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warm helm
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The earth's location moves but is always where it is

stuck mortar
stuck mortar
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<@&330946878646517761>

scenic radish
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Gone

stuck mortar
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But never forgotten in the mods’ secret stash

last cedar
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Don't tell big solar panel, they will use the 2nd sun to sell more solar panels

warm helm
atomic delta
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So I was talking with the parents about solar... Realized we have enough land to just do a ground install. Gonna skip the roof entirely I think. May as well when the option's there, right?

static schooner
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if the house or trees don't block the view, sure

atomic delta
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No trees, house does to the west of where we're thinking, but that shouldn't be a huge issue. Need to verify that obviously.

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It's a five acre plot, so it's not packed that tight.

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Front yard would be the best spot, but then you have a bunch of solar panels in the front yard.

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Either way, too broke to do it right now.

warm helm
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You can always start small. 1 or 2 panels

robust flicker
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It's been raining here pretty much all day. Right now ts just drizzling. But I have a freaking tree in fire in my front yard.

warm helm
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Trees aren't supposed to smoke

iron granite
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Humans aren't as well and many do it anyway.

warm helm
robust flicker
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Volunteer fire department just showed up, but it was already out. They looked all over and no smoke

honest moat
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weird, last night my HA stopped talking to my Lutron Main Repeater. Went through hell trying to get it to work again, downgrades, rollbacks, reboots, all that. Eventually said screw it, removed the integration, added it back again, and presto, everything works again just flawlessly

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not support, just a frustrating anecdote

weary cove
ocean oar
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This is indeed neat

honest moat
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so it gets worse 🙁 my RadioRA2 repeater has decided that it wanted to break

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keeps going into safe mode, wont hold a program

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probably gonna have to move up to Ra3

hollow glacier
maiden python
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Not sure if I should post this problem and subsequently convoluted idea I need feedback on here or in #the-workshop

tldr its trying to determine where traffic patterns are for where to put a display in a hallway

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I'm part of a makerspace that is located in a basement with a storefront visible to those who wander into the basement to see what's there. There's three other businesses in the basement alongside us so we're not the only storefront.
Our main entrance is sort of buried a little bit behind some support pillars, but we have a second entrance (because we're two suites merged) that contains a large window facing the hallway right near the stairwell that enters the basement.
We have a (small) display outside our unit next to our main entrance, that's sort of buried behind the support pillars but frankly what i want to get is the number of people who peer in the window and subsequently go over to see the small display.

I want to determine what parts of the hallway are worthwhile locations to enhance the design in our windows and where we should have information. The large windows and main entrance are physically very close, but they aren't very visible from each other.

My theory for this was to set up two cameras pointed at the windows and connect them to frigate or some other consumer, record any instance of movement in two specific zones, and analyze that information to determine if the secondary windows should have a full display, or something else entirely

young sigil
last cedar
maiden python
young sigil
maiden python
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gotcha. will ask elsewhere! thank you!

high remnant
umbral cliff
high remnant
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its not straya hot but for us its rather hot

calm wind
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The rooms on the 2nd floor have a similar temperature here. Living room downstairs is still around 23

high remnant
kindred swift
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I'm currently building a docker container proxy overlay.
It will essentially be a viewer for another page that you can manipulate with css & add Javascript elements to from the docker-compose. So if you have a dashboard at 10.11.12.13:141516 you could set it so that when you view this container at 10.11.12.13:8765 it shows 10.11.12.13:141516 with a clock in the corner or if you use a service to chat with 6 other people you could put labels with their names & local TZ under each person, etc.

I'm designing it so that you can pass your own CSS or JS, similar to how a browser extension does it, but I want to build a dozen or so pre-set tools that can be easily applied, like clock, date, an image/animated GIF (NOT Peanut butter), a PIP frame of another website, but I'm struggling to think of some more simple tools that users may want to overlay onto a dashboard.

I thought this might be a place where people may have some ideas.
Any things you think would be a good addition?

solar zealot
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No this is where we have a sip of cool water

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#the-workshop is for diy stuff but what you are asking for is much more involved in software development than it is in relationships to homeassistant

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So this may be best suited for a discord guild that focuses on such

static schooner
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or on the forum

scenic radish
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I'm curious what OS you're using that allows for ports higher than 65535 sunglosus

static schooner
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TV hackers

kindred swift
static schooner
high remnant
solar zealot
static schooner
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right, but here is will immediately scroll off the screen because some people shitpost here. A post on the forum will give you a dedicated place

kindred swift
scenic radish
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I know lol, I was just being pedantic

solar zealot
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the best kind of correct

static schooner
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pedanterect

kindred swift
static schooner
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there's no other place and your request is already off the screen 🤷

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in any case, maybe somebody will make a (useful) comment

kindred swift
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I asked in active chat on a couple tech threads, the idea for animated GIFs came from one of them

hollow glacier
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hi i am the shitposter

static schooner
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When somebody tells you what they are, believe them

iron granite
static schooner
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I do believe Morgan Freeman

high remnant
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I don't even own a home I am not sure why I am in a discord for home automation.

static schooner
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some people automate their boats

high remnant
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I can automate my cardboard box

static schooner
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Raccoons can automate their dumpsters

high remnant
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but can you automate the automations?

iron granite
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Yes.

scenic radish
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Yes.

static schooner
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there ya go, tearing a hole in the spacetime continuum again

scenic radish
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Yes.

static schooner
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dusty mica
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yes

static schooner
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We need to build one of these to threaten AI with

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More Clint Eastwood, less Jean Luc Picard

grizzled gull
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Afternoon, anyone want to see some harddrive abuse?

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Don't mind the shovels,haven't gotten around to them yet 😛

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Part of me is hoping they let me keep the drive and I'll just run it through a whole bunch of tests and then they can send me another one too lol

exotic yoke
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cant reliably request a linked clean (vacuum runs then mop, i dont own a combo) from HA so ive got to replicate it myself UGH

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those "cycle" things are template helpers from the rest980 integration

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otherwise i wouldnt have enough info to know when it stops cause recharging i Think is considered the same as docking? idk

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ignore the silly roomba names

ocean oar
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Our cats shed too much hair apparently, I had to add extra steps into my cleaning automation just to force the damn thing to go back to the dock and empty itself more often than it thinks it needs to

ebon heath
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finally upgraded my cameras from wifi wyze v3s to some amcrest PoE cameras. seem much more stable. im not sure how to get the camera sensors to show up as entities that i can use in node red flows, my old flows are from when you ran frigate HACS integration, now im running it as an add on App

static schooner
ebon heath
high remnant
grizzled gull
high remnant
grizzled gull
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I can see that abuse

high remnant
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grifting amazon is always a +1

ebon heath
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i have a video of USPS yeeting a package out of their car several feet. i sent it to the local supervisor and he called me and apologized, said he would address it w/ the carrier. carrier did it again next delivery.

grizzled gull
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I'm ok wiht 99% of the packages I have being thrown, very very rarely do I order fragile things

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But hard drives are an exception

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The best part is he took a picture from where he threw it from..

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I wouldn't have even looked at Frigate except for that

ebon heath
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i like how he turned around and snapped that pic at the end

high remnant
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doesn;t get paid enough to care

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I don't blame him

grizzled gull
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He could have just walked up the sidewalk 15 feet to the right

high remnant
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he didn't

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with luck you're getting an extra drive

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with less airmiles

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:D

grizzled gull
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no extra drive :/

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but took money on the drive and the sorry we screwed up fee to add 6 more TB

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now I'm second guessing spending 10 dollars more and gettign 10 TB more, but then I have to do more then just swap out 1 drive, I'd ahve to swap parity

ebon heath
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6 more TB lol. My largest drive in my house is a 1 TB ssd

high remnant
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Well I am not going to spend another 500 European Dollars on another drive 😢

grizzled gull
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lol

iron granite
grizzled gull
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given that refurb enterprise drives carry a longer warranty then new consumer drives, having dual parity and a small amount of disks makes me willing to gamble a bit

high remnant
high remnant
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you are right

iron granite
high remnant
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I bought that drive les than a year ago for 250 euro's

iron granite
grizzled gull
high remnant
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I mena do it

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still way to expensive

grizzled gull
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agreed

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22 tb is 499 though then I could just leave my partiy drives alone, but hmmm

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I'm not doing nefarius things though 🙂 Wife does a lot of photography and videos.... she's a fricken packrat

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its "Art"

static schooner
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I've been buying refurb drives for my dual redundant RAID array for a while. I've only had one go bad and I've saved a bunch of money

grizzled gull
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I had a 12tb drive drop from the array, but I think I have a fault cable as there zero realocated sectors or UDMA errors

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or my HBA got to warm...

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Guess I'll find out shortly after running it through a preclear

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200 dollar schucked WD, believe its a white label red drive

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5 years powered on hours, probably 6 months of spin time though

static schooner
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Drive failures have gone way down in the last decade or so

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I just don't worry about it anymore

grizzled gull
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yes they have, I have a bunch of 4tb WD reds that I retired only because I didn't want to pay the electricty costs to run them

static schooner
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I used to keep a spare or two handy at all times. That's just a waste now

ebon heath
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i lost a bunch of pictures to a drive failure a few years back. that was a bummer. conveniently we had made printed photo album books regularly during that phase so we had a lot of the good ones at least in a physical format.

scenic radish
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I don't have a NAS or anything, but I had a cheap SSD that I was using for local backups go read-only the other day

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First time I've had that happen

ebon heath
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this was like, ~2008 - 2014 era, and the drive was from around then as well. I did not learn my lesson and i still dont back anything up outside of uploading stuff to google photos

hollow glacier
grizzled gull
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Not like they do anything other then wipe them and test them

warm helm
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I bought it pre price jump too

exotic yoke
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love when its so obvious it represents temp internally as .5C and its converted poorly to fahrenheit 😭

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hollow glacier
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Reminder google got worse today

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upbeat oak
unborn merlin
stuck mortar
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You may ask how we at the Change Bank, make money? It’s simple, volume.

normal moon
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It is a lot easier to lie when you aren't forced to show receipts

arctic quarry
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but it sounds scary

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and has the word "AI" in it

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arctic quarry
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source please

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# arctic quarry source please

That is how I understood the announcement. Although I could be glass half empty. Will have to wait until it rolls out to be sure.

arctic quarry
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my thought is that "going fully AI" is so poorly defined that it can mean literally anything

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I mean, we can guess, right

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is the search box an LLM chat now?
is there more machine learning in PageRank?
did they hook it up to the torment nexus?

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but like

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meh

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gone are the days where you'd type "butterflies" into a google search and be presented with "Kevin's butterfly website"

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so who gives a shit really 😛

dawn badge
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It looks like it is not currently default. But I am not sure if its fully rolled out etc...

arctic quarry
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haha, here's my favourite part of this whole thing: I opened my browser, right, new tab, type some shit, look at the results page

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problem is

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I switched to Kagi a year ago

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but in my head I'm searching on Google because Google has poisoned my mind

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we're so fucked

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arctic quarry
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yeah but to the point where my lizard brain kinda just assumed "they control the entire experience of searching" even though I'm paying to not have them do that

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hilarious

lapis pike
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maaaann. it sucks how there really aren't good automatic blind solutions

rapid musk
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I successfully got home assistant on radxa e20c

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What a hassle!

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Burn armbian onto an sdcard
Sd card into device
Install ch340 driver on windows laptop
Connect usb a to c cable between e20c debug port and laptop
Open tabby, serial connection to the correct COM (check device manager to find out which port) then use baud rate of 1500000
Terminal access then wget a webtool waxgourd dongle tool, install using dpkg
Access its webui then burn HAOS community version for rk3528pi onto the emmc
Shutdown and take sd card out
Connect ethetnet cable to e20c
Done

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Just in case a rando stumbles onto the server looking for how to do this bte

iron granite
rapid musk
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I see

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The e20c is like a fraction of the price of a raspberry pi for the same specs

solar zealot
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It's also just a fraction of performance but a gain in efficiency

last cedar
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Can anyone help? Looking to automate this. When the threaded rod gets really hot I want it to turn off the device, maybe a temperature sensor and a smart plug?

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neon hawk
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Modify a switchbot to hold pliers

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hollow glacier
scenic radish
weak musk
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but recepticals outside of the US would NEVER ALLOW ANYTHING BAD TO HAPPEN

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arctic quarry
hollow glacier
high remnant
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i also choose this guys wife

weak musk
stuck mortar
last cedar
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Mine looks like about 350A

stuck mortar
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There you go, just need to find the closest NATO-equivalent

minor bobcat
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16amp also has a smell alert

ocean oar
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A delicious smell

static schooner
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That cow won't be laughing for long

late urchin
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so , i heard something about HA adding RF support? does this mean I can automate stuff that uses rf remotes like my fan?

weak musk
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Yes

late urchin
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sweet! what do i need to send an rf signal? is there usb antenna like for zigbee

weak musk
rapid musk
wanton bobcat
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I'm going to drop this here because I can't find a better place for it. I got my CNC machine connected to HA via MQTT and made a dashboard for it. (It's like the opposite of 3D Printing, but doesn't fit that topic category.) The spindle live grid updates in real time with the x,y coordinates. Automations will come later. Its almost 1 am and I gotta work in the morning. Figured people here could appreciate it.

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iron granite
wanton bobcat
iron granite
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Can also be showing projects, short how-to's or the like.

rapid spear
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Hello community! One month ago I got the keys to my new home, completely renovated last year and just recently done moving over all of my stuff, making the home truly feel mine.
I also decided to dive into the rabbit hole of home automation. The house has LED spots /everywhere/ and I wanted to transform the biggest room on the first floor into a really cool and modern media room, with tons of RGB lights everywhere.

So, first thing I did was order a bunch of RGBWW Zigbee spots to replace the ones in that room, a SMLight Zigbee coordinator, and a Raspberry Pi for my HA server. Everything arrived over the course of a few days and yesterday I finally got everything to work. I can control my lights from HA now. I just need to still create a couple of scenes for it.

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I also have window shutters that work with an RF remote, so I bought a Broadlink univeral remote to learn various signals so I can now also control my shutters from HA. Perfect for while I am at work and it is unexpectingly sunny out, I can just close them remotely so it doesn't get too hot inside.

fierce verge
rapid spear
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Thank you! After everything started to work yesterday, I got so excited to continue with more stuff. KotakeLaugh

silent doveBOT
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The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re "just asking a question", you're asking for support. Head to https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 to help you find where you should post your question. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

restive rain
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ok, for the chill bit: I can see that my small balcony solar produces more power than my AC uses :D

hollow glacier
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raccoonsita @last cedar how long have you had your own emoji?

hollow glacier
last cedar
hollow glacier
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I thought it was a cat then got sad

last cedar
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@hollow glacier

hollow glacier
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Needs more UniFi silver

eager heart
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Heya guys - any of you using the Aqara G410 doorbell?? Wondering if it works just fine with HA? I don't really care much about the recording stuff in regards to HA, but I would like to do an automation if the button is pressed. No sounds should be played, but I want all my smart lights throughout the house to blink for a couple of seconds instead. 🙂

iron granite
eager heart
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Ah thought that was for more "real support" hehe - I*ll move it there thanks

last cedar
hollow glacier
peak slate
dusty mica
weak musk
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<@&330946878646517761> probably

small gulch
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lets see how this goes.

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ive already got an automation that sends the kids notifications on their tablets then shuts off the kids wifi when tasks are assigned to them. then when they complete them, my wife and i get notifications with confirm/deny to re-enable their wifi

static schooner
peak slate
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I've been playing too much rct2 and they don't have any vertical lift hills in the game

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Would be nice for some compact designs though

static schooner
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Maybe better on the upside than the downside?

scenic radish
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probably. just take a nap

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the only question is, would the rollercoaster work better in podman or docker

iron granite
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They failed to set the container restart options correctly.

acoustic saffron
peak slate
acoustic saffron
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or make a rollercoaster ride that's like 600G because you've gone from world height to the very bottom of the game's intended limits

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okay discord

peak slate
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Or the coasters that end up talking years to finish because they're running so slowly

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And queues holding hundreds of guests so they can't leave the park

acoustic saffron
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If your Rollercoaster Tycoon can't give me the physical manifestation of internal decapitation, you've already failed

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Looking at you, RollerCoaster Tycoon World

peak slate
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Wait I thought the series stopped at 2 😛

acoustic saffron
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if only

peak slate
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Also openrct2

acoustic saffron
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is that a thing

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so it is

peak slate
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The kingpin of running rct2 in 2026

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It gives a lot of qol improvements and increased limits for a ton of things

acoustic saffron
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I just wish Planet Coaster supported multiplayer functionality

peak slate
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Like guest counts, ride counts, sprites now go up to like 65k instead of 10k

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Or was it more

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Lol

acoustic saffron
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That game would've been absolute bomb if I could build a rollercoaster haven with my crazy friends lmfao

stuck mortar
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I once got stuck on a Superman coaster right at the end waiting for the next group to get on so we could offboard. We were horizontal, face down

static schooner
stuck mortar
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Atlanta, GA in the summer, so yes also very hot

static schooner
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it's been a long, long time since I've been to Six Flags there

stuck mortar
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Feet were supported, chest was supported, belt from chest through the legs was unfortunately also “supporting”

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Good ab workout

static schooner
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I had a season pass for a while in college

thorny heron
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When I was 12-13, my mom find the best babysitter; One 'Six Flags, La ronde' pass for each of me and my brother.

We must've gone 3-4 times a week during the whole summer!

Best 150$CAD she spent back then i bet

stuck mortar
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I got a fast pass with my cousin one time, and the park was surprisingly empty for whatever reason. We were allowed to go straight from the Batman exit back to the empty queue. Did that four times in a row. The latter two were not great ideas

static schooner
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Unless they were given a heavy dose of gabapentin beforehand

scenic radish
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Some cats do actually like water

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But yeah lol

static schooner
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The water, the soap, the hair dryer 🤷

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Therefore, I must conclude that cat is high on something

hollow glacier
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unbothered. moisturized. happy. in his lane. focused. completely flourishing.

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lmao what a spot on reference too

lapis cairn
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Is he the Moo Deng of the new year?

static schooner
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I think he ate Moo Deng

lapis cairn
static schooner
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Man, the Content Description buries the lede:

Content Description: a baby hippo is laying on the ground with its mouth wide open

lapis cairn
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If it were real there would be rioting all over the world

static schooner
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Witness: Harambe

warm helm
last cedar
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I hope this doesn't count as a support question...

|| why does a bananipi and a raspberrypi taste the same? Shouldn't they taste different? ||

arctic quarry
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asking the forbidden questions

summer depot
static schooner
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I can't even tell how those should be labeled. The others seem almost random

summer depot
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Yeah that too. If you click the colored label blocks in the last column it hides/shows the related graph line. mousing over the related graph gives the version. The more recent blocks order bottom to top by version with newer lower. That relationship goes sideways at some point for older versions. Time for whoever maintains that page to take look

last cedar
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Another non support question, if I get a car with HA integration, can I park it next to my lawnmower and have it piggy bag onto the car somehow?

peak slate
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Only if you have a ramp for the lawnmower to drive up onto the car with, lawnmower can't jump very well and you don't want to discourage it from being with it's car friend

dusty mica
tardy geyser
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I am looking for pot lights with halo accent lighting that also supports direct independent control so I can use a dual channel zigbee/thread module to control... but every affordable option I've seen so far have integrated controls that force you to use the modes they support. does anyone have ideas?

solar zealot
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Probably, in the correct channel

tardy geyser
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I searched but the thread channels are way too hard to find stuff

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plus I think this is pretty niche

solar zealot
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You are welcome to open your own question in there

tardy geyser
solar zealot
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Yep that seems good

trim cliff
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Bananas

clever mortar
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Kiwi
🥝

dull chasm
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fruitloops

last plaza
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{% set fruits = 'avacado', 'pineapple', 'pomegranate', 'mango', 'apple', 'apricot', 'blueberry', 'strawberry', 'pear' %}
{% macro getRandomFruit() %}
  {{ fruits | random }}
{% endmacro %}
{{ getRandomFruit() }}
clever mortar
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🤣

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And this is why your the King of the Templates

last plaza
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LOL

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although - some people might not agree that Avacado is a fruit 😛

clever mortar
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But then, technically a cucumber is

last plaza
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I dont understand the logic - it it tastes good, it is a fruit 😃

dull chasm
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isnt a tamato a fruit also

last plaza
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LOL

clever mortar
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Yup

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Fruits (roughly) grow above ground, vegetables below

dull chasm
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something about the seeds ... if they are in the core

last plaza
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@clever mortar that's not true - Anything that has a seed is fruit...it doesn;t matter if they grow above or below ground 😃

clever mortar
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See, learned something today

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😄

last plaza
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😃

feral blaze
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tomatoes, the snotty fruit

dull chasm
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really...????

feral blaze
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tomatoes are a fruit, yes

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and they are snotty 😛

dull summit
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Fricc

dry cairn
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shit whats this

pure vine
pure knot
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feels the comedy

whole lion
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tamato isn't really an anytihng, tomaco on the other hand actually is..
Tomato is a berry, which is a fruit and cucumber is also a fruit, but the deal is, in botany the fruit is really just the seed bearing part, where as the vegetable is pretty much everything else.
Both tomatoes and cucumbers bear the seeds inside them, and so they are fruits, they both evolve from the flower, like an appel or a pear does. And that's pretty much all there is to it.

pure vine
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Given that we are talking a lot about tomatos in here the channel should be called #tomato-chat

clever mortar
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You're right, we should instead be talking about 🍌

worthy lynx
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lol

clever mortar
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🥜 🌰 ?

keen agate
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aren't most "vegetables" really something else entirely... frutis, legumes, tubers...

midnight adder
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You run this wierd cross over problem between Botany and Culinary

clever mortar
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And where do the monkeys fit?

midnight adder
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probably in dromedary, depending on if you're playing SimCity or not.

clever mortar
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And has anybody asked the Librarian what he thinks?

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(just don't call him a monkey, ok?)

midnight adder
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I'm guessing that's a reference I don't understand. 😃

clever mortar
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Discworld

midnight adder
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oh!

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I've heard good things, but never read

clever mortar
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If you enjoy reading, and fantasy, lose yourself a few months reading it

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His books unsurprisingly become a little less good towards the end, but he's pretty funny

midnight adder
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I'm a D&D nut job, so I've had a lot of people recommend that series (err... world?)

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Its not so much a series right?

clever mortar
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Well, there are series in it, but yeah - connected world ish

midnight adder
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and a point and click adventure game if I recall.

clever mortar
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Didn't ever come across that one

midnight adder
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Platforms: PlayStation, DOS, MS-DOS, Sega Saturn, Macintosh operating systems

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...that has to be the oddest collection of platforms I've seen.

clever mortar
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Dates it nicely too

midnight adder
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I'm pretty sure that PlayStation was still in Windows time frame though

clever mortar
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1994

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So, Windows 3.x days

midnight adder
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Ok, then DOS makes more sense.

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fair.

feral blaze
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SUPERFLY!

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who's your daddy!

last plaza
#

I want to start discussion about what docker images do you guys use for HomeBridge, MQTT and other components.... I used daxingplay homebridge, worked great... and also tried oznu for HomeBridge... extremely easy to setup

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whatelse you guys run on docker? InfluxDB, Grafana...?

dusty pasture
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homebridge is on my list, but I hadn't gotten to setting it up, so I'm eager to hear what others are using 😄

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I'm running eclipse-mosquitto for the mqtt component and retrohunter/apcupsd-cgi for the apcups component

feral blaze
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@last plaza everything 😛

last plaza
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@feral blaze that's great... I know @austere musk runs everything on docker... he is the one that gor me into it

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@dusty pasture are you running eclipse-mosquitto on docker?

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i recently setup apcupsd on my ubuntu as well

last cradle
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I'm trying to get my Media downloading stuff working in Docker

trim cliff
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@last plaza Dasher - https://hub.docker.com/r/clemenstyp/dasher-docker/ Home Assistant MQTT - eclipse-mosquitto:latest HomeBridge - oznu/homebridge:latest

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I was just thinking the SAME thing by the way "Asking what others are running" - I'm looking to find a good piece of software that can allow me to do airplay to my firestick or roku..

dusty pasture
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@last plaza yep, I am

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@trim cliff airconnect is what the airsonos hassio addon is using

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I think that does chromecast and sonos at least for airplaying too

midnight adder
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Any piece of hardware that you must connect to via wi-fi in order to set it up should die in a fire. </rant>

pure vine
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@midnight adder What happened

feral blaze
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@dusty pasture ++ for the beard

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@dusty pasture also, your homepage link on github is broken 😛

feral blaze
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ha! one for @dry cairn

midnight adder
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@pure vine Oh I was just in a mood. Setting up new Wemo Mini's and of course they work like crap.

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I just very much dislike the "Connect to the devices Wi-Fi. Now have it update itself with your actual wi-fi". Never seems to go well. I miss the log in, configure, reboot crap.

pure vine
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@midnight adder that's why I use the ardunio ide with these devices

midnight adder
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I haven't looked into that yet. this was supposed to be any easy christmas gift i say I wanted...

trail crag
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Osram Lightify app is guilty of sucking at this as well

midnight adder
#

Relying on 2 wireless devices to talk eachother through connecting to a network just seems... foolhardy.

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Have I set up a router of wireless before? Yes, I have. But that was a choice I made due to lazyness and if I ran into trouble I could always hard wire into the bastard.

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*off of wireless

pure vine
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The IKEA stuff is good the gateway is Ethernet connected

void solar
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@pure vine how does the bulb/remote updating work for IKEA's stuff? It's certainly going online to get those updates.

tidal matrix
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what updates?

void solar
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firmware updates

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when I set up mine, I noticed updates propagate

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you can track them from the app if you have a hub

tidal matrix
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well yes

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it would need to hit the internet for a firmware update..

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it's very fast after it's set up though. doesn't hit any external server to interact with lights

void solar
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yeah, that's true

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I just didn't know how the firmware update works, if it's done via the gateway pushing to the bulbs, or if the bulbs are dialing out individually

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the gateway makes more sense, but then do gateway-less bulbs just never get updates?

tidal matrix
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oh, I don't know about that

void solar
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no worries, just idle thoughts about it

pure vine
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@void solar I think the gateway does it and pushes it out

void solar
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interesting

pure vine
#

I still don't like the idea of using isopropyl alcohol as a window cleaner, my mom is insisting on it

clever mortar
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It works

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Normally overkill, but it's great for removing cleaning many things

feral blaze
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it is great during winter time 😛

proud plaza
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Yeah don’t place cameras up in the dark...

proud plaza
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also unplugged luftdaten not the temp camera in there too. D'OH

wary kestrel
#

having issues with an alexa skill to read a sensor status. i keep getting "This intent is not yet"

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i'm using the cloud. nothing has changed with the documentation for alexa has it?

pure vine
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@proud plaza That reminds me i need to hang my luftaten out my window, where did you put yours

proud plaza
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i have power in the shed so from there 😃

pure vine
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I was going to put it there, but i want to collect data from the frount of my house

pure vine
worn trellis
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anyone willing to help me with a docker issue? /usr/bin/python: can't open file './sshreachme.py privkey':

last plaza
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@worn trellis what docker image are you trying to run?

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is that custom python file that you are trying to run inside the docker environment?

worn trellis
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@last plaza it's just a python script to create a tunnel and maintain the connection

last plaza
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what hardware are you running?

worn trellis
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rpi2 hassio

last plaza
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ok... if you can access the command line, or via ssh, you can create a systemd service that runs that python code in the background as a daemon

worn trellis
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I have access to command line.. didn't know I had access to systemd with the hass.io / resinOS stuff

last plaza
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I am not a docker expert, but I have run python code in the background before... it is very easy and straight forward

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ok... you can also use pm2 if you can't access systemd

worn trellis
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have you done this with the resinOS hassio stuff? I don't see a way

trail crag
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he's not going to understand where you're coming from...we need more skalavala's using hassio 😛

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oh the places it could go!

worn trellis
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I figured he was off base a little.. I still think that a docker is the way to do this.

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on a normal install, yes, i'd run it from the OS as a daemon

last plaza
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excellent!

austere musk
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@worn trellis need to write a dockerfile to build your own image with your app in it

worn trellis
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I have moved on to testing this to see if it will work any way.. I've created a reverse ssh tunnel.. On the hass side, i've got it directing to 127.0.0.1:8123 to serve hass.. it returns 'failed' when I access it from the public endpoint. anyone have an idea?

trail crag
#

oh wow. now that I've actually read about meltdown and spectre...what does anything mean anymore

worn trellis
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what is real?

last plaza
trail crag
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@last plaza are you familiar with caddy and caddyfiles?

last plaza
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@trail crag no, I do not... is that something new as well?

trail crag
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not part of home assistant...

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there's an addon for hassio I'm playing with

last plaza
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ok... let me see

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I am not familiar with that...

trail crag
#

ah well

dry cairn
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@feral blaze 100%

trail crag
cerulean totem
feral blaze
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so pretty much everything is affected by spectre

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intel, amd, arm, ...

silk spear
#

Intel stock took a hit.

pure vine
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@silk spear and climbed back

silk spear
#

I plan on shorting stocks next crash

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I'm a very random person.

clever mortar
#

Project Zero have a good blog on it

stiff moth
#

Not sure if anyone is interested but coursera has 2 classes starting now coving Node Red from the IBM guys. One is pretty basic and the other is a little more andvanced. $0 cost

feral blaze
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@stiff moth links would be nice 😛

stiff moth
#

Didn't want to spam but https://www.coursera.org/learn/developer-iot/home/welcome and https://www.coursera.org/learn/developer-nodered/home/welcome .... I'm just starting so can't comment on quality.

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feral blaze
#

starts jan 8?

toxic violet
#

To any of the VMWare guys here, If my ESXi host is on ESXi-6.5.0-20171204001-standard then I should be "safe" from the various CPU bugs, right?

trim cliff
toxic violet
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ESXi-6.5.0-20171204001-standard being the version after the one where they fixed, I'm pretty sure that's a yes?

trim cliff
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@toxic violet If you have update manager, you can just look at the patches installed. You need to make sure the 6.5 patch is on there.

toxic violet
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Only have the free ESXi installed

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Yeah I'm a bit of a noob with virtualization

trim cliff
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No worries. I can't tell how the patches are named. It looks like you have 12/04 and the patch you need is 12/10.

toxic violet
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Bleh, I konw that I need to do it, but cba to restart everything right now. Also just realized that I will need to update family stuff, meh...

trim cliff
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Yeah .. I took care of it all today.

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doing client networks now.

toxic violet
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Being the only one who "knows computers" in the whole familiy can really be a curse

pure vine
brave kite
clever mortar
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Meh. Not the first time the have been claims the sky is falling

silk spear
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Looks like AMD chips are not afected.

clever mortar
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They are to some of it, as are all others since about 1995

silk spear
#

I'm interested to see AMD re-enter the datacenter market

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More competition is needed.

shy comet
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i believe AMD and most ARM processors are impacted by spectre while Meltdown is intel only

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pretty much any chip made in the past 10 years is more than likely susceptible to either of these attacks....its ok though they will patch just to find another horrible 10 year old bug that is even worse...seems to be the case since the CIA tools leak happened

trail crag
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spectre is funny...following best security practices makes you more vulnerable. uhhhhmm...ok

midnight adder
#

anyone uses telstick here?

last plaza
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I have Bose Lifestyle speakers, currently they only work with Bose receiver... any ideas on hooking them up to other receivers like Yamaha, Onkyo, DENON?

dull chasm
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trade in the bose...... no highs no lows must be bose

feral blaze
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i like my bose noise canceling, because noise canceling, and my bose travel speakers because small, other than that, bose is meh

last plaza
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I liked bose long time ago, but not anymore... I spent may be 3grand on those 15 years back...

dull chasm
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Now the 901 and 701 and 6.2 from the 80's where awesome

last plaza
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the speakers are great, subwoofer is a bit bulky, but I heard the speakers are not compatible with other receivers, as the bose receiver does the cross-over that other receivers can't

dull chasm
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no way

tidal bronze
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@last plaza yamaha aventage

last plaza
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that works with bose speakers? @tidal bronze

tidal bronze
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I would not do anything else

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Hose?

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Lol

dull chasm
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my onkyo can set crossovers for each channell

feral blaze
#

yeah, my denon can as well

tidal bronze
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You will destroy the Sabre using bose speakers but yes will work

feral blaze
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@last plaza sell the bose, buy new speakers 😛

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it's bose, you'll find someone to buy them

last plaza
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I don't get much if I sell them now @feral blaze

tidal bronze
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You will be fine

last plaza
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its like lifestyle 2500 series or something.. 17 years old - works great though

tidal bronze
#

There's no limit to where you can go with these things

feral blaze
#

tbh, in the end sound is very personal

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it needs to sound good TO YOU

last plaza
tidal bronze
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I run 1 x rx-a3070 and a rx-a1000

feral blaze
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my speakers are 40ish years old ^^;

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oh, those ^^;

tidal bronze
#

You will be happy with both denon and yamaha Hass components

dull chasm
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@tidal bronze I think you smoking somthing Onkyo is much better

tidal bronze
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Sorry

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Used them all

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Yamaha FTW

feral blaze
#

denon works, but ha mediaplayer functionality is a bit limited in general

shy comet
#

I have onkyo and love it

feral blaze
#

from a remote point of view, anyway

tidal bronze
#

Remote point yamaha all the way

shy comet
#

if you are going to be upgrading your home theater definitely look into a Dolby Atmos setup 😃

feral blaze
#

also, marantz = denon, now

shy comet
#

highly recommend it for any audiophile

dull chasm
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The lower end onkyo's are meh.... but the top end Rz and Integra are the shit

tidal bronze
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Whatever you can't do with component you can do with the python

feral blaze
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so most new marantz AVRs will work with the denon component

tidal bronze
#

@shy comet already run 11.2

feral blaze
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@shy comet i might, JUST because my X2000 doesn't do HDR :/

tidal bronze
#

😀

dull chasm
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Marantz used to be fanatasic... but havent they went downhill

tidal bronze
#

@dull chasm have you used an aventage?

dull chasm
#

no

shy comet
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@tidal bronze you mean 7.1.4??

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err

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7.2.4 lol

tidal bronze
#

Lol

shy comet
#

currently i have 5.1.2

tidal bronze
#

11 plus 2 subs

shy comet
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@feral blaze dolby atmos with hdr is where its at

feral blaze
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i'm on 5.0, but the fronts have MORE than enough bass anyway

shy comet
#

we just rewatched harry potter in 4k....looked so good!

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sound was amazing too as it was DTS:X

feral blaze
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yeah, i don't care about 4k as much, but HDR is the shizzle

shy comet
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i consider them one in the same personally

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hdr shines with 4k

feral blaze
#

a LOT of 4k content isn't HDR

tidal bronze
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Hdr is just color space

feral blaze
#

of course, you can't find a lot of HDR content in 1080p...

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but i'd take 1080p HDR over 4k SDR

shy comet
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4k SDR is not real 4k to me

tidal bronze
#

Try graded 8k on 4k TV now that's mind numbing

shy comet
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you cant have 4k without the HDR

feral blaze
#

most 4k content atm isn't actually HDR, so you can

shy comet
#

most streaming content isnt

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but look at all the UHD's

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every movie has HDR

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only some documentaries don't

feral blaze
#

on netflix, HDR content is limited

shy comet
#

hdr on netflix is screwy

feral blaze
#

anyway

tidal bronze
#

@last plaza if you want yamaha at dealer price let me know

last plaza
#

I just got a DENON last summer.. no more new receivers - hopefully

feral blaze
#

which one?

last plaza
#

let me check...

feral blaze
#

my X2000 is great, except it not doing anything beyond 4k30hz

shy comet
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I love how we are talking about new receivers wehn HDMI 2.1 receivers are about to hit the market

feral blaze
#

man, i just wish for AVR's without amps

last plaza
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@feral blaze I have Denon AVR‑X4300H

feral blaze
#

so you can upgrade them separate

shy comet
#

Samsung had a unique idea to try to combat it with their special hub that attaches to their TV's but people don't get it that tech doesn't work that way lol

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upgrading HDMI 2.0 to HDMI2.1 does you no good if your display can't handle dynamic HDR or higher framerates

feral blaze
#

in the end, HDMI and especially HDCP is a MESS

shy comet
#

a reciever would benefit more from that

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all of it is

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ARC is a mess too

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I hope they fix it with eARC

feral blaze
#

oh yea

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fuck ARC

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fuck it not passing on 5.1 if the TV is capable of playing 5.1

shy comet
#

ARC is such a screwy implementation

tidal bronze
#

I am testing a 100% arc HD Base T right now. Looks promising

shy comet
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they shouldve ahve allowed manufacturers to do their own thing with it and HDMI cec

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shouldve forced a standard

last plaza
#

I still have the old ONKYO receiver... the HDMI audio doesnt work for some reason... video comes out ok

tidal bronze
#

Do return on optical

shy comet
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@last plaza wow so teh HDMI port burned out?

feral blaze
#

optical tops out at 5.1 lossy or 2.o lossless

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sadly

shy comet
#

@tidal bronze my optical cable is my backup cable LOL....I rely on ARC for my TV's builtin CC but sometimes it doesnt work so I had to create an automation script that sets teh receiver accordingly once its on

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ARC is nice since it lets your receiver switcch between sources when it needs to....just only works like 60% of the time lol

tidal bronze
#

The arc is a tricky thing. My closet it about 150 ft from the media room

last plaza
#

@shy comet possibly... it had a bug that if you have the HDMI connected, and you do a firmware upgrade, it burns the HDMI card out...and it did

feral blaze
#

sounds like a warranty case

last plaza
#

I had to replace HDMI ports on it by shipping it to the nearest dealer location, they took a month to replace the HDMI ports, but never the same

shy comet
#

holy crap!!

tidal bronze
#

@last plaza so what's your ultimate goal?

shy comet
#

yea onkyos have been known to be troublesome with HDMI....i must be lucky with my TX-NR646

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I think my ARC issue is more related to my Sony TV than the receiver

tidal bronze
#

It's your TV

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Same with Samsung

feral blaze
#

no, arc just sucks 😛

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it sucks with my samsung, it sucks with my buddies panasonic, it sucks with my dads philips...

tidal bronze
#

@shy comet have tried arc with control disabled

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?

feral blaze
#

i only get 2.0 out of ARC from almost anything

last plaza
#

my ultimate goal would be to connect my Bose speakers to the DENON receiver... 😃 @tidal bronze

feral blaze
#

i mean, it works.. just only stereo

tidal bronze
#

@last plaza so you should be all set

shy comet
#

@tidal bronze yup I have....my issue is that ARC sometimes works and I can tell when I power on my TV/Receiver....sometimes it will tell me that it found my receiver and other times it didnt

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it feels more like a handshake issue than anything

last plaza
#

@tidal bronze how?

tidal bronze
#

You have powered speakers?

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Sorry I am not a bose person but anything is possible

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Give me the model numbers

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Use your zone 2 out

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Assign the output you want to zone 2

last plaza
#

the bose speakers are not powered speakers

tidal bronze
#

Lifestyle 12

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Right?

last plaza
#

yes - they are cube speakers...

tidal bronze
#

So you have auxiliary in?

last plaza
#

the speakers don't have aux-in..

tidal bronze
#

How are you driving them now?

last plaza
#

the speakers are just small cube speakers with two wires sticking out... black and red

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they are powered via Bose receiver...

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The subwoofer is also bose, it is powered too

tidal bronze
#

So bose receiver has aux in

last plaza
#

yes, bose receiver has aux-in.... yes!

tidal bronze
#

Keep all the same and assign zone 2 to aux

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On your main avr

last plaza
#

I can't change bose receiver mode using HA

tidal bronze
#

Why not

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Harmony hub

last plaza
#

bose is not integrated with MY HA... bose doesn't support harmony hub - they are very proprietary

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I tried connecting speakers directly to the ONKY receiver, it wouldn't work... they need the Bose Receiver to send amplified audio to them... all the chanel crossover happens in the Bose receiver, and sent to subwoofer, and speakers are connected to subwoofer...

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weird design from Bose.... they don't use open protocols

tidal bronze
#

Well you can change speaker setup but your sub will not work since your AVR is not driving the sub

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Best is to use the bose unit and get aux in

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Leave all intact

#

You can get a refurbished harmony for nuts on ebay

feral blaze
#

or get a neeo

last plaza
#

I can connect a Raspberry Pi to Bose aux in, and I should be able to play the music 😃 @tidal bronze

feral blaze
#

once they start shipping again 😛

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or go nuts, and use Claw 😛

last plaza
#

I will try that this weekend... already got a huge list of things to do... we need a day between Saturday and Sunday 😛

tidal bronze
#

Yes you can do pi with a dac

last plaza
#

whats the DAC for in this case?

tidal bronze
#

Regular audio output on the Raspberry Pi is really bad you can get a hifiberry DAC

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They sell clones on eBay for half the price as well

last plaza
#

I am not an audiophile... I don't think I will be able to tell the difference 😃

feral blaze
#

you will

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the audrio on the pi is REALLY bad 😛

tidal bronze
#

Of course you will it's night and day

last plaza
#

let me try this weekend

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@feral blaze what soundcard drivers do you use for your RPi?

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audio drivers

feral blaze
#

i don't

tidal bronze
#

Fire up Pi music box

feral blaze
#

i don't like pi's much, myself, especially for audio

last plaza
#

I use Pulse Audio - they are good..

tidal bronze
#

All the drivers you want are built in

last plaza
#

I use my DENON and Bose for most of my audio at home, sometimes I play using RPi whole house snapcast system, they work great too

feral blaze
#

uhu

tidal bronze
#

You should really try it DAC with one of your raspberry pies

last plaza
#

is there a link for the DAC?

feral blaze
#

i got a sonos atm to play with

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it's not the best audio, but it isn't for any place i really care about the quality, either

tidal bronze
#

Driving right now I will send you a link soon

last plaza
#

ok... cool!

tidal bronze
last plaza
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oh, cool... thank you! @tidal bronze

tidal bronze
#

Of course

feral blaze
trim cliff
clever mortar
#

Ooooooh

#

Did 3.4 really get kicked to the kerb, or is it currently waiting for the axe to fall?

dull chasm
#

two axes just to make sure its a clean cut

tidal matrix
digital bay
#

@tidal matrix you'd be better off getting a NUC 😂

#

I've tested 4 together before and actually lost a decent overhead combining the four on a basic multi-threaded test app, this was quite a while ago though

tidal matrix
#

lol

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yeah no kidding

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10 rpi's, chargers, cables, 2 8-port switches.... I assume he spent upwards of $600+ on that setup

digital bay
#

I could buy another R710 and run it for at least 6+ months for under the cost of that and still have 100x the computing power, when I see those I always laugh as they're honestly terrible compared to other things, they just look cooler imo, that's about it

tidal matrix
#

i actually just watched his follow up video, he talked about how having 10 rpi's is helpful because he does software dev and can have a bunch of linux environments and test them out. So for his use case that's something I suppose

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suppose it can be better than virtualized environments in some scenarios

digital bay
#

Eh, It's all about space too, I have a whole extra room, some people are in college and barely have a desk so something like that would be perfect I'd assume

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and noisy... R710's will make you go crazy

tidal matrix
#

yeah, I mentioned in my Slack work it's basically bragging rights 😂
"I have a server farm at home, and it fits in a shoebox"

digital bay
#

Yeah literally why I did mine

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It's all bragging rights to people who aren't very familair they think it's a super computer box sized 😛

sweet apex
#

Hi, what's the cheapest & decent chromecast speaker ? (~50-60$) I was thinking about a rpi combined to a bluetooth speaker. Is there a better solution ?

tidal matrix
#

do you already have a rpi?

sweet apex
#

@Kalen Yes, I have 2 unused. But after some research it seems that using a pi as a chromecast audio is not the best idea. I want to cast music with my smartphone and integrate it to HA

digital bay
#

For plug and play, a chrome audio and any speakers, most apps already support the chromes, and they're actually not bad on audio quality

sweet apex
#

Thanks, I am going to search for a chromecast audio then

last cradle
#

@trim cliff that's .60.1 not .61 😭

dry cairn
#

yeah whats that about ?

trail crag
mighty perch
#

is there a good discord chat for raspberry pi/dietpi talk?

pure vine
#

I need to get better at git

sleek geyser
#

https://xkcd.com/1597/

xkcd: Git
If that doesn't fix it, git.txt contains the phone number of a friend of mine who understands git. Just wait through a few minutes of 'It's really pretty simple, just think of branches as...' and eventually you'll learn the commands that will fix everything.
pure vine
tidal matrix
#

@pure vine YOU HAVE A PROBLEM

foggy crater
#

@pure vine Definitely worth investing some time to learn screen/tmux or something 😃 thats crazy

midnight adder
#

Hello People,i'm Joao from Portugal, nice to meet you guys! i need add a thermostat component "Nest" in the Home Assistant Platform. i'm a rookie, so i appreciate to explain me step by step who i need ... thanks! cheers!

clever mortar
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Start by reading the documentation on the web site 😉

trim cliff
midnight adder
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I've not seen Home Assistants presentation at CES yet, comes tomorrow I assume? I'm excited for what will be presented. (I know HAs not there)

clever mortar
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@toxic violet Please see the topic for #the-water-cooler - it's for stuff not HA related 😉

last cradle
dry cairn
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includes special offers

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lol

shy comet
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u can just call customer suport and get them to remove it

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its a case of finding the right agent that will do it for u

trail crag
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@clever mortar back to the fruit: cashews are a seed that grow on the outside of the cashew apple which are a categorized as a "false fruit" or "pseudocarp"

clever mortar
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😄

last cradle
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@trail crag and apparently their shells are poisonous which is why you never find them shell on

pure vine
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@last cradle no, the shells are not poisonous but they can cause skin irritation

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The shell of the cashew nut contains oil compounds which may cause contact dermatitis similar in severity to that of poison ivy

last cradle
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that's it?? just irritation?? good lord. another case of the American government protecting us from our own stupidity, much like Kinder Eggs and Lawn Darts

pure vine
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@last cradle well, its more to do with shops not wanting to be sued for someone hands inflating like a balloon

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Its also easier to sell them in nut form

last cradle
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if the government would just allow "survival of the fittest" to just run it's natural course, we would be much better off, but then there would be no one left willing to vote for either dominant party

pure vine
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@last cradle nah, it has nothing to do with the government, its all in risk reduction and shelf space

last cradle
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lol

pure vine
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You wouldn't want someone sueing you over a nut

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They also need to roast them to get rid if the irritat

trim cliff
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I feel smarter now.

last cradle
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Men get sued for child support everyday, all because of a nut. Well 2, but same thing

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And you are correct. I do not want get sued over any kind of nut

last cradle
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Wow. that sure killed the conversation. too much? too far??

trim cliff
last cradle
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ROFL

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I asked the guy at work if he thought I went too far and he just laughed

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There must be something wrong with my wife and I. I just explained this all to her and now neither one of us can stop laughing

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she called me a thread killer 😦

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ok ok.. book downloaded

dry cairn
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threadripper

clever mortar
pure vine
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@last cradle I had kinda gone to sleep after that link about the cahew nuts

silk spear
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I get super triggered when people don't turn on their tail lights while driving in the dark.

clever mortar
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Thank goodness for DRLs becoming mandatory in Europe

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Actually seen a few cheap cars that solved the DRL requirement by just having the lights come on all round when the engine was running

pure vine
clever mortar
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Rear fogs shouldn't ever come on automatically, ever

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If they do, your car has faulty electrics 🤣

pure vine
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Yeah, back fogs only come on when the frount fogs come on

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Hmm, tail lights are linked to the frount one in the uk and probably the whole EU

clever mortar
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But, DRL (daytime running lights) often mean people think they have lights on

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Some low quality implementations seem to light the dash as well as the DRLs, so there's less visible clue that the lights aren't really on

pure vine
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@clever mortar hmm, why dont they do what the buses do, IIRC all the first buses have their tail lights on during the day

clever mortar
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I'm fine with more lights by default, it makes things easier to see overall

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I just wish people wouldn't slap the brightest bulb they can find in, and then screw up the alignment of it

pure vine
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I want to get my dad to put some osrams leds in the car the next time the bulb goes

clever mortar
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LEDs and HIDs are great

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My current car has HIDs and I was amazed at the difference they made over the stock lights in the previous car

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Dayum 😮

pure vine
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Thats bright

clever mortar
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Yeah, proper light alignment makes the difference

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I've heard of these a lot lately, they look pretty nice

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Yeah, I've got a VAG range TDI myself and it's a great car

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Previous generation Audi A4 estate, but it doesn't drive like a 10 year old car

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None actually

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My first car, I have photos of, but each time less and less photos

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Ouch

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Nope, I've had this from a couple of years old, and touch wood nothing major has needed doing

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Yeah. I did some work on my first car, but it was all mechanical (and I had no money). These days it's all electronics and I can afford to pay somebody 😃

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It's relatively do-able from what I've seen

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There's been a few car TV shows that have touched on it, usually showing what others have done, or rebuilding abandoned projects

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😃

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The full thing is about 45 minutes, but if you can find it it covers things like the parts he used, etc

pure vine
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hmm, theres no audio on my laptop for some reason

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Nah, it was pulse audio

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Yeah, the linux fix seems stable

clever mortar
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Yeah, last day or so by the looks of things

pure vine
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Yep, @clever mortar is it kind of like the skills thing on the alexa app

pure vine
pure vine
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My current laptop does, But i havent installed the nvidia drivers so its all running on the intergrated graphics

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@midnight adder just about to mess arround with it

clever mortar
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Next we'll convert you to the (other) dark side that is BSD 😜

pure vine
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That has limited nvidia support

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Yeah ive had that too

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Gnome, atleast on fedroa uses the integrated for most things and there is a menu option to use the dedecated

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Ive done that with Discord as it runs so terribly

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@midnight adder is it a optimus laptop?

pure vine
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@midnight adder Im just going to look at the flickering

pure vine
pure vine
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Actually, if you want it always to use the nvidia GPU it doesnt seem to be that bad

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My test is MPV as it is what i used to have the issue with

fading ice
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anyone here run openvpn access server and / or openvpn client on linux?

clever mortar
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👋 yes - both

fading ice
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@clever mortar I got my AS set up and I can connect successfully with my android phone, but on linux after it connects, I can't hit anything - external sites or internal services

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any thoughts?

clever mortar
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For internal sites, it's normally that your VPN server isn't the default gateway, and other systems don't know how to reach the IP range you're using

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It could be the same for the router, not knowing how to route the packets. Check that it's NATing the VPN traffic, or is in bridge mode rather than tunnel mode

fading ice
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Honestly I'm mostly concerned about external access anyway, I just want to be able to route my traffic through my home network

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Would that be client-side or server-side?

clever mortar
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On Linux too, check that there's new routes pushed and accepted on the client

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sudo netstat -rn

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My AS server I can't hit right now ('cos it's on the work network, and I'm not at work right now), but the settings will show whether it's bridged or tunnel

fading ice
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settings in the web UI?

clever mortar
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Yeah, for AS

fading ice
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hmm

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AS says the OSI layer is 3 (routing / NAT) and "Clients access subnets" via NAT

clever mortar
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You should be able to confirm that by running tcpdump/wireshark on something on the network, and trying to connect over the VPN

fading ice
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hmm

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so I just spun up a centos VM and it connects just fine in it

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so its gotta be something on my workstation

clever mortar
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Check that when the VPN comes up the routes get changed

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That's often the problem

fading ice
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how do i check the routes

clever mortar
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sudo netstat -rn

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You may also need push "redirect-gateway def1" on the server

fading ice
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hm, looks like netstat is out of date

clever mortar
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I've never been on a box that doesn't have it

fading ice
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arch linux 😛

clever mortar
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sudo ip route probably

fading ice
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it doesn't come with anything

clever mortar
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Which is a good default, but a PITA for us old timers

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I mean, come on, I was using vi before this vim stuff came along (even if only just)

fading ice
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lol

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ok

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Here are routes before starting openvpn:

default via 172.16.40.1 dev enp0s31f6 src 172.16.40.37 metric 202 
default via 192.168.55.1 dev wlp4s0 src 192.168.52.70 metric 303 
172.16.40.0/24 dev enp0s31f6 proto kernel scope link src 172.16.40.37 metric 202 
172.18.0.0/24 dev docker0 proto kernel scope link src 172.18.0.1 
192.168.52.0/22 dev wlp4s0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.52.70 metric 303 
192.168.52.0/22 dev wlp4s0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.53.30 metric 600 
192.168.52.0/22 dev wlp4s0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.52.70 metric 600 
192.168.56.0/24 dev vboxnet0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.56.101 metric 207
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And after:

0.0.0.0/1 via 172.27.232.1 dev tun0 
default via 172.16.40.1 dev enp0s31f6 src 172.16.40.37 metric 202 
default via 192.168.55.1 dev wlp4s0 src 192.168.52.70 metric 303 
128.0.0.0/1 via 172.27.232.1 dev tun0 
172.16.40.0/24 dev enp0s31f6 proto kernel scope link src 172.16.40.37 metric 202 
172.18.0.0/24 dev docker0 proto kernel scope link src 172.18.0.1 
172.27.232.0/23 dev tun0 proto kernel scope link src 172.27.232.21 
174.109.39.209 via 172.16.40.1 dev enp0s31f6 
192.168.52.0/22 dev wlp4s0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.52.70 metric 303 
192.168.52.0/22 dev wlp4s0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.53.30 metric 600 
192.168.52.0/22 dev wlp4s0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.52.70 metric 600 
192.168.56.0/24 dev vboxnet0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.56.101 metric 207
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So it looks like it's adding them?

clever mortar
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It does

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Though that's a lot of routes 😜

fading ice
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well i am running a VM and docker

clever mortar
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I wonder if those extra defaults are part of the problem

fading ice
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hrmm

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let me stop them

clever mortar
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I've never tried to VPN from a machine running docker and VMs

fading ice
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ok

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turned off wifi, vm, and docker:

default via 172.16.40.1 dev enp0s31f6 src 172.16.40.37 metric 202 
172.16.40.0/24 dev enp0s31f6 proto kernel scope link src 172.16.40.37 metric 202 
172.18.0.0/24 dev docker0 proto kernel scope link src 172.18.0.1 linkdown
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Still no. Routes after:

0.0.0.0/1 via 172.27.232.1 dev tun0 
default via 172.16.40.1 dev enp0s31f6 src 172.16.40.37 metric 202 
128.0.0.0/1 via 172.27.232.1 dev tun0 
172.16.40.0/24 dev enp0s31f6 proto kernel scope link src 172.16.40.37 metric 202 
172.18.0.0/24 dev docker0 proto kernel scope link src 172.18.0.1 linkdown 
172.27.232.0/23 dev tun0 proto kernel scope link src 172.27.232.22 
174.109.39.209 via 172.16.40.1 dev enp0s31f6
clever mortar
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0.0.0.0/1 via 172.27.232.1 dev tun0 

128.0.0.0/1 via 172.27.232.1 dev tun0
fading ice
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wait,why is that docker one still there

clever mortar
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Those 2 are the ones I'd expect

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That should over-ride the default routes, becuase they're more specific

fading ice
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hmm

clever mortar
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So, tcpdump time again I think

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On that machine to see if the packets are going out over tun0

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And on the far end to see if they're arriving with the expected IP address

fading ice
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ok

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tcpdump on both ends?

clever mortar
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Yeah

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Then run a ping and see what you get

fading ice
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i'm not seeing anything client-side in tcpdump

clever mortar
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The likely possibilities are:

  1. The packets never go out on the VPN
  2. They go out, but they're arriving with the 172.27.232.x address
  3. You've got 172.27.232.x addresses elsewhere in the route
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You'll need to do tcpdump -i tun0 - is that what you did?

fading ice
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ah, no

clever mortar
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Sorry, I spend too much time with it, forget to tell people the important stuff

fading ice
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It just sits there, nothing happening

clever mortar
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On the far end, also nothing?

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And, can you ping 172.27.232.1 and get a response

fading ice
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let me check

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same

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nothing in the ping window or the tcpdump window

clever mortar
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What does ip addr show provide for tun0?

fading ice
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sorry, it was having issues copy/pasting that info

clever mortar
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No worries, I'm just sanity checking stuff

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If you can't ping the gateway (172.27.232.1) then something is badly broken

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Or, possibly, client isolation is turned on

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I've not currently got access to one with that enabled

fading ice
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would that be enabled server-side?

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again, if it helps determine anything, the OpenVPN connect app on my android works just fine

clever mortar
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Yeah, it is

fading ice
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and it worked in my centos VM

clever mortar
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I suspect the issue is client side

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(like 99.9% sure)

fading ice
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yeah

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sounds like it

clever mortar
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But, I'm damned if I can think of what

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Firewall?

fading ice
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not installed

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I wonder if I'm missing something - AS wouldn't work until I enabled iptables as a service

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which it wasn't by default with arch

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(i did enable it client-side as well just in case)

clever mortar
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Yeah, it needs the NAT part

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You won't need it client side, just server side

fading ice
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so I wonder if i'm missing something running client side or something....

clever mortar
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Client side should be pretty lightweight

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I mean, I've got a Pi3 that I just installed the client on, pointed it at the config, and done

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There shouldn't be any more required

fading ice
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Here's the startup output for openvpn, not sure if any of that helps:

clever mortar
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Don't see any obvious issues

fading ice
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oh well

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thanks for the help 😛

clever mortar
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No worries. I'll have another look through tomorrow when I'm more awake, just in case I'm missing anything

fading ice
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cool, i appreciate it!

pure vine
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Does anyone rember when firefox was going to add the custom element support

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that will make the HASS frount end more useable

trim cliff
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anyone have any suggestions for a good Docker print server?

pure vine
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CUPS

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@trim cliff What do you mean by print server

trim cliff
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So I have a few network printers and based on IP, it's always a pain in the ass setting up all the laptops in the house to print to them. so I was hoping for a network print server that I can point all the laptops too which can spool and then print to the printers.

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Might be more work than it's worth but I'm looking for more dockers to use. 😃

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CUPS seems perfect actually.

pure vine
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CUPS tends to be installed by defult, i dont know how well it works in docker

trim cliff
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ok.. next question : anyone running unifi docker image? I'm looking to see someone's compose file.

pure vine
mossy surge
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linus 😍

last cradle
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ouch $999

mossy surge
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i wonder how they will handle small dogs that poop on pads indoors

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will they run the poop over? 🤔

pure vine
mossy surge
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actually more

last cradle
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lol

pure vine
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@mossy surge that was cad $ in the description I think

last cradle
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same in US

pure vine
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Its a lot cheaper, there with the offer

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Well, atleast dyson don't do a apple with the same pricing internationally

mossy surge
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I thought it was the British pound symbol my bad

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No. That was the British pound symbol

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Or or are you talking about not that pic you posted?

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I just googled it and saw it was 1000$

tall escarp
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@trim cliff I can share mine tonight

pure vine
last plaza
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Random question - what's the best desktop computer to buy for kids? thinking buy vs build

fading ice
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@clever mortar I finally got OpenVPN to work!

clever mortar
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I bought a NUC, dropped in an M.2, and hooked it up to the TV

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Woot! @fading ice

fading ice
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apparently dhcpcd was messing with the network config - I disabled it, rebooted and now it's all working fine.

clever mortar
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Ah 😃

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Brace yourself!

fading ice
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@midnight adder wasn't that the one with kernel issues?

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or did they fix it? 😛

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If it's downloaded form their site, you should be good. They pulled it at one point, if they put it back up I'm sure its fine now

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sorry, not kernel issues - BIOS issues

last plaza
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I was thinking along the lines of @midnight adder - get a basic one, and put an SSD in there... they already have laptops, but wanted something in their work space permanently ON, where they can print and playaround

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@clever mortar I didn't have good luck with NUC when I got it last time, and returned it, and haven't had a chance to get a new one yet... if I am going to spend a grand, I might as well get a NAS

clever mortar
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I bought a fairly cheap Intel one, but 🤷

last plaza
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when I compare build vs buy it is cheaper to just buy basic one than building it

serene mortar
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@last plaza Different use cases - NAS vs NUC

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I thought you already have a NAS

last plaza
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@serene mortar I do... I am liking my NAS so much, I want to expand it... everything I can run on my desktop I can run in docker on my NAS these days...

serene mortar
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You can run Docker on any machine, including a NUC

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that is what I am doing

last plaza
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I am in love with my QNAP - they are doing amazing, great support and apps for the NAS

serene mortar
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NAS is under-powered for, especially for Plex. I moved my Plex container to NUC

fading ice
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So I have a question: I have a home server I've been using for about a year now. Decent hardware for what it is. But I'm getting into home Nas with snapRAID and would like to put all my hard drives into one case. Any recommendations on cases? Preferably rack mountable but not required.

last plaza
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that was my thinking - if you are running docker on NUC, why not just run the same docker on NAS instead of spending $1300... is my thinking 🤔

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the new NAS has more power...

serene mortar
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@last plaza It gets very slow once you start using image processing/camera capabilities

last plaza
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yeah....

serene mortar
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SO you are running HA on your NAS now?

last plaza
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I stoppd using plex completely - I use twonky now... I am very happy with it... I don't expose my media outside my network anyway, twonky is lightweight, and no licensing issues

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My HA is still running on my old ubuntu... I did install it on my NAS but it is stopped now

serene mortar
last plaza
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@midnight adder that's how our data center look 😃

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very true

serene mortar
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BTW...Intel is introducing 'Hades Canyon' NUC, update to Skull Canyon

last plaza
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I wish we have smaller racks available - where we can put small pizza box size servers in that rack

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Hades Canyon? will look into it

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@midnight adder that is neat!!!

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that's good... that's where I check for the rack server deals too

fading ice
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@midnight adder so what would you suggest for someone who already has a rack and server but needs an enclosure for the HDDs?

peak cloud
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@fading ice There are tons of server chassis on Amazon that can hold many HDDs.

fading ice
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would that be the best option? wasn't sure if an external enclosure for many harddrives was preferable in some cases

clever mortar
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stop sitting on it

median gust
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dad?

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can spotify be controlled without premium, like directly

light trout
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@median gust From the docs: "Controlling the Spotify component (pause, play, next, etc) requires a Premium account."
But if you can controll the media player, there is an posibility, but not with the component

pure vine
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@midnight adder I got my Optimus laptop to kind of work

fading ice
peak cloud
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@clever mortar Good call on this channel, btw. 😉

clever mortar
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Thanks

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Encryption FTW

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(right up until you're doing an investigation, and discover that some muppet lost the decrypt keys...)

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I've been both sides (for corporates). Encryption is great for ensuring that you don't lose data, but when some idiot member of staff may have broken the law, and the decrypt key doesn't work.... it's not fun times

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Still, all my personal devices get encryption - because I'd rather have to recover from backups than lose data 😃

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Yup

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There I use the "new" file based option so it can reboot (and function as an alarm etc)

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Clearly you just look dubious