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wild grove
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i had to google what it was. is it really fun and easy like their site says? im skeptical

low harness
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Easy... maybe with their hub/app. Fun? For ten minutes, sure.

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Imho

rustic jasper
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Hey, looking to do some under cabinet LEDs as DIY project and have never worked with LeD strips before. Been doing research and I get power consumption stuff and getting correct transformer for given strip length. What I am struggling with is how to drive the white temperature controls, everything I read is about RGB strips and RGBW. Since tunable whites is 2 white LEDs is just 2 can I use a rgb controller and just use 2 channels or do I need specific diver to control the 2 white channels?

wild grove
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i wonder if you could roll them like dice. does it have an orientation sensor?

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that'd be kinda fun

low harness
wild grove
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..and be perfectly balanced

low harness
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It does know which face you flip it to.

calm crow
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@low harness I'm using rotation to dim lights

trail crag
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They should make a pyramid where it's the part facing down which is active. Also would be more dangerous for falling or stepping on...add a little spice to things

clever mortar
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A D4 you said?

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Yes, they hurt when you step on them...

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Lego is nicer

wild grove
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yeah, ouch - gimme legos

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oh look, state_color in the WTH thread.

steel crag
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Lego is nicer
ouch

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I'm not sure but I think the forecast for 81.000000000001 inches of rain might be a little off

trail crag
steel crag
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I love that one

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there's one that goes on and on about the following days of drinking too

fallow fox
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Any Grafana gods around? I am trying to create a table from queries into an InfluxDB, but whatever I do I cannot get it to look right...

deft pewter
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That's the data nerd corner.

fallow fox
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Perfect! ๐Ÿ™‚

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Thanks!

steel crag
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We are just regular nerds in here, when we go to other channels our nerd morphs into other types

burnt plover
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Questions regarding booting HA with a RPI4 from a SSD, what channel should I ask in?

velvet horizonBOT
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@burnt plover Not sure which install you're using? If you have system_health enabled you can check Configuration -> Info, or see the following.

  • If you're using HassOS, flashed an image, or booted a VM with an image you're using #330990055533576204

  • If you installed Linux and then ran a script to install HA and have add-ons then you have #330944238910963714

  • If you're running docker commands or use a Docker manager and have no add-ons then you have #449717345808547842

  • Finally, if you use pip to install or upgrade you have #551864459891703809

Having difficulty chosing an install method? See this blog post for guidance.

clever mortar
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โ˜๏ธ in the relevant one of those

burnt plover
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Great, thanks

brisk glen
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oh I need to buy some more SSDs.... but its SSDs or more light and sensors

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budgeting sucks

strange vapor
last dirge
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porque no los dos

strange vapor
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(Not helping, I know!)

brisk glen
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@strange vapor budget

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wife

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I got her fully on board with automation but there are limits

deft pewter
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If the problem is that your partner thinks you spend too much, the trick is to buy them nice things too.

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Or time your purchases to coincide with a large purchase of their own.

last dirge
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like I bought a nice camera and lenses

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my wife bought a new dining room table/chairs

deft pewter
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And you'll both enjoy them equally ๐Ÿ˜„

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Feels like you got the better end of that deal. You benefit from both.

forest edge
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I bought a pair of underwear and the wife bought herself a new car.. see it all works

deft pewter
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Must've been some expensive Y-fronts.

forest edge
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I wanted a snickers bar but we couldn't afford the house she wanted

last dirge
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ha

steel crag
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well I think they have a trade in program for wives

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RMA maybe?

brisk glen
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@deft pewter Im going to buy her a n apple watch 6 ๐Ÿ˜’

deft pewter
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When I wanted a smartwatch, I got us both one. She had no reason to complain ๐Ÿ˜„

brisk glen
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her first before I upgrade my series 1

steel crag
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When I wanted a smartwatch, I got us both one. She had no reason to complain ๐Ÿ˜„
I asked for one for christmas and so did she

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so it worked out

last dirge
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I haven't worn a watch in over a decade

deft pewter
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I haven't worn a watch since March.

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If I never leave the house, I don't need to know the time.

last dirge
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thought about getting a smart watch but figured it'd end up just in the drawer

steel crag
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well I use mine to control HA

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and have alexa on it

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๐Ÿ˜„

deft pewter
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Yeah, if you don't already regularly wear a watch, a smartwatch is probably a bad idea.

brisk glen
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you do not care for one until you realize how much you look at your phone for notifications

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heh same, I use mine to control the home

deft pewter
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I loved having OTP on my wrist so I didn't have to take my phone out of my pocket all day at work.

steel crag
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there's an HA App on the samsung store ๐Ÿ˜„

last dirge
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I bought an inexpensive Chinese automatic watch to see if I could get back into wearing a watch

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but alas

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I installed mobile electronics for 3ish years

steel crag
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well I often don't take mine off because I also use the sleep tracker

last dirge
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after the second time I got my hand stuck in/behind a dash, I took off the watch and didn't put it back on

brisk glen
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I get a picture notification every time some one parks in my reserved parking spot so I can get the satisfaction of towing their ass

steel crag
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I installed mobile electronics for 3ish years
telecom installer for 19 years so yeah feel you on that

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after the second time I got my hand stuck in/behind a dash, I took off the watch and didn't put it back on
I once welded my watch to a wrench in a battery box

brisk glen
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I want the apple watch 6 due to blood oxygen monitor + sleep tracking?

steel crag
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because some moron flipped the breaker with my hands in there

brisk glen
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plus faster always on your wrist voice assistant

steel crag
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-48v DC Arcs pretty well

deft pewter
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Please say you continued to wear the watch with the wrench attached.

steel crag
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Please say you continued to wear the watch with the wrench attached.
it actually broke off chasing the guy

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LOL

deft pewter
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See the install channels, @scarlet quest. Lounge isn't for support.

scarlet quest
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Sure np, thanks!

brisk glen
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@deft pewter issue is her does not know what install he wants :p

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shit im drunk

deft pewter
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The links in the topics of each are a good place to start ๐Ÿ™‚

steel crag
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don't tag mono he will be unpleased

brisk glen
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when you cant type is when you know you are drunk

deft pewter
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Eh. The occasional tag isn't a problem.

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TIL I'm always drunk.

last dirge
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@scarlet quest good luck ๐Ÿ™‚ it's a lot of fun

brisk glen
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carbonated wine is good

scarlet quest
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Which support channel should be used for install questions? Sorry for my ignorance

brisk glen
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for which install?

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๐Ÿค”

steel crag
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Which support channel should be used for install questions? Sorry for my ignorance
sound like you want #330944238910963714

deft pewter
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The ones listed under 'Installation method'

scarlet quest
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Ah I see

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Where can info be found about the diffrence in them?

deft pewter
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Here:

velvet horizonBOT
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Not sure which install you're using? If you have system_health enabled you can check Configuration -> Info, or see the following.

  • If you're using HassOS, flashed an image, or booted a VM with an image you're using #330990055533576204

  • If you installed Linux and then ran a script to install HA and have add-ons then you have #330944238910963714

  • If you're running docker commands or use a Docker manager and have no add-ons then you have #449717345808547842

  • Finally, if you use pip to install or upgrade you have #551864459891703809

Having difficulty chosing an install method? See this blog post for guidance.

scarlet quest
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Obviously I know containers and OS but the others

deft pewter
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KrAzIe doesn't know the commands ๐Ÿ˜„

steel crag
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because didn't think I had access to them

deft pewter
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Beyond what that bot message says, the rest is in the topics of those channels.

brisk glen
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what If I installed HA under homeassistent os under portioner so its now its a classic? docker container?

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๐Ÿ˜›

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that guy who had a docker in vm in a vm

last dirge
brisk glen
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hyper v > kvm > docker lol

scarlet quest
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Well, I'm not tryna run a whole ass OS lmfaoo

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Gonna use docker prolly

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Just looking to run it as a webserver if psosible

brisk glen
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docker compose?

scarlet quest
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not even sure wtf this does besides a little bit I read, my dad just asked me to look about it lol

brisk glen
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best way for the most flexibility and laziness

scarlet quest
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I love docker already haha

brisk glen
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run ha inside docker and reverse nginx proxy it

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done

scarlet quest
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That's exactly what i was looking for yeah

brisk glen
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really tho carbonated wine like a summer drink should be banned

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im drunk without realizing it

unique quarry
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Reminds me of boons farm

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They still alive wije coolers?

thick dragon
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Anyone know if there's a way to check if your IP is on a CGNAT range?

tacit tapir
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Just updated to 0.114.0, love the darkmode! Even with the fact that I got blinded 1 minute after that by opening node-red๐Ÿ˜…

errant bough
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I wanna get a Roborock but they just seem near impossible to find.

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Might just grab an Xiaomi Mi vacuum instead instead of waiting weeks for a Roborock to appear used somewhere

thick dragon
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Same thing @errant bough, just different branding. You set the Roborocks up in the Mi Home app.

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They're great, but the discontinuing of the S5 range is a bit of a bummer.

errant bough
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I wanted the S4 but it seems like I'll just need to grab an Xiaomi one off Aliexpress. The only thing on Canadian Amazon is those $200 generic brand ones

steel crag
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Anyone know if there's a way to check if your IP is on a CGNAT range?
yes, check your WAN IP

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and see if it's on a private range

carmine pulsar
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Erm can someone help... so when trying to sign into home assistant forums for help I went to change password but to change password I need a 2 step code which was never setup?

tidal bronze
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@shy comet this heat is crazy or what?

shy comet
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its nuts

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my ac hasnt been given a rest much

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u?

tidal bronze
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Same. 10 to 12 hours all 3 units.

static schooner
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rolling blackouts in CA handle that for me ๐Ÿ™‚

tidal bronze
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Not DWP

static schooner
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only once so far, but they threaten every day

errant bough
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Man, I wish Xiaomi made it easier to identify the model of their products. Gonna make it harder to find one that supports valetudo

tidal bronze
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@shy comet jumped in lately ?

shy comet
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naw we havnet

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i prety much avoid going outside after like 10am lol

tidal bronze
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Lol.

shy comet
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about the same here...mind you thats the temp in the middle of hte pool....top layer is easy another 5-10 hotter lol

tidal bronze
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8" on mine.

shy comet
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weve been pretty much staying in and playing on the nintendo switch

tidal bronze
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Yep circulate for 15 and drops 5 degrees.

shy comet
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wife is hooked on animal crossings lol

tidal bronze
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I've been killing time aligning SUBS and fine tuning crossovers. Pissed I started this again. Never ends.

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Probably 200 plus readings. ๐Ÿ˜‚

shy comet
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omg lol

tidal bronze
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Trying to dial in for every seat is a task. But then again no one in the house would care if there's a dip at 77hz. LMAO.

shy comet
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hahah

wild grove
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Are you using Rew?

tidal bronze
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BTW Netflix Atmos is a just a damn joke on some tittles.

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Yes.

shy comet
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yea it is a joke on certain content

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you konw what else is a joke? when you see a 4k bluray release that lacks 3d audio

wild grove
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I never do much with sub other then phase and xover. Placement for null/modes where possible

shy comet
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looking at you Pitch Black

wild grove
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"marketing"

tidal bronze
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@wild grove I am pretty picky on subs to main smooth handoff.

wild grove
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Yeah. The upper range is tough. Need to avoid directionality

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Big l/r can help :)

tidal bronze
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Fronts are FS.

steel crag
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I'm sure I need to tune my 7.1 better

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I dunno if I trust these tuning mics tho

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๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

shy comet
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7.1? time for 5.1.2 ๐Ÿ˜›

tidal bronze
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UMIK is pretty good

steel crag
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well my AVR can do 7.2

wild grove
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7.2.4 people

tidal bronze
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I run. 7.4.4

thick dragon
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5.1.2 is plenty enough for the size of my lounge room ๐Ÿ˜›

wild grove
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But I'm too scared to cut holes in ceiling

steel crag
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hey I only just got an A/V receiver again after my Onkyo blew up

wild grove
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Awww I loved my old obkyo

steel crag
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and this room is only 14*14

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so 7.1 is plenty

tidal bronze
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No Atmos ?

steel crag
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LOL @130w per channel

wild grove
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Square! Any treatments?

tidal bronze
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I would do 5.1.2 over 7.x any day.

steel crag
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yeah I have Atmos

tidal bronze
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You said 7.1

steel crag
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ok AVR Is capable

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of Atmos

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MY BAD

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geesh

shy comet
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๐Ÿ˜›

steel crag
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LOL

tidal bronze
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7.1 is not Atmos ๐Ÿ˜†

wild grove
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What did your replace onkyo with

steel crag
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aware....

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Denon AVR-3200w

wild grove
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Like it?

shy comet
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i have a Onkyo TX-NR777 here

steel crag
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7.1 is not Atmos ๐Ÿ˜†
@tidal bronze but that's what Im currently configured for

tidal bronze
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Huh.

wild grove
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I had the dtc 9.8 then upgraded for a 4k path

tidal bronze
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How many max channels processing ?

wild grove
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One of my favorite automations is an alert when motion is seen outside kids rooms when ht is on

thick dragon
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I have a Sony STR-DN1080. More than enough for what I needed, despite not having Audyssey. Still rocking some 10+ year old DALI Concept speakers (8s for front, center, sub, 2s for rears).

tidal bronze
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Get a warning ? ๐Ÿ˜‚ @wild grove

wild grove
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My speakers and amps are all over 10 years.

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Yup. Android notification

tidal bronze
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Nice.

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Minidsp 2x4HD simply rocks.

steel crag
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quadflight Im not sure looking in manual

wild grove
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I never heard dali but look nice

tidal bronze
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Nothing like time aligning subs to main with REW. Best thing ever.

steel crag
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I've got some not too bad Onkyo speakers on this Denon

tidal bronze
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If you are 7.1 I would definitely go 5.1.2

wild grove
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@tidal bronze I done have the patience. Make house calls?

tidal bronze
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Pretty easy.

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5 mins

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It's on the new beta version

wild grove
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Ah

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I tire of the iterations

tidal bronze
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Gives the result in ft or seconds. Plug it in to AVR done.

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All pre 80hz dips can be fixed just with alignment

wild grove
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Anthems arc is pretty decent would be cool to compare

tidal bronze
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Not like REW I hear.

wild grove
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Will check it out

steel crag
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If you are 7.1 I would definitely go 5.1.2
@tidal bronze well at least that's shortening the speaker cables not lengthening them

tidal bronze
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Measure subs 20-200, power off subs measure fronts, time alightment at 80hz and bam. ๐Ÿ˜† @wild grove

steel crag
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I still haven't set up Zone 2 yet I was toying with taking those speaking for front channels in the bedroom

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but meh

tidal bronze
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I run zone 2 and 3 on both AVRs but line level for external amps.

steel crag
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well I'm trying to keep a receiver/amp OUT of the bedroom LOL

tidal bronze
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If you are running ASIO you can align 7.1 individually .

steel crag
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I still can't find the amount of channel processing

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LOL

wild grove
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Sweet thanks for ss

steel crag
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@lucid dock I have my AVR back integrated if you still want me to check some things for you ๐Ÿ˜„

rigid oriole
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Hi, has anyone had any joy with controlling home assistant via an android wear os watch? I'm trying to think of the best way to do it. Is there an app? A custom panel?

steel crag
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there's an app for Tizen which I run on my G3 Frontier

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I dunno about wear OS

rigid oriole
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Actually I have a question about that!

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With a tizen watch, controlling your smarthome, do you need to wake watch, go to app, press button do do something?

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Or can you just to it with a single button push when the screen is off?

steel crag
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I typically use alexa from my watch but if not I use the app

rigid oriole
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Do you need to wake the watch to use either of those? This is basically the only thing thats held me back from buying a tizen watch

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Really hard to find an answer without owning one

steel crag
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when I move my wrist the watch wakes

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but I do have to press a button for alexa

rigid oriole
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Ah, press button once --> speak, thats OK, thats pretty much what I do with wear OS right now

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Thanks for that

steel crag
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np

last dirge
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I think @tidal bronze has an android wear device

rigid oriole
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Well, if anyone who has one could point me in the right direction it would be much appreciated

last dirge
static schooner
last dirge
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that's a lot of shit

static schooner
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Much of it is redundant between the two

last dirge
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it's rebuilding/resizing right now

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just put the 5th drive in

forest edge
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mirrors upon mirrors of the same single 200kb jpeg picture of his mom

static schooner
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Both SHR-2, plus a lot is in the cloud. Iโ€™m not losing shit, ever

last dirge
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what model?

static schooner
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1515+ plus the 5-bay adder and an 1819+

last dirge
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damn

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I've just got a single 1512+

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I just restarted the stuff I shut down while it was rebuilding and the CPU's not happy

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what cloud backup are you using?

static schooner
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The 1515+ has been replaced twice due to the stupid Atom 2538 processor issue (it just dies and doesnโ€™t start again), but other than that I love them

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Crash plan

last dirge
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I've had zero problems with mine

static schooner
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$10/month per machine, multi platform including headless, unlimited data

last dirge
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two of my drives started reporting bad sectors and failed writes so I just swapped all of 'em

static schooner
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Best deal going

last dirge
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is that a recent change?

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last time I looked they didn't allow servers

static schooner
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Yes. You could always use servers headless, but they kept making it more difficult. Then they switched to Crashplan for Small Business and got rid of Home entirely

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I just run a Docker instance of Crashplan Pro now

last dirge
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you do newsgroups?

static schooner
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I looked into everything a couple of years ago and nothing else came close

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I used to, but stopped once it seemed like everything was blocked

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I used to run all my services (DNS, DHCP, VPN, etc) on the Synology until the Atom debacle. It has a really nice interface

last dirge
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I like it

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I just ordered RAM to upgarade it

static schooner
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Both of mine are 16GB

last dirge
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heh

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mine's got 1, I think

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yeah, 1GB

static schooner
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Itโ€™s kinda my base for any computing equipment these days

last dirge
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MASSIVE MEMORY

static schooner
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Crashplan wants a lot of RAM for many TB of data uploaded

last dirge
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she's unhappy

static schooner
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And I just donโ€™t want to open it again. Easier on the 1819+, a pain on the 1515+

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Yeah, spend the $100 or whatever and never worry again

last dirge
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odd that all the new stuff seems to be even numbers of drives

static schooner
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Better for a RAID config perhaps

last dirge
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I guess if you're not doing hot spares

static schooner
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Although SHR throws a lot of that out the window. Itโ€™s really flexible

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My coworker also has an 1819+ and he added like 3 drives to his existing array and was dismayed to find that it didnโ€™t increase his capacity at all.

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RAID math is funny. Always consult a simulator before buying more drives ๐Ÿ™‚

last dirge
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I replaced all 3TB with 12TB

static schooner
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Wow. 8 was the biggest reasonable ones when I built out my 1819

last dirge
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was like $15/gb

static schooner
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The problem I kept running into was buying cold spares of the current size, then upgrading when the price came down. Now Iโ€™m stuck with a bunch of unused tiny drives ๐Ÿ™‚

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Whatโ€™s a 2TB drive even good for ๐Ÿ™‚

wet pilot
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Game drive in a pc

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Steam cache?

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Apt/yum mirror?

static schooner
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Not a gamer, and my Macs either have built in NVMe or SSDs

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So they gather dust in the march to worthlessness

wet pilot
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Lol

static schooner
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I have so many devices like that

wet pilot
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Drums for a floppitron

static schooner
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Donate to Goodwill, maybe.

last dirge
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sell on amazon

wet pilot
last dirge
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or ebay

static schooner
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I havenโ€™t had a drive go bad in years, and I have a lot of spinning drives. Theyโ€™ve improved considerably.

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Used to be a once or twice a year thing, and I used to RMA them in

last dirge
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SMART stats on the drives that were starting to get sketchy said they got put in the array 10 years ago

hushed basalt
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I've got a bunch of 500GB 2.5" drives

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I'll probably just trash them when I get around to it

wet pilot
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If you have a PS3 or PS4 that still runs that might be an upgrade for them

static schooner
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I use one when I want to make a local Timemachine backup when updating my MacBook or reimaging it. Thatโ€™s about it

slow wraith
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Hi guys/girls...just joined this channel....and just started with homeassistant in combination with some shellies plugs and smart bulbs and sonos..so far looking good ๐Ÿ™‚

hushed basalt
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It's a disease

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When I tell normal people I have 50 devices they look shocked

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But I'm only padawan level

clever mortar
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They breed, I tell you

hushed basalt
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I'm sure a lot of people here have 250+

clever mortar
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I've only got about 80 or so all in, but it depends on where you draw the line on what's for HA and what isn't

dusky plank
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is there a int devicecount ?

clever mortar
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What?

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Last I checked that wasn't large enough to hold anything useful, overflows all over the place

dusky plank
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uint maybe?

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I have no idea how many devices I have

deft pewter
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Nah, you clearly want an unsigned long long.

clever mortar
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I prefer a double

deft pewter
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Still only 64 bits, right? Barely enough to count your devices.

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There's a long double? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

dusky plank
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{{ states.switch | count }} = 56 
{{ states.binary_sensor | count }} = 25
{{ states.sensor | count }} = 252 ```
uint it is
hushed basalt
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I consider a device anything that is a real world device that is registered in HA and can give or take commands or give data

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So sensors, lights, media players, alarms, covers

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I wouldn't count stuff tracked in unifi register etc

amber bramble
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@light trout updated to 0.115.0.dev20200819 ๐Ÿ˜€

light trout
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Nice! ๐ŸŽ‰

steel crag
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When I tell normal people I have 50 devices they look shocked
I have 19 sonoffs installed and I'm getting close to 50 total

glacial sentinel
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Hello folks!...I'm a recent addition to the HomeAssistant world and love the tool.....it appears, however, that I locked my cloud account....how do I go about unlocking?

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wait...just got word from the support folks.....it appears the problem may be located somewhere between the chair and the keyboard...

last dirge
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heh

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step 1 in troubleshooting: how could I have screwed this up?

clever mortar
steel crag
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step 1 in troubleshooting: how could I have screwed this up?
@last dirge Step 2. How DID I screw it up?

last dirge
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right

steel crag
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wait...just got word from the support folks.....it appears the problem may be located somewhere between the chair and the keyboard...
oooohhhhhh a PEBKAC error

clever mortar
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Aka layer 8

steel crag
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Aka layer 8
@clever mortar the OSI really forgot that one

dusky plank
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does this only happen when being home or also when on the road? the latter would be kind of unfortunate

clever mortar
velvet horizonBOT
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The topic of this channel is:

NO HOME ASSISTANT SUPPORT HERE (look at the other channels for that). NO POLITICS OR RELIGION!

BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

clever mortar
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โ˜๏ธ

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That too ๐Ÿ˜‰ No support here

steel crag
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someone learned me some commands

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๐Ÿ˜„

dusky plank
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didnโ€˜t feel like this was a aupport question, stupid me

pastel forum
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not really a support/technical/HA query, more hoping for second ideas! so in my hallway, I have ceiling lights similar-ish to these.... https://www.diy.com/departments/tornado-blue-led-chrome-effect-6-lamp-spotlight-plate/109459_BQ.prd. I'd put in smart GU10s - until I realised that the blue accent LEDs remains on when power is on - so if I turn off the GU10s via software, the accent LEDs remains on. Any ideas, short of getting an electrician out & doing something - be it to replace the plate with something else or to disconnect the accent LEDs? I did briefly consider taping over the accent LEDs with opaque tape (e.g. duck tape) but that's ugly & the LEDs would still be drawing power... ๐Ÿค”

clever mortar
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I'd open it up and disconnect the LEDs

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Or replace it with something that doesn't require eye-bleach ๐Ÿ˜›

pastel forum
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@clever mortar 240V & not "competent" (although I did have a look see the other day ๐Ÿ˜‰ - didn't touch anything though! Just to look - there's a transformer of some sort - I think to pull it down to 12V for the diodes?)

clever mortar
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#diy-archived may be able to help you, maybe - but you'll be opening it up to find out

pastel forum
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Yeah - in any case, technically not "competent" so I'd likely be invalidating my home insurance if I tried to DIY it unfortunately

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(even though it would be a dead easy job)

clever mortar
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Ok, so... you want a solution, that doesn't require any skills?

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Tape, or replace it with something else then

pastel forum
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Yeah.... ๐Ÿคท Ah well, was hoping there'd be yet another option I'd overlooked, ha

clever mortar
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TBH, opening it up and having a look is pretty safe. I've poked inside many things and I'm no electrician

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Best case it's obvious, or with pictures somebody can guide you

pastel forum
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Yep - like I say, I've already peeked & it looks easy enough. But at the end of the day, I'm in the UK & mains is 220V

clever mortar
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Worst case, you take it back and buy something else

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Yeah, so am I ๐Ÿ˜‰

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220V isn't that big a deal, wait until you poke inside some multi-phase stuff ๐Ÿ˜„

pastel forum
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๐Ÿ˜ฑ

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It's more likely I'd go & replace the downlighters anyway - the chrome + accent LEDs is a little tacky, ha. But something for a rainy day <looks outside> ๐Ÿ‘€

deft pewter
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I wouldn't worry about the 'competent' rules. If your IQ is above 80, you're probably okay.

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You just need to follow sensible precautions like isolating circuits before you put your fingers in things, and making safe and secure connections.

clever mortar
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And don't short anything...

pastel forum
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@deft pewter I guess I'm just cautious due to the fact we're talking 220V plus the risks of invalidating my insurance

clever mortar
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Also, from repeated experience I can tell you that a modern house with breakers is pretty safe to screw things up on

deft pewter
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You're hardly going to screw up a 12V circuit so badly you burn your house down.

clever mortar
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I've popped those more than once when I've got things wrong, including when my 240V LED strip shorted and caught fire

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I did get yelled at for that one - but then I got yelled at when I forgot to turn the power off and got a gentle shock

pastel forum
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Heh. May post in #diy-archived or on Reddit then after I've got pics of the internals of the chrome panel

deft pewter
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The only time I was slightly worried I'd done something wrong was when replacing a light fixture. I'd isolated the mains while there was still a bulb in, so I knew there was no power... but still got a tingly hand when I brushed against something ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

clever mortar
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Well, I know from experience that UK mains is enough to spot weld if you get the right kind of short...

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I've also got "tingles" from when to adjacent items on different phases weren't correctly earthed. That was ... interesting

pastel forum
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Yep

steel crag
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I've gotten a few tingles working in boxes too, but apparently when you tell people you are working on electrics and you turned off the breaker, they think that means "oh turn on the breaker"

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I now turn off the OUTSIDE main breaker as well.

clever mortar
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This is why these things have lockouts, at least in a commercial setting

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Actually, even my home fusebox supports being padlocked

pastel forum
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well here in the UK (at least in my home), the wiring does tend to be to a better standard so circuit breakers do actually shut off the electricity (at least I'd hope!)

clever mortar
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You're supposed to test that, at least at the fusebox, regularly.

steel crag
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Actually, even my home fusebox supports being padlocked
@clever mortar yeah mine supports it too, but as I was working actively on electrics I tend not to lock the box

clever mortar
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I never do, I let my screwups do that testing

steel crag
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well here in the UK (at least in my home), the wiring does tend to be to a better standard so circuit breakers do actually shut off the electricity (at least I'd hope!)
UK wiring doesn't count, you can shut that off at the switch also LOL

pastel forum
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@steel crag that is true - especially in the case of ceiling lights

deft pewter
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This is why you leave the light switch turned on so that when you isolate the mains, you can look at the bulb and see it's now off.

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Bonus points if you leave the light in another room switched on as a backup.

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Even when the light you're working on is disconnected, you'll know if the mains goes back on because another light illuminates.

pastel forum
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ghosts don't inhabit my flat - at least I hope not!

steel crag
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Even when the light you're working on is disconnected, you'll know if the mains goes back on because another light illuminates.
yeah I normally would have them all off, but wasn't at my house was trying to get fans working at a volunteer camp

deft pewter
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Still a good precaution to take. Get in the habit of having redundant checks.

steel crag
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I left a spotter at the breaker box too but he fucked off to talk to some chick

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oh but trust me the person who flipped the breaker spent 2 weeks with no fans in their room, so I got my own back

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๐Ÿ˜„

deft pewter
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And taking these kind of precautions are what makes someone competent vs just some idiot poking a screwdriver at live wires.

clever mortar
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Or some ex idiot

static schooner
steel crag
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I always walk around with one of these when doing electrical work:
I was at a volunteer camp, I didn't have my tool box with me ๐Ÿ˜„

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I was lucky to find an insulated screwdriver on site

deft pewter
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Pro-tip: you can include links wrapped with <> to prevent the previews ๐Ÿ˜‰

velvet horizonBOT
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You can disable link preview in Discord by adding < before and > after the URL, like this: <http://home-assistant.io/>

deft pewter
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There's a command for that.

steel crag
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thanks but I meant to delete it and screwed it up ๐Ÿ˜„

deft pewter
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Getting the first preview from Rob's post was okay. Seeing it twice was weird ๐Ÿ˜„

static schooner
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my coworkers find it amusing that I even bother to turn off the breaker when working on an electrical box

steel crag
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I did get the tag removed tho @deft pewter ๐Ÿ˜„

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uh oh but I tagged you ๐Ÿ˜›

clever mortar
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I used to work with a sparkie who'd worked in power stations. The tales he told me taught me that electricity is not your friend.

steel crag
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my coworkers find it amusing that I even bother to turn off the breaker when working on an electrical box
you could always let THEM do it

clever mortar
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Turns out that KV is a good way of turning humans into ex-humans, very very fast

steel crag
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Turns out that KV is a good way of turning humans into ex-humans, very very fast
and even ex-solid matter

clever mortar
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Charcoal, or ... if things to wrong enough ... strawberry jam

dusky plank
steel crag
dusky plank
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9

last dirge
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@clever mortar depending on the conditions, it's also a good way to turn nearby humans into far away humans in a hurry

last dirge
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especially if the voltage is OVER NINE THOUSAND

steel crag
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-48v @ 190A is not to be sneezed at

hushed basalt
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Especially if you drop a spanner on the bus

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It'd be crazy to touch a 500kv live conductor

steel crag
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yeah I don't trust anyone that much LOL

hushed basalt
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Not the sort of job you want HR pushing random people into your team

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Those guys would literally walk off if someone tried that.

steel crag
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Not the sort of job you want HR pushing random people into your team
eggszachary

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I've worked on 150ft towers but not with 500kv LOL

acoustic talon
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anyone here knowledgeable with using esp32?

hushed basalt
rigid oriole
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Has anyone had much luck integrating voice commands into home assistant to an advanced level?

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I'm looking for some direction on the natural language processing part

last dirge
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@hushed basalt I assume you've seen the guys servicing hydro lines via helicopter while wearing chainmail

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@rigid oriole did you look at mindmeld?

steel crag
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@hushed basalt I assume you've seen the guys servicing hydro lines via helicopter while wearing chainmail
@last dirge the only heli's in this country are on yachts or looking for drugs

last dirge
rigid oriole
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@last dirge I'm not sure what that is but I'll take a look. I basically don't know a thing about the subject!

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Basically, I can capture speech, turn it into cleaned up text no problem, but the way I've got of having tech understand the text really needs work I think

granite hare
forest edge
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Virtual Home Assistant. Control your home in VR while you live in VR

chilly cipher
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so.. how do people handle name schemas for all sensors/devices ?

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and .. groups

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i guess if groups were configurable from UI i would treat devices (such a bulbs) as cattle not pets

clever mortar
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It varies, a lot, and there's a few hundred/thousand responses in the history across the channels here

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Personally I go with most significant to least significant, for example light.kitchen_table_left

orchid rose
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VR is pretty neat already and next gen will be amazing. We might need HA for our virtual homes soon ๐Ÿ‘€

dusky plank
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just configured fail2ban. i like fail2ban

chilly cipher
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yeah, that should pretty much be installed by default on all distro's

chilly cipher
#

so... i migrated from zwave to ozw, but one of my sensors is not pulling up, how can i investigate why ozw isnt ... seeing it ?

last dirge
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probably get more input there

clever mortar
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Also in the channel topic here ๐Ÿ˜‰

chilly cipher
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oh oops.

last dirge
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it's fine

steel crag
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I just SSH'ed into my HA and I noticed my ping times went from 4ms to 6ms, anyway to fix this? I don't wanna share logs or listen tho

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LOL

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good morning my neighbors ๐Ÿ˜„

trail crag
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@steel crag reinstall

main inlet
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You had me there from the first half, not gonna lie

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Have you considered purchasing a Wink subscription? Should do the trick

clever mortar
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Power cycle the house

trail crag
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How can I install wink on CentOS?

steel crag
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I rebooted the house still no go I'mma try the neighbors house

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@steel crag reinstall
I reinstalled HA on my TI-86 but I'm not able to access the GUI now

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can I get grafana to run on the display?

dusky plank
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use FTP

main inlet
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Do you have a Ham radio license? You can use some SSB radio relays to bump that number way up. I'm thinking somewhere around 300ms is achievable.

midnight adder
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is pyton is synchronous? I guess so. but not shure

steel crag
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Do you have a Ham radio license? You can use some SSB radio relays to bump that number way up. I'm thinking somewhere around 300ms is achievable.
actually it's funny you should mention it

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is pyton is synchronous? I guess so. but not shure
pyton maybe, but python does both

midnight adder
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python ofc ๐Ÿคก there you see how far I am at the moment ๐Ÿ˜„

steel crag
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maybe this will help

midnight adder
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lol, maybe a little - so python is synchronous by nature but asynchronous is possible

steel crag
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I just SSH'ed into my HA and I noticed my ping times went from 4ms to 6ms, anyway to fix this? I don't wanna share logs or listen tho
I just had to deal with a me

late gate
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Is it any interest with community discount on smarthome products on ebay stores etc? I have asked around for bulk deals on some products, and he asked if its possible to give community discounts. I have no idea who to ask about this

steel crag
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well I guess that would depend on the regions also, we are spread all around the world ....

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this wouldn't benefit me any I don't think because I'd still probably be the only one in The Bahamas ordering anything ๐Ÿ˜„

late gate
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I guess it regard everyone as its an ebay store that send with dhl as standard

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dont want to mention the store name before I know its ok

clever mortar
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Open a post on the forum about it, that's fine. Just be very clear about where in the world etc ๐Ÿ˜‰

late gate
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I think that I will just order for him to see that he send good products, then ask him to make a discount code or something I can post

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if he seem like a good seller

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for me he gave 10-20% under aliexpress price on the sonoff sensors so it could help others if he is willing to give same discounts

terse stag
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custom button card is a lot of fun to use

terse stag
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the light color variables (combined with greyscale for state: off) make for super-intuitive buttons

deft pewter
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But that z-index ๐Ÿคข

terse stag
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rofl

deft pewter
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The highlight is neat. I mostly like what you've done there... it's just odd that you expect cards to share a z-index and the highlight is behind one but in front of another.

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Has the effect of pulling the 'lit' button forward, which doesn't feel right with the clean, flat theme.

terse stag
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I will defer to the CSS pros on this one; I am a "follow the tutorial and hope for the best" type of user

deft pewter
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Eh. If you like it, that's all that matters. I assume you're not building something for millions of users ๐Ÿ˜„

terse stag
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but this is the best part of the HA community to me: hey, that's a neat thing, also I know how to make it better

steel crag
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mono usually knows all the best ways

deft pewter
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Oh, I'm not going to suggest how to make it better. I'm just grumpy and critical ๐Ÿ˜„

steel crag
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and I literally was about to type he's just grumpy

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but he beat me to it

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๐Ÿ˜„

deft pewter
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Haha, I know very little in the way of good design. I used to manage some websites but I was always more comfortable with the logic than the visuals.

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I can explain why something doesn't look right to me but I usually can't come up with a better way of doing it ๐Ÿ˜„

steel crag
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I usually can identify a problem, but have no clue how to fix it

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until I go read volumes and volumes and have people call me dumb a while

deft pewter
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Only a while? ๐Ÿ˜‰

terse stag
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better to see the wasp in the room than not

steel crag
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well in your case I think if I redid the space station you'd still call me a dumbass in PM ๐Ÿ˜›

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but it's welcome ๐Ÿ˜›

deft pewter
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Naw, I insult people in the open.

steel crag
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hey I'll take my licks in private and my praise in public please

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LOL

terse stag
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space station 2: now available as a home assistant add-on

steel crag
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space station 2: now available as a home assistant add-on
mono would then add in "built by that dummy KrAzIe242"

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LOL

clever mortar
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Space Station 2.0: Now with less holes

terse stag
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just fill the holes with bugs

clever mortar
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By version 3.5 they'll include air

deft pewter
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For anyone that's played Eve Online, I reckon KrAzIe would build something from the Minmatar race.
For anyone that's not played it... there are 4 races, 3 of which build really impressive, sleek, beautiful spaceships. Then the Minmatar ones are basically rust held together with duct tape ๐Ÿคฃ

steel crag
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For anyone that's played Eve Online, I reckon KrAzIe would build something from the Minmatar race.
For anyone that's not played it... there are 4 races, 3 of which build really impressive, sleek, beautiful spaceships. Then the Minmatar ones are basically rust held together with duct tape ๐Ÿคฃ
that was below the belt mono

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if it should move and doesn't, WD-40. If it shouldn't move but does, duct tape.

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been my mantra for ages

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sooooo that being said there'd be a ton of WD-40, so that would be rid of the rust... and the duct tape... that part is probably 100% true. Gaffer tape if I was trying to hide it.

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๐Ÿ˜„

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I take that back

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mono may have paid me his first compliment ๐Ÿ˜„

deft pewter
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Yes... they're a jack of all trades ๐Ÿ˜‰

steel crag
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Ok mono this is weird, I need you to go back to being grumpy

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LOL

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Yes... they're a jack of all trades ๐Ÿ˜‰
like seriously this is me in real life tho

deft pewter
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Not sure why you're happy, that was a thinly-veiled insult... the saying ends with 'but master of none' ๐Ÿ˜„

steel crag
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because a thinly-veiled insult comes from someone who respects you ๐Ÿ˜›

deft pewter
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I can't win here, can I? ๐Ÿ˜„

steel crag
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you can try

deft pewter
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I'm gonna call it a night and get some reading in. Take it easy

clever mortar
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A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.

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๐Ÿ˜‰

steel crag
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but I'd die before giving up on anything so ....

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I'd prefer to be a soldier in a garden, than a gardener in a war

late gate
#

took a chance to bid on two google hub max (the large assistant screen) and won two for 30usd/pc. Actually got them today, unopened in a box. I call that a deal. Nice size on the speakers too

turbid stirrup
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By version 3.5 they'll include air
@clever mortar but you have to configure the gas components yourself in a yaml before you suffocate after you realize you need air

steel crag
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but you have to configure the gas components yourself in a yaml before you suffocate after you realize you need air
but by then I'll move that to the UI

main inlet
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I have one question, how do side by side activated buttons look?

main inlet
#

I hate this whole community

compact cobalt
#

dunno where to ask this, but I want to add a pretty simple feature (add polling interval option to spotify integration config), do I need to make a forum post in order to do so? Or should it be a GitHub issue

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I'd imagine I should ask first so my PR doesn't get shot down immediately

steel crag
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dunno where to ask this, but I want to add a pretty simple feature (add polling interval option to spotify integration config), do I need to make a forum post in order to do so? Or should it be a GitHub issue
@compact cobalt usually you just make the PR

compact cobalt
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kk good to know, thank you

steel crag
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no worries, and I wouldn't worry about your PR being shot down because that would mean they have to get to it first ๐Ÿ˜„

compact cobalt
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lmaoooo

steel crag
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however, someone may find it to be a great idea, and just do it also

hushed basalt
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If I submit a PR that makes every HA user ping @scenic radish every hour on the hour, will it get higher priority

brisk glen
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naaa I see just a ban and a roast

steel crag
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If I submit a PR that makes every HA user ping @scenic radish every hour on the hour, will it get higher priority
to the dark side I see you have come, trading padawan for apprentice you are

hushed basalt
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Is it just me or do 90%+ of online meetups/talks suck

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There's a reason I waited for covid restrictions to ease so I could do my talk in person

late gate
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For each Ambien im taking I'm getting new good ideas

last dirge
#

did that guy ragequit?

steel crag
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which?

last dirge
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side by side button guy

steel crag
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Bahahaha I have no idea

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but it's funny now you say it

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I came to a fork A) post .topic and be perceived as a dick B) Be a dick

wet pilot
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C) all of the above

steel crag
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in retrospect I think I should have posted .topic

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so yeah C

last dirge
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this show on Netflix is weird

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[un]well

steel crag
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not seen it

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which is odd because I watch most things

tidal bronze
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Done with episode 1. Pretty interesting

last dirge
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bunch of fundie huns

tidal bronze
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Lol

last dirge
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am I wrong?

tidal bronze
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Not at all.

last dirge
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especially "Doctor" Z

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that guy apparently lives 20 minutes from me

tidal bronze
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That's next level.

last dirge
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"it's led us into 7 figures"

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bro, you live in a $300K house

tidal bronze
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And the lady that drank oil every day. After rashes applied more. WTH

last dirge
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I can see your neighbors on both sides when they show your back yard

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"hey doc, I was in the woods and I got this rash all over me, what should I do?"

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"simple, go back in the woods and roll around in the same spots"

tidal bronze
#

๐Ÿคฃ

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I gotta get back watching the rest. Been busy in the evenings installing bass shakers. One more to go before the weekend.

last dirge
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that "Doctor" Z is giving @slim vortex a tarnished name!

steel crag
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I gotta get back watching the rest. Been busy in the evenings installing bass shakers. One more to go before the weekend.
@tidal bronze what kind? passive radiators?

tidal bronze
last dirge
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can anybody name the crazy lookin purple flower?

steel crag
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it looks just like a passive radiator

tidal bronze
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Yes.

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Now I don't have to shake the entire house at wee hours.

last dirge
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@tidal bronze partsexpress?

tidal bronze
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Yep.

steel crag
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nice, I looked into those for my "dream" setup

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currently I'm thankful for the upgrade I got ๐Ÿ˜„

tidal bronze
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It's worth every penny but definitely need a dsp for curves.

steel crag
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I managed to snag an entire setup for dirt cheap

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electric projector screen, 3D projector, the receiver, the speakers, a couple media players, a DVD player and about 130 HDMI cables

tidal bronze
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Nice.

steel crag
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$1500

wet pilot
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wow

steel crag
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and the projector is listed for like $2600 on Amazon

last dirge
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I have a projector I haven't used in several years

tidal bronze
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Model?

steel crag
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with 5 pairs of 3D glasses

last dirge
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before my friend moved we used to do humongous outdoor movies on a 16x9 screen

steel crag
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I have a projector I haven't used in several years
@last dirge I've literally never used this one at home.... I have an entertainment business that I've rented it out before

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before my friend moved we used to do humongous outdoor movies on a 16x9 screen
@last dirge that's what I do for a living

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currently LOL

last dirge
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it was nothin special

steel crag
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my biggest screen is 24' diagonal

last dirge
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screen's made out of 1" EMT conduit

tidal bronze
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Diy always huh ๐Ÿ˜†

steel crag
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I use truss to put mine up

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LOL

last dirge
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and some crazy ass tent pole connectors

slim vortex
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who is this imposter @last dirge ?

steel crag
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uh oh

last dirge
#

a chiropractor who insists people call him "doctor"

steel crag
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will the real Drzzs please stand up ๐Ÿ˜›

last dirge
#

while he pushes pseudoscience

tidal bronze
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@slim vortex you gotta switch from sonoff to essential oils. ๐Ÿ˜†

steel crag
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LMFAO

last dirge
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@tidal bronze kind of DIY

steel crag
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sonoff enabled essential oil diffuser @tidal bronze ?

tidal bronze
#

Forget the sonoff that guy is rolling out oils. You can hire people to get the switch. Lol

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I am planning to get some lavender oil and diffuse it next to HA NUC

last dirge
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should be nice and relaxing

slim vortex
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I actually took care of the founder of huge lavender farm (and essential oil empire) just before he died.

last dirge
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Young?

slim vortex
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turns out lavender is NOT as effective as western medicine when it comes to prostate cancer.

tidal bronze
#

Oh boy

slim vortex
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yep

last dirge
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the church ran him out of Utah to begin with

slim vortex
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died of treatable cancer, but he smelled amazing.

tidal bronze
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@slim vortex watch un(well) EP 1 on Netflix you will get the drift.

last dirge
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he seemed nuttier than squirrel turds

slim vortex
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are you in Utah Brian?

last dirge
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nerp

tidal bronze
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No doubt. I guess not him but his followers and buyers just keeping it jazzy for them.

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Damn master class. I couldn't believe my eyes.

last dirge
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last time I was at my parents' house I found a really nice looking hardwood box

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so I opened it and it was a velvet lined box for essential oils :/

slim vortex
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ridiculous voodoo nonsense

tidal bronze
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But sells like hot cakes.

last dirge
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I mean there were like TWO people in the episode with some sense

tidal bronze
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Sadly nonsense makes 7 figures ๐Ÿค”

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Gotta get back to cutting 1x6 boards.

hushed basalt
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Essential oils on the market are probably 99% rubbish

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But distilling plant compounds for medicinal uses isn't exactly new or pseudoscience

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It's just a shame you can't trust anyone pushing traditonal pharma or alternative medicine because they're all in it for the money

thick dragon
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Can't remember who I was talking to about a solar climate control app written in AppDaemon, but this change will make that 100% necessary.

hushed basalt
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That was me

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@thick dragon

thick dragon
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Yeah, I've finished my app for it now, thankfully after finding all this shite out about new tariffs.

hushed basalt
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I'm sure the Norwegians will have no problem bragging about their public hydro systems at 0.02c/kwh

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The way I did the app is I gave every entity I wanted to control a turn_on_action and a turn_off_action,

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As well as an estimated load and a priority 0-100

thick dragon
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Haha, man that's so weird. We've very much made almost exactly the same app.

hushed basalt
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  turn_off_action: >-
    [{
      "service": "climate/set_temperature",
      "temperature": 20,
      "entity_id": "climate.living_room"
    }]
  power: 500
  priority: 30
thick dragon
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I supply a list of climate entities, and minimum excess generation for them to work.

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The priority system is a good idea, but I only really have 3 splits, and only really one where this will be needed.

hushed basalt
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Are you setting them to turn on/off or just setting the thermostat higher/lower

thick dragon
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Just a self.turn_off(entity).

hushed basalt
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I'd think about using higher/lower thermostats,

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So you still have a minimum comfort level, but can crank it up when there's solar

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Which will take/add some energy to your thermal mass in your home

#

Depends on the construction of your home though

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My house is pretty leaky but it's all double brick and concrete bottom and top floor so there's considerable mass

thick dragon
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Yeah, I've lived for decades without air con, so I'm not likely gonna leave it on when it's not required ๐Ÿ™‚

hushed basalt
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It really does lag the hot/cold by 2/3 days without climate

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But I'd get it to run when you're not home if there's surplus energy

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The more desirable state of energy you put your thermal mass into when the energy is free, the less energy you need to use when you get home and you need it

thick dragon
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Only until it reaches the target temp. At that point I'll shut it off (checking every 20 minutes to ensure it's still within 3 degrees of the target).

#

There's more value in selling more to the grid than maintaining a perfect temperature for me.

hushed basalt
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Your split should take care of all that itself,

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It's not about maintaining the temp, it's about using your thermal mass as an energy battery

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overcharging it when it's free to reclaim it when the energy costs you

thick dragon
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True. I'll see how the efficiency goes when it rolls into Spring a bit more and evaluate then. With the new changes however, I'll likely have to turn the AC off altogether from 4pm - 8pm ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

hushed basalt
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Yeah that's where the value comes in at cranking it hard in the 9am-4pm period

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What's your FIT

thick dragon
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11.5c/kWh currently. If this other energy provider fixes their shit, will go up to 18c/kWh though.

hushed basalt
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That's great,

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Ours is like 6.7 cents or something crap

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and 28-29c on import on flat rate tariff

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about 50c on peak import

thick dragon
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Holy shit. What state are you in? That's bananas! Thought mine was bad!

hushed basalt
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WA

thick dragon
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Fuck me. That's nuts.

hushed basalt
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Yeah hence the whole idea of the solar diverter for my mum

thick dragon
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No way you're getting credits on your bills with rates like that. Can definitely see why you'd want significantly more self consumption.

hushed basalt
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You have to export 4 x to get the value of 1 x import

thick dragon
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Well I'm selling about 17kWh a day currently and consuming 10.

hushed basalt
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Item    Price inc. GST
Supply charge    103.3263 cents per day
Electricity charge    28.8229 cents per unit
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Or you can do this

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Supply charge    103.3263 cents per day
Everyday Off-peak electricity charge    15.1002 cents per unit
Weekend shoulder electricity charge    28.7076 cents per unit
Weekday shoulder electricity charge    28.7076 cents per unit
Peak electricity charge    54.8142 cents per unit
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:/

thick dragon
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So fucked. Wonder why it's so much more expensive in WA than everywhere else. I guess sparseness - but still.

hushed basalt
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Everyday Off-peak (9pm to 7am)
Peak - weekdays only (3pm to 9pm)
Weekday shoulder (7am to 3pm)
Weekend shoulder (7am to 9pm)
thick dragon
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My supply is 98c/day, with 25c/kWh single use rate.

hushed basalt
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Overbuilt distribution network, plus single retailer, and a myriad of invested interests

thick dragon
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Single retailer... fuck, no wonder.

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Got too much choice in QLD.

hushed basalt
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Plus 5kw export limit

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including 3 phase

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So they can take your kwh for 7 cents, and potentially sell it to your neighbour next door for 54 cents

thick dragon
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Yeah, that's totally fucked. Feel sorry for you guys.

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Battery storage ROI is probably stupidly efficient over there because of your terrible provider.

clever mortar
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Please read the channel topic @ocean cipher ๐Ÿ˜‰

ocean cipher
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Ops! Wrong channel? Sorry

hushed basalt
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I'm not too sure on the battery ROI

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I feel like you could spend that money on making your home more efficient and passive and end up needing very little gas or electrical cooling/heating overall

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@rare condor what do you use for backup management on your proxmox/zfs

rare condor
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@hushed basalt sorry I didn't reply, lol @ your 5g friends.

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SO each VM is stopped which means its shutdown, if uptime is essential you need to consider HA

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you can do snapshots but I prefer a perfect backup as 2 mins downtime does not bother me

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(i.e. my nvme storage is local and fast enough for this process)

hushed basalt
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What about snapshotting your datasets and backing them up externally

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The way I provision my vms and use nfs mounts I don't actually care about the vms at all,

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The zfs datasets are the only thing I want to protect, plus managing their snapshots

rare condor
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@hushed basalt Are you running zfs as root or have pve-data as zfs

hushed basalt
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As in my boot drive?

rare condor
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yeah

hushed basalt
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All my pve data is on the ext4 ssd for the os/root

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My zpool is standalone

rare condor
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Ok I see. I care deeply about the VMs as well as my zfs dataset. I backup my ZFS using rsync and dumb copy via cronjob

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I could use zfs-send and have something nicer in place

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and snapshotting but I rarely make snapshots

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What are you backing up to, do you have multiple servers>

hushed basalt
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I'll be backing up to an attached 3TB XFS drive,

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As well as backblaze,

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I'll use rclone for backblaze,

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But I might bite the bullet and get a paid gsuite account

clever mortar
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rclone and backblaze works really well together

hushed basalt
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Yeah It's what I used on my synology,

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Until that burst into virtual flames

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The desktop client for the backup explorer for synology is awful,

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You can only copy one folder/file at a time, so if you have a subvolume with 20-50 folders in it, good luck.

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I'll probably have to rebuild the synology and mount it back on there and share it on samba or usb copy

clever mortar
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That's.... horribly broken

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I'll remember to avoid Synology ๐Ÿ˜‰

hushed basalt
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Oh and you can't use standard ports on a synology

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as in the nginx for their web gui captures 80/443 and you can't move them

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Never again...

rare condor
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@hushed basalt I have been using a gsuite account with rclone

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I haven't paid and it keeps saying it will close my account but hasn't.

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I couldn't justify the cost in the end as I have friends server he is building and we are going to zfs send to each other for backups in future

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@hushed basalt My NBN HFC Termination box fell off the wall today, wood screw straight into the mortar ๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ

hushed basalt
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Nothing surprises me anymore

steel crag
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So they can take your kwh for 7 cents, and potentially sell it to your neighbour next door for 54 cents
here they pay 12c but charge something like 75c

rare condor
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The highest energy price is around 60c usd globally, I guess Bahamas not included in that stat

steel crag
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well that maybe the raw price per kwh

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but we are also hit with fuel surcharges bro

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which are often more than USAGE

rare condor
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ah

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I see

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So Retail price much more $$

#

Do people use solar?

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Would make a lot of sense but energy storage as always still not cheap

steel crag
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for example I'm only charged ~$110 for my usage but my fuel surcharge would be like $150 depending on price of gas

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Do people use solar?
only just. Was illegal to use solar until maybe 2 years ago.

rare condor
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curruption?

steel crag
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and now you can sell power back to the provider but only up to 5kw for res

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the power company is owned by the government

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so you tell me

rare condor
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similar to aus lots of providers have 5kw limit per phase

steel crag
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๐Ÿ˜‰

rare condor
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Thus most people install 6.6kw

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as defacto overrating of panels to inverter size

steel crag
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similar to aus lots of providers have 5kw limit per phase
@rare condor funny you say that because on our other islands you can sell up to 30kw

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just not on the main island

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which is sickening because their power is at a cheaper rate

rare condor
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What's the rationale

steel crag
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we basically pay for the other islands power

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they are subsidized because the populations are so low most of them

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for example my mothers house is bigger than the one I have here, she runs A/C 24/7... has a bigger water heater than I do, runs more pumps etc than I do and her power bill is usually around $80 total

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while I pay around $260

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for less usage

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we are #7

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in the world LOL

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minimum wage is $5.63/hr

grave jolt
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Number 8 here ๐Ÿ˜›

steel crag
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im sorry minimum wage is $5.25/hr here my mistake

grave jolt
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i think min.wage here is 30k/year or so

steel crag
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it's $10,920/year here

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$210/week

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which is funny because my son's tuition fees are $4,750 without books or uniform included

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or lunch

grave jolt
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But what is the average pay?

steel crag
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the median is 48,600

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but the range is 10,920 to 209,000 average

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but over 25% of people make less than 27K

west moss
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fml, i moved over to proxmox setup for more stability and better hardware.. worked perfectly for a while but now for some reason my proxmox crashes right after startup instead

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actually, seems only the webgui fails

limber pine
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I am remodeling/adding on to our house and so I have an opportunity to do some "smart" wiring. Does anyone have a list of "if I could have wired this when it was just studs" items? Say, for strip LED lights....should I run some 3 wire cable from my crawlspace (where I'll have loads of access to power and such) to locations where I think I'll want strip lights? Should I install a single gang box with power in the kitchen for no other reason than something like the HA Switch Plate? etc

hushed basalt
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That's a rabbit hole

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Definitely earth neutral active cable where you can

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Cat6 anywhere you could possibly see a networked device going

clever mortar
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Conduit and pull string(s) IMO for all those maybe locations

hushed basalt
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I'd run cat6 to a gang box anywhere you might want to put a wall tablet

clever mortar
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Then you can run whatever you need when you get to it, since you may need mains voltage, or low voltage, or something else in 5 years time

hushed basalt
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And multiple outlets in each room

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Nothing worse than your power or data outlet being on the other side of the room

clever mortar
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I'd drop at least a pair of network cables to any power point if you can - 4 ideally to account for cable failures

hushed basalt
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And having cable on the floor going all the way around

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4 is a bit much?

clever mortar
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Well, I'd say you plan to use two, but you want at least one spare

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Cables fail during install all the time, so at least one spare is smart

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Also means if you really want four somewhere you might be lucky enough to have them ๐Ÿ˜„

hushed basalt
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I'd be looking at the installing technique

clever mortar
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Cables can come supplied pre-broken

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And if you're not testing them correctly you'll not notice - or if you get unlucky and the break isn't apparent until the cable is moved

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Ideally you've got it installed by competent professionals, but ... ๐Ÿคท

hushed basalt
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I've always used name brand cable

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And I've only ever seen mid span faults when they've installed in incorrectly

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Personally I'd just run 2 to each point and pull through a new cable with the old one if it happened to die

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Managing 4 cat6 cables is quite a lot to fit down a conduit

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Plus wrangling and terminating them on the other end

steel crag
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And I've only ever seen mid span faults when they've installed in incorrectly
@hushed basalt something as simple as tie strapping the cables too tight alters the cable characteristics tho

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and I've seen cables test out good, and then people go back and manage them and then they fail

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LOL

tidal bronze
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As @clever mortar mentioned flex conduit with pull strings would be the best. If no conduit I would run 16/2 or 18/2 for led locations as well.

clever mortar
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Who knows what advances in lighting or automation tech the next couple of years will bring ๐Ÿคท

tidal bronze
#

I wish I had more low voltage drops for led s but for now it's all good.

steel crag
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I have a minimum of 2 drops of Cat5e in each room and 2 drops of RG6 in each room, coax to all my cameras as well as one ethernet cable in each corner of the house just in case

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As @clever mortar mentioned flex conduit with pull strings would be the best. If no conduit I would run 16/2 or 18/2 for led locations as well.
flex conduit never really an option here, concrete walls on the interior

last dirge
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coax to cameras, eh?

steel crag
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coax to cameras, eh?
@last dirge yes Siamese RG6

last dirge
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ORLY

steel crag
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my camera system predates IP being affordable

rare condor
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Aim for 30 cat6 cables per powerpoint

last dirge
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AIM you say?

rare condor
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In fact why bother with walls

last dirge
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you could make one of those hippie bead curtains but with CAT7 instead

rare condor
#

Just build your house out of patch cables

steel crag
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no walls and free space optics FTW eh @rare condor ?

rare condor
#

all you need is a tent and a rack mount server and your basic human needs are met

steel crag
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all you need is a tent and a rack mount server and your basic human needs are met
why not just live in the rack? Free heating.

limber pine
#

Sorry for the dumb question....but why so much emphasis on cat6 cable when most devices are wireless?

clever mortar
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Wired > Wireles

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Wireless is for convenience not reliability or speed

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I can run 10 GB (and more) over cables

limber pine
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As @clever mortar mentioned flex conduit with pull strings would be the best. If no conduit I would run 16/2 or 18/2 for led locations as well.
@tidal bronze by this you are implying that my power supply would be in the crawlspace hooked to mains power, then the 16/2 or 18/2 run to my led strip lights and my controller sits at the front of my led strip. That is, I do not put my controller for the strips in the crawlspace by the power supply but instead keep it by the lights? (for data signal integrity I am guessing?)

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I can run 10 GB (and more) over cables
@clever mortar so this would be for the gaming consoles, TVs, computers etc....not for my smart lights/switches which are all wireless and don't need lightning speed?

steel crag
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correct

tidal bronze
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Crawlspace or attic. Controller, in my case esp device is next to the start of the strip.

clever mortar
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Anything permanently installed IMO

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Look at KNX - it's designed to be wired, not wireless

steel crag
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I have my TVs and receiver hardwired, and my son's PS4

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just about everything else is wireless

limber pine
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ok....and to clarify on the strip lighting....the low voltage wire runs can be relatively long but I want to keep my data line run short right? And I should be able to power the controller (nodemcu, d1 mini, etc) can be powered off the same low voltage line powering the lights (with appropriate voltage regulators)? This keeps the led strip instal location as clean and tidy as possible (no power bricks, outlets, etc)

tidal bronze
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Yes.

steel crag
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yup

limber pine
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sweet!

tidal bronze
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If you really want to make sure you have enough driving current run 14/2 which I did so no worries later on.

limber pine
#

ok...I have plenty of 14/2 I'm running for everything else so maybe I'll just use that.

#

thanks for the tips everyone!

steel crag
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oh and leave a huge conduit behind TV locations for HDMI

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unless you wanna do HDMI over Cat5

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LOL

limber pine
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ok

tidal bronze
last dirge
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the people that built this house have a run of that that goes up to the attic all the way from the basement

static schooner
#

I did that in my last house that had a basement.

last dirge
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protip, if you tie a bit of cloth at the end of a string and put a shop vac at the end of that conduit, it's pretty damn easy to get the string fished through rapidly

tidal bronze
#

That's the best conduit to cut across.

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@limber pine if you are planning to run audio, drop speaker wire and at least 2 x RG6 coax for subs ๐Ÿ˜†

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@last dirge yep shop vac method is a life saver

limber pine
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@tidal bronze roger that. @last dirge very clever!

tidal bronze
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Nopes.

deft pewter
#

Less surface to touch

limpid wind
#

Can anyone reccomend a good plan to install a 20M Led strips, its for a living room all in a boxing, we currently have some cheap ยฃ20 ones but only really good for blue red green, so wanting to upgrade to cct, is 20m cct doable in one powersupply, having problem finding options, don't need and smart functions, remote control is fine

#
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room is square so can do 10m either direction

last dirge
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@limpid wind aliexpress isn't much cheaper, if at all, for LED stuff

limpid wind
#

They can be for cheaper stuff but yeah I can sorta see that on the higher end stuff

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From my brief research I will need to get a transformer to power 2 10 meter runs ?

compact cobalt
#

does anyone else just like ... hate yaml

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I can't say with confidence that JSON would be better but damn does it feel like it would

#

nothing more annoying then trying to make something a child of another and trying to make sure the indentations are right

#

I suppose different files gets around this a bit

static schooner
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you'll get used to it if you stick with it

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using competent editors like VSCode helps

compact cobalt
#

yeah I think that would help

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and I do use it when I start to struggle with it

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but like auto formatting in VSCode just like doesn't work (unless I'm doing something wrong), since it can't really infer what spaces each line should have

static schooner
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I particularly like the rainbow indentation levels that make it easier to ensure that things line up in long sequences

compact cobalt
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oh that's a good point i think that would help

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I just like how JSON can be like minified, then you can pop it into VSCode and auto-format and it's back to normal

static schooner
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in my opinion, all of the extra quotes, curly braces, comma restrictions, etc. of JSON are a bigger pain in the neck

#
  • YAML supports comments and JSON doesn't
compact cobalt
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hmm I suppose I could see that

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yeah that's definitely a big plus

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although there is JSON with comments, I'm not really sure how it works (VSCode's JSON settings files allow comments iirc)

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I think including files in YAML is probably nicer than it would be with JSON

steel crag
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the people that built this house have a run of that that goes up to the attic all the way from the basement
riser cable, yaaaay

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protip, if you tie a bit of cloth at the end of a string and put a shop vac at the end of that conduit, it's pretty damn easy to get the string fished through rapidly
@last dirge I've pulled MILES of cable this way

last dirge
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it's pretty crazy

#

the guys running fiber in my neighborhood used the same trick but with those giant tow-behind air compressors

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you could hear the cloth smash into the little access boxes when it came blasting through the conduit

steel crag
#

I literally ran every single cable in the new airport like that

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and still took me almost a year

#

LOL

#

3 different phases tho

compact cobalt
#

2 or 4 spaces for indents ๐Ÿค”

static schooner
#

2, always 2

compact cobalt
#

ok thank the lord

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it feels like the in-lovelace editor autocorrects some of the files to 4 and it feels weird

static schooner
#

even VSCode is a little schizophrenic about it. I need to find the settings that are wrong

compact cobalt
#

yeah VSCode defaults to 4 spaces for me

#

so what's up with the "Jedi" and "Padawan" tags

velvet horizonBOT
#

The Jedi role (blue) is given to our community members who have proven themselves knowledgable and worthy of helping others. Please do not request to be assigned this role. It must be earned.

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The Padawan role (purple) is given to our community members who have shown that they are willing to learn, have shown progress toward becoming a bigger part of our community (a.k.a. a Jedi), and try to lend a helping hand to others when they can. Please do not request to be assigned this role. It must be earned.

compact cobalt
#

thank you

last dirge
#

Thingiverse is on the shits again

last plaza
#

yes, its been down since yesterday. You can still download STLs if you know the thingiverse id... for ex: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4059742 to download, add /zip at the end. like this.... https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4059742/zip

tacit tapir
#

Anyone here with some understanding of (asus) network stuff? Having a very strange issue of not being able to connect new esp boards. Both tasmota & wled won't connect to my network. Tried on 2 different boards. They both seem to think they are connected but they don't show in connected devices on the router settings or in one of those network ip scanners.

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tried a reboot of both my Router, AP combination + a seperate AP connected to that router

wild grove
#

@tacit tapir I had issues w/ some tasmota stuff connectiong to my wireless (not asus) with wpa2. it would connect to a wide open ssid just fine

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I just kept trying things such as specifying the open one as standby and eventually got it to work like i wanted.

tacit tapir
#

Hmm, thx for the suggestion! I'll try an open network to see if that works. Meanwhile any other tips are welcome

steel crag
#

so what's up with the "Jedi" and "Padawan" tags
the Sith on the other hand.... use apprentice or acolyte for the learners ๐Ÿ˜„

deft pewter
#

I vote to make the default role 'Nerf Herder'

late gate
#

I vote to make it sith lord as jedi sucks :p

deft pewter
#

But no-one starts out as a Sith lord.

#

All the best ones started out as nerd herders, right?

#

(spoiler alert)

steel crag
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Nerf herders too as per above

forest edge
#

pretty sure the jedi role should be renamed to "stubborn"

steel crag
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lol

onyx mesa
#

Whats the terminology for the highest level of integrations like "notify" and "light"?

#

They're not specific integrations, they're more like categories

#

I'm trying to start learning from the basics, but im having a hard time learning the configuration syntax (how you find lists of available types of integrations, sensor names etc)

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And at that, finding the documentation that talks specifically about it

hushed basalt
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Domain

onyx mesa
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@hushed basalt this is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.

hushed basalt
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๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿฆ˜

onyx mesa
#

Agh, is Entity a special domain in that its an abstract object all other domains implement?

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There doesn't appear to be a list of all of the available domains in a API like documentation style

hushed basalt
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Domains can be arbitrary registered I believe

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Have you read the architecture docs

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An entity is an individual .. entity. An instance of a device/sensor etc

velvet horizonBOT
onyx mesa
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I've read the glossary! The issue is that I see domains like "light" or "switch" and i want to see a comprehensive list of the default ones, or a more general examples of the syntax rules on how theyre used in the configuration.yaml

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I have not read the architecture docs though, is that the one that notes it is for advance users? I may have skipped it thinking i needed to read others first

clever mortar
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Architecture is more for devs

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The source is probably slightly better for working out the list of domains, though the integrations docs also tell you them

onyx mesa
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I'll take a look! At some point it may just be better to go ahead and start messing around in it. All my devices are in storage but HA should be able to do something teachable without them

clever mortar
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It absolutely can

#

But that's getting into support ๐Ÿ˜›

fringe dagger
#

I'm not sure how I haven't heard of home assistant until just recently but I'm absolutely loving it and can't wait to get into programming scripts for it

midnight adder
#

Not sure where to ask this. On the Community site I was just in the process of setting up 2FA using a security key and something went wrong. I am now locked out of my account. Who would be the person I need to reach out to to try and get this resolved?

fringe dagger
hushed basalt
#

Off topic. Has anyone ever used typeform, for businesses

west moss
#

anyone know how to decode hex? i think it might contain chineese characters and i'd need to translate it aswell then :/ 0x020106030295FE0F1695FE3102980003CD49638D7CC40D0C09466C6F7765722063617265

deft pewter
#

Decode to what? Binary? ASCII? Base 10?

west moss
#

something i can read ๐Ÿ˜„

deft pewter
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It's all just representations of the same thing.