#the-water-cooler | Home Assistant | Page 414

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 8:36 AM

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We're like frogs slowly being boiled though

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Not an overt take over

ocean mirage Jan 1, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Lets just anyone intelligent to just up and leave

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 8:49 AM

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I think they do

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When I was in Amsterdam I met a guy in the airport

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Said he left Straya 25 years ago and never went back

ocean mirage Jan 1, 2020, 8:52 AM

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I would strongly consider doing it if I were employable

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I have a job that I doubt I could match elsewhere

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 8:53 AM

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What are your skillz

ocean mirage Jan 1, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Discording 9-5

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 8:53 AM

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What is your job?

ocean mirage Jan 1, 2020, 8:53 AM

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I do web dev work but like....im no expert and any real web dev will interview better than me

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like I know I can work on that shit but theres been a lot going on

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leaving would simplify things though, catch 22

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 8:54 AM

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You can't work as a full-time eye of the beholder player?

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I could probably get a job in most European countries within a month, or the us branch within a week, but meh, Norwat PedoBearD

ocean mirage Jan 1, 2020, 9:12 AM

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I don't speak European

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 9:17 AM

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That is no issue

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All Europeans speak English

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Except French

light trout Jan 1, 2020, 9:17 AM

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And norwegians, whan there is other norwegians near

ocean mirage Jan 1, 2020, 9:17 AM

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And what makes you think I speak English

boreal pewter Jan 1, 2020, 9:18 AM

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They're just in the EU because too scared to be invaded again

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 9:27 AM

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What sort of development do you do Whiskerz

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I'd go full language immersion if i visited another country again

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 9:32 AM

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@light trout what do you mean, I even speak Swedish with other Norwegians nearby jerryWhat

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 9:32 AM

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Learn how to say "I'm trying to learn your language, please forgive my attempts but don't talk english to me"

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 9:32 AM

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@boreal pewter we aren't in the EU WeeWoo

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 9:33 AM

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He might have meant the French

light trout Jan 1, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Common behaviour @clear ferry

ocean mirage Jan 1, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Mostly just front end stuff and half of what I do uses products designed so 'anyone' can do web dev

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so my practical experience is patchy

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Do you know react

ocean mirage Jan 1, 2020, 9:43 AM

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nope

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Upskillz?

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Master the force Luke

ocean mirage Jan 1, 2020, 9:48 AM

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One day

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 10:38 AM

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soon

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What do you want to get into

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@ocean mirage

ocean mirage Jan 1, 2020, 11:29 AM

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Oop was playing some metro

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I have no idea, I dont think about it much cause my job is stable and its fine. Who knows if I would move either way

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I dont really dream of work

midnight adder Jan 1, 2020, 12:13 PM

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@hushed basalt - I moved from USA to Finland 20 years ago because I wanted to have kids and raise them in a violence-free society

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 12:15 PM

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How was it podz

midnight adder Jan 1, 2020, 12:44 PM

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pretty much went as expected

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a few school shootings in 20 years, but nothing like the bi-weekly happenings in the USA

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 12:45 PM

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But had to learn one of the 10 hardest languages in the world 😂

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Saatana PedoBearD

midnight adder Jan 1, 2020, 12:46 PM

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hehe, I doubt finnish is in the top ten list but yes it is very alien to an english speaker

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 12:46 PM

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It is very alien to most

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Only language it is related to is Hungarian

midnight adder Jan 1, 2020, 12:47 PM

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not true - estonian is very close to finnish

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i've never studied estonian but I can somewhat parse it when reading

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 12:49 PM

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True, but it isn't really a seperate language imo, it is like saying Swedish and Norwegian is different, I would rather say variations 😛

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Semantics though

midnight adder Jan 1, 2020, 12:52 PM

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the main thing that causes problems for ango-germanic speakers with finnish is that it is an agglutinative language

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 12:53 PM

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All the different Kasus is what gets me

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Other than that it is quite easy to read at times

midnight adder Jan 1, 2020, 12:53 PM

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meaning that instead of using prepositions, there are postpositions added on to the end of words and there are 17 cases so an infinite number of postpositions can be added on to any word

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with english, your mind can parse in binary mode. with finnish, it requires bayesian parsing mode.

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 1:16 PM

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Yes exactly

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And the order of sentences

plain raptor Jan 1, 2020, 1:17 PM

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What do you guys use for alerts / notifications on your phone?

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I integrated my garbage schedule and am attempting to send some kind of push notifications based on a state of an entity

orchid rose Jan 1, 2020, 1:20 PM

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I use Pushbullet. But this is probably a #330944238910963714 question

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 1:20 PM

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Speaking of Finland

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Mr Perkele himself @orchid rose PedoBearD

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 1:28 PM

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What's Norwegian like,

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For english speakers

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Norwetian I should say

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Plus I'd have to deal with your snow storms

orchid rose Jan 1, 2020, 1:31 PM

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It's in the same language family as English (Germanic languages)

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 1:32 PM

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🤪

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I found Dutch very hard to comprehend

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I'm not sure how that compares

orchid rose Jan 1, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Dutch is the single ugliest language I've heard

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it's like German, but spoken with weird throat noises scattered in every few syllables

last dirge Jan 1, 2020, 1:35 PM

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gaelic has entered the chat

orchid rose Jan 1, 2020, 1:36 PM

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at least gaelic sounds exotic 🙂

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 1:39 PM

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Like, French or Welsh

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They're different but they sound the same as English, fundamentally,

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Dutch was just like

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https://media.tenor.com/images/3509065d648eec14be932945f1f64425/tenor.gif

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 1:43 PM

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I've had many collegues who have come from different countries

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They all say the same

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Norwegian is very easy

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And forgiving

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 1:46 PM

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🤔

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But... No Amazon prime

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How will i buy moderately priced goods with 5 day "free" delivery

light trout Jan 1, 2020, 1:49 PM

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We don't, we overpay and wait too long

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 1:51 PM

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We don't even have Amazon non prime

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But now they have started shipping some stuff here

light trout Jan 1, 2020, 1:51 PM

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That will probably ends now, when they have to compute taxes before the sale

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Amazon is an interesting beast

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A seller pays the storage fees, packing and shipping fees,

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And then amazon charges a user the shipping fees as well

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Unless they pay amazon for "free shipping"

orchid rose Jan 1, 2020, 1:52 PM

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Why doesn't Amazon deliver to Norway? You are in ETA, right?

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 1:54 PM

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I miss like 5 years ago

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Usd was worth 0.90 aud

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No gst/imports under $1000

light trout Jan 1, 2020, 1:54 PM

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We have some strange import rules, which most foreign companies don't want to comply with

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 1:54 PM

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So you could buy like $1050 of stuff from US without paying US state tax, imports or gst fees

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Now it's like 70 cents to the usd. And there's GST and fees

light trout Jan 1, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Our limit for that was $35, now it's $0 :/

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 1:56 PM

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So $500 usd becomes $850 aud very quickly

orchid rose Jan 1, 2020, 1:56 PM

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I thought you couldn't add any of that stuff in the ETA but I guess it's just EU then

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Yeah ours is $0

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Maybe Norwat just needs to become an island state :D

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Like north korea

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 1:57 PM

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@light trout 0 from 1st of april

light trout Jan 1, 2020, 1:58 PM

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Oh.. nice 🤷

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 1:58 PM

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And it is vague what products really

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I read two different government documents

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And I still don't understand if random goods from AliExpress are affected

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 1:59 PM

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The sellers have to collect the tax here

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So if you buy something from amazon.com, amazon charges you the taxes

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Unless it's over $1000 aud value, then it's just.. expensive

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Can easily be a good 20-25% on top

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Mostly anything to Norway of value will be minimum 25 on top

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Lovely

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I'm sure your local retailers and distributors have loopholes to minimize the tax

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Or eliminate it

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Plus their volume and trade discounts

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It's likely they pay $35 for something they sell to you for $100.

orchid rose Jan 1, 2020, 2:09 PM

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the VAT in Norway is 25% so there's not much you can do to go around that other than to sell from outside of the trade area and hope the customs don't tax it

scenic radish Jan 1, 2020, 2:09 PM

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I've never heard of Norway, do you mean Norwat?

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Plus the company of that product refuses to list it for sale to your country outside of those distirbutors

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😁

scenic radish Jan 1, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Also, damn, abode throwing shade at ring lmao

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hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Ooph 25%

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I guess you don't need to spend $500/month on health insurance that doesn't provide much though

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And maternity leave

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Do you have toll roads though?

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The whole data, privacy and analytics abuse from all these IoT devices is like a, well duh moment

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I should just mute my google homes though. They're getting more useless I swear

orchid rose Jan 1, 2020, 2:13 PM

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I don't know about Norway but most nordic countries don't have tolls. The bridge between Sweden and Denmark does, so it's possible that some tunnels in Norway would but I doubt it

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 2:13 PM

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No tolls in my state

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But the rest of australia has them

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It's all very... Capitalist

pure vine Jan 1, 2020, 2:14 PM

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And on fire

scenic radish Jan 1, 2020, 2:14 PM

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en fuego

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Why use public funds to build a tunnel for a couple of billion, when you can collectively spend a couple billion every year to have someone else do it for you :D

light trout Jan 1, 2020, 2:15 PM

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We have that everywhere, too many of them @hushed basalt

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Too many tunnels? :€

light trout Jan 1, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Tolls

scenic radish Jan 1, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Same

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 2:15 PM

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In Norway?

light trout Jan 1, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Yup

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Ew

pure vine Jan 1, 2020, 2:16 PM

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We get private companies to build bridges, let them collect tolls for like 50 years, then transfers into public ownership

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 2:16 PM

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I thought Norway was supposed to be smarter about privatisation :D

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We build public assets, then sell them for a year or two worth of revenue

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Then pay three times as much in 5 years

orchid rose Jan 1, 2020, 2:17 PM

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Hey, we decided to copy that great idea here too 😉

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 2:17 PM

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This will get political very quickly though haha

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But is it political if all the parties suck :D

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More class warfare than politics

orchid rose Jan 1, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Sold the TV network to some French company and kept the law that requires us to keep paying for it for safety reasons. Even when everyone has a 4G connection anyway

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Don't get me started on our telecommuncations network

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Time for sleeepp

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clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 2:31 PM

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I spend $2500 a year on toll roads, 95% covered by work

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Now this is weird

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Trying to call a us number

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But it won't go through

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Amazon support international should be +12069220880

scenic radish Jan 1, 2020, 2:34 PM

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I blocked your number

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 2:34 PM

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sad

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Unblock it plz yeahSoap

scenic radish Jan 1, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Lmao

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 3:00 PM

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last dirge Jan 1, 2020, 3:03 PM

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roborock FTW

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my wife is already asking if it can learn a different map for upstairs

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and I told her we'd have to get a second one and she said "we'll have to think about that"

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 3:12 PM

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I think s6 can but 2 is much easier.

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Did you get all the automations done.

last dirge Jan 1, 2020, 3:13 PM

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it just finally completed a cycle of my downstairs

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Flolevac app, if you want quick map cordinates

last dirge Jan 1, 2020, 3:15 PM

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you've got a s5?

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there's a Roborock app for the newer models

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 3:17 PM

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S5 and S6

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I don't use the app

valid halo Jan 1, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Happy 1920 everyone!

static plinth Jan 1, 2020, 3:49 PM

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So guess what, I found out that my utility has a really easy alternate rate structure that I can gain with my home assistant install

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I think it'll help me achieve a 35% reduction in my electric bill without really changing any obvious thing up as far as my habits go

valid halo Jan 1, 2020, 3:49 PM

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35% O_O

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👀

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😮

static plinth Jan 1, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Yeah that's like an extra $40 a month in my pocket

valid halo Jan 1, 2020, 3:50 PM

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👍

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That's a nice New Year Suprise

static plinth Jan 1, 2020, 3:50 PM

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So for 10% of the month my rate increases 400%

proper swift Jan 1, 2020, 3:51 PM

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how does homeassistant change your rate structure?

static plinth Jan 1, 2020, 3:51 PM

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And for 90% it goes down 50%

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I have a Z-Wave energy meter in my electric service panel

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As well as a 40 amp controller on the electric water heater

proper swift Jan 1, 2020, 3:52 PM

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oh, homeasssitant "hacks" your rate structure. 🙂

static plinth Jan 1, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Plus I smart plug on my refrigerator and dehumidifier which runs all the time

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The peak. Is only 3 hours so I can turn off my fridge and fill the insides with some thermal Mass if I need to

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So I force all the heavy appliances and my thermostat to throttle down for 3 hours a day during the week and avoid that high rate

proper swift Jan 1, 2020, 3:53 PM

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the holy grail for me has always been to see if I could take all the devices off auto, and have automation control on/off so no two large loads caused a peak.

static plinth Jan 1, 2020, 3:54 PM

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I've been doing that on this off grid house in order to get the house to operate within the parameters of the system and I've been thinking about how to monetize it and it's just a surprise that my own power company I can get a real good pay back on

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But it Fox with the rest of the Z-Wave Network cuz it's so much data so there's that

proper swift Jan 1, 2020, 3:55 PM

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the problem I have is the AC.. i'd have to keep adjusting it up and down on the multiple units to let each one run.. thats a pretty complex setup

static plinth Jan 1, 2020, 3:55 PM

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usually the time of rate structure is around where I live or design simply to increase your electric bill and not to decrease it so it's a pleasant surprise

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Well if you have a Z-Wave thermostat

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Then you just program it to run the temperature up, it's just for 3 hours and you can super drive it right before

proper swift Jan 1, 2020, 3:56 PM

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oh, yeah.. the times here are hideous. no Ihave a controllable one.. I just mean I'd have to basically write a thermostat backend that measured the house at different points and used it to control all 3

static plinth Jan 1, 2020, 3:56 PM

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But yeah in general I'd say you have to go around the air conditioning loads rather than try and synchronize them

proper swift Jan 1, 2020, 3:57 PM

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yeah well, thats pointless because it's 99% of the problem

static plinth Jan 1, 2020, 3:57 PM

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these relays are current sensing so you actually can prevent them from turning on if another one is running and so you just have to have them get in line at that point, a condition on the automation

proper swift Jan 1, 2020, 3:57 PM

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essentially, each AC unit is like.. 4k watts. I have 3. if they sync, its $$.

static plinth Jan 1, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Yup. Real hard on batteries too

proper swift Jan 1, 2020, 3:59 PM

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I think I can do it eventually.. it's just hard.

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for my problem, the refrigerator is just noise. 🙂

static plinth Jan 1, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Yeah I'm going to see how it goes coasting the air condition for 3 hours a day straight

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Total savings could be as much as 50%, minus the fixed fees

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the higher-end air conditioner units nowadays really don't like it when you kill their power supply either they be but you and send out all kinds of alerts

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 4:14 PM

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I need to smarten up my old heat pump

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That'll save me some money per year

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Probably the biggest energy thief in the house

static plinth Jan 1, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Here's my question for you gargle do you think you could go three hours without using your mini splits at all, if you're running them full blast for the hour prior

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Can't go too long without the heat pump here in winter atleast, especially when it is -30c outside PedoBearD

proper swift Jan 1, 2020, 4:31 PM

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so I have detailed measurements during the summer. The heat rises FAST

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What I used to do was over-run them leading up to the rate change, and then coast. I could make it a few hours in, and then it got bad. and it got bad right when we got home, so it was kinda non-ideal

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I mean, is it livable, sure. But my wife would be unhappy, and so would I really.. so.. I need a better way.

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I live in Phoenix

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When it's 115 out, you have to actively fight that. What is actually terrifying is watching the voltage on the mains drop to near brownout as the heat rises.....

static plinth Jan 1, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Sounds like both of you are on opposite extremes. In Phoenix it regularly gets up to a hundred and sixty F on the roof

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Rather than killing the AC you could set it to a much higher temperature and that would buy you some extra time

hidden cradle Jan 1, 2020, 6:08 PM

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so who wants to set up HA for me while I take a nap?

light trout Jan 1, 2020, 6:09 PM

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@scenic radish ☝️

scenic radish Jan 1, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Lmao

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:10 PM

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is there a good channel on this discord or any other good active ones to ask about product recommendations? I want to replace some lights I installed with some that are RGB but match the same connectors.

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Here or other is usually good for hitting lots of users with hardware non ha specific questions

scenic radish Jan 1, 2020, 6:26 PM

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And for pinching people 🤏

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:27 PM

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okay 😄 i got two questions then. Anyone familiar with the Aqara sensors from aliexpress and with homeassistant zigbee / mqtt setup do I need the gateway still? https://bit.ly/2SISdcV

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my light one was if any good rgb versions of lights like these, https://amzn.to/2F889xt, small ceiling space and already have these installed I just got way too bright of white on 8 of my 6" and 4 of my 4".

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:30 PM

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For your 6": https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F2BP9PK

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 6:30 PM

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F2BP9PK

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lol

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:30 PM

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raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Same page for your 4" too

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:30 PM

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perfect thanks guys.

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Murf, are you familiar with Tuya Convert?

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:31 PM

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do I just have to unplug that cap and wire it into the the same connector type?

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hmm I've heard the name but never read up on it much, @raven ember

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 6:32 PM

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As for aqara, do use a few of them with conbee and deconz, just another gateway. You can take the zigbee to mqtt route as well.

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@raven ember seen any 6" downlight with gimbal that supports tuya ?

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:35 PM

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so if I do the zigbee to mqtt I could just skip buying their hub? okay. Those sensors seem good but I wasn't sure. Finding things on aliexpress I always feel like I'm buying something in the back of an alley

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Yes you can skip their hub

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:35 PM

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is Tuya for the light setup?

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 6:36 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyUyewiKpRA

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Ali-Express ~= AlleyExpress

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:36 PM

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exactly haha

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 6:37 PM

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actually 6" RGBCW downlight with gimbal

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:37 PM

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So Murf, nutshell: Out of the box you rely on the Tuya cloud service to control those lights. Someone has documented how to trick them to load a 3rd party software like Tasmota or EspHome and let you control them on your local network with no cloud.

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:38 PM

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agh, okay I see.

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:38 PM

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How you want to do it is up to you. Most people prefer as much local control as possible

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:38 PM

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yeah for sure that, I just like home-assistant for the fact I can centralize controls. my Nest thermostat for that reason might be on the way out after I migrated and now can't get it back on hass

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:39 PM

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You may want to just get one and fiddle with it, see if you can make it behave in a way you're happy. Otherwise, Amazon returns are awesome

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:40 PM

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okay sounds like a good idea. doing all of my 6 inch lights that i got too bright of white and did not return in time might not be worth with the price per light too I guess. I'm not that obsessed with color light parties to need to replace.

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Quad apparently likes to party. I'm going with white dome trims for my 6" cans and color tuneable BR30 bulbs

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Are your "too bright" lights wifi dimable?

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:43 PM

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my stupid flat roof house from the 70s has no space between the ceilings. Only way I could get recessed were these slim ones. but they are dimmable it still is just, awful. haha feels like im at an office building with how white they are.

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Ah, they're too bright of white Kelvin-wise

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:43 PM

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yep 5k are the ones I really hate.

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some are 4k that im not super thrilled but are better.

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 6:44 PM

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@raven ember 🙂 Not all the time but, easy to have them ready when the need arises. BTW flashed 2 x LOHAS BR30 last night as well. I think I am done for now.

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:44 PM

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A few of the 6" ones hate the inovelli zwave switches for some reason too and blink a little when dimmed.

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Yeah, I wouldn't be happy without at least color-tunable bulbs (2700K-6500K)

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:44 PM

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yeah for sure just sucks for example those 4" ones. a 4 pack I would need is the same price for 1 of the RGBW ones

steel urchin Jan 1, 2020, 6:44 PM

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haven't seen you guys since last decade o/

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Quad, did you see the update to Tasmota 8.x?

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"Change Smoother Fade using 100Hz instead of 20Hz animation"

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Oh no. Not yet. Fade is not great as it is compared to z-wave. Did you try it out?

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:46 PM

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No, I'm getting my test BR30 out now

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Right on.

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2 x BR30 getting installed tomorrow, so I will wait for your results 🙂

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:47 PM

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I think most of the reason Fade isn't as good on some of these is that LIFX and Philips use a hardware PWM... and these are software PWM

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So here's hoping

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:47 PM

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do you guys order some of the lights you do the tasmota stuff with from alixp too? or amazon

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 6:47 PM

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Yep. You can see the ramp stepping/notch when close to the bulbs. I hate that

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Amazon here

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:47 PM

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I wanted to maybe order some for lights behind tv's monitors maybe some cabinet ones if there are some strips that would be simple enough for a noob to start learning.

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Murf, my tunable BR30's are courtesy of Walmart. Oddly, the only place I can find them.

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:48 PM

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crazy

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 6:49 PM

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These are the ones flashed yesterday https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07TMY394G

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:49 PM

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are strips easy to connect in a similar way to do some behind tv's

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ive been avoiding the phillips hue stuff

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 6:50 PM

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WLED for strips https://github.com/Aircoookie/WLED

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 6:51 PM

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https://amzn.to/36dO196 like these? is there a wireless power option so you can do it with a battery or something?

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https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/miflora/ - do I just get a bluetooth dongle for my server so I could add these to hass?

Home Assistant

Mi Flora plant sensor

Instructions on how to integrate MiFlora BLE plant sensor with Home Assistant.

proper swift Jan 1, 2020, 7:03 PM

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yay fixed my pi. I think the wlan adapter had it. threw a $5 USB one in and it just magically works now.

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 7:03 PM

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I'm going to flash these and put them in my living room, six cans there: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RZKV7FQ

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The only place I care to have RGB lighting

clever mortar Jan 1, 2020, 7:04 PM

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@wheat canyon Place to ask about Home Assistant is ... #330944238910963714 😉

wheat canyon Jan 1, 2020, 7:07 PM

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👍

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I think I just ordered enough hardware to last awhile. back to screwing up my lovelace dashboards again now. 😄 I really need to learn how to have two versions running of my home assistant to break one and the push once I get it working... still not quite there ha.

clever mortar Jan 1, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Test instance 😉

steel urchin Jan 1, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Was that the one that ssh bit the dust on @proper swift ?

clever mortar Jan 1, 2020, 7:09 PM

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I run a Pi with a test instance for testing/destruction

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Virtual Machine?

proper swift Jan 1, 2020, 7:10 PM

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@steel urchin yep. It was the wifi adapter (builtin).

steel urchin Jan 1, 2020, 7:10 PM

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i was going to suggest nic failure, but i know nothing about Pi, just 🥧

proper swift Jan 1, 2020, 7:10 PM

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such a weird error/failure mode.. but.. yeah. $5 dongle and it's happy now

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it's currently rsyncing the 6GB of pictures it took for the timelapse up to the server..

steel urchin Jan 1, 2020, 7:11 PM

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it's amazing how cheap wifi and BT dongles are these days

midnight adder Jan 1, 2020, 7:12 PM

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except USB wifi adapters that can be put into monitor mode

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 7:13 PM

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@tidal bronze The new Fade on the Tasmota 8.1.0 is really amazing. It's almost as good as a hardware PWM now

proper swift Jan 1, 2020, 7:17 PM

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rule #1. If the problem makes zero sense, it's because hardware failed. 🙂

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Thanks for the update. Going to update now. @raven ember

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Do you have any trouble mixing white with 4 channel bulb's

raven ember Jan 1, 2020, 7:19 PM

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I don't have any four channel bulbs

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... yet

tidal bronze Jan 1, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Color 255,0,0,0 in console works like a charm but HA white slider acts up when sliding.

steel urchin Jan 1, 2020, 7:35 PM

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i remember back in my highschool days doing tech bench support stuff at a retail store, and literally spent a full day on a system that would randomly just shut off.. replaced every single part in it... except the cdrom. Disconnected, and boom, everything went fine... hadn't seen it before, or since. Must of had some internal short

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Dalek

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Soon

forest edge Jan 1, 2020, 9:02 PM

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about 5 seconds from install appdaemon and saying seeya jinja lol

clear ferry Jan 1, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Jinja iLOVEyou

hushed basalt Jan 1, 2020, 11:03 PM

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Rookie mistake nfgCodex :D

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Always try a check with nothing in it except a stick of ram, cpu and PSU :D

steel urchin Jan 1, 2020, 11:10 PM

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not a rookie mistake if you need to boot off optical media

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as i said, it was random... so POSTs were always fine

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Optical media was always the worst

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I think i didn't even have my ODD plugged in for years

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Just sitting in the chassis

ocean mirage Jan 2, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Yeah I dont even have an ODD anymore

tough igloo Jan 2, 2020, 12:39 AM

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forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 12:40 AM

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oh thats cool when you mouse over that icon

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weeeeeee

ocean mirage Jan 2, 2020, 12:41 AM

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holy shit why is that so big

hidden cradle Jan 2, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Thoughts on an idiot setting up Alexa integration manually?

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Can somebody tell me if there is an adding or plugin to safe the current state of the light?

static schooner Jan 2, 2020, 1:30 AM

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#330944238910963714 , but that’s what the new scene creator is for: https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/scene/editor/

Home Assistant

Scenes Editor

Instructions on how to use the scenes editor.

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 1:42 AM

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@tidal bronze newest WLED release is REALLY unstable

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disconnects from wifi after a while

wanton lion Jan 2, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Anyone have an idea why I couldn't get a simple light to turn on with service: light.turn_on and only type: turn_on would work?

static schooner Jan 2, 2020, 2:39 AM

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I don’t understand what ‘type: turn_on’ means, but this a question for #330944238910963714

wanton lion Jan 2, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Yup, your right @static schooner

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 3:01 AM

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anyone have a dedupe image tool they prefer?

silent canyon Jan 2, 2020, 3:28 AM

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anyone run into any issues with update 0.103.5. I am just asking before diving in.

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 3:32 AM

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@silent canyon #330944238910963714

silent canyon Jan 2, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Hey Happy New Year. thanks

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Happy new year!

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 4:49 AM

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forty years later i'm at a resting point on my overly complex sensor lol

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 5:26 AM

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and what is this sensor

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 5:26 AM

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it detects Jesus

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so far only bloops no bleeps

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 5:28 AM

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🤨

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 5:51 AM

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I just bought 3 x Symphonific dials from Ikea

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Here's to hoping they make good light switches

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 5:56 AM

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why 3? what if they don't work?

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 5:57 AM

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ikea has a 365-day return policy lol

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funny story about that btw. i bought a $600 dining set from ikea, used it for 9 months, realized i didn't actually like it, and i returned it and got all my money back

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so basically i rented a dining set for the cost of the dinner that i paid for for my friend who has a pickup truck

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 5:59 AM

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they just repackage it up and sell it to next Tediore in line..

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 5:59 AM

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they put it in the as-is section

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 5:59 AM

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lol

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it's been awhile since i been to ikea, need to go back

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 5:59 AM

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to sell to the next Tediore in line

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 5:59 AM

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but not buying thier smarthome stuff cause it need hubs ....🤢

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 5:59 AM

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not if you have a zigbee stick

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Laughs in zigbee2mqtt

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Their hub is garbage

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:00 AM

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laughs in ZHA

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:00 AM

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you need to have zigbee to begin with otherwise to buy the stick is extra $$

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 6:01 AM

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I couldn't even read a motion sensor with it in HA

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:01 AM

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well, right, but you can use products from multiple brands with a zigbee stick

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 6:01 AM

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ZigBee is way better than esp etc

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:01 AM

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didn't someone say your limited on the amount of devvices you can have using zigbee?

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wasn't it like 12 or something lol

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:03 AM

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woo hoo got my livingroom setup

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:04 AM

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@forest edge i believe there is a limit to number of devices on one network but it's certainly not 12

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actually, there is no limit for zigbee

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for z-wave it's 232 devices

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:07 AM

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@steel urchin what does that consist of? everything turning off and on a second while dusty roams around attacking people's feet?

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:07 AM

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lol

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i meant to say living room audio

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:07 AM

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https://support.smartthings.com/hc/en-us/articles/208672926-Z-Wave-and-ZigBee-FAQ

How many devices can be on a Z-Wave or ZigBee network?
Z-Wave: Up to 232 devices. The controller counts toward the total number of devices on the network; in other words, up to 231 devices could be connected with a single SmartThings Hub.
ZigBee: ZigBee networks do not have a concrete limit on the number of devices. Some users may have hundreds of devices, or more, on a single network. However, larger networks will require wireless repeaters to ensure connectivity and optimal signal range and strength.

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:07 AM

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I remember someone saying zigbee was some small number like 20ish

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:07 AM

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we don't have many neighbors yet, 5 houses down someone came over and asked me to turn it down during my testing

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:08 AM

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some people here have like 50+ zigbee devices on their networks

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:08 AM

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maybe but maybe they have to have those on seperate mesh

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:08 AM

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maybe whoever said that was talking about smartthings which has a 32 device limit

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:08 AM

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oh i dunnop, just remember someone talking about it

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:09 AM

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oh nvm

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i misread that

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:09 AM

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either way not buying a zigbee stick to use ikea lol

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:09 AM

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well whoever told you is a liar

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i mean, it opens up the possibility to use other devices too

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:09 AM

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whats the averag polling rate?

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cause if they are slow to poll..

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:10 AM

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no clue, depends on device

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some push updates immediately

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others are polled

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:10 AM

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I wonder if it's adjustable

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 6:10 AM

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All the devices push I believe

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Unless they have actions, like a motion sensor

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Then they just push on action

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:11 AM

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ah right, nvm

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Other than some low level background telemetry is my guess

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:11 AM

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can you adjust the rate on ones that would report crap like temps ect?

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:11 AM

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~~they're still probably polled though if they haven't pushed anything in a while~~ probably not for sleepy devices, nvm

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that would also probably depend on device

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:12 AM

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thats what i like about wifi and mqtt, i can adjust those

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:12 AM

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i need to go to bed lol

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Zigbee2mqtt is mqtt

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:12 AM

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yea but if the device pushes your still at the mercy of the zigbee

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:13 AM

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nuh uh

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:13 AM

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why so much h8 for zig 🐝

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zigbee is love
zigbee is life

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:14 AM

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doesn't it get interference when your neighbor pops popcorn your motion sensor goes off?

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just being silly

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:14 AM

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because this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZigBee#ZigBee_Alliance

ZigBee

ZigBee is an IEEE 802.15.4-based specification for a suite of high-level communication protocols used to create personal area networks with small, low-power digital radios, such as for home automation, medical device data collection, and other low-power low-bandwidth needs, d...

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maybe this will stabilize with the whole google announcement, but compatibility and the awkward licensing has put a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:16 AM

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0.5 inch
That sounds familiar

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:16 AM

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no comment

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:16 AM

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🤏

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:16 AM

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it's cold outside..

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:17 AM

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oooooook, 1 second

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:17 AM

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I WAS IN THE POOL!

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inb4'd-ish

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:17 AM

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click it cuz imma delete it before i get my hand slapped again

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:18 AM

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It shrinks?
Like a frightened turtle.

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:18 AM

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you jerks got me in trouble last night

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Lol wut

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I missed it

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:18 AM

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you did

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honestly it wasn't that bad imo

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but, i'll oblige

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Posting media is fine in #the-water-cooler

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Or should be

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:19 AM

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no it wasn't that

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:19 AM

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posting the p0rn again?

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Oh no

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:19 AM

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no no

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:19 AM

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devtools

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what happen

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https://media.tenor.com/images/876fddf43ba5b1b8646b4410a5f310c0/tenor.gif

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:20 AM

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I gots a feeling tinkerer caught him doing something bad

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:20 AM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/5694ff5a3039bf056874478e63fe660f/tenor.gif

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So? What happen

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https://media.tenor.com/images/c04025c0da3687094eba458abe031f4a/tenor.gif

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https://media.tenor.com/images/baf2add9c51f20a300c2c70bc97b670e/tenor.gif

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Tediore all https://media.tenor.com/images/70c20ef1e1cf54c65405518a6e62708e/tenor.gif

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:23 AM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/6dbe6dc12039a3e0dddd17641a132de9/tenor.gif

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https://media.tenor.com/images/08329c58303cb5d47619c4e22c0108f5/tenor.gif

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:24 AM

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I bet his "automations" went off and it shut off all power to his house lol

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so glad I had that spare pos apc laying around after that guy came in talking about how he had to use the switch cause they lost power and the ha didn't come back up

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:26 AM

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lol if you want to know just dm me.. honestly i didn't think it was that bad

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:26 AM

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why dm, just repost it

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 6:26 AM

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oh ok, lemme just piss a mod off real quick

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:28 AM

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uh oh here comes norway..

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 6:29 AM

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angryboi

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:36 AM

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*Norwat

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 6:36 AM

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angryboi

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:36 AM

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A N G E R Y

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:41 AM

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if you could zoom out that dog would have hulk hands

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Since I have 65 paid vacation days this year I though i would be nice to my manager and take today and tomorrow off PedoBearD

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:00 AM

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did they plan this huge party?

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Party?

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ThonkEyes

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:02 AM

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you you said you'd be nice to take the two days off, didn't know if the heads up prompted party planning lol

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:03 AM

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No, then it looks to HR like I'm being responsible and starting the new year by taking days off to get rid of my excess paid days 😛

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:03 AM

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are you forced to take them?

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here you use them or lose them

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:04 AM

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Not forced, but asked nicely, we get 27 every year, the remainder roll over to next year

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Hence 65

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 7:04 AM

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Accounts payable will always want PTO exercised to get it off the books. Accounting 101: don't owe money

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:05 AM

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I haven't had 0 days the last 13 years

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:08 AM

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haha how i was talking about the state of Kansas being flat the other day https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/eisqns/is_kansas_flatter_than_a_pancake_3d_oc/

Is Kansas flatter than a pancake? (3D) [OC]

Posted in r/dataisbeautiful by u/newishtodc • 1,008 points and 234 comments

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:08 AM

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Actually my wife did a study about the accuracy of the statement

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Come to think of it

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For her bachelor's i believe

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:11 AM

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on Kansas being flat?

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Yes

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Was part of the subject fake news and misinformation

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:14 AM

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lol

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Which imo should be a subject on all primary and secondary schools in developed countries

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Think they are starting to implement it in secondary schools here now

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:16 AM

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we view it as more of an expression than a misinformation

ocean mirage Jan 2, 2020, 7:18 AM

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I think generally the governments of the world don’t want their citizens questioning the news

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:18 AM

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If enough people believe it it would be misinformation 😛

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:22 AM

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anyone who believes the square area the size of a state can be completely flat like a pancake needs to have their head examined lol

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 7:45 AM

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I've never seen a completely flat pancake

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:47 AM

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Nothing is flat in Finland

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Sisu ThinkEyes

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:48 AM

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cept for chest https://youtu.be/bcYppAs6ZdI

YouTube

Jeffrey Bosman

Ba dum tss

Ba dum tss. Post a comment with your worst jokes! You can use this sound if someone makes a lame joke, for example on a forum. Just use the embedding codes and have fun!

Also known as Ba dum tsh or the lame joke sound. A lot of people call this the rimshot, but it's also cal...

▶ Play video

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kidding couldn't resist

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:51 AM

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True story, most Finnish girls I've met are quite curvy, so no need for the drums 😛 PedoBearD

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 7:52 AM

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all the thin ones live in the cities

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further you go from helsinki, the fatter they get

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:56 AM

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farther you get from other people the less shared warmth available thus the need to pack on insulation lol

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:56 AM

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Is that why I'm so fat, nobody wants to share their warmth sad

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jerryWhat

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 7:57 AM

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you should get three dogs

ripe fjord Jan 2, 2020, 10:04 AM

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has anyone here used mqtt fans at all?

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 10:06 AM

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That would likely be a #330944238910963714 or #diy-archived topic 😉

ripe fjord Jan 2, 2020, 10:12 AM

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cheres

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 10:31 AM

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I've been soldering for 25 years, I just now realized that putting solder on a multi strain wire before cutting it is a great idea to not pickup ten strands of wire tom

daring inlet Jan 2, 2020, 10:52 AM

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So... Does anyone know of any branch circuit electrical monitors that can tie into HA stuff?

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Power meters, or something else?

daring inlet Jan 2, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Yes

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 10:54 AM

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Well, then you'd want to be asking in #330944238910963714 anyway, but there are #zwave-archived options at the very least

daring inlet Jan 2, 2020, 10:54 AM

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As in, whole home ones that you can install in your circuit breaker

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Oh I didn't mean specific to home assistant. I meant HA as in home automation

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 10:54 AM

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Yes, and still the wrong channel 😉

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Oh, well, still, this is the Home Assistant discord 😛

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And yes, there are Z-Wave options at the very least

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#diy-archived may know others

daring inlet Jan 2, 2020, 10:55 AM

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Lol okay cool

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 11:09 AM

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Pairing button is underneath a screw box

📎 JPEG_20200102_190916.jpg

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 11:12 AM

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jesus christ that is poor design by TI

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I reset my password in their web portal, use a 16 char random passord

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and when trying to login it fails

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because the login field only supports 12 characters

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 11:19 AM

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LeGaCy

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 11:32 AM

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zigbee2mqtt:info  2020-01-02 12:31:35: Logging to console and directory: '/app/data/log/2020-01-02.12-31-35'
zigbee2mqtt:info  2020-01-02 12:31:35: Starting zigbee2mqtt version 1.8.0-dev (commit #5f97f19)
zigbee2mqtt:info  2020-01-02 12:31:35: Starting zigbee-herdsman...
zigbee2mqtt:info  2020-01-02 12:31:37: zigbee-herdsman started
zigbee2mqtt:info  2020-01-02 12:31:37: Coordinator firmware version: '{"type":"zStack3x0","meta":{"transportrev":2,"product":1,"majorrel":2,"minorrel":7,"maintrel":1,"revision":20191106}}'
zigbee2mqtt:info  2020-01-02 12:31:37: Currently 0 devices are joined:
zigbee2mqtt:warn  2020-01-02 12:31:37: `permit_join` set to  `true` in configuration.yaml.

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dance

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 11:36 AM

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Though... #zigbee-archived 😛

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 11:38 AM

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don't hit dobby, dobby has sock for master tinkerer sad

calm crow Jan 2, 2020, 12:47 PM

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i am so new to home assist

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guy work was talking about it

orchid rose Jan 2, 2020, 12:56 PM

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Welcome

calm crow Jan 2, 2020, 12:57 PM

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Thanks @orchid rose

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it looks interesting

light trout Jan 2, 2020, 12:58 PM

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~~Really? how?~~ Yes it does! 🎉

valid halo Jan 2, 2020, 1:37 PM

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atxbyea

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are you being the serious?

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That sounds like something from a /r/ProgrammerHumor bad ui joke post

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It's moments like these that make me wonder if I should be easier on my self

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 1:43 PM

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The answer is almost always going to be yes

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Unless of course you're spending all day sat in a chair staring at your TV and drooling...

valid halo Jan 2, 2020, 1:45 PM

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looks down at my drool bucket

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The drool bucket is half empty. I'm doing pretty good 😄

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Not bad design on the pairing button under the cover - keeps little snot nosed brats from screwing with your systems

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 2:27 PM

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I'm always hard on myself, because I'm a dolt PedoBearD

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 2:29 PM

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also adhd people when something doesn't work immediately, they start rapidly pressing buttons and cycling through all combinations of buttons, etc

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Sounds like most of my customers have ADHD ThonkEyes

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Looks like it when I check the logs atleast PedoBearD

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 2:33 PM

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they try to show you something on their monitor and they scroll 2cm in a browser, then flip tabs 20 times before you had time to read the first thing they were trying to show you then they start alt-tabbing to cycle through all their applications, go back to tab 1 and scroll 2cm more then flip away immediately

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 2:35 PM

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I love the most non panic friendly feature in an enterprise product ever

light trout Jan 2, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Clippy?

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 2:37 PM

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it looks like you're trying to aggravate level 2 support

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do you want help with that?

light trout Jan 2, 2020, 2:37 PM

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NO!

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FIX IT

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 2:38 PM

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The HP EVA storage had arrow button on the front to do enter and escape, so only four buttons, up down and enter ESC, but if you get into the erase entire array feature the esc and enter keys change place because you are supposed to think, but then you have to confirm afterwards which means they change places again, so, if you get into the menu, and press what you think is escape then panic and press what you now though was escape again you wipe up to 240 drives

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 2:39 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/culture--think-hmm-d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY

Giphy

Identity

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 2:39 PM

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https://images.app.goo.gl/gN2SWkKsuBZ64Sav6

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Like the machine room with the big red button on one side of the doors for exit and a big red button a bit higher up on the other side for emergency shutdown

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Picture of said controllers

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All of the Hitachi storage products have an emergency power button, that if pressed break for safety

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If you press it by accident everything stops and you have to order a new button

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Love that too

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 2:41 PM

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WTF?

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That's IBM levels of 💰

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Haha yeah, it's only supposed to be used if a fire happens or something or water

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But come on

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Atleast it is behind acrylic that has to be moved

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I work with products that make it easy to justify enterprise cost, that is for sure 😛

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 3:14 PM

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@last dirge I am running 0.9.0-b1, no issues

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 3:15 PM

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mine disconnects after a while if it's idle

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and won't reconnect

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 3:15 PM

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D1 mini ?

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 3:15 PM

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no response on the API or HTTP

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yes, d1 mini

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if the lights are on it'll stay connected forever

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Last year I stopped using wemos for led. Only run nodemcu now.

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 3:16 PM

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why?

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the nodemcus I ordered were some shit version where they're exactly as wide as a breadboard

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Had multiple issues and didn't want to deal with it.

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 3:17 PM

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@peak cloud is using d1 minis I think

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 3:18 PM

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I only use D1 mini for lux and temp stuff.

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There is only 1 bug I noticed in 0.9.0-b1, if you access segments through mobile app they get reset.

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 3:19 PM

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it's frustrating

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it's like the wifi sleeps and never wakes up

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 3:20 PM

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Just try with the node

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 3:20 PM

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jUsT tRy WiTh ThE nOdE

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I'm going to flash an older version

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see if that changes anything

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there's a few issues on aircookie's repo that are related to wifi and they suggest using an older version

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 3:22 PM

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How's the signal level at the mini ?

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 3:23 PM

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good enough

raven ember Jan 2, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Quad, did you reflash with Tasmota 8.1.0?

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 3:53 PM

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I've never used Tasmota

raven ember Jan 2, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Also +1 for Wago wiring connectors

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@tidal bronze @last dirge no disconnects here either, running 0.90b1 and wemos mini d1, been on and off for three weeks

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@clear ferry are you running 12V or 5V stuff?

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 4:43 PM

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5v

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 4:43 PM

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@tidal bronze 12v or 5v?

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 4:43 PM

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@raven ember yes on 3 bulbs. Looking good. Going to test for about a week before flashing everything else. @last dirge Mix of 5v and 12v

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 4:44 PM

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on the 12V stuff are you bucking or using a separate ground-tied 5V supply?

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 4:44 PM

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bucking

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 4:44 PM

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yeah, I dunno

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no clue why it's being goofy

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 4:46 PM

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📎 20200102_084630.jpg

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Typical setup in silicone sealed Hammond boxes.

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 4:48 PM

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couldn't find an iron with a bigger tip? 😉

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@tidal bronze over here like https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71XbRUBdW9L._SL1500_.jpg

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Looks like the ts100

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Ts100 it is.

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 4:50 PM

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I'm going to try changing the wifi to my other AP and see if that makes any difference

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 4:50 PM

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@last dirge always bigger Max temp. It's all in timing and how good are with hands 😄

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 4:51 PM

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but the other AP is further away and I dont' know if it can hear it

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 4:54 PM

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What's the RX level ? Unifi?

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Can you do another test, fire half the length and see if you get the same results

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 4:57 PM

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dunno, not at home right now 🙂

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it's not unifi, some cheapo PoE WAP I added so my car could get wifi when parked in the driveway

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right now it's about 25 feet from the WAP it's connected to

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the other one's like 35-40 feet but it's got fewer clients

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 5:19 PM

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@scenic radish what's wrong with trigger?

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 5:20 PM

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pressing that button bypasses any conditions in the automation

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so it really doesn't act as a trigger, it just runs the action just like running a script

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 5:21 PM

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so then it should be named Execute inline with scripts?

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down side the attr is labeled last_trigger and that will make it confusing when that updates

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 5:21 PM

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ehh... i think RUN ACTION is clearer in this case

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but i see what you mean

glad solar Jan 2, 2020, 5:31 PM

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With recent security breaches with home automation systems. What makes HA more secure to these hacks?

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 5:31 PM

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what security breaches?

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 5:32 PM

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https://ipvm.com/reports/wyze-leak I guess

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The answer of course is - it runs locally

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 5:32 PM

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it's only as insecure as what you connect it to

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Though, if you don't expose it to the Internet, it's pretty hard to "hack"

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 5:33 PM

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yeah but it also can't make stuff that's not under its control more secure

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 5:33 PM

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No, but I'm only worried about HA itself here 😉

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Cloud stuff 🤢

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Whether some cloud service gets breached, again, ... 🤷

glad solar Jan 2, 2020, 5:33 PM

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@last dirge ring and wyze

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Clown stuff 🤡

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 5:33 PM

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As I said, HA runs locally, not in the cloud

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If it gets "hacked" that's because you set it up so that it could be

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 5:34 PM

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even if you do use HA Cloud, none of your stuff is in the cloud

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Ring was useless to me since I couldn't get live video feeds, and wyze appears to be shite in regards to stability so I have neither PedoBearD

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 5:34 PM

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but yeah, if you leave it open to the world that's on you

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 5:34 PM

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@scenic radish change the on/off to enabled/disabled too! doooooooo iiittttt

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Mine has been exposed for almost the entire 3 years, but I didn't set up admin/admin as the auth 😛

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 5:35 PM

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I just left those fields blank, is that bad?

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 5:35 PM

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you went with the more secure admin/password I assume

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 5:35 PM

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@forest edge no, set it as gifted/challenged for political correctness

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Please, hunter2

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Password123! To check all the requirements

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 5:36 PM

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I prefer Password123$

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 5:36 PM

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No freedom money here

light trout Jan 2, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Password123NOK

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Interesting usage 🤔

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https://www.instagram.com/p/B3AFtKVheSW/?igshid=1rwx4eizkh3zx

Instagram

@bizfactory on Instagram: “Been gone for 5 days and everything i...

119 Likes, 9 Comments - @bizfactory on Instagram: “Been gone for 5 days and everything is still looking good thanks to @homeassistant and…”

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Pa#1

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Tediore about to be responsible for thousands of people's HA's breaking and tearing their hair out trying to fix it

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I hope they consider the enable/disable while doing that. literally had to explain that to someone last night lol

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enabled/disabled

light trout Jan 2, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Why not sugest that with a PR that changes it?

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 5:49 PM

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cause I want tediore to take the fall not i

light trout Jan 2, 2020, 5:49 PM

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I see, good call

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 5:49 PM

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lol

light trout Jan 2, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Let's blame @scenic radish for once and not me 😄

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 6:05 PM

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What do u guys consider as a must to be installed on home assistant?!

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:06 PM

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something that requires a button to push

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Well, that's a #330944238910963714 question 😉

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Software wise and not hardware

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 6:07 PM

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See the channel topic @midnight adder

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Lounge

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 6:07 PM

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For chat around things that aren't Home Assistant related,

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The topic is more than one word

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Mine just says #Lounge

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Because you're on mobile

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Go to the icon on the top right, with two people

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Click it

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It'll show the actual topic

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Or slide left from the right edge

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Nevermind

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 6:08 PM

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For chat around things that aren't Home Assistant related,

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 6:09 PM

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It was just a question.

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 6:09 PM

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The question is fine, the channel you chose isn't 😉

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:09 PM

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uh oh I spoketh the name Jesus last night.. didn't even read it was FORBIDDEN

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Banned

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 6:10 PM

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I hope that's sarcasm...

light trout Jan 2, 2020, 6:10 PM

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You can just assume that for most things in #the-water-cooler

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Copy

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Well, many things in many channels

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Sarcasm and snark are pretty standard

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:11 PM

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I don't know what you're talking about

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 6:12 PM

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holy crap

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I just realized

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Wut

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Discord now has a mind blown emoji?!

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I made my own for my other servers long ago lol

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Best used sarcastically

light trout Jan 2, 2020, 6:12 PM

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it's 2020 ya'll 🎉

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 6:12 PM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/justin-brain-mind-blown-l0NwHXQy3kUSfFF60

Giphy

midnight adder Jan 2, 2020, 6:14 PM

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hmm, seems that ikea ships their motion sensors with 74% battery level as standard

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Generally inaccurate

light trout Jan 2, 2020, 6:14 PM

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That's how they get you

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 6:15 PM

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if the battery was 100% i'd be more concerned then if it was anything blow that

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unless the mfr plant was across the street

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 6:16 PM

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lol took me a sec to find my emoji.... it was a Nuclear Facepalm.... for when you see something so bad, a normal facepalm just won't cut it...

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📎 NukeFacePalm.png

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:17 PM

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I love it

light trout Jan 2, 2020, 6:17 PM

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@clever mortar Can you add?

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Go ahead lol

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 6:17 PM

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don't see why not...

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Tinkerer pls

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 6:18 PM

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NukeFacePalm

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There you go

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 6:18 PM

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YESH

low harness Jan 2, 2020, 6:18 PM

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📎 facepalm.gif

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 6:18 PM

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https://media.tenor.com/images/46f0e333340e8aaed9c8543dad898235/tenor.gif

low harness Jan 2, 2020, 6:18 PM

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This one is absolutely awesome with sound.

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Well, I haven't even started any kind of HomeAssistant setup yet... but hey, at least I've made a mark already lol

#

Got a lot of reading ahead to learn about Home Assistant..... I have 9 echo devices, ~22 bulbs, 10 outlets, 12+ cameras, 2 motion sensors, and 4 door sensors from everyone from SmartThings, Amcrest, Cree, SmartLife, Wyze and Wemo... I even use AssistantComputerControl to put my computer to sleep when I tell Alexa goodnight lol.... HomeAssistant seems like the perfect option to tie everything together. #yeeeee

orchid rose Jan 2, 2020, 7:01 PM

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damn, that's a lot of stuff and different standards

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 7:02 PM

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This is why Home Assistant exists 😛

vapid badger Jan 2, 2020, 7:18 PM

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I accidentally deleted the virtual hard disk I use for my home server. I've lost my configs for Plex, Apache, Nextcloud, Homeassistant, Minecraft, Calibre, UniFi, WeeChat, and a few other servers. Most of the actual data was kept on an external storage solution but I'm going to have to spend all day rebuilding my configs...

wet pilot Jan 2, 2020, 7:18 PM

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lame

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 7:18 PM

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And this... this is why you take backups

tardy spire Jan 2, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Does anyone on here use software for stock control/planning at home?

wet pilot Jan 2, 2020, 7:18 PM

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and TEST your backups

tardy spire Jan 2, 2020, 7:18 PM

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I tried the grocy plugin but found it a bit clunky

vapid badger Jan 2, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Who knew a single 32GB disk image could cause so much trouble

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 7:19 PM

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Nah, test your restores 😉

woeful roost Jan 2, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Are TP-Link smart bulbs local or cloud?

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 7:31 PM

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the plugs can be controlled locally in the Kasa app so i'd imagine the bulbs are the same

woeful roost Jan 2, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Nice, thanks

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 7:32 PM

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not sure though

woeful roost Jan 2, 2020, 7:32 PM

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My mother-in-law got some on sale and had one spare

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Usually I just go with Hue

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 7:33 PM

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yeah i like my hue bulbs

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solid local api

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no way to back up the bridge settings though... i dumped all the JSON from the api though in hopes it might be useful eventually

woeful roost Jan 2, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Oh I don't use the Hue Bridge

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I have a Conbee II

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You can back up the Phoscon config which is nice

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:42 PM

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tp can be controlled locally. i do it

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even says Local on the app when you deny interwebs access lol

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 7:43 PM

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indeed

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it knows

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all my tp-link stuff is restricted to LAN only

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:44 PM

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you deny your tp interwebs do ya? the abuse!

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 7:46 PM

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i wonder if they're screaming internally as a result

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https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

Tenor

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:48 PM

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does your recorder show disconnects/unavailable from time to time? if so then maybe yes is the answer lol

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:54 PM

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NukeFacePalm

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Why is my angryboi not in the ha discord sad

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 7:55 PM

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TINKERER PLS

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BRING :ANGRYBOI: IN

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 7:56 PM

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🤣

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I'm sorry, but emoji's made of ~~small dogs~~ toy rats ... I'm not sure they count as proper emojis.

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:56 PM

#

jerryWhat

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 7:56 PM

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lmao

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:57 PM

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JodieScronch

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 7:57 PM

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tinkerer

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pls

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 7:57 PM

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We need a voting system for new emoji, something more advanced than plead to Tink 🤔

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 7:58 PM

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p~~print~~please

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Eh... that works too 🤷

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Plead to tink and ask ATX for acceptance

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That'll work

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 7:58 PM

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fine

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frenck pls

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Vasiley plz

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Dalek

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Exterminieren

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Best moment of doctor who ever

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I have never laughed so much

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Daleks speaking German

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https://i.redd.it/vw5b21hz1e841.jpg

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 8:06 PM

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haha

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:23 PM

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pls no

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Oh hey RJ

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NukeFacePalm

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 8:23 PM

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@clear ferry
https://media.tenor.com/images/262b40f79dea5f7439de76f930d3ef63/tenor.gif

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Lol hey @scenic radish

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NukeFacePalm

tough vault Jan 2, 2020, 8:25 PM

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One for the Suggestion Box: A basic hierarchy for the list of Automation Editor in the GUI - I say this as I go through and find and tick off all the christmas related crap 🙂

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 8:25 PM

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You can make a feature request on the forum 😉

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 8:26 PM

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catagories for automations and scripts.. i wish

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:26 PM

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UI editor 🤢

tough vault Jan 2, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Is that the "tiny penis" reaction emoji?

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oh what will they make a unicode for next?

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:28 PM

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lmao

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i call it the "i'm this close to losing my shit" emoji

tough vault Jan 2, 2020, 8:29 PM

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the "suicide by redneck in a monstertruck" emoji

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 8:32 PM

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my sonoff bridge is floating out in the ocean right now i just know it

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 8:34 PM

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when your TV finally properly supports ARC

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:35 PM

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So, if i logout now, can I read possible answers to my questions tomorrow?

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 8:36 PM

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This is discord, if you or a mod don't delete it, it doesn't vanish

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Finding the message... that may be harder

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:36 PM

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||made you look NukeFacePalm ||

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 8:36 PM

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The forum at least notifies you of responses

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:36 PM

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||🤏||

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 8:36 PM

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if you enable developer mode on desktop you can get the link of a message and save that to pull it up later @trim solar

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:36 PM

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okay, hoping that i will find it again

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 8:37 PM

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but also, you don't typically log out of discord

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:37 PM

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/ turn off electronic devices

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 8:37 PM

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think of it like a "LIVE" version of facebook

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:37 PM

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to get some well earned sleep

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:37 PM

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but also, you don't typically turn off electronic devices

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:38 PM

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come on

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😂

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Even when you do, they're usually not actually off

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 8:38 PM

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lol get some sleep bud

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 8:38 PM

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🛌

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 8:38 PM

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don't listen to these buttheads

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lol

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 8:38 PM

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FeelsSleepyMan

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:39 PM

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i never used this thing before, am i already getting too old for these new technologies? we will never know

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:39 PM

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but also, you don't typically get too old for these new technologies

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:39 PM

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thanks and see you soon 😄

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 8:39 PM

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lol

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 8:39 PM

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no such thing as being too old for tech, only too dumb

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:40 PM

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and think about your karma

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 8:40 PM

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troll's gonna troll

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:40 PM

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but also, you don't typically think about your karma

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:40 PM

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😉

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Eh, I was a BOFH in a former life, my karma is so far into the negatives it overflowed

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 8:40 PM

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discord karma 🤢

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:40 PM

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kiscord darma 🤢

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 8:41 PM

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||made you look too 🤏 ||

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:41 PM

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not clicking

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:41 PM

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are we done? can i go?

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:41 PM

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never

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:41 PM

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so, thats the reason you are all still here?

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:41 PM

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to keep you from leaving? yes

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:42 PM

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🤔

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 8:42 PM

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TomStare

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:42 PM

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jk good nite

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:42 PM

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to keep yourselfs from leaving

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😄

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 8:42 PM

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GO TO SLEEP

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Eh, some of us are swarm AI's, we're everywhere all the time

trim solar Jan 2, 2020, 8:42 PM

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ok, done, but now for real, see you

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 8:42 PM

#

Compiling 1118 source files

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this project's big

clear ferry Jan 2, 2020, 8:43 PM

#

BearNom

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 8:43 PM

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after this release I get to delete SO MUCH old code

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 8:43 PM

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you and animals emojis lol

valid halo Jan 2, 2020, 9:08 PM

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HA Lounge. Come for the company. Stay because you don't want to be the last person to reply

twin oriole Jan 2, 2020, 9:32 PM

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I asked this on the #330944238910963714, but perhaps its more appropriate in the #the-water-cooler: Can anyone point me to a good reference to learn how to set up a subnetwork to use for Home Assistant and all of my home automation devices? I just used professor google to learn a lot about what ip addresses and subnet masks are, but I still can't figure out HOW best to set up my network to create separate subnets for general use and home automation. Thanks.

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 9:33 PM

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The answer is ... complicated

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It's also probably more an #general-archived topic

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Google for iot vlan and whimper

twin oriole Jan 2, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Thanks, Tinkerer.

oblique wave Jan 2, 2020, 9:43 PM

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I could not be more stoked to be here. long time lurker, first time poster - just getting going with Raspi 3, HassOS, Aeotec z-stick and looking forward to dumping all this data stealing google and amazon crap

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 9:45 PM

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voice command is so damn useful though

clever mortar Jan 2, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Heck yeah

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 10:18 PM

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this weather is BS

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:19 PM

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same... been needing to cut some sheets of plywood for shelving and it's been gross for like 2 weeks

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 10:19 PM

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What's wrong with the weather? 🙂

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 10:20 PM

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it's raining like crazy and 44 degrees

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https://imgur.com/gallery/awhg0SX

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ESP32 project wall wart

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 10:22 PM

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67 and some clouds 😉 Looking good. Making something similar tonight.

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 10:23 PM

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got fusion?

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I can share the model if you want

tidal bronze Jan 2, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Yep Fusion it is

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:29 PM

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I have that same Kobalt screwdriver along with the mini version lol

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Tediore I can count on one hand how many times I've gone to Users lol

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/wqWp8J.gif

scenic radish Jan 2, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Lmao

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NukeFacePalm

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 10:37 PM

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You know.... I can sit here building computer systems for myself and others, replace parts, tinker with electronics, find work arounds on otherwise restricted systems, teach myself the basics of networking, even change a couple of lines of code or track down nearly-impossible information... Then I browse something as simple as the lounge area here for 5 minutes and I feel like you guys are the Rick to my Morty.... I am a total and complete pleb lol. I look at some of what you're talking about and I'm like....

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https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-square-pants-patrick-drool-silly-gif-3392052

Tenor

Silly Patrick

▶ Play video

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I really need to learn some coding language(s)...

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I am seriously interested in learning about RPI as well

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I've looked into Khan Academy and others, just a matter of finding the time...

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:41 PM

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learn python that's pretty simple

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong... Py(thon) is what's used primarily on RPi?

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:43 PM

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it's just a language it's not specific to the rpi but most things that run on an rpi are linux based thus python can be ran/used. Course with that said you can run python pretty much anything

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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hmmm... I will look further into this, thank you

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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java FTW

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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I thought Java was slowly being phased out, I know it's a great language

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 10:45 PM

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nah

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it's pretty much THE enterprise language

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:45 PM

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java is slightly harder to learn

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:45 PM

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mmmm javascript is up there as well

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 10:45 PM

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I know most ATMs run Java

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:45 PM

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but java has been around long enough to not go away any time soon

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 10:45 PM

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security yo

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I've been doing java dev for 15 years so I may be a little biased

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 10:46 PM

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A couple of years ago when I was big on the online gaming (GTA5/FiveM ftw)....... LUA was the big thing... From what I could tell, it was very similar to basic HTML

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But again, LUA I believe is more game-focused.

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 10:47 PM

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micasaverde used to use LUA

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 10:47 PM

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I would love to have the knowledge to write some actual purpose-built programs

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:48 PM

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HTML is the #1 easiest language to learn lol

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:48 PM

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html isn't a language

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it's markup

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:48 PM

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it's classified as one

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:48 PM

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misnomer

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poorly named

unreal orbit Jan 2, 2020, 10:48 PM

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hypertext markup language

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:49 PM

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like i said, poorly named

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css is more of a language since it has variables and functions

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:49 PM

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didn't use to be

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css has sure come a long way

unreal orbit Jan 2, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Considering it is a markup language I don't see how it's poorly named.

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:50 PM

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because it's actually classified differently by computer science and basic terminology

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it's not Markup. Language.

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it's Markup Language

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not Programming Language

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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it's still classified as such

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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no it's not

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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maybe not by your eyes

unreal orbit Jan 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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nobody said it was a programming language anyway

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HTML is the #1 easiest language to learn lol

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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or anyone that does programming, or involved in computer science

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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it's a language none the less

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I do alot of php and get made fun sometimes cause many don't see it as a language either lol

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markup_language

Markup language

In computer text processing, a markup language is a system for annotating a document in a way that is syntactically distinguishable from the text. The idea and terminology evolved from the "marking up" of paper manuscripts (i.e., the revision instructions by editors), which i...

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well that's just being asinine

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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I went on vacation to the beach with my parents and on the way down we stopped at a Barnes and Noble and they had some HTML books on clearance so I bought them and read them in the car

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wrote web pages with pencil on paper

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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haha love it

last dirge Jan 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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tested out all my stuff I learned when I got home

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that was 96-97ish I guess

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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i remember when we plastered "Made in Notepad" everywhere

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-lurking-watching-keep-goin-gif-4975360

Tenor

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

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anyway, now that the logical fallacies are out of the way, java is a great language to learn even if i don't care to use it myself

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

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I made a cat on the beach one time in HTML

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

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I don't remember no made in notepad

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

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python is also popular

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.net pays decently but i hate the platform

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javascript has been on the rise the last 10ish years

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embedded is great for niche stuff (atms, coke machines, etc)

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:56 PM

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python is pretty much a pretty rounded language to start learning, tend to find more uses for it in more areas than alot of the others

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:57 PM

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i say just pick a language, and build something... starting is the hard part

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:57 PM

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otherwise like brioan said i would have suggested something like javascript or something

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python is just one of those you won't regret learning in the end

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Is there one overall language that many others would be easily picked up afterwards, similar to it? Like how knowing Latin can eek you through French and Spanish?

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 10:58 PM

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I'd maybe start with python

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Python is a def for me

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 10:58 PM

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Then get into JavaScript before too long

unreal orbit Jan 2, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Learning pretty much anything will give you the tools to learning pretty much anything else

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:59 PM

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then typescript after that

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Yeah

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 10:59 PM

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then learn nfg's fav language, html

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 10:59 PM

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typescript? oooo I have not yet heard of that

dull chasm Jan 2, 2020, 10:59 PM

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i Think starting with ASSEMBLY would be best

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 10:59 PM

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it's basically c# in javascript

dull chasm Jan 2, 2020, 10:59 PM

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if yall youngens even know what that is

unreal orbit Jan 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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It's what the OG pokemon games were written in 🙂

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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i mentioned embedded 😉

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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my mom said something about her knowing Cobalt.... she's 72 lol

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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cobalt is all but dead now

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Why even bother with assembly. Why not just write in binary

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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but i do have a buddy that works with it

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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oh damn

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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$$$$$$

dull chasm Jan 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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cobalt is still used in a lot of legacy system along with fortran

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Banks love their legacy

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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yep, he makes what I make in a year in 3 mo.... insane.. and i get paid well

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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Aka never changing

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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I suppose there could be a potential $$$ for anyone familiar with antiquated languages, as so few people would be left who know them

dull chasm Jan 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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its the root of it all

unreal orbit Jan 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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If it aint broke don't fix it. And if it is broke just ignore it until the economy collapses

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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yeah, not even sure how you'd even get into cobalt these days really

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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They've just won the language lottery

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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you don't want "that" job that makes you responsible for keeping a turd breathing

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 11:01 PM

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getting an as400 might be near impossible

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 11:02 PM

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lmao @forest edge

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 11:02 PM

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There's a million dead languages that aren't worth jack from 50 years ago

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 11:02 PM

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FWIW... I still have n IBM machine in my house running Windows 3.1 lol

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 11:02 PM

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just why

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 11:02 PM

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do you live in the smithsonian?

dull chasm Jan 2, 2020, 11:02 PM

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runs better than windows now i bet

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 11:02 PM

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never got rid of it, just sitting there collecting dust

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havent turned it on in years

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 11:03 PM

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lol @dull chasm

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 11:03 PM

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i was going to ask, is it "running" ?

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 11:03 PM

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oh man I remember running windows a floppy

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*from

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 11:04 PM

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I would imagine I could turn it on right now, talk about a throwback for me.... I started on that bad boy at like age 4.... 3.5" floppy, running Joust and Chopper attack in DOS

unreal orbit Jan 2, 2020, 11:04 PM

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3.5"? Fancy

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 11:04 PM

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yeah, I know it was much larger before lol

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 11:04 PM

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5.25"

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 11:04 PM

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about the same time I was making mix tapes on my radio with the cassette

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 11:04 PM

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best game ever back then https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9vFhY9-HwQs/maxresdefault.jpg well aside from Zork lmao

dull chasm Jan 2, 2020, 11:05 PM

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now with windows 10 i am running accros my state because i have machines that use ticket printers and windows has this little check mark that allows windows to use most recent printer and ....a document prints on recent printer instead of default printer set

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 11:05 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAj1jPvz8t8

YouTube

dada78641

Test Drive (DOS, 1987)

The MS-DOS version of Test Drive, played in EGA mode.

During my first game I get an immediate game over because I crash into a police car. Too bad, because I nearly passed the car in front of me and that might have gotten rid of him.

In the second game I make it to the gas ...

▶ Play video

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 11:05 PM

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my dad recorded my sister's voice for the SoundBlaster 8bit as a joke and sent it to them, and they sent us serial number 3 for the very first consumer cd rom.... had to load the cd into a cartridge

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they also gave us a bunch of other stuff, but that was pretty rad, i still have it

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i also had dinner with John Carmack and got the first public copy of Wolfenstein 3d

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 11:06 PM

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OH SNAP

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Wolfenstein

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damn

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 11:06 PM

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serial number 1 baby!

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i kinda miss the days of tinkering with DOS, writing silly gwbasic programs

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building GUIs out of shoddy ascii characters

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 11:09 PM

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To be honest I could probably recommend javascript as a first language nowadays

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 11:09 PM

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agreed

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just stay away from ruby

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Unless you want to work for a Saas founded in 2010

proven tangle Jan 2, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I've heard of Ruby but havent seen much mention about it

hushed basalt Jan 2, 2020, 11:11 PM

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You can go a long long long way with javascript thougg

steel urchin Jan 2, 2020, 11:11 PM

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act like it doesn't exist

forest edge Jan 2, 2020, 11:11 PM

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can still find plenty of things written recently in ruby lol

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even for HA!