#the-water-cooler

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modest willow
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won a chemistry thing

robust flicker
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He's worked for a couple of big name places since, but I dont wanna dox him so thats all I'll give out. 🙂

scenic radish
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google be like "make it look like an iphone"

forest edge
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wtf am i lookin at

modest willow
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presumably google trying to ape liquid glass?

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"let's make a poor copy of a design language that sucks to begin with"

scenic radish
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what's weirder is they made a significant UI update in a point release lol

modest willow
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i am a pretty big apple apologist but jfc they have lost the way

forest edge
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sure this isn't some brand launcher? samsung always did weird shit

scenic radish
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no, this is the notification panel on the Pixel 8 with Android 16

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i do like that the quick settings tiles can now be resized, but then they went and doubled the height of silent notifications lol

forest edge
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still stuck on android 12 on my pixel 3 lol

peak slate
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Lol

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So many dumb decisions in Android now

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Plus you don't have to deal with Google's AI squirrel chasing

split grail
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absolutely geeking out about my new bluetooth proxy.
purple is estimated solar power watts
faint green is my "calculated" solar watts (inverter output - input from wall)
brighter green is from my charge controller

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high remnant
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welp a 40k hike was too much for my knees 🥺🥺🥺

split grail
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the granularity between yesterday and now is night and day

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split grail
peak slate
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Or km?

high remnant
minor bobcat
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I'm done after 20k steps at work let alone 20km lol

warm helm
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Not exactly how I planned on buying solar and a solar battery. Rushing out and buying one from harbor freight so I could work

split grail
high remnant
stuck anchor
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i still have my frankensparc ss10 somewhere in the attic. built completely from parts returned as defective. it used to crash weekly, so something isn't well there.

i also have a tadpole sparcbook somewhere.

atomic delta
scenic radish
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yeah that looks cool

forest edge
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looks like a compatible app store nightmare

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I find it dumb that i can Hey Google my tv but can't ask it general questions

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like I can get weather but like I can't ask it when a store closes or whatever

arctic quarry
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F in chat

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primal laurel
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we dont count android as linux anymore?

atomic delta
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I mean, it uses a modified Linux kernel, but it's really not that linuxy when you start trying to work with it.

robust flicker
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they blocked US or something?

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static schooner
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just you, maybe 🙂

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works4me

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from the Free State of California

scenic radish
primal laurel
atomic delta
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I'd say the fact that I can say "I'm leaving android for a Linux phone" and have the meaning of it be unambiguous says plenty.

analog crow
peak slate
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But with their new kernel that Google made, I wouldn't be surprised if they want to move away from Linux

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It's too open source for them

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Not controlled by Google enough

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Fuchsia I think it's called?

analog crow
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T_T also I realllly want a full lin-phone, the convenince of the android/iphone ecosystems is nice, but I want root dangit!

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wanna poke around and do things that break normal androids XD

austere anchor
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I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux Phone, is in fact, GNU/Linux Phone, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux Phone. Linux Phone is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

static schooner
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As has always been the case. Linux is a kernel

scenic radish
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ur a kernel

arctic quarry
scenic radish
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perfect 5/7

long oak
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you that read wrong haha

twilit venture
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Oh look, nerdy one-upping

bronze carbon
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Got a question about the shameless-self-promotion channel. I have been working on a new HA automation framework (like AppDaemon) and have finally gotten it to a point where its ready for others to use it - is this something I can post there? It's HA adjacent, not HA directly, so I wanted to confirm before posting

scenic radish
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Yeah I don't see any issue with that

twilit venture
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Pretty enthralling: https://youtu.be/N3FEv1qw4_w

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stuck mortar
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That video popped up in my feed in no small part due to peering over the edge of the ergo mech keyboard precipice

static schooner
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it weighs...10lbs

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that's 1 medium size cat for those unacquainted with imperial units

ocean oar
static schooner
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Fascinating. Reminds me of premium coffee grinders

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Lots of parallels about obsession over minutae and people happy to pay tons of money for the result of someone's passion to build the best

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Although that's even taken a step further to the space of "nobody can build these parts to my satisfaction, so I must do it..."

stuck mortar
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I just want a split, tented, low profile, regular layout, quiet keyboard. That full combination is almost unobtanium

static schooner
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That just sounds like market opportunity. Let that dude be your spirit animal

unborn merlin
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low-profile brown keys even.

stuck mortar
stuck mortar
ocean oar
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Funnily enough, spirits make me good at soldering. Steadies the hands, see

stuck mortar
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Hmm

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That sounds like delirium tremens to me but I’m the wrong kind of doctor so what do I know

static schooner
ocean oar
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I find that opposable thumbs are indeed a necessity of holding the soldering iron

static schooner
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Raccoon enters the chat

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Pfft, unfortunately that's a myth

stuck mortar
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A raccoon probably would be better than me at designing a pcb

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Maybe I’ll skip the middleman and just train one to take dictation for me

scenic radish
forest edge
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@static schooner any idea what they changed with the LR4 10500.3072.2.93 firmware update? doesn't show on thier change log, just some change to the app

stuck mortar
# scenic radish

Still the wrong kind of doctor, but I’m fairly certain that isn’t a raccoon

static schooner
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I'm tired of it just not recording a weight for no reason

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I finally managed to get both updated. One worked first time, the other took many retries

forest edge
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the weight thing is a little strange. I think the cat has to be fully inside for exactly x amount of time or longer

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if weight fluctuates during the time they are in the unit it won't record it

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I think one of those cheap BT pet scales with a pet bed on top would likely be the better option to track pet weights

static schooner
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I have a camera pointed at it and it clearly showed the cat getting in, sitting still, getting out. I think the fence may have contributed because one of my cats had a habit of jumping in rather than walking

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Played around with putting cat-similar things in there and it recorded them, so there's definitely some magic there

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It's been consistently working for a few days, so I hope it continues

static schooner
forest edge
static schooner
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It's this whole "Perfect cycle" thing, which I had to look up

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there's some special litter that causes that to show up

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weirdly, the litter isn't the one they themselves sell

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some corporate partnership

analog crow
high remnant
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welp i found out that i have a spend limit on this creditcard

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and now i can no longer pay for gas

lavish badger
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There are credit cards with no limits?

static schooner
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and gas putting you over a limit means you were pretty darn close already

normal moon
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Sometimes gas stations put on holds for like $50 when you only want $5

fathom sparrow
lavish badger
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Amex cards are not credit cards.

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They're charge cards.

fathom sparrow
primal laurel
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We don't really use credit cards. So my limit is quite low

lavish badger
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I wouldn't use them if they didn't give me rewards.

fathom sparrow
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They are essentially required if you need to purchase anything large in the states.

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if you don't build credit, you can't buy a house, car, get a loan, etc

lavish badger
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Well also true

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I've run out of credit to build lol

primal laurel
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Stupid system that is

fathom sparrow
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how do you get loans?

high remnant
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works different

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there’s like an 1k limit on this card

lavish badger
fathom sparrow
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I was asking stefan

lavish badger
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Ah 🙂

fathom sparrow
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my credit is similiar, although I haven't checked in a few years

lavish badger
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In the EU it's mostly based on your income and your relationship with the bank.

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Which is how it SHOULD BE

high remnant
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i mean i can go to 10k but cba

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i don’t need it

primal laurel
fathom sparrow
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yeah, so credit builds the failure to pay registry in the US

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it's not a bad system, it's only bad because the companies that manage it are unchecked dipshits

primal laurel
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Why would i have to spend money to build credit. Makes no sense to me

fathom sparrow
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it's essentially a number that tells people if you pay on time, another drawback is asking for that number alot can be seen as a negative, which is dumb

fathom sparrow
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it's also built off payments to loans, your mortgage, rent, other bills, etc

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it's just called "credit score"

robust river
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Any reason why my iPhone and iPad HA companion apps are always reverting back to the default dashboard and default theme?

primal laurel
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It just doesn't make any sense to me why paying more should give me a higher score. The only thing they should care about is if I am known to fail my payments. That's it

fathom sparrow
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it's not paying more that gives you the higher credit

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it's paying something, anything, on time

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the easist way to build the score up when you first start in life is a credit card, but you can build it other ways

primal laurel
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Same thing. I don't pay loans because I don't have any. Why would that affect my ability to get a new loan

fathom sparrow
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rent

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you're narrowly thinking of this

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you definitely pay things to someone

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and that would build your credit

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phone bill, electricity bill, any other bill

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all goes into your credit

primal laurel
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Why should the bank care how i pay things

fathom sparrow
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if you don't they wont give you a loan....

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comon man, stop being purposely obtuse

primal laurel
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I think you've been brainwashed into thinking it's a good system lol

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It's not

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You've just been in it so long

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You can't see another option

high remnant
fathom sparrow
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I can see other options, I'm explaining how it works to a person who's trying to poke holes

robust river
fathom sparrow
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I couldn't care less if we had the system or not, you just always have a fucking bone to pick with anything USA

high remnant
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🥺

fathom sparrow
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"OH it's a us system??? ITS SHIT" -stefan ™

primal laurel
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Usually that's true

robust river
primal laurel
fathom sparrow
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exactly, I was just having a convo, and you had an agenda

primal laurel
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I don't

fathom sparrow
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right, then why always pick fights?

robust river
fathom sparrow
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"this is what we have"
"oh that's shit" -stefan

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great, awesome feedback

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see ya

primal laurel
robust river
primal laurel
robust river
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You also need to build credit to not be considered a risk as well. A CC company wont lend you thousands of dollars if you've never had any prior debt either, so you have to start at the lowest risk tier to build that credit with things like a secured credit card with a low credit limit. It helps you understand very quickly how the system works and helps you spend money responsibly.

robust river
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see ya too

primal laurel
robust river
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Stop spewing victim nonsense.

primal laurel
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Exactly how am I a victim

robust river
primal laurel
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You think that paying a gas bill somehow proves you can pay a house loan back. Jesus Christ how brainwashed are you peole

robust river
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You need to get a refund on any formal education you got because they clearly failed you.

primal laurel
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It's used for all those people because you don't have a choice

robust river
# primal laurel You think that paying a gas bill somehow proves you can pay a house loan back. J...

I pay back a gas, electric, home, tax, sewer, 2 cars, college debt for 1 child, college debt for myself.

A loan company, whether CC or otherwise, isn't going to say "Hey, this guy paid his utility bills, let's give them 20,000". There's no credit in that utility. There's only credit in debt. You need to start off simple before you can get into the big leagues with credit, and the credit system enforces that.

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I wasn't able to buy my home until I was 33. I built up credit very quickly, I started off with a car loan with a large down payment and 2 secured credit cards with $300 limits.

I now have a home, 2 more cars, 4 CCs with 20k limits, because they trust me to pay them back because I worked hard to get a good job and prove to them I could actually afford the debt. It takes time. It's a system that works. So you're a victim because you're crying that the credit system is protecting itself from an actual idiot like you who wants money but doesn't want to put in the work to get it.

primal laurel
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I'd say I would be a really good candidate for a loan if I don't have any debt 👍

robust river
primal laurel
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In fact if I never had any debt at all (not uncommon at all here) I'd be an even better candidate

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No debt means you have high liquidity

lavish badger
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The only debt we carry is the house.

robust river
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Okay, prove me wrong. Go to the bank today and ask them for $10,000 USD. Use the argument "I have no debt, therefore I can pay this back". Let me know if they throw you out.

primal laurel
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They wouldn't even ask

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I have no registrations for failure to pay so they will just give it to me

robust river
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They absolutely would. Have you never tried to take a loan out before?

primal laurel
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I'm not in the us

robust river
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They run credit checks on you. If you have no history, they are not going to loan the money.

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Whatever system you use. If you have no credit history, you wont get a loan. It's not just a US thing, that's in most 1st world places.

primal laurel
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Credit check that would come back positive because I have no registration

red rock
lone dagger
robust river
red rock
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yes it's a trust factor, but if you're good, you're good

primal laurel
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Exactly

lone dagger
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We see it as a negative thing you have no credit, while others see it as a "hey you aren't a fuck up."

red rock
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As in, I got my mortgage without spending a dime. Just the fact that I get a steady amount of money every month and proof that I actually worked there was enough

robust river
red rock
lone dagger
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See Joost's post above.

red rock
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Employer statement

primal laurel
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Basically yes

lone dagger
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He's in the Netherlands.

robust river
fathom sparrow
robust river
primal laurel
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No it's not

robust river
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That's part of it here too.

lone dagger
primal laurel
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Completely the opposite

robust river
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Yes it is, I just refinanced my home and had to do all that too.

fathom sparrow
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Yes, you do not need credit standing to get a mortage

lone dagger
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Credit checks also don't ding you negatively outside of the US.

red rock
lone dagger
red rock
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Yes in theory its a credit check

fathom sparrow
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I've bought several houses, even helped my neice who's 22 without credit get one recently

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credit bolsters your ability and lowers your interest

robust river
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I had to submit paystubs for several months, tax statements, credit card statements, car note statements, and so on. Because of my credit I was able to secure a higher loan with lower interest than I would have been able to without a good score.

fathom sparrow
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bad or no credit typically gets you higher interest loans

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and I'd wager banks outside the US do the same thing

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becaues they don't work for free

red rock
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But like, building up credit isn't a thing here

iron granite
primal laurel
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Ok so let's say I get a nest egg from my parents. Quite some people get that right. I don't want to put myself in debt so I use that money. In the US system I'd have a better credit rating if I didn't use that money and used a credit card right?

red rock
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or at least

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yes there is if you get a credit card, but we use debit cards

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I don't pay with money I don't have

robust river
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But for CREDIT CARDS, you have to have credit history. You have to be able to prove you can afford to pay back these debts, especially because they have the highest interest rates.

fathom sparrow
red rock
fathom sparrow
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if you want to save money in the long run, build up your credit

lone dagger
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90% of the time I was denied.

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like everything

fathom sparrow
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did you have a downpayment?

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or you just going for straight loans

lone dagger
fathom sparrow
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cause that's a huge difference as well

red rock
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I mean, at this point, when I get to move houses I just want to make sure I have enough money for x months and start investing the rest

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I'm looking forward to that

robust river
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I too was denied.

fathom sparrow
lavish badger
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I think some of the way we do it in the US also has to do with instability. In most of the EU (And the rest of the civilized world) it's harder to lose your job. People have socialized medicine. I'd say outside the US, you aren't going to just flop fall on your face financially because the place you work for had a bad year.

fathom sparrow
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w/o credit

lone dagger
robust river
lone dagger
fathom sparrow
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right

primal laurel
lone dagger
red rock
robust river
lavish badger
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No, that's very much accounting.

fathom sparrow
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@red rock what's your interest rate?

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just curious

lone dagger
red rock
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4,01% I believe

lavish badger
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Banks don't loan money because they like you

scenic radish
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Jesus, what did I just walk into

fathom sparrow
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and did you put a down payment?

lavish badger
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They loan is out to make more money.

red rock
lavish badger
red rock
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and for 20 years

lone dagger
scenic radish
robust river
fathom sparrow
robust river
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Maybe the American way is superior then. Shrug

lone dagger
red rock
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4,03%

fathom sparrow
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I'm not gonna ask salary but you'd get approved for that in the states too.

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without credit

red rock
robust river
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Anyway, the US credit system works basically the same as anywhere else. And I would argue better than outside the US.

primal laurel
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Lmao

robust river
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Probably why the rest of the world borrows so much money from the US, they gave all their money away to people who can't pay it back.

primal laurel
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Funny shit

fathom sparrow
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banks across the world want your money, they are going to give you loans based on what you can afford regardless if you're in the states or not. Regardless if you don't have credit in the states

red rock
robust river
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Oh well, that was fun. I have to put a car battery in my wife's car.

lavish badger
primal laurel
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USA. The country where putting yourself in debt is a good thing because it pleases the loan sharks. What a fucking country

robust river
lone dagger
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✨ Bordering politiiiiicsssssss ✨

robust river
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Anyway i'm out lol

lavish badger
fathom sparrow
lone dagger
lavish badger
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But I don't think without a complete reset, it'll ever improve.

iron granite
scenic radish
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I'll start the next argument

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Zigbee is better than Z-Wave

lone dagger
fathom sparrow
scenic radish
lavish badger
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That reminds me I gotta go reset the switch for my pool light.

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Damn thing fell off the network again.

iron granite
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Go get the scuba gear

lavish badger
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The switch isn't in the pool...

scenic radish
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Maybe that's the problem

static schooner
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Maybe it fell off the network into the pool

scenic radish
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I think we just figured it out. You're welcome @lavish badger

static schooner
iron granite
lavish badger
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Nah, it's just a shit belkin switch

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I'm suspecting when they take their servers offline in January I'm going to be having to replace them all

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In theory, they do work offline.

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Which was the most ghetto thing ever, just yanked the network out of my router to see

peak slate
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We need some supporters of the inferior zigbee to keep the competition going

forest edge
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oh man, looks like i missed a good debate earlier

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that person needs to come back

primal laurel
peak slate
forest edge
static schooner
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you should pay by the Hz

atomic delta
primal laurel
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How many raccoons does it take to screw in a lightbulb

scenic radish
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I've created a few devices with that

atomic delta
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Program the chip directly, build the board around it

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Though to be fair, I don't know if your statement included Z-Wave LR.

scenic radish
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Yeah I guess it depends on the end goal

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I was able to convert some off-the-shelf devices to Zigbee by swapping the ESP module and using that external component

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So maybe not quite DIY like you're talking about

atomic delta
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To be fair, my usecase for that is for an in-wall single gang switch, which means super constricted space. I just haven't started working on it yet because I realized I need a better background in C to be able to program it. :P

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I figured out all the components, but for now it's a wishlist item until I work on my C.

unborn merlin
atomic delta
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Far as I'm aware, there are none

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The chip costs $6

unborn merlin
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zwave is a proprietary

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yeah. thats a fucking ton sir

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when you can buy entire goddamned ESP32C6 modules with zigbee+thread+wifi+bluetooth.. for about that same price? and I mean completed modules.. not the chip

atomic delta
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I mean, I get what you're saying, but I prefer low-level access, and the ESP32 options just don't seem to provide that.

unborn merlin
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there's nothing stopping you from writing low level RISC code

atomic delta
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(that and it's too bulky for this project anyway)

unborn merlin
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there's that license fee

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the fact that as quantities go up

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the chips do not get cheaper

atomic delta
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Fair enough

primal laurel
unborn merlin
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"need" or just want

atomic delta
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Definitely want for most cases. :P

primal laurel
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Oh but you can just use esp IDF right

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Or zephyr

unborn merlin
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https://www.seeedstudio.com/Seeed-Studio-XIAO-ESP32C6-p-5884.html

A whole ass seeed c6 is literally cheaper than just the transceiver for that thing

Seeed Studio XIAO ESP32-C6

XIAO ESP32C6 is a cost-effective MCU based on Espressif’s ESP32-C6. This compact MCU excels in Matter-compliant smart home applications with its support for various wireless connectivity (2.4GHz Wi-Fi 6, BLE 5, Zigbee, and Thread). Designed with the thumb-size footprint and a single-sided mount of the XIAO Series, it's perfect for space-limi...

primal laurel
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I fucking love zephyr

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But my work uses threadx, alas

atomic delta
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It's hard to say for certain without a specific project in mind. In the case of the swamp cooler controller I'm making it's mostly about eliminating any excess code that could be responsible for the thing having issues. I want to know that if it fucks up, it's my fault.

unborn merlin
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bruh.

that is comically simple

primal laurel
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Oh. Then for sure try zephyr

unborn merlin
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and does not need low level control or access; in the slightest.

atomic delta
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I've never heard of zephyr before this, so I'll have to look into that.

primal laurel
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It's fun

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Trust me

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It's like tiny little baby linux. For embedded systems

unborn merlin
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its an RTOS.

atomic delta
unborn merlin
atomic delta
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Not going to use wifi. I despise using wifi for IoT.

unborn merlin
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you seem to be trying to spend more time and money on something than is even slightly necessary... 🤷‍♂️

atomic delta
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As for network reliability, I have three swamp cooler controls in the house, and they're spaced quite far apart with many walls between. Z-Wave LR can handle that. Zigbee is... challenging to get that reliable. And I'm avoiding wifi, partially because I'm not happy with my mesh router.

unborn merlin
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you don't see any module boards just shipping zwave.. entirely because of that transceiver licensing cost

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nobody wants to double the price of their shit just to slap zwave on. 😛

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whereas zigbee.. thread/matter, wifi, bluetooth.. they're just out there and all

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I think you're going waaaay towards premature optimization. 🤷‍♂️

peak slate
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Does it really matter though

unborn merlin
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use thread if you hate wifi so much.

peak slate
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(couldn't help myself)

unborn merlin
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let the deep state force you into IPv6...

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😛

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(Thread/Matter using IPv6 is clearly a deep state plot to make people actually use ipv6)

atomic delta
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Far as I can tell, thread/matter is basically a wifi/zigbee/etc wrapper. It's not terribly relevant here when I have zero devices compatible with it. Bluetooth I would like to eventually get nodes set up for around the house, but that's an "eventually". Until that happens, it's moot. Zigbee is nice, but I need to bite the bullet and get some more coordinators to flash into router mode if I want it to be reliable across the entire house. I'm working from near a corner, and it's a pita in a house this size. Z-Wave I have no devices for so far, but LR gives me direct penetration with direct control over the amount of noise it adds.

unborn merlin
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BT even simpler given that esphome can just create proxies..

atomic delta
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BT is simpler if I invest the amount required to cover a 5000 sq.ft. house.

unborn merlin
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I thought you were talking about three specific things to connect..

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you do not in fact; have to have everything on the same protocol

atomic delta
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Thing is, I still need to get those BT nodes hooked up, in a house where wifi is not reliable across the entire span (fuck Netgear by the way), and if I'm going to start with BT I may as well go the full span since that's my eventual plan anyway.

unborn merlin
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.... maybe you should try getting real mesh wifi going before you shit talk wifi

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throw that shit back into 2005 where it belongs.

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I think even google wifi does a better job than netgear.

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... the bar is not very high of course.

atomic delta
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I never shittalked wifi. I just said I don't want IoT devices on wifi. That's -mostly- not about reliability, but rather because I don't like shit phoning home. If I build it myself, that's a non-issue, but everything else... no.

unborn merlin
#

that has vlans.. and can segregate IOT stuff.

atomic delta
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I know, and at some point here I will. I just need to figure out what real mesh is worth using. Was looking at building an OpenWRT mesh, but apparently it's... still experimental.

unborn merlin
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lazy answer?

unifi.

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more complicated? mikrotik.

atomic delta
#

I'll note it and look into it. I really should deal with that sooner rather than later. Fucking Orbis are going to make me tear my hair out.

unborn merlin
#

.... yes

peak slate
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Backhaul all Wi-Fi off Ethernet

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Lol

unborn merlin
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you're very literally trying to make some proprietary nonsense instead of just

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getting a real wifi network setup

peak slate
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Run a bunch of unifi

atomic delta
unborn merlin
#

a bunch?

two fucking of their new LR things would cover that house probably if in the right places.. three at most

peak slate
#

So run some Ethernet there 😈

unborn merlin
#

fun reminder that unifi nodes can wifi mesh to one another as needed..

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noticed trhat when some vlans got messed up on the backhaul connection once and was like "Oh hey the internet still works somehow? huh."

atomic delta
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I'll look into it. Not right now though. I am at work, even if I'm not working. :P

unborn merlin
#

my only gripe is that..

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..... unifi elected to make their own smart stuff with "long range bluetooth"

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instead of Put a fucking thread/matter router in the fucking things assholes.

atomic delta
#

Is it the bluetooth high-speed spec, or their own garbage?

unborn merlin
#

dont know.

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but considering they came out with it earlier this year?

it should be fucking thread.

atomic delta
#

Though bluetooth high-speed is just "we use bluetooth to negotiate p2p wifi" anyway

unborn merlin
#

fuck knows.. all I know is it bugs me that they made their own slop instead of just.. embracing the industry thing

atomic delta
#

Version 3.0 + HS of the Bluetooth Core Specification[81] was adopted by the Bluetooth SIG on 21 April 2009. Bluetooth v3.0 + HS provides theoretical data transfer speeds of up to 24 Mbit/s, though not over the Bluetooth link itself. Instead, the Bluetooth link is used for negotiation and establishment, and the high data rate traffic is carried over a colocated 802.11 link.

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So probably not that.

peak slate
#

I still see no need to run matter, but we'll see how it survives into the future

atomic delta
#

I should learn about thread/matter at some point, but right now it's in the "don't see a point when I don't have any devices for it, don't need devices for it because I don't have devices for it"

peak slate
#

To me it's all covered by zigbee and zwave which are both better supported

unborn merlin
#

benefit is.. its literally just IP

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thread devices.. are just ipv6 devices.. slow ones mind you; but just ipv6..

scenic radish
#

With Thread specifically, I do like that you can essentially have more than one coordinator but... that's about the only benefit I see over Zigbee for instance

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But I'm also not switching anytime soon, or ever

peak slate
#

Mega corps kinda like it, but they're all companies I wouldn't buy from anyway

unborn merlin
#

and yet..

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who actually properly supports the entire matter/thread spec?

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... Homeassistant?

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I don't think anyone else does.

#

hilariously enough.

scenic radish
#

That being said, I am using Matter to expose HA entities to Google Home which replaced the cloud setup nonsense

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so that part is cool

unborn merlin
#

yeah I got govee bulbs recently that have matter-over-wifi

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I like being able to skip out on govee's shit

scenic radish
#

i'm not even using any matter-native devices

atomic delta
#

I need to find zigbee bulbs that are cheaper than hue and better than rebranded tuya.

scenic radish
scenic radish
unborn merlin
#

is not a very hard bar to hit.

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🤣

atomic delta
#

I mean, that's basically anything but hue

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Mind you, hue is good shit. I wouldn't say otherwise.

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But I don't like paying that much

unborn merlin
#

except where they keep making the app wrose and tying accounts to things and etc.. etc.

atomic delta
#

Oh, the app is shit. I meant the devices.

scenic radish
#

imagine using the app

atomic delta
#

You want to know my personal "go fuck yourself" moment for Hue?

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They made it that local accounts can't delete keys from the bridge "for security". They literally require you to connect your shit through their remote servers to be able to handle a local process.

scenic radish
#

a tale as old as time

atomic delta
#

So every time you press that button, you're making a new key that you can't remove if you don't let them see your shit.

scenic radish
#

i ditched the bridge years ago

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only reason I kept it for a while is that it has local control and was working well, so i felt no need to move the lights onto my main zigbee network

atomic delta
#

Right now I have three lights and a remote on the bridge, one light on ZHA. I need to give up and move everything to ZHA.

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The only reason I haven't is because I'm being lazy about reproducing the Hue remote's control scheme in an automation.

scenic radish
#

but really, thirdreality lights are likely the answer unless they're not available wherever you are

unborn merlin
atomic delta
#

Well, lemme check

unborn merlin
#

... I still havent written that automation just yet either

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🤣

atomic delta
#

lol

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I bought the hue remote because you can use it to force hue bulbs into pairing mode without a hue bridge.

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I figured that could end up handy

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IIRC you hold it within a few inches of the bulb and hold the top and bottom buttons together and the light goes into pairing mode.

unborn merlin
#

... interesting enough I spose.

atomic delta
#

It's a nice remote though. If a bit overpriced.

scenic radish
#

they're great remotes

unborn merlin
#

the battery lifes good too.. tho the back door on mine had slightly broklen so it wouldnt stay shut properly without tape..

atomic delta
#

Honestly, it's actually not that bad price-wise compared to their bulbs. I think I got mine for $20 or something?

scenic radish
#

the lights also have the best PWM i've seen on any smart light I've used

unborn merlin
#

its an accessory.. that makes you want to use the bulbs more.. but meh

scenic radish
#

i mean, you don't need to use them with hue lights

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i have some hue remotes bound with thirdreality lights

atomic delta
#

Hue bulbs are so far the only ones I've seen that can handle the color cycle setting from HA.

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But I haven't tried thirdreality

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Looks like I can get those on amazon

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I'll give 'em a try

lavish badger
atomic delta
#

I wanted to put some smart lights in outdoor fixtures anyway.

#

Maybe I'll buy that other SLZB-07 and flash it with the router firmware.

scenic radish
#

I have two Sonoff adapters with router firmware screaming at each other at 20 dBm to being Zigbee between our apartment and detached garage lol

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The garage isn't far, but there's a block wall, part of a metal staircase, and a brick wall between them

atomic delta
#

Luckily our walls are just drywall and wood, but enough of them and it's still a pain. Especially when power's routed through those walls

#

Ordered some thirdreality bulbs and another SLZB-07. Eventually want to get like... four more, but I want to test the effectiveness of one first.

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That and I'm not 100% sure I'm understanding their firmwares correctly. So worst case I end up with the second one plugged into my HA.

twilit venture
#

tldr: Zigbee is better.

scenic radish
#

there are pros and cons to both

twilit venture
#

06 is just as good

atomic delta
#

By technically better I mean supposedly there's a minor signal improvement. You'd struggle to measure it though.

twilit venture
#

06 can be USB

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or wifi, or poe, or eth + separate pwr

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personally I use it over poe, so much more convenient

ocean oar
#

I think the assertion was "why pay for one that does PoE if you know you'll never use it"

twilit venture
#

Precisely because it's versatile, and can match your use case in the future, should you change

scenic radish
#

As much as I like PoE, I do still prefer to use a USB coordinator to eliminate the network requirement

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not like that's really ever an issue though I suppose

twilit venture
#

not really, no

#

I have my core on ups, so poe never goes down

atomic delta
#

PoE is nice in theory, but I have no PoE devices, and I already have a coordinator. The extra I bought is just going to be flashed as a router, so ethernet would be unnecessary, and I already have USB wall warts to plug it into that currently have dogshit Tuya routers plugged into them.

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Since I'm only looking at USB, what reason would I have to buy 06?

#

Sure, I -can-, but why?

twilit venture
#

just a suggestion

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personally, If I had a penny each time I bought a single feature device, only to find out I wanted more later...

atomic delta
#

I mean, there's also the fact that SLZB-07 is $30 and SLZB-06 is $65

twilit venture
#

OH, 65?

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damn

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I got it much cheaper

atomic delta
#

And since I intend to buy five of them total (six if you count the one plugged in to the HA), that adds up

twilit venture
#

Yeah

unborn merlin
#

fix..

your... wifi...

atomic delta
#

What does that have to do with this?

unborn merlin
#

the obsession to build out an all new network because your wifi is trash and can't isolate and etc.

... when you could just fix that issue

atomic delta
#

...what does wifi have to do with zigbee? I need zigbee to cover the house regardless, and I'm not going to run multiple zigbee instances to make that happen.

primal laurel
#

Zigbee is far superior to wifi for IoT stuff

atomic delta
#

Agreed

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Zigbee is my protocol of preference for IoT, with Z-Wave theoretically in second place if I actually had any Z-Wave devices.

#

I just don't like IoT devices on wifi.

unborn merlin
#

zwave is not nearly as fun per device as you'df think

#

as someone who has dealt with a few smart locks that run it and

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jesus fucking christ they just do not behave like they should

primal laurel
#

Unrelated but does anyone use notein? Im so done with onenote

atomic delta
#

Completely different topology

unborn merlin
#

and the number of zwave lr devices is lower.

And my point was more

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manufacturers are not forced to implement things in a sane way

atomic delta
#

So if they're stupidly built, it's because I'm a moron

unborn merlin
#

I still think thats hilariously wasteful compared to just.. building it with zigbee or thread

atomic delta
#

Thread he says, to a guy with 0 thread devices

unborn merlin
#

I said zigbee or thread

primal laurel
#

Probably just busy why?

unborn merlin
#

because most devices that use either of those can do both.

atomic delta
#

And as I mentioned, I need to keep the scale as small as possible.

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Plus, it's fun to build from base components.

unborn merlin
#

"Fun"

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ah yes; using more and more proprietary shit.. "Fun"

#

and if you want as small as possible; shouldn't that be NRF stuff? since that's the shit that is so power efficient and tiny that it can literally run off collected RF emissions?

atomic delta
#

It has to be wired into mains to power the relays for switching the motor.

unborn merlin
#

"need" to keep as small as possible sounds like its not actually a need then

atomic delta
#

It has to fit within a single-gang wall box

unborn merlin
#

are you gonna make something smaller and more compact than a shelly? I doubt it.

atomic delta
#

Needs to control two devices simultaneously, with the second having three positions total (off/low/high).

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And no, it'll be larger than a shelley I'd imagine, since it has the power supply, three relays, zwave controller, plus the control panel on the front.

unborn merlin
#

two devices simultaneously.. in a one gang box

atomic delta
#

You have never used a swamp cooler, have you?

unborn merlin
#

no I just put a heat pump in during the summer.

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🙃

atomic delta
#

Device 1: pump, on and off
Device 2: blower motor, high, low, and off

#

And you need to be able to control them separately. Generally you activate the pump about five minutes before the motor, then later at night when the temperature drops you switch the pump off and let the air dry out the house again.

ocean oar
#

The real question as to whether smart relays are appropriate for controlling this, is does the motor go boom if you power both the low and high terminals at the same time?

atomic delta
#

Yep

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Well, pretty sure

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Hence the relay to switch between high and low.

ocean oar
#

Can never underestimate the shittyness of some devices, if they designed it to operate with a switch where only one contact can possibly be connected at once, then you've got yourself a problem

#

Yeah which is great except the vast majority of "smart" things aren't dry contacts, and also usually aren't double-throw relays either

unborn merlin
#

three relays.

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probably.

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ish.

atomic delta
#

Yep, three

ocean oar
#

Inside you there are two wolves three relays

unborn merlin
#

and what is this power then?

How much power, specifically?

atomic delta
#

One to switch the pump on and off, one to switch the motor on and off, and one to switch the motor between low and high. Unpowered state for all of them being low, off, off

atomic delta
#

@120vac

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Assumed based on looking up similar motors

unborn merlin
#

... and have you played with pcbs before?

atomic delta
#

Of course

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I haven't mixed AC and DC on a single board before though... that's a new one for me.

#

Did the UV board printing method before, for this I'd just order the board.

unborn merlin
#

jumping up to mains AC... yeesh

atomic delta
#

I mean, worst case I blow the thing up and I'm out... probably around $30.

unborn merlin
#

where are you? 🤔

atomic delta
#

Nevada, USA

unborn merlin
#

ahaha.. have you not ordered pcb stuff since tariff garbage?

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😉

atomic delta
#

Nope...

unborn merlin
#

get ready to eat shit. 🙃

atomic delta
#

Well that's good to know

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I'd say more than that, but no politics here. :P

unborn merlin
#

more than doubled the board cost.. and that was before the de-minimus exception was closed

atomic delta
#

I'm not surprised tbh

unborn merlin
atomic delta
unborn merlin
#

I didn't say you'd be there when/if it happened

#

🙃

#

there are plenty of considerations when mixing low and high voltage on boards..a re you going to hit each and every one? Who knows.

atomic delta
#

I mean, if it gets too hot I'm going to abort the thing and figure out why. I planned on 3d printing a vented plate to reduce some of that risk.

unborn merlin
#

oor.. you could shove this whole mess into the swamp cooler thing itself..

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.... and have more space and less nonsense

atomic delta
#

Technically true, and I'll consider that if need be.

bleak sonnet
#

I finally did it. I gave up. I just killed my HA thread network and I'm going to reset it all up on google thread (with OTBR moved over). Got tired of waiting for google to get its shit together lol.

#

Its funny how bad googles thread support is

unborn merlin
#

no its not.

its not their protocol and etc..

#

it would surprise you to know that google is a petty bitch about stuff like this somehow? 😛

bleak sonnet
#

Oh no! Of course, not. That never occurred to me while I was downloading some random developer app. Someone put on GitHub so I could try to figure out why in the world. My credentials were so screwed

#

Honestly, the most surprising thing is just how good nanoleaf is now considering how awful they were to start. Like they let you just migrate your devices to a new thread Network without any fuss and it all just works.

#

I wish that inovelli had that

high remnant
#

finally

static schooner
#

it's telling you to slow down

lone dagger
high remnant
#

🥺🥺

#

he doesn’t like it when i drive fast

brisk glen
#

HA assistant is the best assistant ever.

IMG_1932.png
#

GlaDOS may be in control, I just need to set up the MCP proxy for the tools.

glacial knot
forest edge
#

down side is shelly still hasn't made the addon be something that gets added to the zigbee part

#

but that has to be a software thing, not hardware

robust flicker
#

Ugh, the cover of this book irks me to no end. So either the old man can breathe vacuum, or the kid is wearing a pressure helmet for no reason....

image0.jpg
wooden egret
#

the book is probably LLM written too

#

Is it no longer possible to remove/disable the entire integration instead of devices it provides individually?

young sigil
wooden egret
silent doveBOT
#
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forest edge
iron granite
primal laurel
peak slate
arctic quarry
#

jesus that gif goes places

high remnant
lapis crow
#

hii everyone :)

primal laurel
static schooner
lapis crow
#

i really like the new? (assuming it is) autogenerated home dashboard

primal laurel
lapis crow
robust flicker
#

Oh. more people???

PXL_20250914_153403351.jpg
vestal cove
#

Does this affect any of the Home Assistant packages?

forest edge
#

@tidal bronze watched Lord of the Rings. Should be happy that I got to see California.

scenic radish
static schooner
#

Scouring aside, which the movie didn't show, California is The Shire

tidal bronze
scenic radish
#

some people on reddit are complaining that a credit union that has a flat 2.5% cashback credit card (up to 10K USD in spend/mo) is nerfing it to 1.5% and that they're gonna close their accounts... and also revealing that they joined the credit union solely for the card and only met the minimum criteria for it (one of them being 1,000 USD in deposits)

#

yeah i'm sure they'll really miss you only taking money from the credit union 🤣

fathom sparrow
#

what credit union 🤣

scenic radish
#

Exactly, they were losing money on each transaction, but its original purpose was clearly to encourage people to actually use the credit union as their primary checking/savings accounts

#

Alliant

fathom sparrow
#

ah, they in chitown

#

I was like, that's a spicy% maybe I should try to get an account

scenic radish
#

I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did even with the cap. Banks barely come out ahead on interchange with flat 2% cards

fathom sparrow
#

That's $250 a month, we typically put everything on cards and pay it off immedately

#

so that would just be 250 in free shit

weak musk
#

I get 2-5% cashback, no cap, on my primary card. I get just over 4% on my savings account.

scenic radish
gusty belfry
#

Man the Arc Pro B50 looks really good for home assistant conversation agents and jellyfin transcode. wantowo

scenic radish
gusty belfry
scenic radish
#

not really

gusty belfry
#

My bank must just suck then sad

scenic radish
#

citi double cash, fidelity, wells fargo active cash, sofi, us bank shartly smartly

#

a few others as well

warm helm
#

Shartly is right

scenic radish
#

i knew the uncapped 4% wasn't gonna last, but they nerfed faster than I thought they would lol

livid geyser
#

Is there a hardware install channel?

arctic quarry
scenic radish
#

oh that was about a credit card

arctic quarry
#

right, I was just saying you can just like, save money and get the cashback from yourself

scenic radish
#

Well...yes, but there are still things you need to buy

reef bolt
#

wishI could pay my taxes without the surcharge

#

points were good

#

id use the points to fly to visit tedi for the holidays

high remnant
#

you guys pay taxes

#

be honest. this looks off right

image0.jpg
#

this just looks fucking wrong

static schooner
#

you seem to be missing a tire

#

that's a lot of weight

high remnant
#

nah there’s some rubber on that rim

high remnant
#

this is a new rim

static schooner
#

I guess it's a rubber band 🙂

high remnant
#

the cunt even put more weight on the opposite side

high remnant
#

this also why it’s a new rim lol

#

anyhow

static schooner
#

that rim will find the curb one day and won't look so nice

#

or anything other than a super smooth road

high remnant
#

i cracked one

static schooner
#

need a thicker rubber band

high remnant
#

but looks

#

🥺

static schooner
#

I had some tires that hung over the rim to protect the rim on my last car and didn't like how it looked, but now I've chewed up one of my rims by inadvertently scraping it on a curb while parking.

#

sigh

high remnant
#

well o have only cracked the rim in belgium

#

my partner had completely destroyed the other one while parking

#

after the winter i’ll get some bigger tires lol

#

but first i’ll have them rebalance this one

steady mountain
#

hey i needed help setting HA up on a VM for the first time, would really appreciate if someone helped me out

scenic radish
obtuse cove
#

does anyone here use the Apple TV integration across VLAN's? Mine is having trouble seeing the device, wonder if it's a common issue.

static schooner
obtuse cove
unborn merlin
obtuse cove
unborn merlin
#

worst caase just spend more money on apple products that should fix it. - Apple

scenic radish
#

Like the battery attachment you can buy for the iPhone Air?

primal laurel
#

this stand is only 1k

ocean oar
#

$1000 monitor stand is great and all, but it's no $700 computer wheels

image.png
#

To be honest the absolute best part about that monitor though isn't the $1000 stand, but that it needs a $200 adapter to use a normal VESA 100x100 mount.

#

They absolutely had the option to just have the 100x100 bolt mount on the monitor, but that would ruin the aEsThEtIc

forest edge
#

man google fiber really pushing that residential 8 gig internet

static schooner
#

I'd be happy to take a few of those gigs

gusty belfry
#

Damn. I think I made a mistake buying Tapo devices. TPlink Kasa was fine but it looks like Tapo phones home unless you firewall it.

brisk glen
#

I’m thinking about switching from Apple but now it sounds like google it’s about to be no better by requiring all apps to be signed by them

#

Sounds like a fantastic idea to have Google gate key my non-play store apps

forest edge
primal laurel
split grail
#

does the energy page in HA know the difference between batteries charging with grid vs solar?

forest edge
split grail
weak musk
mighty rose
#

So.... This is the output of one of my automations.....

image.png
#

The output number always seems to be +/- 150w of what it should be in an ideal world.

#

any ideas what I could do in my automation to smooth stuff - hopefully only using built-in stuff....

#

is there any math functions that could smooth something like this?

#

I was thinking of random math - and if the difference to change is under, say, 200, just set a lower value - but that seems like magic number territory.

#

given my current math always seems to overshoot, then undershoot etc

unborn merlin
#

averaging; probably

#

or a window and then average thing; is how I'd explain it.. esphome-wise.. 😛

young sigil
mighty rose
#

its not really support - I just wanna talk math lol

unborn merlin
#

and I just told you basically all you're gonna need.. 😛

mighty rose
#

yeah - my thought though is that averaging would potentially increase latency

young sigil
#

You are asking about help with an automation. = support. Go there. You've been here long enough to know this.

mighty rose
#

the automation is purely context.

young sigil
#

This is not up for debate. Persist and you will be given a timeout.

mighty rose
#

Ok sure.

#

can I talk about PID functions?

#

or is that support too?

unborn merlin
#

its "cruising to be kicked in the head"

#

figuratively speaking. 🙃

scenic radish
#

Bought a Halloween decoration from Aldi tonight (a light up ceramic ghost) and my first thought was that I want to smartify it. I noticed it has a button with a 3V battery wired to it, so I just desoldered it from the button, wired it to a D1 mini, and set up a custom effect for it in ESPHome lol

PXL_20250918_035113299.jpg
#

Forgot to mention the button is meant for testing it in the store so you can see what it looks like

#

Or in my case, to extract the battery from within and discard the button and do this nonsense

ocean oar
#

Spoopy

static schooner
#

It's your homie

scenic radish
scenic radish
fiery slate
forest edge
ocean oar
#

"outdoor pumpkins" implies the presence of indoor pumpkins

forest edge
crisp oriole
#

Omg i made a multi user llm system that secures user control inside a single llm so that other users cant interfer. Someone on facebook use oauth and you should log in once a day. And starts becomeing toxic when i say that he has no clew where he is talking about.

forest edge
arctic quarry
#

so, make-believe?

crisp oriole
#

well the token needs to match with a api so if its make believe the tool does not work

arctic quarry
#

yeah I still don't understand what "inside a single llm" refers to

#

it sounds to me like you're just prompting the llm to role-play multi-user?

crisp oriole
#

you got a LLM that has intenal tools.
I connected the llm to discord and other systems. with a multi user envourment.

arctic quarry
#

looking forward to the blog post 🙂

high remnant
#

Christ I have been away for a week and I have like 15 "vulnerability reports" from "security researchers" in my inbox

crisp oriole
ocean oar
iron granite
#

Gone

crisp oriole
high remnant
compact knoll
#

is there a praise the release thread somewhere?
the home dashboard is suuuch an amazing quality of life improvement for new users

young sigil
hearty palm
#

it would sure as hell be super powerful with home assistant

primal laurel
fathom sparrow
#

Have you tried simply googling stream deck with home assistant? The results are promising.

hearty palm
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yea i know that the stream deck can integrate with home assistant and activate stuff and devices i mean a full integration to home assistant with this network dock for example if you want to build some kind of wall panel

fathom sparrow
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but what I linked is a full integration

hearty palm
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i thought you sent the project that just makes the stream deck software communicate with ha

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yea with this you are forced to keep your pc on

hearty palm
fathom sparrow
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If they publish an api to use for that device, I'm sure it could be done.

hearty palm
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well i guess we will see what happens but there is a lot of potential with this

scenic radish
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Thank you Zoom, very cool

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high remnant
iron granite
primal laurel
forest edge
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@tidal bronze just got done watching the 3rd lord of rings film. loved the ending where cali sank into the ground.

mighty dove
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hi all

high remnant
scenic radish
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To slap Ubuntu on of course

forest edge
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amd gross

primal laurel
iron granite
scenic radish
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totally overkill for my use case but i've been looking for a new lappy

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and this one finally meets all of my criteria

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bought it

scenic radish
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wait no, what have i done

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primal laurel
scenic radish
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i can't remember the last time i've used any sort of optical media

stuck mortar
primal laurel
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Or maybe he still uses floppy disks

static schooner
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My stacks of blank CD-Rs keep the dust off my shelf in my closet

junior forge
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omg, I still have a few of those spindles as well.. Problem is mostly... I dunno; some actually have data on them, some are empty 🙈

static schooner
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I've taken images of the discs that I want to keep and store them on my NAS, so I don't really need any of them anymore. I've also found that CD/DVD-Rs degrade over time and aren't really suitable for long-term storage

iron granite
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I still have some long time storage M-Disc Blu-Rays lying around.

primal laurel
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I used to put my pirated xbox games on there

minor bobcat
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At work we regularly burn CDs but we also send Fax sooo...

high remnant
forest edge
primal laurel
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You still use floppy drives?

peak slate
peak slate
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Can't run it from anything else

gaunt marsh
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is there an appropriate chat for ios companion app support/feature requests?

iron granite
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-# I know. Hard to guess.

gaunt marsh
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sorry im not really much of a discord user. it looked like i forum board, but i see now that there also is a chat

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thank you

iron granite
gaunt marsh
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im really just trying to confirm that the ios app dos not have mtls client support. it doesn't appear to, and the docs only mention android, but i figured i would ask around for clarity.

primal laurel
gaunt marsh
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i imagine they have a reason if it's all high traffic. but it's definitely less satisfying than just speaking into an open chatroom.

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super bummed about lack of mtls support on ios, but thanks for the help.

scenic radish
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tbf the posts are still live chat. i'd argue it makes it easier to help people as opposed to the chaos of multiple conversations going on at once in a channel

primal laurel
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posts are not live chat

trail crag
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yes the live chat happens within the post

primal laurel
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lmao

trail crag
forest edge
scenic radish
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so same as in a regular channel?

primal laurel
iron granite
primal laurel
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id rather drink piss

forest edge
iron granite
primal laurel
trail crag
forest edge
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I get the point. just saying.. it is not the same

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it does lose out on some eyes potentially seeing the problem

primal laurel
scenic radish
forest edge
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imagine if the activity was higher. if there was a new support post in every support channel every few seconds

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you going to tell me those won't end up being just like a post in a normal channel?

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gettting scrolled down to the void lol

scenic radish
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no, because you can at least see individual issues broken out

forest edge
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it would be so much that it would feel no different than a normal channel. hell you can go in and add spacing between posts in these normal channel to match the same spacing in those forum ones lol

high remnant
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stupid fucking app

light trout
primal laurel
high remnant
scenic radish
high remnant
gaunt marsh
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oooh this is much more lively than a post 😄

high remnant
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sometimes

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only usually when @scenic radish posts his looooooooooong hallway

static schooner
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much less dense with respect to information

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raccoon density is much higher, though

last cedar
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Like this

weak musk
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what, there are no walls there

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this is confusing

static schooner
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good luck getting those guys to climb onto each other to build a wall...

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gravity will win every time

last cedar
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Spherical is also a shape

iron granite
last cedar
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Not a great wall making shape, but still a shape

last cedar
last cedar
iron granite
static schooner
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use the right animal for the job

iron granite
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You gotta use what you have at hand... or paw.

static schooner
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no way would that ceiling raccoon meet wall building code

weak musk
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A raccoon in the hand is worth 2 in the bush

weak musk
last cedar
weak musk
static schooner
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You can watch TV on your fridge! they said
You can put your shopping list on your fridge! they said

Puts ads on your fridge...

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just attach an Android tablet onto it and use it for another HA dashboard

crisp oriole
primal laurel
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We kind of already accepted this on smart TVs

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On a Samsung TV half the main menu is an ad

crisp oriole
amber bramble
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i hate that i can't just buy a dumb tv anymore

crisp oriole
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2017 build

warm helm
static schooner
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I'm afraid that it would still start blogging about TV shows or something

ocean oar
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As a bonus (at least for what we use them for at work) you can buy ones warrantied to be left on 24/7

amber bramble
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true, they just tend to be way more expensive

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though some of those are nice and have local network control APIs or serial control options

forest edge
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well "dumb tv" is also an optional mode on many of them

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you shoose it during setup

normal moon
weak musk
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Or just literally don’t plug it in/connect it to the internet and use a smart box. The only tvs where this crap is unavoidable are the bottom of the barrel models and brands.

gusty belfry
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MQTT hates me.

scenic radish
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y

gusty belfry
scenic radish
gusty belfry
static schooner
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perhaps you don't have enough energy

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hope that helps

gusty belfry
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I really don't

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Also TP-Link isn't letting me delete devices. What a great day.

forest edge
gusty belfry
mighty rose
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I learnt so much about Zigbee when I started with it from the zigbee chat channel - just observing the questions and flow of chat. I doubt it'd be as helpful now.

young sigil
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So why are you still here if you dislike it so much?

arctic quarry
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conviction

iron granite
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Or convection - just floating around following the current.

arctic quarry
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or convolution - being affected by, and affecting, neighbouring cells.

iron granite
mighty rose
wheat coral
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Can anyone point me towards resources to install HAOS on a RK3328

iron granite
last cedar
fathom sparrow
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and use broadlink or harmony

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I'm dreading the day that harmony stops working but I have backup plans with broadlink

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Also, get a roku ultra but make sure you have pihole or adguard

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roku collects information like it's their job

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The one nice thing about roku is that it has a local api and it's pretty good

high remnant
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I have bought an LG display and it came with smart TV functionality

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rage inducing

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that shit pisses me off so much

primal laurel
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If they did it properly it could be good. But it's slow as hell and filled with ads

random field
#

Where would be the best place to ask about power consumption meters that have HA integrations (if possible, one I can buy on amazon.es), to be able to monitor my house's power usage?

fathom sparrow
high remnant
iron granite
primal laurel
# 
SYSTEM (REPL): showing an error caused an error
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oh

last cedar
gusty belfry
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I will never financially recover from this.

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forest edge
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the irony of all this more energy efficient crap yet we use more energy now than we ever had lol

static schooner
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I set up an 8 shelf rack of Mac minis and dev boards at work and the entire thing draws 100-110W

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I didn't believe it and had to confirm...

primal laurel
forest edge
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so like 8 rpi's

static schooner
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Crazy fast for that, and super small now

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They idle at less than 10w

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There even smaller than the beelink n100s

forest edge
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I think the n100 are generally over 100w

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oh nm thats the ones with seperate gpus lol

forest edge
primal laurel
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Nah. Compute hunger is just gonna grow

high remnant
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lol

static schooner
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Something is terribly wrong. I've somehow run out of espresso beans

forest edge
static schooner
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Just that

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That level of energy requires espresso, though

iron granite
static schooner
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It's a chicken-and-egg problem

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Fortunately, I still have plenty of beans for pour over

iron granite
static schooner
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They're not good for espresso, though

primal laurel
forest edge
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I freaking love these thai ads