I would take it any day over hardware RAID for raccoon memes
#the-water-cooler
last cedar
pale shadow
https://tenor.com/view/new-girl-schmidt-winston-schmidt-max-greenfield-junk-mail...
give me all the junk
i will take it
karmic rampart
lol oculus imagine giving money to facebook
glacial knot
meta
forest edge
lol VR meet smart home. made me think of someone putting on a VR headset to virtually flip a light switch to turn on a real world light then taking the VR headset back off
hollow glacier
lol oculus imagine giving money to facebook
vestal sleet
It is a curious combination. HA being "privacy first". 😛
But I guess there's already Google integration, so Facebook isn't much worse.
median sage
Neither of which are enabled unless someone intentionally does so, hence privacy first ;)
static schooner
lol VR meet smart home. made me think of someone putting on a VR headset to virt...
In theory, you don't need the light at all if the headset helps illuminate the area via the screens
static schooner
<walks around house with Jason mask on>
pale shadow
Scream better smh
hollow glacier
shits on zucks doorstep
tidal bronze
lol VR meet smart home. made me think of someone putting on a VR headset to virt...
Panic at the disco
karmic rampart
but why.
dusky plank
notice me senpai
vestal sleet
I used decade old ethernet cables in my house today.
dusky plank
mainly because i used MoCa until now
vestal sleet
be proud of me
tidal bronze
Laid cat 7, so not a lucky day after all
hollow glacier
Fiber nics why
karmic rampart
just joking, I'd run fiber before cat7 tho
vestal sleet
What situation would you need cat7 for? My old cables are easily supporting the 750/750 mbit internet connection I have. I guess device to device? Something like a NAS and working directly on it?
forest edge
In theory, you don't need the light at all if the headset helps illuminate the a...
was more picturing those people who "automate" their lights and remove any manual way of triggering them whatsoever needing to use VR to see a virtual light switch to flip lol
dusky plank
I used moca until now as said and i had constant 5ms delay on top because of that
i got rid of it, constant 1ms now 🥳
worldly sierra
Only one step away from a new HA integration.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS4fzElm8zk
vestal sleet
moca?
karmic rampart
whats wrong with your network you should be getting a fraction of that 😛
dusky plank
i do
karmic rampart
you got everything running at 10/half
dusky plank
moca is ethernet over coax
vestal sleet
Ah
karmic rampart
thinnet is all you need
vestal sleet
I just did a test, which is PC to Switch to Switch to Router to WAN, using assorted old cables from a box I had lying around
Maybe I could shave that 2ms down to 1ms? 😄
I did consider if I might need better cables some time, for the NAS scenario mentioned above.
But right now, my hardware only supports gigabit, so I'm not sure it'll make much of a difference.
vestal sleet
If you don't solder it directly to the port, how can you know the connection is good?
hollow glacier
I connect a car battery to one side and test with my tongue
glacial knot
only the highest quality gold plated ethernet connectors
vestal sleet
Ohh, that's a clean connection, no dirty malware is going to get through that.
tidal bronze
Gold plated TOS link cables are the best.
forest edge
Laid cat 7, so not a lucky day after all
7 cats got laid.. wut
tidal bronze
It tool me sometime to decipher the laid cat7
forest edge
yes the rest of the world uses a diffrent kind of cable then tree hugging cali's.. we don't use barkfiber
tidal bronze
I am truly jealous of the love you have for California
hollow glacier
'love'
in the same sense that californians 'love' other people right?
(they dont, they just say they do to make themselves feel better)
tidal bronze
Hmmm it's one love
forest edge
been semi stranded at home for a week
forest edge
yea starter on the truck is dying and can't get into a shop till the 11th lol
called one place and they quoted my almost 500 to replace so I told them where they could stick that quote but finally found another shop that hadn't lost it's marbles
karmic rampart
no shortage of work, gotta pay
forest edge
so in order to use unify products such as cameras etc you have to have a unify protect system of some kind?
karmic rampart
yes
you could use something else and just use rtsp but then why buy unifi
right now I would not recommend unifi cameras
stock is way too limited
I've got udm-pro, usw24pro, like 8 cameras
forest edge
can you like install the controller software on something else? I assume that's what the protect is part of?
karmic rampart
no, you can not
forest edge
man i hate close ecosystems
karmic rampart
only way to run protect is with udm-pro or nvr
forest edge
I found a thing that says you can use the ap's without a controller using some app but it didn't say you could do that with anything else
karmic rampart
I don't mind since its all running locally on my udm-pro
two different eco systems, they don't use the same software
you can self host the ap/switch/router controller
technically I guess the camera recordingg is self hosted too
killed two of my g3 flexes, not so water proof upside down 🙂
forest edge
was looking at the new G4 doorbell pro but the original G4 in the instructions listed needing protect so wasn't sure what that meant
hollow glacier
killed two of my g3 flexes, not so water proof upside down 🙂
With a loop in the cable for rain/freeze?
karmic rampart
no exposed cables, its just not water proof enough
karmic rampart
you'll need protect
hollow glacier
The better udm called udr with 6ghz Wi-Fi
Then say udmp. Udm is another product
Lol
UniFi dream router has protect built in with a bit of emmc storage and an sd card slot
Crazy little device for $79
forest edge
i take it the cloudkey is the cheapiest way to get protect when you don't need or want a router?
karmic rampart
its more than $79
hollow glacier
I know someone with a ck gen 2 used to sell
dusky plank
i just feel like im being observed whenever i use unifi
tidal bronze
Lol
dusky plank
the UI and everything makes me suspicious
forest edge
i just feel like im being observed whenever i use unifi
that's in your head.. you being observed has nothing to do with ubiquiti
hollow glacier
i just feel like im being observed whenever i use unifi
5 eyes already has you covered
teal ivy
Unifi Dream Machine Pro is the router here
dusky plank
eh, I just go opensource and know what runs my net
karmic rampart
haven't seen that model
dusky plank
opnsense and openwrt, perfect combo
tidal bronze
Like unifi ap's ptp and ptmp but anything udm no thank you.
karmic rampart
I'll go someone else on ptp and ptmp
tidal bronze
Never failed just Edgerouter fan
forest edge
opnsense and openwrt, perfect combo
wut? I almost went openwrt instead of opnsense.. may still switch down the road
karmic rampart
only use unifi stuff at home
teal ivy
I tried various APs (Cisco, HP, etc...) and I found the ease of setup for the Unifi stuff to be easiest for me.
hollow glacier
haven't seen that model
I got one for my mom. 2/5/6 with 2 Poe ports and emmc storage for $79 it’s a fuckin steal (udr)
forest edge
I really like that g4 doorbell pro's feature but f that having to buy another device just to use it bs
dusky plank
at home just give me one UI
just use OpenWISP, you are fine
hollow glacier
I really like that g4 doorbell pro's feature but f that having to buy another de...
The UniFi protect hacs addon is sweet for hass
karmic rampart
I work for a CLEC, kiss at home
forest edge
The UniFi protect hacs addon is sweet for hass
you mean the sensors to tell when a device is connected to a network etc?
dusky plank
i mean, if you like ADs in your admin UI, I won't stop you from buying way too expensive stuff 😎
hollow glacier
you mean the sensors to tell when a device is connected to a network etc?
No I mean to add protect cameras and entities and stuff to hass
forest edge
oh
karmic rampart
never seen an AD
forest edge
well i have no issues with any of that with what I got
dusky plank
karmic rampart
nor do I think a company announcing their products within their eco system is a big deal
@forest edge people blow shit out of proportion
dusky plank
it's also that whole subscription nonsense
@clear ferry loves unifi, talk to him 😄
forest edge
I do have to admit, thier hardware for direct comparison is kind of on the lacking side. seems like your paying mainly for the software then anything else atleast with the non rack mounted routers
karmic rampart
there are no subscriptions
tidal bronze
aren't you a unify fan boi
Never brand loyal. 😆 unifi ap x 8 + Edgerouter. I am happy.
hollow glacier
Never brand loyal. 😆 unifi ap x 8 + Edgerouter. I am happy.
You live in a castle 🏰?!
karmic rampart
you're thinking meraki, where you spend $$$$ then your shit stops working because accountingg forgot to pay the subscription
forest edge
i knew it
godamn flying buisnessmen.. can't trust them
close to a castle.. he lives in a sea of homeless all trapped inside an inescapable fenced off yard
karmic rampart
big baller so many aps
dusky plank
Devices will lose controller support in a controller version that is released AFTER the EOL date, and it will be clearly announced in release notes. In other words, it should be clear to the user before the upgrade happens, that the upgrade will terminate support.
F that
teal ivy
I know a guy that has a 7k sqft house and ran 8-10 APs in it.
karmic rampart
that means, that new verisons of the controller will no longer manage older devices
forest edge
depends what they mean by support
as long as the devices continue to work then it's fine
karmic rampart
fairly common for companies to EOL devices
forest edge
but if they cut those devices off.. f that
karmic rampart
device will still work, just can't be managed
dusky plank
doesn't change the fact that the devices are perfectly fine but cannot be used anymore with new versions.
orchid rose
lol VR meet smart home. made me think of someone putting on a VR headset to virt...
You think I'm weird? 🤔
dusky plank
no reason for that puking
static schooner
which leads people to want to use old controller versions just for them
forest edge
can't be managed sounds like they cutting it off lol
karmic rampart
which you are free to do
dusky plank
clearly worth the premium, yep
forest edge
You think I'm weird? 🤔
I think your going to fall down the stairs one day searching for that virtual light switch
orchid rose
Good that I can only afford one floor then 😉
karmic rampart
things going EOL is just the nature of the game
hollow glacier
Their products last years before going eol
forest edge
not cutting them off to where they practically become paper weights isn't nature of the game lol
hollow glacier
Look how long the ap AC pro has been going strong
karmic rampart
its not reasonable to expect development lines to be maintained indefinitely
static schooner
There was a point where I figured that you'd want to upgrade before they went EOL, but a) I have a bunch of them and it's expensive to replace them all and b) I don't really see a compelling reason to want Wifi6
dusky plank
my tp link archer c7 isn't going out of support with OpenWRT for at least the next ten years
hollow glacier
Ya but then you’re using tp link lol
karmic rampart
tp link going to release firmwares for it for 10 years?
forest edge
yea he's running openwrt
proven spruce
What does being tp link have to do with it?
forest edge
the device is just a slave to a new software
hollow glacier
Their omada line is popular and not consumer spaceships tho
hollow glacier
What does being tp link have to do with it?
karmic rampart
tho ubnt should have stopped at cameras
I've never heard of or seen a single person use their phones
karmic rampart
gotta send someone up a tower to replace an af24hd soon
installing wireless gear is a shitty job, and I mean all the bird poop
forest edge
tidal bronze
https://tenor.com/view/seagull-attack-gif-18933810
Never knew you were into strange things like that. Then again you are from Missouri, anything is possible.
forest edge
https://www.eejournal.com/article/why-your-computer-is-slower-than-a-1970s-pc/
acceptable trade off
forest edge
Never knew you were into strange things like that. Then again you are from Misso...
isn't that like a seagull or something? that's your part of the woods pal lol
karmic rampart
"It takes longer for a keypress to get from the keyboard to the screen than it does for a TCP/IP packet to circle the globe, Luu notes with a mixture of wonder and frustration. "
lawl, no.
midnight adder
how does that make sense
that's like more than 100 ms ping
and it doesn't take 100 ms for your keyboard to work
strange vapor
"It takes longer for a keypress to get from the keyboard to the screen than it d...
Have you used Atlassian Confluence recently? I had to update a page with a large table today, and I could go for a coffee between keystrokes :/
forest edge
I dunno @clear ferry uses some pretty old shit
karmic rampart
I can't get discord on my amiga 500
forest edge
sure he needs to get up to address the many crashes that occured while he slept
tidal bronze
Only if US got the damn plugs right, I feel so bad putting all this load on Norway
static schooner
also does not pass the sniff test:
These changes all add up, to the point where input latency has gone from 30–40 milliseconds in the 1970s to 300–400 ms today.
karmic rampart
must have an lcd from 1996
static schooner
humans would easily notice nearly a half-second delay for each keystroke, and there's no way that's typical
forest edge
@tidal bronze send me one of your many 3d printers so that I may use it a couple of time then let it sit dormant collecting dust the rest of the year and i'll send it back lol
karmic rampart
thats all my 3d print does it collect dust and take up space
forest edge
should be a 3d printer share program where people just pass the same machine onward to others
karmic rampart
they are machines you kind of have to learn how each acts
tidal bronze
Such a useless machine after few months years.
karmic rampart
then your slicer settings and models
buy a 3d printer, learn why people don't like printing you things
tidal bronze
@forest edge send all of mine out to friends to play around. Thank you for reminding.
forest edge
<@104768700069990400> send all of mine out to friends to play around. Thank you ...
as long as one makes it's way to missouri...
karmic rampart
drive to micro center and get you one
tidal bronze
Let me get one back first. Lol
forest edge
he can just drop it from the plane as he flys over
put a little parachute on it, sure he would add some oragnic food snacks as well that would make a normal person yak
make everyone fear the invasion of the pods
tidal bronze
he can just drop it from the plane as he flys over
374 miles out 😕
forest edge
stuff drifts.. just plan for a good south to north wind lol
forest edge
they never address the issues like who's gonna pay, what about the people who own the land they want to take up, is really building and rebuilding that many solar panels feasible material wise? and for how long could you keep up with that before it itself becomes an issue
still an interesting video
ashen kayak
Solar isn't ready for prime time IMO.
strange crag
should be a 3d printer share program where people just pass the same machine onw...
I believe there is a internet 3d printing service - just like there is a PCB making service. No need to buy a printer 😉
strange crag
Solar is only 20% efficient. Not that good. Battery tech is probably more efficient. So guess solar needs to up their game. There is however some "solar" panels that convert IR to energy - which means they work day and night and may not need the battery.
As for batteries - the one I am waiting to see more info on is the battery that is nothing more than a rainwater tank that has some sort of gel in it. You want more storage - put more gel in it from a gel tanker! Its supposed to be very energy dense, but I would like to see some figures cos it sounds really kewl!
glacial knot
they'll still peak during the day. So you'll have to adjust some habits/schedules to survive on the IR at night
strange crag
so youi would still need a battery - but not as big a battery as with standard solar
forest edge
I believe there is a internet 3d printing service - just like there is a PCB mak...
so i can print something i cannot retrieve or have to pay for someone to ship to me? lol
strange crag
yes - its a service but pretty cheap
glacial knot
The nice thing about solar efficiency: it only matters for W/area calculations
They are mostly thought of in peak W that they can produce. Since nothing goes in, the efficiency isn't a parameter of running them at any point in time.
Higher efficiency solar will lead to higher Peak watt setups on same area, but not necessarily Watt/tCO_2 or similar as with other power generation
strange crag
@forest edge saw an interesting 3d printer the other day (on the web) in that the build plate was a conveyor belt - so it automates the printing of parts cos it can unload itself by moving the belt and where the belt wraps around a pulley is where the object drops into the storage bin.
forest edge
yea look up videos of that model being mounted to the side of a wall so that the completed pieces fall into a bin
strange crag
@glacial knot but the W/area is of concern as there is only so much roof space available before you have to use land. Also a factor that the guy in the video didnt mention is that the area around the solar panels is actually warmer than the surrounding area. Therefore the larger the solar farm the larger the affected area. Wondering at what size it would start to affect local weather?
glacial knot
yea, it is a concern and needs to be improved. But in a very different way than for non-regenerables
strange crag
@glacial knot wont be long till we can make some Replicators! lol
glacial knot
only once the printer prints itself
strange crag
I just tried to find that 3d printer with the belt and I cant, but it was a standard vertical gantry 3d printer with the build area replaced by a belt. All the ones I am now finding have a tilted gantry.
I meant these replicators @glacial knot
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZXgNNg9YQKs/maxresdefault.jpg
finite atlas
As for batteries - the one I am waiting to see more info on is the battery that ...
Sounds like lead acid with extra steps
Alternatively, go for hydrogen, you can store it in pressure tanks and convert it back into electricity
forest edge
glacial knot
Why wouldn't you use it if you have it around?
glacial knot
I have a couple Cat7 cables here. For "longer" distances (20m)
pale shadow
Cat 6 does 100 tho
glacial knot
so?
pale shadow
Why pay for Cat7 when Cat6a is just as good for any home use case
glacial knot
because the price difference barely matters?
pale shadow
I prefer RacX
glacial knot
it's all Mambo Mambo 5
last cedar
It would be a better product if it has raccoon in the name
last cedar
I prefer RacX
clear ferry
I dunno <@!457673488225009676> uses some pretty old shit
Sorry, I don't use as old tech as you find in your basement
pale shadow
Liar
clear ferry
it's also that whole subscription nonsense
<@!457673488225009676> loves unifi, t...
Unifi 🤢
pale shadow
Your house is probably made of an old mainframe
forest edge
Sorry, I don't use as old tech as you find in your basement
i mean we know it's "new" to you but to the rest of the world it was manufactured in 1970's
pale shadow
😂
strange crag
Sounds like lead acid with extra steps
Alternatively, go for hydrogen, you can s...
Definitely not lead acid in a 4000gal tank. 😇
clear ferry
Fun fact for other countries, in Norway it has been illegal to serve alcohol since the 7th of December
To cull COVID
clear ferry
3657.6 decimetres then
dusky plank
lel
snow hedge
I think I'm developing a problem
proven spruce
It becomes a problem when you have 3 boxes of unused stuff
snow hedge
Ah, at least I'm using it all \o/
dusky plank
crystal tide
Where do i seek helt with scripts thats toublesome
velvet horizonBOT
dusky plank
which script are you talking? shell? appdaemon? homeassistant script?
clear ferry
It becomes a problem when you have 3 boxes of unused stuff
And if I have.... Five?
orchid rose
Then you should open a donation channel here
brisk glen
How big are these boxes?
fallow karma
I am from poor country 😎
brisk glen
Sooo.. not boxes but crates
clear ferry
Probably
The joys of owning a house
@last cedar just my water heater is 100kwh so far this month
Government will now cover 80% of our power bill instead of 55%
soft lance
Wat
clear ferry
For everything above a certain price
soft lance
So people with massive mansions get given the most for their bills?
clear ferry
Since most people live in houses here,yes
soft lance
Thats crazy
clear ferry
But everyone gets the same percentage
last cedar
Fun fact for other countries, in Norway it has been illegal to serve alcohol sin...
If alcohol is used to disinfect hands , why wouldn't drinking alcohol help kill anything inside the body?
proven spruce
it does 😉
low harness
But only at concentrations that kill the host too.
last cedar
<@300242410338910209> just my water heater is 100kwh so far this month
Does this also heat the house?
proven spruce
that would be anything inside the body
low harness
Ok. True
clear ferry
Does this also heat the house?
No
mortal pendant
Got my daily timelapse maker working. Generates 13 2K 60FPS timelapses for all my cameras every 24 hours with timestamps
mortal pendant
why?
Cause I like watching them lol. And I like having them when something happens, snow storm, working in the yard, etc. And I'll store all of them so eventually I can make videos to watch the seasons change and stuff
clear ferry
So 100 kW of hot water for taps?
Yes
finite atlas
thats a lot
forest edge
he probably heats it using a stinger.. I keep saying he's way behind on modern inventions lol
clear ferry
thats a lot
Washing a lot of bottles every day, plus keeping two kids clean and more
finite atlas
its still a lot
clear ferry
forest edge
it is a lot. I would be really curious what would happen if you guys ran into an energy crisis
clear ferry
The best part is
I'm using 43% less then the average household in my size
In my part of the country
forest edge
that is absolutely crazy. shame on you people for not being more efficient
dawn prawn
I'm using 43% less then the average household in my size
Are you still coping about your ridiculous energy prices?
forest edge
you should be so you can help pipe some of that to surrounding countries
clear ferry
Are you still coping about your ridiculous energy prices?
Well yes, now state is covering 80% of the bill above a certain kWh price though
clear ferry
you should be so you can help pipe some of that to surrounding countries
That was the idea, except all water magazines are empty right now so we have to buy expensive German power
forest edge
lol what you gonna do if something happens and you go into a long stretch blackout?
glacial knot
there's people that buy power from us? How messy is your generation if ours is more stable D:
clear ferry
lol what you gonna do if something happens and you go into a long stretch blacko...
We haven't had a blackout..... Ever afaik, so not worried
clear ferry
there's people that *buy* power from us? How messy is your generation if ours is...
Das vind
🌬️
forest edge
We haven't had a blackout..... Ever afaik, so not worried
don't say it could never happen, but my question was what would you do if it did
clear ferry
I have a few weeks of wood in my garage I'll survive
The longest power outage I've experienced in the last 30 years was 6h
static schooner
Powering servers with a pile of wood would be challenging
glacial knot
neither steam engines, nor simple generators are really complex
only hard part would be to keep a steady 230V
clear ferry
so basically what your saying is, you'll die
Do not worry sweet summer child, when you live in the great socialist dream we'll be fine without looting and civil war 
forest edge
uh huh, that's what everyone says just before they end up killing their neighbor for brown cheese
clear ferry
My polish neighbours? My somali neighbours, my pensioners neighbours or my crazy music American muscle car neighbour? Who will go first!
finite atlas
me me me !
forest edge
what is your electric bill per month, I know we been over this whole convo once before but i don't remember
forest edge
really wouldn't doubt it
last cedar
I would guess that people up North in Sweden have similar consumption
They have a similar electrical situation to Norway
clear ferry
Well, it used to be $20-70 a month
But last month was $750
State will cover around $300 of that
last cedar
It is crazy tbh
They are talki g about improving the link from North to South Sweden to allow us to get more power from North
clear ferry
Same here
They are only partially connected
We have 4 power regions with scarce connections
last cedar
And everyone just like "all they will do is make the north pay as much as we are paying in the south" and I agree with them. But it shouldn't be
clear ferry
Plus three out of country cables
last cedar
Also, once fuel duty on fuel dries up, I bet we will pay like 4 or 5 sek per unit for electric
As soon as thry can't guilt us into paying enormous amount of fuel tax, we will have electric tax instead
clear ferry
forest edge
But last month was $750
are you converting that already to US?
clear ferry
Yes
forest edge
which gas
forest edge
Gasoline we pay a whole lot less than most the rest of the world
clear ferry
Yes
forest edge
same goes with natural gas i believe
clear ferry
Yes
forest edge
not sure about propane tho
last cedar
What about unnatural gas?
forest edge
I think we played it smart with whole gasoline thing, we outsourced our gas up till it got costly then started using our own lol
clear ferry
Currently we are topping out at $8.84 per gallon of gasoline
forest edge
just over $2.00 here
clear ferry
The cheapest I've ever remembered was probably 1995ish,we paid $3 per gallon
forest edge
this is why your salary is so high, cost of living has to balance shit out lol
curious what a burger flipper makes there
clear ferry
Good thing it balances it out well
clear ferry
$19 plus evening and weekend extras per hour for McDonald's in Norway in 2014 it seems
forest edge
that's kind of sad
clear ferry
Those are students mostly though, they get $12k per semester of school from state too
forest edge
prior to this movement to up our min wage then it made sense, but soon our mcdonalds employee's will be making close to the same amount but with a way less cost of living expenses
clear ferry
They just work for extra income
forest edge
if you think about it, one day our fast food employee's could be making more than you on the scale chart lol
forest edge
by the time you factor in cost of living i wouldn't doubt it
they make over $10/hr now as is and it's still climbing
granted it doesn't mean they will be living the life of luxury or anything, everything balances out but still
dusky plank
energy prices went up 99€ cent/kwh from ~30€ cent/kwh in some areas here
clear ferry
Yeah, our low point was 3øre, so far the high point is 856øre
static schooner
I lost my bored apes!
orchid rose
I love how the discussion about NFTs is between those who buy NFTs and don't understand them and those who don't buy NFTs and don't understand them
"It's revolutionary technology" vs "I can just copy-paste the picture, hurdur"
shy comet
I love how the discussion about NFTs is between those who buy NFTs and don't und...
i had a friend tell me that he stopped asking all the questions i was asking and just buys them and sells for a profit
my thing is I get why its important....but im more in the who cares about ownership pile
orchid rose
The idea of ownership is clearly in transition right now
But the way the current NFTs are structured is just hilarious
forest edge
kind of makes me think people are getting clever in figuring out more and more ways to drain super rich people of their undeserving money
69 mil for digital art.. i mean come on
orchid rose
nice
shy comet
69 mil for digital art.. i mean come on
its ridiculous but good for the person whose able to sell it
I feel like most of the craze is from those who are making money....you wont hear from someone losing money in this case
forest edge
it's snake oil, one side always benefits lol
static schooner
well, there was the guy who didn't put enough zeroes in the price and regretted it
forest edge
you get "ownership" but that comes with fine print
shy comet
one things for sure...thers no denying theres money to be made if your smart....but for some of us it goes beyond reason lol
shy comet
you get "ownership" but that comes with fine print
ownership for the metaverse 😛
forest edge
i am all for the wealth dispersing about, i mean people are getting rich left and right anymore and you know some of them are not that smart which means the sharks are swimming the waters
hell maybe one day my taco bell dog collection will be worth something again 🤞
dusky plank
no
forest edge
atx might actually be able to sell some of his "equipment"
orchid rose
Problem with these types of get rich quick schemes is that usually the people who end up losing are the ones that don't have the money to lose in the first place
static schooner
buy high, sell low FOMO
orchid rose
NFTs currently are just tulips all over again. The idea is interesting in itself, but there's no value in how it is marketed right now
forest edge
meh problem? only idiots put themselves in those positions so I don't see it a "problem" just a harsh learning experince lol
static schooner
I sometimes feel that way about bitcoin and then come to my senses
dusky plank
want to get some money? come join our telegram channel, porsche cayman S !!!
orchid rose
🚀 🌑
forest edge
no offense to anyone invested into cryptocurrencies but i still want to see it fall on it's face
orchid rose
meh problem? only idiots put themselves in those positions so I don't see it a "...
I guess for me the issue is that it disproportionately goes for people who can't afford to lose. I don't really care that much if a rich person blows away a few million, but when someone throws away their life savings, it's a bit sad regardless of how dumb it was
forest edge
it's sad for the people who may depend on that person, not for the person itself
can't even count the amount of times casino's have turned families upside down
that i have seen or heard about
orchid rose
it's sad for the people who may depend on that person, not for the person itself
I wouldn't draw that distinction. It's very easy to fall for these when life hasn't been that kind to you
forest edge
I guess there are always those exceptions but for the most part it really does fall down to the saying, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
be pretty neat if one of those desktop ai toys like vector or emo had an api so it could be used with HA
hushed basalt
forest edge
It's kind of funny when I watch videos of furniture makers who make like tables etc that use a whole lot of resin. They take what would otherwise be a useless section of wood and use resin to shape it out into a table. It's cool, but they charge more for that than say an all wood piece of furniture and no one mentions the fact that resin actually breaks down over time. so these people spend more money for a product that likely won't even outlast them.
hushed basalt
I found out yesterday that Australians hang wall plasterboard differently to other places
Plasterboard (drywall) is rare in my state so I've never seen it done before
glacial knot
upside down?
hushed basalt
glacial knot
What are we looking at here?
hushed basalt
Horizontal
6m wide sheets
Compared to like this
Sounds crazy to handle a 6m x 1200mm sheet though
That's 20 x 3 ft
glacial knot
just don't work alone
hushed basalt
Yeah they would work in pairs
This being professionals
DIY stuff you wouldn't buy that size
There's all these things you don't think about your country doing differently
Until you see somewhere else do it differently
forest edge
whats diffrent?
hushed basalt
Other than plasterboard?
Hmm let me see
We turn switches down to turn them on
Our power outlets are landscape orientation, our light switches are portrait
Both the same size
We use very small switch mechanisms
Typical switch mech
Hand for scale
99% of Australian homes built in the past say 30-40 years will have power outlets of some minor variation of this style
glacial knot
Hand for scale
what's going on with that braid of cables there on the top one? o.0
restive oar
Where can I find info on running multiple DHT sensors on a D1 Mini?
forest edge
Other than plasterboard?
referring to whats different in how you hang drywall. we hang drywall both horizontal and vertical, in fact you are suppose to stagger the seams although for long runs where whole sheets can fit you can have long seams. now "using" drywall is something not every other country does, as you refer to plaster many countries use the slats and shove plaster in between and over them
plaster is a bitch to remove compared to drywall
strange crag
gyprock/plasterboard/driwall can be placed in any convenient way. No rule says it has to be one way or the other. As for powerpoints well we have all sizes - singles, doubles, quads. Some with switches above or to the side. Light switches can be wide or narrow to fit architraves around the door or on a powerpoint as an extra switch. And ........... we even have .......... esp based switches! 🤣
oh and we used to have the lathe and plaster method too - way back in the old days
fallow karma
But do you have real buildings? I mean not made of wood and sticks, but REAL one, made of bricks and concrete?
strange crag
lol ofc !
Or would you like me to say that they mount in my humpy or on the gumtree?? rofl!
fallow karma
. I just have seen in a tv shows, some countries build houses of wooden sticks and boards. Only piece made of real building material is the chimney
strange crag
Canada would have to have a double layer - too bloody cold! lol
yeah - they look like a way forward - beats lumping bricks around by wheelbarrow
probably still want plasterboard inside tho
fallow karma
Board houses are warm, they're made almost of insulation, but i'd be afraid about any single water leak , it could make huge damage to house made mostly of rock wool
And sticks
strange crag
dont know where you get this idea that board (weatherboard?) houses are warm. Need more insulation in them than you do for brick.
fallow karma
It's pure insulation. Brick has worse (bigger) heat transfer factor than rock wool or styrofoam
strange crag
got that in english? or can you tell me what each colour is?
oh and how thick is that overall?
much translation later I figured it out lol
not very descriptive - what insulation?
the windoproofing is probably what we call a builders blanket, but the vapor proof is something we dont do normally.
wouldnt that make the house sweat if it cant breathe?
or do you have another method to let the moisture out without letting the cold in?
finite atlas
a piece of plastic surrounded by rockwool on both sides
strange crag
Also hope the styrofoam is tuffer than normal stuff
interesting - the first google result I grab for rockwool is acoustical insulation not thermal lol
fallow karma
Maybe i named it not exactly good
Mineral wool is also known as mineral fiber, mineral cotton, mineral fibre, man-made mineral fibre (MMMF), and man-made vitreous fiber (MMVF).
@strange crag sadly i haven't it in any other languages
And about thickness. It's about 15 cm of wool inside, and about 20 cm styrofoam outside.
More than less. It could be 25cm inside and 10 outside, but it's math. Heat transfer factor should be U ≤ 0,25 W/(m2K)
strange crag
looks like the highest R rating we can get in Australia is about 5, whereas you guys apparently can get R ratings in the 20+ range!
and that was for rockwool
fallow karma
It is regulated by law, can't be more than 0.3 W/(m2K)
I think you haven't -15 °C in Australia? Except on the top of Kościuszko mountain
@strange crag 😉
strange crag
correct not that cold here, but could do with it to keep the heat out tho!
fallow karma
I never thought of that
SD card in my camera at allotment house went bad. So i made an automation that sends me a snapshot over discord bot. It still uses build-in camera motion detection system, but discord is now my free image cloud
clear ferry
Watching all of these American renovation shows, everyone wants a mudroom
I don't think I've ever been in a Scandinavian house without one
clear ferry
Is it common in Germany?
fallow karma
Mudroom. Strange name. We call it przedpokój , which means "in front of the room", "before-room" or something like that
fallow karma
I forgot again which scandivegian country are you from?
Norway?
@clear ferry your houses are made of wood or rather bricks and concrete?
small sleet
Hi guys i have question about LG tv for domotic, i post i this section ?
fallow karma
@small sleet nope totally wrong place
small sleet
yep 😄
small sleet
<@409070312685043713> nope totally wrong place
Do you know where is possiible find appId of app of my tv. ?
dusky plank
eingangsbereich
fallow karma
@small sleet no idea, try specialized channels
dusky plank
we do domozicz here now?
fallow karma
Nope but maybe anyone knows something about his tv
clear ferry
<@457673488225009676> your houses are made of wood or rather bricks and concrete...
Brick and concrete is rare yes
fallow karma
I dunno why here, in forrest country ,from XIV century everything even a chickencoop is made of bricks 🧱.
When we made our mother-in-law veranda (porch?) rebuild of wood and boards, her neighbour claimed that it could last barely untill next winter , and then will mould completely.
I told him that people around the world build whole houses like this. Then he told : yeah, but in hot and dry countries.
I asked him "how about Canada?"
( Wood and board houses are here called "Canadian" )
He didn't answer
fallow karma
clear ferry
This is mostly the last 30 years
This was 50-60 years ago
This is 100ish years ago
And this is 200 years ago
fallow karma
I think our houses are build like this, to last light bombing raid. In case if our neighbours wanted to visit us again 😆
fallow karma
Our modern houses look like this too, but it doesn't interfere with being made of concrete with deep basement
glacial knot
I think our houses are build like this, to last light bombing raid. In case if ...
which side?
also, what the fuck kind ancient bricks do you use?
fallow karma
which side?
Guess
glacial knot
east
fallow karma
And this is 200 years ago
Barbarians. Our 200 year ago
glacial knot
I assume you are in east prussia 🙂
fallow karma
I assume you are in east prussia 🙂
Yeah, them called it like that
clear ferry
Lol
fallow karma
Let's drop it anyway. Someone might be offended
clear ferry
Don't worry @dusky plank is my favourite hurensohn 
fallow karma
Ok, that should offend him more than my sophisticated jokes 😎
glacial knot
He's not a neighbour though iirc. He's two to the south
low harness
I need to run a meeting for a bit over 100 people with varying degrees of technological profficiency. It's important that everyone can get to tell their ideas (text or speech) and possibility for running polls is a plus. Cheap or free doesn't hurt. Any ideas?
clever mortar
low harness
Would prefer to keep the polls inside the same tool, but something like that could work as an addition.
clever mortar
If you want it all in one, Google Meet does polls and breakout rooms
IMO Sli.do is better
low harness
I'm thinking something like slack/discord with video broadcasting, so there could be a startup meeting/presentation and then the discussions could continue for a long time. I feel I have no idea about this sort of thing.
clever mortar
Meet can do that. You can have a stream as well as interactive, plus you can record it
I suspect you'd be better off with two tools though, I've not seen any "all in one" that do it all well
clear ferry
Teams does everything you ask for though
pale shadow
Teams does everything you ask for though
I was thinkign that too
clever mortar
I've not had the pleasure of using Teams yet... sounds neat
clear ferry
And you can record for later viewing
pale shadow
How have you not used teams yet
Everyone went to Zoom
The teams had a big update
and zoom went to teams
clever mortar
Slack, Webex, GMeet,and probably other things
pale shadow
ew
clear ferry
Zoom is fine, but the office 365 tie in of teams is great
clever mortar
Teams, other than the web app, not so much
pale shadow
Never come across anyone who uses google meet
clear ferry
I have one customer who uses the Google suite
It is always a nightmare to collaborate
pale shadow
I imagine so
clear ferry
At least it isn't lotus notes
pale shadow
o365 E3 ties in with everything so its great
pale shadow
At least it isn't lotus notes
We had a company who was using the lotus suite
It was quickly gone overnight
low harness
Browsing through some checklists Teams is looking pretty good actually, yes.
pale shadow
Have you not used teams either?!
low harness
Only for instant messaging at work, more or less.
Oh, we used to have Lotus Notes too. I repressed that memory.
pale shadow
🤮
clear ferry
Teams has lots of plugins
And multi user video conferencing is great
I do all my workshops in teams, and record it and send it to attendees
Very easy to switch between presentations and different video streams
pale shadow
Best bit is how easy it is to hand over control
Also anyone know of a pattress box that can house 6 8p8c modules
hushed basalt
what's going on with that braid of cables there on the top one? o.0
Electricians twist all the conductors together when they insert it into the screw terminals
So if you don't have a secure anchor on the conductors insulation they tend to twist with the bare copper ends
last cedar
Real electricians use wagos
hushed basalt
referring to whats different in how you hang drywall. we hang drywall both horiz...
I don't think anyone lathes plaster since like the 40s
glacial knot
Ahh, we’ve long since moved on from that kinda connection, outside hackjobs
hushed basalt
I wish Wagos weren't so expensive
last cedar
Wagos are literally the best thing since sliced bread
clear ferry
Lol Aussie sparkies
hushed basalt
99.9999% of cable to cable junctions in Australia elecs are done with screw terminals,
clear ferry
last cedar
99.9999% of cable to cable junctions in Australia elecs are done with screw term...
Probably why the whole country has gone to shit, and the wildlife wants to eat you
last cedar
Ubåt
Not wagos
@clear ferry what do you call those?
Ubåt in Swedish
(submarine)
hushed basalt
It's hard to do a direct comparision to wagos
Since these things can support ~4 conductors
clear ferry
I haven't seen one of those in two decades @last cedar
hushed basalt
But you still use them for 1-3 conductors
clear ferry
We used wago stuff when I did my education in 2000
hushed basalt
But 221 wagos are about 3 times more expensive
clear ferry
dusky plank
clear ferry
hushed basalt
clear ferry
dawn prawn
At least it isn't lotus notes
I still don’t know why we are using that for one thing at work…
dawn prawn
Real electricians use wagos
I think wagos may actually be illegal here
last cedar
Great summary
last cedar
I think wagos may actually be illegal here
What part of the world is that
Remind me to never visit
dawn prawn
Because admins are lazy fucks
They use it for a stores demands system - so it can be traced from initiation back to receipt and people can add comments and shit along the way. Good for accountability - shocking to get there.
dawn prawn
What part of the world is that
Australia. I don’t think they meet our ‘standards’ which are arguably the most stringent and retarded in the world
Like if @hushed basalt actually took that switch plate off his wall and did not have an electrical license which takes 3-5 years to get, he is open to something along the lines of a 50k AUD fine
They even tried to push that you needed an electrician to change light bulbs at one stage
The industry is heavily unionised
umbral cliff
Like if <@448110501696897025> actually took that switch plate off his wall and d...
The biggest part is getting caught though, which is hard, theres no way to tell if the work was done by an electrician or not unless you can somehow prove someone was there
glacial knot
Ahh, we’ve long since moved on from that kinda connection, outside hackjobs
We don’t have high fines, but insurances might get pissy
hushed basalt
I've seen Wagos for sale at wholesalers so I assume they're not illegal
Big display in the middle facing the front door
The electrical licensing scene in Aus is definitely protectionism and doesn't holistically lead to safer or better outcomes for the home owners
So much stuff done by electricians I've seen is dodgey as shit
My friend works on 33kv lines that can turn a linesman instantly into dust
But isn't allowed to change a plug on a drill
last cedar
They even tried to push that you needed an electrician to change light bulbs at ...
Ouch
last cedar
My friend works on 33kv lines that can turn a linesman instantly into dust
That is the silly side of electrical stuff
clear ferry
I think the Swedes can do almost anything themselves right @last cedar ?
Norway sells everything, but notes that only qualified personnel can install
fallow karma
I think the Swedes can do almost anything themselves right <@300242410338910209>...
Poles are even better. We don't go to holidays, just renew our houses
last cedar
I think the Swedes can do almost anything themselves right <@300242410338910209>...
Only qualified can install
clear ferry
I've never been to Poland, wanted to go though, I did contemplate at one point to bring my car to Poland to replace all bearings and overhaul engine
last cedar
We can do everything after the socket. Although I have done a course for 230 connections of things that already have connections, like small transformers , etc
fallow karma
Let's start holidays!
fallow karma
I've never been to Poland, wanted to go though, I did contemplate at one point t...
I can arrange it for you, when your bearings will worn 😎
fallow karma
A8 is good as far as it's 4,2
fallow karma
Curiosity: Old A8 with 3.3 TDI had radiator fan propelled with hydraulic engine and pump attached to engine accessory belt
late gate
Overkill?
forest edge
what keeps someone from just unplugging the one?
late gate
The ring is not 24/7 surveillance. I cant change the trafo here
I would prefer to use a doorbell with surveillance
forest edge
can you not leach a stream off the ring?
late gate
no, trafo not strong enough
forest edge
so something like this dosen't work? https://github.com/jeroenterheerdt/ring-hassio
late gate
no, its battery with trafo charge
in europe we dont have 24v trafos
they are like 5-6v and just barely enough to charge the battery
so if you run the addon it will last one day
late gate
I cant get anyone to change the trafo to a 24v
cause I got doorbells with onvif
No allowed to do yourself
forest edge
typical
late gate
good view though hehe
forest edge
how would anyone know if you changed it out yourself?
late gate
here in norway you can get control
and since its unusual with anything else than the low voltage its a problem
forest edge
is that your neighbor?
late gate
garage
forest edge
oh lol
late gate
I hope I can get someone to change the trafo, then no need for camera
the doorbell is in perfect high for face detection too
hushed basalt
Norway sells everything, but notes that only qualified personnel can install
Same here
I have to give to what seems to be the American system
DIY basic replacement of switches etc
More than that get a permit, a basic dropkick test and inspection
And electrician required for switchboard installations and that sort of connection stuff
hushed basalt
My house was certainly not up to scratch when sold
Lighting installed on power circuits
late gate
my old house I did a lot too, but that was before the selling rules
This one I cant touch a thing
clear ferry
Since new year you need papers on EVERYTHING electric when selling
Up to five years before sale
hushed basalt
Live cable floating around in ceiling loose with the end covered with a fold of electrical tape
late gate
@clear ferry yeah but talking about the new rules of "as is"
static schooner
Is it just a fine, have to get an electrician to sign off?
late gate
In Oslo I could get an electrician to change a trafo, but Stavanger is so high demand they want $500 to just change one
static schooner
Can't sell at all?
late gate
@static schooner Nobody will write off on it
forest edge
Live cable floating around in ceiling loose with the end covered with a fold of ...
sounds pretty australian standard to me
late gate
Here in norway they even want a professional to screw on the washing machine, cause regular persons cant do that themself
tidal bronze
What's good from CES? Other than the $1400 roborock
forest edge
What's good from CES? Other than the $1400 roborock
aside from the wipeaway robot that cleans your butt?
late gate
I need a robot that goes up stairs. I got 3 floors
hushed basalt
As in screw on the water connection for the washing machine?
late gate
@hushed basalt yes the plastic thing
forest edge
yet here in the states installers won't even touch certian things like gas lines
tidal bronze
forest edge
projectors are shit
fallow karma
This one I cant touch a thing
They will shoot you if u dare ?
late gate
No, but they can demand a full check of the house, and insurance wont be valid
static schooner
Fingerprint the wires
late gate
the house is from 1990s so they used visually different connectors then
Here also everything is stamped with dates, even tubes for wires
scenic radish
fallow karma
Stupid laws. No freedom at all.
late gate
the US is too free when it comes to wires
but it should be allowed to do yourself, get an inspection and get it legal
fallow karma
It's how it works here, in Poland
forest edge
always so depressing when we see others with less freedom
late gate
Its an issue for smart home. It would cost you at LEAST $20-30K to change plugs an thermostats to smart
if you want it hardwired
last cedar
finite atlas
lovely
last cedar
Yes
fallow karma
Its an issue for smart home. It would cost you at LEAST $20-30K to change plugs ...
Wonder if my 1kV certificate is valid in your country. I could do this for half price ;)
late gate
probably not
last cedar
Wonder if my 1kV certificate is valid in your country. I could do this for half ...
As long as it doesn't explode, I would be happy
proven cobalt
Hello there folks!
proven cobalt
https://tenor.com/view/ds1-dark-souls-dark-souls-darksouls-remastered-gif-118825...
I see, I'll be having a good time on this server
clear ferry
clever mortar
clear ferry
static schooner
Most popular HA user in your town, voted in by your parents
proven cobalt
Well nobody said they'd have to
clear ferry
last cedar
I always have a good time on this server
proven cobalt
I always have a good time on this server
Oh I'm certain
proven cobalt
All hail Michelle!
static schooner
Is that Thelma or Louise?
tame sand
Pancake
proven cobalt
https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-jumping-raccoonjumping-gif-24012628
NOOOOO
last cedar
Omg
It survived the fall
But
Did it go under or not
Damn
I guess I won't be getting any sleep tonight then
static schooner
Schrödinger's Raccoon
last cedar
Even so
Those wild boar get hit by cars
Just shake themseleves off and carry on
No idea how sturdy a raccoon is though
static schooner
Can be reconstituted from trash like Frankenstein
last cedar
Can be reconstituted from trash like Frankenstein
So mean
Like that peppa pig zigsaw puzzle
With about 2 million bits of bacon
forest edge
Can be reconstituted from trash like Frankenstein
dusky plank
they are quite solid and fluent at the same time
eh, the gif ends too soon.
that fricker just walks away from a 10 meter fall
dusky plank
static schooner
🐇
forest edge
dunno about anyone else but on my monitor that hair looks real as hell
dawn prawn
Live cable floating around in ceiling loose with the end covered with a fold of ...
I’ve found a bunch of those under my new house. Will have to put junction boxes on them. Funnily enough, they tried to sell to us with a heap of live wires exposed hanging out of the wall in the fridge cavity in the kitchen. Crazy
finite atlas
Everyone treats me well
i'll throw in some extra snackies!
tidal bronze
Any good tasmota pre-flashed rgbw downlights out there ?
forest edge
tidal bronze
Not those, Recessed 🙂
forest edge
if you are talking about those flat things and not actual cans. i've not seen any of those that can be flashed
well here you go lol https://templates.blakadder.com/light.html
tidal bronze
Looking for actual cans pre-flashed. Want to flash wled on them. Don't have the time to flash. 😆
crisp sapphire
Analog rgb strip controller. Finally had enough of waiting for decently priced premade esp based controllers so i dug up every 8 year old component i had laying about and made that monstrocity.
its so fucking memed its unreal. I didnt find any fets so i used 600V rated IGBT's which wouldnt fully turn on at 3.3V so i had to use another set of BJT's to level shift the signal up to the 12V supply.
Also used a linear-reg for the ESP thinking it'd be fine bcuz it only draws like 1W... but no. The damn thing dissipates over 2W and gets bloody hot.
tidal bronze
these? https://www.athom.tech/blank-1/tasmota-br30-color-bulb
I will give it a few months. Athom might come up with them 🙂
forest edge
Looking for actual cans pre-flashed. Want to flash wled on them. Don't have the ...
want to flash, don't have time to flash.. silly cali forest fires clouded your brain
tidal bronze
Tasmota to wled is 2 clicks. Can handle that nothing more.
forest edge
Tasmota to wled is 2 clicks. Can handle that nothing more.
why don't you have @scenic radish do it, think he did that shit on the side at one point. make him pay for the lights you want, pay for the shipping to you then block him on discord
harsh heath
After about 6 hours, I accept my defeat; and leave my desk without a functioning integration
Curse you HA, and good night
maiden anvil
I'm looking for some place for people to brag about their recent Home Assistant related accomplishments and give me some inspiration for things I don't need but must have. Anyone have a recommendation?
chilly nymph
I'm looking for some place for people to brag about their recent Home Assistant ...
Not an accomplishment but I'm in the device research stage to start my sleep and wakeup routines -- to automate light temperature changes for each, including a slow wake up... In addition to adding aromatherapy with lavender scents to go to sleep and then mint and tea tree to wake up
My wife got a nice oil diffuser for Christmas and has been turning it on to go to sleep and of course I had to say "I bet I could automate that"
maiden anvil
"and that was the last time the wife used the oil diffuser"
That sounds awesome. Automating sleep and wake routines means having a sleep and wake routine. Maybe we will get there one day
I have been playing with lights recently for waking up, as well as using a smart watch with Sleep As Android to wake up when my watch thinks I'm mostly awake anyway. I feel great when it wakes me up, but life has been a bit too unpredictable to use it repeatedly recently
last cedar
eh, the gif ends too soon.
that fricker just walks away from a 10 meter fall
A lot more than 10 meters!
last cedar
i'll throw in some extra snackies!
❤️
verbal moss
How should I approach storing sensor data not as frequently as I get it in HA?
I want to send certain data once a second or even more, but I do not want to store it that frequently in the db. Or at least not more that for a few minutes.
clever mortar
You'd want to ask about that in another channel - see the topic here
#integrations-archived can help with the built in database, and #analytics-archived if you're using InfluxDB
verbal moss
Was not sure which channel.
verbal moss
<#672220541343760384> can help with the built in database, and <#731553405943676...
Oh, I am on influxdb, thanks.
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
All channels have topics - swipe in from the side on mobile
last cedar
How should I approach storing sensor data not as frequently as I get it in HA?
I...
Write it down manually
pale shadow
Starts
verbal moss
https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928
https://community.home-assistant.io/t/do-sensor-update-every-second-but-only-record-every-10/187173 seems like there are only ugly solutions available.
late gate
Frack it. I ordered an electrician to change the doorbell trafo, and asked him to change the bathroom thermostat too
I really should get him to mount an outlet in the entrance too. Its litterally no outlets in my hallway
clear ferry
Lulz
late gate
The small bedrooms got ONE 10A outlet
they didnt think straight in the 90s
I found one on mitt anbud that wanted 1500 for the job including the trafo and documentation
so not too bad
clear ferry
Yeah, I got a new 16a outdoor outlet with fuse installed for 2500 recently
It isn't too bad
late gate
Still annoying I can do the job to the same standard for 300
glacial knot
that's your toy money, right? So roughly one tenth of that number?
late gate
yes, 100NOK about 10USD
So you can puke up, I am going to use a unifi doorbell 😉
atx
glacial knot
🤢
late gate
beats ring and all those doorbells
clear ferry
🤢
late gate
what would you choose then?
Im waiting for the new Pro. It got a nfc and fingerprint reader. Excellent for opening the door without keys
got the non pro I will install now
the pro got two cameras. one front and one down to see packages so not bad doorbells
clear ferry
I do DIY, I have no need for two way communication, nor will I ever use fingerprint or smart locks
clever mortar
Some of the newer smart locks are finally effective locks. I'd still hesitate to use one that had a cloud service, but something local with an integration into HA I might consider... maybe
glacial knot
I want smart locks, but I'll need to spend some more time on which ones are actually good
though I'd probably also go for one that's in the frame, not the door. Which makes things a bit easier
clever mortar
One big challenge here is finding one that fits our style of door. So far I've found one product that's not released yet 
late gate
@clever mortar I have yale v3, but in Norway Verisure got exclusivity so its not possible to buy zwave or zigbee dongles to them, even the slot is there
clear ferry
Even a fully local one probably has some kind of override or defect
Leaves me sceptical
late gate
yale is actually quite secure
late gate
you want a military grade lock, but break a window is easy
late gate
lol
clear ferry
you want a military grade lock, but break a window is easy
Not worried about that, most of my windows are 3m above the ground, and i have internal alarms
dawn prawn
The amount of ‘military grade’ military equipment I used in my military career that shit itself when you really needed it, the term holds no weight to me
Locks a bit different tho. There’s no military grade locks, just government certified security equipment
late gate
All my outside cameras got a 120db siren and really visible flashing red and ble light
that would annoy anyone
clear ferry
We have proper military grade here you see @dawn prawn not that Barbie stuff
clever mortar
Military grade == survives being used by a squaddie
glacial knot
military grade encryption. RSA 1024
clear ferry
What is this, 1024, gimme that sweet 4096
glacial knot
I'm making fun of military grade encryption. RSA4096 is still usable
late gate
Do you dare to use password 123456 on an non exposed server? :p
glacial knot
nah. password1 all day everyday
dawn prawn
We have proper military grade here you see <@143228328428437504> not that Barbi...
Yes your European helicopters have a great track record here.
As well as your European trucks that are oversized and over weight
The helicopters are the worst though. And we didn’t even try to integrate our own crap into them. They’re chucking them in the bin 20 years before end of life and going back to American choppers
dawn prawn
European submarines too, thankfully that got cancelled before the design phase had been completed
umbral cliff
Some of the newer smart locks are _finally_ effective locks. I'd still hesitate ...
Zigbee Lockwood assa abbloy ones here seem good, very reputable company, and local control only
dawn prawn
And a European ship that almost sunk when it was delivered thanks to its crappy compartment seals.
Ah I could go on forever on this #the-water-cooler rant
dawn prawn
Zigbee Lockwood assa abbloy ones here seem good, very reputable company, and loc...
Have you tried them? I need something for my front door. I thought they were obsolete tho
dusky plank
I've read the american choppers aren't the best either when they left the war zone, lots of maintenance
umbral cliff
Have you tried them? I need something for my front door. I thought they were obs...
If you’re in australia the telstra t lock is the same lock except sold on eBay by excess stock companies for $100 or so. Haven’t used it, they seem very sturdy though (and Lockwood seem decent generally)
dusky plank
not to say that europeans are better...
dusky plank
they did so, yes
dawn prawn
I've read the american choppers aren't the best either when they left the war zo...
Anything that rotates around itself has lots of maintenance- it’s why they weren’t really concerned about the blackhawks they left in afghanistan- the maintenance lifecycle behind them is huge
Thousands upon thousands of spinny parts - what could go wrong
clever mortar
I have two words... Jesus nut
dusky plank
lots of comparisons between hummers and the toyota hilux, hummers losing all the way
dawn prawn
My biggest pet peeve of the European helicopters we purchased was the door slid forward in front of the door gunner. So you can’t have a gun manned whilst people are getting on or off or roping
dusky plank
just stop shooting people, how about that?
dawn prawn
lots of comparisons between hummers and the toyota hilux, hummers losing all the...
You can’t beat these tho
dawn prawn
just stop shooting people, how about that?
Hold on, let me get my rose tinted glasses that allow me to see a world full of nice people
dawn prawn
I only see cunts everywhere
You look in the mirror too much fren
clear ferry
You look in the mirror too much fren
You aren't wrong
dawn prawn
https://tenor.com/view/trailer-park-boys-bump-randy-bus-belly-gif-13154395
Randy was one of my favourites on Trailer Park Boys
Cheese burger eatin ma fukka
late gate
omg my recorder is getting several houndred thousands rows pr day. maybe start setting up excludes
problem is lots of sensors report every second
dawn prawn
problem is lots of sensors report every second
Sounds like valuable data to me
dusky plank
just get a perfomant db, write to it all you want all day, it rotates anyway
late gate
I cant have it on ha as it will crash during backup
I tried to put it on my NAS, but it mysql could not handle it and crashed after a day
dusky plank
never experienced crashes because of db 😬 and i run my mysql on a rpi mounted with nfs 😛 which is far from ideal
late gate
strange. I experience crash at 4 am when I ran maria as addon
and figured out it cached 20k entries while doring backup, and thats the treshhold of ha for failing
clear ferry
Lol addon
late gate
I am not sure why synology maria doesnt work
late gate
how many rows pr day?
clear ferry
No idea
late gate
any excludes in setup?
clear ferry
No
clear ferry
late gate
I see no performance issues on my nas so I was a bit baffled
clear ferry
My database was initially on a Debian VM, then on a bsd jail, then in a Debian host container, and now in truenas scale container
All of them mariadb
late gate
I dont see why synology mariadb should be any different. its a native app
clear ferry
Synology 🤢
dusky plank
just run mariadb on any host and mount the root from nas
dusky plank
- /NAS/mysql:/var/lib/mysql```what benefit does that got over using ip?