xD
#the-water-cooler
midnight adder
clear ferry
Bhyve is quite shitty though
sharp scaffold
I have an old Linksys router, from before they got bought by Cisco, does that count?
sharp scaffold
wrt54gl ftw
midnight adder
๐๏ธ
clear ferry
I'll raise you my 3com wireless router with 11Mbit
sharp scaffold
I have a set of 10Mbit powerline adapters
clever mortar
Time to crack out my 56K serial modem
clear ferry
But what about my 9600 baud one?
midnight adder
lol
sharp scaffold
can you run two powerline systems in the same house?
midnight adder
interesting question
sharp scaffold
I still need to try that out
wet pilot
if you have multiple local providers (most residential do not)
sharp scaffold
I have a fastish Netgear now, will my old 10Mbps TP Links screw it up?
still need to try that one out
clear ferry
Different frequencies probably
sharp scaffold
openwrt ftw
clear ferry
Pfsense or bust
sharp scaffold
more than one antenna = looks FAST
clear ferry
Then add access points as needed
sharp scaffold
I really want a reason to go pfsense, but this older Linksys with OpenWRT Just Works
clear ferry
๐คข
sharp scaffold
yeah, but it works ๐คทโโ๏ธ
clear ferry
sharp scaffold
way overkill?
clear ferry
R710 just for pfsense? I hope not
midnight adder
lol
sharp scaffold
the wifi is uhh limited, but on cable you probably wouldn't see a difference between this and your R710
hell, it's got more wifi than your r710!
I don't like running the router in a VM, and I'm on the fence about HA -- when that box goes down, NOTHING works anymore
midnight adder
r710 pushes 300mbps
sharp scaffold
I'd rather have a few SBCs
sharp scaffold
not like power, like me messing with it at 4am
midnight adder
what do you mean
sharp scaffold
this reminds me I should backup my HA VM
midnight adder
good idea
sharp scaffold
I will screw up that machine one night and next day I'll have no internet, no home automation, no music, etc
better keep them separate
sharp scaffold
๐ ๐
sharp scaffold
I'm running one router, one NUC, and one NAS
at least when I screw up the NUC I can google for a solution
while listening to music ๐
brisk glen
1 router, 2 wireless aps for now.... one server and soon a pi4 cluster
I have a dedicated 5Ghz network for IoT on its own band
sharp scaffold
one AP here, with a separate 2.4GHz IoT network (on VLAN 107)
cheap ESP boards don't do 5GHz
not happy with coverage though, looking to switch to a mix of 433MHz and Zigbee
brisk glen
I do that as well
IoT on 5Ghz channel 36 at vtf 80
also on 2.4 channel 6. regular network is a vtf 160 on DFS 100 (goes into channel 128)
aka im hitting about 1.2 Gbit on wireless
bring on the 8k streaming
i may have issues
brisk glen
interesting
low harness
Apropos the swedish street discussed the other day
Most streets cities have a few streets with this kind of decoration in December.
And pretty much every house has lights and stars in the windows
Really helps with the dark
unreal orbit
Do people in Sweden do this for specifically religious reasons or is it just a seasonal thing to do?
(on average, obviously there's probably a bit of both)
low harness
It's related to the Advent, and the stars represent the star over Betlehem. So traditionally, the lights are all turned off after christmas day.
But I'd say mostly people just do it because it's what you do. And it looks nice.
Also, today is Lucia day, so that's when those girls go around and sing and offer sweet bread with saffron.
unreal orbit
It's always interesting to me to see the similarities and differences for celebrating the same thing in different countries
low harness
Some kind of mish-mash of pagan rituals and a made up story of an Italian saint...
unreal orbit
๐คฃ mish-mashing traditions is the true Christmas spirit
I'm a big fan of decorations this time of year, regardless of religious preference. It's just a boost to my mood to look at what people come up with. I wish more people in my neighborhood did
brisk glen
wow, shipping is a shitshow this year
unreal orbit
Luckily there are entire neighborhoods that get together to do lights that we can easily drive to see
brisk glen
ecobee never gave me the tracking or told me it was shipped and fedex called was like um... we tried to deliver 3 times
another day spent going to have to drive off and pick it up.... might as well just picked up at a microcenter
as long as I can keep my dual homekit/home assistant configuration
fallow galleon
check if your electricity company provide rebate
brisk glen
they do not
fallow galleon
On one hand the flaw sucks. On the other, ain't nobody gonna hack your door
unreal orbit
Can someone find a news story about someone actually hacking a door lock with intent to steal shit?
brisk glen
fuck hacking... easer to just go through a window
unreal orbit
That's my point
I want to know if anyone has actually gone through the effort or if this is all just people panicking for no reason
brisk glen
plus, if you have a smart door... you better have a camera pointed at it
peak breach
Also, don't connect it to your voice assistant sitting on the table by the window.
scenic radish
Here's how I'd hack a smart lock: kick the damn door in
young sigil
Whichever TV executive decided to release all 10 season 4 episodes of The Expanse at once, I โค๏ธ U. I was expecting to have to download half of it in shitty quality over a 9Mb/s satellite link when away next year.
clear ferry
๐
clear ferry
Is it intentional that most of the Martians are Aussies though 
hushed basalt
Convicts?
midnight adder
Hello, please do you have a tip to get tasmota switches state afte hass restart? Someone uses retain function and I also found an automation: what do you reccomend?
velvet horizonBOT
boreal pewter
I recommend not using #the-water-cooler
dark sparrow
Out of curiosity: did the first people start to dabble in Googles Local Execution API?
hearty depot
onto another try to get Packstack working! (fml)
dull chasm
@clever mortar shopping for audio equipment cost to damn much https://outlawaudio.com/products/7220.html need a gofund me ๐คฃ
velvet horizonBOT
Tinkerer is away for 35s with a message :point_right: Away
dull chasm
no doubt
clear ferry
You are just too picky @dull chasm
Just buy noname stuff that says it does 3000w RMS
๐
dull chasm
ya ok
clear ferry
๐
dull chasm
i found two others that are in a better price range 950 or 650 us dollar
still outlaws and not too much of diff
clear ferry
That is more reasonably priced at least, depending on the specs
dull chasm
very close
if i buy the 7000 i will surely have to make sure i am home ....damn thing wieghs 90 Lbs
clear ferry
The highest end stuff is usually just for showoff and the difference if even noticeable is so negligible that it is as we say in Norway, just for co** extension
clear ferry
Had a friend buy some Abrahamsen mono blocks a few years back, think he paid $800 each, then he sent them in for an upgrade that cost $600 each, I really couldn't tell any difference
clever mortar
$3K... ๐ฑ
dull chasm
i take it in 1k icrements tink ...i am not picky
clever mortar
That's ... about as bad as a friend of mine, who's a self professed audiophile
He owns a bunch of speakers, switches, cables, and so on
All so he can see how different setups sound with different music
dull chasm
yea ...my latest upgrade the biggest difference i hear is in music with good dynamics ....like singer/songwriters stuff from the 70's .....stuff with acoustic guitars piano and etc
one song that blew me away with yamaha 3080 and the Kliscph 8000's oddly was sweetleaf by Black Sabbath ...buddy brought over his turntable and WOW
hushed basalt
We don't have electricity down here so we have to train emus to dance on tin roofs for music
clear ferry
@dull chasm you should try out Nils lofgren - acoustic on there
hushed basalt
I need to upgrade my roof to oxygen aligned copper silver lined though
After I buy some carbon embedded bubble free concrete isolators for my house ;)
dull chasm
@clear ferry yea i dont pay for any subscriptions music but i was tempted to try out Tidal HIFI
clear ferry
You can get it on CD and vinyl ๐
dull chasm
i will be getting a turntable but thats prolly mid next year
clear ferry
Watch it or I'll come down there with a copy! ๐ฟ
I have spoken
This is the way
dull chasm
ok
clever mortar
Looking nice
clever mortar
๐คฃ
I'm assuming/hoping they're not fixed cold white - IMO it's always nicer with some CCT
young sigil
@restive pond If I were on mushrooms I'd say it looks too clinical. But I'm not. You want good CRI bulbs/lamps/strips in the galley.
young sigil
Reasonably sure. Thewre's a lot of spoors in the air everywhere though.
scenic radish
Ooh, second hand high
young sigil
2
scenic radish
Nature's hotbox
young sigil
Nah thast's ootside.
scenic radish
Oh right, we don't go there
young sigil
Had to go oot on the town with a bunch of mates from way back tonight. The food were shite. Copious amounts af alcohol. Sorry shit this aint my blog.
restive pond
young sigil
Please
scenic radish
MURICA
young sigil
Close enough
restive pond
@young sigil I do it
clever mortar
#551843800209686539 @upper palm
upper palm
Copy
clear ferry
if it only wasn't MUUURICA
young sigil
@restive pond TOO MUCH PINK. All I ask for is a little violet and you blind me with this hot sexy masculine pink.
clever mortar
๐คฃ
young sigil
@restive pondScratch it's belly. That more often than not works with dogs.
scenic radish
Whisper softly into its sensor
young sigil
@restive pond But seriously bro. Your kitchen lights are better than your phone camera. Some would say you have your priorities right. Personally I don't give much of a rats arse.
restive pond
๐
young sigil
Such a tiny part of the spectrum http://www.normankoren.com/Color_add_subtract_450.jpg
celest kayak
Hi. Very new to the whole concept of home automation. Can someone point me to a good, general primer/overview of the topic? I've seen $200+ starter kits, $10 bulbs, etc. I've seen things that need hubs and others that don't. I'm looking for something that'll provide an overview so I can understand what I'm looking at so I can ask a reasonable question. The HA FAQ tells me how to trouble shoot stuff with my HA install, but I haven't installed it yet. The documentation tells me how to install & program, but I don't have anything to test against. The Integrations page tells me how this works with wink & Zigbee, etc. but I don't even know if I need those or if they're optional and why I'd want them.
i.e. I'm a rank beginner and don't even know what the terms mean.
I've got plenty of experience as a programmer and PT hardware guy, so I'm sure I can figure it out, I just don't know where to start.
clever mortar
Well, you've found the Home Assistant Discord, so the assumption is that you're wanting to run Home Assistant ๐
dull chasm
i second that motion
clever mortar
https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/glossary/ can explain some of it
I'd Google other terms you're unsure of, and if in doubt... ask (though maybe not here - see the channel topic)
celest kayak
That does seem to be the way to go, but I haven't a clue if I need a hub, if HA takes the place of a hub, if I can find all hub-less hardware...
clever mortar
Home Assistant is the "hub"
celest kayak
Thanks @clever mortar - that'll be a great start.
clever mortar
Well, really it's the brains
celest kayak
See, you know what you're talking about and you're already disagreeing with yourself! That's why I'm confused! ๐
clever mortar
Hub is a term that lots of people use to refer to an all in one box
Home Assistant doesn't have all the hardware you need built in
It's "only" software after all ๐
However... you can plug in USB sticks, and what have you, and make it a "hub"
celest kayak
roger that. For example, for $3.50, this looks to be a great bulb to play with and do some testing. https://www.amazon.com/BA19-08027OMF-12CE26-1C100-Connected-Equivalent-White-Dimmable/dp/B01701DL7A/ref=sxbs_sxwds-deals?keywords=smart%2Bbulb&pd_rd_i=B01701DKVM&pd_rd_r=0348cd91-f71a-4479-967d-646a79f733ab&pd_rd_w=Cshy0&pd_rd_wg=4iGVs&pf_rd_p=0d9ff078-075d-4295-b9e1-6a735b26fa6f&pf_rd_r=GBH7C57RFX5SKKM4NSX6&qid=1576295372&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1
The package notes connecting it to you wink app to register it. I don't have a clue if I have to have that app on my phone or if HA will detect it.
I'll go read the glossary to see if I can start asking some intelligent questions.
clever mortar
We're getting into #330944238910963714 territory, but ... that likely wouldn't work with HA ๐
Works with Alexa means it works with ... Alexa
celest kayak
Ah - see, that's good info to know!
clever mortar
99% of the time that means it's a cloud based service
clever mortar
No worries
celest kayak
Works with Alexa or Works with Google Assistant are generally the red-flags to avoid when looking for something that HA will control?
dull chasm
no not at all .....i have wemos and a bunch of other stuff that works with ha ...you just gotta check if it intergrated
clever mortar
#zigbee-archived and #zwave-archived are safe, for everything else see the links in #330944238910963714
dull chasm
hogwash
clever mortar
Yes, you can integrate your hog wash if you want, that's what #diy-archived is for
dull chasm
๐คฃ
clever mortar
๐
dull chasm
my tea and crumpets too
clever mortar
Most computers are good crumpet warmers
dull chasm
ahhh
celest kayak
anything that works with something that's listed on the integrations page will work with HA.
scenic radish
@clever mortar *cat warmers
clever mortar
That too ๐
celest kayak
Is it fair to ask for the cheapest bulb known to work with HA, just to get my toes wet & try it out? Something that's got a reasonably good chance of working OOB... Everything listed on Amazon seems to have its fair share of naysayers - it's hard to tell if they're incompetent or if it's an actual issue. :/
scenic radish
#330944238910963714 might know ๐
celest kayak
okey dokey. Trying not to weigh down the "official" channel with noob questions that weren't appropriate. There were lots of warning messages when I joined... ๐
clever mortar
There are... but you should read the channel topic here ๐
wet pilot
HA is off topic in this room ๐
steel urchin
man, love me some telegraf
wet pilot
O.o
scenic radish
lmaoooo
should have your speakers say GET THE FUCK OUT
and then play that russian turbo polka @clear ferry was kind enough to grace us with
hushed basalt
Self destruct in 10... 9....
clear ferry
๐ท๐บ 
@scenic radish
cinder ingot
ocean mirage
double barrel
scenic radish
@clear ferry's favorite
ocean mirage
Bud light is American for piss right
scenic radish
I like bud light ๐ฆ
wet pilot
@ocean mirage pretty much
wet pilot
just another pisswater lager
quartz ether
WD 14TB USB, $209 USD ๐ฎ ๐ฎ THIS IS INSANE. If only I wasn't in NZ ๐ฆ
https://bestbuy.7tiv.net/5QOk9X
hushed basalt
@quartz ether try newegg
I'm not sure what they are like in NZ. But I've found them great for Australia. Free shipping is boss
I know it's not best buy. And reshippers are a right pain
clear ferry
hushed basalt
I'd like a 12TB SLC ssd
hushed basalt
No u
To be honest spinning disk raids can still demolish ssds for high sustained throughput at medium/high capacities
wet pilot
lol a SLC ssd that large would be huge and stupid expensive XD
scenic radish
Ecks dee
quartz ether
@hushed basalt no one will beat that price. Its CRAZY like 8tb are $202 USD so a 14TB for $209 no one is close.
hushed basalt
@wet pilot i never said I want to pay for it ;)
wet pilot
SSD?
wet pilot
PLC?
clear ferry
Unsure of the tech, I'll check the notes ๐
wet pilot
i'm kinda surprised businesses are accepting the risk that comes with the XLC > single
clear ferry
Doesn't state the tech
wet pilot
i think that's they only way they can get that high these days
clear ferry
The redundancy when you have more than one disk is sufficient enough
We never (rarely) have multiple drive failures
wet pilot
except for the sneaky one that can pop with raid5
clear ferry
Only support raid6 with those drive sizes really
wet pilot
true
clear ferry
You can run lower, at your own risk
wet pilot
but that's true for any raid
clear ferry
Anything over 2TB we say raid6
wet pilot
0 is fastest but be prepared to pay
clear ferry
Had a customer do raid0 on 240 drives
wet pilot
ouch
clear ferry
Was fun until the first drive failed
wet pilot
learn the hard way?
clear ferry
I'll install it myself, don't need that consultant that costs 1/400 of the system
clear ferry
Yeah, biggest HDD we have is 12TB, that came out this year, biggest SSD is 16 that came out atleast a year ago
And with the 32 to be released soon HDDs are almost dead
Only archiving uses HDDs really
strange vapor
@clear ferry RAID0 on 240 drives?!?! What now?
clear ferry
Customer knows best when he installs the system himself ๐คท
strange vapor
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/ On average 1.73% fail a year, and the lowest is 0.46% You're more or less guaranteed a failure within a year
clever mortar
@slate shadow Please take a moment to read the channel topics
You've picked a channel where Home Assistant is off topic, and there's even a #330990055533576204 channel
For posting your logs, up to 15 lines use the correct formatting
Over 15 lines use a code share site
velvet horizonBOT
slate shadow
sry, jumped to this, duno why
clever mortar
~share @slate shadow
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
I'd go with not paying attention due to insufficient coffee
slate shadow
so what i need to use: @slate shadow To format your text as code, enter three backticks on the first line, press Enter for a new line, paste your code, press Enter again for another new line, and lastly three more backticks. Here's an example:
code here
@slate shadow Please use https://www.hastebin.com/ or https://paste.ubuntu.com/ to share code or logs.
strange vapor
hmm, "Database disk image is malformed".... That's probably not a good thing!
clear ferry
strange vapor
SD Card gone dodgy!
Really should pull that install off the Pi and onto the waiting server!
clear ferry
Only one? What about failover? ๐
strange vapor
I thought HA was HA by default? ๐
hushed basalt
Did you enable HA in your configuration.yaml
homeassistant:
cluster:
- HA
:trollface:
clear ferry
scenic radish
Catching up (as is tradition) due to being in a different time zone. RAID0 on 240 drives...it's big small brain time
clear ferry
Don't worry @scenic radish
I'll soon be shittalking in your time zone
Then the EU normies will be catching up
Speaking of other regions, I have only seen two Asian users, the Dutch guy living in Thailand (haven't seen him in a long time) and the Chinese guy who speaks via Google translate to no avail
Where are the Japanese and Indian automators
Nani?
scenic radish
Too much of a language gap maybe? Not that native Asians can't speak English well but I know it is a hard language to learn if it's not your first
clear ferry
English is easy
Mandarin, not so much
Thai is horrible
Might be easier for musicians though
valid halo
I feel like I stop myself from doing home automation things through 'wire anxiety' like "How will I run this wire so it's not super clunky" or "How will I explain to mother that I need to drill a hole in the wall if I want to discreetly run a security camera" It's mildly annoying
clear ferry
The joys of owning my own house ๐
valid halo
Ah well
at least Alexa has a HIGH MAF (Mother Approval Factor)
she loves the dang thing
Also she loves the Ring Doorbell.
wet pilot
my mother doesn't like most of the stuff i have. my wife loves it though
clear ferry
My mother in law is sceptical of all tech, except her iPad ๐
scenic radish
More like iBad amirite
clear ferry
My father has been a techy all life and is probably why I'm one too, my mother is technology inept ๐
wet pilot
i don't think my dad cares at all. my father in law is cool with everything, he has a bunch of X10 stuff still running at his place
MIL has never been to our place
clear ferry
I don't think I have ever seen X10 IRL
wet pilot
apparently Sears sold stuff for it back in the day
clear ferry
Sears were the shit
Wish I was old enough to have visited a old school Sears
I built a working "magic clock" that shows the realtime locations of my family - https://imgur.com/a/wX98fOc
Love it
smoky oxide
cool
valid halo
That's Ballin
scenic radish
I clearly do not have the brain to do that sort of thing
clever mortar
Saw that on reddit, was blown away
wind mountain
onyx smelt
Hey guys, just joined to the server. The invite links in the welcome message that โhassbotโ sends are not working, who should I inform to fix?
clever mortar
I'll flag it up
Can you forward me the message, since I've never seen it, and that way I know what needs fixed ๐
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
Ta
last dirge
sup folks?
clever mortar
How's the madness in your part of the universe?
clever mortar
Ah, in the wind up/down for Christmas then ๐
Ah, well, that happens to everybody at least once a month
last dirge
heh
I think there's now been as many releases that have passed as the version I'm running
clever mortar
Yeah, we've had a few folks coming by who're 20+ releases out of date
last dirge
I'm on 51.3 IIRC
clever mortar
Oh
last dirge
๐
clever mortar
Well, good luck ๐
last dirge
I'm flailing around in docker
clever mortar
You'll likely be faster to start a fresh build ๐
last dirge
maybe, but my wife won't appreciate stuff not working
scenic radish
0.51.3?! Also... #330944238910963714 ๐
last dirge
@scenic radish yeah, I know
I'm just chatting
I've already asked far too many questions in #449717345808547842
last dirge
back in the day when this release was newish, my name used to be green ๐
clever mortar
Yeah, that must have been "some time" ago
last dirge
that seems about right for how far I'm behind
scenic radish
any tips for learning python? i'm gonna start with the docs (
) at https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/appetite.html but not sure if there's other stuff i should do
i've been using jinja2 a lot so i'm familiar with some things such as operators at least
clear ferry
Shadow @light trout for two weeks
scenic radish
done
clear ferry
scenic radish
f'real though
i was digging through the google wifi integration code (sorry, i know off-topic) and i got an idea of what's going on. google wifi has a REST api and i could see how the code digs through that
light trout
Most I do now, and in the next weeks are ts anyway ๐
That is correct, it has an API, that is not usefull at all, mostly just trash
scenic radish
or any tips or just sass ๐
scenic radish
yeah i loaded /api/v1/status in my browser and it has very little info lol
valid halo
I learned some basic python by programming rockets with it. KRPC lets you use real life programming languages to fly Kerbal Space Program rocekts
it's fun!
๐
scenic radish
that's pretty kewl
valid halo
Mhm.
clear ferry
@scenic radish but have you authenticated and used that token in the rest request ๐
For getting into rest I recommend postman, great software
valid halo
Oh I remember Post Man
scenic radish
Maybe I misunderstand. Thanks for the tip about postman tho
valid halo
that was so useful
as I bashed my head against a wall trying to understand how to scream SOAP at a Wemo Outlet
I am not a fan of XML or SOAP from that experience
light trout
I used to use SOAPUI for SOAP request untill recently when I move that to Postman as well
valid halo
in the end I got it working and so I could use Voice Attack on my PC to turn my outlet on and off
I really need to use Voice Attack More. Got it for Elite Dangerous and i could use it for SO MANY GAMES
but I just dont
opaque tapir
?rank other
slim rampartBOT
That role no longer exists.
velvet horizonBOT
we had to get rid of @hassy, it was too sloppy
hushed basalt
@scenic radish corey schafer on youtube for python
That's a good starting point
Also automate the boring stuff is good apparently
scenic radish
Yeah I started automate the boring stuff, I'll have to finish that one. Thanks for the tip on corey, I'll take a look
hushed basalt
What's your end goal in mind too
scenic radish
Well the ultimate goal would be to help with development of topic forbidden, but I know that could be a lofty goal. Maybe just make a custom component or something lol
hushed basalt
Yeah some automate the boring stuff projects would be a good starting point
hidden laurel
Is any one aware of a T8 4ft wifi bulb?
I've spent a considerable amount of time searching and I'm convinced they don't exist
hushed basalt
@hidden laurel i doubt it
Putting in a smart switch is going to be your best bet
Or changing the fixture
hidden laurel
๐
hushed basalt
There's these with ZigBee
I'd check if they have full switch off capacity, instead of just dimming
hidden laurel
ty
hidden laurel
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
hushed basalt
Looks like โฌ35 a piece
hidden laurel
I'm not worried about the price I just want them to be connected like the rest of my lights
and I'm not really trying to change the fixture
I just need some mqtt stuff to connect them too if I go with them
hushed basalt
scenic radish
so i started with the python.org docs and because of that i finally understand for loops
i was overthinking it i think
hidden laurel
I thought every one who used hass was a programmer at some point in their life considering how much you have to go through to set it up
hushed basalt
There's a spectrum
steel urchin
ok i got ha in docker going, have the zwave stick added.... soon i'll add all the switches!
i feel nervous leaving my shitty iq panel setup
like, i've been so anxious to leave it up to this point
clear ferry
@hushed basalt are we on the ha spectrum?
I might be entitled to government benefits
Or medication
Now that is very Norwegian
steel urchin
what does that say @clear ferry
steel urchin
and now i want waffles
steel urchin
oh god now i'm avoiding the internet
steel urchin
that does NOT make anything better ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
steel urchin
nope, not googling
velvet horizonBOT
clear ferry
scenic radish
@hidden laurel well I used to write programs on my TI calculator which uses the BASIC programming language. So I guess I sort of was lol
steel urchin
hehe and that same language i was playing with in 86 when i was a kid
crazy how everything is really just the same! (but not really)
glossy canyon
i'm looking for recommendations for a TV brand that is easy to control via home assistant. something that lets me programatically change the input source would be nice.. anyone got that working?
i have a samsung that uses some annoying encrypted protocol at the mo, that no one has quite figured out
do any have decent apis exposed on the lan?
glossy canyon
i was wondering.. my experience with smart tvs is that they mostly suck
android tv is good enough then?
cedar glacier
tmobile just went down in the netherlands
as in
entirely down
both their fixed line (they do fiber here) and mobile services down
scenic radish
@glossy canyon #330944238910963714
flat thunder
Freaking Untangle doesn't have an mdns reflector. Gotta set up a VM with avahi reflector if I want my IOT crap on a separate network and still control them from the LAN
clear ferry
I tried untangle for a year
Moved back to pfsense
Shite product tbh
That said, mDNS is shite too ๐
wet pilot
salty today ๐
light trout
How is that not related to HA?
And look at namespace
flat thunder
Yeah, I just came from pfsense on an old box. I like the untangle interface better (I have enough tech to manage, I don't need to waste an hour getting my internet working again because I screwed up a port forward or something), but odds are good I'll end up on pfsense again
light trout
What language is HA written in?
scenic radish
ok, got it
wet pilot
single letter var names ๐คข
scenic radish
@light trout i'll look into namespace, thanks. just started reading the python docs yesterday and for loops finally clicked
light trout
where did the link go?
wet pilot
heh just wait until you see list comprehension loops
domains = [
x.get("sys_domain")
for x in self.snow_companies
if x["sys_id"] == company
]
single letter var names ๐คข
wet pilot
hard to immediately tell what you're working with
scenic radish
ah yeah from a review perspective it's bad, but if it's just for me ๐คทโโ๏ธ
but yeah i could see looking back at it in a year and also going ๐ค
light trout
for when you are looking at it again in 3weeks it's also bad
wet pilot
"man, who wrote this code? it sucks. Fuck that guy" <looking at code i wrote 2mo ago>
light trout
been there (daily)
wet pilot
yup
scenic radish
no docstring? wtf man
light trout
# pylint: disable=missing-docstring ๐
wet pilot
but you can limit the commenting you need by using descriptive variables
light trout
yeah, like x, b and y
wet pilot
foo, bar
light trout
even better
scenic radish
love me some foo, bar
wet pilot
var1
light trout
var2
scenic radish
i started reading the docs last night and got here: https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/controlflow.html#more-on-defining-functions
wet pilot
big brain is s1 d2
wet pilot
but yeah, list comprehension is fun
light trout
and they never saw him again
scenic radish
for loops clicked and the while statement reminded me of my days with BASIC lol
light trout
usually if you need a while, your code is bad
scenic radish
good to know
light trout
Exception to the rule:
while human.sober:
drink_beer()
lol and wrap that with a with fridge.beers > 0
scenic radish
but yeah python will be my first real programming language, so we'll see how it goes
wet pilot
its a decent one to start with
scenic radish
i'm hoping to actually contribute to forbidden topic at some point
wet pilot
๐
light trout
scenic radish
but it actually would be nice to know for work too
sometimes i have to do the same thing in multiple files
@light trout if you're making fun of me for using the Hassio installer at least i'm running Raspbian + Hassio lol
and i've been making python venvs for stuff
scenic radish
for simple command line tools
light trout
yes
scenic radish
figured it'd be valuable to get comfortable with python venvs
light trout
dockerfiles are way more portable and upgradable then a venv
scenic radish
but i'll definitely learn how to actually use docker
light trout
Change one number, and you updated from python 3.5 to 3.8
scenic radish
i know about python upgrade woes with venvs
light trout
Same thing can take hours with vevns
wet pilot
though if your dockerfile-fu isn't great, your builds can take for freaking ever too
light trout
sure, but should still be faster
scenic radish
keep in mind i'm still a n00b with these things so what's simple knowledge to you guys likely isn't for me
i'll for sure spin up some new containers for stuff
instead of using venvs
bye bye /venv directory ๐ฆ
wet pilot
venvs have their place
light trout
while human.sober:
if fridge.beers > 0:
drink_beer()
# Give human enough time to drink it.
sleep(1800)
Better now @wet pilot ?
wet pilot
haha
scenic radish
i'm lucky if a beer lasts 15 minutes
wet pilot
just wanted to throw the context manager in there to throw off @scenic radish
orchid rose
you need better beer then Tediore
wet pilot
90m IPA?
clear ferry
When you just squeezed a two meter cabinet in the back of your Volvo, but you are a fat bastard
light trout
the steeringwheel in on the wrong side
wet pilot
followed @light trout 's loop too much?
clear ferry
if not then die 
Two one meter cabinets lockable for free
Great for the chemicals in the house + baby
wet pilot
Timeout just got real
clear ferry
Hmmm that wasn't a bad idea
I can lock ludeeus in there until he fixes whatever code he broke last
clear ferry
Nice, my January calender is almost full already
That said, I'm two whole weeks in the US
sacred hornet
i want to convert this bare sensor value from FAN1 | 41h | ok | 29.1 | 1400 RPM to simply 1400 RPM
cedar glacier
jesus christ. tmobile still has a major outage in the netherlands
what happened to redundancy?
i work for a different ISP. we have double local redundancy, redundant power, uplink and hardware. we also have a seperate reduntant location in a different datacenter we can switch over to within 2 ms. ridiculous how t-mobile doesn't have any redundancy
clear ferry
Maybe they were hit by the new malware I've heard about today
scenic radish
what malware?
clear ferry
scenic radish
looks like you were ok if running a 32-bit system
clear ferry
Thank goodness, my windows 2000 is safe
scenic radish
whew
clear ferry
scenic radish
they must have known you have enough problems if you're on a system like that
clear ferry
I think I have to put a calorie roof on my trip to the US, so I don't come back in two seats on the plane 
scenic radish
๐
last dirge
'sup @peak cloud
peak cloud
Hola!
flat thunder
@clear ferry I see what you mean about untangle being a shite product... back to pfsense tonight
clear ferry
Dale3h, mr implant 
last dirge
@peak cloud how's it been?
peak cloud
Not too shabby. I finally have a fully automated home again ๐
clear ferry
We all break our homes constantly
That is why we have this support group
Hi my name is Eirik I'm an automationoholic
flat thunder
seriously... what to do... blue iris build, NodeMCU smart blinds, IR blaster remote automation, rewire all my wall switches, Mycroft server/Pis build out, etc. And I'm not even fully moved into the house yet...
scenic radish
probably finish moving in first lol
flat thunder
Soon.
scenic radish
flat thunder
I had the house re-piped when I moved in, today is drywall day 1/2
so starting tomorrow the place won't look like a construction site / war zone
last dirge
@flat thunder smart blinds, you say?
scenic radish
to shreds, you say?
last dirge
flat thunder
Yes. Got the parts, haven't done anything with them yet. Looking at this guide: https://github.com/thehookup/Motorized_MQTT_Blinds
though a switch for local control was on my wish list, I'll check out your guide for sure!
last dirge
he used the component I wrote when I realized it didn't work yet ๐
mine uses servos
smaller BOM
flat thunder
he mentioned in his video that the servos would whine periodically when holding position, any issues there?
last dirge
I never got around to doing the up/down as I couldn't get access to a lathe to try making pulleys
yeah, make your code move the blinds and then disable the servo
tada
scenic radish
those servos, always complaining about everything
last dirge
"I wasn't able to do what you told me to do"
scenic radish
i don't wanna hold this position
last dirge
wah wah wah
scenic radish
it's uncomfortable
last dirge
it makes me jittery
@flat thunder I assume since you linked that page that you've got a 3d printer
flat thunder
Not yet. Pretty sure I'm getting one in a week and a half though
flat thunder
I'm pretty new to the world of embedded / motors
last dirge
I watched a video a while back
flat thunder
if you disbale a servo, will it hold its position?
last dirge
unless whatever it's holding has enough torque to override it, yes
I use fat metal gear high torque servos
they're noisy
but they don't move, even with heavy wood blinds like mine
flat thunder
are you relying on an implied initial position? or do you have some way of definitively determining its position when you start it up?
Yeah, most of my blinds are 2" wood venetian
last dirge
it's a servo, it only goes so far
so if you lose track of where it is, close or open and you know where it's at
flat thunder
Ah, so that's basically irrelevant with servos
did you ever get raise/lower working? I probably won't bother, but curious
last dirge
the only way mine get "lost" is if someone overrides the servos by manually forcing a position change
I had everything but the pulley/sheave figured out
I found some 12V high torque gear motors that were strong enough to pull the weight but couldn't find a lathe so I could make the sheaves
I couldn't 3d print ones that were strong enough and the timing pulleys I got that'd fit in the blinds didn't have enough shoulder to hold the cord as it rolled up
flat thunder
Meh. I never raise my blinds anyways. Would be different if I had verticals at a door or something.
What did your cost per blind come out to?
flat thunder
and how loud are you talking? If I want to open blinds at sunrise, would the servo wake me up before the sunlight?
last dirge
then my dog got its head caught in the wire and freaked out and ripped it all apart
and I haven't fixed it ๐
how heavy of a sleeper are you?
you can hear the servos in my videos
I think they're linked on those pages
clear ferry
flat thunder
not that heavy by sunrise. I'll check the vids
peak cloud
@last dirge This is what I've been working on the past couple of weeks: https://www.reddit.com/r/esp8266/comments/e8ms61/christmas_lights_powered_by_wled/
flat thunder
๐คฆโโ๏ธ didn't realize that breadboard photo was a video and not just a pic
last dirge
@peak cloud neat
I punted on my LED strip project because I kept running into issues with losing signal to parts
peak cloud
I've been wanting to do year-round lights for like 9 years, and I finally buckled down and started on them.
last dirge
I tried cheap DMX amps and it didn't fix the problem
peak cloud
Were you using WS281X LED strips?
peak cloud
Hmm, interesting. What microcontroller?
last dirge
nodemcu
peak cloud
Firmware?
peak cloud
WLED is king. ๐
last dirge
my problem is my strips aren't contiguous
peak cloud
It somehow balances the processing power to give priority to the timing required by the WS281X LEDs.
last dirge
so I have like 8' then I've got one cabinet that's higher
so I have to break the strip, go up there, then it goes back down for another 4'
then I've got my pantry in the way so I have to run down the wall, across the basement, back up another wall, then another 8' of strips
peak cloud
Ahh, dang.
last dirge
that last strip almost never works properly
peak cloud
Due to voltage drop or data timing?
last dirge
how's WLED deal with control?
peak cloud
By control, what do you mean?
peak cloud
Well, it supports many control interfaces.
peak cloud
E1.31, MQTT, Philips Hue, Alexa, HTTP, Web UI, Home Assistant, scheduling, etc.
clear ferry
Wled 4 lyfe, i have three projects with it right now
peak cloud
And it has a native sync feature, so you can sync multiple controllers ๐
last dirge
wait
clear ferry
The e.31 support is a great feature too for future synchro shows
last dirge
multiple controllers?
I've got wemos boards coming out of my ears
I'll definitely look into that
clear ferry
DMX too if memory serves right
peak cloud
My two favorite things about WLED: 1) the insane number of effects, combined with the decoupling of colors (the effects use palettes instead of selecting colors), and 2) when you stop sending E1.31 data to it, it reverts to its previous state.
last dirge
if I can say "this strip has X LEDs" and then "this controller picks up at the end of that" I'd be golden
peak cloud
Not entirely DMX, but it supports sACN.
clear ferry
Oh right
wet pilot
mmm dmx
last dirge
I may try flashing this firmware and seeing if that makes any difference
peak cloud
Oh, I left out a physical button and IR receiver for the control interfaces.
last dirge
@wet pilot whatchall really want
peak cloud
It is literally life-changing.
wet pilot
i have a fondness for dmx from when i did community theater
peak cloud
I'm working on a 4-channel WLED controller right now.
Oh, and another control interface I forgot to mention: UDP broadcast. ๐
clear ferry
UDP๐คข
peak cloud
lol
clever mortar
What's that, I didn't get it ๐
flat thunder
UDP over wifi ๐คฎ
last dirge
@peak cloud in your example could you have channel 1 start an effect, then channel 2 pick up afterward?
like if you were doing a larson scanner?
last dirge
the sync stuff in the docs seem to make it indicate that they'd be clones of one another
@clear ferry might run into issues with the far side
peak cloud
@last dirge I believe that's how the sync feature works, but I haven't used it.
clear ferry
You just create more universes
last dirge
@peak cloud meaning it'd continue or just be a clone?
peak cloud
UDP has its place, and sACN/E1.31 is definitely one of those since it's such a high-rate/lightweight protocol.
clear ferry
I haven't tried it yet
frosty stone
somebody intrested to help me out with configuring my unifi setup ? (mainly vlans and firewall) i will give you an gift card
peak cloud
I would assume that if you have the universes setup correctly, the sync feature would continue. But I haven't any experience with it.
last dirge
I've got enough crap laying around I could just try it ๐
peak cloud
Dooooo eeeeet
@frosty stone Sorry, I don't have any experience with UniFi, although I do hope to one day!
@last dirge If the native sync option isn't what you want, just setup E1.31 sequencing. ๐
last dirge
a wemos is definitely cheaper than all of the DMX amps I tried
@peak cloud I'll try this later and report back ๐
peak cloud
Good luck, man. If you have any questions about any of it, feel free to PM me.
@last dirge Make sure you use a logic level shifter! Do you have any?
flat thunder
Can servos do full turns? Idk if there's a worm gear in there, but I have to turn the rod 13x to go from one extreme to the other
peak cloud
Another option is to toss a diode between 5V and 3.3V lines and send that to a sacrificial LED's 5V line.WLED has the option to skip the first LED if you end up going with this method.
@flat thunder https://youtu.be/zZGkkzMBL28
You can either modify an existing servo, or order a continuous rotation servo. ๐
flat thunder
so what prompted thehookup to use a stepper motor rather than a servo? Just didn't like the noise?
peak cloud
74AHCT125N/74HCT125N, or a PCB-based one?
orchid rose
steppers have the advantage of knowing where they are which servos don't, right?
I almost burned my first stepper motor by running 3x the amperage specified and didn't know it uses power in idle as well, lol
peak cloud
Lol, I definitely started doing that after a few projects that required too much work to "borrow" stuff from.
I just looked up the estimated voltage drop, and if you use a 24awg wire as the data wire between two sets that are even 10ft apart, the voltage drop wouldn't be enough to cause any issues: https://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html?material=copper&wiresize=84.22&voltage=5&phase=dc&noofconductor=1&distance=10&distanceunit=feet&eres=0.5&x=86&y=16
last dirge
that's the TTL converter I got
says I ordered 1 lot and there's 5 in a lot
so I've got some kicking around somewhere
peak cloud
I haven't used those, only the DIP-14 ones.
last dirge
I'm using 18AWG on my extensions
and between the really long one I've got another 12V power supply injecting the power back in
I don't know if I've got enough LED strip to do a useful test though
wet pilot
guess you have to buy more then ๐
last dirge
the spec sheet google turned up for a wemos d1 says it'll take 12V
is that right?
I've been using buck converters
orchid rose
try it, what's the worse that can happen... I've run a couple of nodemcus at 12V even though it's not recommended
clever mortar
Let the magic smoke be free!
clear ferry
Woop, concert ticket ordered for the dark side of the wall
flat thunder
I presume that's a pink floyd cover band?
clear ferry
Yeah, it's the Nordic pink Floyd experience
flat thunder
That or the drugs really got to them... ๐ต ๐ต all in all, he's just a-nother brick in the moon ๐ต ๐ต
clear ferry
I usually go every year to see Brit Floyd, but I missed them this year
all in all, you are just another failed automation in my home
clever mortar
That implies you have some that work
flat thunder
we don't need no automation ๐ธ we don't need no home control
all in all you're just a normal switch in the wall
clear ferry
you there in the scenes.yaml, you don't look right to me, get him up against the wall
clear ferry
wet pilot
heh
clear ferry
Story of my life
steel urchin
and that's why we have linting rules and git hooks ๐
i'm anxious waiting on the builder to come fix some things in the house so i can go cut out gang boxes and upgrade my switches!!!!!
flat thunder
I still gotta figure out where my phantom switches are wired
and see about hard wiring my switched outlets
which are everywhere, some on dimmers
wet pilot
i got lucky and most of mine are pretty clear
flat thunder
I got a label maker for stupid cheap, I've been labeling stuff as I figure it out
wet pilot
i've been switching out the painted over outlets and whenever i find the ones that are switched i flip them upside-down
flat thunder
ooh, that's a good idea
wet pilot
makes it pretty clear ๐
flat thunder
though, long term any outlets I'd want switched are getting replaced with a zwave switch and/or outlet
wet pilot
only thing i'm not super consistent with is setting which one of the 2 outlets is switched. They're using split lines on them
strange vapor
If you run a Debian or Ubuntu box, install mollyguard. It's on my default list and it just saved my ass again ๐
Basically, it asks you to type the hostname of the box if you attempt to reboot/powerdown/halt etc. over an ssh session
scenic radish
Huh. Might have to install that
strange vapor
Just saved me from rebooting a remote bastion box by accident. The box I was attempting to reboot killed the ssh session due to load and I had hit sudo reboot on the bastion itself without realising!
scenic radish
More like me
flat thunder
but can it prevent hangover brain from pulling the plug on your access point in the middle of a dd-wrt firmware upgrade?
because I totally didn't do that on Saturday
on the bright side, I now have a better AP running Tomato, with VLANs and like 6 SSIDs
strange vapor
@flat thunder Put an electric fence around the router ๐
scenic radish
Worth
flat thunder
marry a photosensor, I hear it's a turn on for them
scenic radish
Heh
hushed basalt
Rgb is for plebs
If you don't have at least six different coloured diodes you're doing it wrong
ocean mirage
My computer has CYMK
ocean mirage
you dont know me
strange vapor
ocean mirage
spaghetti
green inlet
My wife would probably cut my you know whats off if I tried to install RGB lighting. And I am kinda happy that she would ๐คฃ. RGB lightning is a whole other level of rabbit hole. I kinda like clean and classy automation
proper swallow
HA is gonna be the ruin of me for one off jokes for parties... https://share.getcloudapp.com/kpum5kvK
hushed basalt
Has anyone ever used lenovo tabs as cheap wall panels
proper swallow
@hushed basalt I am using two tab m10s one on the dock (not using alexa but could use alexa with the dock/speaker) and one on the wall - on sale for like $79 right now
10 inch screen is great, and I use the dock speaker for notifications about things like the tea being ready or the dryer turning off
1GB ram
hushed basalt
Are you using them with lovelace
scenic radish
@wet pilot from the official python docs:
>>> squares = []
>>> for x in range(10):
... squares.append(x**2)
...
>>> squares
[0, 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, 49, 64, 81]
should i complain about the single character variable? ๐
scenic radish
yeah i'm jk
when i finalize that for loop from earlier i'm gonna do for entity in states probably
wet pilot
state in states
scenic radish
makes sense
wet pilot
sometimes its not worth the effort though
scenic radish
these docs are... not n00b friendly lol
wet pilot
x in range() is pretty common
scenic radish
just gonna throw myself in the fire like i did with forbidden topic
hidden laurel
It is a style thing, but in the same way that I write variables in camel case and column names in snake case and envs in upper snake case I write the objects being iterated over as single char var names
wet pilot
yeah, that breaks all the python conventions
hidden laurel
since it's the only place it's easy to tell at a glance that that variable is a specific variable
scenic radish
oh boy, i'm in list comprehensions now ๐ฌ
peak cloud
When I iterate entities/states in Jinja I use the variable x. ๐ค
wet pilot
jinja doesn't have a style guide and enforcement mechanism ๐
peak cloud
It does when Iโm typing it! Lol
hidden laurel
I use k/v or i depending on if it's a map or not
If you're looking for a language to learn try golang btw
it's a party
proper swallow
@hushed basalt yes with stock lovelace and some custom cards as well, no problems running fully kiosk
wet pilot
i looked at golang, disappointed they didn't want try/except flows
peak cloud
Is Golang the same as Go? And isnโt whatever SmartThings apps are written in, a derivative of Go?
peak cloud
Is groovy a golang derivative?
wet pilot
predates i think
peak cloud
I didnโt enjoy groovy at all. Glad I found Home Assistant before I got too deep into SmartThings
peak breach
Go is Google's JSโฆ C# is Microsoft's Java. D is the next evolution of C++. And Rust is, wellโฆ odd.
wet pilot
lol
peak cloud
But then again, Iโm not a huge fan of C#, but loved VB (pre-.NET). ๐คฃ
Oh to be a script kiddie again.
peak breach
oh gawdโฆ no wonder you like JavaScript. you're one of those typesโฆ
peak cloud
I am proud to be one of those types! ๐
peak breach
yeahโฆ they all are. you have my deepest condolencesโฆ
peak cloud
Hey! At least I am open to trying new things!
peak breach
Any of those are new things?
wet pilot
any thoughts on julia? i think its trying to take on python
peak breach
oooh, there's one i haven't triedโฆ
peak cloud
Python is new to me as of a few years ago. And lately have been trying to learn how to design PCB boards.
peak breach
PCB's are only fun, until you start trying to actually make something proper.
wet pilot
heh
peak cloud
ATM machine. PIN number. PCB board.
scenic radish
alright, on to dictionaries now. at this point i'm very familiar with key: value pairs
peak breach
Julie looks more like it's being aimed at R or somethingโฆ?
peak cloud
I have never heard of Juli[ae].
peak breach
Which is probably why I didn't notice it. Have a vague feeling I might have run across itโฆ But that group doesn't register very strongly on my radar.
hidden laurel
@wet pilot multi returns is much better than try catch
and it has panic so you can still send exceptions up the stack
wet pilot
i saw the argument on the issue but i'm not sure if i agree
hidden laurel
I've been writing go for around a year now
it's much much nicer doing modern enterprise work compared to java and etc
esp if you need multi threading
Why do you want a try catch block instead of just checking if an error happened anyways?
peak breach
I tried to get into Goโฆ Didn't like it terribly much. But compared to Java, yeah, I can see that. But then, there's not much I wouldn't prefer over Javaโฆ
wet pilot
because then you're checking twice. once to raise the error and then again to see if it errored