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austere patio
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More or less Zigbee 3.0

smoky tapir
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yeah, I may just order some more routers, the sengled power monitors since they are back on "sale" on amazon. Had this issue with wifi also, had to add a mesh connected AP to deal with a deadzone in the house.

grim igloo
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"mesh" ap extender situations are really never a good idea for wifi btw

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certain access points have dedicated backhaul radios but most dont.. you end up just adding more interference and bandwidth is shit

smoky tapir
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i'm ok with wifi, I understand what i'm doing. And since it's a rental I can't run cabling to the one location.

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it's a ubiquiti setup, wit two wired AP's and one meshed AP to get wifi to room that can't hit the other AP's except through two exterior walls.

drowsy goblet
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I just installed HA VM on proxmox, sonoff usb 3.0 zigbee dongle (I think) routed to the HA VM, installed and started MQTT addon, and installed Zigbee2MQTT addon but it fails to start "Error while starting zigbee-herdsman / Failed to start zigbee". I checked the link to the possible solutions page but despite being somewhat technical I don't really understand any of it.

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Is there something obvious I should be checking?

lilac wharf
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Which version of the sonoff 3.0 adapter: E or P?

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Also, share the specific error message

smoky tapir
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can you see the usb stick in the VM? (dmesg from a terminal, when you remove and plug it back in)

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re: my zigbee network, I have a parallel hue system setup that works in the room, so was hoping the button would reach

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not interested in migrating the hue setup off of hue-hub to direct HA yet. Happy with the HA->huehub integration so far.

lilac wharf
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different zigbee networks don't extend each other

smoky tapir
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I know

drowsy goblet
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I got the P version, but if needed I could return it and get the E version

lilac wharf
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nope, that's the better one for z2m

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share the specific error message in its entirety

grim igloo
lilac wharf
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better because it's not experimental

grim igloo
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gotcha

lilac wharf
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purely specs-wise, i think the CC2652 and current EFR32 platforms are similar

drowsy goblet
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that's the full error log

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The Mosquito MQTT addon appears to be running, has a green dot and logs look good, so I think that part is ok

smoky tapir
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that confirms that the hardware is mapped into the VM?

drowsy goblet
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no, getting that screenshot now, I'm not sure how to check for the usb in HA yet

smoky tapir
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if you have easy physical access, unplug and plug it in, go to a terminal on your HA, and type "dmesg"

drowsy goblet
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with the USB device added, detected as sonoff 3.0 zigbee correctly

smoky tapir
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you want to verify on the guest side that it mapped correctly

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My "e" dongle, on a non VM for example:

[104064.927889] usb 1-1.3: new full-speed USB device number 6 using dwc_otg
[104065.042344] usb 1-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=1a86, idProduct=55d4,
bcdDevice= 4.42
[104065.042374] usb 1-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumbe
r=3
[104065.042386] usb 1-1.3: Product: SONOFF Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus V2
[104065.042396] usb 1-1.3: Manufacturer: ITEAD
[104065.042406] usb 1-1.3: SerialNumber: 20220811141526
[104065.044975] cdc_acm 1-1.3:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
drowsy goblet
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does the HA web interface have a terminal or I need to use vm console in proxmox?

smoky tapir
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i installed an add-on

drowsy goblet
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ahh cool I see it

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yes it shows up as disconnect/connect in the terminal

smoky tapir
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then you have the usb mapped correctly 🙂

lilac wharf
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Share your zigbee2mqtt config

drowsy goblet
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how do you do that code quote above?

rapid dawnBOT
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To format your text as code, enter three backticks on the first line, press Enter for a new line, paste your code, press Enter again for another new line, and lastly three more backticks.
```yaml
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Don't forget you can edit your post rather than repeatedly posting the same thing.

drowsy goblet
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socat:
  enabled: false
  master: pty,raw,echo=0,link=/tmp/ttyZ2M,mode=777
  slave: tcp-listen:8485,keepalive,nodelay,reuseaddr,keepidle=1,keepintvl=1,keepcnt=5
  options: "-d -d"
  log: false
mqtt: {}
serial: {}```
lilac wharf
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Yeah, you haven't specified the adapter in the config

drowsy goblet
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ah, I didn't realize it doesn't do it wysiwyg in the chat entry

lilac wharf
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Or your MQTT broker for that matter

sour shadow
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The add-on does weird ass stuff with the config

lilac wharf
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Oh, fun

drowsy goblet
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in the instructions for the addon it just mentions if you're NOT using the mosquito mqtt addon you need to do a certain step, but since I am it didnt apply, but it looks like it's missing autoconfiguration or something then

lilac wharf
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Well you can ignore the MQTT part then, but you should specify the path to the adapter

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Unless that's also somewhere else 😵‍💫

sour shadow
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It's also handled in the UI AFAIK

lilac wharf
drowsy goblet
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I think I see what happens, it looks like for mqtt addon it doesnt populate that, but somewhere else is a check and it prevents saving it without the values there

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so then none of the config gets saved

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no wait, take that back

summer thicket
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@drowsy goblet FYI... Current Proxmox version is 7.2-11

smoky tapir
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If you didn't add the updates (free) to your control panel, you should

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(server->updates->repositories->click "add button", selection "no subscription". Unless you are paying for support.)

drowsy goblet
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I think it's updating

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(I had problems when I first installed yesterday since chrome blocks the popups so it looks like all the commands in the tutorial dont work)

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here is probably a stupid question while this is running, for the sonoff 3.0 dongle, do you need to flash a new firmware?

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it's not clear if flashing firmware is for older versions or advanced/experimental use or if it's always required period

lilac wharf
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no, but it comes with an older firmware, so it's not a bad idea to flash with an updated firmware

drowsy goblet
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ok I'm on 7.2-11 now!

summer thicket
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I think if I was going to use HAOS in a VM with Proxmox, I would have to decouple MQTT and Zigbee2MQTT from HA so that I could understand what I'm doing! 🤪

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or, just use ZHA

drowsy goblet
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that was/is my plan

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I'm kinda doing a first setup trial just to see how some of this works and I figured the addons would be easier

tranquil reef
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My sengled bulbs don’t seem to respond to zigbee groups through both zigbee2mqtt and zha (I.e. can’t detect change of state or set their state)

tranquil reef
drowsy goblet
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I guess the question is what's the best way to set up mqtt + z2m in that scenario. Run them in docker on a linux vm or lxc? or on a full vm?

sour shadow
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Best is very personal

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For me, I have a host that runs all my Docker containers, and I'd put them there

tranquil reef
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I’m running full Debian vm and then just using home assistant like it was installed on that machine with home assistant managing all the containers etc. This lets me use standard Linux command line etc to debug but not lose the nice abstraction home assistant provides

devout sphinx
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Hello, I setup the OTA update in the config but I don’t find a log to have détail of the process (I don’t know if it’s working or not…)
Edit: in ZHA

drowsy goblet
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Everyone, thanks so much for the help! I connected a hue outdoor motion sensor with z2m to HA and can make some automations with it!

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now I just need the mail to arrive with my 20x Inovelli Blue switches!

tranquil reef
drowsy goblet
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I'll let you know for sure. They should arrive in the next couple of hours.

summer thicket
drowsy goblet
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the mqtt lxc and z2m lcx?

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I should be able to set those up

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or docker lxc and run the mqtt stuff in docker

lofty junco
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hey 🙂 any recommendation for EU zigbee power plugs? Simple ones, that i can link zo my HA and just turn then on/off (no monitoring needed)

sour shadow
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Innr or Ikea

smoky tapir
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I just forced a remapping on my zigbee buttons by unplugging the plugging in the coordinator, and seems like I've got connectivity. I had read that the mesh doesn't update often, was under the mistaken thought that when it lost connectivity it should have tried to refind something.... Anyways, map rebuild, and button reaches into the far room.. yay. of course I already ordered some more plug monitors/routers....

lofty junco
# sour shadow Innr or Ikea

my fear is that those will, because they look a little bit bulky, consume too much space in my power strip... any feedback on that? can they fit normally next to each other? for example on a 2x2 power strip?

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the Innr i mean

smoky tapir
restive tartan
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Innr probably won't fit in a power strip

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Best bet, just get a smart power strip

jovial aspen
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Does anyone know if the Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus (ZBDongle-P version) is Matter compatible?

grim igloo
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like with matter daddy?

sour shadow
silent crest
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Hi! Anyone here was able to successfully bind devices in ZHA? Been trying to do so with some IKEA lights and a switch but no luck with it.

fallow warren
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Is there somewhere I can read what is the improvement in the OTA update? Is it typically just random stuff or does it sometimes add new features (LIke make the bulb able to dim lower?)

sour shadow
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Which OTA update?

fallow warren
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Example:

Friendly name    Manufacturer    Model    Firmware build date    Firwmare version
0xbc33acfffed7c84b IKEA LED1736G9 20190312  2.1.022`
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Updated to 2.3.087

sour shadow
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Ikea do publish some details

fallow warren
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Oh nice thank you

mighty river
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what's the latest info about which Zigbee USB sticks are recommended to buy?

rapid dawnBOT
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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

azure tinsel
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is it possible in z2mqtt or home assistant to set a transition time for adjusting the brightness of a light source manually. when moving the slider its an instant flash to the selected brightness. it would be nice to set it somewhere to always have a 2 second transition

sour shadow
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Did you try searching the Z2M docs for transition?

azure tinsel
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i assumed this wasnt allready build in (my mistake) it seems it is but its standard set to 0

mighty river
# rapid dawn

if I understand correctly, based on that list I could just buy the correct Sonoff USB stick and plug and play it right, no flashing mandatorily necessary?

sour shadow
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Yes

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However, you're probably going to want to update the firmware on the stick, and it's not a hard process

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Newer firmwares fix bugs, improve performance, etc etc

mighty river
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I always break out in cold sweat when updating firmware of hardware 😅

ashen coral
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But it's so easy nowadays.

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Cryptographic signing. Failsafe bootloaders. USB.

sour shadow
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It's been a while since I've had any firmware update go wrong, and by while I mean over a decade

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I've had more OS upgrades go wrong than firmware upgrades

ashen coral
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I flashed firmware on my first Nintendo DS using a jtag connector connected to my computers parallell port which I built myself. Important parts were paperclips manually aligned to the right spots of the circuit board. That was sweaty.

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But I'm kidding. Firmware updates are scarry stuff.

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Potentially expensive stuff.

mighty river
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yeah no I'm not saying I won't do it, just that whenever hardware is involved I get more nervous compared to just a software which you can erase and re-install

sour shadow
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As long as you're not replacing the bootloader it's safe

mighty river
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the stakes are higher, potentially a bricked piece of plastic

sour shadow
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The only time that things could go wrong is when you're re-writing the bootloader - that's harder to recover from if you get it wrong

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(usually not impossible - mostly)

ashen coral
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Ever burned the wrong fuse on a PIC and had to find an 18v source to reset it? Those were the days.

pine swan
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Does anyone know a Zigbee temperature sensor that can withstand 70C please? I just got a filament drier for my 3D printer and I would like to be able to graph the temperature and humidity inside it but it runs between 50C and 70C

ashen coral
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I'd take my chances with an aqara. Most semiconductors are rated 0-70 °C, but that's probably more tradition than anything else.

wooden stream
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Hello, gentlemen.
I've set up ZB2MQTT, and I have an Ikea Bulb installed in my ceiling.

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The docs are telling me to 1) reset it, which I have tried, and 2) hold it close to the coordinator.
How am I able to hold it close to the coordinator (Sonoff Dongle on my RPi) when it is in another room?
Any tips on this?

pine swan
pine swan
wooden stream
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Furthermore, I have a pre-paired set of a tradfri remote and lamp. Should I pair both the remote and lamp, or just the lamp?

pine swan
pine swan
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Which Ikea remote do you have?

pine swan
wooden stream
wooden stream
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So e.g with the blinds remote, can it be paired both to the blind locally as well as to Z2MQTT?

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Can you reconfigure the Zigbee map at a later point?

pine swan
pine swan
wooden stream
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Working on debugging the Styrbar remote atm

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Doesnt want to be removed

ashen coral
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Make sure you wake it before removing.

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And it could be that it's not paired, but z2m thinks it is.

wooden stream
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Hmm ok.

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Reason I wanted to re-pair was to get it to link to other devices in the correct room

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Is this something that is configurable in the frontend?

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Tried to force remove and add it. It is showing "interview" failed, although the logs say that its getting the payload correctly.

pine swan
wooden stream
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Dont know what that means.

ashen coral
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Doesn't matter much before you get it into the coordinator anyway.

pine swan
pine swan
wooden stream
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Right, will check it out.
Still curious about why the light switch is giving me a fat red exclamation mark though.

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Again, the payload is logged properly, but it does claim that the interview failed, whatever that means.

pine swan
ashen coral
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And the question was why it is failing

wooden stream
pine swan
wooden stream
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And yes, it is in devices.

smoky tapir
brave nacelle
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strangely enough, i noticed my automation based on hygrometer values turns off the smart switch, but won't turn it on based on values

warped pebble
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so I have a Conbee II and I've been using DeConz for about a year and a half. I tried ZHA at first but found it to be buggy, but I know a year and a half is a long time. I'm interested in switching to either ZHA to Zigbee2MQTT to eliminate bugs and odd behavior with deconz where sometimes certain devices will just drop and need to be re-paired

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what are people's thoughts on ZHA or Z2M these days?

sterile sleet
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same thing can happen with z2m at least with bad luck in timing while the coordinator is gone

mellow geode
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I'd consider both ZHA and Z2M really stable at this point. If you can, maybe try out both and see what you like more.

tropic depot
warped pebble
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ok

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how would I go about debugging it

mellow geode
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With what devices are you having issues? (sensors/bulbs/plugs?)

warped pebble
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sometimes its the IKEA Tradfri on/off switches

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mostly them

mellow geode
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Any Tuya or OSRAM devices on your mesh?

grim igloo
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if he's already moving to z2m or zha then buying a new usb stick for like $20 isnt a bad idea anyways

mellow geode
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Yeah, that's why I made the recommendation. Some people have issues with Conbee sticks (and for others it works just fine)

grim igloo
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yeah

warped pebble
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i technically have paired an OSRAM ac-dc dimmer power supply but it's been a year since that's actually been active on the network

mellow geode
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So it's unplugged?

warped pebble
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checking if anything i have is tuya under the hood

grim igloo
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i've never used one, just seen lots of people here and on forums/reddit have issues

warped pebble
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no i don't think I have any Tuya devices

mellow geode
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Good. Some OSRAM and Tuya devices seem to randomly drop traffic passing through the mesh. They can't (mis-)route anything if they're not plugged in though.

mellow geode
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Also, when you say the IKEA on/off switches drop off the network, do you always need to re-pair them before they work again?

warped pebble
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also I've examined my Zigbee and Wifi channels and the overlap is low

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I run a separate hue system with a zigbee channel opposite the end of the spectrum as my conbee setup

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let me pull up my device list

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3 aqara FP1s, IKEA: 6 tradfri on/off switches, 1 symfonisk sound controller, 1 open/close switch, 1 e26 bulb, 1 e12 bulb, 2 on/off AC outlets. 4 Innr AC outlets, 1 Aqara/Lumi motion sensor, and a phillips hue PHDL00 bulb

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also an ikea range extender

mellow geode
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Are those E26/E12 bulbs all IKEA bulbs?

warped pebble
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correct

grim igloo
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each bulb acting as repeaters

warped pebble
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yeah

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that's my long term plan

grim igloo
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i'm very happy with all my hue devices moved off the hue hub

mellow geode
warped pebble
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as far as i can tell the ikea bulbs are all on their latest firmware

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i have OTA enabled in DeConz

mellow geode
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Can you check the sw_build_id (should be something like 2.3.x) on a few of the devices?

warped pebble
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sure

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wheres the best place to check that

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deConz or HA

mellow geode
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Uhm, I don't use deCONZ myself, so I'm not sure

warped pebble
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ahh lol i forgot two more ikea devices, I have two tradfri 5 button circular remotes

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the tradfri switches report version 2.3.079 in deconz and ha

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the ikea e12 bulb is 2.3.091

mellow geode
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Did you ever update firmware on the Conbee? (Although the latest firmware apparently has some issues too)

warped pebble
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its on the latest beta firmware

grim igloo
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are we in kill-it-with-fire territory yet?

warped pebble
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but these behaviors were occurring on the previous stable too

warped pebble
mellow geode
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Well, if you're already switching integrations, I'd recommend switching away from a Conbee lol

warped pebble
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but if i'm gonna have to re-pair all 30 devices I wanted to move in a more stable direction

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i'm open to that

grim igloo
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is your pi or whatever you run hass on centrally located?

warped pebble
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i'm open to buying whatever is considered the gold standard controller

grim igloo
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you might benefit from a tube PoE coordinator

warped pebble
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it is

grim igloo
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ah then not necessary

warped pebble
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the coordinator is stuck to a wall in the central room of the house

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equidistant from pretty much all devices

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misusing coordinator/controller

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which one refers to the physical antenna device/microcontroller

mellow geode
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I think you might be able to switch to ZHA (still using the Conbee). Then, you can power-cycle all mains-powered devices and ZHA should automatically pick them up. Then, ZHA should be able to migrate your network to another radio (like a CC2652) (so this shouldn't require re-pairing any mains-powered devices at least but I've never tried this, so don't count on it being correct)

grim igloo
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if i were you i'd decom the deconz, get a sonoff usb P dongle, switch over to z2m, get rid of hue hub, and never look back

grim igloo
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i'd rather start fresh and just do it right once

warped pebble
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for what it's worth i have tried hard to pair devices where they're located

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so that the initial routes they develop are what they'll use day to day

mellow geode
grim igloo
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gotcha

warped pebble
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do ZHA or Z2M have advantages over one another?

grim igloo
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if you search reddit and forum posts going back a couple years you see tons of people saying zha -> z2m -> happy boi but never the inverse

mellow geode
drowsy goblet
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I just started on HA this week but almost all the research I did people seemed to prefer zigbee2mqtt over zha

mellow geode
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But the core functionality is pretty much the same. Even OTA updates are supported by both ZHA and Z2M (although ZHA doesn't have a GUI for them at the moment)

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The ZHA "debug cluster UI" will be much nicer in 2022.11 (and better than Z2M's IMO)

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But Z2M is decoupled from HA which has some advantages too. But if my HA instance goes down, my Zigbee network still being up won't help lol

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If you get a new stick, just try out both maybe (with only a couple of devices for testing)

warped pebble
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the frustrating thing about all this is it feels random

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like, of course when I'm traveling my partner is stuck with a bunch of switches that just stopped working

mellow geode
mellow geode
warped pebble
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lol

mellow geode
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Oh also, put your Conbee stick on a USB extension cable if you haven't done so already

warped pebble
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i have done that yeah

nova crest
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I've got a Visonic MP-841 motion sensor and it connects to Z2M fine and during the walk test it detects completely fine, but once it switches to "normal mode" after 15 minutes, it's never detecting any motion. It states it has a 2 minute rearm timer, so I'd assume it'd detect 1x/2minutes, but it doesn't seem to even be doing that. Any ideas as to what might be up w/ it?

drowsy goblet
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woo! got my first Inovelli Blue switch connected. Now to figure out how the heck to use it lol

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Anyone farther ahead of me and have theirs set up for single/double clicks, etc

tropic depot
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what integration

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they are trivial to use

drowsy goblet
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not sure yet, I just started with HA yesterday pretty much lol, but I'll head to automations channel for that

tropic depot
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lol what zigbee integration are you using

drowsy goblet
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just set up a new mini pc with HA VM on proxmox, z2m with sonoff dongle, and inovelli blue switch in smart bulb mode, intending to control hue bulbs

tropic depot
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see if z2m exposes device triggers for it

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in the automation editor pick device for the trigger type

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pick the switch for the device and see what your options are

grim igloo
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Probably better off using service light.turn_on with the light entity not device

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Device options are super limited

tropic depot
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these arent normal switches

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well that's sad

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in zha we expose 7 actions per button

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the normal light stuff

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and LED bar control for them as device actions

grim igloo
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sorry i guess i misunderstood. i was suggesting using that for turning the smart bulb on not the switch

drowsy goblet
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this switch has like 60+ things exposed

tropic depot
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yep

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it's insane

drowsy goblet
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kinda neat

grim igloo
tropic depot
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you can disable the relay

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control ramp and dimming rates

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all of the startup behavior is customizable

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there are 7 LEDs in the face plate that you can use for visual notifications

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tracks current energy pull + summation

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you can invert it, set mins and max for the dimming to custom levels etc.

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pretty much every aspect of it can be customized

grim igloo
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yeah

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sounds about what we have with some of the zwave switches

tropic depot
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inovelli?

grim igloo
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(i went zigbee bulbs and zwave switches)

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zooz for me

tropic depot
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ah

grim igloo
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half the price lol

tropic depot
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🙂

grim igloo
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i use the scene controls to do double/triple tap and stuff

tropic depot
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nice

grim igloo
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im working on redoing all my automations better with hopefully a script so i can change one thing and all my automations change

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instead of manually changing each one

smoky tapir
# grim igloo Device options are super limited

wrong forum, but going to ask. I just setup a push button to turn on off playing music on mediaplayer device, I did this from automation-blueprint to the button, and then some if/then logic. Is there any recommended docs to highlight decisions like device vs entity, etc?

grim igloo
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in general you'll find blueprints are pretty lacking and much harder to make/edit than scripts/automations tho

smoky tapir
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oh the automation was actually straight forward (it works). Just wondering about design decisions of scripts vs automations etc

grim igloo
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cool when getting started.. ultimately not that useful except for edge cases like making functionality on a hue dimmer remote the same as it was with hue hub

grim igloo
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also device ids change if you replace a bulb, strip, etc with another one but if you rename the new device the same as the old then the entities used in automations scripts etc arent broken

smoky tapir
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yeah, that's the stuff i need to see if i can figure out before doing anything too fancy

grim igloo
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there's no rulebook for all the things

smoky tapir
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ok, so experiment and see 🙂

grim igloo
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i'm working on my first youtube video where im gonna go over all this kind of stuff that i've learned on here and reddit

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cuz imo there's no ultimate guide for that kind of stuff

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just a bunch of nuggets here and there

sour shadow
smoky tapir
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the toggle button automation is pretty simple, built in the gui, but the yaml is easy to understand

sour shadow
smoky tapir
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thanks, I'll start there, since writing the music thing as a "function" that can be called with different arguments would make more sense

grim igloo
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i've also never really stumbled across a good "guide" on things to do when getting started

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like you have to figure out to use certain naming conventions and just all kinds of little quirks out on your own as you go

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unless you find some one off tutorial or talk to someone online about it

smoky tapir
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I haven't found anything, on a plus side, i'm about to wipe everything and start fresh 🙂

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well technically not wipe, just start fresh on new box, so have the old box to reference when i forgot what i added

grim igloo
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i did that once but no need to again

warped pebble
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to follow up on the potential conbee to [some other zigbee device] migration, is the Sonoff usb 3.0 Dongle Plus-E Gateway the best bet for ZHA/Zigbee2MQTT?

grim igloo
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That’s what I use and suggest to people

mellow geode
grim igloo
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shit you're right i meant P

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i was gonna follow up with the link from z2m docs

warped pebble
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ahh ok so NOT Plus-E

grim igloo
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notice the e is way down there with a disclaimer

warped pebble
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oh yeah

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wow glad i double checked

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only the E model is on amazon and i almost bought it

grim igloo
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P model seemed to have disappeared overnight

warped pebble
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this is the link sonoff's own website has from the P page

grim igloo
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i bought the p dongle from ali express for $19 and it ended up shipping from california even tho i paid to ship frm china

warped pebble
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the tech specs on that amazon listing say P

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so i might be ok

grim igloo
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nice

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it's suggested to update the firmware when you get it

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i followed a guide to download python and do it that way.. it was pretty painless

warped pebble
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k

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the next complication i have to tackle is that i'm running all my home automation apps as docker containers on my synology

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eventually i will move to a NUC as my server, but right now that's my always-on computer

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and with Synology's OS version 7 they got rid of USB support for everything except hard drives and UPS's

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so I had to run a script to install the drivers for the conbee

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and i'm sure i'll have to do something similar for the sonoff

grim igloo
#

so haos in in a vm on syno or it's a docker install too?

warped pebble
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Home assistant is running as a docker container

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not a full HAOS setup

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so the host OS (Synology DSM) needs to have drivers to "see" the USB device and then pass that into the docker container

grim igloo
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frankly i like the simplicity of haos and full backup and restore functionality built in and ease of use for addons but i understand why some like docker

warped pebble
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i'm mostly doing that because to do HAOS would require a full VM for it

grim igloo
#

anyways they dont like us going too far off topic in channels

warped pebble
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when i migrate everything to a dedicated server box i might consdier it

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right right

grim igloo
wooden stream
sterile sleet
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Put your usb sticks on a pi, run mqtt.
This way you wont have trouble with Ha container on symology

warped pebble
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that's another option

grim igloo
#

you can also buy a PoE controller

warped pebble
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I have a spare pi0-2w

grim igloo
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instead of sonoff dongle

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and add zigbee over lan that way

warped pebble
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i like that idea too

sterile sleet
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You will run into trouble with every syno update

warped pebble
#

what's the best bet there

grim igloo
warped pebble
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(i'm looking at the zigbee2mqtt devices page but not sure which of their network suggestions is best)

grim igloo
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tube's coordinator is pretty well loved here

warped pebble
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OOS, but of course

grim igloo
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expensive and out of stock often

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but @molten linden can tell us when they're coming back

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you can also build your own- he open sources the BOM and everything

warped pebble
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thats cool

wooden stream
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Should I re-post my question at a later time?

mellow geode
molten linden
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I have to check my supplies just about out of poe-esp32s as my resupply order was delayed. at most plentiful stock in about 10-14days for sure

wooden stream
mellow geode
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Not using Z2M, but it looks like the request times out. Send the bind command and then immediately press a button on the remote

wooden stream
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Will try, 2 sec.

wooden stream
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Thanks ❤️ ❤️

mellow geode
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Awesome!

wooden stream
mellow geode
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Perhaps the initial interview didn't complete fully. Did you try to pair it again?

wooden stream
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I did, still the same icon. Not sure what it entails.

mellow geode
#

Those are the different Zigbee clusters (search "Zigbee clusters LevelControl" or "... OnOff").
You likely just want to bind OnOff + LevelControl (and in some cases Scenes/Groups)

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Basically, all OnOff commands get sent to the OnOff cluster. Devices that support brightness have the LevelControl cluster (where brightness requests get sent) and so on

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And if you want to bind a remote to another device, you bind the clusters, so that if the remote sets a on command on the OnOff cluster, the other device "receives it on its OnOff cluster" and then turns on (simplified)

warped pebble
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going to order the Sonoff P coordinator and I put myself on the wait list for Tube's PoE version

grim igloo
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nice

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the p coordinator can be flashed to be a dedicated router in the future

warped pebble
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ooo elaborate

grim igloo
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so if you have spotty signal or something you can reuse it there

warped pebble
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OH got it

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that's neat

grim igloo
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although mains powered devices should already be repeaters

warped pebble
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right

grim igloo
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i'm not sure where to draw the line or how much improvement a dedicated stick adds

warped pebble
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related, is there a spot on this discord for selling stuff? like my ConBeeII

grim igloo
warped pebble
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lol

grim igloo
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why not encase it in resin so no one is forced to use it

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kind of like that guy on reddit with the hotdog

warped pebble
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hahaha

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I wish I could remember how I ended up on ConBeeII + DeConz when i was getting started

grim igloo
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so you can go shoot them?

warped pebble
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now i'm amazed I didn't get perma-banned for saying I use one!

grim igloo
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when people have issues with zigbee it's usually either con* related or it's crap mesh or it's some china brand device on the mesh that is dropping routes like some sonoff devices

warped pebble
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interesting that Sonoff makes a recommended coordinator but crappy devices

grim igloo
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i think it's the zbmini

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maybe a few devices of theirs are wonky

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basically before investing in new devices check here or on forums/reddit to make sure there arent people saying run

mellow geode
wooden stream
mellow geode
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That's the cluster for covers/blinds (like the commands for open/close get sent there. You wanna bind that if you bind your cover remote)

grim igloo
warped pebble
mellow geode
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Well, the E does work nicely with ZHA (but still experimental for Z2M)

warped pebble
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ahh i see

grim igloo
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it's using a new chip so it isnt necessarily bad

warped pebble
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whereas the P works for both?

grim igloo
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they both work

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the e is just new and basically beta for z2m

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the e has the same chip in it that the new nabu casa one has

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and iirc p doesnt support matter but e does or will?

smoky tapir
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I bought an "E" for ZHA, just for simplicity, but at $30 or $20 with slower shipping, get one of each if you want

warped pebble
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when matter begins to "matter" i'll likely upgrade/sidegrade again

grim igloo
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im not holding my breath

warped pebble
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right now my house is pretty much set with what it needs

grim igloo
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with us home assistant guys i dont even see much of a benefit to thread/matter

smoky tapir
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a bunch of this stuff is cheap enough compared to the time suck to fight with stuff that isn't working....

grim igloo
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other than devices that can be joined via bluetooth if the device has an extra radio on it

warped pebble
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another question, is it possible to bind switches to lights in zigbee2mqtt AND have a switch control automations in HA? Like, could I have switches bound to other zigbee lights as a fallback in case ha is down?

mellow geode
# grim igloo and iirc p doesnt support matter but e does or will?

For the upcoming SkyConnect, there's already pre-built alpha/beta firmware and addons available that support both Zigbee and Thread at the same time.
Since the Sonoff E uses the same Silicon Labs chip, the firmware could also be built for that device.

Texas Instruments (Sonoff P) also has OpenThread firmware, but I don't think they support running both concurrently. (but I'm not up-to-date on that)

Either way, it's probably recommended to get a separate stick for Zigbee/Thread network, so they can be on separate channels (and some other stuff). But running both on one stick will be a good way to get started with both Zigbee and Thread in the future

TL;DR both sticks could eventually support Thread too (possibly not concurrently though)

warped pebble
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this is helpful thank you

smoky tapir
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i assume no issues with running two sonoff-e sticks at same time?

mellow geode
warped pebble
mellow geode
smoky tapir
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I could run two zigbee networks for example (if for some reason i wanted/needed to)

wooden stream
mellow geode
warped pebble
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hrm.

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ok

mellow geode
final kestrel
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I ordered a skyconnect but I’m using the zigbee part mostly for my current Phillips hue etc and all of my future stuff will be thread. I really like the multiple hub thing… it goes soo well with my love for Kubernetes

warped pebble
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another question, if i migrate all my Hue devices over to a single ZHA/Zigbee2MQTT network I'll have something like 50-60 devices, maybe 1/2 to 2/3rds will be routers. Is that still a healthy sized network or is it too big

mellow geode
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A Hue Bridge couldn't handle that, a CC2652 will though

grim igloo
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People here push 200 without issues

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My p dongle has like 50 on it now

mellow geode
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Yeah, I'm running at a bit over 100 devices too without issues (ZHA + CC2652)

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I did have to put some IKEA bulbs/plugs on a separate mesh though, because they didn't always route traffic for some of my Hue bulbs. Never figured out why exactly and didn't see anyone else with this issue really

warped pebble
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Yeah the 50 device number comes from me already having 30 on my conbee and another 20 or so on the hue hub currently

grim igloo
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Seems that’s one benefit of zwave standards vs zigbee @mellow geode

warped pebble
grim igloo
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More closely adhering to spec for important shit like that

mellow geode
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it's likely an issue in the Silicon Labs stack version IKEA uses for some of the devices (6.3.1 or something outdated like that)

warped pebble
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I forgot that I have a tradfri hub running like…one bulb, one motion sensor, my blinds, and a symfonisk audio controller

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Going to migrate that to z2m as well

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Sell both the hue and ikea hubs

final kestrel
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But hue is the gold standard

warped pebble
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Both the hue and ikea stuff predate me using HA

grim igloo
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hue motion sensors are gold standard

final kestrel
#

I was very disappointed in my non hue zigbee bulbs with their color reproductions

mellow geode
grim igloo
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everything else is at best equal to other stuff but still more expensive

final kestrel
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Eve motion is the golden standard… but that’s a thread and soon matter device

warped pebble
mellow geode
warped pebble
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Oh really? They’ve been awesome in the three rooms I use them in

smoky tapir
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I have a bunch of hue ones (on a hue hub), refurbs on ebay 🙂

final kestrel
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Hue is very fast

warped pebble
#

But I also pair them with PIR sensors in a helper group

grim igloo
final kestrel
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Helper group?

grim igloo
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group made in helper tab

mellow geode
warped pebble
grim igloo
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for liek $30 a piece they were a bad investment

warped pebble
final kestrel
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That’s cool

mellow geode
warped pebble
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So if either sensor says there’s presence, the presence sensor is on

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Once they both go off, the helper device is “off”

grim igloo
mellow geode
#

Because you can see the inner diffusor?

grim igloo
final kestrel
#

I can probably use all of my ecobee sensors then once they update my thermostat for matter so I can make it local

grim igloo
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very little actual change in brightness

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i'll never suggest them to people lol

final kestrel
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Ah that… they don’t get very dim

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I like the hue color bulbs

grim igloo
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i cant justify 40ish a bulb

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that's ridiculous

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i have two rgbw-cct bulbs from athom flashed with wled (singled bulbs i think) and they were like $12 each

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for rgb i use led strips i make with esp devices running wled

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so i get rgb via strips and light via bulbs

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pretty good solution imo

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and for light switches i use zwave cuz i didnt love the zigbee options

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although the inovelli ones look pretty good

mellow geode
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The result certainly looks interesting

grim igloo
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even if i did like the look of that i'd definitely break them

grim igloo
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hahaha

acoustic berry
#

Hey does anyone have a suggestion for a zigbee dongle for raspberry pi? I have some sengled bulbs and am tired of their crappy hubs.

warped pebble
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if you scroll up theres discussion about this because i was curious about the same thing

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the general consensus is a sonoff USB P dongle

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with the E version fully supported in ZHA (home assistant's built in Zigbee integration) but beta support in Zigbee2MQTT (an app integration that works with home assistant but is separate from it)

grim igloo
sterile sleet
grim igloo
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Not sure if we said that above

warped pebble
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@sterile sleet this is the first time i've seen pinned messages be useful in a discord, thanks for posting that

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i wouldn't have looked

grim igloo
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No one looks it’s easier to just link what’s there

smoky tapir
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I'm now in reset device hell trying to get a zigbee button to connect to the closer router (power monitor plug)

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i orgiinally did stuff all from my desk, not the location where the button will end up

mellow geode
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does the button work when it connects to a further router? if so, i wouldn't bother resetting it (at some point, it might move back to a farther router)

mellow geode
smoky tapir
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it wasn't connecting where it was, i dropped another router near it, and another one to bridge that one 🙂

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i've got a mesh of red lines in the visualizer now 🙂

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and a yellow one from the button on my desk as it connects to the router downstairs, vs the coodinater 15 feet away, or the other router 3 feet away

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i was hoping deleting it from zha, then resetting it would "reset" the learned position. That may have been an incorrect assumption

mellow geode
smoky tapir
#

the answer may be leave this crap alone for 24 hours ago

mellow geode
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yeah haha

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the map doesn't update instantly

smoky tapir
#

yeah, discovering the button on the UI labeled "refresh topology" is a null-action

mellow geode
#

just re-joining it (won't make a difference whether or not you remove it from ZHA) will make it pick a (possibly) new parent/router

mellow geode
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and then you'll need to refresh

smoky tapir
#

my network is a coordinator, 4 routers, and 3 buttons

mellow geode
#

it also updates every couple of hours/days

smoky tapir
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I've got a completely independent hue network with ~40 devices, but that has no impact here (other than potentially overlapped channels)

mellow geode
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by default, ZHA is on channel 15. In the Hue app, you can check what your Hue network is on (and move it if needed)

grim igloo
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And hopefully APs aren’t on ht40 band width bleeding into zigbee channels

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Everyone ignores Wi-Fi lol

smoky tapir
#

i'm probably stomping over zigbee with wifi also

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hue is on channel 25

mellow geode
#

15, 20, 25 are the Zigbee channels you want to use (less WiFi interference with 20 MHz and compatible with most/all devices)

grim igloo
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I think that link is on a black list for ads or tracking cuz it doesn’t resolve for me

smoky tapir
#

of course the ubiquiti data shows 171 AP's in the area.... (but pretty sure that includes cars that drive near by)

mellow geode
#

and for WiFi you only want to use 1, 6, 11 (20 MHz)

grim igloo
mellow geode
#

even here in Europe, I've never seen someone use channel 13/14. I think there are quite a few devices that are incompatible

smoky tapir
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HT20 1&11 on my 2.4ghz range, I think i dropped all the 2.4 to narrow on purpose

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it defaulted to ht40, but if a device is connecting at 2.4 I want a signal, not speed

grim igloo
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Ya too noisey on 40 for me I think

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5ghz I’m using vht80 tho

mellow geode
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2.4 GHz 40 MHz WiFi should be illegal lol. UniFi doesn't have it enabled by default at all

mellow geode
grim igloo
#

No Wi-Fi 6 devices or clients here

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I was waiting for 6e and apparently UniFi thinks only businesses and super rich people need it

smoky tapir
#

I use a technology called twisted pair for most of my gear 🙂

grim igloo
#

How’s that work on your phone?

smoky tapir
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really poorly

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🙂

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desktop and laptop with docking stations though love it

mellow geode
grim igloo
#

Nice

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All my shit is one generation too old for 6

smoky tapir
#

i have a 6 AP, but you aren't going to saturate a 1gig link unless you are standing next to it, and you are in a farady cage

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2x nano-hd's and a u6-lite

grim igloo
#

I think their in wall units are the best option for in room 5/6ghz with eth and PoE out

smoky tapir
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i've got multi gig to the desktop, ran 2.5ghz and have sonic.net "10" gig fiber into the house, which is about 4gig from the UDM

grim igloo
smoky tapir
grim igloo
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I don’t think anyone brags about living in Fremont smile

smoky tapir
#

I'm up in oakland

mellow geode
smoky tapir
grim igloo
#

Overall throughput matters way more than per device though

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Only thing you need bandwidth for on a phone or tablet is FaceTime or streaming

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Even 4k unlimited bitrate is like 120mbps

sterile sleet
#

topic ? anyone? 😄

smoky tapir
#

wifi speeds

grim igloo
smoky tapir
#

in this case it's also impact on zigbee channel selection

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which is how we got here

grim igloo
#

We’re circling back to zigbee

smoky tapir
#

so it was justified

sterile sleet
#

2.4ghz

smoky tapir
#

2.4ghz the wasteland of radio frequencies

grim igloo
#

Yea the thing that zigbee uses

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I’m actually amazed thread and matter decided to join the party

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Fuckin shit decision

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And Bluetooth lol (with matter)

sterile sleet
#

and water

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and microwaves

grim igloo
#

Lorawan seems cool but I’ve never played with it and am not sure how low of latency you can get compared to other IoT stuff like zigbee

grim igloo
smoky tapir
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will keep that in mind

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well one button seems to have remapped itself

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need the topology map to show the "area" the item is in, i guess i made the mistake of labeling my devices with numbers

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"Sonoff button 01", "Sengled Power 01"

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Need to figure out if those are getting renamed to "Living Room Button" etc

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i'm redoing all this over the weekend on new server if anyone has any suggestions on such things 🙂

warped pebble
#

Do any of you know of any zigbee outlet dimmers?

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Right now I’m using two Legrand wifi/HomeKit dimmers but I would prefer to have these two be zigbee as well

grim igloo
#

the homekit can be added directly to hass via homekit controller

warped pebble
#

I do that currently yeah

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But one device pooped itself in the past and I have a feeling there’s something about powering dimmable LEDs they don’t like (despite the documentation saying any total dimmable LED load below 100w is fine, and I have 60w max load)

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The one in the living room always ends up just having a blinking red led on it which isn’t even mentioned in the manual!

grim igloo
grim igloo
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i havent heard of a dimmer outlet before -.-

warped pebble
#

correct

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it's kind of a niche setup because "why not just get zigbee bulbs?"

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but they're dimmable plant lights from Soltech

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that plug into the wall

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so i have them in a track light setup that terminates in a regular 110v ac plug

silent crest
smoky tapir
#

brand new stick and band new zigbee devices (buttons and power monitors)

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in ZHA, devices->sonoff zigbee 3.0 usb dongle plus v2 ZHA (configure) -> (add device) button. Then reset your device, and wait for discovery. Took me about 5-10 seconds for discovery.

smoky tapir
silent crest
smoky tapir
#

may be able to try now, brb

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or not, don't have a spare hue bulb, i thought i had one

silent crest
#

No problem! If you ever try reach back if you can!

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Meanwhile i will try to continue debugging

smoky tapir
#

it see's the usb stick, you didn't plug it into a usb3 slot, or if you did you have it on an extension cord?

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usb3 + the zigbee usb stick - second sticky has some references

brave nacelle
#

i'm putting a sensor in the mailbox

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this way i know when the mail is picked up/delivered lol

odd mango
#

hi. How hard is it to port Z2M device to ZHA? I have posted a device support request, but might just do it myself.

silent crest
silent crest
tropic depot
odd mango
#

um, looked around, could not find it. Maybe looking in wrong places?

odd mango
#

@tropic depot would you point me to that tutorial please

tropic depot
odd mango
#

oh

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I'm thinking perhaps it would be easier to find a similar device and modify it

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what ma be closest to this?

odd mango
odd mango
#

@tropic depot so I have copied this device to custom quirks folder, just changed the device info. It worked, I now have a working switch entity and a a single "unknown" electrical measurement. From this point I will need some guidance...

wooden stream
#

Does anybody have the link to the docs on Binding, that explains the binding groups?

naive ruin
#

Firmware version(aka Firmware: 0x01001404) on Zigbee devices are inherited from Zigbee standard or in HA it's somehow processed?

unique quiver
#

Hey I do have really odd behaviour - my zigbee smart valve does not update current temperature, it changes only when I completly delete device and pair it - any ideas?

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Im using ZHA

terse geode
# mellow geode uh, not really. IKEA remotes could only be bound to groups in the past, but a fi...

Hey there! Using Home Assistant with ZHA (Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle) to control my lights (from LIDL).
Bought the 2 Button IKEA TRADFRI Switch today, not able to pair - won't show up, instead connected to a Bulb (which was connected to ZHA before), kicking it out of my ZHA. Now i'm not able to re-pair the Bulb (even after removing it completely and resetting it), the IKEA Switches also won't connect.
TL;DR: Do Ikea Tradfri Switches (Square 2-Button Version) work with ZHA?

mellow geode
#

Yes, they do. If you want to pair them, you have to press the button on them four times quickly IIRC. You can bind them later using the ZHA UI

terse geode
#

@mellow geode oops sry for mentioning. Searched for IKEA here if the problem was common

mellow geode
#

For the light, try to lookup the IKEA video on how to reset it. It can be finicky to get the timing right (to reset it)

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Also allow joins in ZHA (so click the "Add Devices" button)

terse geode
#

Yeah already did the reset with pressing 4 times in 5 Seconds, but there is also a pairing Mode after a 10s long press, the manual told

mellow geode
#

Yeah, you don't want that. (That only binds directly to bulbs using TouchLink without joining your Zigbee network at all)

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You want to do the "pressing 4 times quickly" and hope that the switch finally decides to join your ZHA network

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It can take multiple tries (otherwise, maybe change the battery)

terse geode
#

Good to know, thx m8!

unique quiver
austere patio
unique quiver
#

It ident itself as TS0601

austere patio
#

And by "update current temperature", do you mean the ambient temperature, or the set point?

unique quiver
#

ambient temp

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TS0601 from _TZE200_husqqvux

austere patio
#

More Tuya...

unique quiver
#

yeah

austere patio
#

Have you tried clicking the "Reconfigure" button to try to setup attribute reporting again?

unique quiver
#

Yup, many times

austere patio
#

What does it show?

unique quiver
#

Reconfiguring device: _TZE200_husqqvux TS0601 -> both show checkmark

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temp is the same

austere patio
#

Can you screenshot the "show details" table?

unique quiver
#

I whuld love to but I cant upload images here

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hold up

austere patio
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Upload the image to any image hosting site

unique quiver
#

hold up

austere patio
#

It probably needs to be polled continuously and doesn't actually support attribute reporting

unique quiver
#

Here are the values, hope you can see something from it

unique quiver
#

Okay so I tryed (i hope) manually reading the temp from it and even that shows incorrect temp

mellow geode
#

Using the clusters UI?

unique quiver
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Yup

mellow geode
#

How is the cluster named?

unique quiver
#

ZONNSMARTThermostat

mellow geode
#

Yeah, that's a "fake cluster". The Tuya valves do weird stuff and "zhaquirks"/(GitHub repo: zha-device-handlers) tries to convert the device into one that follows spec, so ZHA can communicate with it

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So the data on the "fake cluster" isn't even updated correctly

unique quiver
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jesus

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yeah as you can see here since I last time paired it the temps have not change

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and thats like 3 weeks now

mellow geode
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yeah, Tuya devices are horrible to support

unique quiver
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So what to do with it now?

mellow geode
unique quiver
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Replace the files or is there some dev branch in hassio I can switch to

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Oh ok

mellow geode
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The Home Assistant beta is currently live (2022.11.0b0). You can switch to it if you want but I don't think there were any specific Tuya valve changes for ZHA

terse geode
mellow geode
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You can try the binding. Depending on your firmware version, it'll only work for a ZHA group or (multiple) single devices.
Go to the HA device page of the IKEA switch/remote, click on the three dots and select "Manage Zigbee Device".
Then, click on the "Bindings" tab. You can either select a bulb in the upper menu to bind to as a "single device". Press "Bind" and then instantly press a button on the remote, so it wakes up and can hopefully bind to it.
https://i.imgur.com/VZpfoGJ.png

If that doesn't work and/or you want to bind it to a Zigbee group (make sure that you've created one with the bulbs (Settings -> Integrations -> "configure" ZHA -> click the "Groups" tab at the top and then create a group with the relevant bulbs there):
Again, open the Bindings tab on the switch but this time, ignore the upper menu and in the lower selection menu, select your ZHA light group and then select the "OnOff", "LevelControl", and "Groups" cluster to bind. Press "Bind Group" and instantly press a button on the remote, so it wakes up and can bind to the group (if the firmware allows).
https://i.imgur.com/jMxAhMJ.png

terse geode
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Thanks, that are corners of ZHA i've never been before. Created a group, set those checkboxes, but when i click on "bind group" and press buttons on the switch nothing happens (but in the log i see the button fire events, so they are recognized).
Anyway, you deserve a cool beer. Gonna try it tomorrow, i'm a bit frustrated now 😄

slender sapphire
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Cannot connect with zha through Home assistant integration wizard. Sonoff Zigbee Pro flashed with Tasmota 12.2.0.2 when I get to the screen where I'm supposed to put in the socket and the connection speed it won't connect..... even though I'm able to access the Zigbee bridge via WiFi..... followed the tutorials on: https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Sonoff_ZBBridge-P.html and digiblur but something's missing. I'm even able to see the aqanet sensors on the Tasmota home page. Just can't get home assistant to link up.

terse geode
mellow geode
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It's more that the switch is bound to the bulbs (and not the other way around). Events should still show up in HA too.
What you did looks right to me. Can you try pressing a button before and/or immediately during binding?
Also, try binding the switch to a single bulb only and see if that works

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You can check the firmware version of the dimmer too. It's in the first tab (clusters): Basic -> read sw_build_id (press a button to wake up the device)

terse geode
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Yeah, the other one worked! At least i bought 4 pieces 😄 Thank you! Also works without HA running (plugged the Zigbee dongle off), so i got a fallback, that makes me more happy 😄

vital bluff
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So I've got an Aqara smart plug that has been great so far. Was about to purchase a few more but then stumbled on this article

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I've had zero issues with the Aqara smart plug using a Sonoff dongle and ZHA but am a little wary getting a bunch more of there may be issues down the line.

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Anyone have any perspective on this for a new user, should I just switch to the Sonoff S40 Lite?

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And is it known if Aqara devices can connect to Sonoff plugs as routers?

smoky tapir
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in the same vein, just got HA installed on a LenovoTiny, and plugged in an additional power monitoring sengled dongle (Zigbee), and getting a bunch of 0 readings - https://owncloud.dhp.com/index.php/s/8FCZIw8b71hXBDy - however, I literally just plugged it in 2 hours ago and paired it to ZHA on my raspberrypi setup. Is the zero a potential zigbee drop while the mesh is forming?

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my mesh visualizer doesn't show it actually connected to anything yet

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and now it does, will see if the zero's go away

smoky tapir
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they didn't

gleaming jay
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just got an ikea symphonisk dial remote and i've paired it a bunch of times (seems successful), but when I listen on the events zha_event i hear nothing from it

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any tips on getting this thing to work?

odd mango
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symfonisk is feird.

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weird

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one time it works, other does not.

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of fires 4 events at once

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too much trouble to use...

sour shadow
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Anyone have any perspective on this for

smoky tapir
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fyi, removing a sengled power monitor from zha appears to turn it off, while adding it back in, turns the power back on

junior reef
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I'm trying to pair the motion sensor that is reported as supported (https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/IH012-RT01.html) However upon pairing HA reports them (tried 2 so far) as unsupported. I'm using Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 USB Dongle Plus and Z2M 1.28.0-1. What am I missing?

sour shadow
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The light is likely set to the default of optimistic, and there's no Reporting set up. That means that Z2M assumes the light turned on (or off) when it was asked to.

Options include:

  1. Untick optimistic in the device settings (in Z2M)
  2. Configure Reporting in Z2M to report the OnOff cluster's onOff attribute every (say) 90 seconds
  3. Use a Zigbee group (https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/configuration/devices-groups.html#groups) to control all the lights as one, increasing the reliability of turning on/off multiple devices at once
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When you try to turn on/off a bunch of devices at the same time you get that many messages on the mesh, which can result in some getting lost

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I use (2) for all my lights, all set for different intervals to avoid things happening in lockstep

maiden cliff
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If Reporting tells X2M that an entity's state is different to what it expcted it to be, in what direction does it fix the state of the lightbulb? Does it make the actual bulb match what hass/z2m think the state should be, by resending the message, or does it fix the hass/z2m entities to match the actual bulb?

sour shadow
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Nothing fixes anything

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It simply means that Z2M (and so HA) know what reality is, vs what they thought it was

maiden cliff
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That's what I would call teh z2m/hass entities getting fixed in the sense of matching reality.

rapid dawnBOT
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@harsh zenith I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
drowsy goblet
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sadly I'm too new to be able to help with that, though I have a question that maybe you can help with

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Anyone with Inovelli Blue and is using z2m, and know a good way to either set up the switch or diagnose why it seems really really slow

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The first time I turn on or off the switch it may take 3-5 seconds or even longer for my hue lights to change. After the first few clicks it speeds up but it's still slow, 1-3 seconds.

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This is using a flashed sonoff 3.0 P dongle, z2m, inovelli blue switch in smart bulb mode, hue lights also paired to z2m

molten linden
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I believe it was 3 seconds by default.

drowsy goblet
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hmm

molten linden
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looks to be there as well as Button Delay

grim igloo
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my zooz (zwave) light switches dont seem to have that issue/limitation

molten linden
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if you set it to 0 the press how is it to distinguish a multi press?

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as 0 does a single press immediately

grim igloo
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im not sure how their logic works lol

molten linden
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you need a delay as long as it takes to perform all the multi tap

drowsy goblet
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I'd think you could do it in automation, if a button is pressed check the last time a button was pressed

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ie detect multi-taps in automation not on the switch

grim igloo
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it's certainly not a second or more, that would be super noticable on my side

drowsy goblet
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I'm not sure I'm getting a good zigbee signal though, I can't seem to set the config in z2m

molten linden
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I got nothing there. I know when I installed it, the delay was noticeable. Set it to 0, and it was immediate. but wasn't able to get any multi-tap events

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set it to 1 and am able to get double, triple, quad to work, think I got quintuple once too

grim igloo
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i noticed with my switch i was able to do single/double etc presses but it was still triggering the single when i did a double etc so i had to start using "value notification" automations to trigger scenes (multi taps) and that fixed it. thats a zwave only thing though

molten linden
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inovelli forums might be a a better resource for these too given their new-ness.

drowsy goblet
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I think it's a signal issue now, check this out

molten linden
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the's def some talk on the forums about that.

drowsy goblet
molten linden
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seems to be variable though. the single one I have installed now is fine, but dmulcahey has one that works fine on his desk, but signals drop out after it's in the wall.

drowsy goblet
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I've just got the one hooked up so far

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19 to go but want to get 1 working first 🙂

ionic abyss
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anybody have connectivity issues with the aqara P1? i have a few that worked fine and one now that pairs but sends no events and is stuck in a state

sudden comet
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Anyone get an inovelli blue working with an husbzb-1?

molten linden
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what's the issue? @sudden cometthey should work with it.

sudden comet
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I didn’t think I would need zigbee2mqtt however the light switch manual says I do.

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And well, that isn’t apparently compatible

molten linden
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the blues work fine with zha.

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I have one.

tropic depot
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I have 8

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they work

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and well

molten linden
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not using the husbzb-1 any more, but it's known to be pretty good with interference issues

tropic depot
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should have 10.... but I cooked 2 :S

lilac wharf
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Oof. How?

tropic depot
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tried to install one in a 6 way

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and thought I had it mapped out correctly

lilac wharf
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Dafuq? You have a 6-way switch setup?

tropic depot
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I did not so I inadvertently piped mains in from an adjacent circuit

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and had mains on 2 legs

molten linden
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it's a really important light

tropic depot
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it's for a hallway

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smh

lilac wharf
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Jeebus lol

tropic depot
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yep

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all 5 switches are within 8 ft of each other too

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it's very silly

sudden comet
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Yeah this isn’t working at all

tropic depot
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are you sire it is in pairing mode?

sudden comet
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The blue is flashing for pairing

tropic depot
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they give up after 3 mins I think

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pull the air gap

sudden comet
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I even did the reset for it to go back to pairing

tropic depot
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the reset I had issues w/

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I pull the air gap

sudden comet
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Pull the air gap?

tropic depot
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the notch at the bottom

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use a small flat head

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and pop it out towards you

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it doesn't come all the way out

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but it will temporarily break the circuit for the switch

sudden comet
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Okay. It’s out

tropic depot
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pop it back in

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then try again

sudden comet
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It did not restart it.

tropic depot
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didn't pull it out far enough

lilac wharf
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|| pull out game weak ||

tropic depot
sudden comet
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Alright. Everything died. I pushed it back in. Flashing again

tropic depot
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try now

sudden comet
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Searching for zigbee devices just spinning all day long.

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Does it matter for pairing if it’s being setup without neutral

tropic depot
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no

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you have ground attached right?

sudden comet
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For sure

tropic depot
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w/o neutral ground is essential

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what integration?

molten linden
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(but mine paired without ground - I added it later).

vital bluff
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This is probably a longshot but does anyone know if the Enbrighten/Jasco outdoor smart switch 43100 works as a Zigbee repeater/router?

sudden comet
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HubZ smart home controller

sudden comet
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Frustrating for sure

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I’ve only ever run zwave devices off this stick. It’s possible it’s broken I suppose

tropic depot
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this the first zigbee device?

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2 questions for you

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is the stick on an extension cable

sudden comet
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Yes

tropic depot
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do you use the bluetooth integration

sudden comet
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No

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It’s not even listed on the integrations

tropic depot
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huh

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oh bt

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sorry

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so the yes was to an extension cable?

sudden comet
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Yes

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I’d send a pic however it doesn’t seem like I can

tropic depot
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DM me

drowsy goblet
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^ I had a similar problem pairing my blue switch yesterday

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It took me a few tries, but eventually the air gap pull, wait for it to pulse blue, then tell z2m to search it would find it. It was initially unsupported so I had to update firmware on the sonoff zigbee dongle. Since then it's been pairing more easily.

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for what it's worth, I'm in Chicago so I have metal switch boxes, and I don't think I'm getting a great zigbee signal, so the pairing may be pretty conditional on a good signal and no wifi interference

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related to blue switches, and not to zigbee.... did you guys find the screw terminals to be HORRIBLE for solid wire around-the-screw? there isn't enough clearance it's almost impossible to get the wire wrapped around

tropic depot
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why are you using the screw like that and not the terminal itself

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just curious

drowsy goblet
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if you put the wire straight into the terminal it comes out the back of the switch and when you push the switch into a shallow box it bends it and eventually it can break

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whereas if you screw it in, instead of a sharp 90 angle, you can get a little curve since the wire is more on the side of the switch, and when you press the switch into a shallow box it doesnt require as much of a kink in the wire

grim igloo
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sounds like you should use pigtails off of wire nuts / wagos so you can route cables better

tropic depot
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and man

drowsy goblet
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that doesnt change it though, you still have a solid 14ga wire coming straight out the back of the switch

tropic depot
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til about wagos

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those things are awesome

drowsy goblet
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it's basically a screwed in backstab connction = horrible

grim igloo
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wagos are super nice

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backstab by definition isnt screwed in, which is bad

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the screwed in clamp down and it's a better more reliable connection

tropic depot
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I have 8 in using the terminals.... some in crowded 3 gang boxes w/o issues. Thermal imaging to prove it too 😄 because I don't trust myself

grim igloo
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just make sure to always buy legit wagos not knock offs

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you can 3d print nice little holders for them for other projects (i dont use the holders inside e boxes)

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if you happen to have a 3d printer they're nice quick prints for testing out new filament / settings too

drowsy goblet
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I'll get a picture of what I mean

tropic depot
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I know what you mean

drowsy goblet
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grounding via case is also not reliable, but I can kinda forgive that since it's mostly a Chicago thing

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we dont use/need ground wires at all here since everything is conduit and the screws attaching the outlet provide the ground

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but anyways, doesnt matter

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I still like them, it's just harder to wire up than it needs to be

tropic depot
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@molten linden @sudden comet is looking at your coords and may have some questions.

grim igloo
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He said maybe a couple weeks for PoE in stock again iirc

sudden comet
hushed elbow
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Where's the best place to ask for help with custom ZHA quirks?

raven jewel
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Here probably

hushed elbow
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I am writing a quirk to remove some sensors from a smart plug with power meter, which only measures Power and not Voltage or Current. Of course I could just disable them, but thought I'd make a quirk that can be applied upstream instead.

I have got the custom quirk correctly recognised, however even though I've removed the attributes with a custom cluster it still shows the sensor entities in HA. I've removed the device, restarted and re-added and same thing. If I go into Manage zigbee device, the attributes are completely missing in the dropdown for the cluster. Is this down to the way power meters are handled in HA itself or am I doing something wrong.

https://pastebin.com/TP2pRr6K

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Oh, ignore the signature descriptor comment - forgot to put my own in there and just did a copy pasta of another quirk haha

tropic depot
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Don’t remove the attrs

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search constant_attrs in the repo

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And use that structure to hard code them to None

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Try that

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@hushed elbow ^^

hushed elbow
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Ah right, I had a feeling I was doing it the wrong way but couldn't find a good example haha

rapid dawnBOT
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@hushed elbow I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
tropic depot
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Ok we may have to do something a bit more complicated and override a method… shouldn’t be this hard. Sorry

grim igloo
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so quirks are needed for devices that dont work out of the gate with ZHA right? is there an easy to use template for non-coders to be able to contribute?

glad plinth
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Can someone help me troubleshoot my Zigbee2MQTT add-on? I'm very new to this but trying to switch from ZHA because it's not discovering my devices, but I keep getting a 502 bad gateway on the UI and the Log keeps stopping at "Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.62)"

hushed elbow
grim igloo
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i doubt you need to switch to z2m to fix your stuff but it kinda sounds like you still have zha addon running so z2m is failing to start

glad plinth
grim igloo
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the addon not the integration

glad plinth
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oh there's an addon too?

grim igloo
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under services i see integrations. i think you are confusing integrations vs addons

lilac wharf
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There's no ZHA add-on

grim igloo
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how else would zha be running?

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ooh it's just always running?

lilac wharf
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ZHA is an integration

grim igloo
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k nvm then

lilac wharf
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You will need to remove ZHA if you want to use z2m with the same adapter

glad plinth
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okay i'll try that now, thanks!

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should I restart HA after I remove it you think?

lilac wharf
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Nope

glad plinth
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Ok I removed ZHA and tried to restart Z2M but still hanging at starting herdsman, i turned on herdsman debug and this is what it says, is this helpful in any way?

2022-10-28T23:32:44.922Z zigbee-herdsman:adapter:ezsp:uart Opening SerialPort with /dev/ttyUSB1 and {"baudRate":115200,"rtscts":false,"autoOpen":false}
2022-10-28T23:32:44.930Z zigbee-herdsman:adapter:ezsp:uart Serialport opened
2022-10-28T23:32:44.931Z zigbee-herdsman:adapter:ezsp:uart Uart reseting
2022-10-28T23:32:44.931Z zigbee-herdsman:adapter:ezsp:uart --> Write reset
2022-10-28T23:32:44.933Z zigbee-herdsman:adapter:ezsp:uart --> [1ac038bc7e]

tropic depot
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That’s most likely why zha wasn’t working too

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You have something screwing with the stick

lilac wharf
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How did you install HA?

glad plinth
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I had intermittent luck with ZHA it just wasn't detecting all of my devices, just some of them

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I have HA OS

tropic depot
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how’s the coordinator connected and what type of coordinator is it… aside from SI based

glad plinth
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It's the HUSBZB-1 USB with ZWave/Zigbee in one

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plugged into a USB extension

tropic depot
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change the baud rate for z2m to 57600

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Unless you changed the firmware on the stick

glad plinth
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see the funny thing is, my z2m config has that baud rate set in it because i found that thread with the github solution but its still saying 115200 when i start

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can I post my YAML?

lilac wharf
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Oof, the HUSBZB-1 isn't a great choice for z2m

tropic depot
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I’m not a z2m user so someone else will need to help you with that config

glad plinth
tropic depot
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😂

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That’s even worse 🤷🏻‍♂️

glad plinth
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really?

tropic depot
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yes

glad plinth
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what the heck lol

tropic depot
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Search here for folks having conbee issues

grim igloo
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conbee is what you suggest to your enemies

tropic depot
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Every day

glad plinth
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hahah

grim igloo
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you might want to spend a few min and let dmulcahey help you with zha though man. he's very helpful 😛

hushed elbow
glad plinth
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I was trying to do Z2M mostly to see if its really a ZHA issue or if its a range issue

tropic depot
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when you said it wasn’t working with certain devices I am going to go on a limb and guess tuya? Or are you having pairing issues in general?

grim igloo
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you dont really get like.. better mesh perf with one vs the other man

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and i say that as a current and happy z2m user lol

tropic depot
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If pairing issues

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Update the firmware on the stick

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if you haven’t already

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That stick is hella old

glad plinth
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I'm trying to pair Innoveli Zigbee light switches, which will act as repeaters to broaden my network

tropic depot
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And the stock firmware is very old

glad plinth
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can I update the firmware from HA or do I need to pull the stick and plug it into my PC?

tropic depot
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2nd person today!

glad plinth
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thats because we all just got our pre-orders lol

tropic depot
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I did the ZWP thing and accidentally jumped the line 😬

glad plinth
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-_-

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no comment

tropic depot
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anyway, update the firmware

glad plinth
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ZWP really screwed that one up but I got my switches so i'm not mad

tropic depot
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Let me find instructions for you

glad plinth
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thanks man, appreciate you

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so you're running Inovelli switches in ZHA? It's not a ZHA issue?

grim igloo
tropic depot
tropic depot
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8 in wall working great

glad plinth
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ugh stop i can't even get my first one to connect LOL

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I've got 20 ready to go

grim igloo
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i think a lot of people get burned by a shitty usb stick / hub and a bad mesh and start blaming things that seem like obvious culprits when they arent an issue

tropic depot
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someone else had the same issue earlier

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It’s gonna be firmware on the stick

grim igloo
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ya but if his stick is old anyways is it even worth him spending time on vs just buying like a sonoff p and starting fresh?

tropic depot
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the stick is old but it’s solid when updated

grim igloo
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ah ok

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i know people rave about chipset being important

tropic depot
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I had > 125 devices on it before I updated to a tube

grim igloo
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nice

glad plinth
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oh cool I can update it on any machine running Python, that's good

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Gonna go grab my stick and give it a shot

grim igloo
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i might use the DIY tube option as an excuse to buy a reflow station and try my first SMD pcb project lol

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@tropic depot are you employed by nabu casa?

tropic depot
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Negative

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Ha, I manage a good chunk of the IT department for a large insurer in the states. Keeps me fairly busy

grim igloo
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but you work on zha / zigpy?

grim igloo
tropic depot
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Engineering / delivery management

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I have all development teams with the exception of 1… counting contractors and such it’s > 150 ppl

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started as a dev, got into architecture, then flipped into mgmt

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Still do a lot of hands on stuff

grim igloo
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"Delivery management is the function of applying processes to ensure goods are effectively and efficiently transferred from one location to the next." ~ seems like crowdsupply could use you there lol (with the shitshow the hass yellow has been)

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sounds like you wear quite a few hats 😛

tropic depot
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Ya

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Keeps me busy for sure

grim igloo
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you make lots o time for discord tho haha

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i guess it's easy to jump in and out though

tropic depot
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Yup and this keeps me sane

grim igloo
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i dont think any of us in discord on a friday night are all that sane

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which isnt necessarily a bad thing haha

tropic depot
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Touché