Apple really doesn't protect your privacy any better than anyone else, tbh. Have you read how draconian their ToS and EULA are?
#the-water-cooler
subtle pasture
hearty depot
deft pewter
Apple really doesn't protect your privacy any better than anyone else, tbh. Have...
Reading? What's that?
late gate
Im working on a web server (its in a datacenter), but wondering if i should virtualize the hosting os or run bare metal
clever mortar
Docker
subtle pasture
I usually vote virtualization or containerization for web servers
clever mortar
If you can Docker it, Docker it. And use orchestration to manage it
dusky plank
Windows Server 2019
subtle pasture
Server 2019 supports both Windows and Linux containers 😛
clear ferry
🤢
clever mortar
Yeah, but ... Windows and ... Server in the same paragraph...
subtle pasture
99% of the servers my company monitors are Windows Server. Linux isn't actually that common in the SMB space...
clever mortar
(I know it's come a long way, I'm tainted by the early versions)
late gate
I just feel i could control it more as vm and licenses are half the price
subtle pasture
If you were curious how many Linux servers the average Sutter hospital runs, it's zero...
.>
clear ferry
Eh, I would say 30-40% of all VMs I encounter are windows, and probably 40% of bare metal
dusky plank
Updates will be installed tonight... If you like it or not!
clear ferry
I exclude HPC from those numbers
subtle pasture
@dusky plank That's not actually how the server versions work, you know >.>
clear ferry
Then it would be screwed
dusky plank
I can't hear you over my swag :/
late gate
Would you suggest vm even if its just one cpanel host?
clear ferry
Bare metal is horrible to maintain, backup and restore
subtle pasture
The advantage of virtualization here is that you can easily back up, restore, snapshot, etc. the VM
late gate
Thats what im thinking
subtle pasture
Any attack on the web server is fairly unlikely to hit the host, so the entire host OS probably won't become inaccessible in the event that the webserver gets popped
late gate
Is it possible to migrate without reinstall?
subtle pasture
Yeah, and once it's a container/VM, it becomes very portable
late gate
Whats best practise?
clear ferry
Depends on your platform
late gate
Its redhat 8 / cloudlinux now
clear ferry
To what virtualization platform?
dusky plank
qemu
late gate
Qemu i guess yes
dusky plank
no u don't
late gate
Or proxmox
late gate
Vs no ui
clear ferry
Then virt-p2v and none of that proxmox nonsense
clear ferry
late gate
I might do that
Then i can easily snapshot etc
If this fails im coming after you atx
😆
eager geyser
anyone had an issue where in ubuntu u cant connect to ur main wifi but can to phone hotspot?
i just installed it on a mac and have no idea why such weird anomaly would happen
deft pewter
Did you set a static IP?
bitter pawn
lolz
brisk glen
That thing is never ever coming near my household
last dirge
lol
forest edge
welcome to the future
static schooner
That’ll be $10, and for the love of god please put on some clothes
forest edge
lol i remember when the ps4 came out and had that camera and app that allowed people to stream themselves while they played. the sheer amount of porn and just people butt ass naked on the feeds was insane. they even had to bring the app down a few times cause it was so bad
hushed basalt
WhY dO pEoPlE kEeP pIrAtInG oUR cOntENt
glacial knot
Hey, we just got a new reason to learn about how the internet works in Germany...
https://cuii.info/ueber-uns/ and those idiots don’t even have an English about page it seems. Great, let’s ignore net neutrality and open internet access. And make sure people can’t even shit talk internationally
clear ferry
laughs in Norwegian piracy
clear ferry
My coral doing its best
clever mortar
I found a thing. Look! Look!
dusky plank
isn't coral also suposed to describe what it sees?
dusky plank
so I take it that this bird is a special breed of "Eirikzhass"
clear ferry
Yes
Well, that is just the last image processed from frigate
I would probably need to tell it to send me the ID picture, instead
I looked at the different categories in frigate that I have asked it to look for
I selected "Cell phone"
and it showed me a video of my asscrack picking something up from the front porch
forest edge
and it showed me a video of my asscrack picking something up from the front porc...
sure it didn't label that as "Mountains"?
cedar chasm
Hey, we just got a new reason to learn about how the internet works in Germany.....
My favourite tidbit from that link is the regulator for the interwebz in Germany, Bundesnetzagentur für Elektrizität, Gas, Telekommunikation, Post und Eisenbahnen . They're in charge of the electric grid, gas, telecommunication and the railways.
Must have just kept accumulating responsibilities since the 1800s
Oh, and postal services
Mustn't forget
glacial knot
well, the Telekom we all know and love is the bastard child of our post office and privitization (and a large part of why internet sucks in Germany)
And yea, BNA is mostly everything infrastructure
cedar chasm
They must have lots of interest in prioritising the needs of the citizenry over industry lobbyists
glacial knot
BNA and BSI do seem to be OK. Sometimes a bit weird, but not nefarious
cedar chasm
That's a relief then
glacial knot
Then again, I need to check if the recent stupidity passed
Since that made the BSI a bit more difficult
hushed basalt
Bought some more 8TB shuckables
Then I'll have 6 x 8TB in a RAIDZ2 config. All I'd ever need for the foreseeable future
lapis cipher
..three months later..
hushed basalt
Haha
To be fair I've been running on ~8TB of usable for 6 years now
And I don't download 4K since the upscaling on my tv is so good
And I prune stuff I don't need anymore
hearty depot
Just build a ceph fs node at home (for learinig, and why not use it then anyway)
already 4x 12TB deliverd. still waiting for the other 2 drives EC4+2
tough igloo
Bought some more 8TB shuckables
Where did you purchase them?
tough igloo
Nice. Might have a look
clear ferry
I need to expand my pools soon
hearty depot
Ceph or zfs?
clear ferry
mirai# /sbin/zpool get allocated
NAME PROPERTY VALUE SOURCE
Storage allocated 24.5T -
Storage2TB allocated 6.56G -
Storage6TB allocated 2.76T -
boot-pool allocated 24.1G -
mirai# /sbin/zpool get free
NAME PROPERTY VALUE SOURCE
Storage free 11.8T -
Storage2TB free 5.43T -
Storage6TB free 13.6T -
boot-pool free 238G -
mirai#
last cedar
My coral doing its best
BIRB
clear ferry
no
midnight adder
nice thats how i remember you ❤️
is an intel nuc8i5bek with 16gb ram reasonably priced at 275 euros?
2nd hand but only used for 2 months
so still 2 years warranty
clear ferry
it is €345 new here atleast
midnight adder
so pretty reasonable then i guess
midnight adder
true, but when we leave that out of the discussion
😛
they cost here already 290 for the nuc alone
as they arent produced anymore
glacial knot
I hate doing math on paper that I could have done in seconds when I was in school. And now I stare at it and just see questionmarks
lapis cipher
electricity comes from the socket and internet from the sky, nothing to calculate 🙂
glacial knot
oh, you have starlink?
lapis cipher
not yet but over the air anyways (where does the "sky" start?)
clear ferry
lapis cipher
i did notice yesterday when checking out that one operator has scheduled improvements to our site for next month, possibly adding capacity and 5G. Its the one i use least but those are pretty easily changed with couple of clicks
dusky plank
With DNS lookup we don't care about the IP if the DHCP server propegates to the DNS server 😄
I have opnsense as my dhcp, use adguard as dns for every client (dhcp option 6). how do I set this up? @clear ferry
clear ferry
Pretty sure Unbound by default has DHCP Registration Register DHCP leases enabled
And also DHCP Static Mappings Register DHCP static mappings
clear ferry
dusky plank
I have these set.
but my clients use adguard 🤷♂️ I have to direct adguard to opnsense then I believe
clear ferry
no idea for adguard
I do pihole
and tell it to override mydomain.tld to opnsense
I should try out adguard
dusky plank
wooo it works!
now my HA is in two vlans and dns returns the address for the second one, figuring out how to change that to the first one
clear ferry
forest edge
a long time ago I had always wanted one of those camera/telescopes that had the built in digital output so you could pipe the feed to a tv and they usually had remotes so you could sit on the couch and just pan around and zoom in and such. course I knew it would eventually get used for perv type scenarios so thought best not waste the money
hushed basalt
forest edge
Raccoon in chimney. I have a raccoon in our chimney, there might be babies not sure!! Does anyone know how to get rid of them, or anyone who can get it out without costing hundreds of dollars!!
posted to nextdoor 10 mins ago. should I give them your number @last cedar ?
hushed basalt
last cedar
`Raccoon in chimney. I have a raccoon in our chimney, there might be babies not ...
I am omw
hushed basalt
lapis cipher
Should probably be doing something more useful but since math was mentioned earlier i just found myself puzzling with multi-axle all-wheel-steering stuff..
lapis cipher
i do absolutely nothing with this knowledge (which i don't yet even have) but.. Maybe i can build a robot or a device to haul my trees from the forest..
lapis cipher
starting to cut down a tree from very next to the house tomorrow so would be nice to have something to move those heavy logs, maybe even split them on the same go, dry and stack and all..
lapis cipher
sci-fi - "sai-fai"
deft pewter
Meh. It's an abbreviation, it's allowed to sound different to the actual words 😄
HiFi too... it's not 'fai', it's 'fi' (short for fidelity)
But 'sai-fi' and 'hai-fi' would sound ridiculous 😄
lapis cipher
just repeating what they say on natgeo 😄
we say everything as its written, hence the rally-english 🤣
fallow karma
Say fay
deft pewter
shchee fee
clear ferry
hot roost
Does anyone here have a NUC with several VMs, one for HA, one for Plex & SAB etc? Currently have a pi4 for HA and a Lenova ThinkServer for Plex.l running server 2012
Nucs seem pretty great, but not sure how you'd handle media storage? Also, how to get ZigBee signal to NUC as media cabinet doesn't have great signal
deft pewter
- Get a real server
- USB extension lead
hot roost
Real server?
And extension lead won't help. Need to have my Pi on other side of house due to BT connections too
deft pewter
Well you're apparently worried that an NUC can't do everything because it doesn't have all the disks... get a real server than you can add extra disks to.
And #zigbee-archived for support with Zigbee.
deft pewter
Getting ready to write a statutory request for change of contract 🎉 Just going to wait until after my next performance review to submit it so they don't screw me over with my rating 😄
I already know that if I ask nicely, they'll say no. Time for hardball.
I love the legislation for it... they can only reject for these reasons:
the burden of additional costs
an inability to reorganise work amongst existing staff
an inability to recruit additional staff
a detrimental impact on quality
a detrimental impact on performance
a detrimental effect on ability to meet customer demand
insufficient work for the periods the employee proposes to work
a planned structural change to your business
The only 2 that could ever be in question would be quality or performance... and I always hit our top performance ratings 😂
Making sure to read up on the ACAS guidance too 😄
clever mortar
deft pewter
I didn't realise the Queen is in favour of WFH too. I'm too young to watch the Queen's Speech, so I didn't know she was planning to put forward a bill making flexible working the default right for all workers that want it.
clever mortar
It shouldn't be rocket science... if your role doesn't require you to be physically at a given location, you should be able to work flexibly
Now, I wouldn't want to be WFH 100% of the time, but having the choice, that's key
deft pewter
Shouldn't be
clever mortar
Well, yes, we all know how micro managers are though
deft pewter
In my case, it's not even my direct manager. He trusts me to just get shit done.
Frigging middle management.
clever mortar
I've seen plenty of articles about firms that have gone from WFH is fine to 100% in the office is the only future
Thankfully my lot are smarter than that
deft pewter
I can definitely see a trend toward more businesses being more flexible. There aren't many big firms pushing the 100% office-based agenda.
glacial knot
I'm still a bit scared about how we'll handle that in the future
but I can probably just bash my head against my boss's and get the flexibility I need 😄
deft pewter
Scared?
glacial knot
Because I know that there's some voices (in relevant positions) that want to get back into the office primarily
deft pewter
So let them.
glacial knot
we'll keep options to work from home, otherwise I'll probably just get another employer that has the option^^, but how much is the question
And how much effort it'll be to use it
deft pewter
Some go in... some don't... some do a mix. No problem.
clever mortar
Here I expect that folks will be in the office on average 50% of the time - but that's going to be a spread of folks who're in all the time, folks who're in some of the time, and folks who go in once a month or less 😄
deft pewter
Exactly. True flexibility. The way my place are talking, they'll be setting a target and applying it to everyone.
I'd be happy if they said 50% on average. Someone else can make up my hours if they prefer to be there.
clever mortar
Sadly they don't realise people will just find a better working environment elsewhere
deft pewter
I keep hearing 60% per person... and with the new office location, that means 6 hours a week of sitting in traffic.
This guy's posted a good thread of his findings: https://twitter.com/chris_herd/status/1377955491981197323
Twitter
And an interesting poll: https://twitter.com/chris_herd/status/1379446706736140292?s=20
Twitter
glacial knot
Target in-office over all is the dumbest option though
Unless you need to justify the building cost to some CFO, that just adds dumb rules to keep in mind
deft pewter
Over 90% of respondents say they'll leave their in-office job for a remote offer. Any business that thinks they won't lose their talent over this is retarded.
They'll be left with the scraps 😂
clever mortar
Time-off: To prevent burnout many will introduce 'wellness days' where they order time off without prior warning
Most companies will do 1 day every 2 months
🤣
deft pewter
Target in-office over all is the dumbest option though
Unless you need to justif...
Funny you should say that. They signed a lease on a new office just before the pandemic...
They want to get 'value' out of the new building. Muppets.
deft pewter
> Time-off: To prevent burnout many will introduce 'wellness days' where they or...
Eh... that's more than we've been offered so far but I'll still take it. It's extra holiday with no loss in earnings.
clever mortar
I suspect that we'll not shrink much office space, but I'd not be shocked to see the interiors reworked to make them more suited to the new way
glacial knot
yea. We are thinking way more in terms of communication and team-building
So a grand sweeping rule would provide nothing. But it's also a very hard topic to get right and have a benefit of shared space for everyone, while keeping people happy
And not being hypocrit on the values we are supposed to reflect
deft pewter
Yeah, better breakout areas for meetings/gatherings would be a good thing. I just hate the cramped, open-plan layout most offices have.
glacial knot
cramped open? D:
deft pewter
We're not quite Office Space levels of boring but it's not far off. And I can't stand hearing everyone else's conversations and phone calls while I'm trying to focus on tricky code.
glacial knot
do you work in cubicles?
deft pewter
do you work in cubicles?
No dividers between desks but they're practically organised as pods, yes.
Can't roll your chair back too far or you'll hit the next person...
They actually showed us a sample of the furnishings for the new office a while back, complete with examples of how the desks will be set up. Single monitor, just enough elbow room that you won't be constantly hitting your neighbour when you type... perfect working conditions for a developer.
glacial knot
Yea, no. I'd be out of there in no time
our offices are 4 to 5 people in large-ish rooms
Everyone got 2 desks and enough space around them. So (outside missing AC) it's pretty good work environment
deft pewter
Our old layout wasn't awful. L-shaped desks with a cupboard and drawers for storage. New place is going to be rows of desks with no drawers 🤔
glacial knot
oh, I mostly use 1 Display + my Laptop. One 38" 21:9 display 🙂
deft pewter
Similar setup at home for me. Ultrawide and laptop. I wouldn't be getting that if I go back.
I'd put my money on 21" and no space to put my laptop alongside it...
glacial knot
And yea, I need better displays at home
the 25" 2560x1440 is a bit constrained 😄
deft pewter
34", 3440x1440 here. I could've spend more for more pixels but this is plenty for what I do.
I usually have two thirds dedicated to an IDE and the other third for Teams/email/docs/whatever.
clever mortar
You can never have enough pixels...
deft pewter
Wouldn't want much bigger or I'd actually have to turn my head 😂
deft pewter
You can never have enough pixels...
Can you even see all the pixels at your age?
clever mortar
I can see the difference between a 4K display and an HD display on a laptop without any issue
Pisses off my opticians 😄
deft pewter
I'd always mock the wife about her inability to tell the difference between HD movies and older 480/720 stuff. That all changed a month ago when she had laser eye surgery... now she wants a 4K TV 😂
clever mortar
😂
deft pewter
She's even pointing out stuff I have to focus to see... might be a sign that I need my eyes done soon.
deft pewter
Hers were bad enough that she had to have the one where they actually open up your eye and reshape your cornea. I could probably get away with the basic laser one.
clear ferry
I have no depth perception, that is how bad my eyesight is, in one eye, it is like a led TV with half of the pixels off and showing 360p content
deft pewter
Hah. Not as scary as it sounds. The procedure only took something like 15 minutes. First day, she couldn't see much other than colours. Within a week, she was pointing out tits in the trees (she just doesn't know what they are, since she's never been able to spot them before 😂 )
clever mortar
Yeah, my FIL had it done, and he doesn't need glasses any more.
winter wren
take care of your clothes to not have pieces of hair of another colour
deft pewter
Since the wife had it done, both the MIL and FIL are curious now 😄
I'm not sure they'll get as many years of use out of it but they probably need it more. Neither can drive without glasses and they even need them to read (large print...)
I think they reckon you're good for decades once you have it done, as long as you wait until your eyes have settled.
glacial knot
34", 3440x1440 here. I could've spend more for more pixels but this is plenty fo...
3840x1600 at work. And good quality panel
deft pewter
To run more Pis on?
dusky plank
have the same with 32", sometimes too small fonts - browser set to 110%
but I like to keep the monitor quite far away from me, have lots of tools on my desk
glacial knot
nah, virtual machines with a 10th of a core time, and 256MB ram. To make them suffer
clear ferry
🤢
dusky plank
my monitor can do pip, I like that!
glacial knot
you monitor got python running? 😄
deft pewter
have the same with 32", sometimes too small fonts - browser set to 110%
but I li...
It's supposed to be at least arm's length away anyway, right? I always ditch the stand and put my monitors on arms to set it further away and reclaim some desk space.
dusky plank
setup synergy, it's perfect when I have my work pc in use
deft pewter
Especially with the beast of a stand this came with.
dusky plank
it's at least 2 arms for me
glacial knot
I'm confused by the emptyness and the cable mess combination
dusky plank
yep, I still have the protective foil on my monitor... the one around the border
glacial knot
sorry, we can't be friends
clever mortar
This guy's posted a good thread of his findings: https://twitter.com/chris_herd/...
They are scared about intangible things they can’t measure ‘quality of communication’ && ‘collaboration in person’ && ‘water cooler chat’
Actually, I've found that I miss the "in person" bits - there's things that being there in person sparks. That and it's a lot easier to get a read for people in person, easier to tell when they're struggling. That's not enough to tempt me into the office 5 days a week though 😄
fallow karma
But it's not from China, delivery tomorrow
winter wren
not from china ? does it matter? is the same device
deft pewter
> They are scared about intangible things they can’t measure ‘quality of communi...
There's a couple of juniors in my area that could definitely do with a bit of visibility 😄 Most of us can be trusted to speak up when we're struggling.
The missus works at the same place on another product. They have a guy that would've been sacked months ago for his productivity levels if the management had noticed that he's never even at his PC... 😄
Oh, and he's currently crying that he's not getting promoted 🤔
winter wren
at least he was will
told my managers that i play very well world of tanks in office...they didn't promote me 😦
is basically a new software in portfolio
deft pewter
I sometimes have lazy days. I never do anything I shouldn't while I'm on the clock (no games, movies, etc), just some slow days. But I always deliver everything I agreed I would, and I rarely deliver anything late. Usually, I deliver early and do extra work to help the team.
No-one can give 100% every day. They'd burn out.
clever mortar
I'd rather measure somebody by results, than hours on the clock
Hell, we all have slow days, and fast days. Days when you get little done, and days when you get a week of work done in a morning
Lets face it though, getting the bean counters to accept that is going to take a long time
deft pewter
days when you get a week of work done in a morning
These are my favourite days, especially when they happen on a Monday and set me up nicely for the week 😄
subtle pasture
Also, lets not forget that the 8-hour workday is too damn long, and was not the original goal of the labor unions who were pushing for reasonable hours
They wanted a 4 hour workday. 8 was a compromise vs. the 12+ hour days some people were working
deft pewter
I'd be okay with 8-hour days if they weren't sandwiched by an unreasonable commute.
Hah. 4 hours would be awesome but I doubt we'll see that in our lifetime.
Not until the robots replace us...
subtle pasture
Hah. 4 hours would be awesome but I doubt we'll see that in our lifetime.
The shitty part is that a lot of industries should already have a 4-hour workday, going by the increase in efficiency vs. the lack of wage increases
subtle pasture
Yeah, I only have to drive 30 minutes (each way) to get to the office and I already find that to be too much
Especially for time that I'm not being compensated for
subtle pasture
Fortunately, the pandemic?
Yeah, except now some employers are talking about pay cuts for permanent work-from-home employees, which is just peak hypocrisy
"We don't pay for your travel time to/from the office"
"Oh, you aren't traveling to/from the office? Guess you don't need to be paid as much"
static schooner
Indeed. More work due to less commuting and fewer showers
clear ferry
You guys work 8 hours a day? 🤣
deft pewter
atx is here to tell us how he never showers
clear ferry
Also, you aren't paid for travel time? 🤣
clear ferry
atx is here to tell us how he never showers
I just did 
deft pewter
Most people aren't paid for travel to their usual place of work 🤷♂️
You don't have a usual place of work... so you're paid for travel.
deft pewter
Why would you have 9 or 10 babies kicking your face?
clear ferry
https://tenor.com/view/the-wokest-kids-around-pc-principal-south-park-s23e7-board-girls-gif-19502347
I used to wake up at 12 sometimes, but that was back when I did 600h overtime per year
subtle pasture
You guys work 8 hours a day? 🤣
I mean, I don't think most people with office jobs actually work 8 hours a day, but they're present for 8 hours a day
micro-breaks are a thing. People check their phone, scroll reddit for a minute, talk with coworkers, etc.
You'd go nuts if you didn't
fading hedge
I guess it depends on what you do. There is no breaks at my office job. I’m sure in a more IT job they get breaks.
subtle pasture
We get at least two 10 minutes breaks (in addition to a lunch break, which can be no shorter than 30 minutes) as mandated by law
fading hedge
Sales or marketing maybe. But then again a lot of them get to work from home now
subtle pasture
But people scrolling reddit for a minute between tasks is super common, and I'd call that a micro-break
deft pewter
I've had jobs where being on your phone is a sackable offence 🤷♂️
Not just them being dicks, more for security audits.
subtle pasture
I'm talking to y'all because I just had a meeting run short, and my next task is another meeting, so this is just dead time in my calendar 🤷♀️
fading hedge
Breaks are mandated in most union type jobs. If you are at will you do what you like and it better be a lot or good luck in your next job
hearty depot
Someone a CTemplar user and got a invite code for me?
subtle pasture
I've had jobs where being on your phone is a sackable offence 🤷♂️
I have to pop up my phone constantly throughout the day just to enter MFA codes. lol
deft pewter
Yeah, that job wasn't one of those 😄
subtle pasture
They literally can't ban us from using our phones at work
We couldn't log into anything
deft pewter
Given up on TOTP codes now that atx converted me to to security keys.
subtle pasture
Yeah, we're trying out Yubikeys now, because the owners realized that California labor laws require them to pay a cellphone stipend if they require the use of a personal phone for MFA apps
last cedar
Given up on TOTP codes now that atx converted me to to security keys.
To what!?
fading hedge
Cell Phones are not allowed in my office. Federal laws
subtle pasture
Anyone who's made a fuss has gotten a Yubikey. lol
dusky plank
we have separate wifi for our phones, you can only access company stuff with company devices. NAC is 👑
subtle pasture
$40 one-time fee, done
deft pewter
Yubikeys are great
subtle pasture
Cell Phones are not allowed in my office. Federal laws
Yeah, this is why Yubikey / SmartCard for MFA is a thing
deft pewter
subtle pasture
It's a hardware token
deft pewter
They make a bunch of versions with varying security protocols and connectivity.
When you'd normally be asked for a password and TOTP, you just plug that in and touch the button.
fading hedge
Ah. No we can’t have phones because it’s a distraction and people can die
deft pewter
Ah, you control the drone strikes. Noice.
dusky plank
people die. it's a people thing
fading hedge
🚆
deft pewter
people die. it's a people thing
Guns don't kill people. People just die. 🤷♂️
subtle pasture
Also, I think Yubico is missing a beat by not selling EM-hardened Yubikey safes
It's super common to have a second hardware token as a backup, in a safe or bank safety deposit box
fading hedge
We have something like that for our laptops in the field.
subtle pasture
Having a case that protects it from an EMP seems like a good idea, especially for one that sits in storage...
fading hedge
When out of the office in the field our company phones provide a key for the laptops.
subtle pasture
Yeah, same. We have everything locked down with Duo MFA
fading hedge
Obviously I’m on vacation or I would not be on my phone. The plus side of 13 hour days. A weeks vacation is 12 days off
fading hedge
I got all atxbyea keys the moment he powered up his 64 port board
clear ferry
Oh shit
fading hedge
Lol
fallow karma
Grandpa Joe
bitter pawn
computer gods high and low, i have a question. are there motherboards out there that support spoofing mac addresses prior to the OS being loaded?
clear ferry
I can't get over the awesome fact that DEC would ship faulty systems, or slowed down servers to European customers if they suspected they would be reshipped to the Soviets 🤣
bitter pawn
i want to say yes. but cant find any as of right now
snow timber
first HA Version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9bXV0ac1S4
clear ferry
I used to rewrite Mac addresses via floppy in the late 90s, so I'll say yes @bitter pawn
fading hedge
I can tell you on many radii I boards you code in the Mac
clear ferry
In 3com cards
dusky plank
even some bios allow it
bitter pawn
in this application, needs to be in the bios.
fading hedge
Arduino. The channel don’t like arduinos I guess
bitter pawn
not sure an add-on card would work
dusky plank
i like arduinos.
clear ferry
So application tied to mac address ?
bitter pawn
pretty sure i'd run into another roadblock with attempting that.
bitter pawn
OS is locked down tighter than a dolphin's booty
dusky plank
it's not if only a MAC is preventing you to penetrate
fading hedge
If it’s tied to Mac why stop there
bitter pawn
im confident virtualization is not an option in this instance.
but thanks for the glimmers of hope. ill be searching for a mobo with mac-spoofing
dusky plank
there's practically no difference when it comes to a physical adapter and mac in the net with a vm
subtle pasture
but thanks for the glimmers of hope. ill be searching for a mobo with mac-spoof...
I feel like more support it than not, these days
Heck, even Raspberry Pi's can spoof whatever MAC address you want, on both ethernet and WiFi
bitter pawn
ive just never been in a position where i needed to, tbh
subtle pasture
It's a fun thing to do if you need to bump another client off a network, lol
subtle pasture
If your switches have loopback protection enabled, and the same MAC shows up on two ports, the switch will often kill one of the two ports
So you have a 50/50 shot of locking yourself out, or your target out
bitter pawn
so one thing,
ive enabled loopback protection on zyxel L2/L3 switches
and it never works.
subtle pasture
loopback protection, or spanning tree?
bitter pawn
every damn time the network goes down when the wrong cable is plugged into the wrong place
subtle pasture
They both can actually detect and stop network loops, but they're massively different
bitter pawn
loopback protection
lets just say my on site technicians are not the brightest crayons in the box
not a yellow, but more like a forrest green? navy blue?
subtle pasture
lol
I've had spanning tree fail if the loop is more than 1 switch deep
Like, if you connect a switch, to a switch, to a switch, in a chain... then connect switch 1 to 3
bitter pawn
ive literally seen no difference with loopback protection turned on/off
subtle pasture
It'll just blow up the ARP tables and crash, even with Spanning Tree enabled
bitter pawn
but i know people be saying zyxel is trash
but see thats where im confused
the zyxel tech rep was like "we've designed it so you can chain 9 or so deep and then reconnect switch 1 with switch 10 and it will not give loopback issues with loopback protection enabled. this way if switch xyz goes offline, you can interconnect and keep the network up"
sounds great in theory
never works in practice
subtle pasture
Yeah, spanning tree should support that configuration automagically
bitter pawn
kk so it is a feature most switches can do and do well
its just zyxel sucks
ill say this much tho, their poe reliability is top notch.
subtle pasture
I mean, the real question here is what form of loopback detection are they doing?
STP, RSTP, LBD, other?
And you can use more than one of those simultaneously
subtle pasture
If they follow the Cisco / HP definition, then "Loopback detection" isn't Spanning Tree (STP/RSTP), and serves a bit of a different function
Loopback detection is handy for, say, wall ports that are end-user facing, where you might wind up with a dumb, unmanaged switch on a conference room table, that accidentally gets plugged into itself. Loopback detection will shut down that entire wall port, even if the devices causing the loop don't support STP
subtle pasture
Looks like they make the same distinction, at least
bitter pawn
/startrant god damn you tripplite and your double edged tape /endrant
subtle pasture
Spanning tree works by mapping the entire network, and them programatically determining the best ports to disable to prevent loops. It takes link speed and number of hops into account while doing this calculation.
But if you have a switch in the mix that's configured to DROP spanning tree packets, loops can go undetected
bitter pawn
we have a mixture of old and new zyxel.
subtle pasture
Which is why they say it doesn't offer you much protection at the edge of your network, because who knows what devices end-users are plugging in
bitter pawn
most of them are these zyxel gs2210-24hp
but the backbone switch and other fiber distribution point switches are a bit older generation due to the cost.
bitter pawn
i did it. i killed the chat
dusky plank
tidal bronze
@forest edge found your other ride 😆
chilly nymph
@tidal bronze So I finally got a structured networking box
Turns out that particular wall is somehow only 2.5" thick 🤣
hushed basalt
Do any of you have any opinions on IaC source control branching methods/release patterns
forest edge
<@104768700069990400> found your other ride 😆
way too clean for me
hushed basalt
I was thinking 2+ repositories. One repository is the manifest of the actual infrastructure you want, declarative with a single main branch with ideally a 1:1 representation of what's actually deployed
And other repositories contain modules which you use to build infrastructure in the main repository. And these modules are released as immutable versioned artifacts
So you can say have v1 of a module in production, and v2 in staging environments. Then when you're ready to bump production up you define it with v2
brisk glen
And… I’m fully ipv6 ready, question is was it worth it?
static schooner
almost certainly not
brisk glen
Probably :/
static schooner
you'll probably feel cool and get all the chicks. I'd expect no difference in functionality at best, a less stable network at worst
I did the same and eventually got tired of it messing with connectivity of the KVM running HA, so I turned it off
brisk glen
Network is just as stable, running my own ipv6 dns
static schooner
I did the same. It just proved less impressive in the long run
brisk glen
I got network level Adblock with docker container at host level networking
Now I can access that 1 ipv6 only irc server
static schooner
it's possible that I was doing something wrong, but I could pass all the online tests
it just seemed to add no value, so when I started having unexplained connectivity issues when my KVM would restart, I decided it wasn't worth it
I hope your experience is better
clear ferry
I should look at IPv6 more again at some point
Still very few actual users
Even 21 years after I started using it
late gate
I don't care about IPv6 when my provider Altibox refuse to give anything else than ip6rd that is not supported by my system. Not real IPv6
clear ferry
It already happened 17 years ago when I ran some ipv6 tunnels, and shitkids were like 
Also, I hate YouTubers
glacial knot
My expensive cloths have no visible marking who made them
winter wren
peace be with you all
hushed basalt
late gate
Just woke up not felt this tired for a long time. Dog is not feeling well so been up for hours. Took 500mg caffeine pills with no effect
hushed basalt
orchid rose
oh wow
last cedar
hushed basalt
My works group chat memes are not wholesome
And most of the pure filth comes from the women
dusky plank
blue sky and snow
clear ferry
We had that yesterday
glacial knot
We had that an hour ago 😄
subtle pasture
Was given a free Wii and like 50 games for it. It had stopped reading discs, and they were going to throw all of it in the trash...
So, I spent the afternoon disassembling, cleaning, reassembling, and soft-modding it for homebrew
I am pleased to report that the disc drive still works, and rips games to USB flash drive beautifully. Lol
Oh, and it runs Doom now, of course
Priorities 👌
dusky plank
that facebook data leak is... pretty complete
orchid rose
Was it a real leak and not just publicly accessible stuff?
I don't use Facebook so I haven't looked into it
dusky plank
it includes phone numbers, work info, birthdates, relationship status, etc..
deft pewter
Was it a real leak and not just publicly accessible stuff?
It's the same dataset that was gathered back in 2019 or something, just it wasn't readily available for free until now.
Nothing secret, it was all basically scraped from the public API's before they locked them down.
Everyone's making such a big fuss out of it and calling it a breach - it's literally only the information people chose to share publicly. It's their own faults.
deft pewter
Troy Hunt updated haveibeenpwned to allow for phone number searches given the size of this dataset and the fact that email addresses weren't as common as phone numbers. I checked for my number and it's not in there - I've had the same number (and so have FB) for 10+ years.
deft pewter
People are just dumb and sharing that stuff...
People are just dumb
and sharing that stuff...
If you don't already follow him, Troy's pretty good at sharing his findings for this stuff on Twitter.
Twitter
FB have issued a statement now too (they were a bit slow in responding...): https://about.fb.com/news/2021/04/facts-on-news-reports-about-facebook-data/
clever mortar
My actual phone numbers have never been associated with any social media account ... SIP FTW
deft pewter
It wouldn't be that big a deal if my phone number were leaked... I'd have to change it and update the 3 people that call me each year.
orchid rose
I wouldn't worry about a phone number and an e-mail address tbh, but passwords can be a pain
clever mortar
Bitwarden FTW
deft pewter
I wouldn't want my email account to be breached but it doesn't really matter if spammers know the email address itself... most providers do a decent job of filtering out spam.
Can't remember the last time a spam email landed in my inbox.
clever mortar
Loss of my email account would be bad, but that's why MFA exists
deft pewter
Yup
Even just stuff like a secondary email address is handy. The chances of someone compromising multiple accounts to lock me out are slim 😄
warped patrol
Hi
weak dagger
Hey
weak dagger
Do you need a server to host bitwarden? (I have one, just wondering)
dusky plank
you can use their free cloud service, but cloud 🤮
clear ferry
Well, you can't host anything without something to host it on
So the question is.. interesting
weak dagger
/sigh - do you need to host bitwarden on a server to use it to it's full potential, and while I'm spoon feeding you the questions, does it work with docker too? 🙂
one needs to remember we are people and not computers, it's a bad habit programmers get - thinking that processing information in the same literal sense as a machine is the way we should process information too.
now thatis ... interesting!
dusky plank
what is a full potential of a password manager? to manage passwords? it's the same with own hosted and cloud service
clear ferry
/sigh - do you need to host bitwarden on a server to use it to it's full potenti...
BitwardenRS runs in docker yes, which usually runs on a server, somewhere
warped patrol
lol cool. I'll try it on docker, thanks.
brisk glen
lol.. runs in docker... if it runs on linux, it runs in docker
clear ferry
clever mortar
Seeing KDE in Docker would be fun...
clear ferry
dusky plank
clear ferry
clear ferry
what is this perverse madness
dusky plank
it's quite useful some times
clear ferry
Streaming media files on my raspberry pi zero w via NFS share and omxplayer
interesting
works surprisingly well
clear ferry
Yeah, CPU isn't very busy
if I just could get it to be a plex casting reciever
now I'm just opening media files, and that works fine, but it is zzz
dusky plank
https://github.com/xteve-project/xTeVe#recommended-docker-image-linux-64-bit
should do, I don't use plex so 🤷
clear ferry
That is tv signals \ iptv -> plex 🤔
I've used that in the past
I want to be able to cast plex video from the plex app -> rpi
dusky plank
casting in streaming from device to device or device passing a m3u8 to device?
clear ferry
well, whatever the plex app does when you tell it to stream to another device
which works fine to chromecast (audio and video) or sonos devices (audio only)
dusky plank
afaik chromecast is closed source, so no github fun for it
dusky plank
streaming with airplay is fairly easy and works fine:
https://github.com/FD-/RPiPlay
but it's iOS only
clear ferry
dusky plank
raspicast is just a homebrew solution to generic casting, no chromecast protocol implementation I believe
https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-android-tv-lineageos/
this might be a solution, rpi4 is minimum though
late gate
Yay, again...
glacial knot
did you drop it? 😮
late gate
no it was like that when I turned it on
noble pivot
Love the sisco switch 🤣 Not seen one of those before.
acoustic grove
any suggestion to have a water leak sensor to use with home assistant? I saw xiaomi but I guess I have to find a way to get zigbee on my computer, and other suggetion?
static schooner
You shouldn’t have stretched it like that 🙂
noble pivot
static schooner
#hardware-archived @acoustic grove
clever mortar
any suggestion to have a water leak sensor to use with home assistant? I saw xia...
Try the folks in #hardware-archived - and answer the questions in the pinned messages there
acoustic grove
Oh, I missed the #hardware-archived, I go there, thanks
late gate
@noble pivot Its garbage. I just had it in a box I was about to throw out.
noble pivot
I even did a quick google for it and all that came up was the real deal 🙂
late gate
yeah I bought them back in time when I was going to run some POE cameras, but it run POE regardless of client, so you will fry everything non POE
so its a distater waiting to happen
but that monitor is pissing me off. second time now
those ultra wide is crap quality
orchid rose
maybe some heat deformation could break it too but seems a bit unlikely
late gate
Not dropped
I dont move around the monitors
It started in the corner and died more and more
I had issues with that monitor from day one. Had to unplug it cause of static snow
wet quail
I want to be able to cast plex video from the plex app -> rpi
is there a reason you're hesitant to just get an actual chromecast or similar instead of fighting with the pi?
deft pewter
You can see the stress pattern from the corner. It's an impact 🤷♂️
Anyway... if it's under warranty, take it up with the manufacturer.
clever mortar
It may have been dropped before you first got it
late gate
That might be
static schooner
I saw a review of one of those monitors where the blogger turned it into portrait mode 🙂
static schooner
Or just like a completely different person
orchid rose
it's too tall to properly display atx
deft pewter
And not wide enough 😂
orchid rose
exactly
fallow karma
dusky plank
is that a display too?
clear ferry
is there a reason you're hesitant to just get an actual chromecast or similar in...
I would like to use it as a fourth monitor too 🤣
wet quail
you just gotta have it all, don't you
orchid rose
Lot of cool stuff in the new HA version 👀
static schooner
spoiler alert
dusky plank
zwavejs again breaking 🥲
orchid rose
it'll break my google cast so I'll wait for now, but I really like the automation debugger
static schooner
zwavejs again breaking 🥲
Luckily, this one was just a global search and replace for me
deft pewter
zwavejs again breaking 🥲
Zigbee ftw
deft pewter
Yeah, I was going to say... by way of Watchtower
Gotta update to them busted versions automatically.
cedar chasm
sleep late and break things, that's my motto
dusky plank
Luckily, this one was just a global search and replace for me
tell me senpai
clear ferry
🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢 🤢
fallow karma
orchid rose
She's wearing a mask so it's all good
Gasoline is pretty good for cleaning your hands from oil. May give you cancer though
deft pewter
Ignoring the massive risk of explosions, isn't that paint job going to be screwed now?
lapis cipher
its fine if she flushes the gasoline away with diesel 😄
deft pewter
At least diesel takes more than a small spark to ignite
dusky plank
trace trace trace trace
fading hedge
Trying to not make the same mistake twice. I was eager to upgrade HA remotely while out of town and crashed my house. The spouse factor went in the dumps when only 2 lights worked in the house. Think I’ll save this update for when I’m home
clever mortar
Remove upgrades are for the brave, or the well prepared (and also brave)
deft pewter
Your lights depend on HA running? 🤢
fading hedge
Yes
deft pewter
There's your first mistake,
fading hedge
Welll every switch in my house was trying to connect to mqtt and then went to device recovery mode. I’ve since fixed that
But you don’t know what you don’t know until your realize you didn’t know it
deft pewter
Or you could learn from other people's mistakes and plan ahead. I bought switches that will work as long as there's electricity 
noble pivot
Yeah, I think you could have seen that one coming!
fading hedge
Me too but a brownout outage during the upgrade set all the tasmota switches to recovery
noble pivot
I've been quite carefull to make sure all the important stuff has some kind of manual fallback cos I KNOW that WHEN it breaks it will be the one time that the misus is in on her own and she wont be shy about shouting at me down the phone !
fading hedge
Well I’ll use my own code on all new switches going forward. Tasmota is great but
Last crash her only complaint was the touch panels would turn on the leds on the porch
noble pivot
HaHa - Who thought a few years back you would have to DR test your house 🙂
fading hedge
Wouldn’t
clear ferry
When I was in the us I did remote upgrades in the morning
While the wife was sleeping in Norway time
🤣
forest edge
thank god I never had the wiggles on the bike. that always looked scary as hell to me lol
fading hedge
I’ve done lots remote. Only takes 1 fail to put you in hot water for future add one
dusky plank
you update things remote. i flash OSs on pis from remote 😎
last cedar
thank god I never had the wiggles on the bike. that always looked scary as hell ...
Probably requires a change of underwear
bitter pawn
@subtle pasture you around?
subtle pasture
Yo
bitter pawn
so im looking at a video surveillance server that is being repurposed
you play around with microsoft storage pools?
subtle pasture
Little bit, but not in a while. Moved over to managed NAS's/SANs
subtle pasture
It actually replaced the horribly hacky solution they used to use in Windows Home Server...
bitter pawn
you mean the software raid arrays in disk management?
subtle pasture
Nope...
Windows Home Server was Microsoft's first (released) stab at disk pooling
dusky plank
it was horrible
subtle pasture
Drive Extender, that was it
bitter pawn
sent you a dm
that looks very vista-ish
im assuming this is microsoft's way of countering ZFS and BTRFS storage pools
where you can just throw any drive you want in there
subtle pasture
That's because Windows Home Server was based on Server 2008 / 2008 R2
dusky plank
what was the first win server? 2003?
subtle pasture
Oh, apparently the very first version of Home Server was actually based on 2003 R2...
@dusky plank Nah, Windows Server goes back to NT 2.x
dusky plank
yeah but was called NT, not server
subtle pasture
Nope, Windows NT was also divided into "Workstation" and "Server" editions
dusky plank
oh, never seen that
subtle pasture
subtle pasture
Windows 2000 Server was almost released as "Windows NT 5.0 Server"
The swap from NT 5 to 2000 was pretty last-minute
dusky plank
windows me was beuatiful, in every way
subtle pasture
There was also supposed to be a DEC Alpha version of 2000, but it was canceled last-minute as well
Windows ME was interesting... Windows 98 SE DOS/driver compatibility, with Windows 2000's network stack.
dusky plank
I took a dive in these updates with those longhorn leaks, everything else I used was rc
subtle pasture
ME is the one version of Windows 9x that can still (just barely) hop onto a modern Windows network
Because it actually supports SMB 1.0
I think the real issue with ME is that is launched with a pre-release version of Internet Explorer bundled on the disk, and the shell used web integration... which called pre-release IE libraries constantly
You actually see the same behavior on Windows 98 SE with the same pre-release version of IE installed
Once IE is patched, things smooth out
dusky plank
98 se was 👑
cedar chasm
Windows 95C with IE4 or gtfo, pls
dusky plank
mosaic intensifies
bitter pawn
xp was meh, but you could configure the crap out of it.
subtle pasture
I had a dual-socket Pentium 3 workstation as my primary rig for a while, so I was basically forced to run Windows 2000 on it
9x has no support for multi-core or multi-socket
9x would boot, but not see an entire CPU
bitter pawn
i bet that was fun
subtle pasture
It was pretty sweet for 1999, yeah XD
Dual 1 GHz Pentium 3's, 512mb of RAM, and a TNT2 (later upgraded to a GeForce 2)
dusky plank
torrents were the hottest shiat back then
subtle pasture
torrents were the hottest shiat back then
Bitorrent wouldn't exist for another 2 years mate >.>
We were all still on Napster
dusky plank
hm was it limewire / kazaa then
cedar chasm
Kazaa, now that was where you'd go looking for your OS install files
subtle pasture
1999 predated Limeware, Kazaa, and Bitorrent
Napster was pretty much it at the time...
deft pewter
Napster 🔥
subtle pasture
Oh, and edonky, I think
dusky plank
eeedonkey and bockwurst
subtle pasture
Wait, no, 1999 also predated edonky XD
bitter pawn
directconnect had chat and rooms. twas awesome. you could ask what you were downloading before starting the download.
subtle pasture
Goddamn 1999 was a long-ass time ago
bitter pawn
that is if people were at their pc.
dusky plank
bitter pawn
it was like discord with sharing. man i miss those days
dusky plank
we talk 2000
subtle pasture
@dusky plank Yeah, I distinctly remember upgrading that system from a TNT2 to a GeForce 2 a few years after getting it. lol
bitter pawn
then the normies had to come in and ruin everything
cedar chasm
Who had Voodoo 2 graphics?
dusky plank
so yeah, edonkey, kazaa and limewire
cedar chasm
Kazaa Light/lite, to be on the safe side
deft pewter
Bonzi Buddy
That's the toolbar with Stephen Hawking's voice, right?
Text to speech before it sounded like speech 😄
glossy mortar
At some point, I'm sure I'll learn not to upgrade to the .0....
deft pewter
Bundled were bad. People downloading them willingly was way worse.
Gotta add them all.
cedar chasm
sasser!!
I worked in support back then. so many people connected directly to the net without firewalls on their ethernet cards
it was a veritable bloodbath
fading hedge
Heck that’s too recent. I ran a WWIV BBS which connect via dialup to fidonet and internet mail and forums from there
I was proud when I had 3 lines at at 2400k
24k sorry
dusky plank
is that a Athlon?
fading hedge
Those 10 base t networks were a real job to set up
Most my music collect came from irc......mmmmhmmmm which means I ripped my cds to my drive
fading hedge
I worked at radio shack when the first cdrom came out. You bet ya I had that bad boy installed before it hit the shelves. I remember installing and saying now what
dusky plank
I think hitman 2 was one of the first games I encountered securom
fading hedge
I doubt the real early ones had any
dusky plank
clonecd was the only one cracking that, it was easy AF though
fading hedge
My first cd game was curse of monkey island. With the cd quality music it was awesome
fading hedge
Loom was cool and the kings quest games. I think you used a floppy and cd for some
dusky plank
never got my hands on those
fading hedge
I tried everything being the “computer specialist” at 2 radio shack stores.
fallow karma
Huh, nostalgic trip?
FIFA 99 or 00 with chumbawamba music
My first computer was commodore 16, somewhere in 80's
Then 64: river raid, boulder dash
dusky plank
pentium II kid here 👋 no commodore 😦
fading hedge
Yep. Mine was a vic20 then c64. Then an ibm clone
fallow karma
Yep. Mine was a vic20 then c64. Then an ibm clone
Nice, maybe I am not the oldest one here
dusky plank
geocities 🔥
fading hedge
Ti99 was my first real but I had to go to someone’s house to play with when they first came out
dusky plank
I still remember the first tux racer in my friends house
fading hedge
Probably not. I graduated with a degree in computer science in 1992 and have worked in it since
Ha be not
Have not
fallow karma
After 64 I had Atari 65xe with folppy drive, 5,25 .
fading hedge
I had to edit a whole year for Christmas for a tape drive
fading hedge
My cousin had an Atari 400 with the membrain kb I would. Ode on for hours a day
fallow karma
😄
Tape drive was terrible, half day waiting with those squeekin noise , and then
?load error
fading hedge
It’s better than typing in code from a magazine and leaving the computer on overnight just to find you mom shut it off while you were in bed at 8p
fallow karma
I was typing codes from magazines too 😄
subtle pasture
Thankfully that exercise predates me, though I have had to retype code into a classic computer before, because there was no other way to get the program into the computer (couldn't write the required floppy format from a modern machine)
The program I retyped by hand was a barebones terminal emulator, written in Amiga Basic, so that I could transfer a fully featured terminal-emulator over serial to the system
Which then made it possible to send files back and forth from a modern machine easily, over a serial cable
fading hedge
I learned a bunch of useless ones then went to work on the railroad. Sadly a RR job paid 4 times a programmer in the day. I remember be pissed when my college taught pascal instead of C and I had to self teach that.
If you can learn basic you can learn c
storm summit
analytics data is interesting. like how uncommon integrations are after about the top 5.
lilac ether
this might be a basic question, but I just added an integration that discovered a new device and that device generates like 10 different sensors, all of the form sensor.<UUID>_thingy. Is there a way to assign a name to the device so all its sensors derive its name from it?
fading hedge
I would think on the device end that would be accomplished but that’s more on a topic than off a topic.
lapis cipher
sounds like #integrations-archived topic, no support here, or some more targeted channel depending on what was discovered or via what means
forest edge
waiting on an rpi3b to fully update is torture lol
young sigil
Cue: atx sickface
static schooner
we can all just pretend that it happened and move on
young sigil
Christ on a bike,
last dirge
nice ping bro
young sigil
I think the VSAT antenna gimbal is having a hard time keeping up with the swell.
last dirge
when your ping is several orders of magnitude greater than the ttl
young sigil
This ship is infested with gremlins. Woke up to a sweltering cabin temperature of 30 degrees and no thermostat control. But that was ok because there was no hot water for a shower either.
green inlet
With all your tales, I hope you are getting paid HUGE
young sigil
Not enough.
forest edge
dunno how people don't end up going apeshit and hurting one another while trapped in a small space at sea together
young sigil
No booze. Which could make things go either way now I think about it.
static schooner
molten osprey
Trying to replace nginx with relayd ... feel like I have two left hands
clear ferry
Cue: atx sickface
🤢
clear ferry
we can all just pretend that it happened and move on
🤢
clear ferry
waiting on an rpi3b to fully update is torture lol
🤢
static schooner
that's the one
molten osprey
so, if HA is running behind a reverse proxy ... and i can get to the login page just fine ... when i try to log in it doesnt seem to be working. what is HA looking for?
I'm sure it's some header mumbo ... I've added the Strict-Transport-Security and X-Forwarded-For bits. But it still doesn't seem to be loading.
clear ferry
dusky plank
forest edge
i refuse to click on facebook links
infact those should be added to hassbot so they are auto deleted with a harsh remark to the poster
clear ferry
I call Facebook Fjasbok in norwegian, literally translated to book of gibberish
clear ferry
@lapis cipher did you get your package yet ? 
lapis cipher
ingen packe yet for me @clear ferry - must be stuck in suez canal or something..
clear ferry
https://open.spotify.com/track/54KyRb8jJTNPx0kcQNUeIc?si=aW6xKz0YQtyNgmVFqop4Zw&utm_source=copy-link
hushed basalt
Get the keys to the house soon,
If settlement agent can pull their finger out
Then I'll have so many dilemmas. Shelly switches with dimmable fixed LEDs. Or Zigbee bulbs for CCT control. Arghh.
haughty flax
Yo guys anyone used Legrand Integration from 07.04.21?
dusky plank
not in this channel, no
hushed basalt
ZigBee CT 4 lyfe
$50+ a light though
And still doesn't solve the control surface problem
dusky plank
clear ferry
@hushed basalt psssh trådfri mafia
hushed basalt
deft pewter
Remind me, what do Americans use for their speed limits?
If anything, it's the average American that won't be able to perform the conversion.
orchid rose
triggered brit
deft pewter
'Triggered'? That's the one of the words millennials use when someone disagrees with them, right?
subtle pasture
Remind me, what do Americans use for their speed limits?
US uses Miles Per Hour, and the maximum speed limit varies by state
deft pewter
It was rhetorical but thanks 😄
subtle pasture
🤷♀️
deft pewter
I think we have enough of people bashing each other's cultures in here without shitty memes with fake stereotypes.
clear ferry
I thought it was Walmart's per Wendy's
In the South it might be gators per creamed corn
We just do regular bløtkake per lutfisk
deft pewter
Nah, let's keep it true to bad's meme. Something related to buffalo or indigenous people or enslavement 🤷♂️
Every nation has parts of its history it's not proud of.
clear ferry
You mean kangaroos per didgeridoo then
hushed basalt
'Triggered'? That's the one of the words millennials use when someone disagrees ...
No that's "check your privilege"
deft pewter
There's a whole load of dumb catchphrases, to be honest. 'OK, boomer' is another.
deft pewter
When people start using lame retorts, it's usually a sign they don't have a decent argument.
hushed basalt
You mean kangaroos per didgeridoo then
Investment properties per Commodore
deft pewter
No shoutout for quokkas?
molten osprey
websockets. its websockets.
That, and Safari.
Did not realise thats how HA works, so I enabled websockets on relayd. And that PARTIALLY solved the problem.
In Chrome, Firefox and Brave, Home Assistant now loads.
In Safari, it does not.
brisk glen
Because Safari supports web sockets
dusky plank
you need a second mac to replace a nvme drive for a mac pro. #bruh
molten osprey
Safari… what version of macOS are you on?
14.0.3
dusky plank
chrome and safari have the same engine.
practically no difference
dusky plank
its still webkit
molten osprey
I mean, I could just run back to nginx like a little bitch.
brisk glen
@molten osprey hold on.. ios?
molten osprey
No.
That was just in response to another comment.
Although, yes in iOS too.
but also macOS.
brisk glen
... macos is on 11.2.3
dusky plank
a lot of variables in play here, the dev console should give you clues why it fails
brisk glen
like webrtc vp9....
molten osprey
the dev console of ...
dusky plank
safari
brisk glen
what website is failing?
molten osprey
@brisk glen the web interface of my Home Assistant
brisk glen
o.o
I know for sure that it should work as im using safari and macos
something is foobarded
molten osprey
yes .... HA is fine, no problem. and safari through nginx is fine too. but safari through relayd as a reverse proxy works in other browsers but not safari.
brisk glen
relayd?
molten osprey
@dusky plank The web console in Safari did moan about something websocket related not happening.
brisk glen
seems to be a known issue https://deftly.net/posts/2019-10-23-websockets-with-relayd.html
i guess its doing something not exactly standard and safari is not happy
molten osprey
Yeah, I found that post too just now. After the dev console search.
brisk glen
im seeing a lot of websocket issues with this software...
molten osprey
@brisk glen Normally, I'm all on the side of Safari being the most standards-compliant. I'm not convinced that is the case here. Could be, just not convinced.
brisk glen
why not nginx?
brisk glen
Yah.. nginx, haproxy and… shudder traefik are better solutions
midnight adder
hello, i'm looking for help in esphome configuration of i2c port in a nodeMcu
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
Their Discord server will be the best place
midnight adder
thanks Tinkerer 😉
dusky plank
storm summit
anyone know what the issue is exactly with the analytics site not updating? seems like 4000 installations wouldn't be a lot of data to process.
storm summit
this is like the fight club channel, no?
clever mortar
ISTR it melted a bit
fiery nebula
Hello Everyone, I have a nest thermostat and use(d) badnest to control it. It seems that badnest github page is gone now. Any suggestions on what to use with nest thermostat as of now?
clever mortar
fiery nebula
will do. thanks.
deft pewter
The logarithmic scale on the analytics page confused me. I wondered how so many installation types were all so close to a 50% share 😄
I'm now a little sad that container is underrepresented.
Good to see Tinkerer is propping up the average number of entities and automations too 😂
clear ferry
Don't worry mono, I'll deploy 25000 core installs via ansible in the next few days @deft pewter , get the numbers properly weighted
glacial knot
and I wouldn't even be surprised if you can support them on your systems without trouble...
clear ferry
I could probably support a couple of hundred thousand if I borthered powering all the stuff in my garage
And I have access to 35000 physical servers in the US labs, plus 28000 in the India labs
glacial knot
can you set up distcc and give me access to that? 🙂
hybrid vector
Can anyone recommend me and extremely easy to use youtube downloader? just copy a playlist link and download all the videos. I use jdownloader but you have to unselect the qualities you don't like, the audio, pics... it downloads everything. It's for a friend no very tech-savvy
glacial knot
youtube-dl. It even got mpv integration 🙂
deft pewter
Get it before someone DMCA's it again 😂
glacial knot
I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least some "critical" infrastructure it's now embedded in, in some way
deft pewter
Someone attached it to the DMCA repo
glacial knot
Like, I know people with dumb ideas
Like encoding it into the graph structure of some ISPs core-net
deft pewter
There's a flaw in the way GitHub works that allows anyone to add to your history, so someone took the piss by adding it to DMCA.
They can't remove that code from the internet without taking down their own repo.
subtle pasture
Wasn't that done using a bug (or "unintended use-case") that github has still failed to resolve?
deft pewter
They refuse to fix it. I don't think they even acknowledge it.
hybrid vector
but it doesn't have a gui, does it?
subtle pasture
I see you already covered that above. lol
deft pewter
but it doesn't have a gui, does it?
It's a JavaScript library, I'm sure someone has put a UI over it.
If they haven't, you could.
glacial knot
You could just have a bash script that pops up a dialog that asks for the URI and passes it through
the defaults are fine for 99% of cases
deft pewter
It all just depends how comfortable you are with command line stuff
hybrid vector
It's for a friend who doesn't know whats a shell
I was going to teach him how to use jdownloader but I though maybe there's a software easier
lunar sundial
glacial knot
only 17min left. Then my print is done 😮
deft pewter
Decided to try a different cocktail for a change. Abbey 👌