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thorn kelp
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zha vs z2m is the least of your concerns.... You've built a zigbee rube-goldberg machine

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as you increase your complexity you also increase your failure points

grim igloo
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more like a crackhead den with toothbrushes hanging from the ceiling

wind marsh
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I like crack

grim igloo
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just throwing more interference into the mix is going to harm existing hue too - especially if you dont choose zigbee channels accordingly

thorn kelp
wind marsh
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How do I know if I have interference?

grim igloo
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we havent confirmed whether he lives dangerously with 40mhz band width on 2.4ghz too

thorn kelp
grim igloo
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also look at each hue bridge and see what channels they are on..

wind marsh
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I'm in London so I have 11 🙂

grim igloo
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11 what

violet dagger
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is that a requirement in London?

grim igloo
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anything under 10 is so glasgow

violet dagger
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that's why i prefer Liverpool

thorn kelp
grim igloo
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ya it just like.. didnt really make sense the way he phrased it and didnt reply to you

thorn kelp
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in which case, safe to say there's probable interference given that and his 4 networks

grim igloo
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for shizzle

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so just to be clear @wind marsh you understand that the ideal scenario is to use a zigbee coordinator on the lowest interference channel, pair ALL hue devices to it, and remove the hue bridges completely. - Instead, you want to add another zigbee mesh using smart plugs you dont need to extend the mesh to another area, correct?

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and that makes sense to you?

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and just to tie it in a nice bow.. you're making future you have to redo so much more shit as you slowly transition to using home assistant more and realize that what i said above is accurate.

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also, you dont need to buy "friends of hue" bullshit, instead you buy the best zigbee devices you want and add them to your mesh regardless of what the box says.

wind marsh
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It's worse than that, I just wanted to use Ikea buttons 🙂

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Because I like them

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Sorry to ruin your day

peak jasper
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Is there any definitive document about moving lights from Hue hub to ZHA? I've only seen a lot of "this worked for me, yymv". My lights on the Hue hub are in the soffit outside the house, so not easily accessible.

grim igloo
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well

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you delete a device from the hue app, it goes into pairing mode, then you pair it to a zigbee coordinator

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whether it works well or not is up to you

thorn kelp
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you're building a needlessly complex network that will result in problems.

peak jasper
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I don't understand the "is up to you" part. Unless you mean "it might work, or not"

grim igloo
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it's not complex.. it's more like buying three bikes instead of a motorcycle

thorn kelp
wind marsh
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I appreciate it. You guys clearly know more than I do but this is where I am and I can't go back in time.

grim igloo
thorn kelp
wind marsh
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I have a finite amount of time to work on HA so I prioritize what is broken and what I need.

thorn kelp
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you will spend a greater amount of time dicking around with this solution vs just blowing it up and doing it right

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trust me, as someone who's spent far too much time dicking around with bad solutions

grim igloo
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cough and continues to cough

wind marsh
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I'll take that in mind. I'll probably just shelve SkyConnect until I have time to migrate everything.

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But that day is not today 🙂

grim igloo
# peak jasper I don't understand the "is up to you" part. Unless you mean "it might work, or n...

i'll expand. if you follow these steps you will have a solid zigbee mesh with your hue devices sans hue bridge.

  1. buy cc2652p based coordinator if chosen to use z2m, or efr32 if chosen to use zha. possibly even a PoE coordinator such as tube's
  2. place the coordinator centrally located, which is why the PoE ones are nice, and make sure to use a USB extension cable if you buy a usb coordinator. you will also want to escape a network rack, and get away from access points and SSDs.
  3. scan zigbee channels prior to adding any devices
  4. move 2.4ghz wifi AP channels to channels that arent interfering with zigbee, if needed
  5. add devices starting closest to your new coordinator
wind marsh
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Why a cc2652p coordinator over SkyConnect?

thorn kelp
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caveat to #3: While you can do this, you of course have no control over neighbouring APs in your airspace so YMMW

thorn kelp
grim igloo
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proven stable hardware chipset and firmware and z2m stable does not support efr32

violet dagger
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skyconnect is a mixed bag with z2m

wind marsh
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Z2M is an alternative to ZHA?

thorn kelp
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yes

grim igloo
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it is preferred by a lot of us here

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more than anything it's just personal preference but there are some 'benefits' in my opinion

violet dagger
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but it uses the dreaded MQTT

wind marsh
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I'm only using it for ESPresense and no problems so far

sour shadow
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Thaht's sarcasm 😉

grim igloo
violet dagger
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no, people actually dread those 4 letters

sour shadow
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MQTT ... that really lightweight low overhead protocol that brings toasters to their knees

grim igloo
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#zigbee-archived message btw tinkerer can you edit this pin since network key/pan_id/ext_pan_id are all now randomly generated?

wind marsh
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Are all you guys developers?

violet dagger
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something something, another failure point, something something, network congestion, etc

grim igloo
violet dagger
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i'm an accountant

grim igloo
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that explains.. a lot

violet dagger
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yes, thats why i know about taxes

wind marsh
tacit ingot
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wait wait wait - whats wrong with mqtt? lol

grim igloo
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you wish gramps

violet dagger
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main recommendation for using esphome or ZHA is "you don't need to run an mqtt server"

tacit ingot
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ohhh lol, i guess i read it wrong

violet dagger
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something must be wrong but i didn't get that memo

tacit ingot
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I prefer Z2M as well 😛

sour shadow
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People that find MQTT hard are likely to run into other problems with the simple stuff

tacit ingot
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ahhh i get it now! haha, i was like wait a second.... ha!

violet dagger
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i don't like esphome just because it doesn't work well with mqtt 😄

wind marsh
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ZHA vs Z2M, is it using different technologies or just different versions of the same thing?

sour shadow
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Different approaches to the same thing

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Like HA vs OpenHAB

tacit ingot
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mosquitto is one of the most stable things in my homelab, lol

thorn kelp
wind marsh
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Haha, good example

violet dagger
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perfect analogy

thorn kelp
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PS - Can someone have a look under my car before I use it next?

peak jasper
grim igloo
jolly hollow
sour shadow
grim igloo
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fair

sour shadow
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15,20, and 25 are at least clear of WiFi on 1/6/11

blissful whale
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Running HA on a VM inside my NAS. It seems like every so often after an upgrade, my zigbee stick (attached via a usb hub) fails to connect back up to HA. I know the hub is working because my zwave stick works fine. In my VM I see both USB interfaces, but I don't see it in Home Assistant. I've tried rebooting HA/VM and unplugging the USB multiple times. Is there a command on the HA command line that I can see what USB interfaces it's seeing to see if I can manually configure this stick within the Zigbee Serial Port Settings?

grim igloo
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Gotta use dev/by-Id probably

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Z2m?

blissful whale
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ZHA

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Anyway I can see the path from within HA?

violet dagger
jolly hollow
# violet dagger because its Tuya and there's no quirk for your device

I have heard of Tuya and issues so I'd be inclined to believe that, however I did have it connected and working previously, then I had it unplugged for weeks and had to reconnect it to the coordinator. I guess that means the answer is just keep removing and reconnecting until everything is available again?

blissful whale
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Hmm scratch that. I see some documentaiton pointing to where i would see it in HA.. but the issue I guess is that I don't actually see it within HA.

mellow geode
violet dagger
blissful whale
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I tried to reconfigure, but I don't see the device listed. Which, I do see it on my VM side of the house.

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it's almost like HA isn't seeing that I have something connected to that USB port

mellow geode
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What hypervisor are you running?

blissful whale
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Any advice on what channel to ask in?

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synology VM

mellow geode
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Does the device show under "Settings -> System -> Hardware -> all hardware"?

blissful whale
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negative.

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I think i'll try to kick over my nas.

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Perhaps something wonky there.

wind marsh
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Can you try changing the USB passthrough controller type in your hypervisor?

blissful whale
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I don't think so. It's actually kind of frustrating in my hypervisor because both sticks show up as the same name usb device.. sort of strange, but that's how it's always been.

thorn kelp
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If I want to migrate back to my old Zigbee radio, are there any other steps i need to take given that I did the Clone IEEE address thing when migrating to the SkyConnect? I'm giving up on this, it's just broken so I want to move back to my Sonoff coordinator.

wind marsh
jolly hollow
thorn kelp
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Migrated back to my Sonoff stick. All my zigbee shit works, instant response. no delivery_failed messages. SkyConnect isn't ready for primetime it seems

blissful whale
mellow geode
thorn kelp
mellow geode
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Did you grab diagnostic information when using SkyConnect? (it contains channel utilization amongst other things)

thorn kelp
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if you google "SkyConnect <EmberStatus.DELIVERY_FAILED: 102>" there's a pile of results with people having the same issue. it's not universal, but it's certainly common enough.

mellow geode
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Yeah, it means that the stick couldn't send the message (or rather that it didn't arrive). It's a generic error.

thorn kelp
mellow geode
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SkyConnect was plugged into a USB extension?

thorn kelp
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yeah

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i did all the idiot checks

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given that the issue appeard when i moved to SC, went away immediately after migrating back... stands to reason that the issue is SC and not my environment

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but ofc i could be missing info

mellow geode
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Unless your SkyConnect is broken in a weird way, it's likely not the stick itself.

thorn kelp
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stick or sw controlling the stick.

mellow geode
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Did no devices respond when you sent commands from HA?

thorn kelp
mellow geode
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And you migrated back to a CC2652 based Sonoff stick, right?

thorn kelp
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2652p

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yes

mellow geode
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There were some changes recently, so this might be outdated info, but I think zigpy-znp (lib for TI/CC2652) uses more aggressive retrying to send messages multiple times if they're not delivered successfully at first. That can sometimes hide network issues.
But maybe that wasn't your issue. Did you try power-cycling the affected devices?

thorn kelp
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regardless of how the experience is achieved, the experience is night-and-day better on the sonoff

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i'll hang on to the SC and maybe try it again sometime in the future. for now, for me, this isn't the solution.

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extremely disappointing but for something that controls my house stability/reliability is paramount.

blissful whale
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FYI - Incase it ever comes up again, I ended up just doing mass upgrades on my VM and it rebooted itself, and now my zigbee stick is recognized in HA... so either the reboot of the nas fixed it or some upgrade was breaking it.

austere patio
thorn kelp
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the ones next to me were connected directly to the SC

thorn kelp
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If it weren't for the 2-5x price difference on devices i'd go 100% zwave. Zigbee for me is saving money by sacrificing sanity.

dusk meteor
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Hi, new member to the discord group and new to Home Assistant, not a developer either... I purchased a Home Assistant Yellow, because it has everything I think I need to get going including ZHA, as I really want to deploy sockets in the wall to monitor power usage and control devices (on & off) I also want to lock the switch in a position (prevent tamper by children).

I did some research and purchased some Aurora double sockets "DoubleSocket50AU" so far so good, I have paired the device and can operate, but some capabilities are missing, like light control, locking the switch.

So I thought I would try Z2M but I am having massive problems getting that working. Is there anyone willing to help a newbie get this sorted and educate me in how to troubleshoot these things.

Facebook group said try quirks, but google doesnt really hlp me find a solution.

grim igloo
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yellow uses an efr32 zigbee chipset you do not want to use that with z2m

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just stop while you're ahead and use zha or buy a cc2562p coordinator if you want to use z2m

dusk meteor
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happy to stay with ZHA, if I can get the functionality sorted. But no idea how to either fix myself or find a work around. I saw articles and posts where people mentioning they got it working I guess outsid eof Z2M

gentle patrol
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can anyone help me with skyconnect support and actually getting the integration working?

grim igloo
dusk meteor
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It has basic ZHA support. I can control device on and off

rapid dawnBOT
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@gentle patrol Don't ask to ask, just ask your question. Then people can answer when they're around.

When you do ask a question, try to provide as much background detail as possible. Ask yourself these questions first so that others don't have to:

  1. What version of the Home Assistant are you running? (remember, last isn't a version)
  2. What exactly are you trying to do that won't work?
  3. Is the problem uniform or erratic?
  4. What's the exact error message?
  5. When did it arise?
  6. What exactly don't you "get"?
  7. Can you share sample code, ideally with line errors where the error occurs?
mellow geode
dusk meteor
gentle patrol
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Just gonna throw it out there....Have Skyconnect And I am replacing my zwave/zigbee HUBZB1 stick ( I have deleted zigbee and I am starting from scratch) When I hook up the skyconnect I get NO auto add zigbee device..I can manually add zigbee and see the dev/tty/USB2-CP2102n usb to uart bridge controller s/n.... when I select that it gives me a error that says firmware is wrpng and cannoot be used with ZHA until the correct firmware is installed. a repair has been created...

dusk meteor
gentle patrol
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I click on the repair and it says my zigbee radio was previously used with multiprotocol (Zigbee and Thread) and still has multiprotcl firmware installed to run your radio exclusively with ZHA, you need to install ZIGBEE firmware...but I do want the Zigbee and thread running I thought that was the whole point of this?

dusk meteor
thorn kelp
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Despite having routers everywhere my zigbee devices only want to pair when they're near to the coordinator. I can see in my topology that devices are connecting to non-coordinator router devices, but for pairing it seems to only want to connect to the coordinator.

mellow geode
median moss
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ZHA 2023.9.3: How do I delete 'controls' of a Zigbee configuration? I use a 'Silicon Labs EZSP' USB Zigbee Controller. In HA there are two 'Control Elements' (German: Steuerelemente) shown on top of the second column. (would like to post a screenshot) Each of these toggle-switches control two different Zigbee spot-lights. Two of them are in my bedroom, two in my livingroom. Bud sadly both are 'connected' to the same room. When I change the location to livingroom the control of the two bedroom spots change too. I don´t even need the control for the livingroom spots (or that these are connected to each other), but I don´t know how to delete it. These are not a groups - or not listed there. Where do I find this in the configuration files? Would like to fix it there.
These 'pairs of spots' do have a configuration page (via gear icon to the top right). There I can rename it and change its icon - and is a 'delete' link to the bottom left, but it is inactive. What kind of 'group' is this?

thorn kelp
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sounds like you've got a single device with multiple switches, but your switches control lights in 2 rooms?

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if that's the case, just create a group(via helper menu) and group the lights, effectively bypassing the issue of having a single device assigned to a given room/area

grim igloo
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reee use zigbee groups instead reee

thorn kelp
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definitely best practice to zigbee group if you've got a bunch

grim igloo
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yeah i still do it for 2 personally but it's technically causing extra traffic on the mesh each time i use the group

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if it ever becomes an issue i'll revisit the idea of only using for >3 or something

thorn kelp
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ugh y'know what... just so you'll break my balls a little bit less i'll reform some of my HA groups to Zig groups haha

grim igloo
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./giphy phrasing

dusk meteor
dusk meteor
mellow geode
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Are you sure the switch supports locking physical controls?

dusk meteor
dusk meteor
mellow geode
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The link for the SmartThings drivers would help in getting them supported

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Basically, we need to know which attriubtes (on which cluster + endpoint) are used for locking physical controls, as it's not a standard ZCL function.

dusk meteor
dusk meteor
dusk meteor
dusk meteor
dusk meteor
mellow geode
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If the Z2M page for the device mentions it, the hardware supports it (and could theoretically be implemented in ZHA as well)

dusk meteor
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Thanks I will keep digging and maybe order some click smart and ones as well, maybe see if I can achieve the desired result by automation

dusk meteor
violet dagger
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Welcome to smart home 🙂

grim igloo
mellow geode
dusk meteor
mellow geode
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You should be able to have "plug turned on" as a trigger. If that happens, just turn them off again.
The light/switch will flash briefly, but should turn it off quickly

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In a condition with HA, you could even check the context of the trigger to see if it was toggled through HA or "via the button press"

dusk meteor
mellow geode
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This is more #automations-archived territory, but you could just have an automation with two state triggers (to on, to off) (to ignore state change to "unavailable").
Then, add a template condition like {{ trigger.to_state.context.user_id == None }} or {{ trigger.to_state.context.parent_id != none }} (there's a difference when triggered via UI vs automation vs via plug button).
If user_id == None for example, turn on/off the switch again. (Depending on the trigger ID of the state trigger)

With that, you might even be able to put your schedule automation for night time into a different automation.
Although you probably want to check parent_id rather than user_id.
(Check out this for more info on automations IDs: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/work-with-triggered-by-in-automations/400352/8)

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Of course, this works around the issue of not being able to block the buttons on the plug. But maybe that's enough for your use-case and the kids will eventually stop trying to press the buttons

grim igloo
violet dagger
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A decent plug has child lock options 😉

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Simple on/off switch that can be used in HA

dusk meteor
dusk meteor
dusk meteor
dusk meteor
violet dagger
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I'll just leave this here to rub some salt into the wound

Screenshot_20230928-232446_Home_Assistant.png
dusk meteor
violet dagger
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it just came with the plug

dusk meteor
violet dagger
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its an EU standard 5$ tuya plug i found on aliexpress

dusk meteor
violet dagger
dusk meteor
violet dagger
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get an outlet then

grim igloo
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Using smart home shit instead of parenting just ain’t it

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Chief

dusk meteor
dusk meteor
grim igloo
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You can always troll them

dusk meteor
grim igloo
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Gain their respect the gen z way

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After 10 min of Xbox using >1mbps toggle lights in room and power cycle outlet

dusk meteor
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I think I will try the automation because I would like to get the power readings as well

dusk meteor
grim igloo
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It’s in the integration

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I forget what it’s called but you can toggle group settings or something

dusk meteor
grim igloo
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It’s in dotsvertical of UniFi integration

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Gotta enable it

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Plus configure the device in the controller

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It’s not hard

dusk meteor
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I told him what I was upto with an evil laugh, 🙂

grim igloo
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You will lose, have a good day kid, now go take out the trash

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A year ago a guy was in here making a dashboard for chores with points

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Gamifying it

dusk meteor
grim igloo
dusk meteor
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Also helps cut power as they leave it all on sleeping

grim igloo
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I still think you’re going about it the wrong way but I don’t get paid enough for psychoanalysis

dusk meteor
grim igloo
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Well depending on the level of severity the child should have even less access to the internet for their own safety

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I help a woman with tech stuff who has a child in her 30s with autism and about an 8 year old mentally. She loses no matter what she does 😭

keen merlin
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Are there any performance metrics avaiable from the Yellow built-in Zigbee controller? None are visible from the device GUI

austere patio
keen merlin
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Don't know specifically but anything that will let me know how well the network is working. The only thing I see is RSSI and LQI (whatever that is exactly) for devices that report that to the GUI. Not all do

half cradle
molten linden
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The ezsp counters give a bit of insight - you can see a snapshot if you pull the diagnostics file, or enable debug logging for bellows and you will get them as reported.

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^ @keen merlin

keen merlin
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bellows? ezsp counters?

molten linden
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bellows is the radio library for ezsp (silicon labs) radios used in sky connect and yellow

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Example:

keen merlin
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I dumped the logs for the controller and other than some LQI values is see nothing that looks like a performance metric ... how do i get to to bellows data and/or ezsp data?

molten linden
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Set bellows to debug logging… or you can just download the diagnostics file to see them

keen merlin
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So I add this to the config?
logger:
default: info
logs:
homeassistant.core: debug
homeassistant.components.zha: debug
bellows.zigbee.application: debug
bellows.ezsp: debug
zigpy: debug
zigpy_deconz.zigbee.application: debug
zigpy_deconz.api: debug
zigpy_xbee.zigbee.application: debug
zigpy_xbee.api: debug
zigpy_zigate: debug
zigpy_znp: debug
zhaquirks: debug

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What's the story on moving Hue bulbs to HA? Good Idea, or a headache?

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So I dumped the bellows diags now I need to get a PhD in Zigbee to figure out whay it means 🤣

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Previously I set my channel to 25 and that's still the channel with the lowest energy of 15, 20 and 25, In spite of the warning changed the channel from 15 to 15 and all the gizmos followed without complaint

molten linden
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You just need bellows.zigbee.application

keen merlin
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is that in HACS or ???

molten linden
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No it’s the one debug log to see the counters in the ha log

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I just turn it on and off via service call when I want to check them

keen merlin
# molten linden Pretty much 😂

Be nice if Zigbee wizard added some simple distillation of Zigbee stats to the Zigbee Controller page that indicated overall health the Z-Wave controller has nice stats

molten linden
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Not aware of any other radio type that does anything like the counters

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And zha supports 3 (4 if you count xbee) types of radios

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Or is it 5🤔

rapid dawnBOT
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@keen merlin I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
keen merlin
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Those stats give you a real easy to understand picture of the Z-wave network

jolly hollow
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Hey everone. I'm going crazy trying to repair this device:
https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Giderwel_C05Z.html
It was paird and working fine on Z2M, then it disconnected. Trying to repair it, it'll connect but only give me the option in HA to put it in DND mode but in Z2M it has all the options. That being said, sometimes the colours are wrong, sometimes they're not.

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Right now red is red, green is green and blue is dim red.

zealous meteor
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hey there,
is there anyone by chance that can help me with integrating my RaspBee 2 into my Homeassistent?
i allways get the error that the connection is not working during the setup assistant

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oh btw im running it on a Raspbarry Pi 3B+ with a POE Hat with GPIO passtrough

mossy osprey
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TuYa WSD500A's (Ts0201 _tz3000_xr3htd96)
Home Assistant 2023.9.3
Z2M 1.33.0-1
The TuYa device stops reporting after about 2 hours. Is there a way to tell it to not fall asleep? The 2 plugs I have don't fall asleep, only the temp/humidity sensor.

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Running HA OS 10.5 in VMware.

sour shadow
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Sadly not, but probably it fell off the mesh

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Did you pair it in place?

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Did you pair it to a nearby router, or just let it pick?

mossy osprey
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I pair it in place as well as with the nearby router.

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It stops responding after 2 hours, only feet from the router. Then it will start again in about 24 hours. Then after another 2 hours, it stops.

sour shadow
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Ah... "quality" Tuya strikes again

shadow iris
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So I partially did this to myself by going cheap, but I grabbed a OUVOPO Motion Sensor off Amazon, and I got it connected to my HASSIO instance using ZHA. The problem seems to be that once the sensor detects motion, it'll run the automation once, and then just get "stuck" detecting motion until you reset it by putting it in a drawer or another dark space. Any ideas how to fix/mitigate this? (It's a PIR based Motion Sensor).

mellow geode
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Make sure to fill-out the issue template

finite osprey
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I am still seeing these errors (was told an update had solved them):
Discarding _save_device_last_seen event
13:10:38 – (WARNING) runner.py - message first occurred at 09:25:14 and shows up 414162 times
Discarding _save_attribute event
13:10:38 – (WARNING) components/zha/core/cluster_handlers/init.py - message first occurred at 09:25:22 and shows up 36686 times

median moss
thorn kelp
median moss
arctic crane
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i want zigbee doorbell switch that receives 220v current form wired switch

charred trout
molten linden
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Any thing in logs?

charred trout
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No, I screw that, restarting ha seems to wipe the logs. There is very little and not relevant. I have to check what I can do to make logs rotate or persist after restart

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I kept one device, without re-pairing , if i give 'reconfigure' another go, will the report help?

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Could it be anything related to channel config being "auto" ? perhaps it moved to a different channel after detecting interference? Would manual work better if can tell my APs to avoid said channel at all times?

junior marlin
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Hello my dudes. Completely new to HA. I've set up a RasPi with HA, ZHA and a SkyConnect Zigbee antenna and shifted all my Hue lights and accessories to it. Much success, I've set up automations to toggle and dim lights with dimmers, buttons and motion sensors - but one accessory isn't playing ball. I have a Hue Tap Dial and I can see events coming through when I use it, but when creating an automation, I only get 'device offline', 'battery level changes' and 'identify pressed' as triggers. Any ideas what I'm missing? Is it a 'blueprint'? I'm not even sure what to search for.

grim igloo
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are you sure it paired correctly

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blueprint is basically a more complicated to create but easier to use version of an automation

junior marlin
grim igloo
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ya re-join it

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sometimes devices just dont join correctly and you go down a rabbit hole for nothing

junior marlin
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ooh interesting, ok

grim igloo
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actually if events come through when you use it it's prob working fine

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still cant hurt to rejoin tho

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i dont have any experience with zha + events tho so i'll let someone else jump in to help diagnose

junior marlin
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Mm, so a 'reconfigure' completed immediately and reported success. I still get events when I use it, like: "Tap dial Recall event was fired with parameters: {'group_id': 0x8E2B, 'scene_id': 1, 'transition_time': None}"

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^ I take it 'reconfigure' does a re-join? Or is that a separate action I can attempt?

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I have to say though, I'm otherwise very impressed with HA so far. Total and immediate convert 🙂

grim igloo
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it's a deep hole to fall into

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eventually it consumes you

junior marlin
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Hehe, no doubt. I just bought my first house 6 months ago and just got my meter replaced with a smart meter. Once I've got the lights sorted, I'm going to look into whether I can connect into that too. I imagine that's going to be somewhat harder.

grim igloo
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water or electric?

junior marlin
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electric

grim igloo
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is it one of those?

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funny enough, smart electric meters can interfere and cause issues with zigbee

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especially with joining certain devices iirc?

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no personal experience with that myself tho

junior marlin
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Ah none of those - I'm in Scotland XD

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but yes, my silly little 'in-home display' device they gave me connects to the meter with Zigbee. If i find any evidence of interference, I'll change channels - at least once I figure out if/how I can connect to the meter myself.

grim igloo
grim igloo
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something about ZHA not supporting zigbee power something or other

junior marlin
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Ah, interesting!

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Well, problems for later

grim igloo
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that

junior marlin
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I'm also going to be looking at solar next year, possibly battery and possibly also hydro. That will also be fun to try to meter 🙂

grim igloo
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puddly has explained why here in the past if you want to search from: puddly here. he's the zha maintainer so eventually it will probably be him to bring support for that

junior marlin
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Interesting, cheers!

royal gyro
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Was using a SNZB-02D temperature/humidity sensor + display for a few weeks without any issues with my tubeszb CC2652P2 PoE Coordinator and ZHA. Without warning (or updating), it no longer can record temp. Have tried reconfiguring, removing and re-pairing, resetting the temp sensor by removing the battery, to no avail. I actually ordered two (second was still in the box), and the second one behaved exactly the same. Rebooted the coordinator through the gateway (not a hard down/up) and restarted Home Assistant. Unless anyone else has ideas I'm probably gonna end up returning it.. meanwhile the aqara temp sensor has been working mostly well for the past year+ (no display, occasionally disappears but reappears).

green torrent
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Hey guys. Anyone recommend using Zigbee while living in an apartment building? I am afraid the wifi from other units will affect the signal.

dawn holly
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Hey guys - when I first made my HA, I didn't know a lot and set up all my zigbee devices with ZHA, but I suspect it as the cause of many of my hard to diagnose issues. What steps, up to and including rebuilding everything if I have to, should I take to move to zigbee2mqtt? I have mqtt setup already for frigate notifications and it works flawlessly. Thanks

gleaming jay
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Man is it just me or do ikea on/off buttons just simply suck

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They either never seem to pair, or after they do they lose connection. And getting them to work usually requires pressing the button behind the cover 4x, vs holding for 10 seconds per the manual, so even their instructions seem wrong?

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Should I invest in their hub and have them pair to the hub first for better compatibility with zha?

pseudo relic
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Howdy folks, seems I missed something with ZB. What is the difference between ' "First button" pressed' and ' "First button" pressed (Alternate mode)' ?

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I have Opple ZB Buttons (2, 4 and 6 button units)

austere patio
dawn holly
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Endless motion sensor pairing issues, random light pairing issues

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I've just finished "moving" everything to z2m and I already like it better.

mellow geode
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On which HA version were you and what motion sensors did you try to pair?

restive sparrow
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I’ve been told that Zigbee groups are the way to go(rather than HA groups) but everytime I change a group(on/off, temp, brightness) other Zigbee bulbs not in the group also change. Any clue what could be causing this?

mellow geode
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ZHA or Z2M? What lights are you using? Did you try adding them to the group and then removing them again?

restive sparrow
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Z2M. Sengled. Yep. No issues controlling them out side the group. But as soon as I put any lights in a group, it will also control lights not in any groups.

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I have multiple fixtures that have multiple bulbs, so I hate using ha groups cause they all change at different times.

gleaming jay
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To me, I feel that zigbee by nature is quirky and difficult. And that people just struggle either way

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A week ago 80% of my zigbee devices just stopped responding in my house. Tried rebooting my poe tubes coordinator, didn’t work. Rebooted HA, most came back, rest had to be re-added

dawn holly
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The zigbee2mqtt just has so much more information. I'm already set on not going back, everything feels more responsive etc

gleaming jay
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Maybe I should try it. My shits so problematic

raven torrent
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so has anyone managed to bind a trådfri on/off remote to a zigbee group with ZHA?
I made a zigbee group with some of my lights in it and I can control it with home assistant just fine, as you would expect.
however, when I go to the zigbee options of the trådfri switch in ZHA, go to bindings, select the group I want to bind it to, then the "LevelControl" and "OnOff" attributes and hit "bind group", the remote isn't bound to the group. i.e. I wake the remote up and get a green checkmark on the "bind group" button, but the remote does not control the lights in the group afterwards as i'd expect.
Do those remotes not support binding to a (custom) group?

raven torrent
loud bobcat
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hmmm not sure this is a zigbee problem per-se but it's related. z2m shows my smart plug i just paired (same happens to 2 other smart plugs of the same model)... and it's missing the switch entities in HA ... z2m shows a switch and i can power it on/off directly in z2m - but the rest of ha doesn't see it.... interestingly i have the exatc same model smart plug i paired months ago and it works fine and ihas a on/off switch control in ha - but newly paired plugs of the exact same model (same firmware etc.) just dont expose the switch control to ha from z2m on pairing... what would cause this?

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everything else works btw - power meters/sensors. it displays th current power state - if turned on/off on the plug it updates. can turn it on/off. shows correct wattage too etc.

restive sparrow
gleaming jay
raven torrent
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nope, why?

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I avoid buying proprietary gateways like that at all costs. atm i'm using whatever zigbee chip is in the home assistant yellow with ZHA for basically all of my zigbee needs.
but I also have some smlight slzb-06's here to experiment with Z2M on the side

gleaming jay
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Because I was thinking of getting it and connecting ikea devices to it, then exposing the hub to HA instead of directly connecting the ikea devices to HA

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Just because I’m having so many issues with all the remotes not pairing or staying connected. Or with some of them some features don’t work with HA

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Also, I find whenever I remove one of the ikea outlets from the network the whole network goes erratic for weeks afterwards. At least I think the two things are related. No way to know for sure

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For instance, I removed an outlet and then found that one of my ikea blinds stopped responding (but the one beside it was fine) this persisted for a week so I repaired the blind, but had to do it twice over 2-3 days before it (fingers crossed) stayed reliably connected

raven torrent
raven torrent
raven torrent
mellow geode
raven torrent
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why they would remove binding in a firmware update is still super puzzling to me. it is so handy. I guess with their native hub they don't use zigbee group binding for the remotes then? but even that hardly makes sense to me

mellow geode
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It was likely unintended, but it's not important for IKEA's use-case anyway. Luckily, you can use direct device binding (instead of group binding) in newer firmware versions, so you can still bind it to multiple lamps AFAIK

raven torrent
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yeah but device binding kinda sucks for some things in that it is more chatty, usually takes longer and the number of devices you can bind to is often pretty limited

mellow geode
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Group binding sends a message to all devices on the network though. If you just pair it to one or two devices, direct binding is better generally

raven torrent
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yeah sure, i agree. in my case though, i wanted to control more than that, hence my frustration

arctic crane
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I want zigbee doorbell switch that receives 220v current form wired switch

raven torrent
vivid furnace
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Hi. I have added Shelly dimmer 2 to my House and want to bind the buttons on a fuga battery push button to my Shelly device. How do i do this?

arctic crane
vivid furnace
raven torrent
raven torrent
trim hull
sudden yarrow
muted meteor
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Hey folks, since ditching my Hue hub for ZHA + SkyConnect, I keep finding the battery powered devices like the Hue Dimmer switches unavailable when I come to use them and I can't seem to recover them without re-pairing. Is it possible I've misconfigured something?

mellow geode
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The old RWL020/RWL021 Hue dimmer?

muted meteor
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It's the older 4 button rectangle one, not the crappy newer one

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The model number on the back is just a long number

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324131137411

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It has I/O buttons and dim up/down

muted meteor
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RWL021 according to ZHA

austere patio
muted meteor
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Ah thanks. That's unfortunate, I'm not about to set the configuration that allows the insecure rejoin, so I guess I need to ditch the hue dimmers and get something else

austere patio
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They'd also be camping outside your house to do so

muted meteor
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Yeah, I understand it's practically not feasible. But I work in comms-sec so it's just a bit of a bad look for me to intentionally lower the security of any part of my systems. Any recommendations, if I do replace them?

mellow geode
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AFAIK TI (CC2652) coordinators have a similar flag set by default in firmware.
I’m guessing the Hue Bridge would also allow unsecured rejoins

gleaming jay
gleaming jay
mellow geode
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So they abort the update?

dusk meteor
jade falcon
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@analog perch you around? My CC2652P2 has gone unresponsive after being offline for a bit. It doesn't seem to be getting an IP. Can I connect to it via serial to see what's up?

wraith pelican
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Got a bit of a silly question, I know Nest Protects have Zigbee built in, is there a way to get them to join/pass data along to a standard zigbee network?

raven torrent
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i went down this rabbit hole once and from what I researched online and tried out myself it's not possible. I don't even think they speak proper zigbee, but rather some proprietary protocol, despite having a zigbee radio.
which is really a shame, because imo apart from the whole walled garden cloud BS they really were and still are the perfect smoke detectors for a lot of cases.
I could be wrong though or things could have changed in the meanwhile, so ymmv

wraith pelican
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It does look like they took some steps to bring it out of protocol, claiming NFPA code prevents multiple systems from interconnecting without special testing

raven torrent
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seems like a bit of a cop-out seeing how they are connected to wifi as well. but then again I would not expect Google of all companies to do anything that benefits local connectivity and interoperability in general

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in fact I wouldn't even be surprised if those smoke alarms outright stopped working, if they decide to terminate your google account for uploading copyrighted material to YouTube or something 😄

wraith pelican
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Haha part of the reason I’ve started looking into the Zigbee aspect cuz of them graveyarding so much lately

raven torrent
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"lately" 🤣

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tbh i'm just still salty about Google Reader

jade falcon
dawn holly
# austere patio Which issues are you having?

I thought maybe this fixed it but i guess not. I have a sonoff motion sensor as well as one from samotech. Trying to run a simple automation that turns on the bathroom light. The sensors will work perfectly for a few days but eventually they just stop reporting their state, like they are frozen. The only thing that would work is to put the sensor in paring mode and have it look for new devices and it would eventually see it, recognize what it was, and start working again. Moving to z2m I thought was making it work again, but now I'm back in the same boat. Except now I don't even know how to get it to work again - sensor shows up under the devices in zig2m's ui but just says "cleared" - attempting to re pair it does nothing now so yay...

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I just don't get it, what am I doing wrong? Is this just how zigbee motion sensors are? Lol for reference, every other zig er device works flawlessly - both powered like wall power switches, battery powered button switches, window sensors and all the lights. But 2 different brands of motion sensor both exhibit the same symptoms. They don't disappear from the network but it will freeze at its last state and stop updating

molten linden
remote plaza
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I've seen this on ebay. The delivery is expensive but the item price is cheap so I can't experiment & buy one. Has anyone used these and could recommend? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285268024906 (let me know if this is ok to ask for product recommendations)

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Also, where products say zigbee and wifi, would that negate the benefit of zigbee's low power consumption benefit?

violet dagger
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that particular item is a wifi sensor. if products say zigbee or wifi they usually have two versions, one is zigbee only and the other is wifi only

remote plaza
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ahh good spot, thanks!

violet dagger
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you can find equally cheap sensors on aliexpress in the Choice section

remote plaza
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Thanks!

austere patio
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What coordinator are you using and how close is the sensor to it?

gleaming jay
mellow geode
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Can you try to start the update, as they’re pairing?

gleaming jay
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I’ll have to relook into it. I thought the last time I looked at zigbee ota updates you just enable it and hoped it triggered on its own

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I thought there was no way to initiate it, but I’m probably remembering wrong

gleaming jay
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Yeah just reading the zha docs. Makes it sound like you just enable ota updates in config and voila

granite girder
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I've got a ZHA problem - Have an already-used HUSBZB1, and can't get ZHA to "create network". It spins the circle for a while, then just says "Error" and quits.

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Do I need to erase nvram and if so, how?

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It has firmware 6.7.8 if it matters

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Z-wave part works fine

limpid light
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it's a garbage device

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And the radios in that thing are hillariously, sadly outdated as well

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You can grab a skyconnect or sonoff 3.0 for like $30

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skyconnect will net you matter/thread compatibility too

stable monolith
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MS-104CZ isn't reporting power usage. Is this a known issue? (I'm on ZHA)

austere patio
granite girder
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Yes. 230kb,,..

granite girder
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Have an edited file, how to post?

rapid dawnBOT
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Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

austere patio
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You can also PM it to me

granite girder
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ZHA problem

jade falcon
grim cloud
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Hello! Need an advice about 3 way switches. I have two rooms with 3 way switch wireing. Im looking for a solution to replace one of the swiches with smart switch. Is there a device which supports this kind of wireing?

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As the wires already ther i prefer useing the same for the smart switch. UPDATE: Located in Hungary / EU.

light marsh
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having some trouble with an ikea tradfri remote - it works super inconsistently. wondering if maybe the issue is wifi or other interference. the battery level reported in ZHA is 100% so I can rule that out, but pressing the buttons just doesn't do anything half the time. I have it bound to the light group I want to control, so it's not just home assistant missing events

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using ZHA with the silicon labs zigbee/zwave dongle, tradfri bulbs and remotes but not using the tradfri gateway, and also have a few sonoff sensors in the zigbee network

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also sometimes home assistant doesn't get the update when the bulbs are turned off, which causes adaptive lighting to turn them back on

mellow geode
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Interference levels are mentioned in the ZHA integration diagnostic file

grizzled kettle
grim cloud
grizzled kettle
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Ah, would have been good to mention 🙂

grim cloud
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You right, I updated:)

light marsh
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stuff in the living room is a bit lower, -66 to -69 RSSI but still 255 LQI

manic plinth
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Which gateway do you guys recommend for a Raspberry Pi?

grim cloud
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days ago i was asking tha same. Bought SkyConnect

mellow geode
mellow geode
light marsh
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is this the right file? https://dpaste.com/5NQHEFQUN
coordinator is silicon labs ezsp. and I changed my 2.4GHz wifi channel to 11 earlier today since it looks like that one doesn't overlap the default zigbee channel 15. didn't seem to make a difference though

manic plinth
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So what is the difference between my IKEA DIRIGERA hub and a Zigbee Gateway like SkyConnect? So far I only figured out that you can connect the IKEA remotes if you use the Zigbee Gateway

hidden canopy
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Using the Zigbee2MQTT addon inside a VM:

[21:26:20] INFO: Starting Zigbee2MQTT... Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-10-03 21:26:21: Logging to console and directory: '/config/zigbee2mqtt/log/2023-10-03.21-26-21' filename: log.txt Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-10-03 21:26:21: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.33.1 (commit #unknown) Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-10-03 21:26:21: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.19.0) Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-10-03 21:26:21: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-10-03 21:26:21: Failed to start zigbee Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-10-03 21:26:21: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-10-03 21:26:21: Exiting... Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-10-03 21:26:21: Error: Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error: No such file or directory, cannot open /dev/ttyUSB0' at SerialPort.<anonymous> (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/z-stack/znp/znp.ts:146:28) at SerialPort._error (/app/node_modules/@serialport/stream/dist/index.js:82:22) at /app/node_modules/@serialport/stream/dist/index.js:118:18

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test -w /dev/ttyUSB0 && echo success || echo failure success

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I am stuck on this one, I am out of ideas.

outer pulsar
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@hidden canopy is your USB used by something else?

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can you confirm it's the appropriate port ?

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lsusb -vvv

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how did you forward the USB to the VM?

hidden canopy
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Just fixed it. I had forgotten the USB part of the VM...

mellow geode
light marsh
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is there a replacement option that does both zigbee and z-wave (and ideally thread)? or I'd need multiple devices?

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I have a couple z-wave switches in my walls which I'd rather not replace

lusty yew
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Any suggestions for a zigbee RGBW led strip controller that doesn't disconnect every 5 seconds? I haven't had great luck with a gledopto and an unlabeled one I have

violet dagger
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might not be an issue with the led controllers then

lusty yew
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I have like 20 something other Zigbee devices in that room that work fine. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I'm probably going to go esphome though, I think. I'm making multiple lights and one is going to be pretty far from any other zigbee devices.

supple moat
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Hey, sorry for the month delay here, but I finally have the time to look into this. I have the diagnostics, but unsure what I am looking for

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I do notice that in Home Assistant the motion detector becomes unavailable sometimes in my logs... Not sure what thats about.
I do have about 70 devices on my Zigbee network, is that too many?
Or maybe the Ikea sensors are just unreliable? IDK

austere patio
supple moat
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I'll DM you if thats okay

mellow geode
supple moat
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I’m sorry to be dense, but you’re saying I should do this when it becomes unavailable?

mellow geode
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It's not unavailable the whole time, right? It just goes "unavailable" sometimes?

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The sensor can only receive messages (so be reconfigured) when it's "awake". It's awake when it detects motion. So, you want the sensor to reset to "clear/no motion", then trigger the sensor whilst starting the reconfiguration.

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But you can also just try to re-pair the particular sensor that goes unavailable. ("Add device" in HA, press reset button 4 times)

supple moat
rapid dawnBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

ashen bluff
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Best to share a log as text though if possible

supple moat
mellow geode
supple moat
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I think I get you though Julian, wait for device to be available but motion cleared, start the reconfiguration, then manually trigger motion in front of the detector

mellow geode
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Yep

supple moat
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Thank you very much, will try soon!

mellow geode
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The reconfiguration should show a "table" of all clusters/attributes. You want to have green checkmarks there.

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If everything is yellow, then the sensor was still sleeping or already back to sleep whilst the reconfiguration messages weren sent.
In that case, let the sensor go to "clear" again and try again.

supple moat
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Reconfiguring now, thank you!

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Is there an easy way to update ikea and Hue firmwares via ZHA? Most of my stuff is straight out of the box to ZHA, so I assume no updates are being applied

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Or is it better to have old firmware for HAOS and ZHA?

mellow geode
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You can put all those files in a folder called zha_ota in your HA /config folder.

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Then, add this to your configuration.yaml:

zha:
  zigpy_config:
    ota:
      # ikea_provider: true
      otau_directory: /config/zha_ota
supple moat
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Awesome! Thanks!!!!!

mellow geode
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(At some point in the future, updates can be done through the UI. Not at the moment though)

mellow geode
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Just gonna mention it here, zha-quirks PRs now also count against the Hacktoberfest PR count. So if anyone uses some custom quirks that aren't in the main repo yet (and have no PR), feel free to PR them to the repo: https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers

hollow forum
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Did you resolve your issue? I've been having this issue for months... I'm using ZHA with SkyConnect. My Aqara Curtain has just been a paperweight on my desk

mellow geode
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What's the "Zigbee model" of your Aqara curtain?

hollow forum
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That? xD

mellow geode
hollow forum
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This is the custom quirk from ESH, right? I did try that, and it kind of worked on my old HUZBZB-1, but I can't get it working at all on my SkyConnect. I'm thinking I need to get an aqara hub to update the firmware?

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With the SkyConnect it just goes unavailable after joining, and never reconnects ( I have a pretty strong zigbee network of 50 devices)

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Looks like I'm already subscribed to both 😁

mellow geode
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SkyConnect it just goes unavailable after joining,
huh, that's weird. You migrated the network from the old stick to the SkyConnect?

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A quirk wouldn't fix that issue. It's something else

hollow forum
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Yes it's a migrated network. I've tried re-pairing multiple times, but it always ends up permanently going unknown

rapid dawnBOT
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@hollow forum I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
hollow forum
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Let me remove the custom quirk and try again

mellow geode
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Ah, yeah. That's something broken by the quirk

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Let me know if it pairs without the quirk and then which features work (and what doesn't work)

hollow forum
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Having a lot of trouble pairing it, but that's always been the case 😆

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Ok paired it and it only showed the cover and the identify button

mellow geode
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The curtain entity has open/close/stop and lift percentage controls, right? Can you test what works without the quirk?

hollow forum
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It worked once with the cover but now it's unknown and I get:
Failed to call service cover/close_cover. Failed to send request: Failed to deliver message: <EmberStatus.DELIVERY FAILED: 102>

mellow geode
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Hmm, that just means there's some network/device issue. Battery fully charged? or just try again maybe

hollow forum
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This is usually what happens. The first one or so commands work but then it disconnects. I believe there are others in this discord with the same issue

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I'll try again with it charging!

mellow geode
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Which command "worked"?

hollow forum
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The "up" cover command.

mellow geode
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huh, that's what some people reported doesn't work (IIRC, only lift percentage worked -- or was that the other curtain model?)

hollow forum
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From my experience with the HUZBZB I had to spam the open or close command 2-4 times and it would work! Lift percentage only showed up with the custom quirk for me

mellow geode
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Ok, so you only get up/down/stop for the cover entity?

hollow forum
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Yep. Not even battery. Just repaired and it was immediately unknown 😞

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Hold up

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Got it connected and a few commands worked

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When stopping while it's opening I got the error:
Failed to call service cover/stop_cover. '>' not supported between instances of 'NoneType' and 'int'
And then it went unknown again

mellow geode
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this is without the custom quirk, right?

hollow forum
mellow geode
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uh, the ZHA cover code is, uhm, interesting. I don't even see how the state gets updated correctly to OPEN/CLOSED without polling

hollow forum
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That is interesting lol

mellow geode
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I don't have any covers, so it's hard to test this

hollow forum
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I'd be happy to help test but it's bedtime for me now😆
Let me know if I can test something and I'll get to it!

mellow geode
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yeah, I'll keep it in mind. thanks!

hollow forum
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it's just this device (also my only cover) that I have issues with, maybe it just sucks, but I usually expect better from aqara

warm saddle
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@sour shadow im using docker for home assistant and currently i only have 1 zbmini-l2 working great with my light. I like to integrate snzb-03, trying to pair using zha (of course) but doesn’t see any discovery.

dusk meteor
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Hi All, still learning etc, so dont kill me.... a couple of things....

I have purchased another switch a ClickSmart+ Single Socket (UK) in addition to my existing Aurora Smart double socket. I have both sockets functional but I know there is more that these switches can do which isnt currently supported in ZHA. I know @mellow geode is looking at the light dimming on the double already. But this single socket is lockable and able to disable the switch and dim the light. I would love to help make these switches first class citizens and expose available options.

Whats the best way to learn how to configure these devices manually, for example on one switch I want to default to on when there is a power cut, I can see what I think is the option when I manage the device, but I dont know the available commands etc

Am I able to learn / help with quirks to surface these settings, is there a video series or something that can help me understand, or whats the best was to submit requests, and how best can I support

I even looked on Upwork to see if there was anyone offering dev time to do this, but couldn't find anything listed

violet dagger
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The only way is to analyze existing quirk code and extrapolate

dusk meteor
dusk meteor
sour shadow
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Tinkerer im using docker for home

lilac wharf
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@hollow forum hello, fellow Muse fan

warm saddle
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Hello guyz, which has more range zigbee usb repeater or smart plug router?

sour shadow
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Yes

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There are ... dozens to hundreds of USB repeaters, and dozens to hundreds of plugs... they're not all equal

slim valve
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Hello, I bought an _TZ3000_ja5osu5g (TS004F Single button). It is recognized and configured in ZHA as a toggle switch. I would however like it as a "press" button. I do not understand much about quirks up until this point. But I've read that I was also able to listen to ZHA events. I am however not receiving these events when I am listening to it in the developer tools. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?

lucid hollow
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2023-10-04 15:47:47.683 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.util.logging] Exception in async_discover when dispatching 'mqtt_discovery_new_climate_mqtt': ({'action_template': "{% set values = {None:None,'idle':'off','heat':'heating','cool':'cooling','fan_only':'fan'} %}{{ values[value_json.running_state] }}", 'action_topic': 'zigbee2mqtt/Schlafzimmer_Heizung',... 'zigbee2mqtt/Schlafzimmer_Heizung/set/system_mode', 'mode_state_template': '{{ value_json.system_mode }}', 'mode_state_topic': 'zigbee2mqtt/Schlafzimmer_Heizung', 'modes': ['auto', 'heat', 'off'], 'name': None, 'object_id': 'heizung1', 'origin': {'name': 'Zigbee2MQTT', 'sw': '1.33.0', 'url': 'https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io'}, 'temp_step': 1, 'temperature_command_topic': 'zigbee2mqtt/Schlafzimmer_Heizung/set/current_heating_setpoint', 'temperature_state_template': '{{ value_json.current_heating_setpoint }}', 'temperature_state_topic': 'zigbee2mqtt/Schlafzimmer_Heizung', 'temperature_unit': 'C', 'unique_id': '0xa4c1381b8cd7e674_climate_zigbee2mqtt', 'platform': 'mqtt'},)
voluptuous.error.MultipleInvalid: string value is None for dictionary value @ data['name']

I got this error message from debugging of the mqtt integration. I'm using zigbee2mqtt -> mosquitto mqtt -> mqtt Integration
All the other sensors are showing up in my mqtt Integration just the climate entity doesn't. Someone got a similar error before and can help me? 😄
This error occures for my AVATTO ME168 thermostat and also a TuYa BSD29 Smart Plug. I think i perhaps configured sth wrong but i don't know how to proceed :/.

calm gate
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Looking to pull the trigger on a USB adapter to start using Zigbee accessories. Many of them are out of stock, or have poor shipping to the US. Does anyone have experience with the USB Zigbee Stick (Z-Stack) Coordinator from Circuit Setup? It does't look like it has an antenna which worries me about range

sick osprey
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is there a simple way to check if a zigbee device also acts as a repeater?

molten linden
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In general most mains powered devices repeat

carmine hamlet
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once you've already bought it?

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Z2M shows

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molten linden
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But there are exceptions

carmine hamlet
molten linden
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As does zha:

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sick osprey
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haven't bought it yet, ty guys for the info, so i better buy some mains powered lights

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oh i see it now in z2m

hot fable
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hey guys, what do people think of using a skyconnect as a zigbee hub (coordinator?) i want to get into zigbee but am looking for the most user friendly way for it

carmine hamlet
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it's fine. just use the built-in ZHA integration to talk to it

hot fable
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ah, instead of z2m?

carmine hamlet
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Yes. Support for the chipset in Skyconnect is experimental in Z2M and not recommended for production

hot fable
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cool

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sounds good then, thanks!

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would i be better off getting something else instead of the skyconnect or is it pretty good overall?

astral seal
warm saddle
# sour shadow Yes

How many zigbee repeater and router chain relay before it lose it strength?

Coordinator —> repeater —-> repeater etc etc?

I want to do my fence light which around 100 meters in distant,

molten linden
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Don’t think you would get near any limits but keep in mind zigbee is a mesh. Can look at using something with an external antenna and possibly using a directional antenna too.

gentle patrol
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Can someone tell me their Skyconnect device info? Mine shows up as CP2102N uart bridge device but never anything about Skyconnect is that correct?

carmine hamlet
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That's the UART bridge that it uses

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It's fine

gentle patrol
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Thank you, it works and connects zigbee devices I just want to make sure it’s all setup and will get firmware updates…would love to see that thread firmware come through sooner rather then later

thin bobcat
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Hi All! I have ha on a RP4 and is looking to replace my conbee 1. What is the latest and greatest zigbee controller suitable for my setup? Thank you for any input!

sick osprey
sour shadow
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Both Sonoff P and E sticks have known problems - buy almost anything else 😛

rapid dawnBOT
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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

fallow iron
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Hi!

First time using ZHA quirk today. I got the mmWave presence sensor working. Buy now I notice previously working devices are offline. They also show up with quirk details in ZHA, which I believe isn't there before.

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Is this expected behavior and I should re-pair them? Or is there something not quite right?

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Example: Aqara door/window contact sensor is show this detail:

Quirk: zhaquirks.xiaomi.aqara.magnet_aq2.MagnetAQ2

But I don't have any file in the custom quirk directory for it. Does it mean if one device use custom quirk file, all device must use custom quirk files?

dawn holly
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Does anyone know what causes this bug exactly? Sometimes my zigbee switches will become unresponsive, but if I look in the log, I see something like this where HA is seeing the device action "DenSwitch Action, DenSwitch Action changed to double" but not understanding that as the trigger for the automation. An HA restart is the only thing that works

mellow geode
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Buy now I notice previously working devices are offline.
It likely doesn't have to do anything with your custom quirk, unless it's breaking weirdly. (Check the logs)

fallow iron
mellow geode
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Just for reference, can you link the PR here?

fallow iron
mellow geode
jade stag
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Hello, posted in general but told it might be more useful in there. This issue I raised only seems to occur from 2023.9.3 onwards. I have had to revert to a 2023.8.4 backup where the problem goes away. But I was just told that the logbook entries indicate that the issue happens outside of HA. I can't see how this can be the case as it only started on upgrading to 2023.9 and goes away when i restore an old backup. Anyone got any ideas? https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/101291

mental fog
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Hey guys... has anyone managed to get this working in HA?

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damn. can't add a pic ..

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it's a "Loonas" Zigbee smart curtain motor, "powered by tuya"

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tried setting it in pairing mode, but HA doesn't detect any new zigbee devices...

rapid dawnBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

mental fog
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on the manual there is a qr code going to qr82388.fx.sj.360 .cn -> then towards xiomi app store showing "com.tyua.smart.apk" (I'm on an iphone so no apk 🙂 )

mental fog
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the motor is detected in HA zigbee as _TZE200_r0jdjrvi TS0601 but basucally.... theres nothing that can be done with that "device"

violet dagger
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if its any consolation it's marked as supported in zigbee2mqtt

upper latch
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Anybody in .au come across a multi gang zigbee power outlet with dimming that's certified to local standards? I've got a stupid existing lighting setup which combines dimmed and non dimmed circuits on a single wall panel

jade falcon
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@molten linden I installed the replacement WT32-ETH01 . Do I need to flash again?

half cradle
jade falcon
violet wave
small ledge
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Hi! I have lights and scenes in Deconz, but transistion is not working. Its just not respecting it, and scene changes happens instantly.
I found this (closed) tread, but its not resolved. Is it currently working for anyone? Is the workaround to recreate my scenes in HA instead of Deconz?
https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/86646

lofty junco
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hey there. I want to know how to automate updating the battery-levels in my thermostates (zigbee) in HA. I found some threads which are years old, so i wanted to ask what's the current best practice. Because the batteries all show 100% until they die 1-2 years later...

violet dagger
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how are they updated?

lofty junco
river umbra
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What are the recommended brands for zigbee plugs? I’m thinking of building up my z2m network and migrating Hue lights from their hub to z2m

sour shadow
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Depends on where in the world you are, but Innr are available most places (except maybe Aus)

river umbra
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US

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Yes innr are on Amazon here

silk heath
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Hello. I use a Tuya TS011F (_TZ3000_j1v25l17) with ZHA. My problem is, that the device only works in home assistant for 3min. Then the light(which is blinking) on the plug turns off. After that it isn't working. Can somebody help me? I also tried with a custom quirk but that also doesn't worked. I think that the plug doesn't "knows" that it is connected to something because the blinking light normally indicates that it is searching for a bridge.

mental fog
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I'm starting to wonder if tuya is actually worth the hassle ... device ids keys, dev cloud accounts and a ton of configuration just so you can use it in ha? Nah ....

dawn holly
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Paying 3x the cost for a Tuya motion sensor vs a sonoff one did nothing - acts the same. I just don't even understand zigbee at this point tbh. ZHA had a bunch of bugs and as far as what I could find, very little logging or reporting about what was happening. Switching to zigbee2mqtt started out great but now has it's own weird quirks. The current one I don't understand seems to be related to things being overloaded as it were - if I, for example, use my switch to switch between scenes too quickly for it, then suddenly the automations don't work anymore - HA's log still happily reports that the switch is clicking once, double clicking, etc, but no automations are triggered from it until either some times passes or I restart

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Same issue with the motion sensors now - I can't, for the life of me, get a simple motion sensor automation to work because the sensor's reporting seems to be all over the place. Currently my automation is looking at 2 different motion sensors - on sensing motion, they turn on a light and start a timer. On detecting clear, the restart the timer. The timer going off turns the lights off. Now this SHOULD mean that if I happen to be in the bathroom not moving much on my phone and the timer goes off, waving my arms should trigger the light to come on, or waving my arms at any time. But what happens in reality is that, the only thing that is truly reliable is one or both of the motion sensors triggering the light in the first place. Then it's like both sensors decide to go take a nap - sometimes they switch immediately back to clear, sometimes they stay on occupied for a long time - whichever happens first triggers the timer and that's that. I've tried changing the max rep interval on the sonoff sensor based on a thread I found but it seemed to do nothing.

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On a side note, I think I might relocate my home assistant somewhere more centrally - what is the best way, if any, to reinitiate a network mesh refresh after the move?

sour shadow
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Power the coordinator down for 30 minutes

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Xiaomi's Zigbee 1.2 devices won't change parent/router though

dawn holly
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I'll power it down in a sec but I just wanted to share this bug as well. Looking at the automation in the UI. I click the button and the blue popups on the triggers even show "triggered" - the trigger is a simple active scene. On the UI, I have a button that will activate that scene and it works... what is going on in your head, Home Assistant? I feel like that patrick star meme but me telling home assistant that this is a button click

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But if I wait a few minutes, it catches up

silk heath
fading briar
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In the past, I created two Zigbee light groups Kitchen Light Fixture and Office Light Fixture When I use them in automations, that's exactly how their name appears.
Last week I created a new light group Master Bath Ceiling Fixture, but when I go to use it in an automation, it shows up as dresden elektronik RaspBee II Master Bath Ceiling Fixture. Why is this so and, more importantly, is there somewhere I can go to edit this to a more friendly name? I've looked in the Group Information that comes up, but all I see is a trash can icon to delete it, not a gear icon to edit it.

umbral pivot
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I never got a ping for this, idk why, but what I did was just a hard reset. I deleted everything.

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When I setup ZHA with SC it finds all the previous devices immediately (This has been a point of frustration for me too, because I want to change channel before it adds them)

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But they won't respond. I am thinking maybe this has to do with them retaining the old key? I am trying to reset devices today.

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Interestingly, despite this notion, resetting devices is exactly what fixed it. I can control devices for the first time in two weeks 🫣

lofty junco
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Hey. Got some zigbee thermostates with batteries but the charge-value is always 100%. I read on the HA forum that this value somehow doesn't update automatically? But I didn't find any stable/working solution. Can someone please help? x_x I'm using ZHA.

main ruin
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It probably isn't possible to easily migrate from a hue bridge to zha is it?

forest arrow
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good morning all, so it looks like my sonoff zigbee controller might have died so I am looking for recommendations if I have to buy a new controller. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have 30 zigbee devices that are connected to it and I want to be able to connect it to Home Assistant

leaden grotto
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i have zero knowledge of zigbee, using wifi based devices until now

mellow geode
violet dagger
main ruin
gritty frigate
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Howdy 🙂
There is some weirdness between z2m and ha that I can't really find a handle on. Let me share some of the symptoms:

  • Some devices that are reported online (and controllable just fine) in z2m look unavailable in homeassistant
  • Some sensors don't get their name updated properly, e.g. "MQTT Binary sensor" default is seen in homeassistant, but z2m shows them fine.
  • When I restart z2m, the outcome is pretty unpredictable, either 128 sensors are missing, or just 10, but I'd expect 3 (not in use, battery dead)

The MQTT in use is the HA addon. This is HassOS on a Pi4 8Gb
Can I ask for some help on how do I get around debugging this?

vapid mango
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Has anyone here experience with a G9 bulb? I only find one called Prios LED-G9 with a "powered by tuya" label on the box and a "works with zigbee".

austere patio
umbral pivot
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It's the same question I was responding to just earlier

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I didn't migrate. I set SC up fresh.

austere patio
umbral pivot
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I hard reset the Sonoff 3.0, removed it and the integration, added SC and set it up, yep!

viral fox
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(ZHA) Hi, I've got an exceptionally bad mesh and I'm not sure what to do about it. It worked before but maybe the interference has increased, and now my blinds won't connect.

I have two repeaters intended to connect to one another, they bridge the first and second floors of the building. the issue is that the downstairs repeater connects directly to the antenna upstairs, and it has a bad connection like that. I thought the thing is supposed to find the best path...

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/462589936064004097/1160275418314719292/Screenshot_20231007-195916.png

edit: a router seems to interfere with repeater 2, switching to channel 25 sort of fixed it but all connections are still red

austere patio
umbral pivot
topaz burrow
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Does anyone know of an app or tool to find the best locations for Zigbee repeaters? I have 5 routers plus the coordinator to cover about 1000 square feet but the network does not feel strong at all and the visualization tab shows the devices that keep dropping aren’t connected to any routers (despite some being only 5 feet away)?

keen merlin
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Looking to use a Zigbee USB stick as router. What is the preferred Stick and firmware combination for use in Home Assistant? I plan on using this as battery backed router to help the weak battery powered sensors reach the the hub during power failures

astral seal
astral seal
# topaz burrow Does anyone know of an app or tool to find the best locations for Zigbee repeate...

Nah you've just got to kind of eyeball it, consider that the effective range for Zigbee is going to be like 5-10 meters, look at obstacles like walls, large metal objects like appliances, and consider potential sources of interference (Bluetooth and 2.4 GHz WiFi).
Though your situation may be linked to interference or issues with specific devices. What devices are you having issues with? Have you tried pairing them directly through the routers you want them connected to?

keen merlin
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@astral seal I ordered a Sonoff dongle E. Was that a mistake?

last rain
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Hi There, Im using SkyConnect with both the Zigbee and Thread radios enabled. I have recently removed the 2 thread lights and replaced them with zigbee ones - can i change the SkyConnect to just have Zigbee?

astral seal
last rain
mental fog
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Uh guys... how to run z2m with multiprotocol ?

keen merlin
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@astral seal I guess I'll find out .. hoping not a #FAFO 😆

violet dagger
mental fog
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thank you, @violet dagger 🙂 I already figured it out but good to know there's z2m discord 🙂

dire hedge
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@last rain did you have issues with the thread device?

last rain
ionic lintel
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Hey y’all. I’m currently rebuilding my HA & I’m running into a weird issue with my aqara door sensors. For some reason they’re all showing up as switches, even though previously they showed up as binary sensors. Anyone know why this might be happening? (No changes in hardware. Just having to rebuild everything due to data loss.)

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I’ve tried deleting the zigbee integration altogether, restarting & re-adding. No luck... everything keeps coming back the same way. I’m using ZHA btw.

ionic lintel
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Ok nvm, seems to be back to normal now. Somehow it was able to restore my zigbee config from the corrupted backup I’ve been working with lol.

azure talon
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Good morning, I have a question or two regarding ZHA. I just bought Ikea Rodret remotes and after I couldn't connect them to ZHA for whatever reason, I coupled them to a light directly. I sort of forgot that that disconnects the light from the ZHA mesh making it unavailable. If I pair it again with ZHA will it register as a new device or will it be able to fall back into its original place?

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Second question is, any tricks about how to connect the Rodret remotes?

jaunty light
topaz burrow
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I’m using zha rather than z2m if that makes any difference

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I know xiaomi only connect to a router upon setup - anyone know if sengled bulbs are the same

sour shadow
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Xiaomi will connect to the coordinator fine

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The Zigbee 1.2 range just connects to the first thing it hears

topaz burrow
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Yeah my sensors are working ok which is odd because they’re connected to the coordinator which is farther than some of the sengled bulbs which keep dropping

hollow rover
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Hey, somehow all my zha devices stopped working, they Show as not available

topaz burrow
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Any chance your router switched channels automatically? That happened to me once interfered with my Zigbee network

sour shadow
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What coordinator are you using, and is it on a USB extension cable?

hollow rover
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Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 Dongle

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Directly in the Pi

sour shadow
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CC2652 or EZSP?

hollow rover
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I think cc but i dont know

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No nevermind its on Extension

sour shadow
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The CC (P) is known to have issues that can require it to be re-flashed at random

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Sometimes just restoring a stick backup is enough to fix the NVRAM corruption

hollow rover
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How to know what i have?

sour shadow
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You may find that restarting HA is enough

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The stick should tell you what it is

hollow rover
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Sonoff 3.0 USB Dongle Plus

sour shadow
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There's still two of those

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E (EZSP) and P (CC2652)

hollow rover
sour shadow
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Sonoff are the worst for naming (and building) things

hollow rover
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Its the cc one

sour shadow
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Yeah, neither are good, but that's the worst one of the two

hollow rover
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Great 😅

sour shadow
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NVRAM corruption is pretty commmon

hollow rover
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Its the First time this happened in 2 years

sour shadow
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Good/back luck, maybe

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Check the HA log to see what's going on

hollow rover
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Somehow one door Sensor still works

sour shadow
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Have you power cycled your router devices?

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Just in case they've crashed/locked up

hollow rover
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I can try that

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Restarting it now

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So Whats Dongle should be used if not this one

sour shadow
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Anything current that's not Sonoff

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For ZHA the SkyConnect is a good choice, as is anything current EZSP (other than Sonoff)

hollow rover
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The Little Stick from ha?

sour shadow
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Yes

hollow rover
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Does it have the Same Range?

sour shadow
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Direct range from a coordinator is largely irrelevant

hollow rover
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I restarted the Router but still the Same, one door Sensor is working

sour shadow
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Most give you about 6 to 8 meters, ish

hollow rover
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But all other zigbee devices are Not available

sour shadow
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Well, if one devices is working then the stick is working

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Your problem is the routers/interference

hollow rover
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Its Showing its Status but oPENING and closing the door doesnt change it

sour shadow
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Ah... so maybe not working

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You've checked the log?

hollow rover
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Doesnt Show anything specific i think

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Can i Upload it?

rapid dawnBOT
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Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

hollow rover
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Oh exeed device Limit

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Nevermind its HomeKit

sour shadow
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That's what I get for assuming you were talking about unavailable in HA

hollow rover
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What do you mean

hollow rover
sour shadow
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Or did you not actually look for stuff from ZHA in the log?

hollow rover
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Thats all i have in logs

sour shadow
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If there's a problem with ZHA/the coordinator the log will have something, unless you set the log level too high

rapid dawnBOT
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If you're having problems with your updates to your configuration:

burnt stratus
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Hi guys, anyone have any feedback about the Sonoff zigbee smart radiator valves? I'm looking into getting some (as they're locally available and fairly cheap)but couldn't find any info on whether they work well with HA (using the sonoff dongle, no 3rd party hubs or such)?

hollow rover
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I think its working now i disconnect all the Batteries of the devices

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And they seem to come back

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But i deleted the pet feeder and i cant seem to find it with zha

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Anybody Can help me with this one?

sour shadow
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You're trying to pair it again?

hollow rover
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Yeah got it working now, needed to bring it real close

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You would still recommend getting the other Stick?

bitter leaf
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Any guide on how to secure ZigBee devices and other smart ones? All I can find are papers with really big picture stuff but not hands on guides/tutorials

sour shadow
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The Zigbee mesh is entirely local, and encrypted

astral seal
azure talon
sick osprey
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can i use a zigbee controller with zigbee2mqtt and as a device directly in HA or would that cause some kind of conflict?

sour shadow
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No, you can't

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To use both ZHA and Z2M you need two coordinators

sick osprey
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kk, good to know, ty!

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because it's popping up all the time in my devices list in HA

undone coral
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Are eWeLink DS01's garbage?

battery's good, just loses connection back to the coordinator (SONOFF ZIGBEE 3.0 USB DONGLE PLUS)

Do i just have to keep trying to re-pair these things?

bold spoke
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Tinkerer: I was looking through the history here to find a Zigbee USB stick and see that you recommend a CC2652 that's not Sonoff, do you have any particular model you'd recommend that maybe I could find on Amazon?

molten linden
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I make/sell network connected coords with cc2652 modules.

dull dock
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How Can I find out the current firmware version the zig bee radio on my Yellow is running?
Thank you in advance for any help

molten linden
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Pull the zha diagnostics should be in there

keen merlin
# astral seal The E uses the efr32mg21 chipset so the answer is "maybe". Sonoff says you can f...

I got a Sonoff USB Zigbee Dongle E and flashed it with router firmware and added to the ZHA Zigbee network. It has by far the best RSSI and and highest LQI of all the other routers, many that are much closer to the coordinator. It has meshed with all the other routers but none of battery powered endpoints have connected to it. Will that happen or do I have to force it? How do I force it?

astral seal
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Just wait, unless you've got some older Aqara Zigbee 1.2 devices, in which case you'll have to pair them through the router you want them to use.

keen merlin
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All my devices are Zigbee 3.0

violet dagger
upbeat crag
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Any suggestions for PIR motion sensors?

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I have some Hue ones whihc are good, but pricey, and some Sonoff ones whihc are cheap but crap.....

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I there anything in between?

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I've read the Aqara P1 units are good but they are forever out of stock....so can't find those anywhere....

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Is there anything else?

ashen compass
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I have ikea TRADFRI bulbs connected through z2m. If they are unavailable, they still show as on. Is there a way to refresh this to show unavailable or if it's unavailable to default to off rather than on?

silent lintel
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I've noticed an issue with my Gledopto bulbs. Specifically, when I have the brightness turned down and go to turn the bulb off, it first jumps to maximum brightness before powering down. Has anyone seen this behavior before with these bulbs? Using Z2M in docker.

astral seal
astral seal
sour shadow
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Is there anything else

foggy copper
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Hello : I have something pretty weird with a MS01 by eWeLink PIR sensor (similar to the sonoff) :
HA show a Motion Detected, when I took the battery off more than 5 min ago
I can manually change state to off, but it goes back to on in either 1 second or about 1 minute
restarted HA a few time
nothing weird in logs

foggy copper
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ok so I deleted the device and added it back and it is ok again

finite osprey
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What is this error?
Logger: zigpy.appdb
Source: runner.py:186
First occurred: 7 October 2023 at 11:33:11 (5367860 occurrences)
Last logged: 10:17:43

Discarding _save_device_last_seen event
Discarding _save_attribute event
Discarding _save_device_relays event
Discarding _neighbors_updated event
Discarding _routes_updated event

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5 million occurences lol

hollow forum
austere patio
finite osprey
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sonoff usb p version

austere patio
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Are you running in a VM?

finite osprey
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yes proxmox

austere patio
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Looks like connecting to the USB device fails the first couple of times, requiring multiple attempts before it works. This will be fixed in the next HA Core point release.

finite osprey
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that explains the 5 million occurences?

austere patio
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Yes, it's a known issue that is only triggered if the initial connection to your USB device is unstable

finite osprey
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I assume there is nothing i can do on my end to improve stability

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of the usb port comms

austere patio
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I haven't checked why Proxmox behaves this way or what will help but you normally wouldn't notice, since ZHA tries multiple times to connect to the radio before giving up

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It usually works on the second or third try. There was just a bug that wasn't fixed in the beta that appears on the second reconnect attempt.

finite osprey
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I have been noticing slower than normal zigbee response time

austere patio
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That would be unrelated and not controlled by ZHA

finite osprey
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ok

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tnx

small furnace
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Heyall! (Was sent here from general support channel)

Anyone run into this issue?
I have an aqara powerplug added to HA using zigbee via ZHA, i also have an Trådfri on/off switch i wish to connect to control a group of lights that are unrelated to the powerplug.

However the moment i add the trådfri switch to HA by using the factory reset it somehow outside of HA binds to the aqara powerplug and starts controlling that.
This is even interpreted by HA as if i press the physical button on the aqara to turn it on or off.
It is annoying as hell and blocks me from using a physical lightswitch in this room.

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I just managed to sort it out.. By readding the powerplug (factory reset) AFTER adding the lightswitch

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But it happens when i add some other trådfri switches too

astral seal
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That exact issue comes up periodically yeah.

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It's always the tradfri switches that do that.

mellow geode
mellow geode
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(and on which firmware is it?)

violet wave
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is there a way to lookup real quick which device has which NWK ?

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like from the sqlite database ?

hollow forum
mental fog
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Hey guys... turns out zigbee doesn't like walls too much ... Using Sonoff zbdongle-e but in the other part of the appartment devices pair and exit the network 5 seconds later.... Please recommend some good range extenders compatible with HA? Got 3 Curtain motors, mains powered, which supposedly should be able to act as repeaters, but ... they aren't doing a very good job.

mellow geode
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You can download diagnostic information from the ZHA integration to get the version

violet wave
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the NWK address I meant

austere patio
austere patio
violet wave
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@austere patio indeed it works, even with my 90+ devices 🙂

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thanks !

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I really need to put those damn light bulbs on a separate network

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there is no way to exclude light bulbs from being a router in a network right ?

austere patio
violet dagger
tepid gorge
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I hooked up an ikea tradfri remote via zigbee2mqtt and now when I push the toggle button it keeps turning on and off a specific switch. I realized it by a coincident when i was using a blueprint to create an automation. After deleting all automations the issue remains so I assume it must be a setting within Zigbee2mqtt that I need to change?

violet dagger
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They're binded

tepid gorge
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Binding is a blind spot in my knowledge bank. It is nothing I have done by purpose, could it be a standard behavior?

violet dagger
tepid gorge
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I can’t see that the new remote has any specific binding. There is a binding from source 1, destination controller, target 1 and OnOff I selected

proven mason
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hey can someone help me out with understanding how my zigbee router/antenna works with regards to my devices and backups and firmware updates?

sour shadow
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What do you mean?

proven mason
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i have the sonoff zigbee ZBDongle-P based on TI CC2652P + CP2102N

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ok im a real noob here

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so im scared out of my mind to do anything with the antenna, like a firmware update for example

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i took a backup of my HAOS, which is good. is it as simple as restoring to another HAOS and plugging in my dongle?

sour shadow
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Yes

proven mason
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what happens if i mess up a firmware update and i need a new dongle, SAME MODEL, can i just point my zigbee network to that dongle? and it would work/

sour shadow
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Yes, and yes

proven mason
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like where is the limitation? i cant just attribute any zigbee dongle can I?

sour shadow
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Though, most of the recent firmware for that stick has issues - don't upgrade the firmware

sour shadow
proven mason
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like for example, a layer 2 unmanaged network switch, if it breaks, i can just pop in a new one and it'll work

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ZHA

sour shadow
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Then you can swap between any TI or EZSP adapters

proven mason
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lol, how do i know this! haha, ok, how do i see what firmware I have on it, someone suggested my zigbee issues might be the firmware

proven mason
sour shadow
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Yes

proven mason
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where do i learn this in more detail?

sour shadow
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No idea how ZHA works, I'd assume that the info is somewhere...

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Learn ... what?

proven mason
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ive created a monster of a network and i have zero faith in a backup restore working and im losing my mind because it took a month to move all my crap

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learn what TI or EZSP is?

austere patio
sour shadow
proven mason
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the backup and restore yes, i have faith, its the whole DONGLE thing i dont get

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ok

sour shadow
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The ZHA docs have a list of example sticks

proven mason
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so my zigbee network is associated to the chipset?

rapid dawnBOT
proven mason
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ok and where did you see that there was an issue with this dongle/

austere patio
proven mason
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ohhhhhhhhhh

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so i could take a vanilla stick and when HAOS finds it, "attribute" it to the network

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for lack of a better term

sour shadow
proven mason
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so what should i have gone with?

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about three months ago when i embarked on this, this was the recommended stick

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and obviously, it goes without saying it has to be able to work with being transfered from this stick

sour shadow
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Well, you're using ZHA... why not go with some EZSP stick, like the SkyConnect

proven mason
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would that slide right into place of this stick with a backup/restore?

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like is it the proper chipset?

sour shadow
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Yes, yes

proven mason
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oh boy

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wish i knew this a few months ago

austere patio
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What network problems are you having and how long ago did you set up your Zigbee network?

proven mason
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ok, i built a whole network on the nortek stick

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then i was having issues at scale, 70 zigbee, 40 zwave

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so it was recommended i go with the sonoff and the 800 stick for zwave

austere patio
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What kind of issues?

proven mason
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i also needed to change my zigbee channel from 15 to 25 so i had to re-add ALL my devices

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zigbee devices going dead

austere patio
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And of the 70 devices, how many routers?

proven mason
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missing automations

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im embarrassed i dont know how to answer that, are those MAINS powered ZIGBEE devices?

austere patio
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99% of the time, yes

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Unless you have Sengled bulbs

proven mason
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no sengled bulbs

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im looking, hold

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i have a TON of the sylvania switches

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smart plug

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and a bunch of their lightbulbs too

austere patio
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Can you download diagnostics for the ZHA integration and upload a link to the JSON somewhere?

proven mason
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let me see if i can figure that out

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let me know what you are looking for in this, im trying to learn

austere patio
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36% channel utilization for channel 25 and nearby channels are similarly congested. Is the stick on a USB extension cable and away from USB 3.0 devices, ports, SSDs, WiFi routers, mesh systems, etc.?

proven mason
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it is on an extension cable and its about 40 feet away from the nearest WiFi AP (Unifi)

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i do have my lab in the basement though

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i have three UNIFI APs and I believe they are on channels 1, 6, 11

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1 in the basement, 6 on the second floor but directly above the zigbee antenna and 11 is on the top floor in the foyer

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the three APs broadcast four SSIDs

austere patio
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Any nearby USB 3.0 devices?

proven mason
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the zwave 800 stick

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also on an extension

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how nearby?

austere patio
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A couple of feet

proven mason
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its my office and homelab so im sure i got some 3.0 things nearby

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im using an APU4 that has two USB3 ports

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as my HAOS

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(which is also a mistake im learning because i can do HAOS upgrades)

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i have pi4's aplenty

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im open to changing everything, i just need to do it with backup/restore though because its taken me months of free time to migrate everything and do all the automations/scenes, etc

austere patio
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Double up on the extension cables and move the stick even further away. If that fails, you can change the channel or try a more recent firmware for your Zigbee stick. I don't keep track of what firmwares are considered stable these days for ZNP radios but depending on the types of devices going offline, that may be a solution. As a last resort, you can change the channel of your Zigbee network to something quieter. ZHA has a button to do this, and to pick a quiet channel for you.

proven mason
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and all of this is without having to re-add devices?

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so i can pick AUTO and it wont bork my whole system?

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i guess i have the backup right?

austere patio
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Unplugging things and using longer cables is, channel migration is best effort and depends on your mix of devices. Some people can do it freely without losing a single one, others have to rejoin a few sensors that don't do so on their own after an hour. But you want to minimize interference before migrating channels.

austere patio
proven mason
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so its quite a risk

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even if i manually put it back to channel 25, ohhhh i see, the devices that "went" and changed channel wont know to go back to 25

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FML

austere patio
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If you 100% want to avoid re-joining any single device at any cost, don't switch channels. I would first reduce interference sources, use a longer extension cable, and then try it as a last resort once your environment is good.

proven mason
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ok

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how do i measure "good"

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with this download file?

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what did u look specifically?

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can you select the lines and send me a link back?

proven mason
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any idea how to see what firmware im on?

sour shadow
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Don't use ZHA, as I said already

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No idea where that hides it

proven mason
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right understood

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i did mess with the flashing tool once, i borked something and legit just ordered a new one from amazon

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not about to do that on my production environment

mellow geode
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You can see your firmware versions in logs or by downloading ZHA diagnostic information IIRC

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Or maybe also on the device page of the coordinator

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Interference is also shown in the Zigbee diagnostic file

proven mason
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im looking

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where?

sour shadow
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        "metadata": {
          "zstack": {
            "TransportRev": 2,
            "ProductId": 1,
            "MajorRel": 2,
            "MinorRel": 7,
            "MaintRel": 1,
            "CodeRevision": 20210708,
            "BootloaderBuildType": 0,
            "BootloaderRevision": null
          }
proven mason
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and how do i deduce from where?

sour shadow
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"CodeRevision": 20210708,

proven mason
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20210708

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wow

sour shadow
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That's old old, but also not new enough to be the known bad

proven mason
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so i need someone who knows this dongle to recommend a firmware to move to?

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or go to skyconnect?

sour shadow
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20221226 is the last known "stable", for most values of stable

proven mason
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ok this is my concern though, im experimenting in my live environment

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what happens if the firmware isnt good, is there any going back to working state?

sour shadow
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Yes, you can just flash a different version

proven mason
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there's too much riding on just frivolously applying firmwares?

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ok and my local HAOS database would just apply the database to the stick?

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similar to if i bought a new one from amazon?

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this is where my original concern that started this topic comes from

sour shadow
proven mason
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where are ya'll seeing congestion in the json?

sour shadow
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Line 308

proven mason
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lower number better?

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so channel 14 would be best?

sour shadow
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Yes, but maybe no

proven mason
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lol

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this is madness

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what did i get myself into

sour shadow
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Channels 11, 15, 20, and 25 are ZLL channels and well supported by all devices

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Other channels may not be supported, but documentation on that is spotty

proven mason
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good grief, so lower number is generally the better number?

sour shadow
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Yes

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And you've already been given advice above by Puddly on things to do

proven mason
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yes, i have done those during my last migration

carmine hamlet
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generally lower interference and not right on top of a wifi channel

proven mason
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right

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i have studied the wifi/zigbee channel overlap

carmine hamlet
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which is where those channels came from

proven mason
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which is why i did 25 for zigbee

sour shadow
proven mason
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so i can change to AUTO, but its a gamble regarding potentially re-adding devices that didnt "AUTOMATICALLY" convert

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regarding the usb3.0 port. is the concern at the END of the extension cable or the PORT on the HAOS itself?

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in my case the APU4 sitting in my rack of other equipment

sour shadow
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Port, plus port + cable

proven mason
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good lord ok

sour shadow
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There should be a sticky post about it

proven mason
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i have some ideas about putting the APU4 and its antennas elsewhere in my house

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if ONLY to get away from my congested homelab

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when i move it, is there a way to force a "rebuild" of the zigbee network?

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i could keep asking questions but ill give it a rest

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just wanted to confirm one thing: i can go from the zonoff to the skyconnect seamlessly?

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it's in the same "family" or "chipset" and therefore would be seamless?

sour shadow
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Yes you can, and no it's not the same chipset

proven mason
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oh ok but its seamless, is all i care about

sour shadow
proven mason
hollow forum
mellow geode
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In the (debug) logs, it just says „delivery failed“, not anything with „left network“, right?