so that it checks if I was away for like 5+ minutes before it'll activate
#the-water-cooler
valid halo
clever mortar
How did I not know before now that Hangouts Chat supports webhooks. All of a sudden my HA notifications just got massively simplified
To avoid restarting HA, I am of course abusing my existing logfile notifier, with swatchdog and a crappy shell script
light trout
Is Hangouts still active?😮
clever mortar
Hangouts is dying, but Chat isn't
(yes, ok, I have a Google Apps domain)
Now I no longer need a separate notifier service, I can do it all through a thing (other than Discord) I always use
light trout
Ahh it was allo I was thinking of 😜
light trout
clever mortar
Meh, I kind of assume that my biometrics are held by every government of a country I've travelled through
clear ferry
We are in so many databases already and people are shocked every time the database is actually used, but never bat an eye when they add their favourite dog and mothers maiden name on 300 different sites
Or when they share on Facebook that they checked into hotel X in country y
clever mortar
Moving forward, we will shut down the Works with Nest developer program on August 31, 2019 🤔
Wonder how many folks will stop reading there, and miss the and focus on delivering a single consumer and developer experience through the Works with Google Assistant program
daring anchor
I’m a Works with Nest developer. Will I be able to access and control Nest devices moving forward?
No. The Actions on Google Smart Home platform does not provide open API access to Nest devices, so it cannot be used to access and control Nest devices. Instead, managing and controlling Google Home, Nest, and thousands of third-party smart home devices is done through the Google Home app and the Google Assistant.
clever mortar
It's a little bit here we go again, but also I suspect that in another 6 months the situation will have changed again 😛
daring anchor
yeah, their whole team is moving to google. Instead of using the Nest app for their devices, you'll access everything from the Google Home app. If they start down that path, I don't see any way to reverse direction without building new functionality into the Actions with Google API. I think it'll be a while before they offer that.
clever mortar
In principle, it's a good plan
In reality... this is Google, they'll roll out two apps instead
upper tinsel
Google does build two of everything
clever mortar
N+1 of everything
daring anchor
It makes perfect sense for Google. I'm honestly surprised they didn't come out with a second thermostat line!
clever mortar
Give it time, give it time...
upper tinsel
To be fair, compressing their line to only use Nest branding makes sense, and why develop two apps when they can focus on one?
daring anchor
Not just two apps. They're merging the entire nest ecosystem under Google Home. It was an independent company under Alphabet before now.
Honestly, I'm on the first generation Nest thermostat. I was considering getting a new one eventually. I guess I'll be getting an ecobee by September. I gain too much by having it accessible through home assistant.
upper tinsel
Was also looking to get an Ecobee, but still living in an apartment with wall AC units so 🤷
uneven cobalt
Heres hoping that we can get direct control from the google home to home assistant in the near future! https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/05/07/googles-speakers-and-displays-add-local-control-of-smart-home-devices-starting-with-hue-tp-link-more/
clever mortar
Would open up an interesting possibility of local Google Home -> HA
uneven cobalt
With the announcement of on device google assistant on phones coming this fall, it likely wont be long until on device google assistant devices like Google Home. We may not be that far of completely local voice control
odd hill
...i just hope they, at some point, sooner rather than later, figure out that if you don't allow the home automation community to interact with this shit without having to go through the cloud, they're going to bleed market share to the competition like a motherfucker.
listen. for most people, sure. cloud & app work fine. for us? GIVE US THE FUCKING OPTION. THATS ALL WE FUCKING WANT. WE DON"T NEED YOU TO HOLD OUR HAND.
toxic ivy
A lot of the thread on /r/homeassistant is saying to ditch the cloud options and go with a z-wave thermostat that isn't managed by the cloud.
How much chicken little syndrom is that?
odd hill
yeah, but most of those suck.
there's two big players right now. nest and ecobee
the rest are...meh at best.
it's not just about zigbee. there's something to be said about aesthetic and compatibility.
toxic ivy
I saw this linked in the thread
If you have a z-wave stick already, why wouldn't something similar to this be a viable alternative? Sure it doesn't look as nice as a NEST and it doesn't have cloud access but /shrug
odd hill
if you're in here, "cloud" access is a vpn or a nabu casa subscription away. but back to my earlier point...there's something that gets the job done, and then there's something that looks fucking good doing it.
also, i wouldn't necessarily club the transition to death quite yet. if there's an api, even if it's through google home/assistant, that means that as long as you have an account, you'll be able to get to that bitch via the internets, so let's not panic quite yet because the access is there. it's just changing. and hopefully google will do a better job with the data being provided from the thermostat than nest did. because whichever jackass set the temp granularity to whole units and the humidity to a granularity of fucking FIVE PERCENT, needs to be kicked in the balls.
halcyon magnet
@odd hill Nest support confirmed their FAQ, there will be no third party control, only able to control devices using google’s app
I demanded they buy back my 3rd gen thermostat
They are supposed to be sending me a form
odd hill
3rd party, as in outside google.
HA integrates with google.
i take that to mean that you just have to go through the google API for control.
halcyon magnet
The not how he explained it
toxic ivy
@odd hill I do use nabu casa. I gladly pay that 5 dollars. Will that cover my Nest now tho? Who knows.
ember ridge
"One developer platform. We want to unify our efforts around third-party connected home devices under a single developer platform – a one-stop shop for both our developers and our customers to build a more helpful home. To accomplish this, we’ll be winding down Works with Nest on August 31, 2019, and delivering a single unified experience through the Works with Google Assistant program"
is that not contradicting the previous third party access statements?
humble pond
That is to integrate your devices, not access theirs.
halcyon magnet
humble pond
Which is what Home Assistant’s google integration does today. Expose HA devices to Google that wouldn’t be exposed otherwise. Not the other way around.
Back to un-official Nest API it is. At least we can get streaming video for cameras through that 😉
halcyon magnet
I want to know more on that also
I like the nest hardware, but no control via HA is a deal breaker
odd hill
i saw a video of this one dude from some some FL polytech who rooted the nest a while ago. finding out if we can custom firmware that might be fun. it's basically just linux.
halcyon magnet
I couldn’t find any guides on rooting the third gen
But that would be a great option, for all of its so called learning, it seems pretty basic
odd hill
this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AnvTgAKa-g
that's because in order to be truly "smart" it would need to know your houses orientation, construction, plus internal and external temp/humidity...plus occupant geo info then fed into a NN to come up with a truly "smart" thermostat.
@humble pond bro. don't just drop some unofficial nest api and then peace out. 😉
GIMME THEM LINKS SON
humble pond
It’s the API their app uses.
odd hill
that's not unofficial...
humble pond
Reverse engineered, not local.
odd hill
it's shit, but it's not unofficial
humble pond
Unofficial for Home Assistant use
odd hill
literally on their...well...was on their dev page.
they has code samples and everything.
humble pond
No, the api they exposed to Works With Nest devs is not the same they use
odd hill
oh...you mean like...literally their nest phone app?
odd hill
ah. i mean...all those features, from what i recall, was on there. minus some account stuff.
odd hill
video is absolutely your area of expertise, so i'll believe you there. 😉
humble pond
My nest hello doorbell is useless. Can’t get notifications sent to Home Assistant, and their notification is so slow the person is gone for 10 minutes before I even get alerted.
odd hill
...these companies man...if they keep trying to suck up all our data and not allow local access...gonna bite them in the ass. because some company will come out and allow it...
oh. dude. don't get me started on the fucking thermostat "streaming" api.
humble pond
They don’t care about 10,000 people who are interested in home automation...
Their market share is much bigger than that.
odd hill
...it's bigger than that. and they should. because we're the reason anyone else who ends up buying the new smart product even knows about said smart product, because the rest of those mouthbreathers saw it at our place and now want one.
and while we may be a small part of their target market, we're fucking annoying.
so what's the smarter business move in the long term? work with us and make us happy, or make us angry...because i can tell you right now...they won't like us when we're...angry...
humble pond
Yeah, as shown by all the moaning when we update Home Assistant without reading release notes and it breaks our setup!
😉
odd hill
well...to be fair...you only moan the first time. and then you come to grips with the fact that you should be more surprised if something DOESN"T break when you update.
ooooh
yeah. this is gonna be fine. so...
and i'm sure p^2 already got this down.
so...it's basically gonna be a webhook thing between Google and either Nabu or your house.
and anyone who can't figure out webhooks is gonna be boned.
...i guess the problem now is going to be if we can somehow query google for the actual temp data...
like...automate basically the payload for the intent which then responds with the non-verbal data payload...god that's just so annoying when you should be able to poke the device locally.
well i guess that solves that...
humble pond
That’s how you make google do things with the stuff it knows about, but how do you know about the things google does, or the internal states it stores?
clear mirage
Since I heard of this and my nest actually came with my house, I'm considering replacing it with something else.. that allows local control
odd hill
Y'all need more faith in determined nerds and keyboards.
I'm hesitant as well, but let's see how this plays out.
It may not end up being as shitty as we fear. Who knows. It might be better. And then we all get unicorns.
hidden finch
Google nest...hmmm
hidden finch
Sounds like all nest products are going to break in home assistant around the end of August
valid halo
I must admit
as much as I go CLOUD BAD
Nest Doorbell is LIT
compared to my meh Ring
severe shadow
It looks like you can no longer make nest dev accounts
so for any new owners (myself), SOL
so I don't even have until this August
odd hill
i mean they said you couldn't like last december, but you still could. and if you haven't made one by now...KINDA no reason to at this point.
odd hill
it's not over. it's changing. everyone needs to chill the fuck out until we see what the local SDK is all about.
they're literally testing a local SDK so you can control components without cloud.
severe shadow
right
but that doesn't exist right now
and then HA component would need to be updated
odd hill
for you? yeah. you're fucked until whatever is happening next.
in the meantime, just hook your nest account up with google home and put a pin in it.
severe shadow
lol
I think I can be a little upset at least, this literally happened a few days after I got a nest. I was excited to use that thing
now its useless to me
I'm just gonna sell it and get an ecobee
severe shadow
yea, the entire reason I got it is so I can read its state.....
now that isn't possible for me anymore
so, useless (for me)
how am I supposed to make automations without knowing its state lol
valid halo
I think the hardest thing to crib from Nest would be it's doorbell schtick
I think Tensorflow can rec people and such
but doing stuff like "Dog Barking" or what have you
THe cloud might be BAD but it s nice at times to be able to just leverage someone elses expensive hardware
hollow robin
Hello all,
Super noob here, just got hass.io set up on my RP3 last night, and was wanting to follow this video from Bruh about port forwarding: https://youtu.be/BIvQ8x_iTNE. Im at the part where he is accessing the RP3 command line via putty on his PC (@4:50), and I am trying to access my RP3 on putty on my Surface Pro 4.
I typed in my RP3 IP address into the 'Host Name/IP Address' line and have it set to SSH, port 22. When this happens, I get this error: "Network Error : Connection Refused". After some googling, it seems from others that this is something to do with the SSH on my RP3. On the microSD card in my RP3, I only have Hass.IO installed.
I took out my Hass.IO card and put back in my original microSD card that has the original NOOBS software on it. I opened the command line, found the IP address, went onto my Windows laptop and into Putty, typed in the IP address, and I was in! But when I try this on my Hass.IO microSD card, it will not work. I have no idea what to do from here. This is what I currently see with my RP3 with Hass.IO installed with a monitor plugged in to view it: https://imgur.com/a/foSNiOH
I am REALLY entry level with this stuff, and trying my best to understand all of the lingo/syntax/etc, so a lot of what is mentioned on HA so far has been super confusing. If anyone has any ideas on what to do, I would be very appreciative.
valid halo
question
can you access the RPi's Home assistant front end?
or could you?
IIRC on Hassio you need an add on for SSh
hollow robin
Yes, on my surface pro currently, it's up and running. I just (in the last minute) added the "SSH server" add-on from the 'Hass.io' tab. I wasn't sure if I need to do anything from there in the Config box under the start button. I tried putty again after adding on the SSH server just now, still same issue
valid halo
Did you start the SSH addon. It doesn't start automatically when you install it. Only when the system boots
Also I just lost power. Thor is trying to murder my pi
hollow robin
Forgive my novice-ness, but how do I start it? Also, Do I need to do anything to the config box?
valid halo
Click hassio. Click the SSH addon under installed addons. It should have a start button. I don't think so.
hollow robin
Who knew port forwarding would be so difficult for me 🤣🤣🤣
Hopefully I can figure it out soon, thank you for your help
storm summit
@hollow robin pay the $5 for nabu casa 😃
hollow robin
I think I got it!! I watched Bruh's video on the SSH add-on and was able to create a private key, paste that into the "authorized_keys" brackets in the config box, and used 'hassio.local' as the host name/IP address instead of the actual IP address. This brought up the login, and used root as the login. Now this is what I see:
Now my question is: since I logged in as "hassio.local" and not the IP address, can I still do what I need to do?
Following Bruh's first video on port forwarding
clear ferry
It doesn't matter how you login, you still get to the same system
But based on the question the suggestion about Nabu casa is probably the best one
steel tartan
so, that new google home local sdk sounds nice... wonder how we can hijack it 😄
hollow robin
Haha! I haven't done anything with that yet, just downloaded it (I actually don't have any Google homes right now, but I might soon)
silent storm
Hi guys i have a few questions i hope you can help me with i recently switched internet provider and as a result i switched from a fritzbox router to a Zyxel router is there any device tracker component available for this zyxel router (VMG8324-b10A) or can someone point me in the direction of a tutorial on how to write one of these components myself?
i am also looking for some new hardware and would love some input on what devices you guys like as alternatives to the google stuff like whats a good alternative for a google home mini for instance?
i am also looking at this thermostat from danfoss https://www.domoticagigant.nl/danfoss-z-wave-wand-thermostaat-sensor-rs-z does anyone have experience with this device?
http://products.danfoss.nl/productdetail/documents/heatingsolutions/kamer-en-klokthermostaten/kamerthermostaten/kamerthermostaat-ret-b/087n644300/#/ will this work with zwave?
clever mortar
@silent storm try #330944238910963714 where those questions are on topic 😉
clear ferry
Someone mentioned yesterday that the Xiaomi motion sensor only updated illumination on movement,but I haven't been in my office all day 🤔
proven spruce
its updated on an interval but a long one
clear ferry
Appears to be once per hour in the first big steps in the morning
proven spruce
i think that is correct, 60 minutes intervals
orchid rose
mine seems to occasionally update more often than that. Maybe it thinks it detects movement
clear ferry
Might be the change in light is detected as movement 🤷
hearty depot
It should be possible to owerrite the intervall
at least in z2m I overread an issue on that topic
green tartan
Hey all, just catching up on news within the Home Assistant world and noticed that Ubiquity are no longer sponsoring this project.
I have a concern/question which I hope someone could help answer/shed some light on.
Im a big consumer of the Unifi product line (Video and network) and wondering how this would implicate any future integrations between HASS and Unifi? 😟
orchid rose
hmm, Vivaldi browser supports some keyboards and Hue to change light colors depending on the web page content. I NEED to integrate this to home assistant so I can browser a football themed forum in green, right? right?
hearty depot
@green tartan I'd say no - There has never been a special Unifi integration. afaik they found the project awesome and sponsored them a little.
clear ferry
God damn shifting temperatures, I might lose all my tomato plants 😑
green tartan
@hearty depot thanks for the reply, I share the same view. Hopefully integration continues, if only Unifi made their API a bit more ...there 😁
valid halo
as far as I under stand the sponsorship stopping was cordial. For whatever reason they were no longer interested in HA sponsoring and went their seperate ways
green inlet
Anyone else get e-mails from google and nest explaining their move to one platform. Curious what this means for current operations with HASS
green tartan
@green inlet not seen anything, do you have an article you can share? keen to read a bit more on this
leaden jackal
Just scroll up a bit. Already a lot of discussion on Nest & Google.
unreal orbit
With their current rollout plan it will most certainly break the HA integration. Hopefully something else happens between now and August
worn jasper
nothing like the smell of burnt electronics in the morning XD
green tartan
seen the nest articles thanks!
modest wasp
I am moving from HA to HASSIO. I added the mqtt integration and tried adding 5 tasmota light switches. i copied the config exactly save the - because when I copy it with a - it says it isn't expecting an ordered entity. only 2 of the light switches show up. I am not using discovery. any ideas as to why 3 of the light switches wouldn't show up? i triple checked my config.
proven spruce
your config is wrong
modest wasp
hmm. right. but why would it be wrong. i'm trying to understand not just fix the issue
proven spruce
well you claim you copied the config exactly then refute that in the same sentence
so you did something in the copying process
modest wasp
@proven spruce thats fair. but it isn't that simple. here is the snip of the old and the new configs. https://pastebin.com/DGQPpBKq . in the old config both lights worked. in the new config only the dimmer door works. The difference in syntax and needing a "-" in the old vs the new is likely because I am following frencks configuration layout now and wasn't before. however, if I had messed up the syntax then both wouldn't work. all i did was remove the -.
proven spruce
- means a list item
if you've used frencks configuration you didn't follow it closely enough
modest wasp
thanks for the constructive input.
proven spruce
i cant help you further without knowing the configuration layout
valid halo
"Details get better help" -Me
modest wasp
I have been following frencks configuration layout. and example of one of the yaml files that isn't fully workiing is in entities/lights/living_room_recessed.yaml. the entire file is here https://pastebin.com/YP16w6nn . the group and the "door dimmer" show up but the "hall dimmer" does not show up.
proven spruce
yes but how did you do the !include for lights
modest wasp
The light component allows you to track and control various light bulbs.
This loads up my light configurations.
https://www.home-assistant.io/components/light/
light: !include_dir_list ../entities/lights
modest wasp
thank you. that is exactly what i was looking for. I hadn't seen that page on the wiki. it explains why sometimes i need - and sometimes I don't. it never made sense to me and felt like it was just "sometimes you do it this way and sometimes you do it the other way, just try until it works." now i have to try it.
upper tinsel
Samsung leaked the source code (and private keys) for the Smartthings app 🤦🏻♂️
https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/08/samsung-source-code-leak/
valid halo
lol
valid halo
I like Windows 😄
Windows and PROUD
holds up his WINDOWS PHONE and his ZUNE
these are totally going to be supported for the forseeable future
You'll SEE!
humble pond
The reason Microsoft bounced back under Nadella is strictly because the above statement is false 😂
valid halo
I do remember liking the tile UI of the windows phone
seeing all that info at a glance was nice
odd hill
Is this where we go for time out?
valid halo
No
TIme Out is when a Mod comes over and turns off your HA instance for a day
to watch you squirm
odd hill
You would have a zune...
odd hill
MiniDisk 4 lyfe
valid halo
Tasker is like Automate+++
What do you want to do with Automate?
that you can't do.
I will try to find out if Tasker can do it
before you spend 2.99
odd hill
enable wireguard if not connected to home wifi
valid halo
looks like yes?
it uses an android intent to enable the VPN
Oh wait
that's open VPN
Hmmmm
let me be MORE SPECIFIC in my googling
valid halo
fingers fly across the keyboard. tabs opening left and right
Okay let me think more on what you actually need Tasker to do for you
When you start your VPN. What actions do you take to do so?
Touch inputs/button presses and such
At the moment from my googling. it looks like you might need the AutoInput plug in to do the taps for you to start the app and then return to home screen when you connect to non home wifi
but then that's more learning to do
odd hill
valid halo
Oh a quick setting.
Lets see based on my five second google search. You'd need AutoInput to open the status bar and then tap that icon for you and then close the status bar. You could set up a profile to do it any time you're not connected to home wifi
2..99+1.35= 4.34 for Tasker and AUtoInput
Let me double check my own Tasker and see if I can do it without autoinput
odd hill
So it's not even activating it via namespace, it's taking the super ghetto approach of simulating physical input? Eek.
Does the screen activate during that process?
What if the screen is locked and requires finger/code?
valid halo
Yeah it looks like tasker cannot yet just say "This quick setting tile change to active"
It can't do it while the screen is locked
it looks like you can do it with Tasker if your phone is rooted
then it can turn it on with the screen locked
though generally I assume 95% of people don't have that
I suppose apps being unable to activate/deactivate other apps quick settings tiles is a security thing.
valid halo
d'awww
cinder herald
morning all
hallow stratus
Anyone have hue lights here?
Wondering what is the best way to setup lights on Sunrise? I been using the 'Other routines' method in the Hue app, but it doesn't allow 'Restore state', like Hue labs formula.
dull chasm
is there a addiction hotline for sensors i may have too many and fixing to add two more
clever mortar
🤣
wary jolt
@green inlet, I don't know if you ended up getting a Nest thermostat but you might want to take a look at this post: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/nest-to-turn-off-their-api/115723
clever mortar
I'll take that over people putting kindling under my feet and lighting it 😛
valid halo
I just had a nifty idea for monitor
What if it I set up an automation to trigger upon it seeing my car in an arrival scan. Then it does a departure scan two minutes later or something.
Since my Car broadcasts a BT address
unreal orbit
If you're looking for accurate arrival/departure triggers, you probably want to look into a project like this https://github.com/aderusha/MQTTCarPresence
Tasker can work as well. For the most part
valid halo
Tasker does have MQTT
clever mortar
My problem with that MQTTCarPresence is that whether I'm leaving or arriving, it's:
- Open garage door
- Car is seen
- Door closes
- Car no longer seen
clear ferry
Ey that's lumas GitHub, I sent him some European switches to see if he could make the ha wallplate for anything we use, sadly our switches are not as good for stuff like that as the US switches 😂
clever mortar
I've tried putting a BT beacon in the car, but that's not proven reliable - but it was a very cheap beacon
valid halo
Couldn't you set your house to check if it sees your phone after the car vanishes
if the car is gone and your phone is gone. You are probably gone
or very forgetful
unreal orbit
I only use car presence for arrival. My departure scans are not mission critical
valid halo
Honestly I don't think I have anything really running departure or arrival except for my welcome home greeting
I just like tinkering with this tuff
I've got 1 Tuya bulb and 1 door sensor and 1 Smart Outlet
but I like getting my feet wet
dull chasm
@valid halo you got more than me
clever mortar
For arrival, I do things like:
- Turn on (some) lights if it's dark
- If nobody else is home, send me an alert so I don't trigger the house alarm
Not that I keep setting off the damn house alarm by opening the garage, which triggers the alarm... because I thought others were home 🤦
unreal orbit
My arrival trigger unlocks the door and turns lights on if it's dark. There are also contextual notifications for stuff like trash day
clear ferry
The garage door thankfully has no alarm here
clever mortar
I had it added
The garage holds expensive things, like the car, that I'd rather not lose 😉
unreal orbit
Just setup some high-powered lasers and you won't have to worry about an alarm 👍
clear ferry
Hah, the door is held in place by the motor and if I'm away it's locked and I have jammed a screwdriver in the mechanism 🤷
silk ingot
Hey, i've been reinstalling home assistant multiple time this week and i let it run with a default password on my pi for a night (don't bully me please 😦 )
I have strong evidence someone or a bot found it and use my pi.
Is it safe to plug the SD on a PC to format it ?
clever mortar
Yes
Hopefully you've learned the lesson on this one - don't expose any service with a default password to the Internet
silk ingot
Oh yeah i learned it the hardway
clever mortar
That's how most folks learn it, you're far from alone
silk ingot
next time i'll take the 2sec to change the default password ^^
silk ingot
I'll try that then thanks for the advice
clever mortar
sshd_config is the file to edit there
silk ingot
i'm kind of surprise how fast they managed to connect to it
clever mortar
I'm not
silk ingot
are they just trying with random ip adress ?
clever mortar
Oh yes
If you're running on a default port then it's minutes to hours to find services
The whole Internet is being scanned and probed all the time
silk ingot
meh 😦
clever mortar
It's been that way for the last couple of decades 😉
silk ingot
Well one less device on their hand tonight 😠
valid halo
There's a reason some ISPs hardcode port blocking
valid halo
Anyone here work in InfluxDB and Grafan
granafa
I'm trying to figure something out
With graphs if I set the time range below a certain value. THe graph no longer displays anything
and I want to know WHY.
That's odd
When I give it an invalid time interval it lets me zoom in fine
I think I found the problem
GROUP BY (time interval)
if I get rid of that I can see full granular detail
valid halo
and now its' all wrong. It shows me as "Just Left" when the current discrete state has been Home for the past 5 hours
lofty atlas
What is the going rate for professional hass.io installation and configuration? Got some people wanting me to do work.
valid halo
I'd say look at what people charge for smart home installation
storm summit
so is google now evil when it comes to home automation?
valid halo
now now bbrendon
hush your mouth
Papa Google knows what's best for you
you'll get the BELT if you say otherwise
storm summit
here is a good alternative to nest http://www.cainetworks.com/products/webcontrol/index.html
wet pilot
imean, still glad i went with ecobee ¯_(ツ)_/¯
remote sensors make a single zone system not as terrible 😄
inb4 amazon buys ecobee and screws me over 😄
valid halo
Honestly these days the word buyout makes me scared
it feels like its' always
"We got bought :D" "We're being SHUT DOWN" "We're shutting down our local API" "Everything is CLOUD NOW CLOUD FOREVER"
valid halo
I'm still using a ring
and as far as I know the've got a eco system now
probably gonna switch to a local system
or nest if I can't be botehred
cuz Nest has LIT doorbell features
Though they did just fuck over HA
wet pilot
still thinking about rolling my own cameras, but money 😦
have lots of painting to do
and more zwave switches to buy
valid halo
I flirted with cameras
wet pilot
this damn house has 2x 4-way circuites D:
valid halo
but 1. I'm poor. 2. I can't drill holes for wires cuz I'm in my mom's house and 3. I probably won't use the cameras as much as I think
wet pilot
we're right at the entrance to our neighborhood, would be nice to get some coverage
neighborhood watch and all that
raise NoMoreBoozeError("All booze has been consumed. Sucks for you.")```lol
wary jolt
I got some Dahua cameras a couple of weeks ago. I still need to install them, I'll probably set up and NVR, I don't want anything cloud.
I need to figure out what I am going to do about my Nest Thermostat.
wet pilot
yeah, that's what i want to do, still need to pick a vendor though
for that i'd say standby
there's a bit of time before you have to make a decision and google may or may not do something cool to make it not suck
wary jolt
I am going to root that thing and see what can be done with it, if anything.
clear ferry
The Muppets - Kodachrome was actually very good, Paul Simon at it's finest 😆 the things you see on youtube when you are home alone with a baby
clear ferry
jagged mantle
do any one know if the creator of tileboard resoai is on this discord?
hearty depot
4 with this name are here 🤣
jagged mantle
i know
i dont really want to ping them
think i found who it is, one of them has the same profile picture as on of the people in the example of tileboard
clear ferry
Need to expand in my garage soon, all three storage pools running out of space and almost out of memory 😂
valid halo
wow
strange vapor
@clear ferry You need a few Backblaze Storage Pods 😉
clear ferry
I'm holding out for a 3PAR AFA 😛
valid halo
I think I need a flow chart creation program
I keep running into mental errors when trying to figure out my logic in my head
valid halo
I made a diagram and I'm not sure if it helps or not
Ah shit typo. Should be Yes/No Here=2?
clever mortar
My own view is if any of BT + WiFi say I'm home, I'm home - don't care about GPS
strange vapor
@valid halo I still find a good old fashioned white board best for this, primarily as everytime I try using something like Visio or Dia for this, the interface gets in the way.
valid halo
I understand that feeling
as it's much much more dynamic to adjust size and shape and modifying it is as easy as wiping a tissue
strange vapor
Once I have it figured out, then I get it into whatever tool is required.
valid halo
I suppose I'm getting too tunnel vision on how derkus does his system
he does 2/3 have to agree to make him home and now I'm being too rigid with it
when that might not be what I need
clever mortar
A starting point of grouping WiFi+BT trackers is good enough for most
At the end of the day, if any show you home, you're likely home
valid halo
Sure
clever mortar
You can then fine tune from there, but it'll be right 99% of the time
clear ferry
Nice, Norwegian news reports USA is imposing 15% extra tax on Chinese goods import it seems
valid halo
I can't tell if that's a genuine yes or a sarcastic yes
clever mortar
Yes 😉
valid halo
get your ass to /r/InclusiveOr
unreal orbit
@clear ferry fun times across the pond right now.
clear ferry
I'm just waiting for the eventual impeachment / civil war / whatever is coming in 2019/2020 🤷
Or when Mecha-Bernie is running for president in 2032
valid halo
Alphabet will finally reveal it's Cloud Based AI system to run the world
it will demand our HA systems as extra processing power and thus the great Automation War of 2029 will begin
last plaza
@valid halo that diagram is not a true state diagram.. there is a convention to the diagrams.
use http://www.graphviz.org/gallery/ or https://github.com/sverweij/state-machine-cat - way too easy 😉
valid halo
OwO
amber bramble
ugh why are all zwave/zigbee/wifi with local api thermostats incredibly ugly
amber bramble
less the cases and more the screens/interfaces
valid halo
Ooooh
They mostly look really basic and practical from my google image searching
Speaking of I saw a really cool video on thermostats today on Technology Connections
You should give it a watch.
unreal orbit
If there are no alternatives when the Nest API dies I'm going to tear mine apart and see if there is a way of getting root
dark swallow
A rooted Nest would be interesting
valid halo
It's gonna just have a portal to the Google cloud on the inside
dark swallow
Actually google will probably force an update to it that bricks it as soon as it connects to the internet
unreal orbit
It's effectively going to be bricked anyway 🤷
dark swallow
Well not fully brinked, just enough that google forces you into their data mine
wary jolt
@unreal orbit, that's exactly what I am going to try to do with my Nest. There is some info here on how to do it but I haven't tried it yet:
https://blog.exploitee.rs/2014/google-nest-exploiting-dfu-for-root/
unreal orbit
That was on the v1 Nest
orchid rose
Does anyone know of any low profile smart lights that can install under cabinets and such?
looked at some downlight options but those are so thicc...
midnight adder
@orchid rose maybe led strips? Pretty low 🤣
orchid rose
yeah, but I'd need some neat preferably round case for it as well
hushed basalt
About ready to throw my Synology in the bin and tell the wife it broke
Never buy a synology, well for anything more than dumb storage
valid halo
Synology machine broke?
valid halo
That sounds annoying.
hushed basalt
Plus all the problems with locked down ports, an old custom docker version, etc
They're so behind latest docker
I'm now a big believer in bare metal x86 machines for servers
valid halo
So far my Rpi has been pretty stable. Though when it loses internet or freezes I get to Russian roulette my SD Card
valid halo
Yes.
hushed basalt
A lot pricier than a rpi of course
But opens up a whole new world in performance, capability and stability
valid halo
Currently my income is 0 so Pi it is
hushed basalt
Only downside with NUCs is no 10Gbe and no bulk storage
valid halo
Define bulk
hushed basalt
I'm an enthusiast :p
valid halo
I'll look into a nuc once I get a job in the summer
hushed basalt
Plus i want a cluster for learning
10Gbe is super useful for clusters. As 1GBe can be quite limiting for storage clusters etc
This is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy overkill for HA or even most home servers
But I have a professional demand to learn
More power!
valid halo
I feel like a dabbler. I only have one AP and no NAS or servers. Just an Rpi and a Zero
hushed basalt
To be honest if I didn't want bulk local storage I wouldn't worry about big home servers
valid halo
Thank you for your advice
clear ferry
@valid halo I have 28 aps lying in boxes in my garage 😂
@orchid rose you get some nice low profile lists that fit led strips with either milky or clear acrylic screen , that might be interesting, just add a gledopto controller and integrate in ha
@hushed basalt 10g is so 2010, we only do that for low-end stuff these days 😂
hushed basalt
@clear ferry well I wanted a 100g network but the wife would never accept it :p
I'm sure my 80mbit/30mbit internet and my 10mbit video codecs would make good use of that
clear ferry
Oof, I remember having an internet connection like that, it was state of the art around 2011 😂
Was VDSL if memory serves right
I still remember the dark days of the early 2000 when always on internet had metering, with maximum transferred per month 🤔
hushed basalt
Yeah I have vdsl
Limited to physical capabilities of the medium :(
Australia just spent 60++ billion installing VDSL, still under construction too
Yay for conservative governments
clear ferry
Loool
I remember my hometown was pretty early with rolling out FTTP, we had 20/20 fiber from 2004
Could get 100/100 in 2007 I think it was
hushed basalt
Australia
Building the technology of 1997
Everyone knows DSL is the future
Copper has unlimited bandwidth!
midnight adder
Morning, i'm just starting out with HA and looking for some advice on smart light switches (for the UK) anyone got any recommendations please?
clever mortar
Consider Z-Wave modules, that fit behind the existing switches
midnight adder
ah ok, will they still work if everyone forgets and turns the ruddy light switch off?
clever mortar
Yes - the switch connects to the module only, and the module controls the light
Also https://www.vesternet.com/pages/apnt-17-controlling-lights-with-fibaro-relays and a whole host more guides
midnight adder
i'm not really an electrician, would they enable me to turn the light on and off via the switch but still control them via automation regardless of whether they've manually been switched on/off?
clever mortar
Yes
hearty depot
I was also looking for some (Austria) Biggest issue I have that there are only 1 wire setups in the switch boxes
and no chance to get into the actual wireing
clever mortar
You don't need to be an electrician, but understanding the basics is rather important
midnight adder
finally no more nagging about the ruddy lights 😃 one seriously happy bunny here. Thanks ever so much.
clever mortar
Do get an electrician in to sort these things out please
clever mortar
Sockets, no, they're rather significantly different
You can get smart plugs, and there are a handful of smart sockets on the market, but integrating them with HA is more challenging
There's Gen2 LightwaveRF, which has a custom component
There's Den, which doesn't have anything
And... that's it
midnight adder
yeah i've bought a TP-Link switch, just don't really like the bulkiness of them
clever mortar
All smart switches will be somewhat bulky, there's no way around that
midnight adder
had a quick look at sonoff. would that be the same?
clever mortar
The same as?
midnight adder
they look quite straightforward, cut the wire and attach at each end?
midnight adder
i better get my mate to explain all this to me 😃
clever mortar
Yeah, don't go messing with electricals if those diagrams didn't make sense
midnight adder
they make sense, i'm just not very confident
clever mortar
That's about as bad 😉
midnight adder
i'm more diwhat than y
clever mortar
I mean, if you take your time and pay attention, electrical wiring isn't too hard
Of course, getting it wrong tends to let the magic smoke out
Getting it very wrong gets you a trip to hospital, or a visit from the fire brigade 😉
midnight adder
i'll get my mate round to supervise me lol
clever mortar
There are also a range of direct switch replacement options for light switches, from Vesternet (yes, I buy too much there), and others
You'll likely need dimmers, since it's unlikely you've got a neutral at the light switch
Basically, the UK is generally a 2 wire system
clever mortar
It'll be 2 wire unless you pay them to run neutrals
If you can pay them to run neutrals
clever mortar
Basically, smart light switches need power
With a two wire setup, when you turn the switch off, no power
With a three wire setup, you can have power to the smart switch separately from the bulb
You get a lot more options for devices that way
midnight adder
ah ok, but the links you sent were for a 2 wire system?
clever mortar
The dimmer guide was, the switch guide wasn't
Dimmers can work with 2 wire or 3 wire, switches only work with 3 wire
clever mortar
Have a look at what's directly supported
Then you've got things that are indirectly supported through https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/ and similar
Key thing at this point - don't try eating the elephant
Oh, and Xiaomi's Zigbee devices are cheap as chips
hearty depot
there he is - this wild guy made POE smart switches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2gZomJB8b8
light trout
Got any suggestions on what seasoning to use for an elephant?
midnight adder
lol
hearty depot
basil and thyme comes good
clever mortar
I'd go with curry sauce myself
midnight adder
i shall make a note of all this great advise. Many thanks for your help, i really appreciate it. (time to go spending 😃 )
oh... one last thing - these dimmable relays for the switches will work with standard led bulbs?
clever mortar
Only if the bulb is dimmable
midnight adder
okies. what if they're not?
clever mortar
Then ensure the dimmer only operates at 100% or off 😉
clever mortar
So, either buy a dimmable bulb (good approach) or check the dimmer supports that (lazy approach)
midnight adder
the good lady wife is insisting on horrible chandeliers that take a G9 bulb, can't find dimmable ones.
clever mortar
Three wire or careful dimmer choice then 😉
midnight adder
do i need the fibaro hub for those switches?
midnight adder
ive got a smartthings hub
clever mortar
Well, if you're happy to rely upon your Internet connection... you can use that
I'd suggest that's a really dumb idea 😉
midnight adder
erm.... well... we shall use it for the foreseeable future as the good lady wife will moan that i have needlessly spent money again. i can't deal with the earache for now lol
light trout
Relying on cloud?, what could go wrong...
clever mortar
midnight adder
once i'm in the new house and settled i shall be gradually upgrading stuff, i just have to be seen to use it for now 😃
what about zigbee? i have bought some smartthings sensors
clever mortar
See #zigbee-archived
There's, at least, three different methods you can use to integrate Zigbee directly to HA
zha, conbee, zigbee2mqtt
midnight adder
ok cool. i really appreciate all your help.
clever mortar
If you haven't already, do take the time to read the HA docs and browse the component list
It'll make your life a lot easier since you'll know what's possible 😉
midnight adder
yeah i read the docs, but the components only make sense if you know what you're looking for. like i wanted switch but there's 100+ but they only tell you how to link not what they do or need.
orchid rose
@clear ferry yep, I have some led strips already in aluminum rails, but I was looking for something circular that would look a bit like downlights for this one... Time to dive into aliexpress...
orchid rose
yeah, something like that but in a casing was what I was hoping to find, but not much luck so far. Some 12V ones I found but only 6cm wide and 2.5W
clear ferry
That was tiny!I'm building an open API electric heater controller for the European market - https://i.redd.it/s9pmalysojx21.jpg
light trout
it's not the size that counts it's how you use it 😉
clear ferry
I know I'll never be enough for you @light trout 
clear ferry
only 76 overtime hours so far this year, need to do something about that 🤣
baby sleeps at night anyway, so I could work at night and be home during the day with the compensation time anyway 🤣
clever mortar
I'm very happy to no longer be in a role that routinely has bonkers overtime
I miss being in a role that pays overtime 🤷
Yes, I want my cake and to eat it too 😛
valid halo
One hour of free overtime pay a week?
clever mortar
No overtime pay here, but then I knew that going in
That's the price for being Management
I also don't do much overtime (I mean, I do some, but it's a tiny amount), rather deliberately
valid halo
I can't recall getting overtime being a retail drone
Honestly getting more than 30 hours was a big event
clear ferry
I do 50% of overtime full pay, and 50% half pay and compensation time
Last year I comped out two months 😂
@valid halo most of my weeks are either 60hours or full compensation time 😂
clever mortar
Yeah, in a previous role I could pretty much double my pay with overtime, if I didn't mind turning into a zombie
valid halo
I do remember back when I worked as a Dishwashing slave I had two bad weeks
clear ferry
Yeah, overtime is usually 40% of my yearly salary
valid halo
I got to work 40 hours weeks during christmas season
when normally I worked only on weekends
I gotta say
80 hours of dishwashing sucks ass
clear ferry
I've never done dishwashing, but i was a newspaper delivery guy for a couple of years, nice for my half autistic brain, I memorized my 1500 newspapers in less than three weeks 🤔
So I delivered them in 2.5 hours, but getting paid for the full 6 hours anyway
clever mortar
Nice
clear ferry
Did newspaper delivery while I was an it apprentice, so newspapers from 00-06, and apprenticeship from 08-16, helps to be effective 😛
clever mortar
And don't rule out HA as a topic of conversation in an interview
valid halo
I think HA has actually given me a lot to blab about
clear ferry
If I were to hire someone I'd rather look at what they have done instead of the certifications they hold, like a guy who changes company every 2 years for 10 years, that you want to stay away from, or someone who holds 5 certifications and has only worked for 3 years 🤷
clever mortar
I once interviewed somebody who was meh until they started talking about the automation stuff they were working on
Then they came to life, and became a person
valid halo
I'll try to remember to talk about my automations
clever mortar
Any decent interviewer will ask you to talk about thing, don't just talk about work related stuff, talking about anything relevant
valid halo
I'm gonna need all the edge I can get
clever mortar
So if somebody asks you about when you had to deal with a tricky colleague, if you've not had one, but had to defuse a social situation... use it
valid halo
since I'm a 0 years of experience boy.
clever mortar
Everybody is at first
valid halo
Yeah I just get discouraged seeing most job adds even for low level wanting more than that XD
clever mortar
Key things are:
- Does it look like you'll fit the culture
- Are you showing signs of being willing and able to learn
- Have you done your research on the company and that part of it
valid halo
Dokay.
clever mortar
Use any network you can, if you know you're going to interview at Firm X, who do you know that works there, knows somebody who works there, previously worked there
clear ferry
This is where good social engineering also comes to play, if you can spot things to talk about with an interviewer without them noticing it's something they are very interested in
clever mortar
LinkedIn is a powerful source of research
I recently interviewed (and approved) somebody who's best evidence came from volunteering work they'd done, not paid work
clear ferry
The job I started 12 year ago required a master's and 5 years experience, I had none, it's all about you as a person 🤷
clever mortar
As long as you can make it past the initial paper sift 😉
That part can be achieved through the who you know network
clear ferry
Hey this guy knows Kevin, better interview him
clever mortar
Well, Kevin says they know Dr Mod and he's a decent person
Or Hey, boss, here's a CV of somebody I know
I've hired a few folks that way, handing over CVs of folks I know who'd be a good fit
(and directing the others to the competition 😛 )
clear ferry
I always add my customers to my LinkedIn network when I do work for them, might be beneficial down the line
clever mortar
Yup
clear ferry
Now I have 650 connections 😂
clever mortar
🤣
valid halo
I think I have one LinkedIn Connection
clever mortar
If you're not yet in employment, that's to be expected
Do recruitment fairs, and similar events
You'll meet folks, and have the opportunity to connect there - every time I do one of those I gain a host more connections from students
Same for any outside speaker events that are related to whatever your field is, attend all you can
valid halo
Okay. I think my local CC I'm going to has Job Fairs and such.
clear ferry
I need to go to the fairs @clever mortarb goes to, they have to be fun 🤔
clever mortar
To quote one person I like it when it's your slot, you make it fun 😉
That I'm insane probably helps 😄
clear ferry
Wait, are you Ricky Gervais? I knew it
clever mortar
🤣
It's a good way of separating the firms that might be good to work for, from those that my not
If those who represent it are zombies, likely no fun there
clear ferry
Then my company must suck, because I'm never at the fairs, because I have too much work to do 😂
clever mortar
Clearly you need to attend fairs so that folks realise it's not all stuffed shirts 😉
clear ferry
The country manager used me in a customer facing promotion five years ago Get the hoodie back into the important business meetings 😂
My dress code does not fit most international companies🤷
clever mortar
Times are a changing though
Sure, I have to be suited and booted when meeting some clients, but for others I could turn up in jeans and a t-shirt
Maybe not a heavy metal one...
clear ferry
Come gather around people, wherever you roam 🎵
I frequently turn up in iron maiden shirts and Roger water hoodies 😂
For business meetings to discuss purchasing multi million dollar solutions 😂
It breaks the ice for that one manager that digs The number of the beast 🤷
clever mortar
If you're not meeting people who care, who cares 🤷
I mean, it's your quality of work that should matter most
light trout
If you are comfotable enough to do that it means one of two things, you do not care at all, or are in controll of what you do so it does not matter
clever mortar
Or both 😛
light trout
oh well, yeah 🤣
clear ferry
👆 this
light trout
I can count on 1 hand all the times I have weared a suite 😛
clear ferry
I've never for work, unless it was a party
light trout
same here 😄
clear ferry
I can count to one hand the times I was in a sweat pants fixing a 3mill $ storage system at 0300 though
🤢
clever mortar
I get to wear a suit once or twice a year, typically, but that's the job
clear ferry
I have colleagues in the us that have to wear them every day, it's not very practical being an engineer and wearing that 
clever mortar
Yeah, that's nuts
clever mortar
Maybe you should 😉
light trout
meh 😛
clear ferry
Now I have a mental image of a single guy in a sweatshirt and 50 guys around him in suits
It looks like a pink Floyd album cover
light trout
That's about right xD
clever mortar
If I turned up in a suit, folks would assume I was interviewing for a new job 🤣
clear ferry
I need to try that
Perhaps my boss will panic
Good to know that if I'm ever in an office where 50 guys are wearing suits and one guy is not, while sitting in the corner swearing at python code I can go over and say hey lud 😂
hey lud, don't make it bad, make a sad code or make it better, remember to let python into your heart, then you can start, to debug it better 🎹
light trout
That guy would get confused, I currently do not do any coding @ work 😜
clear ferry
light trout
I do customer support (glorified googler)
light trout
Coding is just off work, when I work I actually work
clear ferry
I wish I could code at all 😞
light trout
Learn it 😜
light trout
Learning Norwegian is harder then python. 😜
valid halo
Hello World is a gateway drug man
clear ferry
I did PHP and HTML in the late 90s, and I tried to pickup java three years ago 😂 I'm getting better at yaml though, so that is something although not coding per say 😂
valid halo
I've done Java, Python, C Sharp
clear ferry
I'll have time to learn code in 2021 I guess 😂
valid halo
obligatory. HTML is not a coding language comment
clear ferry
Right now I'm studying Japanese,powershell, vsan, nsx and hyper-v, that'll suffice right now 🤷
clear ferry
Oh, and I need to find time this fall to do training and certification for PRINCE2 both practitioner and foundation🤷
Damn projects that require mindless certifications
valid halo
Pretty soon they're gonna have a CERT Cert to certify that you indeed got that certification that you said you have on your resume
clear ferry
Thank goodness proper certifications have serial numbers so that can be checked easily 😛
light trout
Glasspaper have some nice courses for PRINCE
clear ferry
Yes, that's where I'm doing it, I have the voucher for both trainings, just need time 😂
clear ferry
The vSphere Integrated Container Engine is a Docker Remote API-compatible engine deeply integrated into vSphere for instantiating container images run as VMs, including support for distributing images to remote and branch offices.
I need to play with this
late gate
Any tech savage here? In running a unify setup with a 1gbit fiber optic connection and the USG pro4 does a good job (got an edgerouter 4 too, but wanted the inetegrated part of USG) - is it ANY benefit enabling smart queues when this them limits the internet to 250mbit, is this pr device or the whole network? Just seem a bit waste paying for 1gb if the router say stop at 250mbit
clear ferry
As far as I can tell it's a proprietary technology that is similar to QoS, and will try to fairly distribute bandwidth between sessions (not specifically clients) and would be beneficial on a slow network where one user could hog the entire bandwidth with a single session, but if you actually have a gigabit connection I don't see that happening 🤷
wary jolt
I bought the new Darter Pro laptop from System76 a couple of weeks ago and... I got to say that, it is a very nice laptop.
civic ember
Anyone have an idea for an automated way to wake myself up without waking the wife?
Right now I use a smartwatch to buzz me awake but the problem is I can't automate it according to my calendar events so I sometimes end up getting woken up early when I don't have work.
Because I'm an idiot and sometimes forget to turn off the alarm before I sleep
The two ideas I had to synchronize to my calendar (a hue light gradually brightening and a TTS to the Google Home mini on the bedside) would probably wake my wife up as well.
If there's integrated sleep tracking as well that would be great.
clear ferry
I have seen smart vibration pads to put under your pillow, but those would probably wake my wife atleast 😂
hushed basalt
@civic ember can your smart watch use generic notifications
Rather than 'alarms'
But as a matter of habit you should be waking up the same time every day anyways
You might be looking for the right way to do the wrong thing
clear ferry
Before the baby I used to wake up between 05 and 12 depending on my calendar, now I wake up between 05 and 06 every day, best alarm I ever had 😂
strange vapor
A baby alarm clock may be expensive? 😃
light trout
Most good things is
late gate
argh, I really cant make up my mind. RADIUS or multiple AP w/wlan or pure firewall isolation without VLAN (unify)
clear ferry
@late gate for what 🤷
@strange vapor quite so
But all my hobbies are expensive anyway 😂
late gate
@clear ferry general network. IOT, surveilance, others, guests and laptops
I have wandered into the grass is greener path :p
clear ferry
Why not all of the above? Radius auth and dedicated vlan and ssids for different classes of devices, and a firewall to do the needed routing per network 🤷
I used to run that here before I flattened it a couple of years ago
late gate
the only thing with radius is its a quite hard process to maintain and install unless I run the USG contorller
feels just like a bit overkill
we are talking about a home user network only
tempting with the USG cause of Unify light up all green, tempting with the ER cause of much more power, but any point, I dont know
clear ferry
Radius ain't hard to maintain if you know what you are doing, implement it with certificate auth with fallback to Mac for devices that don't support certificates, but also isolate devices that don't do certs to their own vlans, and do automatic assignment of vlan based on auth type 🤷
But I might work too much with this 😂
late gate
yeah, radius is the kind of animal thats a horrible thing to start with, but when you get it its easy
strange vapor
@clear ferry So about an hour's work?
clear ferry
Something like that 😂
late gate
if It just existed a premade radius setup with a nice GUI I would be all in, but it seems like all webui is abandoned
light trout
GUI 🤢
clear ferry
Customers who ask me to enable the webgui of switches i tell, no I won't do that, because then probably someone who doesn't know what they are doing will login and break it
light trout
probably
clear ferry
If it is cli only most people won't try to just fix something
late gate
haha
but the main question is; would running 4 AP hurt the network heavily?
vs 1 with radius vlan
clear ferry
4 ssids?
late gate
yes
light trout
don't do that
clear ferry
Normally not with any normal aps, but I don't know the products you run 🤷
late gate
unify ap pros
clear ferry
Don't work with low-end stuff 😛
clear ferry
Cisco 🤢
vast dove
@late gate ... You should know @clear ferry only works with TPLink products
vast dove
HAHAHA 😄
clear ferry
Although I am old enough to have worked with Lattisring / Lattisnet switches, which is more funny in Norwegian than other languages🤷
strange vapor
@clear ferry I had to maintain a customer switch once where we had everything managed via some nasty scripts which ssh'd in an set everything up as needed. They got a new IT guy who wanted admin access via web. At one point he logged in, and made a small change to the label on a port... Problem was that a lot of what we were setting via ssh wasn't available in the web ui. When he hit save, the UI generated the whole config it thought it should have and overwrote everything 😦
The only saving grace was that there was logging and we could see what he did 😄
clear ferry
Hahahaha I've seen that in the past, Jewsus Christ
Almost as bad when I ran vlan all instead of disp vlan all on comware, it recreated all vlans and assigned vlan 1 to all ports... On a stack with 400ish ports 😊
It didn't have any confirmation context, it was a bug on that software version, it just went like Creating vlans........... Done!
Thankfully I always do a save force before I run new sets of commands, so it was just reloading the last saved config to running 😤
strange vapor
@clear ferry Or on old Cisco: switchport trunk allowed vlan add 100 vs switchport trunk allowed vlan 100
late gate
Its a difficult topic. I just need 5 vlans to split out things like surveilance, iot and guests. I wish it would be possible to just set a vlan to each client without setting up radius
I get 50 different replies on the same question _S
some say multiple ssid, some say radius
and some say just make a firewall
clear ferry
In a regular ap / switch setup you don't need radius for that 🤷
Just create vlans and assign to ssids
strange vapor
@late gate All depends on the gear you have. I've got unifi kit where I can basically have a ESSID per VLAN where needed.
late gate
yesh unify provision them out on the aps automatically at least
strange vapor
Router/Firewall to handle routing between the vlans where necessary. In my case a small rackmount box running Debian with lots of nftables magic going on.
late gate
are you then running different ip ranges?
strange vapor
Yup, each vlan has it's own RFC1918 range. Between internal vlans, it's just normal routed, but natted outbound.
clear ferry
Best tip I can give is, people who don't know what they are doing usually make the networks more unsafe than if they ran a single flat network 🤷
late gate
@clear ferry thats why its impotrant to learn
strange vapor
I don't have any radius going at the moment, but tempted to set it up just to play with it. I'm odd like that.
Run radius servers at work anyway just for other network kit, just haven't tried with Wireless
late gate
I might be overthinking this a bit with multiple ssid. Maybe this is a larger issue with 2000 users, compared to 4 and 200 low usage clients
But at the same time. I got a gbit internet, and a laptop on wifi drags max around 300mbit. Even with the overhead of multiple ssid, would it matter at all? the download server etc is all wired on cable and the ssid wont impact that
strange vapor
With that many Serial ports, I assume it's meant for industrial applications?
clear ferry
No idea, it's AliExpress, if I just needed serial ports I would have gone with a Airconsole + port expander 😛
Easier, smarter and integrated ups
clear ferry
I need more stickers for my work laptop😛
Atlantis might be defunct by now, last time I saw them was in 2015 🤔
valid halo
I see you're a man of culture
clear ferry
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That badboy has 48gb of ram, but it's so heavy I only bring it when I have workshops where I need to run VMs
balmy inlet
I used to have a nice heavy laptop like that, I just use the surface now, goof form factor, decent processor and 8GB ram. wish they had a 16GB model when I got it though
clear ferry
Yeah, I mostly use my Chromebook these days, has all the stuff I need, the rest I can reach from https or SSH in my garage
balmy inlet
yup, unless I travel my surface pro sits on my nightstand for when I want to fall asleep to a movie or video
although the 1TB external SSD for it is essential
clear ferry
Thank goodness for TV in the bedroom,but that hasn't been on since November, baby sleeps next to me still 😂
And Plex on the TV
balmy inlet
dont have one in the bedroom, have one in the office, guest room, living room, and garage though. and I mostly use my desktop for TV lol
clear ferry
I have a LG TV with smart functions, but they are so unstable so I bought a Roku for the living room
balmy inlet
plex is awsome, got my OTA TV running through it, need to do a roku on the living room tv and retire the nuc running kodi but I need a home theater reciever and parts for the ambilight setup first
clear ferry
balmy inlet
yeah, I have the samsung smart tv with plex on it, it just leaves me wanting to pick up another roku for it
clear ferry
Onkyo tr-nr656
balmy inlet
how long have you had it? I have heard the onkyo recievers HDMI can be hit or miss after a few months
clear ferry
I've had it for 2 or 3 years by now
Never heard anyone have issues with them in Norway atleast🤔
balmy inlet
Good to know, the price point and features are nice, apparently it integrated well with HA as well
clear ferry
The old Yamaha I had before it had better sound, but I wanted more hdmi ports, 4k passthrough, firelink speakers and network control 🤷
balmy inlet
I need 5 HDMI inputs as of right now and it was a pain finding reasonable priced units with that and network control
clear ferry
For the price and features I cannot complain,never had issues with it, just find it packs a little less punch than the Yamaha
brisk glen
@late gate if you want to learn, I would go with a networking class book on the Cisco CCENT level
If you dont understand the core basics of networking, you are going to have soooooo many issues when you start using vlans
clear ferry
I've worked with networking for 20 years, but I don't have any certifications, except n+ which was worthless, but I've had good mentors 🤷
brisk glen
I recommend Cisco as you can use PacketTracer
valid halo
I was considering going for cisco CCENT
brisk glen
Amazing for people learning networking as it gives you hands on
valid halo
But people were like "You need to buy real hard ware and shit for it"
and I was like "Hell nawh man I can't afford that rite now"
brisk glen
@valid halo not at all
Packet tracer from netacad
You can hit CCNA without any real hardware
valid halo
Cool.
It's about ti me I learn some networking anyways
it was my weakest subject on my A+ exam
valid halo
I forgot that googles has DNS servers
brisk glen
I block all DNS servers by DNATing to my own
balmy inlet
my router is the only DNS server on my network, all other port 53 requests re route to it
brisk glen
Let me enforce adblocking and chatty IoT devices
@balmy inlet don’t forget to block 853 and google/cloud flare dns servers on port 443
853 is DNS over TLS
Android phones try to use google over http transport
valid halo
all I know about DNS is that I have DuckDNS set up and that my Pi-Hole handles all DNS atm
balmy inlet
loll ill get around to it in a few months, not worried about blocking all requests mostly use it to force lookups on my router for local hostnames like .home
brisk glen
With dns level adblocking and DPI blocking, life is nice
balmy inlet
I got sick and tired of sorting out false positives
brisk glen
IPS/IDS soon
balmy inlet
set it up and amazon broke, fixed that and another service was found broken.......
brisk glen
I use lists that are nice about breaking that
balmy inlet
what lists do you use? would you mind sharing them and your whitelists?
balmy inlet
did you need to whitelist anything?
brisk glen
You shouldn’t but I did the recommendations on the site
balmy inlet
will check it out when I get the itch to tinker again, thanks
brisk glen
Once the unifi UDM is out, I’ll have a nice IPS/IDS system
clear ferry
I need to migrate back to pfsense soon, I miss the interface, untangle has nothing on pfsense
balmy inlet
it took some getting used to especially coming from an ASUS router but its great once I figured it out. I wish they would integrate with unifi software but I know thats a pipe dream
clear ferry
Yeah, ive run pfsense since 2002/3 ish, it's a great product
brisk glen
... never used it :p
I have been thinking about it, but I would want hardware that does IPS/IDS at Gbit or near Gbit rates
Around $300
clear ferry
Pfsense can handle multi gigabit connections without problems, just give it hardware, and that I have enough of
balmy inlet
I got a fanless computer at that price and put PFSense on it, it handles IPS/IDS at my full 300/25 connection until I turned off IPS/IDS
dont have anything faster so cant test unfortunately
brisk glen
Specs on said pc?
clear ferry
@balmy inlet my celeron based untangle box with a 2011 CPU handles 250/250 without issue right now, with filtering and inspection 🤔
balmy inlet
Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU N3150 @ 1.60GHz
Current: 1600 MHz, Max: 1601 MHz
4 CPUs: 1 package(s) x 4 core(s)
AES-NI CPU Crypto: Yes (active)
I want something power efficient 😂
brisk glen
That might work
clear ferry
Mine is a j1900 with 4gb ram and a ssd
balmy inlet
it was cheap, I would get a better model with 4 network ports if I were to get a new one, current model only has two
clear ferry
Pfsense used to run on my 24core esxi/192gb ram before that, haven't had time to test the pfsense on the celeron yet
balmy inlet
working great for my needs, can transfer at gigabit speed on LAN and I have a realtek card (less support)
reltek network card
clear ferry
Only reason I'm moving to a physical fw is because I want to try to get my IPTV igmp stuff to work properly, currently it's on its own vlan straight to the TV box
brisk glen
Does pfsence use Suricata?
balmy inlet
I need to set up VLANs. I need a managed 24 Port switch first for the server rack
It can
clear ferry
@balmy inlet I have a 48port 10g/40g in the core 😂
Or actually two, but I removed the partner
balmy inlet
I'm Soo jealous, I have an unmanaged 24 Port tplink and a managed 8 port netgear
clear ferry
I have like 10 spare Cisco/extreme and hp switches, I should send you something @balmy inlet 😂
brisk glen
Dam
balmy inlet
Lol nice!
How did you manage to get those?
I have Soo many things in the list to improve my smart home and network lol
brisk glen
Hmm, the new unifi UDM is looking like the better buy than a pfsense box
balmy inlet
Unifi is a nice ecosystem
brisk glen
$300 for 700 Mbit burst to 1Gbit IPS/IDS, ac gen 2, and 4 ports
clear ferry
I pick them up from internal labs or customers doing upgrades mostly
I'm the only guy in the whole country who does networking for my company, so I just say what I want mostly 😂
balmy inlet
Lol
brisk glen
Haha
balmy inlet
I want to get into it/networking once I get out of aviation
brisk glen
Dam, I need to move to where you live
clear ferry
But I don't work with networking mostly though, HPC, Unix, storage, virtualization and stuff like that mostly, and multivendor troubleshooting 🤷
balmy inlet
I have a feeling I'm going to have to start at helpdesk ☹️
brisk glen
Naa, you can skip to the windows desktop team
clear ferry
I need a slave, interested? 😂
balmy inlet
Lol
clear ferry
My calendar is booked 8 weeks ahead right now, need some offloading😂
balmy inlet
Wow. How do you find time to chat in discord lol
brisk glen
That’s why it’s booked 8 weeks 😏
balmy inlet
Lol
clear ferry
I have 50% paternity leave all of 2019 so half the year is devoted to baby and discord when baby is sleeping 😛
balmy inlet
Nice
clear ferry
So my calendar is only booked 4 weeks ahead usually , but with 50% that means 8 weeks 😘
brisk glen
Does @clear ferry need a remote slave?
clear ferry
@brisk glen I have those already 😄
brisk glen
Heh, I tried to pick up more work
I wish Microsoft didn’t charge soo much for servers, per virtual core
clear ferry
You should meet the people at oracle
brisk glen
When SCCM is slow and you can’t get them to drop distribution points due to pricing
clear ferry
I know companies who are charged $60000 per core they add to their cluster
balmy inlet
Ouch
clear ferry
And if you run oracle virtualized with linked vcenter you pay for every core in all vcenters
For some of my customers that would be 2000 cores 🤷
Or more
clear ferry
Exactly, the only reason why intel still makes four core server CPUs is oracle
clear ferry
So customers can run two physical servers separate just for oracle
brisk glen
Now I know how they fund Vbox development
clear ferry
Oracle vbox sent a claim to one of my customers for $25000 because someone in their network downloaded the extension pack
brisk glen
Wow
balmy inlet
If I was the owner I would pay them with a check with a nice color picture of my genetalia printed on it
brisk glen
My excuse would be oh, some one on our guest WiFi did it and proceeded to block vbox links
clear ferry
They contested it, but five levels of vbox Indian help desk refused to back down,😂
brisk glen
Hahaha
clear ferry
They just monitor the ips of who download it and then send a claim if it's a corporate ip
It's a really shitty tactic
sturdy juniper
dammit, now i want to make skins for my Unifi AC-Pros.. Those nanoHD AP's are little badasses..
clear ferry
My access points are inside the walls, so aesthetics are a waste 😛
sturdy juniper
I have mine mounted on the ceiling in my living room, and another at the top of the stairs, to cover the upstairs. They pretty much blend in to the white ceilings, but having that cloth skin on it would make them look like giant google home minis. 😃
valid halo
Google home HUEG
valid halo
I've considered getting a second AP
but I feel like it'd be a Pain for me
seeing as my Mother does not want wires everywhere. The most efficient way seems to run powerline ethernet to my second AP point area but then I need to run power to the AP and make it look all pretty
Mom does not want ugly wires and cords
sturdy juniper
My buddy didn't want to deal with the hassle of cords either, so he went with the AmpliFI setup.. https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-Ubiquiti-Seamless-Wireless-Extenders/dp/B01L9O08PW
peak cloud
Hey @flat lintel, I made the switch to 1Password and am absolutely LOVING it. Thank you again for the recommendation. I apologize for being so stubborn about switching.