#zigbee-archived

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grim igloo
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Oh god no

austere patio
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SkyConnect comes flashed as a normal Zigbee stick, same as any other. If you want to switch it to the experimental multi-PAN firmware later on, that's always an option

hearty ibex
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Ah, interesting

grim igloo
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He said quirks and I got scared

austere patio
grim igloo
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Tuya, the gift that keeps on giving

unreal sedge
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It makes things cheap, but also a pita

grim igloo
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I’ll never suggest a tuya product to anyone

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I’ve got a lot of hate in my heart but I’m not evil smile

hearty ibex
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I just ordered the sky connect

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When that arrives, I'll also switch to a different channel

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I got to say, this LQI pattern looks a bit suspicious. Goes from 50 to 250 and then back down

spring relic
# austere patio Search in https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues for an issue about...

Ahh thanks. The ts0601 - tze200 seems to be somewhat similar to the ts-0601 tze204 the main thing seems to be that it's missing the switch. Is there some documentation you could suggest on how I best go about interrogating the device to ensure I'm getting the right attributes etc? I can't even seem to get data out of it in the "manage zigbee device" page where I can read all the id's etc which is currently throwing me. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be able to see the data there or if there's some other query mechanism. Any pointers appreciated, thanks for the help :)

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I found a new clue to tug on, if there's no good spot to send me to help clue me up, I've can muddle forward with what I've found for another few hours probably

rare fractal
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Hi,
I currently run Home assistant on a raspberry pi with this usb dongle
SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle... https://www.amazon.de/dp/B09KXTCMSC?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
as a Zigbee gateway.
I'm very happy with how it perforce, so I want to add more smart functionality to my home. But I'm concerned about range. Is it possible (or recommend) to more gateways like this one https://www.amazon.de/NOUS-E7-ZigBee-Gateway-Bridge/dp/B0054PSKVM/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?adgrpid=71666625832&gclid=Cj0KCQiAq5meBhCyARIsAJrtdr4pK__TeNfYFyZsQhAelMzPVLrsD9CINtL6LACaD7E0nHHQd9yjcPAaAqL5EALw_wcB&hvadid=606885782780&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=1004234&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=797513332788415876&hvtargid=kwd-1466373456638&hydadcr=18406_2294815&keywords=zigbee+gateway+poe&qid=1674024075&sr=8-5
Connected via ethernet?

hollow chasm
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The way to add more range is by adding more routers, which are things that are wall powered, e.g. smart plugs, switches, bulbs, etc

spring relic
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Is there a good way to do "bigger leaps" ... I want to switch my water pump, but it's behind a water tank, ie about 5m out of the range of the nearest router....

south moth
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What is the best signal repeater to work with Sonoff P? I have 2 ikeas but ZHA/network keep loosing them, however crazy it sounds

spring relic
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How far away are they from your sonoff?

south moth
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One is about 3 meters, and it's ok. The other one is on another floor, about 15 m.

spring relic
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there's no way you need a repeater for that distance.

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you've checked your wifi isn't on the same channel as your sonoff? And you have usb extension cable?

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RE my performance, seems I had too many addons -- influxDB was eating a lot of memory making evvveerrrryyything slow.. seems faster after killing it.

unreal sedge
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Depends what's in between the routers

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If it's multiple concrete walls it could hamper it

spring relic
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only 15m though? Even the worst of the worst wifi will go through multiple concrete walls over that distance

sour shadow
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And ... this channel is about Zigbee

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While they may share the same frequency band you can't compare the two. Zigbee is (a lot) lower bandwidth and (a lot) lower power.

spring relic
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ok, I'm still new, thanks for correcting me. My experience so far suggested 15m should be a no brainer to work.

sour shadow
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15 meters of open air, sure

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15 meters of obstructions, no

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Real world says that about 6 to 8 meters is normal

spring relic
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For our super low bandwidth requirements for command/control/sensing.... why on earth isn't there a better standard that gives us decent range.... Do we really have to hack up our own lora hardware?

sour shadow
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Zigbee handles range with the mesh, that's the whole point

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Same as Z-Wave

rare fractal
spring relic
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How do I get my signal to my water pump outside?

sour shadow
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Three options:

  1. If you can run PoE then a remote coordinator
  2. A high-gain pair of custom routers
  3. Don't use Zigbee
rare fractal
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Does HA support multiple coordinators?

spring relic
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Is there an example you know of of said 'custom routers' ?

sour shadow
sour shadow
rare fractal
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I will look into this.

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Thank you very much for your time and help.

unreal sedge
sour shadow
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Hence... about

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I have drywall here (UK) and 6 to 8 meters is what I can reliably get. I can get further, but signal quality is weaker and angles play a bigger part

unreal sedge
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if only radio signals could go arround corners right, like just flow like water. that'd be great

sharp berry
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How would I go about forcing one of my Aqara temp/humidity/pressure sensors to join a specific router in ZHA?

quartz flume
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Hey ppl, so, i have a question on how you guys do it, and how would be the right way to do.

So, the scenary: i have a zigbee network working fine, and i want my single RGBCW lamp to turn on in some hours with determined potency, and other with more potency.

Right now what i have done is to control the energy for the lamp i have a zigbee relay, so the home assistant two times a day i turn the relay on, define the potency of the lamp and then turn off.

But this is having some problems, because when i turn the relay on, sometimes the lamp exits the network, so the logic fails. Is this the norm or i got a low quality lamp?

Another solution i thought was to just leave the energy for the lamp always on, and using automations on the relay turn on/off the lamp. Is this the norm? Is this how people control the smart lamps?

Is there another ideia?

How do you guys solve this kind of problem?

Thanks 😄

sour shadow
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Is that a Zigbee bulb you're turning on and off with a relay that's controlling the power to it?

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Because, if so, that's really not how to control a smart bulb

sharp berry
quartz flume
sour shadow
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Right ... don't do that

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It's a smart bulb just control the bulb

quartz flume
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Ok, so if my central (homeassistant, hub, whatever) is down or break, it happens?

sour shadow
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  1. Don't break it
  2. Plan better for that?
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Cutting power to smart bulbs is asking for problems

quartz flume
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Sounds good, im asking just to understand how others think about it

sharp berry
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General Zigbee question…do Zigbee networks re-route? Is that what everyone means by “settle”? For instance, if I have a battery-powered Zigbee device that connects through router device B which is way further away than router device A, will this battery-powered device in time change to route through router device A?

sour shadow
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Smart bulbs should only be controlled by a controller, not by cutting power to them

sour shadow
sharp berry
sour shadow
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It's more complicated than that, but ... kinda

sharp berry
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I still pair everything where it will be located to help, but still hilarious that some of my Aqara sensors are pairing through routers in the next room over when there’s many routers they could choose from in their room.

sour shadow
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Aqara's Zigbee 1.2 devices pair to the first thing they hear

sharp berry
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Oh well. Kinda don’t wanna bother with pairing the ones I’ve already got parties cause they’re a PITA.

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If they start dropping I’ll just do it then. 😂

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Still trying to pair three temp sensors and striking out. Read that channel 25 & 20 are good for Xiaomi sensors. Sadly, I have everything already paired on channel 15 in ZHA

sour shadow
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15 is fine too

sharp berry
rapid dawnBOT
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@sharp berry When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

mellow geode
jagged estuary
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And the IKEA Tradfri bulbs work 101% with Zigbee? Cause I'm gonna buy a few and I don't want to be regretting this decision after.

sour shadow
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Yes

maiden urchin
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With the new Skyconnect i am thinking about adding zigbee/matter switches into my home. Does anyone have a recommendation for a light switch with a separate dimmer button (not just built into the rocker itself)

rapid dawnBOT
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Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

  • Which country you're in
  • What your budget is
  • What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
  • Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
maiden urchin
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US/budget hasn't been factored in right now this is still fact finding and planning phase/ protocol z-wave or zibee/matter, Dimming with a seperate button and 3 way capable

strong mason
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Is it normal that zigbee sensors get "stuck" and just quit reporting changes, with z2mqtt and HA never realising they're disconnected or anything's wrong?

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My sonoff temp sensors seem to love to just... stop. They don't ever show up as disconnected, I never get any error, they insist the battery's fine, they just turn into a perfectly flat line on all graphs.

sour shadow
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If you don't enable Availability that can happen

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The Sonoff sensors though are particularly bad for doing that

strong mason
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Yeah i'm noticing >/... seems like I shot myself in the foot and saved a penny to spend a dollar later on something that's actually reliable.

sour shadow
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Don't buy Tuya

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Don't buy Sonoff sensors

strong mason
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Unfortunately since I'm in the not-rich part of the middle east those are basically my options lol

sour shadow
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Xiaomi Aqara

strong mason
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Do they have an official storefront on ali?

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Or is it "Aqara" there, kinda like how the 5 year old storefront is "Sonoff"

sour shadow
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There's dozens of sellers, no official storefront

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(and by dozens, I probably mean dozens of dozens)

strong mason
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So no one that's officially theirs like what VKB does but it's probably actually xiaomi aqara if the storefront's stats aren't awful

pulsar vault
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So I'm currently using the zigbee plugin to sync all of my devices. If I make the switch to zigbee2mqtt, will that require repairing of those devices? My other question is if I should uninstall zigbee plugin before installing mosquito? Most of the guides that I can find don't have zigbee plugin installed so they don't cover that case.

sour shadow
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If by plugin you mean the ZHA integration then yes, you have to remove that before Zigbee2MQTT can use the coordinator

pulsar vault
strong mason
cunning fable
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is there a straightforward way to 'reconfigure' the way the network is linked, or will it do it itself over time? one of the first routing devices I had is now the furthest away from my co-ordinator physically

sour shadow
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Well, don't move devices around is a good plan

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If you do though, what happens depends on the brands you've got, and the generation of Zigbee they use

strong mason
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So I shouldn't put a zigbee temperature and humidity sensor on my dog's collar?

sour shadow
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Zigbee 3.0 stuff and any routers should re-route relatively quickly

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Zigbee 1.2 end devices from Xiaomi probably won't, ever

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Other Zigbee 1.2 end devices may, or may not

pulsar vault
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I went ahead and made the move from zigbee integration to zigbee2mqtt. Before I did that I downloaded a ZHA backup from the zigbee integration. Can I use that to get all of my devices back or do I need to manually sync them all again?

cunning fable
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thank you for the info, the only way to force it would be to re-pair in the location?

sour shadow
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Well, that's fine for the router, but what about all the end devices that are/were connected to it?

sour shadow
cunning fable
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hm yea I guess go routers first then end devices

sour shadow
cunning fable
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screenshot that network map before starting then 😄

sour shadow
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You could check now, and see if anything is still connected that probably shouldn't be

cunning fable
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it's not that stuff has moved, but the first device I had was the opposite side of the house, and have since acquired (alternative perspective: hoarded) many more to fill inbetween

sour shadow
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You could also wander around all the end devices and trigger them to report, to see which don't work any more

cunning fable
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thinking it would probably make sense to re-link everything now that every bulb is always-on

vale frost
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I have a question regarding using zigbee devices in an outbuilding that is too far from the main network. I have my HA box and Skyconnect coordinator in the house running Z2M. Is it possible to install a RPi running another instance of Z2M with it's own coordinator in the out building on the same LAN and point the mqtt traffic to the broker running on my HA box in the house?

sour shadow
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Yes

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You can also deploy a network connected coordinator to the out building

vale frost
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I thought you could only have one coordinator per network?

sour shadow
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Yes... but you're not asking about a single Zigbee network

vale frost
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zigbee network that is

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Oh, I see. Just use the network coordinator but use the RPi in the house?

sour shadow
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Yes, or ... not a Pi

vale frost
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I think I'm getting confused. I do still need something to run a separate Z2M instance correct? To my knowledge it's not possible to run two on my HA (though I know I could run ZHA with the other coordinator)

jolly narwhal
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You can run as many instances of z2m you want with a container install

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With haos, you are always limited to whatever the developers want

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But anything but a pi would be a good option

vale frost
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That's what I'm currently running (HAOS), which is why I figured use separate hardware to run the other Z2M instance and use an zigbee usb dongle I already have.

unreal sedge
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when it comes to zigbee stuff, tuya is amongst the worst with pairing, aqara a bit better, various other chinese stuff being a gamble. and then just expensive european stuff being known good but obviously more expensive right. 'cause i'm a cheap bastard but i don't want to save 30% on the price only to hate it every step allong the way

jolly narwhal
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Never had issues with aqara in 4 years

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Tuya ZigBee is fine

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At least plugs

unreal sedge
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good good, so conflicting experiences by everyone then :p

sour shadow
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Aqara's Zigbee 3.0 stuff is solid, their 1.2 stuff can be problematic

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Sonoff's end devices are junk, and Tuya is a minefield

unreal sedge
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findign plugs is going to be the most anoying bit probably. i don't think aqara shucko plugs exist (that i can find)

sour shadow
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Innr

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Tradfri is fine, as is Salus, but Innr are rock solid (and Zigbee 3.0)

jolly narwhal
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Tradfri is fine if you only need on off

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But all my Tuya ZigBee with monitoring are fine too

jagged estuary
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Do the IKEA styrbar work with zigbee over HASS to their tradfri rgb bulbs?

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With color change support and dimming

jolly narwhal
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You don't need the ikea hub

shy gull
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Hello, I have a Innr RGB strip connected via ZHA/Zigbee. It works fine, but I'm curious if there's a way to create custom lights effects (like a blue-to-green timed fade) in any way. It's not a WLED device.

I'm willing to code if necessary but I don't know where to start or what to look for. I've been looking in the documentation but I'm not sure I'm looking in the right places.

jolly narwhal
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Sure, you can do python script for example

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Might be better ways

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But that is the last thing I did for timed fades

shy gull
jolly narwhal
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Seems like someone did a blueprint too

jagged estuary
shy gull
jolly narwhal
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I guess? I haven't tried the new hub

unreal sedge
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there's blitzwulf tuya stuff

strong mason
jolly narwhal
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I do 700w with Tuya ZigBee

strong mason
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I'll trust tuya for door sensors, but the hell if I'm trusting them with 5500W

unreal sedge
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yeah i'm not planning to switch motor stuff with it aside from a few pumps maybe

jagged estuary
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Like with a coordinator

jolly narwhal
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Tradfri stuff works with z2m and zha yes

stable dawn
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Hi all, are there any newbie resources I can refer to? I am just getting started and I have read the reddit wiki on r/homeautomation , and now looking for beginner information on what hardware I actually need.

I have set up home assistant core on my Nexus 7 tablet, since it's so hard to come by a RPI.
Thank you in advance

strong mason
grim igloo
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Idk about that…

stable dawn
grim igloo
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Not running it on a tablet is a good start though

sour shadow
stable dawn
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I know and have used docker for work, but don't have an extra computer

sour shadow
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A second hand PC from the last decade will be miles better

strong mason
stable dawn
sour shadow
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  1. It's a fucking tablet
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  1. See one
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  1. No, really
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You've also gone pretty far outside of what's supported for running HA

strong mason
# sour shadow 3) No, really

Like using a pocketknife as a screwdriver. Yeah you physically can do it... but you're gonna wreck that knife pretty fast and probably need stitches.

grim igloo
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The tablet can be reused as a home assistant dashboard if it’s fast enough

sour shadow
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Run a VM for HAOS on your actual computer

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Or buy something

raven jewel
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Ethernet access for your home automation hub is pretty much required.

stable dawn
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Oh boy. I spent some hours on getting it to compile on the tablet

sour shadow
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Well, that should have been a sign

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That and the absence of any official documentation covering it

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If you're having to follow some janky guide then it's time to reconsider your life choices

carmine hamlet
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sounds like you're one of the "run doom on the Macbook's touchbar because..." kinda person 🙂

stable dawn
grim igloo
sour shadow
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Wifi is for mobiles, and tablets, and laptops... not servers

raven jewel
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It will, but it's really not recommended

sour shadow
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Smarter choices:

  1. VM on any existing computer
  2. Docker on any existing Linux computer
  3. Buy something from the last decade
stable dawn
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I may be able to use an old MacBook air, how resource intensive does HAOS get?

sour shadow
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Not very - it runs on a Pi3 after all

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Hopefully that air either has wired networking, or you can attach a USB ethernet adapter

grim igloo
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I feel like if you put half the energy you put in to reading the wiki on r/homeautomation and getting hass to work on a tablet with better information here you’d already be way further ahead

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Live and learn

strong mason
rapid dawnBOT
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@strong mason When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

stable dawn
strong mason
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... really discord devs? That's an idiotic design decision

sour shadow
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Yes, it is

strong mason
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and here I thought this was just mirc with smileys

sour shadow
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If only

strong mason
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Let me see if there's a betterdiscord plugin for this

sour shadow
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There is, I use it

stable dawn
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So once installed on a vM on a computer, what else do I need?

sour shadow
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What do you want to connect? Zigbee devices?

jolly narwhal
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Are we running HA on tablets now

sour shadow
stable dawn
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Yes, from what i read that's what I want to go to

sour shadow
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I'd recommend one that's CC2652 based, and probably one that's (wired) network connected

strong mason
sour shadow
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No

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Did you turn it on?

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It's obvious if it works... it turns the ping off... you don't even need to hit send

Just use your eyes 😛

strong mason
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It needed some time to load up I guess, and I figured it was doing some shenanigans on the back end.

lilac wharf
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my brand!

stable dawn
sour shadow
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And when you're not on a tablet you'll actually be able to use it

waxen lynx
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hi all, received my first zigbee stuff and trying some things out: sonoff zbdongle-e as coördinator and an Aqara magic cube T1 pro. using ZHA for now since Z2M does not have support yet for this device + I wanted to start out with something built in HA.

so far: sonoff stick detected immediately and was also able to discover the cube device. took some presses though, but it now found it. Also deleted it once and repeated and found it immediately.

then I went in developer tools and started listening to zha_event => there I got a nice series of events when turning, flipping sides etc. But after like 11 events I no longer get events in.

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any idea what I should do. sitting 2 meters away from the stick in my basement to try it out. but seems like it suddenly stops firing events

strong mason
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Related to that, what actually is the deal with sonoff and their dongles? People either love or hate them, no inbetween. I keep seeing so many articles and posts about how sonoff is the worst of the worst when it comes to zigbee.

waxen lynx
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I just notice that when I do a click on the cube button that one does register (got the little cap open right now)

jolly narwhal
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As a company, they make a lot of shit

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Their ZigBee coordinators are fine it seems

waxen lynx
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but so only the presses on the internal button register, no longer the flip/shake/whatever events

jolly narwhal
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But I would never buy one

sour shadow
stable dawn
rapid dawnBOT
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@stable dawn When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

jolly narwhal
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HA alone will consume no more than a few megabytes

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Or, the config directory will

strong mason
jolly narwhal
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The container will do a few hundred megs last i checked

stable dawn
grim igloo
unreal sedge
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the glances integration is pretty neat for seeing what's using memory and/or storage

strong mason
grim igloo
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there's some furry drama stuff if you google them

stable dawn
strong mason
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of course there is

grim igloo
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but gaben fits into that category too

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anyways back to zigbee fun

strong mason
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Indeed. So who's good for sensors then since sonoff's QC is about as good as DeWalt's

grim igloo
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hue is gold standard for motion/temp/humidity but they're 40+ each

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aqara door and window sensors are pretty popular and work good, i have a handful

stable dawn
strong mason
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I

raven jewel
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I find temperature sensors in a motion sensor are in the wrong place to get good data

strong mason
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've only used Sonoff temp and humidity sensors, and moes and tuya door sensors

raven jewel
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Motion sensors are often best high up in a corner, and the temperature is best measured where people are/would be

grim igloo
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i'm suggesting hue sensors for motion, they just happen to have a temp and lux sensor built in

jolly narwhal
strong mason
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the sonoffs have been a pain in the ass, they love to just stop responding for no reason without disconnecting or being dead. Moes door sensors are alright but they're kinda touchy about spacing. Feels like it's because they're a ton of hollow space. Tuya's door sensor funnily enough felt solid and has so far had really dependable registration, fast response, and good battery life.

waxen lynx
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is there a place where I can see the raw logs of zigbee traffic?

strong mason
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One of my moes door sensors killed a battery in like 2 days but that might be because it's outside in the cold.

stable dawn
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I read Amazon echo also does zigbee as a hub, but I'm not in the favor of letting Amazon listen in to m my conversations

grim igloo
grim igloo
strong mason
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For motion what I've heard is the Everything is the best by far.

grim igloo
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heard by youtubers sent beta units of diy devices that are put into a 3d printed package?

stable dawn
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Also, for smart bulbs I got sengled RGB ones but it says it only works with Alexa. Any chance it can be made to work with ZigBee?

jolly narwhal
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LOL

strong mason
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You know of anything else with near flawless response for false positive and false negative and almost centimeter level precision?

jolly narwhal
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I haven't had a single false positive on my aqara sensors Shrug

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And they always trigger

grim igloo
strong mason
# stable dawn Also, for smart bulbs I got sengled RGB ones but it says it only works with Alex...

RGB bulbs tend to have pretty bad TM-30 ratings. Actually most smart bulbs have pretty bad light quality, even if their CRI is gamed they still have a poor R9 and TM-30. Imho it's best to separate RGB from bulk lighting. For your actual task and house lighting make the fixture smart at the switch or plug and then put in a good quality light. Then when you want RGB throw some cheap 2813's on WLED with an ESP32.

lilac wharf
stable dawn
strong mason
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I think part of the hub thing is because manufacturers ALSO play silly buggers with their hubs. Sonoff's page has complaints from their stuff not working with other hubs for example, and tuya's as well.

lilac wharf
grim igloo
lilac wharf
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|| or Deconz ||

grizzled kettle
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The Sengled bulbs that say "works with alexa only" I believe are Bluetooth though, not zigbee.

stable dawn
grim igloo
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ah

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touche, i havent researched anything sengled after learning about their zigbee bulbs

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i like the idea of cheap bluetooth sensors but bluetooth lights are gross

austere patio
grizzled kettle
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A few months ago I used to always see these cause amazon would sell them for like $0.99 for special sale. At the time though it always was asked "can it work with HA" and the answer always seemed to be no. I haven't checked since the BTHome stuff came out though.

waxen lynx
stable dawn
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Okay, so what are recommended bulbs for zigbee? My use case right now is primarily white daylight during the day and softer yellowish light at night, and controlling on and off remotely using ok Google.
I don't really care about the other RGB colors but it's an interesting gimmick

grim igloo
lilac wharf
stable dawn
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Yes hue is too expensive 🥲

stable dawn
grim igloo
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you also want to look for "ambiance" or "cct" since you want ability to change color temp

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you can either buy rgbw-cct or just white cct

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how many bulbs are we talking?

stable dawn
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Thank you! Any example listing I could compare with?

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Like 6-10 to begin with

grim igloo
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i dont like suggesting wifi bulbs for the entire house but if you just want a couple the athom wifi rgbw-cct bulbs are reasonably priced

grim igloo
stable dawn
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Hue is like $60

grim igloo
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I don’t have any rgbw bulbs of theirs just ambiance

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For rgb I use wled on an esp32 with led strips

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A lot easier to justify a $15 bulb

waxen lynx
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ok for every action I perform on this aqara cube thing I do get a line in my debug log:
2023-01-18 20:40:54.713 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.application] Received a packet: ZigbeePacket(src=AddrModeAddress(addr_mode=<AddrMode.NWK: 2>, address=0x4BE7), src_ep=2, dst=AddrModeAddress(addr_mode=<AddrMode.NWK: 2>, address=0x0000), dst_ep=1, source_route=None, extended_timeout=False, tsn=206, profile_id=260, cluster_id=64704, data=Serialized[b'\x18\xc7\nI\x01 \x02'], tx_options=<TransmitOptions.NONE: 0>, radius=0, non_member_radius=0, lqi=255, rssi=-21)

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so does the fact that this does no longer trigger a zha_event has to do with template for this device?

#

I no longer get these zha_event though:

2023-01-18 20:20:32.635 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.core] Bus:Handling <Event zha_event[L]: device_ieee=54:ef:44:10:00:62:c7:bf, unique_id=54:ef:44:10:00:62:c7:bf:3:0x000c, device_id=87c27a4733221c05cf07fb41137580bf, endpoint_id=3, cluster_id=12, command=rotate_right, args=relative_degrees=130.3099822998047, params=>
2023-01-18 20:20:33.006 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.core] Bus:Handling <Event zha_event[L]: device_ieee=54:ef:44:10:00:62:c7:bf, unique_id=54:ef:44:10:00:62:c7:bf:3:0x000c, device_id=87c27a4733221c05cf07fb41137580bf, endpoint_id=3, cluster_id=12, command=rotate_right, args=relative_degrees=29.820003509521484, params=>
2023-01-18 20:20:33.609 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.core] Bus:Handling <Event zha_event[L]: device_ieee=54:ef:44:10:00:62:c7:bf, unique_id=54:ef:44:10:00:62:c7:bf:3:0x000c, device_id=87c27a4733221c05cf07fb41137580bf, endpoint_id=3, cluster_id=12, command=rotate_right, args=relative_degrees=3.1899991035461426, params=>

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hmm and now without doing anything really I do get zha_event again in my logs

grim igloo
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Can you use dpaste.org to share code snippets please

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Or use code blocks in discord if they’re small

waxen lynx
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yes apologies. it was more than anticipated

grim igloo
#

Btw I’m curious why you decided to buy the pro model

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It’s very similar to the older generation which has been supported for a long time

waxen lynx
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yeah well I also start to wonder now 🙂

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but since it's newer and it's still a gimmick. so I guess somebody will figure out how to support it properly in the near future

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and I think the old cube doesn't have the numbers on each side (like the eyes of a dice)

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currently it registers shake and rotate left / right events

jolly narwhal
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I just painted the sides of my daughter's cube

waxen lynx
#

there seems to be a trick to change modes for it. pressing 5 times this button, but nobody exactly knows how they pulled it off

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for some it works, others tried 30 times and then it started working, and I'm still in the category of people where it keeps failing 🙂

#

fun device for my very first zigbee exerpience

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the aqara TVOC and temp/humidity sensor should arrive on Friday, these should be supported

jolly narwhal
#

I have one of those, never had issues

waxen lynx
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hey attempt 50 seemed to have done something

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now I clicked like 8 times very quickly and suddenly getting a zha_event "flip" 😉

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like anybody else now I don't dare to touch that button again

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slide, flip, rotate left, rotate right, shake, knock register now

grim igloo
waxen lynx
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closing the lid on this bloody device 🙂

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yeah well it's a nice thing to toy around.

grim igloo
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I have three original cubes they are really neat

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I use shake = toggle area lights, twist left = 20% decrease brightness, twist right = 20 increase brightness

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Better than using Siri and I don’t have smart switches in a couple rooms for multi tap actions yet

waxen lynx
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well I think I have some use for them. my wife won't use them and will make fun of me again, but then again she always goes like "what's wrong with a normal light switch"

grim igloo
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My mom came in town and actually liked it compared to voice commands or going over to switches

waxen lynx
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but it's for my 11y old son, he can control the colors of his led strips above the bed, lights on/off, close the shades.

grim igloo
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Yep

waxen lynx
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and if it works stable I will order another one to put on my desk for quickly controlling things there

grim igloo
#

You’ve seen the nice blueprint for them right?

waxen lynx
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or in the kitchen to toggle some scenes, close the gate etc

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I didn't load any blueprints yet

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only looking in developer tools listening for zha_event 🙂

#

I'm actually sitting in my concrete basement now because my HA server is there and I don't have any zigbee reception upstairs 🙂

grim igloo
grim igloo
waxen lynx
#

yes planning on that one.

grim igloo
#

i'd buy one before they go out of stock again 😛

waxen lynx
#

but I actually have a 5 meter extender usb cable that I can use to bring it upstairs and hide in a closet

grim igloo
#

idk how that will work with voltage drop

waxen lynx
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haha I sure kept the link 😉

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well cable is attached right now and seems to work

grim igloo
waxen lynx
#

ah that's for zigbee2mqtt

jolly narwhal
#

Long live zigbee2mqtt

waxen lynx
#

got it set up now with zha, but was planning on going z2m

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but since that was even less supported for this cube I just wanted to try with zha

grim igloo
#

i think there's a zha equivalent but i'll let you do the googles

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looks in mirror and questions himself after agreeing with atx

waxen lynx
jolly narwhal
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Less supported? Z2M doesnt need explicit Support for devices, if a similar device exists it will just work is my experience

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I've never had a device not work in z2m

grim igloo
pulsar vault
sour shadow
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Yes, with separate coordinators

waxen lynx
#

ok actually pulled the usb cable to the living room already and now have reception here. will test coverage around the house this weekend.

jolly narwhal
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There is no gain in running multiple meshes

waxen lynx
#

I added my feedback to the github issue, maybe it is of some use to some other guy that is getting frustrated by this thing 🙂

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I enjoy it already tapping it on my mousepad and just looking at the events coming in 😉

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@jolly narwhal and @grim igloo so you both have aqara cube working with Z2M ?

grim igloo
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Yea the original

waxen lynx
#

I just did some quick tests with manual automations with zha and that works fine: just basic stuff: if knock toggle a light

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not looking at sides etc yet

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but since I want to go for Z2M anyway I don't think I want to spend time using the blueprints

jolly narwhal
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Yeah, I have never had issues with the cube in z2m, the original one

waxen lynx
#

I'm now just afraid that if I migrate to Z2M I will have to pair the device again

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or can I migrate the network from ZHA to Z2M without re-pairing the device?

grim igloo
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i think you can do it the other way around?

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puddly made it somewhat painless to go z2m to zha iirc

waxen lynx
#

I hope there is also an easy way to debug Z2M events if I'm stuck again in the wrong mode

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now I could just listend to zha_event and see what it produces live

raven jewel
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You can check the state of the entity that tells you the action

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sensor.cube_1_action for me, for example

waxen lynx
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ok and that provides all the raw data from that event?

raven jewel
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It tells me exactly what action was performed. But there are a number of sensors that I can also use if needed.

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tender kraken
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Hi guys, wonder has anyone experience unstable connection with Sonoff dongle plus-e? I have usb extension cable plugged in, but some devices would drop off occasionally. Have to restart Z2M to rejoin. Had no issue with this setup with CC2531. Only reason I upgraded was some newer devices not fully supported.

waxen lynx
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this cube is really awesome, easy to set up with these out of the box blueprints

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dimming my light now with rotation and knock toggles it

grim igloo
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Cool

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So how did it go from not working to working?

waxen lynx
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only god knows

grim igloo
#

Jebus works in mysterious ways

waxen lynx
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this new cube has 2 operating modes. and in this default mode you only get rotate and shake events. but by pushing the button 5 times you can switch the mode. and all of a sudden all the events started appearing

grim igloo
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I see

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Good to know if others have that issue

waxen lynx
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but the tricky part is that nobody really seems to know the exact sequence for pushing this button 5 times. for some it worked right away, others had to try multiple times or had to give up

grim igloo
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So when in doubt clicky clicky clicky?

waxen lynx
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yeah

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will switch to Z2M soon, probably this weekend

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and if I break the mode again, I will just push the buttons randomly again until the mode is fixed

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but then need to make sure I have a debugging screen available where I can see which events it sends

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first time I used a blueprint too, makes things very easy

grim igloo
waxen lynx
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when I built the house I made too many light groups. all built-in led spots with DALI drivers and have groups of max 4 led spots each. a total of 108.

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so have a lot of individual control possibilities, but in practice it's hard to bind those to a switch 🙂

grim igloo
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Not familiar

waxen lynx
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well just constant current 3000k white leds, but the LED drivers support the DALI protocol. And the house is KNX so I have a DALI KNX controller. Basically I can address each light and everything through cable connections, no zigbee/z-wave or other RF stuff.

grim igloo
#

Is Dali using dmx or some other proprietary protocol

waxen lynx
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KNX also support scenes, so have basic scenes (light groups in practice) set up. And knx is decentral way and so not dependent on any central controllers

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so if my HA server is down or my network is down the house still operates well with the normal, basic functions

grim igloo
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You built this from scratch? Is it a castle 🏰?

waxen lynx
#

no castle, but a new house indeed and I like a clean look and not too many loose devices

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they are tiny, also have a 1W LED for night lighting built-in , and are KNX

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also have built in temperature and light sensor

grim igloo
waxen lynx
#

so I have feedback of a lot of sensors in HA, but not really doing much with it

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haha yeah problem with Basalte stuff is that they are quite expensive

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I think you can make the hardware for 10 euro/usd

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but they go for 170 or so each

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you can have them in different finishings, brushed alu, even stone

grim igloo
#

You trying to adopt me?

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It’s working

waxen lynx
#

capacitive stuff and a led cross which you can control the color from

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so went for a stable knx setup and now adding other sensors and stuff but only for optional stuff

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as I don't expect this aqara cube to last 20 years

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meanwhile: slide up/down for my blinds seem to work well.

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slide down: start down movement / slide up: start up movement / knock: stop movement / rotate left: decrease slats position / rotate right: increase slats position

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maybe I can make some transparant stickers with icons to put on the cube

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oh recall on that: only have 1 slide action and not "slide up" or "slide down"

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question: how do your cubes react if you just pick them up and set them back on the table on a specific side?

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in my case it then doesn't trigger an event

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but if I leave them on the table and flip sides, then it does

raven jewel
#

You have to try to trigger the action

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It's not supposed to trigger if you say pick it up and wave it around, or are just tidying up

waxen lynx
#

but reading the little manual I think it has to do with these modes

raven jewel
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It's hard to describe but essentially the period of time between "was not sensing any motion" and "senses something that seems to be an action" has to be quite short

waxen lynx
#

I find it really difficult to trigger a 180 degree flip

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but I understand that you don't want to trigger things when you pick it up to move it or clean

raven jewel
#

I find it helps to pick it up upside down. As in, turn your hand, pick up the cube, and then as you pick it up turn your hand up the right way and start setting it down.

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So when you pick it up, your index finger is closest to the floor and little finger is up, if that helps.

waxen lynx
#

yeah not really succeeding in that one

raven jewel
#

Maybe that helps 🙂

waxen lynx
raven jewel
#

I usually just use my thumb and index finger and sort of roll it over.

waxen lynx
#

I'm now in this action mode and I think factory default is the scenes mode

waxen lynx
#

now I think they could tweak the firmware a bit to make the allowed interval a tweakable parameter

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in scene mode it appears you can pick it up and just put it on a specific side and that would trigger the scene

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I also wonder what you are supposed to do with the "pick up and hold still" movement. just stand there with the cube in your hand and then 🙂

raven jewel
#

... and then yeet it to the nearest soft surface? 😉

waxen lynx
#

here they demo the different movements for both the action mode or the scene mode

pulsar vault
vernal owl
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Hi! I'm trying to make my Soniff ZBMINI01 start in "on" state when it gets powered up, but not having any luck. Its not connected to a switch as the wires are hard to access, so its only connected as a remote switch on the power supply for the socket on the other end. Anyone know of any tricks? 🙂

vernal owl
trail gorge
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You should be able to manage the clusters and find some sort of default state somewhere, or "after power failure" or something in those words

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maybe restore state? Something that sounds like is a state after a power off

vernal owl
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z2m, but I switched to it from zha just a few weeks ago so I'm still a bit new to it. Would I find that in the dev console then?

trail gorge
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Oh not sure how to help with z2m sorry, I use zha myself

vernal owl
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Ah, but at least I have a new lead on what to look after. Thanks for the tip!

trail gorge
vernal owl
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Yeah, I've seen similar but nothing that I try seem to apply. I have a feeling its something added in the zbmini-l model, which is annoying because they would have cost me the same but I didn't realize 😁

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I did something wild and sent a support request to Sonoff, both regarding this and that my devices are running old firmware 🙂

hot fable
#

hey guys, this might be a simple zigbee question but i have nothing zigbee atm and am trying to decide whether to go wifi (shelly) or zigbee for my light switches

can any zigbee system work with any coordinator? so for example if i'm going to get something like this https://www.ikuu.com.au/product/twin-switch/ - they sell their own coordinator, but can i get any coordinator and have it work? and then do any of the coordinators work with HA?

sorry if this is basic - i'm very new to home automation and zigbee stuff, and just trying to get my head around it all so i know what i want before i get an electrician out

sour shadow
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Well, mostly yes

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First you pick ZHA (built into HA) or Zigbee2MQTT (external to HA), then pick a coordinator they support

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After that it's purely a question of whether your device is already supported by ZHA/Z2M, or whether you need to add support

hot fable
sour shadow
#

No, it's writing a few lines of text

hot fable
#

oh

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well that's the opposite of scary then 😛

#

is it a standard procedure for all devices?

sour shadow
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ZHA probably supports it if it's Zigbee 3.0, or well behaved

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And yes, the process is standard, and documented

hot fable
#

awesome

sour shadow
hot fable
#

so basically i figure out if i want to go zha or z2m and find a coordinator from there

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but once i have that, it doesn't matter what devices i get?

sour shadow
#

Largely yes

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If you want the easy route, buy things that work already

hot fable
#

the problem is i'm in australia, so i can't get most of the zigbee switches i see around

sour shadow
#

Sure you can

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There's lots of folks from Aus here

last grail
last grail
hot fable
# sour shadow Sure you can

well i meant compared to the huge range of devices available on youtube reviews and whatnot - it seems like we don't have nearly as many

sour shadow
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There's maybe one brand that locks things into a specific panID, but even then... set that panID and you can use it

sour shadow
#

Also, a lot of that is shit

hot fable
# last grail aliexpress.com?

depends - they need to have an australian approval to them, and if they don't, electricians generally won't install them

hot fable
rapid dawnBOT
#

@hot fable When using Discord's Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Use Shift + click on the Reply option, or click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

You have to change this every time (thank the Discord devs for that).

last grail
#

electricians generally won't install them - ahh! I do my own...

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Phew! glad it wasn't me again!! (pinging tinkerer...)

hot fable
last grail
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We are allowed here in CA...supposed to get a permit though!

hot fable
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you do get the occasional people who do, but we have 240v instead of 110v like in usa, and there's been quite a few cases of insurance not paying out for damages caused by people not knowing what they're doing, even if it destroys their house 😛

jolly narwhal
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hides in norway where everyone does some electrical work themselves

hot fable
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yeah, everything in aus says it's absolutely not allowed and there can be huge fines if you do - some people definitely do, but i'd guess a good 80%+ probably just get an electrician

last grail
#

I ran my own 240v circuit for my car charger and I'm still typing...

hot fable
#

i'd love to be able to do it myself though - save on electrician fees and do it all myself 😛

last grail
#

I only ever got one jolt from 240....OUCH

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120 just makes me holler f^$%

unreal sedge
jolly narwhal
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I started doing my own electrical work at 13, but I did vocational school for electronics from 16-19 so I at least halfway know what I'm doing

last grail
#

NA is 120/240!

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ya I know, it used to be 110/220...

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right now I'm at 115/230...

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it depends on grid load

hot fable
#

Yeah, 400v sounds right I think?

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And yeah, if people know what they're doing it's fine but us Aussies maybe tend to overestimate our abilities 😛

jolly narwhal
#

norway started doing 400v distribution in the early 90s and we do split phase inside the house

last grail
#

...or turn the breaker off!

unreal sedge
unreal sedge
jolly narwhal
#

My oulets bounce between 215-235v throughout the year, depending on outside temp

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when we have flux from -35c to +35c

unreal sedge
#

our grid will bounce between that within one day

last grail
#

-35c ?? 😵‍💫

jolly narwhal
#

yes

unreal sedge
#

if our neighbour turns on the charger for his electric car phase 3 will dip a good 5V

jolly narwhal
#

lol

#

that sounds like a poorly designed grid

unreal sedge
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nah, we're in europe so it's a 75 year old grid here locally

jolly narwhal
#

kinda like how the UK grid dips around 5pm when they all put on the kettle

unreal sedge
#

we're in the fields between farmers

last grail
#

...or all the lights at the same time!

jolly narwhal
#

yeah, I live in the middle of farmland, with great power and fiber optical networks 😄

unreal sedge
#

one of the farmers had to get his own cable from the transformer hut as there wasn't enough capacity availeble on teh existing line without him fucking it up for everyone else

jolly narwhal
#

Farmland funtimes

last grail
#

Brown Out!

hot fable
last grail
#

No need for a light dimmer...just turn on the kettle!

unreal sedge
#

if we turn on the oven in the kitchen the fume hood starts running ever so slightly slower

hot fable
#

Oh, one more zigbee question - I was originally thinking of the Shelly relays because they're locally controlled

Is zigbee always local control if I have z2m/zha or whatever? Or is it dependant on the devices?

unreal sedge
#

zigbee is always local, the app that runs the gateway you use for it may or may not be

sour shadow
#

Don't buy a WiFi connected "gateway"

jolly narwhal
#

don't buy gateways

unreal sedge
#

home assistant is local, but if you set it up it can be accessed outside your own network. be it through a cloud or port forwarding

jolly narwhal
#

z2m yes_pink

hot fable
#

So, coordinator is OK?

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But not a gateway

sour shadow
#

A gateway is some manufacturer connected device, that'll lock you into their ecosystem and possibly their cloud service

#

A coordinator is little more than a Zigbee radio

hot fable
#

Ah OK, that's easy enough then

strong mason
#

I officially give up on the sonoff temp and humidity sensors. Going to use Ali's surprisingly generous return policy and switch to aqara. It's $2 more when getting five of them, fkit.

#

Anyone got recs for keeping batteries alive outside in winter? CR2032s seem to die in like a week at 10c.

unreal sedge
#

pretty sure batteries in general don't like the cold.

jolly narwhal
#

you say that

#

but my batteries are fine outdoors

#

both in my xiaomi single press button and my door and contact sensors

#

20+ meters from my house

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in +35c to -35c

#

mailbox lasted roughly 1.5 years

strong mason
#

Depends on the chemistry of the battery

jolly narwhal
#

these are CR1620

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and CR2032 for the button

strong mason
#

lithium iron chemistry is the best but that's an extremely new niche product, good luck finding a coin battery in it

unreal sedge
#

LiFePO?

strong mason
#

Gezundheit

novel cloud
#

What's the difference between
SONOFF ZigBee 3.0
USB Dongle Plus and the non plus version that came out a few years ago? Does the plus have a better radio than sky connect?

sour shadow
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There's been at least three different Zigbee 3.0 dongles they've done

novel cloud
#

I have the "old" one. What's the difference between the "old" and "plus"?

sour shadow
#

Which old one?

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The CC2652 based "old" one?

#

And which Plus, since they've called both the ones I linked to Plus

novel cloud
#

The plus that's the non ezsp based dongle.

sour shadow
#

That... really doesn't narrow things down

#

Ah, that edit does

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CC2652 - well supported in Z2M and ZHA
EZSP - well supported in ZHA, not so much in Z2M

novel cloud
#

The plus with the cc2652p

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Seems like there's so difference between the old cc2652p and the new plus cc2652p

sour shadow
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Not sure they ever did an "old" CC2652 based coordinator

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AFAIK there's only been one generation

novel cloud
#

You're right lol I just checked my order confirmation email from 2021. It's Been called "plus" all along sorry for the confusion.

#

Do you know the default tx power for that dongle?

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I'm running the latest dev zstack firmware from December 2022

sour shadow
#

Doesn't really matter, TX power is more marketing fluff than anything to worry about

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Sure, the dongle can shout louder to be heard further away. That doesn't help those devices speak back to it...

whole ermine
#

Hey folks - just got my skyconnect dongle and HA isn't showing it automatically - any ideas?

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(I didn't choose to install new firmware on it so presumably came as is)

pine sinew
#

Been having issues with my Zigbee network collapsing since I switched to HASS OS, is that likely related? Or is it more likely my coordinator is faulty....or some user error in placement?

jolly narwhal
#

what coordinator ?

#

and what is "collapsing" ?

pine sinew
pine sinew
jolly narwhal
#

With what integration ? ZHA \ z2m ?

#

Running what firmware on the coordinator ?

pine sinew
jolly narwhal
#

then, I have no idea how to read logs or version 😄

pine sinew
#

Struggling to spot the firmware version in the diagnostic log.

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Texas Instruments CC1352/CC2652, Z-Stack 3.30+ (build 20210708) The build number here could be the firmware version

jolly narwhal
#

yeah that is old

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I am currently running this one, been very stable so far

pine sinew
#

Okay. So flashing some firmware may help. Awesome

jolly narwhal
#

Flashing instructions

sour shadow
#

Also ensure that it's on a USB extension cable

pine sinew
#

Ensure it is on one?

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Interesting. I had it on one and just moved it off that on the assumption it was harmful

hollow chasm
#

Yes it should be on an extension otherwise you'll get interference from USB 3.0 ports

jolly narwhal
#

don't say you are running HAOS on a tablet

#

👀

pine sinew
#

Not a tablet. Promise

jolly narwhal
pine sinew
#

Little x86_64 passively cooled server.

jolly narwhal
#

nice

#

none of that pi nonsense

pine sinew
#

Yeah, Pi is just for Octopi

#

Interference wise, is a USB 3.0 extension hub a poor choice then?

#

I might have a USB 2.0 laying around

sour shadow
#

Check the pins, but USB 3.0 is bad for Zigbee

pine sinew
#

The actual port on the server is USB 2.0, but I'll see if I've got a USB 2.0 Hub

jolly narwhal
#

will there be interference if the original port is 2.0 and the hub is 3.0 🤔

pine sinew
#

Passive hub

jolly narwhal
#

it can't really generate the noise itself

#

philosophical USB questions

pine sinew
#

Having a bit of trouble with the whole flashing process.

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I'm going to need to dissassemble it to reach a button aren't I...

jolly narwhal
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I've never flashed a sonoff, so no other idea than the document I shared

pine sinew
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Figured it out, needed to checkout/build from master. Not the latest release

jolly narwhal
#

hm

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I'd reccomend the one I linked

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but master is "fine" too

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compared to what you have

pine sinew
#

So what you linked is the firmware itself right

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Plus the link you gave is for how to flash. The "Master" here is the git repository for the flashing software

jolly narwhal
#

yes

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aha

pine sinew
#

As that then adds the argument --bootloader-sonoff-usb which the 2.1 release didn't have

pine sinew
#

Alright, Firmware written. USB 2.0 hub found

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Lets go

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Diagnostic logs at least say it's updated.

jolly narwhal
pine sinew
#

Getting there, after the firmware update. I need to repair all my devices. Just need to figure out how to put my bulbs back in pairing mode.

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So, if anyone has an innr LED bulb and knows how to put them back in pairing mode when they're not communicating with a bridge. I'd love the help

humble tinsel
#

Have you tried:

pine sinew
#

I had, there were a few conflicting results.

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Think I've dug up a video that suggests a certain pattern of mains power switching will reset it

humble tinsel
#

did you try and reset them close to the bridge?

pine sinew
#

As close as I can get with a lightbulb

humble tinsel
#

how far is close?

#

i had similar pairing issues with ikea bulbs and only having them like real close to the adapter worked

pine sinew
#

About 7ft

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Okay, got one done. The difference between this video I found and the actual instruction manual is a 5 second "turn it on for this long first" step that seems to make all the difference

jolly narwhal
#

never move zigbee stuff

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always pair in place

pine sinew
#

I have a very small flat so I managed to get away with it

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Okay. I think everything is at least temporarily working again

jolly narwhal
#

did you remember to do a wifi scan before pairing, so you don't put your zigbee stuff on the same channel as wifi ?

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but eh, apartment

humble tinsel
#

sometimes you will need to keep them in the off position a bit longer to make sure it is really off

jolly narwhal
#

you probably have 9000 aps close to you

pine sinew
humble tinsel
#

you might be able to use an app on your mobile

jolly narwhal
#

you have a phone right ?

pine sinew
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I so wish I was allowed to post images right now, please picture the "do you guys not have phones?" from Blizzcon 2018

pine sinew
humble tinsel
#

having it very close to the bridge and leaving it a tat longer in the off position should make sure that the chip is really powered down.

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when it happens to fast the chip might still be powered and not understanding it needs to be reset

pine sinew
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Didn't see any options for wifi scanning. I think I just have to be optimistic that it picking Channel 15 was done with love and care

unreal sedge
#

there's wifi scanning aps

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like wifianalyzer

jolly narwhal
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channel 15 is default

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might be good, might be horrible

pine sinew
#

Everything looks pretty evenly distributed. No channel particularly better than the other

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Though weirdly Channel 15 is beyond normal 2.4Ghz and less than 5Ghz channels. So maybe it really is fine. I'd consider it a little unlikely for nayone else here to be doing much home automation. Maybe an alexa or two

vestal basin
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Hi All, sorry if I interrupt a conversation but do anyone know if there has been a change in a late update that affects the zigbee connection to a Sonoff device? I keep loosing connection to a temp/humidity sensor. Thanks

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It has been working fine for a year and changed the battery on the device

austere patio
#

No updates affect connections to devices. That's all handled by the firmware.

vestal basin
#

Ok thanks. Then it must be a hardware problem. Maybe the receiver that I use.

austere patio
#

More likely just a radio environment problem. WiFi realignment, new devices, positioning changes, etc.

vestal basin
#

There is no obvious event/change in our house that comes to mind. But thanks for the suggestion

grim igloo
#

Puddly is there a thing such as a full network heal in zigbee like we have in zwave js for getting new routes on every device?

tropic depot
#

no

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the network is stack managed

proven pelican
#

Anyone here have any experience with the LinKind motion sensor? I added mine pretty easily to my HA ZigBee but now it's stuck in detecting motion and won't clear

sour shadow
#

I have a couple, work fine

proven pelican
#

It has a "tamper" sensor that I just figured out how to clear by attaching the bracket, and when I do that it updates instantly in HA so it's definitely communicating

sour shadow
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Tried a fresh battery?

proven pelican
#

it's reporting 100%, it's brand new, but no I haven't tried swapping it

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I just pulled the battery, when i put it back in it cleared the detected motion, but then obviously from me handling it it detected motion again, now it's stuck at detected...

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starting to think I should have just bought more hue sensors

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well I finally found a thread describing my problem. Looks like the newer firmware version on the Linkind sensors is broken with HA. Causes my exact problem. Only solution I seem to have found is to downgrade the firmware, which requires you working with their support (which is reportedly slow) and also having one of their hubs (which I of course don't have). So yea, swing and a miss.

grim igloo
#

Sucks

sour shadow
#

I'll stick with my Aqara P1 sensors then 😄

stable dawn
#

Hi all, what do you think of Wiz bulbs? Getting a good deal on them. Can they work with ZigBee?

sour shadow
#

Pretty sure they're not Zigbee

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Anything that doesn't mention the need for a hub, or talks about an app, is likely to be WiFi

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Technology - Smart Wi-Fi

#

Amazing what you can Google 😛

stable dawn
#

Ok. Got it. But can they work with HA?

proven pelican
#

There looks to be a WiZ integration in HA, but it wouldn't be zigbee

grim igloo
#

Wiz used to be Bluetooth only

sour shadow
grim igloo
#

Which is even worse

sour shadow
#

But ... Google it and see

#

wiz smart bulb home assistant

proven pelican
#

I personally want to avoid anything WiFi though, plenty enough congestion on those bands in my house 😛

stable dawn
unreal sedge
novel cloud
#

Is there a Cli to see how much inteference the coordinator is seeing with a scan?

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I remember there being one but I don't know if it still exists/commands

grim igloo
novel cloud
#

Yep that's what I just found lol

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Thank you.

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Hm I'm getting

 [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_92a111c53ac8eb119c4ac5c3de5b81b4-if00-port0:/dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_92a111c53ac8eb119c4ac5c3de5b81b4-if00-port0'
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With

zigpy radio znp /dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_92a111c53ac8eb119c4ac5c3de5b81b4-if00-port0:/dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_92a111c53ac8eb119c4ac5c3de5b81b4-if00-port0 energy-scan
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Wait

austere patio
#

Why the :?

novel cloud
#

Lol

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Yes I just saw that

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Now I'm getting permission denied

# 
zigpy radio znp /dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_92a111c53ac8eb119c4ac5c3de5b81b4-if00-port0 energy-scan
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zigpy.application ERROR Couldn't start application

austere patio
#

If you get permission denied, that's a problem with the environment

novel cloud
#

I ran this outside of the home assistant container. I run home assistant in a container. How would I run this there?

austere patio
#

Try it with sudo then

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You may have to see where the zigpy binary is located with which zigpy and provide that exact path to sudo, in case the PATH is different

novel cloud
#

sudo: zigpy: command not found

austere patio
#

See what I wrote above 😆

carmine hamlet
#

I had to install zigpy as root to have it install all the requirements properly

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that way, everything ends up in the right place and accessible by the user that's running it

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I didn't end up needing sudo for that, but it worked when I thought I did

waxen lynx
#

damn my aqara cube I set up yesterday is offline and doesn't respond. offline for 14h

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removed it and paired it again, but I hope this isn't a normal thing

austere patio
#

Make sure you permit joins only via the physically closest parent router, as otherwise it may be connecting to some random router on the other end of your house

waxen lynx
#

I only have 1 sonoff stick and then the cube itself 🙂

unreal sedge
#

the zigbee device will take out a lil measuring stick to see who's closest?

austere patio
#

They can measure signal strength. Older Aqara devices don't.

waxen lynx
#

and half an hour ago I paired a second device

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but. yesterday evening I started to install zigbee2mqtt and did attempt to start it up, of course using the same sonof stick that ZHA is using

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so maybe that broke something, dunno

fleet raptor
#

I don't know if I posted this integration problem in the wrong channel. I have a Zigbee network. I have a new sensor that worked fine for over a week. Now HA says unavailable. I know it is not a range issue as they are close. I know it should be sending data as it is a motion sensor and it should go from unavailable to detected when I walk in front of it.

austere patio
#

Go to ZHA's configuration page. What channel is your network using?

austere patio
fleet raptor
#

aqara motion sensor.

fleet raptor
austere patio
#

What other devices are on your network?

waxen lynx
#

radio type ezsp

austere patio
#

Yeah, Z2M changed your network settings when you started it, which is why the cube is now offline

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Sensors aren't considered offline until they don't check in for a few hours

waxen lynx
#

aha ok, I'm actually happy about that and not that it means my cube is unreliable or broken

austere patio
#

I suggest forming a new ZHA network and re-joining it. Channel 11 isn't a great choice

waxen lynx
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and don't know what channel it was on before

austere patio
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  1. Forming a new network will change it to that channel.
waxen lynx
#

is that through migrate radio button?

austere patio
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Easier to just delete the ZHA integration and set it up again, but you can also do it with the migration

waxen lynx
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or in yaml somehwere, or just start from scrtch

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ok

fleet raptor
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  1. https://www.amazon.com/Aqara-Door-Window-Sensor-Kit/dp/B09TP7VMKB/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=aqara+temperature+sensor

  2. The larger one of this. https://www.amazon.com/Bundle-Philips-SmartThings-Google-Required/dp/B09H7NCH2W/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=innr+plug

  3. This tempature sensor: https://www.amazon.com/Aqara-Temperature-Humidity-High-Contrast-Supports/dp/B09B28P3R3/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=aqara+temperature+sensor

In other words, an Aqara motion, door and temparature sensor as well as an Innr high amp wall plug.

waxen lynx
#

can easily delete it

austere patio
fleet raptor
austere patio
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Re-join it to your network but make sure to join it to the plug instead of globally permitting joins and letting the device decide

#

That would also cause it to not join via a plug 😆

fleet raptor
#

I want it to join the zigbee antenna and not go through the plug

austere patio
#

Why?

fleet raptor
#

More reliability. Is there a problem with joining to the coordinator?

hollow chasm
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That doesn't make any sense. If the plug is closer, that's going to be more reliable

fleet raptor
#

The plug is further away.

austere patio
#

How close is "close" and "far" here?

fleet raptor
#

Both the coordinatoor and plug are in the same room but the Coordinator is 5 feet closer to the devices. Also, it has a much better antenna then the plug has on it.

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Any idea what is wrong?

austere patio
#

What integration are you using? What coordinator?

burnt cloud
#

Hi all - when you have a Aqara device drop off the network, how do you re-activate it without having to remove it and re-add it?

raven jewel
fleet raptor
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sonoff 3.0 antenna. I am using the default scan and it adds it. I believe that is the ZHA.

burnt cloud
austere patio
raven jewel
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Well if you turn pairing back on (through the device you paired it through if you did that), and press and hold the button then it should rejoin

burnt cloud
fleet raptor
raven jewel
waxen lynx
#

my zigbee range seems to be quite limited. Put the sonoff in a wooden closet but upstairs, let's say 10 meters straight line and even some open space I can't see the events coming in anymore. maybe changing the channel may also help here?

unreal sedge
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straight line does not mean line of sight

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is there anything else inbetween the antenna and the recieving device aside from some wood?

waxen lynx
#

got the sonof zbdongle-e and believe this could transmit with 20db

#

yeah there is some fireplace etc

raven jewel
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Things in the way = interference

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Lots of things in the way = lots of interference

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Clear line of sight = much less interference, if any

unreal sedge
#

metal things in the way = goodby signal

molten linden
#

20db is only one way, the devices can’t talk back at 20db

waxen lynx
#

yeah, my access point 2.4 and 5 ghz is also in a closet next to it and there I do have decent coverage, but of course that's probably a bit more power

molten linden
#

It’s like yelling but not being able to hear the people talking back to you

unreal sedge
#

how "next to it"? like a meter or other side of the room?

raven jewel
waxen lynx
#

makes sense. first day of experience with zigbee and so need to figure out things

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would need some kind of fancy spectrum meter 🙂

unreal sedge
#

not really, zigbee and wifi are in the same spectrum

#

a wifi analyser app and some thinking will also work

fleet raptor
raven jewel
#

Well, anything else emitting a 2.4ghz frequency is going to cause interference, no spectrometer needed

#

Check the 3rd pinned post for some useful tips and tricks

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And the one on Zigbee and WiFi coexistence is also a very useful read

fleet raptor
waxen lynx
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I'll check on my unifi access points which channels they are on

molten linden
#

Zigpy-cli can also do an energy scan with most radios to measure noise on each channel

fleet raptor
#

Ideally you want to be on either 1 or 11 in the US.

waxen lynx
#

aha will need to test some things: measure, change channels, experiment with antenna positioning

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EU here

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luckily no other wifi networks around, well insulated house and the aluminium blocks lots of signals 🙂

fleet raptor
#

Do you have channels 12 and 13 in EU? or even 14?

unreal sedge
#

for wifi you mean?

fleet raptor
#

yes

unreal sedge
#

i can go up to 13 on my router

fleet raptor
#

Then you have some more options nickdd.

austere patio
waxen lynx
#

the unifi has "nightly channel optimization" turned on, but currently the 2.4 ghz is at channel 6 and 5 ghz at channel 44 (but 5 Ghz shouldn't matter I guess since zigbee is 2.4)

fleet raptor
strange ibex
waxen lynx
#

wifi channel 6 overlaps with channel 15 to 20 or so

#

yeah was on that pinned page with that chart

raven jewel
unreal sedge
#

automatic channel hopping will only make problems worse

raven jewel
#

The last thing you want is to pick a Zigbee channel and then have Unifi put the Wifi on something that overlaps

unreal sedge
#

i just noticed our neighbour's wifi spans two channels at the same time

raven jewel
#

Probably a bad mesh setup

unreal sedge
#

i'm not sure, it shows as a single access point . but it's 40mhz wide

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so it interferes with like half of the enttire wifi spectreum

fleet raptor
#

They way routers are programmed, they use the extra wide channels unless they get crowded, then they hop back to the normal 20 Mhz channel. It is possible to force a router to 40mhz reguardless of crowding.

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I was looking for a graph showing the zigbee channel overlap with extended wifi channels but I haven't found one yet.

sour shadow
#

There's one in the pinned messages

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Trivially found via Google too

#

You should stop looking down the back of the sofa 😉

waxen lynx
#

I will pick the most extremes for each: low for zigbee and high for wifi

strange ibex
#

I also linked one a few minutes ago but didn't really give context to my link

raven jewel
#

From the pins, thanks to a Tinkerer in the past

strange ibex
#

I use 11 and 11

fleet raptor
sour shadow
#

It's not really hard to imagine the channels wider

fleet raptor
#

I could guess it but wanted to be more sure.

sour shadow
#

There's also not much point in 40 MHz width in 2.4 GHz

fleet raptor
#

You get significantly increased bandwidth on 40 mhz wifi channels.

sour shadow
#

Wooo

waxen lynx
#

yeah it's set to 20 MHz band here

sour shadow
#

Or just use 5 GHz and get actual bandwidth

waxen lynx
#

just for some legacy iot devices, my dishwasher 🙂

fleet raptor
#

5 Ghz doesn't have the range of 2.4 Ghz.

sour shadow
#

Unless you live in a house made of stone, or a mansion, it's rarely a real problem

fleet raptor
#

Also, it doubles the idle power consumption from connecting to the wifi on cell phones.

sour shadow
#

And even then, multiple APs solve that

waxen lynx
#

quite a bit of reinforced concrete in my house, so 1 AP for each floor

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and walls are also full 15 cm thick bricks (sand lime brick), but the house is quite open so inside not much issues

#

wanted a solid house 🙂

fleet raptor
waxen lynx
#

will move things around this weekend and do some hands-on testing.

fleet raptor
#

Antennas are weakest where thy point ( both directions)

waxen lynx
#

will also put the TVOC sensor upstairs and that will be part of the network, so maybe in those far rooms it will set up the mesh through that one

raven jewel
#

Only if it's permanently powered

waxen lynx
#

that won't be the case for these. will need some other device upstairs

#

think I will need some proxy

#

or 1 separate zigbee network for each floor

fleet raptor
#

You could also use extra long antennas to extend range but keep in mind that works by making the signal more focused so that reduces signal away from the pointing sides. I had fun use a 12 db antenna in an RV park so the RV was in wifi range using a range extender.

fleet raptor
glad plinth
#

Can anyone help me? My aqara temp sensor in my garage has been reporting the same exact, unchanging temperature and humidity for 8 days. My understanding from the Aqara documentation is that it should send an update every hour, even if no drastic changes, and swings of +1 degree (F) will send instant updates. When I look at the "Logbook" for the device, I see no history at all, and I find it hard to believe that my non-climate-controlled garage isn't having temperature swings when it drops into the 40s at night.

I'm connected using Z2M on HAOS, Z2M and HA both show the device just fine, and LQI is 131

austere patio
#

Have you tried taking out its battery and putting it back in?

glad plinth
#

what a simple question, that i stupidly have to admit i have not tried yet lol. I will give that a try, but if I need to do that every 8 days its going to change my thoughts on putting these things in my crawlspace

raven jewel
#

How did you connect it, does it have a local to it parent and did that parent go offline?

glad plinth
#

I joined it using Permit join (All). Interestingly, i just loaded my network Map from Z2M and i can't find it on the map to check for any connections

#

so its not on the map but Z2M still lists the device and acts like its okay?

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I should add that I have plenty of Aqara door sensors and they all work great, even the one out in the garage in the same area as the temp sensor

#

maybe its just a bad sensor?

austere patio
#

My Aqara sensors really only get glitchy when their battery is running low

#

And the reported percentage is never going to be accurate so you may want to try replacing the battery

sharp birch
#

Is it possible, if you have 2 Zigbee Controllers (USBs connected to same Pi4), to run both ZHA and zigbee2mqtt ?

sour shadow
#

As long as you have to separate coordinators, yes

glad plinth
sharp birch
austere patio
sand dew
#

has anyone here ever submitted a new entry for @violet dagger 's listing of zigbee devices? I can't remember how long it took the last time I submitted something 🙂

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I think this is why I don't always treat the list as authoritative - just because something isn't on it (the lidl/livarno1 floodlight I bought last week for example) doesn't mean it doesn't necessarily work - it just means nobody's tried it yet 😉

strange ibex
sand dew
#

I submitted details of the floodlight ( HG08010 ) thru the google form at https://zigbee.blakadder.com/new.html which seems to be the suggested method. PRs are for updating details, not adding details of "new devices" I think

#

I don't mind waiting - just curious

waxen lynx
#

just tried zigbee2mqtt. was easy to set up, but only my aqara TVOC is a recognized device. the new magic cube t1 pro was immediately discoverd but turns up as an unsupported device

#

support status "not supported". availabilit: disabled

strange ibex
waxen lynx
#

wonder if I can contribute some useful info back to the community to make this a supported device

strange ibex
#

nice. you found the external converter in comments?

waxen lynx
#

yes and want to try it, but checking where I need to put that 🙂

strange ibex
#

with instructions

waxen lynx
#

repo updated 1 hour ago, active project

#

thanks for the link

strange ibex
#

yes, looks like they just fixed a bug, haha

waxen lynx
#

just noticed something: if I go in HA => addons => zigbee2mqtt => config and edit the config in yaml there I can see something I added manually:
advanced:
transmit-power: 20

but if i open the zigbee2mqtt\configuration.yaml file directly I see parts of my config but other things are missing there. like my advanced transmit_power thing

#

but it's working now

#

restarted zigbee2mqtt and now it is "supported"

sand dew
sharp birch
#

What is the Difference between "lasZone" and "Occupancy" entity on a zigbee connected Motion Sensor?

sand dew
#

IasZone is for motion detection and doesn't stay "on" for as long

sharp birch
#

According to the log for each entity, the lasZone and Occupancy are reporting "Detected" and "Cleared" at the exact same timestamps

#

Only differences is for some reason, Occupancy, has two entries at the same timestamp for the same state change.

waxen lynx
#

with this converter I can actually switch action and scene mode on the cube through z2m interface 🙂

#

instead of that bloody 5 times pressing the button

#

this guy definitely deserves a coffee

strange ibex
#

@sharp birch do they time out at different times?

sand dew
strange ibex
sharp birch
sand dew
sharp birch
#

So like a 5 second difference 🤷🏼‍♂️

sharp birch
#

(kinda why I was asking earlier if I can run both ZHA and z2m.. since the Motion Sensor doesn't have the range they claim to have)

strange ibex
#

that last sentence confuses me a bit

sharp birch
#

What do you mean?

#

Using ZHA and zigbee2mqtt on 2 different Controllers (coordinators) ? So I don't have to go around and re-pair everything by just switching the 1 controller from ZHA to zigbee2mqtt..

sand dew
#

ok if you said FP1 I might understand the difference as that's the mains powered one

sharp birch
#

Yeah, Im familiar with those ones too, they are the presence sensors that use millimeter wave...

#

but Aqara makes 2 of their "motion sensors" an older one, found on Amazon.com, and then the P1.. I could only find these at Home Depot here in the US ..

strange ibex
#

I have a graveyard of the older ones. 🙂

#

I missed the bit about you wanting to use z2m to adjust a setting, gotcha

#

I just built a bunch of motion + mmwave sensors

#

not zigbee though 😛

sharp birch
#

I saw the ones that fella on youtube (the one that closes his eyes a lot while he talks) is making that use Motion + mmwave and like a D1 mini or some ESP32 board..

#

Problem with those, for me, is they require being connected to power. And power outlets are limited, especially in the kitchen.. unless I drilled a hole in my ceiling and ran the power to one of the outlets in the attic

vale frost
#

This may be a silly question, but If I am running two instances of zigbee2mqtt (on separate hardware) with one mqtt broker, on HA. Do I need to make sure I use a separate mqtt base topic?

carmine hamlet
#

yes

vale frost
#

oops

#

So if all my entities disappeared from HA, but are still in the Z2M addon. How do I get them back?

carmine hamlet
#

I assumed, at least. I don't recall if there's common stuff in there, but I recall having issues when they pointed at the same topic tree

#

I had two instances running a few days

#

so sayeth the docs

vale frost
#

Ah I see now.

#

I did use a different channel, but not a different topic.

carmine hamlet
#

just fix it in the zigbee2mqtt instances. MQTT will populate

#

all your stuff will probably just show back up

vale frost
#

I'll give it a shot. Thank you.

waxen lynx
#

I don't think my aqara TVOC temperature reading is very accurate. guess it's about 1.5 °C off

vale frost
waxen lynx
#

hmm temp seems to have settled and is now 0.1° off from the other sensor next to it, happy with that

#

wonder if it will do OTA updates with Z2M

sand dew
#

Anybody here gotten a skyconnect dongle? Ignoring all the coolness of thread and matter, I'm wondering how it compares to conbee2 for zigbee connectivity (facilitating me slowly moving from ZHA to Z2M). I'll worry over Matter once I have some devices that use it on a wishlist or such!

waxen lynx
#

I was planning to buy a skyconnect since I'm starting fresh with zigbee, but couldn't find anything on stock and only a limited number of shops

sand dew
waxen lynx
#

they both didn't last weekend

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not interested in matter. sounds like too much marketing and will be yet another protocol I guess

sand dew
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Yes, it's hard to tell at the moment. I might be better off waiting and spending the money on power monitoring plugs or such.

waxen lynx
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they say they are backed by 200 tech companies including the big ones. doesn't always mean much. If those companies start updating all of their products to support matter out of the box then it may work

hot fable
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hey guys, i'm thinking of getting started with zigbee and have been watching a few things and i've seen that some people have (very rarely) had to reset their zigbee devices to get it to work again

is that the same as pairing it as per the instruction manual? or is that different? it'd be for some zigbee light switches, but if resetting it requires me to access stuff behind the wall, it's not something i'd want to use (for reference, atm i'm thinking of these types of light switches https://www.ikuu.com.au/guides/how-to-pair-a-zigbee-switch-or-power-point/)

strange ibex
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you linked a guide

hot fable
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ha! whoops, sorry, long day

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i missed the tab i wanted by that much

strange ibex
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it's okay, I just spent about 5 minutes trying to figure it out

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brain was not realizing that it was just a guide

hot fable
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sorry, my bad 😛

strange ibex
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I didn't mean it like that, I was just saying my brain no worky

hot fable
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apparently neither was mine 😛

raven jewel
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Usually if people are having to reset their devices they've either:

  • Broken their system, and had no backups.
  • Not set up their system right in the first place, leading to a broken system requiring re-pairing devices
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So check the pins for how to choose a good Zigbee channel to avoid interference, pair things like sensors (especially Zigbee 1.0 sensors) via a sensible parent device in the place you want to use them, and make sure you have backups that are copied off your HA machine regularly

hot fable
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that's easy enough

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if it does need to be reset for whatever reason, it sounds like it's something that isn't necessarily easy like putting it into pairing mode or whatever?

raven jewel
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I'm sure I've missed something important, but the pins cover the vast majority of the info

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Honestly I've only ever needed to put devices into pairing mode again when I've screwed up.

hot fable
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perfect, that sounds doable at least

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it's just a huge commitment to go and get a bunch light switches that should work with HA in theory for the electrician to install, so want to make sure i know all the possible cons/issues that could appear beforehand 😛

raven jewel
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Can you install one light switch yourself in a room that is primarily for your use?

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I don't know your skills nor the electrical code where you are, but I can change a lightswitch on my own and did for my one smart switch

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The rest I just added covers with smart buttons on

hot fable
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unfortunately not - in aus you can't do DIY electrical stuff

raven jewel
hot fable
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some people do of course, but those are definitely the minority that either know what they're doing or don't care enough 😛

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well, we have a remote for our fan at the moment and we lose it all the time, so want to stay away from those sorts of cover plates just to be safe 😛

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also i don't know for sure if it'll work - we don't have the holes in the sides of our switch to hold it in place as far as i can see

tulip patrol
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where's the buy link on that ikuu switch?

hot fable
strange ibex
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only a couple of those switches were supported officially by zha/z2m so make sure you get one that is unless you want to implement it or harass someone to implement it for you 😛

hot fable
tulip patrol
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thanks mate

strange ibex
hot fable