the-water-cooler

[solar zealot]

maybe, one would need to build it but you can skip a lot with templating and calling other things

[stiff smelt]

Data manipulation is the strongest part of node-red imho. I dont care what format i get, i can just modify to to what i need.

[solar zealot]

that would be mostly a trade of javascript to jinja2/python

[stiff smelt]

Yeah but this is one of about 20 of similarly complicated flows. 😛

Oh i guess python would work, but that's also not really simple natively from the UI is it?

jinja is used in node-red too.

[solar zealot]

it can do that for a while in the ui

at least for the common™ parts

[stiff smelt]

Ok ok, cool

An troubleshooting? If something doesnt work? I wouldnt even know where to start lol

[solar zealot]

you can run automations in debug but i havent yet tried how much you can do with that in comparson

[stiff smelt]

Alright.
I like that with node red you can just attack a debug node and easy find out what data is causing issues

[glacial knot]

Well, "in the UI"
The UI allows you to edit Jinja in yaml snippets 🙂

[stiff smelt]

Yeah that works in node red too 🙂

[stiff smelt]

Thats really neat

I love how well node-red is integrated though, you can literally do anything from node-red similar as in ha. Very nice.

[solar zealot]

the joy of homeassistant

[stiff smelt]

yeah

[solar zealot]

i enjoy the custom assistant triggers a lot

really allows you to stretch your mind on how things can be said

[stiff smelt]

I have not yet used those.

Have not had time to use the new assistant features really.
Planning on running my local LLM and using that to kick the assistant off.

[solar zealot]

that part works without llm even which makes it pretty fast

[stiff smelt]

Nice. i should look into it

I really wish they had a no-brainer speaker implementation ready

Do you use a smart speaker setup with your assistant?

[solar zealot]

no i just have the pe and that sounds, well

not that great ;D

[dawn badge]

VPE enjoyer here too 😛

[solar zealot]

i thought about wether you could pair some sonos stuff but id kinda want a proper voice assistant that also does great sound

like the echos

[dawn badge]

add a speaker and built it a house like I did - https://gist.github.com/MichaelMKKelly/5033dec56c5ab6ee6b7db52f690b84e0

[stiff smelt]

I wish i could see and hear this in real live.
Looks kinda promising.
https://raspiaudio.com/product/esp-muse-luxe/

[solar zealot]

i dont hate it, but i also dont love it

[dawn badge]

building something with a respeaker or sattelite1 board setup is a good option too because they have the XMOS chip.

[solar zealot]

hmm yea

[dawn badge]

using a RPI with an audio hat and some decent hardware along with THIS is an option too if you wanted to get fancy.

[stiff smelt]

Oh interesting

[dawn badge]

there's a huge bunch of options but it really depends on the use case. you don't need a super expensive setup to set a timer in the kitchen though. which is probably like 90% of voice assistant uses worldwide.

[stiff smelt]

Yeah but that's because google home doesnt do anything else reliably xD

Id like custom automations. Like id like to say to continue the dishwasher instead of getting out my phone to click the notification.
Its a hardware button too, but itd be nice if i could get rid of that.

But that linux voice assistant may be a good match. Id be able to feed that directly into node-red too 🙌

[dawn badge]

It using the esphome protocol is a great idea because it makes it so much easier to keep feature parity with the ESP based satellites.

[stiff smelt]

Yeah i noticed, neat

[pine lava]

can anybody look into this? https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/160241

[scenic radish]

@pine lava that doesn't really look like a Home Assistant issue. You'd be better off making a post here in #1284966540617449515

[pine lava]

ok

[hoary canyon]

Could also grab a used echo show for cheap, put the VACA app on it and link a music assistant speaker for music.

https://xdaforums.com/t/rom-unofficial-11-checkers-lineageos-18-1-for-the-amazon-echo-show-5-2019.4763475/

[solar zealot]

for cheap

😭

not gonna happen

[last cedar]

What do you need stealing, I will form the crew?

Doormats I hope, they are the speciality

[solar zealot]

ok nabu, put doormats on my raccoon list

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/power-wheel-cop-police-funny-funny-cop-gif-17537628

[hoary canyon]

They go for around $20

[solar zealot]

from what ive seen on ebay no

[hoary canyon]

Maybe they’ve gone up now… I got mine for $15 + shipping

[solar zealot]

its in the range of 40-70€ atm

[stiff smelt]

Yeah i checked too... surprised no reputable party jumped this boat yet.

[hoary canyon]

Yeah seems they’ve definitely gone up now

[solar zealot]

cheapest i see is in the uk but with imports thats not good anymore

especially how you can buy a great lenovo tab 10" for like 120

well, the tab one is also just 90

[hoary canyon]

Wow, cheapest one looks to be $40 for a show 5 now

glad I jumped on these when I did

I got like 2-3 echo show 5s and an echo spot for less than $80 total

[stiff smelt]

0_o nice

10 inch lenovo tab for 90 euro new. thats a neat deal

[hoary canyon]

The circular screen is cool

[solar zealot]

what the dawg doin

haha

[stiff smelt]

opportunity missed for a fitting round interface

[hoary canyon]

I tried some stuff

turns out it’s incredibly hard to make a round interface in HA

[frosty mulch]

Hey, I have a question. I’m new to Home Assistant and wanted to ask if the add-ons from HACS are safe, or if there’s anything I should be careful about, like with the Meross add-on…

[stiff smelt]

Yeah i can imagine

[hoary canyon]

Sleeping right now haha

[stiff smelt]

Make it in something else using the hass api to get the entities

[hoary canyon]

I’m using the view assist companion app to make it a HA voice speaker also so it’s a bit tougher

[stiff smelt]

Ahh ok

But maybe you can load that interface into home assistant using an iframe? 🤔

[hoary canyon]

I could but not really worth the effort for me

[frosty mulch]

Can everone answer me pls

[hoary canyon]

it’s just sitting in a home office that we hardly use

[stiff smelt]

Aww would be so much better

[solar zealot]

no

#find-support

[frosty mulch]

Its a nomal question beo

[solar zealot]

dont make me tap the sign :P

[stiff smelt]

#find-a-channel

We are not trying to be rude, thats just how it works here 😅

[hoary canyon]

I did make music interface with the help of AI @stiff smelt

the text scrolls across the screen also

[stiff smelt]

Oh nice

Thats so worth it

Id like one of those

[hoary canyon]

Think this was about $30

[stiff smelt]

what is it anyway xD

[hoary canyon]

Echo Spot (1st gen)

make sure you grab a first gen otherwise you won’t be able to install LineageOS (Android) onto it

[stiff smelt]

Nice, yeah i saw the firmware hack for the displays

I wished for a hack for the echo dots

[hoary canyon]

2nd gen dot has one

[stiff smelt]

Oh i should check what i have

[hoary canyon]

the 2nd gen has the plastic housing and black top

no fabric

[stiff smelt]

Oh 🙁

i have the fabric top

annoying vendors locking everything up

generating unnecessary junk

[hoary canyon]

think I’ve managed to get HA voice working pretty well with Gemini, just need to work on stability now

[high remnant]

hack one yourself

[stiff smelt]

I cant, im a system and network engineer, but thats something completely different

[high remnant]

yolo

[stiff smelt]

Yeah i follow some people that hack and the boot sequence validation these days is insane, im not skilled enough for that

[high remnant]

i haven’t done that in forever

[stiff smelt]

unfortunately, otherwise id be handing you cool stuff all the time

[hoary canyon]

Not to mention on newer devices like Samsungs they have “Knox” which trips and prevents things like touchless payments working

[stiff smelt]

So many protections these days, also not the funding to allow me to brick a few

[high remnant]

i mean it can be difficult but it is possible

[stiff smelt]

Id be more able to actually develop a good quality speaker myself, but i dont have the time to do that. I might if i finally get my 3d printer back up

I imagine an esp, a good quality amp, a good mic and some proper speakers in a custom 3d printed case would be more than sufficient.

Of course, there are already pre-made development boards with DACs and all connectivity included

I just hoped for something i could just throw cash against and get something working out of the box 😛

[minor bobcat]

Good sound has more to do with the enclosure than the amp really

[stiff smelt]

Hmm now im thinking of combining one of the ESP audio boards with this and build it into a proper bookshelf speaker.
https://www.amazon.nl/dp/B094W442DD/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B094W442DD&pd_rd_w=3rvet&content-id=amzn1.sym.73ad64c8-f512-47f1-9bea-61786ad9d9c0&pf_rd_p=73ad64c8-f512-47f1-9bea-61786ad9d9c0&pf_rd_r=34SFDXK5ESRZ1NYCG1PX&pd_rd_wg=3Tv2t&pd_rd_r=d92b47e9-45f4-4771-a3f8-b02d7a77f3b6&aref=QYFGHZ2Ski&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWwy

[stiff smelt]

Yeah thats where 3d printers are excellent 😄 they can even print complex internal structures

[minor bobcat]

A wooden box with some internal walls would be a great start already

[stiff smelt]

Yeah, hence the pre-build bookshelf speaker

[minor bobcat]

The danger of overcomplicating something that's so readily available is high

[stiff smelt]

I dont think getting an esp, and amp and a bookshelf speaker is overcomplicated?

[copper acorn]

So you can put the ikea kajplats matter lights into zigbee mode, don't do this if you have the colour lights. all colors are masivley off 😅 orange is yellow, red is pink, blue is cyan
the white temperatures are fine though.

[minor bobcat]

I thought about just ripping a nest audio apart and using the speaker + enclosure with an esp

[stiff smelt]

Thats the same thing lol

But with a shitty speaker

and no amp to drive said speaker

[dawn badge]

if your using an ESP for something with speaker and mic then you really need to have an audio processor chip otherwise you are gunna run into issues with it hearing itself etc...

[minor bobcat]

I like the sound of it for it's size. It would need EQ etc so definitely more than "just" an esp

[stiff smelt]

Yeah i was thinking about this board.
https://www.tinytronics.nl/en/development-boards/microcontroller-boards/with-wi-fi/ai-thinker-esp32-audio-kit-with-wi-fi-and-bluetooth

[minor bobcat]

I've seen broken ones for free or just shipping so that's a plus

[stiff smelt]

Im looking for something with more depth, the nest speakers are quite shallow. Makes voice sound better on low volumes though

Being able to pick my own speaker is a pro 😄

[minor bobcat]

I'm talking about the bigger one

[dawn badge]

it doesnt have an audio processor. the codec chip it uses looks pretty basic and doesnt have a lot of functions

[stiff smelt]

+Yeah i have not looked into it much further, if im going to do this is will be a project.

It did light a spark though

[dawn badge]

something like the ReSpeaker Lite gives you easy compatability and connections to do what you need. it also has a 2 mic array and a the xmos audio processor.

[stiff smelt]

Like, its not difficult to beat the general audio quality of commercially available speakers simply due to being able to make it larger lol.

[dawn badge]

can you do all the audio stuff totally custom? for sure but it depends if you want to go down that road

[stiff smelt]

I have some audio knowledge, not too extensive, but i can google 😛

[stiff smelt]

Nice thanks for the recommendation

[dawn badge]

one of the important things is that the audio processor filters what is going out from the mic. without it it will hear itself and you will likely get a bunch of false positives and false negatives on WW. and you have to totally silence output when talking to it instead of ducking.

[stiff smelt]

Yeah exactly, the amp is only making things worse

But its a fun project

And nothing is lost, because it still a great bluetooth speakeri n the end

[dawn badge]

I have built a couple of custom speakers out of some old pc speakers and stuff, they can be cool but you end up with random issues.

if your looking for super high quality speakers for music or something then perhaps look at that separately

[stiff smelt]

I have good speakers but those are attached to a heavy amp and are not very suitable for placement around the house

But the benefit of good speakers is it gives me the ability to have amazing multi room audio too 😄

[crisp oriole]

Oh chinees most populair app atm Im not dead. Where you need to press a button within 2 days or else someone checks up with you.

Because no one has social contacts

[stiff smelt]

im not even surprised

[crisp oriole]

Going to the feature request system.

[stiff smelt]

thats like, yeah makes sense

[static schooner]

Good thing we have automation

[stiff smelt]

but then again, even if you die in a busy street nobody looks out to you, so lol

[crisp oriole]

Home assistant can check your dead or alive. Do some real life check. And if dead your home assistant can inform your online contacts

[static schooner]

Ain't nobody got time to press a button

[minor bobcat]

No motion sensing for 2 days? Yep suckers done, message the landlord he can start renting to someone else

[stiff smelt]

Just ask the government, since anything you do, they know. They know you died. they just dont care

china is such a badly managed country, poor people

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-office-politics-political-deangelo-gif-24986051

[forest edge]

Musk

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bird-casual-rare-animal-silly-cat-gif-656768315369981703

[vivid wraith]

I can’t install my klippbok today bc someone stole the AAA battery package from Amazon at 6 am, 5 minutes after the person delivered it

https://tenor.com/view/really-are-you-kidding-me-got-to-be-kidding-youre-kidding-me-seriously-gif-6521278384595665157

But they also went through my mailbox so I can report them to the postal inspection service too :^)

[forest edge]

what you get for buying something called klippbok

[static schooner]

maybe they paid some bills

like the people who go around putting money in parking meters

[stuck mortar]

Anything is multi room if you make it loud enough

[hollow glacier]

https://www.9news.com.au/national/parcel-service-sendle-ceases-operations-in-australia/3744ab01-386d-45fa-a37b-deac2de7615d we got cucked by Sendle.. we were using them exclusively in Australia and Canada

[forest edge]

maybe they were overrun with spiders

[vivid berry]

Does anyone use mmwave sensors and have one they recommend?

[hollow glacier]

never heard of them

[minor bobcat]

Maybe he'll get one through sendle

[hollow glacier]

I’m just kidding I work for Apollo automation we sell mmWave sensors

What are you looking to detect?

I.e. still motion in a bathroom or bed or a living area

[vivid berry]

I'm not sure if they're the right solution for me. I am looking for motion sensors for my alarm system in my house, using Alarmo.

I have a dog so I can't just detect general motion unless a motion sensor has pet immunity.

[hollow glacier]

You can pretty much use any occupancy sensor for Alarmo including mmWave sensors

Oh yeah that would be a big issue

Honestly short of cameras in the house I’m not sure of a great solution there

[vivid berry]

Well, I do have cameras! That's what I'm using currently.

I have a number of Ubiquiti G5 Flex throughout the house on person detection.

There are some false positives, but not many.

So I guess I may have the best solution for now?

[hollow glacier]

I think so honestly

You could maybe train a frigate+ model to be more accurate but prob not worth the energy

[vivid berry]

I need to find decent glass break sensors too. Not sure how reliable they are.

[tidal bronze]

Glass break?

[vivid berry]

Yeah, preferably audible.

[tidal bronze]

It's been some time since I heard "glass break sensor"

[static schooner]

I had them in my first house back in 2000, but I haven't thought about them since. The web claims that they tend to be inaccurate and are prone to false alarms, and to focus on motion detectors (which is what I do)

[still wigeon]

whaaat

the wake-on-lan: part in config can't have more than one?!?

[static schooner]

#1284966582375813201

And no idea what you're taking about

[still wigeon]

Not here for support just a weird discovery which may have been me being a spas

[static schooner]

It's wrong, and support

[still wigeon]

Again, not looking for support thanks!

[static schooner]

What you said is not accurate

[still wigeon]

As I already said I figured that

[weak musk]

Fight with the mods, I’m sure it will end well.

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-eating-popcorn-keith-morrison-dateline-snl-gif-25666169

[still wigeon]

Hardly a fight? He's saying i'm doing something I categorically am not

[young sigil]

Using Cunningham's Law is support.

[still wigeon]

Crazy that took you like 5 mins to google and find the name of

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/fonzi-happy-days-gif-20692158

[still wigeon]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExaGZrdWdxdTNsNDRmeWRra3pueWUycmY3MnVmZmJuYzczYzcza2ZyeCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/rWq6jZ0yNkMit0VfoW/giphy.gif

[vivid berry]

Yeah, I just don't know how to detect intrusions at night. I often wake up at night to let the dogs out so a motion sensor works trigger the alarm unless I remember to disarm (very unlikely) or set a delay.

[atomic delta]

Must suck being somewhere you have to worry about burglary. I live somewhere I don't even have locks installed on all the exterior doors and it doesn't matter.

[forest edge]

now tell them where that somewhere is

[atomic delta]

Nevada. I'll leave it at that :P

[forest edge]

yea so till the day lizards start robbing people you are kind of an exception

[atomic delta]

To be fair, I have lived where I needed locked doors always. Just isn't the case here.

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-opening-the-door-raptor-door-gif-16288765

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-donald-duck-desert-sweating-tired-gif-5119040

[warm helm]

I highly doubt that.

[atomic delta]

Okay, doubt away. Still hasn't mattered that we don't have locks on the outside doors for... 28 years?

It's a big house in a rural area down a sparsely populated road (all 5 acre lots I think) with a clear view of the main highway. It's not really the sort of place people look to break into.

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/let-the-heist-begin-andy-samberg-jake-peralta-brooklyn-nine-nine-lets-do-it-gif-16913380

[scenic radish]

Yeah, supposedly thunder can trigger them

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-earthquake-tremor-shaking-worried-gif-16077054

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-thunder-gif-12003010808141082270

[atomic delta]

Lethal boobytraps are illegal. Non-lethal ones though... *starts building a quadcopter automation to send a swarm after intruders*

[forest edge]

even nonlethal ones are illegal

boobytraps in general

but you can shoot someone if they look threatning one your property

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-gif-17985395765206926662

https://tenor.com/view/jail-believe-it-or-not-believe-it-or-not-jail-parks-and-rec-gif-3275634010746838096

[dusty mica]

https://tenor.com/view/miss-piggy-jail-pacing-waiting-walking-gif-10319039747612782501

so no "Selbstschussanlage"

https://tenor.com/view/erich-honecker-honecker-ddr-east-germany-honecker-gif-27452374

https://tenor.com/view/vettel-in-wall-hit-the-wall-gif-11905373

https://tenor.com/view/jessica-simpson-gif-18377595

boobytrap

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[forest edge]

SETTLE DOWN NOW

ops caps heh

[dusty mica]

https://tenor.com/view/keyboard-caps-lock-press-gif-8936772

[stiff smelt]

A decent microphone can be very accurate. Not sure about the off the shelf stuff.

[stiff smelt]

Id see if its possible to easily recognize the sequence of you walking the trail to the door. If that pattern is seen, trigger a mute on those sensors. Until you trigger the one in your bedroom again.

[stiff smelt]

Assuming its very unlikely the burglar starts their journey from your bed 😅

[glacial knot]

I use a door closed sensor on my bedroom
Since I sleep with the door closed

[high remnant]

if you are bored you can finis my HA VA. I have all that I need still neatly in a cubby waiting for me to finish it

[stiff smelt]

Over the last 10 years my HA alarm system grew to something quite extensive 😛

[umbral cliff]

Why is there so much rubbish outside your bins

[stiff smelt]

Tons of snow, everything frozen had to move stuff, now its a mess.

The car seat is not rubbish btw 😛

Its not that much rubbish, a cardboard box that was frozen stuck. bunch of leaves and a car seat.
Oh that white thing is a board that will never fit in the bin so it lives there until i can get rid of it

[forest edge]

wtf is total alarm level? is that suppose to be like defcon?

[stiff smelt]

I use weights for different types of signal and the total alarm level is the sum of all

[forest edge]

weird

[stiff smelt]

e.g. Door opened: 10pts
Motion sensor: 1 pt
Camera person detection 5pts

Helpt with pets. Pets will not open doors, persons do

[forest edge]

so it is like defcon lol

[stiff smelt]

ye lol

But for individual sensors/events and they accumulate to a total level which i use for triggers

Works quite well, never have false triggers and as soon as you open a single door the alarm will trip. Or if a camera detects a person and few motion sensor are triggered.

At night, only the doors that will not be used during the night are armed.

When one of us gets out of bed, it will extend the alarm grace period to 2 minutes, sending only a notification to ignore or sound the alarm.

I hate false triggers

[unborn merlin]

... depends on the pets and door handle type...

[stiff smelt]

True, but that's under my control too 😛

My dog wont, otherwise it would become knobs quickly

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/Y5Gy.gif

[high remnant]

I have 3 bags in my basement LOL. Its been waiting there for me to drop it off. All of the underground trashshutes are full

[hazy kindle]

Am I correct in saying that Presence Detection for People/Users via the Companion App only works if you can access your instance outside the home?

(sorry if wrong channel, didnt feel it was "thread-worthy")

[unborn merlin]

I mean.. depends how your presence detection is setup exactly.

some based off wifi settings on companion app (yes obviously required it then) others on unifi-based on-wifi sensor (obviously not required..)

[hazy kindle]

yeah, i was thinking about the default presence associated with the app (i assumed was location based)

I'll just switch to Wifi presence via my router integration

[unborn merlin]

its all configurable.. but yes obviously if you expect the app to do its job entirely you need to use exposed instance in some manner. 🤷‍♂️

vpns also work for this.. ie tailscale or etc..

[hazy kindle]

yeah i use tailscale myself when i want to connect for a quick check/action on something

but i dont want to make my wife connected 24/7 to a VPN on her phone for good presence tracking (mainly for battery life concerns)

[stiff smelt]

Maybe an option: get a small linux vm in the cloud, set up a vpn for connection then host owntracks there.
https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/owntracks
Might be the best balance between not exposing hass directly and still get some isolation from the cloud.

[high remnant]

FYI this channel is not for support

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-commando-arnie-arnold-sus-gif-19215973

[stiff smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/none-of-my-business-awkward-gif-26775303

[high remnant]

you are in danger!

[hollow mural]

Where do I ask general questions about HA that aren't exactly "support"

[high remnant]

#find-a-channel

[hollow mural]

Was that... hidden?

[high remnant]

euh

lol idk

[hollow mural]

had to manually add it

So probably a role I didn't pick

[high remnant]

I don;t work here

[iron granite]

Sometimes Discord hides channels. You can adjust this in id:customize

[static schooner]

And 'General questions about HA' are still support

[solar zealot]

rule one of the water cooler

don't talk about the water cooler

[ocean oar]

But how will I get the community's opinion on UV-C sterilisation and expected filter lifetime?

[solar zealot]

This is made up nonsense taught by Big Light you are waffling

[ocean oar]

Side note: my cats get both of those on their water fountain. Am I a little mad that I would have to pay extra? Perhaps a little

[solar zealot]

Cats deserve nothing but the best

[ocean oar]

On the upside on the one I bought they made the pump inductively powered, so there are no wires going into the water tan

[static schooner]

That's pretty cool

most of the recent ones are all USB-powered now, but still need to deal with the wires

I have a love/hate relationship with pet fountains

many are a pain in the neck to clean

[ocean oar]

Yeah this is too, but also has a battery they claim will last about 6-8 weeks

Also (and this was a thing that finally convinced me to buy one), everything but the pump is dishwasher safe

[static schooner]

I used this one for many, many years, but it was a pain to clean: https://www.amazon.com/PetSafe-Drinkwell-Platinum-Fountain-Drinking/dp/B000L3XYZ4

my water develops a slime that clogs the filter and feels gross

[ocean oar]

Seems like it would require cats that want to drink from the stream, rather than from the bowl

[static schooner]

this slime: https://www.reddit.com/r/CatAdvice/comments/qila22/cait_water_fountain_slimy_is_this_normal_how_to/

[ocean oar]

This is the one I bought
https://petkit.com/products/eversweet-max-2-uvc-pet-water-fountain

[static schooner]

yeah, but they all like to drink from the stream

they can do both, though

[ocean oar]

The "you've introduced a new object into my environment" dance from the cats was hilarious though

[static schooner]

I'm not sure the "turn on the fountain when the cats approach" would be welcomed

somehow, all AI cats look like this:

it's in the uncanny valley of cats

[ocean oar]

One of our neighbors has a face-smashed-in cat in a delightful white/orange colour. Quite unfortunate looking creature

[dawn badge]

Proper investigations must be conducted, these things cannot be rushed.

[stiff smelt]

Keep them within 8m because?

[static schooner]

motion detection? no idea

[stiff smelt]

I think the hidden internal mic wont reach further. For clear audio you need one at least every 8 meters.

[static schooner]

that's a long way

[stiff smelt]

But why 2 devices within that range lol

I get that a cat should be

[ocean oar]

The water fountain only has Bluetooth, so if you want cloud business you have to have a second one of their devices within range

[stiff smelt]

A see, its the hidden mic thing

[ocean oar]

Considering the one thing it appears to be lacking is any kind of water level sensor, connectivity seems to serve no actual purpose

[stiff smelt]

otherwise why would they invest in the mics

name it smart, people will connect to it, overload them with permissions in the app and voila

[static schooner]

yeah, it's to ensure that the two devices are within BT range:

Control the device to monitor the water level and filter life remotely via bluetooth interconnection when you have at least one of the PETKIT products as a master device.

[stiff smelt]

yeh makes sense too.

Knowing my dog he would leave the golden filtered water fountain for what it is and sip from the first puddle outside that looks nasty enough.

[static schooner]

Clean water has no taste. It's like eating bland food

[stiff smelt]

Personally i do enjoy some tasteless water. But to each their own. It smells quite potent sometimes.

[stuck mortar]

Does the cat have any strong opinions on lasagna and/or Mondays?

[static schooner]

Name. That. Cat!

[forest edge]

Heathcliff!

[static schooner]

that's quite a throwback

Mel Blanc as Heathcliff

I'd completely forgotten about Heathcliff

[forest edge]

everyone does

[static schooner]

the superior cat prevailed

[simple gazelle]

In hindsight Cleo probably made quite a few furries 🤔

[ocean oar]

Found the picture

Also when anyone says "garfield" all I can ever think of is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw30UQoN8uI

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/head-bang-gif-4680729

Cute tho

[tidal bronze]

Google getting it on 😀 That was quick!

[forest edge]

? they always had that in the google home app

where have you been

[tidal bronze]

Not "describe what you want to do" and scheduled stuff

[forest edge]

so they added cheap google chrome style ai.. whoopty doo lol

you should type in there, "teach me about the real world"

[tidal bronze]

I did, " you know more than enough" it said!

[forest edge]

you sure it didn't reply back with, "Don't think your free california mind can handle the truth"?

[tidal bronze]

They all are born and raised in California, come on now. LMAO

You walked right into it OM

[forest edge]

some cali's escape you know

for every 99 crazies one sane is bound to occur lol

Has anyone tried Meowtalk app?

really curious just how gimmick that is vs something actuially trying to work

[tidal bronze]

Shhh, I pulled this out after ages.

[forest edge]

didn't you tell us you got rid of those?

[tidal bronze]

Had one left.

[forest edge]

pretty sure I remember telling you that you should have shipped them to me

[tidal bronze]

Quick money printing right now.

[forest edge]

don't tell you are printing minature labubu's

[tidal bronze]

2 more test prints and off to CNC

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/yyZWQ8q6l4M?si=yzHYsA3avw6CUFys

[warm helm]

AI needs to die

[forest edge]

but then @tidal bronze would have noone to talk too

[tidal bronze]

Nooooo

[forest edge]

its not like he can just ask anyone to tell him how the world is doing through a no negative or sad or anything that may be upsetting to him filter

Hey Google tell me the crime rate in LA without telling me there is any actual crime

[tidal bronze]

I can't go back from this!

[warm helm]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-bored-boring-die-suicide-gif-19713333

AI needs to go

https://tenor.com/view/meme-funny-funny-meme-meme-memes-funny-gif-102410066943631267

[forest edge]

"More folk music"

"Something with yodeling"

[tidal bronze]

That's what she said

[forest edge]

don't yodel your wife enough?

[forest edge]

seriously.. they are going to keep this going for the whole year? lmao https://www.youtube.com/live/f17J3AXVK5w?si=0vhPHeVD4eJBDPYj

[ocean oar]

That's a three-lines-of-coke marketing idea, right there

[unborn merlin]

coke.. lead-cheese-brain.. similar outcomes

[high remnant]

imagine you just revoked access from your CSP for Microsoft 365 😓

https://tenor.com/bYITE.gif

[steel pumice]

my ssd failed
looks like i gotta start from the beginning

wait thank god i have a backup

[gloomy forge]

i was rly hoping for that for you^^

[iron granite]

-# And the backup encryption key...

[steel pumice]

-# fuck

[iron granite]

I hope you downloaded the emergency kit (which contains the backup key).

If you downloaded the backup via the HA UI, it should be unencrypted as well.

[steel pumice]

oh right I did download it on my phone

since I never clean my downloads folder yeah 100% there's that

BTW here's a tcp joke from my old friend gpt 4o

yes. it's my friend.

[high remnant]

wait you guys create backups?

i just rely on raid

[solar zealot]

thats not a backup

[gloomy forge]

obligatory "you're part the reason that ram is more expensive now"

[dusty mica]

https://tenor.com/view/you-did-this-saturday-night-live-thats-your-fault-you-made-this-its-you-who-did-this-gif-20431295

[steel pumice]

aw fine :(

[gloomy forge]

i used to think it's somewhat fine but with the developments in the last year ish i try to rid my life from it as much as i can

i guess you could run an LLM or similar at home but even then the training data isn't reeeeeeally ethically sourced

[peak slate]

Not just ram prices, but power bills are up because of them and water availability is down

[stuck mortar]

Pasture raised training data tastes better than factory produced

[peak slate]

Microsoft just announced that they'll pay their power bills instead of making tax payers pay for it which I guess is something

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/01/microsoft-vows-to-cover-full-power-costs-for-energy-hungry-ai-data-centers/ which honestly is a hilarious sentence

If I didn't pay my power bill, it'd be turned off, if Microsoft does, it's just normal operating procedure I guess

[gloomy forge]

yeah it's a little uh

well

big tech do big tech stuff

[mortal walrus]

fwiw, it's illegal here for the power company to cut residential power due to lack of payment during heating season because of safety concerns… but if anything, cutting power to an AI datacenter makes it safer :)

[high remnant]

i’d applaud that

[forest edge]

I wonder what the 51st state of Greenland's flag will look like

[weak musk]

Rule 2

[forest edge]

keep trying

[weak musk]

trying what

[peak slate]

I feel like my state would cut power to a hospital if they felt like it

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/bdz7N.gif

[forest edge]

still be the warmest building around

[high remnant]

I really do hope that the hospital has backup power lol

[scenic radish]

Um, so I definitely just saw a speck of dust tumble down from the top of my display between the glass and display panel lol

[high remnant]

I mean the display ants will take care of that

[scenic radish]

I know it's not sealed but that was strange to see 🤣

[forest edge]

I mean it should be sealed enough

[static schooner]

I had a bad problem with that with an old iMac. I kept having to disassemble to wipe dust off the glass and panel

[dusty mica]

iDust

[static schooner]

Eventually it just stopped turning on and the problem was solved

[scenic radish]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-gif-23888293

"solved"

[static schooner]

I think it was designed such that the fan would pull dust into the display

[dusty mica]

iSuck

[high remnant]

that reminds me: I had one of those as well lol https://iwillnotbuynitro.com/u/early-oily-cheery-africanmolesnake.png

[static schooner]

Looks about like that, yeah

Old intel machine from 2010

[high remnant]

at the time I liked it but damn they suck

ye that tracks this is from 2011

[static schooner]

I'm waiting for it to disintegrate on its own rather than find a place dispose of it

🤞

[high remnant]

i mean the display is glued in

that might fail

[static schooner]

if I recall correctly, it was kinda taped in. And then there was tape around the display/glass module, and that was all connected to the motherboard with some flat cable

[high remnant]

yes that is correct

its more like a sticky rubbery kind of tape-ish thing

[static schooner]

and the connector for that cable on the motherboard was oriented to be connected horizontally, which meant that it was bent 90 degrees, and the attachment was kinda flimsy

I think I probably broke that connector after going through this a few times

[forest edge]

are these apple woes?

[static schooner]

from the past, yes

[forest edge]

last apple I owned was an apple II

[minor bobcat]

friend of mine had a 32" 4K Asus gaming monitor where flys would get in. He had like 3 stuck between the backlight and the Panel at some point

[static schooner]

I wonder what happened to my Apple //c and IIGS. Parents must have gotten rid of them many years ago

[forest edge]

wtf are these monitors that have gaps big enough to allow that?

I don't think I have ever owned one that insect could get in.. maybe microscopic ones

[minor bobcat]

Fruitfly

[forest edge]

in the back with the control board, sure. vents in back of housing but not between the display panel and glass/plastic

[dusty mica]

https://tenor.com/view/the-fly-jeff-goldblum-gif-7801670324359437849

[minor bobcat]

It was one of the early panels that were driven by two controllers with a cable each

[static schooner]

Google says that this is an ongoing problem

[high remnant]

oh nice there's an power outage in amsterdam lol

[scenic radish]

Amsterdamn

[dusty mica]

so no pickles from Kesbeke?

[high remnant]

ehhh probably

[sonic edge]

Am I just stupid or is esphome the worst thing ever? Like with tasmota I just go to Google and type whatever random stuff I want but I've never ever get something in esp home to work. Always some error because they updated some thing. I've never been actually able to install esphome to something

[scenic radish]

ESPHome is great

I do like Tasmota for many things though, mostly off-the-shelf devices

[static schooner]

There's definitely a skill issue there

I've been using the same configs that I created for devices that I built years ago and they continue to work fine with only minor changes from time to time

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-user-error-frostee-benson-luke-youngblood-fast-and-furious-spy-racers-user-error-gif-16620818

[sonic edge]

Tasmota kinda just works but it doesn't work well. Can't even have faster than 15 minute polling on a stupid smart plug

[scenic radish]

What are you talking about lol

I'm legitimately confused

[weak musk]

Seems like whatever he’s talking about would be better suited for #1284966582375813201

[static schooner]

Or the ESPHone server. But any concerns or questions should be phrased in a more constructive manner. The current one is just a rant

[fathom sparrow]

I think I've had one update in ~6 years

due to a board config change or a yaml change

but I tend to agree, esphome is pretty easy and rock solid

[static schooner]

You never have to update if you don't want to

I have less luck with complex configs that come from github coupled with aggressive updates to ESPHome, but the automatic update mechanism should address that

[vivid wraith]

Who farted

[ocean oar]

A smidge more than "farted" if you're measuring it with the particulate sensor

[vivid wraith]

Yee

[arctic quarry]

had zero issues with ESPHome. The docs, the Discord server and the LLM saturation is pretty damn good

so ymmv

[high remnant]

well i have had some issues but that’s mostly related to legacy Wemos D1 minis lol

[minor bobcat]

definitely not a beginner friendly thing though, change my mind

[arctic quarry]

ESPHome? yeah I mean it's legit nerdy, but I love that

[last cedar]

|| Sharted then I guess ||

[peak slate]

Pretty dang violently if it's aerosolized like that

[minor bobcat]

You'd think after I've worked with printers for 7 years it'd be easy to pick one for myself at home

I have to get some office clearance stuff, anything else is absolut trash

[ocean oar]

My printer came from work's e-waste 🙂 They'd have had to pay to dispose of it otherwise.
At some point in the near past someone made the call that only rented printers with service contracts would exist, and loose "personal" printers in offices were verboten.
So I now have an HP CP5225dn A3 colour laser (with network and duplex), which had a page count of only ~5500 and came with a set of new-in-box OEM colour toner cartridges

[minor bobcat]

That's really decent

I'd like something like that

I still have contacts to my ex-service partners. They don't do B2C but maybe they'll drop one off the truck for me

[ocean oar]

The only real downside is I wanted the accessory paper tray (to have A3 and A4 loaded simultaneously), but naturally for a model released in 2012 (even though the one I got is from 2017) those are no longer available new, and I am yet to find one available used that I wouldn't have to import myself

[minor bobcat]

You can get them new here for 150€

[ocean oar]

CE860A?

Welcome to living at the arse end of the world though. No stock left in NZ, and buying one on eBay with the "global shipping" option would cost MORE than they did locally when new

The worst bit is you find random storefronts listing them as in stock, but they're all just reporting an inaccurate stock level from the importer (I asked our account manager at one of the big IT chain stores to check for me)

[hoary canyon]

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/13229-Southview-Ln_Dallas_TX_75240_M97272-56068

crazy stuff

[dapper holly]

Which channel to ask a question?

[dawn badge]

look at #find-support

[forest edge]

even crazier is it's only valued at 1.5M. that is cheap

[stuck mortar]

I think it makes sense. Listing says it only has one bathroom.

[minor bobcat]

Great serial killer home

Tiled floor, probably decent sound deadening

[split acorn]

needing to replace my nspanel pro with something

does the lenovo smart clocks integrate with home assitant?

literally anything that can display a dashboard, want a commercial product maybe something older or used, thats reliable and works with HASS

[hoary canyon]

Not well

better off getting a used Echo Show 5/8 (Gen 1) or a Lenovo Thinksmart View

[split acorn]

alright ive heard of the echos

and those dont complain about not having Internet connection to the cloud?

do they gotta get like reflashed somehow?

[hoary canyon]

You install a custom ROM

[split acorn]

over usb?

[hoary canyon]

ADB yeah

[split acorn]

oh the echos run adnroid?

[hoary canyon]

Yes but the stock FireOS image is very limited

probably best to make a post in #1284966353798697001

ping me there and I’ll give the details

[split acorn]

nah i think that gives me everything i need

thanks

[sturdy glade]

hey folks, can anyone offer any advice on setting up blue iris/ frigate? (specifically, order for where incoming stream goes... frigate then rebroadcast to BI, or BI then Frigate?)

[hoary canyon]

Think you need to make a post in #1284966540617449515 or #1284966582375813201

not sure which one is best suited

[forest edge]

think I found decoy's YT channel https://youtu.be/XIAxGhGMFFA?si=v0vhGGiiLgNzklwf

[arctic quarry]

even has cable

[sonic edge]

Bruh, this battery is used up, I need another one, I can't use it anymore

Too many cycles

[last cedar]

Is there any other sort of shart, to be fair?

[steel pumice]

the delay is impressive despite it being a cloud based control

well looks like the container version works better than supervised

I'm just gonna move ig

goodbye supervised haos
ill come back if i need to

[iron granite]

Supervised and HAOS are two different things.
Supervised is HA with Supervisor running on Debian (not supported anymore) and HAOS is the dedicated OS (also with Supervisor) for HA.

[steel pumice]

o

didn't know that

[fathom adder]

gotta love sky having internet issues causing your ha server to go offline

[glacial knot]

How did you manage that? O.0

[fathom adder]

something is happening with the broadband in my area which has caused a internet outage

[glacial knot]

And you are remote? Or why does HA go down?

[high remnant]

hairpin maybe?

that would be my issue

[glacial knot]

What?

[high remnant]

if I access my homeassistant I technically get routed to the outside and back

[glacial knot]

Why do you do that?

[high remnant]

easier

HA is in the DMZ so its easier to go outside and back

[glacial knot]

Broken setup, huh

[high remnant]

why?

[glacial knot]

Because you cannot route internally when your external connection breaks down

[stiff smelt]

lack thereof xD

[solar zealot]

the joy of hostnames and simply replacing dns resolutions

[static schooner]

I prefer DNS overrides for local resolution

[high remnant]

you can

split dns but i didn’t do that

[static schooner]

https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/services/dns/resolver-domain-overrides.html

[urban viper]

Introducing the new 👂🏻 — Feedback category!

This is the space where channels will be added when we need feedback from you - the community - on new, major additions to Home Assistant, at the earliest stages possible. You can find this category between the 🛠️ — Support and ✨ — Community categories.

Check out #1461120418944385096 for the intent of the #1461119057079304315 channel. Coming with this is the #new-matter-server channel - check the pinned message to learn how you can get involved in Phase 1 testing of the new Matter Server!

Last but certainly not least, the #beta channel has found its new home under this category. Living under the Support category made a lot of sense for a while, but beta testing is never about receiving support - it's about getting feedback from you all about the functionality and stability of the incoming changes to Home Assistant. The latest message in the channel explains the move in a few more details. 👌

FEEDBACK DOESN'T EQUAL FEATURE REQUESTS
Please continue to leave Feature Requests on our GitHub Discussions.

As always, ping @Missy ✨ in #the-water-cooler if you have any questions around any of these changes. 😌

[static schooner]

or, in general, if you're lonely

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-gif-19390362

[tidal bronze]

Yikes

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/friend-spongebob-smile-want-gif-23862635

[high remnant]

it works pretty well lol

its just that I do not want to allow connections cross vlans

[tidal bronze]

DMZ? You have ports open in your router?

[high remnant]

Yes. But there's also stuff running there that is internet reachable

HA being one of them despine not being portforwarded. Meaning there is an tunnel to another point that allows for an reverse proxy

[dusty mica]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-gif-20237787

[glacial knot]

Just v6

[dusty mica]

Mod..

[high remnant]

I do not have IPv6 if that is what you are going for

[glacial knot]

Again, broken setup

[high remnant]

complain to my ISP

I cannot fix that

It is also not a broken setup if done purposely :P

[glacial knot]

From my work mail? 🙂

[high remnant]

sure

[high remnant]

https://www.odido.nl/service good luck

[dusty mica]

aiaiai

crappy hw

[high remnant]

it’s good enough for the costs lol

[dusty mica]

true.. but still annoying sometimes

[glacial knot]

You pay for ISP hardware?

[high remnant]

the alternative is KPN which is simply crap here

and no

[glacial knot]

You have ISP hardware in your home?

[high remnant]

yes

[glacial knot]

don't

[high remnant]

why?

it’s a 5G receiver?

[glacial knot]

Ohh, you are shafted either way

[high remnant]

why?

[glacial knot]

Though I have at least 3 devices I could retrofit for 5G easily

5G Internet at home

[high remnant]

it’s better than DSL

like 900 down 700 up better

[glacial knot]

Yea, DSL sucks

[high remnant]

so no i wouldn’t say shafted

[glacial knot]

Even docsis is better than DSL

[high remnant]

which i do not have either

i was supposed to be getting fiber but i am stil waiting sinds 2020 lol

[glacial knot]

Soon™

I've sign the order for getting fibre

[high remnant]

tbh conduit is already in place but the actual fiber isn’t

[dusty mica]

that again is Delta 🙂

[high remnant]

KPN also

KPN is working on it since 2019 and has sent multiple braindead people who come to the same conclusion

they want to use the “meterkast” but that is not possible so they note it in the system to only come back in six months to a year to repeat the same procedure with the same conclusion

[dusty mica]

lol

[high remnant]

(you’d either need to dig a tunnel in a dyke or take a jack hammer to our entrance, neither are a viable option)

[dusty mica]

Delta, first one could not handle a shovel, 2nd one would not fit physically into the kruipruimte, took 1 1/2 year to complete, still have ziggo though and no plans to switch to delta.

[high remnant]

yea it’s not even delta doing the digging but probably a supplier to the supplier

like someone who is contracted by BAM or something

it’s insane and i have decided not to care lol

[dusty mica]

yeah most of them have from toeten nor blazen a clear sight 🙂

[high remnant]

lmao

it may seem stupid but the 5G thing works really wel

[boreal zodiac]

Guh, adding 3R ZL1 bulbs to a ZHA with the Sonoff -P dongle is butts. pure butts. I'm just gonne order the -E dongle and then grind the -P into dust.

[dusty mica]

E... a P dongle

[static schooner]

I doubt that the dongle makes any difference

[boreal zodiac]

the -P is pretty notorious for having trouble with ZL1 bulbs, according to some posts I'm finding. No such problems with the -E, which uses the same chipset as the Nabu Casa ZBT-2. but the ZBT-2 won't arrive for two weeks, and I'm an impatient one.

I just placed the -E order, and the machine is already in motion to have it on my doorstep by 10:00am tomorrow.

3R smart outlets paired well, and i have one ZL1 paired, but I remember it was a struggle that took ~20 minutes to get done, and I never understood what combination of factory resetting the bulb and restarting device search on ZHA finally got the pairing to work.

And my 3R blinds paired okay yesterday. but I've spent over an hour on this box of ZL1 bulbs and I've just about had it.

[sturdy glade]

hey gents, where should i ask about frigate issues? (enabling coral causes frigate to crash... and im wondering if theres a way to tell if its the coral, the cable, or frigate)

[static schooner]

https://github.com/blakeblackshear/frigate/discussions

[sturdy glade]

Thank you for that @static schooner (sorry for the chime), second from top is similar issue to mine.

[split acorn]

okay but why that new update break all my scripts

now i need to vibe code them again

grr

[static schooner]

There are support channels if you actually want support

[split acorn]

no

just vibe coded

[forest edge]

AI is going to make everything so much more frustrating in the end. Right now access to it free is so damn convenient that when the day comes they put it all behind pay walls we're going to be so lazy or just flat out forget how to do the stuff we been getting so used to dumping on AI lol

[high remnant]

https://iwillnotbuynitro.com/u/unconscious-ideal-calm-antarcticgiantpetrel.jpg 😏

[stiff smelt]

As long as people are willing to give their personal information away, it will be free. Like any other otherwise expensive product like the entire google suite etc.

[forest edge]

ai in terms of google assistant, sure.. but not the more involved stuff like chatgpt

[stiff smelt]

Like, i didnt care so much about google having my info, untill they started using it to train their AI.
Since then im migrating out of it.

[mortal walrus]

yeah, kind of an unfortunate "but by then, it was too late" situation since they already have so much data.

[stiff smelt]

Yeah until now, they dont need to know anything that happens from now.
Happy to be with proton. Pay a buck, get end to end encrypted AI, mail, calendar, drive.

Just beware that one nature of end-to-end encryption means you can say goodbye to almost any API you want to use for integrations 😛

I still use my google drive for encrypted backups though, its a nice extra backup point.

[split acorn]

no more google photos or onedrive or google drive or icloud or instagram or snapchat cloud memories 😄

thats what ive cut, and im working on getting alternatives for google maps

[stiff smelt]

Proton drive actually has a google photo-ish alternative that suits me fine

[split acorn]

cloud is the cloud

[stiff smelt]

Nah, its end to end encrypted, proton cant access the data

Thats why there are also no api's, they cant see the data. there is notthing to get from an api

[split acorn]

encrypted in transit and at rest?

[stiff smelt]

Its slightly slower though, because everything will be decrypted on access, so do not expect all your thumbnails etc to be readily available

Yes

Its encrypted and decrypted locally on your machine

[split acorn]

thats what they say

[stiff smelt]

Trust is a thing

[minor bobcat]

My favorite story about Proton is they got raided by Interpol and wanted data about some of their users. Proton gave them unlimited access and Interpol got exactly 0 new information because Proton can't access that themselves.

[stiff smelt]

XD

epic

[minor bobcat]

It was a VPN Piracy case but still makes em trustworthy

[stiff smelt]

Yeah they are really transparent about it. They seem very trustworthy

But you notice it too, things are slightly less convenient. other more convenient

[high remnant]

well how do you know that Proton is not serving you a backdoored client?

[stiff smelt]

For example, i can link my domains to proton with ease, so i have my own mail domain, no more gmail. I have a catchall domain. Besides having seperate passwords for each account, each account has its own mail address 🙂

[stiff smelt]

How do you know you are not living in a simulation?

[high remnant]

No my point is it is E2E using the means they provide. You have to trust them its actually E2E

[stiff smelt]

Why would they

[high remnant]

because they can be forced to

[split acorn]

who handles the key store

[stiff smelt]

I do

Its encrypted and decrypted locally

[split acorn]

butttt

they have the keystore

[high remnant]

using their website and their code :P

[stiff smelt]

Lookup asymetric encryption

[minor bobcat]

Their stuff is open source innit?

[stiff smelt]

https://proton.me/support/proton-mail-encryption-explained

[high remnant]

is the code the same as on the servers? :P

[split acorn]

i guess i dont think proton has the same surveillance capitalism mindset as google and et al

[high remnant]

I am just being the devils advocate here

[split acorn]

but still i dont need cloud backups of anything

no thank

[minor bobcat]

Sometimes you just gotta trust people

[stiff smelt]

https://proton.me/blog/what-is-end-to-end-encryption#how-does-e2ee-work

[minor bobcat]

You can't do everything yourselves in todays world

[minor bobcat]

How do you handle offsite backup?

[high remnant]

yes but my point still stands: they deliver the code, there's no viable reliable way to absolutely ensure its actually E2E and its not being altered in any way shape or form

[split acorn]

i dont

[minor bobcat]

Brave

[split acorn]

why would i backup vmdks to the cloud lol

[stiff smelt]

By asking a friend to share part of their NAS for your backup and you give it in return for theirs. Encrypted obv.

My backups are at my moms place, my friend and at home. And one most recent copy in the cloud

all locally encrypted so eh

My mom is aware of my nas, but has no clue what its for xD

[split acorn]

personally ill wait till i setup multisite or colocate

then i have full control

[stiff smelt]

You still have full control, even in the cloud. You can encrypt your own backups and store them

[split acorn]

all backups should be encrypted before gettting sent out

[minor bobcat]

Even the sketchiest cloud provider is safe if you do that

[split acorn]

still doesnt need to be sent out to the cloud

[stiff smelt]

exactly

[minor bobcat]

Just make sure your stuff doesn't disappear lol

[stiff smelt]

i need a new keyboard lol

Also, what tells you none of the software you have installed right now has a backdoor giving all your session keys away without you knowing. All your local data. Everything you can reach right now from your local pc.

[minor bobcat]

Or a new exploit that someone just found

[stiff smelt]

0days are a thing. You might not even know you have been infected, nobody even knows yet

[split acorn]

i still run win10 on the dekstop

[minor bobcat]

Again, brave

[stiff smelt]

Excellent choice for vulnerabilities

[split acorn]

lol

[high remnant]

https://youtu.be/DM1tPmxGY7Y?t=280 anyhow I know that this is a really extreme standpoint

[minor bobcat]

Weren't you the guy paranoid about IPV6 and being all public? Lol

[split acorn]

ipv6 is scary

[split acorn]

dont really use dekstop for much, just google, will prob nuke it eventually

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-scared-face-terrified-sweating-gif-26719243

Ipv6 ipv6 ipv6

[split acorn]

theres ways to prevent this but its too hard 🙁

[stiff smelt]

I dont even use a vpn for access to my home assistant, simple reverse proxy

There are no ways to prevent a 0-day vulnerability.

[split acorn]

distributed firewalls are a tough concept

[high remnant]

take it offline and shred it

🤷‍♂️

[stiff smelt]

Facts

[split acorn]

reverse proxy? hosted at home?

[stiff smelt]

Yes

[split acorn]

yikes

cloudflare?

[stiff smelt]

No

[hoary canyon]

yeah i expose most of my stuff publicly and have rules for IPs and stuff. Non recognized clients or IPs have to do extra auth

[split acorn]

get OCi and setup reverse proxy there, then wg s2s tunnel to home

for upstream

then put 2fa identity based auth infront of the reverse proxy

[hoary canyon]

This sounds similar to Pangolin

[stiff smelt]

Im a network engineer by trade, focussed on security and datacenter architecture. I think im ok.

[hoary canyon]

https://github.com/fosrl/pangolin

[split acorn]

identity aware vpns arent my thing lol

ig like tailscale?

[stiff smelt]

I have vpn for management stuff, but i dont need it for an application

[minor bobcat]

I run that it's great

[hoary canyon]

I do aswell lol

[split acorn]

arent

[stiff smelt]

pangolin is nice ye

[hoary canyon]

$2/month VPS and i'm set

[minor bobcat]

Yup

[split acorn]

since like what if aws or cloudflare has an outage

then identity services are offline

then cant access vpn

[stiff smelt]

No need for vpn if one uses a reverse proxy and knows how to use a firewall

My firewall rules are quite strict.

[split acorn]

lol

[high remnant]

inb4 hypervisor escape kek'd

[hoary canyon]

did you switch to Immich out of curiosity?

[split acorn]

nah im currently looking for alternatives to truenas scale

[hoary canyon]

i've been using Ente Photos, prefer it to Immich

[split acorn]

immich will probs get set up soobn

[minor bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-chandler-bing-oh-i-dont-care-idc-gif-15659332

[split acorn]

id like some of the AI features, ente have this?

[hoary canyon]

yep ML does its work on the clients also (great for weaker servers like mine)

it also has shared albums

[stiff smelt]

I have overcomplicated enterprise grade deep packet inspection and intrusion prevention rules running on my lab

[high remnant]

I mean there are people who rely on docker isolation

[hoary canyon]

Mozilla backed, but self hostable

[split acorn]

any intel cpu from like 2000 to 2019 is vulernable to hypervisor escape

[minor bobcat]

Googling Ente photos is hard in Germany

[high remnant]

ye amongst other things

[hoary canyon]

they mainly advertise the cloud version but they have instructions for self hosting: https://ente.io/

[split acorn]

free for sellf host?

[hoary canyon]

yep

no restrictions

there's some minor quirks tho

I dont really have 100TB lol

[split acorn]

hmmm

[minor bobcat]

I find Immich a bit finicky I might try them out too

[split acorn]

do they got an ova

im lazy

[hoary canyon]

keep in mind it's encrypted on the disk, so if that worries you it might not be the best option

[hoary canyon]

not sure

[minor bobcat]

Can you important none encrypted libraries?

[hoary canyon]

I don't think you can do non encrypted

you can use whatever storage for it you'd like tho

https://ente.io/help/self-hosting/administration/object-storage

it relies on s3

[minor bobcat]

Well thats off the record then. I've got 2TB of DSLR photos I'd like to just view inside the same application as my phone backup

[split acorn]

and im still struggling with getting netflow logs

[split acorn]

isnt that amazon cloud thing

[hoary canyon]

lol I just use UniFi for that

[hoary canyon]

yes but it's a universal standard

lots of s3 providers out there or it comes with one you can self host on your own storage

[stiff smelt]

Isnt that just rtfm for the router u use?

[split acorn]

yeah but like

[stiff smelt]

or i should say device

[split acorn]

no

[stiff smelt]

xD

[split acorn]

im not sure what to use anymore

was using vmware aria for logs

but thats just ass and doesnt like to talk with pfsense

good for getting logs from the hypervisors and virtual ports and stuff

but not for anything else

[stiff smelt]

Funny, never heard of it, looks neat

Ohh Vrealize has been renamed

[split acorn]

yeah

its all aria now

[stiff smelt]

ah

[split acorn]

aria for networks has some CRAZY graphs and charts and stuff

for example

[stiff smelt]

Yeah vrealize was allready neat, knowing vmware they expanded on it. Now its broadcom screwing it up

[split acorn]

yeah i dont got the keys anymore

aria for networks is the only one that does netflow

so im needing an alternative

[stiff smelt]

https://github.com/akvorado/akvorado might be suitable?

[split acorn]

just for netflow not syslogs?

[stiff smelt]

yes

I use graylog for syslog

[split acorn]

do unify Aps have netflow you said?

[stiff smelt]

idk actually

you probably need the gatway

[split acorn]

oh i just have the controller server os thing

no gateway

[stiff smelt]

yeah same, good ap's no need for the overpriced but nice hardware otherwise xD

Like if i didnt know what to do with my money, a lot would be unifi, that platform is amazing

Ive build it for people that had too much money, the camera's everything is so well integrated and user friendly

[split acorn]

yeah its hella expensive

not usually worth it

other than the aps imo

[stiff smelt]

For me no, but for, for example my dad, if he would like a bit more umph, my first recomendation would be a udm pro and somme nice ap's

Ill just get a cheap mikrotik with all the freedom in the world

[split acorn]

i use decommd enterprise off ebay

for all my networking gear

pfsense is virutalized

i got a 40g backbone for under 200$

[stiff smelt]

Mikrotik has a nice concept.
Software licence contains all features. Just fit your hardware based on usecase and you know you are set.

[split acorn]

cant do that running unify lol

and its dishwasher safe too

[stiff smelt]

Like you can do entire complex routing and pretty much anything you can dream of doing at home for 15 bucks i think

[split acorn]

yeah i have no complex routing sadly

would like to setup a fortinet on the edge

then run like complex routing between pfsense and the fortinet

but meh

[stiff smelt]

Simply for ips

[split acorn]

fortinet subscription too much tho

[stiff smelt]

Yeah for at home

then ur better off with a udm pro

xD

[split acorn]

mmm

[stiff smelt]

400 bucks, but amazing machine

[split acorn]

it does have ports

[stiff smelt]

or 3 years fortinet sub

[split acorn]

i only get like 500 down and 20 up on a good day

so like surely itll handle that

[stiff smelt]

I recently installed a virtual fortigae because a client wanted to pay alot of money for that custom setup lol.

Fortigae, lol

[split acorn]

lol

you can virtualize it?

[stiff smelt]

Yeah

[split acorn]

limited features?

[stiff smelt]

No full features

as long as your hardware supports it obv

as far as im aware no limitations

[split acorn]

aes-ni is neccessary

[stiff smelt]

Funny, its not very easy to find on google

Its enterprise stuff and i think kind of niche

I found some license sellers with the different tiers

[split acorn]

ugh no license

too expensive

[stiff smelt]

lol, its fortigate, what did you expect

Its like cisco but modern these days

[split acorn]

its like subscription based?

so no like perma keys for free out there?

[stiff smelt]

yes, everything fortigate is

[split acorn]

unluclu

[stiff smelt]

Same as sicso

[split acorn]

i know their APs are a hassle

[stiff smelt]

yeh i saw that typo but i liked it too

Cisco is great in terms of stability.

But configuration wise you need to be deeply involved in it to make it worthwhile

If you work with cisco every day and know the cli like the back of your hand its great. Otherwise, eh

[split acorn]

i havent touched a cisco router since like

[stiff smelt]

The ASA's are shit

[split acorn]

my last packet tracer class in highschool

[stiff smelt]

well, i hate them

They are excellent, they will never fail you

none ever failed me, 15 years old in shitty dusty racks in the basement

in companies i joined

they just work lol

Their hardware support contracts must be a goldmine

Cisco for switches, excellent

[split acorn]

yeah reliable

[stiff smelt]

cisco routers, expensive

[split acorn]

the industrial ones are anyway

[stiff smelt]

ye

[split acorn]

but then they eat up like 500w for no reason

i used to run a c4500x, 10g switch, but it was eating up like 400w+

traded it for a sx6036 40g mellanox

[vivid wraith]

Damn I better build my NVR before the RAM costs more than the rest of the NVR

[split acorn]

meters at 70w loaded with passive dacs

and pushing a lot

[stiff smelt]

I have redesigned the entire network for the company i now work for, we run across 3 datacenters, all linked via 2x darkfiber with 100Gb/s at each end, bonded. Everything runs on cisco switches or anything mikrotik.

[vivid wraith]

I was looking for a prebuilt to use as a NAS + NVR earlier cause I figured building myself would cost a lot more but couldn’t find anything I liked

So I guess I just gotta eat it on the component prices these days

[stiff smelt]

200gb/s is such a funny thing to experience lol

[split acorn]

each site has dedicated fiber runs?

[vivid wraith]

The CERN remote computers all have terabit intranet and internet connectivity it’s great

[split acorn]

how long away?

[stiff smelt]

10km

[split acorn]

like distance wise

damn

10km good on latency?

[vivid wraith]

And one of the speed test servers supports the terabit lmao

[split acorn]

just go for ddr3 :S

[stiff smelt]

Yes, we had to search really long but eventually found the correct gbics to support 100gb/s over 10m with FEC

They officially support upto 8, but with CEC our lab showed full throughput 😄

Those things are always nice to try and convince management on

Yeah we go 20% out of spec, but we will be fine.

[split acorn]

multi site pretty bad ass

[stiff smelt]

The lines are dark-fibers ordered from the datacenters we have racks at. They are just pre-layed cables without further use

We rent them between datacenters. They are called dark fiber because its just the cable, there is nothing in between

so no light, hence dark

Yeah its fun to do, not very common anymore these days with all the giant cloud competitors

[split acorn]

makes sense for dedicated runs

[stiff smelt]

I work for a small/medium software development company, i do this all together with one other collegue 😄

[split acorn]

damn i wouldnt want to setup that much fiber

[stiff smelt]

We decided to do more with hosting and got potential clients that required redundancy.

We had 1 rack in one datacenter and another somewhere else used for backups, so we expanded on that and added one closer to home in case of.

Pretty cool projects

But 2 people is not enoug xD add more if you get the chance

[stiff smelt]

Yeah its not that much different though

[split acorn]

well like

[stiff smelt]

I do like the idea of having our own cables dc to dc. thats just cool

[split acorn]

i assume you have to setup the fiber to make it active

on every site

[stiff smelt]

And being able to terminate them to 100gb/s is cherry on top

[split acorn]

and like ive never even touched fiber

moreof a dac guy just wtihint the rack

[stiff smelt]

Well, i found something i thought was one of the coolest things ever recently

Ill look it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2FbzCyiNr4

Its not terminated on fiber at your appliances, but you can easily run 10gb's or more through your house without big invasive cables

Thats pretty neat if you ask me

The knot blew my mind

Dont try that with normal fiber lmao

and you can lay a knot in it. wut.

[split acorn]

ok ye ive seent hat

so small doesnt need to go behind or thru walls

can just like

yeah

my house has zero ethernet wiring

[stiff smelt]

Imagine having 10gb through the house and nobody even sees. bit of paint and gone.

But yeah ill wait for wifi7 to become more adult and cheaper and go with that.

This is neat for a connection to your main workstation though, 10gb connection to the NAS

[split acorn]

yeah

lab is in basement tho

so like would still have to pull it thru the walls realistcally

[stiff smelt]

Also neat for hard wiring accesspoints, whoa i just thought of that

[split acorn]

for like meshing them?

mines alr about as hardwired as it gets

[stiff smelt]

Just wiring them, many houses do not have hard wiring throughout.

[split acorn]

i do use a poe injecter

since i wanted the AP to go direct to pfsense

and not hit the switch

[stiff smelt]

Hehe yeah i have poe switches

[split acorn]

sam but

i didnt want the ap to touch the switch

[stiff smelt]

for what reason?

[split acorn]

good question

[stiff smelt]

Now you cant hard reset them from the lazy comfort of your chair

[split acorn]

well unify controller i can reset thru

or ssh

[stiff smelt]

Hard reset :>

like powercycle

[split acorn]

yeah i can do a reset from the controller os

[stiff smelt]

If its frozen it wont listen to controller

but that never happened to me