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regal pumice
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Ahh I just solved this part.. it was the outlets around the floor.

I'll just bridge it in when I'm finishing up.

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Now this is the last puzzle 😅

cloud swallow
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i think, with that relay, you need to put it in the switch box where the load wire is anyway (because it needs to be connected to its Lout terminal).

the wiring we discussed yesterday ought to work for a 3- or 4-swich setup — though with the major caveat that you need to end up with the commons at either end of the chain in the same switch box where the load wire is. so how feasible it is depends on precisely how and where things are wired in that case. there are other methods of wiring multi-way switching so, if that doesn't work out, you might be able to figure something out if you carefully reason the current path.

the difficulty will arise if the wiring relies on a neutral elsewhere to complete the circuit. that works with conventional multi-way switching because the switches carry the load current, but that's not the case when using that particular relay. first thing to do is to identify precisely what all those cables do, then you can figure out how you might be able to wire up the switches to the S1/S2 terminals of the relay.

regal pumice
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I have, atm it's the following.

Travel wire from switch box 1 (downstairs Junction from last night) to switch box 2 (back of the room)

Three conductors, one black (Carries 120v AC from supply in switch box 1 and travel wire l1) one red (travel wire l2) and one white neutral tied to another white neutral for the load located at switch box 2.

Black load wire at switch box 2 that's connected to common on 3 way switch.

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At switch box one it was travel wire black l1 and red traveler l2 and supply at l1

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With another lead on common daisy chaining another switch but that's not important as I'll make that independent with another relay later (2 way switch)

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Since the relay will be where the load is at switch box 2, our loads neutral can go to either Nin terminal

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So we've got the neutral conductor of the travel wire free

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One wire has to be dedicated to supply from switch box 1 so that leaves us with two travelers.. how do we handle common or perhaps one of the travelers?

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There's ground but... that's messy..

regal pumice
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What about this concept?

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Could traveler l2 (red) be direct between switches l2 terminals, and split the l1 black to act as a common for the s1 terminal on the relay?

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Leving the white "neutral" conductor as a supply?

Cec color conventions definitely being ignored

sour shadow
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Please use an image hosting site @regal pumice rather than spamming other channels with images

cloud swallow
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probably this is just me (and North America vs UK nomenclature), but i prefer to call it "earth" rather than "ground". to me, 'ground' implies the principal return current path (ie neutral), where 'earth' is supposed to be a fault current path.

anyway, i don't know the CEC or why this change to the code was made, but i would imagine that it has to do with minimising the risk of earth faults. recall that earth and neutral are joined at your main service entrance (at least, that's the way it works in the UK), so there will nearly always be continuity between earth and neutral somehow, but it's not always obvious which is being used in an earth or neutral fault condition, and RCDs will trip because the earth conductor doesn't pass through the RCD (which is the whole point of a GFCI).

a neutral fault can mean that the internal earth conductor is being used for return current, so it appears as though everything is working — right up until another earth fault brings every metal appliance (and sometimes even plumbing) up to mains potential! it's a similar problem with UK ring mains†: if either live or neutral should be broken somewhere around the ring, it will still appear to work, but at least one conductor will carry more current than the cable is rated for.

† ring mains are, i think, unique to the UK. romex starts at the breaker and hops to every socket on the circuit and then back to the breaker. there are therefore two current paths to any one socket, which means you can use 2.5mm² romex with a 32A breaker where a 2.5mm² spur must have a 25A breaker. so you can use less copper to support a given set of loads. it was a measure adopted after WW2 when copper was very expensive in the UK. this is also why standard UK BS1363 sockets are so chunky, are rated to 13A (~half spur ampacity) and why BS1363 plugs must be fused: the plug and flex can't safely carry 32A of fault current. 3kW kettles, woo!

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anyway, if it was code-compliant, then it probably does not need (and probably should not be) modified. modifications must be to code, and if the rest of the installation is not code-compliant, then you have a problem. think building insurance. if you must cut them back for space, then i guess you have to. otherwise, leave them alone, if you can.

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oh 😞. i opted for a sonoff CC2652P-based coördinator on the strength of koen's recommendation on the z2m website (and because it was readily buyable in the UK).

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okay, my apologies. i rely on reply pings, and don't really understand why people dislike them.

regal pumice
sour shadow
regal pumice
sour shadow
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Also, one person pinging you is no big deal, but when you're getting a dozen, or more, that too becomes annoying... and as a mod here I can't really turn them off 😉

regal pumice
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Ohh that's why you lectured me about that three times in a row 😅

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Ahaha I'm teasing, I was a mod in a github projects Discord, had to deal with the same thing

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So I get it, unfortunately Discord has it on by default, which makes it easy to forget to toggle

sour shadow
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Thank goodness for Better Discord 😛

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That with one of the no notify plugins and it defaults off

regal pumice
regal pumice
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Since I rarely use desktop I haven't bothered to experiment

cloud swallow
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will do so later, thanks.

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so yes, i think so.

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obviously, do not try to trace on an energised circuit!

cloud swallow
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cloud swallow
# regal pumice Leving the white "neutral" conductor as a supply? Cec color conventions definit...

i think you said you found another cable for a socket in that same box? in theory — and i do not recommend it — you could use the neutral of that for the load's return current provided you are not using RCBOs (ie breakers + RCDs). excepting RCBOs, all neutrals are bonded together in the consumer unit (breaker board, whatever it's called in canada) and only the live is switched in the consumer unit.

this is definitely not code-compliant and again i do not recommend it, but it would probably work.

regal pumice
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I was gonna use the "neutral for 120v"

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It's probably best not to break code anyway..

cloud swallow
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regal pumice
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Interesting, I wonder why their moving away from it

cloud swallow
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our infrastructure is a bit wobbly, though. not enough investment, especially in generation, but the UK is hardly alone on that point. also, each dwelling is 'diversified' on the basis of 2.5kVA each (though each supply fuse is typically 60–100A, ie 13.8–23kVA), and street cabling & step-down transformers are sized accordingly. but add in a 7.2kW EV charger and/or a heat pump, and that 2.5kVA sustained average is blown out of the water.

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it's a known problem which DNOs do acknowledge (if you talk to the right person), but nobody wants to talk about it much.

regal pumice
regal pumice
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Thank you, I'll keep you posted with my findings

regal pumice
# cloud swallow no, definitely not, do not go there

Hey, why couldn't we use the ground doe for the the low voltage parallel 3way switch circuit?

The ground wire between junction one and two is direct and sheved the whole way, and it's not cut back, I would just have to push a insulation cover on it and use it either as a traveler or common for one of the switches?

The load and supply are grounded, so if I was needing to ground the 3 way switches for code I could do via the ground (earth) terminal on the switch them selves.. why can't we do this?

I'm 100% certain that the earth between points is in the romex and were only using it as a low voltage traveler or common.. Unless you feel this would bend the rules too far and or be dangerous.

I suppose those it being uncoverd inside the Romex would be the safty issue so probably not wise

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I might be best to just use a wireless switch for this one

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Well this is something ahaha

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I don't know why but SFX what would you do with that 🤭

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I'm still open to ideas but I don't see a way to safely do this without breaking code in a dangerous way and that's just not worth it.

I've got a couple of choices.

I could put the relay in the second junction with the load and either use the typical switch at the main junction and then use a wireless switch at the relay junction... or I could do it the other way, relay at the main junction with supply and dumb switch and bridge the connections.

For me the 2nd junction switch probably should be the wireless one since it's not cramed around two other switches, but it's also nice to have the relay there to save room in the other junction that's already gonna have two relayed jammed into it

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So what wireless zigbee based switches that pull from AC would you recommend?

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Assuming I ignore the load and just tap onto power

rapid dawnBOT
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@earnest aspen I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
earnest aspen
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Fixing my first message, Having some issues with changing colour temperatures on a zigbee light; hoping someone can give me a hand? I've migrated a Hue bulb from the hue integration to ZHA. I have complete control of the bulb from the UI - I can manipulate temperature, change the colour, etc. No issues there.

If I change either of the colour_temps (color_temp or color_temp_kelvin) and click "set state" the colour temp doesn't change at all. Any ideas why?

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(in case it's not clear, I'm asking because an automation that I use to set the temperature has quit working, and I think it's because I can't seem to manually set the state of the bulb)

dapper loom
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hello folks, HA user here. ZHA integration with 56 nodes using conbee II usb. Suddenly all my radiators are not responding
it is very frustrating as the central heat sometimes might stays on

mental bough
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did u tried to restart system?

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what kind of radiator valves do u use?

dapper loom
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am so upset - I have spent almost 72 hours and I can't figure out why this is happening

austere patio
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Can you upload diagnostics JSON for the ZHA integration?

dapper loom
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currenly am living on a big 2 floor house total 400m2 - I have 5 routers at ground floor and another 5 (including coordinator) at 1st floor

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there is no option to upload the file here

dapper loom
austere patio
dapper loom
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ok here it is

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I don't see something in particular . nodes have accepted RSSI and there are no errors in logs.
However the TRV radiators, mostly are unresponsive

steady iron
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I’ve got trouble connecting a E1 Roller Shade Driver from Aqara. I’m using a Z2M with a ConBee 3. I have updated both Z2M and ConBee 3 to newest updates and still no luck. I’ve also tried all the methods listed in the Z2M FAQ about the device not being able to finish the interview. Does anyone have a solution for devices not being able to interview?

I’ve tried pressing buttons every 3 seconds to keep the device active.
I’ve tried charging it to full before connecting.
I’ve tried moving it away and closer to the coordinator.
I’ve tried to pair it through various smart plugs.
I’m using a usb extender to fix any possible interference.

The device joins with an address, and I’m unable to replace the battery..

dapper loom
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one of the errors
[546439031360] Failed to send request: Failed to enqueue packet: CommandError('<CommandId.aps_data_request: 18>, status: <Status.BUSY: 2>')

dapper loom
mental bough
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nothing special in your logs

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did you try to repair one?

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i remember that i had many many problems at the beginning with radiator valves too. problem was, that i uses another then the default radio channel. when i changed to default radio channel and repaired, it went smoothly

dapper loom
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thanks

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i was on channel 15 and switch to 25

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my unifi acces point (total 3) are on 1 and 6

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do you propose something different ?

mental bough
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switch back to channel 15 and check

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you have nothing to loose

dapper loom
mental bough
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you can try, but normally, there shouldnt be so much interference

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first ist to try channel 15 at zigbee

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as i said, i had many problems at another channel, i think it also was channel 25. i had random disconnects and so on, it was very annoying. switching bach to channel 15 did it

dapper loom
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thank you very much!

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two more questions please

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  1. under zha/configure/network there is a download backup. What does it do ??
mental bough
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i think it saves your zha network config

dapper loom
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  1. what does Migrate Radio do ?
  2. if I try a different coordinator, do I have to setup again everything ??? or I can restore the backup at step 1 ?
mental bough
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i switched to zigbee2mqtt a long time ago

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i think you can try it, but normally the coordinator isnt the big problem

jolly geode
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Hey Guys, ist it possible to change the state of a non available Light?

mental bough
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migrate radio is to change coordinator

dapper loom
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as the house is big, am not sure if my repeaters are enough or not

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including them, I know have 56 nodes

mental bough
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well, if you use 230 V powered devices, they normally act as repeaters

jolly geode
dapper loom
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I have one sonoff, blitzwolf bw-shp13 plugs and an ikea signal repeater (total 10 including coordinator)

bold trench
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If you want them to be turnd off in HA you can use the developer tools

sour shadow
mental bough
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I use that ikea tradfri 230 V outlets as repeaters. working like a charm. did changed the channel? 😄

rapid dawnBOT
sour shadow
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Use States to set the new state manually

dapper loom
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yes

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just did

bold trench
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Yes thats what i ment

mental bough
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restart home assistant complely then

dapper loom
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i did

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got a msg "Network settings do not match most recent backup" but I kept new settings

jolly geode
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@sour shadow @bold trench thats exactly what i was searching for, thank you 🙂

dapper loom
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4 out of 8 for the first floor

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the rest 4

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is giving

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547391008832] Failed to send request: Failed to deliver packet: <TXStatus.NWK_ROUTE_DISCOVERY_FAILED: 208>

mental bough
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do network search

dapper loom
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at the endpoints ?

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pair again ?

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is that what you mean ?

mental bough
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pair again

dapper loom
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ok

mental bough
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you can also change your wifi-channel as you suggested to 11. that should reduce interference if there is any

bold trench
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Hey guys i have some issus with some cheep temperatur sensors.
It woun't display any entitys. How can i debug this or perhabs request a quirks ?

dapper loom
mental bough
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Well, i use 4x ARUBA AP-515 at my house. It is suggested, to not use the same channels per AP. but that depends on how far are them away and their transmit power. i did it like this: 802.11N network channels 1, 5, 9, 13. For AC channels 36, 40, 44, 48.

dapper loom
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am using 11 and 36 on 1st floor (2 Aps)
am using 1 and 36 (1 ap) on ground floor

mental bough
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for frequency band interference theyre channels are away enough. but i would change 1 ap from 36 to 48

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Ah, i see, two APs at first floor? change 1 AP to channel 5 (N) and 40 (AC) second AP to 11 (N) and 44 (AC). ground floor is okay how it is

dapper loom
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am located to Greece

mental bough
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do you have another frequency regulations?

dapper loom
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1 6 11

mental bough
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ah yes, my bad. do 1 6 11

dapper loom
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what about channel width ?

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HT20 ?

mental bough
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you can do ht 40 if you need the speed

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thats why you use channels which are "away" from others

dapper loom
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i switched Aps as per your suggestion

mental bough
dapper loom
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nice articles - however am using unifi AC-LR

bold trench
austere patio
karmic light
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very new HA user here, just set up my first instance. I've got a SONOFF 3.0 dongle (P) version set up with Zigbee2MQTT. Device is recognized, Z2M is started and there are no errors in the log. I've added Z2M to the sidebar and opened the UI.

As a test device, I've got a temp/humidity sensor sonoff snzb-02. This should go to pairing mode after holding the button for 5 seconds. I see three red light flashes on the device, but nothing happens on the devices page of the Z2M UI.

I would expect the device to pair. What troubleshooting paths are available?

ashen bluff
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Did you permit pairing in Z2M?

karmic light
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i read it was on by default, but i will check

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can't share screenshots but i click the permit join (all) and it counts down from 4 minutes

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this does not impact result when trying to pair again

rapid dawnBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

bold trench
karmic light
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so permit is on i assume, if there is no other switch elsewere that can block it

ashen bluff
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I'd suggest enabling debug logging, trying to pair close to the coordinator and making sure there's no interference. Use a extension cable, stay away from USB 3 and so on. See pins in this channel for more.

karmic light
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im sitting next to the normal wifi AP, without a usb extension cable and on USB 3.0. you might be on to something there :x

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hopefully i will be able to pay it forward later when i get some more time in with the solution, for now i can sleep well knowing i will be able to exactly determine the temperature and humidity of my living room over time

dapper loom
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is anyone familiar with aqara e1 curtain driver?

dapper loom
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no one ?

ashen bluff
dapper loom
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am sorry

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didn't meant to

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am having 2 of those - lumi.curtain.agl001

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my problem is that they both report open , when they are closed

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and closed when they are open

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I've used the custom quirk

tropic depot
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they’re probably inverted

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Hold off on going crazy with this rn

dapper loom
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I've turn them physically around

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but same situation

tropic depot
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I have changes pending to clean up ZHA covers and handle inverting correctly

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Should be in next months release

dapper loom
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thanks

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i have good feedback o share

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something also very strange.

ashen bluff
dapper loom
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both having the same firmware. 0x0000001b
both having the same quirk zhaquirks.xiaomi.aqara.driver_curtain_e1.DriverE1
one is not showing curtain mode under configuration

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i can't figure it out

tropic depot
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it's all changing soon

dapper loom
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ofcourse, i deleted and re-paired. same situation.
even though is pulling the custom quirk, it doesn't show the curtain mode

tropic depot
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inversion will have a switch configuration entity in HA

dapper loom
tropic depot
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just be patient for now and wait for the beta at the end of the month

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when that comes out try it and see if it fixes your issue(s)

mellow geode
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There's already a quirk included with zha-quirks that should apply.

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There were some issues with the previous E1 driver custom quirk that I tried to clean up with: https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/pull/2629
I don't actually have the device though, so it was a bit of trial and error. I think the current implementation should at least work without being inverted though.

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You may need to remove and re-pair the device though (to clear the attribute cache) (bc of the inverted switch that is/was weirdly implemented)

tropic depot
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I'll be modifying that very soon too

mellow geode
tropic depot
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actually maybe not

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I thought there was specific inversion logic in it

dapper loom
tropic depot
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I have 2 of these... I have it almost 100% done feature wise... there is a separate PR to add config entities for it

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still working out the calibration functions

dapper loom
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it looks great

dapper loom
mellow geode
# tropic depot I thought there was specific inversion logic in it

An old custom quirk used to check the attribute to inverse the current state in HA, but multiple users mentioned that this was actually causing it to be the wrong way around. Z2M(?) and zha-quirks don't do this in the current version IIRC, but there seem to be firmware differences.
Old custom quirk: https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/pull/1648/files#diff-166efda935985eb20d2e9285895c245fa5e3b259210316c1af2a576dda4cc0edR48

mellow geode
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What HA version are you running first of all?

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And what custom quirk did you try to install?

dapper loom
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@mellow geode I had try 2629 ...never worked for me! actually I had the most problems with it

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(if you look, I left you a msg on December 16)

mellow geode
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What HA version are you running at the moment?

dapper loom
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2024.1.3

mellow geode
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And you've removed all custom quirks at the moment?

dapper loom
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yes, i confirm that i have no custom quirks at the moment

mellow geode
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And the "curtain/window covering mode" entity is only showing up for one of the devices? Does it work there and do anything?

dapper loom
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I confirm with you. The curtain mode is only showing on one device.

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If i change it, the device responds, makes a beep and when i try to open the curtain (it opens to the left) ....it goes to the right

mellow geode
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Okay, that's the expected behavior?

dapper loom
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to be honest, I think something is messed up

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because as you can remember I've also mentioned the wrong state. (december 16)

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so why the state is not corrected when I switch mode?

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I am not very familiar with zigbee but I can make you as many tests as you like and share the logs with you

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also, what about error 900 ?

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after 6 years, is the first time (this month) is coming up

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[0xBF20:1:0x0201]: 'async_configure' stage failed: 900

mellow geode
# dapper loom I am not very familiar with zigbee but I can make you as many tests as you like ...

Try the next HA Core beta when it's out at the end of the month. It might have some fixes for this. ZHA cover support is currently being re-worked.
As I don't have the device, I can only say that multiple people (in both GitHub issues and in my DMs) confirmed that the currently included quirk works for them and their state is correct.
In earlier PRs, the state was inverted depending on the curtain mode, but to me, it was reported that this was causing wrong behavior.

tropic depot
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and I’m using these to fix covers so they will be well supported when I’m done

dapper loom
mellow geode
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ZHA includes quirks by default. It seems like the current one isn't working correctly for you. It's the one from the linked PR.
Again, cover support is currently being reworked and the Aqara E1 covers should work as expected when it's finished.

dapper loom
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understand - thank you very much for your time

neon oriole
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So I'm chasing down a fun experience with zigbee2mqtt and the entity is showing me "Hidden by Integration" but I really don't know why. Any idea's on what to do here?

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Hmmm so I just messed around and told z2m to rename the devices to a new name and then back all while updating the home assistant entity which worked.

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is puzzled

regal pumice
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@cloud swallow

I have an idea, so you know typically if I was to use one 2way switch with the relay I would do l1 and common to s1 and s2 on the relay, this would allow a single switch to act as a trigger to toggle the state.

Now what if we recreated this by not doing 3 way and just doing two 2 way switches.

L1 to S1 and Common to S2 and same pattern with switch 2.

There would be enough conductors.

The only issue is that the Sonoff only has two low voltage terminals, right? Couldn't we just use two 3 way bridges, (lever nuts, wageos, or push ins) one for s1 and another for s2.

Wouldn't the Sonoff relay just take it as the same switch being toggled?

If you feel that's possible and safe, is there a more optimized method?

lavish karma
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Guys any temperature sensor that you can pool or sending changes per 0,2°C or better 0,1 please? 🙂

pseudo relic
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Reposted from general
Wow, not good. I purchased Aqara Temperature and Humidity Sensor (also has pressure). And this thing eats batteries, It's currently using 10%/day. Is there anyway to change the update intervals in HASS?

sour shadow
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That's 100% handled by the sensor

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Your problem is a weak signal (you did pick a nearby router to pair it through?) or interference

sterile perch
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Yeah you got something weird going there, I have 4 of those sensors with the defaults in ZHA and the batteries are still over 50% after a year

sour shadow
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Even my one in the attic, where it's been below -5 most of the week, has had no battery issues like that

austere patio
high knot
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Seems to accept 5-32vac/vdc

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So it could be powered off C wire

pseudo relic
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sour shadow
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well, that only helps if you pair it through that router

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if you just smacked the pair button then nobody knows what that device picked

pseudo relic
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Good point,

sour shadow
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This is a well know, and well documented, quirk with the original Aqara devices

pseudo relic
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Weird thing is it was about 10ft from the router

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Now it's working sitting next to the router (2ft)

main ruin
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I saw my aquara temp sensor switch routers exactly once for a day

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So they are able to do it. But they likely decide not to

pseudo relic
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Still don't know which router it's paired with

main ruin
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You should be able to see that on the visualizer

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At least zha has such, no idea about z2m

pseudo relic
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Where's the visualizer?

main ruin
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When you click on configuration of the gateway

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Then it's one of the pages available

pseudo relic
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Got it 🙂

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Ouch that picture hurt my brain

pseudo relic
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Most bizzare, it's not linked to anything in the network (???)

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And it's now 3ft from the main ZigBee controller (and I re-paired it)

austere patio
subtle tinsel
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i have an issue with phoscon - i can control the lights in phoscon just fine, but it does not work in home assistant - but only for those lights that are part of a group in phoscon. the bulbs that are individually added to phoscon work in homeassistant just fine, those bulbs that are in a group can only be controlled via phoscon and not through homeassistant - does anyone have an idea what i could do to fix this?

subtle tinsel
languid sky
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After ZigStar addon failure, I'm trying to flash my Sonoff Dongle–P using Python script – any idea what's wrong?

root@s720proxmox:~/cc2538-bsl-master# python3 cc2538-bsl.py -p /dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_74af528edd9ced1185ae7afaa7669f5d-if00-port0 -evw --bootloader-sonoff-usb CC1352P2_CC2652P_launchpad_coordinator_20230507.hex 
sonoff
Opening port /dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_74af528edd9ced1185ae7afaa7669f5d-if00-port0, baud 500000
Reading data from CC1352P2_CC2652P_launchpad_coordinator_20230507.hex
Firmware file: Intel Hex
Connecting to target...
CC1350 PG2.0 (7x7mm): 352KB Flash, 20KB SRAM, CCFG.BL_CONFIG at 0x00057FD8
Primary IEEE Address: 00:12:4B:00:2B:48:1C:69
    Performing mass erase
Erasing all main bank flash sectors
    Erase done
Writing 360448 bytes starting at address 0x00000000
ERROR: Timeout waiting for ACK/NACK after 'Send data (0x24)'
molten linden
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it is losing connection with the cc2652

languid sky
# molten linden it is losing connection with the cc2652

i can see the timeout… but what now? it is still discoverable by HA (HA proposes to use install it with ZHA), but it doesn't work anymore -> since I've failed to flash it via ZigStar addon. Hence now, me trying to flash it via the BSL script. failing as well…

molten linden
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the serial chip is what is seen by HA discovery

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did the addon (which runs essentially the same process) fail the same way? the cc2652 may be bad

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I've flashed 1000's of them and have only seen this situation where the erase succeseds and the write fails once or twice. and I just consider them failed modules.

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@languid sky I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

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@languid sky I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
molten linden
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so basically the same, the addon uses a fork of cc-2538-bsl.py which changed the error message. ```ERROR: No response from target on status request. (Did you disable the bootloader?)
= ERROR: Timeout waiting for ACK/NACK after 'Send data (0x24)'

haughty frost
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Can someone please help me? I changed my Zigbee2MQTT channel to 15. And now my Zigbee2MQTT add-on keeps failing to start 😦

languid sky
last rain
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Hi All, I have a weird thing happening. Last night the lights in the lounge and kitchen turned off at 9:45pm, triggered by a zigbee wall button switching off… yet no one switched them off. I grabbed any related log files in the HA log here https://hastebin.com/share/ikahuharuc.css - Just wondering if anyone had any smart ideas about what might be happening here? Screenshot of one of the switches: https://imgur.com/a/hx3AkwJ

shadow kettle
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Is there any UI in or for ZHA to configure device settings? I‘ve heard that Z2M has a UI for instance to configure thresholds for motion sensors. The only thing I found so far is manually fiddling around with clusters/attributes in „manage zigbee device“.

austere patio
shadow kettle
austere patio
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Yes, common device features are exposed as configuration entities

last rain
shadow kettle
austere patio
limber jay
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I have a device i only can turn off and not on. Is it a config in the js file for zigbee2mqtt to tell it its only a tun off switch ?

shadow kettle
austere patio
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Quirks are required to map out ZigBee functionality, name attributes, commands, etc. If your device is a variant of a known one (i.e. Tuya), you may not need to do much, since the quirk-specific controls are already mapped within ZHA to entities. If it's a completely new device, you'll need both.

shadow kettle
shadow kettle
shadow kettle
languid sky
dapper loom
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am running HA from 2016 - never before had so many problems with zigbee

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hope that the beta coming out end of month will solve them

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is anyone else facing unavailable problems with the last version ?

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noone ?

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was thinking to downgrade version of HA as my last option

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have tried everything

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do you think it's a good ideA?

languid sky
# dapper loom is anyone else facing unavailable problems with the last version ?

I've been having Zigbee issues since around december. LQI would be unavailable "randomly" for devices, my Ketotek thermostat (quirked) stopped being handled by ZHA entirely.

Tried (re)enable ZHA, tried to restore Proxmox's backup from the beginning of december -> didn't work. Today I've finally managed to upgrade my dongle's firmware -> it works ok now, so far so good.

dapper loom
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I have try everything

languid sky
dapper loom
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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I am making serious thoughts about it

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to replace it

languid sky
dapper loom
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but I think Dongle-P works only with Zigbee2Mqtt

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I am on ZHA

languid sky
valid night
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Hello, i have been trying to get my IKEA lights integrated into Home Assistant (Using ZHA), but i have run into a problem. i have exclusively IKEA Color and Color temperature lights. But some of them i can only set the color in home assistant. I cannot figure out why.
Ex:

  • TRADFRI bulb E27 CWS opal 600lm - doesn't allow me to change color temperature only color
  • TRADFRI bulb E27 CWS 806lm - does allow me to change both color and color temperature.
    I have been looking into the zigpy device_handler quirks, but it seems that there are no quirks for these lights, so i assume that they use the generic zigby light setup.
    On the IKEA hub i was able to change both color and color temperature for all lights.

Do you have any suggestions to what might be wrong with my setup?
By all means tell me if you are missing some information i will gladly try to find more info!

dapper loom
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what it drives me mad is that there are no errors at logs

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nodes seems that they are on (e.g. my TRV)

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but they are not

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no erros - no logs

languid sky
# dapper loom here is my mess https://pasteboard.co/RIyp9Ehlqe06.png

i'm a noob, have no idea – u asked if anyone had problems with Zigbee recently -> i did, that's it 😉 what's the solution, idk. for now it looks like upgrading firmware on my dongle helped. or maybe just reattaching the dongle to the usb port. not sure what really helped, i'm just glad that after a month of problems and a week entirely without the zigbee network, it finally works 😛

dapper loom
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does anyone know if i remove the dongle from my raspberry is this going to cause problems to my ZHA setup ?

languid sky
dapper loom
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power on without the usb stick, doesn't seem right ...

upbeat goblet
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dang they fixed the price of those sendled lights, back up to $40 for 2 + hub

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least i got 2 sets at the $11 deal

dapper loom
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no very chatty tonight - I guess everybody is writing automations 🙂

tropic depot
pseudo relic
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Odd think is the log says it's unknown 3hrs ago (last entry), the graphs report updates in the last few minutes

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BTW, thanks, the zigbee actually works quite well in my home (34 devices, 1 controller)

regal pumice
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I need switch recommendations 🤭

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I'm looking for a 3 gang (3 button) wall junction mounted switch that uses neutral and common 120v ac for supply.

There will be NO pyshcial load

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I just want something that can toggle 3 zigbee relays with loads across the room

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So it has to be something I can setup automations for in HA, for example switch 1 press thus toggle relay 1 state.

Not direct on and off since the state of the relay could be either.

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Just toggle state of relay when button is pressed.

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Preferably 3 buttons or four buttons

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Any suggestions are greatly appreciated 😊

leaden canyon
regal pumice
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It scares me when ya all say things like that and mines currently working fine. 😬

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I hope the stability doesn't stop 😭

austere patio
mighty river
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Does anyone by chance use the Aqara temperature/moisture/pressure sensor? I have three of those. Two work fine while the third only works for a few hours after I pair it and then gives up.

mighty river
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By the way, does it make any difference if I pair from the coordinator or from a router close by?

midnight cliff
mighty river
sour shadow
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Yes, and always pair Aqara end devices through a nearby router

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The original ones (not E1/T1/P1) pick the first thing they hear, even if the signal is terrible, and then they stick

mighty river
sour shadow
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Weak signal?

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interference?

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Dead battery?

mighty river
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Nah, like I said, the battery was one of the first things I changed. And also, it worked for weeks before becoming unstable. Maybe there's *new *intereference though.

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Should the Aqara sensors come up again after changing the battery? I have the impression that I need to re-pair them every time once they got "lost"

sour shadow
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Yes, they should and all of mine do

mighty river
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Hm, have to keep an eye on that

light plover
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Hello guys, last week I buy ZBdongle-E 3.0. Have TrueNAS Server, on this server a VM of HAOS. When I plug dongle to server, HA see it, but every time when I configure a Zigbee2MQTT have this error :

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[09:27:10] INFO: Preparing to start...
[09:27:10] INFO: Socat not enabled
[09:27:11] INFO: Starting Zigbee2MQTT...
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2024-01-19 09:27:13: Logging to console and directory: '/config/zigbee2mqtt/log/2024-01-19.09-27-13' filename: log.txt
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2024-01-19 09:27:13: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.35.1 (commit #unknown)
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2024-01-19 09:27:13: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.30.0)
Error: Reset error: Error: {"sequence":-1} after 10000ms
at /app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/uart.ts:299:23
at Queue.executeNext (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/utils/queue.ts:32:32)

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my Config file od Z2M looks this:

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sour shadow
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Remember too to use a code share site for anything over 15 lines

light plover
rapid dawnBOT
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Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

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@light plover I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

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light plover
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ZBdongle-E is upgraded to 7.3 version. What I do wrong?

sour shadow
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So much for a code share site...

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Make sure that ZHA isn't also enabled

light plover
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Always when I click on Configuration button, have this message:
Zigbee home automation
Failed to probe the USB device

light plover
sour shadow
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Sounds like a USB passthrough problem

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And .. Zigbee Home Automation is ZHA 😉

languid sky
leaden canyon
# austere patio Are you using Multiprotocol?

What's that? ZHA and zigbee2mqtt? No, just ZHA.

A snippet from the logs:
[0x211A:1:0x0020] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.11/site-packages/zigpy/zcl/init.py", line 377, in request return await self._endpoint.request( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/local/lib/python3.11/site-packages/zigpy/endpoint.py", line 253, in request return await self.device.request( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/local/lib/python3.11/site-packages/zigpy/device.py", line 321, in request with self._pending.new(sequence) as req: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ File "/usr/local/lib/python3.11/site-packages/zigpy/util.py", line 296, in new raise ControllerException(f"Duplicate TSN: {sequence}") zigpy.exceptions.ControllerException: Duplicate TSN: 186 The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/cluster_handlers/general.py", line 504, in check_in_response await self.checkin_response(True, self.CHECKIN_FAST_POLL_TIMEOUT, tsn=tsn) File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/cluster_handlers/init.py", line 83, in wrapper with wrap_zigpy_exceptions(): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.11/contextlib.py", line 155, in exit self.gen.throw(typ, value, traceback) File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/cluster_handlers/init.py", line 75, in wrap_zigpy_exceptions raise HomeAssistantError(message) from exc homeassistant.exceptions.HomeAssistantError: Failed to send request: Duplicate TSN: 186

What is "Duplicate TSN"?

leaden canyon
austere patio
lofty stag
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hello folks

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I am reading that to speed up the mesh creation you must turn off HA for 20 minutes. Is this correct?

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has anyone know about this please ?

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nobody please ?

sour shadow
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Patience 😉

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However, no, that's utter BS, or you're mis-understanding what you read

pseudo relic
mighty river
pseudo relic
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BTW, the Aqua sensor seems to come and go (it's unknown, it updates)

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I paired mine really close to the coordinator, also doesn't report on neighbors in the map

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It's not behaving okay for the second day

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Let's see if it can go 3

leaden canyon
sour shadow
pseudo relic
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It didn't like the router I tried first, the Aqara sensor went off line after about an hour and wasn't never seen again

sour shadow
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Fresh batteries help a lot of the time, and checking for other 2.4 GHz noise (WiFi etc)

pseudo relic
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Brand new

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Good, energizer batteries

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Buying cheap batteries usually means less amp hrs

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Well noise, I suspect a lot

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I think I ahve 60 APs in my neighborhood

sour shadow
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Check the channels then

pseudo relic
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I'll need to look into that, I have some 34 devices now (I think the Sonoff 3 supports up to 64, others only 32)

sour shadow
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Routers extend that support to ... lots and lots

pseudo relic
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I've got quite a few routers in the network so that's good

slender tapir
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Hi there! recently switched from a conbee2 to conbee3 on ai pi4b+ with ZHA... repaired everything "for a clean" install,... except for one ikea bulb everything is working, BUT every hour or so my entities become unavailable....

bold trench
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Hey guys i got a new mmWave Sensor from Aliexpress. Unfortuatly it detects motion when there is no motion and I'm in a far other room. Then there is no calibration settings and i cant set the reset time for this sensor. Can someone help?

IEEE: a4:c1:38:49:c7:ce:80:12
Nwk: 0x0090
Device Type: Router
LQI: 174
RSSI: -50
Zuletzt gesehen: 2024-01-19T15:27:34
Energiequelle: Mains

sour shadow
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What's the make and model?

austere patio
slender tapir
bleak eagle
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I'm instaling home assistant with z2m as containers.
Do I need to expose the zigbee controller to HA too?
As I've understood it HA will communicate with the devices through mqtt, so is it really necessary to expose the usb device to HA too?

carmine hamlet
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No

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Only to Z2M

sour shadow
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As was already said

maiden cliff
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I don’t remember if I’ve asked this here already, but I don’t think I got an answer yet either way: this is a bit of a crossover with #hardware-archived, these bseed zigbee units are clearly intended for euro style in-wall boxes. Does anyone happen to know a good quality surface mount on-wall box solution that really fits nicely? Or even one that is bad quality, even.

austere patio
dapper loom
dapper loom
dapper loom
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@puddy on #107200 you saying "Is your coordinator on a USB extension cable and away from 2.4GHz interference sources such as any USB 3.0 port or device, SSD, etc.?"
how far is good ?

austere patio
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How close is it to either?

dapper loom
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coordinator <> aps = 5-7 meters

austere patio
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What about SSDs and USB 3.0 ports?

dapper loom
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am not using anything to usb 3.0 ports

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I have ssd coonected to the raspberry

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but the coordinator is connected with 2 meters extension cable

sour shadow
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The other pins are also good to read

dapper loom
hearty patio
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Hey @austere patio , you there?

mellow geode
hearty patio
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Anyone recently install a SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus-E on a fresh install Rpi with ZHA? I had an issue before where it, as a coordinator, would show up as unknown manuf and model, and I was testing different firmware, and different dongle Plus-E's, yet it always shows up as unknown, even though the device itself does have the Silicon Labs / EZ coding on it. Seems to be a bug with ZHA and this device.

mellow geode
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I think Sonoff just didn't set that information in their firmware. If everything works, you can safely ignore that for the coordinator.
Previously, ZHA didn't try to read it from the stick, but instead showed some basic information depending on the "coordinator protocol" used.
If you use a SkyConnect for example, you should see the proper information, but again, doesn't really matter.

frigid sky
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hello

hearty patio
# mellow geode I think Sonoff just didn't set that information in their firmware. If everything...

Thanks, yeah Puddly said the same, and it just let me curious considering when all the tutorials on YouTube showed the installation properly showing the device information. I thought all the devices just didn't include the information, however, upon reinstallation of ZHA, when I added the device, ZHA detected two instances: one zigbee controller with unknown/unknown, and the Silicon Labs EZSP. So I had two devices listed, but one was read with the correct information, and the coordinator showed unknown. So due to that, I just wanted to try and figure out if it was a random setting or other issue or mistake on my end.

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Yeah SkyConnect shows everything perfectly, every time.

mellow geode
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If ZHA detected two coordinators, you might have stale information in your zigbee.db (in your /config directory). It's not deleted when you delete the ZHA integration.
You should be able to delete one of the coordinator devices directly from HA if you still have multiple.

hearty patio
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I was going to switch to SkyConnect, but I do not have any zigbee issues with Sonoff, and I wasn't sure what to expect using the SkyConnect, so I never did a migration or tested it too indepth,.

frigid sky
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Is there any maintained or voted on list of best/most reliable coordinators and routers?

hearty patio
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Thanks

mellow geode
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Do you mean that the proper name is shown during the config flow / initial setup?

frigid sky
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just jumping in to say that I have a Tuya mmWave and it constantly spams the network with or without the quirk. The quirk just

hearty patio
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Yeah, like if I let it automatically setup by selecting /dev/ttyACM0/ the path after has all the names correctly, or if I click manual, and I select the EZSP name, like everything looks good and correct, until it asks me to name the room the coordinator is in, and it shows unknown for everything. Except, when the duplicate occurs, then the device shows as Silicon Labs EZSP properly, but not as a coordinator, as its own device.

sour shadow
hearty patio
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Totally on the same page, if it works, it works, but it's just something I wish I could have figured out lol. Why its happening.

frigid sky
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sadly I have many Osram devices

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they are poop

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I wonder if I could get them to pair to their own router to semi-segregate them from the network

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I think they are all stuck on Zigbee 1.2

sour shadow
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Yeet them, you'll be grateful later

austere patio
frigid sky
austere patio
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If you can, record a debug log with the version of HA that works. The devices are sending nonstop traffic, like 40 packets per second at some point, with disable_default_response=0, meaning that they ask the coordinator to send back an acknowledgement to every single one.

frigid sky
austere patio
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Right. But if it works in an older version and not in a newer one, something changed somewhere. And until we figure out what that something is, it'll stay broken in the next release 😄

frigid sky
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I'm on 2024.1.3 and it's not too bad. My main issue is that sometimes my crappy ecobee lights drop off the network and then when they reconnect they flash on max brighness, usually at 3am in the bedroom, which is not appreciated

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I'm going to try and roll back to 12.3 or 12.2 (I just upgraded from like 2023.6.x or something so I'm still fixing a few things)

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@austere patio I put some logs on the github issue

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that didn't work

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I wish there was also a voted on or curated list of brands and devices. Osram is definitely poison for the network. The nifty Tuya mmWave sensor seems to also be destructive. I have some old CentraLite motion/temperature PIR sensors that are the most reliable thing in HA, bar none.

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I'm still looking for the perfect motion sensor. It seems like the best is to just DIY an ESP32 and plug it into the wall.

sour shadow
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Trouble is, who manages that list?

frigid sky
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Jeff Bezos, obv

sour shadow
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Many people have started one, and then discovered just how damn hard it is to manage it, and given up

frigid sky
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I'm hoping HA has yet to be infiltrated by the shill armies that make Amazon reviews useless

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I think some sort of voting page in the zigbee section of the forums might be helpful, but there are so many unaccounted for variables that can affect whether or not a device works well for a person.

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Maybe you have to have a certain number of devices or have them working for at least 2 months to submit the vote, on the honor system.

dapper loom
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getting som many [0x0EB5:1:0xe001] Unknown cluster command 225 b"\x02|\xc7=-'\x00\x00\x00'\x00\x00\x00\x00"

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Does anyone knows whast is zigbee node with nwk 0x3910

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?

mellow geode
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Go to the ZHA Visualization and enter 0x0EB5 in the search field. The one node that matches should (barely) be highlighted.

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I guess it's a Tuya device/plug or something.

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Logging for this is reduced on HA Core 2024.1.4 and newer. You can safely ignore those messages.

bleak eagle
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do you name your devices in z2m or ha? there's also the option "Update Home Assistant entity ID", do you have any tips here?

main ruin
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both should be somewhat independent from each other

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z2m is more of a standalone solution

bleak eagle
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for now I renamed my devies in z2m (friendly name) to e.g. light_hallway-door with the "update ha entity id" option

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I was just asking because I only have a few devices now and I'm creating my first automations, but if you have any tips for good conventions to use from the beginning I'd appreciate it 🙂

main ruin
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personally i would i like names that uniquely identify the device and then apply an alias on the ha side aswell as asign a room to identify them more human fashionable

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but this comes down to preference

bleak eagle
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you mean like physically label the bulbs with numbers and match those in z2m? (e.g. ikea_light_1) etc?

main ruin
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partially, for example my aquara h&t sensor got the entity_id lumi_weather_<ieee_serial> or some brand tuya smart plug ts011f_<ieee_serial> and then in homeassistant i just set a nicer name as alias like Bathroom Temperature for the device entities

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that way i could move around the plug and repurpose it without loosing track of previous data

bleak eagle
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good idea

regal pumice
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I would hope this is zigbee

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But any alternative suggestions?

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I'm looking for a zigbee 3 button switch with neutral that'll fit in a single junction

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Just wanna program automations in HA for it, no pyshcial loads.

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I'm basically looking for a scene switch I guess

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Maybe something without tuya in the name

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But... avoiding them is nearly impossible let's be honest

valid night
tropic cloud
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Any chance of giving ZHA some love in the near future? Had to switch to ZHA from zigbee2mqtt and gotta say its very limeted compared. But it works really well so some added funtionallity would probably bring alot of ppl over 🙂

mellow geode
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In what ways did you find it limited? OTA updates will come to the UI soon for example

tropic cloud
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Thats good 🙂 Just seems less intuetive etc... Trying to remove a device is not easy, debugging a device is not easy..etc etc

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Just seems a lot of integartions are getting improvements but not zha...

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feels old and outdatetd

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dont mean to step on anyoens toes...i switched becous it has the most compatability for devices 😄

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hacks ZHA Network Card is a great addition that can be helpfull

maiden cliff
regal pumice
maiden cliff
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I’ve noticed that my Tuya switches/buttons for the most part aren’t good about offering binding endpoints, so I can only use them to run automations.

regal pumice
main ruin
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It's a mixed batch for tuya

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Some chips work better or worse then others, some features get cut out or are not available, there may always be the option for it being a unsuitable composition of components

dapper loom
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I must say that after 20 hours to version 2023.12.3 I've seen significant improvement to my zigbee network

maiden cliff
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And my 4button-scene-selector in the front room has been having issues, that went away temporarily when rebooting the HA machine, but this time I power cycled the button itself and that also seems to have helped. So maybe that will turn out to be the issue. Let’s hope it doesn’t get into that state often though because disassembling buttons to remove and reinstall the batteries isn’t fun.

pseudo relic
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Following up on my issues with ZigBee and the Aqara Temp/Hum/Presure sensor.
01-20 02:36:31.560 WARNING (MainThread) [zigpy.application] Zigbee channel 11 utilization is 89.80%!

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I'll start by moving the PC with the dongle. Not sure when I'll get to do that yet.

solar sluice
keen merlin
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Is there a way to determine the actual mesh path that device use to contact the controller? The HA network diagram is bogus. I disconnected the router node for device and it still reported in immediately and the network diagram still reflects the old path and the presence of the disconnected node

austere patio
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The networking diagram is built by asking every mains-powered device on the network what its neighbors and child devices are. This is done every four hours. It's not realtime.

keen merlin
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can you force an update?

austere patio
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Click the "Refresh topology" button and wait for 5 minutes

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There's no fixed path (nor is the path symmetric), they're recomputed constantly by devices on the network.

frigid sky
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will it ever be possible to get past the maximum group commands per 9 seconds (ish?) limitation of zigbee?

keen merlin
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They can't be recomputed continuously or battery powered devices wouldn't last long

austere patio
austere patio
frigid sky
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Zigbee groups work great for me to control my lights, but if I'm sending a light set level with on/off and a light set color temperature for each group of lights I can overload the mesh just walking through my not-that-big house

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it's a bummer

austere patio
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If you want to try tweaking things, see if changing these constants works for you (e.g. radius=3, non_member_radius=1)

keen merlin
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OK so the mains routers remove other failed routers from the mesh and when a terminal device can't connect to it's router "broadcasts a help message" of sorts to get new router?

frigid sky
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I don't know if I'm ready to do custom_deps again. I might forget and bork my system on an upgrade

bold plume
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Where can I find a Custom quirks file for a Zigbee AM43 blinds controller

I am having the issue that it gets detected as a "Temperature sensor" instead of a blinds controller/cover

frigid sky
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maybe

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i see you have created an issue there

keen merlin
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It's been more than five minutes and the disconnected router is still present in the network map and still connected to other routers and end nodes

bold plume
# frigid sky i see you have created an issue there

Correct. was hoping someone had a Custom quirk file that I could test out, since in the previous support request, people talked about a custom quirk, but when I try to look for it, I can't find it.

If its just a misaligned header, it would be fine with me as well.

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to get normal support.

frigid sky
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if you go to the device page and click the 3-dots across from the "reconfigure" button and then select "manage zigbee device" and then "signature" what is the model at the bottom of that json?

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also the manufacturer

austere patio
frigid sky
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maybe the other devices hold on to their map info longer

keen merlin
austere patio
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Let's take a step back here. What are you looking to do?

frigid sky
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@bold plume you might just have to add your manufacturer line to the ts0601.py quirk like here: MODELS_INFO: [ ("_TZE200_fzo2pocs", "TS0601"), ],

keen merlin
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I'm trying to analyze the effect of routers going down on terminal nodes being able to report. I have created two battery backed routers using Sonoff sticks flashed with router code. I located these at two locations in my house to serve as routers should the power fail. They work and are meshed. My HA system, routers, SMS server, etc are on UPS and will continue to function.

austere patio
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You won't be able to recover properly after the power failure ends because end devices picking these routers will stick to them until the routers disconnect

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Assuming end devices can contact them to begin with

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And assuming the end devices can even switch parents

empty igloo
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Hello. I'm trying to move away from my Hue Bridge and it seems I'm unable to really use the Philips Dimmer V2 using ZHA. Would I have to do some weird shenanigans to get it working or does it only work through Zigbee2MQTT?

keen merlin
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I'm trying to make sure end nodes can report during a power failure. Are you telling me that some zigbee devices may not be able to switch parent routers? Would that be a vilation of thew zigbee standard?

austere patio
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Yes, some older Aqara devices don't switch parent routers and will just wait for their original parent to come back online. They will never scan for a new parent.

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Easiest way to test would be to just cut power to your house and see what happens 😄

keen merlin
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There's reason I use Z-Wave for my most critical devices. They are tested for compliance not self "certified". I plan on full power cut test.
My battery backed routers https://i.imgur.com/264KOyI.png

austere patio
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Old Aqara devices were never advertised as Zigbee compliant to begin with (or even as Zigbee devices from what I recall) so you get what you pay for 🤷‍♂️

keen merlin
grim igloo
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his point is that you're blaming the standard or lack thereof when really it's the devices (and manufacturers) that are bad actors. there are plenty of zwave devices that the zwave alliance should've put in a volcano and device firmware is often fucked on lots of zwave devices (not to say there arent issues with some zigbee stuff either)

frigid sky
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zigbee is a cluster of poorly implemented and nonstandard devices

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the things tuya does are insane

long junco
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I have some new Ikea bulbs which I am trying to add to my Zigbee network on a SkyConnect coordinator. They initally connect and configure and then fail. Exactly as in this "stale" thread. https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/86976. There are also several other closed, but not resolved threads with similar issues. Is it worth bothering to raise yet another one, if they are all being ignored.

keen merlin
austere patio
mellow geode
# long junco I have some new Ikea bulbs which I am trying to add to my Zigbee network on a Sk...

Since some of the comments seem to differ from the original post in that issue, what do you mean exactly with "and then fail"?

  1. The pairing never completes for you and no entity shows up.
  2. Does the bulb pair with the light entity showing up, but you just can't control it?
  3. or another issue?

But raising a new issue with debug logs might help (and screenshots of how the pairing window and device page look maybe).

long junco
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The paring completes and the device is completed. Then around 30 seconds latter it fails and will not respond and eventually goes unavailable.

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I will have another go tomorrow at linking the bulbs again.

mellow geode
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But before "it fails", you can control it from HA?

bold plume
heavy tiger
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Hi all, I have a few questions about Home Assistant, Tuya, Homekit and ZigBee devices. I am using Raspberry Pi 4 which is running Home Assistant on it, and running Homebridge via Portainer in Home Assistant as well. Also, I have connected Sonoff USB Zigbee Dongle to Raspberry Pi.

My first question, I have installed MQTT (Mosquitto Broker) and Zigbee2MQTT in HA. I have 2 different ZigBee devices, one of them is “Tuya Zigbee PIR Smart Motion Sensor” and, other one is “Tuya Zigbee Smart Button”. Both devices are integrated into HA, and working properly with no issue at this point but when I tried to transfer to Homekit via HomeKit Bridge, only I could see the motion sensor is added to Homekit. I couldn't find any way to add the smart button to Homekit.

Second question, I have “Tuya WiFi Temperature Humidity Sensor”, “Tuya Bluetooth Temperature Humidity Sensor”, and “Tuya Bluetooth Led Strip”. I have connected them to Tuya App. All devices are working properly in Tuya App. But when I tried to integrate to HA via Tuya Cloud, only wifi devices looked like online. The rest of their status was offline. Because of that reason, I couldn't integrate Bluetooth tuya devices into HA. Should I buy Tuya Bluetooth Gateway?

Any advice is appreciated. Thank you in advance.

long junco
half cradle
mellow geode
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Also, did you migrate from another coordinator to SkyConnect?

long junco
inland agate
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I have a eth wired Zigbee coordinator. At the moment, my ZHA integration is set to use the coordinator's IP (socket://W.X.Y.Z:8888) but I would like to switch to using a local domain assigned to the coordinator (zigbee.home -> socket://zigbee.home:8888), so that I can move IPs around in some VLANs
I've tried editing the config entry for ZHA (/config/.storage/core.config_entries), but neither the entry name, nor the serial port (updated with the new domain setting) seem to be updating when I click "Configure" after an integration reload. Am I doing something wrong? Is there any caching in place?
Alternately, how could I change the coordinator's IP address without deleting the ZHA integration entry and having to re-add and rename all 80+ devices?

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apparently a restart was required

molten linden
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A migration > reconfigure current radio would achieve this with out a restart (zha would restart but not all of ha)

boreal hamlet
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Hi! I'm a newbie and have this Moes ZM-105B-M. I have it connected to ZHA (Green) and it's recognized as TS0601 (not sure if it should be like that) so i want to dim the light, or even just on/off and it's not working. Do you folks have an idea if i just configured it wrongly or if i'm missing any second step?

boreal hamlet
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The device is indeed registered but i can't use it in any automation. I don't even have its controls

gleaming socket
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For the Sonoff Zigbee adapter. How far is the range? Can it go through walls and pipes?

austere patio
austere patio
gleaming socket
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Got it. Ideally I don’t have to do that. But I’ll check it out thanks

boreal hamlet
austere patio
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It'll probably be in the 2024.2.0 beta

boreal hamlet
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i see the beta is coming out in january 31st if i'm not mistaken... thanks!

worthy patio
long junco
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Puddly has suggested I upgrade the firmware on my SkyConnect. Please can someone confirm if this will mean I need to repair all my devices? Also if I should shut down home assistant completely before removing the SkyConnect from the PC.

austere patio
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You can just unplug it and flash it, ZHA auto restores your network settings (this isn't actually needed with the SkyConnect though, as a firmware update doesn't affect them)

long junco
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Thanks, I hate messing with firmware upgrades. Too many years experience of problems. I might wait till the morning as if I break all the motion sensors and existing lights I will not be popular.

austere patio
grim igloo
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i mean it's doing something.. you just cant interact with it lmao

worthy patio
long junco
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I have a lot of Aqara zigbee devices which seem to work fine on ZHA and are supported on Zigbee2MQtt. The best thing is to check out the supported device list and only purchase ones on that list.

worthy patio
long junco
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Identical model numbers would be safer.

tropic depot
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Aqara stuff is better than Tuya

shadow tartan
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I got 5 Aqara wireless mini switches from AliExpress and they all work fine.

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Some were a pain to pair with ZHA, but at least they eventually worked.

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I may load up on their sensors if I end up dumping Yolink

trail sky
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someone told me that I shouldn’t update IKEA's tradfris. is it now?

winged coyote
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Anyone having issues with Inovelli fan switches after the Firmware update?

I can turn them on/off in Z2M directly, but HASS says they're unavailable and won't let me control them at all. Very odd

sour shadow
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3Reality is the exception

grim igloo
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did third reality rename to 3 reality?

sour shadow
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Never can remember their name

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Something like that

grim igloo
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third rock from the sun 😛

shadow tartan
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I tried finding their website one day and couldn't find it.

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Then I went on their Facebook page and found out it was 3reality dot com.

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Seems like they use both names interchangeably.

fluid lintel
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Any input how to debug the following error from Zigbee2MQTT? I'm not sure why it stopped working, but I suspect it was after I wanted to test installing the Add-On OpenThread Border Router. I've also tried to restore backup to one week ago. I even removed the Thread Router again

Error: Reset error: Error: {"sequence":-1} after 10000ms
at /app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/uart.ts:299:23
at Queue.executeNext (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/utils/queue.ts:32:32)

sour shadow
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You didn't install the multi-protocol add-on and flash the stick, did you?

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The devs are moving to strongly discouraging that approach

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Also, recent versions of that add-on don't support Z2M

fluid lintel
sour shadow
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So, that add-on expects to use the stick, the one that Z2M is using

fluid lintel
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Shouldn't it be reversed, when I deinstall the Thread Router and afterwards restore to an older version backup? Or do it do some magic on the hardware that I can't roll back?

sour shadow
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Should be, hopefully

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Though a simple reboot may also fix it if you removed the add-ons

fluid lintel
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Yah I did that too several times. Nothing helpen. 😦

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Nothing as in:

  1. Uninstall Thread Router, restart
  2. Rollback to earlier backup, restart
sour shadow
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No multi-protocol add-on?

fluid lintel
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It's a Home Assistant Yellow, and I can see I can "Enable multiprotocol support on the IEEE 802" under the Hardware section. Is it was you refer to? It is currently not enabled.

sour shadow
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Good, you don't want that enabled

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And you don't want the multiprotocol add-on installed

fluid lintel
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If I would like to have Thread Border Router, should I then install my old Conbee2, use it for ZigBee2MQTT, and the use the builtin radio in HA Yellow as the Thread device instead?

sour shadow
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#thread-archived can tell you about the Thread side, but probably - just remember to use a USB extension cable

fluid lintel
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I got it working after a firmware upgrade from the official Ad-On Solicon Labs Flasher. 🙂

olive stag
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Hey,

I've just added a Ikea tradfri switch over Zigbee2MQTT.
I'm want to set it up as trigger for a lightbulb but when selecting the device as trigger im not able to select any of the buttons.
I can only select one of these 4:

update availability changed
became up-to-date
got an update available
battery battery level changes

wary harbor
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what's the "trigger indicator" switch entity in the aqara p1 motion sensor? (zha)

tropic depot
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I think it’s to enable / disable visual feedback from the device

hard swift
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I mistakenly ordered a downlight without a neutral wire.
So how do I connect this downlight to work with my neutral wire electrical system?

wary harbor
tropic depot
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I believe so

tall wyvern
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Let's say we have a house that is 3 stories, each storey is 10' tall. Whole house is lumber (built in Toronto Canada). Would one coordinator in the basement be sufficient with routers on each floor? Or recommended to have one coordinator per floor?

carmine hamlet
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You shouldn't use multiple coordinators

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Just ensure that you have adequate coverage with devices that act as routers

tall wyvern
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Okay cool. I was looking at the SLZB-06 coordinator, any idea what it's range is for ZigBee comms?

shy summit
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Does someone know if Aqara door sensor is kind of incompatible with Ikea bulbs? I cannot connect them directly, Aqara sensor always connects to my Orsam on the other end ob the house.

sour shadow
sour shadow
shy summit
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They're old. How can I see the zb version?

sour shadow
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I don't think either Z2M or ZHA shows that, but if they're old they're probably the known bad type

shy summit
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Can this be fixed by update?

sour shadow
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By updating them with something else, yes.

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By updating the firmware, no.

shy summit
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Is it enough to remove the osram devices to fix the mesh? Mine is a total mess with a lot of weak connections.

sour shadow
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Yes

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Innr are known to be strong routers

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Newer Tradfri devices are also good - the older firmware versions have problems

shy summit
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Removed all Osram/Ledvance products, I thinks it's getting greener in my mesh, thank you!

shy summit
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What is a reasonable configuration for wired and battery powered device timeout? Currently I use 21600 / 7200 but sometime I have the feeling devices are listed as online but not responding.

coarse musk
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Do have to do anything manual to get zigbee2mqtt connect devices via other wired devices that are closer than my HA yellow? The map looks like the battery devices are doing it the hard way. Doesn't look Like I'm allowed to add an image.

rapid dawnBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

ashen bluff
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You can pair to/through a specific device via the arrow beside the permit join button but most devices tend to roam around on their own.

worthy patio
# sour shadow Range from the coordinator ***to the nearest routers*** is all that matters, and...

I am using a conbee 2 coordinator and the nearest main device is like 3m. But other devices are a bit away from coordinator but closer to the Main device ( a zigbee main powered switch). Therefore i made all the switches as neutral powered switch acting as main devices. Will this interfere with the zigbee mesh or the speed of zigbee if almost 80% of my home device ( mainly switches sockets) are all main powered (neutral wire attached) and acting as a router.? Will this effect the zigbee mesh in a positive way or otherwise?

coarse musk
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Just seeing low lqi numbers on the map for battery devices that are like, 1m from a hard wired ZigBee light switch.

ashen bluff
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That's what I do. Low is relative.

sour shadow
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I am using a conbee 2 coordinator and

long junco
unborn orbit
grim igloo
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Disagree their zigbee 3.0 cat feeder even improved my mesh lol

tropic depot
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I think they are talking about Osram

grim igloo
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oh

tropic depot
# grim igloo oh

well maybe it started w/ osram I am not sure what purkinje was referring to... could be aqara

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but I agree the aqara zb 3 stuff is fine

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the older stuff works great too if you don't have routers that drop them

grim igloo
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the older aqara door/window sensor on my pantry has failed me a handful of times in like a year.. every other one has been solid

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i havent tried re pairing it tbh

clever cedar
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Someone knows why my perfectly working (1 year) zigbee devices suddenly begin to disconnect? (both zigbee router presence sensors), they are driving me nuts because I have to unplug and plug them everytime

sour shadow
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Probably interference

clever cedar
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even with lots of repeaters and routers around the house?, I mean most of the devices are 100+ lqi

sour shadow
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Doesn't mean much if those are shit routers (Sonoff, Osram), or you've got WiFi stomping all over your Zigbee channel

clever cedar
mellow geode
sour shadow
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Ah... interesting

mellow geode
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But if it's an Osram device and zclVersion on genBasic shows 1, then it's likely not great.

plain latch
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Evening folks.

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I've got an ikea 5 button controller integrated via z2m that, in addition to the light in the room also seems to toggle the aqara plug sitting in the vicinity. The light is what I have a automation for, the plug shouldn't be switching.

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The logs for the plug just say "turned on" or "turned off", like if I had toggled the physical button. Any hints on how to debug this?

ornate vault
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any issues running 2 coordinators on a network? example: one in house, one in outdoor shop on same subnet?

molten linden
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it's one coordinator per zigbee network

carmine hamlet
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The LAN network doesn't matter, though

molten linden
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if using network connected coordinators you can have multiple on the same IP network, but require multiple z2m setups or one zha and other z2m

carmine hamlet
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If using a poe coordinator

ornate vault
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i see. ideally, i'd have all my devices on the same coordinator to add more repeaters, but i'm not sure that's an option i have with a separate building

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i'm not guessing there's other solutions that people use to bridge something like that?

molten linden
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there is no way to bridge zigbee over a wired network.

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thread yes with TREL enabled boarder routers but that's another channel

ornate vault
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gotcha

robust ore
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i have philips hue motion sensors that keep getting unavailable. All random. It is connected to sonoff controller. Worked perfectly on hue hub last week. Known?

sour shadow
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What Zigbee routers do you have?

heavy fog
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Hey guys, I'm very new to HA. I got an aqara temp and humidity sensor last week and linked it directly to a skyconnect ZHA. It worked for a few days and then disconnected for no reason... I now can't work out how to remove the device and re add it, or if I should be doing something else. Battery was reporting 100% when it disconnected

heady sleet
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Not really sure if this is the right place, but does anyone have any recommendations for Zigbee-friendly key lights / ring lights that I can put behind my webcam for meetings? I have one now, but it's just remote controlled. Right now I just have it plugged into a Zigbee plug, but whenever it turns on it goes to default settings (super bright and the coolest white) so I have to find the remote to adjust anyway.

rapid dawnBOT
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@ember night I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
ember night
# heavy fog Hey guys, I'm very new to HA. I got an aqara temp and humidity sensor last week ...

If you go to 'settings' , 'devices', find your device and click the link to it. You get a page where you see 'reconfigure', and three dots next to that. I would first try to click the 'reconfigure' button. If that doesn't help, click the three dots, select 'remove' and then try to add it again. FWIW, I have an aqara temp and humidity sensor that has been up and running with no fall-out for more than a year, so it might have been a fluke

ember night
# heady sleet Not really sure if this is the right place, but does anyone have any recommendat...

The light is not a Zigbee light, but a remotely dimmable light that is linked to a Zigbee plug? In ZHA I can set the behavior at startup for each light (it's a separate entity that is created when you pair the light), so any Zigbee light that is dimmable should do. I don't know any key or ring lights from the top of my head but I know there are plenty of places that sell profiles for LED strips so you can DIY it.

heady sleet
heavy fog
ember night
ember night
# heavy fog Thanks man, that's super helpful. I've readded the sensor and hoping it stays al...

Yes, poor signal is a well-know reason for dropping devices. Almost any zigbee device that is plugged in (like a light bulb) can function as a repeater. It does need to be connected to the mains all the time, so if you just use it as a repeater, a zigbee plug is handy, or a light bulb that you switch on and off with a remote, so you don't cut the power to it when you switch it off.

heavy fog
mellow geode
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Did you set it to 4000K as the color temp?

mellow geode
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Right, that's in mired. Try 250 mired then

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on that setting, the bulb should reach 1600 lumen

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To what bulbs are you comparing it to?

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Do you know if it's first or second gen? / what's the model number in Z2M?

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Can you check the Zigbee model in Z2M?

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(First and second gen have different brightness levels, so just wanna know what you're comparing it to)

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ah, yep. That's the second gen. Should have 520 lumen (first gen only has 300 lumen)

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And you're seeing like no difference when both setting them to 4000K (250 mired), 100% brightness?

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Maybe like try pointing at it some walls and see how that compares

barren snow
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painful lesson learned: don't buy random zigbee devices assuming they're supported 🥲

mellow geode
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With what devices are you having issues?

barren snow
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I was looking for plain 2-button "scene runner" and this was the best looking one.... so I just bough it assuming it will be supported.... or assuming I will just add support if needed 😄

red cedar
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Hi folks, I’m looking for a contact sensor that’s about the size of the Aqara sensors that I can use with a zigbee hub. Right now I’ve got Aqara contact sensors, but I want to replace them for something not tied to some cloud hub.

I have put two of them outside inside of a small weatherproof box/case thing to use with my fences, so I’m looking for something equally discrete and that can be used in a similar fashion (specifically in a weatherized case). I think I may have found one:

https://www.amazon.com/Contact-Sensors-Automation-Notifications-Assistant/dp/B0CJ4Q59PM/

To put in this outdoors:

https://www.amazon.com/YXQ-55x35x15mm-Waterproof-Electric-Junction/dp/B0725BDJ25/

But open to recommendations. Indoor I’m not as concerned about size or what not, but I’d probably just buy all the same make/model. Any suggestions for those that have done something similar?

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An alternative would be to somehow use the Aqara sensors with a local, non-Aqara hub if possible.

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Also looking for a water leak sensor, but one thing at a time

barren snow
red cedar
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Yes, but they require the Aqara hub. I want to eliminate the Aqara hub and phoning home to Aqara from the picture

barren snow
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they do not require aqara hub - you can pair them with HA

red cedar
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With any zigbee “hub” that’s also attached to HA you mean?

barren snow
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yeah, most people use some form of USB controller. You can use a standalone zigbee gateway/hub with wifi/ethernet too, but I personally opt for USB one to decrease number of points where stuff can fail 😉

red cedar
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Oh nice… I imagine the Aqara motion sensor and Aqara flood sensors fall into the same boat then?

barren snow
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With zigbee most devices will work with open-source hubs; propritary/vendor-specific ones usually only support that vendor's devices or whitelist a small number of 3rd party ones. The only catch is not everything in zigbee world is stable and devices can use many different parameters. This is why buying random untested zigbee device may backfire 😉

That being said, buying from bigger brands, like Aqara/Xiaomi in your case, usually leads to good results.

barren snow
robust ore
robust ore
sour shadow
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You need routers, just a coordinator only works for a single room

barren snow
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(coordinator - the main connection point/manager of your network; always just 1)
(router - pretty much repeater; most wall-powered devices serve as routers; can/should be multiple)
(end device - a device that isn't a router)

quasi torrent
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Hello, I am looking for help to correctly integrate an alarm remote control with zha (LDSENK09) the automatic recognition does not seem to work well, I think I need a quirck but I don't know not how to do it.

ember night
tepid gorge
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im looking at buying a termostat for the floor heating that runs zigbee, however it does not show amoung the supported devices on zigbee2mqtt.io. Does it mean that I will not be able to integrate it at all?

sour shadow
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Not at all

tepid gorge
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Awesome!

tepid gorge
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what is the zigbee home initative?

red gate
#

Hello everyone,

What is the best USB dongle to buy to work with Aqara and non-Aqara devices?

Thank you

rapid dawnBOT
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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

sour shadow
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Slightly outdated, but still basically correct

red gate
rapid dawnBOT
#

@red gate When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

sour shadow
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Depends, ZHA or Z2M?

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For Z2M... see the bot message 😉

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For ZHA... also see the bot message, but any current gen (non-Sonoff) EZSP stick will be fine

red gate
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No idea, what's the difference?

rapid dawnBOT
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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options including the CC2652 based sticks. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

sour shadow
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The bot message is outdated now - Z2M supports any device as of 1.35

red gate
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So, any zha dongle basically?

sour shadow
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Well, yes, mostly

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Not an old one, not Sonoff, and not really ConBee/RaspBee

tepid gorge
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What about Sky connect (for use with zigbee2mqtt)

sour shadow
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No

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For ZHA sure, not for Z2M... that's why it's not in the recommended list there 😉

tepid gorge
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is it possible in the z2m gui to see which Sonoff device im running? I was not aware that there was 2 different versions when I bought it and the order confirmation does not reveal which one I have

sour shadow
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Sort of, look at the coordinator details

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Coordinator type zStack3x0
That's P

tepid gorge
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then its a P 🙂

honest anvil
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Hmm. Just set up a bunch of Hue GU10 bulbs. They're all the same type, yet 3 of them are showing up in HA with RGB controls. Obviously, colour changing doesn't work :) Can I convince HA that given bulb is just adjustable temperature W?

raven jewel
rustic lynx
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I've got a woox smart plug with tasmota installed. I've been able to connect it to my broker and can see it in Home Assistant. Works great but I have a Hue Button that supports binding. Is there anyway for me to bind from zigbee2Mqtt to a tasmota Matt device?

honest anvil
raven jewel
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Which Zigbee integration are you using?

raven jewel
austere patio
tropic depot
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And if others were added of the same type (same manufacturer / model) please supply a diagnostic file for one of the ones without the controls too

versed talon
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Hey folks, I'm very new to HA and just recently got my server up and running and I'm starting to get my integrations set up. I currently have the OG Philips Hue Hub with 9 Hue lights, which I think are the only Zigbee devices I own. I'm looking to set up temperature sensors throughout the house. I wanted to inquire if the Philips devices will also serve as routers for the temperature sensors as long as I buy ones that are Zigbee compliant?

robust ore
ashen bluff
robust ore
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It works on every single zigbee device. Except it fails on 1-2 philips hue sensors. What am i missing?

ashen bluff
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Do you use ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT?

robust ore
tropic depot
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What sensors?

ashen bluff
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I don't use ZHA nor philips devices so take this with some salt but I've heard ZHA doesn't support green power yet and some philips devices use it? Might be related to that.

tropic depot
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Green power support is in the works but that is correct. ATM we do not support ZGP

robust ore
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SML001
by Philips

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Okay. So when the device goes deep idle zha isnt able to wake up the device again?

tropic depot
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Those aren’t ZGP

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There is a long discussion you can read here

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So that you understand what the ramifications are

robust ore
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The funny thing is that i have 4 sensors like this. And only 1 get unavailable after 4 hours.
The others works normal. It is only philips hue. When i use hue bridge everything works superfine. I have just ditched hue bridge and used sonoff for 2 weeks and i see this issue

tropic depot
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You can’t compare vendor hubs to integrations… the software is completely different

robust ore
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Have a suggestion to replacement device instead of philipshue ones?

tropic depot
robust ore
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i will read. If it gets to hard i switch to another product either in zwave or zigbee 😄 Thanks for answer

robust ore
tropic depot
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My opinion on this is that the security impact it negligible

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That is MY opinion though

robust ore
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Very thankful for response on this. The devices are quite old. I could see if i can get hold on SLM003 in the future.

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This will probably be the same for rwl021 remotes from hue as well i guess

mellow geode
left walrus
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Hey folks- hoping someone might point me in the right direction. I have two Kwikset zigbee deadbolts and they both have stopped responding to lock / unlock commands as of this morning. I am using Zigbee2MQTT and both locks appear to be visible to my system. I am using a TubesZB to act as the coordinator (I think that's the right term) between Home assistant and the zigbee locks.

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If I go to "log" and show "error" or "warning" there are no entries of that type..

dry arch
languid sky
molten linden
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sometimes you can find listings when looking for aqara E1 and T1 for the 3.0 stuff

dry arch
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That looks like a good one. I found one post that outlined what each model number means, which makes it easier to search for it.

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"11LM is the original version that runs zigbee 1.2 only

12LM is the T1 iteration that runs zigbee 3.0 similar to all the newer releases

13LM is the P1 version that looks different (like a cigar) and uses a different battery to allow for five year cycles between battery changes

14LM is the E1 revision of the original (which is also the one that runs into region locking and may only pair on specific region hubs)"

dry arch
molten linden
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E1 is just easier to find, it's 3.0 too

dry arch
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E1 works just as good with HA?

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I have a Green and will be getting a SkyConnect

molten linden
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the region lock was bypassed in the zstack fw and in the library libs for efr32

hollow locust
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Hi all, I have a Silabs Multiprotocol and trying to debug why Z2MQTT is not working properly... are there any tips on how to get the debug info from Zigbeed?

austere patio
barren snow
molten linden
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The first gen ones come with all the caveats of aqara and non compliant behavior with routers. See the pins

barren snow
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I just ordered 5 of the 11LM as they are reviewed very favorably in terms of battery and reliability... damn 🥲

molten linden
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Just make sure you have routers that tolerate them and join them through one that near them

barren snow
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I have some main's IKEA devices [which seem to be compatible] and IIRC Inovelli switches communicate without an issue with curtain drivers, so fingers crossed.

tall wyvern
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was looking at some track lighting online and it offers zigbee but it's tuya. another option is 2.4ghz wifi. is tuya that bad that i should give wifi access to this track lighting?

mellow geode
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I think Philips Hue also has (Zigbee) track lighting, heh. But it's more on the expensive side

hollow locust
tall wyvern
austere patio
# hollow locust I have been... I have Z2M logs coming out of places that are NSFW. I need to s...

There aren't really any logs for Zigbeed itself from what I recall. You can enable CPC debug logging in the addon, which will show you traffic, but that's very verbose. The reason I mention Z2M is because its support for EZSP is poor at the moment and the only issues I'm aware of with ZHA + multiprotocol are resolved by restarting the addon (which will happen automatically once the firmware resets after a crash).

hollow locust
austere patio
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The addon will be downgraded to the last stable version pretty soon.

brave nacelle
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hey folks - would anyone have a lead or idea on why after a year, a centralite thermostat would suddenly become "unavailable"?

bold nymph
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Hello, I need help with my extremely unstable Zigbee network.

My HA instance is very simple and it literally has one automation and one type of Zigbee device (8 MOES Zigbee IR remotes) hooked to HA via Sonoff ZBDongle-E on channel 25, and it just has to turn ON and Off the 8 ACs multiple times a day. Nothing more.

Yet it fail at doing this simple task, sometimes all the IR remotes receives the command and turn On/Off the ACs, sometimes only 2-5 remotes work, and sometimes non. The only fix that works (most if the time) is to restart Z2M, then all of the IR remotes work. So I made another automation to restart Z2M everyday, which worked for a period of time then back bad as usual, now even after restarting, does work as before.

I tried changing the Zigbee channel, Changing the batteries, trying different IR remotes and still nothing.

What is driving me crazy is the fact that I don’t know what’s the cause of the issue, I just updated HA and restarted the server, and everything works great (8 out of 8 remotes work), and I assure that a couple of hours from now not all 8 will work. Why is that? Why a restart fixes the issue 60-80% of the time? And why do I have to restart it in the first place ?

And sometimes it works, but there is a long delay, like 10-20 seconds between me pressing Off, and the ACs turning off via the IR remotes
And there is no noticeable pattern in the devices not working, it’s not like the far devices fail, and the close devices to the coordinator work. No, sometimes the close devices fail, and the far ones still work. it’s quite random

molten linden
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Zigbee is best when there are routing/repeating devices on the network so it creates a mesh. Also interference can definitely play a roll.

bold nymph
sour shadow
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You have no 2.4 GHz WiFi, no Bluetooth, no other 2.4 GHz sources anywhere near you?

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Lots of things use the 2.4 GHz band as it's unlicensed

bold nymph
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nothing in that area, the router and the HA server in another room

sour shadow
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Signals do travel you know 😉

bold nymph
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there is a 5m usb for the coordinator 2 extension cable running from the closed room to the other large one

sour shadow
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Also interference can be by the HA server, or even from the HA server

bold nymph
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that's why i'm using the 5m extension

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I tried almost everything

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maybe the only thing left is to try ZHA instead of Z2M, but I think it wouldn't make a diffrence

sour shadow
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It won't

bold nymph
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yea, that's why I didn't want to waste time for nothing

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what would you do if you faced this issue?

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maybe I skipped a crucial step in my troubleshooting

sour shadow
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Add routers

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Actually check for interference

bold nymph
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using a wifi analyzer?

sour shadow
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That's a crude tool good for checking for WiFi only

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ZHA's diagnostics can help a little, but a proper spectrum analyser would be useful

bold nymph
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well, I can't justify getting spectrum analyzer at the moment, but what I can tell you with 90% certainty that it shouldn't be interference (I might not know better) but I'm saying that because, The large empty hall has no APs or anything that may interfere with the zigbee network, the wifi router is cheap and short ranged and is located in another room alongside the server which is a laptop. The whole building is just the hall and the small utility room and is not surrounded by any houses or buildings in a 20-30m distance

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I'm not good at explaining since English isn't my first language but I hope you get what I mean (pictures would've been easier)

rapid dawnBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

sour shadow
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And there's no wireless microphones?

bold nymph
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only wired mics and security cameras

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and from what I know, zigbee can travel up to 100m if it didn't face interference

bold nymph
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Soo, any help?

sour shadow
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Add routers

bold nymph
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I tried adding one a while back, didn't help. But sure I'll try again

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any other things you might try if the routers doesn't make a difference?

sour shadow
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Well, depends on what you added, and only one router doesn't really count

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Routers is plural 😉

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Don't add Sonoff or Osram - do add Innr or dedicated CC2652 based routers

bold nymph
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I only have smart plugs/sockets

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can't do light switches since there's no neutral

sour shadow
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Innr do smart plugs 😉

bold nymph
bold nymph
sour shadow
bold nymph
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are dedicated CC2652 based routers better than the routers in the bulbs, plugs, etc?

sour shadow
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As others have said, this is a mesh network

sour shadow
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Also, adding routers won't necessarily mean devices use them, you may need to re-pair them through that router

bold nymph
bold nymph
bold nymph
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like the Aqara door sensor remains "open" even after closing the door, and I have to press the button to refresh it

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it's like when the door closes, and the sensor sends the signal, it doesn't reach the server. even though it never gets stuck on "closed"

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any way. I'll try adding routers. thanks for now

tropic depot
proven pelican
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Is it possible to take my Hue bulbs and migrate them to my Zigbee installation? Eliminating the hue hub entirely?

main ruin
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Yes

proven pelican
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hmmm that's interesting...

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are there any downsides to doing that?

sour shadow
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No

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Well, you lose things like Hue sync and their music mode, but that's really it

main ruin
#

I am actually kinda surprised this isn't locked down more. I could totally see tuya stuff lowering the max brightness when not connected to a tuya cloud hub

proven pelican
#

thanks for the info guys 🙂

jagged estuary
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Hi, I'm using IKEA Tradfri light bulbs, but when I tap the button on the dashboard it says that the light is at 100%, but it seems like it's as low as it could be. Happens on desktop, mobile etc. But when I use the Tradfri control thingy that's linked through HA, it works. Any ideas?

idle moth
#

zigbee2mqtt question
so i bought a device with no support after trying multiple hours i seem to have near full support however how do i now add this to the next release?
device is beok controls 16 wall thermostat.
Beok controls is not a vendor in the zigbee-herdsman converters vendor list (it is however using tuya) do i add it to tuya?
and even then how do i do that? download the libary add my image and my code to the tuya.ts file and do a pull request? im too new to github and dont want to make a mistake here if someone would like to help me that would be great
added a discussion thread on github: https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/discussions/20986

frigid sky
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hello

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Does anyone know how to troubleshoot the "NWK conflict" errors? I've been having issues with lights rejoining the network and flashing off and on at 1230am, which is not appreciated by others. I think it might be a rogue router device but I'd like to figure out what is actually happening.

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Example:

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2024-01-24 09:19:29.014 WARNING (MainThread) [bellows.zigbee.application] Found f0:d1:b8:00:00:02:d1:88 device for 0x9996 NWK conflict: LEDVANCE RT TW```
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When I look at the ZHA network card, I don't see any duplicate NWK addresses. I wonder if there is a way to ignore the NWK conflict error and not have the coordinator send a re-pairing command? Maybe just to see if the device is actually not in conflict and the NWK conflict error itself is the problem?

austere patio
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NWK conflicts have to be resolved and they are on the firmware level. You're just receiving a notification that it happened. If you don't want the light to flash when it re-joins, disable "Enable identify effect when devices join the network" in the ZHA config

frigid sky
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please help me find that config.

mellow geode
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Settings -> Integrations -> ZHA -> ZHA: Configure -> "Enable identify effect"

frigid sky
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holy jeepers I hope that works

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last night my partner decided to turn off the lights that were blinking and my whole zigbee mesh imploded. Had to reboot HA and reconnect so many lights

austere patio
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You shouldn't be getting the NWK conflicts to begin with so disabling the blinking may only solve the visible problem but not the underlying one

frigid sky
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I understand that an actual NWK conflict would have to be resolved, but what if it's a rogue router that is generating that conflict because it is a crap device?

austere patio
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These are unfortunately hard to track, you have to sniff the Zigbee traffic with another device (e.g. a second Zigbee stick)

frigid sky
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I mean, what if the device is fine and sending commands to the NWK address is fine, but some router is sending incorrect information to the coordinator and generating the NWK conflict error

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I do happen to have an extra zigbee stick...

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is there a sniffing guide?

austere patio
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If you have a Mac or Linux computer to plug it into, you can pipe traffic straight into Wireshark: pip install bellows; bellows --baudrate 115200 -d /dev/... dump -c "your zigbee network channel" -w /dev/stdout | wireshark -k -S -i -

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For Windows, you will have to generate the traffic dump with -w traffic.pcap and then analyze it after it's written, not in realtime (or use the Java utility that lets you do that)

frigid sky
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not to be daft, but where is the info about the "Global options"?

austere patio
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Do you see the ZHA network settings page?

frigid sky
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i don't find it on the /integrations/zha page

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yes

austere patio
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Where it shows you your channel number, PAN ID, etc.?

frigid sky
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I mean I don't find it on https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/

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I have clicked the checkbox on my own ZHA integration page to disable identify effect but I'm curious about the other check boxes

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enable enhanced light color/temperature transition?

mellow geode
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Eh, I wouldn't play around with them for now. I think that one could even be removed.
It's a workaround to fix an issue when you turn on a light (from a service call) with a color (from an off-state) and also provide a transition.

frigid sky
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I will never not be annoyed that on/off and color temperature are 2 separate commands in zigbee

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I just want to turn on a light to a given brightness and level without sending two commands and overloading the mesh with multicast

austere patio
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That would be something handled by Zigbee scenes

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Or just avoid multicast

frigid sky
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I use circadian lighting so around sunrise and sunset I'm constantly changing the color temp and brightness.

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I suppose I could limit myself to maybe 10 color temp and brightness combinations stored in scenes

austere patio
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Or send the updates very infrequently and use a long transition time

frigid sky
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can I call a scene with a transition time?

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interesting

echo kite
austere patio
jagged estuary
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Hi, I'm using IKEA Tradfri light bulbs, but when I tap the button on the dashboard it says that the light is at 100%, but it seems like it's as low as it could be. Happens on desktop, mobile etc. But when I use the Tradfri control thingy that's linked through HA, it works. Any ideas? Please ping on response

mellow geode
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Which integration are you using for the Tradfri bulbs? (Hue, Tradfri, ZHA, Z2M, deCONZ)

kind island
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I seem to be having issues with my SkyConnect. Both my thread and zigbee devices go offline/out of communication shortly after I reboot the rPi the HA install is. I am using the SkyConnect with multiprotocol & OTBR.

Is this an appropriate channel to chat about this in?

sour shadow
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ZHA or Z2M?

kind island
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ZHA

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Of course now I see another Multiprotocol update in here now - 2.4.4

sour shadow
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Well, that at least works with multi-protocol, even if the use of multi-protocol is strongly discouraged

kind island
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Yeah i know its in beta and all that

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I expected problems or flakeyness, but not outright everything bed shits haha

sour shadow
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Well, more that it's quite unreliable and likely to ... as you say .. shit the bed

kind island
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Yea - cant be forever though, right? Was sold to do this eventually.

sour shadow
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Eventually, sure, but for now...

kind island
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I dont mind tinkering with beta stuff - I just wasnt sure where the best place to talk about using it was

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since its intentionally straddling. No dedicated channel.

sour shadow
kind island
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I dont wanna bug folks in the wrong place

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well ok then!
I didnt notice the zigbee devices also dropping as I only have a couple and may end up not using zigbee at all. Not sure.

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Started a few weeks ago - also lost the ability to commission new #thread-archived devices.

sour shadow
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Best thing to do for now is abandon multi-protocol and use Google/Apple for #thread-archived

kind island
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If I had the hardware or was willing to use thos, I would gladly

sour shadow
kind island
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So, for the zigbee devices. Im hearing "if you are using multiprotocol, dont". Which is kinda what I expected from a place not dedicated to the SkyConnect

sour shadow
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Well, the devs are now actively discouraging multi-protocol

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When the people behind it are saying not to use it... seems wise to listen

jagged estuary
dusk cypress
#

Does anybody have any idea if it's possible to "stabilize" an Aqara Motion Sensor (not P1)?

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Mine keeps disconnecting from my Zigbee coordinator and I can't get it online again unless I re-pair it

raven jewel
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Have you tried pairing it through another router device instead of directly to the co-ordinator? E.g. a smart plug/switch

mellow geode
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Yeah. It might be a known issue if it’s directly connected to a TI coordinator

red cedar
mellow geode
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Both ZHA (Zigbee integration in HA) and Zigbee2MQTT support most Aqara (Zigbee) devices. The SkyConnect currently works better with ZHA.
It depends on the integrations which devices are supported, but yeah. It should be fine.

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Z2M probably supports more "obscure" Aqara devices where support is not yet added to ZHA.

red cedar
#

Ok thank you. 🙏

Separate question (googled it, just confirming here): with that dongle would I be able to get rid of my hue bridge and control my hue lights and switches directly from HA?

mellow geode
#

Do you have any Hue switches (or Friends of Hue switches) that don't have batteries? So, like "energy-harvesting" devices like the old Hue Tap

red cedar
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Yeah I have a hue tap and their gen 1 4 button switches

mellow geode
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The old Hue tap with three buttons or the new one with 4 buttons and a wheel?

red cedar
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Old tap with 4 total buttons.

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No wheel on it though

barren snow
mellow geode
mellow geode
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The Hue lights will work with both ZHA and Z2M, but you'll loose the "Hue entertainment" feature, the Hue app, and so on.

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Oh, and the new gradient stuff isn't implemented in ZHA. Not sure about Z2M.

red cedar
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Hue entertainment is the thing that syncs lights to your TV?

mellow geode
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Yeah, I think that's what it's called at least

barren snow
mellow geode
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Hmm. Both ZHA and Z2M support "transitions". But if you want to use that with a remote, you'll send a command every half a second or so when the button is pressed.

How is the current behavior in Z2M different?

barren snow
red cedar
#

Have a good buy link for the sonoff P dongle? Ameridroid has the E not P. Amazon seems to only have the E also

barren snow
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you want the P version.

mellow geode
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Sonoff-E is more similar to the SkyConnect, with SiliconLabs/EZSP and not TI/Z-Stack. But that's still experimental for Z2M.

red cedar
barren snow
red cedar
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Yeah, I’m trying to find a good place to buy the P. Ameridroid only appears to have the E

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Heh, perfect

mellow geode
barren snow
mellow geode
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You can also do that with a ZHA service call, but it's circumventing HA logic a bit.
homeassistant.update_entity can be called afterwards to poll the entity if it doesn't send attribute reports (or if those are ignored because ZHA thinks there's a transition going on. In that case, the call needs to be delayed by transition time + 25 ms (so likely by like 1.25s))

barren snow
mellow geode
barren snow
mellow geode
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If light.turn_on is called for a ZHA light, it'll ignore any attribute reports coming from that light for transition time + 0.25 seconds to prevent the brightness slider bouncing around in the UI. Calls to poll the light during that transition period are also ignored.
HA only knows about the target brightness.

However, if you suddenly skip the HA layer and directly send commands to the device, ZHA won't know about that.

barren snow
mellow geode
barren snow
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but hmm.... also.... wouldn't ignoring report from device make final state wrong when you e.g. use a zigbee bound switch to stop the transition mid-way?

mellow geode
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Yes, as you're circumventing the HA layer at that point. ZHA will eventually poll the light (45 to 75 minutes) though

barren snow
mellow geode
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I'm pretty sure I haven't seen a single issue about this use-case (other than the somewhat related issue you linked)

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It's only an issue if the transition is started with a light.turn_on call, but then stopped directly using a ZCL command.

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IIRC Z2M works around some of these issues by explicitly listening to what a group-bound dimmer sends.
ZHA/zigpy doesn't keep track of bindings though, so we couldn't do that yet.