the-water-cooler

[steel pumice]

wwwHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[dawn badge]

CG-NAT?

[steel pumice]

yes 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

DAMN IT

[dawn badge]

You didn't even have to filter any of it 😛

[dawn badge]

You get ipv6 at least?

[steel pumice]

hold on lemme check

lemme testy

nope

[dawn badge]

No incoming connections for you then 🙁

[steel pumice]

sob

[young sigil]

Have you tried contacting your ISP? Mine took me off CGNAT as soon as I asked, free of charge.

[steel pumice]

gonna try later

no matter if its a dynamic ip it's still public ip

I'll just use ddns

[umbral cliff]

A lot of the time the non CGNAT Dynamic IPs stay around for a long time as well

[umbral cliff]

Make sure you've tested IPv6 properly, like google to see if theres any advice
Lots of carriers do IPv6 differently lol

[steel pumice]

yeah the wan ipv6 isnt the same as whatsmyipaddress

[umbral cliff]

Thats normal
The fact you have an ipv6 address means you have ipv6

https://test-ipv6.com/ @steel pumice try this

[steel pumice]

oh really?

[umbral cliff]

IPv6 is per device unique IP

[steel pumice]

ooh maybe i can use it for port forwarding>?

[dawn badge]

with ipv6 you don't have to "forward" as the device has a unique routable address. but you have to allow connections through what is called a "pinhole"

[umbral cliff]

(Or firewall)

[glacial knot]

oh right, I should fix the IPv6 here

I also need to double check my firewall rules for IPv6...

honestly, the only reason to get ipv6 running is to be able to VPN to my homenet on v6 only networks...

meh, looks like the simple way to do dyndns that I use doesn't support AAAA 🙁

Maybe I need to update my provider.... https://dynv6.com/ seems to support it

[static schooner]

Get a domain?

[glacial knot]

I have one. But I have the main DNS with namecheap and they don't offer an API for dynamic changes 🙁

[static schooner]

Well that sucks

[glacial knot]

so I delegate 1 address and 1 domain for dns0 challenges and the dyndns respectively

[static schooner]

Ongycom

[glacial knot]

like, https://go-acme.github.io/lego/dns/namecheap/ 🤦

[static schooner]

Boo. Not so cheap

[glacial knot]

filtered to valid client IPs as well 🎉

but yea, that's why I delegate part to luadns and part to cloudns as is
Maybe I can just move the ddns bits from cloudns to luadns. Since I use them for dns0 challenges already...

[static schooner]

I'm watching the Olympics and I find the drone whine to be particularly annoying, but provides an interesting camera perspective. I also note that the drone gives up on luge after the first turn 🙂

[glacial knot]

drone whine? on the audio? They cannot filter it out?

[static schooner]

Well, they don't

You can see them flying around in other camera views and hear them easily

[scenic radish]

sign up for Cloudflare's free tier and make them your DNS provider

[glacial knot]

No

[scenic radish]

[ocean oar]

They started filtering out the vuvuzelas at the football pretty quick 😄

[glacial knot]

I'm aware that it would be one of the easiest ways to do this

I just don't want to

because I'm stubborn

[ocean oar]

You would also think for a fixed track sport like the luge that putting the camera on a rail would be far easier

[static schooner]

Not sure they don't. Like a horse race

Maybe hard to get the angle consistent around turns and such

[stuck mortar]

Attach a camera to the back of a penguin and send it down first

Tux racer style

[glacial knot]

but do they have the penis implants for ski jump?

[scenic radish]

[stuck mortar]

wang wing implants

[static schooner]

They did mention in the women's ski jump that the controversy only applied to the men's run 🙂

[stuck mortar]

presumably

But what about butt implants?

[static schooner]

The spiked gloves they use in luge look terrifying

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/sunmanosdetijeras-gif-23377892

[forest edge]

wang chat again?

[stuck mortar]

No we’ve switched to talking about butts

[steel pumice]

whoever made these are legends

[glacial knot]

AHH! luadns you dumbos
apparently I can update either my A record or my AAAA record in one call, but not both 🤦

[steel pumice]

duckdomainnamesystem

[umbral cliff]

How often are your ipv6 addresses changing? For my ISP its static for free for example

[umbral cliff]

I do it because its fun to have dual stack

[glacial knot]

Haven't checked. But I suspect it's the same as the v4. On PPP renegotiation

[umbral cliff]

PPP?

[glacial knot]

Yes

[umbral cliff]

What is that

[glacial knot]

annoying
The protocol my ISP uses for connecting to their infrastructure.

[umbral cliff]

lol

I'm just used to how all the ISPs do it here where its standard DHCP leases, just connect to an NTD and job done

[glacial knot]

mainly hate it because it's encapsulating, so I'm giving up a couple bytes of MTU 🙁

If that thing has any credentials (or gets sent personalized after the contract is made) there's a good chance that just encapsulates your PPP for you

I wish I could just get DHCP out of the wall 🙁

[umbral cliff]

Its MAC address authorised for the network iirc

[glacial knot]

that'd be hilariously insecure

[umbral cliff]

NTD is not user set, they're fixed to the wall, just plug into the ethernet port and get dhcp out

You still need an internet plan for it to be active to do anything

[glacial knot]

anyways, time to reboot the router and see if it all works

[static schooner]

<and we never saw him again>

[glacial knot]

almost. For somer reason /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/forwarding was 0 after the reboot

anyways. things work

[steel pumice]

hmmm gonna tell my dad about this

2 bucks more is nothing for a dynamic address

maybe tell the ISP it's for ip camera purposes which probably makes it free muheheheheh

[high remnant]

imagine having ipv6

[steel pumice]

why imagine when you already have it

[high remnant]

i have not

[umbral cliff]

Can't swap to an ISP with support?

[high remnant]

NOp

[umbral cliff]

That sucks

[high remnant]

it is what it is

[umbral cliff]

I like my /48 of IPv6

[high remnant]

I am the fella on 5G LTE :D

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-finger-gun-pointing-mike-wazowski-monsters-inc-gif-15106392

[umbral cliff]

ew

😛

Though 5G doesn't mean no 5G, but does mean no public accessible 5G

[high remnant]

I mean the alternative is DSL

[high remnant]

iits fine I didnt feel like portforwarding anyway

[umbral cliff]

Yeah that sucks

[high remnant]

I have decided to move anyway

if my bid gets accepted (it wont)

[high remnant]

I should've moved to qld when I had the chance!

Dayum did the Raspberry Pi 2 that discord is running for the embeds just die?

half of the embeds are failing

I can see that the image is being hit in the logs but it just isn't being loaded lol

[arctic quarry]

small indie startup

[high remnant]

apparently so

[arctic quarry]

what's that snarky message when you're on your own in a call

"bandwidth doesn't grow on trees! wumpus sad!"

🤮

we need an EU moratorium on overly peppy and quirky corporate copywriting

[high remnant]

I mean if I were to write that message i'd be something along the lines of "lol no friends"

[arctic quarry]

haha

I'd take it

[high remnant]

we already have

[arctic quarry]

yasss

[dreamy pelican]

Does anyone have the wican obd2 from meatpi? im curious if you can cleat codes from inside home assistant with it

[runic cape]

Quick question please don't yell at me, this is not Home Assistant itself, but when Tado talks about an open window is there a way to find out which sensor triggered it? other than by like... taking it up on its offer to turn off the heat and seeing which heat it turned off

[last cedar]

I have absolutely had it with this lawnmower integration, can anyone help me? Got 2 main questions.

|| Where do I connect the thread to (on both the lawnmower and into the house) and how do you stop the thread getting caught in the trees in the garden? ||

[umbral cliff]

You attach the thread to the racoons

[last cedar]

But there are no raccoons in Sweden

This is what I have been saying

And they would probably bite the thread

[umbral cliff]

I guess you can’t do thread based lawnmowers /s

[last cedar]

Bluetooth doesn't work either

I can't get the bees to help

It doesn't have arms so it can't wave

I might have to abandon it

On a semi serious note it would be cool to make it into a big RC car so I could plow with it

Without freezing my tits off

[iron granite]

Smoke signals always work. Use Tuya.

[umbral cliff]

Gotta get thread powered tit warmers

[high remnant]

i could use those RN.. i am on mi motorcycle

[alpine drum]

Ever since I got an ikea air monitor, I'm obsessed with the co2 readings

It bumps up so quickly when I go to bed and its so hard to get it down without opening a window

[steel pumice]

we're gonna have another ac tomorrow yipeee

[minor bobcat]

Why not dc?

[dusty mica]

https://giphy.com/gifs/acdc-angus-young-hells-bells-hrZosGwvVg7jq

[static schooner]

The drone view in downhill skiing feels like a video game

[minor bobcat]

Would love a POV or 3rd person shot for Bobsled or Skeleton

[warm helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pingu-fwPKCG6XNY8bRO6JgM

[golden wing]

I think I figured out peak physical switch "ergonomics" in a house with motion activated lighting

Up and down is off and on as expected, with no consideration to the motion automation. If you hit on and then stand still the light will turn off eventually

If you double click on or off, the motion automation will be disabled entirely and the switch is in "dumb switch" mode indicated by the LED turning off

And bonus points for 3 clicks on up immediately turning to full brightness

Can always tell if the motion automation in a room is enabled or disabled and can always physically override the automation in what I feel is an intuitive way

Oh and hit the weird previously useless button to turn motion back on

[agile jewel]

I know it's not much... But it's honest work

Mushroom template cards and "custom features" are life saver hacs integrations.

[minor bobcat]

Good boy had a good time in the forest lol

[last cedar]

Maybe mask your IP!

I do like the look though! very nice and clean

[violet pond]

Just a dumb question. How would y'all recommend I install HA on TrueNAS? I see a lot of people recommending HAOS but that seemingly has issues with some Zigbee controllers.

[last cedar]

Better answered in #1284966540617449515 I think!

I think I will try running HAOS as a VM under proxmox, might be worth exploring that in TN Scale?

[static schooner]

Hacking commenced

No raccoons found. Abort! Abort!

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/-5o_Qu3XToQ?si=ynarKPZFu6irHpfv

[static schooner]

Good ol' clickbait

[forest edge]

?

same people who do all those burn in tests on tvs

[static schooner]

The headline, the picture

[minor bobcat]

It's the definition of clickbait. A probably reputable Media-Outlet with a broad question. Made me click to find out what they are missing ngl.

[forest edge]

some crazy routers in that list

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/spoilers-no-spoilers-jake-peralta-andy-samberg-b99-gif-14029471

[warm helm]

Low orbit ionic cannon time

[static schooner]

You won't believe #4!

[forest edge]

i like how they came out and just said, skip the 7 and go back to 6 lol

the site is nice for comparing tv's

they even listed the android version which I used when picking out my hisense

thats not something you can find on the damn box or anything

[hoary canyon]

Is it AFC?

[static schooner]

We'll never know!

[hoary canyon]

Add a background and the nav bar card, makes a huge difference 🙂

[steel pumice]

just look at these masterpiece

[steel pumice]

rich
alarm system

[minor bobcat]

You could work for the DOJ

[red rock]

[warm helm]

they do

[minor bobcat]

That's where you stole them black pixels

[steel pumice]

what's next, hone asinstint cununity sorfe?

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze you have anything to do with the spaceballs 2 movie?

[tidal bronze]

Nah man. Antigravity agents got me all hooked.

[amber bramble]

🤣 Xfinity just had a Jurassic Park superbowl commercial where the fences failed until a guy plugged in an xfinity router... and I'm over here wondering who in their right mind buys cloud-based fences for their dinosaur zoo.

[static schooner]

More likely situation - Seems like the internet went down, maybe try rebooting the router?

This is a very boring game

It doesn't seem like either team is capable of completing a pass

[amber bramble]

at this point i hope it ends without a single touchdown

[static schooner]

Give that guy the ball and let him run into a pack of other guys

That would be the most exciting thing that could happen

They already tied the most field goals apparently

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-homer-simpson-simpsons-worst-day-of-your-life-so-far-bart-gif-11689059539835963602

[amber bramble]

well so much for that

[weak musk]

The Alexa+ commercial is a train wreck

[static schooner]

I concur with the commentary

Lots of talk about defense, but they're just missing everything

These passes are painful to watch

[agile jewel]

It's cgnat

[agile jewel]

HAOS with sonoff ZigBee USB

[agile jewel]

Oh. A navbar card? First time I'm hearing about such thing

[hoary canyon]

https://github.com/joseluis9595/lovelace-navbar-card

[agile jewel]

That's really cool. The hardest part imho is finding the right custom integrations/cards. Once you know they exist, it's super easy to set up. If you don't know they exist, you will be trying endlessly without success.

For example button card seems way too complicated when one can just use the template card along with custom features.

[gusty belfry]

My old spaghetti wiring LED setup kept falling out of the EPS32 connectors so I went overkill on a new one.

[agile jewel]

What does it do? 😮

Also, what soldering iron are you using?

[static schooner]

lol:

[gritty glade]

I absolutely despise Node Red and am finding it infuriating to learn. In your opinion, is it worth it? I had quite a few automations setup through HA's automations menu but felt like the consensus is that Node Red is almost necessary for long term automation.

[dawn badge]

What gave you that feeling?

[gritty glade]

I am not in HA all day every day, I don't have lots of experience with different languages and verbiage, and I honestly don't have a huge desire to spend a ton of time learning it because home automation is a relatively minor hobby of mine. This has not been an issue at all for me with any other part of HA, and I've managed to get a pretty intricate network going. Node Red does not feel like it was made for people like me in mind.

[static schooner]

This would be a good conversation to have in #1284980040940912641

Most people don't use NodeRed, so...don't

[gritty glade]

Really? Huh. That was not my impression from my minor lurking in the different communities, so that is reassuring to hear.

I always assumed I was one of the few people that didn't.

[static schooner]

It's unnecessary and most don't use it

[surreal pilot]

I started automating with Node-RED many years ago, before there was an Automation Editor UI. I had come up with some pretty useful stuff. Had to learn a little bit of JavaScript and write my own functions to get flows to do exactly what I want. Nowadays, almost all of my automations are in HA. I only have one that I still rely on and that's just because I can't figure out how to get it to work in HA (particulary the events:states node "When a light is turned on.)

[young sigil]

Most of reddit has drunk the NR Kool-Aid. Most other forums are way less fanatical about it. There's very little it can do that native Home Assistant automations cant.

[gritty glade]

@surreal pilot & @young sigil these are both great things to hear, thank you for the input. I always assumed that if I kept automating within HA I would eventually find myself pretty kneecapped.

[dawn badge]

there are some loud people that love it and wont accept otherwise.
I get people that still use it because they have used it for a long time before the automation editor.
I don't use it personally.

[young sigil]

One thing it can do that HA cant is polygon geofencing. HA still only has circles.

[gritty glade]

Rereading your first message, I realize you were asking about my consensus comment and not why I don't like NR. My bad haha.

[dawn badge]

the core automation engine is getting a lot of love at the moment too.

[gritty glade]

I love it. I've found it to be the exact amount of guiding for noob-ish dumdums like me while still complex enough to be useful. Whereas with NR I kept trying to just play around with it but would just get indecipherable (to me) errors with no info on how to fix it or how to learn.

[dawn badge]

you "could" probably template something if you were so inclined I guess?

[dawn badge]

I would just drop NR entirely. unless you specifically needed it for something which it doesn't appear is true here..

[atomic delta]

So you set up a circle, then a bunch of exclusion circles...

[surreal pilot]

There is a steep learning curve with NR. For me, it was easier to visualize the automation rather than trying to write it all out in YAML. Being able to see the flow as it worked made it easier to troubleshoot and tweak. Being able to connect a debug node anywhere and see the message(s) being passed helped. But, like other have mentioned, core HA automation does just about everything. I have pages of NR automations that are disabled and have been for years.

[young sigil]

I am not so inclined 😁

Circles are fine.

[dawn badge]

I imagine that is the case with most people 😛

[tawdry stirrup]

Huh, annyoing. Connected zigbee door sensor to zigbee router.. taped door sensor to door and now it is not online anymore 😄 and it's fixed there with a tape.

[open linden]

Anyone have an indication as to how long this usually takes? Been stuck there for the better part of 10 minutes.

It's one of those, do I let it run for another 30 and hope it finishes, or do we risk a reboot.

[minor bobcat]

Do you NEED to reboot it now? Why not just wait?

[open linden]

Rofl, right as I posted that, it finished 😂

Just took so long compared to other stuff, I expected it to be stuck.

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-10940865116650073754

[open linden]

It's a fairly beefy server and it was using like 0% CPU.

[umbral cliff]

Could’ve been downloading instead

Or just booting
They are just docker containers

[open linden]

Yeah just thought it took a bit long. Got 1gbit networking and a pretty fast server. No component ever took the 15+ minutes that it took before. I should be patient, but I was doing a full HASS upgrade and didn't want to wait an hour for nothing 😄

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze reading the superbowl halftime show was the worst ever. how does that make you feel?

[tidal bronze]

Didn't check it out yet. Soon

[forest edge]

I thought you had tickets to go and see it?

didn't you say you had like a box seats or something

[tidal bronze]

Hmmm no. Not that interested in sports 🤣

[forest edge]

you are the only person who ever even mentioned the name bad bunny

[tidal bronze]

Oh it was just interesting 🤣

[forest edge]

I watched like the first 3 minutes of that halftime and that dude was like having a stroke in the mic I think

so i turned it off

lol the "Make Superbowl Great Again" merchandise is already cropping up

[peak slate]

Isn't that just from the pearl clutchers who don't like Spanish and think bad Bunny isn't an American

Besides, they had green day there, that would make the show worth it by themselves

[forest edge]

we're talking about football.. this isn't soccer lol

like nascar.. you gotta think about the crowd when thinking of what goes and what dosen't

[warm helm]

No

[warm helm]

Look who is talking about it ...

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-gif-23766946

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goodness-carson-kressley-rupaul’s-drag-race-all-stars-s8e2-oh-my-gif-6254561901934724287

[warm helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/snl-saturday-night-live-season-49-5rz4sFXqTT98Z342g9

[arctic quarry]

that'll end well, I'm sure

[winter osprey]

When do the bets on how many devices will be in the device database by the April State Of The Open Home?

[forest edge]

what do you mean?

[arctic quarry]

it's not the impetus of every social institution to cater to the lowest common denominator, right

[forest edge]

you cater to what brings you money

thats why I brought up nascar

if an event decides to do something the majority of your fans dislike.. then the outcome is quite obvious lol

[arctic quarry]

by that logic, nobody would watch sports ever. there's always a fresh "controversy" that has "fans in an uproar" and yet sports is doing exceptionally well

btw, F1 is doing better than ever, and you see very little of that kind of pandering

I think people have too high an opinion of the worth of their opinions

[forest edge]

don't compare an american sport to any other country.. that never meshes lol

[arctic quarry]

why?

[forest edge]

never has, don't think it ever will

[arctic quarry]

it's just people

[forest edge]

so are chess players

[arctic quarry]

ok now I've lost you

[forest edge]

don't see many in here getting all excited about those tournements

point is every activity has it's own circle

[arctic quarry]

of course

[dusty mica]

https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1468717712858681366

[forest edge]

just like i said, it's football not soccer

american football fans are kind of unique.. like nascar

[arctic quarry]

right, but I"m not sure I'm following the chain of reasoning here. sports is sports, sports-watching people are just people

like, isn't there at least two "outrage-worthy" news pieces every Superb Owl? and yet, it continues

[forest edge]

well yea.. thats why a lot of stuff about this years football has people saying they just changed the channel when half time started

[arctic quarry]

well, they say that

[forest edge]

but if the halftime dosen't retain viewers..

[arctic quarry]

again, I think the outrage brigade think they speak for the majority. I'd call [citation needed] on that.

presumably, the network(s) know what's up

[forest edge]

in this case i'm inclined the outrage is the majority

we shall see

[minor bobcat]

150+ million watched it, most ever

[arctic quarry]

only 150 million? it's over

less than half the country

pitiful

😶

seriously though, I always wonder by what metric we can determine whether outrage is ever real

like, where do you go for trustworthy numbers?

[warm helm]

back away slowly. There is nothing to be gained by involving yourself with them

[arctic quarry]

sure as fuck not social media, your friend circle, news reporting

errybody just wants clicks

[forest edge]

where did you pluck that number from? everything i've seen states they don't have difinitive numbers yet

[arctic quarry]

NUMBERS, MASON

[minor bobcat]

CBS says 135 million

[forest edge]

I will say it is a new generation

[minor bobcat]

Saw somewhere else 150

[forest edge]

so who knows

[minor bobcat]

Still nothing compared to actual football

[forest edge]

don't think soccer in the US has as big of following

that could be changing too.. no idea

[minor bobcat]

But the superbowl isn't viewed only in the US

[forest edge]

eh true but really who watches our football outside the US?

for many years everyone else hears "footballs" and assumes a round ball

[dusty mica]

you play football???

https://giphy.com/gifs/huh-ice-cube-deadpan-xTiTnIilwuFFFpf2Cc

[forest edge]

heh just saw there was an alternative show put on that had kid rock in it

[peak slate]

And I hear kid rocks show was as terrible as he is

[forest edge]

it exploded

i wouldn't say that would be terrible

[peak slate]

His concert festival already had to drop a show and has headliners leaving it all over the place

[forest edge]

it was more than just him

I didn't know about it till just now

[peak slate]

Yeah, he got other dirt bags to go with him, it's great they created a list of bands to not support

[forest edge]

what is with this hate?

lol

[peak slate]

Lol, kid rock has given me plenty of reasons to hate

[forest edge]

not any diffrent than any other

[peak slate]

Sounds like you have low standards then

[forest edge]

just not as prejudice

every era has had thier bands

[dusty mica]

@lone dagger https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1346949494440464404 and https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1346944149303066711

[forest edge]

look at micheal jackson.. went from super stardom then hated for the whole kid thing and yet now he is making a comeback?

they always judge by the art, not by the person

and sorry to say but kid rock has released some catchy songs

[peak slate]

I mean it came out that Michael Jackson was innocent of all that

[forest edge]

oh so time heals all wounds?

maybe you should give kid rock a break and some time then lol

[peak slate]

Nahhhh he doesn't deserve it

Or sarcastically, since MJ is coming back, I'll give him a break after he's dead

[forest edge]

well it's ok if an artist isn't your piece of cake. your allowed

[arctic quarry]

as a musican, I take personal offense to the existence of Kid Rock

[lone dagger]

Those are developer sections - I don't need to adjust those just yet.

[forest edge]

i not even ever heard of this bad bunny till QF mentioned him, and even after that not heard of him since.. sure I turned it off after 3 minutes when I thought he was stroking out on the mic but who knows.. maybe his music isn't so bad

how is the transition to anti-add-ons going?

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-boom-explode-gif-17383346

[last cedar]

Does this mean it doesn't#matter ?

[tired current]

I'm looking one of those Shelly relays you put behind an outlet to monitor the poweron the line and make it a smart outlet. But I have 20amp outlets, all the ones I see are 16a or less. Anyone know if they make one for 20a outlets?

[forest edge]

I wouldn't sweat it. unless you know for a fact you are tapping out that 20amps you are likely nowhere near it for normal stuff resdential people plug into outlets

[tired current]

I'll have a combination of power tools and 3d printers on the breaker

[forest edge]

my house is 12guage on 20 amp breakers with 20 amp rated outlets and I run shellies just fine

[tired current]

Ok

[forest edge]

the 3d printer will be fine.. the power tools will depend on what they are. do some maths

[tired current]

Im also considering just getting g one of the kits to plug into all my panel breakers. To monitor the while house

[forest edge]

shelly does make a 25 amp relay but to buy all of those would be costly

[tired current]

Yea. I only was going to put the Shelly in the first outlet in the line for monitoring everything on the breaker. I care more about the monitoring than the smart feature for this case

[static schooner]

I really wish there were breakers that provided power monitoring. That would be cool

[tired current]

Oh yea

[static schooner]

I have iotawatt system sitting in a box because I just don't have room in the box for all the clamps

[forest edge]

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Shelly-Pro-2PM-25A-Wi-Fi-LAN-and-Bluetooth-2-Channel-Smart-Relay-With-Power-Metering-Home-Automation-Shelly-Pro-2PM-1/327570092

you could do something like that

[tired current]

When I looked under the panel cover when I had my last breaker replaced, it looked like it had room. This panel was added maybe 6 years ago when we got solar

[solar zealot]

thats a relay not a breaker

:P

[dawn badge]

I am not sure I agree. cool...yes, useful...yes, mixing safety with smart...unsure...

[static schooner]

I'm tempted to open the inside wall around the box and clamp onto the incoming wires instead

[dawn badge]

that is not a safety device.

[forest edge]

no shit, you feed it after the breaker

its an inbox relay

[solar zealot]

i hope you dont feed it anything, its supposed to not eat stuff

[tired current]

Yea, but then this is what maybe 1/3 ish of the price of the ones that go in the panel to monitor everything. Lol. At that point I'd just consider the panel monitors

[solar zealot]

typical americans and their food habits...

:P

[forest edge]

if all you care about is monitoring with no relay then yea.. plenty of clamp options out there for the panel

[tired current]

Can i supersize that?

[tired current]

I agree. Our habits are horrible

[solar zealot]

there is a 16 clamp one that can be reflashed to esphome

if id not want to spend the bucks on shelly, id get that

[dawn badge]

the shelly 3em-63t / 3em-63w are pretty space efficient. they are basically 3 ct clamps in one and sit right up against breakers. (maybe not US)

[vivid wraith]

Why does Philips make it so hard to tell which bulbs are thread enabled

[solar zealot]

but its a bit of a tiny hands work

[tired current]

Any recommendations for a panel monitor that works well with home assistant?

[forest edge]

now that question is going to get you yeeted to another dimension on this server

[tired current]

Links? I have a handful if esp home stuff

[solar zealot]

the 3em with the 50a one also is alright but the larger ones get sketchy to install

[forest edge]

wut? @weak musk wasn't on standby?

https://tenor.com/view/reactions-gif-12900002073893207744

[solar zealot]

https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/products/emporia-vue-3-3-phase-energy-monitor?variant=46092435521791

[dawn badge]

i am talking about this type.

[solar zealot]

the flashing part is a bit more involved

[tired current]

Oh? I'm not interested often. What's the issue? Because electrical work?

[solar zealot]

yea i know that one

[dawn badge]

i am semi temped to add some of these to my setup but I don't think its worth it currently. as potential for moving in the next 1-1.5 years is quite high so I am limiting most stuff to things thats easy to remove.

[vivid wraith]

I should put my Apple TV 4K in a faraday cage so its thread network isn’t broadcasting any interference

[solar zealot]

i found that i never have enough space for those things
i ended up with teo 3em pros, one for the entire thing and then the second one split between washer, dryer and oven

everything else can be safely on plugs

[tired current]

Ooh yea. This is one of the 2 main options i saw when first looking into it.

[dawn badge]

I have 2 gen 1 ems in there with clamps on 4 circuits currently.

[solar zealot]

yea it kinda needs that flashing with the tiny probes

check out yt and see if youd be comfortable doing that

[tired current]

I'm ok with soldering small leads most of the time.

[solar zealot]

then this shouldnt be too big of an issue

[tired current]

K.

[last cedar]

lots of times soldering isn't the preferred thing either

[tired current]

Thanks. Ill look into using this for my panel. I have an electrician friend that should be able to give me input too

[tired current]

True

[last cedar]

all the cool kids use ferrules and crimps

[tired current]

Wago all the things

[forest edge]

I wonder how hard the ferrule makers had to push that one

[last cedar]

big ferrule is taking over

[dawn badge]

Ferrules are definitely great for stranded wires.

[forest edge]

but not needed as many like to say

[dawn badge]

yeah that is probably fair, it is situational in a bunch of cases, but getting in the habbit of using them means that when you "should" be using them then you do it by default.

[last cedar]

Confession time: I have never used a ferrule

but I don't use stranded cable too often, to be fair

[dawn badge]

I have only recently starting using them by default tbh and its definetly been an improvement in some situatiosn.

[last cedar]

I am somewhat of a noodle soup expert though, but most often with solid core cable

[forest edge]

i've only really ever seen them used on commercial applications for bigger gauge wire that is stranded

[stuck mortar]

Extra spicy noodle soup

[forest edge]

ugh i may need to buy a new psu for my dell server

[last cedar]

This sort of noodle soup@stuck mortar

[forest edge]

why you showing us typical euro wiring?

[last cedar]

That is what my colleagues thought an alarm system should look like

[stuck mortar]

Just need to add broth for the spiciness to show up. Bonus points for the magic smoky notes

[forest edge]

I thought they were intentionally mashed together so that the eletrical field generated outside each wire helped the other wires around it

[last cedar]

No, the magnetic field was to suck in any bad guys when you arm the alarm

[stuck mortar]

Low voltage sounds like mild to medium spicy tbh

[dawn badge]

only for people with no pride in their work.

[minor bobcat]

He doesn't get paid by the hour lol

[tired current]

How to spell "anxiety" with no words

[forest edge]

looks like the followed the diagram correctly

[static schooner]

At least they're not all the same color

[urban viper]

If you don't keep an eye out on the Events channel here, we've created a first-of-its-kind event - a regional digital meetup!

This one is a monthly meeting for Danish community members to hang out and chat the Thursday after release day. Not in Denmark or don't speak Danish? Don't worry! The host of the event says all are welcome (though you may not understand what's being said at first 😅).

Want to do something similar for your region or country? Post in #1469048177960419329 so you can chat more with Missy about getting your own setup.

[lone dagger]

A new one has been added!

[stuck mortar]

How long until the new icon can get pushed to repos?

[dusty mica]

only 748.389 to go

woopwoop

ah the emoji's lol

[last cedar]

I think the community needs to know... how is the progress on the nightmare furby coming along? 😄

[lone dagger]

Stalled still, but we know how to move it along. Just...haven't.

Moving countries has taken precedence.

[scenic radish]

nonsense

talk about having priorities backward

[solar zealot]

good. good.

[lone dagger]

No no, it's entirely too much sense and it's caused me a small amount of stress today no worries everything is fine it's all good

[static schooner]

Have you looked into what vaccinations are required to bring it into Scotland?

[solar zealot]

we have already enough horrors beyond our comprehension in this world (why there is no breakfast past 10 in hotels)

[static schooner]

might need a quarantine period

[solar zealot]

we dont need to worry about long furbies aswell

[last cedar]

OMG I had no idea, hope that it is going/ has gone ok

[lone dagger]

lol the Furby is a gift to someone staying here in the US.

[last cedar]

speaking of horrors....

[static schooner]

They'll never forget (or is it forgive?) you

[solar zealot]

forgive and forget

[solar zealot]

thats the ai variant of this art

[forest edge]

is the once a month thing for the danish due to jealousy of the dutch meetups?

https://tenor.com/view/gold-member-bailando-gold-member-kawai-dance-gif-15438431

[last cedar]

It has more to do with how much friendly rivalry they have with the swedish

[forest edge]

I would say us american's need meetups but then we are in this channel every day lol

[ocean oar]

Great new is they sell prints: https://kyliwalls.threadless.com/designs/giant-fire-breathing-raccoon/home/fine-art-print

[solar zealot]

wait till they hear about right click save

[last cedar]

I would love to go to a home assistant meetup btw

HINT HINT

[lone dagger]

It's....uh, well news we got today complicates things a little... 😅

[forest edge]

start one with your deer friends outside

[lone dagger]

Oh no, she definitely wants this.

Her husband on the other hand....he may never forgive me. 😂

[lone dagger]

Aren't you in the UK?

[last cedar]

I am British, but live in Sweden

just to make my life easy /s

[forest edge]

those poor poor people

[last cedar]

Luckily they don't know yet, I haven't told them

I don't think they would put up with me

[high remnant]

bri'ish

[solar zealot]

ya cant raccoon here

[last cedar]

So happy I swapped the rain for -15C

/s

[agile jewel]

Hey anyone with smart Rubik's cubes here? I'll be making an integration for all smart cubes and would need some testers. I only own giiker i3s

[iron granite]

Does it cool water?

[lone dagger]

Welp, just sounds like you need to create your own meetup.

If you build it, they will come.

Also, would be cool to have more women hosting things.

[agile jewel]

It makes water turn into ICE cubes

[forest edge]

"If you build it, they will come." aka deer feeder

[static schooner]

Ever wonder why they don't make raccoon feeders?

[arctic quarry]

every feeder is a raccoon feeder 💪

[warm helm]

They are called trash cans

[ocean oar]

Here, the problem is usually with bird feeders. Not the issues you have of deer/squirrels/raccoons, but that a bird feeder designed for 30 gram birds really don't stand up to 600 gram parrots, when they decide that the feeder is for them

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-to-my-face-try-me-come-at-me-what-was-that-say-something-else-gif-14273555

Sorry, we measure birds in fractions of an ostrich

[ocean oar]

They are cute though

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/birb-birb-review-bird-gif-21534601

[elder tide]

Anyone have any favorite 'showcase' blogs online that they like to get inspo from or see cool projects people are doing with ha?

YT channels are also welcome

[midnight adder]

Hello Discord is going to start requiring face id for accounts. Is there a different forum for following along?

[forest edge]

you can peek through #1284960456880029707

[forest edge]

what do you mean? you can always use https://community.home-assistant.io/

teen-by-default.. wtf lol

[dawn badge]

There is the Community Forum. Although as I understand it its not a "hard requirement" but your account may have limits without it. Missy is aware of concerns about this situation.

[forest edge]

if my account is 11 years old wouldn't I auto be considered above the age of 13? lol

[dawn badge]

If they put limits on my account without it then I will just be seeing it as the removal of features. I am not engaging with it.

[forest edge]

https://discord.com/press-releases/discord-launches-teen-by-default-settings-globally

go into effect for all account automaticaly

honestly it is about due for people to start jumping ship. these platforms never really last forever

just when @lone dagger put all this hard work into this server it's time for us all to bail

curious what the form submission alternative to face id is going to be like

[midnight adder]

Thank you all for all the hard word. I will be in the forums!

[minor bobcat]

Eh don't really care about the features that get blocked

[forest edge]

memes will be blurred

unless it's an image of big bird you won't see an image or video lol

every curse word will be changed to "gosh darnit"

must be some really dark servers on discord for it to get to this point

[iron granite]

gosh darnit gosh darnit gosh darnit gosh darnit gosh darnit gosh darnit gosh darnit gosh darnit gosh darnit.

[forest edge]

I must not be using the discover server feature good enough

[drowsy flame]

some bullshit. who wants to host a teamspeak 6 server?

[iron granite]

Nobody.

[drowsy flame]

dont give discord your id

[gusty belfry]

https://stoat.chat/about

At least there are established alternatives/

[iron granite]

For validation no ID is needed. Your webcam footage can be used to identify as adult.

[gusty belfry]

I'll pay a hobo 5 bucks to validate me

[minor bobcat]

There are...

[gusty belfry]

They don't care about the messed up servers, they care that several states are suing them directly before IPO.

This face ID BS is all reactionary

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/17/discord-sued-by-new-jersey-over-child-safety-features.html

[minor bobcat]

Inb4 they got sued by EU because they broke privacy laws

[lone dagger]

I have about 5 other platforms slated to be investigated as a replacement. This decision by Discord has accelerated those plans.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-slow-on-my-way-cute-monsters-inc-gif-17521429

[gusty belfry]

Eager to hear the results, several of us who run other communities would likely follow

[steel pumice]

hmmmm

[ocean oar]

This is shaping up to be a massive self-own by Discord

[forest edge]

there are 5 other platforms that offer real time chat at this scale?

[gusty belfry]

A small group makes it hard for the lawyers, then they punish the rest of us.

[lone dagger]

Haha I have a couple other servers looking to see what I do, too. We have a very large server (but data actually indicates a relatively low regular activity).

[lone dagger]

.....yes and no.

All 5? No.

3? Probably for sure.

[forest edge]

should just implement a live chat system into the community forums in all honesty

[lone dagger]

It is implemented.

[iron granite]

There is one.

[forest edge]

there is?

i never seen it

[lone dagger]

They are only private chats.

It's nothing open like this.

[forest edge]

ok non only private chats lol

hell my sc2 php3 board has a live chat all local driven

so more up to date options have to be far better

if only i wasn't too old. i'd be on top of all of this

anyone using the UGREEN NASync DXP4800 Plus?

600 bucks for a 4 bay nas seems rather steep but i may have to go this direction

[dawn badge]

just build something instead.

[forest edge]

I have my dell still chugging along but really dislike swapping the drives

not that I have to do it often but still

like to offload plex and the nas part to something with hotswappable drives and leave the dell to just run frigate

[minor bobcat]

Coworker had a ugreen and hated it until I installed Openmediavault for him. Now it's just another computer with spinning rust

[forest edge]

yea but least you can do it with this

I singled this one out cause of price to performance was more in line.. as much can be with the inflated pricing

[minor bobcat]

If you like the formfactor and got the money, just go for it. It's definitely the least headache you can buy in that space imo

[forest edge]

thing was only 400 bucks when it hit kickstarter but that was over a year ago

[ocean oar]

If you like that shoebox form factor, I think this one would probably be my choice:
https://store.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-n5-air-ai-nas
Though if you want it for Plex, transcoding on AMD is a bit naff compared to Intel QSV which JustWorks™

[minor bobcat]

QSV is so good

Makes a N100 look like a real CPU lol

[ocean oar]

Given how little power it consumes, I really wish Intel would put just the QSV engine onto an M.2 card so you could put one into any machine

[forest edge]

that thing is 500 and comes with no memory

oh sorry it has onboard 16MB cache lol

[ocean oar]

Yeah I know, but $600 with 8GB vs $500 empty (and 2x8GB is $150 on Amazon) isn't a world apart

And it has 5x 3.5" + 3x M.2 vs 4x 3.5" + 2x M.2 on the Ugreen

[forest edge]

really wish my dell esata supported port multiplying. would make this a much cheaper adventure lol

[forest edge]

that one is not the 500 model, that is 629 without memory

[ocean oar]

You don't get the on-sale price?

[forest edge]

holy crap the model numbers are confusing

https://www.amazon.com/MINISFORUM-Desktop-Barebone-Attached-Diskless/dp/B0G4PQX4GW

https://www.amazon.com/MINISFORUM-5-Bay-Desktop-Storage-OCuLink/dp/B0GHQR2Z31

oh i see the diffrence

was like wtf

[forest edge]

I forgot to delete all the frigate videos off this failing drive before rsyncing it to a diffrent drive. hating life atm

[vivid wraith]

All the smart bulbs use pwm??

[grizzled gull]

eh?

[vivid wraith]

I wonder how well clear connect x can coexist with thread

[forest edge]

creative

https://youtube.com/shorts/hktROveKuLI?si=DoFISiUOTtzF7VdP

if i was a teenager with a 3d printer I so would have made that lol

[dawn badge]

Forget teenager. If I could find a UK version...

[forest edge]

lol

[dawn badge]

Change all the switches to these when I am in the house on my own and then await the chaos when people return.

[vivid wraith]

choosing a smart bulb ecosystem is too much pressure

I can’t handle it

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[forest edge]

not hard, wifi, zigbee, bt, zwave

4 choices

[grizzled gull]

Personally I like zigbee, but each has thier advantages and disadvantages

[static schooner]

Dumb bulbs, smart switches

[grizzled gull]

Depends if you like colors

[static schooner]

color is overrated

[grizzled gull]

My kitchen is all smart switches

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-colors-colours-gif-12622023

[static schooner]

I can also accept the "smart bulbs + smart switches" answer

switches are key, though

[forest edge]

that is so stupid but yet has it's uses

smart bulb on a smart switch on a smart breaker

[ocean oar]

I have a smart bulb in my rangehood. I had a spare, and it takes full-size B22 bulbs, so why not have green light while cooking?

[vivid wraith]

i can just go insane and install ketra lights

[stuck mortar]

Chaotic answer: zwave switch with zigbee bulb

[vivid wraith]

that might interfere with thread though im not sure

i think ketra lights work out to like $300/bulb though

[stuck mortar]

Does the smart relay get installed at the smart switch or the smart bulb?

[dawn badge]

Totally depends on your wiring.

[stuck mortar]

WiFi breaker connected to z-wave switch in front of zigbee relay controlling a thread bulb. I like it

[gusty belfry]

Bah. there are many device choices for voice assist endpoint software and none of them tickle my fancy.

[forest edge]

at the switch, if you are talking about a relay like a shelly you would utilize the switch inputs

I have a shelly 2pm connected to a double switch where one feeds my porch lights and the other the outdoor plug i use for holiday lights

both have a dumb switch so I can control them via that

works good for holidays like Halloween when I turn off my porch lights at diffrent times depending on kid foot traffic

[dawn badge]

not always though. sometimes the switches only have a loop to them and the main circuit is at the light.

[forest edge]

true

hate to have that house wiring tbh

[dawn badge]

yeah, it depends on the age of your wiring in most cases.

[stuck mortar]

Or how “handy” the previous owners were

[gusty belfry]

I am that house wiring. I am also the house wiring that has the bathroom and kitchen connected, no GFCI, and on a split neutral with the bedroom outlets.

Hair dryer and microwave at the same time will blow up the house.

[forest edge]

yea that kind of wiring was pretty typical for homes built in the early 70's and earlier

a single breaker would have like odd rooms all tied together

[dawn badge]

Every part of that explanation is terrifying...

[forest edge]

in those days in the US breaker boxes were typically only 100amp or less with like only a dozen breaker slots so electricians had to balance things

[sonic barn]

Is there a place on this server where you can casually ask questions without it being something so formal as to be a thread on it's own?

[stuck mortar]

Is it a question about raccoons?

[sonic barn]

I wish, but sadly no.

I do have a special clip on my compost bin so racoons don't open it though.

[stuck mortar]

The Europeans are asleep so maybe you can be super sneaky and pretend it’s a question about raccoons. They’ll never know

[sonic barn]

Nah, I'll respect their latent wishes

[vivid wraith]

Wait

If I get something that can send generic captured RF commands

I can control my toilet with home assistant

https://tenor.com/view/x3-gif-24301743

[scenic radish]

shit2mqtt

[vivid wraith]

Siri flush the toilet

[ocean oar]

"mqtp" was right there

[stuck mortar]

“Siri flush Alexa”

[gusty belfry]

piper needs to stop being a brat

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/holly-marie-combs-gif-8635718635893550636

[warm helm]

no no no no

[warm helm]

Yes

[gusty belfry]

Me trying to get piper to accept a new voice model:

[stuck mortar]

Ugh to automate this stupid light with the stupid no neutral loop I either get to spend 100 on a switch and relay, or dig out the presumed location of the hidden junction and still need to spend almost that much on parts

[merry bronze]

What will it take to move this community to matrix?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/ethplode-matrix-matrix-ethplode-bomb-ethplo-gif-14837927

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-morpheus-red-pill-blue-pill-truth-gif-15865648232657580077

[gusty belfry]

Wow the piper docs are really... not great.

"just stick an onnx file here and everything will work. end of readme.md"

[gusty belfry]

Inb4 my girlfriend smashes my server

[glacial knot]

do you collect CPU boxes?

[gusty belfry]

From RMAs yes

[glacial knot]

ouch

[last cedar]

HA meetup in Sweden first guests invited, they didn't answer but they did poo on the ground

[dusty mica]

drop it like it's hot

[onyx forum]

When using Matter over Thread for devices like smart locks (e.g. Nuki), what's usually the range for that? For example, if there is 5-10 meters and a wall between ZBT-2 and the lock, will it be fine?

[dawn badge]

"Probably" but you should post in #1284966617670881350 if you want to discuss further.

[arctic quarry]

normal meetup behavior

it establishes dominance

[acoustic tapir]

Is there a way to get the summaries card on the autogenerated dashboard to other dashboards?

[iron granite]

#1284965988642590891 might know

[steel pumice]

just no man

[dusty mica]

wife then?

[raw ginkgo]

does anyone have a good blinds brand that works with HA?

[timber stirrup]

Wyze services still suck, but at least they added rtsp features to their cameras so you can offload to frigate!! Just updated and about to add them.

[forest edge]

look into thingino but only if you don't care about using the wyze app to view remotely

[forest edge]

isn't poo on the ground like hello in your native racoon language?

[inner stag]

Does this community have any plans to have another option besides discord once the ID requirement kicks in next month? Many of us don't want to upload our driver licenses to a random tech company for no useful reason

[iron granite]

a) Some alternatives are looked at.
b) Age verification does not require to upload an ID. Webcam footage is sufficient for obviously adult people.

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/30326565624343-How-to-Complete-Age-Assurance-on-Discord

[inner stag]

Thank you for the info!

[timber stirrup]

Never heard of it, looking into it now! Thanks

[warm helm]

It's cold, they are cold let them in

[dusty mica]

pre-heat oven

[forest edge]

that sounds as if it's just you guys that get the treatment

[steel pumice]

hey it changed

after 2 months of using

[minor bobcat]

They did it there already

[clever solstice]

has anyone had much success with multi room audio? looking at quite a few options and unsure of the best route to go

[high remnant]

I am stuck in the sonos walled garden

[forest edge]

paging Mr @tidal bronze , paging Mr @tidal bronze

[high remnant]

but it worsk

[tidal bronze]

I want to help but I think my setup is little too complicated.

I do have wired speakers in all zones and Chrome Cast Audio driving QSC amps in each zone.

[forest edge]

not sure "little" is the right word

[clever solstice]

i'm at the very beginning and weighing the benefits of going multi-zone receiver vs multiple pi's running squeezelite or something like that. running wire isn't an issue and something i was planning on anyways

if i were to go multiple pi's (at least 5), they'd all be housed in my network closet regardless

just looking for something stable and easy to integrate into home assistant

and obviously looking at all the in between with arylic, wiim, etc amps

[tidal bronze]

not a bad idea. I just love CCA groups. With music assistant supporting gapless and now smart fade it works flawlessly.

Syncing zones is the hardest part of the game depending how large the area after fine tuning I have got it dialed in.

[clever solstice]

yeah, the key features i'm looking for outside of stability/integration is zone syncing as well as playing simultaneous streams to different zones.

the sync aspect is important as i have somewhat of an open floorplan between living room, kitchen, and sunroom, semi-separated by a fireplace in the middle.

[tidal bronze]

CCA supports fine tuning, metronome and running around a lot 🙂

[forest edge]

just hire someone to follow you around with a boombox

[tidal bronze]

LMAO. The new music assistant player has beta auto syncing but that really does not work with Space vs distance delay.

[clever solstice]

so, i'm still on the shallows of my deep dive into this, but was trying to look up CCA. all i could find is chromecast audio, but figured you were talking about something else?

[tidal bronze]

It is but they are discontinued. I run about 19 of them

Hopefully it will run for few more years.

[clever solstice]

haha, i juuust noticed your profile picture

[peak slate]

Hey I have one of those, I should sell it to someone who'll actually use it

It's basically never been used

[tidal bronze]

Big money on ebay

One of the best google products, analog and TOS output.

[clever solstice]

does the cca just plug into a dumb speaker and make it smart?

[peak slate]

Dang

[tidal bronze]

Yep. when you add AMP

[peak slate]

Yeah imma sell that little paper weight

I never jumped to it since I didn't want Google to cancel it out from underneath me

[tidal bronze]

They still get updates. I go on craigslist, FB marketplace to find them at least once a week,

Sellers don't know how valuable they are

[clever solstice]

aside from being ready-for-purchase, it sounds comparable to running squeezelite on pi+amp to power passive speakers (in ceiling in my case)

[tidal bronze]

I have no experience in pi for multiroom applications. Only 1 pi in my pipe to cast Vinyl to chrome cast

[clever solstice]

okay, so that's on my list of rabbit holes to go down. is vinyl an app, or are you talking about an actual record player?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-flintstones-listening-to-music-grooving-feel-the-rhythm-phonograph-gif-23193309

[tidal bronze]

Actual player.

[clever solstice]

that's great to hear. i wasn't even sure that was a possibility, but it's something i intend to look into

[tidal bronze]

Vinyl > Ice Cast > Music Assistant Radio Source > Chomecast Audio Groups

Obviously vinyl was never meant to be AD converted but there are times, it's cool to play vinyl throughout the house 🙂

[clever solstice]

to be fair, i'm not a huge audiophile. i'll sacrifice some quality for convenience when it comes to audio

[forest edge]

8 track or bust

[clever solstice]

i'll run it by the wife

[tidal bronze]

As far as AVR, it's 4 zone and I use 3 x CCA for zones 2, 4 and 4. They also drive external QSC AMPS and handle outddor subs, 8" and 6" rocks.

I just like the Yamaha App to control volume when outside.

[clever solstice]

any reason you prefer that over music assistant integration?

i have music assistant setup currently, but not utilizing it's potential for multi room audio - just tv's etc for testing at this point - but it seems to be working pretty well. we'll see what happens when i throw 5-7 pi's at it i suppose.

[raw ginkgo]

is terminal app broken on 26.2?

[forest edge]

70 bucks for an oil change and inspection!? Bah humbug

[grizzled gull]

Hmmm do it yourself?

I do full synthetic and filter for 35-40 ish for the jeeps

Diesel truck is around 120

[forest edge]

48 for the oil is not that far off

[grizzled gull]

I have a baby diesel only 3 liter so it only takes 10.5 quarts

Jeeps are 5 and 6 respectively

[forest edge]

Yea truck is 6

I need to start looking for a new(er) truck

Ok the lady sitting in the waiting room has her cell volume so loud her phone watching YouTube or something is drowning out the TV on the wall

[minor bobcat]

Do the same but with some classic german songs

https://youtu.be/wQtMP1vg1L0

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-mah-nàmah-nà-fun-singing-happy-gif-16531122

Phone speaker volumes shouldn't even get that loud imo

At a certain volume percent the phone should pop up a box saying invest in headphones

[urban viper]

Today we're excited to announce that a new channel under the Feedback channel has been opened: #otbr-beta! 🥳

This channel is for community members running beta for the OpenThread Border Router app. You can find more info about this channel here > #otbr-beta message

If you need support that isn't related to the beta for OTBR, please open a support thread in either #1284966582375813201 or #1284966617670881350 (depending on what your specific issue is). 🙏

[ocean oar]

I do it with my Sonos speakers; turnable goes into a "connect" on the line in, have a speaker in every room to output on. Screw the purists, do what makes you happy

[tidal bronze]

Wifi Speakers in rooms architecture doesn't work for me.

Used sonos long time ago. They are good for what they are

[ocean oar]

I bought all of mine between 12 and 6 years ago, all still going strong

[tidal bronze]

Not about reliability, couldn't scale to my needs.

[glacial knot]

QF with his 20 beds home

I need to take a look at that new OHF synced-audio protocol thing though

[ocean oar]

Yeah that's entirely fair, they do some pretty kooky things with networking so huge setups definitely are hard-wired propositions.
I've only got 8 total devices, the ones around the TV are hard wired and the bedroom/office ones are wireless

[atomic delta]

Huuuuuh... Texas Instruments is buying Silicon Labs. Wonder what effect that'll have on Z-Wave.

<@&330946878646517761> got a twofer

[hollow glacier]

it will make it worse

[scenic radish]

Gone

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/bfdjI.gif

[atomic delta]

That's my concern, but I have to wonder how.

[glacial knot]

z-wave support in calculators

[hollow glacier]

based on a brief chat with al calzone the zwave js maintainer he wasnt hopeful as far as expecting things to get better from the perspective of the developers interacting with ti vs si labs

i think for end users we wont notice much

[lone dagger]

Literally the second person I've seen mention this exact curiosity about Z-Wave.

[hollow glacier]

but all of our zigbee and zwave chips are made by either si labs or ti so just from the perspective of less competition is worse it be like that

[lone dagger]

*today

[scenic radish]

Something something two nickels

[atomic delta]

I mean, they just emailed everyone with a SL account about it, so that's not surprising.

[hollow glacier]

in theory they could make a better functioning si labs toolkit but i'm guessing the more likely scenario is they'll sundown the si labs tools and lay people off.. but i'm a realist

[glacial knot]

we should all pool some money and buy TI

you mean, reduce the workforce while increasing the output with the magic of AI?

[atomic delta]

That bubble can't pop fast enough.

[hollow glacier]

links article where wemo admits they just have indians driving the cars remotely not ai

[atomic delta]

Yeaaaah, that one is going to bite them in the ass too.

[ocean oar]

I was trying to remember whether this is the third or fourth major instance of "Actually Interns" that we've seen from a large company pretending to be doing things with computers but not actually

Small versions show up all the time, but really big, scandalous fuckups like that seem to be surprisingly common

[hollow glacier]

well now we have ai or will soon have ai that can actually do good enough to replace warm bodies

it will just get worse

[stuck mortar]

Quick! Panic buy all the z-wave things!

[scenic radish]

What if the Z in Z-Wave actually stood for Zigbee this entire time

[ocean oar]

What if the real Z-Wave was the friends we made along the way?

[stuck mortar]

-Texas Instruments
-Everything is bigger in Texas
-2.4 ghz is bigger than 908 mhz
-Zigbee-wave confirmed

[scenic radish]

[last cedar]

Close enough!

[last cedar]

They just shit all over the floor and started eating the sofa

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-797109095501667511

[forest edge]

so nothing that wasn't already there?

[last cedar]

Indistinguishable

[hollow glacier]

they both make zigbee and zwave and whatever else chips it's not just a zwave issue lol

all the protocols just got worse

[iron granite]

Zigzag-Wave

[hollow glacier]

time to go back to cup and string

[static schooner]

but what kind of cup? And what kind of string? How thick? How long? What's the quality? What if my cat chews through the string? What then?

this is why we need standards

https://tenor.com/view/itsalwayssunny-pepesilva-conspiracy-gif-19662447

[stuck mortar]

What is the ideal resonant frequency of this string?

Do we need to worry about interference from other nearby strings?

Can we use the same string in different countries, or are there regional string requirements?

[hollow glacier]

ok sounds good i just made a new proprietary hub to use your standard

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/s1yE0FCvsqJ.gif

[static schooner]

Monster brand gold-plated string for better sound quality

[scenic radish]

is this that openthread thing I keep hearing about?

[minor bobcat]

Can't wait for Google to release G-String

[hollow glacier]

what's the 'matter'

[forest edge]

truck failed inspection cause heated driver side mirror flaked and turned the mirror yellow. thought for sure I was going to have to buy a whole new mirror assembly which are over 200 bucks

turns out I can just replace the mirror part for 38 bucks lol

[stuck mortar]

Mesh network

[last cedar]

Are selfies allowed here?!

[static schooner]

keeping the feet in frame is a nice touch

[last cedar]

That is how I make the big bucks

onlyfans.com/cuteraccoonfeethottie666

[swift prism]

pov: youre trying to get into kernel dev so you build the kernel on EVERYTHING you can.. including your home assistant device

[swift prism]

actually i'm doing this wrong, i should be using buildroot - i'll screw with it later :p

[forest edge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/1qyl6gq/mice_decided_to_hijack_my_truenas_storage_node/

just waiting for that to happen to me

[lament rune]

Yocto will be fun

Make sure you have a few TB free

[swift prism]

a few tb?

[vivid wraith]

I had a bad day but at least I wasn’t that Norwegian Olympian that won bronze

[static schooner]

Do Norwegians know how skis work?
https://www.threads.com/@wutshappnin/post/DUmAJBtFKqf?xmt=AQF0aZbg-EAGKOKb61aEsylwGaQTMcexHSlahc-U9IoM0dteGf2LZPt5XlSXJRsmB7p1rhcE&slof=1

[atomic delta]

Okay, but seriously, that's impressive shit.

[forest edge]

gotta make that friction generate heat

[static schooner]

It's like the worlds biggest snowshoe

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/CcA91QC4Ipk?si=j6znnDGBTwfLl8pC

[vivid wraith]

I locked an alpstuga in my networking closet and closed the door

Is this a crime against smart devices

If it gets above 90 I’ll call an HVAC guy to see what he recommends about ventilating the closet

My ATT bypass ONT is killing me

And the 10 gigabit Intel NIC

[stuck mortar]

Aren’t electronics often listed to 40 or 50C, which would be 104-122F?

My router states 0-40C

[vivid wraith]

Pffft back in my day we ran our GPUs at boiling point

[stuck mortar]

I still fondly remember my old UPS screaming in agony when running big GPU compute above its rated wattage

How much is in your networking closet? Could you just install a louvered door or a vent?

I’ve seen wall pass-through vents with sound reducing baffles too

[vivid wraith]

Under 200W so probably yeah

And that’s only because it’s powering access points with PoE

[stuck mortar]

I can’t remember the company name but I looked into powered fans meant for this sort of situation

[vivid wraith]

Yeah I think something just pulling in ambient and another to vent would be fine

An HVAC return is immediately outside of the closet so there’s a lot of airflow there

[stuck mortar]

My network closet under the stairs has a big gap under the door, so I just slapped two computer fans into a cardboard wedge thing and stuck it against the door. It pulls in enough to reduce it a bit, with static pressure pushing the rest back out

I should probably add a dust filter but it’s also next to a big air filter so whatever

[static schooner]

Did it scratch at the door wanting to get out?

[ocean oar]

AC Infinity?

Who also sell a lot of products for... well let's just call it "indoor hydroponic gardening"

[arctic quarry]

hur hur you said ponic

[stuck mortar]

Yeah that’s the one. No clue as to quality or, uh, intended usage of other products

[atomic delta]

So I bought backed a new toy and now I need to think of justifications ideas for how to abuse it.

https://mecha.so/comet

Though I guess I have until (optimally) September

[last cedar]

It appears I need an armadillo

https://tenor.com/view/aww-cute-gif-22121346

[atomic delta]

I was a bit sad when that step off the concrete was level with the ground. I was kinda hoping he'd roll off the edge.

But yes, adorable.

[steel pumice]

still not a lot of devices

[raw ginkgo]

is there an easy way to check if my PSU is giving enough watts to all my slots?

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-the-cat-stopped-working-midnight-the-cat-cat-cat-meme-funny-cat-gif-14891720892157260225

[raw ginkgo]

i have a 750W PSU and i don't know if it's enough for all my HDD's, GPU, CPU fans RGB etc.. lol

everything works...but they say to add accounting for 20% additional overhead

[minor bobcat]

Check every component TDP/Powerdraw and add them up

[raw ginkgo]

like is there an app to show available watts for PSU? or do i just use Hwinfo64 to check powerdraw

[minor bobcat]

HWinfo is a good start showing you the two biggest consumers

HDDs are like 10W max

Considering you've got a 750W PSU you're most likely fine unless you run a 5090 etc.

[vivid wraith]

Making the hardest home automation decisions rn

Like the area icon to use for a hallway

High stakes stuff

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-sweat-heat-hot-wipe-sweat-gif-17716050

[simple gazelle]

Is there a doormat?

[vivid wraith]

Mmmmm

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-shining-tricycle-hallway-gif-3497603

[vivid wraith]

Hmm I wonder if I should move the NUT server itself to opnsense

I mean I guess it doesn’t really matter

I should also check how much home assistant stuff can actually cleanly start up with the router at the same time

[iron granite]

No. Those aren't apps from that repository.

I don't think they provide support for random apps.

[last cedar]

If it works you have enough watts, if it doesn't work it might not have enough watts

[last cedar]

I have my NUT server on my opnsense

[vivid wraith]

The way the integration works I guess I still would need to use the NUT addon/app and just set it in client mode to get the shutdown command

[last cedar]

More than likely

[iron granite]

I think a hassio.host_shutdown action triggered by an automation might work as well.

[last cedar]

Triggered by hassio.host_startup

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-satan-wreck-it-ralph-gif-13722306

[hidden cobalt]

Is it me or is thread absolute trash? so many issues getting it to work

zigbee and zwave are painless

forced to use a google workflow that just never works, no control over what network it is trying to join, etc

not that it ever actually joins any network without a billion attempts

[vivid wraith]

Idk what you mean I don’t do any stuff with Google

[dusty mica]

https://giphy.com/gifs/zoetiendachile-hello-hi-bye-58rhXcVXbbK9NyT7ns

[hidden cobalt]

guess you are apple 😄

the home assistant flow on android redirects you to what is a google home workflow, you can't pair without a phone, etc

there is a "developer mode" way of pairing with a bluetooth dongle on HA, which is how I have anything connected, but it doesn't work for stuff outside of bluetooth range of the server

[vivid wraith]

No I just have a zbt-2 as my only border router that I use

[hidden cobalt]

as do i

but when you use the HA app, that screen you get where it scans the qr code, goes connecting to device, then the spinning crap, is google home

It even says "powered by google" at the bottom

This screen is google

[iron granite]

There is no support in this channel though.
If you need/want help, #1284966617670881350 with the "Matter" tag would be the place to go.

[hidden cobalt]

i don't think support can help, i was just venting 😄

[last cedar]

It wouldn't work with my 1988 lawnmower, I was very upset

[iron granite]

[last cedar]

I need to sort the carb

It only does full throttle

[iron granite]

Put it on a low carb diet.

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/lawn-mower-fast-honda-fun-riding-gif-4509682617911450175

It will soon need to be used, apparently

[stuck mortar]

Lawnmower on a carnivore diet sounds ill advised

[last cedar]

It drinks liquid dinosaurs!

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-oil-mechanic-bmw-bad-mood-gif-27077312

[stuck mortar]

Hmm, drinks protein and destroys plants without consuming them. It’s a toddler

[last cedar]

It behaves like it at times

It was making a horrible screeching noise one time

[forest edge]

They do that when you run over raccoons

[stuck mortar]

Only goes full speed until it runs out of fuel and shuts down suddenly

[last cedar]

The bearing wasn't bearinging

[hidden cobalt]

ok i fixed thread and have now realised it was possibly my fault.

I knew it depended on IPv6 but thought that was on the thread network side, the whole point was that OTBR did NAT64.

I didn't realise it needed IPv6 on the provisioning side between phone and home assistant.

IPv6 was turned off on Home Assistant because it is a witches spell and we don't do that here.

[last cedar]

I think the ipv6 bit will end up biting me in the ass too

[hidden cobalt]

Turning on ipv6 worked once

I hate ipv6 so much 😄

[atomic delta]

I like ipv6 in theory, but my Orbi shits the bed when I enable it. Starts cycling it on and off randomly, causing connection issues on devices in the process. And usually I can only actually reach ipv6 net for about a minute before it starts that crap.

I need a new mesh router.

[last cedar]

It feels like ipv6 was made poorly by ipv7 to sell more ip

[iron granite]

Big IP

[last cedar]

Not to be confused with Atx, big PP

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-star-trek-gif-19129737

[hidden cobalt]

OTBR is now completely broken and will not start

honestly zigbee is just better

[last cedar]

Don't let big thread hear you, you will disappear and never be heard from again

https://tenor.com/view/thom-gif-gif-22589646

[ocean oar]

Big thread, aka "rope"

[warm helm]

really watch out for big steel cable

[stuck mortar]

What’s a garrote between friends

[warm helm]

my friends refused to help

[mental peak]

Are lithium AA batteries good?

[scenic radish]

They're higher capacity and have a wider operating temp range than alkaline, but they're also more expensive

[iron granite]

I do not recommend to eat them. That can be dangerous.

[arctic quarry]

so yummy tho

[scenic radish]

LithiYUM amirite

[arctic quarry]

got just the right bite to ’em

[warm helm]

You are the reason we have legal warnings aren't you

[warm helm]

No

[static schooner]

there has to be a reason that they're shaped like you esophagus

[mental peak]

Is this good? www.amazon.co.uk/BATZONE-Rechargeable-Batteries-Capacity-Integrated/dp/B0DT6JJBNZ

[scenic radish]

oh you're talking about lithium ion

No clue about those. I've only ever used NiMH rechargeable double and triple screams

[young sigil]

Lithium polymer is much tastier?

[mental peak]

ooooooo I found cheaper ones on aliexpress

[ocean oar]

For starters, I would assume that capacity figure is a lie. Typical AA ("14500") size NMC/NCAs are around 0.8Ah @ 3.6V, there's zero chance that including the 3.6->1.5V circuitry they're putting 1Ah cells in there.
As a concept, those 1.5V output AAs are pretty decent for anything medium-to-high drain that wants consistent power output. Not sure I'd bother for any low-drain device.

So depending on what you're planning to put them in... maybe

[mental peak]

These look pretty good? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008942726141.html

[iron granite]

They look boring.

[mental peak]

Why?

[iron granite]

Just green. No fancy decorations.

[minor bobcat]

Still better than those Sony 18650

[iron granite]

Most batteries look boring.

[minor bobcat]

I must say the Williams F1 marketing works. Everytime I think of batteries i think of durasmell now

[scenic radish]

Nah it's all about those PKCELLs

[minor bobcat]

But look at that huge Durasmell

[surreal sandal]

I am so confused, This week, a bunch of my lights have been turning on randomly with "Light Name Turned On" and no info about the trigger

is this just me?

an issue with 2026.2?

[iron granite]

#find-support

[surreal sandal]

I appreciate the link up @iron granite , but I don't know which of these would apply to my situation...

[iron granite]

In that case the last paragraph applies.

If none of these seem to fit what you are looking for
Head to this channel to get pointed in the right direction. #find-a-channel

[sterile ferry]

I learned a good bit from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y23nfAOiXQ when looking at Lithium cells cheap isn't always best or safe 🙈

[ocean oar]

My Lithium battery viewing today was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k13EHaa_nW0
Connecting thousands of CR2032s in a big series+parallel arrangement then using them to start a car. Because why not

[midnight adder]

I just want to voice my support for taking this community off discord and migrating to a publicly accessible and searchable alternative. Xenforo or phpbb would be my choices, but I know I'm an old man for that.

I'll be deleting my discord next month, along with a lot of other people.. those who stay won't notice or care, but there's a lot of people who will lose access

[orchid rose]

As cool as this was I can't take any of this seriously after the last time they did the same with the Thunderbolt connectors vs USB charging cable. Wouldn't have expected such sell-out BS from Adam

hurdur, the pins aren't even connected. You don't say????

[atomic delta]

Lithium AAs excel at handling high and low temperatures and last much longer than common chemistries without notable voltage sag. I use them in my weather station outside. I'd only recommend them in temperature-stressed applications or in devices that are a pain to replace batteries in frequently. IoT sensors in attics and such would be a good application.

Also, do not confuse Lithium (LiFeS2) and Lithium Ion (various chemistries). The former are not rechargeable, but have the same voltage as normal AAs (~1.5v). The latter are rechargeable but at -lowest- are 2.6v nominal (LiFePo) and most will be closer to 3.2-3.6. I wouldn't mess with the rechargeable ones. Too many potential points of failure and failure is violent.

[atomic delta]

LiFeS2 can be up to 3.2Ah or so in a AA package. They're pretty nutty.

And doesn't require any circuitry to step down voltage. It should be nominal 1.5v.

Went looking out of curiosity. Looks like it can be closer to 3.6Ah. Check page 5 here:
https://studylib.net/doc/18211960/lithium----l91-l92----energizer-technical-information

[sterile ferry]

It wasn’t his research and the report cited speaks for itself.

[atomic delta]

Ew... I just read back and realized he was indeed talking about LiIon AAs. Noooooope.

[orchid rose]

This video seemed cool like I said, but since I don't know anything about these batteries or how worried I should be, the previous video hurts their point quite a bit

[atomic delta]

When it comes to 18650s, I trust Mooch's information on them. Think he stopped posting back in 2018 or so, but the info is still solid.

Tl;Dr: There are only like... Four brands you should even consider, the rest are dangerously bullshit ratings and rewraps generally.

Sony, Samsung, Molicel, Panasonic... Am I forgetting any?

[orchid rose]

I looked into building another e-bike just recently and one of the big price differences is Chinese brand batteries vs Samsung/LG. But the data seems to be lacking on how much it is about capacity and how much is actually about safety