the-water-cooler

[split acorn]

atleast when it ras running standalone my phone with the unify app could reste

[stiff smelt]

But i just noticed you now miss that redundancy feature for no reason

xD

and another point of failure

[split acorn]

nah i dont think so

i dont have any ups keep in mind

so if power goes outim cooked either way

[stiff smelt]

Its something that can break, poe injectors are way less efficient and less developed over most switches

[split acorn]

doesnt really matter if its a poe injector or not

its made by unify tho

so like

i mean anything can break

the switch itself can break

or get stuck in rommon

[stiff smelt]

Eh you do you xD i couldnt care less hehe

But if the switch breaks, you lose the poe too

so the poe is extra chance of something to break over the chance already existing

my brain is kinda set to redundancy and as little point of failures.

[split acorn]

ill stock up on poe injectors lol

[stiff smelt]

xD

[split acorn]

is the c3650 even poe

i dont think its poe+ or wahtever

not sure what aps need

[stiff smelt]

specsheat answers that question

But yeah poe+ sounds resonable

[split acorn]

whenever i try to load syslogs on the pfsense ui, it pegs my cpu

and it has 4x threads on a gold 6132

just great 😄

[stiff smelt]

Hahaha smooth

[split acorn]

logs are a pain

i dont think anything can convice me to open ports across zones for syslogs and netflow

[stiff smelt]

Thats why i always end up running a dedicated syslog server

[split acorn]

yeah but like

i need multiple

[stiff smelt]

why

[split acorn]

sooooo

i want to respect my zones

i dont even want to allow syslogs or netflow pinhole rules across my domain controller zones

im running a multi forest with strict no trust

pfsense can forward logs to my trusted mgmt zone using static routing so thats good, but ill need a seperate log server for my untrusted zone

[stiff smelt]

https://graylog.org/feature/data-collection/

[split acorn]

well i dont really want to use their sidecar

or anything to collect and push

[stiff smelt]

but, its what you are kinda looking for

Or if you do not want to aggregate the data, you can run multiple dockers

[split acorn]

yeah would have to have multiple instances

also dont really want to use docker

[stiff smelt]

Or lvm, or install locally

But yeah you can go anywhere with graylog

[split acorn]

why no ova for lazy people

[stiff smelt]

Also, communication from the graylog nodes to the data node is tls encrypted, why worry.

Eh i use proxmox

lvm is just as easy, but i dont mind dockers

This is what we use in our environment, its pretty robust

I run a single instance that is both the collector and data node together at home

I only need logs from 2 vlans, graylog has a paw in each network which works for me since they are both already secured vlans

Besides its udp syslog, not that big of a hole to poke.

[split acorn]

holdup i think package syslog-ng on pfsense is what i need

[stiff smelt]

also nice

[split acorn]

yeah so

i think i can use it on pfsense

then forward elsewhere

[vivid wraith]

Crippled by choices with NAS and NVR and RAM prices 😔

Kind of surprised the unifi ecosystem distinguishes between a NVR and a NAS

[ocean oar]

Still forever annoyed by their refusal to allow self-hosting the NVR

[dawn badge]

It's probably a balance between them wanting to sell stuff and also them wanting to guarantee a certain hardware quality and not deal with stupid support requests.

They end up with bad reviews and support requests from someone who is trying to run off a jbod array of 100 sdcards from 2003 that they found in the back of a stockroom.

[ocean oar]

Go on...

As you say, a balance. But it is the kind of thing that prevents a lot of people from being able to use their products, where they might otherwise be suitable

[dawn badge]

yeah, I don't disagree, but they have their target market I guess.

[vivid wraith]

Doesn’t explain why they don’t let you use their own NAS still though 🙂

That seems only the sell stuff bucket

[dawn badge]

Yeah that is probably a fair enough point.

[ocean oar]

So going back to this 100 SD cards idea

Let's not lose momentum on this

[dawn badge]

oh no... that was an example of what not to do. lets not use it as a springboard to do it. I do not want to be blamed for this.

[vivid wraith]

I kind of want to get a Mac mini to play with frigate and then use an off the shelf NAS like UNAS or something, but I’d also rather just run Ubuntu or something

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-wtf-really-which-one-hungry-decisions-gif-13845127

macOS is cringe

[split acorn]

why mac

doesnt nvr frigate need gpu

for transcode and ai features

[vivid wraith]

It supports the m chip gpu making it afaict the cheapest very high performance inference platform @split acorn

Lower performance you can stay on CPU and such

[atomic delta]

We need to go deeper.

Alternatively, combine yours with this.

That's 200 MicroSD cards right there.

[split acorn]

very high performance?

are we suuuureeee

[vivid wraith]

According to the frigate wiki at least

They have it with their highest inference speed tier

I ain’t sure about shit I don’t own it

[unborn merlin]

Coral TPu's also good if you can slot one..

[vivid wraith]

the frigate docs say they don’t recommend coral tpus

but they don’t say why

[vivid wraith]

they just say what they recommend instead

[unborn merlin]

oh. 🤷‍♂️

havent looked at their pages recently. go figure. 😄

[vivid wraith]

I mean it’s hard to say without more info

https://docs.frigate.video/frigate/hardware/

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-walking-dead-gif-12511405043628908965

[vivid wraith]

where I got the screenshot ^

[scenic radish]

I imagine it's because Google has basically abandoned it

[unborn merlin]

moreso that other stuff has caught up I imagine.

I mean its still gonna be the top for power efficiency I would presume tho

[static schooner]

I was just looking at whether I should switch to openvino and the links I found suggested against it. Maybe I'll look again

I don't really have any issues with my coral 🤷

[scenic radish]

I don't either, but I've had to fiddle with it after every Debian upgrade which is annoying but not exactly a huge deal given the update cycle lol

[vivid wraith]

I just tdon’t really want to build my own pc rn given component prices

[unborn merlin]

🤷‍♂️

such is shit right now

until someone puts sam altman's head on a pike.

Or rips his spine out predator-like

[dawn badge]

I am so happy that i built a new desktop 3 months ago. just in time...

although my plans to update the homelab setup have been put on hold...

[vivid wraith]

I sold my 4090 to a friend for $700

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-pondering-about-devious-question-black-man-pondering-wtf-gif-1595601870259431154

[vivid wraith]

yeah in this case it’s like, limiting the PCs I want for frigate and NVR/NAS

the unifi NAS hardware seems nice, although it’s baffling it can’t be used in their NVR ecosystem I figure maybe I just use it as NAS in my own NVR system since I likely wouldn’t use their cam ecosystem anyway

[dawn badge]

yeah my plan was to move my storage array setup to a new system.

[vivid wraith]

scrypted or frigate or something

[hoary canyon]

I kinda want to get a M4 Mac Mini for local LLMs, think that’s on hold now

Apple used to have a 24gb unified ram refurb listing for $679

[vivid wraith]

it’s insane that a unifi nas is competitive in cost effectiveness to some custom builds but that’s the world we’re in rn

[vivid wraith]

ya I was looking at mac mini for frigate or scrypted maybe, to separately connect to a NAS

[hoary canyon]

Looks like the one I was eying is now $849 on Apple’s refurb site

too much for me to justify

I could hardly justify $679 I feel like

Wish there was some cheaper alternatives other than just buying a GPU

[vivid wraith]

when I think about buying a GPU, and then also buying the rest of the entire system

and then with frigate not recommending the google coral anymore and their iGPU systems performing worse than just the apple one

despite being more expensive

but I really don’t want to run macos

[hoary canyon]

I already have a mini PC I could theoretically use with an M.2 to Oculink adapter, the Mac mini would just be nice since I could also run things like Piper and TTS on it with better performance

[vivid wraith]

it’s nothing even against macos in particular I just want to run a headless os

[hoary canyon]

yeah I feel ya

There was a Linux under development for M series a while ago

think it’s stuck on M2 right now- Asahi Linux I think is the name

[unborn merlin]

almost like trying to put linux on a platform by an openly hostile mfr is hard.

[hoary canyon]

The Mac mini also apparently only pulls like 5W under load which is incredibly appealing [ EDITED ]

The Mac mini also apparently only pulls like 5W under load (or maybe it was idle- probably) which is incredibly appealing

[dawn badge]

yeah I think m2 works and m3 is semi working in a dev branch. but m4 will be a bit more painful.

[hoary canyon]

It’s not really even that, it’s just that Apple has an ARM architecture on their stuff now which makes it harder

older Macs can easily be wiped and used on a different OS

[unborn merlin]

oh yes, because arm is very very very rare and apple is the only one--

... wait no that's nonsense.

🙃

[dawn badge]

so its not actually as hostile as you would think

[hoary canyon]

They’re the only ones with great efficiency and battery life 🙃

[dawn badge]

recommended viewing on the subject - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OAiOfCcYFM

recent talk on the subject.

[unborn merlin]

i have the gist from the past.

didn't the lead of that step down last year because of toxicity in the linux scene?

[hoary canyon]

Hopefully eventually Microsoft partners and announces a new version of Bootcamp.. Apple I think has publicly even said that Microsoft can if they want to

[vivid wraith]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DTg3XClk4UJ/

[dawn badge]

something like that.

[unborn merlin]

does it involve AI slop?

and you got the companys name wrong there bruh

Its Microslop

get it right.

[hoary canyon]

It’s still a step forward.

I don’t like windows much either to be clear

If you can dual boot into windows ARM, ARM linux distros wouldn’t be too hard to port at that point I’d imagine

[dawn badge]

I dislike apple completely but to be fair the m4 mini is great cost efficiency for the computing power. obviously it gets ruined if you dare try to upgrade from the base spec...

[unborn merlin]

ah apple.

the company that charges more by weight for their SSD/RAM upgrades than literal gold.

[hoary canyon]

Yeah definitely, I’m not a huge Mac fanboy either. I have one and honestly prefer my windows laptop (had power management issues on Linux- otherwise I’d daily it)

[ocean oar]

That base-spec M4 mini definitely ain't bad... if you can live with 16GB/256GB

[hoary canyon]

the killer thing about the M series Macs is the ram is unified

[ocean oar]

Mind you current circumstances are making even Apple's upgrade prices look reasonable

[unborn merlin]

the thing that strix halo can also do? 🤷‍♂️

[ocean oar]

Though that doesn't bode well for what happens once their stockpile of M4 models runs out and they re-evaluate for M5

[dawn badge]

not just that its unified but the actual interface of the unified memory. the memory bus is pretty outstanding to be fair.

[unborn merlin]

the apple eat shit price ontop of the current circumstances? oh that'll be fun for fanboys.. 😛

[hoary canyon]

That seems to be a brand new product to be fair

Apple has been doing it for years now

[ocean oar]

Newer, certainly, but still a year old

[hoary canyon]

Yeah looked it up

[dawn badge]

I did consider that maybe when the m5 mini arrives some used m4 minis might appear for a good deal. but then I remember that apple fanboys think that they hold their complete value for like 15 years.

[hoary canyon]

Apple stuff retains value (unfortunately and fortunately)

[unborn merlin]

it really barely does.

it only does as much as the fanboys will pay for it.

[hoary canyon]

That’s simply not true lol

look up an iPhone 12 price

[ocean oar]

I've got one of the Ryzen AI machines (HP ZBook 14, with the top-end 395 model), is a pretty nice machine

[hoary canyon]

that phone is from 2020

[dawn badge]

that is the issue

[unborn merlin]

Whats that?

apple has a high margin (45-60%?) and manages to make things stay absurdly expensive for long times by wanking off their brand?

[dawn badge]

I think phones are a bit of a different category.

[hoary canyon]

just in general though

some of their stuff is still crazy expensive even used

from years ago

[unborn merlin]

again. because fanboys will gargle that corporate cock and keep the prices up.

realistically? shit should drop

the only company that gets more fanboys going down on it; is Tesla

[hoary canyon]

That makes me wonder how much an older Mac Pro is

[dawn badge]

at least we have finally stop hearing "but macs are designed for media editing" which was semi true in the "power pc" era. but hasnt been true since 2005

[hoary canyon]

if this is DDR4 memory, I wonder how much you can sell the ram alone for

[unborn merlin]

those are server cpus.. and isnt that like ddr3?

so uhh.

not much

[hoary canyon]

I don’t think a 2019 would use DDR3

but I could be wrong

[unborn merlin]

because limited amount of people wanting it.

either way, its server cpus; so its ECC or whatever.

[hoary canyon]

DDR4 ECC it looks like

[ocean oar]

The new cheesegrater is DDR4. Xeon W-31xx series CPUs I think?

So DDR4-2666 or 2933 RDIMMs

The number of those kind of DIMMs I have sitting in a box at work that I wish I could do something about

I think there are 1250x 32GB DIMMs, from old Dell servers

[unborn merlin]

I think the resale values probably fairly limited relatively speaking..

outside of.. speciaty uses

like; I think I saw a ServeTheHome or something video on new bus-attached cards that are basically just stacking fucktons of ram in em in oolder gen stuff to expand PCIe5 stuff and things with fancy cards with the shortage but?

[ocean oar]

CXL?

[unborn merlin]

yeah over CXL

[vivid wraith]

I also need to decide between frigate and scrypted if I don’t want to bother with too much maintenance

[unborn merlin]

I mean technically you can run one through the other

but.. here';s a way to reduce that

do you want to pay monthly fees to have a DVR function? 😄

(that scales up depending on your camera count.)

[split acorn]

uhh so

whats the working HACS integration or addon for Govee smart bulbs?

[unborn merlin]

https://github.com/wez/govee2mqtt

Last I checked.. still works on soomeones house I poke about with hass..

[split acorn]

alright thanks

[vivid wraith]

what’s the typical parent? scrypted?

[unborn merlin]

scrypted has a nicer camera-adding-interface as far as I know (unless frigate changed significantly recently?)

[forest edge]

data: >-
A small, elongated mammal, possibly a weasel or mink, is seen moving across
the driveway.

thanks gemini

[stiff smelt]

Frigate is still text based

unfortunately

Which also means you need to restart for every single change if im correct.

[high remnant]

holy crap the 5G max from ubiquity is expensive lol

[forest edge]

in other news, water is wet

[high remnant]

yeah but in my mind it was 350 but that is before VAT

[forest edge]

the video I posted yesterday saying it was decoy shows the guy using those hub mini's at 130something a pop as a simple relay

who the fuck spends 130 for a relay?

[radiant harness]

Is this something like always round to full numbers? For batteries it feels like rounding them always to 3V is a bit stupid.

[iron granite]

#find-support

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/tut-ugly-dance-bra-gif-14848007

[vivid wraith]

Just looked, current EBITDA margin is 34.7%

91% unlevered conversion

Anyway the biggest barrier for me pulling a trigger on a Mac mini is I’d really rather a headless Linux machine

Maybe if Apple had a more user forward headless-first experience

[weak musk]

guess what that's literally everyone now,

[fallow hemlock]

idk if this is allowed, but what's everyone's favorite local LLM for voice assistant?

[iron granite]

#machine-learning

Or #1284966915055288530 for support.

[reef stream]

where can i ask a question about wifi that is more offtopic than home assistant?

[glacial knot]

I'd recommend the off-topic channel #the-water-cooler 🙂

[reef stream]

so i am in it lol

[iron granite]

As long as it does not involve support in any kind or form.

But I guess, #the-workshop would be better.

[reef stream]

so you know how netflix if you are away to your wifi for too long it will see it and say watch temporarily and then it will loc you out. any suggestions for basically making the hose devices say that they are on the same wifi for a bit so that i can start watching again?

the main thing is i dont understand if theres a main device that also has to be on that wifi as netflix calls it household device, or if the device lock out just needs to connect to the home wifi.

[iron granite]

Never had any Netflix logout issues.

[reef stream]

its a feature, for example, we live in the usa, but my brother lives in barcelona, so he never at our homes, and netflix after using the same account will see this and lock you out

[iron granite]

Maybe naming the WiFis in the same way is enough to trick the system. But I assume Netflix has more refined methods.

[reef stream]

example found on google

[iron granite]

Creating a new account and subscription would solve it.

[high remnant]

yes! think about those poor shareholders

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-harrelson-crying-money-wipe-tears-rich-gif-16201471

[high remnant]

ngl Jellyfin never complains about me not being at home

[reef stream]

bruh.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-jack-nicholson-yes-yes-nod-head-nod-gif-17444176260167585294

[reef stream]

nah, uses ip and stuff

[high remnant]

Hey maybe you can use klarna to get another account

[reef stream]

klarna? whats that

[tacit smelt]

Can't really find a proper channel for it. But anyone has a issue with climate controll? I have multiple intergrattions with climate control that are broken all at the same time

[high remnant]

speedrun dystopian capitalism

[iron granite]

#find-support

[high remnant]

Klarna is an afterpay provider

I would not ever use it btw

[tacit smelt]

K I'll figure it out....

[arctic quarry]

average Swede story arc

2016: Klarna and Spotify was made in Sweden ✌️ 🥳 🇸🇪
2026: Klarna and Spotify was made in Sweden 🌬️🏃‍♂️‍➡️🚪

-# @last cedar may or may not back me up

[last cedar]

@arctic quarry correct

[high remnant]

Scandinavian grift

[last cedar]

But I wasn't made in Sweden 😛

Contrary to popular belief, I am just there for the raccoons

[high remnant]

not to start a music service with pirated songs?

[arctic quarry]

or disrupt protection rackets?

KLARNA: Nice IOU you got there, fella. better pay on time, or it'll hurt ya. it'll hurt ya good

[high remnant]

i hope they go broke

just like all the afterpay providers

[arctic quarry]

they truly deserve to

if there was ever a clearer example of rent-seeking, I don't know wtf it would be. printer ink?

[high remnant]

i mean you can be a net negative but i’d rather describe these services as a cancer. They really damage society

[high remnant]

printer ink doesn’t extort people

or people who are financially struggling

[arctic quarry]

on the second, I agree

but DRM tho

[high remnant]

devils advocate; DRM protects IP so that really depends on the why and how

[arctic quarry]

no I mean like, HP ink cartridge DRM

[high remnant]

oh yeah it’s stupid but i don’t need an HP printer to live

[arctic quarry]

this is fair

[high remnant]

doesn’t mean i agree with DRM on ink btw

[arctic quarry]

nah I figured

I have made it this far without owning a printer, btw, but having a kid in the middle school years certainly is taxing the "can I just e-mail you guys" quota

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/office-space-gif-18166316

[arctic quarry]

that goddamn scene

it radicalized me

so good

[high remnant]

😂😂😂

i use a still of this scene on our Intranet. it’s the manual on how ti print

[arctic quarry]

hahaha

and of course, this timeless gem

[high remnant]

i haven’t owed a printer since like 2005

[high remnant]

lmao same. just thundercunt it across the room

[arctic quarry]

hahaha

btw, I realized belatedly that "printer loaded gun" might put me on some watchlists

but I guess it's fine, because even that search has been slopified

[high remnant]

i am already on multiple

[arctic quarry]

ME: what model is that
AI: Certainly! Vivid image high quality fine art photography attractive gun appealing HD resolution print gun fine art extra fine detail

[high remnant]

lmao

[arctic quarry]

I'm a prompt visionary, kids

[high remnant]

ai slob in Printsbles

[arctic quarry]

oh fuck me it's even better

holy shit

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[arctic quarry]

yasss

[high remnant]

allegedly i own a 3d printer

don’t care about guns tbh

[arctic quarry]

yeah funny how you outgrow the desire for toy guns at like 13

[high remnant]

what about my emotional support AR15

words spoken to me by some american with an pink rifle

[arctic quarry]

lol

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/listening-what-fbi-chris-redd-alex-moffat-gif-11784633

[high remnant]

allegedly i may have had some relations with a certain government agency

[vivid wraith]

I still can’t believe ECC RAM isn’t standard

[high remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH-Ny-ae3ZE

[last cedar]

It is all ai now 🙁

[stuck mortar]

Generated from slurping up existing music, so it’s piracy still

[arctic quarry]

it was always piracy

Spotify launched with just their personal mp3 collections

[high remnant]

the irony

[vivid wraith]

I think I need to bite the bullet and build my own frigate+NAS

[arctic quarry]

I hear good things

[steel pumice]

woah woah woah woah woah woah woah woah

[steel pumice]

EVERYTHING'S STILL RED URGH

nvm everything's blue again yay

[high remnant]

god damnit my lego set is incomplete

it has a incorrect brick

[last cedar]

@clear ferry

https://tenor.com/view/the-gentlemen-gif-7224241088854830565

[iron granite]

If it has a random color, it is not incorrect.
We call that color plague.

[high remnant]

it’s completely different

https://iwillnotbuynitro.com/u/fancy-secret-dead-alpaca.jpeg
https://iwillnotbuynitro.com/u/lanky-perfumed-familiar-amberpenshell.jpeg

i should have 4211210

this isn’t even in the set as far as i can see

[simple gazelle]

That's just swap with extra steps

[high remnant]

cannot get a replacement part. The lego website is broken sigh

[solar zealot]

3d printing my beloved

[iron granite]

-# Don't let LEGO hear that.

[solar zealot]

only 3d print generic building blocks

[high remnant]

or just request a replacement

i paid for it lol

[solar zealot]

Sorry Mr made of money

[high remnant]

🥺🥺🥺

i can always RMA the set

[last cedar]

Can anyone advise? Bought a 5090 and I can't find where to plug in the 2x6 HPWR

[hollow glacier]

This is tux 🐈‍⬛ the stray cat. I’ve been feeding him and slowly convincing him to trust me and he’s letting me pet him now which is huge. I think he’s realizing the streets aren’t as fun as they seem.

[last cedar]

@hollow glacier cat distribution system working as intended!

[hollow glacier]

My indoor cat 🐈‍⬛ doesn’t like him tho

He’s going around peeing on stuff

[last cedar]

🙁

Marking territory

Has he has his balls yeeted?

[hollow glacier]

You can tell he’s the alpha

[hollow glacier]

Like 10 years ago

[last cedar]

You are clearly just a guest at your house

[hollow glacier]

He allows the pets

[solar zealot]

Is it just me or is Amazon selling the 140w apple power brick for like 60 bucks

[minor bobcat]

You'll need this

Your power usage should look like this then

[solar zealot]

For when you need PD at 200kw

[coral plank]

What is the strategy for smart switches on circuits that control smart bulbs

[iron granite]

#find-support

[hollow glacier]

You buy smart switches with smart bulb mode and benefit from both

[coral plank]

Any recs?

[hollow glacier]

If you have fuck you money buy inovelli blue switches and hue bulbs (both zigbee) paired to either z2m or zha. If you don’t, then zooz zwave switches are a lot cheaper but then you’re dependent on home assistant to always be on for light switches to work

[coral plank]

Do they have 2 gang switches?

[hollow glacier]

With the inovelli+hue zigbee approach you can bind switches to bulbs 💡 instead of using home assistant automations

[coral plank]

Ic

Thanks!

[hollow glacier]

They sell 1 gang switches you just use multiple

[coral plank]

Makes sense

[potent fulcrum]

If you have LIFX bulbs, the LIFX Switch is a Matter controller and can control Matter-enabled LIFX bulbs directly/locally. Also, word from LIFX is they will be enabling Thread support for a bunch of their Matter-over-WiFi devices later this year, but obviously I can't guarantee that bit.

[floral folio]

Are LG TVs still the more recommended route to go with for decent HA integration?

I've got to move and am debating on selling my TCL Series 5 instead of packing it.

[potent fulcrum]

Mine "just works" (OLED C3) but I don't really do a lot via the integration besides turn it on/off and use its power state to trigger things like bias lighting.

[floral folio]

Yeah all I care about is on/off and switch inputs.

[arctic quarry]

can confirm this was straightforward for my 10 yo LG, once I got the wake-on-LAN working. it required going into the service menu, I've forgotten how I did it but there was some Windows app involved

iirc, you do two things: enable wake-on-lan and suss out the MAC address of the TV

[coral plank]

I'm on hue rn but I'm buying more bulbs and I think I'm gonna go with a diff vendor

Kinda thinking ikea but idk

[hazy spruce]

good day to all 🙂

[dusty mica]

hoihoi

[hazy spruce]

yes, yes I know 🙂 a newbie - and yes I do not know where to start - can someone take me by the hand maybe? please? I know I should create a topic or post ...

[dusty mica]

WHERE WOULD THE HAND WANT TO BE LEAD TO?

OH caps lock sorry

[hazy spruce]

most likely to energy dashboard - and if that is not too much to ask how to avoid having more and more apps, instead of one 🙂 - and thank you 😄

@noDNS - no problem - i am used to be shouted at ;-D

sorry for disturbing - better be off - btw looked into the ikea stuff and it does not seem to be ripe now if Sam2G was referring to the new devices

enjoy you evening/day 👋

[brisk fox]

I just installed HA 2026.1.2 that runs in a container on my Pi5. I've also installed Node-RED in its own container and added the HA pallette.
How can I install HACS in HA so I can then install the Node-Red Companion integration?
(I've got all this setup in HA 2025.10, but something's changed in the last few months.)

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re "just asking a question", you're asking for support. Head to https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 to help you find where you should post your question. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[coral plank]

Ngl the support thread structure is extremely confusing lol

[simple gazelle]

It's basically a forum, but inside a Discord

[warm helm]

That's my biggest gripe. Let forums be good and searchable

[dusty mica]

https://tenor.com/view/boop-deadpool-negasonic-teenage-warhead-brianna-hildebrand-gif-14216702

[deft cliff]

Hey guys, just wanted to share what i managed to make recently, to have Voice PE to output its TTS to an external media player

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/voice-pe-play-replies-on-an-external-media-playerer/976011

[iron granite]

Please use #1284960456880029707 for this.

[deft cliff]

ok thx, was looking for something like that

[last cedar]

I used (because I haven't got around to running a cable to it in new house, only been 4 years...) WoL on my G6 (2016 model) without issue, great solution

[arctic quarry]

yeah it's really neat. like, on/off and input selection really is 99% of what I need from a 'smart' TV. the only improvement would be a built-in adblock but pfft as if

[high remnant]

https://iwillnotbuynitro.com/u/pale-parallel-faithful-antarcticfurseal.jpeg yay

[split acorn]

mini mock?

does esp builder need lamda or is this just vibe coded trash?

[glacial knot]

???

[high remnant]

I forgot to reply to the original message ;-; but I am still salty about the missing brick

[split acorn]

yeah so im just finding that these echo atom s3r are bit harder to build in esphome

honestly all these esp32 devices are hard to build in esphome

even tho gemini is good at yaml

i just need simple voice satellite here lmao

[hoary canyon]

if it's an android/google tv, my TCL Google TV works perfectly with HA

[floral folio]

I wish I went with a Google TV for my TCL. I accidentally updated my Ruku one and started getting banner ads everywhere.

I'm moving but I don't know where to yet, so I figured this would be a good opportunity to sell the thing.

[gusty belfry]

I find the most outlandish ways to avoid chores and my actual to do list. Computed my furnace gas consumption rate and then used my ecobee heat on sensor to extrapolate a ballpark gas usage.

[hoary canyon]

You can disable these with a hidden menu I believe, but I do agree- I hate Roku lol. I'd probably keep it though because you probably won't sell it for much.

[last cedar]

Not sure how well it will integrate with home assistant, but I should definately add one of these to my setup

https://www.blocket.se/recommerce/forsale/item/20045422?

[ocean oar]

That isn't a raccoon

I mean it's cute, don't get me wrong

But the animal rights people might get up in arms if you paint it with black and grey stripes

[sudden monolith]

this C.A.F.E. integration is pretty neat. is there a place to chat about it I have a few questions about how delay vs wait for or how I can check the change state before going to the next step.

[iron granite]

#1284966582375813201

[iron granite]

If you mean using the integration's stuff in automations: #1284980040940912641

[sudden monolith]

yea I don't know if this is an automation issue or how C.A.F.E. works.

[vivid wraith]

hmmm

I wonder if matter binding is as smooth as zigbee yet

[next zealot]

nabucasa is based in US, right? is there any option for an EU based subsidiary?

[split acorn]

yo who uses echo atom s3r for voice satellites. they are the best voice satellite device so like surely they are common?!?!?

they got the best wakeword listening of any esp32 device.

do i post in configuration or hardware?

i need some yaml to get it on the network and running as a voice satellite

[iron granite]

#find-support

[gusty belfry]

Should I ditch the free space from the pie chart?

[split acorn]

no im asking if its hardware or config

for esp32 builder

[static schooner]

Their sever

https://discord.gg/e85d3XnEe

[iron granite]

This is also not the right channel for that. #find-support points to the right ones.

[split acorn]

too much channel too hard

[atomic delta]

Oh dear gods, it's a real scammer. I thought it was satire at first.

<@&330946878646517761>

[scenic radish]

Gone

[atomic delta]

I really have to wonder who's stupid enough to fall for those.

[unborn merlin]

elon stans?

[frigid fog]

Anyone make an agent skill that knows how to configure automations? I'd really like to just talk to AI, maybe even have it ask me questions about what i want the automation to do, and have it configure the automation for me. https://agentskills.io/home

[unborn merlin]

go ask slopya nadella.

maybe he'll put that work in.

🙃

[floral folio]

I spent a whole night digging through the secret menus and was unable to do it. I hated life afterwards.

If anyone is in the Chicago area, I've got a TV with banner ads for sale.

[forest edge]

the Telly?

[unborn merlin]

return to company that made it with stink bomb inside.

[floral folio]

If I could return it I would.

[unborn merlin]

Roku is such a dogshit company anyways.. I used to have one.. until they just,.. never fixed HDCP handshake errors taht would cause sporadic blackscreen fluttering on a 4k set. 🤷‍♂️

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge wanna go swimming?

[tidal bronze]

Use Gemini CLI or Antigravity. CLI is far superior

[frigid fog]

thats what i'm talking about. A skill to use in claude code, open code etc CLI that describes to LLM how to build automations/search devices, entities to use in automations etc

[tidal bronze]

Add HA MCP to CLI and it's gravy all day

[frigid fog]

oh i didn't even realize HA had a MCP. ill have to check that out

[tidal bronze]

Pull entities, what if scenarios pulling sensor last updated times, did I mess up etc. Possibilities are endless

Small tip, dicuss 1st before implementing code change. Write that into .MD before anything

[unborn merlin]

nah this is a slop'er we're talking about. deploy straight to production on a friday evening; full database access! /s

[tidal bronze]

Lol. There's very little help I need at this stage of my HA life but it's interesting to get Gemini perspective of my logic from decade ago. Adjusting timers, fine tuning temperature offsets etc is what I do now. Gemini sessions, make rollback a breeze

[unborn merlin]

rollbacks? that implies you have backups

[tidal bronze]

Even I don't remember 489 automations, I am so thankful that Gemini CLI exists

[unborn merlin]

thats not proper slop

[tidal bronze]

EXSI snapshots on Synology, yep no I am not worried 😁

[unborn merlin]

are you not paying vmware for that? taht sounds like you should be paying for enterprise features

allow me to just tell broadcom to come break your fucking legs. /s

[tidal bronze]

Been on ESXI for ages.

[unborn merlin]

ESXi is still too usable without forking over money.

they will be issuing updates to fix this.

[tidal bronze]

You mean peace of mind?

[unborn merlin]

no its unacceptable to their profit margins that you're using it without problems; without paying them

its the same with nintendo if a fan dares to.. show passion for their games and try and do an event with it.

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-mods-crush-his-skull-gif-15067477579594302441

[forest edge]

is swimming code for house robbing and swim trunks code for fire suit to survive the venture?

[static schooner]

lol:

[unborn merlin]

wasn't my question.

[tidal bronze]

You got trunks or shorts?

[unborn merlin]

and I'm not slopya nadella either.. fuck slop. 🙃

[tidal bronze]

Did someone hurt you today?

[floral folio]

Oh sorry, I mean @frigid fog . https://homeassistant-ai.github.io/ha-mcp/

[forest edge]

are trunks the shorts that may as well just be called a speedo with fluff?

lol he wears a hollowed out tree trunk.. that so fits in line with the typical tree hugger comment

[static schooner]

Helps with the floating

[vivid wraith]

It’s -4 degrees in Texas

https://tenor.com/view/freezing-elmo-meme-it's-cold-winter-shivering-snowing-gif-12639548316257805494

[forest edge]

9F here 2 states north

[fallow hemlock]

22f here in dfw

[high remnant]

those ESPs got expensive 😓

dang

[winter osprey]

I feel like the free space is good as like a visual display of how much of the disk is free compared to how much is currently taken up. So I think you should leave it in there.

[arctic quarry]

I love that Slopya looks like a legit name

[brisk hamlet]

I can’t be the only one who was excited after installing their first smart switch and toggled it until lights went into pairing mode right?

[high remnant]

well you are

how bout that!

[stiff smelt]

I do remember being excited about having motion sensors giving dumb useless statistics without enough smart things to control.

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/7-v5g_X0bpM?si=MkIobkQd4QhPpvVu

[molten apex]

just gotta say home assistant is one heck of a awesome project

this weekend i migrated off a rpi4 to a proxmox vm. used the backup recovery process, and it was super smooth. i migrated off my SLZB-06 to a SLZB-MR3U, also super smooth. got Thread working, not quite as smooth.. and finally got music assistant, snapcast, spotify and home assistant all talking together for super slick multiroom speakers! this was also not quite as smooth as i'd hoped

i have 132 devices and 30 automations so far 😅

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[atomic delta]

I need to get a thread device at some point just to verify my thread setup works. There was an oddity in flashing the OTBR firmware, so I'm paranoid. Especially since ZHA keeps trying to get me to add that adapter as a Zigbee device.

[stuck mortar]

I can’t decide whether to be happy that my sole thread device can connect from a HomePod mini through a printer, window screen, across the yard, and through a metal wrapped door…. Or annoyed that it goes unresponsive every now and again

[stiff smelt]

be both

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[stuck mortar]

If apple and eero would adopt the network merge spec I would have wonderful coverage, but I don’t do Alexa so the eero thread network is just disabled.

[stiff smelt]

To me apple is not known for its willingness to adopt, lol.

[stuck mortar]

That lock was a lot more stable in the past but the magic radio frequency ley lines shifted and suddenly started going offline

I may just switch it back to WiFi + mqtt and put matter out of my mind until it’s actually widespread

[stiff smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05SAcDT8xLw

I'll be first in line when that releases. That's everything i ever wanted from a device right now.

[tough obsidian]

How do I delete devices / Entities ? I lost my thread network and repaired the stuff on a new network, but now I need to get rid of the dead devices

[forest edge]

if it was zigbee + zwave i would beeen excited but since it's thread.. hard pass lol

[molten apex]

I'm just happy my sole thread device connects through my thickest brick wall! Seems better than Zigbee through the same wall

[stiff smelt]

Id prefer zigbee too, but since its moving to matter, a thread router wouldnt be a bad addition.

Also its wifi7 and multiple 2.5ghz ports

[stuck mortar]

RF is magic. Best not to ask too many questions

[molten apex]

Hehe yeah

Two of my Phillips hue bulbs was also causing too much interference on my SLZB-06 one day.. was the day i restored from backup, and the Zigbee network got a little angry

[forest edge]

just runa pass thru antenna

[molten apex]

So I literally had to turn them off to rebuild the network

[forest edge]

weird how that works

[molten apex]

It's crazy how you can just shake s thing fast enough and it'll vibrate something else somewhere else the same way

And then we can make sense of that vibration

[hoary canyon]

Are any Suzi Zigbee devices out yet

I’m looking forward to that

(The Zwave equivalent in Zigbee 4.0 basically for those who don’t know)

[forest edge]

don't think zigbee 4 will be out within our lifetime

[hoary canyon]

probably will be a long time

Reminds me of MoCA 3.0

was supposed to come out years ago

[stuck mortar]

eero has theoretically included thread since 2017. I’m sure it’ll be usable someday!

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-waiting-forever-waiting-for-you-it's-been-84-years-meme-gif-3221316472416716605

[vivid wraith]

well the audio spectrum of my fan suggests it’s an ac motor

so I guess I can use the innovelli module

now to figure out how to remove fan

[unborn merlin]

only got that from the act man.. he probablt wasnt the frist but hey. 😛

[hoary canyon]

If it has a remote, and is more recent it’s probably a DC fan. If you have two switches controlling the fan, it’s definitely an AC fan. Although, you can use AC fans with a single switch.

should be able to look up the model and find out for sure though

[vivid wraith]

if it's original to the house then it's 2009, but every room with a fan has one switch controlling it and one switch that does nothing so maybe it was a retrofit

yea gotta buy a ladder first lmao

[hoary canyon]

Could try to use Google Lens

just snap a picture of it.

Might give you a baseline

but most fans from that era will be AC

[vivid wraith]

🔎

god damn it

[scenic radish]

Wat

[vivid wraith]

I need a ladder 🙂

I found it ! https://www.lampsplus.com/images/productassets/3c61e2b8-8a01-4ae9-b4d3-124a025baa2d.pdf

[stuck mortar]

Trying to find a modern fan that I can control locally has been the bane of my existence for the past week due to the prevalence of DC fans

Wife’s grandmother asked “do you really need a fan there?”…. No we do not

[stuck mortar]

Inovelli that sucker

I did the zigbee one for the fan in my office and have been happy. Added the fan light to a group with Hue recessed lights and have them all on a single dimmer

[vivid wraith]

oh god am I reading this right that the receiver module is in the part next to the ceiling and not in the fan?

[forest edge]

I wouldn't look for a prebuilt one with control in the fan even if they were all over the place. dropping cieling fans to address issues is a pain in the ass.. always control at the switch

lutron use to make canopy modules that you would have to install at the cieling fan connection and I hated having to deal with those when one would burn out or whatever

they eventually figured out how to skip the need for the canopy

[stuck mortar]

Yes you should be able to remove the canopy cover without removing the fan itself

[vivid wraith]

I said oh god because I have one 30 feet in the air

lmao

[stuck mortar]

Need an AC fan for that, and manufacturers are moving heavily to DC for reasons. You know there’s something wrong when “includes remote” is a fEaTuRe

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/rbg-dont-die-reminder-gif-12607144

[vivid wraith]

so will the innovelli provide light dimming and fan speed?

[stuck mortar]

Yes

[forest edge]

thats my point.. any fan that dosen't have "features" should still be ac

[stuck mortar]

Having trouble finding those in the style we’re trying to match

Hence bane of existence

[ocean oar]

I still want to get a Big Ass Fan™, as much for the memes as the quality of the product

[vivid wraith]

wait

so given the year of this

the seller of my house replaced all their fans to sell the house and already lost one of the remotes?

https://tenor.com/view/really-bruh-blink-blank-face-gif-9334898104617218757

[ocean oar]

F

[vivid wraith]

so do I put the innovelli dimmer or fan speed thing at the existing switch that turns it on and off?

[scenic radish]

Definitely do not put a dimmer there unless you want a fire

[forest edge]

if the fan is controled via remote what does a hardwired switch do?

[vivid wraith]

right now there's one hard wired switch that turns the whole thing on/off, and another switch that does nothing in each room

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/pMuVm1Y669U?si=W9Q1UJ6VCBtSlIp_

[stuck mortar]

And this is why any fan needs to have local control capabilities

[vivid wraith]

the innovelli website help bot is hallucinating products lmao

[static schooner]

They do that themselves.

Think of a crazy project and assign people to look into it

[stuck mortar]

Dimmer if you have a dimmable light. Canopy module gets power 100% of the time, dimmer put in smart bulb mode. Bind per instructions

Ie bypass the switch

[vivid wraith]

I think all three switch types (fan/dimmer/on/off) all have the same capabilities in smart bulb mode so it doesn't matter which one I get

[stuck mortar]

I have the button set up for single/double/triple tap for fan control since it’s not used that often

[vivid wraith]

unless I'm missing something

[stuck mortar]

🤷

[ocean oar]

Over the holidays (noting southern hemisphere summer) we were staying in a house where the only cooling in the entire house was one shitty ceiling fan.
It had the traditional three settings;

1. barely moving
2. almost acceptable
3. way too fucking loud

[stuck mortar]

I got the dimmer one is all I know

[vivid wraith]

yeah, I wonder if i can bind the second unused switch completely wirelessly to just control the fan

[stuck mortar]

I think you mean 1) kinda ok, 2) bit loud, and 3) trying to reach low earth orbit

[vivid wraith]

I was hoping to replace the bulb with a smart bulb too but it looks like this fan has an "LED module" instead

[stuck mortar]

I think so

In the sense of two switches bound to two functions? I think so

[vivid wraith]

ye

https://www.lampsplus.com/images/productassets/3c61e2b8-8a01-4ae9-b4d3-124a025baa2d.pdf no smart bulb for me ig

[ocean oar]

Peak design too, chrome and transparent:

[stuck mortar]

The zigbee module can. Matter I don’t know

[stuck mortar]

That looks like a mechanical dragonfly

[forest edge]

plastic blades

gross

[hoary canyon]

DC fans are nice because they go much faster but local control is tough

Most of the smart ones I’ve seen use Tuya which can atleast be firewalled and used with Tuya Local

but it’s Tuya still 🤮

[stuck mortar]

It looks dimmable per the manual, so the dimmer wall switch looks perfect? Unless you want a separate “fan” switch which is still fine assuming you want the canopy module

[vivid wraith]

oh where are you seeing that

what pg

[stuck mortar]

Remote appears to have dimming capabilities. You can also disable dimming on the inovelli canopy iirc

[hoary canyon]

Can’t you just unhook the remote box if it has one, and use switches for the dimming and one for speed control

it looks like you could since it has a separate wire for light and motor

We have Z-Wave dimmers on the fan lights and a Z-Wave fan speed control switch on the motors

[vivid wraith]

oh shit it DOES dim

[forest edge]

this convo sounds like a prelude to a house fire

[hoary canyon]

As long as you aren’t putting a dimmer on a motor or DC fan you’ll be fine lol

Worst case if the light can’t dim and you put a dimmer on it usually it just flickers like crazy and there’s obviously an issue

[stuck mortar]

Yeah if you have two hots in the canopy and both available at the wall then two switches is great

[hoary canyon]

I think he said he has two switches but the last owner wired the fan motor/light together to only one

so could easily rewire it and install switches to control the loads

[stuck mortar]

Easy peasy chicken dinner

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/elected-to-lead-not-to-read-the-simpsons-president-schwarzenegger-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-16361128

[vivid wraith]

ok I ordered 4 canopy modules and dimmer switches but ig all the dimmer switches will be in smart bulb mode for the canopy modules

[high remnant]

https://iwillnotbuynitro.com/u/actual-easy-basic-australiankelpie.png Anyone want sum washer fluid?

[forest edge]

is that like a OCD thing to use all but the last 20% then open a new bottle?

[high remnant]

No. It is an "ugh notification its low let me get some while getting fuel"

and forgetting I have some at home

[forest edge]

maybe you should combine them and keep it in your car

[high remnant]

I'd rather not

they do leak if unlucky

[forest edge]

so put them in a better container

[high remnant]

meh

just combine them and put them in the tank :D

[forest edge]

and they shouldn't leak..

not sure what dutch plastic is tho

[high remnant]

its just plastic

they're 2L tanks and iirc the washertank is also 2L but it triggers earlier

so audi just needs to increase the tank to 2.5L!

o its 3L

[forest edge]

just run a fish tank hose to the bottle and bypass the tank

[unborn merlin]

power efficiency to hilarious degrees?

[high remnant]

Sir this is an European car. It will throw a fit

[unborn merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0RZR8F84Gk

S'almost like using technology from this generation instead of ancient bullshit is more efficient. weird! /s

[steel pumice]

lead?????????

[minor bobcat]

Solder?

[steel pumice]

oh

why did i forget that exist

[minor bobcat]

Just don't lick it

[steel pumice]

aw i wanna taste the honey of the zig bees

[unborn merlin]

I mean.. probably not lead solder if its a sold product.. ROHS and all.

[cosmic umbra]

The Green box will arrive today, what yt tutorial do you guys recommend?

[gloomy forge]

I recommend whatever video recommends 40hrs of fucking around and finding out

[cosmic umbra]

perfect

[stuck mortar]

I’m happy to get the power efficiency, I’m not happy to be able to control a fan solely with a crappy remote or a cloud app whose privacy policy explicitly allows for sharing my home address

Remote has speeds 1-6 for fan. Want to turn the fan off? Screw you, light turns off too. Want to dim the light? Screw you, have to go all the way to full brightness first.

[forest edge]

most ac fans are less than 1amp, dc could really only ever be half that BUT not if you go and include "features" then it just bumps that right back up

[vivid wraith]

Oh hey HA OS 17 is out

🤔 now to figure out the most straightforward way to run a shell command

[vivid wraith]

Migration started wheeee

[vivid wraith]

Okay updated and storage driver migrated :^)

I wonder if this deleted the overlay2 folder

[vivid wraith]

🤔 one of the commits mentioned it was necessary but not if it got updated to do it automatically lmao

[mental peak]

What's the difference between these two Shelly switches? I'm unsure which to buy https://www.amazon.co.uk/Shelly-1PM-Mini-Gen4-Automation/dp/B0F9LJYSQS and https://www.amazon.co.uk/Shelly-Mini-Gen4-Automation-Certified/dp/B0F9LFNFMQ

[static schooner]

#1284966353798697001

[atomic delta]

PM has power monitoring

Ah, right. My bad.

[mental peak]

Same price. I'm buying power monitoring version then, thanks. 👍

[fallow galleon]

tonight will be the real test for the noaa aurora integration 😂

[vivid wraith]

I think this is the first severe solar radiation storm in my lifetime

(nb NOT geomagnetic)

[lapis bolt]

Has anyone else had any problems with the SLZB-MR1U?

The PoE on mine stopped working

[heady zealot]

Been a while since I've been in here. Where do I report bugs?

I got a yale zwave lock that when I lock it, it flips it to "lock" again.

[iron granite]

#find-support

[heady zealot]

K.

Thanks.

[silent dove]

Want to see what issues are open (or were open and are now closed)?

• The core (backend) - for HA itself, and integrations
• The frontend (UI) - for cards and display issues
• The Supervisor
• HAOS
• The documentation

Don't forget to check for any alerts

If you think an upgrade broke something then:

1. Downgrade to the previous version to check if it works correctly there
2. If it does then change the logger settings for that integration to debug
3. Upgrade to the new version again
4. Look in the logs for errors
5. Open an issue, following the template provided and including the log information

[heady zealot]

Yea. I'm not sure which update screwed it up. I did HAOS and HA updates.

#find-support

[heady zealot]

Looks like something else went wrong. I rolled back and it's still doing it.

[iron granite]

If it is just the lock, you are having problems with, create a post in #1284966617670881350 with the "Z-Wave" tag. Might be a device setting.

[heady zealot]

Just started doing this. It's weird. The lock is saying it's unlocked when it's actually locked.

Not sure if zwave js will tell me anything.

[48-98-0-currentMode] Current lock mode
[255] Secured

[48-98-0-doorStatus] Current status of the door
open

Status of the door open???

But JS does say lock secured. So somewhere some part of HA got confused.

[iron granite]

No support in this channel. Create a post in #1284966617670881350

[forest edge]

wonder how far we are from sites charging fee's just to use them. like bank sites etc

[arctic quarry]

pretty low risk of that happening I think

unless you mean in the SaaS sense bc that's obviously already a thing

[forest edge]

I think you underestimate the greed of the world.

[arctic quarry]

probably not, but I'm curious to hear what you mean exactly

like, "pay per login" kinda stuff?

[forest edge]

as my example for banks.. such as using currency. they charge fees to use checks, credit cards. many banks tack on fee's if your account is below a certain amount.. just to name a few of things that already happened. heck many companies charge for paper copies of bills. I wasn't just refering to banks though

any site that gets used frequently could potentially tack on a charge

new sites charge

news

[arctic quarry]

oooh you mean rent seeking

yeah I mean, that's just how companies do, right?

line must go up

-- we won't sell your data
-- sir, the line isn't going up fast enough
-- SELL ALL THE DATA

[high remnant]

yay capitalism

sort term profits over long time succes

[forest edge]

I installed crunchyroll last night to check out one show.. they locked the first episode behind a paywall rotf

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/piracy-its-a-crime-downloading-pirated-films-is-stealing-stealing-is-against-the-law-piracy-pirate-gif-17458583741358917570

[lapis bolt]

Only if you get caught

[high remnant]

i’ll never get caught lol

[lapis bolt]

That’s the spirit 😉

[high remnant]

Lawmakers are trying to crack down on VPN-usage and torrenting but good luck with that lol

Mostly due to pressure from football or sports enterprises

https://tenor.com/jB3CQQjsZvF.gif

[minor bobcat]

My server speaks dutch as well 😉

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/nun-you-know-what-you-did-waiting-strict-gif-15635881

[high remnant]

frommer doesn't mess around now does it?

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/nCIMpS7skOX.gif

[iron granite]

I think you used up today's profanity quota.

[high remnant]

with the iconic gif of Dereck?

worth it

https://tenor.com/xE0D.gif

[lapis bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-26713413

[forest edge]

warms my heart to see 2TB ssd's are well over 200 bucks now while 4TB HDD's only went up by like 20 bucks in the last 7+ years

[lapis bolt]

In HDDs we don’t trust

[gloomy forge]

i think i fell into their trap, gonna see if the moisture and temp sensors are total trash or somewhat useable

worst case uh... 15€ down the drain

[vivid wraith]

Ugh I think I need to replace these ecobees, they just aren’t reliable for some reason

[crisp oriole]

Using a stolen font???

[pseudo nexus]

Hello guys, sorry this is probably not the right channel but if I just want to ask some stupid beginner questions about HA where should I be?

[weak finch]

Just curious where this fits in with y’all?

[crisp oriole]

#find-a-channel #find-support

[weak finch]

command_line: 
  - sensor:
      name: Count Lines of YAML
      command: "find /config/ -name '*.yaml'  | xargs cat | wc -l"
      scan_interval: 3600
      unit_of_measurement: "lines"

[forest edge]

whats the point

[weak finch]

There is none

[dawn badge]

lol, that's great 😛

[minor bobcat]

Beats scrolling to the bottom

[crisp oriole]

holy fuck.. i asked chatgpt to create a mcp that makes copies of websocker sensors to fixed sensors in mqtt so that they can be shown in s card when i ask info about a sensors in ha.

for example what is the tempare of the termostate and it shows the termostate in a card.

chatgpt in all its wisdome descided to clone all my entitites in HA to MQTT

[high remnant]

Instructions unclear I just removed all my YAML files

The first mistake was asking an LLM

[static schooner]

Couldn't you just use xargs wc -l at the end?

[forest edge]

can never have too many copies

[acoustic hare]

only home assistant could have a bug where sunset means sunrise until you reboot the machine. Anyone ever run into weirdness w/ the sun trigger?

[iron granite]

No. We are not using Home Assistant.

[arctic quarry]

<@&330946878646517761> @worn bane is DM:ing crypto scam bullshit

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/bBZrD.gif

unfortunate timing

[arctic quarry]

lol

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/smoofers-raccoon-cotton-candy-loss-crypto-gif-21664188

[iron granite]

#1284966582375813201 might know more.

[hazy kindle]

I got a Drayton Wiser Smart valve for my radiator, supposedly the premium brand for it

but man its a bit unresponsive in HA

[weak finch]

🤷‍♂️ a friend posted what he did and I ran it by AI with the same suggestion.

[static schooner]

meh, yours is better. Mine has more output that needs to be massaged

[last cedar]

Worst gif in the world omg

[acoustic hare]

so I asked in #1284966582375813201 about why my sunset automation is triggering at sunrise here https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1463208418687848786
I just did an upgrade from 2025.12.5 to 2026.1.2
Is there a way to see if there was a bug in that version?

[static schooner]

please stick to that thread, don't repost elsehwere

#rules

should have been in #1284980040940912641

Rule 7
Use the correct channels or threads for your messages. If there's a better place for the current conversation then use it, and don't post or link to the same thing in multiple places. Also check the description in each channel before posting, as extended rules may exist for that channel.

[gloomy forge]

alright, so far one PITA of going from a NUC running HA at my parents' place to the new Green at my GFs and my flat is the compilation time of esphome

like wow it's slow, i need to figure out how to run that locally

[dawn badge]

yeah that is gunna be a thing.

[gloomy forge]

doesn't look too hard to do locally

so could be worse^^

[static schooner]

you can run the ESPhome builder anywhere, doesn't have anything to do with HA

[glacial knot]

Yea, I don't even try to have them on the same node on the cluster

[gloomy forge]

yeah it was just convenient to have it on HA

[neon hawk]

I run it locally so I can leverage the power of my desktop CPU and RAM not my main HA machine

i can compile and flash an ESPHome device in less than 30 secs

[static schooner]

My NAS is actually the most powerful server currently running in my house :). I should put it there

The best test for me is how long it takes to build a Voice PE image

TF-lite is a stress test for sure

[neon hawk]

i have 12k lines of code in my DIY voice assistant - my machine smashes the compling in less than 1 min

the voice stuff is not the heavy lifting - LVGL is!

[static schooner]

last time I tested, the best I could get locally was like 3-4mins for the stock voice PE firmware

the bigger issue is replicating it for many of the same devices. It rebuilds everything over and over

the voice PE firmware YAML is currently broken, though, until Kevin updates one of his branches

[lost valley]

i've already figured my way around it, but why don't we have a iso for HAOS, just the disk image?

lack of a installer script?

(don't want support, but more of a chat)

[dawn badge]

there is no installer for HAOS, you just flash the imagine to the boot drive.

that's just how its done for now.

[lost valley]

ye

i'm wondering why

the img is already being provided

there could be a simple script to basically do the current manual process

orrestoring the disk image

in my case, for example, im running on a very minimal resources proxmox host. couldn't really get ubuntu desktop going (or, at least, it seemed to hang) but could xubuntu. with only 1.5GB ram i wan't sure how xubuntu would deal with downloading the image. so i had to mount a smb share with the image on it to do it. not that straight forward really

but with an iso containing the image, that's not really a problem

[dawn badge]

if your on a promox host then i font get why you would be booting another os to install haos on a vm...

[lost valley]

There's probably another way ye

[dawn badge]

you spin it up from the qcow2 file.
or
use the helper script.

[lost valley]

Or, so there's a qcow2 file

I'll look into that, but that's besides the point

[dawn badge]

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/alternative/

[lost valley]

I'm really just wondering why HAOS does it different from everything else

[dawn badge]

HAOS really is a bare bones OS, its "just enough OS for home assistant"

Frenck was working on an "installer" which included the ability to install on a proxmox host you logged in to. along with media flashing stuff too. was some talk of something bootable that could interact with it too. but not sure exactly if that will go anywhere or not

more details in #1443946263593746512 if curious

[lost valley]

oh, interesting

i'll take a look at that

[lone garnet]

I posted in hardware about this but its been a while and would like to get an order placed. I am looking for recommendations on bluetooth proxy. I specifically posted about the M5Stack Atom Lite and ESP-WROOM-32 or if there was something else that would be an option that I haven't come across.

[iron granite]

Please do not crosspost.

[silent dove]

Rule 7

Use the correct channels or threads for your messages. If there's a better place for the current conversation then use it, and don't post or link to the same thing in multiple places. Also check the description in each channel before posting, as extended rules may exist for that channel.

[lost valley]

what were the most minimal setups you guys deployed HA in?

mine doesn't seem to be enjoying 1GB of ram. lmao

[mortal walrus]

Probably better to start a thread over in #1284966540617449515 if you actually want some serious answers to that.

[weak musk]

The corpses of my enemies and also a rasp pi 4

[vivid wraith]

I kind of want to track my water and gas usage but I also hate battery powered devices

[atomic delta]

RPi5 with 8GB RAM and an NVMe SSD. Definitely not minimalist.

[vivid wraith]

Actually maybe solar would work for the gas at least

My water meter is under a stupid plastic manhole thing in the middle of my yard tho

[lost valley]

how much ram?

i'm actually not sure if i have more cpu than a pi 4

i allocated 1 core of a fourth gen i5

[weak musk]

4gig maybe? I have 4x that on my current setup.

[lost valley]

4gig ain't minimal

what you doing with 16 gig tho

[weak musk]

Assisting my home

[umbral flare]

I'm assisting it, and by "it", let's just say, my home

[lost valley]

what support forum should i use for cameras not integrating well?

[static schooner]

#1284966582375813201

[lost valley]

thx

[weak musk]

holy cow. Sony TV is going

https://tenor.com/view/bye-bye-bye-nsync-justin-timberlake-music-video-mv-gif-17888421

[vivid wraith]

yeah I've been trying to find reporting on it from a finance outlet so I can see what's actually happening

all the outlets keep saying it's the home entertainment business, which would imply they're selling crunchyroll as well for example

but I'm not clear that's actually the case

[forest edge]

not going anywhere per say just going to be majorly owned by TCL

[vivid wraith]

looks like it's Sony themselves that was ambiguous about it https://www.sony.co.jp/en/news-release/202601/26-0120E/

I'll try to dig up the TCL press release lmao

[weak musk]

it's just the TV brand

"bravia"

[vivid wraith]

oh is that in the TCL release?

the sony release doesn't contain any qualifiers, just that it's the home entertainment business

[weak musk]

https://www.theverge.com/news/864263/sony-tcl-tv-business-partnership-takeover-announcement

[vivid wraith]

that just links back to the sony release

[weak musk]

The new company is expected to retain “Sony” and “Bravia” branding for its future products and will handle global operations from product development and design to manufacturing, sales, and logistics for TVs and home audio equipment. Sony says that the partnership will leverage Sony’s picture and audio tech, brand value, supply chain management, and other operational expertise. This will combine with TCL’s own display technology, vertical supply chain strength, global market presence, and end-to-end cost efficiency.

[round crystal]

welp

home assistant broke on me finally

but a reboot saved it

[vivid wraith]

that's just paraphrasing one of the sony press release's paragraphs

[weak musk]

yep

and it callse out TVs and home audio

the entertainment brands have been under a different subsidiary for decades to my knowledge

[round crystal]

Also has anyone here actually gotten Thread to work?

[weak musk]

yes, #1284966617670881350

[round crystal]

I've never heard of anyone getting thread to reliably work for tem

[round crystal]

That's a lot of people asking for help getting it to wrok

I've barely gotten thread to work with HomePod Minis

I'm wondering if anyone actually uses it daily.

Zigbee has been rock solid

But Thread seems to be broken with everyone I know.

[vivid wraith]

okay I gave up and just pulled it up on bloomberg terminal

the bravia line is under " Sony Home Entertainment & Sound Products Inc." which is different from "Sony Pictures Home Entertainment Inc."

and the deal is presumably for the former

[round crystal]

What is a bloomberg terminal?

I've heard about them but never understood

[vivid wraith]

a software product sold by bloomberg (the company) that aggregates a bunch of finance data

it's just a data product, basically

[forest edge]

aka who cares cause it's all muddy water anyways lol

[vivid wraith]

it also has an instant messages and craigslist on it, but the craigslist is super cringe

[round crystal]

ty for explaining

well

time to automate my car :v)!

if Hyundai allows us to access the API anymore...

[stuck mortar]

Selling: one economy, slightly used

[round crystal]

I actually need to automate more stuff

I have 16gb of ram available and three automations

lmfao

[forest edge]

you would never have enough to utilize that much

better off adding cameras

[round crystal]

I know, I'm just glad I ignoed everyone here saying 8gb is overkill

ram is stupidly expensive and I can run other containers still

a lot of containers

[forest edge]

well that depends on more than just ram

whats the device?

[round crystal]

nothing I'd want to run is CPU intensive

it's a intel N150 iirc with 16gb of ram and 512gb of storage

runs ubuntu

[forest edge]

oh yea

[round crystal]

I'm a heavy sleepr

I should make my lamp slowly light up in the morning

[forest edge]

so I have a N100 with 16GB and i run HA and Frigate along with the other containers like Z2M etc.. HA and the other containers are a drop in the bucket but frigate will eat up more than half of the ram and cpu usage

[round crystal]

no cameras here

(condo)

I just want to darg my car into my automations and use my calendar as a trigger

[forest edge]

could try running a local ai

a small one

[round crystal]

I have a M4 mac mini for that

also 16gb

[umbral cliff]

darg?

[round crystal]

wat

[umbral cliff]

you said darg your car

[round crystal]

drag

[umbral cliff]

lol

[round crystal]

it's 11:30 at night

; - ;

ok time to automate my light.

deleted the automation that keeps making my bedroom cold in the morning by turning the heat off

Definitely need the heat. It's -27 with windchill

[umbral cliff]

thats insane

[round crystal]

that's normal

it's Canada

[umbral cliff]

Too cold

[round crystal]

it's -10 now

This is warm

shorts weather!

I was out in it this morning. -27 windchill in -15c weather

Puts hair on the chest

oh Texas is about to get inches of ice rain

They really wanna out do our famous ice storm

[umbral cliff]

This is far nicer
In celsius of course

[round crystal]

Canada is celsius too, idk how to read farenheight

Like is 90 hot?

@umbral cliff I need to sleep, but here's my province

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEKD6i5f5xs

This ice storm was a nightmare

Cars crashing, trees buclkling under the weight, power lines snapping

But it was so pretty.

[forest edge]

do you even get much snow anymore up there?

it's been nothing but a joke down here

yet apparently florida has gotten snow in places for the first time ever for the second year in a row

https://youtube.com/shorts/U9AE_rruv9E?si=r1qIRlwDhM-jIdPG

knew we been missing something in our lives

[gusty belfry]

man I got all excited installing android TV remote, but realized my TV doesn't do WOL and shuts off network on standby.

[forest edge]

so disable standby

just have your tv on 24/7

[gloomy forge]

Rippppp

I hate that so much

[gusty belfry]

IR blaster time.

[last cedar]

Your tv

https://tenor.com/view/nayib-yonki-brozo-gif-21674202

[gusty belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-hose-wake-upw-water-hose-get-up-rude-awakening-gif-17139873

Me activating the IR blaster

[steel pumice]

yay

[cosmic umbra]

What's a good weather Station to use with HA, that allows me to put temp readers in every room and log the data?

[young sigil]

#1284966353798697001 with the recommendations tag please. vAs per the channel description there is no support here.

[cosmic umbra]

Oh, okay. My apologies. I wasn't really looking for support or anything, just a quick question that came into my mind.

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/zlomowisko-antenna-signal-gif-14478204

[harsh raptor]

Is gpt-4o-mini still the goto for voice related convos?

[iron granite]

#1284966915055288530 can help.

[forest edge]

the shelly em mini gen 4 pricing is annoying. (through amazon) they want $25 it is capable of 16amp. the shelly 1pm mini which is 8amp is $20 while the non mini 1pm is $28.. it's $5 more for 8 extra amps and $3 less for no relay

[blissful horizon]

gen4 dimmer is what really shocking. 40+ eur for dimmer 😱

[forest edge]

don't think those are available here in the US yet

[blissful horizon]

In EU they are sold out most of the time anyway 🙂

[forest edge]

unless you absolutly needed zigbee i wouldn't even bother with the gen 4

gen 3's are way cheaper

and provide all the extra perks aside from zigbee

[blissful horizon]

feature-wise there is no alternatives for Shelly. Competitors like Sonoff ain't even close.

I personally has mixed experience with Shelly. I've got burned up badly by 1th gen capacitor issues.

[forest edge]

I never had an issue and I got tons of gen 1 both shelly 1 and 1pm's

[blissful horizon]

tldr; devices stop working properly over time because capacitors were low-quality/poorly engineered (voltage rating was lower than it should).

[forest edge]

mine are the UL versions though

[blissful horizon]

Also Shelly 1L 1th gen still has issue with LED flickering, even using neutral

fortunately 2nd gen+ most of these issues were sorted out

but 1th gen was a shit-show

I've moved away from Shelly because i've switched to Zigbee/Thread for my IoT devices (WiFi is not really well suited for 50+ small and slow devices), and i was really happy about Gen 4

[tidal bronze]

I doubt that

[robust flicker]

These New Englanders will poke fun at my accent when I pronounce coffee as "kawwfee" and then turn right around and call it "kwoffee" 🤣

[forest edge]

and why is that

[tidal bronze]

Barns are fire-proof

[forest edge]

more reason for the UL version at the time lol

[high remnant]

some accents simply need subtitles

[forest edge]

i do have 1 in the barn for the lights

and the temp

ugh i'm going to have to upgrade my ironwolfs to 8TB

299 a pop.. gross

[atomic delta]

I paid less than that for my 14TB external, and it's shuckable.

[last cedar]

Prices are crazy on RAM, HDD, SSD, basically all 3 letter abreviated things

LSD

CAR

H||ou||SE

AIR

In fact, the only reasonably priced things are 4 letter abreviations, like HASS

[atomic delta]

TLAs are getting government pricing. It's all over.

[high remnant]

egg, oil, brd, mlk

[atomic delta]

Martin Luther King is for sale?

[last cedar]

Wasn't he MLKJ?

[atomic delta]

Juniors generally have a senior...

[last cedar]

You sneeky little

I conceid that one

[stuck mortar]

One more mile, Frank! Keep up!

[last cedar]

Cat, dog, terrible