yes it looks as tho tediore is ree'ing for no good reason
#the-water-cooler
forest edge
steel urchin
that's what i see
dull bison
Hello folks
hushed basalt
It's a shame bezos is a barstard
Amazon in theory has the potential to make the world better
forest edge
@clear ferry this just came out for ya this year right? https://youtu.be/szdbKz5CyhA
midnight adder
Which os do you guys use if you are running home assistant in a docker container?
hushed basalt
@midnight adder Ubuntu is probably easiest
midnight adder
Ubuntu server?
It's a lenovo thinkcentre m92p
I want to set up home assistant on it.
hushed basalt
midnight adder
Ok
midnight adder
#announcements yeah I think I was half of those
stray spire
oh hai
Is there a structured file of supported devices including their features? Something like https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Laptop/Lenovo
clear ferry
There was a disturbance in the force
Debian or suse 4 lyfe, but compared to Ubuntu even Hannah Montana Linux might win 
tough igloo
#ubuntuorbroke
clear ferry
🤢
clever mortar
@stray spire No, but #hardware-archived would be where to ask about specific non #zigbee-archived or non #zwave-archived devices
clear ferry
No noobies allowed in my room
clever mortar
FreeBSD 😉
boreal pewter
clever mortar
clear ferry
Sles over rhel anyday
jagged mantle
would someone mind explaining prod os and why only those three are recommended?
ruby mauve
Is there a channel that works for 'micro server suggestions' or some other such? I'm having a hard time deciding on my first micro adventure into having a very low wattage 'server'.
clear ferry
Only idjits run bleeding edge unstable os in prod is a good start @jagged mantle
stray spire
@ruby mauve Intel NUC? check out /r/homelab
clear ferry
If it can't fit atleast 256gb ram it ain't a server r/gatekeeping
Or since we are in 2020, let's upgrade that statement to 512GB
ocean mirage
If it serves...
clear ferry
That by chance runs a service
ocean mirage
this started as semantics
hushed basalt
My recommendation was for someone to run something for their home
Enterprise appropriate and a novice guy running linux on a SFF pc are two completely different things
clear ferry
hushed basalt
What would you use as a base image in a docker container
clever mortar
Whatever OS was appropriate for the application 😉
clear ferry
clever mortar
I've personally used Debian, CentOS, and Alpine
clear ferry
Probably Debian as a goto
clever mortar
Yeah, Debian is my preferred choice
orchid rose
my "server" has 2Gb of RAM atx 👀
clear ferry
Anything
jagged mantle
my part time server got 8gb and an old hard drive 😂
fading zodiac
hmm
I'd like to stick with HassOS (or w/e its called now) as i have on my pi
I do have this old laptop tho
jagged mantle
i accidently managed to break my old laptop when i tried to remove some aluminium foil stuck in the charging port
clear ferry
That almost sounds like a Darwin award in the making if it only was high voltage
jagged mantle
if i wouldnt been so stupid i would have kept the parts
or maybe i have the circuit board still out in the garage
worth a look maybe
ruby mauve
I've been looking into Intel NUCs, and just a J4105 (and J5005) motherboard (due to 4 SATA ports).. or maybe the AsRock A300 - But I worry a bit about the wattage on that, and only has 2 SATA. Would be nice to one day replace my NAS with it, but even then 4 SATA is pushing it.
Idea is to make a couple of VMs for Pi-hole, Ubiquiti, Home Assistant, and some other bits. It'd just be on a shelf somewhere, mostly ignored physically.
Would like something with an m.2 for OS, and 4-6x SATA.
Have been looking at HomeLab, HomeServer, and all those other Reddits - Most of the time they just end up going "But get this 90-500W server, it's great!". Sadly electricity is ~€0.33 kWh here, a server like that would double my yearly usage.
Essentially just replace all my small shattered units, NAS, NAS, Nvidia Shield, RPi, etc., and combining them into one - I don't need loads of power, neither of those above really does much more than the Pi.
... also I'd be able to use the 3B+ for my 3D printer :p
.. that was more text than I was aiming for.
boreal pewter
Intel nucs suck
clever mortar
My home server is nominally 450W, and idles at significantly less (under 50W)
ruby mauve
They're fine for low power and small footprint and all such.. but expandability is near 0
Was thinking something like https://www.proshop.dk/Bundkort/ASRock-J5005-ITX-Bundkort-Intel-Apollo-Lake-Intel-Onboard-CPU-socket-DDR4-RAM-Mini-ITX/2681420 possibly
But no m.2. And 2018 tech.
boreal pewter
Im in germany, we also pay a lot for electricity. I built a Deskmini A300 with Ryzen 5 3400g and Set my electricity to 2800kwh
orchid rose
most nucs only have one sata as well, right?
ruby mauve
Well.. Is Intel.. So 2012 tech with a lot of plusses
Aye, 1 SATA, some has 1 m.2 + 1 SATA (and I think I saw one with 2 SATA, don't hold me up on that though).
boreal pewter
Deskmini has 2 m2 + 2 sata
And again you dont need much local storage
It's 2020
Cloud called
clever mortar
You could build your own relatively easily, that's what I did. There's no shortage of cases out there that'll do for a NAS (hot swap etc), and then you can add a motherboard (and if necessary PCIe card) that suits
ruby mauve
I like the deskmini, I worry a bit about idle being +20-30W though. Was thinking the 200-240G, or maybe the 3000G.
Yeah, I don't really like having my data in the cloud :)
Is why NAS NAS! :D
boreal pewter
That's retarded
ruby mauve
That is your opinion, and you're free to have it.
I don't like Google (etc.) having the option to leak and look into my data.
orchid rose
disks will use quite a bit of power as well iirc
clever mortar
It's perfectly valid to not want to store your data on the cloud
ruby mauve
I prefer leaking it myself :D
boreal pewter
The cloud is probably much more secure for dataloss than your 10 local copies and it is YOU who has to encrypt it
Simple
clever mortar
Cloud is great, if you have the bandwidth for it, and reliability
ruby mauve
Yeah, I know @orchid rose. Most of the time they're not spinning though.
clever mortar
For the other 95% of the world, not so much 😉
ruby mauve
I'm very aware of what the Cloud is, you don't have to explain - Is fine.
Also, none of my NAS'es got internet access anyhow. So, it'd be physically stealing it.. And so be it. I've accepted that. Or fire or whatever.
boreal pewter
If you dont encrypt you still dont need to argue about security at all
ruby mauve
In either case, Cloud is not what my question was about ^^
boreal pewter
Deskmini is still better than any NUC
orchid rose
Modern cpus are pretty good with power savings. Are you sure about the 20-30W in idle?
ruby mauve
And I know, Deskmini has 2x m2, and 2x SATA. But also lacks any possibility of expanding (though I did see a m.2 to 5x SATA adapter, weird one that.
clever mortar
I'd have a browse of https://www.mini-itx.com/store/ to get ideas of the possibilities of building your own. The form factor is generally pretty low power, and you can spec it really low power
ruby mauve
I've been looking at so many reviews and wattage and what not else, your average J4105-5005ish NUC idles at 6-12W, the DeskMini with a 3200G was ~30W on the wall.
And yeah, building my own is why I looked into just getting something like the AsRock J5005-ITX motherboard, and going from there. ^^
orchid rose
oof, that's a pretty big difference
ruby mauve
Yeah, and keep in mind - It only really has to replace a RPI3b+, I don't need the massive power that a Ryzen may offer me.
I did for a while think of replacing my 1800X with a 3950X, and using the 1800X in that server.. Buuuuut.. I'd never be using that power.
And yeah, I really love what the DeskMini has to offer, been looking into it several times ^^
Oh yeah, and all of these lacks ECC support, which kind of sucks as well (DeskMini included, though Ryzen supports it)..
clever mortar
If you can get a board that supports low power CPUs that's worth looking at. They cost a bit more, but they run a lot cooler, draw less power, and generate less heat
boreal pewter
Well if you have a low end usage just use low end components. I think i just saw yesterday or so a Deal for a refurbished i3 Desktop for 79€ here in germany
ruby mauve
I did look into the Epyc 3105-3151, which looked REALLY interesting.. Just.. Can't find them anywhere. (4-16c).
Issue with i3 is the same as with the DeskMini (except for more ports) - wattage.
And there's the Atom 16c CPUs.. like, 16 bad cores.. But I'm not entirely sure about that.
Maybe I'm just asking for too much :p Just need to learn to settle.
boreal pewter
SC Apps die there
clever mortar
The Asus P10S-I supports 25W CPUs
You'll find lots of similar options out there if you look beyond just desktop motherboards
clear ferry
Low power usage 🤢
clever mortar
My own server has a 25W Xeon...
ruby mauve
I've been trying - and while I'm a massive nerd in the desktop computing hardware market, then server-like stuff is things I've not spent too much time with, which is probably where I'm having issues ^^
Did also look into a HP E ProLiant MicroServer Gen10.. But they use AMD Piledriver-generation tech, just feels ancient by now :p
clear ferry
Gotta get that 400w tdp @clever mortar
clever mortar
I like a low noise home server 😉
ruby mauve
My PC does fine with hitting those 400W+, and keeping my apartment all nice and warm during winter -- I don't need it from my closet-server as well ;D
clever mortar
Once I can justify putting a rack in the garage though...
ruby mauve
Is the other option, just getting a NUC or DeskMini (which I know got looooads more power than those weak NUCs), and just keep one of the NAS'es running :p
I really do like that machine, small and sexy.
clever mortar
But, does it have 8 bays 😉
ruby mauve
It has 2! Kinda!
boreal pewter
No I have unlimited cloud 😂
clever mortar
You and your clouds
ruby mauve
I like my HDDs in my NAS, where I can't hear them. Did take all of them out of the PC though, all SSD silence<3
But yeah, I'll try to look more into the Xeon stuff, or maybe that low-watt Atom server line. And again, see if I can find those Epyc 31x1-line ones (cause those sounded really neat).
Something like: https://www.amazon.com/SuperMicro-M11SDV-4C-LN4F-Mini-ITX-Motherboard-Processor/dp/B07QNSD877
Thanks for the help and thoughts! ^^
hushed basalt
clear ferry
boreal pewter
👌
strange vapor
@clear ferry Seeing as this is what happens when you let Norwegian's have human contact... https://www.thejournal.ie/bin-lorry-dublin-court-charged-liffey-norway-4996301-Feb2020/
clear ferry
The fire has subsided you say?
ocean mirage
maybe slightly
Drove through lots of burnt country today, it was really strange
super foggy and lots of green that has flourished since it burnt
such contrast
clear ferry
wispy chasm
Took the plunge.. ordered a 3D printer 😄 What can I print? Anyone done anything cool in home automation world
wispy chasm
That's project
1
Main reason for getting one was to print cases for the cc2531 (if they ever work), but wondering if anyone else has re designed cases for anything else? PIR's etc?
wispy chasm
Ooh nice. I like the idea of mounts for google homes.
hushed basalt
Wedges to mount PIR sensors in corners
wispy chasm
I was thinking about that.. perhaps taking the 'stuff' out of a PIR and printing a moulded corner unit which fit snug into the corner and blends in with the wall
hushed basalt
TBH a simple wedge and after a week you'll never notice the PIR again
Just like everyone with normal security PIRs in the corner
wispy chasm
Yeah I guess.
Think I'm going to have a go at printing a robotic arm, with some servos and arduino. For maybe a gimmick automation of sorts.
wispy chasm
that's a good idea.
hushed basalt
Make them nice and sleek
wispy chasm
Ordered an ender 5 so I'll have 300mm printing height. Which is cool.
wispy chasm
Ooh, I need one of those actually.
wispy chasm
Some good ideas here 🙂 I like it.
hushed basalt
Vacuum cleaner adapters
Ie use generic vacuum cleaner nozzles with your proprietary vacuum hose etc
Soldering workstation
Think of what you do in your home that is the most frustrating
Or the thing which looks the messiest
boreal pewter
The mirror when I Look at it
wispy chasm
😄
Wires under my desk.. that's an idea. Can print some cable tidy hooks
It's all about using $15 of filament to fix a problem instead of spending $5 on the item from Amazon 😄
low harness
Well, at least that's $4.9999 less to Jeff...
...unless you buy your filament on amazon...
strange vapor
@clear ferry Surprised you don't have one already!
There's one of the lads here who's massive into 3D printing to the point where his "printer" is now a full on CNC machine with lots of extra tools for sanding, drilling, polishing etc.
ocean mirage
You discord full time
clear ferry
On company time you mean
ocean mirage
But yeah it’s a lot of fiddling if you like to tweak for best results
Work from home, print all day
strange vapor
@ocean mirage I don't have a 3D printer, but I use a local service to print out stuff for me. Have made some of the stuff from the Notes and Volts youtube channel 😄
ocean mirage
I don’t know that channel, what kind of stuff?
strange vapor
For example, a small DAW controller using the teensy board (similar to Arduinio) with better support for acting as a USB device.
strange vapor
Also made a small Granular Synth, but in that case I used a cheap ass metal case and just printed the label.
ocean mirage
I follow a dude who prints speakers and stuff, interesting science
Oh that’s cool though
I looked at printing services before buying and they are pricey here
But the good thing of owning one is experimenting for little cost
strange vapor
Don't have a pic of the end result, but while figuring everything out, it looked like this:
clear ferry
😂
ocean mirage
Looks simple enough, nice
strange vapor
Most of the magic in that was in the code on the arduino. Other than that, the main issue was figuring out the opto isolatar for the MIDI
Going to redo it before long to add a MIDI output so I can record the positions of the knobs. ie, record real time fiddling and play it back 🙂
hushed basalt
@clear ferry tell work you need a 3d printer
For client rapid prototyping to deliver value to market quicker
strange vapor
@hushed basalt Not enough buzzwords in there...
hushed basalt
Tell them it's for kubernetes
hushed basalt
Kubernetes io blockchain machine learning value driven marketing automation lead in delivery funnel 3d printer
Cloud
Iot
I've eaten 3 meals in 3 days
Gastro is great for weight loss
And fluid loss :/
clear ferry
Is it a diet?
hushed basalt
Stomach flu
clear ferry
Ooh, haven't had one of those in..... 25 years
hushed basalt
Got really bad stomach flu last year
Tore through the whole house
Mothers groups bringing their sick kids even though they know their contagious
Plus had the bubs 1st birthday party last weekend. So both times have been caused by sick people joining groups
clear ferry
Last time I was proper sick was atleast 20 years ago
hushed basalt
Well, Norwat and human contact
clear ferry
Pfff, we are huggers
hushed basalt
You probably wash your hands better than Australians
West Australians are really bad hand washers
hushed basalt
Eastern Australians are better hand washers but shy pee'ers
ocean mirage
What is a shy pee’er
clear ferry
You
hushed basalt
People who line up to pee in a stall when there's a wall full of empty urinals
ocean mirage
Oh yeah you ain’t wrong
hushed basalt
When I was in Melbourne I saw that so much
clear ferry
While Norwat people just whip it out
clear ferry
ocean mirage
lol
hushed basalt
Can't be worse than drinking Emu Export
clear ferry
strange vapor
midnight adder
this is so cool!
https://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/ad70335eeef6d167bc36fd3c04378048
strange vapor
rain swift
I saw that this morning, what a dick move.
I kinda wanted one, but now I see they are the apple of the car world so f them.
I also don't like the car company being able to 100% control my car remotely.
bet you every tesla is CIA back doored
soon it'll be oh you're running from the cops, remote engine kill
last dirge
#tinfoilhatthings
scenic radish
Y O I N K
low harness
While the risk is very real; is there anything indicating this was intentional from Tesla's side?
scenic radish
yep
When Alec asked Tesla customer support about this, this was their response:
Tesla has recent identified instances of customers being incorrectly configured for Autopilot versions that they did not pay for. Since, there was an audit done to correct these instances. Your vehicle is one of the vehicles that was incorrectly configured for Autopilot. We looked back at your purchase history and unfortunately Full-Self Driving was not a feature that you had paid for. We apologize for the confusion. If you are still interested in having those additional features we can begin the process to purchase the upgrade.
last dirge
sounds like this is an edge case they haven't ironed out yet
hushed basalt
Seems like Telsa should just eat their fictional money for features they never would of got paid for those instances
And leave the features as be
And save all that money on an audit
strange vapor
Someone in another channel mentioned that by some wording on the T&Cs, you're technically only licensing certain features from Tesla, and it's up in the air as to whether that license transfers.
rain swift
It wasnt an edge case, they are charging you a licence fee that they don't want to transfer and as far as I know that is up to them, though there could be laws in some places against it.
clear ferry
@valid halo the Toyota iq would be good for you
rain swift
They should make it abundantly clear to people that the features are licensed and non transferrable.
If I buy a Dell with Windows on it, the license goes with it, Tesla is just being money grubbing douchebags.
It must have A Sim card, pull it out, no more updates lol
scenic radish
We've noticed your car hasn't checked in with us in over 48 hours. As stated in the owner's manual, if the car cannot check in with Tesla's servers for 72 hours, the car will enter lockdown mode and will need to be unlocked by an authorized Tesla technician.
clear ferry
Oh god I hate people who talk in a rising pitch for each sentence
valid halo
These days we own nothing and are just generously licensed things by companies
ocean mirage
Give them a few sentences and they will leave the audible range of frequencies
clear ferry
scenic radish
clear ferry
peak breach
In all fairness on the Tesla issue… Those driving functions are being actively developed, which means ongoing cost to Tesla — which from what I've heard, is struggling a bit more than most of it's competition. I'm not saying they need the money, Elon could just give toss his weed budget into the company and it'd be fine. But, you shouldn't be surprised that an actively evolving feature is leased, and likewise, for it to be pulled, if you haven't paid for it. What exactly are you expecting to happen on the next bug fix? Do you expect then to patch the bugs, separately from adding new features, just to support you who isn't even paying for the feature? I don't like the transition, myself, but… I also don't see a better alternative.
clear ferry
Tesla 🤢
scenic radish
But...if the feature was included and advertised with the car when he bought it, it was included with the price of the car. Just like "free shipping" really isn't free, it's just included in the cost of the item
last dirge
if it's a license, it should stay with the car
clear ferry
It's a shitty car to drive imo
last dirge
have you driven one?
clear ferry
I've driven three
last dirge
in the past year or so?
scenic radish
If there was something about the license not being transferable (and that's legally enforceable) then that's the way out
peak breach
If the car was resold, and that feature was sold with it, then, that's the seller and buyers fault, to be honest. That's something people are just going to have to get used to when buying these new computer on wheels cars.
clear ferry
Common rental car in Norway, and multiple colleagues have one
I had a s 2019 rental last year
peak breach
I'm sure at some point, there'll be a "transition mode" for reselling… Assuming they don't pull a Sonos.
last dirge
there's been pretty significant software changes in the past 3-4 months
clear ferry
Won't help with shitty seat comfort and handling
forest edge
https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/675346289981915166 < this is our future. why cloud shit sucks. why those who work within the circle of cloud should feel very ashamed.
last dirge
@clear ferry have you driven a 3?
ocean mirage
I just hate the idea of paying musk lol
clear ferry
I used to drive a 20 year old A8, i would pick that any day over a s or x
last dirge
land yacht
clear ferry
@last dirge no, those would be worse I would Reckon
Heck my 15 year old Volvo V70 is more comfortable than a Tesla
ocean mirage
You can’t use the nausea emoji against atx, he invented it
last dirge
the seats in my car are very comfortable, on par with the Vaders that were in my E36M3
forest edge
disfigured by it
clear ferry
Yeeeeeeeeees
forest edge
molested by it
clear ferry
Speaking of ugly foiling cars in Norway, this is what I was talking about earlier Brian
🤢
last dirge
it's a VAG car this time too 😉
clear ferry
They do it with everything German, but 60% Tesla
wispy chasm
I wrapped my car a while back... tbh, it looks better than that though, so I'm forgiven 😄
I went for satin pearlescent white
forest edge
I don't like wraps cause its a guarantee have to redo at some point no matter how much you try and baby it.
wispy chasm
They're guaranteed for like 7 years nowadays.
And the paint underneath is like new.
The only downside is... the mrs opened the passenger door against a wall, and I had to pay money to have the door re-wrapped. So you have to be more careful.
strange vapor
I can go and buy a car from the 50s and still get spares. Wonder will Tesla still be offering updates, even for security, on current cars in 20 years, never mind 70....
strange vapor
To be fair, that's not just an.issue with Tesla.
dull chasm
experence talking @scenic radish ?
dull chasm
as long as its not steve ....you ok
wispy chasm
I'm lucky.. mine doesn't like going in that car... it's "too fast and aggressive!" So, when we go out together she drives and I get to drink 😄
wet pilot
my wife added a nice scar to the liftgate by leaving it open and trying to close the garage door
scenic radish
oof
scenic radish
ughhhhhhhhhhhh
forest edge
lol
scenic radish
that sux
forest edge
still better than when they remove a mirror or two pulling into a garage
wet pilot
lol
scenic radish
oof. i saw one of my neighbors do that while backing into their garage
admittedly, the garages in my complex are extremely narrow
i don't have one though so i don't care
forest edge
my grandmother use to clip the mirrors so many times my grandfather actually removed blocks out of the frame of the garage door right where they fall out to cut down on future issues. garage looked dumb as hell but worked lol
urban owl
Sorry, new here. Where do I post upgrade problem issues?
scenic radish
how did you install home assistant?
wet pilot
#330944238910963714 or #672217570283094017 depending on your install method
urban owl
Via python -m pip install. ....etc
scenic radish
dusky plank
I see lots of reports that the big commercial vpns are not trustworthy, has anybody some recommendations? I would like to go with Protonvpn but I have not figured out how I really want it to be setup, in general I would like to turn it on/off on demand...
wet pilot
could probably get a cheap vps somewhere and run your own 😛
dusky plank
true that ^^
but I have no experience what country would be best suited / if my traffic is really protected then...
I mean, I have to pay the vps somehow...
can somebody recommend me a vps somewhere? 😄
scenic radish
i run pivpn lol
peak breach
Running your own is the only way to have a safe VPN. That said, ExpressVPN I think it is, claim they're unable to log your connections, or something? And have been 3rd party verified, yada yada yada. Not sure I entirely believe, and even if it's true, a "do not discuss" warrant can still change that at any time.
dusky plank
@peak breach thanks for the info, but since I am in the EU I believe Protonvpn (based in Switzerland) is still a solid choice for me... it's the same company as protonmail if you know anything about them...
but yeah, I would love to run a vps on my own but where? I found some cheap ones in Ukraine but I believe there are better ones 😄
scenic radish
buy a pi and install pivpn
dusky plank
I believe just running a vps on hetzner in germany in combination with protonvpn would be the best option for me, albeit a bit expensive
@scenic radish can I send you the ssh password and you help me setup the addon? plz 😄
dusky plank
hahahaha
thank you but pivpn won't help me much in protecting my traffic at home from my ISP 😛
forest edge
gets out whip for Tediores FORBIDDEN_DISCUSSION
scenic radish
i wasn't
scenic radish
indeed. i'm liking my pivpn setup
dusky plank
yes I like openvpn too but I like wireguard more now.
clear ferry
Pi🤢 VPN
forest edge
pivvpn is openvpn lol
scenic radish
yup
clear ferry
🤷
forest edge
your a goofy goober!
clear ferry
I prefer to connect to my internet facing connection and not something inside, gotta terminate on the perifery
forest edge
what you guys don't havve global sponge bob emoji's? now i'm shocked lol
scenic radish
dusky plank
scenic radish
forest edge
ew
clear ferry
scenic radish
the emoji in the background lol
clear ferry
scenic radish
heck off
dusky plank
see, in these situations I would like to have my traffic protected
scenic radish
pivpn
dusky plank
pivpn
scenic radish
🇵 🇮 🇻 🇵 🇳
clear ferry
Pfsense with openvpn 
clear ferry
scenic radish
dusky plank
clever mortar
I'm slightly disappointed nobody recommended Wireguard...
It's not longer an absolute nightmare to install
clever mortar
A bit faster
Last I checked the docs were finally not shit but still not awesome
I still have both configured, so that when one fails because I did something stupid I can fix it remotely 😛
scenic radish
Hmm. Mayhaps I shall try it out, mayhaps
clever mortar
Once you wrap your head around how different the setup is, it's actually pretty good
scenic radish
I'll have to take a looky-poo
clever mortar
Oh, and somebody built a UI for the server, though I've not yet tried it https://github.com/subspacecloud/subspace
clever mortar
If I was setting up more than a few accounts I'd script it, but .... it's for my devices only, and I can't be bothered 😛
scenic radish
Lol that's fair
deep merlin
Hi guys! Home assistant no longer records probe historians, etc. Has it ever happened to anyone, does anyone know how to fix it?
tawny pebble
Guys i have a problem with HA.
My pants get wet everytime there's an update, it excites me more than Deadpool movies. How's that possible?
forest edge
people in #the-water-cooler can't fix things, we only break things here
mild moss
hi
i am looking for some server to run ha , it cirrently runs on my computer in docker
so i look for small x86 cheap silent server
any idea?
clever mortar
.topic @deep merlin
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
mild moss
haaa
clever mortar
As for your question, scroll up a while 😛
There were discussions about NUCs and stuff earlier
deep merlin
@clever mortar ok sorry
last dirge
NUC if you buck, boy
tidal bronze
Taking forbidden topic for a spin. It's Friday😄
scenic radish
FORBIDDEN DRONE
clever mortar
That'd be a discussion for #672217570283094017 or #330944238910963714
clever mortar
Could just require a reading test... 😛
fallow galleon
I just thought it's suitable here but ok
clever mortar
.topic @fallow galleon
velvet horizonBOT
last dirge
@tidal bronze did you take a picture of the drone with another drone?
scenic radish
last dirge
yo dawg
clear ferry
steel urchin
heh our office had a lil obsession with drones for a bit
there were probably about 5 others that were mid combat at the time 🤣
scenic radish
battlebots action?
was this you @clever mortar ? 
three attempts in less than a second
🚀
clever mortar
If it was me, I'd already be inside your network 😉
tidal bronze
If it was me, I'd already be inside your network 😉
@clever mortar feisty today 🤣
clever mortar
I have ... form
scenic radish
*always
tidal bronze
@steel urchin fortunately that's what we do all day 😄
forest edge
his is the small one he got at the dollar store
I had a choice between an 8k drone and a 9k atv.. i went atv
clear ferry
Btw
scenic radish
good call sonoma
tidal bronze
clear ferry
You guys should see the first post order guy in Norways website
I ordered from this guy back in 1995
forest edge
@tidal bronze is that table size lookin thing a drone?
tidal bronze
Yep. 53lbs
forest edge
holy hell
last dirge
gigantor hexicopter
forest edge
@clear ferry looks like someone scanned a magazine like car trader onto a website lol
tidal bronze
@forest edge most are purpose built, we deal with mainly industrial gov stuff
forest edge
what is that drone used for quad? does it have a specific purpose for it's size? like one of the first amazon delievery drones? lol
last dirge
is that a POV helmet next to the controller?
tidal bronze
Don't do POV, FAA for commercial MUST be LOS
steel urchin
do you use airmap/hangar?
forest edge
some naughty stuff on there @clear ferry lol
tidal bronze
@steel urchin not really. Most are GOV don't need to use any of that
steel urchin
i know they do a lot with gov't stuff
They're here in Austin, I run into their CTO often, was just curious
tidal bronze
Wish I can say exactly how. Basically they run their own Geo systems
forest edge
I still think flying something like this would be a little more fun but i've heard they can be real hard to learn to fly at first. https://www.rchelicopterfun.com/images/Heli_Size500pics.gif
wet pilot
choppers are weird birds
tidal bronze
RC helis are the real deal 🙂
forest edge
I couldn't do a plane, i'd lose sight of the thing way too quick lol
tidal bronze
drones are joke when it comes to flying skills
forest edge
I had a friend who's uncle that had one of those expensive gas rc helicopters. was like every other sentence had something to do with how expensive it was and fragile it was lol
tidal bronze
yep you fix more than you fly. But that's how people should start so they respect these things. Not rely on GPS/Vision position hold. Lol
forest edge
lol
steel urchin
most drones are a joke, because they have auto stabilizing typically built into the controllers... but if you look into the racing sector (and others), they typically race without stabilization, so it's literally fully controlled by them
tidal bronze
yes AKA rate flying 🙂
forest edge
the concept of ai drone flying is neat, but then the concept of ai controlling anything is neat. the only reason I'd ever considered buying a drone was to be able to survey my farm while sitting on my ass but with the range i needed ect it just wasn't cost effective lol
if I had i would have tried like hell to do some some kind ai sweep lol
tidal bronze
Fixed wing would be the answer. We don't use multirotors for large areas.They suck at energy management. You can do about 80 acres in 40 minutes with a plane.
odd hill
Hey guys. What's everyone using for ZLL control? Smart Things, Hue Gateway, or something else?
Use case is Gledopo RGBCCT controller if that helps narrow down the responses.
forest edge
yea but your limited with a plane on what you can see, i needed to be able to look at fence lines ect
@odd hill may wanna ask in #zigbee-archived
odd hill
Will do. 🍆
tidal bronze
If you take control you can fly pretty low. Loads of farms use them for precision ag
forest edge
they able to fly that slow?
tidal bronze
Not slow. Low. Lol
forest edge
most planes I seen are always zipping through
lol well even low, not sure how they see breaks in fencing lol
tidal bronze
Depends how skilled you are.
tidal bronze
AG uses it not for fence lines. Lol NDVI soil moisture over/under fertilization
forest edge
yea, see i rent out to the farmers, i could give two shits about the crop condition.. only care about the border line, pond conditions and buildings lol
tidal bronze
Then large slow rpm multi would be the answer for you. They run 40 to 70 minutes.
tidal bronze
Yes on Excel sheets
forest edge
that blows. 70 mins wouldn't get me halfway around lol
good thing i went atv then
cause i would have returned that 8k drone haha
tidal bronze
Most list specs in optimal conditions.
Windy day and you are pulling your hair out. Lol
forest edge
lol
tidal bronze
But MIT is working on lipo plus 2 stroke gas hybrid, 4 to 6 hours power delivery. Keeping fingers crossed.
forest edge
yea this was abttery drone, i keep forgetting they do make gas ones
brisk glen
oooo... ubuntu core might be a go now
looks like the docker snap bugs have been fixed 😄
midnight adder
docker is evil
brisk glen
and before @clear ferry goes 🤢 ... docker dam well deserves to be isolated
ubuntu core is resistant against power losses
forest edge
nothing is resistant against power losses lol
clear ferry
🤢
brisk glen
Oh, you can definitely make things resistant to power loss
clear ferry
Like any other OS can be 🤷
brisk glen
Too much work
forest edge
you can the hardware resistant to power loss through apc/ups lol but the data is a roll of the dice no matter what lol
clear ferry
Not really in modern computing
forest edge
nothing is flawless
clear ferry
Last time I saw data loss with power loss... 16 years ago
brisk glen
It’s one of those you can have a power failure during an update / upgrade
On a pi?
:p
clear ferry
Pi is so uninteresting it's ridiculous 😛
forest edge
so are cherries yet we endure
brisk glen
Lol
clear ferry
We never have power losses during upgrades anyway because we usually have controlled shutdowns and battery banks that can last hours, and cache batteries that can last days
forest edge
thus why it's been 16 years lol
brisk glen
Can you say the same about your IOT devices
forest edge
unfortunately quality comes into play when refering to those as well
clear ferry
Exactly, your trivial SBCs are but fleeting shitboxes 😛
forest edge
when the world ends atx, a pi will be what's left running you mark my words
brisk glen
That’s what Ubuntu core is for lol
clear ferry
It's easy to hook them up to multilayer resilliance though
brisk glen
Those shit boxes
forest edge
we'll be carrying a rpi100 into that data vault in norway to retrieve all the information there after all those machines died out lmao
thing will be the size of just an esp32 chip lol
last dirge
woooo
someone's getting taken to the woodshed at work
they nuked the crontab file on a production server
scenic radish
ohhhhhhhhhhhh shit
clear ferry
@forest edge if you only saw the boxes I saw behind five door layers of EMI 
scenic radish
...how?
clear ferry
A few kilometres inside and below a mountain
last dirge
@scenic radish best the ops guys can tell someone logged in, switched users, edited the file and something screwed up
they just grabbed it from the backup off of the SAN
brisk glen
That’s easy to do...
last dirge
but I'm betting that we'll get more locked down on those boxes now
last dirge
so yay
brisk glen
Checking who did what on proper enterprise grade switches is easy
last dirge
not when the enterprise doesn't have individual users and disallow login for shared accounts
brisk glen
Not having 1 guy manage all of your switches tho
clear ferry
@last dirge who needs LDAP when you have administrator
wet pilot
wireless headset. I usually do the dishes or laundry
forest edge
and help others with templating all at the same time!
this looks to be one ambitious project. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/dwains-theme-an-auto-generating-lovelace-ui-theme/168593
forest edge
blame frenck, he posted it lol
last plaza
last dirge
wooo, 60 hour invoice
hushed basalt
What sort of work @last dirge
last dirge
software
hushed basalt
Development?
last dirge
yep
full stack java
@hushed basalt I'm guessing you're a evil or substandard telco technician
😉
or a technician for a evil or substandard telco
last dirge
haha
hushed basalt
I kid I hate all software equally
Except for traefik. Traefik is the worst
Do they pay you in like 30 Days EOM after whenever they feel like it? :D
wet pilot
That's ok, software hates you
clear ferry
forest edge
russian voice: in norway software hates you.
clear ferry
hushed basalt
In soviet russia software licenses you
No wait that's Trump's big brother net finding all those immigrants
clear ferry
I still laugh when I talk to old collegues who worked in DEC, and they tell me about if systems were suspected to be purchased by proxy to USSR they would ship them with errors and slower cards 😂
strange vapor
@clear ferry Wasn't there the case where they know pipeline control software was being nicked, so they slipped in a bug. Caused a major explosion in the pipeline
strange vapor
smoky oak
is there anyway to figure out what file, line item, etc is causing a WARNING in the logs?
I've removed all of the "hide_if_away" from known_devices, and most of the warnings went away, but it still shows up 2 times, as if its present somewhere. I've checked every file I can see
velvet horizonBOT
smoky oak
oh, apologies, still getting used to discord. I now see the topic
forest edge
discord has like one of the worst topic locations and size. very easy to miss and overlook even if you used discord since the start lol
ocean mirage
yeah I basically don't see the topic unless I think about it
smoky oak
it blends right into the already busy UI
hushed basalt
You have to swipe from right on mobile
And you have to magically know that it's there
tidal bronze
You gotta love the Nvidia shield.
forest edge
I don't get it
forest edge
I don't get what the picture has to do with a shield lol
am kind of curious wtf that thing on the right is lol
forest edge
thats neat. this a showroom or something?
hushed basalt
Fun fact. When you have more than 99 tabs open on chrome android, the number of tabs icon changes to a :D
forest edge
of course, they generate ad revenue for each tab. you just made them happy
hushed basalt
I love it when people say "I don't care if such and such tracks and monitors me, all they'll find out is I love surfboards"
tidal bronze
Just when I thought unifi shd was good enough, come across 10g displays. 😜 @forest edge
scenic radish
I don't care if Comcast monitors me, all they'll find out is my very specific taste in porn
Oh shit
peak breach
Don't know about Comcast, but you've got me curious, now…
forest edge
@tidal bronze wait thats in your home? i'm confused lol
tidal bronze
Work/home same difference. Testing some stuff.
forest edge
I don't care if Comcast monitors me, all they'll find out is my very specific taste in porn
then when they saw this this they never bothered to go back.
scenic radish
Good lord
forest edge
it looked like a finger when I looked it up
forest edge
I love those gifs lol
jagged mantle
Just corious, what is the time for you guys or girls right now
tidal bronze
5:18pm Friday
forest edge
it does netflix, can't you see the button? lol
I read something about that tube version of the shield is suppose to be like completely worthless lol
scenic radish
20:18 Central time
forest edge
or 8:20pm to every other american
tidal bronze
green inlet
Corona Virus?
rain swift
yes
hushed basalt
clear ferry
forest edge
ok now i want to try turkish ice cream
clear ferry
@tidal bronze I need to get more into opera, I usually only end up in space operas 😂
tough igloo
I’m looking at moving to something like opnsense or pfsense or I don’t even know. Any good recommendations?
dull belfry
@tough igloo What do you want?
tough igloo
A software solution to replace the features of my router
dull belfry
Well, pfsense or opnsense is overkill for home use. You know that right? 😄
hushed basalt
Tomato is good as it gets for cheap open source router solutions
dull belfry
I don't know opnsense much but PFSense has the ability to install packages. You can do stuff like VPN, IPV6, analyze traffic and stuff
I used to have PFSense for learning networks. Now I have a home grade router with custom firmware (dd-wrt).
tough igloo
No worries thanks for the tips. I have Merlin running on my Asus router but maybe I’ll try tomato
dull belfry
@tough igloo Maybe check out home lab on Reddit. They also have a Discord server
tough igloo
Thanks!
hushed basalt
You're looking at a good chunk of chain for pfsense hardware
Compared to my $30 router anyways
hushed basalt
Watching the first episode of His Dark Materials
This looks like a good show
See Picard, this is what a good show looks like
scenic radish
🦗
pure vine
Saw this in Halfords today, just pinged their twitter to see if they have an API for it
hushed basalt
?
pure vine
It's like a car tracker
hushed basalt
Ew I wouldn't touch a cloud car tracker with a 10 foot pole
I'm sure Vodafone would love to have all your car telemetry data
I'd get something open that lets you keep it all entirely in your control
scenic radish
that's pretty cool
clear ferry
@tough igloo pfsense 4 lyfe, best regards from a long time user
@hushed basalt nice, I subscribed
hushed basalt
To what?
clear ferry
Autopi
@scenic radish my wife busts me in eating cherry sours whenever I pass the kitchen
Because my tongue turns red 
I don't know if it just me or it happens to everybody, because the wife doesn't have it, whatever I drink or eat sticks on my tongue until it is abrasivly removed
If I drink coke my tongue is black all day 🤷
ocean mirage
That’s definitely not common
light trout
wierdo...
ocean mirage
We knew that
clear ferry
Haha, it's been like that my entire life
Any colour just sticks
Probably the same genetic abnormality that gives me this enormous less than average IQ
clever mortar
it's hard to be humble
When you're perfect in every way
hushed basalt
Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart,
The beauty of me is that I'm very rich
We have a 5 billion dollar website. I have so many websites. I have them all over the place... I hire people... it costs me three dollars💩 💩 💩 💩
I wonder how long I can talk entirely in verbatim Trump quotes
clever mortar
Cough Politics cough
(but, "talk" is pushing the definition of that word)
clear ferry
light trout
lets not go further with that.
hushed basalt
Tinkerer is the benevolent dictator :D
hushed basalt
Splitter
clever mortar
Benevolent 🤔
Nah, but I'll agree with the other word 😛
hushed basalt
Anyone running their own CA for SSH
clear ferry
I need to look into that
clever mortar
It's pretty awesome, because you can even create SSH keys that provide access to specific accounts
flat lintel
steel urchin
Imagine a world without patents
smoky oxide
that would be scary
forest edge
imagine a world without greed
dusky plank
clever mortar
That looks like a thing you should be posting over in #frontend-archived not here 😉
ruby mauve
@boreal pewter
Say Anon. You mentioned you had theA300 DeskMini. Ever had a problem with it where attaching the backplate causes it to refuse to boot?
I did go out grabbing one of them, after I found a m.2 to 5x SATA adapter - in case I want more drives. However, it's been a complete pain to work on.
Put cooler on top - no backplate, just resting - After 10-30 tries you get it to boot, and after it's booted the first time it consistently boots - however, that first time has to be with 1 stick of RAM, after that first boot you can do another. I've reseated everything, cleared CMOS, battery out, etc.
Put backplate back on, and all progress is wiped.
Even managed to install Proxmox on it just fine, after I got it up. Backplate on - Nada.
Urgh. Think this thing is going back to the store. Oh, also, getting the CPU out requires a razorblade, pretty sure the release mechanism is borked.
brisk glen
@ruby mauve ever considered one of your sticks is bad or slightly out of spec for that board?
I had a client setup and ran a server for months without rebooting, rebooted and went OMG all of my data is gone.... wrong mount... was writing everything to ram
ruby mauve
With or without RAM, the front LED doesn't even turn on, zero activity. Once the LED lights up it works fine, and memtest showed nothing (proxmox).
brisk glen
Ill take it off your hands 😛
ruby mauve
It's 12 hours old :p It's going back ^^
The case it came in did have a wrinkle in one of the corners, my guess is that it was dropped, and something cocked up :p
brisk glen
heh
ruby mauve
Am going to try a new one, I do like the platform/Size.
brisk glen
it looks like a good deal
ruby mauve
You get a whole lot for your money. 120W power brick, 2x m.2, 2x SATA, cooler. The SATA was what was holding me back - but with 2x m.2 and being able to concert one to 5x SATA.. That won me over ^^
brisk glen
yah, it looks like a really nice do it yourself nas
ruby mauve
My idea is using it for a couple of VMs, see how it plays out. I saw tests showing an idle draw of ~6.5W, topping out at about ~80W while maxing everything (2400G, though I got a 2200G).
But, I do wish to swap my two NAS'es out with it as well.... once I get it working ^^
brisk glen
not bad
amber bramble
effffff crappy telnet interfaces
ruby mauve
Wanted a low power NUC (J4105-5005), but none of them came with an m.2 slot. Anyway - gotta scoot. Need to pick up people.
amber bramble
websockets 4 lyfe
clear ferry
Telnet, what is this ? 1984?
clever mortar
I still see TFTP too
clear ferry
Sure, I have moved on to scp for firmware on switches though
🤢
But tftp is very hardy
And atleast it doesn't give you full admin in most implementations
Or passwords
brisk glen
But it’s broke...
amber bramble
if if ain't broke
clever mortar
it's very broken
forest edge
nah
amber bramble
^ what @brisk glen said 😂
clever mortar
It's been broken from the beginning
amber bramble
atleast the implementation I'm dealing with is very broken
forest edge
you just gotta work within the issue, not around it
brisk glen
If it ain’t broke.. it will be soon
clever mortar
SSH is calling
amber bramble
I have to interface with a lighting control system for stage lighting... it has a telnet interface you can connect to and issue commands or query
clear ferry
SSH started calling 20 years ago
amber bramble
each command returns data in a different format and it doesn't escape things
so if you have a scene programmed in it with a "-" in the name all kinds of stuff breaks because "-" is the delimiter in the list of active scenes
brisk glen
🤢
amber bramble
and it tells you it's done sending data for a command with a blank line, but there's other places where it will use a blank line in the middle of the output...
brisk glen
Get your Chinese vendor out of here... I deal with enough of their A/V bullshit at work
What do you mean the serial number is not burned into the A/V switch?
The things I see....
forest edge
you see? you mean create? 😝
amber bramble
yeah its pretty terrible
boreal pewter
@ruby mauve no had no trouble. I have the best cooler around for it, the Noctua one
Mh Sound like you got a package hero there
ruby mauve
Wasn't so much the cooling parts of it, it was mostly just the whole "backplate = no boot" part of it - Noctua or not ;)
steel urchin
@amber bramble I had to do some handling of similar fashioned data. It sucked, had to have a small buffer to compare, and a message TTY so messages weren't caught up in said buffer
forest edge
|| @scenic radish 🤏 ||
forest edge
if tediore dosen't get his daily fish or pinch, he gets cranky and noone wants to deal with that
scenic radish
False
small cairn
storm summit
google : home install how install custom component
rough remnant
Holy smokes this discord is a madhouse
rough remnant
Compared to what I had in mind for "Home assistant discord"
green inlet
Tediore apparently likes gifs
rough remnant
I am not a normal person apparently, when faced with a wall of GIFs i have no idea what to do with myself
green inlet
When human speech/text is reduced to a 3-5 second pic/video......not sure what we have become
But to each is own
rain swift
@green inlet So you're a hit at parties?
green inlet
Actually, yes, because I can converse
green inlet
On my account? Really?
wet pilot
lol someone woke Tedi up
scenic radish
wet pilot
green inlet
That just might be realz
wet pilot
Tedi IRL
green inlet
Something has been lost on our young’n
wet pilot
also Tedi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFkzRNyygfk
forest edge
he is acting a little weird today. maybe he got scarred yesterday lol
green inlet
“He was always the nicest person, never bothered anyone. Stayed to himself. Would have never guessed he couldn’t deal face to face with people in public”
forest edge
he did something bad and tried to blame someone else for it
rough remnant
Is pdobrien tedi? Im new here
scenic radish
@forest edge that's...so not true lol
scenic radish
@wet pilot Sonoma posted emoji porn in this channel
Which was promptly removed
He thought a certain...member was a "finger"
wet pilot
woops
rough remnant
I love what discord is used for... from home automation to willies
rough remnant
Tru that I guess? I in IoT and I just started with home automation XD I hate consumer IoT gear
It sucks butt
I just discovered HA and I like Im not connected to anyones cloud
Spin 'ere up on a pi bu'b
scenic radish
Careful. You're getting close to FORBIDDEN TOPIC territory in this channel
Someone's gonna reeeeeeeee you
wet pilot
someone == you 😛
scenic radish
FUCK
rough remnant
Aha, got it.
wet pilot
people who want to win arguments
rough remnant
Fair enough
forest edge
people named Kelvin
green inlet
And Kelvin’s siblings
wet pilot
also people who like linear scales
green inlet
Maybe his parents
@rough remnant , welcome to the fold. No one really means any harm and everyone of these people,will help you when it is time. Great community.
If I help you, I will prob do more harm than good
wet pilot
and we're only actively assholes to each-other in this channel. only passively elsewhere
green inlet
🤣
rough remnant
Oh yeah, great group, I just quit my job and have been just at home working contracts so being in a group of nerds feels good.
And so far its been a very helpful group
green inlet
Nerds?
rough remnant
I posted a config file, and after seconds of starting at it realized im an idiot in fron tof everyone in #hardware-archived so feelsgoodman
green inlet
Lmao....I only play a nerd on discord
rough remnant
I knew I was a nerd when I was in my fathers basement with a vat of chemicals etching circuit boards when I was 13
Clear indicator
If you get wet for Docker...
U know ur a nerd
wet pilot
lol nice
green inlet
Now I can’t use my arrow to do a post
green inlet
Move on, nothing to see here
I was going to f with you about getting wet over docker
And use an ⏫
But @wet pilot got in the way.
But he is one of the good ones 😉
rough remnant
Oh, lmao
green inlet
Nighty nights boys.