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grim igloo
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as far as recommendation for led strip, that isnt a one sentence deal

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there are 24v cob strips that are pretty neat

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basically you figure out what strip you want, then what controller you want and what features it has (wifi with wled or zigbee for example) then you buy appropriate power supply and cabling if needed

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complexity depends on the use case and amount of leds and all that

midnight forum
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In the ZHA coordinator backup file, what is the "key" part of the "network key" entry? Mine is all zeros

austere patio
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What coordinator are you using?

midnight forum
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Preparing to move to a new USB radio and want to make sure I have a good backup

midnight forum
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Some random drop shipped one from china that I had to reflash

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the radio appears to be partially or fully dead

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Moving to a Sonoff 3.0 E

austere patio
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That's probably your network key 😦

grim igloo
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yikes

midnight forum
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The partner_ieee has values

grim igloo
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aka he needs to start fresh? (to be safe)

austere patio
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But you don't need to perform a backup manually, one is taken for you every time you start up

midnight forum
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There is also a "tc_link_key"

austere patio
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When you restore, you'll be given an option to pick a specific backup, since ZHA only replaces backups with other compatible backups. If at some point in the past a backup was taken with a non-zero network key, it'll still be there.

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If not, there's nothing else you can really do

midnight forum
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Where are the backups stored? I am using the official docker image

austere patio
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They're within /config/zigbee.db

midnight forum
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Is there anyway to check to see the contents of the backups before restoring?

austere patio
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Dump the database with sqlite3 /config/zigbee.db .dump

midnight forum
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Also is restoring just plugging in a new Zigbee coordinator and then going through the configuration process with ZHA?

austere patio
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Click the "Migrate radio" button in ZHA's configuration page and follow the instructions, it'll tell you when to plug things in and what to do

midnight forum
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Okay so just follow the migration process? I mean i guess there is pretty low risk since everything is broken rn

austere patio
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Have you tried to re-flash the CC2531?

midnight forum
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I have not. It has that pain in the butt mini header and tagging on some bodge wires to program it in the first place was a pretty big pain so I just bought that Sonoff yesterday and it showed up today

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Would that be a worthwile step to hopefully get the Network key?

austere patio
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No, if it can't be read now it will definitely be gone after you re-flash it

midnight forum
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I assume the Network key would be needed to clone the configuration onto a new coordinator correct?

austere patio
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If you send me your zigbee.db file I can take a look to see if it contains a valid backup

midnight forum
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I am dumping it rn

austere patio
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The backup JSON is stored as text, you should be able to see all of them

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Ideally there will be at least two, with the most recent one having the all-zero network key and the one preceding it having something else

midnight forum
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To confirm, there are entries is the network info section called extended_pan_id, network_key, and tc_link_key

nework_key has five entries including key and partner_ieee

key is equal to 00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00

partner_ieee has 8 hex octets

tc_link_key > key has 16 non zero hex octets

and partner_ieee matches the network_key partner_ieee

austere patio
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The JSON and the structure of its keys and values is correct, it's validated against a schema. The backup format for the CC2531 is also well-tested: if this is what's there, that's what your stick reports.

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But the contents don't seem to be, the network key shouldn't be all zeroes

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Run the .dump command I mentioned above and look for database entries for the backup table. You should see multiple rows (unless your network key is really all zeroes). Or send it to me and I can do it for you.

midnight forum
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So there should be a table called "backups"?

austere patio
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It'll be backups_v11 I think

midnight forum
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I have attributes cache and then straight to devices_v10

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Theres a table called "network_backups_v10"

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It has an entry that is just a json file

austere patio
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Why not v11? What version of Home Assistant are you running?

midnight forum
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and in that json file is network_key, and a non zero key!!!!

austere patio
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Great. How old is the backup?

midnight forum
midnight forum
austere patio
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Then you don't need to do anything else, just take note of the date and when you will be prompted to restore a backup, pick the one from that date

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Update to the latest version before migrating, however. There have been bugfixes that you would benefit from.

midnight forum
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Okay sounds good thank you for the help

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This has been a bit of a head banging experience lol

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The dead radio is not super easy to detect. It still shows up as a USB device on my host machine, if I pair a device it seems to go through the pairing process, but then it immediately becomes unavailable

austere patio
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An all-zero network key sounds like NVRAM corruption, probably because the key is invalid

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What you can do is go through the migration flow but click "re-configure current radio" and try to restore the backup from May 15th

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That might re-write the correct network settings to the stick. Alternatively, do that to the new stick and toss the CC2531.

midnight forum
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This is the comment that finally helped me figure out it was probably radio related

midnight forum
austere patio
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MAC_NO_ACK is common, it doesn't necessarily mean the radio is dead

midnight forum
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Gotcha

austere patio
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But an all-zero network key on a CC2531 99% means you need to re-flash its firmware

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But since you have a modern coordinator already here, just migrate to that and forget about the CC2531

midnight forum
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Alright well I will try to restore from backup. If that does not work, I think I will migrate to the Sonoff. Ideally get the dual protocol working at some point in the future in the event Thread becomes a thing in my house

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Ok one thing I just noticed, the backup I pulled from the sql database has no entries in the "nwk_addresses" field

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its just an open and close curly bracket

austere patio
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Don't worry about it

midnight forum
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Where does it store the non coordinator devices?

austere patio
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Nowhere, they aren't stored

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Rather: what is in the backup JSON is all of the information the coordinator provides. If it's not in there, it's not stored.

midnight forum
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The backup I took via the UI yesterday that had the all zeros network key has about the same number of "nwk_addresses" as I have devices

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So if I restore the backup that has nothing in the "nwk_addresses" field, how will the network restore itself? Do all of the devices just continually look for the coordinator address and then reconnect?

austere patio
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The connections are passive. As long as the device has the network key and sends data to the coordinator, the coordinator will notify the application of a device sending data. It doesn't really know or care what the device is. The zigbee.db file contains information about devices in other tables.

midnight forum
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That is really interesting thank you. I understand the basic principles of Zigbee but this has been very helpful in understanding the data model

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Do you work in Zigbee dev?

austere patio
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Yes, I maintain this portion of ZHA and the libraries that communicate with your coordinator 😄

midnight forum
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I figured haha that makes sense. Well overall I have really enjoyed using ZHA. When I look up the documentation for older solutions its a lot less straightforward. Setting up ZWave JS for my parents was kind of a nightmare comparitively (mostly my fault for some bad docker practices lol)

midnight forum
proven pelican
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Do you guys have a go to recommendation for a presence sensor? I was looking at the Aqara Presence Sensor FP2 but I'm reading that it's not compatible with HA/Zigbee. I am trying to have a mostly Zigbee ecosystem but I'd settle for whatever works best for presence sensing.

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#hardware-archived sent me here but also said the Aqara Presence Sensor FP1 IS zigbee even though the FP2 is not.

sour shadow
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FP2 works with the HomeKit (controller) integration apparently

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The FP1 works fine with Z2M, and I assume ZHA

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I like my FP1, works well

proven pelican
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so basically what I want is primarily motion lights don't shut off if you are sitting still in the room. Will it solve that problem for me?

sour shadow
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Yes

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mmWave sensors pick up any motion, down to breathing

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This also means they pick up flapping curtains, spinning fans, and the like

proven pelican
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interesting

grim igloo
proven pelican
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I can't even find the FP1 or the FP2 for purchase anywhere

sour shadow
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The FP1 could be found easily on AliExpress last I checked

proven pelican
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i thought that site was sketchy and sold fake chinese electronics so I disregarded it from any results

sour shadow
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Clearly you never did your research 😛

proven pelican
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but i found a couple people on reddit saying they got it there too now so I guess I was wrong lol

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screw it I'll give it go

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thanks for the help! 🙂

sour shadow
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Try searching this server 😉

grim igloo
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I wouldn’t buy an fp1 at this point

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I have two and they work fine but still

proven pelican
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is there something better around the corner?

grim igloo
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Bruh

sour shadow
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There's always something better around the corner

proven pelican
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lol, well i landed on the FP2 because I saw this guys video where he literally is walking around different parts of his living room and different lights are turning on/off. The response time is amazing. That would be great (and preferred) but if the FP1 can just work in conjunction with my current motion sensors that would be fine (motion turns on, presence leaves on till room empties)

sour shadow
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The FP1 does "somebody is there" and to a lesser degree where they are (much more limited)

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The FP2 provides a lot more detail on where, but then it has more bandwidth to play with

proven pelican
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if I managed to get my hands on an FP2, what does homekit integration look like? Is homekit it's own protocol? Would I need to get another dongle to plug into my HA? (Sorry if that's a dumb question, my ecosystem has nothing homekit currently)

rapid dawnBOT
sour shadow
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Some of the reviews cover it in detail too

proven pelican
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thanks again for putting up with my questions 🙂 I'll keep researching, but I may snag an FP1 just to see how it works for me

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anything to make my wife stop complaining about the lights turning off lol

half cradle
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any suggestions on "cheap" zigbee light and dimmer switches?

sour shadow
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Which country are you in and what do you call cheap?

half cradle
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United States. And not 40 dollars a switch? Some dimmers, but really just want to fix the issue of smart light on or off, and the "switch" being physically on/off if that makes sense

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don't need as many bulbs. Basically I see decently cheap wifi ones...

fair mountain
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lol, not $40 a switch

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@half cradle Leviton zigbee switches are not basd

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bad*

molten linden
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for fixed light switches (not dimmers) you can just hard wire the light on behind the switch

half cradle
molten linden
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and then attach a contact sensor to the switch terminals

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its' the same thing the hue in-wall switch is essentially

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then use an in wall relay for the switch and if it doesn't do decoucpling (smart bulb mode) use the contact sensor hack smart lol

grim igloo
half cradle
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I just see 5-10 dollar wifi ones

grim igloo
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Maybe it’s only a requirement that they can turn them on, not off

molten linden
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a shelly can do it and have a decoupled switch - I've done that

half cradle
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but cheaper

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or like I have these

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but figure should be going zigbee

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I guess rocker?

plain cape
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I'm trying to migrate from a Rpi 4 to a PC. I'm able to backup HA and cut it over without any issues, however when I move my Conbee 2 over, none of the devices appear as online. I tried a few options with a backup and restore within the migrate radio option, but that didn't seem to do anything. I'm probably missing something very simple and dumb, but can't quite figure it out. (Using ZHA btw)

scarlet plank
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Hi all. This morning i tried to migrate from ConBee2 to SkyConnect and used the guide on https://skyconnect.home-assistant.io/. I did finish it without any errors, but the new addapter cannot connect to any device anymore. I resetted one lamp which works now fine, but i have 60 devices, so i hope there is a better option than resetting them all.

I have errors in the log about homeassistant.components.zha.core.cluster_handlers: async_initialize: all attempts have failed: [DeliveryError('Failed to deliver message: ....

If i diff the backups i see that the tc_link_key is the same, but the network_key differs. I do not know if that's the problem and do not know how to change it to test it out.

Anyone with the same problems that hopefully found a solution?

austere patio
austere patio
plain cape
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@austere patio It wasn't, but I certainly can do that. I did read about the interference, but figured that'd give me more inconsistency rather than outright failure. (Not sure if the RPi 4's ports cause that same interference or not, but it has been fine direct)

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Trying to avoid excessive downtime or swapping between the devices too much (Tends to ping my wifes phone with the changes, and she's not so much a fan)

scarlet plank
austere patio
# scarlet plank Home Assistant Core 2023.5.2

Upgrade to 2023.5.3. And try to restore the backup with the correct network_key again. In the migration flow, select "re-configure current radio" and upload the correct, manual JSON backup .

austere patio
plain cape
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I plan to do that, but could that be the cause of the issue when migrating? Seems like there's more to the puzzle. (I do plan to get a sky connect eventually, just want to move to new hardware first)

austere patio
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There's really nothing else that could be the problem if the Conbee is otherwise functional. Network settings are stored on the stick so if you moved the same Conbee to the new location and moved your /config/ folder, everything will be identical save for the exact hardware setup. If your Conbee is plugged into a USB port, it will potentially be drowned out by interference. Do you have any sensors or devices that send updates periodically? Do those work?

plain cape
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Nothing worked or responded. I do have motion sensors, lights, but everything showed as unavailable. I'll give the external cable a shot and see how it goes. (Noticed that my z-wave dongle worked via a USB 2.0 hub....any harm in using that or is an extension strictly suggested?)

scarlet plank
ashen compass
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Anyone have a preferred motion sensor? I'm looking to have the closet lights turn on when I walk in. (There's no door on the closet).

sour shadow
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The Aqara P1 works well, as does the Linkind

polar fulcrum
ashen bluff
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Yes

polar fulcrum
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is it good? im not exactly sure whats considered "good"

sour shadow
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See my previous comments to you about Sonoff

polar fulcrum
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hm something that fails randomally doesnt really sound enticing

sour shadow
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Most people are fine, but ... YMMV

surreal river
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So after switching from zigbee light groups to regular light groups I'm still having issues where switching "too many lights" results in not all the lights getting the message. "too many" here is 6 lights total. I'm using a ConBee II, when I enable debug logging I'm seeing a bunch of zigpy.exceptions.DeliveryError: Failed to deliver packet: <TXStatus.NWK_BT_TABLE_FULL: 210> exceptions, which is the same issue I was having with the zigbee groups. Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong here?

sour shadow
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What coordinator are you using?

grim igloo
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Why would you switch from zigbee groups to lightgroups in the first place?

surreal river
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because someone in here told me it'd work better?

grim igloo
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That’s backwards

surreal river
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well it hardly matters since both setups have the same issue 😛

sour shadow
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What coordinator, and what firmware version?

surreal river
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"coordinator"?

grim igloo
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Well it matters if you want to diagnose and fix it when testing

sour shadow
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The radio thingy

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Often a USB stick

surreal river
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oh, ConBee II, not sure about the firmware version, assuming the diagnostics will spit that out?

carmine hamlet
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They said 'Conbee II'

sour shadow
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Ah... my brain blanked that out

grim igloo
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As tinkerer told me earlier, reading is hard

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Gottem

surreal river
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so the export diagnostics doesn't seem to have any obvious firmware version number?

carmine hamlet
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That isn't a great coordinator

sour shadow
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Warning: Conbee 2 firmware versions newer than 0x26580700 will result in an unstable network with devices dropping randomly

surreal river
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:I

grim igloo
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This might be as simple as ‘conbee + zha = pain’

sour shadow
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The ConBee isn't the worst, but ... it's not the best by a long stretch

grim igloo
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Oh fun docs to back it up

surreal river
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it seems to be the recommended zigbee dongle on the internet. will getting a new dongle fix this malarkey?

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(and if so, which?)

sour shadow
grim igloo
rapid dawnBOT
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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

grim igloo
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It’s highly not suggested here or Reddit

sour shadow
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It's the most recommended commercial stick... because it's been around for a long time

surreal river
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I do have to say I've not had issues with devices becoming unavailable, which seems to be the complaint with the conbee?

sour shadow
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People mistake commercial for quality (looking at you... Sonoff)

grim igloo
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Sonoff are commercial?

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Eu thing?

surreal river
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Sonoff is chinese stuff isn't it?

grim igloo
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Ya it’s hit or miss

surreal river
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I got a bunch of their switch doohikeys and a curtain motor. seems to be alright other than one of the switch doohickeys conking out

grim igloo
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Their coordinators have been good but their sensors are shit

sour shadow
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Their coordinators are also hit and miss

grim igloo
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I use and suggest the sonoff p dongle If you’re cheap

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And a PoE coordinator like tubes if not

sour shadow
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And if you're lucky and don't get one with QC issues

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Tube's a far better buy

grim igloo
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Only a handful of times per puddly

surreal river
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like I said, had one of their switch gizmos break within like a month, but given their prices relative to a lot of competitors that seems fair enough

sour shadow
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I've seen a few posts here, and a few separately on the Z2M Discord, about NVRAM corruption

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I've also seen a few people, including myself, have issues with the P stick crashing randomly

grim igloo
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It’s also only the P dongle doing that not the E

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Ah

sour shadow
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It just needs to be "busy" enough, which isn't busy

grim igloo
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It’s possible I’ve run into that and not realized what was happening

sour shadow
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If everything stops working until you restart the software then it's the stick crashing

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Restarting Z2M always fixes it, for me

grim igloo
surreal river
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"z2m"?

grim igloo
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Z2m

surreal river
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whats that?

sour shadow
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Zigbee2MQTT

surreal river
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oh

rapid dawnBOT
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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options including the CC2652 based sticks. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

sour shadow
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Ignore deCONZ 😉

grim igloo
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As is tradition

surreal river
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I've been using zha so far, and was hoping to keep doing so

sour shadow
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No reason to change now

grim igloo
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Then you can also look at the newer efr32 chipset options

surreal river
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will there be an advantage going for the EFR32 chipset?

grim igloo
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Maybe

surreal river
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(other than "oooh new and shiny" of course)

grim igloo
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It’s a different stack embernet vs ezsp and will eventually allow for thread and zigbee to work on the same stick at the same time

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A lot of us prefer cc2652p due to known stability for years

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End results for mesh turning lights on and shit is the same

sour shadow
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With ZHA you can use either without worry

grim igloo
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Yea

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well there's plenty of stuff to worry about

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gat dang world goin to shit bobby

surreal river
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(or at least a choice that'll work with more than 6 lights :P)

grim igloo
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surreal river
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a refresh usually fixes those, title is Silicon Labs EFR32MG21 Zigbee 3.0 Universal Gateway USB Dongle,ZHA, EZSP, NCP, Home Assistant in case it keeps not working

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(aliexpress is a surprisingly janky site)

grim igloo
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i would personally buy a quality one from a reputable manufacturer not a random one using the chipset you want

surreal river
sour shadow
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I also personally prefer ones with an external antenna. It's not a huge difference but it can help

surreal river
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good point

grim igloo
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so i guess get that one instead if you want a good PoE coordinator

sour shadow
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Tube also provides excellent customer service

grim igloo
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word up

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@ tube here

surreal river
grim igloo
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it do be that way

molten linden
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🫠

surreal river
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not to mention I have no PoE hardware at all, so that'd add to the costs

grim igloo
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no PoE switches?

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do you even homelab bro

surreal river
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nope

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pfsh homelab. I did a course in network management and had my fill 😛

molten linden
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Non PoE available too and usb only (upgradable later to Ethernet)

surreal river
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is it?

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can't find it on the website

sour shadow
surreal river
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that's... not a bad argument

sour shadow
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I have about 90 Zigbee devices now... if they were all just $10 (they weren't) the cost of a good coordinator is a rounding error

surreal river
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oh the EFR32 one without ethernet is not so bad

molten linden
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Usb version just doesn’t come with the Ethernet module. And case has break away tab if want to add later

surreal river
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pinkie prommise it'll work good? 😛

molten linden
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It will work as good as the sonoff one or better since you are forced to not plug the radio in to the server

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Plus I’m here to ping if it doesn’t 😂

surreal river
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that's honestly not a bad selling point

molten linden
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But I’m not marketing lol I let the word of mouth of others do it🤦‍♂️

surreal river
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alright lemme see if the checkout process is stupid I suppose ;P

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page layout breaks if you forget to check the terms and conditions box, but other than that no more or less stupid than the average US webshop

molten linden
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woocommerce for the win 😂

surreal river
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good on you for not getting stuck trying to develop your own webshop software 😛

molten linden
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Thank you

surreal river
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I think I speak for a lot of EU folks though when I say I'd prefer if you enable more payment methods. I don't have a credit card and paypal is... icky at best

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anyways thanks for the help so far y'all

carmine hamlet
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The corollary is that having a better antenna helps you hear the clients better. It also gets the antenna further away from the electronics of the dongle and USB port

surreal river
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never mind that antennas are black magic on top of all that

austere patio
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For Zigbee it's the same, it usually will not make a huge difference, if any, once you actually have a mesh.

primal mauve
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SONOFF “ZBDongle-E” (EFR32MG21 variant) fails to connect with Zigbee2MQTT

primal mauve
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Quick question: I assume I cannot have both ZHA and Z2MQTT using one dongle (coordinator)at the same time?

carmine hamlet
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Correct

alpine cipher
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Hello, last i my HA crashed and had to restore from file.
All went okay'ish, besides the connection btw my RPI (running Z2M) and my main HA. I had to change the IP address. This worked fine besides that the entities themselves stayed greyed out although that the connection was made without errors). Any ideas to ovoid this in the future ?

mighty river
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Where can I find a changelog for new firmware releases for OTA updates? E.g. Zigbee2Mqtt is reporting that my Ikea Tradfri Smart plug has a firmware update avaiöable. But where van I read up what changes between version to evaluate if it's even worth updating?

plain cape
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@austere patio Thank you for your assistance the other day! Turns out that was exactly the problem. Everything is working now! Now I'm going to proceed to facepalm for knowing about the problem and not registering that it was the issue.

carmine hamlet
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In the Zigbee2MQTT UI, is there a reason that a fully-functioning and interviewed device would show up in the devices tab, but not in the dashboard tab?

sour shadow
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There is a logic to it - some device types don't show up there

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Somebody explained it to me once, but it was a year or two back and my memory ain't that good

grim igloo
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I admittedly don’t even use the dashboard

carmine hamlet
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I think it's the only one that doesn't show up in the dashboard for me

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I always assumed that it was either just a different representation of the same thing, or that you'd be decide what to show in the dashboard

sour shadow
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I think it's things like remotes that don't show up, like that "switch"

carmine hamlet
sour shadow
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Certainly mine don't

half cradle
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@analog perch thank you making sure I got my order today

molten linden
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NP, got picked up about an hour ago. on to Philadelphia to catch a plane hopefully early part of the week

half cradle
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Awesome,

analog perch
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What?

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Haha wrong tube

grim igloo
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there can only be one tube

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we will let you know once the council has decided your fate

carmine hamlet
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This will no longer be a problem when Discord completes the switchover to unique names

grim igloo
#

there's a lot of push back

half cradle
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oops if i did wrong tube again..

molten linden
#

you got the right one. I got confused above on who ordered what and when and was talking about a package that went out today 🤦‍♂️

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Thank I need to update docs almost always.

half cradle
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Let me know if you ever want me to test anything with it, and if the config is different for the poe in anyway, I doubt it

molten linden
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config is the same.

half cradle
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I had a feeling, and well it worked. 🙂

molten linden
half cradle
#

yea, running latest HA

molten linden
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it will now default to fw settings vs some older conservative values that had to be over-ridden

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specifically the ezsp_config: section

half cradle
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all of it?

molten linden
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yep

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I'm out for the night now. lol been trying to dial in a new printer nozzle🤦‍♂️

half cradle
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lol, night, same here

grim igloo
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What’s to dial in?

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Should just be able to change it in the slicer and it does the rest. Maybe flow and retractions / prime

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You go up to .6 to print the coordinator cases faster?

molten linden
grim igloo
#

My buddy didn’t like his revo but he’s a crazy voron guy

fair mountain
#

Has anyone ever experienced a manufacturing issue with Hue bulbs where they behave weirdly in a Zigbee group? I have a single light, on my ceiling, that regardless of what coordinator or channel it is on, will stop responding to commands after awhile. It has the same firmware and model # as most of my other ceiling lights.

grim igloo
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No times 40ish hue bulbs

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Hardware failure is rarely mentioned with a lot of stuff here but I’m not against considering it

fair mountain
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yeah i have ~130 bulbs, I recently discovered some older Hue bulbs from 2013 were wreaking havoc on my zigbee network so I'm now suspicious of everything

unborn orbit
fair mountain
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they spontaneously combust if they get a join reject from any network (even the one they arent trying to (re)-join)

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if Inovelli doesnt fix it soon I am going to submit a CVE, because IMO it's a security vulnerability lol

unborn orbit
fair mountain
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they say that Silabs is ignoring the ticket they have open ..

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i get the impression they dont actually dev any of their own firmware

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either it's outsourced to a company in Vancouver (name is scaping my mind), which outsources to China .. or it's a Silabs issue

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V-Mark Enterprises

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I think they are largely a marketing firmware and distributor

unborn orbit
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or is it that once they receive the join reject there is no salvaging?

fair mountain
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i unplugged the device in my house that sends rejects, but I also see an iTRON smart meter whic hI have no control over doing the same thing ..

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so its margnially better

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yes you have to poewr cycle them to get them back ..

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(to be clear: the device sending the rejects is NOT part of my zigbee network)

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its a water timer developed by LinkTap which has its own gateway which uses pseudo-zigbee

unborn orbit
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i remember it was a pairing issue you were having. After getting them on the network are they still giving trouble?

fair mountain
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yes

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so they pair mostly immediately with my linktap gateway unplugged, but they are still dropping when they get rejects when they try to rejoin a zigbee ntework, i.e. for better signal or whatever

unborn orbit
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so they'll fall off your network then?

fair mountain
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yes, they come back if I air gap them or sometimes after a few hours

unborn orbit
#

interesting, i'm having the same problem with my switches

fair mountain
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its easy to repro if you can get a device to send rejects

unborn orbit
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they randomly fall off the network

fair mountain
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to be clear i have thi sissue with every coordintaor i own,

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and i just received a new one in the mail on friday and it also has the same problem (:

#

yeah .. I wouldnt buy Inovelli again I think

unborn orbit
#

I just went and did a factory reset on all my switches at this point to see if it makes a difference

fair mountain
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good luck

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i keep pinging their CTO

grim igloo
fair mountain
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and based on my back and forth with the guy it sound svery much like they do zero dev themselves

grim igloo
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I’m not arguing your logic

fair mountain
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yeah .. they sell themselves very well

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wow z2m really does not handle >130 devices well. the web UI starts to lock up

grim igloo
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They also charge a serious premium

grim igloo
fair mountain
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yeah the switches were $75/ea, or $69/ea at bulk (>10) in Canadian

fair mountain
grim igloo
grim igloo
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Might be worth opening an issue

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I rarely use the z2m ui but I’m also at like 50 devices

fair mountain
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it was fine at 50

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i will open an issue

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lol added a few more devices and now i cant even hit Permit join

grim igloo
#

Confirm it’s not just one browser

unborn orbit
grim igloo
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I think he might’ve angered the old gods given all the issues that he has with zigbee

fair mountain
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i anger all the gods

unborn orbit
fair mountain
#

if I throw my ubqiuiti gear out a window will that appease them

grim igloo
#

I love my silver stuff

fair mountain
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i gave away my UDM for free it was s obad

unborn orbit
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i'm an omada guy

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that and opnsense

grim igloo
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Well udm is a pill shaped all in one device not really a great product

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I’m not a fan of tp link anything

#

Omada is just Chinese UniFi lite

grand wraith
#

Hi I know that this is the wrong channel for that question, but I don't know were to ask. Does anyone know which discord server would be perfect to discuss the topic rtl_443 and adding support for the Gardena 868mhz sensors?
Thanks and sorry again!

grim igloo
grand wraith
#

Ok then I will write there Thank you!

manic seal
#

Hello everyone! I have a sonoff Zigbee hub flashed with tasmota, along with some sonoff contact sensors. They are all working well in HA. I'm trying to find a way to integrate them into HomeKit as a security system. Is there anyway to do this with HA or HB?

grim igloo
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firstly, consider a coordinator that doesn't have wifi as a next hop after zigbee - that sonoff one is practically the worst possible option (and iirc the chipset they use sucks too)

manic seal
mighty river
#

Where can I find a changelog for new firmware releases for OTA updates? E.g. Zigbee2Mqtt is reporting that my Ikea Tradfri Smart plug has a firmware update avaiöable. But where van I read up what changes between version to evaluate if it's even worth updating?

austere patio
hot fable
#

Hey guys, if I'm about to get into zigbee stuff (basically various battery powered sensors for now), what coordinator do people recommend? I've never used zigbee before so preferably something that doesn't require as much tinkering would be good

Is the sky connect worth getting for ease of use and connectivity to stuff?

pure saddle
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I'm using HA Yellow which basically has it on board and it's very simple to use ZHA. If you ever want to use zigbee2mqtt instead that is currently more difficult on that hardware, as far as I understand

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I switched from zigbee2mqtt to ZHA and everything is infinitely easier

grim igloo
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That’s not a fair or accurate statement about z2m

pure saddle
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The former is based on this bit in the FAQ:

The Zigbee2MQTT project has experimental support (in beta stage) for the Silicon Labs radio on Home Assistant Yellow.
The latter is my personal opinion, of course.

hot fable
#

Is that for sky connect?

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So zha has more support on it than z2m?

molten linden
#

SkyConnect is a Silicon Labs radio, ZHA works well with them, they are experimental and hit or miss with Z2M. If you want to run Z2M get a TI cc2652 radio

hot fable
#

Fair enough - that's easy enough to keep in mind then - just got to double check what I want to get and how it runs

fleet lodge
grim igloo
fleet lodge
half cradle
tall tusk
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I keep attempting to resync my Linkind leak sensors but they half sync, battery says unknown, sensor state dose not change?

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i got 3 out of 4 sync'ed but the last one is giving me trouble

ember valve
#

I have 2 Zigbee plugs with "Device Type: Router" sitting pretty close to each-other, 1 which is within range of my coordinator and 1 which is not. Should these not be talking with each-other extending the range, or is that something I need to manually enable on them?

sour shadow
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What makes you think they're not?

ember valve
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The fact that one works to control and the other does not.

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https://i.imgur.com/qh41fRY.png
My setup looks something like that, the green one works, the red one doesn't. I feel like the green one should be talking to the red one making that one work too

sour shadow
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Did you pair them in place, or did you pair them near the coordinator and them move them?

ember valve
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Ah I paired them near the coordinated and then moved, should I pair them in place?

sour shadow
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Yes

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You should always pair in place - doing what you did is pretty much certain to cause you problems

#

For Zigbee 1.2 end devices you should also usually pair them to a specific router, rather than letting them pick

ember valve
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yep works now that I paired everything in-place 🙂 Thanks!

trail gorge
#

Hey, I'm reorganizing where my servers are placed. Would a conbee II be enough for a floor of about 16sqm with about 40cm~ brick walls or should I also add some bulbs & etc for routing?

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there's at most two walls to pass through

sour shadow
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General rule of thumb is that you'll get about 6 to 8 meters and one or maybe two drywall/plasterboard walls

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Brick reduces the range, and the ConBee's range isn't awesome to begin with

harsh solstice
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Sorry for cross posting, not sure where this should be posted:

I am looking for a wifi/zigbee based device that can change a state based on whether my alarm is armed or not. From the alarm’s instruction manual it will put out a 12V reading for an armed state, and drop back to 0V once disarmed. So, I am looking for something to wire in there that will be turned ‘on’ when the alarm is armed, and turned ‘off’ when disarmed.

I am not from the US, but will take all inputs I can get and then I will see if I can source them locally.

Thanks in advance for any help!

tall tusk
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my linkind water sensor is doing some funny stuff
Sump S-A Identify became unknown
9:41:07 AM - 2 minutes ago
Sump S-A Moisture cleared (no detected)
9:41:07 AM - 2 minutes ago
Sump S-A Identify became unavailable
9:40:34 AM - 2 minutes ago
Sump S-A Moisture became unavailable
9:40:34 AM - 2 minutes ago
Sump S-A Zha Event was fired
9:40:34 AM - 2 minutes ago

ive tryed removing the battery and repairing several times

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its a fairly new sensor probly 2 moths old. it worked befor then i nuked my home assistant os and reinstalled from new and now its doing this

sour shadow
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Tried a fresh battery?

tall tusk
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i can try but it says 94% befor becoming unavailable

sour shadow
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Battery level reporting is well known to be less than accurate

tall tusk
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seems to take alot longer to interview and configure then the other 3 sensors i have

sour shadow
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Did you pair it in place, or did you move it after pairing?

tall tusk
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im pair at my desk for now i dont have much of a mesh to worry about i have the hub and one other router

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in the same room

#

the interveiw timed out the pairing timer

tall tusk
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im new to this i only have 8 devices total including the hub and the 1 router

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ok so it just finished initializing and it has unk_model and manufacturer

#

and the sensor is still in pairing mode

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lol ive repaired this so many times im wearing the sharpy label i wrote on it

grim igloo
#

Sounds like you’re slowly realizing a zigbee mesh needs a mesh to work

tall tusk
#

4 leak sensors and 2 bulbs is too much?

sour shadow
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Should be fine, if the bulbs are actually routers - and things are relatively close

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Not all bulbs are routers

tall tusk
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im not sure either there hue bulbs

grim igloo
#

It could also be interference such as neighbors with a mesh Wi-Fi system or worse- your own

tall tusk
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my wifi occupys 1 thru 9 it says my zigbee is on 15

grim igloo
#

Are you using zha?

tall tusk
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yeah with a shy connect

grim igloo
#

Sounds like zigbee channel 25 would’ve been a better choice but it depends on an actual environmental scan

tall tusk
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agh so zigbee channels dont reflect wifi channels

grim igloo
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Is the skyconnect using a usb extender to move it away from usb ports and other interference?

tall tusk
grim igloo
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Well you want to escape a rack and other big metal things like a server case

tall tusk
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ok

#

trying to figure out how to change my zigbe channel lol

grim igloo
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You’ll need to re pair devices although I think the bulbs might jump over with zha

tall tusk
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mine as well do it now wile i only have 6 devices to pair lol\

grim igloo
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Yep

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You can do a scan first

#

Or maybe it’s in the diagnostic file now in zha

tall tusk
#

?

grim igloo
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To confirm the best channel with least interference

tall tusk
#

i have wifi analizer on my phone, it says 1-9 is taken up

grim igloo
#

Again, that’s Wi-Fi not zigbee

tall tusk
#

zigbee has a scan?

grim igloo
#

Zigbee scan from zigbee device shows zigbee interference

sour shadow
tall tusk
#

i dont see a Zigbee scan

molten linden
#

it should be toward bottom in the downloaded diagnostics file, you have to be a relatively new version of HA I think this landed in 2023.04 (maybe 03).

tall tusk
#

@molten linden ?? "energy_scan": {
"11": 84.164247274957,
"12": 28.30261646762903,
"13": 82.35373987514762,
"14": 93.76433891498253,
"15": 96.64469941013013,
"16": 78.25348754651363,
"17": 33.860880820104335,
"18": 92.0598007161209,
"19": 97.7033852118351,
"20": 97.97769123383605,
"21": 91.05606689948522,
"22": 52.75969252664325,
"23": 23.33483723001185,
"24": 13.711043742539033,
"25": 23.33483723001185,
"26": 95.69133648577223

carmine hamlet
#

so, you should be using channel 25

tall tusk
#

how do i change channel i havent found that either

carmine hamlet
molten linden
#

wait for the new beta there will be a button

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or search this channel for "console" for directions on how to do it now via web console

mystic terrace
#

Question. I'm using zigbee2mqtt with a flashed sonoff zigbee dongle. I have a sonoff hub that's been flashed to tasmota. Is it possible to use the hub as a repeater along with zigbee2mqtt and if so. How to i got about doing it properly? link to instructions or video ? or is it even possible ?

carmine hamlet
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Tasmota is Wifi, right? Then no, it won't act as a Zigbee router

tall tusk
molten linden
#

no that only influences new networks.

#

see above

#

for method to change and it will auto find the clearest channel

quiet gazelle
#

Anyone familiar with the IKEA FYRTUR Smart Blind? Connected to my Zigbee coordinator okay, but showing Unknown under RSSI and the control for up/down don't work from HA

sour shadow
#

Did you pair it in place, or did you pair it and move it?

mystic terrace
quiet gazelle
#

Originally on the 2nd floor of my house. My Zigbee Coordinator is on the 1st floor and I don't have any zigbee routers upstairs yet. I moved it back to my office right next to the coordinator and still not working. I removed the device from my coodinator and re-paired it downstairs

sour shadow
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You have to pair things in their final location - moving stuff ensures you break it 😉

tall tusk
quiet gazelle
sour shadow
#

If it's working, no

quiet gazelle
#

I just installed a Lutron Caseta switch upstairs. Definitely stand by how well those work so far! What would you suggest for repeaters upstairs? I was looking at getting some Zigbee light bulbs

#

Zigbee router devices I should say

sour shadow
#

Innr plugs work well for me, and others, but most mains powered devices will do

#

Sengled bulbs don't, and most two-wire switches or dimmers aren't either

#

Plugs are a safe bet

tall tusk
quiet gazelle
#

$38 a plug seems so steep tho....nevermind $38 a 2 pack

molten linden
quiet gazelle
#

Surprised Zigbee devices aren't cheaper. TP Link Kasa plugs are $10 each or less, but wifi 😦

molten linden
sour shadow
#

Buy Tuya, maybe buy thrice 😛

quiet gazelle
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haha not a huge fan of Tuya? Seen so many videos of those flashed with Tasmota using Shelly relays and what not

sour shadow
#

The Tuya WiFi that works with Tasmota/ESPHome can be ok, but it's made to a price

quiet gazelle
#

I guess live and learn...started my smart home journey on Samsung Smartthings hub v2 with TP Link Kasa and Smartthings

sour shadow
#

The Zigbee stuff can be great, or can be an utter shit show

quiet gazelle
#

So those Sengled zigbee bulbs don't work well as routers either?

sour shadow
#

No, by design

#

They expect people to cut the power to them

quiet gazelle
#

So Innr plugs and bulbs for the win?

sour shadow
#

Amongst other things

#

Your choices do depend on your country (hint, yours isn't the only standard on the planet)

#

I know folks in the UK, EU, and US, who use those and they're happy

mystic terrace
sour shadow
#

I know people who've bought CC2652 based routers - which aren't cheaper but do support more clients

quiet gazelle
#

Well I'm in the US so going for the best Zigbee that works

#

What's the preferred Zigbee integration, ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT? Also, when setting up my Zigbee network, I read that I should configure all the router devices first, then end devices so that each end device connects to the closest router, thoughts?

sour shadow
#

Personal preference really

#

Some people like it all in HA (use ZHA) some like separation (Z2M)

quiet gazelle
#

I just heard that Zigbee2MQTT has larger compatibility/support for devices

sour shadow
#

Well, it's better at documenting it certainly, and probably a new device will get support there faster

#

But ZHA nominally supports anything that's standards compliant (which is rarer than you'd think)

#

If you're buying non-Tuya Zigbee 3.0 stuff then it should all work on ZHA... probably

quiet gazelle
#

I just want the most reliable Zigbee network. I'm not opposed to gutting the coordinator and devices to start from scratch if there is a better process for adopting devices. Only about 20 zigbee devices currently in my house

sour shadow
#

Neither will make any difference to the reliability of your Zigbee mesh

#

Your mesh is more about your choice of coordinator, devices, and channels

tall tusk
molten linden
#

I haven't done it, but as far as I know, you just paste the lines from that post from Puddly into the console in developer tools. while you are on you HA page.

grim igloo
#

I thought you could just click reconfigure and change the zigbee channel during that process in zha

#

With only 6 devices it’s simpler to just start fresh it sounds like @tall tusk

#

You would’ve been done already

tall tusk
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lol just keep smashing Migrate radio>re-config current>{select radio}> Erase network settings and create new. till you get the desired channel

violet wave
tall tusk
#

when in the zigbee device screen what dose the reconfigure button do? it never seems to do anything for me

hidden bear
#

Hi, is this a good place to post zigbee2mqtt questions?
Having some strangeness happening with Hue lights -> zigbee2mqtt -> Mosquitto broker -> HA.

sour shadow
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Yes

hidden bear
#

Ok
So I decided to ditch my Hue hub and pair directly with zigbee2mqtt and have issues with most of the Hue lights not updating brightness in HA correctly.
Can set brightness to whatever in HA and the light does it, but then it shows up as brightness 0% if i reload the browser.

Getting loads of these errors in the MQTT logs in HA...

Invalid or incomplete color value '{'brightness': 175, 'color_mode': 'xy', 'linkquality': 96, 'power_on_behavior': None, 'state': 'ON', 'update': {'installed_version': -1, 'latest_version': -1, 'state': None}, 'update_available': None}' received for entity light.arbetsrum_skarm

If i check the light in zigbee2mqtt it shows the correct brightness and i can also set it there and it updates.

This only happens with Hue lights and a few of them even work like they should. Most of my lights are IKEA and they work great.
I even have one Hue Go light that works fine and another of the exact model that does not.

Tried re-pairing.

spring belfry
#

Hello, I have a question about how to expand my zigbee network and I wanted to know if anyone could advise me and tell me if it can be done. I have in Home assistant installed zigbee2mqtt with a USB sonoff dongle. Where I want to extend my zigbee network through an ethernet cable or lan connection at a distance of 70 meters since I cannot install zigbee repeaters in between. I am looking at this Zigbee lan router (https://tubeszb.com) I wanted to know if putting only 1 in router mode at the end of my lan network of the ethernet cable that I have put, could it include my already existing zigbee2mqtt network or do I have to put 2, one in coordinator mode by removing the sonoff usb dongle that I have and at the end of the lan network that I have, another in router mode? thank you.

sour shadow
#

There's no LAN router there

#

There are, in fact, no Zigbee routers that use the LAN that way

#

You'll need a second coordinator and to set up a second mesh over there, with a second Z2M install

half cradle
dark birch
#

I just noticed that my aqara air thingy reports: battery_percentage_remaining as an unsupported attribute, yet i still get an battery sensor with 100% battery level

#

is that expected?

woeful urchin
#

If so, get MQTT Explorer and see if that device is sending anything battery-related.

dark birch
#

zha

#

it's sending, voltage, size, quantity and alarm state. but the remaining is listed as unsupported

#

seems HA should not have added an entity for it. or at least with unknown value

#

Ugh.. "Unlike any other entity, PowerConfiguration cluster may not support
battery_percent_remaining attribute, but zha-device-handlers takes care of it
so create the entity regardless"

#

Soo.. seems it's forced to exist

tall tusk
#

Lol

#

Interference no moar!

#

I call it The Sky stick mod

austere patio
spring belfry
#

@half cradle yes.

dark birch
junior viper
last ruin
#

Z2M: I readded a Symfonisk IKEA E1744 sound controller but battery is not reporting even after 24 hours. The Reporting pane is empty. Can battery be reported when reporting pane is empty?

#

Do I need to add a PowerCfg cluster with batteryPercentageRemaining attribute perhaps? I thought that should appear automatically.

#

I tried adding the powercfg cluster but just got errors saying failed

light pagoda
#

new to HA + Zigbee (Skyconnect): is this supposed to show in the HA Log (not yet added an actual device yet, figured Id give it a clean startup first): ```
Logger: zigpy.backups
Source: /usr/local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zigpy/backups.py:202
First occurred: 16:29:21 (1 occurrences)
Last logged: 16:29:21

Failed to create a network backup```

pure saddle
#

General question: apparently Hue switches can only be bound to one thing (so either ZHA or a bulb), but I'd like an emergency device to turn on/off lights if for whatever reason HA dies/no longer comes up/whatever. Any suggestions?

molten linden
#

I would need to double check the behavior but when bound to coordinator it may be that there is a no-name group created which both the remote and the coordinator are members. adding a light/s to that group would let you control them with the remote and still see the events.

pure saddle
#

There's a "Default Lightlink Group" which only contains the endpoint (the Yellow's Silicon Labs EZSP)

molten linden
#

that would control all lights that listen for that group

#

hence default

pure saddle
#

Could I make a group with the coordinator, a bulb, and a switch, then?

#

If I disable the HA automation for the switch and it still works then that's the solution?

#

Or am I misunderstanding?

molten linden
#

technically yes

pure saddle
#

I would also be open to get, like, a 4- or 6-button switch and bind that to the important bulbs/groups

molten linden
#

though I'm not sure you can add the coordinator to the group through the groups UI. you can do it for sure with the js console and maybe with zha_toolkit

pure saddle
#

Ah, yes, you're right. The UI doesn't let me.

molten linden
#

a lot of the multi button remotes from tuya don't support binding

#

zha_toolkit addon might be the easiest path. it's been a while since I messed with the HA cli/console

pure saddle
#

I guess I should try with the default group before I start breaking things 😆

#

so - add light + switch, disable automation(s) for the switch, see what happens?

molten linden
#

all non 3.0 zigbee lights likely listen and will answer to that group command

pure saddle
#

so just disable the automation for the switch and it'll turn everything on?

#

(or "should")

#

...ok, that doesn't do anything

open warren
#

Could someone help me with trying to get Zigbee2mqtt working on a windows virtual machine, or provide some documentation to it? I've looked and can't find exactly how to get my Device to show up in virtual box.

river onyx
#

anyone using the aqara t1 pro cube? i have it connected to my ZHA and i'm able to use a blueprint to control stuff, but, for some reason, the battery always reads unknown%. would like to see how much battery is left

#

is this a standard type of thing for zigbee devices or does it depend on the ZHA support to make it show up?

pure saddle
serene hill
#

I've got 4 sengled white bulbs that don't seem to retain the last state it was in. I'm trying to get it to stay warm white, it keeps reverting back to white light.

#

all bulbs are the same version, nothing different. I've put them in a group in zigbee2mqtt, used that to change the temp, but they aren't operating in unison

#

4 bulbs

mental river
#

Hi Everyone,

I just started building my Smart home with Home Assistant. Currently using a Thin Client (Dell Opti-plex 3040) running HA Operating System.

I have a question:
I already have SONOFF Zigbee Bridge and Child devices.
I wanted to go completely LOCAL.

The options i saw online are buying Zigbee Dongle and pairing all my devices.

My Question is: What happens to my existing Sonoff Zigbee Bridge? Can i use it ? Or do you really have to buy Sonoff Zigbee dongle?
If buying dongle makes much sense, i am Okay with it. Can we also make Zigbee Bridge as an extender (to extend my zigbee home network) if i buy Zigbee Dongle?

Sorry, if its not the right place to ask question. Please help me or route me to correct channel.

thanks.
Charan

grim igloo
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The zigbee bridge is a piece of shit just toss it after moving over

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No zigbee coordinators worth using have a Wi-Fi interface

mental river
#

My current HA client is on 1 side of the house. If I ditch the bridge, how do i get more range to the other end of the house?

grim igloo
#

Look at the pins in this channel for some options on replacing it

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Sounds like a PoE coordinator placed more centrally located would be good

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Otherwise you just create a mesh with zigbee devices acting as routers like most powered devices such as bulbs do

mental river
#

Would that be reliable? I noticed sometimes the automations dont work when signal is repeated via mesh devices.

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I cant tell for sure, since i am currently on Cloud based integration.

grim igloo
#

Would what be reliable

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Are you asking me if I’m giving you bad advice?

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Lol

mental river
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nope, not at all. I am very new to this HA platform

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Just trying to understand basics

#

About the reliability question: I meant,
Currently i have 1 plugged device in between motion sensor and Zigbee bridge.
Sometimes, the lights wont turn on, I am not sure if its trying to send motion detected signal directly to bridge, or via plugged in zigbee device (router)

molten linden
#

Zigbee is a mesh network the routing devices are there to help extend range and repeat messages. The Wi-Fi bridge is generally not considered good for zigbee as Wi-Fi in close proximity to zigbee is known to cause interference. If you are seeing intermittent issues it’s likely interference

mental lantern
#

Hello guys,
I have my skyconnect dongle in the middle of my house but its a pretty big space and some zigbee devices that are more far from the dongle dont work as intended because they are out of reach. What is the best range extender for the skyconnect network? Im not using m2qtt or any custom zigbee network, im only using skycloud 1.0 from the skyconnect dongle. I read some people say that you can use sonoff usb dongle as a repeater by flashing firmware. Will this work with the skyconnect zigbee network? Thanks for the help in advance

molten linden
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Get some zigbee plugs. Or you can go the route of a flashed sonoff. There are dedicated routers/repeaters by ikea and tuya (avoid as it is known to black hole traffic) and myself (cc2652 based like the sonoff).

half cradle
#

I second @vale cliff better version of skyconnect

#

I'm loving it

half cradle
mental lantern
sour shadow
#

You need router firmware for it

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There is router firmware for the P, not sure about the E

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You just have to dig to find it

tall tusk
mental lantern
tall tusk
#

im not sure whats going on but my devices dont stay connected and its a royal pain to resync them sometimes not finding the device or finding half the device. i thought maybe i had too many devices and not enough routers so i deleted some and now i cant add any thing back. i saw on the git hub some people were having issues with there sky connect after v5. i pulled the diag file to see if that was the case https://pastebin.com/hVbXkktB

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its not interference, i taped a fiberglass rod to the pc im running HA on and zip tied the sky connect like a mast

molten linden
#

How long was HA up when you downloaded this diagnostics file? You are on a decent channel for your environment but it’s pretty noisy all around.

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One thing to look at in the diagnostics is this counter:

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"PHY_CCA_FAIL_COUNT": {
"__type": "<class 'zigpy.state.Counter'>",
"repr": "Counter(name='PHY_CCA_FAIL_COUNT', _raw_value=140, reset_count=0, _last_reset_value=0)"
},

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If value grows consistently

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It’s interference

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Those are the number of packets that the coordinator couldn’t send do to noise/interference

spice dust
#

hello, someone have a frame capture or a way to capture zigbee packet with only one dongle zigbee ?

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this is for the deconz integration

quiet gazelle
#

Tinkerer around this morning? Just wanted to let you know I ordered a 2 pack of those Innr plugs and they're amazing, thank you!

#

Paired with the Zigbee coordinator fast, acts as a router, and stable as ever so far

sour shadow
#

Lots of people have been very happy with them

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They may not be as cheap as Tuya, but they work... and work well

quiet gazelle
#

Yeah I rapid fire switched it on/off in HA and it never disconnected either. Very promising so far!

dusty moss
#

Hey guys! Has anyone encountered any Tuya zigbee device variants that simply... Skipped the OTA cluster/endpoint?

I've got a https://zigbee.blakadder.com/UseeLink_SM-SO306EZ-10.html variant off of Amazon - the main difference is the model number (SM-SO306M instead of SM-SO306EZ-10), and that it has "universal" sockets instead of fixed EU/UK ones. By default it reports the sockets as lights (which I've fixed with a custom quirk), however, there's ZERO out clusters available. Is this commonplace with Tuya Zigbee devices? Or did I run into a botched/clone model?

sour shadow
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Tuya devices not following the standards.... nope, never seen that before ... 🤪

dusty moss
#

And still weird that they'd block OTA updates

dusty moss
#

Ah well, sending it back to Amazon, and going for the known good Xenon option.

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I just wish the UK had the powermeter-enabled models 😮‍💨

sour shadow
#

Salus SP600... hard to get, but they do that

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Only Zigbee 1.2 though

dusty moss
#

That's a single socket. I need a 4-gang at least 😄

#

One of the variants of the aforementioned Tuya does have power meter capabilities, but I can't seem to find that in the UK socket variant

austere patio
spice dust
#

That's why i search cap

austere patio
#

Only way with a Conbee is to flash new firmware onto it, which will make it unusable for normal network operation at the same time

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Pick up an nRF52840 stick, they're cheap and work well

half cradle
#

@quiet gazelle what plugs did you get?

spice dust
#

Okay, i cant in the time i have...

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But can you tell me how reset a dongle ?

quiet gazelle
half cradle
#

had them lying around, but they are frustrating at my house. I can bring to my office with way less interference probably

quiet gazelle
#

I literally plugged them in yesterday, told HA to scan for Zigbee devices, picked it up in like 10 seconds and haven't had them drop off at all

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I started my smart home with TP Link Kasa, but those are wifi, so trying to get everything Zigbee and localized. I was having issues with some other Zigbee devices dropping off, so those plugs were recommended to me as they act as routers/repeaters to extend the Zigbee mesh network

sour shadow
#

I have about 8 or 10 around the house, all of which have had their firmware updated on them

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Currently on 20220712

half cradle
sour shadow
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One of them, and only one, has glitched a couple of times, but not since I updated the firmware

half cradle
#

just their stock firmware, right?

sour shadow
#

Yup

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There's little other choice with Zigbee devices

half cradle
quiet gazelle
#

@half cradle I've tried the cheaper route, and it doesn't seem to pan out very well. Just causes more frustration and aggravation

half cradle
#

yea, I hear you

quiet gazelle
#

I didn't realize the firmware can be updated on the Innr plugs? Not sure how that's done

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I just plugged them in straight out of the box lol

half cradle
#

ohhh, through zha config, right?

sour shadow
#

Z2M prompts you about it

quiet gazelle
#

I use ZHA

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@half cradle $55 a switch? Gets expensive quick 🙂

sweet maple
#

Hi, I've bought a Woox R7060 (irrigation control) and trying to join it to my zigbee network but it doesn't seem to join the network. I'm using zigbee2mqtt 1.30.4 with a Sonoff CC2531 and zigbee2mqtt set to permit join all. When I press the red button on the woox a few seconds it starts to blink but zigbee2mqtt doesn't report any joined device. The log file of zigbee2mqtt is also empty. How can I find out more why it doesn't work? All I found in the internet was that it should work out of the box
update: nvm, unpluggin the CC2531 then restarting zigbee2mqtt helped and the Woox joined the network

half cradle
#

for non dimmers

half cradle
onyx pagoda
#

hey. cleaners misplaced (or most probably threw out) my aqara button. my only sliver of hope is that it still shows up on the Z2M interface, albeit with LQI of a mere 9. does that mean that it's still around somewhere? or just the most recent info it has on it?

sour shadow
#

Z2M also shows when it last heard from it

carmine hamlet
sour shadow
carmine hamlet
#

Small, fast, and have a manual button that some others lack

half cradle
onyx pagoda
# sour shadow Z2M also shows when it last heard from it

can't find where it's supposed to say that, but I found in the logs:

2023-05-24 18:57:36MQTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/AqaraButton', payload '{"action":null,"battery":100,"device_temperature":29,"linkquality":9,"power_outage_count":9,"voltage":3155}'
from ~30 mins ago, while they left a few hours ago

edit: never mind, all my devices say N/A regardless of their whereabouts

carmine hamlet
half cradle
#

Nobody has one that is both, right?

sour shadow
onyx pagoda
serene hill
#

Tinkerer sorry for the multiple questions - what would be the best way to troubleshoot why my sengled white bulbs can't seem to stay warm white when they are turned on? I have the same bulbs in another room, and they do as they are told.

sour shadow
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If they're changing then look and see what's causing that

serene hill
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They just stay white - i can change them, but when they turn back on they revert back to white light

sour shadow
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Ok, so their firmware is set that way

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Are you cutting the power, or turning them on and off with services?

serene hill
#

I was doing both - but I'm keeping it powered on 100% of the time now, going to turn off and on the bulbs

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with consistent power

sour shadow
#

If you cut the power you're relying on the power on behaviour - I'd guess you've got different firmware versions/settings on those bulbs

cedar nimbus
#

Anyone had issues with relays just shutting down as soon as enabled? - Have reached somewhere no matter what in ZHA i add a device (Relay) when i power it up it just shuts down again no log of automations does it - had the same relay reset i can switch it manually and it stays on conncted to ZHA and after powerup it just shuts down - moved to Zigbee2mqtt now it works (With anohter network) on same HASS - i tried both Zonoff ZBMini and Aqara T1 with neutral? Exactly the same power on 5 seconds after poweroff.. I have a total of 16 devices its after i add device 17 it happens.. REALLY strange

tall tusk
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im trying to set up z2m but it keeps not crashing
[17:09:48] INFO: Preparing to start...
[17:09:48] INFO: Socat not enabled
[17:09:49] INFO: Starting Zigbee2MQTT...
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-05-24 17:09:50: Logging to console and directory: '/config/zigbee2mqtt/log/2023-05-24.17-09-50' filename: log.txt
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-05-24 17:09:50: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.30.4 (commit #unknown)
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-05-24 17:09:50: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.111)
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-05-24 17:09:50: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-05-24 17:09:50: Failed to start zigbee
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-05-24 17:09:50: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-05-24 17:09:50: Exiting...
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-05-24 17:09:50: Error: spawn udevadm ENOENT
at Process.ChildProcess._handle.onexit (node:internal/child_process:285:19)
at onErrorNT (node:internal/child_process:485:16)
at processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:83:21)

sour shadow
# 
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-05-24 17:09:50: Error: spawn udevadm ENOENT
``` it can't find the stick at the path you gave it
tall tusk
tall tusk
#

i did 'ls -l /dev/serial/by-id' and it says its at /dev/ttyUSB0 but it docent like it still

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and when i turn on herdsman debug it says
Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2023-05-24 17:47:09: Using zigbee-herdsman with settings: '{"adapter":{"concurrent":null,"delay":null,"disableLED":false},"backupPath":"/config/zigbee2mqtt/coordinator_backup.json","databaseBackupPath":"/config/zigbee2mqtt/database.db.backup","databasePath":"/config/zigbee2mqtt/database.db","network":{"channelList":[11],"extendedPanID":[221,221,221,221,221,221,221,221],"networkKey":"HIDDEN","panID":6754},"serialPort":{"adapter":"ezsp"}}'
2023-05-24T21:47:09.881Z zigbee-herdsman:adapter No path provided, auto detecting path

grim igloo
#

leaking pan id and extended pan id is bad too fyi

#

now is a good time to change them all

# 
4. Take the time now to find a good Zigbee channel (and where possible use a ZLL channel - one of 15, 20, or 25)

For those of you that love your videos, see DigiBlur's video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9lC0Mse0K4
fathom ginkgo
#

Anyone know why my aqara zigbee sensors are unresponsive after a migrate from SD card to SSD. Everything else is working just fine. I can't even reset my sensors to factory settings and try find them when searching for new devices?
Do I need to re install my ZHA integration?

austere patio
tall tusk
grim igloo
#

what fixed it?

lime goblet
#

Anyone have the issue in ZHA where you do not have the option to delete a device?

unborn orbit
#

Any way to cancel an OTA update in Z2M? I've got three devices stuck for days now

ashen bluff
cedar nimbus
mellow geode
#

Or is the issue somewhere else?

bold nymph
#

Hey, can you please suggest me some zigbee bulbs?

With brightness and temperature controls, bright accurate colors with high CRI, power on state, and won’t put my wallet on fire (at max 10$ each)

rapid dawnBOT
#

Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

  • Which country you're in
  • What your budget is
  • What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
  • Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
sour shadow
#

What country?

#

Not that you're going to get high CRI for under $10 USD

#

You can have a high CRI and brightness, or you can have cheap

bold nymph
#

Saudi

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Can you suggest with under 10$

And above 10$ but with high cri and brightness

sour shadow
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High CRI is Philips Hue

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Maybe Innr

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Under... not sure, Ikea Tradfri are good for the price but I doubt they're all under $10

violet dagger
bold nymph
violet dagger
#

whatever IKEA charges and up

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if you find a cheaper bulb with a Tuya logo on it it will be crap lighting or it will die sooner than you'd hope

half cradle
#

well, I got a bunch of inovelli as well

violet dagger
#

Not the same thing at all

half cradle
#

thats, good 🙂

half cradle
#

@molten linden when will that poe device get thread and matter?

molten linden
half cradle
#

trying to buy things that will be upgradeable to matter later where I can.

fair mountain
grim igloo
#

At this point matter feels all but DOA

#

Best case it’s still beta

half cradle
#

I'll lean towards that

fair mountain
slate leaf
#

Hey guys, does anyone here own some sort of zigbee gate opener switch with magnetic sensor?

chrome valve
#

Hey, i thought its smooth to activate ZHA and use the Yellow Zigbee Moduel in parallel to my Z2M Integration with a Conbee 2 Stick to migrate one device after the other. But the Integration fails to start. I thought it should be possible as the internal Zigbee and the Conbee 2 are different radio types on different channels?

potent heart
#

I'm reading through the zigbee integration page and recommended hardware https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#recommended-zigbee-radio-adapters-and-modules

Is it recommended to have a usb dongle in every room where I have a zigbee device? Or will one central one work if I'm in a really small 1 bedroom apartment?

If I decide to get additional radios in the future, are they all compatible with each other? Or do I need to buy the same model I originally bought for them to be able to operate together

grizzled kettle
#

Generally you would only have one dongle no matter your house size, and you would have enough devices that are mains powered repeaters to get mesh coverage to your entire living area. For a 1 bedroom, a single central dongle is probably sufficient to cover the entire thing, but maybe an addional repeater in the other room would be helpful. Depends on your particular interference environment/house construction.

potent heart
#

Great, does the dongle need to be plugged in to whatever device is running HA? Or does it just need power

#

Or I guess, is there any upside to doing so

grizzled kettle
#

For most definitions of "dongle" it would either need to be plugged into HA, or some other suitable computing hardware (like a pi) that can run zigbee2mqtt.
There are some networked zigbee radios that can live standalone, and the communicate over ethernet to HA, but they are not as common.

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I would plug it into the HA computer unless you have a particular reason not to.
Also its recommended to be plugged in with an extension cord, not directly, due to interference.

potent heart
#

Got it, I'm running it on a VM and just wanted to know if I needed to do usb passthrough. It won't be on a VM forever though

grizzled kettle
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you probably would need passthrough in that case. or some other non-virtualized computer to run it.

potent heart
#

Radio module and bridge are the same thing right?

grizzled kettle
#

you should probably be more specific about the question. those terms are not set in stone.

potent heart
#

If a sensor says it needs to be used in conjunction with a zigbee 3.0 bridge, a radio module like the skyconnect is acting as that bridge?

sour shadow
#

Yes

#

Though it's more that the SkyConnect (coordinator) and ZHA are acting as that bridge

potent heart
#

Perfect, just making sure I'm buying all the hardware I need to get set up

#

Don't want to start setting it up to realize I forgot to one one thing that won't ship for two weeks

half cradle
#

No, not that, wrong link. Lol

dry radish
#

I went with GLEDOPTO ZigBee 3.0 Mini 5 in 1 LED Strip Controller Pro in order to keep my light strip in zigbee protocol and it worked great, I think I'll give WLED a try if it adopt ZigBee protocol in the future.

potent heart
half cradle
#

No api!!

#

No integrations, ruled out. Lol

white eagle
#

Hello, will my Zigbee stick (Nortek) mesh with other Zigbee hubs in my home, such as Hue? My HA server is in an office far away from the main area of my home

molten linden
#

Nope it’s one coordinator per zigbee network. If you need the extend range you’ll need routing/repeating devices like plugs/bulbs or dedicated routers.

white eagle
mental lantern
#

I now have another challenge 😂
I have 20 zigbee devices connected via skyconnect and I want to be able to control them via alexa voice commands like Alexa check if all Doors are closed or turn off the coffee machine plug. How can I do this? I have alexa media player integration and my HA is connected to the cloud using the painfull method through AWS. Thanks in advance

sour shadow
mental lantern
#

Short answer is I need to create a skill for every device or iteraction?

sour shadow
#

You need a skill, yes

#

I doubt you need one per device/interaction

mental lantern
#

Thanks, will investigate and report back

sour shadow
urban jetty
#

Hi Tinkerer, i just received my Zigbee Hub like you recommand. i order SONOFF ZigBee Dongle USB 3.0 Plus, Coordinateur EFR32MG21. Im looking how to integrate into home assistant but i found nothing.. Can you guide me or give me a way ?

sour shadow
#

Can I suggest you read the topic of this channel?

#

It lists your options, though really only the first one applies given the coordinator you picked

bold nymph
#

Hey, how far should the coordinator be from the wifi router?

#

And what about the tv and other devices?

austere patio
#

The farther the better. Are you having specific problems?

bold nymph
#

not yet, I just ordered one

#

because I have the server (aka an old laptop) in my tv cabinet

austere patio
#

Make sure to put the coordinator on a USB extension cable and move it away from interference sources (including USB 3.0 ports). You should be fine if you do that.

bold nymph
austere patio
#

Probably not but it's not a good idea to plug it straight into a laptop, use a USB extension cable

celest hare
#

Hello, I just purchased a new SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus-E and when I plug it in to home assistant (OS version) in a raspberry pi 4 is not recognized as a new device, even after restarts. I'm i doing something wrong?
It's connected directly on the pi, tried on usb3.0 and usb2.0 as well

#

Do I need to flash it or preset it on the PC first?

sour shadow
#

You should at least put it on a USB extension cable. You may also need to use a powered USB hub to avoid power issues.

celest hare
#

How is the extension cable gonna make any difference?

#

All the youtube videos are saying plug and play directly on the pi

sour shadow
#

Zigbee and USB 3.0 is a really bad mix

celest hare
#

wtf, didn't know that

#

thanks for that

#

But anw thats for the signal. The Home Assistant OS is not adding the device as a "New Device Discovered". However it does show the USB and SONOFF details in the System->Hardware

#

tty

sour shadow
#

Have you tried setting up ZHA?

celest hare
#

nope, whats that?

ashen bluff
celest hare
#

It says that I already have it

#

"Already configured. Only a single configuration possible."

austere patio
#

That would be why the stick won't show up in discovery. What coordinator are you currently using?

celest hare
#

Conbee II

#

How can I remove that?

austere patio
chrome valve
#

I would be nice to have such a guide for Z2M migration to ZHA

austere patio
#

That would be impossible, Z2M and ZHA don't maintain the same device info

#

But you can always pick the "Keep existing network settings" option when setting up ZHA with the same coordinator and it will discover many existing devices on the network over time

chrome valve
#

My current problem is that i dont get ZHA running. Is it necessary to stop Z2M before starting ZHA integration?

austere patio
#

Yes. The two can't talk to the same radio at the same time

chrome valve
#

Ok, i thought i can set up ZHA with internal HA Yellow radio in parllel in order to ease the migration

austere patio
#

If you are using Z2M with one coordinator and ZHA with another, that would work. They just can't both use the same one.

twin gazelle
#

going to be expensive though

chrome valve
austere patio
#

Did you ever set up multi-pan/multi-protocol/Thread?

chrome valve
#

Yes its enabled

austere patio
#

Did you ever uninstall the addon (if you haven't, don't)?

chrome valve
#

you mean z2m?

austere patio
#

No, the SiLabs Multiprotocol addon. If you enabled multiprotocol and uninstall it, ZHA won't work.

chrome valve
#

No, the addon is active

austere patio
#

When you are setting up ZHA, which serial port are you picking?

chrome valve
#

Give me second i am restarting HA

chrome valve
austere patio
#

You should see another option for the multi-protocol addon

chrome valve
#

Yes, socket://core-silabs-multiprotocol

austere patio
#

Pick that one instead, it should work. It may take more than one attempt to connect in rare cases.

chrome valve
#

I get a Unknown error occurred

austere patio
#

Try it a few more times, it'll work assuming Z2M isn't also trying to talk to the same radio.

chrome valve
#

There is an error in the log

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Logger: aiohttp.server
Source: components/zha/radio_manager.py:178
First occurred: 20:58:10 (26 occurrences)
Last logged: 20:59:40

Error handling request
ConnectionRefusedError: [Errno 111] Connect call failed ('172.30.32.1', 9999)

#

Full error is to long for DIscord

austere patio
#

Is the addon running?

chrome valve
#

Yes this is the end of the log

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[21:02:39] INFO: zigbeed ended with exit code 1 (signal 0)...
[21:02:39:554214] WARNING : In function 'property_get_single_endpoint_state_and_reply_to_pending_open_callback' in file /usr/src/cpc-daemon/server_core/system_endpoint/system_callbacks.c at line #174 : Property-get::PROP_ENDPOINT_STATE aborted
[21:02:39:554291] WARNING : In function 'property_get_single_endpoint_state_and_reply_to_pending_open_callback' in file /usr/src/cpc-daemon/server_core/system_endpoint/system_callbacks.c at line #208 : Could not read endpoint state on the secondary
[21:02:39:556150] Info : Client disconnected
[21:02:40] INFO: Setup OTBR firewall...
[21:02:40] INFO: Starting otbr-agent...
otbr-agent[4065061]: [NOTE]-AGENT---: Running 0.3.0
otbr-agent[4065061]: [NOTE]-AGENT---: Thread version: 1.3.0
otbr-agent[4065061]: [NOTE]-AGENT---: Thread interface: wpan0
otbr-agent[4065061]: [NOTE]-AGENT---: Radio URL: spinel+cpc://cpcd_0?iid=2
otbr-agent[4065061]: [NOTE]-ILS-----: Infra link selected: eth0
[21:02:40] INFO: Starting zigbeed...
[21:02:40:241071] Info : New client connection using library v4.2.2.0

austere patio
#

And you're 100% positive Z2M isn't also trying to connect to /dev/ttyAMA1?

chrome valve
#

I think it should not, z2m is running with a ConBee 2 on another serial port

#

Do i need to change the configuration in the Silicon Labs addon? ttyAMA1 is there selected

austere patio
#

No, that's correct

#

Try restarting the addon and then re-connect from the ZHA setup dialog in about 30s

chrome valve
#

ok, what also occurs since last HA update to the latest release that the Open Thread Border Router Integration failed to connect

austere patio
#

It connects to the same addon. If that fails to run, neither integration will work.

chrome valve
#

Now i can setup ZHA, and create a new network, i can select EZSP

austere patio
#

Yes

chrome valve
#

After restarting the Addon

#

Cool , ZHA integration is now configured and OpenThread Border Router works also again

#

Should all ZHA radio setting kept in the standard?

austere patio
#

Which ones are you referring to? The network settings like the PAN ID, channel, etc.?

chrome valve
#

When i hit the configure button from ZHA integration

austere patio
#

The defaults are randomly generated unless you've used the radio with Z2M, in which case you'd get a warning about the network key

chrome valve
#

Ok, Zigbee Channel 25 is used now within ZHA

austere patio
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Can you download a copy of the ZHA integration's diagnostics JSON and post the energy_scan section?

rapid dawnBOT
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@chrome valve I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
austere patio
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Thanks!

chrome valve
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What does it say?

austere patio
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That channel 25 is a good channel 😄

chrome valve
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😄 👍

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What is the indicator for that, a low value?

austere patio
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It's an arbitrary percentage from 0-100%. The readings with multi-PAN aren't correct but they are good enough to help pick a channel automatically.

chrome valve
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Now i have a lot of work to migrate 70 Zigbee devices but i going to try the first one

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Thank you for your help to get it running

austere patio
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A simpler thing to try would be to delete the ZHA integration, disable Z2M, set up ZHA with the Conbee, and then let it run for a few hours. It'll read the network settings and hopefully pick up most, if not all, of your bulbs and other devices that aren't battery-powered. You can then use the radio migration feature to migrate the Conbee network to the Yellow's Zigbee radio.

chrome valve
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Ok, sounds interesting to save time! I thought its not possible to migrate from Conbee to EZSP radio as i can not create a backup which creates a coordinator_backup.json where the docu is refering to

austere patio
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Ensure your Conbee is running a recent firmware version and ZHA will make a radio backup when you start it up, automatically. That same backup can be restored to the Yellow.

chrome valve
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ok, will give it a try, i have the latest conbee firmware installed

queen grove
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Hi! VERY quick question; when doing a zigbee firmware update, is the number highlighted in the log below a percentage ticking up to 100?
2023-05-26 20:24:16.049 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.zcl] [0xE5A1:1:0x0019] OTA upgrade progress: 15.8

austere patio
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Yep

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If you're updating a battery-powered device it can take hours

queen grove
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Nuts. I was really hoping that wasn't the case- thanks for the hand!

austere patio
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If it's something with buttons, you can continuously click those to speed it up. If it's a sensor with acceleration, you can shake it. The OTA update shouldn't interfere with anything though.

queen grove
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Clicking it speeds it up? Huh, rightyo. It's one of those Ikea single shortcut button units

austere patio
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I'd just forget about it for a few hours but if you're impatient, it'll take a few thousand clicks 😄

queen grove
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Yeah I'm not really gonna be using it yet since I'm waiting on some plugs, the only real impact rn is it stopping me showing off my test automations to mum :P

austere patio
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Hmm, as far as I can tell OTA updates should be completely invisible. Are you saying it doesn't work while the update is happening?

queen grove
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Yup, seems that way! I managed to get one action out of it earlier, but that was about it

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It was reasonably buggy out of the box though, so it might be a button issue. Not sure though as it was working reasonably fine up until the ota update

chrome valve
austere patio
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More will be found over time, ZHA just has no idea what devices are on the network and discovers them as they periodically send updates. You can speed it up by going to the Visualization tab of the integration and clicking the "Refresh Topology" button. This will scan all neighbors of all known devices, which should find more in a few minutes. It's run automatically every few hours.

chrome valve
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Thanks for the tip. Once i've migrated all devices and create a backup in order to prepare the migration to EZSP can it happen that a re-pairing is neccessary?

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Or is the most work to get now all devices to ZHA?

austere patio
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For some battery-powered devices yes, some don't wake up often enough for ZHA to be able to figure out what they are if they're already on the network and configured. You can sometimes just remove the battery and put it back in, but some will need to be re-joined. Once the automatic backup is taken (it already happened when you started up ZHA), you don't need to do anything else. Just run the radio migration flow and select the multi-PAN addon. You should see two backups to restore when you get to that stage, just pick the most recent one.

chrome valve
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I am a bit more relaxed as it sounds that it is much less work as expected before

ocean cloak
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How can I "ping" a zigbee device to see if it's available?

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Seems like it's not possible for battery powered devices?

faint smelt
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Is there a tool that can help me generate ext_pan_id for Z2M?
Also, I am trying to configure Z2M with environment variables instead of yaml files, so ZIGBEE2MQTT_CONFIG_ADVANCED_EXT_PAN_ID would contain this value, but the data is a list, so does this expect a json-formatted list? the Z2M docs are unclear on this.

grim igloo
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I’d ask in their discord

faint smelt
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ah I did not know of this, i'll go take a look

bold nymph
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Hey, is there a device that works as a dedicated repeater, other than a plug, a smart switch or a bulb?

Because I have an 8-10 meter corridor in between rooms and I don’t need a zigbee device there (like a plug or bulb etc)

grim igloo
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Yes but they’re considered pointless over a device that has a function and repeats

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Smart plug with nothing attached is pretty slim

bold nymph
grim igloo
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for the us?

bold nymph
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Uk

grim igloo
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cant go wrong with a philips hue smart plug but no power monitoring

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ah

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sorry i dont have any suggestions for uk. you should be able to find a decent one on zigbee2mqtt's products page

bold nymph
grim igloo
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yes they should all say on the product page. a good rule of thumb is if it is mains powered it should be a repeater - the only exception that i know of is sengled bulbs do not repeat

bold nymph
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You guys have a proprietary everything, measuring systems, plugs shapes 😂

grim igloo
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who

bold nymph
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America

faint smelt
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it even still doubles as a usb phone charger lol

sour shadow
bold nymph
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Unfortunately ikea in my region doesn’t have it

glacial zinc
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Is there a way to bridge Zigbee over a long distance? I want to have some sensors in my garage, but the range is going to be an issue and I don't want an entirely independent HA setup if at all possible

ashen bluff
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Define long

glacial zinc
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I guess it's not just distance but terrain. I should have been more specific. 25m? But there's brick & hill obscuring most of it. I'm having some issues meshing wifi out there, so I have little hope for Zigbee

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But like a Zigbee-WiFi vpn style tunnel would be an option

tall pike
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Do you have a physical connection (eg. Ethernet cable) to that location 25m away?

glacial zinc
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No. That requires digging and drilling. I have considered it though. I think I can get wifi to mesh there though, by sticking the hotspot up in the rafters. So any Zigbee nearby will struggle, so I can't reuse that location for a Zigbee extender I don't think

carmine hamlet
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If you can get your WiFi network out there, you can set up a separate zigbee network out there with a RPi+coordinator+Zigbee2MQTT. WiFi is not an ideal network connection, but it may work.

grim igloo
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A point to point wireless link could be reliable if there is line of sight

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You can get away with old cheap ubiquiti nano loco m2 devices

azure ruin
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This is a bit outside HA, but I thought the folks here might know. I have a RapidSE Zigbee USB stick that I would like to communicate with. I am trying to use zigpy-cli but I do not know the correct radio type. I know it uses a silicon labs chip. Any advice on how to get this working, even manually in Linux?

molten linden
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Silicon Labs is the ezsp radio type - however, I doubt based on a quick look at the sticks data sheet that it is running an ezsp firmware. so I do not think it will work without compiling and flashing a compatible EZSP FW - which may or may not be possible.

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EM357 is also a very old chip - would recommend using a newer radio

azure ruin
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@molten linden Thanks for looking. Do you know any way I can get info from this device? It is (was?) paired with my solar array but is no longer in use, different monitoring will be installed but I would like to see if I can still read from the USB stick.

molten linden
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you could try bellows info command

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but again required ezsp fw to communicate so if it doesn't work or throws an error that will be the case.

violet wave
dawn hatch
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hey guys. i just paired an aqara door sensor with my zigbee2mqtt. but the device ist not showing up in home assistant / Mosquitto broker. has someone an idea why? 42 different devices work properly

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paired it a third time and now it shows up 🤷‍♂️

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seems that there is an issue with the name and two ü

queen grove
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Whelp, that Ikea tradfri button doesn't register clicks at all post-reset. Pairs, but home assistant can't seem to hear it

digital aurora
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hello i am new to hass and i want to make a alarm to replace my xiaomi mi app i tried to add my hub with miio but i don't get the trigger alarm option so i was thinking to create my own alarm with alarmo but i don't have a siren do you have a good siren with no power cable that i could get?I am in greece my budget is 100euros

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and i use zha

sullen berry
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hello, iam using z2m on ha, on a nuc with sonoff dongle E, i have 4 sonoff zigbee switches with no neutral, one of them is constantly loosing connection to coordinator, when i load the map the device its there but disconnected. here is my map. I have very few devices.

carmine hamlet
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That dongle is not recommended for Z2M

molten linden
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no-neutral also likely means end-devices and not routers. so make sure you have a mesh with some routing devices

fathom ginkgo
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Hello. I am having some trouble with my ZHA integration after migrating to SSD. All my zigbee devices has stopped responding. I have tried rebooting, restarting and also tried deleting the integration and reinstalling. But the integration will not configure properly anymore. I only get an error message when I chose the option to "erase network and create a new network"

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Anyone know what could be the issue?

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I use a Conbee II

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If I try to load old network it wont initialize, it just says Failed to set up

austere patio
fathom ginkgo
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2023-05-28 01:25:44.741 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.gateway] Couldn't start deCONZ = dresden elektronik deCONZ protocol: ConBee I/II, RaspBee I/II coordinator (attempt 1 of 3)
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/gateway.py", line 205, in async_initialize
2023-05-28 01:25:58.232 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.gateway] Couldn't start deCONZ = dresden elektronik deCONZ protocol: ConBee I/II, RaspBee I/II coordinator (attempt 2 of 3)
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/gateway.py", line 205, in async_initialize
2023-05-28 01:26:11.704 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.gateway] Couldn't start deCONZ = dresden elektronik deCONZ protocol: ConBee I/II, RaspBee I/II coordinator (attempt 3 of 3)
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/zha/core/gateway.py", line 205, in async_initialize
2023-05-28 01:26:11.712 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.config_entries] Error setting up entry ConBee II for zha

This is the errors I'm getting

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I could try a USB cable, sure. Didnt know an SSD could cause that much interference. It worked smoothly before, and it sits in the same spot as before

austere patio
fathom ginkgo
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Right

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I'm stoopid. I plugged it in the wrong usb port after installing the SSD

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It works now. I didn't have to use my usb extender

carmine hamlet
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You should anyway

digital aurora
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hello i am new to hass and i want to make a alarm to replace my xiaomi mi app i tried to add my hub with miio but i don't get the trigger alarm option so i was thinking to create my own alarm with alarmo but i don't have a siren do you have a good siren with no power cable that i could get?I am in greece my budget is 100euros

foggy niche
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Hey all, so I've had my HA setup a few weeks with my Zigbee 3.0 USB and all of a sudden it's now coming up as "failed to setup" It was working absolutely fine until a couple days ago... the log is showing... Error setting up entry SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus V2 for zha

foggy niche
manic loom
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Should I get the SkyConnect or ZZH?

potent thistle
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Hi, I connected a philips hue wall switch to my zigbee2mqtt network. I am just started with using zigbee2mqtt

the following happens:
if i place the philips hue wall switch next to a zigbee repeater, it connects perfectly and functions correct. (first floor)
If i want to pair it on the ground floor, it is not found even there are multiple "router" modules there.

if i first pair it at the first floor and move it to the ground floor. It is showing in the map overview that it connected to a router but it is not working?

What am i doing wrong? See picture below for the overview of the network:
https://imgur.com/a/eKgo4eC

grim igloo
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Always pair at final location or hope it gets new routes later (hue is surprisingly good at it)

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What are the router devices on the map? What brand/model

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Also make sure you’re pairing it and not binding it which it sounds like might be happening

potent thistle
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but it is strange that i get status with a lot of information like firmware version etc. and now i only get this: https://imgur.com/a/IK3c7bF

grim igloo
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Yea it didn’t include correctly if stuff is missing

potent thistle
rustic laurel
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hey,
I just bought a deconz conbee2 from a friend (it was working before) but when installing on my HA says 401 unauthorized, any idea? (already google it without sucess 😦 )

sour shadow
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What are you trying to use with it?

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ZHA? Zigbee2MQTT? deCONZ?

rustic laurel
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deCONZ

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installed the add-on, the conbee was detected

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i start the add-on and when I try to Open UI it says unauthorized

sour shadow
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Honestly... that's the worst choice you could make

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Use ZHA

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(and put the ConBee on a USB extension cable)

grim igloo
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weird way of spelling in the trash

sour shadow
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The ConBee isn't actually the worst stick

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That's reserved for the CC253x sticks

grim igloo
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ya but for like $20-$30 i cant justify suggesting people use it over other options

rustic laurel
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humm

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if it always worked before, it should be something on my brand new installation that is missing I guess

bold nymph
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Is the zigbee usb dongle considered a zigbee gatway?

carmine hamlet
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It's called a 'coordinator'

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'Gateway' is a term for usually cloud connected coordinators sold by device vendors for exclusive access to their devices

bold nymph
carmine hamlet
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Yes

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While he didn't actually answer your question, it's highly likely

unkempt cove
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Is there a "straightforward" way to replace a Zigbee sensor? I've had one fail, I want to swap one in with the same entity names etc so I don't have to change all the dashboards etc and so it keeps the history?

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(it's the one I have measuring outdoor temps so the history is useful)

violet dagger
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Join the new one and manually change the entity names

sharp kraken
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Hi everyone, I am new to HA and just have added the first two lights to HA. Both are Lidl/Silvercrest color and white bulbs. I integrated them using zha with a HA SkyConnect. The color temperature slider is off, it is warm somewhere around the middle and cold at the ends of the slider. Setting a color doesn't work at all. I searched the Forum but I can't find anything. Any hint or help would be appreciated.