OJ, gin, bitters. Simple.
#the-water-cooler
deft pewter
winter wren
peace be with you all
dusky plank
no 🤬
deft pewter
I'm not peaceful either 😠
winter wren
make love not war
just quit my job
i feel freee
getting authorised to do legal software consulting
so feel free to contact me regarding ERP CRM BI :)))
deft pewter
getting authorised to do legal software consulting
As opposed to illegal software consulting?
cedar chasm
back-alley software consulting, for people who must pay in cash
cedar chasm
cash, drugs and crypto-currency. the only way to pay for under the table SAP services
deft pewter
I don't want any software in my back alley, thank you very much
winter wren
@deft pewter instead of founding ltd company i chose to make a form of company but for person ...is called authorised physical person
static schooner
you're a physical person?
I figured everyone here was just a collection of pixels
winter wren
the form of company is called like this
cedar chasm
I'm one of those junkyard robots from Transformers the Movie
static schooner
In the US, we often ridicule and malign the fact that corporations are treated like people for the purpose of speech (which includes contributions to political funds)
lunar sundial
In the US, we often ridicule and malign the fact that corporations are treated l...
(which should be made illegal)
lunar sundial
under punishment of death 😉
deft pewter
Random question... HSV values... higher saturation is further from white, right?
dusky plank
right
deft pewter
Ta. Keyboard now has a contrasting backlight on the caps lock again after breaking it before. Didn't brick my keyboard while flashing either, which is a bonus.
late gate
any point buying a mac mini and a macbook pro with the M1 or just a macbook and a dock? I prefer development on osx over windows
dusky plank
hackintosh
static schooner
for me, it comes down to whether you want to have the option of running Windows natively.
late gate
too much tinkering
dusky plank
xps 15 are perfect
static schooner
I got a new MBP last year when they fixed the keyboard and I'm happy with it
deft pewter
Just go with the MBP and a dock/KVM
dusky plank
mac mini = hades canyon NUC,
perfectly transformable to osx machine with https://github.com/osy/HaC-Mini
deft pewter
I dev on a MBP plugged into an ultrawide and it's great.
late gate
I bought a mbp and a mini, but thinking to just return the mini and use the dock
both is top specced with the m1
deft pewter
Look at Mr Money Bags here
static schooner
I have a MBP for mobile and a 6-core Mini for heavier processing, but the MBP can handle pretty much anything I throw at it
static schooner
I'm a little skeptical about compatibility with a first-gen M1
late gate
rather buy a proper monitor
the one thing that annoy me is no regular USB since I use a mouse. and all of them want a dongle
dusky plank
M1 is amazingly good with rosetta and win for arm,
I will wait for the successor for sure though
late gate
I would wait for the next if I could, but it was not or never
*now
Since I moved from Oslo to Stavanger I quit my job and got new equipment on the last month
I have a MBP 15" from 2014 I think and that still is very good, but the fans are running like a jet
grim linden
hi guys, i need samba to set up hacs and my pc cant find HA. can u help me?
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
Not here, no
clever mortar
See your install method channel
grim linden
thanks
late gate
I dont want to do consultant anymore @clear ferry
fallow karma
totally off topic question: if i want another HA server for another location, i need to create second account, right? If not, where is proper channel for ask?
clear ferry
Consultant is the life, they are even creating a new EU position just for me now 🤣
clever mortar
totally off topic question: if i want another HA server for another location, i ...
#cloud-archived if you mean the cloud service
deft pewter
Off-topic? You literally asked about HA 😄
cedar chasm
brutally on-topic
clear ferry
Cloud 🤢
late gate
I usually get 3-4 headhunter calls a week, but it got quiet the last weeks, and today I figured out they was all redirected to the twin sim in the GSM dongle in HA. I just thought it was quiet
clear ferry
🤣
fallow karma
Off-topic? You literally asked about HA 😄
no , i am asking where to ask
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
It tells you there...
If you can't work out which is relevant, start in #general-archived.
clear ferry
I only get headhunter nags on LinkedIn, all other offers come from customers, partners or competing companies managers directly 
fallow karma
Ok, thanks
late gate
I dont reply linkedin
clear ferry
I never have either
late gate
I never had to apply for a job in my life lol
clever mortar
I get a regular flow on LinkedIn, but it's rarely interesting stuff
dusky plank
nice to see that everyone else also boykotts linkedin requests
late gate
I kinda feel its a bit scammy when people from Uk want to hire in another country
clear ferry
I haven't applied for any actually, I just ask and get
clever mortar
Eh, I get some interesting ones occasionally. I've responded to those
clear ferry
Yeah, I get 2-3 interesting a year, directly
clever mortar
Not that California or Dubai really appealed TBH
late gate
Im going to take a break and work on my own company for a while
then I will find a non consultant job
late gate
I had it for 14 years
late gate
I usually just do development, wordpress plugins and crap like that
clear ferry
🤢
late gate
desperate people throw like 6000usd for a wordpress plugin
im concidering going with firefox than the default chrome. so much better debugging
css debugging is so much more verbose
dusky plank
meh, chromium for me. without google shifu
late gate
I actually got a request to make a program for IE6
I said no
lol
chromium, still a mem hog?
I used opera before (ofc since its a norwegian company), but kinda fell off
lapis cipher
chrome, some 300 tabs, 10% cpu, 7 GB..
clear ferry
Couldn't care less with 48 GB ram in the laptop anyway
lapis cipher
the software does care, that's da problem..
dusky plank
they each change every half year, firefox and chrome still fight the same problem
lapis cipher
yeah, as long as i just can remember, always the same
late gate
un at 1gb with 6 in firefox, though one is facebook so what a shock. I sometimes wonder if fb is running crypto mining
lapis cipher
i know i have baaaad habbit of collecting tabs, they contain all sorts of interesting things i want to read or check but have hard time finding the time for that..
dusky plank
bookmarks
clear ferry
I usually close 400 tabs every day
dusky plank
it's a thing
lapis cipher
i was about to say i use tabs as bookmarks.. and then if i close them i bookmark them and last time i've even looked into bookmarks was.. last year
dusky plank
that one time opera mobile just proxied every request through their servers to serve you a "mobile friendly" page...
bruh
late gate
I guess they got better
Im not using opera so I should not say anything, just heard they had god tab management
Im keeping it neet. news, home assistant, client software, figma, developer stuff
Chrome is CRAP with wordpress development. Its so slow is unusuable
safari is the next IE6
dusky plank
it's brave or chromium for me, have to try vivaldi yet
late gate
doesnt hurt to try it
can run tor :p
now I used 6 months tried 1 password, dashlane, lastpass and bitwarden (cloud hosted)
guess what I landed on?
clever mortar
Butter side down...
glacial knot
keepass
lapis cipher
been using it for years, i don't know all the others but i can't find much complaining about it (thought i don't use it super-advanced either)
late gate
yeah I will use bitwarden
but have anyone with Aguard Home DNS on HA see that chrome ignore DNS? I DHCP out adguard as primary, router as second, then google as third, but chrome refuse to use any other dns than 8.8.8.8
so it wont block ads through the dns service
works fine in all other browsers except chrome
lapis cipher
we had lenghty discussion about that here some 2-3 months ago, scroll up 😄
late gate
oh
dusky plank
chrome 🤮
chromium 💯
lapis cipher
there were good facts and things i didn't know about all that stuff, it was a good conversation i recall, mostly at least, compared to normal nonsense 😄
late gate
yeah im done with chrome, but need it to test webdesign
dusky plank
https://chromium.woolyss.com/
get your chrome without google here
late gate
but not my daily driver
clear ferry
Just do Netscape navigator you bunch of twats
dusky plank
M.O.S.A.I.C
late gate
omg noobs. lynx ftw
dusky plank
there was actually a fairly recent cli browser released, let me see if I can find it
late gate
I acutally had to use it one time
not for daily driver, but to get something
but what can I say some is stupid enough to use vi over nano (hiding)
late gate
hehehehe
deft pewter
You're still angry you couldn't figure out how to quit.
dusky plank
dusky plank
i usually :wq!
deft pewter
Ctrl+Z and forget about it.
clever mortar
ZZ
deft pewter
Sorry, are we boring you?
late gate
I just done setting up cloudlinux. what a nagging piece of software
dusky plank
on a macbook M1
deft pewter
Since all the dev nerds are out in force tonight... does this look like valid C? I want to have an array of themes, where each theme has 3 colours:
typedef struct {
uint8_t primary[3];
uint8_t secondary[3];
uint8_t ternary[3];
} colour_theme;
const colour_theme PROGMEM themes[] = {
[_WINDOWS] = { CYAN, AZURE, PINK },
[_MAC] = {},
[_LIGHTS_MEDIA] = {},
};```mm gopher, no stupid multimedia all over the place but facts, pure facts (must be since they were in the internet)
deft pewter
Second and third are incomplete, just toying with the structure.
dusky plank
that is some very abstract C
deft pewter
I should probably mention that the colours referenced are HSV values (triplets of numbers)
lapis cipher
i thought the third is tertiary, not ternary but i guess i learned yet another new word to my vocabulary (it still has holes)
deft pewter
There'll be other code that runs later that checks the currently set theme and picks out the colours.
deft pewter
i thought the third is tertiary, not ternary but i guess i learned yet another n...
Aha. I thought I'd written tertiary 😄 It's late.
Both are words but tertiary is correct here.
lapis cipher
wasn't suppose to pick on words, i thought it was correct use, could be also bad translation for me.. 🙂
glacial knot
Does that stay assignment/initialization work that way? I’ve never done it with induces to apply to
deft pewter
I've got a grand total of 3 hours experience with C so far, so I have no idea 😄
Structs and all these C-types are new to me. I normally work in the wild west with JS.
dusky plank
looks like the simplified arduino C, but then again I only learned ++
glacial knot
I also recommend doing the { .primary = CYAN, .secondary = AZURE, .ternary = PINK } style. But I don't know if it's required tbh. Probably works by order as well
deft pewter
By order seems to work based on other code I'm using as a guide, just means having to reference by array index instead. I'm happy to change it to named entries, since it'll be easier to reason with later.
It's going to be used in a routine like this: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/BdmkD3mR6G/. I'm just going to adapt set_layer_color to differentiate between different groupings of keys and set primary/secondary/tertiary accordingly.
dusky plank
deft pewter
At the moment, it's just looking at a 1:1 mapping of LED colours to keys.
lapis cipher
christ, you are writing a firmware to your new keyboard?
deft pewter
Aye 😄
lapis cipher
looked at that pastebin and realized 😄
deft pewter
I've figured out a lot of the logic and custom functionality already. Just trying to write colour themes now for when it's in different modes.
This is how verbose it is currently with the LED map: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/XmMv9pPW3M/
I want to remove all that and handle it in a function that just knows about theme colours.
glacial knot
Looks qmk ish
deft pewter
Bingo!
lapis cipher
i mean, heh, cool, i did read earlier about that stuff, i was wtf'ed with the keyboard fw.. But then realized there's been lots more discussions all the way to building one from scratch.. gosh 🙂
deft pewter
Haha. Yeah... some people even wire them up themselves. I bought a premade one and just want to customise the logic.
glacial knot
I need to contine working on my keeb+firmware...
deft pewter
keeb 🤢
late gate
I have a rgb clicky click on my gaming
my brother saw it and almost throwed up
everyone know RGB upgrade a 1080 to 3090TI
deft pewter
I hate RGB for the sake of RGB. I've already undefined all the animations in my firmware and replaced things with simple, static colours... even then, it's only so I know which mode it's in (I've made it so I can toggle between Mac and Windows layout)
deft pewter
Yeah, subtle is better.
lapis cipher
i hear you, i just want white to actually see the keys in the dark, not any disco to my table
late gate
on my next setup I will not run a KVM, but a USB switch and just change input on the monitor
I just have the feeling a KVM slow down video :,p
deft pewter
Why not get a monitor with built-in KVM? 😉
lapis cipher
n previous laptops have had that, my keyboards have been.. well, random, haven't bought one myself just about ever so i use what i get..
late gate
could be an interessting one
the one monitor I been most happy with in my life is a Dell monitor that was 16:20 - used it for maya. excellent picture, build quality and such. Now I use it vertical 10 years later
deft pewter
I'm really happy with this. Got it almost a year ago when it became obvious I'd be working from home a while 😄
late gate
Its a year since I moved here (almost) and the office is so messy I get heartburn thinking about sorting it. Its litterally 10 moving boxes with components
things like esp and such
clear ferry
Eh, if this new job works out I'll probably move too
late gate
I really want to find a good way to oraganize stuff like this
you know when you need an esp and never find it
clear ferry
I just do electronics shelves and misc boxes
lapis cipher
i've got smartstore boxes for that stuff
late gate
Im bad at putting stuff back :p
lapis cipher
home/classis 1-3 mostly, i did the cleanup semi-recently and i am happier with the setup now, could label them better still..
lapis cipher
requires discipline but its so nice to find tools and stuff from their right places next time
late gate
I dont have a choice. my office looks like the houses you see on hoarders. its like a path to the computer with stuff on both sides
lapis cipher
my office was the same not too long ago, just a collection of boxes with "important" stuff in them
late gate
I also need to get up the outside cameras, but waiting for some better weather.
btw. have anyone tried to pull a fiberoptic in a 16mm electrical tubing that has 2x 1,5mm2 cable? I have one room I cant pull a cat to, but a fiberoptic should go
lapis cipher
heh, stop reading my task list 😄
i need to pull few cables for cameras, new stuff. Oh i also need new switch, running out of ports
late gate
I have everything I need
bought new outside switches too
but if you seen the weather here you would understand
its almost hurricane with rain and snow
not a outside weather
glacial knot
Boo. I’m not dumb
lapis cipher
weather coming here for tomorrow, shame as we are in the middle of cutting down the tree :/
late gate
im running unifi, and it works decent
the last firmwares improved a lot
wpa3 etc
but its not my fault the neigbour got 15-20 ap points
so I prefer cable
whats the point with gbit fiber on wifi?
when thats said. Any norwegians here with altibox that got access to the native IPV6?
hollow glacier
fyi nerds looks like cloudflare is having issues
if anyone is using their free proxy service be warned
hushed basalt
You're right
hollow glacier
hushed basalt
I couldn't access a CF site last night
subtle pasture
hollow glacier
anecdotal ofc
subtle pasture
Intel graphics cards, incoming 👀
late gate
cloudflare free isnt really good. will give slower sites, horrible caching and not even slave zone unless you pay alot pr domain
I rather run CF without proxy and enable proxy if attack and amazon cdn
for me who use litespeed I like quick.clock cdn
hollow glacier
their free plan seems to have gotten worse over time
but i like it cuz i can geoipblock (allow us ips only) as a first line of defense
cant hurt
late gate
they want you up on paid
They wanted 10k USD upfront just for me to install the cpanel plugin, because you had to be a partner
getting greedy
@hollow glacier remember when you proxy you dual route the TTFB and get a hard hit on google if you want ranking
hollow glacier
ah i just use it for self hosting
for my legal downloads and self hosted cloud and such
no actual public sites lol
late gate
anyone can suggest a a wireless mouse that does not require a dongle? (NOT apple magic mouse crap)
winter wren
any bt mouse...microsoft
hollow glacier
i just got this email from cf btw.
dusky plank
the ms mouse works nicely with osx
hollow glacier
i'll use logitech mice until the day i die
although i will admit the buttons suck compared to their older mice
late gate
but they require that dongle
macs doesnt have ports anymore
I use logitech on my gaming rig
I have a magic mouse, used it one day and dont understand people loving it
deft pewter
I hate the magic mouse 😂 It's been in my bag since the day they gave it to me.
The magic keyboard is okay but only because it takes so little space.
static schooner
I love Apple trackpads and have a couple Magic trackpads
all versions of the magic mouse are garbage
late gate
and it still get number 1 on reviews
deft pewter
I think the fanboys just coordinate that and spam review sites.
It's a cool idea, it's just a crappy item. Who the hell decided the charging port should be on the bottom?
late gate
I never came as far to charging it so I would not know :p
gusty spade
Oh boi, prepare for a ton of newbies flooding in. LTT is going to release a video about a HA-setup
deft pewter
LTT?
deft pewter
I thought they'd retired 😮
deft pewter
gusty spade
Oh, that one.
That was a low-point, but the company was already to big to fail
video includes IFTTT rant. nice.
deft pewter
IFTTT 🤢
gusty spade
I genuinely don't really get how they (IFTTT) got so big... Joined a few years in to try it and they had just changed the interface and nothing made any sense at all.
Did I miss the golden years?
hushed basalt
but they require that dongle
My logitech mouse is bluetooth
hushed basalt
I genuinely don't really get how they (IFTTT) got so big... Joined a few years i...
They came up before the big tech companies had their own smart home thing working
gusty spade
They came up before the big tech companies had their own smart home thing workin...
that's what I figured, yeah. Thanks for clarifying.
obsidian breach
Hi folks! The Supervisor tab offered me the option to upgrade to HA OS 5.12 yesterday, which I did, but I haven't yet been offered the opportunity to upgrade to 2021.4. I did reboot the host today to see if that might help, but I still haven't seen an offer. Any ideas?? Thanks!
deft pewter
shy comet
we dont give those ideas in here 😛
deft pewter
And please read topics, #the-water-cooler is for... off-topic stuff (non-HA)
obsidian breach
Sorry.
hushed basalt
forest edge
Oh boi, prepare for a ton of newbies flooding in. LTT is going to release a vide...
uh oh. so which of their team has came in here or the forums asking for tips? lol
static schooner
So true
amber shard
Oh boi, prepare for a ton of newbies flooding in. LTT is going to release a vide...
Is it on floatplane now?
yep
forest edge
@clear ferry found your next project to work on https://youtu.be/oNB-VddAX4o
amber shard
10 minutes into the video before HA is actually mentioned, haha
oh lord they go into the whole google assistant HA integration thing
gusty spade
10 minutes into the video before HA is actually mentioned, haha
What else would one be using HA for? 😛
amber shard
I was using it for home/away automation for a time before google added proper routine support
gusty spade
You... switched back to Google?
amber shard
No but that's why I started using HA in the first place as presence based automation wasn't possible
gusty spade
Pfeew, you had me there.
subtle pasture
I loled
clear ferry
@forest edge i love diy, and I love percussion
Maybe you are right
@subtle pasture 
clear ferry
ah, gonna order a compost bin to compost garden stuff
there is quite a bit from grass and my greenhouse per annum
lapis cipher
i burn the most, chicken coops cause plenty of shit, difficult to get rid off, sawdust and such doesn't compost too well
i do have few composts for leafs and grass stuff but it takes like 2 years to get something out so it piles up badly..
i mean those cages and such, not a real device with entitites 😄
young sigil
there is quite a bit from grass and my greenhouse per annum
Grass does not compost well unless you mix in a lot of brown dry leaf litter type stuff.
clear ferry
Indeed, and I have tons of that too
And I have hedges that I trim and crush so that supposedly helps the grass compost too
forest edge
i do have few composts for leafs and grass stuff but it takes like 2 years to ge...
gotta churn it every so often. not sure what the average temps are where you live but leaf/grass compost make great areas for getting some of the best worms for fishing.
lapis cipher
gotta churn it every so often. not sure what the average temps are where you liv...
There's plenty of worms alright, my kid is turning the ground on daily basis and finds tons of worms for chickens 🙂
clear ferry
lapis cipher
i just watched that movie..
also watched, dump & dumber + sequel, bad santa + sequel, borat, hot tub time machine - well wasted time 😄
clear ferry
hot tub time machine is quite good actually
hushed basalt
If you want a good metric you can put a temp probe in your pile and monitor the temps. Jf it's too cold you're off.
Everything will compost eventually but it just depends on if you want to wait months or years
clear ferry
for a comedy
hushed basalt
Yeah it's not bad
Do they make comedies like that anymore
I don't really watch movies but I can't remember any mainstream MA rated mainstream american comedies
clear ferry
I seldom watch comedies
lapis cipher
had my scifi/space mood and then moved to lighter topics, gonna try to watch all that shit away so i can move to next genre..
forest edge
If you want a good metric you can put a temp probe in your pile and monitor the ...
you youngins and your fancy smancy modern equipment lol
lapis cipher
yeah, just pick the shovel and turn that shit
forest edge
Lazy is what it is. Businesses don't even measure temps they just go off time tables lol
hushed basalt
Business with millions of tonnes of repeatable procedures vs hobby gardener learning as they go
Do you have a tachometer on your car
Or a temperature gauhe
pseudo glen
does anyone have visual studio code running on docker container configured with Home Assistant Config Helper? i don't seem to be able to make it work
forest edge
no just a light that indicates if i am in forward or reverse gear. bells and whistles break too soon
clear ferry
yes, I tested that a few weeks ago, and it worked fine @pseudo glen
pseudo glen
can you help me a bit with it pls?
lapis cipher
on-topic alert! magic forbidden words mentioned 😄
clear ferry
lapis cipher
what a crappy weather, thanks to everyone sending it here, no cutting tree today, high wind and raining 😦
clear ferry
oh shit, my database migration has so far taken 1 minute
but I'm only running it on a 4core celeron right now
clever mortar
I plan on dropping anything older than 24 hours before I upgrade, since I don't really care about anything older than that anyway
dusky plank
it will explode @ 3 minutes
dusky plank
almost 5g here
clear ferry
not that bad, events are 2.8 and states are 1.4
five minutes and counting
the DB is remote from the server though, running on my truenas
6 minutes and counting!
did the database run job be programmed to run in serial and throttled to not explode shitty SBCs ? 😄
dusky plank
pi faster than celeron 🥳
clear ferry
9 minutes on the 2.8G events, so that should mean 4.5 minutes on 1.4G states
maybe
😄
lapis cipher
this would have been nice to test in advance to see some numbers, there's been quite a few support cases around the topic and its all guessing
clever mortar
The problem is, it's about the hardware and database config. If somebody's done it right - SSDs, multiple disks, database tuned - then it'll be quick. If somebody's on SQLite on a slow Pi2... 💤
There's always a massive range of possibilities, and the folks that keep a year's worth of data don't help
lapis cipher
yeah but guideline numbers can always be collected and some stupid math applied on top of those to get estimations
too late anyways already so no need to speculate that further 🙂
dusky plank
metrics will be collected in next migration rollout. analytics will be f# again 😄
clear ferry
Oh yeah, I was gonna deploy those 25000 instances of core with ansible
dusky plank
i wondered how one can spoof report fake installs to analytics
clear ferry
python isn't doing much though, two processes with 18% CPU usage
lapis cipher
huoh, i cannot join to domain because i am already joined to domain but i cannot leave domain because i don't have computer account in domain, fts
was in a wrong place at the wrong time and this shit was dropped to my table.. 😦
clear ferry
def seems like a staggered process to do the upgrade
neither disk \ network or cpu is overloaded
on either end
dusky plank
slow storage
clear ferry
SSD on both sides
dusky plank
hm
clever mortar
I know that if you watch what the purge process does it does it hour by hour
lapis cipher
similar case was yesterday, atx-sized setup with ssd's and 7 day purge and it took like an hour
lapis cipher
you should, i don't see how you can manage it now with only 20 cores, that's like torture
clear ferry
lapis cipher
yeah, pi 3 with sd can perfectly run all + frigate too
glacial knot
run it on a cluster of 4 pi1
clear ferry
dusky plank
pi1 not cluster able 😢
clear ferry
Definitivly scales with size in my setup
all edits on events take 9-10 minutes
all on states take 4-5 minutes
and they are roughly 2x of one another
lapis cipher
ffs, transfer bill for electricity for the last 3 months is 450 eur
clear ferry
lololol wtf
it has been expensive here too since christmas
but not that expensive
Paid €350 in january, and €300 in febuary
compared to €40 some months last year
lapis cipher
that's topped with the sellers price, i should do some graphs or something but Caruna doesn't to my knowledge have any API for fetching real metrics
glacial knot
pi1 not cluster able 😢
with software and a lot of pain tolerance everything is possible
lapis cipher
before these realtime meters the sum was divided over year so winter bills were not that bad
"realtime" - no idea how often they are actually reporting values or being polled, i think i can get hourly graphs out of it
noble pivot
before these realtime meters the sum was divided over year so winter bills were ...
Here you often get to choose, pay for what you actually use per month or pay yearly estimated use/12.
lapis cipher
can't remember anymore if there was a chance to affect that, there used to be
clear ferry
Interesting, after upgrading to 2021.04 google notified me that all my devices are unlinked, am I being forced over to #cloud-archived ? 😄
lapis cipher
wish i got those out via api...
red'ish are taxes, light blue actual used electricity cost and dark blue fixed base cost.
hmm found some promising looking go code, unfortunately from 2016.. No skills on go but could give it a shot if it can still do anything
dusky plank
I usw the Shopping list Integration, get a notification when i get near a market
tropic aspen
Not sure at all on which channel should I even ask this question, but would it be possible to get the "Trace" into scripts as well? I mean the same trace that you currently implemented into Automations.
velvet horizonBOT
deft pewter
If in doubt, #general-archived
hushed basalt
If in doubt ping @clear ferry for all your support queries
glacial knot
and suggestions of low price Hardware to run HA on
deft pewter
@clear ferry What version of Pi should I use to run my Minecraft server on?
dusky plank
the one with 64 cores
deft pewter
Ah, a Pi cluster then.
glacial knot
Boo, violence
deft pewter
Pi 4 is 4 core, right? So I only need 16 of them?
glacial knot
The 1GB variant should be fine. But take 32
Why do you have the pandas when you aren’t on bahroos discord? :0
clear ferry
hushed basalt
Laughs in Ryzen
dusky plank
when will atx have a hpe appolo 80 at home?
late gate
Should i get up from bed?
clear ferry
After aquiring crotch goblins I have become a morning person
late gate
I took the dogs out at 4 and fell asleep
Outside
I still prefer waking up at 2-3 and sleep at 3-4
Am
clear ferry
I used to, now it is to bed at 23-24 and up at 5-7
late gate
Grandpa
glacial knot
D: Micro-ITX then?
orchid rose
office is basically just a long series of memes
ocean mirage
It’s not great but it’s not horrible
dusky plank
i have never seen memes
ocean mirage
Fairly easy to watch for the most part
glacial knot
I thought British one is supposed to be the good one
deft pewter
I downloaded S1 of The Office US last night. I keep seeing clips and it looks funnier than most American comedies.
I can't stand Gervais, so I'm not interested in the UK one
ocean mirage
British one is hard to watch, I’m sure it has it’s qualities, but it’s mean to be cringe humour and it does it too well
Also yeah Gervais is a fuckwit
deft pewter
Gervais is all cringe humour. I know there are different types of comedy but I don't see how he's appealling.
deft pewter
Ah, edgy... so much better 🤔
clear ferry
Gervais is funny, when with Karl Pilkington
deft pewter
But that's not Gervais being funny, that's Gervais there as a narrator to Pilkington being funny.
clear ferry
True
deft pewter
Anyone could've been the asshole. It's the Pilkington+1 show.
ocean mirage
I didn’t mind the show he had recently about being suicidal, but I was mad the whole time about enjoying one of his shows
ocean mirage
Yeah
green inlet
The serpent on Netflix 🎉
clear ferry
deft pewter
hushed basalt
British one is hard to watch, I’m sure it has it’s qualities, but it’s mean to b...
I hate cringe humour. Esp Gervais cringe humour
The Extras was awful
ocean mirage
I never saw much of extras
hushed basalt
The non gervais bits were okay
ocean mirage
Patrick Stewart was on it once and did well
hushed basalt
But cringe is not funny imo
ocean mirage
For the most part agree
ocean mirage
Probably exceptions for me
clear ferry
I loved blunt talk
hushed basalt
Patrick stewart is dead to me after that Picard trainwreck
deft pewter
Get out!
ocean mirage
I haven’t seen Picard yet
deft pewter
I loved Picard. Completely different show to most Star Treks but it was enjoyable. Can't wait for S2.
deft pewter
I'm not a massive fan of all of them. DS9 can burn in hell.
clear ferry
Ds9 is... Ok background noise
deft pewter
Unlike you, I wasn't born in time to enjoy the original airing of TOS either.
clear ferry
But it ain't no its beeeeeen a loooong roooad
ocean mirage
DS9 is the best one
clear ferry
deft pewter
DS9 is the best one
ocean mirage
I’m going through voyager now
DS9 just had the best characters and character development, maybe lacking in other areas but that’s what I like
deft pewter
I think my favourite is Discovery. There, I said it.
grim linden
can someone help me on #330990055533576204 ?
deft pewter
Someone will help when someone wants to help. This isn't the place to ask for help and 'reminding' people to go check out that channel will just annoy people.
We're all volunteers here, we help for free in our own time and on our own terms.
It's also only been 6 minutes since you posted. Have a little patience.
grim linden
It's also only been 6 minutes since you posted. Have a little patience.
okay okay
deft pewter
Still Star Trek but breaks some of the rules and does its own thing. Mirror universe was kinda lame but I've enjoyed the rest of the arcs.
Not many characters I hate either, which is better than most shows. Tilly's probably the only one that gets on my nerves but her character works well with the stories.
dusky plank
deft pewter
You disagree? You're wrong.
lapis cipher
Teal'c is great on Discovery
ocean mirage
Voyager certainly has the best start of the series I have seen
S1 of TNG and DS9 were rough
clear ferry
Riker without a beard is rough
clear ferry
hushed basalt
DS9 is the best one
This
modest wing
Hello. As home assistant is becoming mission critical in my house, I would like to ensure continuity of service in case of hardware failure of the PC I run it on
ocean mirage
Mood
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
Wrong channel 😉
modest wing
which one then ?
hushed basalt
Jadzia is forever queen
clever mortar
The topic says if you don't know, ask in #general-archived
You probably want to start in your install method channel
hushed basalt
No other Trek women can compare
ocean mirage
The whole season 7 thing with dax played out very interesting, despite the shitty reasons it happened
hushed basalt
I skimmed season 7
Rick Berman axing Jadzia, replacing her with childwoman, more prophets crap, eh
dusky plank
oh, phil is really ded now
deft pewter
Yeah 😦
I know people have mixed feelings about the royal family but he seemed alright.
clever mortar
One of the few jobs where you're born into it, whether you're suited for it or not
clear ferry
He... Definitely didn't seem quite right, but that is another discussion, but he could have played gollum that is for sure
amber shard
he certainly hasn't looked like a person who continued to be alive for quite a while now
who is next in line now?
dusky plank
trump? biden?
glacial knot
They should just give the crown back to Scotland
amber shard
oh wait, he was never in line, it's still prince charles
amber shard
idk, I'm sure he's on a trauma team platinum plan as well
ocean mirage
He was certainly a horrible person
dusky plank
i just see high fives all over social media 🙏🏼
deft pewter
oh wait, he was never in line, it's still prince charles
Yeah, he wasn't king, so he was never in line. He was king consort or whatever the title is of someone that marries the reigning monarch.
It'll pass all the way down through Charles and then each generation's firstborn, right?
clear ferry
So you are fourth in line then
deft pewter
IE warlords who pillaged far enough back they're worshipped
Pillaging in the past is better than still pillaging now 🤷♂️ I hear Morrison's a great leader...
clear ferry
Aaaah, being A chronic finger nibbler and hand sanitizer is a horrible combo btw
ocean mirage
It would be a lot more tempting if it wasnt cold and if you didnt have the whole weeks of darkness thing
clear ferry
ocean mirage
Can norway just move here and replace australia
clear ferry
Only up north there is perpetual darkness
deft pewter
I remember seeing a documentary about that. It's scary. The vampires come out and can't be stopped for a whole month
ocean mirage
well the cold alone then
tidal bronze
@green inlet happy Friday! 😆
green inlet
Can’t come soon enough. How you been ? I have been very busy lately and not on home assistant discord much. Trying to get back in the swing.
tidal bronze
Been great. Been busy as well. Getting back to HA as well. Gotta fine tune few things. 🙂
green inlet
It never ends 🤪
tidal bronze
Well didn't touch anything for 6 to 7 months. Runs perfect. Gets boring lol
mild dome
So I got a MyQ garage door opener as a gift and thought surely it can't be as bad as people say
It just took 12 minutes to notify me that my garage door had opened
Looks like I have a project coming up lol
orchid rose
it uses homing pigeons as the protocol?
mild dome
That might be giving it too much credit
last cedar
Cold 🤢. Star Trek 🤢. Kings 🤢. Yoga pants 🥰
Yoga pants are sick
hushed basalt
This could turn nsfw quickly
deft pewter
I was disappointed when I found out that hot yoga is just yoga in a really hot room 😢
hushed basalt
green inlet
Yoga pants are sick
I KNOW RIGHT
dusky plank
lapis cipher
just watched that movie
storm summit
1 in 6700 people are running my lighting system. 😦 so lonely
static schooner
Is it you?
clever mortar
Of the people who've upgraded and enabled the stats
static schooner
If you are, maybe check the logs to see if it’s being reported properly
storm summit
Is it you?
yea
storm summit
apparently no one uses the nmap tracker
really? that doesnt seem right
deft pewter
Well NMAP sucks so that's not surprising 😄
storm summit
looking throught these stats is pretty cool. I didn't even realize some of these integrations existed.
deft pewter
I'd expect to see more people using router or Bluetooth integrations for presence.
clear ferry
Will we get stats for custom components too?
deft pewter
Well there are thousands of integrations 😄
deft pewter
I can see how many users I have
Are there dozens of you?
storm summit
I know. custom would be nice too.
dusky plank
I'd expect to see more people using router or Bluetooth integrations for presenc...
openwrt / luci is also used by 0 peoples apparently
static schooner
Custom components are being sent, but I don’t think they’re in the stats yet. Some concern about rude names polluting the data
At least I saw the PR for custom
dusky plank
what log level is needed for the reporting output?
storm summit
amazon_polly shows 0 but i have it enabled. i know others must as well.
static schooner
Info, I guess. That’s my default
dusky plank
what does such line look like? I don't see none
static schooner
A large JSON dict
dusky plank
storm summit
is tuya really cloud polling like the docs say?
seems like cloud polling integrations should be lower on the list 🙂
deft pewter
Go leave feedback on the forums if you'd like to see changes. This isn't the channel to discuss HA.
It's literally the only channel that's supposed to be a place for us to talk anything but HA.
storm summit
It's literally the *only* channel that's supposed to be a place for us to talk ...
then why you talking about analytics?
deft pewter
Did I start that? Nope.
storm summit
Did I start that? Nope.
Did you continue that?
deft pewter
Sod off.
My bad for saying NMAP sucks or joking about atx's users. Hardly about HA, is it?
👋
storm summit
this channel says no support. if you want a channel to not talk about HA then ask for a new one.
sod off
deft pewter
is tuya really cloud polling like the docs say?
Sounds like a support question. Take it to a support channel.
storm summit
then don't answer
deft pewter
All I've done is ask you to follow some simple guidance and keep things in their proper channels. 🤷♂️
Either do it or don't. I'm done.
storm summit
I'm not going to channel jump while i'm browsing analytics.
glacial knot
Say mono, do you have stereo audio in your setup?
deft pewter
My setup? Like at my desk?
Cos you know how I'm going to respond if you ask about my HA setup here 😄
glacial knot
Desk, livingroom, whatever
deft pewter
Yeah, I have a pair of bookshelf speakers in my study to listen while I'm working.
Replaced a 16 year old surround sound kit with something a little nicer.
glacial knot
your name is a lie 😮
clear ferry
Custom components are being sent, but I don’t think they’re in the stats yet. So...
What do you mean my crotch_goblin_counter Integration isn't good enough?
deft pewter
It also means 'monkey' in Spanish and is a nickname for a disease 😄
glacial knot
does it provide discovery?
green inlet
For those following along: 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/sod-off
lapis cipher
oh, i googled for that and found wrong answers
deft pewter
It's an affectionate term, honest.
glacial knot
oh, it's not common vocublary?
lapis cipher
you all talk so weird words i'm in trouble
lapis cipher
mono in finnish is btw ski boot
deft pewter
you all talk so weird words i'm in trouble
Am gan yem
lapis cipher
(monot would be plural)
clear ferry
Saatana
lapis cipher
haha, i was almost about to say "atx comes in a moment to shine with his finnish" and couldn't be more right 😄
clear ferry
Perkele 🐔
lapis cipher
anyways keep those memes and images coming, my goal is to watch all the movies they've made from
clear ferry
deft pewter
Event Horizon? I loved that movie.
glacial knot
Do they actually have a language? Or just make up funny words on the go?
deft pewter
If you don't like it, you can Suomi.
orchid rose
What is it with brits and their bad puns 😄
clear ferry
deft pewter
Do I at least score points for knowing how Suomi is even pronounced? Most Brits wouldn't.
glacial knot
The same as Xiaomi, right?
clear ferry
If you can pronounce kointapeilla I'll throw you a fish
dusky plank
give me that fish
glacial knot
I always thought Qi was 'kee'
Just say IQ and reverse the record
deft pewter
That does not look appetising
dusky plank
fishy fishy fishy
glacial knot
looks like it got a lighter form of the blob fish exploding
clear ferry
If I get it on the hook I usually throw it on the road
It's just bones
And poison
If it get this one I cut the line
deft pewter
Is that your sister?
deft pewter
That fish is both of your sisters? 🤔
dusky plank
it's hot dog day today 🌭
dusky plank
community highlights leaked 😎
deft pewter
An oldie but a goodie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbNymZ7vqY
low prawn
community highlights leaked 😎
I was lucky to click on the link 😄 😄
cosmic oak
I just about fell over laughing just now
Thanks grafana
Thanks.
I'm going to uh... ... give me a second to change my interpolation settings
🤣
low harness
Oh, it's a cubic interpolation?
I saw a youtube video yesterday where the graph very clearly moved backwards at one point and I wanted to ask about that... but who reads youtube comments?
orchid rose
But thanks to a new custom integration from leikoilja, it’s now possible to integrate alarms or timers that you have set up on a Google Home device. 🎉 🥳 🎆
green inlet
Kismet integration aka Racoon Tracker integration. I can assume all raccoons have Bluetooth and/or WiFi correct.
subtle pasture
If Comic Sans were a graph...
orchid rose
depends on if they've been vaccinated or not
last cedar
Yeah, everyone who is vaccinated has a tracker
Same as the people who take corona vaccine
bitter pawn
rfid tech right?
late gate
If you ever go to china be polite and say "cao ni ma de bi" and everyone will love you. First day I lived in China I said it to everyone
hearty depot
Meaning?
orchid rose
Actually I read that you become a 5G antenna if you take the vaccine
That was so incredibly dumb, but I don't even know how someone came up with it
late gate
@hearty depot that is a right of passage to know
static schooner
if it helps me get better cell coverage 🤷
you're an antenna...and you're an antenna...and...
orchid rose
Yeah I don't know what the downside would be
orchid rose
Sounds like the marketing team isn't doing their job with this
late gate
Do most of you make one set of ssh keys on each device or make one and share it between your own devices (like a public key)
clever mortar
Or, better, SSH CA
orchid rose
Why am I running to Scrubs everywhere nowadays... I really need to rewatch it
Such a great show. Edit: oh no, it's not available in HD 👀
late gate
Im working on moving things to vlan, setting 2fa and ssh keys where I can
with too many data breaches I need to be more secure (not at my stuff)
lapis cipher
i don't see any added benefit of having multiple keys, those servers would contain your public key only anyways
late gate
I have to admit I share the public key with me 3 laptops just to make it simpler
add one authkey
lapis cipher
yes, share the public, you can even copypaste it here, we do nothing with it without the private key
lapis cipher
you need both
clever mortar
You keep the private key, the public key goes to the systems you want to log in to
That's kinda how it works 😉
lapis cipher
are you maybe confused on how the pub key auth is supposed to work?
late gate
yes I agree
velvet horizonBOT
late gate
no I do get the principal
lapis cipher
so its safe to drop your public keys anywhere, take extra care of your private and of course have it pw protected also
late gate
I just wondered if you guys generated a set of keys on each machine and added all to the servers auth keys
lapis cipher
should you automate something over ssh, then generate another keypair
hearty depot
also diffie hellman part?
clever mortar
I use an SSH CA
static schooner
Bob and Alice sure do have a lot of stuff to talk about
late gate
and of course off port 22
install one server on digital ocean, let it stay for 30 minutes and you have 200 tries on login from bots
lapis cipher
no generating any keys on any servers unless necessary for some automation that originates from that server
dusky plank
none of them have the correct priv/public combo
hearty depot
install one server on digital ocean, let it stay for 30 minutes and you have 200...
Thats why you install fail2ban 🤣
lapis cipher
backup from server could be one use-case that needs keys to access some other server, for these cases create new keypair so that should need arise you can just "revoke" those
hearty depot
I use an SSH CA
how you handle revokes?
I looked into setting up a CA, but where to lazy so far
late gate
Im getting better, but still admit I have more to learn
dusky plank
you have a 10k budget for monitors hombre
lapis cipher
said "revoke" as you can just ditch and create new ones
hearty depot
already shared this, but after basicaly everyone owns a ssh key already, https://github.com/FiloSottile/age/
I just love it
late gate
guess only for private use?
hearty depot
with a CA you got 2 keys,
A CA and a regular key
with the CA you singe the public key and you get a certificate
Then you use the personal private key certificate combo to login into the server
I got a walk throu example around
late gate
so for example if i wanted to remove the no certificate error in ha that is hosted by ip I can create a certificate for it?
or do I need a domain name?
Its allowed to ask to learn :p
lapis cipher
certs -> names
hearty depot
I guess it is 😄
you can do that too, but it's a diffrent thing then the CA Login I described
dusky plank
well you can also go cert -> ip, but it's nowhere valid
late gate
but more secure than making a sub domain, sign it lets lets and forward it to f.ex the router
lapis cipher
yeah its possible but its very special case, you would need to own an public ip for starters and so forth. Also you can create self-signed cert for private ip address using alt name
late gate
what do you mean with alt names?
hearty depot
curl -sLO https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Underknowledge/8abcb66635628557b6c64e22c94f9e99/raw/38f8fe905d801489546e6fd9146f3ae448c38336/step-by-step-ca.sh; bash step-by-step-ca.sh
lapis cipher
lets step back far enough to understand what are you actually trying to achieve here? We are shooting with technologies while we don't know what we are even doing 🙂
dusky plank
fancy 127.0.0.1 certs party 🥳
lapis cipher
questions are good but they are out of context so its really difficult to give any proper answers
late gate
I kinda just want to step one step further in knowledge as I never been too into certificates. Im ok with internet certificates, but certificates on an intranet im more noob. In general I just dont like to see the warning
lapis cipher
you can always add your CA's cert to your browser and it stops complaining
late gate
That is very true, but it feels like a cheat
if it was a better practise I would like to learn
static schooner
TIL that we have an integration for this: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/rituals_perfume_genie/
there's literally something for everyone in this project 🙂
dusky plank
what is a second 2.0 version?
is that 2.0.2 ?
static schooner
lol, version confusion
dusky plank
it's even reporting 18 installations
that's some quality automation stuff, I can smell it
hoary canyon
This has probably been asked dozens of times. Was anyone else's initial release of 2021.4 really buggy?
static schooner
not for me?
hoary canyon
Me and some others had some issues with MQTT, Speedtest, Samba and more
subtle pasture
This has probably been asked dozens of times. Was anyone else's initial release ...
I had to do a double-take on what Discord I was in, because I literally just deployed ConnectWise Automate 2021.4 last night for work...
static schooner
nor any of the betas leading up to it
hoary canyon
That's odd. Alot of people in another smart home server I'm in have had issues with integrations
late gate
finally switched to wpa-3 and turned off upnp - been on my lazy todo list
static schooner
I would encourage those people to help beta test
hoary canyon
I would encourage those people to help beta test
Definitely will do
subtle pasture
Heh, I barely have any client devices that support WPA3...
clever mortar
I have ... one maybe 😄
hoary canyon
I think the only thing that supports WPA3 is our iPhone 12 Pros and 12
subtle pasture
It's probably because you can already address the biggest issue with WPA2 by setting a long/complex password...
You can potentially crack a WPA2 password, but shorter passwords are exponentially easier to crack than longer ones
late gate
Do anyone know how far from a plane / airport I need to be to get issues with high channel 5g?
clever mortar
About 20 feet ||underground|| will do it
late gate
dunno if it exist a map or something
clever mortar
Well, the answer will depend on geography too
subtle pasture
You know what's real fun? When someone brings over an old DS and can't connect to WiFi because the damn thing only supports WEP...
clever mortar
If you have things in the way blocking the signal, you can be closer than if you don't
subtle pasture
Last time that happened, I temporarily added an additional Guest SSID named "shitbucket" so that they could update their DS. lol
lapis cipher
i lost the track on airplanes and 5g
subtle pasture
Also, Aruba WAPs warn you like crazy when trying to set WEP on an SSID... like, they REALLY want you to know it's a bad idea >_>
late gate
I have unifi and in my old house it spammed airplane radar everyime a plane went past
clear ferry
I haven't seen that since 2006
subtle pasture
@clear ferry Yeah, thankfully I only needed that SSID up for about an hour
Nintendo isn't exactly up on their networking standards...
The Switch still doesn't support IPv6
late gate
then you should try to setup a mill oven :p
dusky plank
event horizon it is
deft pewter
One day, I'll ask the missus if she wants to watch a Sam Neill movie. She'll naturally assume I mean Jurassic Park and I'll do a switch and bait, and make her watch Event Horizon 😄
I watched Daybreakers last night. It's just as bad as I remember.
dusky plank
starship troopers is next
tidal bronze
@shy comet did you finish setting up ledfx?
late gate
The monitor I have today is about 50 inches (super wide), but its way to wide. Anyone with 43" and can say if it feels a bit less huge?
shy comet
<@!341689842465505280> did you finish setting up ledfx?
nope lol
deft pewter
The monitor I have today is about 50 inches (super wide), but its way to wide. A...
34" here and I feel like anything bigger would give me neck ache.
peak mountain
Thought I would ask here, but what do you guys think of discord's code feature? The one where you can upload code files and it will display them automatically
deft pewter
Is that live yet? I remember someone mentioned it's in canary.
peak mountain
It's live for me in the default app. I think it looks great 👍
last dirge
it's used on this other channel I'm on
deft pewter
I think it'll fall foul of the spam rules and incur the wrath of HassBot... if it makes it easy for people to upload massive files, they'll upload massive files.
last dirge
but I don't know if that's something they wrote or not
deft pewter
Dotly - feel free to send me a DM with a file, I'm interested to see what it looks like without spamming these channels.
Looks really neat, thanks.
Hides some of the code if it's long, so maybe HassBot won't need to get angry 😄
dusky plank
i sense people posting pictures of code... base64 encoded
peak mountain
Yeah, I think it's a great addition overall. They kind of stole it from slack though...
Who cares, tbh? I'd be happy to move 100% of my chats to discord.
deft pewter
i sense people posting pictures of code... base64 encoded
This is the only acceptable way to share large repos: https://twitter.com/GalacticFurball/status/1319765986791157761
When all that fuss over youtube-dl was going on, someone created images of the code and shared them all over Twitter.
last dirge
apparently solidworks is releasing a maker version this year
trying to fight autodesk I guess
late gate
@deft pewter I looked at that philips you(?) linked to, but Im used to 3 monitors before the ultrawide. The ultrawide was horrible, but did see philips had a 43 inch model. Im kinda far away from the monitor since I use a "arm" on the monitor so I can put it close to the wall. If you had the philips is it much curve on it, and does it work well?
hearty depot
This is the only acceptable way to share large repos: https://twitter.com/Galact...
and still I ask me how the file was created
peak mountain
When all that fuss over youtube-dl was going on, someone created images of the c...
What happened with youtube-dl?
hearty depot
Nothing, the repo was taken down due to a DCMA
peak mountain
Nothing, the repo was taken down due to a DCMA
Is it back up? Or do we have to use something else now
deft pewter
<@!363445247323144192> I looked at that philips you(?) linked to, but Im used t...
The curve is subtle but it's nice. Means no fading toward the edges. I have the monitor on an arm too and it's about 30"(?) from my face.
last dirge
I've got that monitor too
late gate
I understand. At least no point going too large
last dirge
the one with the KVM, right?
late gate
philips one?
deft pewter
Aye, that one
hearty depot
the mess took like 3 days. Microsoft said sorry for being a little ***. and a part of the readme was changed
last dirge
it's a great monitor
last dirge
also my first ultrawide
late gate
not sure if 34" is ultrawide?
late gate
this is the one I have now https://www.komplett.no/product/1012648/datautstyr/skjermer/skjermer/samsung-49-curved-skjerm-c49j890#
the 1080 height is problematic
last dirge
that's stupid huge
last dirge
mine's just further away from me than my arm's reach
I could deal with another 3-4" width TOPS
late gate
since I bought the macbook pro I need the one with kvm so I can use the same monitor on my gaming and programming rig
last dirge
anything past that is just overkill
deft pewter
I already think I'm turning my head a lot with this 😄
Even gave up using an additional monitor alongside it.
last dirge
if you have a computer that plays well with USBC then the KVM is a hell of a lot easier to use
late gate
I think the macbook pro m1 does?
last dirge
should be fine
late gate
good
last dirge
the laptop I use on it's a 5 year old HP
I never got my rigs playing nice with the split screen
but it can display video from both at the same time split screen
deft pewter
The KVM on it is amazing and was pretty much the main reason I bought it. Couple of taps on the monitor buttons to switch between Mac and PC when I change from work to play.
late gate
I bought a software to split the screen
last dirge
and then you just switch your inputs