the-water-cooler

[split grail]

does changing stat values in HA have to be so tedious?

[atomic delta]

Woohoo, got my weather station connected. Now to figure out how to make a helper to convert degrees into compass directions.

This thing is neat, but it's ah... a bit beefy for what I'm after.

[primal laurel]

Do you have to complain about everything? In the wrong place?

[atomic delta]

Discord didn't show me the reply for a moment and I thought you meant me somehow. Was going to say, I've got nothing but praise to offer most of the time...

[split grail]

It's just interesting that the dialog doesn't stay open when you submit a value so if you have multiple values to change you have to open it and select the time for every single one. I would have thought it would just go back to the previous dialog and not close it entirely. unless I'm missing something

[unborn merlin]

you forgot american healthcare.

[atomic delta]

Found someone else's solution on forums and shamelessly stole it. Hooray for learning another day!

And it even seems to work.

[ocean oar]

I was going to say you could do this in a template sensor

['N','NNE','NE','NEE','E','ESE','SE','SSE','S','SSW','SW','WSW','W','WNW','NW','NNW','N'][round(dir/22.5)]

guessing it was something like that

[atomic delta]

Pretty damn close, yeah

[ocean oar]

I have a few things doing horrible array references like that 😆

[split grail]

I use the same card

I have coloured to wikipedia's beaufort scale

[atomic delta]

{% set direction = ['N','NNE','NE','ENE','E','ESE','SE','SSE','S','SSW','SW','WSW','W','WNW','NW','NNW','N'] %}
{% set degree = states('sensor.gw2000b_wind_direction')|float %}
{{ direction[((degree+11.25)/22.5)|int] }}

[ocean oar]

Same principle, yep

[atomic delta]

Honestly I feel like that should be a default helper

Though I guess it's not terribly generic.

[atomic delta]

It's a neat card, just bad for screens you're trying to pack information into.

[split grail]

yeah

I've been trying to find a polar graph to plot wind direction on but so far no luck

[atomic delta]

Honestly I'm looking forward to seeing how ours shapes up. We get -wind- here. Like 60-80mph.

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/it-fucken-wimdy-its-fucking-gif-24928261

this is the only wind meter you need

[atomic delta]

Technically you could make a card show that over a certain value.

[unborn merlin]

Oh I know.. 😛

[split grail]

I know some weather integrations literally come with wind direction letters

[atomic delta]

Yeah, not this one. Direct from weather station.

[split grail]

I swear mine did

I knew I wasn't going crazy

[atomic delta]

Seems like the latest update for the android app is making it stall on a grey screen on open half the time. Bah.

[unborn merlin]

and if its hurricane force..

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

without the text. 😛

[atomic delta]

Honestly, I have nothing but respect for that guy. He saw his opportunity and he took it.

[unborn merlin]

he's a floridaman he was already disadvantaged.

[forest edge]

i think there was a case of that from smithville lake many years ago

[static schooner]

Team Weather Stone

I remember a girl dying from it a while ago, I think swinging on a tire swing or from a rope into a lake?

[static schooner]

I have cats that would love this: https://www.threads.com/@nicholastaylor85/post/DNtslsVXiX7?xmt=AQF0kWgzNuS0rsy1QrJBg54w1cgpgE5144IORtbalVra1A&slof=1

[dusty mica]

This Llama Local?

[static schooner]

It doesn't look very powerful for machine learning

Maybe cats don't need a very complex model

[dusty mica]

Its a stable model though, it has 4 legs

dont know if its quick.. lol

[unborn merlin]

really hard to lock in the base params though

little bastards keep moving

[dusty mica]

nail them

Floating?

[high remnant]

this is the issue: i dont

[stuck anchor]

good luck introducing xai technologies to that llama model

[chrome dust]

Anyone used a ESP32 squeezelite?

Driving myself nuts trying to configure the DAC

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re "just asking a question", you're asking for support. Head to https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 to help you find where you should post your question. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[dusty mica]

check https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1408800465163915304

[chrome dust]

Ah got it in the end

[fickle delta]

I have a HA yellow, does it have the bluetooth or I should buy a dongle? IF dongle, what is the recommendation?

[strong lion]

Hi am new here

[knotty ruin]

Hey badtelcotech! A curved monitor is basically a screen with a slight inward curve that matches the natural field of view of your eyes. The curve makes movies, games, and even multitasking feel more immersive since it kind of wraps around your vision. It can also reduce edge distortion and sometimes even help with eye comfort. If you want to see what they look like, check out some examples here:https://www.lenovo.com/ca/en/d/accessories-and-monitors/monitors/curved-monitors/

[hushed basalt]

Did I just get astroturfed by a bot for a 4 year old meme

[solar zealot]

Must have been

[iron granite]

[iron granite]

#1284966353798697001

[solar zealot]

What is a potato

I can't tell

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/potato-emmy-emmy28potato-gif-24833658

[primal laurel]

Olivia Barn

[solar zealot]

That means absolutely nothing to me

[static schooner]

You've passed the test 🎉

[high remnant]

i got an ticket 🥺🥺

[high remnant]

for speeding

all 7 of us lol

[trail island]

Is this the only place to chat to get help?

some actual back and forth dailog

[primal laurel]

No chat was killed

Everything is posts in support now

[static schooner]

Make a post in the appropriate place and get actual back and forth dialog 🤷

[proper swift]

kinda...

[forest edge]

Noooooooooooooooo https://youtu.be/XYq7sCel2VI?si=05B68X6dpGgAQq35

[jolly whale]

what us this????

i cant seem to be able to add a new matter device

it keeps on asking me this

no qr code, nothing

[forest edge]

gotta have a matter server running

[jolly whale]

and how do i do that. . .

[weak musk]

#1284966617670881350

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re "just asking a question", you're asking for support. Head to https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 to help you find where you should post your question. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[jolly whale]

oops my bad

[merry bronze]

Is it possible to factory reset a Zwave motion sensor which was paired to a stick ? I no longer have the zwave stck.

This is the sensor, https://www.manualslib.com/manual/913510/Linear-Wapirz-1.html

[merry bronze]

I want to pair this with ZWA-2, but need to factory reset it first.

[primal laurel]

go to #1284966617670881350

[stuck anchor]

when we started phasing out copper we offered fiber routers with built in voip and analog phone connector. plug in your old landline phone and it works just like before. we terminated the last consumer copper connection last year.

[forest edge]

that's what they do here. still not the same though

[stuck anchor]

not completely the same. for one you don't have phone service if your router doesn't have power

but if that is important you get a cell phone. doesn't have to be smart

[forest edge]

voip introduces a lot more instances of no service

[young sigil]

The NTDs supplied here have battery backup and dedicated VoIP outlets.

[forest edge]

cable modems will often have battery backups.. not seen a fiber one but then only seen google fiber so far lol

but even then. if maintenance is being performed it knocks that out as well

[stuck anchor]

i just heard about this interaction

american exchange student in uk: "when is the british independence day?"
welshman: "britain is the reason other countries have independence days"

[young sigil]

Actually l just leaned this is being phased out, https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbn/documents/sell/wba/2023/notification-of-product-feature-withdrawal-uni-v-and-battery-backup-for-ethernet-fibre-20230526.pdf.coredownload.pdf

[clever solstice]

anyone using android experience an update recently that made home assistant app slow to load?

used to be instance when opening the app, now i get a blue loading circle for ~15 seconds, then app loads and everything is quick.

it's just the initial opening of the app that seems to have changed overnight

[static schooner]

#1284965926336335993

[proper swift]

I dunno how I feel about Shelly. The device is good, works great. Worst set of instructions I have ever seen on a device tho..

[dawn badge]

which device?

[proper swift]

I managed to get it wired, after hours of duck searching and fiddling. The PM1. The diagram is nonsense, the instructions and diagrams online are all nonsense, and I feel like I'm not a clown when it comes to eletricity. I mean, I've installed over 90 zwave outlets switches etc, and probably 50+ insteons ones backin the day. This one was mytifying. maybe it's just the EU way of doing diagrams?

[arctic quarry]

tbf we do employ so-called "nonsense diagrams"

they can be a bit hard to get your head around

I believe there's new regs coming

[dawn badge]

I (in the UK) have a bunch of shelly stuff and never had this issue. i guess perhaps it could be just a difference in diagrams are done though.

[proper swift]

like the basic diagram just shows things connecting in ways that make zero sense, and isn't how you physically wire it

and all I wanted was a hidden switch behind an outlet, and you would think that owuld be the simple setup

and it IS, thats the thing, but the diagram is crazypants

[dawn badge]

could you draw out what you did in a way you would imagine it should be demonstrated?
i am just curious really

[proper swift]

maybe the way diagrams are done in the UK just makes sense, if you are used to them.. Ill buy that

[dawn badge]

where are you? US?

[proper swift]

US, yeah

[dawn badge]

you have that dodgy split phase business over there so i guess diagrams might sometimes look different. although when i have looked at us stuff i can usually make sense of it knowing the basics on how it opporates

but as i mentioned, it would be interesting to see how you would draw it out compared to how the manual shows or even how i would for example draw it

[proper swift]

apologies for my suckness at paint

the thing is, the diagram in the manual, and then the one printed on the device are just crazypants to me. for example, it shows that internally, O is connected to N. why?

[dawn badge]

the diagram on it is not the internal structure its showing you how it should be connected

[proper swift]

ok then why does it show N connected to O?

and what is the O with the X supposed to represent?

[dawn badge]

the load

its telling you to do this

[proper swift]

so that is telling me to wire the outlet's HOT to O and the outlets Neutral to N?

[silent dove]

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[proper swift]

this isn't support, I already have it working. 🙂 this is just whining. 🙂

no, i mean, i guess that is what I did.. when I think about it.. but.. I dunno.. I guess the OX needed a L/N tomake sense?

if the diagram was like ----L--OX--N---- my brain would have grocked it maybe

[weak musk]

Relatable

[proper swift]

I dunno.. for some reason i found it to be the hardest diagram to wrap my brain around

[proper swift]

and all the "simple online examples" were using it as one of those switch replacement things where you wire it inline with a switch, which admittedly, is way more complex than what I wanted

no.. I mean, now that i've done it and see the diagram it makes sense

[dawn badge]

in this diagram, if you image the 2 N's are connected together it may make more sense i guess

[proper swift]

also, the instructions had no steps for zwave inclusion. just a qr code. Which again, I get, but usually they have manual inclusion steps also.

yeah that one is a bit better.. I think the OX is your device is where my brain failed to grok

and that the output of O is HOT

[dawn badge]

yeah i can see if you dont understand the symbol indicated the load then it could be confusing

[proper swift]

like, the device is pretty bulletproof, I'll give it that, because at one point I thought it was switching the neutral on and off, which, seemed insane to me, but I was clearly lost.

[dawn badge]

once you have wires a couple of shelly things you don't really need a manual anymore anyway as its pretty easy

[proper swift]

right.. i think thats true.. I could easily do this again. but the first one, man, I was yelling at the wall and gave up for a few hours. 🙂

[dawn badge]

shelly use O for output as a generic. mostly in the UK we would call it "switched live"

[proper swift]

ok, right there, that word would have done wonders

[dawn badge]

i think its probably a generic to ease with translations and there are some non switched power monitors so if "switched" was dropped it would just be live which would be ambiguous between inputs/outputs.
i think output makes more sense long term but yeah you have to know

in any case, probably spammed this channel enough 😛

[proper swift]

the switch does exactly what I wanted, and it works now, so my complaints are purely whines, but I can see them getting alot of returns..

[ocean oar]

The matching "I" for input on the ones that are a dry contact and not just switched from the inlet power make it more obvious that their shorthand is input/output. I still don't like that I and O are so easily confused with 1 and 0 but what can you do?

[proper swift]

maybe the brain issue is, if you print it on the device like they did, I assumed it was an internal diagram, and not an external wiring schematic

[dawn badge]

yeah I can see that being a thing. it showing the load for me would dispel that straight away but if you dont know that symbol though i do see where your coming from. although i thought it was common enough symbol and most people doing installs would know it but perhaps not all over

[dawn badge]

yeah I would agree with that

[proper swift]

I think us americans have never seen the OX thing before

[ocean oar]

I think the confusion for a lot of people could be that the diagram is kinda both; it shows the internal wiring (the "switch" in the dotted box being the relay), but then also the external wiring with the ⓧ load symbol

[proper swift]

i suspect that is what happened. i assumed it was an internal diagram, and then tried to extrapolate the proper connections from there, and was dutifully confused

[dawn badge]

yeah its not an unfair observation

[dawn badge]

do you use stuff like this for bulbs perhaps?

[proper swift]

I don't think I've seen that symbol

[dawn badge]

we used to use that but switched to an x becausse its easier to draw and is a generic load instead of just a bulb

[proper swift]

usually you see something like a coil with raidiation coming off

iirc

[dawn badge]

yeah we don't use that one although looking at it i would probably get what it meant from context

[proper swift]

sometimes the show little lines or whatever for "light emission"

[dawn badge]

only thing with light lines i can think of is led symbol

[proper swift]

yeah, I've seen the lines like that on a bulb coil symbol

[dawn badge]

gotcha

[proper swift]

probably not a std, just a way to make it more obvious

[dawn badge]

may also depend on who they expect to be doing the installation too

[proper swift]

in the end my overcomplex calendar is working and I'm happy.. so.. yeah, i'd buy one again

and the crazy graph addict in me likes the power metering

I have deulsions sometimes about every single outlet and plug being metered...

I feel like if some zwave company started selling metered decora switches my wallet would be in trouble

[static schooner]

Sounds like Inovelli Red

at least the Blues do that for Zigbee

[forest edge]

the red's and blue's are really neat. just hope they actually last and not turn out to be something that will need to be replaced in just a few years

i guess they got a white one for matter now

[static schooner]

I've had many Blues for 2 years without any issues

[forest edge]

was refering to the ones with mmwave

[lyric pasture]

What smart plug with power monitoring do you recommend? zigbee or wifi? I want know when my washing machine is done

[weak musk]

#1284966353798697001

[midnight adder]

Has anyone setup esp32s3 with zigbee and home assistant? I am thinking of updating my wifi smart switches that are running esp32s3 chips.

[static schooner]

#1284966617670881350

[weak musk]

Similar for me. It would work well in the bathrooms I think, and my office but literally nothing else.

this whole thing or something different https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wi-fi-routers-used-to-detect-human-locations-poses-within-a-room

[static schooner]

It would be much easier if we just redesigned humans to be easier to detect

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-good-news-everyone-professor-farnsworth-great-news-gif-17213270

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/ufo-landing-eric-cartman-south-park-s1e1-season01ep01cartman-gets-an-anal-probe-gif-21525273

[weak musk]

I thought that already happened with the first Covid vaccines?

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-the-aliens-im-not-saying-it-was-aliens-ancient-aliens-gif-14839810013080040984

[primal laurel]

humans are very easy to detect. There are few things in the room which have our shape, are breathing and have a heart rate. That google hub thingy can detect both while you're sleeping through a blanket

its hard to have both good and cheap radar processing

[mild kiln]

fwiw, I came in here the other day sharing my sadness that my Z-Wave motion sensor didn't work inside my metal mailbox. I swapped in a LoRa motion sensor today and it works flawlessly. Setup all the automations/sensors/etc... around it so I can send notifications and track mail delivery.

[primal laurel]

the good stuff is in automotive. but its not cheap...

in uni they did real time object detection with NXP automotive radar on a 1GHz quad core. That was a few years ago so maybe you can do better now lol

[atomic delta]

Good lord, just realized this helper is going to bloat my log size.

[static schooner]

Seems you live inside a tornado

[atomic delta]

Northern Nevada, so frequent and tumultuous wind.

Maybe I should switch it to the 10 minute average instead.

[static schooner]

Or just don't record it

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/wizzard-oz-wizard-of-tornado-gif-19049749

[static schooner]

I at least don't care about historical wind direction

[atomic delta]

Can I turn off logs/history for a sensor? Never even occurred to me that was an option.

Yeah, if that's possible I'm not seeing how, at least via the UI. I'll search around a bit though.

Ah, found it. Seemingly not available via the UI.

[atomic delta]

...huh. And it's not working.

[scenic radish]

You'll need to restart HA for it to take effect, but post in #1284966540617449515 if you need more help

[atomic delta]

Yeah, I'm thinking I'll be doing so.

[atomic delta]

Welp, that was an easier fix than expected.

[summer depot]

@midnight adder the S3 does not have native Zigbee. You'd need an addon Zigbee radio. The C6 and H2 have native Zigbee and Espressif libraries

[midnight adder]

Oh- that sucks. I thought the S3 was a suped up C6

[dusty mica]

little typo in sidebar, LOGBOOK should be LOGBOEK in dutch.

[static schooner]

https://developers.home-assistant.io/docs/translations/

[forest edge]

wtf is a logboek

[dusty mica]

its a logbook 😉

Logs

[dusty mica]

It's quiet on discord..

[glacial knot]

nah, it's a party in here. Must be on your end

[unborn merlin]

its midnight/2am in freedomland

oops. "Freedom"land.

[iron granite]

[glacial knot]

oh yea, it's office times here

@red rock take a guess at how much my opinion on the upstream dev process changed

[red rock]

A little bit better because someone proposed another solution

But I dont think either PR got merged at this point

But I'm a bit out of the loop this week since I'm working on my apartment

[glacial knot]

renovating?

[red rock]

Got a new one

[glacial knot]

Nice!

recently moved as well

still don't have any light fixtures in the office

and too many lights not yet smartified...

[red rock]

Oh man, my apartment will escalate lol

[glacial knot]

what's the fun plans?

So far I'm still only on lights+music for actuators...
Some window blinds as well, but nothing fancy planned

[glacial knot]

now that's an optimistic outlook

[red rock]

Moar power sockets

[red rock]

I know

[glacial knot]

yea, I'm considering putting some in as well...

But not motivated to pull cables...

There's a light switch that turns the printer off now

[red rock]

Lmfao

[red rock]

Oh I am

[forest edge]

why is your walls leaking diarrhea?

[red rock]

Yes

[forest edge]

so you have to chisel pathways to run wiring?

[red rock]

Yes

[forest edge]

that looks like plaster. just how thick is that?

[glacial knot]

This one will be a lot of fun
Top is a tap switch that controls a relay in the distribution box
Middle is a 2 way switch
Bottom a normal socket

And I want to replace both the normal switches with some esp32 based atrocities

[unborn merlin]

you mean "Just use a shelly?" 😛

[glacial knot]

^^ for the middle one that could work (ignoring the constraint space), but it doesn't work well for the top one

OTOH, I might just replace that one in the distribution cabinet. It's just a DIN rail component

[unborn merlin]

look at you flexing on us in this shithole country with bad panels that we can't do nice things like that. 💔

😛

look at those connections

you're not even..

Actively work hardening the copper to make it a pain in the fucking ass to ever do anything on it in the future!

[glacial knot]

what? you mean those silly drilled on nuts?

[forest edge]

stuffing a crap ton of stranded copper wire in a multiple round boxes next to each other is nice things?

|| some people are just weird ||

[glacial knot]

where in the bloody fuck do you see stranded copper?

[forest edge]

that middle box isn't stranded?

what guage are those wires?

[glacial knot]

of course it isn't. It's running in-wall

I'd have to measure, I suspect 1.5m², it's only lights

[forest edge]

so 16awg. ok those bends make a little more sense

those are thinner than ours

[glacial knot]

probably less. But I won't take the out to check bare copper without reason 🤷

[forest edge]

does germany not have code for electrical?

[glacial knot]

???

[forest edge]

like standard requirements for wiring

ah you do

1.5 for lights, 2.5 for sockets and 4 for appliaces etc

so 16awg, 14awg and 12awg

my entire house is ran with 12awg aside from appliances like stove etc

so I couldn't pack that much wire into a box lol

[glacial knot]

yea, I'm wondering what kind of insanity lead to the question

Top ones are also wildly overspecced. They should be 5V and almost no current since it's just sense and not running current

[forest edge]

the question on if your country uses some type of coding for wiring?

your showing us exposed wiring. thought you would know what you were messing with

[glacial knot]

yea, i'm wondering why you'd think it doesn't

[forest edge]

#the-water-cooler message

[glacial knot]

???

so it is insanity

[forest edge]

which part? you not knowing or not understand what I meant by "code"

I get the not knowing what I meant by "code" since you are from a different country. no idea what you all refer to the practice as

"standards" maybe?

[dusty mica]

phase=brown, null=blue ground=yellow/green and switching=black

normally 2.5mm2 in households, though 1.5mm2 can be used for switching

[forest edge]

the term switching to me is confusing. "lighting" makes more sense to me

switching implys anything you can put on a switch which could be anything

[dusty mica]

agree, did not know the english term..

[forest edge]

we only use two types of wire. 14awg(2.5m) and 12awg(4.0m) for the majority of things in a home. exception is high amperage appliances such as electric stoves, ac condensers..

[ocean oar]

Per the regulations, induction stoves can require up to 10mm² here, depending on the length of cable between the switchboard and stove

6mm² for shorter distances

The thicker cable starts to become mighty unpleasant to work with

[glacial knot]

what smart gadgets are you adding there?

[forest edge]

why I said I would never be able to get as much wire shoved into a box as what ongy showed. also why I guessed stranded since it's more easier to compact lol

[red rock]

None yet

[glacial knot]

no heated LED shower?

[minor bobcat]

We have 2 of these in our new location. 230V 32A, 10mm² cables

[forest edge]

in the shower?

[minor bobcat]

That's why it's blue

Gotta get your prints whenever you want

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-ever-happened-to-robot-jones-robot-jones-cartoon-network-pu-to-pe-shower-gif-11068658150396229445

[glacial knot]

I only got a couple of https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.24h-7d.de%2Fimages%2FPCE%2Fpce-set015-6u215-6.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=c1fa7abe5e9756e8ac25b90a2fe6b1674765b6b57b231110dd330999d3ec14c2 in the garage

[minor bobcat]

Our electricians installed them first. They thought we sent them the wrong specsheet and just went for those instead

[glacial knot]

But why did you opt for something worse? o.0

[haughty thorn]

I need a reliable wifi switch to remotley reboot a raspberry pi server. Reliable in the sense that it only switches off when commanded to and returns power to reboot copmputer. The Tapo product seems popular / inexpensive. What is the most reliable product?

[primal laurel]

#1284966353798697001

[haughty thorn]

Thanks Stefan, I will post my question in hardware

[glacial knot]

oh, I'm definitely pulling a lan cable to my living room setup

I'm just not entirely sure yet how to route it

[solar zealot]

the moment stuff gets more latency critical, wifi still underperforms by a lot in certain environments

If you are touching a wall, might as well slice and put the stuff in

[glacial knot]

didn't we have this exact conversation a month ago when I first said I'll pull a cable there?

[solar zealot]

Neither voice nor video calls is really critical in that regard. Data it doesn't get in time simply gets dropped and you might not even notice

If you were to remote control stuff or do gaming, this gets much more noticable

[glacial knot]

I have one device there that has no wifi^^

currently uses a 20€ 10 year old wifi N AP as bridge

[solar zealot]

Poe is a nice bonus to me, I like the reliability of it. Especially as you aren't competing on airtime with all of the small iot devices that don't actually transmit reasonably much data

[scenic radish]

PoE is one of the coolest innovations IMO

It just makes so much sense

Hell yes. I have one of those

[glacial knot]

I don't dare running PoE over the wires in the walls here... and I can't easily replace them 😦

[scenic radish]

That's the same switch I have in my garage to power cameras and an AP

[swift prism]

https://www.searspartsdirect.com/manual/3n42hxa2c1-003027/proscan-32lc30s57-lcd-television-parts

Picked up this TV in a local freecycle group, thinking of uses for it; mythtv? hacking an old, now out of support apple tv and using jellyfin? using raspi and making some cool home assistant interface?

[arctic quarry]

a TV is just a computer monitor with spyware parts innit

[steady yew]

Man I see so many people using bubble card these days. Is there any advantage to having a popup vs navigating to another page?

[weak musk]

It’s all preference.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/k2so-droid-star-wars-rogue-one-i-find-that-answer-vague-and-unconvincing-gif-26208560

[primal laurel]

Everyone has an opinion. But my opinion is better.

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/false-wrong-fake-incorrect-untrue-gif-23252753

[static schooner]

Opinions are like bubble...cards

[steady yew]

Fair enough. I was mostly wondering if there was some advantage. Since you seem to be losing the top ~15% of screen real estate.

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/D86an4uN7FE?si=BfF0Fc9O-fy0L1ul&t=90

[scenic radish]

so as a long-time Tasmota enjoyer, I will say I've taken a shine to ESPHome since someone released an external Zigbee component that allowed me to convert one of my wi-fi devices to a Zigbee device with an ESP32-C6 🎉

(unrelated to the video Sonoma just shared)

[forest edge]

you mean adding a whole esp board just to use as zigbee?

[scenic radish]

swapping the ESP on the board with an ESP32-C6

[forest edge]

ah

[scenic radish]

necessary? no, but it was fun

[forest edge]

i thought about trying to do something like that once... once.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-starwars-galaxy-far-gif-8033254

[drifting adder]

hello all. i've got a Pi4 that i'm using pios+ser2net for my zwave controller. i'd like to use the bluetooth on the pi4 as well. anyone know if there is a bluetooth proxy software that can be used on pi os that works with the bluetooth integration?

[forest edge]

at this point you'd be better off slapping haos on it

[drifting adder]

thought about that as an option, but would like to run it as a slave. however, it looked like i needed something from hacs to make that work

[forest edge]

not really. you can pass stuff between instances through several ways but this channel frowns on us talking about such things

[iron granite]

[drifting adder]

just describe the channel that i would be looking at, and i'll do the rest of the searching

[static schooner]

kinda of a #the-workshop thing, as it doesn't really involve HA

[forest edge]

i mean bridging is, wouldn't it be more #1284966582375813201 ?

[static schooner]

question was about adding some Bluetooth functionality to a Pi running Pi OS

[forest edge]

oh well in that situation, sure

[static schooner]

As far as I know, the only "bluetooth proxy" is based on ESPHome

[forest edge]

when in doubt ask in #find-a-channel amiright

@tidal bronze you enjoying that weather?

do they put you under a heat advisory when temps tick over from 72 to 73 and above?

[static schooner]

We just have an AwesomeIndex

[scenic radish]

Currently loving this

@lone dagger are you proud of me??

[tidal bronze]

More or less 😀

[static schooner]

It's like a Weather Stone that you don't even need to look at it, because it's always awesome

[tidal bronze]

I always have to remind myself how lucky we are.

[lapis cairn]

Is there a HA integration for a weather stone?

[drifting adder]

where ya at, @tidal bronze?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-fire-gif-24602514

[tidal bronze]

Somewhere in LA

[lapis cairn]

Looks more like Canada

[scenic radish]

https://youtube.com/shorts/j4AabEPtxII

https://youtu.be/m0b_D2JgZgY

[drifting adder]

ah. it's a bit warmer up the 5 from me i guess

[tidal bronze]

What's your 20?

[forest edge]

roger roger

[tidal bronze]

Beautiful!

[forest edge]

85% humidity.. oof

[drifting adder]

we are truely blessed

[static schooner]

Humidity is pretty high

[drifting adder]

yeah. for 3 days. but at 70 degrees, it's bearable. i always just remember how it was in texas before we moved here

[static schooner]

I have been using my AC for the past few weeks, it just doesn't have to do a lot

[scenic radish]

Dew point of 65F / 18.5C which isn't terrible

[tidal bronze]

Tell us more about TX

[scenic radish]

Not super comfortable but can be a lot worse

[drifting adder]

you here too, @static schooner?

[forest edge]

you can leave off the C part.. noone here really pays attention that anyways

[scenic radish]

I doubt that lol

[forest edge]

only the night crew follows that weirdness

[static schooner]

Whereever you go, there you are

[lone dagger]

[tidal bronze]

Next weekend in Vegas. I will have to hide inside for 3 days. No SPF is going to help me out there.

[forest edge]

is that tuya weather device dashboard?

[tidal bronze]

Oof

[lone dagger]

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smirk-dark-side-evil-dog-dog-smile-gif-15161312519845411874

[iron granite]

[drifting adder]

i lived in del mar when i first moved here. liking PB a lot more

[tidal bronze]

@drifting adder so where you at down the 5

[drifting adder]

about 10mins south of rob. west of the 5, overlooking mission bay

[tidal bronze]

Oh nice. SD folk

[forest edge]

you go watch the backstreet boys at the sphere?

[static schooner]

I overlook other houses from my house, but my office has an ocean view

[tidal bronze]

You are, my fire!

[forest edge]

ugh.. you did.. gross

[stuck mortar]

It’s his one desire

[dawn badge]

tell me why?

[iron granite]

Ain't nothin′ but a heartache

[forest edge]

I wouldn't mind seeing something || not the backstreet boys || in the sphere one day but considering vegas prices.. I'll hard pass

$20 for a can of coke is where I draw the line

[peak slate]

Hey I'm going to some concerts in Vegas in a few weeks, but those are outdoors, will be jamming for like 16 hours out there

[forest edge]

what interest rate did you get on that loan?

guess i should get off my butt and go mow

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/i-go-meow-gif-14888915591449967112

[tidal bronze]

Spend that $20

[static schooner]

I bought a $20 beer at a baseball game on Thursday, but fortunately my company covered it. I was even more expensive than I expected, though

[forest edge]

rather catch my money on fire than give someone 20 bucks for a can of soda

would feel better spent and if I could do it after pretending like I was going to hand it over would be a bonus

[static schooner]

and a lot of time I was watching the TV mounted conveniently in front of my seat to see what just happened 🙂

The best seat for a game is definitely at home

[drifting adder]

i did the same on saturday night. was a good game 🙂

decent seats, but I agree with you guys. i wouldn't go if the tickets weren't free

[forest edge]

I think sport complex prices are suppose to jump in price soon

just like everything else

the beef prices caught me a little off guard

https://youtu.be/sZkB11pO9R8?si=e358QqHyDGq-cRAg

[frigid bear]

Perhaps wrong channel, but has anyone set up HA in a space like their work office to have lights automated or am I overthinking this…

[sudden ember]

no place i have worked would allow something like that

[dawn badge]

its been touched on a few times. its not something that is generally been recommended but its definitely doable.

[frigid bear]

Does anyone know if a brand like Govee or something similar can do automations through an app based on a schedule or something

[atomic delta]

Huh, this exists. I'm very tempted.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DBLMFX57

Basically a Pi5 UPS powered by four 21700s

Think I'mma get it.

[primal laurel]

Why does a pi need a ups?

[forest edge]

solar

[ocean oar]

Using pogo pins is certainly an interesting choice. I mean I'm sure it's fine, but certainly unusual

[forest edge]

cleaner than having a wire wrap around

[ocean oar]

Got used to seeing "solutions" to that problem like a PCB with two 90° surface-mounted USB-C on it:

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-no-problem-here-no-problem-crossed-eyes-dont-worry-gif-16343187

[forest edge]

<@&330946878646517761>s

[keen bridge]

[glacial knot]

Sadly I can't go to the IFA meetup...
I wonder if there will be pins there

[solar zealot]

shiny at Ifa?

[fair temple]

Looks like i will need to connect my garage door. To HA. Setup automations and remote open. I think Open Garage is the current popular choice. Am I correct or is there something else that people are using

[forest edge]

https://ratcloud.llc/

[fair temple]

Thx

[forest edge]

always fun to see

[arctic quarry]

demonic alien entity goes "yaaay!"

[ocean oar]

I got one of those too 😆

[arctic quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/get-stick-bugged-lol-stick-bug-stick-bugged-get-stick-bugged-bee-swarm-simulator-gif-26063005

[dawn badge]

my first thought was that Moloch had come for you

[forest edge]

ever see The Mothman Prophecies? that be the thing to capture on a camera to make you soil yourself

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/themothman/images/5/57/Moth303.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20160325025241

[hushed basalt]

Is that Adam from Evangelion?

[ocean oar]

You show me moths, all I can think about are lamp memes

[wispy orbit]

Has anyone else issues with authenticating with Volvo ? Authentication expired and am unable to use the integration anymore

[iron granite]

#find-support

[glacial knot]

Meh
Switching from Spotify to Amazon music because my mom wants to save some €
Spotify is available as MA provider. Amazon isn't 🙁

[crisp oriole]

And now spotify will be more expensive if you change back

[glacial knot]

She's moving because of an announced pricing change

[glacial knot]

Plex 🤢

[high remnant]

all my homies pay through the nose for all the available streaming services

[proper swift]

but.. but.. it's only 7.99 a month.. ( times 10 )

[high remnant]

think about those poor shareholders or the c-level. how else can they afford another yacht

[primal laurel]

gotta stop sponsoring these american companies with their shitty values and terrible leadership

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/viva-la-revolution-gif-11760395

[tidal bronze]

Everyone safe after the Haboob?

[iron granite]

No unexpected boobs here.

[crisp oriole]

Well that where a decoy is for

[dawn marlin]

How about if we took all these streaming services and glued them together for one price, and then you could go between all the different streaming services, sort of “surf” them and then they could sell ads and put in them too

😂

[high remnant]

Nono, if we do that we cannot extract the maximum amount of money from you.

[dawn marlin]

We could even give it a weird funky name

Like cable

[crisp oriole]

I have a system for all my music needs called mpd and snapcast and lots of home assistant yaml

[proper swift]

hrmm.. yup. thought so. card-mod was killing my dashboard. memory usage kept growing to insanity

[crisp oriole]

Yes i made a wordpress plugin for wordpress

I mean home assistant plugin

[tidal bronze]

You not in AZ

Please don't do that to yourself

[proper swift]

you in az too? Most of the dust storm missed me, but it did rain

[tidal bronze]

Take the 10 West and call it a day.

[proper swift]

le-sigh, if only one of the forecast entities was even semi-accurate....

[robust flicker]

Driving west on 10, for 24hours straight MIGHT get me through Texas... Might.

[tidal bronze]

Oof

[peak slate]

Hey you can drive on the quest highway in America then

It's like 25 lanes wide out near katy

[static schooner]

if there's one thing Texas has it's tons of open scrubland just asking to be paved over

[peak slate]

Especially with wider and wider highways, which are like rivers, the wider they are, the slower they go

[static schooner]

researched fact

as the cost of using the highway drops, people actually use it more 🙂

increasing the cost

it's a vicious cycle

[peak slate]

The only way to reduce highway traffic is mass transit, which is illegal in Texas (or might as well be illegal)

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/war-games-joshua-woppr-strange-game-doctor-only-winning-move-is-not-to-play-gif-16198386

[scenic radish]

just one more lane bro

[peak slate]

They also want to bury a highway underground now, in an area that regularly floods with people drowning in low areas on the roads

I know, highways and roads are waterways out of the city

But maybe don't put them underground and still call them a highway instead of "graveyard" or "cistern" which is really all it is

(and then there's all the other problems with that project that will get me yelled at by mods here, 💕 you guys)

[robust flicker]

Been there. Done that. My name means something. 🙂

Drove one of these off and on since 2003 until just over a year ago..

[peak slate]

Ah so you know how drivers get more and more aggressive the closer you get to some areas, and other times they just get worse and worse

[robust flicker]

Yep.Houston drivers are second only to Atlanta for aggressiveness

[peak slate]

I bet you loved highway 45 then

The safest highway in America

[robust flicker]

US45? I(H)45? TX45?

[peak slate]

I45

[last cedar]

Has anyone noticed that since the last android app update || that there are still not any raccoons at my house 🙁 ||

[scenic radish]

Did you read the release notes?

[tidal bronze]

You really need to move to a place where these things are abundant

[peak slate]

I suggest a place where trash is abundant

I hear they love trash

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge 👆

[iron granite]

Why? Have the raccoons been released?

[static schooner]

they like to be....watched

[ocean oar]

Voyeurism is participation

[static schooner]

Need a camera with some sort of tongue-trap

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-drinking-beer-raccoon-meme-raccoon-beer-raccoon-drinking-raccoon-gif-11108347521867034834

[tidal bronze]

Yuk, ruined it with a beer.

[forest edge]

I'll take California for $200 Alex

[static schooner]

no need to waste good wine on a raccoon

[storm nymph]

is there a place where I could ask a quicker question (too short to be a forum post)?

or do I just make a forum post anyway

[forest edge]

forum post 99% of the time but sometimes as long as the answer only needs be a yes or no you can sneak some in here from time to time

[storm nymph]

well, I'll try asking ig: is there a list of available color values (primary, accent, etc.) somewhere?

[forest edge]

yes

[storm nymph]

I guess I did set myself up to get yes or no'd there

where is it?

[forest edge]

#1284966540617449515

if your question might be something someone else may ask.. it's auto forum post

that way those behind you can find your post and get the answer for themselves

[storm nymph]

(I meant in templates btw, but close enough)

[storm nymph]

I know this is cursed, but is there a way for HA to receive notifications from your phone (the way a smart watch does)?

[static schooner]

Probably through shortcuts or something. #1284965926336335993

[forest edge]

come to california he said, it will be fun he said.. https://youtu.be/3v3q0oaDTJ4?si=5O-I1JJx_MDtPbxt

[static sluice]

[primal laurel]

classic sonoma. I bet he's a fox news fan

[forest solstice]

What other automations should I do?

[peak slate]

close the chicken coop door at night

[unborn merlin]

fan?

That would imply he could watch anything else.. 😛

[forest edge]

do you even know what fox news is?

[atomic delta]

Love the people who try telling me if the weather stations around here say it's 29.88inHg, it must be true. Finally I have vindication from my own barometer.

(the gap was a power outage)

[mortal walrus]

the weather stations would be reporting it accurately... at the location of the weather station :)

for weather reporting, generally it's more the changes that matter rather than the absolute value. absolute value matters when using air pressure to determine height above ground... which is why all airports have air pressure measurement :)

[atomic delta]

Yeah, but the stations around here all give essentially a 1 atm read at all times. Completely wrong.

[mortal walrus]

huh, the value is completely static? doesn't change at all?

i guess that would mean the weather station isn't reporting pressure at all and is just giving you a placeholder value :(

[atomic delta]

Bothers me because I deal with vacuum pressure at work frequently, which under absolute vacuum is equal to atmospheric pressure. So knowing the atmospheric pressure compared to vacuum level matters for determining if I have leaks.

[mortal walrus]

not sure how great a weather station report would be for that purpose anyways, even if it was working, since if you're on a hill or a couple of floors up in a building, the pressure could be significantly different. in some cases even hvac systems can cause notable pressure differences.

[ocean oar]

The pressure value I always find the most interesting is comparing the one in my glasshouse at home to my phone. You can see the times I'm at work each week because a) work is ~230m closer to sea level, and b) positive-pressure HVAC

So yeah, basically what you just said @mortal walrus

[atomic delta]

Suppose I should look at providing my own station data once I have it mounted better, since no one else around here seems to have actual barometric pressure. I put the base with the barometer in a non-ducted garage that breathes quite well (for better or worse).

[mortal walrus]

for comparing for vacuum pressure, you'd want the pressure sensor in the same room as where you're running the vacuum equipment

[atomic delta]

Better: general readings should be accurate
Worse: when the heavy windstorms (50+ mph winds) hit, that garage -sings-. Barometer will go nuts.

[mortal walrus]

kinda surprised there isn't dedicated scientific equipment for this sort of thing, measuring both the surrounding air pressure and vacuum pressure separately to give you more info :/

[atomic delta]

Sure, for exact. And I plan on making that happen. But right now, knowing I'm shooting for 25.5inHg on the gauge is good enough.

[unborn merlin]

there is.

its called a differential pressure sensor.

[atomic delta]

That depends on how much you're willing to spend.

[unborn merlin]

now as for calibrated ones for precision work...

bend over for that NIST traceability. 😛

its gonna hit your wallet hard. 🙃

[atomic delta]

McMaster-Carr will provide, so long as you bend over.

Reminds me, I need to place an order with them soon.

Not for that. :P

[unborn merlin]

bend over either way its gonna hurt 😛

[arctic quarry]

I think that's a pretty safe assumption. It's infamous.

[forest edge]

hearing about is not the same as knowing what is tho

[arctic quarry]

I mean, in this case

”what’s Fox News?”
”the propaganda arm of the GOP”
not that deep

[unborn merlin]

the state media*

[last cedar]

I would much rather just moan about not having one tbh 🤣

[glacial knot]

good choice

[atomic delta]

Pure curiosity, other than 1 and 8, what are the other partitions? Pretty sure 1 is boot, 8 is very obviously data, 2/3 and 4/5 seem to be slots of some sort, no idea about 6/7.

~ # lsblk
NAME        MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS
nvme0n1     259:0    0 119.2G  0 disk
├─nvme0n1p1 259:1    0    64M  0 part
├─nvme0n1p2 259:2    0    24M  0 part
├─nvme0n1p3 259:3    0   256M  0 part
├─nvme0n1p4 259:4    0    24M  0 part
├─nvme0n1p5 259:5    0   256M  0 part
├─nvme0n1p6 259:6    0     8M  0 part
├─nvme0n1p7 259:7    0    96M  0 part
└─nvme0n1p8 259:8    0 118.5G  0 part

[glacial knot]

64M boot? I'd expect 3 and 5 to be A/B boot

I assume this is HAOS?

[atomic delta]

Yeah

I2C enable instructions say to mount partition 1, so it's probably a "preboot" of sorts.

3 and 5 are probably the true boot partitions, as you said.

[glacial knot]

or the root I've never looked at HAOS

[atomic delta]

Well, once it's running, everything is on partition 8.

Nothing else shows as mounted.

Ah well, not like it matters. Just found myself oddly curious.

Oh wait, I almost forgot the most important part of setting up the other SSH addon...

[unborn merlin]

being as much of a masochist as to use an ssh window on a phone?

[atomic delta]

It's that or I switch my steam deck to desktop mode and grab my Bluetooth keyboard.

And I haven't added my deck's SSH key as authorized. :P

Still, looks like I can't do what I wanted via this addon anyway.

Hmmm... Or maybe...

[glacial knot]

huh, what's the output of mount?

10/8 network

[atomic delta]

Not permitted. Asks me if I'm root. I'll just hook up my TV as a monitor and plug in a keyboard to do it. Later. I need to pull it down to install something tomorrow anyway.

[unborn merlin]

there is a way to get root access via it.. I believe? I just dont remember off the top of my head..

[atomic delta]

Dumbass Orbi router kept detecting a supposed potential conflict and auto-changing to 10/8, so I just embraced it eventually. It still does it sometimes, no idea what it's smoking, but since it's just changing to what it already is, no harm done.

[glacial knot]

cat /proc/self/mounts then

also, why wouldn't it be allowed? The fuck kinda config is this?

[unborn merlin]

because HAOS is a managed installation

[glacial knot]

yea, I use 10/8 networks for virtual networking and 192.168/16 ones for physical

[unborn merlin]

it doesn't want you fucking with it.

[glacial knot]

mount without arguments only reads things

unless they've messed with the acl on the binary or some very weird selinux policies, it shouldn't ever fail

[unborn merlin]

https://cln.io/blog/ssh-access-to-the-home-assistant-host/

You can get access obviously; but its not standard 😄

[glacial knot]

it's just easier to read than /proc/self/mounts

yea, I don't question why users aren't root. I question why they can't read the mount table
though I believe lsblk reads it to figure out the mount points, so it must be some messing with the mount command

[atomic delta]

I thought you meant the output of attempting to mount something. My bad.

[unborn merlin]

could also be using systemd or etc too...

[glacial knot]

???

what in etc do you mean? mtab?

[dawn badge]

addon terminals are inside a container. they are not a host system terminal.

[glacial knot]

ohh, that explains why there's no / mount on the blocks

[atomic delta]

overlay on / type overlay (rw,relatime,lowerdir=/mnt/data/docker/overlay2/l/ILXV
PYZ4Q6AUTA3GX7NG53F47B:/mnt/data/docker/overlay2/l/7ZJAPDLVIJU7NOPDSWTJKFKOZJ:/m
nt/data/docker/overlay2/l/73EP5KYASMVI26JAR4P4ICD5GQ:/mnt/data/docker/overlay2/l
/7NL3BCV2QALRLHTEMKCTJG6WRN:/mnt/data/docker/overlay2/l/B2O75HKEUR747WB5W46JJXLU
RY:/mnt/data/docker/overlay2/l/3L4LUIQYDFUSC74JWNPAGJ3NLM:/mnt/data/docker/overl
ay2/l/VEH5RUNHJ5MJLOAXJBCHKBFFPI:/mnt/data/docker/overlay2/l/DXYMOKIQFX6F6U7CVJI
LBDXJ2T:/mnt/data/docker/overlay2/l/J6WREC55UJ43K4SPX5LCU4KVDD:/mnt/data/docker/
overlay2/l/46RM4GQQE32RIA56QQ4NKYL4TC,upperdir=/mnt/data/docker/overlay2/8b8365c
b09c7e6f7c16618a9ff00a24a321381e7763bbffe96b7f579446a5ea6/diff,workdir=/mnt/data
/docker/overlay2/8b8365cb09c7e6f7c16618a9ff00a24a321381e7763bbffe96b7f579446a5ea
6/work)

Yo dawg, heard you like overlays

[glacial knot]

yea, typical container runtime

[dawn badge]

what are you trying to do anyway?

[glacial knot]

I was just confused by the lsblk not showing the root and wondered whether that's on one of the larger small partitions

[dawn badge]

ah gotcha on the subject of partitions there is some notes on the dev docs if your curious on the layout stuff HERE

[atomic delta]

Aha, that answers plenty.

[glacial knot]

yea, looks a lot like ChromeOS

[glacial knot]

I sometimes forget that people still use bootloaders
and don't just efistub the kernel

[unborn merlin]

laziness with HAOS.. you flash it to the drive and move on

[primal laurel]

Propaganda so thick its bordering satire

[crisp oriole]

FOX new isnt satire?

many readers of Fox believed that the usa had found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after the 2nd golf war. Like 70%

[forest edge]

how would you know?

[primal laurel]

I got a decent education

[forest edge]

apparently not decent enough

maybe give other search engines a try and not just rely on google for your education lol

[primal laurel]

that's comical coming from you

[arctic quarry]

I think you vastly underestimate the level to which the rest of the planet is drowned in American media output. We don't need to Google anything, we simply can't fucking avoid it. Also, speaking to one single American citizen, let alone hundreds and hundreds as I have, gives you plenty of information and unsolicited opinions on what's going on. It's almost like (and I know this is a stretch) the US considers itself to be very important.

[high remnant]

i thought we were nit allowed to make things political 🥺

[arctic quarry]

where are the politics?

[solar zealot]

hmmm

i guess i should not do that

[primal laurel]

PWM mode: if you consume too much power we're going to switch the relay at 10Hz with a reduced duty cycle

every home assistant user knows this is BS

dont forget this boi https://shop.everythingsmart.io/products/everything-presence-one-kit

and this has existed since around the moonlandings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensor_fusion

even esphome can do it out of the box

[high remnant]

i mean look who posted it

[peak slate]

The embodiment of Wheatley, as though the greatest minds of a generation worked to create the dumbest idiot who ever lived

[primal laurel]

sssshhh, you'll summon @summer depot

[forest edge]

I don't want to sound like I am defending Fox cause that is certainly the farthest from the case but outsiders second and third hand information that comprise of other people's "opinions" and clips intentionally designed to be taken out of context doesn't "drown" you in truth nor does it imply anything what real American's think or believe. You are just being fooled by the narrative like everyone else.

[arctic quarry]

no

try again

[forest edge]

lol stubborness?

[arctic quarry]

I watched it regularly during the Bush years, I'm not being "fed" anything

[forest edge]

really

[peak slate]

Fox is mainstream media in the US at this point

[arctic quarry]

you're building a ginormous jenga tower of assumptions

[peak slate]

No matter how you try and shake it

They own the country

[arctic quarry]

that's... not really accurate either, but I agree that with the Overton window brownshifting at relativistic speeds, there are even more extreme propaganda channels out there

[forest edge]

everyone has thier own agenda

if your not leaning one way, you are the other when it comes to money and power

[glacial knot]

always a good idea

[forest edge]

the issue here isn't what fox is or isn't. it's that someone who can't know what it actually is through first hand experience freely perpetuates a skewed fictional opinion as if it were written in stone

[arctic quarry]

and the problem is with the phrase "can't (...) through first-hand experience"

watching Fox is easy,

knowing what it is is trivial,

[forest edge]

like i said lol

[arctic quarry]

and boldly proclaiming that it cannot possibly be so makes no sense to me

[forest edge]

like "most" things american?

reminds me of that "switching" convo the other night for me. that mad no sns to m ithr lol

omg my keyboard butcherd that lol

[arctic quarry]

switching? don't think I was here for that

[glacial knot]

ah yes, the evil keyboard

[primal laurel]

the YT channel you shared is owned by tucker carlson. You cant see through that?

[forest edge]

what is your implication? fake news? lol

[primal laurel]

I dont think I have to explain that

[forest edge]

th fact you think that makes my very point

[arctic quarry]

no he’s right

TC is utter garbage

[dawn marlin]

What is even happening

[primal laurel]

classical @forest edge depravity

[forest edge]

foreign expertism over US affairs

is what I call it lol

[arctic quarry]

epistemology baybee

[forest edge]

please do so now

[dawn marlin]

OH fox as in Fox News… I forgot they existed and was confused on who was spreading misinformation about the animal for a hot minute

[primal laurel]

lol

[arctic quarry]

poor foxes

[primal laurel]

Raccoon News

garbage news, delivered to you

[dawn marlin]

[supple grotto]

Yes. Exhibit A: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Voting_Systems_v._Fox_News_Network

[forest edge]

kind of like throwing out the whole banana just cause it has one brown spot

[arctic quarry]

what's the brown spot in this scenario?

[peak slate]

The whole banana is brown

It's one brown spot

[forest edge]

the whole bana is not brown lol

[peak slate]

Good joke

Gotta love it

[forest edge]

I could post the other side of the isle of the same video I posted above

does that make them fake news as well?

lol

[arctic quarry]

yeah I don't see your point

[peak slate]

Side note, brown bananas just get turned into delicious banana bread

[arctic quarry]

they got caught lying about shit they knew was false

[peak slate]

But I wouldn't consider Fox banana bread worthy

[arctic quarry]

pretty open-and-shut

[peak slate]

But that's being pedantic af

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/attend-vengeance-gif-26336258

[forest edge]

then I suggest you get YOUR news elsewhere lol

[lone dagger]

Did you see that ludicrous play last night? Wild.

https://tenor.com/view/the-i-tcrowd-moss-sports-nerd-it-crowd-gif-4559851

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/oil-petrol-explosion-gif-13420305

[lone dagger]

lighting earth's farts on fire, love it.

[arctic quarry]

🌡️

[forest edge]

mods enter, kill chat, mods leave

[dawn marlin]

Always watching ready to smack down politics

[dawn marlin]

How I felt switching the heat on for the first time since February

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-well-my-jobs-done-my-jobs-done-my-job-is-finished-my-work-here-is-done-gif-23927755

[dawn marlin]

Ugh I really need to work on getting either propane heating or a heat pump instead of this electric furnace

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/propane-accessories-hank-hill-gif-13079833

[dawn marlin]

I turned the heat on and it ran for 14 minutes

Here is the power spike

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-country-audrey-james-thats-the-spirit-spirit-way-to-go-gif-17948570985059302998

[summer depot]

Rent Free

[fathom sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

[primal laurel]

now every time musk turns up, I think of you ❤️

[peak slate]

Mmmm that smell of burning dust

[fathom sparrow]

So you like musk's musk?

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-sniff-reach-out-hand-wunkus-gif-7751961413331168049

[robust flicker]

Heat???

[minor bobcat]

Don't you like it warm?

We had to turn on our heating too. It's supposed to be 15C most of next week

[dawn marlin]

It was like 40F last night and into this morning

[unborn merlin]

don't try and logic a cultist. 😄

[tidal bronze]

Just get one already.

[dawn marlin]

Ok ok I see people opinions on that

But

What are your opinions on “sovereign citizens”

I’d never heard of them before and a Reddit making fun of them got recommended to me

And reading some it

Sounds so delusional

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/don't-make-me-tap-the-sign-simpsons-bus-gif-5399805801037462082

[unborn merlin]

it is.

that's the end of it. 🙃

[summer depot]

I have a script that I schedule to run when we're all gone . Set temperature up to force heaters on. Wait a while. Set temperature back down. Run fans for a while to filter and dissipate smell

Use MERV 13 HVAC filters but check your system limitations. Higher filter ratings can create a lot stress on blower motors

[robust flicker]

We're still running the AC most of the day...

[dawn marlin]

My hvac system is 30 years old and all the labels have worn off

I really just need to either get a heat pump or a propane furnace at this point

[robust flicker]

It ran for 12 hours yesterday. And so far today, it's ran for 4 hours..

[dawn marlin]

Maybe I’ll just get one of the propane wall heaters. And put it next to my air return and use the existing setup to circulate it

[scenic radish]

It's been like 18-22C during the day here this week which has been incredible

I'm savoring every moment we have our windows open

[summer depot]

Use a lower MERV 8

[dawn marlin]

[summer depot]

Higher MERV filter out out finer particles but if your system isn't designed for it the reduced airflow can result in AC coil freezing and less cooling

[unborn merlin]

either lower merv or modify your filter segment to allow for more surface area/filters.. etc.. 🙃

man 18hr of cooling constantly sounds like.. thta systems not sized properly/running well.

havent made my new heat pump smart attached yet.. but it barely even puts effort in.. 🤣

[primal laurel]

steady and slow is generally the most efficient mode a heat pump can operate in

same is true for ACs, but most people dont need that much cooling

[unborn merlin]

its inverter based so it can also cycle lower too.

[dawn marlin]

It’s a 30 year old unit on a 27 year old mobile home, the insulation rating is somewhere between “bug screen” and “newspapers glued to the walls”

It’s miracle it can keep a 16 degree F differential

[unborn merlin]

yeah.. that'd do it some..

[dawn marlin]

This place is temporary as we are saving up for a home closer to my work and a slightly larger town

[unborn merlin]

30 year old unit..

That things probably using R22 still, goddamn.

[dawn marlin]

But when a family member we were renting moved back into the area we had to find someplace quick and cheap

[summer depot]

if there's any left in it 🤣

[dawn marlin]

I think it has some sort of r22 compatible replacement in it now, a couple months ago the expansion valve went out on it and had to get the valve replaced and new refrigerant

[unborn merlin]

410a probably.. then I think

my new heat pump has.. 454B.

its mildly flammable; yay 😛

[dawn marlin]

Seeing that repair bill made me wish I’d went into hvac instead, but it’s way too dirty/grimy work for me

[unborn merlin]

the repair bill is probably not in small part because of the old coolant

as they're legally required to reclaim it for destruction rather than oops it leaked.

[dawn marlin]

Yeah

We didn’t get too bad of a price on it

The hvac guy is a friend and we’ve fixed a few computers for him and he thought the old refrigerant would be reusable so he only charged us half the weight of the refrigerant and the cost of the part, no labor

We could have had the part for cheaper but we rush shipped it because it was like 95F the week it was out

And I’m not about that life

[unborn merlin]

i mean.. its not supposed to be reused in general (except again in the same units usually) etc..

[dawn marlin]

It was gonna go into the same unit again

The only part being replaced was expansion valve

But it was way too dirty to reuse

Are unit has no refrigerant dryer

I can’t think of what it’s called

[unborn merlin]

... I mean ideally there should be nothing to be dried from it

since y'know.. they're supposde to be sealed shit

[dawn marlin]

It is sealed now

The expansion valve was leaking

[unborn merlin]

ah.

welll hoefully mine doesnt leak anytime soon.. 😄

[dawn marlin]

Again 30 year old unit

[unborn merlin]

yeah.

[dawn marlin]

I’d love to get a new zone system

[unborn merlin]

back before they invented things like

sealing the fucking coils/protecting them from corrosion and etc.

[dawn marlin]

But saving up for a house really puts a damper on those plans

The units older than me and we’ve only lived here 2ish years

[unborn merlin]

yeah I got tired.. on 4th of july of being in this attic with no proper heatpump

[dawn marlin]

Not my fault the previous owners didn’t believe in silly things like maitenence

[unborn merlin]

it was previously being cooled by two small units getting in a fist fight with a too-large space

(and losing)

[dawn marlin]

Ooof

Yeah

[unborn merlin]

now its a single 24k minisplit heatpump

that barely made any noise when it turned on and dropkicked the room temp 😛

a bit annoying since it doesnt have standard thermostat control wiring input but.. ehhh..

I've found a few github projects that look like they'll work to control it

but also have an oscilloscope if I need to do it myself.

[high remnant]

I want an AC 🥺

[minor bobcat]

Middle Europe never heard of AC at home

[high remnant]

Nah it was just way to expensive to get it

[atomic delta]

Welp, this arrived, missing all the screws, standoffs, and the back plate. Could I fashion my own back plate? Sure. Did I buy a set of standoffs that would likely be sufficient to replace them? Yes. Still returning it as missing parts. Very lame.

We'll see what I get in the replacement.

[unborn merlin]

yeah i think that uses pogo pins so all the proper hardwares a bit important.

[unborn merlin]

I assume this is you out working? /s

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-king-didnt-vote-gif-8051023

[minor bobcat]

Democracy!

[tidal bronze]

No AC🤔

[forest edge]

that like your worst nightmare?

[tidal bronze]

Can't compute that scenario

Wondering what's the best method to batch reverse image search for geo tagging.

Google cloud vision Vs Bing?

[forest edge]

google image searching has been somewhat neutered

[tidal bronze]

Few thousand pictures. Lol

[high remnant]

yup

[forest edge]

your request is weird so no idea

[tidal bronze]

Got some old photos that I need gps data added to exif

[forest edge]

unless they are landmarks you'll find accuracy to be an issue

[primal laurel]

some adaptation, proper insulation, plenty of trees and shades for the windows and you can avoid most of the AC usage

[tidal bronze]

True.

[primal laurel]

heat island effect is real.

[high remnant]

I live in an old appartment complex. It is just too expensive to add AC

[tidal bronze]

AC units are relatively cheap now compared to years ago.

[high remnant]

yes

labor is not

[minor bobcat]

Just hang a hose out the window

It'll be fine

[high remnant]

I got a 15K quote for AC lol

[tidal bronze]

Huh

Where is this?

[minor bobcat]

I opened my windows this summer because i was cold. It was 33C outside. Brick walls ftw.

[high remnant]

old appartment complex, difficult to get it hooked up properly

[high remnant]

Netherlands

[tidal bronze]

Ahhhhh

[static schooner]

I paid less than 15K for two complete systems for my house

[primal laurel]

that's BS, my parents AC cost something like 2.5K

[high remnant]

ikr

that is why I dont have AC :)

[primal laurel]

get another quote

[tidal bronze]

Sounds about right.

[static schooner]

I blame something about using commas for decimal points or something

[tidal bronze]

Lmao

[high remnant]

It will again be expensive

the lowest I got was 8k

[tidal bronze]

DIY

[high remnant]

still too much

[tidal bronze]

What's your BTU requirement for the space?

[forest edge]

introducing conditioned air to a place that has never had it sounds moldy

[high remnant]

9000

[tidal bronze]

And 8K for that? Something wrong there.

[high remnant]

yeah its an old complex

so its a pain to get it hooked up lol

[primal laurel]

that's 2.5kW. Complete bullshit price

[high remnant]

I know :D

[primal laurel]

we got double that

[high remnant]

I have bigger issues with this complex tbh

we have little to no insulation lolol

[minor bobcat]

That's 12000BTU

Wtf

[high remnant]

and no money to fix this lolol

[unborn merlin]

that is tiny.

Thats a window unit.

[primal laurel]

no VVE who can order people around?

[high remnant]

yes but money is finite lol

Like we have to replace the roof that costs about 1.5 ton. Which is more than we accounted for

[primal laurel]

if everyone contributes you can do a lot. Seen plenty of buildings who organized it that way

[high remnant]

if we want to isolate the place it will costs millions

[high remnant]

we do. We pay a montly fee of ~380 euros depending on the size of the appt

[primal laurel]

yes. But it's possible

[high remnant]

the issue is: we are getting to a level that people no longer can affort it

[high remnant]

not if there's no money

[primal laurel]

there's always money, whether you are willing to spend it is a different question

[high remnant]

its a small VVE. Borrowing money will only increase the montly costs for the home owners

[unborn merlin]

... like literally 9k btus is a sub-500$ window unit.

probably sub 300.. 🤣

[high remnant]

no I mean; there is NO money

[minor bobcat]

It'll get mandated someday, then you'll either buckle up and swallow the cost or you're lucky and your apartment gets state funding

[high remnant]

if you live of AOW and have no savings you are done

[unborn merlin]

have you tried reclassifying the apartments as an AI slop farm? /s

they'll throw all the money at you then.

😛

[high remnant]

not in our current political climate lol

[minor bobcat]

EU can be a bitch

[primal laurel]

there is money. There are grants, subsidies, VVE contributions. People have done this, also in poor neighborhoods (yes with 'no' money)

[high remnant]

Which costs money what we do not have

its simple: our owners cannot afort another increase

[minor bobcat]

If you start renovations here you have to do much more than just a roof. Your windows have to match etc.

[high remnant]

I have done what I could, the rest of the building just isn't up to spec

[primal laurel]

that's why there are other sources. you are not the first one to face this exact problem

[high remnant]

SOunds fun on paper but do not forget that borrowing money will increase the payback (rente) which increases the montly costs alot

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/pirómano-meme-jeje-odio-bomberos-gif-15722930

[high remnant]

you simply need to get more money from the owners, and if the owners do not have that money you are screwed

[minor bobcat]

Good ai

[high remnant]

Oh I wish lol

[minor bobcat]

If the owners are in such bad shape I'd move tbh

If something dramatic happens they don't have money for that either?

[high remnant]

ikr

[minor bobcat]

Storm damage, heating goes crap, pipe burst?

[primal laurel]

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/voor-een-vve-lenen-vaak-aantrekkelijker-dan-sparen-lodewijk-berkhout-zo4le/ dont tell me its not possible

[high remnant]

I am looking for other appartments

[high remnant]

yes but like I said: it needs to be paid back

that increases the montly cost

its not that difficult :P

[primal laurel]

read this first please

[high remnant]

I have

I am in the middle of this exact discussion

[primal laurel]

you also save a lot of money in heating/cooling costs, its not just losses

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge wanna join for some soup?

[high remnant]

true but that doesn't offset the increase in cost in our calculations

its not that black and wite

I really hope that local government is able to help us out

we would go from 380 to 500

[unborn merlin]

nah all the money is going to ai slop factories right now can't help - Government.

[forest edge]

its the other stuff you put in that soup that has me saying no

[high remnant]

doesn't sound like a lot but its enough that people simply do not have the money

[primal laurel]

I refuse to believe there are no options

[tidal bronze]

Like wine?

[high remnant]

a grant from local government is an option

[minor bobcat]

If 120€ decide whether you go bankrupt you're doing something wrong

[high remnant]

but if you are a small VVE and the members are not all loaded you are fucked

[forest edge]

just mushrooms and wine huh?

[high remnant]

you might be able to borrow money from the "overwaarde" but thats just insanity

[unborn merlin]

the landlord?

sorry, the local parasite*

[static schooner]

literally a rent seeker

[primal laurel]

well a part of VVE contribution is also supposed to be saved so it can be used for maintenance

[high remnant]

its all owned, not rented

[minor bobcat]

Like cereal and milk. Nothing more nothing less

[tidal bronze]

That's too abrasive

[unborn merlin]

so are ** a whole fuckton of landlords** 😛

[high remnant]

yep. But inflation and previous major repairs 🤷‍♂️

[tidal bronze]

Don't call me names. 🙄

[high remnant]

We had saved 100k for the roof but the last few years kinda spoiled that plan lol

[unborn merlin]

is this like.. one of those buildings that was built in the EU post war really fast without much proper standards?

[high remnant]

yup

they were supposedly temporary

lol

so my situation is not unique

[unborn merlin]

ah yes.

... and ** a lot of them were condemned I believe**

[high remnant]

best case: rebuild the building

[forest edge]

seems cruel https://youtube.com/shorts/kGi03anybGw?si=ggTg9j81_4wNyZRe

[primal laurel]

ironically our country is much better in terms of average insulation than the UK, because germany bombed us to shit in ww2

victorian era buildings in the UK are a whole other beast lol

[minor bobcat]

That's what happened here. Where I'm living now used to be one of those post war bunkers lol

[unborn merlin]

so what I'm taking away is that america needs to be bombed to raise its building standards? /s

[minor bobcat]

Rent went from 800ish to upwards 1200

[high remnant]

anyhow I am looking at other homes

but that is also ... challenging lol

[minor bobcat]

They just need another windy day

[unborn merlin]

you mean the next storm that does the ctrl+z on florida?

[minor bobcat]

Up to what windspeeds are american homes rated?

[static schooner]

meh, aside from DisneyWorld and friends, nothing of value was lost 🙂

[unborn merlin]

even that wouldnt be that much of a loss

if you've been there once you've seen it. 😛

[static schooner]

we still have DisneyLand

[high remnant]

tbh losing Disney doesn't hurt the world

[forest edge]

disneyworld is way better than disneyland tho

[tidal bronze]

And you have been to both?

[forest edge]

and all florida lost was the same homes they always lose lol

[high remnant]

its still disney

[unborn merlin]

that depends was it built to what code says or "well our inspector said it was"

🙃

[forest edge]

disneyland is smaller

why would anyone go there?

[tidal bronze]

I will take land all day over that nightmare of humidity

[forest edge]

actually orlando is not bad at all

at least it wasn';t

[tidal bronze]

Lmao

[static schooner]

it's a couple of hours away