the-water-cooler

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza what brand ? That's a strange one.

[last plaza]

my home security system triggered when a spider crawled on one of the motion sensors - I use Simplisafe

[tidal bronze]

Ahhh

[last plaza]

that's when a cop visited home

he was walking around with a gun and a flash light

[tidal bronze]

It's not supposed to do that. Are they pet immune

[last plaza]

not sure! One of the sensors go off everytime we leave town

[tidal bronze]

Get it replaced. Bad sensor. Spider body heat should not trigger that in any way.

[last plaza]

unless it is a pretty big spider 😛

[tidal bronze]

I dont know whether you have dino size spiders in ohio

[last plaza]

lmao - it only happens when we are not home for more than 2 or 3 days... nothing usually happens when we are out for the weekend trips

[tidal bronze]

Lens or just plastic cover?

[last plaza]

they have plastic covers

[tidal bronze]

So flat plastic cover in front of the sensor ?

Like aqara?

[last plaza]

yes

I'm going to keep an eye... I should have asked which sensor it triggered when I got back... alas!

[tidal bronze]

If it's black plastic then filter is built into the sensor, you should have a log of what triggered when

[last plaza]

yup... it is not black plastic. It looks like aqara one

[tidal bronze]

*flat

[last plaza]

ah! yes, they are little curvy

[tidal bronze]

Do they replace for free? If they do you should get it replaced

[last plaza]

I don't think I still have any warranty on those things - I have had them for 4+ years

once you buy a set of sensors, you are locked in with the vendor

[tidal bronze]

So it does not tell you which zone was triggered?

[last plaza]

It should... if I log into the simplisafe console, which I rarely do 😉

[tidal bronze]

Ah.

And they should tell you when they call as well

Love alarm.com

[last plaza]

oh, yes. I have access to my logs, problem is on my side, I'm too lazy 🙂

[tidal bronze]

Nice sensor data?

[last plaza]

individual sensor data is only available when I subscribe to $25 a month service 🤢

but I have my own motion and door sensors that I use for my automations

Simplisafe doesn't give programmatic access to the sensor data - my biggest complaint with them so far

It only gives the alarm pad status

[tidal bronze]

Got it. Always a catch. 😄

[rain swift]

What does alarm.com do for you

Can you use it with ha

[tidal bronze]

Yes but I dont. Does all the automations I need right in the app.

When they call I just pull up the cameras and say yes/no for police dispatch.

[last plaza]

I only subscribe to higher plan when I travel and immediately cancel it. not worth it for daily use as we have someone always at home

the emergency service is pretty good with simplisafe. if I dont pickup their phone, they call 911 on you rbehalf

[tidal bronze]

Makes sense. I only use it for work.

[hushed basalt]

Urgh wife has made me sick

She's now recovered and I'm bleh

[last plaza]

coronavirus?

[hushed basalt]

Haha who knows

Some sort of respiratory infection. Statistically more likely to be a cold

[last plaza]

Watching PANDEMIC How to prevent an outbreak in netflix - all I can think now is coronavirus

[hushed basalt]

Can't buy any hand sanitizer that's for sure

I'm not so fussed about masks

[last plaza]

yup - I need to go out and stock up for emergency

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza you are a trouble maker 🤣

[last plaza]

nice!!! you will love it.

[hushed basalt]

Smart switch and scent?

[last plaza]

yup

[hushed basalt]

Interesting

Make it only run when people are home etc?

[last plaza]

yup - also, guest mode, where it stays longer when guests come and visit

you can actually find out how many devices connected to your wifi network and adjust that accordingly

[hushed basalt]

You could also consider installing a socket in the bathroom up high

Like a foot from the ceiling like commercial bathrooms do

I think it's more "effective" up high

Although no one in my family can cope with perfumes haha

[last plaza]

I want to install one at the HVAC system level, so that whole house gets it quickly

[hushed basalt]

I suspect your ducting would absorb a lot of it

Plus your return air filter and heat exchanger

Might actually be still more effective to have a couple spread out normally

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze these are the ones we get https://www.bathandbodyworks.com/c/home-fragrance/wallflowers-refills

[forest edge]

those things are dangerous

[tidal bronze]

Nice. Wife's a febreeze fan, just going to automate it 🙂 Thanks for the great idea.

[last plaza]

@forest edge why are they dangerous? did they explode on you? 😛

[hushed basalt]

Volatile organic compounds aren't fun though

[forest edge]

tear one apart and see how it works and see the quality

then you'll know lol

[last plaza]

It leaked once when I had it on my TV stand, it ruined the finish for sure...

[forest edge]

not talking about the chemical. talking about the heating element

[last plaza]

well, if you tear things apart anything can be dangerous

[forest edge]

just seen and read too many fires started by those things lol

[last plaza]

another reason to claim insurance!

[forest edge]

you might want to check into that cause some things like those kind of things, insurance won't cover

[hushed basalt]

Another reason to always use certified devices for your home too

I'm losing the ability to speak words good

[forest edge]

coronavirus?

news is weird. woman said the US first coronavirus death was in Washington. yet I heard the first case of someone in the US having coronairus was first in chicago then in california. it's like wtf is going on lol

[naive ore]

#fakenews 🙂

[hushed basalt]

It doesn't help i haven't had much sleep

[last plaza]

I don't mind working from home for a month or two if this shit becomes real

[hushed basalt]

As long as power and water is good I'll be fine

[tidal bronze]

Cali older woman case is weird. No travel and got corona out of the blue.

[forest edge]

@last plaza it appears to be a slow spread. I think once you start working from home you won't be able to go back lol

[last plaza]

lol

@tidal bronze she probably caught it from a flying kiss 😘

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze did it come with a lime? those are the best corona's to get out of the blue

[tidal bronze]

lol

[last plaza]

@forest edge corona extra's are good with lime, corona's are like bud lights - no flavor

same shitty alcohol percentage, but strong flavor at the least

[forest edge]

yea I drink it. all my friends think it taste like piss lol

[last plaza]

precisely

[tidal bronze]

corona is great.

[last plaza]

If I had to choose between Modelo and Corona, I'd pick chilled Corona on a really hot day, and I can drink Modelo anytime

[forest edge]

scary part is that it's a disease. so no cure or anything and once you have gotten over the initial active state they have no clue if it can/will ever reflare up again

it sounds like its only a matter of time before everyone has it one way or another lol

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza up and running 😉

[last plaza]

sweeet!!!

what took you so long?

[tidal bronze]

LOL

[hushed basalt]

I'd still recommend bumping up your home supply levels though

Drugs, non perishable foods, tissues, toilet paper, hand soap, etc

Don't want to have to leave the house to get tylenol

[tidal bronze]

Did 4 units, mqtt setup, wrote the automations etc. So 8 minutes not bad.

[rain swift]

Are those cheap smart plugs WiFi or zigbee.

[tidal bronze]

tuya wifi

[rain swift]

Interesting

[tidal bronze]

ideal for cheap things like this

[hushed basalt]

We don't have any small plugs like that

[rain swift]

Do you have to get them on the slow boat

[hushed basalt]

All ours are big berthas

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze what tuya wifi do you use? never heard of them

[tidal bronze]

tuyaconvert running tasmota on all of them

[last plaza]

nvm - I saw the pic above you shared

[rain swift]

You can flash them over WiFi now can't you

[tidal bronze]

yep

[rain swift]

I've never messed with that stuff, yet

[last plaza]

how much are they?

[rain swift]

Can I order some on Amazon haha

[tidal bronze]

https://templates.blakadder.com/amysen_YS-WS01.html

yes

[forest edge]

the newer tuya don't use esp chips

[tidal bronze]

yep that's why I got a boat load

[last plaza]

I only see Gosund, not Tuya

[tidal bronze]

that's fine as well

[rain swift]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078K432TK/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_H.VwEb98P1ABQ

So will these work or no?

Cuz $25 is pretty cheap for 4

[tidal bronze]

Yes will work fine.

[rain swift]

Sweet

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze are they small enough you can put two of them in both outlets?

[naive ore]

Are there anything like these but for regular switches (ie. light switches) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XTKQTTV

And by these, I mean they are always normally closed, but when you push "off", its just a temporary push that tells its controller to stop sending power to the bulb.

What I would like is a way to get some "smart" bulbs, have the switches always on for the "smart" capability, but let the switch turn the bulbs off for wife acceptance factor, but I only want the "light" portion off, leave it connected to the wifi....

Does any of what I said make sense?

[tidal bronze]

yep @last plaza

[rain swift]

Awesome

[last plaza]

hmm... not bad

[rain swift]

May pick up a pack

[forest edge]

@naive ore no, what your asking is not remotely possible

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze if they are wifi based, why do you need to worry about mqtt and all?

[rain swift]

Yeah, I want them to just show up with an entity lol

[naive ore]

@forest edge it is possible, its just the switch would have to interact with something like HA to be done

[forest edge]

smart bulbs + smart switches just can't work lol

[rain swift]

Don't really want to mess with mqtt yet

[naive ore]

The "switch" would just not really be switching anything, it would just be sending information to the "controller" to turn the light off via whatever control it has

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza I don't use tuya, convert them to tasmota and local control on VLAN. BTW I take that back, won't fit 2 😦

[forest edge]

you could try something like a shelly + a smart bulb. that might work

[naive ore]

what is a shelly

[last plaza]

@naive ore have two switches, one placebo and another real

[rain swift]

So do I have to use mqtt with those outlets or no?

[tidal bronze]

mqtt much better and lightning fast

[rain swift]

Ahh

[tidal bronze]

I would not do it any other way.

[rain swift]

Maybe it's time to get into it then

[tidal bronze]

Jep

[rain swift]

Is it av pain to work with

[naive ore]

https://www.amazon.com/SHELLY-Wireless-Automation-Android-Application/dp/B07G33LNDY ?

[tidal bronze]

Not at all.

[rain swift]

Sweet

[tidal bronze]

Once you get a hang of it very easy

I probably run 70 or 80 tastmota devices.

[forest edge]

I believe the shelly has an option where the switch only sends an api/mqtt and not actually trigger the relay. in that case it could work with a smart bulb

been a bit since i looked at mine and the options

[naive ore]

but it looks like its DC only?

[forest edge]

no

[rain swift]

I'll have to look up mqtt HA docs when I get home

Can you use it in node red?

[naive ore]

actually, even if it doesn't have that option, don't really need the relay portion, just need something easy to throw in a switch box behind the wall plate that can send the info to HA or whatever

since the actual light circuit would always be closed

[forest edge]

thats asking for trouble imo

[naive ore]

granted, if my HA server is down, every light in the house would be on haha

[forest edge]

exactly

[rain swift]

Nu

[naive ore]

i think this could work though, although I think I'd have to build something around it...was just wondering if anyone knew of something that might already be made...

[forest edge]

nope. and for good reason lol

smart bulbs + smart switches aren't suppose to work in that regard. and as you stated putting something in place that removes any manual control only opens yourself to trouble when things fail

[naive ore]

my fan switch is exactly what i need --except its for fan control

it does exactly what i'm talking about

the only difference is it supports 4 states, off, low,med,high

all just by hitting the rocker switch up or down

its a switch, with a normally open internal relay

[tidal bronze]

Smart bulb + smart switch is an age old question and the answer always = not the smartest way of doing things.

Main reason I was never interested in hue.

[naive ore]

I think it would be ok as long the switch was normally open, most smart bulbs turn "on" when they go from no power to receiving power, right?

[last plaza]

smart + smart = dumb

[tidal bronze]

lol

[rain swift]

What about the guys in here all like "HaVnT ToUcHeD a SwItCh In YeArS"

I don't see the issue with hue? It's just another smart bulb

[tidal bronze]

Yep, that does not mean local control is disabled, just don't use it.

[last plaza]

yes, but don't control hue bulb with smart switch

[rain swift]

It's good for people who rent

[last plaza]

if your automations are good, you will never have to touch them

BUT, it takes time for someone to get to that maturity level - only some of us have achieved that 😛

[rain swift]

If you're using a dumb wall switch with a smart bulb how do you have control manually still? All you can do is cut off power

[safe gale]

hei guys. anyone used https://hacs.xyz/ with any recent version of hassio ?

[rain swift]

If your ha dies while the bulb is off, you can't turn it on

[last plaza]

you don't - that's my point. the switches are just aesthetic.

[rain swift]

Ah

[tidal bronze]

@rain swift if you are renting, yes that's a good alternative.

[rain swift]

Okay I was confused

[naive ore]

@rain swift i haven't ever used any smart bulbs, I kind of assumed if they went from a not receiving power to receiving power state, they would turn on

[last plaza]

when guests come to my home, they can still play with them

[tidal bronze]

Exactly

[rain swift]

Actually with hue you can choose

So nevermind lol

[last plaza]

@safe gale wrong channel

[safe gale]

@last plaza in which one should I ask?

[tidal bronze]

But I removed control even for guests. So far working good with mini motes. They love it : ) Motion override on the fly. : ) @last plaza

[naive ore]

anyway, was just a thought...i have other things to work on, but have a couple led lights that have burned out 🙂

[rain swift]

I do that in the walk in closet

[last plaza]

@safe gale go to #integrations-archived

[safe gale]

got it. thanks!

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze same here, it takes only 5 minutes for the guests to realize that, and then they are good

[rain swift]

You turn it off and it turns off motion control, but I didn't program the other buttons

[tidal bronze]

This is all they get now.

[naive ore]

i dont like people, so we never have guests 🙂

[last plaza]

you give them a vase?

[tidal bronze]

That too.

[naive ore]

anyway, thanks...back later

[rain swift]

How much are the mini motes?

[tidal bronze]

They don't sell it anymore, sadly.

[rain swift]

Doh

How do you set up the buttons?

[tidal bronze]

https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/z-wave/device-specific/#aeon-minimote

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze we have xiaomi cubes in each room. that's all our guests get

[tidal bronze]

Nice

[last plaza]

kids love them!

[forest edge]

I could just see a guest trying to figure how to use a cube to operate crap in the room they are in

[tidal bronze]

In my case, whenever in doubt press 4 LMAO

[forest edge]

lets see, if i rotate it 3 times and throw it against the wall the tv turns on!

[last plaza]

@forest edge most of our guests are smart. we don't invite the dumb ones 😛

[forest edge]

lol

[tidal bronze]

Honestly they get used to it pretty quick.

[last plaza]

dumb ones will go to the outhouse

[rain swift]

I meant how do YOU have the buttons set up

[tidal bronze]

The bad part is explaining shit when they go WOW

[forest edge]

then the dog gets ahold of it and all of the sudden your whole house flickers like a thriller movie

[tidal bronze]

@rain swift self explanatory. I ask them press and check. 1 table on/off 2 main lights on/off ....4 group on/off Just like all the hotels. Master slee/wake

[rain swift]

Ahh interesting

I've never had a remote in a hotel lol

So you don't do motion lights in those rooms? Or it's disabled for guests?

[tidal bronze]

Yes only On with extra long timeouts.

They can override disable motion if they want but that rarely happens.

If they complain for any reason I have my override 🙂

[rain swift]

Haha nice

[last plaza]

@rain swift this is home automation - anything is possible!

[tidal bronze]

yep

[forest edge]

dunno, haven't seen jarvis yet

[rain swift]

Only limited by budget and being able to figure out how to do it

[last plaza]

we all start small, and then 🤯

[tidal bronze]

Key is, it takes time, more than money or knowing how to do it.

[rain swift]

Yeah, I'm still very, very small

[shy comet]

ive been using HA for 2 years and 2 years on ST before that...i got a lot of shit 😂

[tidal bronze]

Less time you spend on worrying about how the damn UI looks faster you automate 🙂

[last plaza]

@rain swift this was 3 years ago https://raw.githubusercontent.com/skalavala/mysmarthome/master/images/skalavala-smarthome-dashboard.jpg

[forest edge]

yea that's insane

lol

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze you can say that again!

[rain swift]

My ui is very basic

[last plaza]

the reason I have that large UI is I don't use it much, just needed all in one place is I need them

[rain swift]

I don't worry about trying to make it look pretty, I just have the few things I need

[shy comet]

i just care to see things quickly if i want to look stuff

[rain swift]

Some things are temp until I get automations working well

[shy comet]

i use a lot of entity filter cards on the home tab for the important stuff

[rain swift]

That's exactly what I do

[shy comet]

anythign that calls for attention shows up at hte top

[rain swift]

Yup

I have all of the lights in case I need em, filter cards and some over rides

[shy comet]

i appreciate looking at the pretty UI's though...but anytime i attempt ot use it im like this is cool but too much lol

[rain swift]

Yup

[shy comet]

like that 3d floorplan from the community highlights

[rain swift]

In fact, you're making me want to remove more lol

[shy comet]

haah yea just htinking about it your like do i really need this?

[rain swift]

Or make more filter cards

[shy comet]

some tabs i like to glance at liek the nursery

when you want to peak teh temperature sensors or see how much movement occurred over night

[rain swift]

There's some other stuff I only need to see when it's on

Like my over rides

I'm trapped in a car and can't work on anything, aahhh

[shy comet]

the filter cards serve as a reminder too in case you dismissed a notification and you come back to see it

[last plaza]

I stay away from 3D plan, Floor Plan, Custom UI stuff. I got about 175 automations, and that's all I need mostly

wine time @tidal bronze

[forest edge]

@last plaza heated driveway?

[shy comet]

yea its cool but when im looking at the phone id like to see things split up by the room...seeing them visually feels liek it slows me down more than reading it

[rain swift]

Yes

[last plaza]

@forest edge yep - naturally heated driveway (black top) 🙂

[forest edge]

yea I figured, stood out lol

oh

wait, you mean heated through color. it's not actually heated?

[last plaza]

It gets so hot in the summer, it started to melt some of the rubber around the car's trunk

[forest edge]

oh no

I thought you had an actual heated driveway put in cause your neighbors weren't black top lol

[last plaza]

winter time, the snow melts quickly with a little bit of sunlight, if I have more snow, I have a snow blower that will take care of it

the drive way is well maintained - I seal every year

[forest edge]

I guess it keeps the neighborhood kids from wanting to play in your driveway during summer lol

[last plaza]

yep - best if you put a couple of sprinklers

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza right on. Same on this site but whiskey 😜

[last plaza]

lol - I like those stones. I have them! they keep it cold without watering it down

[tidal bronze]

Yep. Best thing since sliced bread

[shy comet]

looks like my hookah coals lol

[forest edge]

then you find out they leak radon lol jk

[tidal bronze]

With this stuff you never know.

[last plaza]

radio active stones

[rain swift]

Eewww

[last plaza]

you need smart stones @tidal bronze

[tidal bronze]

One of these days.....m

I can finally relax a bit champ is up and kicking.

[forest edge]

awesome

wtf is it with vets always trying to feed animals chicken and beef lol

[tidal bronze]

No that's me chicken breast and brisket.

[forest edge]

oh

[rain swift]

I want a medical device I can wear that reports all the things to my system, I mean you sorta have some stuff now but

[forest edge]

they had a dish similiar to that for our cat when he got out of surgery lol

[tidal bronze]

Vet didn't have brisket so had to take it lol.

His favorite

[forest edge]

lol

@rain swift you really asking for something that would erase your browser history upon heart stop?

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze poor thing - hopefully he gets to recover at home!

[tidal bronze]

He's coming home tomorrow, so excited.

[last plaza]

ok ok... cool!

[rain swift]

Incognito mode my man

[last plaza]

@forest edge that's not a bad idea!

have a kill switch that erases everything as if you never lived and link that to your heart beat monitor

[rain swift]

Yes

And release the claymore Roomba's.

[tidal bronze]

@rain swift you will need to do this as well

[forest edge]

thats funny

@last plaza I ran across an actual service once that did that remotely for people. I don't know if if it still exsist or what the name of it was but was a monthly charge lol

[tidal bronze]

Sudden death service?

[last plaza]

wow! sounds like scam or illegal service

how much did they pay you?

[forest edge]

you would install thier program on your pc(s) and it just gave them the ability to essentially remote initiate a format lol

I didn't use it, just ran across it lol

this was like less than 10 years ago I found it

[tidal bronze]

Do they really have a service to handle the digital stuff after sudden death?

[forest edge]

can't do a whole lot about social media sites ect, but for your own computers. sure

there is certianly a demand for it

[tidal bronze]

One of my buddies came up with a concept honestly it's a needed service this day and age.

Shit the amount of passwords alone....

[last plaza]

yup

[hushed basalt]

I guess if you had things encrypted. Even with standard windows 10 with tpm, that's probably good enough

[forest edge]

if they could do something like how you can use google to login to other sites etc and just use thier service to log in to evverything, it would be quite easy lol

[hushed basalt]

There's no real difference between destruction and encryption without the ability to decrypt it

For local stuff

Online services, eh they're a minefield

[forest edge]

encryption isn't fool proof by any means

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge having password manager login transfer auth upon demise would be it....

[hushed basalt]

Nothing is

[forest edge]

course we're talking Trump level of secrets that needed to be buried lol

[hushed basalt]

There's not much you can do against 5 eyes

Other than bring out the guillotines.

But with dragnet big data surveillance they'd nip any revolution in the bud anyways

[forest edge]

sure there is no shortage of husbands out there who would like certain things to 'disappear" upon their death though. would be a very lucrative business lol

[hushed basalt]

https://media.tenor.com/images/7094a2cdf5b24feda15a5fb56889c16c/tenor.gif

[last plaza]

there we go again - we've been gif free for the past hour! 🤢

we should have age verification to these channels 😛

[dull chasm]

@last plaza we could modify channel setting to disallow

[last plaza]

I know - this is #the-water-cooler we are okay once in a while

@tidal bronze I actually copied the fragrance idea from @dull chasm 's repo

[tidal bronze]

Thank thank you @dull chasm @last plaza 🙂

[last plaza]

he had it done earlier, which I liked!

[dull chasm]

🙇‍♂️

[last plaza]

@dull chasm what kind of aroma therapy stuff do you have?

[dull chasm]

hell i dont know what .....wax i think

i call wife's prettys and smell good stuff

[last plaza]

hmm...

[humble pond]

I call it wife's gives me a migraine stuff

[forest edge]

nodemcu hooked to a 20amp relay with 110v short lead coming out spaced about 3/8 of inch from another lead hooked to ground with a wick attached to an m80 rubber banded to a glade aerosol can and presto.. HA controlled fragence burst

[last plaza]

@forest edge that's a smart bomb!

[forest edge]

for those emergencies when you need to cover the smell in a rush

[tidal bronze]

Why go through all that, a good ol' bean burrito should do it.

[dull chasm]

please dont metion that ....me and puppy split one today and she wont stop farting

[forest edge]

lol

[last plaza]

lol

[forest edge]

hope you don't have a smart vac, won't be th only mess you'll probably have to deal with after that worked it's course

[tidal bronze]

That stuff makes you go Picasso

[dull chasm]

she is good with her puppy pad ...except when we open my sons room .....she will go poop in there everytime.....i dont think she likes him

[forest edge]

lmao

my mom had a cocker spaniel that didn't like my dad very much, every week that dog would pick a random day to chew the buckle off his belt he had hanging off a coat rack. went through like 5 belts before he stopped putting belts on it lol

[hushed basalt]

Pollock painting

[last plaza]

@forest edge that's a smart dog! 😂

never knew pollock painting! looks like kindergartners paintings! 😂 how the heck they become famous? I understand the abstract, this is nuts! even I could be a great painter and my paintings look like chicken shit!

[forest edge]

my dad didn't think so lol

[last plaza]

I don't think I will ever understand abstract painting - If I am spending money, i would rather expect some skill and not just throw bunch of colors at once! 😉

[hushed basalt]

This sort of stuff is panned by "art critics"

Even though it's extremely high skill level and liked by the general public

Art critics are self indulgent wanks

[last plaza]

I went to an art museum last year, it was great mostly

[forest edge]

https://media.giphy.com/media/Wt7sru9YSDLP2/giphy.gif

[hushed basalt]

Gippphhhhhh

[forest edge]

that little girl didn't grow up to become shit lol not a t star or anything. yet the poltergeist girl if she had lived would probably be a pretty big movie star.

[tidal bronze]

You learn something new every day

[dull chasm]

damn you .......burst my bubble ....

[tidal bronze]

@dull chasm you up late ? Did you get permission to stay after bedtime?

[dull chasm]

heh ....that aint right

i did take a good nap

[rain swift]

he has a special boolean just for this occasion. 😄

[naive ore]

@forest edge doesn't this do exactly what I was asking about earlier? Am I missing something? https://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-Hue-Smart-Wireless-Dimmer-Switch-and-Remote-473371/303070083

[tidal bronze]

This is just a scene controller not a switch to replace the actual switch.

[naive ore]

if the scene is "on" or "off", doesn't it have the same affect?

[tidal bronze]

This is a make believe battery operated controller. Not a real switch. You were asking something else earlier

[naive ore]

I think it achieves the same goal though...since its a wall switch that turns the lights "off", but still leaves them accessible to HA

[tidal bronze]

So what are you going to do with your real switch. ?

[rain swift]

I just use a hue dimmer switch for the one room I wanna have a remote

and leave the light switch on

😛

[tidal bronze]

Lol

Oh boy

[naive ore]

@tidal bronze hard wire it to "on" and put this over the top of it 🙂

[tidal bronze]

Mickey mouse stuff. Good for you guys 👍

[rain swift]

I think smart light switches are dumb unless the bulb is going to be dumb

[naive ore]

the wife acceptance factor is the reason for the switch

[rain swift]

well in my defense we rent this condo, i'm not doing anything to the wall switches lol

[naive ore]

she doesn't want to use an app or her voice every time she wants to control the light

[tidal bronze]

So use zigbee or zwave

[rain swift]

that

[naive ore]

i dont understand how that's any different

[tidal bronze]

Then you need to do some googling

[naive ore]

zwave light or switch, still has to control power to the light...if the light is off, it can't be controlled other than the switch, the switch isn't going to be able to tell the light to change colors right?

[rain swift]

only if the switch can control scenes

[forest edge]

what you gonna do when something along the line breaks and your wife cannot control the light? lol

tell her to use the breaker? lmao

[naive ore]

well, if the power is out, the lights wont work, and if the power is up, then my wifi will be...i have 5 ap's in the house

[forest edge]

there is sooo much more than can break than power and wifi when dealing with a control such as that

how you gonna know if the smart bulb is whats bad? or something wrong with the automation or maybe something quirky with HA itself? or evven interference?

[tidal bronze]

I think you are mixing accent / ambient lighting with primary lighting. @naive ore

[naive ore]

not really, i just over-do things...when i built this house last year, i ran 15000' of cat6 for example (i think i have 136 drops)....I think i use 20?

[forest edge]

most smart bulbs require power cycling to reset, you gonna use the breaker for that? good way to wear out a breaker quicker

[tidal bronze]

Running CAT is not overdoing at all, but your switch thinking makes little sense.

[naive ore]

@forest edge good info to know, like I said, haven't bought any smart lights yet, so just investigating options...

@tidal bronze i just meant the fact that I ran 15000 feet of it...

[tidal bronze]

That's awesome I am a firm believer of wired stuff as much as one can.

[naive ore]

me 2

[forest edge]

I just looked at the options on my shelly, there is a detached switch option which gives you what you want. gives the wife an normal light switch to operate the light while giving you your "always on" status you want since the switch dosen't control the relay directly

[tidal bronze]

Many of the aeotec zwave mini switches can do that.

[forest edge]

bonus is, it can always be changed on the fly if need be

[naive ore]

link?

[forest edge]

just google shelly

[velvet horizon]

:point_up: Let me Google that for you...

Here @naive ore , try this:
http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=<%40!225829389206683650>+shelly

Command '.lmgtfy' was invoked by: skalavala

[naive ore]

yea, I did earlier, there were a lot of different ones...just thought you might have a specific one handy

[forest edge]

no i use the 1pm's which have power monitoring but you don't need that

just the plain old shelly 1 is all you need

[naive ore]

they appear to be the same price, is the pm the same thing just with power monitoring?

[forest edge]

yes

it has overheat protection too so it's worth it if same price

[naive ore]

do you ahve to use the gpio inputs or can it be controlled via its "built in web server"

[forest edge]

built in server, you don't need to flash it or anything

install it, set it up and your good

may wanna pick up a small roll of 14ga braided wire while your at it cause holy hell the little connectors on the back of them are small. I couldn't even get a 12ga solid copper wire to push into them lol

i didn't have any 14ga solid copper on hand to see if those would go in

[naive ore]

is 14ga braided in NEC ?

[forest edge]

but braided wire made it alot easier to get the little sucker pushed behind the switch lol

pretty sure, don't see why it wouldn't be

[naive ore]

i think you're right now that i think about it....I believe the caseta swtiches i have use braided

[forest edge]

most switches use braided off the back of them

[naive ore]

the pm's are actually cheaper because of amazon free shipping, the regulars didn't have it 🙂

[forest edge]

just make sure you strip small amounts and make sure no strands and cross touching etc, take your time cause personally the way they decided to do those connectors really invite for some bad crap if done wrong

[naive ore]

yea, looks like very close together, and they're going to shift a bit when cramming into a 1gang box

[forest edge]

yea you only need to strip off a vvery small amount of insulation and then crank down the screw on to the wire

[naive ore]

can't tell from the pictures, are they about the size of 2 quarters?

[forest edge]

Oh i dunno i didn't measure

they are small, it will fit

[naive ore]

thx, bookmarked this for when i get to that phase 🙂

[forest edge]

smarter than hot plugging the wire leaving the breaker as the only means of turning off the power

and there is like 4 diffrent switch modes you can use

so you can always chnage to something else later

[naive ore]

i wasn't really going to leave that as the only way, I was actually thinking of maybe making the other faceplate attach over a recessed switch with a magnet or something

Hue lights seem overpriced....yes?

[gusty pilot]

so im currently looking for an API for Tuya lights. I currently use the SmartLife app/IFTTT integrations to control them with my phone and streamdeck, but I want to switch to using them with Tuya so I can hopefully better control them. I can't find any API options for Tuya tho, does anybody know of one?

[hushed basalt]

I think the term you're looking for is stranded, not braided?

[forest edge]

@gusty pilot #integrations-archived but to answer the question, I do not believe there is one that's why so many flash the tuya stuff with tuya convert. don't ask, google lol

@hushed basalt same diff

[hushed basalt]

Nooppee

This is braided

[forest edge]

your AU logistics hold no merit here

[hushed basalt]

Stranded

[forest edge]

like i said, same diff lol

[hushed basalt]

Au logistics?

[gusty pilot]

stranded

[hushed basalt]

You shouldn't use stranded stuff in fixed installations anyways

Same for ethernet and electrical

Always solid core

[forest edge]

it's fine

plus they are short leads

every switch that has a prewire lead that comes off it is braided

[hushed basalt]

stranded

[forest edge]

just giving you shit man, you are correct.. it's braided

[hushed basalt]

Tomato tomatoe

Egg plant, potato

[clear ferry]

You are both wrong, it's multicore !

[forest edge]

to norwats it's just called "this" wire and "that" wire

[clear ferry]

Pff, we just call it Ènleder and Flerleder or Flatkabel for that stuff you posted

[rain swift]

moonspeak detected.

[clear ferry]

Suddenly winter came

We haven't had snow in over two months

[forest edge]

looks like a light dusting to me

more curious about your neighbors house

is that living quarters under the deck?

[clear ferry]

It's a garaga

[forest edge]

oh i see

the way the fence bumped up to it and all aligned, that was throwing me off lol

[rain swift]

norwats.

[clear ferry]

Pretty normal to have the garage in house or under patios in Norway

But for bigger houses it is usually a freestanding double garage a few meters from the house

[forest edge]

the way the fence comes off the back, looks to be on a structured base like brick or something, I was thinking there was like this whole underground structure there lol

[clear ferry]

Yeah, most houses here are brick / concrete for the basement level

[forest edge]

and there is atleast 20 lines stretching from that pole lol

[clear ferry]

Then wood for all the other floors

Yeah, it's a bit misleading, as at least 5 of those are fiber cables

Norway uses 3phase 400v distribution, so only 5 cables are for power anyway

[forest edge]

lol 5

so this is morning for you right?

the sun is just coming up

if it weren't for those several lines from the poles, you could almost mistake that picture being taken in like maine or something lol

[clear ferry]

Yeah, it's 7am

If a could take a picture backwards you would only see pine and birch trees

[forest edge]

lol

[clear ferry]

The neighbours huge pine will have to suffice

[rain swift]

nice

[forest edge]

yea I wouldn't call that "huge" lol

I would say those bins look narrow and small as hell tho lol

[clear ferry]

12-14 meters ain't good enough for you?

[forest edge]

not really no

ours trees dwarf that lol

[clear ferry]

Those would be the standard Norwegian bins, collected every two weeks

@forest edge pix or it didn't happen

[forest edge]

it's 12am, you wouldn't see much lol

[clear ferry]

Get some midnight sun!

[forest edge]

our trees are pretty close to twice as high, some not quite, some are evven more so. depends on the tree

I do got some redbuds that are shorter if that makes you feel better lol

[clear ferry]

Tree of the elder Dogs

[forest edge]

can't really find a decent picture of our normal oak trees but they generally grow as high as around 100ft which is like over 30 of your meters lol

same goes for our pine trees but they are usually slightly shorter than 100ft

[clear ferry]

[naive ore]

whats the best channel to ask about the paid cloud integration

[hushed basalt]

There'd we three lines for each phase in the high voltage distribution

Plus 4 for the low voltage distribution after the transformer

So that's like 7 alone just for normal suburb power distribution

Maybe 8. I can't remember if high voltage street distribution has a neutral

[clear ferry]

@naive ore maybe #cloud-archived

@hushed basalt we don't do transformation, just phase shifting inside the house

[hushed basalt]

Wat

[clear ferry]

So 400v all the way in, then do that distributed across fuses

So first three fuses are L1+L2, next three are L2+L3 next is L3+L1 etc

[clear ferry]

I was sure it was between phases and not phase and neutral here

[hushed basalt]

400v is still low voltage

The 400v and the 230v are the same

Just 3 phases of 230v with respect to neutral makes three phase 400v

But you'll still have a transformer on your block, to a high voltage

[clear ferry]

Aye, I think the distribution from each neighborhood is 1000v

https://energifaktanorge.no/norsk-energiforsyning/kraftnett/

That one Google translate fine

[forest edge]

3rd world power lol

[hushed basalt]

3rd world would be the country with 110v

[forest edge]

that manages to make it all work

[hushed basalt]

Keeps the copper companies in business

[forest edge]

thats another thing, running more wire so you can make it thinner doesn't save on copper or make it more efficient lol

[hushed basalt]

What?

More wires?

[forest edge]

yea

we run 3 total

but i wasn't just refering to that

like that ring thing the other night lol

[hushed basalt]

That's british

And that was done to literally save copper after they got bombed out by the Nazis

You run three total where?

[clear ferry]

Recycling time

[clever mortar]

You need a can crusher 😉

[clear ferry]

We get money back

0.2£ each

And barcode need to be readable

[clever mortar]

Ah, interesting

That's quite neat

[orchid rose]

that isn't a thing in the UK?

[hearty depot]

It is in germany the same - Little bit stupid imo - they get crushed in the automat

[clever mortar]

We're just expected to recycle

[orchid rose]

I'm not totally sure what the laws require here, but all plastic and glass bottles have the same too

[clever mortar]

And folks generally recycle badly here 🤦

[hearty depot]

you dont say 🤣

[clear ferry]

Everything is recycled here

[clever mortar]

If there was a financial reward it'd probably help, but then more people would likely just throw stuff in the bin because it'd be "too hard" to recycle

[orchid rose]

I don't know how much of a difference it makes in all honesty

[clear ferry]

I think the last study of cans and bottles were 89% recycled here

Which is a huge impact

[clever mortar]

It shouldn't be hard here - we get recycling bins for (most) recycling - glass is the thing that has varied support

But... people are fscking stupid and often can't be bothered to put their recycling in the right bin, so ...

[orchid rose]

I try to recycle glass and cardboard as there are bins for those, but the rest pretty much just gets burned anyway. Not sure what they do with the cardboard

[clever mortar]

Paper and cardboard can be (a limited number of times) recycled into more cardboard

[orchid rose]

Alright, that makes sense then. I think the same is true for the plastic bottles which is why we return them

[clever mortar]

We recycle glass separately, but otherwise it's all paper, card, metal, and plastic

food and garden waste is handled separately, for obvious reasons 😄

[hushed basalt]

I think most of our recycling here just gets shipped to china

Until they started rejecting it

Now I think it just gets warehoused or put in landfill 🤷‍♂️ it's all very opaque

A big problem we have, which I assume a lot of countries have, is they don't manufacture

No manufacturing means no demand for materials

Which means recyled products are valueless, and the "cost" of putting it in the ocean or burying it isn't borne directly

[clever mortar]

Globalisation "FTW"

[orchid rose]

A lot of things can be burned for energy though

[hushed basalt]

I don't think we burn stuff here

[clever mortar]

🤔 That would solve many problems ...

[hearty depot]

My wife is 1000% into recyceling.
now even having a organic waste ton in the flat.
but to be honest, waste production is a serius problem
(omg... she is speaking out of me...)

[hushed basalt]

Good luck burning plastic coke bottles

Bottling has changed completely too. Not that long ago your coke would have been made and bottled in your city into reusable glass bottles

So the water comes from your municipality and returns back through your cities post sewerage treatment

[orchid rose]

According to a local energy producer burning waste has a 95% efficiency. The 5% that doesn't burn is stuff like aluminum, glass and cat litter

[hushed basalt]

Now we mine water out of drought striken towns and ship water around the world

[orchid rose]

Apparently aluminum is the biggest issue as it only melts and needs to be removed manually every now and then. Maybe I should pay more attention to recycling cans properly...

[clever mortar]

ISTR that glass and metal are the two "best" for recycling as they're effectively infinitely recyclable

Recycled glass uses less energy to work with than raw too

[hushed basalt]

Captain Planet wouldn't approve of incinerating waste

[orchid rose]

It doesn't approve of burning other fossil fuels either. Burning waste seems like a no-brainer to me

[hushed basalt]

What about pollution

[orchid rose]

Pollution compared to what?

"In a study from 1997, Delaware Solid Waste Authority found that, for same amount of produced energy, incineration plants emitted fewer particles, hydrocarbons and less SO2, HCl, CO and NOx than coal-fired power plants, but more than natural gas–fired power plants."

[hushed basalt]

The other problem is you lose those resources,

I'd like to see more demand for those materials rather than writing them off as generator fuel

[orchid rose]

It's waste. The stuff that can be used again should be recycled before burning of course.

[hushed basalt]

But that doesn't happen here

We treat everything as waste

[orchid rose]

Start with that then 🙂

[hushed basalt]

That's my point, it's complex

And what works in the EU or US isn't necessarily the panacea for Australia

[orchid rose]

Fair enough. It's just sometimes hard to fathom that this stuff isn't done everywhere...

[hushed basalt]

Plus I'm not sure I'd trust out government to enforce emission regulation

[forest edge]

I wish we burned more here

[clear ferry]

We burn a lot of the household general waste to create heated water to heat building in the cities

But all glass and metal we have to deliver ourselves to dropoff points, but a lot of cities have household dumpsters for those, I hope we get those soon

Because delivering it is a pita

[hushed basalt]

I've seen some systems on youtube where people have colour coded bags

And all the bags go in the same bin picked up by the same truck

And then they do automatic rapid sorting of the bags

I'm not sure how good they are in reality though

There's also that concept of pneumatic rubbish tubes for new cities but that may just be a pipe dream

People lose their shit when they talk about introducing sorted recycling at home here

"I pay my rates why should i do their job for them"

[clear ferry]

That was 800 Swedish boxes recycled, then just need to do the Norwegian ones later

@hushed basalt my parents have that, one huge bin, 5 different colours

[hushed basalt]

Coloured bags?

We just have three bins. Landfill, comingled recycling and green waste

No one ever drops off anything to recycling centres

Unless they have a car load of cardboard and don't want to wait a couple of months to put it in their bin

[clear ferry]

We do cardboard, paper, plastic, food, garden, general at home, and batteries, wood, metals, and more at drop points

[light trout]

suuure.. we can

[clear ferry]

Most of us do @light trout

💩

[light trout]

Hmmm 🤔

[clever mortar]

s/most/some/g

s/some/not enough/g

[light trout]

We have 3 bins where I live, when they come to pick it up, 2 of them are dumped in the same compartment in the truck 🤷

[clever mortar]

Yeah, previous place I lived did the same - got us to sort our recycling then dumped them in the same compartment on most trucks

Here we just put all the dry recyclables in the same bin, and it all gets sorted elsewhere

[clear ferry]

@light trout it can look like the same compartment on some trucks, buy a different button puts it inside a different inner container on some I know

Depends on the truck

[light trout]

Yeah yeah I know some of them are split internally, but the one here is not

They used to have a different company picking it up, they sepersted it, but the new company does not

[clear ferry]

Call the news paper

[light trout]

There has already been articles about it

They "promise" to handle it correctly by 2022

[clear ferry]

[hushed basalt]

Let's just ship all our waste to Tediore

He will take our waste and be glad

[rain swift]

launch it at the sun

[wintry crow]

When I was a nipper we had returnable pop bottles, 10 pence when you took it back to the shop

Should bring that back. Was a freebie treat for kids

[fervent atlas]

The roborock S55 is a popular vacuum to automate. It appears the blower fan, made of ABS, will weld itself and likely set on fire if run at maximum power in your daily automation.

[rain swift]

w.t.f.

[orchid rose]

Got source for this @fervent atlas?

[clear ferry]

@fervent atlas mine runs in turbo every day for the last 8 months

45 minutes each day

[wintry crow]

But now you have that seed of doubt...

[clever mortar]

Fight FUD with

[rain swift]

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-fire-gif-7182596

test them smart smoke detectors.

[orchid rose]

...also made by Xiaomi 👀

[wintry crow]

With backdoor via Huawei ofc

The Chinese govt know when you vaccuum!

[clever mortar]

The shame! The shame!

[clear ferry]

I should buy those Xiaomi smoke detectors

Looked nice

[clever mortar]

But... does it actually work?

[wintry crow]

Add in some ESP-controlled sprinklers attached to your roborock and crisis averted

[clear ferry]

I wonder if they are WiFi or ZigBee though

@clever mortar labeled with Honeywell, can't be worse than the $10 regular people buy

[rain swift]

aren't that robot vaccums with a camera on them

[clear ferry]

@rain swift if you classify laser as camera, sure

[rain swift]

haha someone had one and was like I wonder what this camera is for.

[clear ferry]

https://blog.tlpa.nl/2017/11/12/xiaomi-also-mijia-and-honeywell-smart-fire-detector/

[wintry crow]

So the plan is to fit that on the roborock?

[clear ferry]

I hope not

Rather 8 around the house

[rain swift]

which ones do you have?

I need to pick up a few more. 😄

[clear ferry]

I'm looking at those above

Currently i just have some 433 connected ones

First have to pay my tailgating fine though

Just $700

[wintry crow]

Bad man

[rain swift]

extortion at gun point.

[wintry crow]

Gah stripping 18650s from laptop batteries is a seriously tedious task

[last plaza]

not if you have proper tools - I crack opened 40 of them earlier in just an hour or so

[wintry crow]

Yeah, opening the plastic cases is fine, it's the splitting of the cells. I'm leaving them in 2p pairs for a quick charge test

[last plaza]

how are you going to charge them?

[clear ferry]

I just order them off Ali

[wintry crow]

imax b6

[last plaza]

@clear ferry you really get junk ones from Ali

[wintry crow]

Hahah well there's that, but I work in IT so I got around 300 for free

All Samsung and NCR

[clear ferry]

@last plaza probably, haven't had time to use them yet even...

[last plaza]

you can build charger easily... I built one earlier

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400033312929742879/468948051147620364/image.jpg

[clear ferry]

Thankfully I haven't worked with laptops for 15 years

[wintry crow]

Yeah I have a bunch of 4056's somewhere between China and here

[last plaza]

I got about 250+ batteries

[wintry crow]

I dont mind the 20 day delvery time since corona only lasts 9 days on hard surfaces

[rain swift]

you just had all those little circuit boards laying around to build a battery charger.

[last plaza]

I have iMax B6 as well, but I rarely use it

[wintry crow]

Good to do a charge/discharge cycle to get a decent reading of mAh

Otherwise 4056's

[last plaza]

yup

[wintry crow]

I've thought about hacking the LEDs on them and using them to feed an ESP. That way I can have a simple dashboard that shows me when I have charged cells, and even notify me

[rain swift]

Do it

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza that's nice looking charger

[last plaza]

I did it 4 years ago. Works great! Poor mans version

My soldering skills are no way close to yours!

I think we should start a thread on must have tools for either DIY or automation 😉 I don't think I have the right soldering unit to begin with - just bought a cheapo version from amazon for $15

[tidal bronze]

TS-100 would be it

[forest edge]

suggesting a $100 soldering iron may not be the best idea for a thread like that lol

[tidal bronze]

$69

[forest edge]

what i saw was 100 if you wanted a charger lol

[tidal bronze]

You mean a PSU? Comes with it

[wintry crow]

100% agree on the TS-100

[tidal bronze]

I got weller and Hakko stations but my go to is TS-100 with 24V PSU

Flash https://github.com/Ralim/ts100 and you're golden 🙂

[last plaza]

there is a firmware for the soldering iron?

[tidal bronze]

Improved PID 🙂 Rotating display 450 C boost etc. Pretty nice and nifty

[last plaza]

ordering one right now - I don't do much soldering these days, but comes in handy when I need it

[tidal bronze]

My portable setup, yes 6s2p lipo is too much but hey.....😀

[last plaza]

super cool!

[forest edge]

I have a cordless weller. just need a smaller tip lol

[tidal bronze]

Any lipo 3s - 6s would do great for all the garden LED stuff

I do have the Weller butane as well. TS-100 much better.

[forest edge]

i wish the hot air ones weren't so damn pricey

[wintry crow]

Doesnt Rossmann sell those?

[tidal bronze]

Do have them but TS can take care of 90% of the stuff if you know what you are doing

Yep Rossmann talks highly of the TS 🙂

[wintry crow]

Yup, never seen a bad review of it

[tidal bronze]

Although the stock tip is not great.

TS-C4 is my fav

[scenic radish]

Just the tip?

[forest edge]

still think you should find something cheaper for a thread of suggestions lol

[tidal bronze]

Well it's an investment, unless you are trying DIY HA for day or two 🙂

[forest edge]

it's a chunk of money for diy

thats like 8-10 smart plugs lol

[wintry crow]

For beginners, I definitely recommend one of these https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07G9S55XD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00

Still use it regularly now

[forest edge]

yea see

[wintry crow]

Ridiculously cheap, but temp control and pretty decent. The one I got was a couplo £ more but came with 4 different tips

[forest edge]

that isn't bad

[tidal bronze]

I am pretty passionate about soldering. You gotta do it right or get someone else to do it. 🙂

[forest edge]

13 bucks, comes with multiple tips

[fervent atlas]

Got source for this @fervent atlas?
@orchid rose my own vacuum did that

[orchid rose]

Oof, that's not great

What exactly happened? How bad was it?

[fervent atlas]

the fan was all charred inside, I cleaned it up so it "sort of" works until a replacement part arrives

but there's plastic missing obviously so it's Loud

[tidal bronze]

@fervent atlas you sure you didn't have stuff stuck?

[fervent atlas]

yes, there was no debris inside, the direction of fault was obviously by spinning

[tidal bronze]

Been running turbo 1.5 years or more. Got 3 units that run turbo daily. Not a single issue.

[orchid rose]

still it should have safeguards for that

[tidal bronze]

S5 current drain sensor is iffy at most. S6 load sensor is too sensitive.

Although the load sensing is there, S5 is not great at it.

On load sensing I prefer the S5 over S6 any day. Shit is always complaining about getting stuck on thick carpet.

@fervent atlas what's your total cleaning time on that ?

@last plaza thanks again. Now these will last much longer 🙂

[last plaza]

sweet!

[fervent atlas]

about 40 minutes almost every day for two years

[tidal bronze]

And the total cleaning time?

[fervent atlas]

I've flashed the firmware somewhere in between

[tidal bronze]

Oh

Since flash?

are you running dust cloud or stock ?

[fervent atlas]

stock

will tell more about the failure in a bit

[rain swift]

someone suggested I get this one to learn with.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NJ27Q19/?coliid=I1R9DFYI4NLCVL&colid=269Z3N7U2YWVE&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

what say you, soldering masters.

[wintry crow]

I think all smart vaccuums should have 1 of these fitted

https://www.banggood.com/WIFI-1080P-IP-Camera-P2P-Wireless-IR-Cut-Security-Camera-Night-Vision-p-1408071.html

[tidal bronze]

TS-100 @rain swift

[wintry crow]

Just cos it looks like a lil robot dude

[rain swift]

ts-100 what?

[orchid rose]

I think he means get a ts-100 instead

[rain swift]

https://www.amazon.com/UY-CHAN-Programmable-Pocket-size-Acceleration/dp/B01MDTO6X7/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=ts-100&qid=1583088911&sr=8-3

?

[orchid rose]

Ye

[rain swift]

I see they have different tip options, which one is the best for what we do? soldering nodemcu's and what not.

[orchid rose]

I'd love to know that as well

[tidal bronze]

The one that comes with good. If you are good with timing and max temp TS-C4 is my fav tip

[rain swift]

maybe one of the experts will chime in

sweet

[tidal bronze]

I prefer the TS over this even https://www.hakko.com/english/products/hakko_fx801.html 😉

[rain swift]

so B2

yeah that thing is getting into welder territory lol

[tidal bronze]

No before TS came along those were much needed.

[rain swift]

ahh

whats a good way to practice, find an old vcr and just practice soldering stuff to it and de-soldering stuff off of it?

I don't wanna trash a bunch of ESP's haha

[orchid rose]

it's not like esp's are expensive

[tidal bronze]

I rarely recommend YT for technical stuff but check out Rossmann videos. He is very good specifically the technique

[rain swift]

yeah but still

Louis Rossmann ?

[tidal bronze]

Yes

[wintry crow]

For amateur tips also yt bigclive

Always entertaining

[tidal bronze]

lately he's been nagging too much. YT monetizing is getting to him as well 😉

[wintry crow]

Yeah but Rossmann realty and Rossmann renovations have been good lol

[tidal bronze]

lol yep I liked the store search in NY. That's one tough customer to deal with

[wintry crow]

And Eugene was a cock

[tidal bronze]

🙂

[rain swift]

haha

[tidal bronze]

I closely watch RIGHT TO REPAIR deal.

[fervent atlas]

So. It appears the fan had deformed a little bit at first due to heat, in all likeness. The deformation caused friction, which turned into more heat. The ABS had blackened, and the deformation alone suggested the glass transition temperature had been passed.

[forest edge]

too much money on the other side with too many closed meetings

[forest edge]

unless you are a norwat then there is only a 16% to live

[rain swift]

yes

with that free healthcare lol.

they see you in 3 months to test for virus.

[wintry crow]

I do need to start checking notifications, am going to Warsaw in 3 weeks so best make sure there's not a big outbreak there

[orchid rose]

I've lost poker hands with 0.05% chance so....

[tidal bronze]

I gotta fly to Singapore on Tuesday, debating now.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze yup your gonna die

[wintry crow]

Fortunately I can hit all countries I need to work in from my home office. Which just means I'll die alone 😄

[last plaza]

@clear ferry love the randy marsh character!

[tidal bronze]

Not a single mask on amazon prime LMAO

[forest edge]

mask, go with the hazmat suit

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze not the best time to travel!

[tidal bronze]

And then there's this guy

[wintry crow]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Surplus-Nuclear-Biological-Chemical/dp/B00PYZQDIE

[last plaza]

even the hospitals are not getting enough masks to do their job

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza I agree. 😦

[clear ferry]

@last plaza agreed, the wife says he reminds her of me

[last plaza]

LOL

[forest edge]

if you haven't gotten one of these, don't go lol https://www.natlenvtrainers.com/uploads/page-images/HAZMAT-Protective-Suit.jpg

[clear ferry]

[last plaza]

@clear ferry a.k.a randy marsh! 😂

you have a little stan then!

[clear ferry]

[last plaza]

or shelly if it is a girl

[tidal bronze]

17 hours no smoking and when you land corona, that will be epic!

[orchid rose]

Oh a smoker as well. Makes it even worse...

[clear ferry]

@tidal bronze you should check out Swedish lip tobacco for long flights

[forest edge]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ec/58/42/ec5842c7de3b5c7d572c4bf70f089cae.jpg

[orchid rose]

It's so healthy we banned it here atx 😄

and probably the rest of EU?

[tidal bronze]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/northern-californian-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-in-first-us-case-with-no-link-to-foreign-travel/2020/02/26/b2088840-58fb-11ea-9000-f3cffee23036_story.html this makes me not worry too much. Unknown origin is always comforting.

[clear ferry]

@orchid rose yeah, only Norway and Sweden allows it

They have something similar in the us

But not quite

[orchid rose]

We're drug trafficking it from Haparanda...

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

as federal officials tried Thursday to fix the faulty testing process that has hamstrung their ability to track how widely the disease is spreading. aka every other person who was tested negative but was infact positive and sent on thier merry way lol

[orchid rose]

containing it doesn't seem to be going too well anywhere

[forest edge]

they already announced 40-60% of the population of the US won't be able to avoid getting it

[tidal bronze]

This is crazy. Was supposed to be there in 2 weeks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5oK87iBv8E&feature=youtu.be

[orchid rose]

We had some school classes and a football team quarantined today after a student was tested positive. His/her mother already was tested positive earlier and the kid had shown some symptoms but went to school and practice anyway

[rain swift]

It's all fear mongering, they don't do this with the flu, don't feed into it.

[forest edge]

it's a disease

crap that alters your genes is stuff i tried to avoid regardless lol

[tidal bronze]

They are saying 12 to 18 months for vaccine.

Hopefully we will have something left of the stock market 🙂

[rain swift]

After I stopped taking the flu vaccine, I stopped getting the flu, you can keep your vaccine.

Only time I've ever had pneumonia in my life was after I got the shot once, never again.

[forest edge]

all the vaccine does is remove the flu like symptoms tho lol

[rain swift]

Vaccines are a huge business, there's a reason politicians and media are fear mongering. They all have pockets to fill.

Or give you the thing they are supposed to prevent.

[tidal bronze]

You are supposed to get some symptoms at times, basically you are taking a mutated strain of what the vaccine is supposed to prevent 🙂

[forest edge]

watch just like small pox after x amount of years this crap will cause some horrible mutation and the population will be split between humans and mutant

joking of course

but, you bet your bottom dollar it will make you susceptible to crap you otherwise wouldn't be lol

[tidal bronze]

Vaccines do work. We don't appreciate them now much and people clamor against the flu shot although history tells us a different story. http://polioeradication.org/polio-today/history-of-polio/

[forest edge]

lol kind of makes me wonder how all those people who think vaccines causes autism are gonna treat this lol

[tidal bronze]

Well there is always that 1 in million case that can lead to autism but that does not mean, as a whole it's a shit show, on the contrary saves millions of lives

I guess it's cool to stand up against the norm. 🙂

[forest edge]

i'd still avoid trying to catch it

[forest edge]

all of it changes your internal makeup so not one part of it is good lol

[wintry crow]

That mom needs her internal makeup changing...

[forest edge]

another century and we'll be so mutated on the inside we might survive the vacuum of space lol

[rain swift]

yeah okay

[wintry crow]

Yeah but tbh in another century we'll be so plugged in and integrated with tech we'll all be weedy runts, barely able to walk

[rain swift]

lets do this, please explain why the government in the US has a vaccine court, who's soul job is to PAY OFF PEOPLE who are injured by them and makes them sign papers that they can't say anything? And those funds come from stolen tax dollars NOT the vaccine companies? Suckers born every minute.

https://youtu.be/tW2rc859sxE

the information is out there in front of your face, look into instead of running around calling everyone a tin foiler hatter as if the godamn government isn't full of criminals.

[forest edge]

wait, your anti-vax?

[orchid rose]

oh no, I think we're on the slippery slop to banned topics here

[rain swift]

who have been caught doing all kinds of fucked up things and then admitting to it.

its not politics

or religion

its science

[last plaza]

Guys - restrain please.

I am going to start kicking if not

[rain swift]

ha

[wintry crow]

Dads speaking in his stern voice, so play nice...

[forest edge]

@last plaza you mean like the floor under your chair?

lol

[last plaza]

@forest edge you haven't experienced me kicking you yet - you keep doing, you will see it soon 😛

[wintry crow]

Awesome, my dog likes kielbasa. Does that mean shes gonna be farting all night now?

[tidal bronze]

Yikes hopefully flight won't get cancelled https://www.facebook.com/6352578678/posts/10158234382783679/?d=n

[clear ferry]

I want to see The Skavala in action

[last plaza]

lol

[orchid rose]

tag mods atx

[clear ferry]

@måds

[last plaza]

finally the temps are raising up - 45F today, all the snow on the ground melted!

[clear ferry]

We got snow last night

Now it is melted

[last plaza]

saw that... can't wait to fly my drone in the summer!

[clear ferry]

Or most of it

[last plaza]

if it is warm enough, I can put my cars out and start to work in garage

need to build a cnc this year, no clue where to start

[clear ferry]

I'm taking a day off on Wednesday to clean out my garage

Too much shit in there

[last plaza]

why take a day off when you can "work" from home 😂

work from garage 😛

[clear ferry]

And need to start to plant my tomatoes

[last plaza]

from seeds? we stopped doing it - too much work, we just buy plants

[clear ferry]

I work from home enough already, I just end up getting more stuff in my calendar

[tidal bronze]

Yep gotta to get my tomatoes going as well.

[clear ferry]

Right now it is 6 weeks full

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza plants easier.

[clear ferry]

@last plaza yeah from seeds, I like to try different ones and cross polinate

[last plaza]

if we have cali weather, we would be growing tomatoes all year long

[tidal bronze]

I grow when I feel like it lol.

[last plaza]

most of the plants dont survive in winter weather here

[tidal bronze]

I am trying so hard to get my hands on my own Guava, but the wild rabbits always win. They look at me with MY fruit in their hand like WTF? Oh well.

[last plaza]

😂

I saw some bags that you can wrap around the fruits, so that birds and rabbits can't eat them

[tidal bronze]

Maybe I should try that. I pick 1 or 2 good ones and give it like a week and then shit goes missing.

[clear ferry]

I have a lemon tree, it lives in my garage in winter

[last plaza]

we have a lot of rabbits, but they seem to get their food elsewhere

we have a lime tree, we have to bring it inside for the winter....

[tidal bronze]

@clear ferry

Lemon

[clear ferry]

I have apple, cherry, blueberry, blackberry, raspberry, redcurrant, blackcurrant and figs in my garden

[last plaza]

@tidal bronze nice!!!

[clear ferry]

And a big strawberry field I grew from seeds

[last plaza]

wow!

[clear ferry]

@tidal bronze mine is only 1.2 metres tall

[civic tulip]

Evening everyone, which channel would be best to ask a question relating to disappearing addons?

[last plaza]

#add-ons-archived

[clear ferry]

It's right there, in the name

[tidal bronze]

@clear ferry that's awesome man. Loads of fruit.

[clever mortar]

I think most folks just turn up and ask rather than reading the channel names ...

For sure almost nobody reads the topics in the channels.

[clear ferry]

@tidal bronze doesn't bear much yet only 2-4 years old

[last plaza]

I wish there is a way we can highlight or change background color for the channel description

[clever mortar]

<BLINK>

[last plaza]

makes people to look at

[civic tulip]

Thanks, I had a look and was thinking addons though i thought it was more of a HA issue as everything disappeared lol

[clever mortar]

Then #330944238910963714

Take your pick 😉

Just, not here...

[velvet horizon]

The topic of this channel is:

For chat around things that aren't Home Assistant related, like whether Docker or Kubernetes, or Celcius or Kelvin, or Celcius or Celsius, or anything. NO POLITICS or RELIGION and BE CIVIL to one another or get BANNED permanently.

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[tidal bronze]

I got lemon, grapefruit, orange, guava and pomegranates

[last plaza]

@civic tulip no worries! this is our general struggle, not just you!

[clever mortar]

Every hour of every day... well, some days anyway 😄

[clear ferry]

Every five minutes you mean

[clever mortar]

Time is variable

A big ball of wibbly wobbly, timey wimey stuff

[tidal bronze]

@last plaza my battle is with dude. Everyday !

[last plaza]

lol

have a sensor and do some crazy things to scare him away

[tidal bronze]

Few families crossover with babies or else I kno what to do. Lol

[last plaza]

actually they are afraid of Owls. If you get an Owl from the garden center, and keep placing it at different locations, they get scared away

[fervent atlas]

invest in a bow, bow hunting is surprisingly legal in many places

[last plaza]

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Easy-Gardener-Garden-Defense-Action-Owl-8011/203112120

[fervent atlas]

and you can turn it into a hobby where you make arrows and eveyrthing

[clear ferry]

Reminds me, I should buy my wife a bow

[clever mortar]

To make it easier to "discourage" the door to door sales folks?

[fervent atlas]

also pretty sure an outdoor cat of a suitable breed can remove rabbits in an efficient yet cute manner

[clear ferry]

@clever mortar I've already had the same two JW on my door three times since Christmas, they definitely don't take the hint, but no, she wants to try out archery

[clever mortar]

Archery is fun 👍

[clear ferry]

@fervent atlas Australians will be if no use at all atleast