the-water-cooler

[dusky plank]

it definitely tries to get you into the cloud

remote access only works via apple servers aka the cloud

and even if you do not use remote access, your home will be saved in the cloud to sync across devices

[clever mortar]

Most folks here are going to be "in" many

[dusky plank]

i have a love and hate relationship with apple and try to break out of it's system whenever possible. so no specific

[clever mortar]

Eh, they all have good and bad points. None of them are "perfect", they all want to own your soul

[opaque girder]

it's easy if you don't own a single Apple product 😉

[clever mortar]

Android is a safe bet

It's rolling out on the GHome devices

Month or two back ISTR

https://9to5google.com/2021/06/11/how-to-know-fuchsia-os-nest-hub-update/

Android Home hasn't been a thing

[subtle pasture]

Good thing Android isn't actually under Google's control, then 👀

AOSP is open source, anyone can continue the project

There are already a number of Google-free iterations of Android based on AOSP

I get what you mean about Google's own self-branded products, though. They do love to kill things

I'm basically rolling my own hub at this point. Home assistant does a good job connecting to everything

[brisk glen]

AudioOS

Everything apple tho shares the same base

Each os is just a scope of features and services at this point

It’s all ios underneath except macOS for now

Fusha is googles savior

Or how you spell it

[glacial knot]

Fuchsia will be interesting

I hope it ends up as more of a research project

and we get the good ideas into Linux

[clever mortar]

Well, it's live already

[brisk glen]

I think it will replace android

It’s android without the crappy design decisions

[clever mortar]

I can't tell if my Lenovo display is using it, but it seems to be - everything else is already

[glacial knot]

Hm? All I've seen iwth fuchsia was that they run it on the new Nest firmware

[brisk glen]

I think google will replace all of their IoT device firmware with it first

And then possibly wearos

[clever mortar]

#the-water-cooler message

[glacial knot]

yea, that's what I meant. I honestly don't know the difference between Nest and GHome /shrug

Just googled again and Wiki says it's since may

[brisk glen]

It’s all the same at this point

[clever mortar]

It's all the same thing really

All my devices are pre-Nest branding, but they're Nest now

[fathom sparrow]

I still don't have a thermostat because all the 'fancy' ones aren't local

smart*

should have clarified

[novel rivet]

I got a Radio Thermostat CT-50, and I highly recommend you get anything else on the market

[fathom sparrow]

hmmm

[deft pewter]

I use a Hive and it's awesome. I didn't even hook it up to their hub (optional, only needed if you want to use the app) and just connected it straight to my Zigbee mesh.

I turned off all the advanced features on it and just use HA with Schedy.

[opaque girder]

Is that worth the money?

isn't it sth like 200-250 pounds?

[deft pewter]

To be able to control my climate automatically? Hell yeah, it's worth it. And I only paid around £100.

Hive Active Heating Thermostat
Item Number 4632J £129.98 GBP

A few quid more to pay an electrician to fit it (I didn't want to mess with a boiler).

[fathom sparrow]

zwave? or just zigbee

[deft pewter]

Zigbee. I'm not that rich.

[static schooner]

I heard you just got a new job paying like 1 million dollars

[deft pewter]

Yeah... it'll only take me 8 or 9 years to get the million dollars.

If I was in this job when I started automating stuff, I might've gone with Z-Wave. I went the cheaper route isntead 😄

Although, I don't think there are many Z-Wave options for thermostats in the UK.

[clever mortar]

Having both, there's few good reasons to go Z-Wave

[deft pewter]

Yeah, but most of the reasons are those super thin window sensors you have.

[clever mortar]

Pretty much

Though they do a LoRa version 😄

[deft pewter]

My estate isn't quite big enough to warrant LoRa

[clever mortar]

Well, if it's good for a few thousand meters, it's good for a few meters 😛

[deft pewter]

I think if the in-laws start to need help in a few years, I'll look into LoRa for monitoring their place remotely 😂

[dusky plank]

not sure if norway is in reach of a few thousand meters 😄

[deft pewter]

I... don't have relatives in Norway.

Apparently it's around 380 miles from me to the nearest point of Norway. LoRa could do that with enough elevation.

766 km (476 miles) using 25mW transmission power.

[worldly sierra]

sorry, too on-topic. please take it to #mqtt

😛

I switched all my stuff to zigbee2mqtt and not looked back. Works real good

[subtle pasture]

That's... a hell of a way to phrase that O.o

What, is the house going to moan when you insert your front door key for the first time? 😂

[glacial knot]

move to a sane place

[low harness]

That sounds like the doors in Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy.

[glacial knot]

I've only seen house prices in Montreal
And they seemed like a big city. Nothing special

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, I'm in California, and house prices aren't that bad (unless you want to be in a large city)

Places go for between $200,000 and $600,000 all the time. Million-dollar homes are crazy huge...

[glacial knot]

what's that? like slightly over 60m²?

[inner vault]

I bought my 3br house in Montreal in 2014 for $350k and sold it in 2019 for $545k

~1200sqft with a tiny yard

[glacial knot]

or munich. Or any big city /shrug

it's nice to see a bloody 12M€ house on a casual house market website

Munich grew at crazy rates couple years ago. Not sure about the last 2

I don't look there. Partialy because it's so stupidly inflated

[worldly sierra]

This latest release really improved the restart time on ha. Mine used to take a good 5-10 minutes and now it's 30-60 seconds. 💚

[glacial knot]

How many entities do you have?

[static schooner]

lol, this is why HA is so hard to support: #330990055533576204 message

[glacial knot]

Or do you run it on a 100MHz cpu?

[static schooner]

"the latest release starts instantly!" "The latest release takes an hour to start!"

[worldly sierra]

irrelevant as it was the same before and after the update. Around 1k entities and HA blue.

[glacial knot]

Very relevant, as both hardware and amount of entities influence startup behaviour

[worldly sierra]

I've literally restarted it twice since that message @static schooner 😄

[glacial knot]

And apparently I need more stuff. 200 is too low

[deft pewter]

It's almost like no two setups are the same. We all use different integrations... and some people use some weird ass custom components that aren't thoroughly tested.

[deft pewter]

Only 629 here. I know some people have many thousands 😄

[static schooner]

or their DNS has blown up

[deft pewter]

It can't be DNS

Can the bot post images? That should have its own command 😄

[static schooner]

.dns

it's free!

[deft pewter]

atmods!

[clever mortar]

[static schooner]

it's a big text file, so I suspect it can't post images

[deft pewter]

But if it posts a link and has the relevant roles, won't the image get embedded?

After all, that's all we do.

[static schooner]

true, dunno

[deft pewter]

The list of text replacement commands aren't the only thing the bot can do either. Some commands that aren't listed do things in code instead of just a simple lookup in that list.

[clever mortar]

Well, given the Discord notifier can post images, and it uses the same API... the bot can post images

[deft pewter]

Yeah, it's whether skala built that in or not 😄

[clever mortar]

I doubt it, but it also needs updated to handle threads

[static schooner]

#botspam message

pfft

not automagically

[deft pewter]

But that's in a 'card' or whatever Discord calls them.

[static schooner]

it's just a link:

  {
    "CommandName": "checkconfigui",
    "CommandData": "http://quadflightdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Home-Assistant-1.png"
  },

[deft pewter]

Yeah, just text.

[low harness]

Wow. You mentioning the discord notifier made me check my old discord log server.

[deft pewter]

This is JS rather than .NET (which I think is what skala uses for his bot), but you get the idea: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45684472/make-discord-bot-send-picture-with-message-with-nodejs

[low harness]

Turns out I have my old old hass instance running and logging events.

[clever mortar]

Pffft

[last cedar]

Lol

That version runs on a steam train right?

Electricity hadn't been invented

[clever mortar]

It only runs my steadily shrinking Z-Wave stack

[hearty depot]

recently had my 'Backup' sd from the time I started this journly in my hand.
my old love... hassbian

[ionic mist]

Where is the #scenes channel??? 😄

[deft pewter]

#automations-archived (it says so in the topic there)

But if in doubt, start in #general-archived, not #the-water-cooler

[lucid bison]

Erm

[deft pewter]

Your Discord is borked 🤷‍♂️

[hearty depot]

hassbian was just awesome

[deft pewter]

It's convenient, sure

[dusky plank]

what was it? hassio prepared in a image?

[deft pewter]

Hassbian is a SD card disk image which is a Raspbian installation with home Assistant in Virtual Environment, pre-installed.

[dusky plank]

no hassio at that time?

[deft pewter]

Pre HAOS, I guess.

https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2019/10/26/rip-hassbian

[dusky plank]

not even containers 😓

[deft pewter]

Containers > all

[meager quartz]

Sorry to interrupt, I’m just about to get started with HA and I have a really basic question that I’m having trouble finding the answer to and I’m not sure where to ask.

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

If it's a question about the HA Blue start in #330990055533576204. Install related problems go to your Installation Method channel.

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

If you found this server and want to know what it's about, start with the web site: https://www.home-assistant.io/

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: mstone

[meager quartz]

That was actually helpful LOL

[deft pewter]

Most of the topics are helpful. Please take the time to read them.

[subtle pasture]

Updating HomeAssistant OS from 4.17 to 6.2. Lets goooooo

Hopefully the large jump in version won't nuke anything >_>

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-im-in-danger-ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-gif-14149962

[lucid bison]

thats normal lol

[subtle pasture]

I know, I know

Holy crap... one of the clients we manage at work has 77 Ecobee thermostats on their network

Might be time to see if they need a HomeAssistant instance...

[lucid bison]

jesus

[subtle pasture]

It's a school, so I'm assuming tons of heating/cooling zones?

[bitter pawn]

i cant the math

-_-

[subtle pasture]

Aaaand... yup... upgrade failed big time

[bitter pawn]

100mbps connection! sending and receiving 130+ mbps

[subtle pasture]

Time for a clean install of HomeAssistant OS, because that borked real bad

[bitter pawn]

its not HA.

VMS. but this seems like a saturated NIC for sure.

[subtle pasture]

No, I mean my issue. I ran an update from Supervisor and it just killed the entire thing

[bitter pawn]

oh then yeah.

good luck

[subtle pasture]

Never had great luck with these OS updates. This is like the 5th time attempting one has resulted in the system going down and never coming back

[forest edge]

why over complicating shit always leads to more work lol

[subtle pasture]

I didn't over-complicate anything, I pushed the button in the UI that said "upgrade"...

[forest edge]

yea but you done already told us you complicate everything in the background lol

[subtle pasture]

There's nothing complicated going on in the background

It's a standard HomeAssistantOS image

Flashing the latest version now, going to restore from backup and be back up and running in a minute

Fresh flash / clean install still won't boot (haven't even gotten to restoring my config yet). That's not great...

[chilly widget]

show "Unable to find services.yaml for the hello_service integration" how to solve problems ?

😭

[subtle pasture]

Aight, back up and running... on 4.19. lol

Nothing newer boots 🤷‍♀️

I'll worry about it when the container requires a newer OS version 🥳

[chilly widget]

I think you are amazing

I don't know how to solve this problem

[lucid bison]

The server that sits at 2% usage is the hottest of them all

And yes, the monitor has no stand

It is the stand

[chilly widget]

so cool

[lucid bison]

Cool

Depends if you are talking about temperature

Lol

[chilly widget]

Maybe you could use some fans to cool it down

[green inlet]

@chilly widget , maybe you should read the channel topics….I will give you a polite preview….no HAss support here in off-topic. Which is why no one is helping you. If you don’t know where to start, go to #general-archived after reading each of the separate channel topics.

[chilly widget]

thank you

[jaunty berry]

Can one of the mods tell me if IT'zMeThirsteD just joined this server?

They just tried to target me with a scam...

[serene acorn]

anyone know how to report a scammer/spammer on the Discord?

Yep same

as @jaunty berry

IT'zMeThirsteD#1840 needs to be banned, they're doing same thing to me.

<@&330946878646517761>

[jaunty berry]

Atleast it's not just me who got the message

[flat lintel]

I gotchu

[young sigil]

Report it in #the-water-cooler , include the screenshot

[flat lintel]

Gone

[flat lintel]

This is #the-water-cooler 😛

[flat lintel]

Thanks for the report!

[young sigil]

Oh ffs.

[jaunty berry]

Any time!

[young sigil]

Where are my glasses?

[flat lintel]

Maybe you left them in # mods

[jaunty berry]

Are we okay to ping mods when this happens?

[flat lintel]

Absolutely!

[jaunty berry]

Thanks!

[flat lintel]

Just ping mods with the username and a screenshot

We pretty much have 24/7 coverage now so someone should help you out pretty quick

[jaunty berry]

I was trying to mess with him, but he caught on too quick

[serene acorn]

Thank you!

I reported them to Discord trust/safety but I doubt that'll do anything. Thanks for the quickness.

@jaunty berry I was curious at first, but then when they wouldn't produce the supposed profile link that scammed them and then sent the obviously fake support ticket screenshot.. lol

People have too much time on their hands

[waxen briar]

Hey I'm new 👋

[glacial knot]

Hey new

I'm ongy

[waxen briar]

^^ ohh the puns ... I walked right into that one ...

[glacial knot]

and I'm not even a dad

[waxen briar]

What do you get when you throw ducks into a cement mixer?

Quacks in the pavement ...

[peak cloud]

You rang?

[peak cloud]

Robbie don’t take no shit.

LayerCake, that one actually made me chuckle a bit! 😂 I am a dad, so I always appreciate terrible dad jokes.

[brisk glen]

Pure shit

Mine failed in 2 years

[glacial knot]

Mono scarred someone for life in this channel 😄

[brisk glen]

Someone? More like which one

Logi image quality sucks

Or it did in the logi 2

Warranty is only 1 year in the US soo….

Welcome to United Corporations of America

The C is twisted

Thus USA

Apple usually treats me good

Yah… sounds like a chip failed /exploded

I just ordered a new keyboard for my old 2012 laptop

Spilt water some time ago and it’s time to fix it to be used as a decent windows 10 laptop

Still faster that the $600 crap they sell today

Model?

My 2012 ran like a champ

Never had an issue till I shorted the keyboard with water

My 2018 Mac mini runs fantastic

My parents have the M1 and it’s fast…

[hushed basalt]

Mac generally have a pretty poor record for quality and service

Lots of victim blaming and gas lighting as well

They're actually a very scummy company

[glacial knot]

Hm

is there a good device, like the "old" physical standup calendars, to place on a desk that syncs to ical calendars?

Trying to find anything online just leads to apps...

[clever mortar]

You're basically asking about a tablet or small PC with display?

[glacial knot]

I could use a tiny tablet and fickle some appliance mode into it
But I was thinking more proper appliance

[clever mortar]

If you have it connected to HA then https://lametric.com/en-US works for displaying anything you want

Probably this is more of a #hardware-archived topic though, but

[glacial knot]

Ehh, considered it more #the-water-cooler since I don’t really intend to throw HA in the mix, but I guess

[glacial knot]

Looks interesting, but price/performance looks bad enough that I’d rather DIY with an esp32 and pre-render on a server at that point D:

[clever mortar]

Price isn't low, but it performs just fine

[waxen briar]

@glacial knot if you like the pixel art Divoom has a whole bunch of different things no idea if it can be added to HA though

[glacial knot]

Maybe there marketing is weird? It looked like <60x40 pixels to me. Which is too low resolution to read events on

[waxen briar]

yeah you would have to scroll it through

It sounds more like a job for a Nest HUB to me

or maybe one of those eink displays

[clever mortar]

Magic Mirror 😄

[glacial knot]

That'd be the #diy-archived solution. esp32 and 7" eInk or LCD display

[waxen briar]

I am so tempted but it also seems so useless

[glacial knot]

but knowing my motivation, I'd rather spend 100-150€ on a solution that "just works"TM (and isn't from the well knwon data siphon)

[glacial knot]

I don't want to see my face all day when I work 😄

[waxen briar]

https://github.com/aceisace/Inkycal/blob/main/Gallery/inkycal-featured-gif.gif?raw=true

[glacial knot]

I'd love to just have 1.5k for these huge eInk displays 😄

[deft pewter]

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps then.

[waxen briar]

they are like $70

for 7.5inches

[glacial knot]

I prefer going bare feet

[lucid bison]

gonna buy one rn

[forest edge]

that is neat but why do i got the feeling that thing is actually really small in person lol

[lucid bison]

tbh, just get an old touchscreen laptop, and put it in a wall mount case

done

[waxen briar]

Well it's tablet sized I guess https://github.com/aceisace/Inkycal

[low harness]

I have a cold and need cheering up. Tell me something cool.

[glacial knot]

Dry ice

[low harness]

So what’s ”cold” to you?

[glacial knot]

Liquid Nitrogen

I wanted to say that first
but thought it's a bit much for cool

[low harness]

Fair enough

[opaque girder]

liquid oxygen is way cooler

[low harness]

Liquid tungsten isn’t.

[low harness]

http://bash.org/?99835

[waxen briar]

When hermit crabs search for a new bigger house (sea shell) and find one that is too big for them they will start waiting in front of that shell for another crab that changes into the bigger shell to take over the smaller shell. This can lead to a queue of up to 20 crabs that line up by size and then all at once switch their shells with one another.

[deft pewter]

TIL hermit crabs are British.

The back half of the queue don't even know what they're queuing for; they just saw a queue.

[deft pewter]

Hmm. I'm embarrassed to admit that I've been running my PC without XMP enabled for the last couple of years 😱

Should get a nice (free) performance boost now that I've turned it on.

[brisk glen]

Free/ already paid for

[deft pewter]

Same thing 😄

I only noticed because I just ran a benchmark and it suggested my RAM sucked.

It should handle more raccoon gifs now.

[bitter pawn]

meh depends

on some earlier boards and systems xmp introduced instability

latest stuff seems to work better.

[amber bramble]

oh man its been so long since i've scrolled through bash.org

[deft pewter]

This PC's pretty up to date. I just didn't know about XMP before 😄

[low harness]

Put on your robe and wizard hat and enjoy

[bitter pawn]

when it works xmp is friggin awesome

when it doesnt...its a nightmare and a pita

[deft pewter]

What should I look out for in terms of issues? I'm playing a game at the moment and it seems stable.

[bitter pawn]

then you are golden

its when you stress the system and you get BSOD's, severe unexplainable lag, etc.

ive also seen systems where xmp works out the gate and then a year later its constant BSOD and turning off xmp fixes it.

sure its anecdotal, but your mileage will vary with xmp.

just by its nature

[deft pewter]

I shall try to remember that if I have issues in the future.

[subtle pasture]

Gotta love when you think your motherboard is on its way out, you've specced-out a brand new intel 11th gen system, are contemplating buying it or waiting for 12th gen... and realize all of your problems were being caused by a dead CMOS battery

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-lord-of-the-rings-theoden-king-of-rohan-you-have-no-power-here-gif-4952489

[subtle pasture]

The motherboard was forgetting all of its settings any time it was shut down, rebooted, or put to sleep for more than a couple minutes

[deft pewter]

I assumed CMOS batteries had infinite capacity. Not sure I've seen one die before.

[subtle pasture]

And would fail to boot until you reset the CMOS a few times

[clever mortar]

I've seen plenty fail, but ... I've had plenty of old computers

[subtle pasture]

@deft pewter Depending on the brand, CR2032 batteries are rated for between 5 and 10 years of life

This KTS battery was rated for 5 years, made it 7

[clever mortar]

Lots of fun when the batteries are soldered to the motherboard

[deft pewter]

Not all of us were around in the 60's to keep those old computers on hand 😄

[glacial knot]

mine's running for over 10 years now /shrug

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, I replaced the 5-year rated battery with a 10-year rated battery

Should outlive the system at this point

[waxen briar]

Makes you wonder why they don't just use something rechargeable in a system that has the power to charge something while in use ...

[glacial knot]

the main question

Why did you spec a 11th gen iCore instead of ryzen9?

[deft pewter]

Rechargeable batteries have even shorter lives.

[subtle pasture]

Rocket Lake technically has better IPC than Zen3

And Alder lake (12th gen) seems to go even higher

If you're in the market for 8 cores/16 threads, the Rocket Lake chip will often be faster 🤷‍♀️

[glacial knot]

I thought the big thing for alder is going to be big.LITTLE kinda stuff

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, though Alder lake's big cores appear to be even faster than Rocket Lake

[glacial knot]

Ahh. 8c/16t feels low these days D:

[subtle pasture]

And its "little" cores compare favorably to Skylake...

So even if you're running stuff on the little cores, you're still getting 6th gen levels of performance

[glacial knot]

Oh looking forward to more of that stuff on desktop and laptop platforms

I do wonder if they'll continue to have different ISA support on the different cores though

[subtle pasture]

@glacial knot I'd love to go 16 core / 32 thread on an HEDT platform, but AMD doesn't actually offer that

Only Intel does, and currently only on 10th gen 😕

Heck, I'd take 10, 12, or 16 cores on HEDT, but again... AMD doesn't offer that, Intel does...

AMD hasn't made a 16 core Threadripper since the first generation of Threadripper CPUs. The smallest one is 24 cores now, and waaaay too expensive.

[glacial knot]

yea, 1.5k for the smallest TR

[bitter pawn]

i haz the 8 core TR

its not bad

[subtle pasture]

An original ThreadRipper? Haswell beats that thing...

[bitter pawn]

finding a heatsink for it was a pita tho

after going through 3 DOA x99 CPU's i decided to say F*** haswell.

well the i7 variant

for some reason the xeons worked.

[subtle pasture]

How did you get that many DOA chips? lol

[bitter pawn]

ebay

[subtle pasture]

I'm running on an i7 5960x right now, from ebay

[bitter pawn]

and bad luck

[waxen briar]

I'm happy with my 3900X and had a small party when I got a GPU and could leave the NVIDIA discord ... it is not a happy place

[bitter pawn]

funny you say that

i returned 3 of those specific cpus

[subtle pasture]

Not sure what to tell you. Best $120 I've ever spent

Clocked right up to 4.6GHz all-core

[bitter pawn]

lucky

[subtle pasture]

Not super lucky, no. 4.6GHz is pretty average for a 5960x

[bitter pawn]

😛

[subtle pasture]

4.8 or 5 would have been lucky

[bitter pawn]

or i should say i was unlucky

the higher powers that be said "THOU SHALL NOT ENJOY X99!"

but its whatevers.

[subtle pasture]

I wonder if it was your choice of motherboard...

Asus boards are known for killing x99 CPUs within a few days

[bitter pawn]

worked fine with xeons

[subtle pasture]

They set the memory controller voltage wrong and fry them

Yeah, Xeons won't let you enable XMP, which is what causes the bug on Asus boards

[bitter pawn]

it was an asus.

[subtle pasture]

😬

[bitter pawn]

🤔

one was a rampage edition

the other was the one in white.

[subtle pasture]

Updating the BIOS should resolve it, but everyone I know with an Asus board just doesn't turn on XMP

[bitter pawn]

after asus stole my rampage

[subtle pasture]

And sets their memory clock and timings manually

[bitter pawn]

asus rma = full of thieves

i dont remember turning on xmp

[subtle pasture]

Asus enables XMP by default on some CPUs 😄

[bitter pawn]

pretty sure i kept it off, as i was just trying to post

[subtle pasture]

Which Intel says explicitly not to do, btw

[glacial knot]

hm? did you not receive your board back? When that happened to me, I got the newer variant of the board 😄

[bitter pawn]

so interesting story

[subtle pasture]

_is currently drooling over this guy: https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i9-10920X-Desktop-Processor-Unlocked/dp/B07YP6Y9VY/_

[bitter pawn]

ordered a newegg openbox for an x99 non-rampage

received a rampage IV with all accessories

had this issue, rma-ed the board with pictures

rampage was in all black

they send back a white board

[subtle pasture]

12 cores, 24 threads, 48 PCIe lanes, quad-channel DDR4 support 🤤

[bitter pawn]

and they are like...well this is what you sent us.

and im like...pictures dont lie.

you guys are thieves if you arent making this right

had 2 higher ups being like...naw yer wrong and im like...naw you guys are thieves. im done with asus rma.

[glacial knot]

Even the smallest retail SKUs would be an upgrade over my 2700k at this point

[bitter pawn]

so now if i get an asrock or asus...im like either im buying a new board or i want a refund (which i usually dont get).

[subtle pasture]

Heh, the modern equivalent to that CPU would be the Core i3-10100

[bitter pawn]

but i actively go out of my way to not buy asus products anymore

[subtle pasture]

4 cores, 8 threads, 3.6GHz base clock, 4.3GHz turbo... would probably still be faster than a 2700k

[glacial knot]

ti's still a bit better than the 10210U I think

which is my laptop

[subtle pasture]

As for Alder Lake, I'm curious to see how Microsoft optimizes their thread scheduler for it

That said, they've already had Windows running on big.little ARM CPUs

So this isn't their first crack at it

[glacial knot]

yea, big.LITTLE is pretty much solved

[subtle pasture]

I imagine a lot of system services will just permanently run on the little cores

[glacial knot]

and would make a lot of sense for my home server uses
not much at all most of the time, and then some massive compile jobs out of nowhere D:

hm. But that does make me wonder if there's an API to pin kernel threads to CPUs

there is for userspace ones, I know that

[ember lake]

@deft pewter found an even cheaper seller, https://www.amazon.com/Withings-Nokia-Sleep-Temperature-Compatible/dp/B00NNCHZ5A

now I'm tempted 😄

[deft pewter]

🆗

[glacial knot]

Do you need better accuracy than what apps can do with phones on your mattress?

[ember lake]

@glacial knot I need a way to detect if someone is asleep

I haven't found an app yet that has an API / notification system

[glacial knot]

I'm sure there's one that tries to cloud-sync that's sufficiently insecure to just exfiltrate the data

[clever mortar]

https://home-assistant-guide.com/2021/06/17/integrating-sleep-as-android-with-home-assistant-using-tasker/

[static schooner]

but do they dream of electric sheep?

[cedar chasm]

Fringe reference? I just rewatched that

[static schooner]

Philip K Dick

basis of Blade Runner

[cedar chasm]

Oh, the 'Man in the HIghcastle' guy

[clever mortar]

If you like SciFi, all the movies based on his work are worth a watch. Some are stranger than others though.

[static schooner]

Incidentally, I watched the series first and followed with teh book. I found the series much better

[clever mortar]

The books are also good, and of varied levels of strange

[cedar chasm]

I did the same; Series then Book

The book pretty much layed out a premise, and the series ran with it

[static schooner]

The book was like a small vingette out of the series

[deft pewter]

Next Madao will tell us he hasn't heard of Herbert.

[cedar chasm]

wahhh`?

[deft pewter]

Frank

[cedar chasm]

Yoda?

(joke)

Did he write Dune?

[deft pewter]

That's the fella

I'm looking forward to the new movie adaptation. Oh, and Foundation (Asimov)

Foundation looks like it could be amazing.

[cedar chasm]

Dune was a fun game, the one before the RTS

[deft pewter]

Hmm. Dunes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-uztVX6QFQ

[waxen briar]

Yay all my devices are in Home Assistant now

My UI still looks like ass but that's a problem for another day.

[waxen briar]

Does anyone here use valetudo?

[velvet horizon]

Don't ask to ask, just ask your question. Then people can answer when they're around.

When you do ask a question, try to provide as much background detail as possible. Ask yourself these questions first so that others don't have to:

1. What version of the Home Assistant are you running? (remember, last isn't a version)
2. What exactly are you trying to do that won't work?
3. Is the problem uniform or erratic?
4. What's the exact error message?
5. When did it arise?
6. What exactly don't you "get"?
7. Can you share sample code, ideally with line errors where the error occurs?

Command '.ask' was invoked by: pdobrien3

[green inlet]

And then ask in the proper channel 😉

[waxen briar]

Is there an appropriate channel for HACS lovelace cards?

[green inlet]

#frontend-archived

[static schooner]

Those are just Lovelace cards

[waxen briar]

OK I'll try there

[green inlet]

@static schooner 🌮🍺 🎉 🎈

[waxen briar]

they don't have the guts to do it

[green inlet]

Ha….Rob helped me set that up. No idea of the answer til tomorrow as it is saved in a password_mode input_text. It took me a while to build a template that figured out that the current joke was actually a question. Then split it and save the answer separate from the question. Notify the question to the family on Monday and the answer on Friday. Winner gets to pick dinner location on Saturday.

Cause where we eat as a family on Saturday night is always a trainwreck

[forest edge]

lol wut

[green inlet]

Wut wut?

[forest edge]

what sitcom you from?

[green inlet]

I leave the house….it’s called life

🤣

[forest edge]

no, Life is a crime drama show

[green inlet]

Actually, if some network came and filmed my family on the daily…..it would prob be a hit.

[forest edge]

in pakistan

@tidal bronze did you go home yet or you still enjoying that refreshing NY air?

[waxen briar]

https://tenor.com/view/jackass-ryandunn-bam-margera-funny-gif-4950313

[tidal bronze]

Half way there. @forest edge

[forest edge]

can you see the state on fire at the half way mark?

[tidal bronze]

No

[tidal bronze]

@green inlet 🤔 all that for Saturday night ?

[green inlet]

And hopefully memories for kids ;-).

You have to be a bit creative to make things fun

[dusky plank]

35°C, mid august
shops have gingerbread on sale 🎄

[glacial knot]

You skipped Halloween?

[hearty depot]

Guy forgot that he had to connect the USB for debugging/flashing. So soldered up the elevation

Might know what awesome display this is?

https://hackaday.com/2021/08/06/sbitx-hackable-hf-sdr-for-the-raspberry-pi/

[low harness]

Looks like it'd hit that capacitor too if it was seated directly.

[young sigil]

7″ Raspberry Pi screen

[deft pewter]

It doesn't feel like they're building their own IoT devices for use with HA 🤷‍♂️

[brisk glen]

yah... building an SDR iot network would be painful...

[shell tusk]

Anyone know where I can Get Support for using Home Assistant using Hassio?

[deft pewter]

Did you read the channel topics?

[shell tusk]

I tried but I am Unsure which one it would fit under

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

If it's a question about the HA Blue start in #330990055533576204. Install related problems go to your Installation Method channel.

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

If you found this server and want to know what it's about, start with the web site: https://www.home-assistant.io/

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[clever mortar]

Says right there to ask in #general-archived if you're lost, but it really depends on your question

[shell tusk]

Ah I see, I'm just a Bit confused because I get to the HA Setup screen, so I don't know if that's a Problem with HA or Hassio

Sorry for Posting in the Wrong channel

[clever mortar]

Then that'd be your install method channel, which is ...

[velvet horizon]

Hass.io was the old name for the appliance like install option, that uses Docker. It was renamed in January 2020 and is now called Home Assistant OS (see #330990055533576204).

Command '~hassio' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[shell tusk]

Ohhhhhhh

[frank spruce]

hi all I am new here and also new to home automation. just thought I would introduce myself

[last cedar]

Welcome!

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-well-hi-cute-gif-15474141

[frank spruce]

lol thank you

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-the-world-of-tomorrow-futurama-gif-18101283

[deft pewter]

You can imagine my disappointment when Tomorrowland at Disneyworld looked nothing like that...

[clever mortar]

https://staceyoniot.com/does-it-matter-smart-home-standard-is-delayed-until-2022/

Shocked I tell you, shocked...

[deft pewter]

So it'll be on the market in, what... 2025?

Zigbee killer, my ass.

So far, it's naught but vapourware.

[brisk glen]

God dam it…. Now more of my shit is going to be HomeKit thread only

[deft pewter]

Or get a real standard like Zigbee or Z-Wave 🤯

[brisk glen]

I could and buy some more hubs

[deft pewter]

This proprietary nonsense can't stop soon enough.

[brisk glen]

I’ll get a conbee 2 as soon as I get a NUC first

[deft pewter]

You'd think there'd be fewer fans of Apple's crap in here, what with the whole point of HA being that you can build one big open source network.

[clever mortar]

CC2652 all the way, none of this last generation junk

[brisk glen]

I use ha to extend my HomeKit network 😛

CC2652?

[clever mortar]

Yes

See #zigbee-archived 😛

(it's in the pins)

[brisk glen]

And I’m blind as shit

Oh my

[brisk glen]

You just made my day, I’m buying one of these now

And it’s open thread ready

[deft pewter]

I'll let you in on a secret... Thread is basically Zigbee.

https://xkcd.com/927/

xkcd: Standards

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

It's all just marketing crap from Google and Apple so they can charge you more for the things you can already do for cheap now.

So if you want to wait a couple more years for the privilege of paying twice as much...

[low harness]

Thing is, zigbee is basically zigbee.

[deft pewter]

Yeah, some Zigbee devices even follow the Zigbee spec.

[low harness]

So I've heard.

[brisk glen]

“By focusing on the network management side, Thread allows other technologies to provide the application level functionality. This allows for different uses over a single thread network depending on the purpose of specific devices. An example is ZigBee, where the application layer for ZigBee devices can be used on top of a Thread network, leveraging the benefits of both.”

Wut, zigbee on top of thread?

[glacial knot]

probably the LL or Zigbee3 packet structures on top of a different L1/L2 lower layer

[deft pewter]

It's all just marketing crap from Google and Apple

[brisk glen]

Yah. And now it looks like you can access the thread network from a phone over Bluetooth now

[deft pewter]

That's tech marketing speak.

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/horrible-crying-noooo-no-say-it-isnt-true-gif-13258621

[brisk glen]

I think the only big difference is if my Phillips hue hub died I can’t access my lights where as with thread. I still can

[clever mortar]

Sales: Yes, we'll have that feature in the next release
Reality: Hmmm, should make a note of that and tell the project manager to add it at some point. After the pub though.

[brisk glen]

Don’t need a bridge or border router…. Which means even if my wifi network eats shit, my smartphone can still turn on and off the lights

[glacial knot]

That's why I got backup usb zigbee sticks

[brisk glen]

I thought you can’t have backup zigbee points

[clever mortar]

Sure you can, they just don't support primary/secondary

[glacial knot]

zigbee2mqtt allows to backed up the data
And to some degree to just switch the hardware in the same family

so if the stick or the computer dies

I just switch it to a different one

[brisk glen]

Rip master and slave terminology

[clever mortar]

Proper failover is primary/primary anyway 😛

[glacial knot]

zigbee has coordinator/router/device terminology either way

and afaik there's a max of 1 coordinator on a network

[clever mortar]

Yup

[brisk glen]

Thread has primary/primary

[clever mortar]

TBH the odds of a stick dying are low

Yeah, but there's also Matter now...

[glacial knot]

yea, host death is way more likely

[deft pewter]

You're focusing on the mythical elimination of your single point of failure. If you're using something like HA (or SmartThings, or, or, or), there's already a single point of failure. It's not the mesh.

[brisk glen]

HomeKit 😛

[glacial knot]

HighAvailability-HomeAssistant!

[brisk glen]

As long as my wife is happy… speaking of, I need to get rid of the ecobee and its smart sensors

[clever mortar]

Docker swarm!

[glacial knot]

we need dynamic fail over and load balance for our favorite software

[clever mortar]

It's not that hard if you want to make it happen, and you know what you're doing

[brisk glen]

They updated my ecobee and murdered my lights occupancy

[clever mortar]

I've run HA systems over the years, from active clusters to failover, it's surprisingly easy, and surprisingly hard

[brisk glen]

Ha can be run as primary/secondary, easy

[glacial knot]

if the software supports it

[clever mortar]

Yup, and HA doesn't come close

It'd need services to allow you to disable and enable all cloud integrations

[glacial knot]

does it even support a database that's suitable?
Well, same to the other files it still writes to automagically

[brisk glen]

Use a cluster block storage for the file system and have 1 active ha instance with health checks

[clever mortar]

MariaDB cluster for the database

That bit is trivial

Cold failover would be the easy option

[glacial knot]

yea, I just didn't know if it's anything but sqlite with direct file access supported

that's easy. Just share the DB/storage via CEPH or NFS

[brisk glen]

Just got to keep HA boot time minimal 😛

[glacial knot]

mine's quick to start

only SNMP takes a while D:

[brisk glen]

The nice thing about HomeKit is that I already have 4 automation hubs without trying

[deft pewter]

Which one houses the logic?

[brisk glen]

All of them

They do active / inactive

[deft pewter]

How do you program the logic?

[glacial knot]

Hey Siri

[brisk glen]

HomeKit app / eve app / home plus app

[deft pewter]

So if the app fucks up or you lose access, you can't make changes?

[brisk glen]

If you lock yourself out of your apple account yes

[deft pewter]

Noice. I'll keep everything in HA where I have full control and don't have to put faith in 'your privacy matters' Apple.

[glacial knot]

apple account? I though tit's supposed to support offline only?

[brisk glen]

Yah… depending on how that goes, I’m using it as an excuse to buy more hardware for a HA fall over setup much to my wife’s dismay

[deft pewter]

It'll be fun when Apple keep pushing further with the 'think of the children' safety measures and start intruding more and more into your home.

People go batshit over Echos supposedly listening in all the time but don't care when Apple literally want to scan your phone.

[brisk glen]

Indeed, especially when amazon and google all ready do it

[deft pewter]

Could you provide sources to back up that claim?

They have scanning for stuff in-flight. They don't scan your personal devices.

They'd be nuts not to scan emails and the like for child abuse.

[glacial knot]

the apple stuff is attached directly to iCloud uploads

[deft pewter]

So they claim.

But the stuff around scanning content for minors proves that they've built the technology to proactively scan files on devices.

There's no guarantee that they won't abuse that same technology, or that governments won't pressure them to scan against different databases for different content types.

[brisk glen]

Yah… all it takes is one government requirement to scan for other things

[glacial knot]

with some special tech to not give the user any idea what's scanned for

[brisk glen]

Hello pine phone, I keep looking at you every day now

[deft pewter]

Exactly this. And this isn't on my Android 🤷‍♂️

[glacial knot]

I highly suspect it was some government order that lead to the current thing as well

[deft pewter]

I'm all for preventing the distribution of the content they're scanning for. But scanning personal devices is going too far.

[brisk glen]

As soon as the pine phone fixes the baseband lockup issues with text messages

[glacial knot]

it's not canary bad, but it's the weird mixture of bad and still decently thought threw that only happens when stuff's done by force

[deft pewter]

Yup. And their recent press release saying that it's not as bad as people think, it was just poorly communicated... 🤦‍♂️

[brisk glen]

Yah.. I call bullshit

[deft pewter]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/08/apple-defends-iphone-photo-scanning-calls-it-an-advancement-in-privacy/

[brisk glen]

It’s really bad

[deft pewter]

The system has divided employees. "Apple employees have flooded an Apple internal Slack channel with more than 800 messages on the plan announced a week ago, workers who asked not to be identified told Reuters," the Reuters news organization wrote yesterday. "Many expressed worries that the feature could be exploited by repressive governments looking to find other material for censorship or arrests, according to workers who saw the days-long thread."

Even their own employees are speaking out that it's likely to be abused.

And because it's black box, you'll never know if they start scanning for other stuff.

They just spent the past couple of years pretending they're pro-privacy, and now this?

[brisk glen]

Likely? More like will a given

[deft pewter]

I'd hope nothing I do on my device puts me in the crosshairs of any local agencies... but what about people living in Hong Kong that have anti-China content?

[brisk glen]

As soon as this is out, the us government is going to start checking for Black Lives Matter and friends

[deft pewter]

It doesn't have to be illegal. The state just has to disagree with it.

[brisk glen]

Indeed

[deft pewter]

You're being way too reasonable about this. I had you down as an Apple shill 😂

[brisk glen]

A little fabrication of evidence, a cop tosses a bag of cocaine while arresting you

Hah, I like or depending on what happens… liked… apple a lot but I am reasonable

[glacial knot]

I'm also warry of what apple says that it happens on upload
since any system intended to actually work would trigger on update of the database as well
so either they are keeping parts secret, or it's pretty scuffed for its actual purpose

[brisk glen]

I will move away from them if needed to avoid this dystopian bullshit

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/trust-jeremy-wynonna-earp-gif-18454701

[deft pewter]

At best, the system is designed to scan the file you've just asked to upload against the most recent copy of the hash DB, right before it's encrypted and uploaded. This would make it a system where they're respecting your E2E encryption and not having to store criminal material on their servers.

But we all know that's not where it'll stop.

[glacial knot]

that's what they describe

[deft pewter]

I usually scoff at the tinfoil hatters. This one worries me.

[brisk glen]

Soon enough they will also scan for hashes for other things

Even if they keep this privacy scanning

[glacial knot]

But I highly doubt it's not going to re-do the key derivation step and on difference upload the new one when the database updates

[brisk glen]

Who is controlling what hashes are used to scan

[deft pewter]

Don't need to upload anything again. Just check for each new upload attempt. If something wasn't spotted in the past, it's a ghost already.

[glacial knot]

still respecting E2E in the sense that only the device has the plaintext version

[brisk glen]

Aka bypassing E2E

[glacial knot]

ghost?

[deft pewter]

Well since Apple have been increasingly walling in their ecosystem, no-one knows 😂

[brisk glen]

No need to decrypt when you have access to the device itself

The government failed to control encryption, this is the next best thing for them, if not better

[deft pewter]

It's 'in the wind'. Gone. You can't track something that happened in the past before you implemented the thing designed to detect that event.

[glacial knot]

that's how the thing works in the first place. Whether it does with an upload trigger, or some other one /shrug

[glacial knot]

which is why I'm saying ,I'd expect it to re-do the part that actually uses the database on database update. If the file is still on device/synced from iCloud it can still generate a match

[deft pewter]

It's funny... I don't think this'll actually stop people that know what they're doing. Just use Signal or some other E2E app that isn't going to send content via iCloud. If they're being honest about it only scanning iCloud-bound files, it'll bypass it.

[deft pewter]

Not if the file has since been deleted 🤷‍♂️

[brisk glen]

So apple says

[deft pewter]

Distribute illegal content, delete from original device, done.

[glacial knot]

that's a big IF for most things

[brisk glen]

/if the system is there

What’s stopping them from scanning before you “share” an image

[deft pewter]

Zip.

[brisk glen]

Thus, this is way too dangerous

[glacial knot]

nothing really stops them from scanning every image processed by system services

[brisk glen]

This system can be used for all devices

All apps

[deft pewter]

All Apple devices.

[brisk glen]

Even text as it uses apples already scanning ML stuff

Well yah apple

[deft pewter]

That's not to say others won't follow... but if enough people desert Apple over it, Google will be less likely to try it.

There'll always be someone else to go to.

[brisk glen]

Who’s to say the HomePods are next, just use text hashes and have it scan every phrase that is auto translated to text

[glacial knot]

that would require enough distrust to only speak to the already de-googled crowd

[brisk glen]

It would be an efficient and effective way to monitor everything

No need to send back big voice clips etc

Have it all done on device

[deft pewter]

Arguably, text is harder. Semantics are still pretty difficult for ML models to understand.

[glacial knot]

the actual next step is going to be a database of copyrighted material
and if you have a screenshot of a Disney movie you get an automatic bill D:

[brisk glen]

I would normally agree but the ML hardware on the HomePod minis are powerful

[deft pewter]

Unless it's something really obvious like someone says "I have 1kg of cocaine for sale".

Nah... ML is still fairly basic. It's trained on patterns. You have to upload data to pretty powerful datacentres to do the really clever stuff.

[glacial knot]

well, the scan they have in there is still mustly an equivalence. Just with some image fuzzying done by a NN

[brisk glen]

Apple is moving most of Siri to… on device processing

You only need hashes for phrases

Cocaine is mentioned? Let’s send that entire sentence off for more processing

[glacial knot]

that only really applies when going for equality
since exactly the necessary fuzzying (especially if false positives around plays, jokes and others are to be avoided) is the hard work

and open research topics

[brisk glen]

Yes but it takes far far less resources to let the device do most of the work

[glacial knot]

the sad part, I'm only like, 60% joking with this

[deft pewter]

Yeah, the big corps will probably use tech more and more to protect their income.

We've already seen DRM. People already break it. They'll find another measure.

[brisk glen]

Their golden ticket to attacking piracy

Solid proof that can use to go after you legally and win

[deft pewter]

My favourite thing about all this anti-piracy crap is that it often degrades a genuine user's experience to the point that piracy is easier.

[brisk glen]

Game runs like shit? Break the drm to restore performance

[deft pewter]

Fucking Windows license keys... replace one piece of broken hardware, your license is invalid.

[glacial knot]

DRM only ever hurts legit users

[brisk glen]

God I fucking hate that

[deft pewter]

I bought a legit version of Windows 10. Upgraded my RAM or something stupid, support told me I needed a new license.

Guess what I didn't pay for next time.

They get one license out of me. I'm still a single user on the same version.

[brisk glen]

I would have told them and filed a demand for the license to be restored and then read the tos to see if a lawsuit had any chance

Gone to court out of being petty and not settling just to have a record on them

[deft pewter]

Eh... I went the easy route. But I tried to do the right thing first.

[brisk glen]

That way there is a case already for the next guy they try to fuck over and then they can use that as reference material until they stop the bullshit

I use EDU keys, never paid for windows 10, never will

(I get them for free from work)

[deft pewter]

Think I had a Win 8 key from university but that didn't upgrade properly when they did the whole free upgrade from 8 to 10 thing.

I'm still using a free install of Office from my work's Enterprise account. No way am I ever paying for that shit 😂

If that license ever expires, I'm just going to GSuite.

Aha... I love some of the joke emails I get sent. This one's my kind of humour:

My therapist told me that a great way to let go of your anger is to write letters to people you hate and then burn them.
I did that and I feel much better but I am wondering: what am I supposed to do with the letters?

[pliant niche]

Hey all, I'm new here and new to Home Assistant, and I have Big Anxiety, so actually asking questions is gonna take me forever. But I figured I'd get over the first hurdle by saying hello

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/jungle-welcome-vocalist-band-gif-7617009

[deft pewter]

Welcome to the Jungle Madhouse

[dull chasm]

@forest edge ..... @tidal bronze 's speaker is getting loaded up https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=392461199110292

[forest edge]

and that is just one lawn speaker

[dull chasm]

no doubt

[tidal bronze]

@dull chasm @forest edge no privacy with social media 😦

[dull chasm]

yep your busted ...

@forest edge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tOKYFR4Rzg on @tidal bronze 's lawn soon

[tidal bronze]

So I guess its quad-lawn-friday ?

[dull chasm]

works for me .....maybe sooner or later i will things right where i dont have to work 12 hours days at property

[tidal bronze]

Ahhh don't complain you love doing it

[dull chasm]

last project building a power hookup

she ^^^^ did the digging ...but this pic was after her bath

[deft pewter]

What is that? A large rat?

[dull chasm]

how dare you ....that is my sweet little puppy named sassy girl......she is a zombie killer

and a nurse ...if i get a cut she fixes it

[deft pewter]

Oh, you're talking about the dog in the background? I thought you meant the rodent in the foreground.

[dull chasm]

no that is bella in the background ....like southern belle

she is the attack dog

[deft pewter]

Found your 'dog'

[dull chasm]

she is cute too ... i will feed her

[deft pewter]

East African springhare. Unusual dog breed.

[dull chasm]

i wonder if she howls like mine

[forest edge]

once @tidal bronze starts letting the homeless crash on his lawn it will certainly look like that

[shy comet]

i bet theres some living in a RV nearby already

its been getting pretty bad out here, had one camping out in a tent near a elementary school

[tidal bronze]

That was me, 😞

[forest edge]

now the truth comes out. quad's real profession is peddling

"got any spare audio equipment sir?"

[subtle pasture]

When you upgrade from a Pi 3B (1GB) in a plastic case to a Pi 4B (4GB) in an aluminum case

Gotta love that drop in memory use (%) and temperature

[glacial knot]

place it in your fridge, for even better temps

[subtle pasture]

It's doing pretty well with the aluminum case. It's that Flirc one that makes contact with the SoC, making the entire case a heatsink

[last cedar]

cool

I will see myself out

[young sigil]

Unused memory is wasted memory. Should be running at 100%.

[deft pewter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0u4M6vppCI

[final sierra]

Are you still using twonky? How do you get twonky media control in HA?

[deft pewter]

Twonky is paid? 🤢

So many free options out there for media servers.

[forest edge]

twonky now that's a name i not heard of in a long time

that use to get support from off shit like sling tv and such

[forest edge]

that's been my setup for like over a year or two. doing video stuff will cause it to get a little toasty in a room where airflow is nil to some but a small fan blowing air across it cures that

[dull chasm]

shame on you ...you are adding to global warming @forest edge

[forest edge]

what the hell you doing up this early? gotta go out to the field early and feed them cows?

[dull chasm]

i am always up this early but yes

[subtle pasture]

Easily done. Just configure MariaDB with a larger memory pool... Because Linux still doesn't seem to have an equivalent to SuperFetch

[subtle pasture]

Fair. Might upgrade to a case with a fan if I start pushing it. Video is currently handled by my Synology NAS, though

Synology Surveillance Station is pretty rad 👀

[glacial knot]

the quick description of superfetch sounds like something I tried for work once. Which did close to nothign

[subtle pasture]

@glacial knot it's enhanced prefetch. It monitors usage patterns and attempts to load data from disk into memory before it's actually requested by a user. It also rebuilds this cache automatically after a reboot.

It's actually pretty noticable on systems with slow disks. Large frequently used applications are just cached and ready to go (Looking at you, Photoshop)

[glacial knot]

yea, what I found said it's mainly for pre-loading the binaries
which can help a tiny bit, especially when (initial) IO can be slow

oh right, I forgot how stupidly large some windows applications are 😄

[subtle pasture]

Photoshop is large on any platform...

The Mac version isn't any lighter, lol

[glacial knot]

I'd have to check how large our AVD binary is. I think it's the largest binary we got

[subtle pasture]

But SuperFetch takes "Unused RAM is wasted RAM" pretty seriously. The original version would basically use 100% of free memory as cache.

So you're RAM was always technically 100% used

[deft pewter]

100% used is fine as long as things yield when something else needs it more.

I assume (hope) Superfetch did that.

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, SuperFetch has low priority, but apparently there's overhead for deallocating and reallocating

[glacial knot]

that overhead isn't even really low

[subtle pasture]

So now Windows uses a percentage of free RAM rather than everything

But all this is ancient history now. SuperFetch was introduced in 2006...

[glacial knot]

wonders if windows ever has to deal with high order physical allocations

[subtle pasture]

Still kinda waiting for a Linux equivalent. I have some slower systems that could benefit from it...

[glacial knot]

we ran into issues when I did our driver naively and thins ran fine. For some time that was related to the total memory on the system
Because allocations of 256KiB contiguous physical memory is apparently not something Linux guarantees

[subtle pasture]

Ah, did ASLR mess with you?

[glacial knot]

Be the change you want to be 😄

nah, just simple memory fragmentation. Does KASLR try to randomize the physical pages? I've never looked too far into it

[glacial knot]

to be serious though, I'd love to look into this in some more interesting and self-learning way than a very broad approach I tried for a specific customer system
We do have "slow" access for initial disk IO, since we do a bunch of hashing and crypto that's cached for later ones

ah, apparently the new KASLR patches do randomize the physical offset as well. I thought that's considered sufficiently random by allocation
though that probably doesn't apply for modules loaded from initram and other points where we are still almost entirely deterministic

[glacial knot]

guess I could start by re-starting the effort I did for https://git.sr.ht/~ongy/ebpf-tests/tree/master/item/processtree.bpf.c and finish having a basic ebpf based tracer for IO functions and FDs
To then feed that into a model that determines which files to provide (at least pre-cache via file reads from userspace)

[lucid bison]

I think I got a big enough fan

[dull chasm]

@forest edge just for you

1000 acres of steaks but cows are in shade lol

[autumn dragon]

I'm looking at moving away from the Unifi USG and getting a box that supports OPNsense as I want real IPS/IDS. Does anyone have any suggestions for hardware that can do IPS/IDS at roughly >400mbps?

[clever mortar]

The OpnSense forums and wiki have lots of good information on that

[last cedar]

Exhaust or intake?

[lucid bison]

Exhaust

I have vents in the doors

[last cedar]

@autumn dragon apu2 probably, optiplex 7010 definately (have been doing 620mb with ids without mxing it)

[lucid bison]

I will be getting another for an intake

[last cedar]

Nice Bingles!

[lucid bison]

Ta pet

[deft pewter]

You Yorkshire folk and your dodgy vocabulary 😂

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/blacklist-the-pot-kettle-gif-21654186

[deft pewter]

Thanks, Red.

It's weird seeing Ultron out of his metal suit.

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/yorkshire-yorkshire-airlines-comedy-funny-airlines-gif-14343458

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-ultron-its-just-that-i-dont-understand-i-dont-understand-avengers-age-of-ultron-gif-20210070

[last cedar]

Lol

[deft pewter]

Give him a tissue. He has allergies.

[last cedar]

The Yorkshire dialect is sweet.

[deft pewter]

Maybe. I have no idea what they're saying.

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/chucklevision-barry-elliot-barry-chuckle-thumbs-up-rotherham-gif-16410197

Hahaha

Legend

[deft pewter]

RIP

[lucid bison]

Lmao

[lucid bison]

Omg the chuckle brothers, loved them.

[last cedar]

https://youtu.be/KxF4nIxp8xo

I feel at home

Instantly

What the hell am I doing in Sweden?

[lucid bison]

Lmao

Anyone remember this great show

[deft pewter]

Are you a Yorkshire lass, Michelle?

[last cedar]

Yes

I don't remember that Bingles

[lucid bison]

Mono how have you never seen brah behaving badly

[hallow void]

Hi, I'm a user of Home Assistant for over 2 years, then I stopped using it and now wanted to return with a bigger project. I've tried to make a fresh install of hassio on my PI4 and I'm getting stuck on the "Preparing Home Assistant" landing page, I've waited over 2hours once and still can't get past it, I've followed every step and I'm getting Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec over and over in a loop. Somebody knows how to fix it?

[velvet horizon]

Hass.io was the old name for the appliance like install option, that uses Docker. It was renamed in January 2020 and is now called Home Assistant OS (see #330990055533576204).

Command '~hassio' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[lucid bison]

~offtopic

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

@hallow void There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

If it's a question about the HA Blue start in #330990055533576204. Install related problems go to your Installation Method channel.

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

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Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[clever mortar]

You want the channel mentioned in the other bot message

[lucid bison]

I failed 😑

[hallow void]

Yeah mate I know it's offtopic but its the only place I saw that was possible to post images

[clever mortar]

[velvet horizon]

@hallow void Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images.

Command '~images' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[clever mortar]

So, head to the right place and use an image hosting site

[hallow void]

Ok np

I got it

[clever mortar]

Posting in the wrong place deliberately...

[last cedar]

Yeah. This is the Yorkshire and Raccoon channel

[hallow void]

Sry I've been trying to fix it for a while I'm no longer thinking straight

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-wake-up-sleeping-cute-get-up-gif-16319834

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-retreat-withdraw-bed-hide-gif-18813480

[lucid bison]

Sleeps

[last cedar]

I miss fish and chips

I miss sheep

I miss the social people

[lucid bison]

I had fish and chips yesterday

Scarbados

[deft pewter]

Those are the ones that get close enough to stab you, right?

[last cedar]

Yes

People are so antisocial here in Sweden

[last cedar]

Jealous!!!!!!

[lucid bison]

Lmao

[deft pewter]

That's a coronary waiting to happen.

Deep fried food 🤢

[last cedar]

Not only will it kill you

It tastes amazing the whole time you are dying

[deft pewter]

This is more true for pizza and ice cream.

[last cedar]

Deep fried pizza?

Count me in

[deft pewter]

Tinkerer could sort you out with one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_pizza

[last cedar]

That looks horrifying

[deft pewter]

Pizza Crunch supper. 🤢

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/saturday-night-live-maya-rudolph-snl-the-horror-horrified-gif-4550434

[deft pewter]

It gets worse...

The dish may be served with salt and vinegar, or with "salt and sauce" (a mixture of brown sauce and vinegar)

Salt and sauce? wtf?

[narrow tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/dletter-gif-4355845

[lucid bison]

I've had a deep fried double decker before

It was actually nice

No seriously

You can buy them

[deft pewter]

I believe you. My answer remains the same.

🤢

The Scots will deep fry most things.

[clever mortar]

Pizza crunch is pretty awesome

[forest edge]

wtf deep fries a pizza

[deft pewter]

Tinkerer does.

[forest edge]

that image above doesn't even look like pizza.. like someone sneezed in a box

[fathom sparrow]

Why tho

[forest edge]

why would someone sneeze in a box?

[lucid bison]

The worst thing just happened to me

I put on my headphones

And there was a spider in the ear bit

[young sigil]

Did it lay eggs in your brain?

[hushed basalt]

Once upon a time I was about to put my shoes on indoors. Just part of my normal everyday routine

And for some reason I stopped, and thought, there might be a spider inside

Had a look inside one shoe and there was a little guy there waiting for me

Only time I've ever checked my shoes for spiders before and after. Not counting shoes stored outside.

https://c.tenor.com/nNiIgY_5jjUAAAAM/spiderman-squirrel.gif

[glacial knot]

Why would we want 4 kings?

[deft pewter]

If anyone enjoys building LEGO, I highly recommend the Land Rover Defender model. I've just spent a few hours on the first of four stages and now have a gearbox 😅

Might not finish this build today. I think that'll be a first for me.

[last cedar]

Did someone say raccoons?

Omg no, it was my other trigger word

LEGO

@deft pewter you forgot the pics

[deft pewter]

It's so much fun. And unlike the Porsche one I did a couple of weeks back, the Land Rover actually has stages, complete with numbered bags.

[deft pewter]

The fucking Porsche build was just a case of pouring every piece out on the floor and hoping for the best.

[last cedar]

Some of the lego packed

[glacial knot]

Those aren’t doormats

[deft pewter]

You have a problem 😄

[last cedar]

White or orange one?

[deft pewter]

The white one

[glacial knot]

Is that all ego brand legos, or other manufacturers as well?

[last cedar]

All lego

[deft pewter]

How dare you imply Michelle would buy off-brand.

LEGO or bust.

[glacial knot]

You have too much money 😄

[last cedar]

No, just have no resistance

[glacial knot]

Or that is the reaso. Why you don’t anymore :’D

[deft pewter]

Hah. I think she still does 😂

[deft pewter]

Get money. Spend money.

[glacial knot]

_gets a bunch of researchers to look for organic Superconductors _

[last cedar]

That's probably thr oldest complete kit

[deft pewter]

I remember having a few Technic kits when I was young... I must've forgotten how bad they looked 😂

The new ones are amazing.

[last cedar]

The old ones are super cool

Even if they look shit

[deft pewter]

Yeah, I'm not denying they were fun 😄

I'm just always in awe at some of the clever designs they have for pieces now.

[last cedar]

Looking forward to building it back up

Silent mary was fun

[deft pewter]

Do it

[last cedar]

Got the space ones

Saturn 5, discovery, iss and moon lander

Stranger things

[deft pewter]

It would be quicker for you to list the sets you don't have.

[last cedar]

Mmmmm

[glacial knot]

do you have or plan to have kids?

[last cedar]

Can't have more

Have a 18 year old and an 11 year old

[elfin marten]

Hi everyone

Im trying to connect my home assistant but it gives me and 401 error

[clever mortar]

That sounds like you're in the wrong channel

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

There's no support for Home Assistant here - please look at the other channels for that. If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.

If it's a question about the HA Blue start in #330990055533576204. Install related problems go to your Installation Method channel.

No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

If you found this server and want to know what it's about, start with the web site: https://www.home-assistant.io/

Remember when reporting spam to include a screenshot of the spam and the user's handle (eg @spammer#123)

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[elfin marten]

Meaning IP address?

[clever mortar]

No

Discord channel, as mentioned in the channel topic

(top of the window)

(or swipe in from the side on mobile)

Probably you want #integrations-archived - assuming you have a proxy server

[elfin marten]

Thanks

[clever mortar]

If not you want your install method channel

[bitter pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296353325568229376/876522651730984960/y2mate.com_-_Electric_Avenue_Raccoons_Full_Version_6BWTTovpcQk_360p.mp4 @last cedar

[last cedar]

What am I watching 🦝

Omg!!!!!

[crisp sapphire]

Man why does the EU kill its citizens with such absurd VAT's

[glacial knot]

what? 19% is totally reasonable =.=

[clever mortar]

All governments take taxes to pay for stuff, if it's not being covered in one way it's being covered in another

Lower one tax, increase a few more to balance it out

[glacial knot]

at least VAT also hits others coming over the border to shop 🙂

[low harness]

This is cool! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDQ-sDDqWvk

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeons-and-dragons-roll-dice-roll-roll-initiative-initiative-gif-12155297

[hearty depot]

😻
https://www.pine64.org/2021/08/15/introducing-the-pinenote/

[forest edge]

e ink display HA dashboard...

[hearty depot]

had a https://remarkable.com/ - was underwhelmed due to the storage restriction and the gentle push towards their cloud subscription

thats a big step in the right direction

[hexed lintel]

where can we donate to the HA developers?

[static schooner]

Subscribe to Nabu Casa or sponsor on GitHub

[glacial knot]

More cool toys to collect and do nothing with

[iron glen]

Anyone here understand Flippa.com well? I'm curious if you can sell an internet business on there and then just start a new one, or if they have some kind of non-compete baked into the process

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze https://youtu.be/L6biysGO66s

[tidal bronze]

🤔

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzeif you don't have this yet I will be very disappointed https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-print-models/house/kitchen-dining/cup-thinking

[tidal bronze]

Thanks ordered

[forest edge]

https://emoji.gg/assets/emoji/2419_think_rtx_on.png

[last cedar]

25 in Sweden. And it is 25% extra on stuff, that we pay for with wages, that already have been taxed by 30%

[glacial knot]

42% income tax....

though that's just the marginal rate. I think my effective rate is 23%
I don't like doing the math on it 😄

[last cedar]

Mmm, it is pretty sick tbh.

But it makes the country run, can go to hospital for free if a raccoon bites me for example

[static schooner]

Is there a lot of raccoon-on-raccoon violence?

[last cedar]

Depends whos doormats are worth most

[glacial knot]

oh, insurances (including medical) are on top of that D:

[last cedar]

Not here

But yeah. Living is expensive

[glacial knot]

but better than most parts of the world ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[last cedar]

Yes

[low harness]

And someone will take the kids of your hands during work hours for like $20 a month.
Until school starts at 6 yo, that is. Then it's all for free. I'll gladly pay 25 % VAT for that.

[last cedar]

Yeah exactly

I got my operations for free, about 30k euro otherwise, for example

Pay about 800 euro tax a month plus vat etc

[low harness]

And by "someone" I mean an actual certified Teacher, by the way. With an educational plan and everything.

[glacial knot]

That includes medical cost from what you said. How about unemployment and (basic) retirement plan?

[low harness]

Check on both. Though both can be extended through trade union membership and personal savings respectively.

[glacial knot]

I should move 😂