the-water-cooler

[fathom sparrow]

oh i have no idea. I'll let you know when I go trhough it, i was just being an ass

[shy comet]

looks like apple and google are rolling out the covid tracing stuff today

[fathom sparrow]

what's it gonna trace?

[shy comet]

who you infected or who infected you etc...

[fathom sparrow]

oh that's cool. That's going to lay a lot of guilt around

[shy comet]

https://blog.google/inside-google/company-announcements/apple-google-exposure-notification-api-launches/amp/

[scenic radish]

I GOT IT

someone was able to help me on the ubiquiti discord. i was thinking of things wrong

[wet pilot]

what was it? (out of curiosity)

[scenic radish]

so i was thinking destination was destination on the LAN

but it's where the WAN request is going to

so, basically, i'm dum

[wet pilot]

ah lol

[scenic radish]

like... i was thinking the router would accept WAN requests and send them to the destination

basically i was thinking NGINX...

i hate myself

[unreal orbit]

So you're not going to return it?

[scenic radish]

guess not!

we'll see after setting up the AP lol

[clear ferry]

🤢

[scenic radish]

[clear ferry]

Hope the package to you gets there before the hamster starts deteriorating

[tidal bronze]

i hate myself
@scenic radish 🤣

[clear ferry]

@tidal bronze I got it working perfectly with the white strip

By upping the PSU voltage to 5.5v, inserting the 3.3v from the nodemcu to the strip on one end, and 5v from the PSU on the other end

And I'm like wtf

[tidal bronze]

@scenic radish I guess you are getting used to ER in and out concept lmao.

@clear ferry not normal but as long as you got it working. It has always been plug and play for me as long as I can remember. Even from mclighting days.

[clear ferry]

Yeah, it was with the black 2812, not with the white 2812, not with the string 2811 or the Christmas 2811

[tidal bronze]

Never did I use level shifters or any of that hoopla

[scenic radish]

@tidal bronze yeah i have basic networking knowledge but i haven't really dealt with firewalls, at least not directly

[clear ferry]

I've worked with networking for over 20 years, I still suck at L3 and above

But I grasp most of it

[tidal bronze]

@scenic radish I hear you. ER direction of dara travel or rather how they interpret it makes even more confusing 😆

[scenic radish]

yeah, like wtf man

SOURCE and DESTINATION makes it sound like WAN and LAN

installing unifi controller in docker right now 🎉

[clear ferry]

It helps to draw stuff

[wet quail]

hey, networking talk. anyone know of a good explainer for how to host ipv6 services at home?

[wild grove]

wait for v8

ip emoji

[wet quail]

without NAT and static IPs the concepts kinda break my brain

[wild grove]

your isp will give you a prefix delegation

aka subnet

[amber bramble]

ipv6 is pretty terrible from a "remembering an ip address" standpoint

[wild grove]

probably a /64

[wet quail]

i have ipv6 working fine for clients

but if i wanted to set up a webserver with a public DNS, that's escaping me

[wild grove]

you'll route the public address through to whatever is on your network behind a firewall

[wet quail]

and how do i keep that address stable?

with prefix delegation and self-assigning

i was asking if anyone knew of a good guide, not trying to get a lesson here 🙂

[wild grove]

ah, nope dont know of one

but how your host gest its address is up to you, dhcpv6, static, slaac, or static

and neighbor discovery will handle it from there to your router

forget about arp and broacasts, etc

yay multicast

[wet quail]

that's all icmpv6 now?

[wild grove]

thats part of it

[digital cradle]

Hi All, just joined discord.. Have been using HA for few months and want to thank all the devs for the awesome work and a wonderful piece of software.. I am a former programmer myself, although not professionally Python developer, I have good understanding of it; I have a few ideas for implementation, and I would like to contribute to the ever growing code base, are there any guides on how to setup the dev box, create a branch and dev, test and create pull requests? I would like to start small to get the hand of it.. Thanks in advance..

[wet pilot]

@digital cradle the dev docs are here: https://developers.home-assistant.io/
If you have development type questions, the devs hang out in the various #developers channels down below

Welcome!

[clear ferry]

@amber bramble thank goodness DNS is mandatory and part of the ipv6 stack then

[rare condor]

So HASS has its own following in China where its sold at markets in Shenzhen and is used my numerous Chinese users. Sold on SBCs (not raspi). Has its own Chinese forum (https://bbs.hassbian.com/thread-8414-1-1.html) and Chinese specific plugins. I didn't realise until I spotted it controlling LEDs in a photo from my last visit and I got curious

[wild grove]

i am completely shocked!

hope they werent wet markets

[low harness]

Good enough @unreal orbit ?

[unreal orbit]

Beautiful!

[low harness]

Honestly probably the best I’ve ever done in softwood. And that was all freehand. Those new saws are a dream!

Should have sharpened my chissel, though...

[rare condor]

huh, HASS was used for a food processing machine.

I wonder what other stuff has been using it

[steep moon]

Hi all! My binary_sensor.updater is not working as expected.. Release 0.110.0 is now available but sensor state is 'off' and showing the newest version as 109.6... any ideas on how to make it refresh more frequently?

[ripe radish]

What happens to the “general” channel here?

[low harness]

It was split into others. If you have trouble finding the right place to discuss a topic, people in here can help you.

[green inlet]

Very nice thomasloven

[forest edge]

could you image if this server only had one text channel lol

[wet pilot]

Lol that would be worse than our current channel layout

[forest edge]

lol

[ocean mirage]

this is the only channel for regular chat right?

[green inlet]

Not much regular happens here

[ocean mirage]

true

just I have every other channel muted

[green inlet]

Why?

[ocean mirage]

I have nothing to offer them, I suppose

I had the whole server muted for a bit but I got pinged and sucked back in

[green inlet]

Ha, I learn more than I help sometimes, just by reading what people are doing

[ocean mirage]

Yeah I can appreciate that but I have so many discord servers I don't have time to read everywhere

[wild grove]

Im always floating between channels to pick up on what people are doing . every once and a while i may have something to contribute

beta is always fun during that cycle

[ocean mirage]

I barely use HA really atm

I use the app more for getting information than actually automating things lol

[wild grove]

quite a lot of new things these past few releases, come on back, the water is nice

[ocean mirage]

I am on 107.something

[wild grove]

same

[ocean mirage]

I am gonna automate my humidifier for this coming winter, and then try to get something going for irrigation

[wild grove]

i try to stay N-2

[ocean mirage]

only thing I control right now is temperature

[scenic radish]

📎

[wild grove]

those are the things i leave to their onboard sensors. not sure what value i could provide above and beyond.

[scenic radish]

ok so the edgerouter x is pretty cool

[wild grove]

hey good to hear!

[scenic radish]

i have everything set up now including my guest network with no access to things on the trusted LAN

[wild grove]

all this router talk got me in the mood to move my pfsense to a less ancient machine

very nice

[scenic radish]

i like that you can ssh to the router

[ocean mirage]

I have an edgerouter

barely use any of its functionality lol

[green inlet]

But you have to use vi

[scenic radish]

same tbh, but i wanted an upgrade from my google wifi

[wild grove]

im noticing a pattern

[forest edge]

lol edgerouter

[wild grove]

whats wrong with vi?

[green inlet]

Just got into Linux within the last couple years....so nano

Just what I learned

Lmao

[wild grove]

there's a vi extension for vs code

in case you reaaaaaaallyyyy love it

[wet pilot]

Heh

I don't love it but I do prefer it over nano

[ocean mirage]

silly people

[green inlet]

Nano is so.....user friendly. When I use vi I spend more time googling what the codes are

[ocean mirage]

windows ships with a perfectly fine text editor

[fathom sparrow]

you get it fixed @scenic radish

[wild grove]

edlin?

[forest edge]

windows ships with a perfectly fine text editor
@ocean mirage hey I grew up using that to make webpages haha

[wet pilot]

I definitely made a mistake in my dual wan setup. My irc client is very angry with me

[ocean mirage]

oh lord lol

[wild grove]

irc? what year is it!

/slap phnx

[ocean mirage]

I sort of still use irc sometimes

there are things you cannot do on discord, according to the TOS and guidelines

[wild grove]

it was such a good medium we've been trying to replace it ever since

i swear group chat was a solve problem but every other year we have a whole new breed

[forest edge]

lol irc

[ocean mirage]

I don't much like irc anymore but say, if you have a community built around piracy, for example, its probably best to not have that on discord

[forest edge]

was always fun to mute people in irc

[wild grove]

la-la-la-la

keep that on efnet

[scenic radish]

@fathom sparrow i did! you're not gonna believe this either. it turns out...

🥁

i was a dumbass

[fathom sparrow]

I mean, it's a given. What were you doin?

[scenic radish]

lol. i misunderstood source and destination

i was thinking like it was NGINX

[fathom sparrow]

ah

oh well, thats just a teachable moment

[scenic radish]

yeah for sure

i was able to set up my guest network LAN restrictions without too much googling

getting to know the firewall better

can't wait to accidentally open something up that i didn't want to

[fathom sparrow]

yah that stuff is on my list. There's a series of videos I plan on watching

just describing what that stuff means

[scenic radish]

might also set up an IoT VLAN, but i'll need to do some digging first

[fathom sparrow]

that's not too bad. You'll end up having to redo a bunch of your HA stuff though if you were using static pis

ips*

[scenic radish]

yeah, i use the cloud9 IDE which has global find/replace

shouldn't be too bad

i'll have to set up mDNS reflection too

[fathom sparrow]

what's that do

[scenic radish]

allows mDNS to work across subnets

discovery relies on mDNS, and even if you set static IPs for google home devices for home assistant you still need mDNS for the integration to work

(as i've read recently)

[wet pilot]

Eh, you can get it to work via IP but you lose the groups

[worldly widget]

Anyone here try out OpenHAB and HomeSeer?

[fathom sparrow]

I would never try homeseer

from what I understand, it's currently a shit show

bascially the same amount of devs as HA but the price tag is in the hundreds just for the software. No thanks.

[unreal orbit]

OpenHab is pretty limited from what I've heard, but I've never actually tried it

[worldly widget]

I have no issue paying if it actually works

The amount of time I've sank this week into HA has cost me way more than a couple hundred. Crap even Nexia wasn't this terrible

[humble pond]

🔥

[worldly widget]

to be fair, my issues all revolve around Z-wave, so...HA could be just fine, and maybe the issue is with OZW, but I've used OZW before in custom settings and it wasn't all crazy

[fathom sparrow]

Word of advice. Avoid small zwave companies

[worldly widget]

For example, I started fresh, totally new HA install, and some formerly enrolled z-wave devices just showed up when I turned on the z-wave integration. Ok fine, so most of the switches worked. Then I tried to add something, no go...I try and remove a node, no go

[unreal orbit]

Another word of advice: switch your zwave integration to decouple with HA

[worldly widget]

so right now, it's pretty cool, I've removed two GE switches, so now HA can't do anything with any z-wave device, even though before trying to remove two nodes it could

[fathom sparrow]

nexia has never delivered on a single product for me. I've returned them all.

[worldly widget]

I mean at least it could enroll and remove and turn stuff on and off lol

it was a POS but crap

The biggest thing I wanted out of this that SmartThings didn't give me was local push

of course the other big issue right now is so many people are buying the SmartThings hub it's impossible to find, and I have 4 sites that need something to replace Wink

[dull chasm]

@worldly widget I am buying a 35k tractor and its going to be turn key cause i dont want to rebuild one ....but on the other hand i building a 600 hp 351 clevland engine but i know every bolt and gasket and spec and how i know exactly how it works and limitations. Ha is a build yourself and learn what is going on... if your not ready for that then there are other options

[worldly widget]

For sure, I get that comparison, but when very basic things don't work, it's beyond just "ready for that"

[fathom sparrow]

I've never had an issue with zwave. Have you consulted anyone on the issues your having?

[worldly widget]

I have a dozen PI's running and own an MSP, I manage dozens of servers...so this isn't my first rodeo doing stuff in the tech world

[green inlet]

But there are tons of people who have very successful zwave mesh networks working

[dull chasm]

i been here since version .19 ...sometimes the road is bumpy but saying it dont work is NOT FAIR

[worldly widget]

agreed, so I don't know what gives .I keep changing pieces of the pie to figure out what is really wrong

well so far for me, I'd give the z-wave portion of HA a 0 out of 10 for usability. It could be that my z-stick is FUBAR :/

I'm trying on a whole new z-stick, whole new Pi, totally fresh HA instance, and a new Honeywell z-wave plus switch

[green inlet]

Are you using zwave plus devices?

[worldly widget]

yeah

[green inlet]

Now

[wet pilot]

The Honeywell and the ge are basically the same thing

[worldly widget]

I figured they were both Jasco

[wet pilot]

Yup

[green inlet]

A lot of my zwave problems went out the window when I cleared up old nodes and added a usb extension

Also doing a network heal once everything is in its proper place

[worldly widget]

yeah maybe the best thing is to set it all up in OZWCP and then import into HA

[dull chasm]

i think #zwave-archived would be a better place for this conv

[fathom sparrow]

just add one node at a time. You should also verify that the jasco devices aren't dead. I've had 3 in ~35 switches/dimmers from jasco die at the 3 year mark

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

NO HOME ASSISTANT SUPPORT HERE (look at the other channels for that). NO POLITICS OR RELIGION!
BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Vasiley

[worldly widget]

Agreed, my original question was the comparison with HomeSeer and OpenHAB

wasn't trying to start an argument was just a legit question of people's thoughts on the comparisons

[dull chasm]

well lets go to the chevy dealer and ask about ford 🤣

[worldly widget]

you can do that

it's like saying no one should walk into Apple and ask about how macOS compares with Windows, seems legit to me

[green inlet]

If you are tech savvy, it is my belief that the granularity you will get out oh HAss will be worth the work

But it doesn’t happen overnight

[dull chasm]

and get a honest opinion ...right

[worldly widget]

@green inlet Perfect, that's the type of response I was looking for

[dull chasm]

@green inlet suck up 🤣

[green inlet]

Plus, I have never met people more willing to help than the HAss community.

[worldly widget]

lol that's the main reason I'm here, because going through Reddit this seemed like the most active community

[fathom sparrow]

you can get the same granularity from homeseer... but the software is $300 and each add on is $40. So lets say you wanted alexa with zwave. $380

not including the hardware

[green inlet]

Vasiley doesn’t know it but he is going to rebuild a corvette for me 🤣

[dull chasm]

nope no chevys for me

[amber bramble]

HA still has way more integrations than homeseer too

[fathom sparrow]

yes, and even though you pay for homeseer, it's still not guaranteed to work.. just like HA.

[green inlet]

@worldly widget , I bought a pi about 3-4 years ago cause I someone talking about them on Facebook. Thought it would be a good hobby. Did not know a lick of linux.

[fathom sparrow]

Only difference from home seer is that they've been doing this before competition. Which allowed them to have this price point.

[worldly widget]

you can get the same granularity from homeseer... but the software is $300 and each add on is $40. So lets say you wanted alexa with zwave. $380
@fathom sparrow Dang, the add on part stinks

[fathom sparrow]

and EVERYTHING is an addon

and the addons aren't even official, they are made by random people

I have no clue how they stay in business

[green inlet]

Cause people believe if you pay a big price tag, it must be good

Oh no....here goes the neighborhood. Ska is here

[last plaza]

How many integrations that an average user uses in HA? It doesn’t matter how many it supports, I hardly use maybe 15 different integrations out of hundreds.

[wild grove]

would make me think twice out sending alerts to my printer via ipp

[last plaza]

Sending alerts to your printer?

[wild grove]

dumb joke about using the ipp integration as a notify target

for when its low on ink...

[last plaza]

Not sure when was the last time I used a printer at home. Kids print a bunch of stuff for fun, that’s pretty much it.

[green inlet]

I am mixed. Every once in a while a new integration comes out that interests me. Most of the time I am just checking breaking changes. I wish there was a cycle like the release cycle though. Like one update is nothing but fixing broken stuff and concentrating on integrating custom comports and then the next is new stuff.

[last plaza]

Time to upgrade my HA. Every time I upgrade HA, I comment out more stuff and keep trimming my setup.

[fathom sparrow]

yep

that's what I do

[last plaza]

Most of the new integrations are Europe based integrations... I wish we can filter them by country based integrations.

[wild grove]

@green inlet i was thinking that the other day, odds could be break/fix/stabiility, evens could be new features

[last plaza]

After using HA for 4+ years, I realized the most used components at home are Camera, door and home security notifications along with weather. Everything else is secondary.

[green inlet]

Yea...I am not knowledgeable enough to do anything but update and play with my own setup. Help here and there. So, I take what they give me 🤣

[last plaza]

Never upgrade your production to .0 versions. I usually upgrade when the next version is about to be released where the version is something like 0.xxx.6 or something.

[green inlet]

I always update on .0

[last plaza]

I thank people like you @green inlet for trying out and reporting bugs 😂

[green inlet]

Like a band-aid......just get it over quick and quit messing around

I have had very few problems since the started the current release cycle. All the beta guys are doing the heavy lifts

[last plaza]

We have a covid integration on HA - what’s missing is the unemployment sensor/counter. That seem to be the biggest issue now!

Not that these sensors help with solving any of the problems, but only for awareness!

[fathom sparrow]

just create a template sensor that outputs 'alot'

[last plaza]

Yes, funny but sad at the same time!

[forest edge]

one sensor to rule them all!

the eye of yaml

[last plaza]

New tosh.o episode is out, funny as hell as usual.

[fathom sparrow]

I stopped watching comedy central because it's not offered on any streaming service

[last plaza]

They are all in YouTube these days.

[fathom sparrow]

with how many ads?

[last plaza]

None. I hardly get any ads. If I do, just one in the beginning.

[ocean mirage]

holy shit tosh is still about? thats not a name I have heard in like 10 years

[last plaza]

Yes, he still does web redemptions 😆

@forest edge dude, I’m still waiting for the helmet and fly shield! It is sitting in NY and IL since April 15!

[forest edge]

slow going through the covid blockade

hell some states require people to self isolate for 2 weeks if they had come from any of those "hot" states

cogneato dosen't post in here enough, I have to go into #330944238910963714 to see how he's doing lol

[last plaza]

Yeah, not ordering any more until I get my old orders delivered

[forest edge]

guy works too hard at helping others lol

well just don't order anything that has to come through the northeast hehe

[last plaza]

Doesn’t he get paid for it? 🤣

[forest edge]

well don't we all? isn't helping others it's own reward? insert-corny-emoji-face-here

I swear half the nakeds I chase with a spear in this game this time at night are from the UK

[last dirge]

Rust?

I haven't played in a few months

[tidal bronze]

@last dirge

[last dirge]

sprinkler calibration?

[tidal bronze]

Catch cups going to calibrate 😆

Yep

[last dirge]

lol

you can use pretty much any can

[tidal bronze]

This makes easier.

[last dirge]

I got a landscaping redefiner blade I'm going to try to adapt to my stick edger this weekend

woohoo for saving $400

[tidal bronze]

Any progress on converting the mower ?

[last dirge]

that's on hold until I don't have to mow every 2 days

[tidal bronze]

Lol

[last dirge]

I should probably buy those pouches though

[tidal bronze]

Guys are mowing tomorrow after 3 week skip. Reseeding done.

[last dirge]

creeping turf FTW

[tidal bronze]

I know. Going to see water consumption on rotors this summer if not creeper it is.

[last dirge]

gotta mow a hell of a lot more often

but it looks great

my neighbor pays TruGreen some obsurd amount

I bought a bag of urea for $40 2 years ago and I've still got some left

my yard looks twice as good as his 🙂

[tidal bronze]

Lol 👍

[last dirge]

it's finally to the point where it's holding stripes between mows

[scenic radish]

I wonder if I'm causing all kinds of interference for my neighbors by transmitting at 23 dBm

[brisk glen]

@scenic radish on what?

I make a lot of noise on wifi and I have DFS channel 100 all to my self

[scenic radish]

2.4 and 5 GHz

Figured I might as well turn that bitch all the way up

[brisk glen]

how big is your house?

wood?

[scenic radish]

1000 sq ft

I could probably knock it down to 18 dBm

[brisk glen]

you can probably tune 2.4 to 18

5ghz? you need it high

[scenic radish]

My Zigbee networks might appreciate that

Yeah 5 for sure

[brisk glen]

18 dBm for 2.4 is a good match for a dual band network with one ESSID

with 5 on high

devices should roam off of 2.4 to 5 naturaly

and 2.4 should still cover the house

[scenic radish]

Tbh I'm getting a great signal with 5 everywhere

[brisk glen]

thats good, then tune down 2.4 to help push your devices to 5

[scenic radish]

Yeah I knocked 2.4 down to 15

[brisk glen]

I have my 2.4 at 8 between my 2 APs

I also have a mesh network going on tho 😛

[scenic radish]

Apparently my WiFi Experience ™️ is 84%

Whatever that means

[brisk glen]

what device do you have?

[scenic radish]

AP AC lite

[brisk glen]

ah

probably reasons

a client might have a weaker signal

[scenic radish]

Yeah a lifx bulb on my balcony

[brisk glen]

still good enough without spending more $$

[scenic radish]

The signal is going through brick and CMU

Oh and it's in a fixture with a metal body lol

[brisk glen]

lol

there is a new wifi 6 light AP in beta that will replace your AP

[scenic radish]

Ooo neato

[brisk glen]

$99 UniFi 6 Lite is a 2x2 Wi-Fi 6 access point that delivers up to 1.5 Gbps aggregate radio rate with 5 GHz (MU-MIMO and OFDMA) and 2.4 GHz (MIMO) radios. Mount UniFi 6 Lite horizontally in the ceiling to cover a high-density environment, or mount it vertically on the wall to extend its range. UniFi 6 Lite has a compact and nano-sized design, so it can use nanoHD covers and mounting accessories.

but lets be real with bandwith... 5 GHz band 2x2 MU-MIMO and OFDMA with radio rate of 1.2 Gbps

should make a decent AP for its price

[scenic radish]

Yeah that sounds pretty good

[shy comet]

i was tempted to pick that up this morning when it was in stock

[brisk glen]

I wasn't... i ma sucker for the HDs...

when the HD versions for wifi 6 come out... ill be soo tempted

[shy comet]

its coming soon i bet

[brisk glen]

possibly with wifi 6e

I really need to replace my router

udm or UDM pro 😒

[modest valve]

HomeKit Cameras pogggg

[brisk glen]

@modest valve small issue with them tho

[fading zodiac]

Morning folks

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

@clear ferry game i'm playing now called Rust is mostly about nakeds running around with a rock trying to kill each other for what little scraps they might get. May remind you of your days before internet. lol

[fading zodiac]

This sounds like pubg @forest edge

[light trout]

it's kinda like it, pubg took a lot from rust

[forest edge]

pubg is a battle royal, this is more of a minecraft type survivval

[ocean mirage]

Oh man its been years since I played rust

I understand its changed a lot

[light trout]

Sounds like it, when I played it, we just ran around killing folks with stuff we found.
Was near impossible to find your team

[ocean mirage]

yeah I last played in 2014 and it was wild

[forest edge]

wow

yea tons and tons havve changed lol

[clear ferry]

Never heard of it

I miss playing Postal though

[forest edge]

Never heard of it
@clear ferry it's right up your ally. https://i.gifer.com/78jI.gif

[ocean mirage]

I never played the first postal

[clear ferry]

They are all fun

[forest edge]

postal was good

[clear ferry]

Redneck rampage too

[ocean mirage]

I played the sequel

its just like real life

[clear ferry]

Or is it fantasy?

Caught in some landslide

[forest edge]

"Caught in a landslide" 🙄

[clear ferry]

Sure, but we are not doing the correct lyrics you b00b

[steep moon]

Hi All! 👋 I'm after recommendations on database for HA. Are you guys using the standard SQLite or have you moved to MariaDB / MySQL?

[clear ferry]

Mariadb is better in all aspects

Noone should stay in sqlite except for testing

[steep moon]

That's what I thought.. but my knowledge of database engines is quite limited.. thanks

Looking at History and Logbook with SQLite is just a pain

[clear ferry]

And influxdb for trend data and longtime history

[steep moon]

Yes I was going to install influxdb as well..

So how do I switch to MariaDB? Is it an add-on right?

[clear ferry]

If you run #330944238910963714 that is the easiest way, we others run it in docker, jails, dedicated database hosts etc

[hushed basalt]

My friends and I played Dayz once

We spent hours trying to find each other

One friend got killed by a random,. Respawned, killed the guy who killed him then took back his stuff and walked to me for 30 minutes

Then I accidently killed him with bleach

[forest edge]

lol

atleast in rust you get a map with cords and once you do find friends you can add them to a team and then see thier dots on the map

[hushed basalt]

Yeah dayz is like

"I'm at ... Something russian"

Fun fact. Half life 2 is set in Russia

[forest edge]

lol dayz is set in russia

russia makes a good back drop for after end of world stuff

[dusk lodge]

Asking back here as usual, because PC building subs don't seem to know : Does 12V RGB need a separate controller and power supply?

(when plugged in a motherboard's 12V RGB headers)

[clever mortar]

Separate controller and power supply from ... what?

[dusk lodge]

Some online sources seem to indicate the 12V RGB header sends data, power is taken from Molex (which is 5V though...?), and you plug a controller in half way but why do you need a controller if the header sends data...

[clever mortar]

Molex is typically 5V (red) and 12V (yellow)

[dusk lodge]

I see

[clever mortar]

Three seconds on Google would tell you that 😛

[dusk lodge]

So would I be getting data sent through the RGB header, power from Molex and then just no controller?

[clever mortar]

🤷

[dusk lodge]

I struggle to understand why you would need one, isn't the RGB header providing the data? 🤔

[clever mortar]

Power from Molex, yes. Data... I have no idea, I've never seen the point of putting lighting inside a computer.

[dusk lodge]

ooh dear

PC building communities would scream sacrilege to that

[clever mortar]

Which is why I don't waste my time with them 😉

[dusk lodge]

The second most important thing to most people after performance is aesthetics

[clever mortar]

Silence

[dusk lodge]

And what better aesthetics than flashy lights? Same reason smart bulbs exist tbh

[clever mortar]

That scene has been around forever. It was a thing 20 years ago too, it will be in another 20.

[dusk lodge]

I need ridiculously cheap smart bulbs on that topic, but something acceptably bright

[clever mortar]

It's just a very niche scene, for those that like bling

[dusk lodge]

806lm just doesn't cut it to illuminate a room

i myself have a 1,100lm LIFX A60, but I really can't afford £55/bulb so I'm just trying to find white-only dimmables for next to nothing on AliExpress

[clever mortar]

Multiple bulbs, not one single bulb

[dusk lodge]

Some of them seem to indicate 1,350lm+ but I'm really not sure how much I want to trust the statistics on AliExpress

hmm?

[clever mortar]

You can get 4 x 800 lumen Osram smart bulbs for £50 on Amazon

[dusk lodge]

Yeah but you still can't illuminate a whole room with a single 800lm

[clever mortar]

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B077X667M4/ actually, £35

Sure, but don't use one bulb, use a few around the room

It looks better too

[dusk lodge]

We only have one socket in each room though...?

Except the living room which has two sockets

[clever mortar]

So use lamps around the room, honestly, multiple dimmer light sources look and feel much nicer than one central really bright thing

[dusk lodge]

Hmm

I guess

I have a spare, very large lamp

But ironically it's E14 🤔

[clever mortar]

Our main living space is about 5m square, it's typically lit by four bulbs that average around 350 lumen each.

Sure, if we want more light, we can turn on more, but that's enough

[dusk lodge]

Ours is 1,600lm + 1,600lm

and then two ambients on the wall that have a separate switch for about 400-600lm (never checked)

I've just found out AliExpress have a very interesting way of advertising smart lights

They say a bulb is 15W RGBWW

[clever mortar]

Warm White, not tunable

[dusk lodge]

But in fact, it's 15W/1350lm WW + 5W/400lm RGB

They use 2 separate LEDs for the RGB and the white 🤔

[clever mortar]

That's normal

[dusk lodge]

oh opposite of what i said

[clever mortar]

You really want CCT though, for warm to cold whites

[dusk lodge]

Budget is pretty low but I'll see

I only had money to splurge for a high-tier bulb for myself (the A60), the rest is for the rest of the house i.e. my mum

So convincing of buying smart bulbs largely depends on price lol

(((hence why i'm looking on ax)))

Unfortunately those Osram lights are also E27 and ZigBee

Need Wi-Fi and B22, I have B22 adapters but any time I've tried to use one it creates a buzzing noise

I know CC2531 is a solution but it's more effort than it's worth here

[orchid rose]

Be wary of wifi if you plan on adding lots of lights. Some routers will start struggling after you connect multiple devices to the network

you can get preflashed CC2531

[clever mortar]

#zigbee-archived is a good solution

[dusk lodge]

around 9-10 lamps max

[clever mortar]

https://zigbee2mqtt.discourse.group/t/ad-buy-ready2use-zigbee2mqtt-stick-flashed-antenna-mod-and-printed-case/22

[orchid rose]

There also were offerings on ebay last time I checked with very competitive price but without the antenna and case

[dusk lodge]

Living 1, Living 2, (ambients are staying normal), corridor, kitchen, garden, upper corridor, wardrobe, bedroom, other bedroom, other bedroom side lighting

iirc routers only complain once you build a pretty large network

[clever mortar]

https://www.tindie.com/products/electrolama/zzh-cc2652r-multiprotocol-rf-stick/ would be my recommendation for anybody being serious

[dusk lodge]

Ideally I'd need an antenna

I doubt a 2531 would even be able to reach across the entire house when the router can't

[quartz ether]

4000/4000 “hyper fibre” plans are now available in some parts of NZ... I’m going to need a bigger server

[dusk lodge]

meanwhile i am on 100/20

and we pay the same

love briten

[clever mortar]

For Zigbee you need routers

[orchid rose]

Personally I went with milights and haven't had many issues with them using a DIY controller. That could be an option worth looking at as well.

[clever mortar]

Anybody trying to build a mesh without routers clearly hasn't taken the time to learn about Zigbee

[dusk lodge]

I can spend roughly £8 max per bulb or she'll ask what the fuck is the point of this

How's Sengled?

[clever mortar]

I have currently no smart bulbs

Because those are connected to wall switches, which are the things that should be smart

[dusk lodge]

Yes but can they go red

Hmm

Is HomeKit the same concept as Wi-Fi smart ?

[clever mortar]

No

[dusk lodge]

And another noob question, why when googling "Alexa smart blinds" do I get quotes for like... £1,400+...?

If normal electric blinds are around £130 would it not be a matter of adding a wi-fi controller...?

[wet pilot]

you could definitely #diy-archived it

[clever mortar]

Or #zigbee-archived or #zwave-archived

[dusk lodge]

I guess I will have to eventually be forced to convert to ZigBee

[forest edge]

using led strip to hold a mold together?

[scenic radish]

oh no, my locally-controlled IoT devices that have no right communicating outside my network can't phone home. poor things 😢

[orchid rose]

But how will NSA/Google/Apple/Chyna now know what you're up to?

[scenic radish]

C H Y N A

[clear ferry]

@forest edge cloud lamp!

Just with wled + ha + esp + wwln instead of Arduino + ir + microphone

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/build-cloud-lamp-sound-reactive-lightning/

[scenic radish]

oooooooooo

[clear ferry]

Then I'll reach full HA circle

[forest edge]

oh no, my locally-controlled IoT devices that have no right communicating outside my network can't phone home. poor things 😢
@scenic radish oh they can, they just do it now without you seeing

[clear ferry]

Fallback to ipv2

[forest edge]

@forest edge cloud lamp!
@clear ferry wanting to do this huh? https://blog.arduino.cc/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Untitled1.gif

[clear ferry]

[last dirge]

TIL the CEO of Patreon plays keyboards in Pomplamoose

[brisk glen]

@forest edge then they are not IoT...

they are NoT

[forest edge]

Naughty of Things?

@clear ferry build this next lol https://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/rocket_lamp_1.jpg

[scenic radish]

That's pretty cool

[last plaza]

Ohio businesses are back up and running... including public pools, and everything!

[forest edge]

pools?

wtf

[last plaza]

yup

[forest edge]

covid party in ohio!

[last plaza]

we don't have beaches nearby - people go crazy with the pools during summer

[forest edge]

they are opening things up here slowly but public pools was specifically mentioned to be the last thing to evver open up if at all for this year lol

people here honestly think if people start dying they will reclose everything back down. no chance in hell that would happen lol

ugh my litter robot has two sensors one that detects if a cat is in the thing and another which is just abeam sensor to detect when the pan is full and one is 6 bucks and the other is 100 bucks and guess which one cost what and which one seems to have broke?

[scenic radish]

yes

[forest edge]

half tempted to automate a static interval manual cleaning instruction through HA lol

[unreal orbit]

I would

Just make sure you have a condition that the cat is out 😉

What litter box is this?

[forest edge]

litterrobot3

not sure it can cycle when it's marked as full, dunno if it allows a manual cycle or not

[unreal orbit]

Could always go the #diy-archived route and hack it a bit

Does it work well when it is functional?

Jesus that thing looks intense. I think I'd have a hard time convincing my cat he's not about to step into a space ship

[forest edge]

it's awesome. had it over a year

just wasn't expecting the most expensive replaceable part to break this quickly

[unreal orbit]

Yeah that's a bummer. Not under warranty?

[forest edge]

think it only has a year warranty

[unreal orbit]

The store page says 18 month, might be worth checking

[forest edge]

yea. not 100% sure when we bought it, i'll have to ask the one who does all the spending in this house lmao

[chrome dagger]

Anyone have a traeger grill with WiFi? I’ve been working on reverse engineering their app to integrate it with home assistant

And manage to be able to send post requests via insomnia which is similar to postman

[scenic radish]

that reminds me, anyone have a spare traeger grill with wifi? i'll take it off your hands for free

[chrome dagger]

So I can control the grill however the authorization token is a bit difficult. I tried making a binary sensor with the REST integration but it didn’t work

Lol hey it’s an expensive grill but it’s a good investment

[scenic radish]

yeah i'm jk lol. interesting, so you are able to control it through unofficial means?

[chrome dagger]

Just seeing if anyone here is in my same place and interested in working on an integration together.

Yea I am

But via insomnia

[scenic radish]

ah

[chrome dagger]

Not via curl or binary_sensor in rest.

Trying to figure out why that is the case

[scenic radish]

makes sense

wish i could help, would be fun to assist with something like that

[chrome dagger]

I went super hardcore and went into the AWS documentation as they use an AWS endpoint that I identified via Charles a proxy app similar to wireshark

[scenic radish]

ah nice

once you figure out cloud control, next step is local control 😛

[clear ferry]

@last plaza not even Norway has opened pools yet

[chrome dagger]

once you figure out cloud control, next step is local control 😛
@scenic radish lol sure will be

Trying to at least get a hacked version working.

[scenic radish]

Yeah for sure

Best of luck! Would be a good idea to make a forum post about this too. It'll just get buried here

[chrome dagger]

How do I do that?

[scenic radish]

https://community.home-assistant.io/

[chrome dagger]

I am in need of help and I think it can be done but I could be wrong but would be nice to see if other can help. I mean heck if they need to control my grill remotely it’s fine. Lol

To test I mean lol

Ah ok that fórum. Yea! I’ll do that!

[scenic radish]

Just make sure to open port 47455 for remote access

[chrome dagger]

Well it’s cloud endpoint so no need from my side. Lol

[scenic radish]

Nah I was just making a joke. 47455 is GRILL on a phone keypad lol

[clear ferry]

[chrome dagger]

Lol maybe I need coffee it just passed me lol

[scenic radish]

Ehh it was obscure

[chrome dagger]

But hey that’s a good way to assign ports. If I ever make a local app for the traeger or any grill.

Lol

[scenic radish]

Nah, gotta use a reverse proxy boi

Then you only need to open one port even with multiple services

[chrome dagger]

Well didn’t mean externally. Meant internal

[scenic radish]

Ah right

Yes

doit

if i set up monitor on my pi 3B+ and only use it for that, do i win the award for "most overkill use ever"?

[forest edge]

lol grill. automation: if burned meat, stop cooking

need to find an api for Tediore. {{ if making Grand Sauce return cancel }

[scenic radish]

lol

i believe you mean Grand Sauce ™️

[forest edge]

ugh friend went into rust, tired as hell and about to log into a game where every other player is a 12 year old that screams REEE

[scenic radish]

lmao

[cosmic lily]

REEE?

Is that really a thing?

[chrome dagger]

It’s probably a battle cry for 12yrd olds

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/PO4FJQ-J4C0

turn down speakers lol

[chrome dagger]

What the hell did I just watch

[forest edge]

lmao

[scenic radish]

@forest edge has been banned

[forest edge]

whoa mod abuse!

[scenic radish]

lol

[forest edge]

reeeeee

anyways be back after losing my hearing

[chrome dagger]

WHAT? WHAT did you say?! I CANT HEAR YOU

[limber fable]

Gotta love some good ol' Rust.

[shy comet]

wow the forum post for tis release has lots of replies

[scenic radish]

And lots of complaints...

[fathom sparrow]

all complaints about the frontend. One small icon change and the whole world burns

one would think "hey maybe I should see if there's an update to my custom lovelace card"

[forest edge]

people like their grits the same way now as they always have

[shy comet]

its always the same every releaes with custom cards/components

[unreal orbit]

It is a little concerning when your frontend looks like complete trash after an update, I understand the knee-jerk panic

[shy comet]

the frontend should probably handle custom cards better....if they break notify the user and disable it

but some of them like custom header cant really do that

it should be a noted risk to users who wish to use things like that

Warning your UI may look like shit after an update, check for updates at the repo 😛

[forest edge]

all fairness if they are using anything with "custom" attached to it, they are on thier own

[shy comet]

yea i agree

[forest edge]

I know i would be boned if i had updated yesterday lol

[shy comet]

i never update on day 1 unless the community thread has like 20 replies

[fathom sparrow]

No matter what happens, custom things will break when changes occur to the backend/frontend. The devs can only notify so much. I saw the devs reach out to a few custom cards with issues. Maybe if there was a developer announcement page for ui changes or something.

[scenic radish]

Exactly. People seem to forget custom stuff is unsupported

[unreal orbit]

"Good job, thanks for the update"

Sometimes you forget which cards are custom

[clever mortar]

I'm still waiting for the point releases to settle down, or three days to pass with none 😛

[scenic radish]

THANKS FOR BREAKING MY INSTALL

[unreal orbit]

but yes, that should be the first place you look if you're thinking clearly

[scenic radish]

MY WIFE IS FURIOUS

[shy comet]

lmao

[unreal orbit]

The "my wife didn't like this" response is the best

[forest edge]

the speed at which things are changing, makes it hard for them to keep up lol

[unreal orbit]

Wives don't even know which thing to be furious about anymore

[forest edge]

|| now we know why there are so many new greenies, was for this one update alone ||

[green inlet]

If your wife is mad, you are doing it wrong. They should be used to broken 😉

[orchid rose]

I'm glad I read that twice and it didn't say They should be broken

The problems with updates get harder to figure out when you're like me and too lazy to update often. Even when you read through the breaking changes, you miss stuff when it's five massive lists of changes

Still log files should tell you if you've done goofed up so I don't understand some people first complaining and then trying to figure it out

[forest edge]

I don't have the drive to fix a "bunch" of stuff in a short time, I like having it spread apart some

[clever mortar]

This is why I like the venv install. I can upgrade and config check before starting

That catches 99% of the stuff I miss

[shy comet]

eh i scroll through breaking changes, if any impact me i open the docs in a new tab and do the update and go through each open tab and update shit

if its deprecated i fix it after first boot

[unique dome]

having some issues after upgrading to 0.110 where would be the best place to ask?

[clever mortar]

Not here...

[velvet horizon]

Not sure which install you're using? If you have add-ons, or see references to either Hass.io or Supervisor, then you're using #330944238910963714. If you're running natively in Docker or in a venv then you have the #672217570283094017 install method

Command '~which' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[orchid rose]

Depends on the issue, just check the topics on channels

[unique dome]

"not here" lol

[clever mortar]

.topic 😉

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

NO HOME ASSISTANT SUPPORT HERE (look at the other channels for that). NO POLITICS OR RELIGION!
BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[clever mortar]

So, see the relevant channel as per the bot message above

[unreal orbit]

Maybe there should be a #waiting_room for lost people to ask where to post

[forest edge]

that ironically fits the discription of what #the-water-cooler is lol

need to rename this channel. #spaminacan

[clever mortar]

#lost_and_can't_read

[forest edge]

#nohelpzor

[shy comet]

lol

[forest edge]

this up for 20+ hours is for the birds

[clear ferry]

#atxandteddislair

[forest edge]

the idea is to bring people in, not make them run away in horror

[clear ferry]

[shy comet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbsHisq-CH8

That title LOLOL

[green inlet]

@orchid rose , yes, I upgrade first chance I get. No need to get behind on upgrades 😉

[shy comet]

yea i try to update early but i usually wait for a point release or 2...espeically if i see an issue tagged for the next one tht seems i may benefit from it like a frontend dependency bump

[last plaza]

@green inlet lives on the edge!

[orchid rose]

There's a 50% chance that something I've made work with zip ties and luck that will fail at every update

[scenic radish]

The name just won't die

[shy comet]

yea google won't let us use Home Assistant as the name lol

[scenic radish]

Oh right

[verbal coral]

very binary new release today 0.110.1

[scenic radish]

heh

[dusk lodge]

is it possible to have 2 controllers on one set of lights for example?

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

NO HOME ASSISTANT SUPPORT HERE (look at the other channels for that). NO POLITICS OR RELIGION!
BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Villhellm

[scenic radish]

I don't think that's home assistant specific, they were talking about LED strips or something earlier

[clever mortar]

https://giphy.com/gifs/walter--well-yes-but-actually-no-SVgKToBLI6S6DUye1Y

As in, sure you can connect two controllers to one set of lights, but it's unlikely to behave well

[scenic radish]

Yeah that sounds like an interesting experiment

Or a way to obtain some magic smoke

[clever mortar]

If they're digital, I suspect it's more results chaotic, try again later

If they're analogue though...

[orchid rose]

Also... whyyyyy?

[clear ferry]

Chaotic evil

[orchid rose]

@dusk lodge, rather than asking a fairly vague question it's probably better to explain what you're trying to achieve so people will give you ideas on how to do it

[scenic radish]

@orchid rose https://github.com/Tediore/input_boolean-renamed-to-flippy_boi/blob/master/README.md#faq

[orchid rose]

I don't think I'll ever understand true genius

[scenic radish]

That was supposed to go to the FAQ but you get the idea lol

[clear ferry]

Make a pull request damnit @scenic radish

[scenic radish]

Lmao

[dusk lodge]

@orchid rose Well, if you were to have an LED strip in a room

And wanted to be able to control it both with an app and an ir remote?

[clever mortar]

Then you need a controller that supports both

[dusk lodge]

all controllers that I've seen are either IR or Wifi, not both

[clever mortar]

Also, there are non-IR remotes 😉

[clear ferry]

Or a app that sends ir signal, like home assistant with broadlink

Then just use that

[dusk lodge]

I guess so

I didn't consider that

[orchid rose]

Multiple ways to do it as always. That's why I think HA is so great. But you should make it so it all goes through HA if you plan on using it at all, otherwise you'll have issues with sync

[dusk lodge]

how does HomeAssistant compare to openHAB..?

[orchid rose]

I use a milight remote to control all my lights. It sends a command to the diy milight hub, which in turn sends it to HA, which then sends the command to the different lights whether they are wifi, milight or something else.

I can't say for openHAB, I never used it

[clear ferry]

It doesn't have Java, so it wins by 200%

[last dirge]

did someone say java?

[dusk lodge]

They seem to indicate a Pi2B or higher is good

Whereas HAss recommends 3 or higher

[clever mortar]

You're in the HA community, you're gonna get a rather biased perspective 😉

[clear ferry]

I wouldn't even run it on a pi 4

[clever mortar]

Also, HA runs on a Pi Zero

The recommendation on a Pi3 is at least in part because it has better performance, and more capacity

[dusk lodge]

more... capacity?

as in RAM?

[clever mortar]

For growth

If you buy a small car, you're limited by what you can do with it

[orchid rose]

What do you have available to you right now Zoe?

[clever mortar]

Also, frankly, if the cost difference between a 2 and a 3 puts you off, you shouldn't be getting into home automation 😛

[clear ferry]

What do you mean the Peugeot 108 is shit for pulling a caravan?

[dusk lodge]

A Pi2B connected by Ethernet

[orchid rose]

Just try how it works for you then?

[dusk lodge]

@clever mortar it doesn't put me off lol I just already own a Pi

I will I'm just looking at the recommended lists

For now it's stringing about 6 or so services together all on wifi as I don't own any zb/zw devices

[orchid rose]

It will likely boot slowly, bot as Tinkerer said, you won't get an unbiased view here 🙂

We all rather agree that HA is pretty great. We wouldn't be using it otherwise

[clever mortar]

OH is slower to change, more "stable" and therefor well suited who're happy with what it does
HA is a constantly moving target, incredibly flexible, but requires you to learn

[dusk lodge]

I mean... why does boot time matter

[clever mortar]

Not just boot time

[dusk lodge]

I don't shut off my Pi lol

[clever mortar]

Install time too

I've looked at what it would take to move my setup to OH, and the answer is that it's not actually possible. OH isn't capable, or flexible, enough.

[dusk lodge]

Yeah but that's a one time thing...?

My Pi's been connected and running headless for 4 months without interruption

[clear ferry]

I've run headless for 15 years

[dusk lodge]

See I have the actual facilities to comfortably run HA (desktop vm), I just want to do it cleverly and cheaply without dropping big money like every Youtuber seems to

[orchid rose]

Just try it out and see what you think. Most people seem to start with a Pi and move to a dedicated x86 machine at some point

[dusk lodge]

I could attempt using an old laptop if I find the charger for it 🤔

[orchid rose]

If you have a Linux laptop that would probably be perfect. Don't be me and run it on a Windows gaming PC 👀

[dusk lodge]

That's the plan for now if my Pi struggles

To use my gaming PC and just sleep downstairs so I don't need to listen to a jet engine

What I like about the Pi is that it's silent

Not quiet but actually silent, because it doesn't really need cooling

[scenic radish]

so is my mini PC 😛

[clear ferry]

This is what we have garages for

Server racks

No noise

[dusk lodge]

I can get a Pi4B without any trouble, I'd just need to sell my 2B first

And I'd definitely have to settle for the basic 4B

The 4GB version is damn expensive for what it is

[clever mortar]

Laptops are usually pretty silent

[dusk lodge]

@clear ferry This is what Americans and rich people have garages for

[clever mortar]

Have garage, am not rich

[dusk lodge]

I've never seen more than 1 or 2 garages in London

[orchid rose]

Zoë, or boomer Norwegians in this case

[clever mortar]

London... oh boy 😄

[clear ferry]

You choose to live in London

[clever mortar]

London is where house prices start at nuts and go up

[clear ferry]

You must be rich

[dusk lodge]

No I don't lol

Not my house, I'm 17

Talking of London I smell weed

[orchid rose]

Laptops are a pretty good start tbh. A lot of people use nucs which are just the same cpu and cooling anyway

[dusk lodge]

@clever mortar my gf's house is £150-200k and it would be £3m here lol

I'll try to see what I can do

Said old laptop sounds like a spacecraft

[clear ferry]

I looked at buying an apartment in London, I'm probably going to settle for Somerset instead

[orchid rose]

atx gonna brexit?

[clever mortar]

Yup, I've a friend from London who came up and looked at prices here. They were commenting on the prices being reasonable, and then I pointed out they were looking at the most expensive part of town...

[dusk lodge]

My house if it was for sale would be £800k

[clear ferry]

@orchid rose just a vacation house

[dusk lodge]

it's 2-bedroom 🤔

[last dirge]

my garage is bigger than @scenic radish 's apartment

[dusk lodge]

I have a loft I guess

[scenic radish]

👏

[dusk lodge]

No sockets in there though

Sorry not loft, technically an attic

[orchid rose]

Can't think of a worse place for a vacation than UK but you come from Norway so I get it

[clear ferry]

I like the UK, better than France

I've been in the UK probably 20 times

[dusk lodge]

Can you run a Ha server on Android?

I assume not

[last dirge]

no

[dusk lodge]

shame

[last dirge]

don't waste your time doing it on Windows either

you'll drive yourself crazy

[dusk lodge]

For now it's Windows VM or Pi2B until I get a Pi4B

[last dirge]

the pi will work okay

[clever mortar]

It'll work on a 2B, just not recommended

[last dirge]

2B can usB boot

[dusk lodge]

Why would I usb boot?

[clever mortar]

To avoid a dead SD card

[dusk lodge]

oh

they're like £5 though lol

why would it die?

just being written to a lot?

[last dirge]

if you're buying a SD card for 5 quid, it'll last about 3 days

[orchid rose]

logging and stuff kills them

[clear ferry]

SD cards 🤢

[clever mortar]

Google for "Raspberry Pi dead SD card"

[dusk lodge]

@last dirge sandisk...?

32 GB is about £5

[last dirge]

unless it's a class10, it's gonna get chewed up quickly

[dusk lodge]

Its Class 10

I believe UHS-I

[clever mortar]

It'll die

[last dirge]

I'd still use a USB SSD

[clever mortar]

It's when not if

If you buy an industrial or high write card it'll last a lot longer though

[clear ferry]

I'd still use a usb stick

[last dirge]

hell, even a USB SATA adapter

[dusk lodge]

I usually get these for £5

[clever mortar]

It'll die

It's not industrial or high write

Those die too, just later

[orchid rose]

It's fine, but there's no reason to annoy yourself by constantly swapping them out

[last dirge]

and since you're just starting, you'll have a lot of times where your instance just barfs logs repeatedly

which will wear out the card faster

[clear ferry]

I ran my esxi host on the same usb stick for 7 years, without redirecting logs, long live usb, booo SD

[clever mortar]

I mean, I don't care about dead SD cards, but then I'm on Raspbian everywhere, with rpi-clone to another SD, so recovery is under 5 minutes

[dusk lodge]

what about a 3.0 sandisk?

[scenic radish]

flash drives aren't much better

[clever mortar]

They die differently

[dusk lodge]

err

[clear ferry]

@scenic radish in my experience they live a lot longer

[scenic radish]

@last dirge

executing step call service
executing step call service
executing step call service
executing step call service
executing step call service

[dusk lodge]

I guess I own an 8 year old 5,400rpm HDD that's been running non stop?

70k hour uptime as of last week

[scenic radish]

@clear ferry really? i thought it was a similar type of flash memory

[clear ferry]

Come back when you have 15k drives that's lived for 20 years @dusk lodge

[orchid rose]

Later HDDs have proven to be extremely reliable, but they do make noise

[clear ferry]

@scenic radish I replace SD cards often in servers, yet to replace a usb

[dusk lodge]

They're fairly silent when external and 5,400

[orchid rose]

Not to my ears

[scenic radish]

i have special ears

[orchid rose]

mine are yuge

[unreal orbit]

Listen, listen with your special ears 👂

[clear ferry]

I don't mind the noise of HDDs, but I can hear one failing across a DC

[last dirge]

make sure you get one that's capable of BOFA

click click click

grinding noise

[dusk lodge]

what about this?

[scenic radish]

too white

[dusk lodge]

it's pSLC

[clear ferry]

SD cards 🤢

[dusk lodge]

would it be better to get an SLC SD or a normal 3.0 USB?

[orchid rose]

Someone here probably knows more about these and how they handle constant writes, but SSDs should work just fine, and that's why most people recommend that route. For testing any sd cards will work just fine, and in longer term it's up to you if you find it annoying that they keep dying, and the frequency of that depends on the amount of devices as well. Just try and see what works for you.

[scenic radish]

yeah for short-term use an SD card is fine

[clever mortar]

SSD > Industrial SD > High write SD > normal SD

You can, with a little care, get a couple of years out of an SD with HA

[last dirge]

replacement part from GE for my microwave: $130

brand new microwave from GE $199

🤔

[clear ferry]

I try to repair appliances when I can

But sometimes it just doesn't make sense

[last dirge]

it's not even a functional part that's not working

it's the plastic grille on top of the microwave that vents air

[last plaza]

Yesterday I opened my Samsung Refrigerator put it back. Was making noise because of ice build up.

Hate when the fridge makes noise.

it's the plastic grille on top of the microwave that vents air
@last dirge 3D print

[last dirge]

it's 30" wide

so, no

[last plaza]

Make two pieces and make them attachable.

[last dirge]

the previous tenant broke it and that's the only thing I didn't check before the new tenant moved in

[last plaza]

Come up with a clever engineering.

[last dirge]

I tested the microwave worked

didn't test the fan

@last plaza my print envelope is just shy of 6" wide

[last plaza]

Does it vent outside or inside?

[last dirge]

inside

runs through some metal mesh filters

[last plaza]

Make two or three pieces like puzzle pieces and attach them. 🧩

I’ve cut 8” diameter hole and ran vents outside. I removed microwave and replaced with VentaHood.

Best thing I did! 900 CFM dual fan.

[scenic radish]

makeup air?

[shy comet]

i love how easy ESPHome makes spinning up just aobut anything

[scenic radish]

@last plaza do you have a source of makeup air? 900 CFM is a large volume

[last plaza]

@scenic radish ah! We open the windows slightly. Otherwise it will create a vacuum inside. It also helps to pull fresh air.

[clear ferry]

@shy comet yaaaaaaaaaaas queeeen

[last plaza]

Esphome 🤢

[shy comet]

lol

[clear ferry]

Skallavallalalala 🤢

[last plaza]

non- programmers!

[shy comet]

haha, sometimes i really dont wanna mess with all that

setting up a pool water /ambient temp sensor and also about to use a stepper motor to automate the patio awning we have

[last plaza]

There is so much fun in writing your own C code. It’s like having fresh cup of coffee in the early morning!

[shy comet]

lol

instant gratification usually wins in my book lol

[clear ferry]

I have enough frustration with esphome

Imagine me coding

[last plaza]

🐣

[clear ferry]

I can read almost any code

But I'm utter shit at writing it

[last plaza]

it is the setup before you write the code is painful part for me.

Environment setup, dependencies, getting correct versions of libraries...etc.

[shy comet]

just tested my pool sensor and now i know that 77 in the pool is cold for me 😛

probably need it around like 90 or so, it needs to get hotter so i can enjoy it 😂

[last plaza]

77 for Norwegians is too hot!

[shy comet]

what do you guys use for battery power on ESPs? usb power banks?

[amber bramble]

micro nuclear usb reactors

[shy comet]

lol

[last plaza]

I made my own powerbanks - a ton of them!

[shy comet]

@last plaza that sounds really interesting hmm

[last plaza]

Super easy and super cheap to make them.

[shy comet]

how many mah?

[last plaza]

Get these and put 18650 batteries in then. https://www.ebay.com/itm/113830599443

Get the 18650 batteries from old laptop batteries, take out the dead ones, most likely rest are all good and you can reuse them.

[shy comet]

hmm

[last plaza]

That’s all there is to it.

[shy comet]

sounds really simple ill have to look into that more

[scenic radish]

interesting

brb, gonna make some old batteries explode

[wet pilot]

my FIL uses those batts in e-cig vapes

[last plaza]

I have like 300 of those 18650 batteries. I got them from eRecycle center for free.

my FIL uses those batts in e-cig vapes
@wet pilot yep. Same batteries.

[wet pilot]

i mean old laptop cells specifically

[last plaza]

I also made my own 18650 battery charger. That’s also super easy to do.

[wet pilot]

i buy them new 😄

[last plaza]

New and branded old batteries are almost same.

[wet pilot]

oh sure, his are ancient though

[shy comet]

how many mah should i shoot for so im not going out there often lol

[last plaza]

Li-ion batteries hold charge very well.

[shy comet]

like 3000?

for the location i plan to use i need something smaller tahts why

[wet pilot]

standard ones i can see are 2.5 Ah

[shy comet]

we have an above ground pool and i wanted to stick inside the vinyl liner cuz it has space

[wet pilot]

what kind of draw are you looking at?

[last plaza]

If you want a bigger battery pack, you can make your own. That’s also very easy. You can get balance charger like IMaxB6.

[shy comet]

@wet pilot honestly dont even know lol

[wet pilot]

and you might need a regulator in the middle since 3.7V is the "nominal" value

fully charged is 4.2V

[last plaza]

You may want to think about solar charger for outdoors. @shy comet

[shy comet]

ah yea didnt conside that 🙂

[last plaza]

They are best for the pool too

[shy comet]

yea good point

wow that was a really good idea cuz some of those have lights and are waterproof too

thank you @last plaza 🙂

[last plaza]

Here is the charger I made. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400033312929742879/468948007518470145/image.jpg

[scenic radish]

anyone know how to change what ipv6 DNS servers my edgerouter x uses? i have this under system in the configuration:

    name-server 1.1.1.1
    name-server 1.0.0.1
    name-server 2606:4700:4700::1111
    name-server 2606:4700:4700::1001

but my devices appear to be using my ISPs ipv6 DNS

they're using the correct ipv4 DNS

[wet pilot]

oh, i just did that

[last plaza]

No idea. My isp is still stuck in the 70s. Only ipv4 is supported for us.

[scenic radish]

😱

ipv4 can die in a fire

[clear ferry]

@last plaza you mean most of the us internet infrastructure

[scenic radish]

except for LAN only communication

hey, my ISP supports ipv6

[clear ferry]

Just ask @wet pilot about fiber splicing

And cutting

[wet pilot]

lol

[clear ferry]

https://i.redd.it/zithnod6j5051.jpg

Least ergonomic setup

Ever

[scenic radish]

my neck

[clear ferry]

Great for Quasimodo

[last plaza]

Great for Quasimodo
@clear ferry the USA is way behind when it comes to mobile, cellular, and internet infrastructure.

[last dirge]

that looks horribly uncomfortable

unless the whole thing Optimus Primes and stands up

or maybe if you don't have any legs or hips due to an unfortunate biking accident

[clear ferry]

Yes, wife communicates with a lot of people over there in regards to maternity, a lot of them were frustrated over no schooling over the internet, and actually not having internet at home @last plaza and I see a lot of strange stuff on Reddit internet over there

I still remember a report about dialup being prevalent a decade ago

@wet pilot has your wife's school started any internet stuff yet?

My college recorded,streamed and put everything online in 2002

[wet pilot]

yeah, doing some stuff

[last plaza]

Looks like the teachers are running out of ideas. Kids come down everyday looking for stuff to do art projects using household items.

[last dirge]

@last plaza that battery charger sure is somethin

[last plaza]

Today they were asked to balance a balloon while playing violin!

[last dirge]

@clear ferry it's good that your country allows the elderly to go back to school

[clear ferry]

[last plaza]

@last dirge yup. I made so many of those battery packs, I virtually gave one to everyone I know - family, friends, even team members.

It will make a good gift item too for those excessive phone users.

Where is @rain swift - we need him to add those to his DIY list.

One last call, done for today.

[rain swift]

What am I adding?

I've got some motion sensors on one of my lists and when I click on them it says they were bought by someone, and they are one day shipping, but I haven't seen anything, weird.

[last plaza]

Must be a prank that amazon is playing with you!

[last plaza]

@last dirge do you use lawn striping kit for stripes on your lawn? There are DIY options, not sure how well they work. I may have to attach them behind my tractor. It will be a pain if you have to go in reverse.

[last dirge]

I use a reel mower

[last plaza]

Manual or gas powered?

[last dirge]

powered

[last plaza]

Nice! They look bulky!

And expensive too compared to regular push mowers.

[last dirge]

that one was $125

[last plaza]

lol. What are you trying to do with the tachometer on it?

[last dirge]

I wanna replace the engine with a motor

[last plaza]

Convert to electric?

That would be some job!

[last dirge]

nah, it's chain drive right now

you can see it in the back part of that picture

[last plaza]

Yup. Makes it much easier if it is chain drive. There are belt kits available these days as folks are moving away from chains.

[last dirge]

well, that back bit is a pulley to chain jack shaft

the "clutch" is that bit in the middle that pushes on the belt to engage the pulley on the motor

[last plaza]

Ok... I need that tachometer and a torque metered wrench.

[amber bramble]

so is it worth the $250 upcharge to get a higher grade water heater with rheem econet

i'm currently thinking no

[shy comet]

looks like att is offering free hbo max to some of its users like if you have their fiber line

[tidal bronze]

@amber bramble water heater with wifi not worth the money.

Makes sense only if you have recirculation pump AND house is vacated for long periods of time

[amber bramble]

neither of which applies to me

[last plaza]

Going tankless water heater? Highly recommend it! We switched from big ass water tank to gas powered tankless heating system, it is so efficient! Should have done that years ago!

Shit! Just noticed you get tax rebates on high efficiency models.

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza yes a big rebate as well

[amber bramble]

thought about it but I think a tankless is out of our budget right now 😦

[tidal bronze]

Check out Noritz

Best is to purchase the unit and get it installed.

@amber bramble do you have a circulation pump?

[amber bramble]

no

[tidal bronze]

Then its not that expensive