#the-water-cooler | Home Assistant | Page 543

clever mortar Jun 20, 2020, 8:21 AM

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I can confirm, having no filter means your fan gets covered in a layer of grease... wail

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 8:21 AM

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Do most vented range hoods have a damper?

forest edge Jun 20, 2020, 8:21 AM

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I have mesh and no replaceable filter. don't think i ever cleaned them either lol

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 8:22 AM

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I clean mine every 3 monthes and they are literally dripping with oil

forest edge Jun 20, 2020, 8:22 AM

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wtf you all cooking lol

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 8:22 AM

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Lot of veg/salmon/chicken

forest edge Jun 20, 2020, 8:22 AM

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I cook chicken

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and veg

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 8:23 AM

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I don't know if Australians know what dampers are

forest edge Jun 20, 2020, 8:23 AM

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fish 🤢

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 8:23 AM

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I sous vide my own nandos yesterday

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Better than store imo

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I don't have a flame grill but the meat was perrrrrrfect

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62.5 degrees 2 hours for breast

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 8:24 AM

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I just mean duct cover, I never checked if rangehood is literally just a hole in roof or has cover

forest edge Jun 20, 2020, 8:24 AM

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no idea how other countries handle that but everything with the exception of sewer vent has a cover

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 8:25 AM

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I suspect a lot are just vented into the ceiling

clever mortar Jun 20, 2020, 8:25 AM

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Covers here, unless something is venting down in which case it gets a vent guard

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 8:25 AM

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Whelp

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Our building standards are.. not good

forest edge Jun 20, 2020, 8:26 AM

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well you guys still practice mud huts afterall

clever mortar Jun 20, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Heh. We had a good chat with the inspector for our new build, who was honest that houses here are built to the minimum required by code, not what anybody would actually want...

trim solar Jun 20, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Hey everyone, I hava problems with my Hass.io on my Pi 3 since yesterday. The log is full with messages like this Error executing query: (sqlite3.DatabaseError) database disk image is malformed [SQL: INSERT INTO events (event_type, event_data, origin, time_fired, created, context_id, context_user_id) VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?, ?)] [parameters: ('state_changed', '{"entity_id": "media_player.kodi", "old_state": {"entity_id": "media_player.kodi", "state": "playing", "attributes": {"volume_level": 1.0, "is_volume ... (934 characters truncated) ... :00", "last_updated": "2020-06-20T08:26:24.109638+00:00", "context": {"id": "c82412883c7a40838b59bcfefeb61983", "parent_id": null, "user_id": null}}}', 'LOCAL', '2020-06-20 08:26:24.109734', '2020-06-20 08:26:24.122839', 'c82412883c7a40838b59bcfefeb61983', None)] (Background on this error at: http://sqlalche.me/e/4xp6)
I wanted to delete the database file but I cant get access to it. The file editor add-on (and all other add-ons) are not running and i cant start them. What could I do?

forest edge Jun 20, 2020, 8:29 AM

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looks like a sdcard going belly up

velvet horizonBOT Jun 20, 2020, 8:30 AM

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@trim solar Not sure which install you're using?

If you're using HassOS, flashed an image, or booted a VM with an image you're using #330990055533576204
If you installed Linux and then ran a script to install HA and have add-ons then you have #330944238910963714
If you're running docker commands or use a Docker manager and have no add-ons then you have #449717345808547842
Finally, if you use pip to install or upgrade you have #551864459891703809

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The topic of this channel is:

NO HOME ASSISTANT SUPPORT HERE (look at the other channels for that). NO POLITICS OR RELIGION!

BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

forest edge Jun 20, 2020, 8:30 AM

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that reminds me, i need to check the usb boot status

clever mortar Jun 20, 2020, 8:30 AM

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Your USB devices wear boots? 🤔

trim solar Jun 20, 2020, 8:30 AM

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what channel would be the right one?

clever mortar Jun 20, 2020, 8:31 AM

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Look up at the message you were tagged in

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https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/723816915037847562

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Likely one of #330990055533576204 or #330944238910963714 - but hopefully you can work it out from that message

trim solar Jun 20, 2020, 8:31 AM

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mercí

forest edge Jun 20, 2020, 8:32 AM

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oh they went from beta to "stable" for the rpi4 usb boot

trim solar Jun 20, 2020, 8:32 AM

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I think I should say goodbye to the pi and install it on my NAS

clever mortar Jun 20, 2020, 8:32 AM

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Well, ditch SQLite3 for your database 😉

trim solar Jun 20, 2020, 8:35 AM

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wasnt my choice 😄

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 8:35 AM

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@rare condor i had a thought

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 8:36 AM

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I have too many of those

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 8:36 AM

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If you have a bunch of tech minded friends you can all share a single google account

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And use client side encryption and all backup to it

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Just use different root directories

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 8:36 AM

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yes I knew a few people who do this

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same for plex accounts

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 8:36 AM

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Did they overwrite each other lok

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 8:36 AM

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we just had one admin

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relied on trust

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I might do it again

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previously it was an education account which expired

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 8:43 AM

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I think you can buy edu accounts on ebay for nothing

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Don't know how reliable they are

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I might go google drive route myself

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I intend to ramp up my backup size

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 8:46 AM

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likewise

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 8:46 AM

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I might redesign my backup strategy

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I don't care much for backing up stuff I can usenet. Just a bit of parity on the array for that stuff

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I'm thinking ZFS mirror of 2 disks for appdata

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And any user folders etc

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Then mergerfs and snapraid for bulk dumb storage

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Then maybe put some drives in this old NAS and put it in my mums house for offsite

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Then gcloud as well

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And just go crazy on the versioning on the cloud backup

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 8:50 AM

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I use Raidz for my media collections and Raid1 for appdata (ZFS)

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Planning to upload family photos, images / videos to Google Drive.

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eventually

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sounds decent plan

turbid stirrup Jun 20, 2020, 8:55 AM

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I'm actually thinking of putting a secondary raspberry pi NAS at a trusted location... such as with my parents. And backup my local backup there.

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I feel that, while slightly less robust than a cloud-based solution, it can be a lot less sensitive to big tech companies mining your stuff for data.

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 8:58 AM

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Client side encryption on cloud backups always

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I didn't want to go raidz for the disk and ram usage

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Plus having to replace allll the drives

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Btrfs is a hot mess

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This array has crashed for no reason

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Fortunately I have backups but official support procedure should not be "no idea, reformat and recover from backups"

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:05 AM

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Fair enough certainly draw backs with raidz but I will state this RAM issue has not been an issue I have experienced I only have 32gb on my server and usage is very low

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 9:07 AM

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True

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I'm happy to go with the mirror for appdata

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I'd consider raidz2 if i had 6 identical disks

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Have you thought of putting a pair of enterprise SSDs in as log/cache or whatever it's called in zfs

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:16 AM

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What will likely happen is my current OS SSD will become SLOG (write CACHE) and the new enterprise drives will become raid1 OS / APP data drive

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Yeah I have a mix of 3-4tb drives so I am losing some space with raidz annoyingly

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Who the fuck would host his media in house and pay for storage

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Hello is this 2005

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:22 AM

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lol you are in the wrong community

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Yes I want some yahoo pls

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Why the hell would you use Home Assistant just use the cloud for IoT 😛

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 9:23 AM

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This is cheaper than my DVD collection days

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Not iot, or Smarthome, I said Media

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 9:23 AM

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I have so many DVDs I left at my mums house

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:23 AM

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I'm making fun of you should have added /s

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🙄

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:23 AM

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MEDIA

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Didn't sell them when they were worth anything

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Yeah I bought Video Ezy DVDs for 50c each when they went out of buiness

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didn't regret it

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Can't brinf myself to throw them out but it's not even worth ripping them

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:24 AM

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2008 ish

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:24 AM

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I guess never even owned 10 DVDs

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 9:25 AM

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My guess is I had about 300-409

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:25 AM

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also Anon I am storing media and work files on my server not everyone has gigabit internet

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:26 AM

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I stream fine with 100Mbit,95% of my 4k content tho

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 9:26 AM

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No way I could store 4k media on a VPS and stream it

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:26 AM

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60TB on the cloud now

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:26 AM

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How much does that cost

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:26 AM

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10€

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A month for the cloud

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:26 AM

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well that wouldn't work for a lot of people 100Mbit is higher than most Aussies get

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:26 AM

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sounds cheap

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:27 AM

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and most Americans as well

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Some people are lucky to get 25

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Who is that with for that price

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:27 AM

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And relying on the cloud is a week backup solution

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wink is evidence of this

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:27 AM

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We just ordered 500Mbit tbh tho. I care about the 5%!

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Google Business Suite

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:28 AM

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is that the one that is meant to be limited but its not enforced?

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Yup

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:28 AM

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unless you have 5 users

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Thats fine if you dont have any vital data I guess

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Officially

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:29 AM

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but yeah that is a really bad solution for crucial data

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:29 AM

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otherwise I wouldn't want google to have me by the balls when they decide to enforce it

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Why wouldn't I trust the biggest cloud of the biggest company with a risk of 0,1% to go down within 100 years

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Also they are going after people with excessive usage (like real excessive )

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60TB is getting there

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Nope that's nothing

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There were people 2018 having 300TB

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:30 AM

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the thing about 2018 is that its two years ago

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Others tell they soon break the 1PB

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:30 AM

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people have broken 1PB previously already

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Yes and a library only grows

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:30 AM

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yes

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I am not sure what you are getting at sorry

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:31 AM

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So a few 100TB is just not much

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He said 60TB would be excessive

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It's not

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:31 AM

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I honestly don't have a clue of the likelihood of this, we are just saying that if they decide to enforce it its not gonna be fun

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:31 AM

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.

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:31 AM

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How do you know its not

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:32 AM

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As I said there are dozens of of people with several 100TB 🤦‍♀️

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:32 AM

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Yes

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:32 AM

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60TB vs 1PB = not much

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Math first degree

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:32 AM

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I guess I will have to say again that the past is the past

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we don't know what is going to be excessive

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Amazon killed their unlimited

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They're not a small company

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:33 AM

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From a business standpoint its not a bad plan really

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Get people on your platform first

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Anyway it's free media, if it gets deleted some day you will just have to get a new way and start. That's the thing with self hosted Netflix 😂

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Datahoarders aren't their target

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Yeah thats why I said its good if it works for you and you have no vital data

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:34 AM

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^

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:34 AM

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I am not trying to say its never a good idea

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Works for some people I suppose but there are downsides

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Internet isn't always reliable

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If it works for you that's fine

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:35 AM

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It is much more likely that they ask you to shrink, or just disallow uploading until you got back your limit.

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Yeah I imagine there would be a grace period if they decided anything

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but it'd be their goal to get people to pay more at that point too

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:36 AM

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So I guess I will not just lose backups. Although at 10 bucks a month's it doesn't hurt having 2 accounts, if it is soooo important

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It's still 1TB I think?

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Ugh, I got one more. What if you find 4 friends/family to share, each about 10 bucks and just abuse unlimited legally? 👀

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:41 AM

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a lot of people are doing that

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It makes a decent backup solution

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Just bought a Hard Drive: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4TB-SAS-Hitachi-HGST-Enterprise-Hard-Drive-for-Servers-Dell-R710-R510-R720-HP/333627869061

eBay

4TB SAS Hitachi HGST Enterprise Hard Drive for Servers - Dell R710 ...

These Drives are ready to use. These will work in any system that supports SAS and larger than 2TB Drives. Perfect for Security systems, Nas's San's and Servers. These drives will not work with Sata connections even though they look similar.

boreal pewter Jun 20, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Mh 4TB drive, did you know that you could ONLY store 3 copies of breaking bad?

ocean mirage Jun 20, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Reminds me I want to get a drive for some basic cold storage

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offsite some data

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Its for a Raidz

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 9:46 AM

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How much

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And how do you mount/power sas drives

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 10:12 AM

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@hushed basalt Using my LSI HBA just plugs right in and for the price listed there so $62

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 10:12 AM

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The item was gone when you bought it

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;)

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Do you have a breakout cable with molex power or something?

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Yep 4-1 SAS with molex

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 10:25 AM

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Like this?

📎 15926487417271439821931485814785.jpg

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Sas wouldn't fit in my case :( all the drives are sideways so the connectors would hit the lid

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 10:33 AM

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Yeah like that

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 10:34 AM

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I will probably upgrade to a 4u rackmount case at some point

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 10:41 AM

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I have some crappy antec case I bought from gumtree for $30 works great

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 11:58 AM

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It's funny how 4tb sas is like 20% the cost of 8tb sas

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While 4tb sata new is like 60% the cost of new 8tb sata

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 12:20 PM

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yeah its due to demand and age

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this drive isn't new its from 2016 and 4tb is pretty small for a modern server

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given SAS uses more power per drive the cost of operation increases too

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so there are some significant trade offs

midnight adder Jun 20, 2020, 12:22 PM

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anyone know if there are any mini dishwashers with smart capabilities

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 12:22 PM

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#hardware-archived

hushed basalt Jun 20, 2020, 12:31 PM

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I will probably just end up shucking 8tbs tbh

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I already have 4 x 4tb seagate NAS drives

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If I add in 3 or 4 8TBs shucked whitelabels I can bump that capacity quite a bit

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 12:54 PM

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I use to shuck drives but too many early failures

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Since buying used enterprise drives I have had no issues

brazen fable Jun 20, 2020, 2:22 PM

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that just sounds like bad luck TBH

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I've never had any issues with shucked drives

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Not the easystores anyway

rare condor Jun 20, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Probably but 3 times it happened (both Seagate and WD), so I have decided to no longer invest in shucked drives. Buying enterprise drives offers warranty even on drives from 2016-17 thanks to 5yr warranty.

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If a cheap deal emerges however I will change my mind 😉

brazen fable Jun 20, 2020, 3:33 PM

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man what a difference this extra cooling unit makes

tidal bronze Jun 20, 2020, 4:03 PM

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@last dirge thanks a lot for Tesla solar price heads up 🙂 $1.96/W, 0.60 lower than the LA market price.

rain swift Jun 20, 2020, 4:27 PM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/c9f9d0d6a88b064f8b10dca9456f510f/tenor.gif

mystic token Jun 20, 2020, 4:32 PM

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hello, deconz got a new prerelease which might fix the previous bugs some people had. question: can i add a custom repo to homeassistant which uses the new version so it updates the existing deconz from homeassistant?

static schooner Jun 20, 2020, 4:35 PM

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you can add a custom component yourself

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but this isn't a topic for #the-water-cooler

clever mortar Jun 20, 2020, 4:37 PM

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If you mean add-on see #add-ons-archived

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If you mean integrations, see #integrations-archived

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If you have no idea what either of those things are, try #zigbee-archived

last plaza Jun 20, 2020, 9:26 PM

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@last dirge 2020.20.12 software update!

clever mortar Jun 20, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Try #hardware-archived

velvet horizonBOT Jun 20, 2020, 9:34 PM

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The topic of this channel is:

NO HOME ASSISTANT SUPPORT HERE (look at the other channels for that). NO POLITICS OR RELIGION!

BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

amber bramble Jun 21, 2020, 12:33 AM

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man the #the-water-cooler is quiet today

fathom wadi Jun 21, 2020, 12:35 AM

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everyone's sleeping

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 12:41 AM

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@amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble @amber bramble

tough igloo Jun 21, 2020, 12:49 AM

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It’s a lazy Sunday

last plaza Jun 21, 2020, 12:49 AM

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still Saturday for some part of the world

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Sunday??

tough igloo Jun 21, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Sunday

ocean mirage Jun 21, 2020, 1:02 AM

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People who are on Saturday don’t matter

tough igloo Jun 21, 2020, 1:02 AM

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They're livin in the past man

ocean mirage Jun 21, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Keep up

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:06 AM

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I was celebrating father's day earlier and a few other things rolled into one.

ocean mirage Jun 21, 2020, 1:07 AM

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I think our Father’s Day must be on another day

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:08 AM

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I mean its tomorrow, but we went out of town

ocean mirage Jun 21, 2020, 1:09 AM

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I think I’d have heard about it if it were here

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Not that I’d do anything

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:11 AM

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mhmmmmm rolling things into one

autumn wasp Jun 21, 2020, 1:11 AM

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So I need some help deciding. Deciding on to use HA or not, and I know asking in here might be bias. But I use wyze lights, sensors, cameras, google nest thermostat and singled lights as well. Is it worth the time to se this up as I didn’t see wyze in any of the products supported.

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:12 AM

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@autumn wasp how familiar are you with yaml?

autumn wasp Jun 21, 2020, 1:13 AM

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I’m really not that’s the thing. A co worker of mine said to try openhab and then a friend said HA so trying to figure out what is going to be easiest without me bombarding with questions and what supports my products.

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I’m always up for learning but not familiar

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Just tired of multiple apps except for using Alexa but kinda limited on what I can see

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:15 AM

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who needs yaml, node-red ftw

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:15 AM

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well HA was weird for me at the beginning too but the learning curve is really steep! especially since 0.9x new users should get started in no time...
if you're tired of multiple apps - HA is point on for that, kind of a swiss army knife for everything

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@rain swift dashboards and addons don't need yaml? I haven't looked into nodered yet, someday maybe... just curious

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:27 AM

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I mean some stuff does for basic configs, but automations don't.

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the dashboards generally don't, unless it's a custom card but those are usually easy.

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automations are where yaml becomes a huge pita and hard to do stuff.

autumn wasp Jun 21, 2020, 1:28 AM

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Ya I played with it the other night on a vm. Which btw suggested to run off a vm or a pi? I have a Plex media server that I was going to run the vm off of as well that is hardwired

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:28 AM

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vm

autumn wasp Jun 21, 2020, 1:28 AM

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But the dashboard seemed like it has a lot of stuff

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:28 AM

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yeah, and you can set it up mostly through the gui

autumn wasp Jun 21, 2020, 1:30 AM

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I think it being 1 am and me playing with stuff I was overwhelmed. I just want to get everything in one place and get it working with my wyze products

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I guess I need to flash the firmware for the cams to get it working for rtsp

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:32 AM

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you can pretty much control everything, I even have my toothbrush connected

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:33 AM

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running cam streams straight to HA isn't that great, but if you just wanna look at them I guess it's okay. I'd keep a separate camera system myself.

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I have my tooth brush connected to a smart outlet lol

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so I can kill that damn light when its time for bed

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:34 AM

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heh, me too except I get battery, time, modes and intensity also... so it charges only when daylight and if needed at all

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https://i.imgur.com/Jo2DtV7.png

Imgur

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:35 AM

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mine can connect to a smart phone app over blue tooth, I wonder if I can do that

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what brand is it?

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Is it oral b? mine is

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:36 AM

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correct

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point me to this awesomeness. 😄

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how are you connecting to the bt?

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:37 AM

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here's my code:
https://gitlab.com/snippets/1928948

GitLab

OralB 9200w Battery Status ($1928948) · Snippets

GitLab.com

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:37 AM

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I have....no idea what to do with that. 🤣

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:37 AM

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https://community.home-assistant.io/t/oral-b-bluetooth-connected-toothbrush/35595/17

Home Assistant Community

Oral-B BLUETOOTH CONNECTED TOOTHBRUSH

I tried Cybele, the mqtt gateway and some more but had no luck until now with my 9200w… Cybele is excellent, but did not read the Battery unfortunately anyway I’m using noble now and you can grab the script for battery and status here:

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:37 AM

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ahhh

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:39 AM

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I have a container with noble.js running and this script... tell me if you're interested and I can give you the docker image, just compiled for raspberrys (bluetooth) though

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:40 AM

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yeah I'm running a hass.io type install that came on a vmware disk image.

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that I converted to a virtual box disk lol

autumn wasp Jun 21, 2020, 1:42 AM

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That’s what I did as well need to learn how to set it to automatically start when I reboot that computer

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:42 AM

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oh ok... well you can always compile the container for i386 and let it run on the host
https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nGhxxcC6gR/

autumn wasp Jun 21, 2020, 1:42 AM

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So not sure if it’s allowed if not I’ll delete the question but any chance to see how your dashboard is setup on the app?

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:45 AM

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@autumn wasp

autumn wasp Jun 21, 2020, 1:46 AM

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The first page is that everything on one page then you break it all down? Or just that much stuff

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:47 AM

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different views

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:47 AM

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first page is just lightning, media control and my phone battery, everything else (heating, vacuum etc ) in different views

autumn wasp Jun 21, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Gotcha man that’s a lot of things lol

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:52 AM

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i know 😛 I don't even have physical light switches anymore...

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:58 AM

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I do but I don't use them, we rent so I can't put in smart switches, but automations run most stuff, motions sensors and what not.

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I'm getting ready to build a little control box for my night stand for the bedroom lights and a few other things.

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 2:01 AM

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I think my next big improvement will be solar energy and running a battery for my whole IoT stuff (couple raspberry pis and network stuff), uses around 50W rn

autumn wasp Jun 21, 2020, 2:04 AM

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I am just starting to get into the home automation project and seeing how deep this rabbit hole goes. Need to swap everything over to my guest network so it’s not on the same

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:12 AM

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meh, vlans are over-rated.

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Not really

autumn wasp Jun 21, 2020, 2:16 AM

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What do you mean not really?

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 2:17 AM

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They're useful. There have been exploits in smart home devices before

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I wouldnt be putting smart home things on guest networks..

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Yeah, separate VLAN for those for sure

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I have my trusted LAN, an IoT VLAN, and guest VLAN

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Like Tediore said vlans for smart home devices are a very good idea for security but putting them on guest networks is insane. Like welcome to my free wifi please turn off my cameras before you rob my house.

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Yeah exactly heh

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 2:28 AM

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guest network doesn't imply its open for everyone, can still be secured... but the argument stands 😛

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Kinda implied by the name "guest network"

autumn wasp Jun 21, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Ya I have the guest network turned on but it’s not broadcasting

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But I have a orbi mesh so not sure I can do vlans

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 2:29 AM

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guest network vs public network I'd say

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 2:30 AM

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If you have a modern router. Setup a 2.4ghz for smart home devices. hide that ssid etc then just do 5ghz for your actual laptops phones etc. Easy way to split and can setup 2.4 to use vlan seperate to the 5ghz

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:33 AM

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I just block certain things from the internet, like cameras.

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Just scrolled back up.... LOL @dusky plank you have a sensor for your toothbrush.... that is like the actual definition of just one of those "i did it because I can" scenario's. Love it.

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 2:35 AM

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i was bored at that time, quarantine level bored

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plus: i can hear every transformer coil when the device is not charging... so I needed it to be automated 🤷‍♂️ 😄

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:50 AM

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I gave up trying to recover stuff from this failed Synology btrfs array

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Time to nuke it

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 2:51 AM

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The issue you have is that you used a synology

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Hehe

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Some people here would challenge that

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 3:12 AM

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I am willing to fight.

ocean mirage Jun 21, 2020, 3:13 AM

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the good fight

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 3:15 AM

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just rename the lounge to #serverbuilds2.0

ocean mirage Jun 21, 2020, 3:15 AM

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no thanks

static schooner Jun 21, 2020, 3:17 AM

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‘How to build automate an electric toothbrush’ is much more fun

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 3:20 AM

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I need room tracking for my dog. But not sure I want him carrying an iphone on him at all times lol

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 3:25 AM

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Serverbuilds is full of people buying whatever JDM tells them to buy blindly

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Homelab is full out people who have very unhealthy serverhoarding obsessions

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Need a good middleground

tough igloo Jun 21, 2020, 3:28 AM

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@quartz ether would your dog prefer an Apple Watch? Maybe with the limited edition Hermès band?

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What about a Bluetooth tag on the collar

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Get a cheap mi watch and attach it to the collar

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My cat had a TabCat tracker. Apparently it was zigbee but I had no idea how to interface with it

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But knowing if the cat was in zigbee range of the house would have been very useful

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Yea I just want to know if he is out the back or in the bedroom or down the drive kinda thing. He always sits in the damn blind spots of my cameras.

I was thinking a BT type tracker and setting up a few rPi's around the house to keep track of him.

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 3:47 AM

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@dusky plank it was indeed a hardware issue with the SATA controller. got the replacement today and the same errors don't appear in dmesg

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Room assistant is probably your best bet for dog tracking then

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On your property

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I think you can use esp32s and just go crazy with the number of them

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I'm not sure if it's best to use identical hardware for the listeners

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 4:08 AM

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It's not nice to refer to my fiancee as a dog

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 4:08 AM

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I thought you were the dog

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scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Heh

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 4:18 AM

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Just spent $350 on things 🙂 .

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 4:46 AM

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man I hate this feature! https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/articles/00044398

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Because of EU law tv/media appliances must turn off after 15 minutes of no use.

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Need to figure out how to reverse engineer this...

undone aspen Jun 21, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Curiousity, I recently got this Intel NUC, and I set it in BIOS to power on when power is restored, but when it does so, the fan spins up, the power LED turns on, but it never seems to... Boot. POST, or output to HDMI, anything.

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 4:53 AM

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@rare condor you could see if there's an IR remote button you can press that doesn't do anything

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 4:53 AM

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@rare condor can you use a smart remote? otherwise a ir sender then just get hass to auto send a signal (maybe volume up then down or if you have arrow keys / button that does nothing then that) so tv still sees "use" but doesnt affect the watching.

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Then have a broadlink transmit that signal every 10m

undone aspen Jun 21, 2020, 4:54 AM

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I have to hold down the power button for 5+ seconds, release, see it turn off. And push the power button again so it actually boots. Anyone ever.... Experienced this kind of issue with a NUC?

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 4:54 AM

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That's what I tried with Tasmota any that keep it awake change input or do something annoying

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Can you change volume on it quickly

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Volume Up Down was best, but steps are loud enough for it to be a bit annoying

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 4:54 AM

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:/

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Next step will be to try output to none active audio input and see if it keeps it awake

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Surely there is a button on the tv that "does nothing" but registers as a press like one of those yellow red blue green buttons for teletext that are pointless

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Is it turning off when you don't want it to?

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It's a soundbar

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Just spent another $240 on more stuff. 🙂 Going to have all the things to setup in 6-8 weeks time when it shows up from china HAHA

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Amazon US is slower than china for me atm

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 4:57 AM

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It turns off on low signal audio and after 15 minutes setting up automation to turn it on works but I have no feedback, I tried using a Power monitor but difference between idle and standby is >1watt.

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I tried just sending play button over and over: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1hzQ.aODxK1RjSsphq6zHrpXaR/New-RMT-AH103U-Replaced-Remote-Control-fit-for-Sony-Sound-Bar-HT-CT80-SA-CT80.jpg_960x960.jpg But it doesn't keep it on

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Is it hdmi cec controllable

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 4:57 AM

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No HDMI

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Its only $150

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Is there a power on/off code you can use or is it purely a toggle

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 4:58 AM

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I'll try and send a few other sony codes and see but looks like just toggle

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Need to experiment a bit more

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Turn on would be best. Then you can just keep sending that

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Or have HA send that when your tv turns on or input changes or enters playback mode

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Does it turn off during a movie

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And does it turn itself back on

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 5:02 AM

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Die Hard nope, a quiet place yes

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depends on movie

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doesn't turn back on

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 5:02 AM

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:/ annoying

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So you have to turn it on manually every time you use it?

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 5:03 AM

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yes

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mandated by EU law, but they used same embedded fw everywhere annoyingly

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 5:03 AM

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If you increase your tv volume and turn down the volume on your soundbar it should make it turn off less

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Doesn't solve having to turn it on but even on a quiet place it should stay on

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Just buy a new one

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 5:04 AM

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I'm not sure that works either tbh

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yeah leaning that way

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but ashame as its fine otherwise

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 5:04 AM

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It would be measuring the signal level from the tv

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 5:05 AM

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a feature designed to help the environment is contributing massively to e-waste

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Hehe

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Yeah that's my guess so even using vol-u/down doesn't stop the timer triggering if signal is below say 5-10%

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anyway partly ranting

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well do some tests to see if I can fix it

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Definitely bump up the tv output volume

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I'm certain it will help reduce standby during playback

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 5:10 AM

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its on max :/

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 5:18 AM

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:(

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New soundbar it is

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Sell it :D

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Time for zfs

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It's Morphin Time

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Zordon File System

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 6:45 AM

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ONE OF US!

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 6:48 AM

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Need the wife to surrender the laptop

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Now I have no "desktop"

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 6:52 AM

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Your putting zfs on your desktop 😲

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Well I'm turning my desktop into my server

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And promoting the laptop to the desktop

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I have a dock for the laptop

rare condor Jun 21, 2020, 7:22 AM

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homelab would not approve lol

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 8:00 AM

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Pfft

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I don't take criticism from people who rent multiple racks of colo to host their plex servers

boreal pewter Jun 21, 2020, 8:05 AM

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If you no take critic from professionals and keep doing noob stuff you will most likely not improve tho 🤔

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 8:08 AM

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Professionals?

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Nothing pro about spending $20k running your personal datacentre

ocean mirage Jun 21, 2020, 8:10 AM

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Professional home lab

boreal pewter Jun 21, 2020, 8:10 AM

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Well, if you'd spend that 20k in Colo to make 40k it's still more than I do in my free time 😂

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Trust me none of those guys make money from it

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A big fat server would have more than enough virtualisation capabilities for learning for them

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My new (old) desktop

fiery sorrel Jun 21, 2020, 8:23 AM

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i have a homelab, with real server, ups switch and all.
I think i have over 15K of hardware, and indeed only use < 25% of it.
But i think you'r getting the goal wrong. The goal is to learn for this.
If you'r a dev/software guy, you don't need real hardware to learn what you want. Heck you don't need real OS ether and can do only with docker
But i'm a sysadmin, i need to learn the depth of the OS and the hardware part of hosting.

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If you read a bit on the reddit, you'll see 2 type. "LOOK AT ME" people, and the one who really want to learn from it

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and i did make a X2 on my salary because of this lab, so (aside from the power bill) in only a year i've made it worth it's money

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 8:48 AM

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But how does having racks in colo help them learn it?

quartz ether Jun 21, 2020, 8:48 AM

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There is no money is paid plex. lol. Just a lawsuit waiting to happen

fiery sorrel Jun 21, 2020, 9:00 AM

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But how does having racks in colo help them learn it?
@hushed basalt maybe they won't need to go in datacenter (like i nolonger have to now) but still need to work on real hardware for IPMI/idrac/ilo stuff, or working on the driver of some hardware ?

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and maybe they don't want a noizy space-heater a home 🥵

boreal pewter Jun 21, 2020, 9:15 AM

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I think there is no place where you would not need Colo in an professional environment, considering it being home, when not making good money with it

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For learning probably anything is just fine. I started with the 5 bucks Kimsufi server

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 9:50 AM

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@scenic radish so you keep all 3 of them? 🎉

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Speaking of space heaters

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My desktop to server setup actually uses about the same amount of power as my Synology did

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Probably less under load considering it has a shitload more power available without clocking up

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 9:55 AM

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my NAS is arm, it basically just needs the hdd power to function 🤓 whats the current state on the HA transition @hushed basalt

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Just installed proxmox on it

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So a while yet haha :'(

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 10:03 AM

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so you threw your 4TB linux isos away?

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Yeah wasn't worth trying to recover them

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And might not have been able to anyways

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Sonarr and plex will spit chips when I reinstall them, but oh well

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I wish ceph was more viable at small scale, I don't like having all the storage availability on one machine

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 10:08 AM

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ceph?

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

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It's a cluster storage system,

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

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oh ok

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Think raid but distributed across many machines

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Think like backblaze, similar concept to that

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 10:14 AM

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i only know gluster

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cool rpi case

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hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 10:25 AM

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Gluster I think uses bricks

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So you have raid on each machine and you create bricks on that. i think

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Ceph is more, 1 brick per hard drive typically

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Each hdd stays it's own seperate device

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You can even have different types of "raid" on the same set of drives

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So erasure code is roughly equivalent to raid5/6 etc, and replicas are like n-way raid1

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And they can exist on the same drives

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That's a nice case

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I don't even think you can buy rpizeros now can you?

fiery sorrel Jun 21, 2020, 10:33 AM

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1 at a time in europe i believe

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 10:35 AM

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I got mine from element14 in aus

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Everywhere else was always way more expensive

fiery sorrel Jun 21, 2020, 10:36 AM

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yea they aren't cheap usealy... i have 4 in the house, mostly because they are tiny enought to not need a nice case, just hidden on top of furnitur

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 10:37 AM

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I think they were about $30 back when they had them

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Near enough to just get a rpi A

fiery sorrel Jun 21, 2020, 10:38 AM

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they arn't worth there power, they are worth there size.

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 10:40 AM

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they still can transcode 720p from any webcam to h264 fine 🙂

fiery sorrel Jun 21, 2020, 10:41 AM

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never worked with pi for CCTV, but when i saw how bad zoneminder was on a VM ... i wouldn't have expected that from a pi Zero

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Derp. Wondering why I couldn't connect to any of the servers after the reshuffle

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I had my wifi AP plugged directly into the router but never connected the switch running everything else

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And my laptop was connecting over wifi so I didn't notice that wasn't on lan

eager vortex Jun 21, 2020, 11:44 AM

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hmm

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i like the idea of home assistant for docker, but with no addons? 🤔

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its kinda a deal breaker for me

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am i right?

clever mortar Jun 21, 2020, 11:55 AM

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Only you can tell if learning Docker isn't for you 🤷

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Of course, if you wanted to run #449717345808547842 and didn't want to learn Docker... well... I have news for you 😉

eager vortex Jun 21, 2020, 11:57 AM

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life isnt for me 🙃

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Run Home Assistant (Core) using Docker - natively! No add-ons.

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yes please

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sign me up today

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hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 12:02 PM

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Did you know Docker refers to the international space station docking system

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Docker was first created by President Kennedy in 1967 but failed to achieive approval by congress

clever mortar Jun 21, 2020, 12:03 PM

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The really scary news is ... if you're using #330990055533576204 or #330944238910963714 you're already using Docker 😄

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clever mortar Jun 21, 2020, 12:07 PM

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I'd ask in #hardware-archived

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 12:49 PM

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Anyone using a nightlight for their toddlers?

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@clear ferry ?

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Bought a pair of 8tbs

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It's shuckin time

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In 3-4 weeks :(

shut raptor Jun 21, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Best area to get help with hacs? (frontend items)?

clever mortar Jun 21, 2020, 1:43 PM

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Well, that's unlikely to be HACS itself then 😉

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#frontend-archived for the frontend
#integrations-archived for integrations

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HACS is just a way of installing things after all...

shut raptor Jun 21, 2020, 1:44 PM

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Okay its just everything new I seem to install gives me an error after adding it to ui-lovelace.yaml

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 1:45 PM

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So I'm way late, but how the f does the govt know if you have had your TV or radio on for more than 15 minutes without using it?

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 1:48 PM

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@hushed basalt
you‘re a toddler 😉

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Government @rain swift ?

clever mortar Jun 21, 2020, 1:51 PM

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He's not aware that every TV and radio has an embedded camera used by the government to watch everybody

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Your face is a toddler

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@dusky plank

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If he's referring to the soundbar turning off after 15 minutes. They wouldn't know. But the manufacturers have to lock that feature in. Thanks Europe.

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:20 PM

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yes that

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is it some green garbage or the TV license doesn't cover that or what lol I'm really trying to understand the reasoning, I won't say logic as that's never a thing with this stuff.

clever mortar Jun 21, 2020, 2:22 PM

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"green garbage"

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Aka saving power, and the planet

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:23 PM

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sure, that's what they tell themselves anyways lol.

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meanwhile china creates more pollution than everyone else combined x100

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we'll all be dead in 12 years anyways, may as well party it up

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:26 PM

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I mean enforcing standby policies is important

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Let's say 3 billion people have access to a certain standard of electronics in their homes

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Policies that could reduce the aggregate consumption of devices per person by even 20 watts

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That's 60 000 000 000 watts of electricity saved

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525,600,000,000,000kwH a year

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Small efficiencies add up to huge amounts at the global scale

clever mortar Jun 21, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Which is why the EU mandated mobile charger standards, and manufacturers no longer ship a charger with every damn device

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:31 PM

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If manufacturers had their way TVs wouldn't even turn off they'd just output black

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For "instant on" capabilities

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:32 PM

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so, every 15 minutes you have to turn your radio back on?

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that sounds like fun during a party.

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:32 PM

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I mean look at chromecast and their perpetual screensavers

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No you don't

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:32 PM

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hold on guys, gotta go turn the radio back on lol.

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:33 PM

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It just needs to turn off if it's not being used

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:33 PM

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so how do they know a radio is "idle"

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if its playing music, its playing music.

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 2:33 PM

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If it's not receiving an audio signal...

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:33 PM

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aaaah

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what if its FM?

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its always getting a signal.

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or if its an mp3 player

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:34 PM

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A radio signal, but not an audio signal

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:34 PM

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just seems like a pointless feature, but it makes people feel like they are "doing something".

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:34 PM

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how is something getting a fm signal with no audio .....

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:35 PM

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what are you talking about?

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:35 PM

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If the radio played mp3 it would be able to know if the song was paused or not

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:35 PM

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fm is audio

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:35 PM

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It's not

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You can play nothing over an fm signal

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They have pilot tones

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:35 PM

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so if I'm playing my huge mp3 library that has 30 days worth of continuous music, it won't shut off

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?

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:36 PM

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really frequency modulation .... modulation being the clue .... it is absoulty audio

clever mortar Jun 21, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Well, technically it's a carrier for audio

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Unless you have radio ears

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:36 PM

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dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:37 PM

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but it contains the audio ... that is my specialty in communications

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:37 PM

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the question is, how much difference does this additional regulation added to the 053469834754057430 already in existence make.

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:38 PM

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If the radio station plays silence you can still tune to it

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:38 PM

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still audio

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Splitting hairs

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:38 PM

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just no modulation

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:38 PM

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scientists can't tell us what a hurricane will do accurately 3 days out but they know what is going to happen in 100 years.

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but it gives you warm and fuzzies.

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 2:40 PM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/cc9a6e816693f6c787c4886f8148584b/tenor.gif

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:40 PM

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I would consider the modulation the audio signal

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So no modulation, no audio signal

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I wouldn't call the 19k tone audio for the context of this conversation

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:42 PM

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true but it prolly is impossible to not have any modulation ...just not enough to be audioble

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but my sub goes down to 15k soo?

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 2:43 PM

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Sounds like a bad subwoofer

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:43 PM

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no it cost 1.5k

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 2:44 PM

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But it only goes down to 15,000 Hz?

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:44 PM

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oh shit i meant 15 hz .... my bad

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 2:44 PM

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I know lol

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Shared spectrum is gross

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Everyone should have their own strands

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Cries in Australian

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I don't think fm goes below 50hz anyways

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:45 PM

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fcc in us declares freq for each use

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:45 PM

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just force 1 child policy world-wide, and leave my radio alone. 🙂

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:45 PM

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i am with ya ^^^^

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Yes but the spectrum is shared

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waves hand across and makes a rainbow

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Not sure what the big deal is with a sound bar turning off after 15 minutes of not receiving an audio signal lol

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:47 PM

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It turned off during movies

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:47 PM

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i would leave aussie then ...sounds bad over there

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 2:47 PM

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What?? That's overly sensitive then

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Well I'm pretty sure everyone over their isn't getting their own 5G cells per person ;)

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 2:47 PM

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That's an issue for sure

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:48 PM

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isnt a problem for me ....but maybe for others .... my sound system does not turn off

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:48 PM

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my problem is regulating stupid stuff like that into electronics.

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:48 PM

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agreed

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:49 PM

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lets just force everyone to wear x inches of bubble wrap when they leave the house lol.

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:49 PM

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It's dumb on Sony's part for not designing it properly

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But the principle is important

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:49 PM

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is it though

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:49 PM

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It's like saying Takata airbags went bad so we shouldn't use airbags

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:49 PM

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what proof do we have it does anything lol

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:50 PM

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leave sony and go to proper hifi gear

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Proof.. in.. the energy reduction...

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:50 PM

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but that doesn't prove you actually did anything to the environment one way or another...

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:50 PM

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I don't even have a soundbar or amp. So I'm greener than all y'all

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:50 PM

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but here's the funny thing

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if you just pay me a carbon tax then everything you do is okay.

dull chasm Jun 21, 2020, 2:51 PM

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i am green ...two amps and two avrs .... 🤣

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:51 PM

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The carbon taxes are designed to make the producers of the carbon pay some part of the costs

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:51 PM

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there's a lot of people making scrooge mcduck money pushing all this climate change business.

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you don't think old greta thunberg was just invited to the UN because, follow the monies.

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Is there greenwashing, absolutely

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But letting people use fossil fuels without any regard...

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That's not going to end well for the 99%

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If you want to follow the money there's plenty of money to follow in the fossil fuels industries

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https://media.tenor.com/images/38cf463e178f1e36845d9dc70b505945/tenor.gif

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 2:56 PM

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yep, lemee know when you shut down the fossil fuel industry LOL the planet would grind to a halt.

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we've created a society that can't support even half of itself without gas and oil

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places like long island can't exist, at all, everything has to be trucked in.

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you gotta pull some Georgia guide stones depopulation stuff to make a big dent. D:

ripe radish Jun 21, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Is there a lovelace channel?

static schooner Jun 21, 2020, 4:18 PM

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#frontend-archived

tidal bronze Jun 21, 2020, 4:38 PM

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@forest edge and done 😆

📎 Screenshot_20200621-093646_Gallery.jpg

brazen fable Jun 21, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Yes. Yes.

📎 6rbr2y5lq36511.jpg

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Literally the ugliest "truck" in existence lol

brazen fable Jun 21, 2020, 5:33 PM

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PFft

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you have no taste

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 5:41 PM

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I'll take one, and it would be unique among all the bubba trucks on the road with the same design for the past however many decades lol.

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I prefer liftbacks or coupes

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 5:46 PM

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ah where do HACS questions go I forgot.

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 5:46 PM

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#integrations-archived

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(since it's a custom integration)

static schooner Jun 21, 2020, 5:47 PM

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or https://discord.gg/QreVVF

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Yeah good 👉

brisk glen Jun 21, 2020, 7:29 PM

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@brazen fable at least making custom parts for that truck is going to be easy

unreal orbit Jun 21, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Amazon is constantly evaluating our product and service offerings to best serve our customers. Beginning July 21st 2020, Dash Wand devices will no longer be supported. You can still use Alexa to add items to your Shopping List, add groceries to your cart, reorder items, and more with any Echo device or use the Alexa feature within the Amazon App and the Alexa App.
Another Amazon device bites the dust. Guess this one should have been expected after dash buttons went away

last dirge Jun 21, 2020, 8:09 PM

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@last plaza oh yeah, got that the other day

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Fallout Shelter

tidal bronze Jun 21, 2020, 8:11 PM

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@last dirge tesla is selling qcell with solaredge 😆

last dirge Jun 21, 2020, 8:11 PM

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@tidal bronze I'd get the Tesla solar, they just don't install in GA

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yeah, I know

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but their prices are SIGNIFICANTLY less than what I've been quoted

tidal bronze Jun 21, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Yep pretty cheap. I wanted Panasonic and enphase. Don't want to rely on a single inverter.

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2.64 vs 1.96 per watt. Price is cheap but.....

last dirge Jun 21, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I don't wanna do micros since storage gets stupid

tidal bronze Jun 21, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Was drilling down on the quote and solaredge on my estimate is 2400w below max panel production. Typical tesla.

last dirge Jun 21, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I got quoted $3.65/watt

tidal bronze Jun 21, 2020, 8:14 PM

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I was cracking up.

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I kinda don't like when people sell shit that they really don't know about.

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Pretty sure its fine for many that don't too much. Kinda sad when design "engineer" scrambles for data and scratching head on a call.

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I will decide when they call back with a redesign next week. I am still leaning towards enphase + Panasonic. Too many solaredge horror stories.

dusky plank Jun 21, 2020, 9:37 PM

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@rare condor
2 nics
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hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 10:18 PM

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It's been quiet here lately

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 10:24 PM

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@hushed basalt

tough igloo Jun 21, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Quiet like a fox

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 10:27 PM

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Past few days it's been quiet

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No atx... Coincidence?

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It cost me $470 to order 2 x 8TB easystores drives off Amazon

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Would be $824 to buy 2 x 8TB WD Reds locally 🤢

scenic radish Jun 21, 2020, 10:45 PM

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No atx... Coincidence?
I think not

rain swift Jun 21, 2020, 10:54 PM

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I ordered a sous vide machine, can't wait, couldn't take people talking about how amazing it is anymore. 😄

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 11:11 PM

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Damn straight

hearty depot Jun 21, 2020, 11:46 PM

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Wont you ll get low performance because of SMR?

hushed basalt Jun 21, 2020, 11:56 PM

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CMR at 8tb and greater

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 12:38 AM

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@rare condor I've been thinking, I know I said it's not good practice

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But I'm considering using 2 x consumer nvme as a zfs mirror for my proxmox os and vm storage

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Mainly because I don't want to use 2 sata ports for it :D

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 12:43 AM

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I genuinely believe it's a suitable option, it's a home server not a mission critical enterprise server. No one will judge ... except ATX 😜

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Also why not buy an HBA?

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They are great for getting more SATA and better controller

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 1:07 AM

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I will buy a hba

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But it's also mounting locations and powering 2.5" that becomes a bit of a PITA

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I have 6 sata ports onboard. I can comfortably fit 10 3.5" drives in this case.

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So I can potentially have 8 x 8TB in a mergerFS, and 4 x raid10 ZFS and still have 2 ports to run some sort of ssd caching

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Man this UPS is super noisey. I'll see if it becomes quieter when it fully charges

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Otherwise fan mod here I come

scenic radish Jun 22, 2020, 1:44 AM

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Which UPS do you have @hushed basalt ?

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 1:48 AM

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An Eaton 5px

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 1:51 AM

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i.e. not consumer or home use 😛

scenic radish Jun 22, 2020, 2:02 AM

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Ah lol

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Yeah I'm just an APC pleb then

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 2:19 AM

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I have a Big APC that was sent to me incorrectly

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still in box giving it a year cool down before I install in case they ask for it back 😛

scenic radish Jun 22, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Heh, in the US if a business sends you something you didn't order you're not obligated to send it back even if they ask

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 2:23 AM

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It's an RMA and I have kept both, the original started to work randomly. The new one is much bigger

scenic radish Jun 22, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Ah gotcha.

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 2:34 AM

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I think it's the same here Tediore

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But I believe it's to do with toner scams etc

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Call up the business, ask for the name of someone who works there. Send them a dozen off market toner. Then send them an invoice : ref person at company.

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Then hope the unsolicited invoice gets paid by accounts payable

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You're entitled to just keep the goods and not pay the invoice

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Ordered some fans

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Arctic F8 silents. Should be a 1000 times quieter. Apparently they work according to the interwebs.

scenic radish Jun 22, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Ooo nice

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 2:48 AM

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I have all my gear in a cabinet in the office too

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But i think I need to install some ventilation in it

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Wayyy too ~~noisey~~ hot

scenic radish Jun 22, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Ah yeah that'll do it

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Is that illegal, to send toner randomly to people and invoice them? I would imagine many companies would blindly pay without questioning?

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It feels fraud-like

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Registers haxxasrealtonerservice.com

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Hence the scam part ;)

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But I believe it's to do with toner scams etc
@hushed basalt

scenic radish Jun 22, 2020, 4:20 AM

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@hushed basalt
@hushed basalt stop pinging yourself

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 4:21 AM

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awww... I was just about to get rich. don't dash my dreams of reaping cash from corporate Australia 😥😥

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 4:32 AM

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They usually target small businesses

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Big enough to have multiple employees in the office and small enough not to have dedicated corporate vendors

scenic radish Jun 22, 2020, 4:33 AM

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I just noticed your avatar is a kitty

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:3

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 4:34 AM

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how did you not see that? 😛

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You need a better resolution monitor 😛

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 4:38 AM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/ff3b4411f55e93682f3e70dddad23a92/tenor.gif

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Zfs sure is a lot better documented than btrfs

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:44 AM

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@hushed basalt please don't use btrfs, I got burnt by it on both a NAS and on my Linux box, atleast avoid RAID5-6 configs

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I really don't like groupthink but BTRFS really has its quirks

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:45 AM

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Have you missed my recent saga about my nas crashing on me

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:46 AM

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I did, I was wondering why you were looking at Filesystems

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:46 AM

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My synology btrfs volume crashed. Corrupted all over the place

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:46 AM

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Only downside I see to ZFS is lack of expansion of Vdevs

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:46 AM

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I had to abandon the linuxisos

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:46 AM

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ooof

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NOOOO!!!

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:46 AM

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Have the important stuff on backups so it's okay

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:46 AM

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Nice

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:47 AM

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Just a forced spring cleaning

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But I'm not touching synology again

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:47 AM

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I will end up using GSuite Account soon, its $16.8 AUD so a bit more than expected

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:47 AM

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Not only did it crash for no reason, but between btrfs and synology there was no real recovery process

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Yeah they price hiked

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:48 AM

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Desktop -> Dupliciti -> Server -> Rclone -> Google Drive

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Note to Self: Never buy consumer NAS

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:48 AM

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I've made a 4TB zpool mirror for transactional data. Which I'll export with NFS and samba

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Kubernetes will use it for their persistence volumes, as well as mounting common directories

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Then I'll use mergerfs for static low/no write data

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:50 AM

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nice, I need to learn Kubernetes, never used it everyone loves it

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:50 AM

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It's a huge learning curve

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There'd be no benefit if you weren't going to use it professionally

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:50 AM

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I just covered dockers.

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:50 AM

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Also administering it vs using it as a developer are two different things as well

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:51 AM

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fair, you use it at work?

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:51 AM

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I'm job hunting haha, but I am learning the DevOps side of things

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:51 AM

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Nice, good use of time 🙂

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:51 AM

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Covid fucked over my job searching haha

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But for single machine personal use docker will pretty much cover everything you'd need

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There's some immaturing of docker vs kubernetes in some features but it's something you can live with

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Because I use proxmox I generally use straight LXC. When I need dockers I use VM -> Docker which isn't ideal but Proxmox wasn't made for dockers really

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:53 AM

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I haven't learnt LXC yet

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:53 AM

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You can also run dockers in LXC but that has some serious penalties

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:54 AM

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I have 4 x proxmox machines and I've set up a vm on each one

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:54 AM

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(in terms of configuration and some volume types aren't supported etc.)

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:54 AM

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And am installing kubernetes on those machines

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:54 AM

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nice

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Love proxmox. I can just blast away bad configs and start again

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:55 AM

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What's the advantage of Proxmox in that context why not run it on bare metal if only one VM?

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:55 AM

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I did that first

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But it was a major hassle

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If you mess up you have to reinstall the bare metal OS

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And this way I don't do major "upgrades" to the vm operating systems

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I just destroy them and recreate them with the updates

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:56 AM

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ah fair call

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:57 AM

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I've already nuked and redid kubernetes probably 3 dozen times learning it

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:57 AM

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nice best way to learn. I have an exam tomorrow ☹

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:57 AM

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I was supposed to do an aws exam this week

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But my server crashing has made me focus on getting that back up haha

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:58 AM

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haha nice

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 7:58 AM

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No homeassistant or plex atm

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 7:58 AM

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all backed up?

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 8:01 AM

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My config/ appdata yeah

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 8:01 AM

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nice

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 8:01 AM

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Plus my configuration.yaml is on github

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 8:02 AM

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same

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 8:02 AM

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Even though homeassistant is becoming more and more stateful

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So that's becoming less and less useful

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 8:02 AM

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😦

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 8:05 AM

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Well, yes, but the things losing YAML are largely the things where it's NBD

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I mean, is it really handy to know that my Plex server is configured with two secrets?

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It's just as easy to document that in your config so that others know

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 8:06 AM

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It means you can't restore directly from a config. You need to configure it all again, even if it is trivial.

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 8:06 AM

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blink

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If you've been backing all your secrets up to your public GitHub you've been doing it wrong

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At which point, you couldn't use that to "restore directly" anyway

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If however your backups are insufficient, that's a you problem

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 8:07 AM

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I have two backups one public and one private.

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 8:07 AM

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And that private repo is unchanged

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If you're backing up .storage/ you still have it all

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If you aren't, you never did have it all

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In terms of disaster recovery, files have moved location, that's all

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 8:09 AM

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and format / readability

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 8:09 AM

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It's JSON... it's not hard to read

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Tools like jq even pretty print it for you

forest edge Jun 22, 2020, 8:10 AM

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psssh backups. live on the edge.. no backups..

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 8:11 AM

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Ah, you're one of those running a Pi with a 0.5A mobile charger 😛

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 8:11 AM

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I have a 10 year old raid0 going strong

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 8:11 AM

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RAID0 has uses

forest edge Jun 22, 2020, 8:11 AM

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you can't truly appreciate your hours and days and months of hard work if you can't lose it in a blink of an eye lol

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 8:11 AM

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damned few of them, but it has uses

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 8:12 AM

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LVM started on a raspi1, now has like 7 disks

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all old HDDs

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 8:41 AM

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I don't use secrets.yaml

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I use env_var and have them provided to the docker compose during deployment

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I don't put secrets under a git repo as a force of habit

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Even if it's gitignored

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My configuration.yaml is just a one light include statement to include another file in a subdirectory

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Then I put everything under that, and git that subdirectory

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Hacky but it's what you have to do when apps merge config with stateful directories and secrets

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Raid0 is great for scratch discs and other high performance temp files

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Thats... About it

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At least homeassistant doesn't pull in your environmental secrets and write them to the yaml. I'm looking at you appdaemon

dusky plank Jun 22, 2020, 9:37 AM

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does Appdaemon use websockets? I still have a ipad 1st gen which just supports traditional http

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 9:40 AM

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Hadashboard, i think it works on older ipads

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Tbh I wouldn't bother

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I'd just buy a cheap android tablet if you want a wall panel or something

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Lovelace can do everything you need much easier

dusky plank Jun 22, 2020, 9:43 AM

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It already has it's own interface served by a lighttpd-php docker... just wanted to know 🙂 thx

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 10:31 AM

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My android tablet (Dell Streak 8) runs 4.4.4 so it can't display lovelace 😥 Webview too old.

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Opera kinda works (sort of)

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But 1Gb of Ram is a hard ask

dusky plank Jun 22, 2020, 10:43 AM

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ipad has 512mb 😄

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 10:51 AM

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Too bad raspberry pi touchscreens are so expensive

dusky plank Jun 22, 2020, 10:58 AM

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atx is not even in the list anymore 🧐

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:11 AM

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HP SERVER GEAR IS TERRIBLE

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PROXMOX IS GREAT

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NORWAY IS TOO COLD

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50c/kwh is Cheap

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🤔

ocean mirage Jun 22, 2020, 11:12 AM

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thats a lot of c

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:13 AM

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Normally I get a 🤢🤮 by now...

ocean mirage Jun 22, 2020, 11:14 AM

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is that actually what you pay

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:16 AM

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No

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It was in reference to atxbyea

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Maybe the norwat secret service captured him

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Corporate espionage. Actually works for Azure

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:27 AM

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KINBALL ISN'T A REAL SPORT

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 11:28 AM

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You should be asleep

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Rest up for uour exam

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:28 AM

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It's 9:30pm

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Exactly

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:28 AM

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😛 OK DAD!

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nah I will go to bed around 1am

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 11:29 AM

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I wake up at like 5.30 every day

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Can't function without 8 hours of sleep

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:29 AM

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yeah not doing that, I still get 8hrs sleep but get up late morning

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 11:30 AM

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Haven't had a sleep in since the beginning of 2019

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:30 AM

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why?

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I'm useless if I get up early

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But exam tomorrow not too bad, bit worried about data structures exam on Wednesday

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 11:34 AM

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Kids

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Well kid

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You might as well be on Perth timezone

midnight adder Jun 22, 2020, 11:35 AM

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evening nice people

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:36 AM

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I used to work at Bunnings, I would get so annoyed at tradies at 6am getting pissed off because TPS hadn't been stocked previous night and I had to then lift 40kg cables crates on my own. People who get up before its light need to stop been so productive!

ocean mirage Jun 22, 2020, 11:36 AM

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hello dreaming

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:36 AM

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Honestly I am already on Perth timezone

midnight adder Jun 22, 2020, 11:42 AM

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How's it going?

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I have a question, where does VLANing fit here

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for home assistant

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like which lobby

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:43 AM

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#general-archived or here

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What's your question?

midnight adder Jun 22, 2020, 11:43 AM

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VLAning home assistant

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worth it?

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:43 AM

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imo yes

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I have several VLANs to My HASS VM

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interface between IOT network and my home network

midnight adder Jun 22, 2020, 11:44 AM

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let's say I dont want my guests to see the shit

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or connect to apple tv

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or something like that

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whilst having

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:44 AM

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VLANs or Firewall Rules would suit this

midnight adder Jun 22, 2020, 11:45 AM

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a direct connection from outside

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:45 AM

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You can achieve this on most APs with a Guest Network

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It abstracts VLAN concepts and only allows internet access

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Usually SSID name is SOMETHING_Guest

turbid stirrup Jun 22, 2020, 11:48 AM

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Another nice thing with formalized guest networks is some APs allow you to priotize bandwidth... In case you're in an area with limited speed and your kids' friends like streaming at your house.

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Yeah its a nice feature for example I limit my Family network to 500kbps and allocate my self a constant 90mbps

midnight adder Jun 22, 2020, 12:01 PM

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now thats something

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 12:35 PM

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Put homeassistant on an airgapped computer

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Then plug in the network cable when you need to do an automation

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Then unplug it really quickly to stop the 5G getting in

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 12:38 PM

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You need to wrap the system in tinfoil - tightly to avoid any leakage

dusky plank Jun 22, 2020, 12:48 PM

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the covid19 app from my government is shit... have it installed since 3 days and still no matches, gonna remove soon

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 1:28 PM

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Crazy question to ask here but has anyone used Openhab?

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Like I never tried anything but HASS.

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HASS could be down right terrible in contrast to competition and I wouldn't know 😉😄

green inlet Jun 22, 2020, 1:33 PM

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I understand the only thing that comes close to the granularity of control is homeseer and apparently it is very expensive. I have also only tried HAss though. I had OpenHAB installed but never made it past the install.

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 1:35 PM

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My friend is asking which to use and I feel like saying HASS without testing others is misinformed

dusky plank Jun 22, 2020, 1:35 PM

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i came from homebridge to HA, never once looked back when i got the hang of it... and never looked at anything else because i needed something low power and openhab is java 🤮

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 1:35 PM

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I wonder how big Openhab user base is...

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See that's a plus for me been C++/csharp and java dev

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Python is like Play-Doh

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It's too simple :P

green inlet Jun 22, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Throw it on a raspi and play. If I remember correctly, it is like the OS install of HAss.

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Not dissing python it's greT

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Hmm... Maybe but then I might like it, too much effort if I do. Haha should remain ignorant

turbid stirrup Jun 22, 2020, 1:38 PM

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Depends on the user - my father has a Homey. That's already challenging for him, I wouldn't recommend him to go onto HASS, Homey is much more plug and play but pretty limited because of that, despite the amount of supported devices.

unreal orbit Jun 22, 2020, 1:38 PM

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http://demo.openhab.org:8080/basicui/app?sitemap=demo based on their live demo, I would say I'm very underwhelmed if that's what they're offering

green inlet Jun 22, 2020, 1:40 PM

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I still say they greatest thing about HAss is the granular level of control you can have over things and the user base for support.

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 1:42 PM

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OH is ... different

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I've looked at it a few times, and I can't duplicate my current functionality

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I can get about 2/3 of what I do done, but that's... "not awesome"

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 1:43 PM

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They are an Ubuntu partner now

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Offered in Ubuntu Appliances and recommended by Raspberry Pi Foundation

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That's significant given many hass users start with the Pi

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 1:45 PM

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They have one big (dis)advantage - a 6 (ish) monthly release cycle

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much more "stable"

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And much slower to change

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 1:45 PM

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Betas?

unreal orbit Jun 22, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Only 386 "add-ons" compared to HA's 1611 integrations

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Userbase?

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 1:46 PM

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I looked at it because it's in java and I could contribute far more than I thought I could with hass

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 1:46 PM

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They have snapshots...

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Snapshot versions are at most 1 or 2 days old and include the latest code. Use a snapshot for testing out very recent changes, but be aware some snapshots might be unstable. Use in production at your own risk!

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 1:46 PM

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but no

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Same

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 1:46 PM

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I ended up writing a component for Hass

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and updating an existing one

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 1:47 PM

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I am better with Java tbh

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Sorry guys my palm pre is going to die

unreal orbit Jun 22, 2020, 1:47 PM

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They have no official discord server afaict

rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Chat later

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 1:47 PM

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@rare condor you should check out this ZFS setup

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmjmm0zAotI

YouTube

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rare condor Jun 22, 2020, 1:48 PM

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I will after exams 👍

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Thanks

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 1:48 PM

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I'm better with java too

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going on 17 years now 🙂

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 1:48 PM

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Man it's so much easier provisioning things on debian than synology

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I have... control of my ports, sudoers access, stable packages with community documentation

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 1:51 PM

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are there generic SATA drive racks like the syno uses?

hushed basalt Jun 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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Like hotswap cages?

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Or like whole server chassis

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 2:05 PM

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hotswap stuff

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I've only seen stuff that's built into devices that are vendor-specific

hearty depot Jun 22, 2020, 3:26 PM

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I would like one, but that's US only probably https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-clearing-stock-on-ThinkCentre-M90n-mini-PC-with-Core-i5-512-GB-SSD-and-8-GB-of-RAM-for-399-USD.477087.0.html

Notebookcheck

Lenovo clearing stock on ThinkCentre M90n mini PC with Core i5, 512...

The Intel NUC alternative was made for business environments, but it works just as well for home offices, too. Its M.2 2280 storage is easy to upgrade and its super-slim form factor has a lot of charm.

rocky hollow Jun 22, 2020, 3:45 PM

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I was wondering if someone could give me a hand, I'm terribly confused...

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 3:48 PM

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🖐️

velvet horizonBOT Jun 22, 2020, 3:49 PM

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@rocky hollow Don't ask to ask, just ask your question. Then people can answer when they're around.

When you do ask a question, try to provide as much background detail as possible. Ask yourself these questions first so that others don't have to:

What version of the Home Assistant are you running? (remember, last isn't a version)
What exactly are you trying to do that won't work?
Is the problem uniform or erratic?
What's the exact error message?
When did it arise?
What exactly don't you "get"?
Can you share sample code, ideally with line errors where the error occurs?

rocky hollow Jun 22, 2020, 3:51 PM

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So... I've been running hassio in a docker container for a long while now and lightning took out a bunch of equipment, including the server running docker. I've got backups but I'm totally confused on what version of home assistant I need to install now that what I had installed is no longer supported.

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 3:52 PM

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thunderbolts and lightning, very very frightning me

rocky hollow Jun 22, 2020, 3:53 PM

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It took out two switches, a server and my laptop.

trail crag Jun 22, 2020, 3:53 PM

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mama mia

rocky hollow Jun 22, 2020, 3:54 PM

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I was able to get the laptop back by wiping it but everything else is toast.

trail crag Jun 22, 2020, 3:55 PM

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are you looking for help with this? because this is #the-water-cooler

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📎 unknown.png

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 3:56 PM

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~which @rocky hollow

rocky hollow Jun 22, 2020, 3:56 PM

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I am, I just didn't even know where in any of the support channels to start since I'm just trying to figure out which version I need to install.

velvet horizonBOT Jun 22, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Not sure which install you're using?

If you're using HassOS, flashed an image, or booted a VM with an image you're using #330990055533576204
If you installed Linux and then ran a script to install HA and have add-ons then you have #330944238910963714
If you're running docker commands or use a Docker manager and have no add-ons then you have #449717345808547842
Finally, if you use pip to install or upgrade you have #551864459891703809

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Look there

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Find your channel

rocky hollow Jun 22, 2020, 3:57 PM

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I don't have it installed... I'm trying to figure out which one I need to install or what's supported in docker.

clever mortar Jun 22, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Supported... https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/361518119421739030/714900291472064623

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 4:20 PM

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"hey, infrastructure team, we're getting reports from an external system that they're suddenly having problems, did you change anything?"

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"check the ticketing system"

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cool, thanks for taking the same amount of time it would've taken to say "yeah, we changed some stuff" or "no, we didn't change anything" and providing zero value

unreal orbit Jun 22, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Maybe they didn't know

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(the specific person who responded)

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 4:29 PM

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the specific person who responded is the one that would've done anything

fathom sparrow Jun 22, 2020, 4:42 PM

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you're missing his intent

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which is to never talk to you again

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 4:57 PM

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also to provide no information or value

unreal orbit Jun 22, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Did checking the ticketing system not give you the information you needed?

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:02 PM

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no

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:11 PM

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@dull chasm which amp did you get ?

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:11 PM

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a/v?

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Yep.

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:11 PM

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outlaw

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https://outlawaudio.com/shop/index.php?id_product=27&rewrite=model-5000&controller=product

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Bridge mode?

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:14 PM

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no ....front soundstage ...with bi amps for l/r

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Remote trigger ?

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:14 PM

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yes

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Nice.

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:14 PM

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no audio diff in yam amps vs outlaw or lag

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Need bridge mode at least 300w

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:15 PM

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that's a pretty damn huge transformer in that

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:16 PM

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yes sir ....try man handling that into a shelf

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📎 image0.jpg

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:18 PM

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nice wire management 😉

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:18 PM

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lol temporary

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:18 PM

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nothing more permanent than a temporary solution

orchid rose Jun 22, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Do you mean permanently temporary like my mess is?

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Buddy sent some in ground 12" subs for free neee something to drive them that has a remote trigger.

orchid rose Jun 22, 2020, 5:19 PM

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I actually have my router and external hard disk blocking off my robot vacuum from eating the mess

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:19 PM

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well we are fixing to move ...so alot of network equipment will get its own home ...so kinda sorta

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:19 PM

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what's that thing next to the amp?

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SFFPC?

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:19 PM

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on same shelf

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:20 PM

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yeah

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:20 PM

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little 8 core I7 lenova ...its my ha docker

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I have a Lenovo "docking station" that looks almost exactly the same

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:22 PM

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@tidal bronze that amp drives hard ....you will be very satisfied ...just eat your wheaties ...i think it was like 70#

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:22 PM

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get a Crown 🙂

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:22 PM

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and then a hemmroad

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prep H styling

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:24 PM

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My QSC amps don't have remote triggers. 🙄

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:24 PM

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do you just mean remote turn on?

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Yep

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:24 PM

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or something I'm too poor to understand

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can you make them turn on automatically if they get power?

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:25 PM

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No audio sense. They are 2k amps

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:26 PM

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dont be hating on my .8 k amp

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:26 PM

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no IR?

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:26 PM

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no

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why would it

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:27 PM

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No IR also. AC switching i must try but need 20A

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:27 PM

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there's "appliance" smart switches that can do it

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so the amp is controlled purely by the gain on the inputs?

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that seems pretty counter-intuitive

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:27 PM

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quad you could just use a simple contact ..... 12vdc coil with 120 load

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Gotta pull the line level down at on/off if I take that route.

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:28 PM

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@last dirge no by a 12v trigger

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:28 PM

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@tidal bronze you don't like amp turn on noise?

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🙂

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KATHUMP

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Then again cheaper than buying a new amp. 😜

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:31 PM

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there's a lot of room in-between those two numbers

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Lol. Excited to try these out. https://www.snapav.com/shop/en/snapav/episode-reg%3B-landscape-series-burial-subwoofer-with-12-woofer-(each)

Episode® Landscape Series Burial Subwoofer

Landscape Burial Subwoofer

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:34 PM

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show off

last dirge Jun 22, 2020, 5:34 PM

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neither can bees

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Free is always good. 😆

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:34 PM

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all i want is my tractor ....cant get free thou

tidal bronze Jun 22, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Gotta have friends 😜

dull chasm Jun 22, 2020, 5:35 PM

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i do but they dont have 30k