10???
#the-water-cooler
light trout
wet pilot
lol
light trout
Hm... I guess I need a new one
delicate pollen
@scenic radish what's your review on Chromebook would it be any good or too locked down to Google?
clever mortar
I have one, quite happy with it
unreal orbit
It has access to any app on the play store, right?
delicate pollen
@clever mortar I'm just considering it a bit, as an alternative to my MacBook, as well everthing are more or less through the browser these days
unreal orbit
Perfect for college students. But they'd rather spend $2500 on a Macbook
clever mortar
If everything you do can be done primarily through a browser, then it's a great device
scenic radish
@delicate pollen i like mine. i have the HP Chromebook 15
boreal pewter
The new MacBook 16" with an i9 looks good, wonder if we get them at work
wet pilot
i have a stupid cheap samsung that's ok but i wasn't expecting much for ~$200
delicate pollen
@scenic radish oki, will check it out
scenic radish
i'm in the google/android ecosystem already too so it makes sense
wet pilot
i think the intel m# cpus should be the minimum if you want a decent device
clear ferry
I have a 8core2.5ghz laptop with 48gb ram and 2x ssds, I pick my Chromebook most days
scenic radish
and all the recent chromebooks have a linux VM built in now
no need to mess with crostini
wet pilot
is that what replaced cruton?
delicate pollen
@scenic radish 😄 well I'm in the Apple ... but have recently started to use my Google account instead, and I must admit, I'm very happy ... so could also consider with the next phone
clear ferry
My laptop was $2500, my Chromebook $180
scenic radish
@wet pilot i'm not sure... i know it is a debian 9 VM
delicate pollen
@scenic radish VM built - could you explain a bit more?
clear ferry
But so much nicer to work on in day to day business
scenic radish
it has a linux terminal that you can enable, and you can install debian packages
unreal orbit
The Apple vs Google debate is far more complicated than most people will admit. You're always giving up something
delicate pollen
@scenic radish okiii 😛 well I knew that it was somewhat a linux, but that it would be possible to use it, I didn't
clever mortar
TANSTAAFL - if it's free, they're making money somewhere else
wet pilot
i like "If its free, you're the product"
unreal orbit
Looks suspiciously at Home Assistant
scenic radish
fuck
clear ferry
I'm your product senpai 
wet pilot
eh, open source is generally the exception
unreal orbit
I know, just joking 😉
I have a dream that one day most things will be required to be open source
clear ferry
McCartherism increases
unreal orbit
that is probably the dirty hippie in me talking 😉
unreal orbit
realistically it would save major corporations boatloads of money. That's why so many of them are investing in open source platforms now
Don't have to pay anyoneDon't have to keep people on payroll, and out pops a product you can use as you wish
wet pilot
though corpos need to allow their teams to contribute back to upstream
which can get weird in some cases
unreal orbit
I think it gets weird due to licensing laws being so complicated. Those could be simplified
hushed basalt
Just need the intern to push all their corporations forks to origin
scenic radish
do it
hushed basalt
I'm sure corporate developers never put secrets in source right, right
wet pilot
heh
unreal orbit
Open source also forces good practices for secrets. The benefits are endless 😄
scenic radish
secrets: !include secrets.yaml
hushed basalt
Root account aws keys are the best to put on github
junior forge
@hushed basalt Lucky those are catched by GitHub nowadays 😉
hushed basalt
@junior forge where there's an idiot proof system there's an idiot who will prove you wrong
junior forge
I tried to proof the idiot wrong
failed
@hushed basalt But I agree, it ain't hard...
❤️ open source
hushed basalt
I love open source with good documentation and tutorials
The amount of times I've had to read source to figure out how something works 😠
hushed basalt
Euro timezones are the worse
America is better because its 12-15 hours behind me
But 8 hours difference is a killer
wet pilot
heh but everyone can agree that IST is the worst
green inlet
Omfg.... @wet pilot and @unreal orbit in the same screen. I know this is stupid, but I confuse you two.....might be the icons....seeing both of you on the same screen....may have solved it for me.....as you were
wet pilot
O.o
unreal orbit
But I'm still purple 😅
scenic radish
You're both impossibly good looking?
green inlet
It’s not a rational thing....it is just a thing.
hushed basalt
Really really ridiculously good looking
green inlet
Apparently dudes like you
scenic radish
The files are in the computer!
ocean mirage
That hansels so hot right now
green inlet
Whiskerz, did you figure out your girlfriends iOS problems ?
wet pilot
O_o
hushed basalt
Looks a bit different back then aye
ocean mirage
I'm not entirely sure who that is
tough igloo
Vampire from true blood and also the recent tarzan
If I’m not mistaken
Also the son of stellan skarsgård who is in the MCU films
#funfacts
ocean mirage
I know Stellan from Chernobyl and Mamma Mia!
tough igloo
Yes that much beloved masterpiece mamma Mia!!
ocean mirage
Who can go past the wonderful singing of Pierce Brosnan
scenic radish
currently installing debian on a free partition of my old windows laptop
why am i doing this at 22:40 on a work night? who knows
wet pilot
lol DOIT
scenic radish
now i need to figure out how to configure it to shut down below a certain battery level during a power outage...
once debian is installed that is
clear ferry
@scenic radish does work night make a difference?
I haven't distinguished between work night and weekend my entire life
clear ferry
scenic radish
so you said you like your chromebook too?
clear ferry
scenic radish
lol
the only thing that was holding me back from buying one was the lack of a numeric keypad
then HP came thru with the Chromebook 15
clear ferry
I have an 11" one
clear ferry
Last time I actively used a numpad was... 1999 
clear ferry
For those excel induced orgasms
scenic radish
lmao
i do enjoy that i can use the chromebook recovery tool to flash any image to usb sticks, sd cards, etc
clear ferry
Aye
I can use it for 99% of my daily work too
Handy on business flights with its size and battery life too
scenic radish
yeah the battery life on mine is unreal
hp claims 13 hours. honestly wouldn't be surprised if that were the case
clear ferry
I get 11ish on mine with normal use
scenic radish
welp the screen went black on my laptop but i'm still seeing disk activity
i don't remember seeing the installer say anything
oh nvm
the display timed out lol
not sure why it just displays a black screen instead of turning the backlight off though...
clear ferry
scenic radish
that fucking emoji lol
scenic radish
oof
clear ferry
wet pilot
lol sick burn
clear ferry
scenic radish
Welp it doesn't look like I can boot into windows anymore despite using the unused partition lmao
Oh well
tough igloo
Speaking of boot issues. My Ubuntu machine won’t boot if I take out the graphics card! 🤣
Put it back in and she boots
clear ferry
But do you have any other graphics adapter in the machine ?
tough igloo
Not sure what you mean. It’s a nvidia card I put it for testing nonsense stuff
The card is toast so I can’t keep it in
clear ferry
Any onboard graphics?
Modern machines usually won't boot without any primary video output
tough igloo
Yes the motherboard has onboard. It booted fine before I put the card in. I think it’s nvidia drivers issue
Google said it might be
storm summit
@clear ferry actually i think ancient ones too from what i recall
clear ferry
I remember I could run machines without graphics cards in the late 90s but damn if it was possible to bypass keyboard on some of them
"no keyboard found, press F1 to boot"
storm summit
I think you're mistaken but who knows.
scenic radish
@clear ferry ah thanks lol
clear ferry
wet pilot
@scenic radish L2GRUB
clear ferry
Lilo 4 lyfe
hushed basalt
@tough igloo check your bios settings too
clear ferry
hushed basalt
You might need to enable onboard vga etc
scenic radish
@wet pilot wut
wet pilot
Grub. L2 it
clear ferry
@wet pilot grub him by the boot loader?
hushed basalt
Go back to your box
wet pilot
lol
hushed basalt
That red blinking light isn't good
clever mortar
Some coloured tape can fix that, or a soldering iron to change which LED gets lit up
clear ferry
Worst shit I saw was what supermicro does
Red blinking HDD led means hot spare
Like wtf
Freezing rain, good times
clever mortar
Good luck dodging the idiots still in summer tyres...
clever mortar
As low as that... I'm actually impressed
clear ferry
Should I count the Slovenian trucks also you say?
I was just passed by a car with decals showing ads for Eaton xcomfort
clever mortar
Thanks to wireless technology, the switches can be easily glued to the desired location. As a result, the installations can be modified or upgraded at any time.
🤔
clear ferry
clever mortar
I remember Eaton from way back when they were just power folks
(at least that's all I ever saw of them)
Based on my experience of that, not sure I'd trust any HA stuff they did 😛
tough igloo
Thanks @hushed basalt I’ll give it a go tonight
When the smoke clears!
It’s Ubuntu server so there is no desktop. I put the card in to test ha stream because reasons
I don’t remember 😂
Anyhoo I’ll try all the things and see where I end up
hushed basalt
It's possible your bios automatically flipped to pcie graphics when you installed the card
🤷
clever mortar
I'm not sure you can buy studded tyres here. Just getting winter (or even all-season) tyres can be a struggle.
low harness
"all-season" tyres... that's cute
I had a car with those things once... couldn't get out of my driveway half of the year because it was sloping towards the house.
clever mortar
Thankfully our weather isn't that extreme
hushed basalt
We're more likely to get stuck in hot tar
strange vapor
Here, it's more important just to have good tyres with decent thead for the inevitable rain all year around.
clever mortar
Scottish weather options in spring/summer/autumn:
Has just been raining. Is currently raining. Will rain shortly.
strange vapor
Best tires I've found are offered by a garage down near my parents where he'll happily state he prefers good tires which won't have neighbors coming back to him complaining, I forget the brand though.
boreal pewter
This is getting so.. "tyred"
clever mortar
Roll on the weekend
boreal pewter
So lets preorder Cyberpunk
boreal pewter
Thats everyone's choice 😄
unkempt night
hey guys!
Wanted some advice
With the upcoming BlackFriday deals, I'm curious what would be better
I currently have around 5 Echo Dots around my house, a Hive heating and Ring doorbell.
The Nest Hello is clearly the better doorbell, and i wouldn;t mind a Nest Thermstat. Whats your recomendations
This is since I'm in the HA ecosystem too
clever mortar
You can't hook up new Nest devices to HA
Also, this is strictly a #330944238910963714 question 😉
clear ferry
I've just spun up my own solution with a Xiaomi smart button as a doorbell, my RTSP camera as a door camera, all my google homes and sonos' and webos and telegram as doorbell notifications with sounds on most, and picture on telegram
hushed basalt
Thief
I invented the xiaomi button as a doorbell
I am the first and only person in the world to do that
hushed basalt
Your invoice for the license is in the mail
Can't send it electronically since there's no internet in Australia
🐦 📨
clear ferry
SEND IT VIA BOOOOSHFIAAAHS
hushed basalt
🐌
No fires here
It turns out that the continent is bigger than one coast
When you Northerners talk about the world as if the Northern hemisphere is the entire universe, and Australians get miffed
wet pilot
🙃
hushed basalt
That's how us westerners feel when Easterners talk about their side as The Australia
hushed basalt
I don't want the throne
clear ferry
I DON WANN ITH
scenic radish
so i guess i shouldn't be surprised by this, but debian runs much faster than windows 10 does on my laptop from 2011
clear ferry
to give a good example of the difference in disk intensity
I had a 12" ultraportable a few years ago, with a 4200RPM drive
booting Windows took 12 minutes
booting linux took 25 seconds
clever mortar
Well, that's a bit unfair. Windows has a mountain of crap that it starts which Linux doesn't bother with 😛
boreal pewter
Any OS without a GUI is faster than windows
scenic radish
debian desktop
clever mortar
TBH, Linux with GUI is still faster than Windows in my experience
boreal pewter
Oh you installed it wrong
scenic radish
@clear ferry that's pretty nuts lol
clear ferry
deez nuts
scenic radish
@boreal pewter eh, i'm moving from a pi so i doubt i'll notice a difference
GOT EEEEEEM
clear ferry
shit, I've done a lot of changes in HA the last month
I should probably update my github
boreal pewter
Huh? If it has a GUI it is not a server. So what did you move from the Pi?
scenic radish
i can still install home assistant on it lol
boreal pewter
It's considered dirty to run HA on a Desktop
scenic radish
i know what i've done.
boreal pewter
So your prefer it the wrong way? 😄
scenic radish
yup
but nah i'm testing everything out right now before i actually move my install to it
so there's still time for me to install debian server 😉
vapid mirage
Going to copy over my question from #diy-archived
I have a shelly 1 with stock firmware (this may be a sign that i need to change that) that works great... when its connected to wifi. It has now disconnected from wifi 2 times this week after working for about 5wks without issue.
I see some forum posts that it may be due to my router changing channels on it... "esp-open-rtos issue". Last time I just turned off power and re-set up the wifi... but i don't want to keep doing this. Any suggestions? If I do upgrade - is tasmota my best bet?
@orchid rose mentioned it may be due number of wifi connections I have as I've recently added 4 new connection
tepid coyote
Has anybody seen any good home automation deals coming up for black friday?
boreal pewter
There will be thousands
scenic radish
i'm hoping the fossil collider goes on sale
after trying four smartwatches and returning them, i'm hoping the collider finally replaces my pebble
clever mortar
~crosspost @vapid mirage 😉
velvet horizonBOT
clever mortar
I think DrZzs Discord has a deals channel, some of the others may too
tepid coyote
That watch looks awesome @scenic radish
clever mortar
Random tagging fail there
tepid coyote
woops
velvet horizonBOT
tepid coyote
The person right before you was talking about it and I got confused... no need to bring hassbot into it.
scenic radish
@tepid coyote yeah i think it's cool. can't wait to try it out
i doubt it'll go on sale since it's brand new but i'd hate myself if i bought it right away and it went on sale a few weeks later
tepid coyote
I tried out the gen4 but the battery life was a killer for me. I like that this one says 2+weeks
that's interesting!
scenic radish
yeah, the e-ink display is the primary reason for that
tepid coyote
Ahh so that's why you want to replace your pebble w/ it.
scenic radish
exactly
i like the readability of e-ink in all scenarios (with a backlight for low-light conditions)
and i specifically like round smartwatches
but not with a flat tire
tepid coyote
Yeah the fossil ones look the best imo
unreal orbit
I can't believe more companies haven't jumped on e-ink for watches. It's so obviously the best choice currently
scenic radish
i know
unreal orbit
nobody wants to plugin their watch every night...
tepid coyote
Yes!!! This
scenic radish
well technically pebble used low-power transflective LCDs but... similar concept
still better battery life
unreal orbit
Interesting. Whatever gets the battery life to a reasonable level
scenic radish
exactly
i do have to charge my pebble time round each night because the battery is 4 years old...
but at least it takes like 30 minutes lol
clear ferry
@unreal orbit apple watch users do, twice a day 😛
scenic radish
oof
strange vapor
Using a Garmin Fenix. The battery meter measures remaining battery in days 😄
clear ferry
I get 33 days here
scenic radish
clear ferry
scenic radish
it's ok, discord's back bois
clever mortar
It was never gone, just hiding
scenic radish
maybe we scared it
with our knowledge
i'll take my broadlink rm mini, thx
but that title... 👌
midnight adder
just picked up my new xiaomi tv box from the postal office
another one for my xiaomi collection
ebon meteor
I need a creative solution to a generic automation problem....
I have an automation that brightens my master bath lights to 5% if I get up in the middle of the nighht to pee
scenic radish
ebon meteor
Better there?
ebon meteor
Got it. Thanks.
clear ferry
clear ferry
Pieeee
regal fulcrum
is there a channel/server where I can speak to graphic designers?
clever mortar
On this server, this would be the place to ask
This is unlikely to be a good place to reach lots of graphic designers though
valid halo
Hullo Y'all
lethal granite
hey people, is anyone here good with ubuntu ?
with vlans
scenic radish
scenic radish
Thank you Google, very cool
wet pilot
<test>
hushed basalt
You will die in ( {death_datetime} - datetime.now() )
scenic radish
This was from a save the date my fiancee got. Legit want to do this, but with YAML
wet pilot
oh js
scenic radish
trigger:
- platform: time
at: '15:00:00'
on: '12-12-2020'
action:
- service: wedding.marry
data:
people:
- Matt
- Andy
Yes, I know on doesn't exist for that
humble pond
That code is useless as a save the date. If I ran it I wouldn't remember that it was their wedding until I got a random alert saying "We Do!" and I would think my browser was possessed. 🙂
scenic radish
torpid pelican
Does anyone have any iBeacon experience?
light trout
Only crispy for me
clear ferry
Ibacon 🥓
rough zenith
I have an error sending pictures on Telegram. The error says "Too many requests. Try again in 32 seconds.". Tried a few times but still wont work. Anybody knows how to fix this?
hushed basalt
Did you wait 32 seconds first :D
rough zenith
@hushed basalt yeah. Even tried it after like a few minutes. Still wont send
@clear ferry i was trying to send one picture too
hushed basalt
Are you using a vpn
clear ferry
No issues here both personally in telegram and with automations in HA
unkempt night
Heyyyy
Where is the best place to discuss what options there is and what you use in terms of thermostats, doorbells, speakers etc
orchid rose
here or #330944238910963714 probably
unkempt night
Anyone here a Tado user?
orchid rose
unless you want a specific standard like #zigbee-archived or #zwave-archived
For doorbell some of us just use a Xiaomi button and for speakers I've just set up Chromecast devices around the flat.
rough zenith
@hushed basalt nope. Also tried both wifi and mobile data
@clear ferry hmmm thats weird. Will try again later or ask a friend to try.
boreal pewter
Why is this Unifi stuff so difficult
jagged mantle
i saw the new ada thing and wondered if you couldnt intercept a google home or alexa and change the replies and go thru ada instead?
scenic radish
Yep, I think I've experienced what you're talking about
hearty depot
a good idea how I can populate iptables with a lot of ip's?
using xargs and as far as I can tell this will take forever 🙈
hearty depot
Actually I use a for loop ```
for i in $(cat blocked.list_full)
do
cat $i.zone | xargs -i /sbin/iptables -A countrydroplist -i ens192 -s {} -j DROP ;
done
🤷
hearty depot
20 minuts for 23 countrys 🙈
boreal pewter
Yeah I just managed to disable natting
Now I try Port forwarding...
And then I need to find out how to use DNS names here
dull chasm
port forward is easy ... i dont know about dns names
boreal pewter
SO first try port forwarding failed 😄
clear ferry
Zzzzzzz unifi
boreal pewter
pfff atxblyat
clear ferry
boreal pewter
lol
scenic radish
also installed debian server last night... apparently my ethernet interface isn't eth0
boreal pewter
Nope it isn't in Debian already since Wheezy or so
boreal pewter
enp3s0
scenic radish
yup
clear ferry
Get out of 2013 @scenic radish
scenic radish
you're so last decade
clear mirage
scenic radish
so abode's latest security system is finally homekit compatible... but for those of us on the first and second gen gateway (i have the first), homekit compatibility will still be coming...
guess i can't complain because the unofficial API used in the abode integration is working well, but i'd still prefer local control with homekit controller
(and i'll leave it at that because technically that last message breaks the rules here)
wicked socket
@scenic radish how happy are you in general with Abode?
scenic radish
very happy, it's been reliable. the app sucks but i hardly use it anyway
wicked socket
nice.... looking for some sensors and home alarm thingies.. just difficult to choose which brand to go with 🙂
scenic radish
i like that there's no monthly fee to self-monitor
wicked socket
@scenic radish e.g. the netatmo camera looks nicer, but still not sure about the entire ecosystem of netatmo though
@scenic radish for integrations... does it have a local API or do you still need to go over the cloud to access the data?
wicked socket
sorry 🙂
trail crag
np 😛
scenic radish
you're good. yeah the abode cameras are not good from what i've heard
it's a cloud API
...but that's #330944238910963714 talk 😉
wicked socket
well.. i saw you talking about abode here.. did not want to drag you to another channel 😄
scenic radish
all good. abode talk is ok, but once it applies to home assistant (integrations) we'd have to move
clear ferry
scenic radish
...or atx will get A N G E R Y
clear ferry
wicked socket
oh oh... that scares me more than the dog 🙂
scenic radish
that one is friggin hilarious
clear ferry
strange vapor
Twitter
earnest ocean
I just wanna give my kudos to the developers behind the wonderful features added to the last version and the integration with Almond! My congratulations and thank you for your hard work!!!
minor forge
Hey Guys, next spring we will move to our own house (after doning a little bit of renovating). I'd like to know what you would do if you can start over with homeautomation from scratch. Is this the right channel for that?
light trout
#general-archived would be better, since Home Assistant is kinda off-topic here 😛
minor forge
THX, moving over
scenic radish
kinda
🤨
cedar glacier
if you cant figure out how to fucking turn your laptop on dont call me about your stupid email not working
am isp tech
ok so
rough zephyr
hey, the settings-button menue is missing after the update to v102. is this a known issue?
cedar glacier
MY POWER IS OUT BUY MY INTERNET SHOULD BE WORKING CUS ITS WIRESLESS - customers
@rough zephyr #330944238910963714
this is a random chat channel, wont get much help here
🙂
lilac basalt
@cedar glacier may i apply for a job?
would love answering those questions.
like: Did you double check the wlan cable sir? 😛
lilac basalt
i did a customer service ... that's hell on earth
lying lying and again lying to the customer just for the company's profit 🙂
wet pilot
i did support for a while. no real lying though
wet pilot
still wanted out and am a dev now 🙂
cedar glacier
we get paid well
we're a high-end ISP famous for it's customer service, winning award after award
aka we're not a US isp
lilac basalt
depends of the customer service purpose i think
cedar glacier
dont have any upsell targets or whatever
actually most of the time im downgrading people and getting them better deals while fixing their wifi lmao
no comission either, so we just do what's best for the customer without incentives to break that
lilac basalt
lol
cedar glacier
the only issue is, a lot of our customers are companies that think we're a business ISP
they're like, 'you cant fix this cut underground fiber within an hour?!!!??! what do i pay you for'
lilac basalt
@cedar glacier you might able to help me with an mqtt issue? 😛
wet pilot
you pay us for 95% uptime
clever mortar
Hell, our national provider can't fix fibre in a week...
cedar glacier
i always reply with well you had 456 days of uptime before that, and we're unable to offer you a 1-hour SLA. there's other providers that do that, but that will cost you x10 more lmao
@lilac basalt nah havent got mine to work yet. we got a major outage at work here so im too busy to try now
lilac basalt
hell our provider even doesn't know that i can use fiber without their box 😛
cedar glacier
we allow people to use their own hardware, hell i've configured cisco switches for customers before
all under the best effort motto
lilac basalt
@cedar glacier as i am not that familiar with fiber .. what hardware do i need?
cedar glacier
ìf we dont officially support it, we'll try our best with our knowledge and our google to try and make it work, but dont come running to us pointing fingers if it dont work
lmao
lilac basalt
modem i mean
cedar glacier
well, our customers mostly use the provided router. technically they still have to use our modem. which is just a converter from fiber to ethernet
lilac basalt
those idiots wanna install their anti privacy box in my house .. i said NO they said it's not possible even to use dsl without their box ... but it is ..i am running my own modem with my own router
cedar glacier
anything with an ethernet port that can establish a PPPOE connection will work on our fiber
lilac basalt
which provider?
i am located in france 😛
i need a splitter or converter right.. this one has an eenthernet connection for my router?
cedar glacier
can't tell you due to my privacy (lotsa people on reddit who dont like me) but it's a dutch one anyway haha
lilac basalt
reddit stinks 😛
cedar glacier
this is what we have at our customers houses
well, something similair
fiber goes in, ethernet comes out
lilac basalt
no modem needed?
wet pilot
att has something similar for me
lilac basalt
or is it included in this wonderbox?
cedar glacier
this is the modem, technically
lilac basalt
but i need to insert my provider credencials in my router like with dsl right?
lilac basalt
should this work with asuswrt merlin?
i want to avoid using their box.. like this i want they attach the fiber to my house with this box and i want to connect those to my router
cedar glacier
yeah, that could work depending on the ISP. some ISP's use proprietary shit / wont tell you the PPPoE creds
cedar glacier
@clever mortar last week i had a call with a cut fiber line that was fixed within literally 30 minutes lmfao
lilac basalt
netherlands rocks!
cedar glacier
submitted the ticket, they had someone closeby, ezpz. was a very very lucky event, most of the time it takes 1-3 days
hearty depot
always asking me if I could sniff them
lilac basalt
ok.. then i will ask them if they will provide the creds while installing the fiber 😛
cedar glacier
what provider is it?
lilac basalt
orange france
but i'll google how to sniff the creds 😛
can i buy the fiber converter somewhere?
cedar glacier
no, that 99% sure wont work for your line and is actually not allowed to be installed by the end user
reason being, if you fuck the fiber up, you're out thousands of euros
you could always ask them if their router does bridgemode
lilac basalt
then i sick to DSL 🙂
cedar glacier
give them a call and ask about bridgemode
lilac basalt
they don't know a shit
those are undereducated idiots reading their answers from a script
i'll go into a "shop" to ask
but i already know the answer : a technician will come around .. break your front of the house and install the proper box.
cedar glacier
someone on a forum said they used a router with an SFP connection to use their own router
I can just plug the SFP on my router and roll up raoul. I just do not know if Orange will not come to see me wondering why there is equipment with the wrong mac address on their network.
is it the livebox you'll be getting?
cus that doesnt have bridge
@lilac basalt ^
strange vapor
I have come across an ISP who would only accept certain mac addresses! Their engineer got very pissed off when I pointed out on a semi public forum that it's possible to fake the mac on a lot of devices 🙂
clear ferry
DSL ? Are you guys calling in from 2008? 
hearty depot
arent that almost all devices capible?
clever mortar
Large parts of the UK are still limited to DSL
strange vapor
@clear ferry On DSL here. Still amazed I can get 100/20 on a cable installed in the 40s 😄
clever mortar
FTTC is still "bleeding edge", and don't get me started on the FTTP "rollout"
low harness
@clear ferry Large parts of the world aren't Scandinavia.
strange vapor
I can upgrade to Fibre, but would have to change ISPs. Current ISP is my old employer and I'm still on "Mate's Rates" for the DSL 😄
low harness
Old phone lines are amazing, really. There was actually a time when people could easily set up a complete galvanic connection to the other side of the world, and did so daily.
strange vapor
Handily, I'm on a "Business Connection", and there's no other business on that exchange, so my contention ratio is 1:1 🙂
low harness
It's insane!
clever mortar
If that's a Home Assistant thing... try #general-archived
clear ferry
Yeah, I was only half ironic though, I haven't seen anyone roll out DSL here in years though
light trout
That's an #551844176556457984 thingy
strange vapor
@clear ferry In order to make figures look good, the main infra provider in Ireland managed to get Dual Channel ISDN classed as Broadband a while back.
Lets them do those nice coverage maps which look good in reports.
clear ferry
When I lived in Ireland we could only get wireless broadband 🤢
strange vapor
Not sure if it's still the case today.
low harness
My last ADSL subscription was great. I was almost alone on the trunk.
strange vapor
I still have a 56k serial modem around here somewhere.
Don't think I have anything with a serial port to plug it into....
scenic radish
so random question... what are typical soft drink sizes outside the US? let's say you go to the store and grab a bottle of pop (single serving), what's a typical size?
in the US it's 20 oz (~600 mL)
clever mortar
330 ml for cans, 500 ml for bottles
strange vapor
@clear ferry Still have some USB to Serial around, but any more modern network kit I've used has a usb port for console access.
hushed basalt
@strange vapor does the usb in the device present itself as a serial adapter
Our cans/bottles are typically 330ml/600mL
Cans are like $1.60 and bottles are like $4-4.50 lol
strange vapor
@hushed basalt Yup, usually something along the lines of /dev/ttyUSBX
strange vapor
@hushed basalt Some of them present as a net adapter as well. Easier to transfer firmware over scp :)
clear ferry
@scenic radish my father the cocacolic loves going to the us, for those ridiculous large bottles of coke
A 0.5l bottle here is $2.60 I think
scenic radish
oh the 2 liters? lol
clear ferry
No, the 0.6+ ones, I think I saw 0.68 in new Jersey
scenic radish
ah gotcha. yeah 0.6L is common
scenic radish
Gotta pay for that refrigeration ❄
hushed basalt
Yeah where the thermostat is set to like 12 degrees
green inlet
Why would you waste empty calories on soft drinks (not pop @scenic radish, you must be from the Windy City) when you can drink 🍺
scenic radish
Good point, there's always diet pop I suppose 😉
And yeah, just outside Chicago city limits actually
unreal orbit
Sounds cold
wet pilot
how 'bout dem blackhawks? 😛
scenic radish
Still mad about Coach Q getting fired
wet pilot
last year?
scenic radish
Yup lol
green inlet
No one but Chicago residents calls it pop 🤣
wet pilot
its a north US thing mostly
green inlet
I have family in Chicago. Love downtown Chicago. Pop hurts my brain
wet pilot
always been soda to me
green inlet
I guess I am from the south. Not really but that’s where I went to HS. We always called it by its name. Coke, sprite, Pepsi.
scenic radish
Well we do that too, pop is just the general term
wet pilot
yeah, south tends to say "Coke" for everything for some reason
green inlet
I think it is the Midwest twang in pop that always made the hair on the back of my neck stand up
wet pilot
i'm a MIL brat so its "soda"
green inlet
I was gonna say...general term....you mean coke?
scenic radish
I've always found that interesting
green inlet
The next upgrade of HAss needs to figure out a way we can all trade places for a day. I have seen many parts of the world.....still on my bucket list though is Australia, Italy, France, Germany......probably others.
hushed basalt
Straya is overrated
ocean mirage
^
hushed basalt
Large neolib conservative agenda, entitlement, no investment in transport or tech, renewables, education,
Social welfare, prisoner rehabilitation,
ocean mirage
as opposed to those progressive neolibs ;)
hushed basalt
War on drugs, war on poor, war on privacy, war on free speech and protest
Neolibs can be progressive too
wet pilot
should go to kiwi land instead?
ocean mirage
Point me at a progressive neolib
genuinely curious how that works
oh I missed your next line lol
got me
brisk glen
Well... now we know what our privacy is worth
scenic radish
So Tesla unveiled just about the ugliest truck I've ever seen lmao
wet pilot
hushed basalt
Lol
low harness
Simones Truckla looks way better.
boreal pewter
hushed basalt
I'm thinking of setting it to arm/disarm automatically depending on the status of our phones
clever mortar
Convenient, as long as you don't also have a smart lock linked to that phone
Otherwise having your phone == full access to the house
hushed basalt
Nah :D
Although for 99.999% of people their keys also mean full access to their house
And they can get taken just as easily as phones
If not more easily
I'll probably set up an NFC reader for my front door when I have a house,
But most day to day ingress/egress would be through the garage
The way I think I'd have it.
- open the interior garage door, the lights turn on
- interior door swings close automatically, electronic strike locks on close
- press a button by the door, opens the garage door
- hop in car, drive through the open garage door
- safety beam sensors on garage door get broken, door is programmed to close 5 seconds after being clear
- drive away, door shuts automatically
- phone disappears on unifi AP, alarm armed
And basically the same in reverse
Open garage door with standard GDO in car, drive in, door closes automatically, HA detects Bluetooth of car, unlocks interior door
orchid rose
Lots of steps where the logic might fail if there's something different you need to do
hushed basalt
How so
orchid rose
Well the most obvious issues would be phone running out of battery or car BT not connecting etc. But also something stuff like someone walking out of the garage causing the door to automatically close etc
hushed basalt
Phone runs out of battery, the google TTS would tell me the alarm is being armed status pending
And I could disarm it with a tablet or computer
If the bluetooth doesn't pickup I just have to unlock the interior door another way
Walking out without keys and getting locked out is something that can happen to anyone, anywhere.
orchid rose
My HA stuff is pretty limited, but in general the biggest issues I've had, have been stuff turning off at wrong times so I usually try to avoid any needlessly complicated automations that turn off stuff
if a light turns on when you don't need it, is not a huge issue, but it turning off can be 🙂
hushed basalt
It's really just 4 or 5 very simple separate automations
But by their powers combined, they become CAPTAIN PLANET
And to be honest the only critical one is the garage door closing automatically
And that's handled internally by the garage door opener itself. Plus i have sensors to alert me it's left open for too long
scenic radish
personally, i don't want anything related to my doors locking/unlocking or garage opening/closing (IF I HAD ONE) to be automated, i want manual control for those things
hushed basalt
The chance of HA falsely reporting closed is much lower than the chance of me driving away and leaving it open
scenic radish
but you do you, boo 😘
hushed basalt
The opening is manual
And the automatic unlocking is an interior door so lower risk
scenic radish
ah gotcha. you said
And basically the same in reverse
orchid rose
Same and I'd also keep them offline too, but I know a lot of people like the idea at least
hushed basalt
But then I followed up
scenic radish
but i do like your idea
hushed basalt
Open garage door with standard GDO in car, drive in, door closes automatically, HA detects Bluetooth of car, unlocks interior door
hushed basalt
M for message
hushed basalt
Sorry can't hear you
scenic radish
FOREVER
hushed basalt
Too busy not reading your message
scenic radish
lol
orchid rose
is it easy to mimic a BT device btw?
scenic radish
oh yeah mac spoofing is a thing
but that requires someone to know the mac, and that you have a bluetooth automation to begin with
hushed basalt
I'd say risk matrix is acceptable
scenic radish
yeah, tbh probably negligible risk of that
orchid rose
true
hushed basalt
Targeted sophisticated attacks just don't happen domestically
hushed basalt
Junkies smashing your window in
hushed basalt
I think my HA setup is 1000 times safer than some ADT panel with the default master code
scenic radish
no one would guess 0000
orchid rose
my phone pin is 0000 😐
scenic radish
haqed
scenic radish
i use a combo of the two
hushed basalt
White space
My password is
I need to jack into my rentals existing alarm panel
scenic radish
lol
orchid rose
New Android phones allow you to disable lock screen when the phone is in local wifi, right?
hushed basalt
I just want a simple way to monitor the logic levels on the zones and put that into a RPi
Yeah it's a feature
It's dumb
scenic radish
actually not with wi-fi networks, at least not anymore
trusted places (location), trusted devices (bluetooth)
orchid rose
alright, I guess that's a lot safer
I used to have Tasker doing that for me, but it required root
scenic radish
on-body detection, which always seemed... not the safest to me lol
but it requires an unlock first
and when you set it down, it locks again
light trout
I've disabled all those features
scenic radish
same
my fiancee just got a pixel 3a XL and i'm still on my OG pixel XL 😢
i'm jealous lol
light trout
Switch them, she will probably not notice
scenic radish
i actually thought of doing that lol
she'd def notice though
"i thought my phone was plastic... and why are my screen corners not rounded anymore?"
"uh... software update."
wet pilot
should probably get off the OG pixel as its going out of support this year
scenic radish
i know... last major software update already, and last patch in december...
but i like it 😐
amber bramble
just got a text from my wife that said "if you buy me anything for christmas i want it to be a robot vacuum" 🎉
wet pilot
lol
amber bramble
so now the question is, what kind of robot vacuums are available that are reasonable controllable and cheap
and work decently on hardwood because literally only 1 room of our house has carpet 🤣
low harness
Roborock. End of discussion.
scenic radish
80% of my condo is carpet
not relevant to your problem though, i just need attention
clever mortar
We have carpet in the bedrooms, because it's nice underfoot in cold mornings, and on the stairs, because the wife prefers it there
Otherwise, solid flooring everywhere
scenic radish
bylaws require me to have carpet everywhere except the kitchen, bathrooms, and laundry room due to noise concerns
it's a requirement above the first floor in my condo complex
clever mortar
That's reasonable
scenic radish
yeah. i don't mind it actually. i like carpet
unreal orbit
Our old apartment was the same way
scenic radish
look at mr. moneybags over here with his heated floors 😉
clever mortar
Bests is valid too
scenic radish
it is indeed
low harness
True
scenic radish
my internal parser showed no errors
unreal orbit
Mine showed a warning
scenic radish
better than an error
clever mortar
English is a handy language, in that you can abuse it horribly, and it still makes sense
scenic radish
lol
clever mortar
This also makes learning it a PITA
clear ferry
Last time i saw carpeted floors in Norway was my grandmother's house in 1993 I think
But it was built in 1952
green inlet
So does roborock just meet the requested requirements from cgarwood or is it all around the best? I am also looking. We have a mix of carpet and hardwood and lots of obstacles.
boreal pewter
Everyone would just recommend the Roborock. Paying more than 500 is just ridiculous and expecting anything 'good' under 300 is... dangerous. So an old S50 for just above 300 or even better the newer S6 is a pretty solid choice
There is also a well known custom firmware if it's about the china thingy.. I run it myself too
German production cough
scenic radish
Got this little dude in the package with my hacktoberfest t-shirt
I find it funny for some reason
clear ferry
I'm still waiting for my shirt
scenic radish
bummer
unreal orbit
@green inlet it's just the best
@clear ferry move to freedomland and you'll get it faster 🙂
scenic radish
scenic radish
sry
unreal orbit
not sry
clear ferry
unreal orbit
FBI agents don't wear police hats 🤔
clear ferry
scenic radish
going to the gun range after work and getting taco bell after that
maybe i really am a stereotypical american
although i'm going to the gym after that. not sure where that falls with the stereotypical american
boreal pewter
A muricaner
unreal orbit
Indoor range?
scenic radish
yeah
unreal orbit
I haven't been in a long while. I should do that soon
scenic radish
so fun
i go about once a month, although it's been a few months since i went last
do you own any guns or just rent each time?
unreal orbit
it's probably been 2 years since the last time I shot a gun
I own 3. 2 handguns and a shotgun
scenic radish
ah nice. i have a smith and wesson M&P 2.0 and a shield M2.0. both 9mm
unreal orbit
Nice, my hi-point is 9mm, but it's a POS. My Colt 1911 is my main at the range
unreal orbit
It's illegal to buy in California nowadays. I got it like a year before they changed the law
scenic radish
interesting
i think illinois was the last state to allow concealed carry
and i'm in cook county which has strict laws already
scenic radish
i think open carry is excessive
concealed carry i could understand. but yeah, there are very strict criteria that need to be met for you to use your weapon legally
unreal orbit
Even if it is "legal" you'll still likely be financially ruined from the court and lawyer fees
scenic radish
yup. that's why there's self-defense insurance
unreal orbit
All the Europeans are nervous because the Muricans are talking about guns 👀
scenic radish
lmao
scenic radish
ah nice, i have a broadlink
wet pilot
@scenic radish https://skillet.lifehacker.com/thickening-your-bisque-with-taco-bell-rolled-tacos-is-n-1839989612
fallow galleon
!?!?
is this a LPT or a meme?
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/19333006/40923782-ffa98f82-6815-11e8-80e2-98856bdccf39.jpg
scenic radish
light trout
really?
clear ferry
Yes if going outdoors
Appears they have gotten more flexible on it
Now it is only recommended
I see different messages though
`You must carry a gun outside the settlements. In a 2012 law the Governor of Svalbard requires anyone travelling outside the settlements to have the means to scare off a polar bear. This means carrying a firearm is mandatory, and items like flare guns are also highly recommended.
It is prohibited to use a weapon within the settlements though. Several of the shops, restaurants and other public buildings have ‘no firearms permitted' signs on the main doors.`
unreal orbit
@fallow galleon using twist ties as jumper wires?
unreal orbit
I'd say that's a LPT. They work in a pinch
unreal orbit
I've done it
but jumper wire kits are dirt cheap, so it's only necessary if you have limited options
fallow galleon
yea. I'm just surprised to see that on an "official" guide
scenic radish
@clear ferry brb, moving to svalbard
jk but really, interesting. how is that enforced?
unreal orbit
It's not going to hurt anything. Pretty much anything metal will work. All you need is conductivity. You could also use a paper clip
Or a staple
scenic radish
or a correct horse battery staple: https://xkcd.com/936/
unreal orbit
The benefit of twist ties is they are insulated
fallow galleon
I imagine the sleeve also make sure of the connectivity
clear ferry
@scenic radish well, if you don't do it you get eaten by a polar bear
scenic radish
ah
clear ferry
And they go, we told you so
scenic radish
that would be worse than being eaten by the bear
clear ferry
Also, you aren't allowed to die or be born on Svalbard
scenic radish
that doesn't sound right, but i don't know enough about svalbard to dispute it
unreal orbit
@scenic radish good call on that Fossil watch. I think I'm gonna get one 👍
scenic radish
for sure! i'd read this beforehand though... https://www.reddit.com/r/pebble/comments/dz5qa4/spoiler_alert_the_fossil_hybrid_hr_is_not_a/
@clever mortar you were right... notifications only from 13 select apps...
velvet horizonBOT
Tinkerer is away for 6m 11s with a message :point_right: There isn't a way things should be. There's just what happens, and what we do.
scenic radish
thankfully those issues can be fixed with a software upd8
unreal orbit
Yeah none of those are deal-breaking for me. Gmail uses HTML5 notification, I wonder if anything using HTML5 would work
scenic radish
and fossil has a good return policy if you don't like it
they include a pre-paid return label in the box
unreal orbit
As long as I get text/call notifications that's all I really care about
I want to see if it's worth pulling out my phone when it goes off
scenic radish
assuming your texting app is supported...
i'm not sure how ominous this really is though
unreal orbit
notifications per app is just.... strange. Why would they not tie directly into Android notifications?
scenic radish
exactly, who knows
wet pilot
might not have access?
scenic radish
i'm under the impression that pebble (and other smartwatches) just intercept the text from notifications and format it for the watch
notification access is a permission on android
wet pilot
right, but google has been locking that one down quite a bit lately
unreal orbit
It shouldn't be a permission issue.
clear mirage
So I've been wondering... what would be the easiest way to get a particular sports teams score into HA as sensor?
scenic radish
clever mortar
That's.... annoying about the Fossil, but, I'll wait and see how it goes
I don't mind the lack of apps though, I barely use anything other than weather and media controls
scenic radish
same, don't care about the apps at all
notifications are the deal breaker for me if they don't make it more general
like... if i can't see telegram and abode notifications then no go
clever mortar
Telegram, WhatsApp, Hangouts, Calendar, GMail... and a bunch of travel related apps
insert airline here
scenic radish
insert 99% of the apps i use here
what about my reddit notifications?! 😭
and discord!!
hushed basalt
Reddit is the worst
Google something, reddit result
Do you want to open this in reddit app. no
AMP view of thread
Follow link to open in reddit
Do you want to open this in reddit.
No
This experience is better on the app.
No
Urghhh
wet pilot
i just set up the association in the RIF app and called it a day
hushed basalt
RIF?
wet pilot
Reddit Is Fun
white radish
Has anyone had much success using a surface pro 3 as a tablet interface.. any good software for wake on motion for front camera? or other good stuff. All i got now is chrome browser in fullscren
slim rampartBOT
That role no longer exists.
hushed basalt
@white radish you could put ubuntu on it
It might make it easier to automate some stuff
In theory
white radish
hmm i saw someone else on reddit did that. but not sure how i coudl take advantage
tough igloo
There’s iotlink for Windows devices. Works pretty well @white radish https://gitlab.com/iotlink/iotlink
white radish
i see i have options to turn the screen on and off. that seems like what i want. not just to see if can get the front camera involved to trigger it
scenic radish
My router does not appear to like when I try to set a static IP address on my laptop with Debian server. I had to let it assign my laptop the bullshit IP address that I don't want and do a DHCP reservation
hushed basalt
Debian is crap with dhcp for some reason
scenic radish
But if I try to set a static IP on the laptop, my router at some point stops seeing my laptop on the network even though I can Home Assistant in my browser using the static IP
And can ping the router from the laptop
hushed basalt
I'm sure some "enthusiastic" person on the linuc discord will have a reason why it's superior
Even though have my dns namespace stuff doesn't work on ubuntu, and works on everything else
So i have to use workarounds that make everything less good
scenic radish
Any clue why that might be happening? It honestly seems like my router
hushed basalt
What is the problem
hushed basalt
My guess it's the assigned gateway in the dhcp lease
When you say your router stops seeing it on the network
What exactly do you mean
scenic radish
I go to the page where I can see all connected devices and it doesn't appear anymore
But accessing at the static IP I assign on the laptop works
hushed basalt
Connected devices usually only shows devices assigned by dhcp
scenic radish
Except my port forwarding rule stops working so bye bye remote access
hushed basalt
Can you just use dhcp with static lease anyways
scenic radish
I go to port forwarding rules and I see the rule but with "unavailable" next to the device name
hushed basalt
What router are you using
scenic radish
Google WiFi lol
Never had this issue before
I moved my home assistant setup from my pi to an old laptop
hushed basalt
Can you assign your port forward by strictly typing in an ip
Rather than selecting a device
scenic radish
I just want it to be 192.168.87.2 but I have to let my router assign 192.168.87.40 😢
For some stupid reason, no
hushed basalt
It's probably some google thing
"devices" would only be devices allocated a dhcp lease too
scenic radish
.40 is the start of the DHCP pool
scenic radish
I've tried but for some reason after restarting networking, bringing enp5s0 back up, and even rebooting the host it never picks up the new IP
It stays on .40 or it gets FUBAR again
I've power cycled my router like 10 fucking times in the last 2 hours too lol
hushed basalt
🤷
scenic radish
All good
hushed basalt
This is why I use open source routers :D
hushed basalt
GoOglE knOws BeSt
scenic radish
I'm wondering if I'm just fucking up my /etc/network/interfaces file or something
scenic radish
But I'm following the official Debian guide on setting a static IP
But then no mesh
scenic radish
It can't be in bridge mode
Which is what I'm assuming you're saying by using it as an access point only
Yep, it's all happy now that I let it assign an IP. Who fucking knows lol
Thanks for listening to my rant
hushed basalt
All good
clear ferry
@hushed basalt Debian is crap with dhcp? I've been running Debian for 15+ years, and running DHCP reservations, never had issues
clear ferry
hushed basalt
clear ferry
I love the sesame Street food truck show
cunning pewter
Greetings.
scenic radish
Felicitations.
clear ferry
scenic radish
So your almighty DHCP reservations are doing nothing right now atx
I can't assign my laptop the IP I want with DHCP and it's not taken by another device
clear ferry
Shitty DHCP servers won't help 🤷
