’t very bright at all

[night rain]

mines sitting on my desk doing nothing because i cant find a use for it due to the warm white not looking right

[grim igloo]

All my hue I just have nothing but good things to say about

[grim igloo]

You can make it look fine in wled app or hass app then save that preset

Assuming you have them flashed to wled

[night rain]

i have 1 hue bulb that buzzez when its on, but other than that, they work great. i just cant picture spending like $200 to replace all of my color bulbs, then another $200+ to replace the rest

i only have them because i picked up 6 warm white ones used on marketplace for $10 total

[grim igloo]

I’ve had one hue bulb die out of 40 over the span of 2 years or more but I recently found out I bought some old stock from Home Depot

So it’s probably due to that as far as why one died

[grim igloo]

Well if they’re first gen hue those can screw up a zigbee mesh…

All others are good

[night rain]

any sort of model numbers or serial numbers for me to check on them?

[tender ridge]

I have aqara h1 wall switches, the ones which are connected to the wiring, some of them make my light flicker in high-frequency from time to time, which is obnoxious. Does not happen every time though... Any advice? Are they defective or is it my old house wiring?

[grim igloo]

Buy better bulbs

[night rain]

those also are recent (6 months), so they might not be the whole problem, but part of it for sure

[grim igloo]

Assuming it’s not a switch issue

I don’t personally buy or suggest aqara mains devices cuz uhh Chyna

But in eu your options are shit for light switches

[tender ridge]

yep

[grim igloo]

It’s Chyna or chyyyna

[tender ridge]

I am reading it in the orange guy voice, thanks for that

[grim igloo]

I have the best voice, people tell me, it’s like an angels voice but somehow better

[night rain]

anywhere i can go to look into this more?

[grim igloo]

Nope I got the info here

If you share the model numbers I can ask my source

[night rain]

give me a sec, gonna go yank out a bulb

[grim igloo]

I try not to ping him and drag into convos

[grim igloo]

It should be listed in zha… in z2m we have a gui that I navigate to find it

[half cradle]

Actually

I just switched to zha

So I'll sell the p7 for 60 shipped too. (i would just buy an mgr24

[night rain]

9290022268

want me to pull them all?

[grim igloo]

Wut

[mellow geode]

They’re good

Your interference is still too high. I’d try putting them on (daisy-chained) extensions to see if it improves network performance if you haven’t tried yet.

[grim igloo]

Can you list the bad models and pin it please?

[night rain]

all of the others are the same model number except for one

9290018215

hopefully that one is good as well

[mellow geode]

Yes

[mellow geode]

It depends on how the model is formatted. Completely numeric ones are good. For others, it can only really be seen by the firmware image they use/request

[regal pumice]

Kay dorks

Fellow dorks of the fellowship of Home Assistant clan

I request Assistant for my silly questions

I'm now running two zigbee 3.0 coordinators

One is over eth and handling the majority of the network via ZHA

And the second one is over usb, handling two devices, via zigbee2mqtt

Both are currently on channel 25 (the channel with the least power in my situation)

Since both coordinators are in the same space, should I move the usb coordinator to a different channel to prevent crosstalk or lack of performance, or is this technical okay with no ill effects.

My wifi protocol knowledge tells me I should probably adjust this for optimum performance.

Is this true?

[grim igloo]

it's a terrible current situation man

even on different channels i think being next to each other is still bad

[regal pumice]

Pyshcially their not directly sitting beside eachother

[mellow geode]

It’s not optimal, but do you notice any issues?

[regal pumice]

Their about 5ft away from eachother I guess

In the same room

[regal pumice]

Nope, it actually works great but just changed it to channel 15

Took a little longer to re-paier the ir controller device I wanted

On the second try

But I think that's because I had to manually invoke it

It's worth mentioning I'm broadcasting a handful of 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz wifi networks from the same room all on auto tuning because I'm rual neighborhood

I've noticed zero issues with my Tubezb coordinator sitting besides these 2.4Ghz networks

I'm on channel 25 which has the least interference

I'll keep you all posted if this changes since the addition of the secondary Zigbee network

They are 5ft apart

[grim igloo]

@steep venture Honestly, because I didn't want to go around using a remote to reset light bulbs. So I bought a second adapter, hooked it up, and migrated them that way. And the old Z2M network was on 25. regarding this- you actually would've needed to move over more channels than that to actually be clear and on a good ZLL channel not just one over to 26

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/551843655682490399/1106178016201158696/ZigBee_Channels.png?ex=660e8c0e&is=65fc170e&hm=b2c6f8a8db48f9d710b80b0ea979174304e8d93a011594dfc96184efdbb7c352& this shows how they all intersect with wifi as well

[steep venture]

It worked though. My main concern was just that all the removing/repairing would be too much on the same channel. Now Z2M is down and the extra adapter is set up as a router

It sounds like I need to move back to 25 on zha though because maybe the 26 channel is a problem? My concern is really that HA entirely is having weird inconsistencies though, not just ZigBee

[steep venture]

What I posted initially in #general-archived for context... I was hoping maybe someone could give me some advice. My current state is that I have HA running on a VM on a very powerful server, connected to a SLZB-06 which is connected via ethernet. It's using channel 26, my wifi is on channel 1. Not a ton of interference. I have about 70 zigbee devices, the majority of which are routers. Since migrating from Z2M to ZHA, my Home Assistant setup is slow.. not just zigbee devices, but the whole HA instance. Notifications sometimes go out slow, or sometimes don't go out, status of my ratgdo sometimes doesn't update. Stuff like that. I moved from Z2M to ZHA because on Z2M my zigbee devices would often just go unavailable or have the wrong statuses. I don't really care what I have to do to fix it, but I'm running out of ideas to get things working consistently.

[tender ridge]

You might want to post zha log from when e.g. a disconnect happens or any errors you encounter

[steep venture]

I checked over them and they didn't seem super helpful... Variations with different devices on:
2024-03-27 20:05:13.287 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.core] Error executing service: <ServiceCall light.turn_on (c:01HT15ZK06:al:K5XW:ntrv:03): entity_id=['light.wolf_s_room_lights'], params=transition=45.0, brightness=255, color_temp=416, color_temp_kelvin=2400>
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.12/site-packages/zigpy_znp/zigbee/application.py", line 850, in _send_request_raw
response = await asyncio.shield(
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
asyncio.exceptions.CancelledError

Suggests to me that it's timing out or otherwise cancelling but not why

Ah, yeah, root cause at the bottom is TimeoutError. Which I'm guessing means a communication problem. But would that suggest it timed out waiting on a response, timed out talking to the adapter, or timed out doing something else 🤔

[austere patio]

It means that the device didn't send any sort of reply in time and ZHA gave up waiting for one

[mellow geode]

Please download ZHA integration diagnostics and upload them to a site like https://dpaste.org/, then send the link here.

If there are conectivity issues between ZHA and the devices, it still shouldn't slow down HA. Are you using any custom components? If so, have you tried starting HA in safe mode?

[steep venture]

Yeees, sorta. The only custom integrations are Tesla (which has been fine) and the integration I wrote https://github.com/chazzu/hass-animated-scenes/ which sounds like it could be related but I've debugged the hell out of that one to make sure it's not. Also tried running without it for a bit and encountered the same issues.

OH and adaptive lighting. I can try disabling that, too

https://dpaste.org/ODqqB

These messages seem super interesting to me.
2024-03-27 20:00:20.411 WARNING (MainThread) [zigpy.application] Received relays from an unknown device: 0x12A3
2024-03-27 20:00:20.413 WARNING (MainThread) [zigpy.application] Received relays from an unknown device: 0x46E1
2024-03-27 20:00:22.617 WARNING (MainThread) [zigpy_znp.zigbee.application] Received a message on an unregistered endpoint: AF.IncomingMsg.Callback(GroupId=0x0000, ClusterId=61184, SrcAddr=0x523D, SrcEndpoint=1, DstEndpoint=1, WasBroadcast=<Bool.false: 0>, LQI=72, SecurityUse=<Bool.false: 0>, TimeStamp=1761381, TSN=0, Data=b'\x09\x4F\x25\x23\x00', MacSrcAddr=0x523D, MsgResultRadius=29)

[spring zinc]

I setup a Phillips Hue light with zigbee, switching from the Hue Bridge. And I've noticed that you have to manually enable the transitions for every single scene that uses them! This is terrible, why can you not just always have transitions on? If you can, how?

[mellow geode]

Are you using ZHA or Z2M?

[spring zinc]

I'm not really sure, how do I check?

[mellow geode]

Did you set up the Zigbee integration in HA or did you install some addons?

[spring zinc]

I used the built-in Zigbee integration

[mellow geode]

Ok, that's ZHA. Go to Settings -> Integrations -> click on ZHA and see what your default transition time is

[spring zinc]

Oh of course it's so obvious hahaha

thanks !

Hey do you know if there's a way to copy all favourite colours across all lights?

Or edit the yaml of favourite colors even?

[regal pumice]

Quick update on my project

No signal issues, the moess ir blaster is an end device so It's directly connected to the second coordinator