the-water-cooler

[green inlet]

How?

[orchid rose]

Buy it from a different company

[green inlet]

🤣

Pretty sure only one

[orchid rose]

Sounds communist

[umbral cliff]

Surely companies have plans or bonuses though

[green inlet]

When you move, you find out who provides electricity to your residence, call them, tell them to turn it on

Wouldn’t having multiple electric options require the infrastructure from each provider?

[umbral cliff]

Here we have a distribution company and then many other private companies which you buy the power through

One company can provide infrastructure. Hell a government can do that (and I wish we still did that)

[green inlet]

Ha….so a middleman that can charge whatever they want?

[umbral cliff]

Capped under gov legislation

There’s a market offer set by the state government, you cannot go above that

[green inlet]

Well, we go straight to the source

[orchid rose]

The grid is often owned by the city etc here. They can increase the prices though without competition so they are somewhat more tightly regulated

The electricity you can buy from one of the many producers or even companies that just buy it off the market and sell it at a premium without actually producing any themselves

[scenic radish]

Nope. If I wanted to, I could buy the electricity supply from a different company, but ComEd (our electric utility company) would still deliver the power.

[green inlet]

Right, so competition but they are always goi g to be higher than the actual producer?

[green inlet]

I have never looked into it but…..I have never heard of that.

Why wouldn’t you go straight to the source

Anyone else is going to be making money off you

[brisk glen]

See Houston Texas electric grid

[green inlet]

For their service

[brisk glen]

Services buy power from the power plants

They sell you plans

[orchid rose]

Well yes, on average a company will make profit. You just negotiate it as low as possible buy bidding with different companies. Sometimes it doesn't go too well for them, like now when I pay 1/10th of what they are paying for it

[brisk glen]

In that plan you also pay the infrastructure fee which is owned by another company

We have the most capitalistic energy grid and it fails every winter, summer

[green inlet]

So Houston Texas is not the norm

For the states

[brisk glen]

Nope

We are not even connected to the federal grid

[umbral cliff]

That’s so whack

[green inlet]

Well….it’s Texas

🤣

They are to republican what California is to democrat

[brisk glen]

Texas tomorrow could be like fuck it, I’m going to be my own country tomorrow and be ok

[umbral cliff]

Still… surely connecting to a national grid would be far more important than trying to go solo

[umbral cliff]

Even different countries share grids. Just because they’re split doesn’t mean they can’t share a grid

[brisk glen]

They are not connected to the national grid due to regulatory issues

[green inlet]

Won’t ever happen though

[brisk glen]

The federal grid is too democratic for Texas

[green inlet]

Everything is too democratic for Texas 🤣

[brisk glen]

Being apart of the federal grid means they have to comply with some standards

[umbral cliff]

I wish we would go back to state owned infrastructure for power, water, and gas. Would make much more sense (in australia)

[brisk glen]

It is disgusting that we are the energy state and yet, our power fails

[green inlet]

Standards that would prob give you electricity in the winter though

[brisk glen]

Aye

[green inlet]

I hardly ever lose power

Maybe a flash during a bad storm

[clear ferry]

Make Texas Cold Again

[brisk glen]

Oh look your power plants are frozen? Buy electric from nearby states, keep the lights on

[umbral cliff]

I still can’t believe first world countries can have huge power outages lasting more than a day that’s widespread

[brisk glen]

Then they jackup the price per KW to absurd prices just to incentivize power plants to turn on

[umbral cliff]

Maybe a few days for specific areas but even then that’s pushing it

[green inlet]

I mean….if the infrastructure goes down

[umbral cliff]

The infrastructure shouldn’t go down

[green inlet]

And the electric company needs to make repairs

[brisk glen]

The days of getting usually dirt cheap electricity is dead since griddy is dead from lawsuits even tho people were warned

And in their contracts

[green inlet]

The wire that delivers my electricity is hit by a tree?

Can’t help that

[umbral cliff]

If you’re prone to trees going down then they should be underground

[brisk glen]

That wire should have been buried

[green inlet]

Or the transformer blows?

[umbral cliff]

Have a spare ready to go within 1-2 days

[brisk glen]

How about it blowing 3 times in 2 months?

That happened…

[umbral cliff]

Then sure a freak incident could allow for a week of downtime at the most

[brisk glen]

Power was touch and go for a few months here…

[green inlet]

Also, wide spread outages are usually caused by weather. You need a physical person to come make the repair. They are often so busy it is just the time it takes for them to get bodies out to make the repair

[brisk glen]

Best part is when oh no, our gass pipes froze at our power plant

[green inlet]

We have both underground and overheard infrastructure. Just depends where you live

[clear ferry]

We get power outages when we have 3 meters of snow

[brisk glen]

Stop 🛑 you are using your A/C too much, set it to 26C to lower the load

🖕 center point

I want my 23C

Yes an American on the metric system

[umbral cliff]

What’s wrong with you 😛

[brisk glen]

I joined the rest of the world lol

[umbral cliff]

Sensible

[green inlet]

Freedom Units 🎊 🎈 🎉

[umbral cliff]

My parents finally got aircon at our home this year, so happy with the ducted system which actually cools the house now

[brisk glen]

Plus it’s great that people stop asking me the weather temperature

Ohh you have a fancy smart watch, what’s the temperature outside?…. 18

Proceed to see confused faces

Or more like confused screaming

And because imperial confuses my wife, so I had to set everything in Metric

[finite atlas]

good wife

how much do you like the metric system tho?

[clear ferry]

Metric 4 lyfe

@scenic radish loves it too

[scenic radish]

I mean, I wish the US used metric

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/akemii-metric-system-gif-13661213

[brisk glen]

I can’t go back to imperial @finite atlas

[finite atlas]

do you like it that much, or are you just so used to it by now?

[midnight adder]

change of topic 😦
newby with a stupid Q : how do I embed a JSON fragment in a forum's msg/reply, adding files only allows pics , copy/paste the JSON makes funny formatting

HA forum that is..

[clever mortar]

Using code markup

[midnight adder]

?, do u have and tag samples to put around ? other than manually translating the whole thing into HTML ?

[velvet horizon]

To format your text as code, enter three backticks on the first line, press Enter for a new line, paste your code, press Enter again for another new line, and lastly three more backticks. Here's an example

Don't forget you can edit your post rather than repeatedly posting the same thing.

For over 15 lines you must use a code share site such as https://www.codepile.net/ (pick YAML for the language) or https://paste.debian.net/ (pick YAML for the language).

Command '~format' was invoked by: RobC

[static schooner]

not HTML

the same markdown applies pretty much everywhere

[midnight adder]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-bow-michael-scott-steve-carell-office-gif-12985913

[lost yarrow]

Does anybody use such a device in a car to log data?
The demo looks pretty damn cool i must say.

https://www.csselectronics.com/products/can-bus-data-logger-wifi-canedge2

[forest edge]

dear god no. the metric system sucks for some applications

[scenic radish]

Does it though?

[forest edge]

as nice as it would be to have to only buy one set of sockets/wrenches tho

[orchid rose]

Just out of interest, what does metric suck so much for?

[clever mortar]

Measuring things dimensioned in inches?

Nope, works for that 🤔

[forest edge]

sucks for construction and for measuring anything bigger than a package lol

[clever mortar]

Doesn't suck for construction over here 😉

[tame sand]

why would it suck for construction? 🤔

[forest edge]

well of course not, you grew up with it

[scenic radish]

🤣

[clever mortar]

I grew up with both

[forest edge]

cm and meters are not very optimized for general construction

[clever mortar]

Imperial is a PITA

[tame sand]

I totally get that the transition would suck.

[tame sand]

decimeters is used quite often for stuff like that aswell

[clever mortar]

I think somebody has confused the USA with the entire world

[forest edge]

are you saying you don't use cm and m?

[clever mortar]

I'm saying most of the world does

[tame sand]

mm / cm / dm / m

[clever mortar]

Construction in the UK, and Europe, and beyond, uses metric

[forest edge]

right

[scenic radish]

Nah, metric is a myth

Like happy people

[forest edge]

cm and m here sucks, our whole system is based around inches and feet

[clever mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDcJiamY9N8

[tame sand]

I totally get it though that switching to metric must be a pain.

[clever mortar]

See, that's a you problem, not a metric problem

[scenic radish]

I'm very curious about the explanation for this: #the-water-cooler message

[clever mortar]

I dunno, I've found it relatively simple - if you can do multiplication then it's not hard. If you can't then there's lookup tables/calculators

[tame sand]

I mean like with stuff like 4 by 8 bricks/wood stuff or a tape measure

[clever mortar]

Tape measures here have both

[forest edge]

would you really wanna work with fraction numbers on everything?

[clever mortar]

They're called decimals

[orchid rose]

like 1/8 inches?

[scenic radish]

Yeah I'm not really seeing the issue 🤣

Sure, using metric might be a pain in the US

Where metric is used? I'd say not

[forest edge]

well no cause everything is designed for that system

[scenic radish]

Dude

[orchid rose]

in the US

[clever mortar]

Somebody's out huffing glue again

[static schooner]

What does one call a 2x4?

[orchid rose]

a two-by-four

[clever mortar]

I prefer a clue-by-four - and one seems to be needed here 😛

[forest edge]

me and tediore are IN the US, I was addressing his statement about the US using metric now

[scenic radish]

Yeah, but you just said very generally that metric is bad for construction

[tame sand]

he's right though. If your system isn't based on metric , the conversion/transition sucks. Once you have metric its better.

[scenic radish]

You didn't specifically say "in the US"

[forest edge]

in the us, it isn't optimized

[scenic radish]

So what?

[forest edge]

so what? what?

[clever mortar]

So, that clearly means metric sucks everywhere

[forest edge]

it sucks

[scenic radish]

It's dumb we (meaning the US) haven't always used metric like 90%+ of the world

[forest edge]

that's so what lol

[clever mortar]

Get with the programme 😉

[forest edge]

it's not dumb, imperial stuck around for a reason

if the US wanted to switch back to metric only we could have

[tame sand]

because changing it costs money and people want it to "stay as is"

[clever mortar]

[forest edge]

nah, back then it wasn't a money issue lol

[orchid rose]

It was proposed multiple times afaik. US just is big enough alone to hold on to a subpar system

[clever mortar]

Also known as inertia - easier to keep doing the old thing than a new thing

[forest edge]

we're not the only ones who use it

japan has a lot of imperial

[orchid rose]

We all have parts of both, but (statista)

[scenic radish]

Yeah, and like 95% of the world uses metric 🤣

[clever mortar]

Emperors don't count...

Even the UK is really metric - it's just that for some things, like drinks, we like imperial

[scenic radish]

Btw this all started because you made a blanket statement that metric sucks instead of saying it sucks in the US

[forest edge]

imagine that

[clever mortar]

Of course, you buy it as the metric measure...

[forest edge]

and i'll say it again, metric sucks

|| @scenic radish psss.. metric sucks dude.. get over it ||

[scenic radish]

It really doesn't though

But now I feel the need to share this

[forest edge]

i mean if you like measuring small things then I guess you need it

[tame sand]

and large things lol 🤔

[clever mortar]

Works well for really large things too

[tame sand]

so basically everything

[clever mortar]

At least until you hit AU

[scenic radish]

Right, I forgot imperial can't be used to measure small things 🤣

[orchid rose]

Makes them sound smaller which hits Sonoma's ego 😏

[forest edge]

our hands are too big for metric

[scenic radish]

Well this has been very enlightening, but lunch break is over

[clever mortar]

I need more 🍺 to enable me to make sense of this

Or possibly glue

[forest edge]

just imagine sammy hagars song "I can't drive 88.5!"

[tame sand]

Out of curiosity: Have you ever seriously tried using metric? Like converting units to 3D and stuff?

[forest edge]

you always use metric when messing with computer stuff and eletronics

as i said.. small stuff

[scenic radish]

I'm still confused why you think it can't be used for large things

[forest edge]

it's not as nice

[scenic radish]

how

[clever mortar]

Drugs

[forest edge]

inches and feet are just easier to work with

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/james-spader-desperate-help-the-blacklist-you-need-help-gif-12305438

[scenic radish]

How are cm and meters difficult to work with

[forest edge]

well till you built a house from the foundation up then you won't fully understand

[orchid rose]

keilograms are pretty hard to understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cPeZLCVWTw

[scenic radish]

Would metric still suck if we've always used it instead of imperial?

[forest edge]

of course not, everything would be designed for metric around us

but it's not designed for metric around us

is it tediore?

[scenic radish]

No, but that still doesn't mean metric sucks lol

[orchid rose]

I actually built a foundation for a cottage just this year. First time. Used a laser thingy to get it horizontal to 1mm accuracy. Didn't feel any need for imperial units

[tame sand]

just thought about bigger units then km. What would follow ? megameter?

[scenic radish]

I'd say we suck for not just using metric in the first place

[forest edge]

it does if you try using it with stuff that is designed for imprial

as i said.. some applications

[orchid rose]

the wood is 90mm iirc

[low harness]

Having lived and breathed metric my entire life, I must say an inch is a pretty convenient length.

[forest edge]

I prefer impreial for construction even if we had used metric before

following housing code would be harder using cm and m

[scenic radish]

I have a feeling you'd say imperial sucks if we used metric

[orchid rose]

Could you say why Thomas? I've never gotten that

[forest edge]

i can read inches and feet from a distance off a tape measure

[low harness]

I can't. It just seems to me that a lot of stuff is "about an inch"

[forest edge]

see

[scenic radish]

Case closed bois. Imperial wins

[forest edge]

Tediore, you must have been swapped as a baby.. your brother is in EU.. you need to find him

[low harness]

If I had to pick one it's definitely metric.

But the inch is... fine

[tame sand]

the inch yes. Everything else is trash imop

[clear ferry]

I actually know a good use for imperial

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-smiling-walking-cool-guys-gif-14586751

[clear ferry]

Great for getting worn down metric bolts off

[low harness]

I absolutely cannot wrap my head around imperial weights, though.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/nothingtosee-disperse-casual-explosion-gif-4545906

[forest edge]

we use metric ton or tonne or whatever

[tame sand]

How would you convert volumes to imperial actually?

like litres or gallons?

[static schooner]

Then there’s stone

[orchid rose]

google probably

[clever mortar]

Don't forget firken, or hoggshead...

[low harness]

My university mechanics textbook was written by an American, but we used the "metric version". They specified the weight of a car in Gg - gigagrams.

[clever mortar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_brewery_cask_units

And, of course https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_wine_cask_units is different

[orchid rose]

once you reach giga it does become rather unintuitive imo. Megameters are still fine

[low harness]

Metric mile, 10 km is a good distance.

You can drive a bunch of those in a day without getting into three digits immediately.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/sassy-inch-all-it-takes-brad-mondo-hair-gif-17744253

[forest edge]

gigagrams holy hell lmao

[orchid rose]

2 204 622.6218 pounds is clearly better

[clear ferry]

Pounds are clearly better, makes obesity sounds bigger

Hence better

[forest edge]

i like lbs over kg actually

[orchid rose]

So with weight 1kg = 2.2 pounds, imperial is better, but with height 1" = 2.54cm, imperial is better. Is there any chance you might be biased here?

[forest edge]

lol measuring a person's height and measuring stuff inside a home is two of the most mentioned things that people find imprial better for over metric when I google searched a bit ago

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/officer-doofy-doofy-gilmore-scary-movie-gif-12729950

[forest edge]

I would dread measuring anything in your home atx

[orchid rose]

Worst of which would be the electricity consumption. It's probably in the giga watt hours

[clear ferry]

60cm between each bearing wall feature

Pretty easy

[forest edge]

whats a bearing wall feature?

[clear ferry]

Wall studs I guess you call them

[forest edge]

ah

yea some homes here are 24 on centers but most still use 16" on centers

[low harness]

No wait... that's a gearing wall feature...

[forest edge]

lol

[orchid rose]

Now which looks nicer, 60 or 24? What about 40 or 16?

[forest edge]

always easier using lower numbers

[orchid rose]

is it though?

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

yes

numbers "add" up quick

[clear ferry]

Round numbers > arbitrary murica numbers

Like awg is a fucking atrocity

[orchid rose]

Round numbers are very nice indeed. They are easy to add up, no matter how quick they add up

[forest edge]

wire guage is confusing sometimes lol

[low harness]

The one good thing about foot - divisibility. 10 sucks as a base for day to day use.

[forest edge]

but it's really only confusing when you get to small wire

[orchid rose]

6x60? Easy. 6x24? no so much

[orchid rose]

I've heard this argument a lot of times before. I just don't get it. Can you give me a good example?

[low harness]

10 splits into 2 and 5 and that's it... 12 into 2, 3, 4 and 6. That's twice as good.

Now minutes! 60! There's some pure factorization porn.

[orchid rose]

10 also splits to 10, which 12 doesn't

[forest edge]

so what

[orchid rose]

nothing in particular

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cringe-math-dies-from-math-death-gif-22822700

[forest edge]

electroboom did a video comparing uk sockets and plugs to us ones.. it was kind of interesting. liked how many plugs had thier own fuse built in, wasn't a fan of the small gauged wire tho

I had thought the socket plate had fuses in it with the switch, but I guess that's not a fused switch at all

[clear ferry]

UK sockets are horrible

Almost as horrible at us ones

[forest edge]

isn

isn't that what you use

[clear ferry]

No

[orchid rose]

Imagine it being that simple. We use "EU" ones

[low harness]

UK plugs are pretty much only used in UK.

[clear ferry]

The well traveled murican shows off

[low harness]

Schutzkontakt FTW

[clever mortar]

And Hong Kong, and Singapore, and ...

[low harness]

Yes

[forest edge]

the uk plug has some nice saftey features

[orchid rose]

pointless safety features

[forest edge]

I don't care for it's size but I guess the size is inescapable with what they packed into it

[low harness]

Re: the wire gauge, btw. The higher voltage means you get the same power with less current, so you can get away with it. Still; larger wires are almost always better.

[orchid rose]

People shit on the US plugs for being dangerous, but in reality how many people are dumb enough to die because of that design?

[clear ferry]

My biggest issue with American plugs is they feel flimsy, like it is gonna fall out if you sneeze

[forest edge]

lol hate to say it but many people get hurt from plugs not pushed in all the way

[clear ferry]

Whereas the EU plugs are so tight you have to rip them out

[forest edge]

the uk plug kind of solves that issue

[orchid rose]

maybe I underestimate the stupidity of people

[forest edge]

it's not just americans mr k

[low harness]

I've never seen anyone overestimate the stupidity of people.

[forest edge]

au and eu both have thier numbers lol

[orchid rose]

If the numbers are equal then it's not really a design issue but rather a stupidity issue

[clear ferry]

I do like the French variation of the plug though

Where the prong for ground goes into the plug

[orchid rose]

You can get hurt by electricity for sure, but only if you don't know what you're doing

[low harness]

The Danish ones are nice too. Look so happy.

[forest edge]

well the common issue is the plug not being pushed all the way in or eventually working it's way out and something falling onto the two prong making a bridge

if every uk cord had a fuse then that fuse would pop before anything could happen and before any dmg could occure anywhere down the line

[orchid rose]

That should be less of an issue with the "EU" type of plug but I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes

[forest edge]

which makes those pretty nice

not to mention by default on the uk plug the ground is always on top

which makes something falling and bridging near impossible

[orchid rose]

It's a decent design from a safety standpoint, but it's just fat and fugly

[clear ferry]

It is impossible to use grounded appliances with an ungrounded outlet in the EU without physically modifying the plug

[forest edge]

it is fat and bulky

it's only downside is it's size

[clear ferry]

Which afaik is possible with the US plugs

[low harness]

Opposite, atx

[clear ferry]

Eeeh

Yes

[forest edge]

wait what

you refering to the adapters?

that allow a 3 prong plug fit a two prong outlet?

those were made because our socket boxes are grounded themselves and those were made to make that 3rd connection by touching that center screw

[clear ferry]

A two prong plug can fit in a three prong us outlet, right?

[forest edge]

well older homes.. now and days everything is 3 prong and plastic socket boxes

[forest edge]

yes

[low harness]

That's not true for EU sockets, except for a special type which has a higher insulation class.

[forest edge]

there is no harm in allowing a two prong to fit into a 3 prong outlet

nothing here that is two prong is high current to begin with

[low harness]

The thinking is that some old devices with no protective earth connection can actually get a live casing. That's "ok" in massive quotes IFF you can't touch it and something grounded at the same time.

[forest edge]

the old metal toaster

thankfully much of those kind of situations have phased out lol

[low harness]

Sockets where there's earth available (kitchens and bathrooms e.g.) always have grounded outlets, and therefore you cannot plug a such device in close enough that you can touch it and the sink at the same time.

Is the idea. It's not ideal, but it's better than nothing.

[forest edge]

that was another difference between UK and US.. UK gfci's the entier home as we just mainly do individual outlets

pro's and cons with both sides of that

[low harness]

yep

[forest edge]

one the whole house goes dark, the other some plugs aren't gfci protected

[low harness]

It sucks trying to find what's causing a ground fault in the dark. I know.

[forest edge]

lol

[royal anvil]

I'm on core-2021.3.3 and want to get up to date.. How screwed am I? LOL

Mainly worried about my zwave stuff because I know its legacy.

posted here because I am mostly joking... not really looking for support

[forest edge]

I don't think upgrading from that far back is as dangerous as it use to be, even going back as far as into 2020 etc.. yes there will be changes to stuff, some removed even but all fixable after upgrading

well the removed stuff isn't fixable unless there is a hacs alternative lol

[royal anvil]

yeh. I imagine the migration to the latest zwave is better now than it was when I first looked into it

[orchid rose]

As always - backup. Then figure it out

[royal anvil]

about to snapshot and give it a go

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[regal briar]

what would you put into a guest arrived script ? some nice lighting, backroundmusic playing, maybe a nice wallpaper on the tv anything else ?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/up-look-up-above-point-up-gif-8086794

@last cedar

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-chicka-wow-bowchickawow-gif-6118336

[pale shadow]

👋

😊

[crisp sapphire]

https://youtu.be/-rsEs4HWXeY

Man i forgot this existed

[orchid rose]

That's very 90's. Reasonable to forget it

except for the music...

[pale shadow]

Yowsa

Thats an.... interesting choice

[jade tartan]

i want a new phone

[pale shadow]

I want a holdings company

[jade tartan]

dont we all

[pale shadow]

I thought we were just sharing our most important wants

[jade tartan]

na i was wondering on peoples opinions

budget is maxxx 500

[pale shadow]

Samsung A52 5G

[jade tartan]

MEH

[pale shadow]

Oi, dont ask for opinions then cast away like that

You wante dit

What phone do you want

[jade tartan]

no idea, i guess the note 10+ to be more open, in that samsung is notioriously locked down

[pale shadow]

I went from S10+ to Note20 Ultra, was not a fan of the 10s

My buddy has a Note10+ for work, he also hates it

[jade tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[pale shadow]

Startup is sluggish
Screen design seems like a test for the 20 series
Camera is good but lacks features

[jade tartan]

who turns their phone off
but what are the faults in that?
cant you just load a different camera app?

[pale shadow]

I think the better question for you is

What are you looking for in a phone

[jade tartan]

phablet, thats open as possible, with lots of I/O

[pale shadow]

lots of io?

its a phone

[jade tartan]

the redmi note 11 pro still has an IR and fm radio

xiaomi is the only one really with an IR blaster still

[pale shadow]

Do you have anything that would use IR

[jade tartan]

....tv's in bar's

duh

[pale shadow]

I doubt you'd use it for TV, its more effort than a remote

yup

[jade tartan]

i mean i dont NEED ir

im just saying that phone had it

[pale shadow]

do you need fm

[jade tartan]

i mean technicly i dont need a new phone at all

[pale shadow]

perfect

no new phone

c:

[jade tartan]

BUT I WANT ONE 😉

[pale shadow]

i know how you feel lmfao

I bought 3 rack servers

Just because i wanted them

lmfao

[jade tartan]

i did too! cept just one

[pale shadow]

what did u get

[jade tartan]

r710

[pale shadow]

Ayyy

I got 2 of those

[jade tartan]

ngl the note 10 + checks alot of boxes

it also has s depth camera

for doing shitty 3d scanns

that i can do with my kinect

[pale shadow]

The worst part of a note

is the pen

[jade tartan]

REALLY?

[pale shadow]

mhm

[jade tartan]

well shit fuck that then

lol

[pale shadow]

You use it loads for no reason when you get it

then its just like, this is more effort than its worth

i use predictive text on my phone so i type faster than i note

its only purpose for me, is i have no paper and need to draw a very small diagram for someone

[jade tartan]

fuck, idk what to look into

[pale shadow]

Samsung A52 5G

[jade tartan]

...

[pale shadow]

i can also offer an apple

not to be confused with the company

Kinda wish we had some Veeam Integration with HA.

But then again Veeam One to emails is fine

[umbral cliff]

Same as australia, every circuit breaker is a GFCI (or as we call it, RCD) even lights, oven, etc

[strange crag]

too bad you remembered it - it was better off being forgotten!

[pale shadow]

lmfao, in a matter of minutes, i've gone from buying a fire tablet 7, to an 8, to an 8 plus, to a 10, to 10 plus to nothing at all.

all because i want a tablet for home assistant

give me a 7 with usb c and more ram and i'll be happy

[last cedar]

Last month I used 287kr worth of electric.

455kWh

I guess they just want us all to die

[clear ferry]

Current estimates are 6000NOK

[crisp sapphire]

Nah bro its pure gold

[crisp sapphire]

What on earth are you doing over there? Grow op & mining rig all in one?

[clear ferry]

455 isn't much for a month

I pull 3-4500 in winter

[forest edge]

well that's because your mudhut isn't insulated at all lol

[clear ferry]

laughs in double layer windows since the 80s and triple since the 90s

Meanwhile in American electrical

[strange crag]

is that the old DC stuff?

[clear ferry]

No

[forest edge]

Don't pretend there are no houses around that continent that have something similar still, or should i say worse.

[clear ferry]

In Romania, sure

Or war torn Serbia ruins

[umbral cliff]

UK too

[glacial knot]

Or some barn shack

[umbral cliff]

But that’s the UK

They’re…. Special

[glacial knot]

You aren’t even EU :’D

[umbral cliff]

I’m not UK but I’ll excuse you this time for calling an Aussie British 😛

[clear ferry]

They are Eurovision at least @glacial knot

[glacial knot]

That’s just Austria

[clear ferry]

No

[umbral cliff]

Australia is in Eurovision

Somehow

[clear ferry]

You've been for five years or something now

[dusky plank]

due to great partnership in broadcast something something...

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-tales-capitalism-scrooge-thats-capitalism-gif-16461232

[umbral cliff]

I can’t wait for the year that we win it. Then you guys would have to come here (given it’s hosted in the winning country of the year precious right?)

[clear ferry]

I think there is a clause there

That you don't

[glacial knot]

win

[umbral cliff]

Damn

[clear ferry]

[umbral cliff]

We deserve to drag the entire EU to australia

Would be funny

[clear ferry]

It is a penal colony after all, so it would be fitting

[umbral cliff]

A penal colony made rich by gold then coal, gas, and iron ore

[pale shadow]

Long live the british empire!

tbc British Commonwealth

[dusky plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9DCAFUerzs

[upbeat comet]

Who needs a smart fridge when u got a smart house

[bitter pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463855762767347734/922668399455260692/Snaptik_7030925881845533957_fatherracc.mp4 @last cedar

[umbral cliff]

What a janky speaker and usb setup

[upbeat comet]

I havent finished it yet, i still gotta caulk up around the speaker so it doesnt look like shit

[brisk glen]

Did you paint it yourself?

I think you didn’t discover painters tape yet

[upbeat comet]

Previous owners were just retarded

[umbral cliff]

Previous owners work for the speaker?

[upbeat comet]

Look at this

Random dry wall anchors

They had a security system or something here before

Didnt bother to fix it before selling

[umbral cliff]

You got shit in the speakers itself though. That’s where paint would be useful

[umbral cliff]

Not surprised. If they can sell it without taking the effort they would

[clear ferry]

Lol dry walls

[upbeat comet]

Thats the drywall, it got in the speaker while i was mounting shit

[umbral cliff]

Drywall = plaster right?

[scenic radish]

no

[umbral cliff]

Painters tape or vacuum

[umbral cliff]

Oh what’s the difference

[upbeat comet]

Whats a vacuum?

[scenic radish]

drywall is gypsum board

[brisk glen]

Hell, even a decent hair dryer to remove that

[upbeat comet]

Yall bitches goin hard for no reason got damn 😭

[scenic radish]

OP: posts photo
Everyone else: shits over everything surrounding it

[upbeat comet]

FR

[clear ferry]

I haven't seen drywall in quite few years, it was popular in the mid 90s renovation, but very rare here

[umbral cliff]

That sums up this discord quite well

[scenic radish]

😂

[upbeat comet]

Its a major feature of american homes

[umbral cliff]

Especially when atx is involved and it contains a pi or a conbee

[scenic radish]

someone: i like this
someone else: fuck you

[clear ferry]

[brisk glen]

When a child can do a better paint job etc

[umbral cliff]

Ah interesting. I used drywall screws when putting something in plaster. Probably was a generic screw for that sort of not wood or brick item

[umbral cliff]

Is that actually you in that emoji

[clear ferry]

Yes

[umbral cliff]

Shiny head

[clear ferry]

[umbral cliff]

(I’m sorry I couldn’t resist)

[upbeat comet]

Yall be wildin fr

[umbral cliff]

How did you wire the other side of it up?

[clear ferry]

Tediore is the yin to my Yang

[umbral cliff]

Like what does the speaker do. I presume usb is for charging?

[scenic radish]

speakers usually play audio

[clear ferry]

Chin to my wang

[upbeat comet]

Speaker is for the pi, for raspicasting music. Usb is for keyboard access to the pi if i dont feel like using OSK

[clear ferry]

Pis usually don't feel like much

[umbral cliff]

Isn’t there 2 USB ports?

And does the screen directly run from the pi then?

[umbral cliff]

Oh nice!

[brisk glen]

I just can’t get over how bad that speaker looks

[umbral cliff]

Wait so what do the two usbs do? Or is that both for the pi

[upbeat comet]

Theyre both directly linked into the pi.

[brisk glen]

My wife would tell me to rip it out of the wall

[clear ferry]

At least its power grid doesn't collapse in winter @brisk glen

[upbeat comet]

Bro i aint said this was the final product wtf

[scenic radish]

this isn't even my final form

[brisk glen]

But this is a product

[upbeat comet]

Imma walk into the bakery and take egg batter and complain it dont taste like a res velvet cake with cream cheese icing

[pale shadow]

Surprised you didnt just get a recessed junction box

Unless you want the screen dead flat???

[scenic radish]

jeebus

remind me to never share anything here

[pale shadow]

Never!

[umbral cliff]

We can still give you shit even if you don’t share anything

[scenic radish]

😂

[upbeat comet]

I do things on the cheap. If i can make it look decent without having to buy something im going to

[pale shadow]

Fair enough

[upbeat comet]

I already had all this stuff laying around the house so i said fuck it

[pale shadow]

I was about to buy a fire tablet and just throw it on the wall

[upbeat comet]

Amazon products 🤢

[pale shadow]

Its only for browser HA

[umbral cliff]

I do recommend some tape to protect it. Especially when you paint

[brisk glen]

Look decent, it would look decent if the speaker didn’t look like a crack head was doing lines on it

[pale shadow]

Not gonna put anything good on the wall lol

[upbeat comet]

I run everything open source so a fire tablet would never set foot in my home, even my phone runs FOSS, im using Calyx

[pale shadow]

I think you're pushing it xD

[upbeat comet]

Ive about had enough of your goofy ass

[umbral cliff]

You can hack the fire tablet afaik too

[pale shadow]

You can

Fire toolbox

[brisk glen]

Aye

Makes a good cheap wall tablet

[upbeat comet]

I also just hate amazon. I only use ebay cuz amazons business practices give me a seizure

[pale shadow]

🤔

[brisk glen]

eBay… PayPal….

[pale shadow]

wat

[umbral cliff]

Yeah that’s fair. Though used tablets exist too

[pale shadow]

It sounds like you enjoy making everything more difficult and time consuming

[clear ferry]

Amazon lol

[upbeat comet]

Tru, i was actually going to use one i had lying around, but shit was running android 4.0, and i couldnt get a browser running

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/risa-bezos-speedball-gif-19767173

[umbral cliff]

Bezos looks like atx

[upbeat comet]

I enjoy practicing my principals of ethical worker treatment and privacy focused electronics

[clear ferry]

You aren't wrong, difference is I'm a proper dick, he just doesn't care about people @umbral cliff

[umbral cliff]

Fair point

[upbeat comet]

I actually was hoping HA had a matrix channel, but all i saw was the discord 😒

[pale shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-laugh-laughing-you-serious-jk-simmons-gif-6107729

[brisk glen]

Matrix… oh man

[umbral cliff]

Discord is still more popular than matrix. Reaches more people in the end

[upbeat comet]

I know, thats why i have one

[clear ferry]

Matrix, wtf

[brisk glen]

I think irc is more popular than matrix

[pale shadow]

IRC master race

I only use irc for elite dangerous lol

[umbral cliff]

There’s people on my uni comp sci discord who exclusively use IRC because they don’t want to use anything modern

[clear ferry]

I started on IRC in 1996, but I did BBS chat groups before that

[pale shadow]

memories

[upbeat comet]

Yall old asf

[clear ferry]

I logged off IRC last in... 2016 probably

[brisk glen]

… this year

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I'm pushing 40 soon, better slow down

[pale shadow]

Fucking hell

[brisk glen]

After freenode imploded, it was time

[umbral cliff]

You started on IRC before I was born 😂

[pale shadow]

Now i feel like a baby

[upbeat comet]

Same here

[pale shadow]

Im only fucking 21

[clear ferry]

I started on BBS' before 96% of this discord was born, and 101% of #330990055533576204 users @umbral cliff

[upbeat comet]

Im 19, yall old

[pale shadow]

You got your own house at 19?

[umbral cliff]

Hey finally someone here im older than lol

[upbeat comet]

Hell nah i live with my grandma

[umbral cliff]

You doing stuff to your parents house? Or your own?

[pale shadow]

Aha

[umbral cliff]

She like the smart home stuff you do then?

[clear ferry]

I bought my own house at 24, that'll be good enough

[umbral cliff]

My grandma struggles with the Apple TV I gave her 😂

[pale shadow]

I was like fucking hell I'll quit being a network engineer and do what you're doing.

[clear ferry]

Just branch out, network engineer is 1/16th of my job @pale shadow

[upbeat comet]

She enjoys it because she doesnt have to get up and move around to get the lights, shes 75

[pale shadow]

I work helpdesk for an enterprise, so im comfortable.

[upbeat comet]

LMAO i wish i was making enough money to buy my own house. Ive got barely enough for community college

[pale shadow]

Oh Americans

Didnt think yall were awake yet

[upbeat comet]

Yeah america sucks

[clear ferry]

Just live in a country where college is free

[umbral cliff]

I found the best way to ‘own’ a house in this market is get your parents to buy a place and rent off them lol

[brisk glen]

Welcome to our dystopian future

[upbeat comet]

Tru

[clear ferry]

Ooof help desk, pass

[umbral cliff]

Or at the very least an interest free loan and very cheap prices

[pale shadow]

Nah it's all about inheritance

Play the long game

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[scenic radish]

It's 08:12 US/Central homie

[umbral cliff]

I don’t wanna live with them for that long 😂

[upbeat comet]

Or be retarded enough to play the wall street bets game and get lucky

[pale shadow]

You heard of regicide

[upbeat comet]

I dont wanna live that long

[clear ferry]

I moved out when I was 16, renting and housing since

Now I earn 3x what my mother does

[pale shadow]

I earn 18,500 ;-;

[brisk glen]

Back when the market didn’t require 2 people to work a job to afford an apartment

[umbral cliff]

That’s early

[clear ferry]

Is that rupies @pale shadow

[pale shadow]

Its Imperial coins

[clear ferry]

Pounds you say

[pale shadow]

Yes lmao

[upbeat comet]

https://tenor.com/view/morshu-zelda-you-will-buy-from-me-gif-16437133

[clear ferry]

I beat you by 90 then @pale shadow

[pale shadow]

Give me a year and i'll jump up 10

[umbral cliff]

I gotta love graduate jobs. Starting at 68,000 a year (before tax and super though). Nice starting salary to live on

[pale shadow]

The fuck you gettin these numbers from

[umbral cliff]

Aussie dollary doos

[brisk glen]

Back in my day

[pale shadow]

ahhhhh

[upbeat comet]

Australia

Thats where funny dank pods man lives

[clear ferry]

Oh, 203k AUD then @umbral cliff

[pale shadow]

One of us One of us One of us

[umbral cliff]

Yeah well you’ve been working for a lot longer than me

[pale shadow]

Become an associate network engineer

and we will relate to you

c:

[clear ferry]

I've been working for 28 years

[brisk glen]

Naa, he just knows which balls to tickle to move up

[umbral cliff]

Longer than I’ve been alive

[pale shadow]

All of them

[clear ferry]

Good thing four managers above me are female @brisk glen

Just trying not to be randomly held at gunpoint

[pale shadow]

How do you earn triple figures and have managers abvoe you

and not directors

[clear ferry]

I'm just a grunt @pale shadow

[pale shadow]

the fuck you do

[clear ferry]

With 32h work week and home office

[pale shadow]

How much do the managers earn?!

[clear ferry]

Less than me

[brisk glen]

Clearly not live in the USA

[pale shadow]

🤔

What do they manage

[clear ferry]

Managers usually don't earn more than workers outside of dystopias

[pale shadow]

let me learn the ways of the wise

[pale shadow]

wat

Managers earn more because they're meant to be able to pick up slack and take over your role at any second??

and manage, duh

[brisk glen]

Yah, sure… get out of that retail mindset

[upbeat comet]

Hierarchies and classes are for betas fr fr

[pale shadow]

My manager does this ;-;

[upbeat comet]

Sigmas only see everyone on a team as equal

[pale shadow]

There can be no equality in work

Simon are you good. You've been typing for about 20 minutes

[raven ice]

Hi all, first time here, not sure I get discord, so let me know if I'm doing this wrong!

I'm trying to attach a UPS directly (USB cable) to a PC running HAOS. I've been reading on "The Network UPS Tools (NUT)" but that seems to need a server.

Then I managed to install through the terminal, apcupsd "apk add apcupds" then start it and check it's running with apcaccess. But this thing seems to stop automatically, so integrating this in HAOS must follow some rules?

I must be missing some little things! Any pointers will be appreciated.

[upbeat comet]

I think you should probably be in one of the support channels

[upbeat comet]

Beta male mindset

[pale shadow]

If you consider workers as equals there will never be progression. It will always be you get what there is.

[upbeat comet]

American propaganda mindset

[umbral cliff]

I’m excited to start work next year. Finally out of uni

[upbeat comet]

The entire open source community disproves your theory

[pale shadow]

But I'm British

You can't apply that to every industry

[clear ferry]

None of my managers, and heck none of my colleagues can do what I do

[raven ice]

Right! I saw some discussion around this topic here, so I tried, I will move now.

[upbeat comet]

Theres no reasom not to

[upbeat comet]

Were mostly just bullshitting around here, i use Yunohost for my HA installation so unfortunately i cant help you. i would if i could tho

[umbral cliff]

Do you even know what you do 😂

[pale shadow]

I feel like you should work under a director

[clear ferry]

Country and EU directors ask me for help if that counts @pale shadow

[pale shadow]

Imagine telling your manager what you're doing and they just be like: I didn't catch any of that but do it anyways

[pale shadow]

:0 sames

I get to tell MDs no :)

I only can't say no to the head board

[upbeat comet]

My boy atxbyea working a hella based job fr, sounds like worker equality is valued

[pale shadow]

Dafuq u on about

[upbeat comet]

Im speaking gen z slang to confuse people

[pale shadow]

Innit fam

[upbeat comet]

Hell yea

[pale shadow]

Da ting go on da ting ye an you bwap the fella

Innit

You get me ye

[finite atlas]

they earn more, because they kissed more butts

[upbeat comet]

Based reply

[upbeat comet]

We gon commit a devious lick 😈

[pale shadow]

I think I'm too Conservative

[clear ferry]

Workers are worth more than managers yes

[upbeat comet]

Comservative

[pale shadow]

Comeservative port 4

[upbeat comet]

Me when convestive:
🤮

Me when liberal:
😋 😋 😋

[pale shadow]

Me when convulsive: 🤢

🥜

[upbeat comet]

This channel should be renamed shitposting

[pale shadow]

It needs that professional ring

[upbeat comet]

Fecal posting

[pale shadow]

Ah yes

An intellectual is among us

[upbeat comet]

AMOGUS?

[clear ferry]

And people say I bring this channel down

[upbeat comet]

https://tenor.com/view/amog-us-among-us-among-us-imposter-imposter-meme-gif-22497337

[pale shadow]

This can only mean war

[scenic radish]

Do you guys like Wendy's?

[pale shadow]

Whats a wendys

[scenic radish]

When deez nuts hit you in the face?

[upbeat comet]

Im gonna kill ur 2nd born /j

[pale shadow]

This is why we can't have nice things

[upbeat comet]

I need to put the tone indicator there as a legal defense

So the judge knows i was joking

[clear ferry]

That sounds like murica talk

[pale shadow]

Defence! Huh! 10 32 4!

[upbeat comet]

We love america

[finite atlas]

who?

[upbeat comet]

Joe

[clear ferry]

Everyone

[pale shadow]

JO BIDEM

[finite atlas]

joe whos mama?

[upbeat comet]

LIGMA BALLS

[pale shadow]

OHHHHHHH

[finite atlas]

i dont ):

[clear ferry]

[finite atlas]

sure, whats your adress?

[upbeat comet]

This channel has quickly deformed into r/okbuddyretard

[clear ferry]

Good portion of self insight

[pale shadow]

This is your doing

[upbeat comet]

291 Andisite Ct. Spotsylvania County, 31401

[finite atlas]

alright, give me 100 years

[upbeat comet]

Yeah i seem to have that affect on people

[upbeat comet]

Cool see you then

Aight imma fuck off now. I got some errands i need to take care of, nice talkin with yall tho lmao

[pale shadow]

oml the software guy at my work is like "Do I press the update button"

[upbeat comet]

no

[pale shadow]

ciao

[clear ferry]

Let's say it like this @pale shadow if your manager is getting better paid than you, and not doing your job every day, it is time to move on

[pale shadow]

No they are also doing my job every day

As well as other things

I report directly to a director but delegated to manager

[clear ferry]

Fishy fishy

That kind of role sounds like a lot more than 18.5

[glacial knot]

18.5?

[pale shadow]

Im an associate network engineer, 21, and doing a degree at the same time

Also 1 year experience

We're a company of like 28 people

[clear ferry]

I have no education, started at 22 at 28k plus extras, was probably at 40-45 the first year

I've thought about doing a degree in later times, but can't be assed

[pale shadow]

can i come work for you

im a great PA

[clear ferry]

PlayStation Advocate

I can like that

[pale shadow]

xD

i dont like that

[clear ferry]

Then, no, you can't

I just moved the PS3 into my office

[pale shadow]

Im a good seat warmer

[clear ferry]

Might get around to Demon souls after Christmas

Should move the PS4 in there too in anticipation of Elden Ring

I'm only gonna work 20h weeks in 2022 anyway

@scenic radish snacking on one of my favourites now

[scenic radish]

🤣

🤢

[clear ferry]

I know @forest edge approves

https://tenor.com/view/gourmet-shit-tasty-pulp-fiction-gif-15462357

[glacial knot]

I hope you have onions with it

[last cedar]

Wat

[clear ferry]

No I just eat it from the pack

[glacial knot]

can't find a better judging emoji to react with

[last cedar]

This scares me

[glacial knot]

surprisingly, undercooked burger paddy makes me want to throw up
Mett with onions though. Yumm

[last cedar]

I am happy that a pallet of pellets is only 2300 sek

[glacial knot]

You pay electricity in time? 😛

or wood in this case I guess

[last cedar]

Should last about 4 weeks ish for that at the absolute coldest. Expecting a dramatic reduction next year with 3 glass windows and ftx

[last cedar]

Yeah :) small wooden pellets

Pellets heat the water, water heats the house, not like atx has it

So electric bills don't fluctuate so much for me in the winter

It has been like - 8C today

[glacial knot]

Oh? Atx do you heat your house with electricity?

I mean, outside the inevitable heating from your servers

[last cedar]

There is no reason for them not to

Electric has been dirt cheap in Norway

[clear ferry]

I have three heat pumps that do cooling and warming usually

Traditionally Norwegian houses were only convection ovens

[glacial knot]

Hmm

[last cedar]

Oh yeah, my new car

That I should have already taken delivery of

[clear ferry]

You haven't gotten it yet?

[last cedar]

Should be getting built week 5 to week 10...

So maybe april

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-disappointed-fan-seriously-what-are-you-doing-judging-you-gif-17485289

[last cedar]

I might get it before the new model comes

[glacial knot]

My Mom will have her new car before you 😂 And it's not even officially resleased yet

[last cedar]

I ordered mine in April

Bloody VW

Bloody component shortages

[glacial knot]

Also, out car dealer is crazy
He just buys every EV6 he can get his hands on. Because he sold 25 of them in less than a month from release day

[last cedar]

Bloody Magnesium

I am totally not jealous...

Hehe

[glacial knot]

What did you order? Id4?

[clear ferry]

I have seat massage @last cedar

And a huge boot

https://tenor.com/view/walking-sexy-back-big-butt-huge-butt-walking-across-the-street-gif-16559626

[last cedar]

A huge booty, got it

[last cedar]

I would love that

[last cedar]

I want an id4. Was allowed an octavia iv hybrid

[clear ferry]

Baby seat is taking up the passenger seat so no passengers can have a massage now

[last cedar]

Was not allowed a v60 t6 or xc40 recharge

[glacial knot]

company car?

[last cedar]

The baby can though

Yes

[glacial knot]

or WAF?

ahh

[last cedar]

Company car

Slighly disappointed with what they offer tbh

[clear ferry]

Should have been a superb

[last cedar]

No fully electric car, the taxed value of any ice car is insane now

Yes a Superb would have been great

An Enyaq would be a excellent

It is so silly

Tax on my 99 V70 is half what the tax is on the new hybrid

[clear ferry]

I just saw this and thought of you @pale shadow

[clear ferry]

Enyaq is shit though, doors feel like shit, interior feels like plastic, seats are ridiculously sloped and boot is useless

[last cedar]

Oh

[glacial knot]

Why's the old ICE less tax than the new Hybrid? o.0

[last cedar]

I probably should have looked at one closer then

[last cedar]

Bondable?

https://tenor.com/view/bond-spectre-gif-18088961

[last cedar]

The simple answer is that our government doesn't want us having too much of a good thing

[pale shadow]

i aint touching a generator if i havent got an electrician with me

[last cedar]

It is a "perk" and as such it will cost us

Before July the tax value was 3500 sek per month, now it is close to 5000

We pay 30% of that every month, plus fuel we use when not traveling for work

And now we have to pay for our own charging point

Which was a free perk before

They offer us 3 sek per kWh on electric though. Problem is that some hours it is more than 3 sek for everyone

I worked out it would take 502 days at 15kWh per day to break even for that perk

Assuming they are allowed to sponsor it. I expect that to dry up quickly

[finite atlas]

lmao

[static schooner]

‘Must own and wear a suit and tie’. That’s quite the anachronism these days

[clear ferry]

Not sure how it is everywhere, but I've talked to a lot of murica it people lately that get forced back to at least part time office now

Which goes against everything sane

We have changed to wfh as the norm ww now, and in Norway I don't see anyone will be going back to the office except HR and management, and even then only on a intermittent basis

[static schooner]

We just moved to ‘TBD’

[clear ferry]

So "we might force you back"

[static schooner]

At some point, with a hybrid plan.

They had just set the initial return date in Nov, so things move fast

[clever mortar]

Tie... I can count the number of times I've worn a tie at work in the last 5 to 8 years on the fingers of one hand

[clear ferry]

I've worn a tie at work

Never

Shorts however, and sandals

[glacial knot]

I can count the number of times I've worn a tie total on the fingers of one hand

[static schooner]

I made the mistake of wearing a suit and tie to a presentation at a conference a few years ago. I think I was the only one

[clever mortar]

There's been a few cases where it's been appropriate, but it's becoming less and less common that clients expect suit + tie

Even wearing a suit is becoming less common

[clear ferry]

Clients love my goofy t-shirts

[clever mortar]

One of those 😛

[glacial knot]

I wear well made dress shirts

whether I over dress for work, or under dress for work that way doesn't matter to me

most of the time over. By a lot 😂

[static schooner]

I’m pretty sure that I can no longer fit into my suit following covid gluttony

[clever mortar]

I can wear t-shirts and jeans to work, but I prefer going smartly dressed

[glacial knot]

I can wear tshirt and shorts if I want^^

[clever mortar]

Plus that way I get to wear a range of zany cufflinks

[glacial knot]

I need to buy shirts for cufflinks. And get some cufflinks. But 💸

where "need" is of course just that I think cufflinks are cool

[clever mortar]

Well, I do have the advantage of being "some years" into my career, and doing "fairly well"

[glacial knot]

I'm 3 years out of university^^

[clever mortar]

No way I could have dressed like this 20 years ago

I'm ... closer to 30 years out of uni 😄

[clear ferry]

My wife custom made me a hoodie with my nick and this picture on it, sadly I'm 30kgs heavier since it was made

I gave up uni 18 years ago

[glacial knot]

^^ most of my colleagues my age have some weird expensive ideas though

my tailored shirts are cheap compared to some others...

[clear ferry]

The sales people at work are 🤢

[clever mortar]

Oh, I know folks like that - ones who buy actual tailored (MTM) shirts and suits.

[clear ferry]

Man buns and dress every day

Traveling abroad to get dresses tailored twice a year

[clever mortar]

It's called a kilt ya sassenach

[clear ferry]

https://c.tenor.com/FKn-8Ac5M7oAAAAM/no-bugs-bunny.gif

[pale shadow]

I've worked in the office for a year straight

[clear ferry]

Office 🤢

[pale shadow]

I like it

[clear ferry]

I was there in march 2020

[pale shadow]

Just walk on over to the workshop mess with some pfsense boxes and pretend to work on them

Good Times

[clear ferry]

Just spin up 10 pfsense vms in my home lab, not even leave my upstairs office

[pale shadow]

Yeah but how are you going to send then to site?

Not gonna migrate over the Internet

[clear ferry]

That is surely an option

[pale shadow]

That is not an option

That's a oh shit were fucked and they need something now

[clear ferry]

But I usually work directly on customer environments over vpn, so just do it on the correct site to begin with

[pale shadow]

New pfsense boxes

[clear ferry]

Heck, I've fixed servers in Antarctica

From home

[pale shadow]

I've fixed servers in 35 countries from home

But I can't plug it in for them from home

[clear ferry]

No, i usually have local slaves to do that for me

[pale shadow]

Firstly ipsec tunnels are amazing

[clear ferry]

"hands and eyes"

Also, you still sound highly underpaid if this is your scope of work

[pale shadow]

Secondly the local slaves in Germany pushed a nas on a cart through the parking lot

And lost all the data

So that was fun

Because I didn't deal with it

[clear ferry]

[pale shadow]

I don't plan on living as a network engineer Tho.

Going to get into real estate and have this fund that

[clear ferry]

I smell manbuns and suits

[pale shadow]

:0 that's my boss!

I just want a suit and slicked hair lma9

[clear ferry]

🤢

https://tenor.com/view/thats-disgusting-ew-gross-ocd-dont-touch-me-gif-7910032

[pale shadow]

What

Lemme go find a shoe I wanted

[clear ferry]

Long live sandals and t-shirts and three figure salaries

And wfh all day

[pale shadow]

Quirky

[clear ferry]

🤢

[pale shadow]

Dress to impress

Unless it's you

Then I'll wear a tee and joggers

[clear ferry]

Definitely just like sales people in it

[pale shadow]

What

[clear ferry]

They wear shit like that

[pale shadow]

When we go to sites we have to wear suits

[clear ferry]

🤢

Horrible

[pale shadow]

If we're doing labour we have to wear polo's and work trousers

Its because we're higher up than the site MDs

So we have to be presented better

[clear ferry]

Sure you didn't mean 18.5k per month?

[pale shadow]

Lmao no

[clear ferry]

Because everything you are describing sounds like that

[pale shadow]

How so

[glacial knot]

I'd refuse to wear suite without that compensation 😂

[clear ferry]

Suits, working cross country, managers who work with you

[pale shadow]

Welcome to England

[clear ferry]

You sound like you should have more than me in compensation

[pale shadow]

Lol no

I have very little risk on my side