we still have some wheezy in prod
#the-water-cooler
clear ferry
Lol 2.5
Fucking Murica docsis nonsense
We did 2.5 on our blade servers in 2008
It should have died back then
glacial knot
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fiery sorrel
what goes is blade is usually the start of a tech not it's end
i don't think i'll see consumer infiniband anytime soon tho
glacial knot
our productive "cluster" does 4x1G trunking 😂
fiery sorrel
do you NEED more ?
clear ferry
Lol
fiery sorrel
Atxbyea work for many consumer, mostly big company ... he isn't in the real world XD
i've only see more than 25gb in company that do data computing, other usealy don't need that kind of tech
(that or BIG web company not willing to trust CDN)
(i don't like cdn)
glacial knot
4x1. Not 4x10 D:
clear ferry
I seldom see less than 10g the last 6 years outside of management
fiery sorrel
4x1. Not 4x10 D:
i know i know :D
clear ferry
But even management is now migrating to 10g
fiery sorrel
but for many small~ish company that enough
clear ferry
Guessing I'll roll out more 200g in 2022
fiery sorrel
But even management is now migrating to 10g
management that don't do vm migration or stuff like that ?
clear ferry
Yes
fiery sorrel
my old company use to have 100mb for management
glacial knot
we have a customer that runs 100Mbit/s over glass to work satations
clear ferry
I work with space companies, they usually prefer slower and less power consumption
fiery sorrel
is that a "we are upgrading out main network from 10 to 100, lt's use the old 10 on OOB" kind of thing ?
clear ferry
we have a customer that runs 100Mbit/s over glass to work satations
That is still the norm in most military and NATO installations
fiery sorrel
yea ... those ...
they screamed at us because we crossed fibre optic once between confidential and standard network ... and don't YOU KNOW EM FIELD CAN JUMP FROM ONE TO THE OTHER !!!
I guess they didn't understand what fiber was...
🤦♂️
clear ferry
TEMPEST is pretty cool stuff
Which is why all military moved to optics in the mid 90s
And why they used LCD since the same time
Can view a CRT monitor remotely from 40km away
glacial knot
they screamed at us because we crossed fibre optic once between confidential and...
fiber does leak
but unless it's on a bend and with specialized equipment....
fiery sorrel
i didn't think about crt, but yea those big photon cannon aren't very ... silent
fiery sorrel
fiber does leak
but unless it's on a bend and with specialized equipment....
from one to the other ?
glacial knot
if you manage to set it up badly enough
but not to any degree that's going to be viable to extract
fiery sorrel
i would so love to see this XD i know it's technically possible ... but it would make me laugh so hard XD
don't you worry, we went through a grounded steel tube just to be sure ...
Steel ... not plated, 0 protection what-soever .. but we didn't say anything
glacial knot
I need to check our server room
I'm not sure how much (if atll) fiber we have there
I think we have more in our test room
fiery sorrel
i have to go, it's bday restaurent time :p
glacial knot
don't worry, we can make fun of HP leater
clear ferry
clear ferry
🤢
late gate
whats wrong with it now?
clear ferry
Unsymmetrical
late gate
lol mr ocd
glacial knot
Ugly background and dock
late gate
its default
umbral cliff
I like the background
late gate
I rather switched to dual dog
snow hedge
Home Assistant glow making it abundantly clear my electricity provider is vastly undercharging me lol, they keep giving me estimated bills of like £103.09 a month, but I'm burning that in a week. Gonna be fun when they finally figure that out 😂
proven spruce
they always do estimates until they make a meter readout of actual energy expenditure
snow hedge
In the UK they ask you to submit meter readings, then ignore them and estimate anyway
proven spruce
ah UK, the Florida of Europe
snow hedge
😂 I've got a screenshot somewhere that I can't seem to find, but it shows the readings and it's like:
June: 4000kwh (Estimated)
July: 5000kwh (Estimated)
July: 14,000 kwh (User submitted)
Augest: 6000 kwh (Estimated)
🤷
Found it 😂 It's like they don't want money.
clever mortar
That's not British Gas by any chance?
I'd swear they could give British Telecom a run for their money in terms of their staggering levels of incompetence
fiery sorrel
🤢
What do you think ? outside of the bios upgrade XD
Symmetrical enough ?
done my best with office screen... next time i'll ask for arm :(
umbral cliff
In the UK they ask you to submit meter readings, then ignore them and estimate a...
Surprised they haven’t put you on smart meters
Hell we have a smart water meter now, because the water company got fed up with our gates being closed and unable to read the meter
clear ferry
Whole country was moved to smart meters here in 2018
Don't tell the Americans
They'll want smart feet
fiery sorrel
i am personally fighting to NOT get one :( our "mendatory" one is used to map user beaviours and sell that to advertiser ...
not OK
there is an "opt-out" but not that long ago they were on court for not respecting that
clear ferry
Yeah, that would be illegal here
fiery sorrel
it is ... but you know "legal" and legal
clear ferry
fiery sorrel
(that's also why i'm trying to move to norway :) )
clear ferry
smoky vector
Yeah, we get a lot of push ack on Smart meters because: "FRE3D0M!#-& arglebargle"
clear ferry
fiery sorrel
i don't know which country give more or less freedom to it's people, but american having no privacy and no right to the stuff there own ... feel like a very bad coutry freedom related
umbral cliff
Whole country was moved to smart meters here in 2018
Think we’ve had them since 2016/2017
Data heavily protected too under two laws
snow hedge
That's not British Gas by any chance?
Green energy, they are dead now though
snow hedge
Surprised they haven’t put you on smart meters
I did ask, they added me to a waiting list 😦
clear ferry
vast lily
Does anyone have a suggestion of a device similar to a RPI that would be suitable to run openvpn server on linux that is actually available at a decent price? I dont mind spending like $50 but dont want to get ripped off on shortage prices either. Normally I would buy a RPI or RPI Zero or something similar but they are all out of stock. Thanks
clear ferry
Run the VPN termination on the edge
Aka the router
Then control all firewall rules from there
vast lily
I cant, its a long story but the edge router doesnt have the capability
vast lily
money is part of the long story, or should I say lack of willingness to spend any lol
proven spruce
why not try second hand market
vast lily
well i was hoping there was just a simple solution of some other device easy to buy but if not I can dig through my draws for an old pi 2 or pi 3
i guess low cost computers are the last thing they are worried about producing during a chip shortage
forest edge
even a pi zero can handle openvpn
I ran openvpn on a pi1 for like 2 years with no issues
static schooner
did that slow down your connection when over VPN?
forest edge
obviously, your restricted to the nic speed but still 100mb is plenty
static schooner
I'm thinking about encryption
forest edge
oh no, i had no slowness
vast lily
@forest edge can you believe even pi zero's are impossible to buy
forest edge
anymore. yes lol
vast lily
what are people using for HA builds?
forest edge
anything and everything
proven spruce
scraps
vast lily
i would imagine this situation is not helping HA adoption, most new users want to start with something cheap like a pi 4
fiery sorrel
VM, but i need to get a tiny desktop unit to replace that
fiery sorrel
Servers borrowed from work
nice boss or crappy security
vast lily
i thought my HA NUC was having issues and was shocked at the pricing at the time to get a replacement, glad it ended up being ok
glacial knot
nice boss or crappy security
pretty sure ATX has his servers as part of intended home lab^^
I don't have servers from work, but the machines I got aren't tracked^^
forest edge
atx's server were made in the 70's..
fiery sorrel
wait, company help build a homelab ? why does mine refuse to share anything :(
my gen9 took me so long to pieces together :(
fiery sorrel
i manage to get 2 new rpi 3b+ to replace the zero w i used, but it took me a month to find some
rpi 4 are just not existant...
glacial knot
I have a 4B from work at home 😂
fiery sorrel
pfffff :(
Your work benefit is way different than mine...
i had like 15% off a cooking class subscription
don't like the meaning of that
clear ferry
Depending on what speeds you need to route, any machine from the last decade will probably do what you need @vast lily
glacial knot
oh it's not benefits. We just didn't set up properly when we went home 'cause of covid 😂
clear ferry
pretty sure ATX has his servers as part of intended home lab^^
I could have brought home 12 racks at one point, I settled with one
glacial knot
12 racks? enough space to live in
vast lily
@clear ferry yeah that is plan C if I cant find an old Pi 2 sitting in one of my drawers
clear ferry
What internet speeds are we talking? How many VPN tunnels?
forest edge
1 million atx
inland mauve
where do I ask absolutley Noob questions?
clever mortar
Read the channel topic here, and in the other channels 😉
dull belfry
Anyone happen to track their pets with presence detection? 🤣
Maybe it's a bit over the top but i could do cool stuff
last cedar
I track my little cat by the annoying sounds in the middle of the night
Like 3am zoomies
clear ferry
I track @last cedar by the 5g implant she's had twice
dull belfry
I'm thinking some ZigBee collar 😂
clever mortar
You'd be better off with a BLE beacon and something like https://espresense.com/ or Room Assistant
dull belfry
That's really cool!
last cedar
I track <@300242410338910209> by the 5g implant she's had twice
I have to wait an eternity for my 3rd
And Isreal are already publishing data on the 4th
Like come on Sweden, do you want us all to die
I want more 5G ffs
dull belfry
I track <@300242410338910209> by the 5g implant she's had twice
What? I thought Microsoft controlled the implants
clear ferry
I'm doing my third in 6 days
last cedar
What? I thought Microsoft controlled the implants
That is a conspiracy by 5G providers
dull belfry
😂
last cedar
And the 5G myth is a conspiracy made by Microsoft
dull belfry
But in all seriousness i might implant some tech in my body for convenience
We're all going to die anyway
last cedar
But in all seriousness i might implant some tech in my body for convenience
Only useless bits of metal in my body
clear ferry
I did consider a nfc implant for my 40+ access cards, but there were too many different standards
dull belfry
Standard's change too frequently that's a problem
last cedar
You can go far with a mifare classic 4k tag
But desfire is the new thing, really.
Why is my cat drinking up my tea
From the cup
They have a water bowl that is always fresh and plentiful
And the toilet if they feel like it
clear ferry
Booster vaccine 10th, booster testosterone the 13th
Gonna need to book more injections
Oh I have my blood donor coming up too
last cedar
I am not allowed number 3 until 21st March? Iirc
6 months from 2nd dose
They are SO behind here
last cedar
They would rather exhaust the healthcare system rather than give us restrictions of any meaning ful sort
last cedar
Plus I'm in the risk group
At risk from being attacked by raspis with sd cards
clear ferry
finite atlas
oh you all and your corona virus
just live deep in the woods, away from people and close to foxies and raccoons and you dont have that trouble anymore
forest edge
Booster vaccine 10th, booster testosterone the 13th
working on ditching those man boobies huh?
clear ferry
Actually, yes
forest edge
well that's good. i am sure once it's done the other kids will stop tugging on them during lunch breaks
clear ferry
clear ferry
I did years ago, or actually 55 of them
But no, Sonoma is just trying hillbilly funny
last cedar
clear ferry
That is udder madness
thick dragon
Hey all, not really HA related at all, but hoping the Linux/Python nature of HA means that someone can point me in the right direction. I lead a team of customer insights and marketing analysts. We are definitely not developers. We want to move our analysis/ETL/automations away from our current tool and towards Python. We've got some experience now playing around with Python/Pandas (via JupyterHub) and are wanting to set up a proper dev/prod environment. Our operations team has more experience in Windows (the corporate environment) than Linux, so we're going in a little blind. Where would I go to find out more about what I will need to do to move towards a production-ready environment?
jade tartan
so, you kinda outed yourself
saying this was for professional something or other
let people know what your going to pay for their consulting fee's
then you might get an answer
grizzled atlas
Hi, is it possible to charge a powerbank with this kind of cable constallation?:
usb-a (female) --cable--> aux (male) --port--> [[aux (female) --cable--> aux (male)]] --port--> aux (female) --cable--> usb-a (male)
the [[...]] part is allready permanently installed.
In simply terms can I send voltage over aux?! Can I just connect the ground and the life line with each other? to create a usb-a to aux power cord?
thick dragon
let people know what your going to pay for their consulting fee's
That's just the thing though, I'm happy to pay for services. I just don't know what services we should be seeking, or where to start.
Have tried Python discord, Python reddit, DevOps reddit - no one was able to point me in a direction.
covert ivy
Does anyone know what kind of forum framework (or whatever its called) is HA using?
https://community.home-assistant.io I've seen similar forums many times, what is it made of?
umbral cliff
That's just the thing though, I'm happy to pay for services. I just don't know *...
The thing is the seeking part is where the cost is. It’s where consulting exists and it’s a big business
umbral cliff
Hi, is it possible to charge a powerbank with this kind of cable constallation?:...
Technically yes. Unsure if it’s actually recommended though (depends on the cable itself and current draw)
thick dragon
The thing is the seeking part is where the cost is. It’s where consulting exists...
Yes, I realise that - hence asking what sort of service/consultants I should be seeking.
finite atlas
Does it count?
its your house, so obviously it does
pastel edge
its your house, so obviously it does
Hi, I am having issue where one of my insteon switches is showing up in home assitant. I tried reconnecting insteon but that did not work. If you could help we with this issue that would be great. 🙂
velvet horizonBOT
glacial knot
While we might be able to help, there’s channels for that. And there is #the-water-cooler , which is not one of those
(You probably want to ask in #integrations-archived )
glacial knot
Ahh. I don’t have most channels open by default
/me is a support leech
finite atlas
Hi, I am having issue where one of my insteon switches is showing up in home ass...
cool
pastel edge
They're cross posting everywhere
Sorry about that could you please help me : )
young sigil
I don't appreciate the direct messages either.
pastel edge
I don't appreciate the direct messages either.
I could really use some help do you know how to fix that issue
I have read a lot and nothing has worked
finite atlas
if you werent that annoying, i'm sure someone would have helped you already
pastel edge
if you werent that annoying, i'm sure someone would have helped you already
I didnt know I was being annoying. Sorry but I was just asking for some help
I just joined sorry
finite atlas
¯_(ツ)_/¯
young sigil
I just joined sorry
Ask your question in the appropriate channel and wait patiently. Do not tag people (unless they say you can).
finite atlas
a quality house!
clear ferry
@last cedar
finite atlas
is that your electricity bill?
clear ferry
Yes
clever mortar
clear ferry
you're a very power hungry person
Not really, I use 30% less than average
Used 33191kwh last year
finite atlas
we used 5.000 kWh
finite atlas
with all our floors, we are about equal
but we use gas and electricity
in a poorly isolated house
last cedar
<@300242410338910209>
OH MY GOD
Electric and pellets here
Pellets is great. Until you need to lift them
dusky plank
last cedar
November was under 1000 sek including the fees. 455kW
Of course pellets are used a lot though
clear ferry
finite atlas
xd
last cedar
Hahaha
dawn prawn
<@300242410338910209>
that is some of the most expensive electricity i have ever seen
not some of, just the most...
clear ferry
And that doesn't even include the delivery fees
dawn prawn
fmd, why don't u get solar? 😛
clear ferry
Don't bother
dawn prawn
im sure it would help with your winter electricity bills tho
clear ferry
Probably, or I can just move to the other side of the country
dawn prawn
what difference does that make?
clear ferry
Price
dawn prawn
hydro there?
clear ferry
Hydro in all of the country
Up north they are paying 1/8 of what I'm paying right now
dawn prawn
i thought u were the man
young sigil
ROI on my solar is amazing. I'll pay it off in 6 years and the PV array is guaranteed for 25. We have mainly Hydro but totally mismanaged so are still paying a fortune in interest on the capital investment made 40-50 years ago.
dawn prawn
ROI on my solar is amazing. I'll pay it off in 6 years and the PV array is guara...
yeah I am looking forward to my 8.5kw system going on the roof later this month!
clear ferry
I thought about solar when the power price was 1/100th of what it peaks at now
We currently have peaks at 850øre, when I last looked at solar we had peaks of 8 øre
dawn prawn
whats an ore?
clear ferry
100th of a krone
dawn prawn
ah does the price of energy there go up and down depending on the demand?
last cedar
ROI on my solar is amazing. I'll pay it off in 6 years and the PV array is guara...
Where abouts are you?
last cedar
ah does the price of energy there go up and down depending on the demand?
Yeah, the energy suppliers buy the electric for a price from the energy makers, varies per hour
dawn prawn
yes i am sunburnt at the moment
last cedar
Got it
dawn prawn
so is that 3.33 nok?
late gate
Finally outside christmas lights down. Im done with christmas
And duckt-tape the on-off button for the outside light hoping partner stop shutting it off
clear ferry
Ooof, Sweden has 150/100000 deaths from COVID
We have 24/100000
Thought I saw the number for the us earlier today, think it was 428
forest edge
but you only have 25 pop...
clear ferry
Speak of the devil
glacial knot
is that of population or of infected?
clear ferry
Of total pop
late gate
I got 3 doses of vaccine, using mask and being careful so not too worried
clear ferry
Getting my boost on Monday
forest edge
clear ferry
Have you been filming the streets of Missouri again?
forest edge
news footage coming out of europe
forest edge
our news stations always begin a covid sigment with, "we're watching europe.." because anything and everything bad that happens always happens to you folks across the pond first lol
clear ferry
Yeah, you are finally catching up to Omicron
dawn prawn
Is there a new strain yet?
dawn prawn
Lmao
clear ferry
Yes there is flurona
forest edge
it's a visual virus
late gate
I cant believe I have not started hotkeys in ha yet lol.
clear ferry
umbral cliff
altho that will change as they have only just let it rip here
Well unless you’re WA. In which case they’re not going to bother opening till Covid is exterminated 😂
late gate
@last cedar !!!!!!!! You touched my porch camera again!
last cedar
<@!300242410338910209> !!!!!!!! You touched my porch camera again!
Sorry about that, I just have to wash things
last cedar
Quite a lot of short outages on cameras. Noticed it generally tbh
At work I mean, not sure if it is cables or just lack of robust network or what
late gate
My cameras start to be old. Dahua has been great upgrading them, but I think they start to hit HW limit
I bought new ones (latest gen), but going to wait putting them up when it get a bit warmer
I need at least 5 cameras out
Now everything is 4k and 8k so so probably wont run them higher than 1080p
forest edge
lol 8k cameras
late gate
yeah, gimmick
a good 2.8mm 1080 > 8K with bad optics
But Dahua has always delivered very good optics
An extremely good and flexible ONVIF
This is the ones Im going to run now: https://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/All-Products/Network-Cameras/WizSense-Series/3-Series/Active-Deterrence/IPC-HDW3849H-AS-PV
2.8 and 3.6mm
low harness
Time for Thomas Loven, Washington to have his annual post retina surgery checkup according to the emails that are still sent to me.
static schooner
I get Ronald, Reginald, Rosetta, some others. Rarely a Rob
low harness
Every time I get an email from someone who seems like a real person (like the Crossings Guard christmas bazaar committee) I keep asking them to tell him I can set up theamericanone@thomasloven.com, but I haven't gotten any takers yet.
static schooner
I eventually tracked down a Rosetta on FB when I was able to match up personal details. It was, no surprise, an older woman whose grandkids set stuff up for her
it's quite frustrating when the only thing you have to go on is the email address, which is yours
clear ferry
I have 4 name brothers, one of them at one of my customers, and I got the full name email address while he had to use a less desirable one
I'm only there a dozen times a year
crisp sapphire
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09D6HR559
Man, the US gets all the good stuff
clear ferry
He works there full time
glacial knot
you use full names? I just have my last name
clear ferry
Depends on customers
First.lastname
Lastname.first
Firlas
Lasfir
Firslast
Lastfirs
Fila
Lafi
lastname
Firstname
Abcdef12345
Are the normal ones I see
glacial knot
we regularly have scripts that break on the one person with last.first@ 😄
low harness
That last one reminds me of my first email address. u45511013@telia.se
glacial knot
u are just a number
low harness
The state phone company Telia were still in the mindset that this internet thing is a fad, so let's just do something about it and we can soon get back to bussiness as usual.
glacial knot
also, why are there so many nordics in here? you are like 50% of this channels users
low harness
Thäts the truth.
glacial knot
ahh, telekom brothers
clear ferry
Whæt dø jå mæn
low harness
When I got that email address I had to order it from my dads (u45511010@telia.se) and got the login credentials by snailmail three days later.
clear ferry
low harness
When I tried to change the random password that took another three days for a new random one to appear.
That's when I discovered hotmail.
static schooner
gt0449a here (I think)
low harness
Actually, no. I had my hotmail address before that one.
Can't remember my ICQ uin, though...
glacial knot
MSN messenger
late gate
My brother has stolen my CAT6 cable from the garage or Michelle again?
light trout
also, why are there so many nordics in here? you are like 50% of this channels u...
We don’t have anything better to do 🤷♂️
forest edge
which of you poor suckers live in Virginia and spent the last 20+ hours stuck on the highway? lol
clear ferry
last cedar
My brother has stolen my CAT6 cable from the garage or Michelle again?
Sorry
Copper prices are better than doormats right now
dusky plank
i got ip blocked on some social network, i can still use a proxy to access the page but how can i make opnsense redirect the domain for the whole lan?
dusky plank
clear ferry
Static routes?
dusky plank
static routes for domains? such thing exists?
brisk glen
And the ugliest doorbell design award goes to…
forest edge
I dunno i think those tall ones where there is like 6 inches of deadspace between the button and the camera look worse than something that just stands off the wall further
clear ferry
Pretty sure you can with a host alias @dusky plank
low harness
Ugh. Vscode has suddenly started going all Microsofty "Hey! You should use those extensions for editing this file. Try it out!"
clear ferry
Vscodium 
potent dagger
Oh the Zigbee
Do you know how to tell if someone has home assistant?
They will tell you:
Home assistant
Home assistant
clear ferry
potent dagger
I watch Paul Hibbert say to much
clever mortar
Don't worry, not all YouTube presenters do so high...
potent dagger
🤣
clear ferry
YouTubers 🤢
potent dagger
I don't use home assistant! I'm just into smart home and watch Paul Hibbert
And my mom won't let me smartify our home
clever mortar
Watch DrZzs, or DigiBlur instead
potent dagger
I would if i had devices that work with home assistant
potent dagger
Watch DrZzs, or DigiBlur instead
They good?
clever mortar
They don't pander to the 30 second attention span generation
So, you'll actually learn stuff
last cedar
I don't use home assistant! I'm just into smart home and watch Paul Hibbert
And ...
Time to get a new mum /s
tame sand
Vscodium <a:goaFeelsLoveMan:551064797089890334>
The remote extensions are really nice though.
clear ferry
No you
forest edge
almost started a youtube channel once
didn't want to deal with all the work involved with editing footage etc
low harness
Vscodium <a:goaFeelsLoveMan:551064797089890334>
I heard about that for the first time yesterday. Based entirely on the name I'm guessing it's not for me since I rely heavily on some of the official extensions that are normally not included in things like code-server.
low harness
The remote extensions are really nice though.
Namely those, yes.
low harness
Code-server is kind of awesome, though. Hands down the best ssh client for ipad I've ever used.
clear ferry
low harness
Also that keyboard cover they made. Makes the thing actually useful.
But no devcontainer support 😦
steel reef
Hi everyone. First time here. Nice to meet you all.
forest edge
quick run away before it's too late!
static schooner
it's the drool that makes the video 🙂
clear ferry
static schooner
Webcam of Michelle watching raccoon videos
static schooner
Time for Thomas Loven, Washington to have his annual post retina surgery checku...
Speaking of that:
Thank you for considering Dr. Opoku Plastic Surgery!! Please complete the form and submit before your consultation.
no thank you
forest edge
<a:PU_PeepoLeaveExit:855157057887535164>
forest edge
Speaking of that:
> Thank you for considering Dr. Opoku Plastic Surgery!! Plea...
you gonna pass on that discounted penis extension?
clever mortar
Speaking of that:
> Thank you for considering Dr. Opoku Plastic Surgery!! Plea...
You're missing the opportunity to have some fun with that...
static schooner
The rest of the email was non-specific and I chose not to see exactly what was in the document. I could be missing out
clever mortar
Some poor unsuspecting soul could be missing out on you signing them up for something
clear ferry
final cedar
Hello everyone. Just joined. I want to automate my farm. I have some dev experience (python, javascript, linux user mostly) Anyone have a suggestion where to get started?
clear ferry
Install home assistant
forest edge
gotta be careful with alec baldwin memes.. he could be a murderer now
final cedar
@clear ferry ok. im going to install it on a at home server tonight.
clever mortar
Head over to the list of #integrations-archived and see if there's one that works for you in your country
static schooner
we know that you just want to automate your grow lights
final cedar
@static schooner i wish. Im in texas. That wont fly here. lol
clear ferry
forest edge
you can still grow it there for medical use
final cedar
I wanted to monitor my well pressure, front gate camera/intercom. Security cameras around the property. Stuff like that.
forest edge
I believe
clear ferry
All that will be easy
With object detection
Add motion and door sensors for more fun
And lora for long distance stuff
final cedar
Well, I do have a distance problem to solve first. My gate is about 1200 ft from my home.
Any suggestions on getting connectivity there?
forest edge
wifi extender
clear ferry
LoRA
forest edge
not with cameras
clear ferry
No
At that range wireless bridge with directional antenna might be the best option, unless you can do three points of Ethernet out there
clear ferry
Not necessarily, yet I would still do it
final cedar
I'll look around for an extender.
last cedar
1200ft is carrier pidgeon territory
clear ferry
With or without QoS ?
clever mortar
Ubnt and Mikrotik both do kit for that kind of thing
forest edge
do you have power anywhere near the gate?
last cedar
Reading stuff like that makes me happy I only have 1500m2
Don't have to worry about running cables 400 meters
clever mortar
LoRA is, for sensors, ideal for this kind of thing. Ain't gonna cut it for cameras though
forest edge
if he dosen't have power then dealing with running power or even messing with battery cameras is a waste
sim card trail cams would be a cheaper route
and can be used as a "sensor"
clever mortar
And if there's not currently power, but will be, running some trunking for wired networking (even if fibre) would be a good plan
clear ferry
Oh
If there is any kind of power at the gate
You could do a 12/24/120v Poe switch there
And just do fiber from main location to gate
Isn't really a well versed problem here since most people don't have more than 3000m2 properties, and then the house would be smack in the middle
forest edge
by fiber they mean cat5/6
clear ferry
No we don't
forest edge
fiber would be retarded expensive
clear ferry
Om3/om4/om5
Cables are relatively cheap
Transceivers can be had for next to nothing
forest edge
don't really call 200+ cheap
clear ferry
Single mode can do 10-40km easily, but om4 can do 400m
clever mortar
Well, if you're outside what you can reliably do with copper, optical fibre is the way to go
forest edge
can get a few thousand feet of cat5e for under 70 bucks
clear ferry
Even do 10g over 400m so probably 1g over 1km
forest edge
it's plenty for a few cameras
forest edge
this is lets accomplish the goal without over spending
lol fiber to a gate
wtf lol
clear ferry
If you want reliable
clear ferry
Show me some fluke readings
scenic radish
can get a few thousand feet of cat5e for under 70 bucks
I'd like to know where, because with today's prices I haven't seen anything close to that
Even with CCA 🤢
forest edge
amazon
scenic radish
Nope
clear ferry
🔗
scenic radish
1000 ft CCA 🤢 is 65-80USD on 'zon
scenic radish
So...a few thousand feet of cat5e is not under 70 USD then 
clear ferry
I've done cat5e for 150 meters, at 10Mbit reliable
forest edge
use to be
forest edge
not my fault prices went up
clever mortar
scenic radish
I wish it was that cheap because I want to buy another 500 ft but there's no way I'm doing that with current prices
clear ferry
Specs of cat5e say 100m which is reasonable, you can push it though
But 365m
Yeah
No
forest edge
pretty sure you can still pick it up for cheaper maybe just not through amazon
forest edge
but it dosen't drop so low that it's unusable
clear ferry
20 years of networking experience
Some sod in the Missouri wilderness
forest edge
my bedroom line is every bit of 300+ from my utility closet and it works just fine
and thats 5 not 5e
so yea.. maybe you should actually work with the stuff and not just read the directions lol
scenic radish
300 feet or meters
forest edge
I don't use north korean measurements
forest edge
and?
scenic radish
300ft is within spec; 1200 is not
forest edge
5e can handle it
we're talking a few cameras and maybe a sensor
he's not going to run plex to the gate
green inlet
sitting here watching this silliness
forest edge
it really is
jade tartan
im here
i felt summoned
we run cat6 in our schools and it drops from gig, to 100 after like 320ft
we just ran a 360ft to a hudl camera
clear ferry
Sorry, had to take a shower to wash off all of Sonoma's BIG CABLE conspiracy theories
jade tartan
for the gym
forest edge
Sorry, had to take a shower to wash off all of Sonoma's BIG CABLE conspiracy the...
did you use fiber soap?
green inlet
ain’t no sunshine when she’s gone. Isn’t not warm when she’s away.
clear ferry
Yes, multimode shampoo
jade tartan
we have a single mode ring to all the schools, and multi mode in most of the closet trunks
clear ferry
The price difference the last 10 years for mm vs sm is so low most just do full on sm on prem
Easier upgrade paths
jade tartan
thank fuck all of our external cabling and fiber is done by contractors
green inlet
it really is
Once again, you were the silliness.
jade tartan
we havent had to run fiber yet but im not looking forward to breaking the strands when we accidently pull just a little too hard
ive never had to pull fiber actually
the hudl camera was, from an IDF, through library drop ceiling, through a conduit over the locker room, all the way up the wall across top of gym
forest edge
Once again, you were the silliness.
how about you go fuck yourself
clear ferry
Pulling fiber is fun @jade tartan I did with a vacuum and a sock back in 2005
Took 25 minutes
green inlet
how about you go fuck yourself
🤣
clear ferry
But it came out the other end
jade tartan
we have this FUCKING HUGE bottle of "pull lube"
clear ferry
clear ferry
Thankfully most stuff I do these days are mostly 10-30 racks over
Lots of rolling out cable
jade tartan
so like, we have these 6 lines right now, run from a basement MDF through the basement of the school like easily 300 ft
these lines are deff gona be down to 100
also the ammount of school under the schools is fucking insane
like 30ft ceilings in a basement
jade tartan
the stuff were hooking up doesnt need gig thankfully
it's a smart board
and a ip phone
and the pa system
iirc
clear ferry
I'm glad I got out of schools
So damn underfunded
That said, in 2007 when I quit, most schools had one desktop and one laptop per pupil
And they got pads pretty quickly after they became readily available
jade tartan
oh, seeeeeee
i think our district is overfunded
there is 5 high schools iirc?
and like
many more other ones
clear ferry
We were 55 primary and secondary schools
jade tartan
and like we work out of the warehouse for our desks
and the shit i see them buying
makerbots, laptops and ipads out the fucking ass
clear ferry
Plus we did work for kindergartens too
jade tartan
we have so many extra AXIS cameras you could crush yourself
clear ferry
I've worked in oil for too long though, those consultants are $2000 per hour, and when four of them work on a project and storage goes down, it costs money
jade tartan
i wana use this job to eventually pad my resume and go for a better one in several years
but my boss is gona retire in 3 years
and i think he gets bannnk
fuck off scammer bot
clear ferry
I've told my managers for years I'm not interested in moving up
I'll move diagonally
forest edge
farthest post I found was cat6 at 700ft without a repeater. noone talks about 5e anymore lol
smoky vector
I don't want to manage people
It's not twitch so twitch bad twitch convulse
clear ferry
forest edge
coax would probably work
forest edge
was refering to the adapters.. is that the same?
clear ferry
I have no idea what "the adapters" is
jade tartan
i mean, doesnt cat7a exsist?
and doesnt it have individually shielded pairs?
cause i bet that would go a bit farther
jade tartan
true enough, you know why? because fuck trying to run wires from 1 mdf in a basement of a school
fucking 800ft pulls or some stupid shit
jade tartan
yeah they just built out the schools so theres a closet basicly within 300 ft of anywhere
all decent cisco rack stuff, just in the process of switching to aruba for WAP
forest edge
coax adapters are a little pricey but one thing stated like 2k meters which dosen't sound right
back to wifi being the cheapest route
jade tartan
depends on the coax
jade tartan
rg11 can go like 1000 ft if you really want it too depending on the amps on each end
forest edge
at 80 bucks for a single adpater i would hope it could reach some range
jade tartan
nice! i havent gotten admin rights on that yet
im still under a month in
got the cisco router and switch admin tho
and access to security cameras
jade tartan
word
we have like an insane ammount of waps
like
i wana say i saw like 2394 or something on the screen
jade tartan
yeah so were going through taking out cisco WAP's and putting in the aruba
clear ferry
Single site
jade tartan
oh word
ours is like w/e the 30 something schools buildings
spread out all over the city
minor nexus
anyone here have an Nvidia SHIELD that has experienced oversaturation/tearing issues? Sometime in the last week it seems like the blues are getting oversaturated to the point where there are distinct lines on the display. I was not able to replicate this on my TV elsewhere which is why I think it's the SHIELD
jade tartan
cant wait to get the van so i dont have to keep using my gas
jade tartan
anyone here have an Nvidia SHIELD that has experienced oversaturation/tearing is...
swap ports?
and cords
it is NOT uncommon to have an hdmi port shit the bed
clear ferry
jade tartan
i loved arrested development, only before netflix bought it tho
minor nexus
hmm good idea
clear ferry
I bet you @tidal bronze will know, he has 27.3 Nvidia shield @minor nexus
minor nexus
what happened to the other .7? will it blend experiment?
jade tartan
also RIP jessica walters
jade tartan
send me a shield, lol
minor nexus
ah, of course
clear ferry
jade tartan
do not look at my pc, it doesnt count
minor nexus
ok now to find a spare HDMI cable
minor nexus
that feels like more work. Our media center is a mess
oh actually I do have easy access to one
jade tartan
word
forest edge
I bet you <@331255319365812224> will know, he has 27.3 Nvidia shield <@490222347...
don't mention his name.. wtf is wrong with you.. we'll be reading music chat all night
minor nexus
nope, changed both cable and port, same deal
minor nexus
good idea though
forest edge
just found 1k roll of cat5e for 30 bucks
jade tartan
for what tho?
minor nexus
only have the one TV but maybe I can try our computer monitor when my wife is done using it
forest edge
just looking stuff up
forest edge
I watched a video where a dude was talking about those super expensive testers and comparing them to the 30 buck shit you can get at the hardware store
in the end he called them overpriced shit
jade tartan
you can get an ethernet tester for $30 at the hardware store?
forest edge
yea I have one, was like 20 bucks I think when i got it
jade tartan
does it tell you which vlan and switch port?
jade tartan
i mean just a cable tester or mapper is cheap
i have those myself
but this thing is like the end all be all of ethernet testers
forest edge
i am sure, it's got a screen
you can't get that in a hardware store.. although they do have an app ran one that will do some of that more advanced shit
jade tartan
so im waiting for them to say we get to go to a local store, will be xmas
lol
as tech's we will get a bunch more tools after the 90 days
and like ill get one of those flukes probably
forest edge
so they treat you guys like plumbers now?
jade tartan
im in a union if thats what you mean
forest edge
talking about after x amount of days you get free run at local stores for gear lol
jade tartan
well i dont own it
clear ferry
I watched a video where a dude was talking about those super expensive testers a...
Sounds like something someone who's never used a fluke or moved out of their mom's house would say for sure 
forest edge
oh well plumbers get to keep what they buy lol
jade tartan
i mean, if i bought it i could keep it
forest edge
Sounds like something someone who's never used a fluke or moved out of their mom...
you'd know about the never leaving mom's house part
jade tartan
they will pay for a certain ammount of schooling also so imma take some cisco classes for free
forest edge
tech jobs in the US changed so much and continue to change from the bits I hear about
clear ferry
you'd know about the never leaving mom's house part
Don't worry, I moved out at 16 and bought a house at 24
forest edge
lol 24
static schooner
'Built an igloo'
jade tartan
i'd kill someone for some land right now
i want my own land more then basicly anything
clear ferry
According to the current price estimate it is a $550k mudhut
jade tartan
people spend wayyyy to much on fucking housing
forest edge
which is low end here
clear ferry
I only paid $250k for it though @jade tartan
forest edge
my farm house which is falling apart was appraised at 600k 10 years ago lol
static schooner
I'm not sure you can buy a house in San Diego for that
jade tartan
yeah im talking paying like less then 100k total for atleast 40 acres
forest edge
well not 10 years.. closer to 20 years
static schooner
Would be a good down payment
jade tartan
and i want taxes to be less then 2500 a year
forest edge
depends where you look, you can get that easily
but you won't have power or internet etc
clear ferry
I pay $2000 a year in taxes and renovation services
static schooner
Or in BFE
clear ferry
I live 2 minutes from work, that includes making coffee
forest edge
I hate end of year i really do
jade tartan
i mean 100k gets me the land, the used modular home, and all the utilities
i would be running the power septic and well all myself
forest edge
not for 40 acres
jade tartan
you have no idea appearently basement boi
forest edge
not sure what the rate per acre is here now but was like 2700 several years ago
course noone ever sells it that low
which is always funny
i take that back, the school system here did get a nice plot for the going rate
jade tartan
cause let me tell you good sir, there is a plot near me for like 50k for 30 acres, and i can find a used modular for less then 20k, and power would be like less then 20k
clear ferry
forest edge
what would you do with 30 acres?
I have over 200 and all I can think of to do with it is to rent out for cattle lol
maybe soybeans or something
I would lease it for growing cannabis but the way the laws are now it's makes me feel uneasy
static schooner
<imagines the Narcos: Mexico mega field in the desert>
'Well, if you hadn't built a field that you can see from space...'
forest edge
rent for cannabis farm would be so nice
would easily be like 2-3k an acre a year if not more
young sigil
Where abouts are you?
Tasmania
static schooner
I didn't realize that Tasmania was a state of Australia. I thought it was a separate country
forest edge
I wonder what happens when the day comes that noone buys dvd's anymore
static schooner
whatever happens way down there is a mystery to us topside folks
green inlet
Australia is on my bucket list
orchid rose
Wait, are you an Aussie Rob?
green inlet
The airplane ride is crazy hours though I think
static schooner
nope, I'm one of those folks for whom everything south of the equator is a mystery
orchid rose
Oh right just wasn't sure what you meant by topside here
green inlet
Toilets south of the equator flush opposite of toilets here 😉
forest edge
I hate how amazon pricing works sometimes
you look at something and it costs one thing. close the page and come back 10 minutes later and the price has raised caused you looked at it 10 min ago
soft lance
Use it for price tracking. It can also send you notifications when the product has a price cut
forest edge
amazon itself can send you notifications of price changes on items
150 price diffrence sounds like a diffrent model swap not a price increase
was looking at the predator's cause they had one on sale for around 300 or something and it turned out to be a model down which was only listed on thier website and was missing some of the key features I even wanted
jade tartan
m32q
forest edge
yea I was looking between the acer predator and nitro but after looking up the exact model number on thier site I realized it was the gutted version of the xb I had previously looked at
jade tartan
i personally dislike acer even though so many people like them
3 in a row with dead pixels
so i havent touched them since
forest edge
yea I saw that, kind of luck of the draw
but a 240hz panel at 300 bucks
was like 28" or something
was almost as if they made the model they had on sale for BF was made just for sales
cause I couldn't find that model anywhere else
jade tartan
i need to find an active DP to dvi adapter
so i can run my current monitor at 144hz
it old
scenic radish
I can never go back to any monitor with a lower PPI
jade tartan
send me some
scenic radish
Some PPIs? No, get your own
jade tartan
PFFFT
forest edge
3840x2160 on a 24"? jesus your app bar must be tiny
scenic radish
I run it at 150% scaling
forest edge
....
jade tartan
lol
i wanted that 32 in
it was a 1440p
i dont really wana do 4k because gpu's really still are not at my FPS whore level of desire
scenic radish
Oh yeah, I don't game on PC. I just wanted higher res displays for work
forest edge
for work? better be a graphic designer
jade tartan
why BETTER he?
forest edge
cause higher res for terminal windows is...
jade tartan
what about just like spread sheets?
forest edge
lol
jade tartan
or filling out documents
scenic radish
what about just like spread sheets?
Bingo
jade tartan
omg, im sorry
forest edge
still rocking my dell 23 1080
scenic radish
Nah, I like it. My job is very client-facing too which I enjoy
forest edge
I need an updated monitor for better color
scenic radish
Most of the time
forest edge
I can see a diffrence between my phone and my monitor with web graphics etc
and thats not good
jade tartan
i am in a monitor discord just to find a good one
forest edge
monitor was fine for back when i got it back around 2006 or whatever but these days it's way off
just watched a video on how the working from home movement is playing it's part in our unemployment issues
although if I could get paid x amount then move someplace where cost of living is much lower.. I would probably do it too lol
orchid rose
It's interesting that it took a pandemic to notify people and companies of the existence of the Internet outside of Facebook and Twitter
You can order stuff online these days? Even food? And work from home too? Surprised Pikachu
forest edge
well it's hurting the more common labor type jobs
someone who would normally apply for like a retail or fast food etc etc ends up taking a work at home job
orchid rose
Well of course, but what I don't get why it took so long for people to take these alternatives seriously
forest edge
I don't think buisness really offered it as an option
I mean sure some where and have
orchid rose
By people I mean businesses also
forest edge
but there was a lot that still required people to go into an office
but those are being work from home option now
jade tartan
well it's hurting the more common labor type jobs
i think you meant to say thinning the job pool thus making the ammount offered more
orchid rose
None of this stuff is new. Most of it was available 20 years ago
forest edge
stuff like the crypto boom and the stock market thing also played it's role
people getting insta rich left and right
although thats very low %
jade tartan
for every person getting rich, there are 10 getting poor
crypto is kinda BS because you cant keep your value unless you have electricity
orchid rose
more likely a 100 getting a bit poorer
jade tartan
and the stock market is the riches way of stealing from the working class so meh
orchid rose
Stock market is quite useful. Taxation can be an issue, but that's way too political to dive into
jade tartan
oh word? where do you think the stock price going up comes from?
the efforts of the workers
orchid rose
Stock speculation isn't particularly useful but the market itself is. It allows regular people to invest in companies that they otherwise might not know about And with clear rules in place, it allows them to compare those businesses
jade tartan
yeah no
they should invest in themselves
not a company who's just using that as an excuse to not give every workers full health care and benefits and sich
the workers create value, the value makes the stock prices go up, the rich whom own the most stock sell it off and take the value for themselves
to be clear, im saying dont own stock, go buy some gold, go start a small business, so many things you can do for yourself
fuck buy land as much as i hate saying that
because i wana find some cheap someday
orchid rose
That investment allows the company the funding to grow and it's not by any means risk free. Corporate ethics are an issue as is the income/wealth disparity, but that's not really an underlying issue of the stock market imo
jade tartan
no i dont really think that the stock market is anything like a root cause of poverty or anything like that, i just truely hate corporate america and it's constant fucking of everyone at any cost with no care for the consequences
and the stock market is firmly the 1%'s play thing imo, can it be a tool that helps others, sure, a friend made a bunch off just common sense trades, but i still fucking hate it and want it to fail
which everyone says means i want america to fail
orchid rose
My point is that it's not an inherent problem of the stock market but rather the lackluster oversight. Not everyone plays by the same rules. It can be fixed without dismantling the whole thing and it has its roots in some actually solid foundations
jade tartan
i mean sure, like i said it's not like the stock market is the issue, it's the people behind it that have ingrained themselves in every loop hole grey area they can to fuck over everyone else
but i do not think you could do anything about it, wasnt always rotten, but sometimes you just gotta plant a new tree
maybe find the next big thing, which crypto was trying to be but dont make it based on electricity running 24/7
orchid rose
Crypto is a meme. It's like any commodity that we trade and just decide it has some value. Like gold, silver, money or NTFs. At the end of the day when people lose their trust it'll turn into Turkish Lira
jade tartan
LOL
you know what isnt a meme?
buying a still
people always gona drink
also grow all the weed
orchid rose
Also housing because apparently that never goes down : kappa:
jade tartan
you say that, but if i get to a point where i truely cant buy land, IMMA TAKE IT
orchid rose
I was going to make a joke about why buy land when you can buy a NFT of it, but apparently it's a real fucking thing
man...
jade tartan
thats depressing
umbral cliff
Also housing because apparently that never goes down : kappa:
I like how the last decade has been “housing bubble burst” but it’s just gone up
orchid rose
I was promised it ever since 2010 or something. After the previous bubble had burst. I'm still patiently waiting
tidal bronze
Waiting is not a good idea
jade tartan
yeah lucky for me i have cheap taste, 100k will get me like 20 acres and a modular home on a pad, im good
dawn prawn
For @last cedar
strange crag
buying a still
They might always drink, but most of the time the pub burns down at least once in its lifetime, so you will have to factor that into your calculations - ie insurance will be high! 😉
glacial knot
ah ,yes. pr0gramm.ru
young sigil
https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2022/01/05/3bd4fa9fc38e0848.mp4
That's not automation. That's just a fancy remote control.
clear ferry
cause higher res for terminal windows is...
It is lovely, I run 2x 4k monitors mostly exclusively with terminal windows, at 100% scaling
static schooner
My opinion in college was that the primary value of a GUI (X11, in that case) was to fit more terminal windows on the screen
glacial knot
terminal windows sounds like a boomer disease
static schooner
<- Not a boomer
glacial knot
X11 isn't windows 🙂
and now the primary use case of GUI is 🦝 pictures. Sometimes cats
static schooner
Ah, how far we've come
glacial knot
I usually use exactly 2 kinds of software
browser, terminal
clear ferry
That said, a 4k screen with tmux and multiple tabs, oh boy
static schooner
And when you run out of monitors, make some virtual desktops
clear ferry
I have to be honest, I've used Linux for 23 years, I've never used virtual desktops
It was there by default in gnome2 I remember
glacial knot
:0
static schooner
I always had them, but rarely used them
clear ferry
And in cde
glacial knot
I've been using tiled window manager for quite a while now. it's just a bookmark for different layouts
clear ferry
I've never had the use, since I've had 2-5 physical monitors at all times since 1997
static schooner
I don't on MacOS either, other than for full screen apps
clear ferry
Went from 2 in 97 to 3 in 2000 to 5 in 2005 and back to 3 in 2011 and up to 4 in 2020
I don't miss the weight of those 24" CRT Sony trinitons
45kg each
glacial knot
did you place them on your belly for your work? Or why did you care about the weight?
clear ferry
I went to LAN parties at the time
Or heck.. I was the network admin for four different lan parties
glacial knot
Sounds like a pain in the back
clear ferry
I had a Audi 100 Avant quattro at the time
Just got room for the three monitors and my maxi tower in the back
glacial knot
no switches?