the-water-cooler

[crisp sapphire]

than i found out ppl had taken my public design and started selling it on ebay and ali

pretty annoying. one asshole sold like 40 items.

so i just ordered it off ali bcuz the jlcpcb guys coudnt get another sample set without it costing a fortune

it was a multi layer pcb so manufacturing was a pain. but the chinese ali seller somehow managed to modify and undercut the price to like less than 10 bux

you can take a look at the ali listings. all original seller listing dates are post like jan of last year

[finite atlas]

Correction for Page 9, <2.0v is considered heavily underdischarged and its where the excessive dendril growth starts to begin, but i have plenty of cells that are way below that that still work just fine

[crisp sapphire]

must've typod. i never discharged em to 2V

that would be a death sentence

2.5V is barely recoverable and very questionable

3V is absolute lowest

https://workupload.com/file/jLNrB4M4TAW

powerpoint

recommend actually playing the slides if you wanna see the fancy effects

[finite atlas]

highly disagreed, but i get your point

[crisp sapphire]

i mean they're recoverable sure but a safety hazard imo

[finite atlas]

Also soldering with lead based solder works just fine

[crisp sapphire]

didnt of me. anyways just an excuse to go with spot welding

[finite atlas]

ye

[crisp sapphire]

maybe not enough flux

and thicc oxide layer

even briefly considered using a strong acid to get rid of the oxide layer. think i mentioned it in the doc if i remember correctly

[finite atlas]

their case is often made out of stainless steel.. where does it have a thicc oxide layer?

[crisp sapphire]

some of the constituents of SS react with the O2 in the atm and form an oxide layer

[finite atlas]

i hand soldered nearly 500 cells so far
the only issue that i faced, were that the cells like to suck out the heat of my soldering iron so i need to wait a bit after each solder so i can solder them good again

[crisp sapphire]

why solder when spot welding is so easy and beneficial?

[finite atlas]

safety

i solder thin wires to them, that act like fuses

[crisp sapphire]

ah

never liked resistive fuses. just doesnt sit right with me, wasting a tiny amount of power and relying on wild trip curves. ik you'd disagree

i still use them

hard to beat.

but i've always liked electronic ones

[finite atlas]

well, what else does exist that can be used in mass rather cheaply?

[crisp sapphire]

none afaik. sadly

i mean i try to minimize fuse usage in the first place. the best part is no part. Delete, simply, accelerate.

[finite atlas]

yes, but i plan on building a 22kWh battery out of old laptop cells that sits inside our house
safety goes first there

[crisp sapphire]

no no. what i meant is that i try to minimize fuse usage while (arguably) increasing safety

[finite atlas]

what i'm missing with your powerbank design, is a simple charge limit

but besides that, its a pretty neat basic power bank

[crisp sapphire]

not removing for the sake of cutting corners. the gating factor is always party

[crisp sapphire]

all in the SoC

or you mean a 80/90% limit?

it stops at a pedestrian 4.2V

[finite atlas]

yeah, a sub 4v limit

[crisp sapphire]

man i've been wanting that for 12 years.

[finite atlas]

as the cycle count goes through the roof if you keep the voltage under 3.95v

[crisp sapphire]

just like i've been wanting cheap LFP bms's for the past 5

[finite atlas]

if you want the best possible energy discharge amount of those batteries, take 3.5v as a minimum charge and add as much as you need and discharge to 3.5v again, in case you really need some more juice, you can go down to 3.4v

[crisp sapphire]

dude trust me. i know cells better than ppl in the industry. i dispise bragging, i really do. but i know cells pretty hardcore.

from cat-ion mixing & SEI formation to synthetic/natural graphite anodes.

[finite atlas]

well, then take a career in batteries

skilled people are really needed in that sector

[crisp sapphire]

yea. certainly a dream of mine

[finite atlas]

been thinking of working at a battery recycling plant once i get the motivation to start and finish my drivers license

[crisp sapphire]

i mean just last week i was researching manufacturing processies for cathode adhesives and the new novel ways the DBE process aligns the carbon inter structural current pathways with gaps in the adhesive in order to reduce inpedence and improve density by 5%

[umbral cliff]

If you haven’t gone to uni for some sort of degree related to that, I recommend you do. You have the skills, a degree will make you very wanted by a tonne of companies alongside the other knowledge to help you in other things

[crisp sapphire]

man, batteries go deep. its one of the most difficult subjects i've tried to wrap my head around. only thing harder was General Relativity

[crisp sapphire]

i dispise school with the burning passion of 100 fatmen worth of energy concentrated into a ball the size of a lepton

[finite atlas]

try out electrical batteries instead of chemical batteries, they are more mind damaging imo

[crisp sapphire]

im not going back. no way in hell

[finite atlas]

mood

[crisp sapphire]

lol mood

indeed

brb

[umbral cliff]

Uni is very different to school I will say. Just since your knowledge seems to be a great fit for that

But fair about not wanting to go study more, everyone is different

[finite atlas]

its still a super stressing environment for people like him and me

[crisp sapphire]

Heard that before, twice.

It was different alright. A thousand needles worth of pain and suffering different

i mean its a miracle im still here. Almost didnt make it.

[umbral cliff]

I know a lot of people who got stressed at uni just do it part time, 1-2 courses a semester. Takes far longer but far less stressful

Plus the whole uni lets you do whatever you want whenever and no one is chasing you to get things done

It’s a DIY style environment

[crisp sapphire]

Sorry chief, not how that works. We dont even have the mentioned classes here

Im sticking to my plan. Leave this hell hole and move to the US

[umbral cliff]

Where are you from?

[crisp sapphire]

sweden

[finite atlas]

so moving from a friendly hell hole to a burning hell hole, seems like not much of am improvement

[crisp sapphire]

not in some regard, no.

[umbral cliff]

In Europe you have electrical engineering classes for sure, that stuff is what will skill you up

Plus it’s free or very cheap

[crisp sapphire]

but at least i can speak english with ppl. Thats already one massive barrier removed

the ability to express yourself is a big factor

[umbral cliff]

To me Sweden seems like a far nicer place than the USA, even with the higher costs of living

[crisp sapphire]

it is, im most regards

but its extremly limiting in others. For me its only limiting.

[finite atlas]

in terms of?

[crisp sapphire]

language and talent.

just cannot see a work envirement were i actually make a dent here.

[umbral cliff]

You have the whole EU to move to, that’s an incredibly wide reach

[crisp sapphire]

that i agree with

thats on the table

US or somewere in the EU

[umbral cliff]

There’s a lot of research and development going into electrical and battery related stuff in Europe

[finite atlas]

why not work for Volvo? i'm sure they need someone with battery knowledge, just an idea

[crisp sapphire]

my end goal is to work for tesla in the engineering dep.

[umbral cliff]

Honestly yeah, any car company in Europe then

[crisp sapphire]

sounds lame, but thats my dream.

(For now)

[umbral cliff]

Moving to the USA is going to be hard without citizenship

[crisp sapphire]

thats easy?
Land a job and your off. Its the job landing thats hard

[finite atlas]

and with deep pockets or a work place

[crisp sapphire]

As soon as you have a job, you immediately get a green card

[umbral cliff]

You get a work visa. Valid whilst you’re working

Getting sponsored isn’t easy

Especially someone who has limited real world experience

[crisp sapphire]

i wouldnt wanna stay unless i was working on something meaningful. Might as well move back

So thats fine by me

[finite atlas]

or maybe create your own company and repair car batteries

[crisp sapphire]

Lol

[umbral cliff]

You’re better off working at a car company in Europe then moving to the USA. You have something on your resume

That someone hiring would go “oh perfect”

[crisp sapphire]

I mean batteries arent the only thing im into.

[umbral cliff]

Plus you’re doing something too, helping develop better cars from the European brands

[finite atlas]

uranium glass!

[crisp sapphire]

in the table. Working at teslas factory in grunhinde would be great

[crisp sapphire]

No no lol. Engineering & physics.

[umbral cliff]

Apply to that then, you’ll find it’s easier to get a job where you have work rights as someone who doesn’t have a piece of paper or real world skills

[crisp sapphire]

O snap gotta run. Really nice talkin to ya all.

i mean it.

[umbral cliff]

Good luck with it

[crisp sapphire]

we'll continiue some other time

[crisp sapphire]

Thanks!

@finite atlas and ffs watch out. Them salvaged cells can be bastards at times.

Burn your house down

[finite atlas]

no worries, 2 already tried

[forest edge]

this information determines rather a driver is high risk or not. Many insurances here have had OBD dongles people could opt in to use that would keep their insurance cheap.

had those dongles for years i should say

[umbral cliff]

Which I also disagree with, shouldn't be tracking you constantly

[forest edge]

why not? your performance behind the wheel is the difference between costing them money or making money

simply going by how many citations you have had over x amount of years is not enough

[umbral cliff]

You can floor it from the lights but be otherwise a safe and sensible driver

And that wouldn't raise their risk

[forest edge]

a person who drives less than 1k miles a year should have an option to pay less for insurance than someone who puts a million miles on thier vehicle a day etc

[umbral cliff]

Yeah thats why you declare how much you drive a year

[forest edge]

lol declare

[umbral cliff]

Well if they find out you lied then you won't be covered so 🤷‍♂️

[forest edge]

collecting data on your average speed limit, how many miles you drive etc is perfectly fine. even if they wanted to collect that data real time

[umbral cliff]

I still disagree with it, don't need more companies tracking it

[forest edge]

it was only these new technologies like those dongles is the reason some people got the option to pay less in insurance than others and the more they come out with the cheaper insurance gets

[umbral cliff]

$500 a year for a young driver in a bmw isn't expensive. Unsure how much cheaper they would get it though

Maybe $300 for experienced/ older drivers

[forest edge]

suicide sally should be paying a premium rather than paying the same amount as everyone else etc

I dunno what that equates to US off the top of my head but 500 a year US is expensive as shit lol

[umbral cliff]

Just base on how many times you've had to claim, its not hard. If you use insurance more then you deserve to pay more

[forest edge]

number of claims is a poor way to determine risk factor

[umbral cliff]

$350 a year USD for a bmw

Thats for property damage, personal damage is included in annual registration

[umbral cliff]

According to this its average for minimum coverage

[forest edge]

that still sounds high to me but then i don't have a BMW so no idea what it would cost for me

[umbral cliff]

What do you pay per year for your insurance then

[forest edge]

30 bucks

maybe less

[umbral cliff]

That just for property? Or personal damage too?

I presume third party

[forest edge]

full coverage on my truck

my bike is around 14 or so bucks

but then i also have homes etc so I get discounted quite heavily

not to mention i am not "high risk"

[finite atlas]

ouch

[forest edge]

These kind of statistics come with pretty heavy baggage. Since cost of living varies so much around the country and then you sprinkle in the demographic of older vs younger the waters get pretty muddy. I have never paid more than 70 a month on any insurance I had for any vehicle and my collectors truck I had when I was a teenager held the same cost for insurance as a corvette

[low harness]

I just got The most adorable thing ever in the mail.

[glacial knot]

What's wrong with your keyboard?

and is that a holster for that tool?

[low harness]

yep

[clear ferry]

You don't have a holster on your skyvelære @glacial knot ?

Disgusting

[clear ferry]

Scalloped fretboard for computers

Extra djent when typing

[glacial knot]

I meant the prints

alt/cmd opt/ctrl 🤢

[clear ferry]

Apple people 🤢

[forest edge]

not enough screens https://youtu.be/-ZIbGCrgf1M

[low harness]

I'm more annoyed about all the garbage on the ö and ä keys.

[finite atlas]

use a dremel to remove it

[glacial knot]

why are some of your specials in circles? the []{} stuff on 7-0

[dusky plank]

maybe they work with the (gr) as function key

[orchid rose]

Yes, {}

[forest edge]

still confused why he would get a holster for an analog caliper

[green inlet]

Just a guess…..because I don’t care…but maybe he received both the case and the caliper and it is not a holster but a case 😉

[low harness]

An excellent guess.

[inland drift]

hello! I am having issues with sonoff TH16, running tasmota, where should i ask for help?

[clever mortar]

#diy-archived is most likely the right channel, or the Tasmota Discord

Do read the channel topics

[umbral cliff]

What’s reading

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/lack-of-reading-vader-daddy-vader-force-choke-sw-gif-17915676

[shadow prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/ups-fallo-error-mueca-gif-10936646

[crisp sapphire]

all from yesterday

[last cedar]

Looks very Swedish!

[last cedar]

I thought you had recieved a raccoon. And then I saw the pic :(

[young sigil]

Sad raccoon 😧 https://youtu.be/D67tuYaxtTw

[low harness]

Sorry to disappoint you. But if one turns up I'll tell you exactly how big it is.

As long as that's 7 cm or less.

[shadow prawn]

Measuring tools are precision tools and they have to be stored properly like in a case

If you treat it like garbage you can‘t assume that it‘s still measuring properly

[glacial knot]

I'd say, that depends on their resolution 🙂

[shadow prawn]

Every measuring tool has an accuracy, if you dont treat it properly it will not longer comply with it

And what is a measurement tool worth, if you don‘t trust its results

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/schmidt-big-new-girl-gif-7813099

[shadow prawn]

What can i get for 10 dollars? - Everything you want - Everything? - Everything!

https://tenor.com/view/catrave-gif-4513998

[glacial knot]

if I only need to know by centimeters, i don't care if it's a mm or two off

[shadow prawn]

Construction worker detected

The painter does the rest

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoons-raccoon-family-kits-siblings-playing-gif-14327362

[glacial knot]

pfft, nah. I just overprovision so I only need to know the lower llimit

[eager timber]

I could read them using ImageIO.read(getClass().getClassLoader().getResource(("resources/" + name)));

[shadow prawn]

Nice

[low harness]

The caliper is pocket sized, by the way, but has some very sharp points. With the sheath you could safely actually put it in a pocket, though.

[shadow prawn]

https://nscainc.com/care-and-maintenance-of-calipers/

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crisp sapphire]

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-fsd-beta-rolling-stop-recall-nhtsa-details/?cc=1&s=09

Imagine when they realize its just an OTA update

like the ones pushed to the beta team every month

[static schooner]

in what legal construct is a "rolling stop" ever acceptable?

I'm surprised that they would ever have designed and rolled out such a thing

[wintry crow]

But then it came to a stop...

[clear ferry]

Interesting presentation by the FBI today

[glacial knot]

do you have to come to a full stop at every intersection? o.0

[static schooner]

yes

[clear ferry]

I think I know of one full stop in Norway

[static schooner]

if there's, you know, a STOP sign there

otherwise it would be a "yield" sign

[glacial knot]

oh, read over "stop" in "all-way-stop" o.0

yea, that one is weird. Why would they add a feature to break rules?

[static schooner]

it's almost like they teamed up with traffic cops

[shadow prawn]

Make some money for not properly driving

Oh snap you didnt stop at that Stop sign

[static schooner]

But mah car...

I blame Elon!

[glacial knot]

the magic words of: liability remains fully with the driver

[wintry crow]

UK here, we have roundabouts where we don't actually need to come to a complete stop if we use our eyes and see nothing is coming 🙂

[static schooner]

that's because it's a yield

[shadow prawn]

Why not a ‚not fully comply to the speed limits‘ feature

[static schooner]

there are signs for what they're describing, but they're not used in all-way stop intersections

[glacial knot]

including an integration for the most common speed trap tracking apps

[static schooner]

in those cases you're clearly responsible for what you do with that info

[wintry crow]

Okay that was odd, heard a guys voice then realised I'd somehow joined the voice chat in here hahah. made me jump!

[static schooner]

looks like there's one wayward person in there, so talking to themselves?

singing in the shower?

[wintry crow]

It was silent for ages then a random "Should put some kids music on so they have something to listen to" hahah

[glacial knot]

just another person that accidentally joined? 😂

[wintry crow]

Mebbe lol

[crisp sapphire]

its actually a must in some states. not that the law would ever allow it, but you wont be able to drive in Ca unless you roll. so its either

1. force everyone to proparly stop
2. behave like humans while trying to be as safe as artifically possible.

not rolling would cause more of a hazard than rolling in some rare instances.

[wintry crow]

Well it worked for Limp Bizkit...

[orchid rose]

Second dad joke within an hour, I approve

[wintry crow]

Was beginning to think it was a tough crowd

[crisp sapphire]

too boomery for me. didnt get it

and i usually get boomer jokes

[wintry crow]

Omg the children of today don't know about Rollin' by Limp Bizkit?? Oh the angst, the trauma!

[crisp sapphire]

oh no!

[wintry crow]

Be off with you immediately, off to spotify or the tube of you!

[crisp sapphire]

spotify's paid. so none of that

[green inlet]

Are you saying that, somewhere in the United States, rolling stops are not only legal but encouraged?

[crisp sapphire]

"not that the law would ever allow it".
encouraged? no, done? yes

[green inlet]

Ok

[crisp sapphire]

i mean try driving in Ca without rolling

[green inlet]

I did

[crisp sapphire]

you'll get honked at

[green inlet]

I have driven in new york, California and Atlanta. Arguably 3 or the worst places to drive. I stop at stop signs.

[crisp sapphire]

with traffic and all?

[green inlet]

Uhm….yes

🤣

[crisp sapphire]

you must either annoy a lot of ppl. or somethings up

[green inlet]

Annoy other people for following the law?

That seems odd

They won’t pay your ticket for you

[crisp sapphire]

i mean... try going the speed limit on the highway of any real highway

ppl will pass you a lot

[green inlet]

Tink beat me to the punch

I hope you arent planning on arguing that in court

[crisp sapphire]

you cant srsly say that you follow every single law and expect ppl not to look at you

[clever mortar]

I always drive within the speed limits, except where it's unsafe to do so

[crisp sapphire]

lets be clear here. im not saying you should do 80 in a 60 zone

[clever mortar]

I'm talking about not doing 61 in a 60 zone 😉

[crisp sapphire]

but keeping 60 at all times... ppl will talagate

[shadow prawn]

You know what time it is

[green inlet]

I may break traffic laws, but not because I am worried about people honking at me or looking at me funny

[clever mortar]

The solution for idiots driving too close behind is, of course, to drive more slowly... and continue to get slower until they either overtake, or back off

[green inlet]

Or pull over if safe to do so

Let them pass

[clever mortar]

Detours are fun

[crisp sapphire]

very strange imo. i mean even here were ppl are polite drivers they usually do at least 10 above the limit

[green inlet]

I typically move with traffic.

#the-water-cooler message

[crisp sapphire]

yea same. and the traffic moves at 10 above

[green inlet]

But that is much different than stop signs and automated cars designed to break the law

[crisp sapphire]

would you rather lower safety and annoy everyone around you? i mean its not like someone at the AP team woke up one day and decided to implement that feature. they obv looked at the pros and cons

especially with the beta, which is too safe for its own good. stopping when its not supposed to bcuz it sees a ped like 10 meters away at the opposit sign

[green inlet]

Lower safety by running a stop sign 😳

I don’t really care about everyone around me.

[crisp sapphire]

maybe the title confused. when i say rolling, i mean at like 1 - 2 mph.

[green inlet]

Pros and cons of breaking the law

[crisp sapphire]

it very very rarely rolls above that

[green inlet]

It’s pretty obvious we are not going to find a middle ground here 🤣

[crisp sapphire]

still fun to discuss

[green inlet]

Do I break traffic laws, sure. But usually with some human thought of the bigger picture. Moving with traffic on the highway. But because someone is going to honk at me or look at me funny, is not human thought of the bigger picture. And because cars can’t grasp the concept of the bigger picture, they really should be designed to follow the strict letter of the law and should a human feel different, they can take over manual control.

I seriously hope the reality of automated cars doesn’t become a thing till I am in the ground 🤣

[crisp sapphire]

agree to disagree

[static schooner]

Uncertainty and confusion is what causes accidents, so just go when you're supposed to go

[tidal bronze]

Tech aside it will be sometime before they figure out how liability blends into all this. Insurance is the decider not tech 🙂

[green inlet]

How so? If you are driving an automated car, and cause an accident….on what level can you step out of the car and blame the manufacturer?

[static schooner]

Aggression, impatience, and indifferences to the rules, too, which is what a rolling stop is

[green inlet]

If the manufacturers of automated cars don’t have 16 thousand documents releasing them of liability….that is just a very poor business model.

[tidal bronze]

If they don't, then the driver I guess, lol Yep a sweet deal indeed.

[glacial knot]

aggressive turning o.0

i don't want to fall asleep behind the wheel

[wintry crow]

Throw your hands up!

[orchid rose]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-live-performance-dance-limp-bizkit-funny-gif-14648766

[shadow prawn]

Put your hands up for Detroit! - Argh, wrong song

[wintry crow]

Don't most people in Detroit end up putting their hands up at some point..?

[finite atlas]

kidnap me pls darling

[crisp sapphire]

You want snow that bad?

[finite atlas]

yes!

[glacial knot]

Is ice ok?

[finite atlas]

ice is fine aswell

as long as there is plenty of it

[scenic radish]

Come to Chicago... we're supposed to get up to 12 inches tomorrow

[finite atlas]

booking a flight right now

[crisp sapphire]

Or you can book me a flight instead

[glacial knot]

or you can just drive towards the alps a bit

[finite atlas]

i dont have a drivers license and i'm not that rich Kevin ):

[glacial knot]

gotta live with DB then 😛

[crisp sapphire]

Taking drivers license soon

[finite atlas]

hopefully same

[orchid rose]

Ice kinda sucks. It's hard and slippery. Snow is great though

[glacial knot]

Just wait for Lvl5 Autonomous Teslas

[finite atlas]

that joke came too early

[crisp sapphire]

Haha

[wintry crow]

Hopefully the joke is the only thing..?

[glacial knot]

I actually like ICE and other longer distance trians

it's just local transport that sucks in trains

[crisp sapphire]

man i've been waiting for a while. Although following progress is what gets me goin

[finite atlas]

i've driven with some trains here and there, they aint horrible, but just not my cup of tea

[glacial knot]

better than planes, if time isn't too much of an issue

[finite atlas]

a friend of mine luckily has a ticket, where she can take one with her for free

[finite atlas]

both are fun, but i'd prefer train, yeah

[glacial knot]

The good H mark? 😛

Or was it B? Let me check...

It's B

[finite atlas]

dunno

she is retarded and is allowed to take one with her, cause she always ran away from home when she was younger

[glacial knot]

Jup. B mark on the SB-Ausweis

[crisp sapphire]

White torture

[finite atlas]

adorable!

[crisp sapphire]

add a bowl of white rice and your there

[clear ferry]

you're

[finite atlas]

i've been to nordkap recently and i loved that the snow was higher than the car at some places

wanted to dig myself into it, but we had no time for that ):

[clear ferry]

Ah, Norway removes most restrictions

[glacial knot]

Hair. Not ATX

[clear ferry]

[shadow prawn]

well i hope i outlive the ones in our country

[glacial knot]

on snow?

[finite atlas]

which restrictions?

[clear ferry]

If only

I want more snow

[clear ferry]

COVID

[glacial knot]

you just don't want any neighbours or solicitors. or is that just me?

[finite atlas]

norway is smart

[clear ferry]

Hey, i have neighbours, 25m in each direction

And solicitors are so rare I just see my telegram notification if I should open the door or not

[glacial knot]

do you remote open the dog's door otherwise?

[clear ferry]

If I only had a dog

I should esp a water gun though

[glacial knot]

Does that count as dangerous weapon in your -20°C?

[clear ferry]

Only if I use it as hand weapon

[green inlet]

Auh, well that explains a lot 😉

[crisp sapphire]

haha, dont get any funny ideas now

[glacial knot]

what does that explain? :probsT:

[crisp sapphire]

we dont even have similar stops here

always wondered why the US has so many stop signs. Sounded absurd to me at first.

[green inlet]

I mean, you don’t even have a drivers license? Or did I Interpret that wrong? And you don’t even live in the US?

[finite atlas]

what i find funny about sweden is, that pretty much all speeding cameras have a sign 100m in front of them, telling you that there is one

[clear ferry]

Usually multiple

[glacial knot]

it's more about keeping people to the limit than chances to take their money

[crisp sapphire]

Suprise suprise. I dont use first hand experience, i use data to base my case on.

[green inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/sxv-wtf-gif-23560064

[crisp sapphire]

ya dont need to go to orbit to understand orbital mechanics

infact going to orbit wont really help much

[green inlet]

But it helps if you have real life experience

[clear ferry]

You need to be at least this tall to ride

[crisp sapphire]

indeed. But its not a determining factor

[clear ferry]

That is for sure

[crisp sapphire]

Not anymore

Now they hide em. But maps still tells ya.

@green inlet so why does the US have so many stop signs?

the european system works perfectly fine without em

[green inlet]

Check your data

[glacial knot]

what? We have a lot of Stop signs as well

[crisp sapphire]

Were from?

[clear ferry]

Sweden has a lot more stop signs than I've ever seen in Norway or England

[crisp sapphire]

yea thats what ppl say. We do have stop signs but the US tops the list imo

[glacial knot]

about as Central in Europe as geographically possible 🙂

[crisp sapphire]

lol

[green inlet]

Have you even been to the US?

[crisp sapphire]

do i need to be in the US?
Just like you dont need to be in sweden in order to understand the road network and the differentiating laws

[clear ferry]

I've driven cars in only 8 countries though, my experience probably doesn't count

[green inlet]

My goodness. I am out ✌🏻

[crisp sapphire]

peace

[crisp sapphire]

Damn 8

what kinda job?

[clear ferry]

I've seen more stop signs in Sweden than the us too come think of it

And I've driven in three states

[glacial knot]

atx runs norway's internet out of his basement

[crisp sapphire]

Lol

[green inlet]

95% correct. Not his basement, his garage 🤣

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/it-crowd-chris-o-dowd-roy-have-you-tried-turning-it-off-and-on-again-off-gif-4711577

[crisp sapphire]

Ah your back!

Wb

[clear ferry]

You're

[crisp sapphire]

yea ik ik. For the 100'th time

[glacial knot]

nono, he was leaving. So we see the back

[clear ferry]

[glacial knot]

kinda like that, yes

[dusky plank]

🍞

[crisp sapphire]

man english spelling is a pain in the ass

[glacial knot]

*grammar

[crisp sapphire]

both

jk

[glacial knot]

and it's the easiest of the Languages I know

[green inlet]

I feel like Kevin is in Sonomas basement. And they take turns.

[crisp sapphire]

like i've tried so hard to improve it but i never quite seem to get there.

[crisp sapphire]

o shit he's onto us

[glacial knot]

I need an ugly laugh emoji

[glacial knot]

for a moment I wanted to falsely correct that one

[crisp sapphire]

and i would've belived you

It's getting better. Very slowly. Very very slowly.

[orchid rose]

Not to dive down too deep to politics, but you can't imagine how frustrating is to see both Denmark and Norway do this while just a few days ago our government came out and continued them for another two months

[sand agate]

Did 2022.2 get pulled or something? I've seen some videos on it, but I don't have an update available, and no announcement on the server

[clever mortar]

See #beta

It'll be announced when it's ready, as always

[clear ferry]

[clear ferry]

[orchid rose]

Don't you dare call Pepe ugly

I'm still on my mission to steal it back from those who try to misuse them

[clear ferry]

People being interviewed on home office being asked how much they are looking forward to more office work now

Disgusting

[shadow prawn]

the fuck z2m has killed its own configuration

luckily i had a backup

[clear ferry]

That sounds highly unlikely

You are in the denial phase

[shadow prawn]

i have updated it everything worked after the update the standard config was restored and nothing worked anymore

something is wrong with my z2m if i restart it, it overwrites the configuration.yaml with the standard one

[scenic radish]

Do you have a volume defined for your configuration?

|| it sounds like you don't ||

[clever mortar]

If you're using the #add-ons-archived then all bets are off

[shadow prawn]

yeah it seems like i dont, is there a documentation for it

[scenic radish]

https://docs.docker.com/storage/volumes/

[shadow prawn]

i use the addon

[scenic radish]

Nvm then. Ask in #add-ons-archived

[clever mortar]

Well, then #add-ons-archived can ||laugh at you|| help you

[shadow prawn]

i allready asked in the z2m discord, thought it worked then but yeah it doesnt

(noone answered)

[clever mortar]

Probably nobody around who also runs it and can help

[shadow prawn]

its my fault anyway noone else too blame

[clever mortar]

It happens

[shadow prawn]

luckily i had a backup

[shadow prawn]

i am far over the denial phase but thats another topic

[clear ferry]

If you are running #add-ons-archived and #330990055533576204 you should be in the depression phase

[forest edge]

damnit it had just warmed up alittle and now it's going to get cold again

[shadow prawn]

i had no concept for backing up z2m as a docker container so i went the way in which i have a backup routine

and i asked as you know how difficult it is to switch to a docker solution and so i thought i will start simple and it will get difficult early enough

one step after the other

[clever mortar]

Well, you have an #add-ons-archived and we don't do those in this channel

[shadow prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-blinking-okay-white-guy-blinking-gif-7513882

[clear ferry]

Disgusting

[clever mortar]

They are, but it's ok, there's always beer

[shadow prawn]

i asked allready in add-ons and everything else i wrote afterr it was not asupport request so pretty much off topic

we are all born somewhere and doing our best so lets be fair

and i do not work with it stuff professional so things has to be seen in a perspective

[dusky plank]

but this is off topic 🤫

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/off-topic-go-to-gif-15407174

[tender forum]

Streamlining experiences is a good theme for the year. Hope that includes docs where it gives how to do things in Yaml, but not through Ui! 🙂

[clear ferry]

Yaml

UI 🤢

[clever mortar]

Nothing stopping you getting involved in that 😉

[tender forum]

Other than knowledge 😄

If cut/paste doesn't work I have about a 30% chance of figuring it out (for yaml)

HA's come a long long way in usability for someone like me. I can put together some cool stuff and I appreciate all the work, don't get me wrong. If I could contribute beyond my NC account I would!

[umbral cliff]

To echo what was said, driving is something you need first hand experience to find out how the laws actually work well.

It also varies wildly from country to country. But complete stop at a stop sign is the law and unless it’s a very small side road where you could roll through (aka small side street that’s not busy) then it’s incredibly dangerous to do so

Plus predictability is a huge deal when driving, it’s why the laws do exist too, I know when someone is indicating right they’re going to turn right, if they went straight it could cause an accident

[crisp sapphire]

i mostly agree. But thats exactly what the beta does?

It rolls stops at very safe locations and takes its sweet sweet time before proceeding.

i mean take a look at some of the videos. Its super graceful imo.

[umbral cliff]

How does it know it’s safe

Even small side streets can be busy and require you to stop

[crisp sapphire]

Same say you know. Looks out at the world, sees if there are blind corners, traffic, visibility (day, night, weather) ane coorelates it with map & sign data to get speed limits and the likes.

far from perfect, ofc.

But its alpha software

[umbral cliff]

Alpha software shouldn’t be on the road at all

[crisp sapphire]

thats the entire point of having testers

[umbral cliff]

Like I don’t want to be driving and having unpredictable drivers because someone thought they can test alpha software

It’s why it’s so good it’s a recall of teslas too, they’re forced to update

[crisp sapphire]

depends on how well it performs and how safe it is. So far there hasent been a single notable accident using the stack across ~60k users, including teslas employees.

For about 15 months

i'd say thats a pretty good indicator that the testers are using the software responsibly

[umbral cliff]

But also a stop sign is a stop sign. Until everyone is automated they should be stopping

[umbral cliff]

60k is very small

[crisp sapphire]

for alpha software its not...

[umbral cliff]

For anything to be used on the road it is

[crisp sapphire]

like its not some finished thing. Its extremly alpha. I'd go so far as to say its pre alpha

[umbral cliff]

You’re making it sound worse

You’re putting pre alpha software on a vehicle that can self drive

That sounds dangerous

All it takes is one bug

And it’s fucked

[crisp sapphire]

one? There have been douzens. No accidents yet. Its one thing to assume its unsafe because its alpha, its another to look at the full picture. The full picture is pretty clear imo. No one wants they're car in a ditch or worse and all it takes to disengage the system is the slightest tap of the break pedal or steering wheel input.

Alpha does not mean unsafe by default. It just means unfinished af. Vast majority of the time its way too safe for its own good and ppl start honking bcuz it stops at lights for too long or stops until all peds have gone by and doesnt assert itself.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Here, have 30/sec for 28 minutes.

https://youtu.be/pxY5MkSGaw8

[umbral cliff]

And what if the system breaks and doesnt disengage. It is a alpha software

[crisp sapphire]

and that exact sentence demonstrates that you need to go do your research. Disengagements are handled via servo hardware overide.

[umbral cliff]

I dunno if it’s just me but I would never want mission critical stuff running alpha software, like my car

[crisp sapphire]

its physically impossible to not be able to disengage. Doesnt matter what the car sends over the BUS.

[orchid rose]

But then again, "alpha" could mean anything. I'm sure Tesla and co have thought about the negative press it would create if something fell short

[crisp sapphire]

And thats why its opt in with a minimum 10 day waiting period with super strict removal policy and driver monitoring

by all means, tesla does NOT want you alpha testing the software.

[crisp sapphire]

Indeed it can. Pretty bad naming imo.

[umbral cliff]

Then don’t offer it tbh

They’ve already introduced something that lets you break the law, that’s not good

Tesla won’t pay your fine

[crisp sapphire]

Than dont take it. You dont need to go buy everything you seen at the hardware store. But it'll still be available.

[orchid rose]

Maybe Tesla just didn't want to go with "beta" for other reasons 😏

[crisp sapphire]

lol

Who knows

[orchid rose]

But the point is that there's no designation for beta

[crisp sapphire]

@umbral cliff anyways, i do enjoy these kinda conversations because it grounds me in what "normal" external ppl think about the stuff i live off'f.

[crisp sapphire]

One of teslas many weakneses. Poor communication.

[orchid rose]

I'm not sure it's a weakness

[umbral cliff]

Wait till you start driving to realise why following the laws is sensible

[crisp sapphire]

you say that like im bout to do 150 in a 30 zone

[umbral cliff]

Well you’re casually defending rolling through a stop sign

Even 61 in a 60 is illegal

[crisp sapphire]

contrary to very popular belif, i do follow safety protocol and do so way more than i should. I mean im still here?

[umbral cliff]

Dumb people somehow survive

[crisp sapphire]

Just, just want the video already. Think it'll give some much needed context

[umbral cliff]

Doesn’t matter if it works safely, it is still illegal

[crisp sapphire]

Ironically enough the only real time i screwed up and fucked my health was when a company misslabled they're product.

but i was like 11. What can ya expect :/

[orchid rose]

What's the point of the law calmelb?

[crisp sapphire]

Break it. Do 250 in a 20 zone and ram into buildings

(This is a joke everyone. Do not @ me)

[umbral cliff]

To ensure that people look to make sure someone isn’t coming. That’s a stop sign. Do I trust a car to make sure it saw someone? Not at all, it may be alright to provide a driver backup though

[static schooner]

<ducks head into #the-water-cooler > Still???

[orchid rose]

If it would be possible to ensure the safety of the other drivers, with for example AI driving the car, shouldn't the law be changed?

[crisp sapphire]

@static schooner nah, we quit for a bit.

[orchid rose]

again more like Rob

[crisp sapphire]

Same

[umbral cliff]

If everyone had AI driven cars then yes that’s a good time to change it. Because the cars can hopefully talk to each other and a bit more trusting

[orchid rose]

But until that it wouldn't because AI wouldn't be able to predict the dumbness of humans?

That's with slight sarcasm and otherwise a genuine question

[umbral cliff]

Honestly I don’t trust AI with the randomness of humans. That’s my honest thoughts

[crisp sapphire]

This is gonna be the real test. The most difficult part will come first. Human + ai fusion

[orchid rose]

I'm honestly not decided on that yet, but generally I feel like if a dumb human can do something, an AI can probably do it better

when and not if that happens is the question for me

[umbral cliff]

I just can’t trust it tbh. Especially seeing how stupid people are on the roads

[orchid rose]

I completely expect self-driving cars to fail. Once there's a few accidents people will rally against it and go on about killing each other by being dumb for the foreseeable future

[crisp sapphire]

this is my expectation as well. Not because ppl will rally, but because its just so absurdly difficult

[umbral cliff]

Assisted driving will succeed. Since that’s easy to do

Since the driver still stops at lights or signs

[orchid rose]

Somehow we've accepted that cars kill people. We can't even set speed limits without people breaking them

[crisp sapphire]

my internal predictions (highly unreliable) give it a <10% chance of happening anytime soon

[orchid rose]

How would you define assisted driving?

[umbral cliff]

Ngl wish every car had its own breathalyser to force drink drivers to not be a thing

[umbral cliff]

Stay in lane & adaptive cruise

[orchid rose]

Yeah that seems relatively doable

[umbral cliff]

It’s just an evolution of basic cruise control

And actually achieves stuff (even though I sound like a boomer saying I think it makes lazy drivers and I don’t like it)

[orchid rose]

As a fellow boomer, I agree. People are overly hyped about this stuff and fail to see the issues with it imo

[umbral cliff]

I’ve been driving for just under 5 years and have driven with adaptive cruise and stay in lane and it made me feel so lazy and I did not like it. Basic cruise is all I need lol

So many of my friends though are loving it

I knew someone who was learning to drive in a Tesla. She never got used to reading road signs because the Tesla told her and she never learnt. God forbid she drives another car

[orchid rose]

Oof... I don't even have a license so take whatever I say with a large grain of salt... But this all reminds me of a video I saw recently about a possible flight crash... It seems like people these days are often relying on tech, when they probably shouldn't be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23fiDj8Uy6Q

[umbral cliff]

Aviation is another kettle of fish, some airlines promote hand flying to practice, others say autopilot at all times which means they lose practice

It’s not great

(I’m also a huge aviation nerd lol)

[orchid rose]

I wasn't expecting what I saw on that video for sure. I would have thought they have higher standards, but it's a sort of microcosm of the semi-automated future we're heading towards

[umbral cliff]

There will be a large crash in aviation caused by the automated nature, then finally reviewed by authorities because aviation legislation, more than other industries, is written in blood

[orchid rose]

That seems to be the only way we actually take a note

[forest edge]

this is when she says.. ok boomer

[orchid rose]

You would know. Boom, gottem

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/deez-ha-got-heem-got-em-got-him-gif-4824899

[umbral cliff]

Lmao. Look I’ll accept I’m a boomer for cars. I like fancy features inside but let me drive the damn car and enjoy it

[forest edge]

nope, you don't get to hand pick what you keep old fashioned.. your gonna have auto drive and like it

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge look what sand can do

[forest edge]

yea it can grow food that is either a laxative or may as well be.. congrats lol

[tidal bronze]

Don't be jealous and don't hate 🤣

[forest edge]

careful, your orange is on it's period

[tidal bronze]

Cara Cara for the farmland

[forest edge]

so you growing that fruit on your property?

[tidal bronze]

Yep oranges lemon pomegranate guava strawberry 😆

[crisp sapphire]

LOL

[forest edge]

i wouldn't exactly call a blood orange an orange

[forest edge]

what no grapes? I mean come on.. isn't that a given for you? lol

[tidal bronze]

Just to make you happy.

[orchid rose]

both look tasty, mmm

[tidal bronze]

Grapes, that's a drive to Alexander Valley

I let the professionals handle that.

[hollow glacier]

What part of cali are you in?

[tidal bronze]

LA

[forest edge]

the part voted most likely to blow itself up

[orchid rose]

The waterless part - oh wait that's all of it 🙂

[hollow glacier]

LA is basically just a worse version of Texas

Speaking as a Texan of course

[tidal bronze]

Hmmm TX does not calculate in LA terms. Just large.

[forest edge]

texas has been weird for the past decade or so and just keeps getting weirder

[hollow glacier]

Unless you’re one of those ultra rich dudes

[orchid rose]

Did you know Texas is actually yuge?

[hollow glacier]

Weather is super hot in LA, no scenery like coast, super expensive

[forest edge]

starting to suspect every coastal state is degrading at a quicker and quicker rate

[hollow glacier]

What’s not to love

[orchid rose]

Two of those things

scenery I don't care that much about tbh

[tidal bronze]

Well I have not lived in TX but been working on 40 plus states, 50 countries. Wouldn't trade LA for anything.

[hollow glacier]

Concrete jungle isn’t fun

[forest edge]

you would be happy in prison then

[hollow glacier]

So then you are one of the ultra rich

Lol

[orchid rose]

When you're used to Eastern European housing, it's rather fine Hmoney

[hollow glacier]

Life is good for them in lots of cities

Idk man our infrastructure and homes are pretty shit across the us

Held together with duct tape and glue

[orchid rose]

Agreed, but it's not any better here

[tidal bronze]

It's all relative

[hollow glacier]

Ya but you guys have hot blondes with accents

[tidal bronze]

Lmao

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hysterical-leonardo-dicaprio-lol-laugh-lmao-gif-16853811

[orchid rose]

Nono, those live in the Scandinavian countries. We're stuck in the inbetween

[hollow glacier]

So then the solution for you is to get more poor to get a hot blonde?

Hahaha

I admittedly don’t know shit about eu

[tidal bronze]

Love EU in short bursts.

[hollow glacier]

Seems their way of school with high school and college blending together works out well

[orchid rose]

It's rather confusing at times. Usually it's France, England or Germany fighting

occasionally Russia if they are considered

[tidal bronze]

Favs would be UK Iceland Scotland Portugal in that order.

[hollow glacier]

I only know where 2 of those are on a map

And that’s because of plague inc not school lmao

[orchid rose]

smh

[hollow glacier]

i won a trip to ireland as a kid

that was cool but i was 10 so didnt appreciate it much

[tidal bronze]

At any age travelling is cool.

[forest edge]

your thinking 80's cali.. these days all the women there look like the rest of the country

[hollow glacier]

eastern europe

not cali

[forest edge]

oh

[tidal bronze]

meh

[hollow glacier]

unless the movie eurotrip was a lie

[tidal bronze]

You need to spend sometime in Romania

[hollow glacier]

and i cant mentally handle that truth right now

[orchid rose]

Eurotrip is actually a documentary

[hollow glacier]

scotty doesnt know

[forest edge]

I've seen some youtube videos produced by romania women about romania.. there is an abnormal amount of attractive women there

but most are alittle too skinny for my liking

[tidal bronze]

For me priority is food. Believe me that's not the place.

[forest edge]

if i wanted to hump the skeleton display in a science class i would just take that display home

[hollow glacier]

that can probably be arranged

[hollow glacier]

these days i make most of my own food

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge so that's how you roll in KC? Taking displays home>

[hollow glacier]

well other than the times i am lazy and eat costco stuff

[tidal bronze]

I do love to cook whenever I am home.

[forest edge]

don't hate healthy sex drives

[hollow glacier]

i dont love to cook. i love to eat good food and not processed bullshit so i cook

[orchid rose]

Let's be real, Sonoma hasn't taken anyone home since the 1960s

[tidal bronze]

LMAO

oh boy

[forest edge]

yea your mom didn't age well either

[hollow glacier]

herpes doesnt count

https://giphy.com/gifs/drum-tsss-badum-kPIswn0RfPTGxOvDj5

[tidal bronze]

Just finished cooking Korean flat noodles with toasted tofu and garlic sautéed beef meatballs with a mushroom soy glaze.

[hollow glacier]

not bad

[forest edge]

so why post a picture of barf in a bowl?

[hollow glacier]

that has a filter tho right?

[orchid rose]

It's 3AM, can you not make me hungry

[hollow glacier]

oh nvm my f.lux is just set to super orange

i wish i had a proper kitchen setup and better cooking gear

[forest edge]

tofu 🤢

[hollow glacier]

eating a bit of teflon with each meal isnt the coolest

i think i saw your $15k viking setup before quad

[tidal bronze]

T FAL not treating you right ?

[hollow glacier]

something out of masterchef kitchen lol

[tidal bronze]

Lol. I actually have 2 kitchens. I don't like any strong oil food smell in the house. So there is a separate kitchen to cook wok type food.

[hollow glacier]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[forest edge]

now only if you would make something that wouldn't give you explosive diahrea an hour after you eat

[hollow glacier]

what's your address i'll send over my adoption papers

[orchid rose]

One of these days we'll have a meetup at quad's house whether he likes it or not

[forest edge]

and teach him what real food is

[tidal bronze]

Oh you mean mashed potatoes and gravy ?

[forest edge]

amongst other things

[tidal bronze]

Yeah right.

[forest edge]

broaden your food horizon

[tidal bronze]

Coming from KC that's your game.

[forest edge]

don't be knockin the bbq

[orchid rose]

There's somewhat of a lack of meat on that image. Not sure I buy it's American

[forest edge]

https://travel.home.sndimg.com/content/dam/images/travel/fullset/2011/09/19/52/idea_kansas-city-bbq_311x175.rend.hgtvcom.1280.720.suffix/1491585461369.jpeg

[hollow glacier]

"Just finished cooking Korean flat noodles with toasted tofu and garlic sautéed beef meatballs with a mushroom soy glaze." well it sounds like a non american recipe lol

[orchid rose]

That's more American. Pixelated due to data caps

[forest edge]

all the traveling he does he needs to eat that stuff to loosen the pipes if you know what i mean

[hollow glacier]

we're about to get hit with some cold weather in tx

ercot sent a text message telling us "they're trying their best"

[forest edge]

please.. come north

then go home and put on shorts

[hollow glacier]

so when power goes out we know they are sorry and that they tried

[orchid rose]

You have me drooling here... Sounds amazing

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/diarrhea-yikes-poop-gif-16674264

[hollow glacier]

i just copied @tidal bronze 's description lmao

[hollow glacier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/justin-stop-it-michael-jordon-get-some-help-l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe

[orchid rose]

Hey that fixed my hunger

[tidal bronze]

I think this was 2 days ago. Rack of lamb topped with red/port wine reduction sauce. Greek salad with garlic aioli dressing.

Meat enough for you ?

[orchid rose]

I expect American food to be 100% meat. Anything feels like cheating. It's like Germany and sausages - unless it's 99% sausage related, it's just fake

[forest edge]

not enough meat for me

[tidal bronze]

Lol.

[forest edge]

where's the picture of the duck dishes? lol

[tidal bronze]

@orchid rose unfortunately you gotta fly across Atlantic for sausage 😒

The sausage we have here is simply shit.

[orchid rose]

You're not missing on much

[tidal bronze]

Any place in EU got better sausage hands down.

[forest edge]

don't agree with that but then there are several kinds of sausage so not sure which you are refering to

[tidal bronze]

That's the sad truth.

[forest edge]

you just live ina state that sucks at meat

to be expected.. 98% are tree huggers

[tidal bronze]

Well when you travel to EU try it out we will continue this discussion

[hollow glacier]

prime filet

[forest edge]

you don't need to travel to eu to eat meat from there

[orchid rose]

Now that's what I imagine a regular US portion is

[forest edge]

portion? no that's a coffeee table snack serving

[tidal bronze]

@hollow glacier no marbeling at all?

[hollow glacier]

that might've been choice. i have a butcher buddy that hooks it up but sometimes the choice looks better than prime so i get that instead

[tidal bronze]

So tell me what meats have you tried ? Sausages specifically.

[hollow glacier]

i was gonna try to make wellington but got lazy and cut it up into steaks

[forest edge]

we have places that make it locally. whatever you want from brat style type to patty's to even jerkey. we even have authentic Italian sausage here

[tidal bronze]

I am a wagyu fan. And not US

[orchid rose]

Sounds good. British food just looks terrible in general

[tidal bronze]

This cat. Lmao.

[forest edge]

this cat?

sounds like s slang from the 70's.. like cool cat?

[tidal bronze]

Well you should know 70s very well but no not from the 70s

[shy comet]

of course as i start sous viding chicken you guys got me wanting steak

[forest edge]

i really don't know what "this cat" is.. i have never heard it before to understand what it means

[tidal bronze]

Right on.

[orchid rose]

dshokouhi, imagine trying to go to sleep instead

[tidal bronze]

@shy comet still waiting to try your home made Jerky. Then 19 happened.

[shy comet]

yea i gotta make more of it lol

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge it's like "look at this dude"

[forest edge]

ah, i was picturing that song scatman in my head

hope that isn't deer jerky 🤢

worse jerky i ever tasted

[tidal bronze]

@shy comet we should meet up one of this days man. Last time was with Paulus right ? Few years ago

[shy comet]

yea its been a minute for sure!

[shy comet]

no its beef....specifically the eye round cut

[orchid rose]

What's with the American (?) obsession with jerky? Maybe I just haven't had any good stuff but I'm not exactly a fan

[tidal bronze]

Sucker for Jerky

[forest edge]

it's an acquired taste for some

[shy comet]

i always loved it as a kid and then i found some recipes online and made a few....then found this maple one that just hits the spot so i stick to that one now lol

[forest edge]

I have family who make it and they think it's good but it's soooo gross lol

[shy comet]

i use my smoker instead of a dehydrator so the beef gets extra flavor from it...takes like at least 8 hours to dehydrate depending on thickness and the mixture i use

[tidal bronze]

You gotta share

[orchid rose]

Got any pics or vids for that one dshoukohi?

[shy comet]

gotta love google photos when i search "smoker" i see nothing but sushi rolls

[orchid rose]

I just genuinely don't get it. It's hard and dry, unlike what meat is supposed to be imo

[forest edge]

it's like cheese sticks, like a treat

not to be a meal

[tidal bronze]

Now they have soft Jerky. Specially sweet spicy with habanero

[orchid rose]

I get that, but I'd rather have a steak any time

[shy comet]

its kinda one of htose things where you dont realize how often you had it improperly made until you make it yourself

[forest edge]

jerky is hard to make that pleases the masses.. too many variables in play that tips it from one liking it to many liking it

[orchid rose]

I'll take your word for it. People seem to love that stuff

[shy comet]

i find it helps when your butcher prepares the cuts for you...otherwise you end up with my picture with varying lengths and thickness which doesnt help the situation on a smoker lol

[forest edge]

just make bacon jerky.. everyone likes that lol

[shy comet]

we dont eat pig here lol

[forest edge]

oh

[orchid rose]

bacon is impossible to screw up

[forest edge]

tree huggers...

[orchid rose]

come on now

[tidal bronze]

you love tree huggers don't pretend

[forest edge]

from afar.. but lets be real.. i would starve to death in the home of a tree hugger

[orchid rose]

I bet you have plenty on your waist to keep you alive 😏

[forest edge]

not really no, and muscles requires more substance lol

[tidal bronze]

@hollow glacier tried olive wagyu?

[hollow glacier]

nah man i cant get the super fancy stuff

not for free

[orchid rose]

It looks a bit soft and I've never tried it

[tidal bronze]

It's an experience. Nothing comes close to it not even A5

[hollow glacier]

i would probably burn it

[forest edge]

whats with the wagyu? are you actually selecting japense beef at the store over local?

[tidal bronze]

Have you tried A5 or olive?

[hollow glacier]

$$$

[shy comet]

cookign outsdie right lol?

[hollow glacier]

i've heard a lot of people get a stomach ache if they eat a lot of it due to how rich it is

[tidal bronze]

@shy comet yep but not easy to get olive unlike A5.

[orchid rose]

Just the amount of fat I suppose. But I don't think that should be the key when selecting the cut. It's just different tastes

[shy comet]

I made the mistake of cooking A5 indoors before....oof that sucked

[tidal bronze]

oh no. Not a chance.

I use roasted garlic olive as base

[shy comet]

wow that sounds amazing, i havnet had the olive one yet

[tidal bronze]

https://www.crowdcow.com/ranch/olive-wagyu

[orchid rose]

Ngl, this smells like bs a mile away... And I don't even know what a mile is

[forest edge]

still confused what the wagyu part is about

[tidal bronze]

It's how they raise them. Now they have US wagyu good but not great.

[orchid rose]

Wagy is a japanese cow

[tidal bronze]

https://www.snakeriverfarms.com/american-wagyu-beef.html

[forest edge]

right, wagyu is just a cow raised in japan from my understanding

wtf is amercian wagyu

that shit is just someone trying to reinvent the wheel

[tidal bronze]

You need to do some YT watching, skip on some of your Cali fetishes and spend time learning about beef 🙂

[forest edge]

i live in the midwest..

[orchid rose]

Gotta do better than that quad, come on

[forest edge]

so wagyu is feeding cattle nothing but olives?

[tidal bronze]

That means very little on defining your culinary palette

[orchid rose]

If you actually want people to buy into this, just saying do your own research isn't exactly going to cut it

[forest edge]

i mean I guess if you feed cattle nothing but snickers bars the meat will surley taste alittle diffrent but nothing beats grass fed imo

and according to wiki wagyu is a grass fed cow in japan

soooo

[tidal bronze]

olive wagyu is olive fed not regular wagyu.

[forest edge]

@orchid rosehonestly I think he's buying snake oil and believing in it

[orchid rose]

I'm sure he can explain it

Maybe even provide some comparisons

[forest edge]

I had all kinds of meat from animals who been fed all kinds of diffrent food sources and as long as the cattle are properly cared for and fed well enough it all comes out the same in the end

I mean I lease my land out for cattle slaughtering, i've seen the whole process first hand from start to finish several times

there is no special cow lol

[tidal bronze]

Just because you raise or lease the land does not make you a expert of the tongue. This cat.

[forest edge]

i agree

but i also think you are beliving in fairy tales

it's like the organic selection at the grocery store.. that shit is way over priced just because it has the label "organic" not because of it's ingrediants

[tidal bronze]

Well food is like whiskey or wine. Not everyone can taste or rather smell notes on everything. What you are saying is basically wine is wine. Whiskey is Whiskey. But if you can smell the notes it's hardly the case.

[forest edge]

i understand, like smoking with cherry vs coal or whatever

once you cook the meat and add whatever seaonings you add to it, whatever the "hint" of taste from whatever the naimal ate is long gone

[tidal bronze]

You have loads to learn.

[forest edge]

i disagree lol

[orchid rose]

Well food is like whiskey or wine
I agree with this, but I also think most people are susceptible. You as an audiophiliac should know how easy it is to buy all this

[tidal bronze]

So you would say testing a M3 restaurant is same as a taco truck?

[forest edge]

I mean for all you know it's the same cook using the same source for the food

just at one job he gets paid more and the other is for passion

[tidal bronze]

Just answer the question then I can decide whether it's worth continuing this or not. lol

[forest edge]

what is a M3 restaurant?

[hollow glacier]

Have you ever actually worked in a restaurant?

[tidal bronze]

Michelin 3 star

[forest edge]

ok 3 star

[tidal bronze]

No but I wouldn't mind one day lol

[hollow glacier]

Only difference between Michelin and non is the quality of food they can buy and the amount of energy they put into prep time, seasoning, and presentation

It’s not like the difference between wood and metal

[tidal bronze]

lol. I think this conversation ends here. We change tracks pushing beyond is kinda pointless.

[hollow glacier]

It’s still some low paid fucks doing most of the work

[tidal bronze]

Clearly you have not dined at a M3

Let's let it go.

[forest edge]

comparing a food truck to and establishment is the same as comparing two establishments.. there is always going to be people who like/dislike one or the other but as far as the source from where the food comes.. do I think deli meats taste better than prepacked lunch meat? sometimes, sometimes they taste the same

[hollow glacier]

My takeaway is clearly you are too sheltered to know how most stuff works lol

[forest edge]

no reason to get hostile

[hollow glacier]

That’s not mean that’s being honest

That’s how he’s coming across

Two different worlds man

[tidal bronze]

Was not hostile. He mentioned 3 star that means apples to oranges. So no point.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzesurpising behind the scenes most stuff all comes from the same source. it's the cook who turns something from plain to great not the source of the food as much

[tidal bronze]

Once again proves my point.

[forest edge]

I get it, your sold on olive eating cows over any other cow lol

and those people who raise those cattle appreciate your buisness

|| but it's still the same cow in the end||

[tidal bronze]

20 years ago I thought the same way.

[hollow glacier]

The people who literally raise those cattle have probably never been allowed to taste them lol

The owners of the ranch enjoy his money tho

[forest edge]

so should we be feeding cows vitamins?

wait, a strawberry fed cow has got to be the best

[tidal bronze]

Now I get you, it's like the Pi argument. Food discussion ends here for me. 👍

[forest edge]

no

I assume you eat your steak bloody as all hell

[static schooner]

Chocolate cows make chocolate milk

[forest edge]

that's the only thing i can think of that would allow you to taste the diffrence

I don't eat rare, i only eat well done so whatever the cow ate goes right out the window lol

[tidal bronze]

That's what she said and I believe it.

[glacial knot]

show me the strawberry cow

[crisp sapphire]

@orchid rose @umbral cliff

Disabled just now.

damn that was fast. <24h

[glacial knot]

Can I test it at your place to make sure it works?

[umbral cliff]

Given it was that or a full recall I can see why they rush jobed it

[crisp sapphire]

Its just a setting. So takes no time at all. Still suprising

[umbral cliff]

Takes a bit more than no time, still have to test it and ensure no other bugs

But not surprising at all

Bet you they were told fix it or have the cars recalled properly

[jolly prairie]

I would like to do the experiment so which raspberry pi I need to order.

Raspberry pi with 4GB ram is fine. Please ur advise on this.

[umbral cliff]

What experiment

[glacial knot]

I need to double blind tea at some point. Especially since my taste is back up again…
It’s certainly an acquired skill

[glacial knot]

RasPi 🤢

Depends on your needs. The 4B with 4G is enough for pretty much everything that even makes sense on a pi

[tidal bronze]

PG tips for me.

[glacial knot]

I’m more into greens

[crisp sapphire]

Probably

The QA period usually lasts a week between versions.

and longer for major releases, like the upcoming alpha V3

[forest edge]

this in regards to a tesla setting?

[umbral cliff]

Yes Tesla rolled out a beta update which allowed the cars in self driving to roll through stop signs

[forest edge]

I had always wondered if some towns etc allowed rolling stops. it's such a common thing but everywhere i been they are illegal

[crisp sapphire]

^ thats what i said

[forest edge]

us is so deversed all around it wouldn't shock me if a few small towns allowed it

[umbral cliff]

More proof Kevin is just sonoma in disguise

[crisp sapphire]

lol

[umbral cliff]

Aren’t road laws set by the states though

[forest edge]

highways are state controled, roads are not

but even at that, technically a city could allow some things within city limits that go against state or federal law

not saying your safe from state or federal prosecution it's just that city won't go after you

[crisp sapphire]

Stop pasting my arguments

we already agreed to disagree 😂

[last cedar]

Tetleys, you monster

[crisp sapphire]

Ok this is fucking bullshit. Got sniped on an auction bcuz of the damn CDN response time.

And it said i won, added it to my cart and than rejected it 30 sec after.

thats just sad. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[forest edge]

you going for that limited edition rare elon musk bobble head toy too huh?

[glacial knot]

Are you in australia?

if your pings too high 😂

[jolly prairie]

Setting up home assistant in pi for smart home device added

[green inlet]

There are no federal traffic laws and traffic laws are determined by the state. cities can not allow things different from the state laws.

[crisp sapphire]

The musk of elon perfume. Yes.

https://www.tradera.com/item/524569228

was goin for that

[forest edge]

never said there was federal traffic laws, cities most certainly do control roads within city limits, just as county for counties and so forth. highways are primary paid for and maintained by the state but not roads.

[green inlet]

Once again, you state something totally out of context to make your statement correct. Bravo 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻. I would have to do a little research but I am almost positive that state budgets even control maintenance throughout the states

[forest edge]

out of context? your the one who disagreed with me lmao

not my fault you don't know wtf your talking about

[green inlet]

So you were not responding to this?
#the-water-cooler message

https://tenor.com/view/tatan-baby-tatan-chubby-cute-ok-gif-14597548

[dull chasm]

There is federal traffic laws they set the interstate speed limits and if a state does not enforce funding is at risk. State highways have state title enforcement

[forest edge]

he said roads

[dull chasm]

Roads?

[forest edge]

was responding to pdo

[green inlet]

Please provide an example of a traffic law feds can enforce.

[forest edge]

now he's gonna argue with you. so i'm gonna go take a leak lol

[green inlet]

Prob best…as you are just wrong again

[forest edge]

always wrong i guess

[green inlet]

Well at least that statement was right

[dull chasm]

Feds don’t enforce per se as pulling over the violater

[green inlet]

There are exactly zero federal traffic laws

[dull chasm]

Hmm I don’t think you know who you are arguing with. There are statues that the feds have for example either commercial trucks. They don’t have officers that pull over the vehicle but will enforce at inspection

[forest edge]

lol don't waste your breathe

[green inlet]

That is laughable. You mean state controlled inspection stations

Run by the dmv

[dull chasm]

No they are not state but federally funded and requiresd

Not dmv neither

[green inlet]

Again, please provide an example of a federal traffic law

[dull chasm]

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations

[dusky plank]

it`s illegal to fart in public after 6pm in florida

but what do i know

[dull chasm]

Lol

[glacial knot]

After 6pm Florida time, or in Florida? 🙂

[forest edge]

aren't school zones dictated by fed as well?

[dull chasm]

Louisiana still has a law to wave latern and shoot shotgun before crossing a intersection

No state

[forest edge]

oh

[forest edge]

wtf like can someone do that legally?

most towns/cities have laws against discharging a firearm within limits so that would contradict lol

[green inlet]

Those are federal regulations, not traffic laws

[dull chasm]

I mean I guess I understand what he is saying there is no federal police force for traffic laws but there are mandates that states must enforce

[forest edge]

regulations is law, just not directed to the public

[dull chasm]

Same difference it is a hard copy ticket issued for not obeying

[green inlet]

This all started way up there 👆🏻 talking about rolling stops

[dull chasm]

And goes to traffic court

Do you live in USA

[green inlet]

Me?

[forest edge]

Individual laws, also called acts, are arranged by subject in the United States Code. Regulations are rules made by executive departments and agencies, and are arranged by subject in the Code of Federal Regulations. sounds the same to me just diffrent body

[green inlet]

Yes

Thanks

Exactly what I was saying

[dull chasm]

Well don’t obey get a ticket from someone like me. And it makes no difference on symatics

[glacial knot]

Sounds like EU law. Which requires countries to put it into national law, since those have the authority in their jurisdictions

[forest edge]

what i posted?

or what vasiley was talking about

[green inlet]

@dull chasm , this is what I said was incorrect
#the-water-cooler message

As it relates to the comment directly before it

[forest edge]

speed limits etc are

but state does not own the roads

[green inlet]

They are not

And states do own the roads

[forest edge]

omg

[dull chasm]

It’s a fine balance No the feds don’t have code for speeding but if you don’t set the limit and enforce we will cut your funding. So same difference

[green inlet]

It is this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Traffic_and_Motor_Vehicle_Safety_Act

[dull chasm]

I am out don’t know what you are trying to say. States don’t really own the interstates it is federally mandated and 80 percent funded.

[forest edge]

@green inletso you think state determines and names the roads as well?

[green inlet]

Don’t really care about the names

We were talking about laws.

[forest edge]

but they own them...

[green inlet]

You switched to maintenance

Feds do provide funding

But it is up to the individuals states to maintain their roads

And there is not a federally set speed limit

Which is why you can go state to state and see different max speeds

[forest edge]

just let him believe what he wants

[dull chasm]

State roads yes. Interstate no

@green inlet I work I state government at a fairly high level. Just telling you how it is not trying to prove anything or Chang your mind