the-water-cooler

[unborn merlin]

companies do not deserve to have the feeds

unless they are paying you

[delicate glade]

Like I said with the picture, it's a storage facility I installed cameras in. This was all the way in the back across a parking lot.

[scenic radish]

LOUD NOISES

[lavish badger]

No I get that in your scenario, but it's of no use to me.

[delicate glade]

Is there data in that gate control box?

[lavish badger]

No.

[delicate glade]

where's the control for it?

[lavish badger]

Inside the box.

[delicate glade]

so how does it get signals for the app?

[lavish badger]

Oh, that's a Tuya relay board on wifi.

[delicate glade]

so there's wifi there?

[unborn merlin]

... I have no goddamn clue why you used knockoff garbage relay for something like this

makes no sense to me..

🤷‍♂️

[lavish badger]

There's...sort of Wifi? I'm tethering to one of the nieghbors but the signal is blah

[unborn merlin]

(its mostly the requiring the cloud to work part that bugs me.)

[lavish badger]

Because the relay was $8 and lets me share with all the neighbors via the app

[delicate glade]

oh, that sounds horrible.

[lavish badger]

Yeah, but there's no "real" internet available out there.

There's a very noisy analog phone line lol

[unborn merlin]

oof.

[lavish badger]

I think there might be a cable line out there somewhere as well, but it'd have to get trenched under the road.

[delicate glade]

what's the camera you showed the gate with connected to?

[lavish badger]

A wyze V3.

Oh, connected to? The neighbors wifi

[delicate glade]

oh, that's one of the pi cams.

[lavish badger]

Well, sort of. What I have out there is a Pi acting as a router which grabs the neighbor's wifi, and the an access point sharing that to the cams + the tuya

THE tuya. lol.

[delicate glade]

man, I hope those cams and relay are vland off of the normal wifi.

[lavish badger]

Why?

[forest edge]

cause someone could use it to gain access lol

[lavish badger]

Unlikely with WPA3 and a 35 character password.

[delicate glade]

I'd trust a wyze cam on my network about as much as I can throw my car. 🤣

[forest edge]

with pi in hand. there is no unlikely about it

[lavish badger]

I mean, they'd have to get through the neighbor's wifi, and then through the firewall on the Pi.

[forest edge]

you should either a) ditch that setup and go with a 4g solution or b) ditch that setup and figure out how to extend your own wifi out there

[delicate glade]

no, I mean wyze themselves. prolly data hording everything they can see on the network.

[lavish badger]

My own wifi would never make it, not without a neighbor acting as a relay

[delicate glade]

Or get the hoa to pony up for real data out there.

[forest edge]

4g it is

[lavish badger]

They can see three cameras, a Pi and a tuya. I'm not too concerned.

Even 4G is a challenge.

Because where do I put the router?

[forest edge]

they make cameras with it built in

[lavish badger]

Oh heck no the HOA can't afford that

[delicate glade]

in an enclosure beside the gate controller box.

[forest edge]

you shown us pictures of your home. you have no excuses lol

[delicate glade]

hahahahahaha

[lavish badger]

Eh?

Doesn't mean we all have extra money to just toss to community projects lol

[forest edge]

spending some to improve a janky setup is worth it tho

[lavish badger]

I think it's the ongoing expense we're not willing to take on TBH

I know it's only like...$55/mo

[forest edge]

i mean i'm cheap as hell. ask anyone in here and I wouldn't even do what you did lol

[lavish badger]

I mean, I was given zero budget. I think I did this whole thing for like...$150?

[delicate glade]

more than I would have spent.

[forest edge]

are you on the hoa board or something?

[lavish badger]

Yes.

[forest edge]

and where does the dues go toward?

[lavish badger]

Heh, like I said. Roads, sidewalks, landscaping, water, power for streetlights....

And for jank...this does...OK

[forest edge]

and they cannot pony up a little extra for like 1 or 2 months to improve security?

[lavish badger]

I have never seen anyone be willing to put any more than the current fees in.

To "get more money" would require a special assessment and I think that needs 2/3 of houses to agree to it.

[forest edge]

rich people.. tighter than a squids ass

[lavish badger]

That's why they're rich!

wait...squids don't HAVE an ass.

[forest edge]

sure they do

[lavish badger]

I'm not going to look for it lol

Yeah, it's a tough sell to get anything done around here. If we've have had to vote on that control box it would have taken 3 months to get it approved. I think we can technically spend under $1k without approval.

[forest edge]

oh 8.2 is out. guess i should update

well a proper camera system would be well under 1k

[lavish badger]

With wifi, and without a monthly fee though.

[forest edge]

you could have a external lan line ran out there for under 1k

[lavish badger]

Erm...for sure not lol

[delicate glade]

what state is this?

[lavish badger]

Arizona.

[delicate glade]

yea, prolly not that expensive.

[forest edge]

if I could get over 2k feet of outdoor rated cat 7 ran for under 700 you could have a single line ran lol

[delicate glade]

yea, that's not too horrible.

This was a fun one. 🤣

[forest edge]

oof unifi branded p2p

what that cost?

[delicate glade]

Those guys are only like 150 each.

[forest edge]

as in you have to buy two to make it work? 300 total?

[delicate glade]

well, you need one on each side of a point to point, yea.

[forest edge]

yea I thought I had seen that they didn't sell them as a pair which is why I asked

[delicate glade]

because they can also do multipoint

[forest edge]

also thought I saw you could have multiple pointed at a single output

yea

[lavish badger]

I promise this would easily be over $1000. Green is my house, red is the gate.

[forest edge]

the multipoint aspect is kind of neat

[forest edge]

from your house. it would be costly. but also that picture shows you could do a p2p

[delicate glade]

ehhhhh, maybe.

[lavish badger]

Would have to get one of the people with a 2 story house to agree.

[delicate glade]

you'd have to get a pretty tall pole up to clear the other houses.

[lavish badger]

My house is single story, but a bunch there between me and the gate are 2

[forest edge]

no you just stick it on a pole. from your house to a pole at the gate

[lavish badger]

I would be the flagpole would work for the gate side.

[forest edge]

hell you have trees

you could attach it to one of them

[lavish badger]

Would need power at a tree lol

[forest edge]

so what

poe

one line

[lavish badger]

At that point you might as well run ethernet the whole way

[forest edge]

uh no

[delicate glade]

I wouldn't stick one high in a tree, they move too much.

[forest edge]

I could do that for 150

and the majority of the cost is the p2p not the cable

[lavish badger]

Do...what exactly lol.

This isn't digging in dirt. It's brick and asphalt.

[forest edge]

what is?

you don't bury the line

[lavish badger]

The path to anywhere outside my house

[delicate glade]

what?

[lavish badger]

It still has to cross the street, it has to be buried 😛

[forest edge]

i see trees in your yard

but anyways, regardless poles are not that expensive

[lavish badger]

Fairly short, biggest one is like 25 feet

Actually do I even have LOS to the flagpole...

I think it's shorter than the houses too

[forest edge]

climb on your roof and see

and then imagine a 10-20ft pole above that

[lavish badger]

I can imagine it and my neighbors throwing a fit about it

[delicate glade]

It'd have to be at least 50 feet tall to clear a 2 story house, even then, you're going to have issues with the building being in the zone.

[forest edge]

for security?

i'd tell your neighbors to eat a d..

[delicate glade]

have you ever dealt with hoas?

🤣

[forest edge]

thankfully no lol

[delicate glade]

yea, they'll bitch about anything

[lavish badger]

Even as HOA president, I don't think they'd let me stick a 50 foot pole in my yard.

[forest edge]

my wife's family is. both her father and sister in seperate hoa's lol

[delicate glade]

I'm in one, but so far, they've been pretty chill.

[lavish badger]

We're pretty decent here....but if it's ugly, it's hard to get it approved.

[forest edge]

doubt they would even notice it

you live in the back

[delicate glade]

had 300mb/s in my barn. 🤣

[forest edge]

so your house is single story and everyone else's is two story?

how that even happen lol

[lavish badger]

Most of the two stories are concentrated there, oddly enough.

The builder was weird.

[delicate glade]

they had more money

[forest edge]

you know what. divine power has frowned upon you. don't even bother hoping for a better future of better equipment

[lavish badger]

Maybe someday. It's fine for now. If security needs get high enough, I'm sure they'll want something better.

[forest edge]

robbers are gonna come through when wyze back servers go down for maintence

[lavish badger]

Honestly I don't even worry about robbers too much. We have quite a few former police, military and an FBI here...

[delicate glade]

hopefully they're recording locally to the sd card.

[forest edge]

then why do you have cameras?

[lavish badger]

LOL, one time a guy jumped a wall to break in, and somehow he picked the FBI guy's house

[delicate glade]

https://tenor.com/view/he-chose-poorly-indiana-jones-gif-13342939

[forest edge]

wait fbi lives in there?

[lavish badger]

Very lol

He went back over the wall really fast apparently.

[forest edge]

why aren't you telling that person to deal with this shit then? lol

[delicate glade]

not their job

[lavish badger]

Honestly? Package thieves. We're not worried about someone breaking and entering...but so many package thieves.

[forest edge]

they don't chuck it over the gate?

[delicate glade]

Yea, they use wifi jammers cause 99% of the door cams are wifi.

[lavish badger]

No, we're caught a few actually, between like "ring" cams and those cameras.

Package theives aren't usually that sophisticated in my experience. Last guys who stole stuff of porches went less than a block away and started opening packages, cops caught them 30 minutes later.

Like they were sitting next to an office dumpster...in plain sight.

[forest edge]

how they get through the gate?

[lavish badger]

Usually they follow someone in.

[delicate glade]

we had a bunch doing it when I was in florida.

[lavish badger]

Although sometimes Amazon/UPS will write codes ON the call box.

I have to go out there weekly and erase them.

And of course, programming new codes into that box is painful.

[forest edge]

just buy a big lock box

they make package lock boxes with amazon etc in mind

and big enough to hold a communities worth of packages

[delicate glade]

https://www.parcelpending.com

we had these at the apartment complex in FL.

[forest edge]

lol tell everyone to just send thier shit to the post office

[lavish badger]

Oooo, bet that was built into the rent lol

[delicate glade]

It was nice.

[lavish badger]

Even without Amazon/etc I think Uber Eats/Doordash etc would write codes on there too.

[delicate glade]

prolly

[lavish badger]

One of these days I'll go over a full day's recordings and find out who does it.

[forest edge]

couldn't pay me to live in a place like that lol

[lavish badger]

Unless you actually buy land and build your own, it's getting harder to avoid.

[forest edge]

thankfully that isn't the case here

[lavish badger]

Like here...you can purchase out in say Queen Creek...but then you're like an hour from central Phoenix.

I'm 10 minutes from downtown, 15 from ASU, 20 from Scottsdale.

[delicate glade]

way too hot there.

[lavish badger]

Won't disagree there.

[forest edge]

well usually people who want thier own land, privacy etc don't mind not being so close so it kind of goes hand in hand

[lavish badger]

Yeah, sure, to each their own.

Now that things like Starlink exist, I'd also be more willing to be outside a city.

[delicate glade]

Starlink is my only option for high speed internet.

[lavish badger]

I almost got it for my mom, and then she found out they were pulling fiber right next to her farm in rural Kansas 😛

I can't even get fiber HERE

[delicate glade]

We'll never get fiber here.

[forest edge]

I love that you kind of have a moat for your gate lol

[lavish badger]

Moat?

[forest edge]

stream

that goes under the bridge for his gate

[delicate glade]

That was a client's house.

[lavish badger]

I must be missing something.

[forest edge]

oh

well I like that

[lavish badger]

Ohhh WAY up there, yes

It's been a minute since the image

[delicate glade]

They tore the house down about a year after I retired, and the tech that went out to their "temporary" house was asking me questions about the setup.

[forest edge]

I thought that was thier place

[lavish badger]

I did too lol

[delicate glade]

Yea, I was a network engineer and installer before I retired.

[forest edge]

ah

and that place got torn down?

[delicate glade]

Yea, it had issues. They took it down to rebuild.

[lavish badger]

I don't miss those days lol, just running that one cable out my eaves reminded me why I have a desk job now.

[forest edge]

ah. as long as they rebuild. I love that entrace lol

[delicate glade]

the whole property was nice. Middle of nowhere Ohio though, so the only internet they have was terrestrial wireless. It kinda sucked ass.

[lavish badger]

Very pretty. Calm

[delicate glade]

There are two more big barns behind me in that picture.

[lavish badger]

Eh, my mother had that before, it wasn't bad as long as stuff didn't move.

[forest edge]

well starlink should be an option

and maybe even 5g

[lavish badger]

Might be now....

[delicate glade]

yea, now. I was doing all this back when starlink was still very beta and you were on a wait list for over a year before finding out there are too many people with it in your area. 🤣

[forest edge]

lol

[delicate glade]

Still crap cell coverage there.

I had two phones at the time, my work phone on verizon, and my personal phone on att. Both only had one bar there.

[lavish badger]

Could be worse. One house my parents had the only thing you could get was via satellite...not Starlink. Danged thing needed a phone line for upload.

[forest edge]

my farm only had dial up as an option up till tmobile offered 5g and even then not everyone can get solid signals.

I guess satellite exsisted but I never knew anyone with it lol

[delicate glade]

Yea, that was my folks place too. I lived about 7 miles from them with gigabit spectrum cable. 🤣

[forest edge]

the old satellite

not starlink

[lavish badger]

Although...how late was my mom using dialup before I got her a Verizon 3G hotspot...I feel like it was like 2012.

[delicate glade]

viasat, hughsnet, starband waay before the first two.

we had starband in alaska, whopping 1mb/s!

[forest edge]

3g home internet? gross

[lavish badger]

It was either that or 56k 😛

[forest edge]

I dunno. I think the retro feel of 56k may have been worth it to wait past 3g lol

[lavish badger]

I feel like she couldn't even get 56k out there...most of the time the noise made it 33.6 at best.

In 2012 lol...almost NOTHING worked

[forest edge]

hell even dial up may have been more stable lol

[lavish badger]

email and google I think

[delicate glade]

parents were too far out for dialup and dsl.

mostly middle of nowhere Ohio, but only like 45ish minutes from Dayton.

[forest edge]

at that point you just get them a newspaper subscription and tell them welcome to the internet

[delicate glade]

They finally have cable now that starlink scared them into running it.

[lavish badger]

Hey, my mom isn't THAT old.

[delicate glade]

hey, this was the pretty house with the pond. 🤣 Was the breezeway roof between the garage and the house. Had to run a new line through there for their internet.

[lavish badger]

Well...she is...wait is 75 old? It doesn't sound old.

What in the attic spaghetti hell

[delicate glade]

yep

[lavish badger]

Yellow is power, blue is ethernet...what's the black? Speaker?

[delicate glade]

power for lights, power to the garage, or house, forget which direction it went, and yea, speakers. There's also a couple black outdoor rated cat-6 cables.

[forest edge]

fancy it has power and lights lol

[lavish badger]

I know, we still got candles and shit.

[forest edge]

usually breezeways wouldn't even have that dead space lol

[lavish badger]

No aren't they usually flat roofs?

[delicate glade]

some, this one was pitched. We sometimes still get snow in ohio.

found a pic of your house..

hated woking in this place.

[lavish badger]

Like most several million dollar houses, changes to things were not factored in.

Worst place I ever dealt with was my parents house in Kansas.

8 trillion miles of wire and none of it made a lick of sense.

[delicate glade]

The electricians ran the ethernet, I was there to terminate everything and get the internet working. Found the one cable in one of the bedrooms was dead. Looked like they ran a staple though the cable. It had a break about 6 feet from the end. Doc was like "how do you fix it?" I said, can't, unless you don't mind me cutting the sheetrock up to the ceiling to find the break. "My son can use the wifi." 🤣

[lavish badger]

LOL

[ocean oar]

The electricians ran the ethernet
Say no more, friend 😉

I actually found one in the wild at work last week... the results of letting electricians run Ethernet

Yes, that is exactly what you think it is

[lavish badger]

Could be worse. Could be electrical tape.

[arctic quarry]

there was an attempt

[ocean oar]

Hilariously, it wasn't even that splice that failed

[lavish badger]

I've fixed ethernet with soldering...at least back in the 100 Mbit days you could get away with it.

Wouldn't recommend it, but....

[ocean oar]

It was another one (in the same cable) that had been done with two plugs and an inline coupler

Which had gotten water in it

[lavish badger]

That's more the "correct" way though.

Just have to use water sealed couplers.

[delicate glade]

I like the angles on the gate.

[lavish badger]

That place was just a mess...half was built in the mid 90s, the rest like 2002

[delicate glade]

found it like this.

[lavish badger]

It was connected to an AS/400. That machine would work over barbed wire.

[delicate glade]

I have a whole google photos album called "work fails". 🤣

[lavish badger]

I wonder if I still have the home depot retrofit photos....

Want to talk cable disasters, my god.

And we had to replace switches while making sure everything went into the same port.

[delicate glade]

also, electricians can't count.

[forest edge]

thats a nice looking location. where in kansas is that?

[ocean oar]

Lol, at least ours they bothered to insulate it

[lavish badger]

Kansas City area.

[forest edge]

i've seen many a phone lines spliced like that

[lavish badger]

Phones could also care less.

[forest edge]

that must be one hell of a cherry picked picture then lol

[lavish badger]

A 66 block isn't exactly sophisticated

[lavish badger]

Not really, it was on 24 acres of land.

[forest edge]

wtf is that

[delicate glade]

was a nice looking wall and gate. the streetview car couldn't really see the house though.

[ocean oar]

Well at least one of them appears to be 25-pair analogue phone cable

[delicate glade]

phone

[forest edge]

looks like they used ethernet for phone or some kind of multi strand wire for a few strands lol

all those unsed connections

[delicate glade]

yea, the multi is 50 pair phone cable.

[lavish badger]

Isn't that a good thing? 😛

[delicate glade]

random 66 block in the plenum area..

[forest edge]

part of me is glad ethernet wasn't a thing to just find in homes when I was younger and still moving around

[delicate glade]

this was in a freaking fire department!

[lavish badger]

You know, I'm fine it's in a bathroom I've seen demarcs in worse places.

[forest edge]

i've seen those phone panels like that before in homes with adt

[lavish badger]

BUT WHY IS THE ADP BOX SO FAR OFF THE BACKING BOARD

[forest edge]

wtf

[lavish badger]

I promise that phone box isn't held down with more than a single screw.

[lavish badger]

What am I looking at here son, the beans or the frank?

[forest edge]

diy extension but why

[delicate glade]

I was more pissed it was in the bathroom

[delicate glade]

I pointed it out to the fire chief, "I don't see anything" 🤣

[forest edge]

technically that stuff generally does last forever and not catch fire

[delicate glade]

because if the bulb was in the socket, it vibrated on the ducting and breaks.

[forest edge]

I run across that kind of stuff (not weird like that thing) but janky shit that's been working for eons without issue

[forest edge]

ah lol

[lavish badger]

Jank is fine sometimes...but not when it's unsafe.

[delicate glade]

took me a while to find that one.

[lavish badger]

LOL.

[delicate glade]

also a fire station, that was just built.

[lavish badger]

I've run mac minis inside drawers, it's not completely insane.

[delicate glade]

the guys that installed the furnature didn't even ask about it.

[forest edge]

it was actually pretty common for people to cut in sockets into built in furniture like bookcases where there would be no gang box, just a plate cover

[lavish badger]

Ahhh classic "not my problem"

[delicate glade]

yea, but they weren't supposed to be in there.

[lavish badger]

How would he know that? 😛

[delicate glade]

he wouldn't, but he should have said something.

[lavish badger]

I mean I have outlets and network inside my living room cabinets...

Pfft, said something doesn't get him home for a coors light by 5:15.

[forest edge]

yea there is usually deadspace behind drawers

I see phone/net/etc in cabniets like that in offices

[delicate glade]

they wouldn't let me fix it, so I just hole sawed a path through the other drawer cabinet and put the comptuer under the desk where it was supposed to go.

[forest edge]

anything low voltage is game

[lavish badger]

I'd have done the same.

[delicate glade]

yep

[lavish badger]

And just to spite the cabinet guy, I'm using the hole saw I use for ceiling fans.

[lavish badger]

Why is maple syrup

[delicate glade]

That's condensed fry oil.

[lavish badger]

mmmm polymerized oil

[delicate glade]

This is the computer in a resturant the cooks get their orders on.

well it was, obviously it shorted out.

[lavish badger]

A few times I had to swap out DSL modems at McDonalds...dear god how is a modem so sticky

[forest edge]

that kind of stuff is normal

as in you find that kind of stuff in many buisnesses

[lavish badger]

And it was in the manager's office too usually, no where NEAR the fryers.

[forest edge]

they don't care

[delicate glade]

when the hospital networking guys don't gaf.

[forest edge]

more than half the people who work in food places don't know any diffrence regardless

[lavish badger]

Classic wall mounted rack mount switch. Had to do that so many times, just rotate the rack ears.

Or is it just hanging there? I cannot tell.

[delicate glade]

you ever work in a decorative stone distributor? Stone dust is conductive!

[lavish badger]

Wait...let me find something.

[forest edge]

i mean look at how old that pc is..

[delicate glade]

poor dell server didn't stand a chance.

[forest edge]

these people keep other people employed. the circle of life

[delicate glade]

only 15 years old..

yea, that's up to code. 🤣

[lavish badger]

Found it

[forest edge]

unless you work in the field.. most people don't have hobbies that make them aware and knowledgable about what is ok and what is not. if the machine breaks they just buy a new one and move on lol

[lavish badger]

That's a Cisco 3500 series switch lol

It should not belch dust.

[forest edge]

wtf was this filmed with? an old pda?

[lavish badger]

Flip phone, around 2006

[forest edge]

makes sense now

[lavish badger]

Yeah, that project was a LONG time ago.

[delicate glade]

remember kids, this is prolly what your hospital's infrastructure looks like.

[forest edge]

this is normal too lol

[lavish badger]

Seems right.

[forest edge]

that knob and tube?

[delicate glade]

live knob and tube!

[lavish badger]

Oh my.

[delicate glade]

some asshole spliced romex onto it.

[forest edge]

well then yea.. you don't get "more" janky past having original knob and tube still functioning

[lavish badger]

Man I hope I didn't get rid of all the photos from home depot...that'd be a gold mine right now.

[forest edge]

think knob and tube is still legal in some places down south

[delicate glade]

I found out the hard way that it was still live.

[forest edge]

aside from just being grandfathered

i've seen some crazy wiring of that stuff

people peel back the plastered walls to see that shit snake through the home

[dusty mica]

no mayonaise??

[lavish badger]

lol just found a speed test from like 2012

[forest edge]

says 2010

[lavish badger]

Oh, didn't even see the date stamp lol

Time on the file is wrong.

Oh man speaking of cameras...fullly Analog

Square, too lol

[forest edge]

there you go. just run coax to to some analog cameras at the gate

[lavish badger]

I learned the other day analog high def security cams exist over single wires.

Who's video was that? CathodeRayDude I think.

But those up there? I think 400 lines at best.

[delicate glade]

This was a fun job.

[lavish badger]

Man you'd need good camera labels to know the difference

[delicate glade]

Oldest speedtest pic I can find, from 2022.

hahahahahaha, my mom sent this in our family group chat.

[forest edge]

the ability to sometimes ditch the utility belt makes it worth it

[lavish badger]

I do not want pants sandwich

[delicate glade]

You shouldn't find this kind of thing on a 16 port hdmi switcher..

especially when it cost ten grand.

[lavish badger]

What brand was that?

Or just a very early one.

[delicate glade]

shinybow, can't remember the exact model now.

[lavish badger]

I remember how much ELAN charged for video switches.

[delicate glade]

this was different.

[lavish badger]

I would bet you the person who punched the top wire was not the same as the person who did the bottom

[delicate glade]

You'd be right. 🤣

[unborn merlin]

ah yes very secure.

[unborn merlin]

sounds like an audiophile price to me.

[lavish badger]

Nah, more than likely part of an early home automation setup

Like when I was doing those in 2007ish a 16 port composite video switcher was like $10k

Let alone anything HD

[unborn merlin]

Like I said.

Audiophile markup.

same thing. 😛

[lavish badger]

Heh, I mean...if you wanted whole house AV...that's what you had back then.

The fact everything is digital now...and it's so dead simple.

[delicate glade]

Naa, dentist's office.

Every station had a tv in it.

[lavish badger]

man it's giving backrooms vibes

[last cedar]

Are they just stacked? Capacitors?!

[last cedar]

You can hear the flourescent light buzz

[ocean oar]

Yellow is a capacitor certainly, can see "4R7" on one of the grey things so those at least are resistors.
Bodge wires definitely aren't uncommon, but bodge wire into capacitor into halfway between two resistors installed the wrong way on the PCB, gets some bonus points for that

[solar zealot]

This looks like a center where they take your organs

[young sigil]

Who the hell designs an open plan dental surgery?

[solar zealot]

it's great because you can hear others scream in pains when they get their kidneys yoinked

Or something else idk

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/vw4o1a1_pj4?si=7ofg3rVy_WmFmwA3 😎

[solar zealot]

One where they put you into padded cubicles with sound isolation

[arctic quarry]

such vision

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-this-is-spacex-tesla-this-is-elon-musk-gif-24512168

[stuck anchor]

maybe americans feel safe in cubicles like that? it's where they spend most of their lives?

runs for cover

[forest edge]

I wonder how they enhance ev police vehicles. ICE engines get supped up. having extra weight etc the vehicle cannot be slower and should still be faster than it's non PD counterpart. https://youtu.be/WjCLfVSJnTU?si=Lv0Bn9vPjgQdDf1q

I guess atm they don't "have" to enhance them but I would imagine eventually they would

[crisp oriole]

Damn media template is no longer working. Making my switch to universal media player but that not easy

[pliant plinth]

Stupid question. Does anyone know of any Zigbee switches that can be toggled with a key?

Not for any overly secure purpose of course. I'm trying to make a network kill switch that'll safely shutdown all of my systems in the event of a storm, and I'd like to do the typical 'missile silo' thing of having to turn the key to enable the button so it isn't accidentally triggered.

(And, let's be honest, look cool)

[static schooner]

#1284966617670881350 -> Recommendations

[forest edge]

you can make one youself with a zigbee relay and a key switch

[pliant plinth]

There's an interesting idea. Thank you!

(And in the future, I'll remember the redirect to open home protocols. Still new here!)

[scenic radish]

mostly painless upgrade to Debian 13, although I did run into more issues than in the past

[forest edge]

should have went windows

i love trying to log into something that dosen't show your password key presses and getting rejected because a key on the keyboard isn't registering and nothing obvious is showing you that is the key least of all which key it is

is it alzheimer's or bad razer product.. that is the question

[dawn badge]

was a UK show that followed conversions a while back.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10261464/

its quite interesting

when it comes to EV conversions though I am curious how they stand up to aggressive "PIT Maneuvers" and such. and how the batteries and stuff dead with the ascoiated impacts

[delicate glade]

yes

[last cedar]

Metal Gear Solid reference with your name?

[pliant plinth]

Absolutely!

[glacial knot]

how about
personal office?

the choice between cubicle and open concept seems bad and worse

[glacial knot]

I like my hybrid model

but yea, if i had to pick, that'd be it

[delicate glade]

Nooooope. Did cubes once, never again.

I bet.

[forest edge]

off to go shopping @warm helm better stay at home... oh wait..

[primal laurel]

Just need a few rooms, with just the people you work with. Like 6 people max

[stuck mortar]

Now Sonoma is going to camp out next to the unifi section

[forest edge]

you mean put all the unifi crap on layaway and then never go back to buy them?

[lavish badger]

Huh. Well that's why Amazon couldn't use their little ring relay to get into our gate last night. They never hooked it up correctly.

Although I need my multimeter to double check the connection, which currently my mother in law has stolen...

[wanton axle]

The etherlighting looks cool on the XGs. All my switches are too old to have it.

The 10 g stuff is tempting. But nothing I own has a 10g nic in it. I would like an agg switch though.

That's fair. I'll probably end up doing it. I was really thinking about just doing a 10g build but then a buddy gave me four Enterprise 48 POEs. Seemed silly to not use them.

I have zero esp32 projects. You have one I should do?

[desert cave]

this doesn't happen with Debian's GUI. It's a normal graphical login screen that shows password length just like Windows

[forest edge]

this thing is 40 bucks at sam's club https://fanttik.com/products/fanttik-s1-capsule-deluxe-cordless-screwdriver

[stuck anchor]

i bought two of those cheap chinese managed switches with 2.5gb ports and 10gb uplinks. i have not tested the 10gb ports yet, but i have confirmed that lacp bonding and vlans work as expected.

[radiant harness]

Hm, running my home assistant VM doubles the idle consuption of my machien from 4W to 10W (internal CPU sensor) or 16 to 28W (IKEA Zigbee plug).

[delicate glade]

I have one of those, works pretty good.

[weak musk]

lol that’s plenty for most home use

[fair ermine]

I think I'm starting to realize something about HA users the more and more I read into the options of certain hardware.

I think an overwhelming amount of people don't understand that devices on a local wifi network can still communicate with each other even if that LAN/WLAN does not have WAN access.

like I've had a few conversations now where I say "if the internet is down I want to still be able to send commands to the device" and the response always seems to be "well get zwave/zigbee/etc"

I understand those communication standards have their purposes and pros/cons compared to Wi-fi, but... whyy? am I missing some historical community context where everyone (and apparently plenty of manufacturers too...) seems to forget that local wlans are perfectly capable of hosting communication between devices?

[robust flicker]

@fair ermine Well, the problem is, the vast majority of wifi devices do want a cloud connection to work properly. But since zwave and zigbee can't even access the internet, there's no way the manufacturers can require internet access on those, no matter how cheap they are.

[weak musk]

People define internet access as “WiFi”

[fair ermine]

'do want' and 'choose not to' and 'don't understand that it is even possible' seem to have some big gaps between them

[fair ermine]

people are stupid.

[robust flicker]

So, to ensure you can find a device that works like you want, without needing internet access, you get one of those. Plus, there's the whole problem of every device on your wifi connection slows down everything else.

[weak musk]

“The WiFi is down”— no your internet is.

[weak musk]

Yep. You asked for the reasoning of the confusion. That’s the reason.

[fair ermine]

people in general, yes. I would assume the people I'm talking to, proxmox/unifi/homeassistant users, wouldn't be that dumb.

[robust flicker]

I like my esphome wifi devices, but I will still look for either zigbee or zwave devices first while a wifi device is the backup option.

[weak musk]

Zwave>zigbee>esphome>manual interaction is my hierarchy

[fair ermine]

are you lumping wifi into 'manual interaction'

[weak musk]

No

I’m not using WiFi devices unless they are esp devices

[robust flicker]

I swap zigbee and zwave, but otherwise, yeah. Because for me, price is more important, and zwave devices are typically more expensive.

[weak musk]

That’s fair. I think I said this the other day but when I started smart home stuff I was still in an apartment— so getting devices that wouldn’t be impacted by 2.4ghz WiFi was basically a requirement, hence zwave

Now it really doesn’t matter

(Between zwave and zigbee)

[robust flicker]

Yep, and that's definitely a valid point. I just live in the sticks. 😛

[weak musk]

Absolutely true also

[fair ermine]

i mean most people don't even have z/etc, so saying the thing they currently have doesn't reach isn't a good point. in either scenario it's up to the user to add/move wireless hardware.

[weak musk]

What

[fair ermine]

and when we are talking about a system that's supposed to be 'everyhting works!" it shouldn't be an issue

[young sigil]

The only reason I went with zigbee rather than zwave is historical. When I first started HA zwave support was awful. I hear it has improved considerably but I now have a big zigbee mesh and co-existing wifi network that serves me well nearly everywhere. Right next to one of my wifi APs is a zigbee black spot but other than that all is well.

[weak musk]

When was that tom?

[young sigil]

2018

[fair ermine]

iunno what you are whatting here lol

[weak musk]

I don’t understand the first part of your statement

[robust flicker]

I have 8 3R RGB smart bulbs, 4 SonOff relays, 2 3r motions, 2 Apollo Automation MSR-2s, and 4 SonOff smart plugs. Plus a stupidly cheap thermostat that doesn't have an integration, a TP link smart switch, and a Tuya switch, and a smartHQ GE washer. The washer was the wife's desire, the two switches were also bought for me as gifts, and the thermo is .. my next thing to replace, lol

That's basically my entire setup.

[young sigil]

I actually went full wifi after my bad experience with zwave but then transitioned to zigbee as my wifi smart plugs started dying. Those things are not built to last. They all run hot and fail after a year or two. The zigbee plugs seem to last a lot longer (3 years and counting). Now have zigbee dimmers and switches everywhere too. The locks are pretty basic but do the job. Got them (new) at a telco disposal sale for $90 pacific clams (AUD).

[weak musk]

And basically ALL battery sensors should exclusively be zigbee or zwave

[fair ermine]

most people in the world do not have zigbee/zwave/other-non-wifi networks in their home. (people outside of HA communities tend to forget this too..)

decoy's point was that most people's wifi networks start getting iffy at the edges.

my point is that in either scenario if a person wants to get into HA with smart devices the work to resolve either issue is the same: add/adjust wireless hardware. the user would need to either add a z/etc that could potentially cover the whole house or just move/add a node to their existing wifi service.

[robust flicker]

Oh, I forgot a couple of zigbee temp sensors in my list

[young sigil]

When I was running a large wifi network I quickly learned about the client limit of home modem/router/wifi boxes. Went Unifi with 3 APs to solve that issue.

[robust flicker]

That depends on just how they get into it, because the VERY first thing I bought when I decided to get into HA was a ZBT-1 USB stick

[fair ermine]

that was your way of resolving it, yeah

you added wireless hardware

[fair ermine]

some people even already have that before getting into HA, which is kinda my point in all of this. if someone has a really good WLAN it doesn't matter because it looks like everything on the market is going zwave/zigbee and if you want to run something on your WLAN you better put on your cloudclown facepaint

it's infuriating and specifically why I've put off buying a thermostat for the past 6mo.

every time I look at the options I get pissed with how much each one has a giant hole in it's foot

[robust flicker]

How is it the fault of HAnkr it's users that most manufacturers either offer Z-wave, zigbee, or their own cloud wifi crap?

[fair ermine]

I want wifi without cloud

I can get zigbee/zwave without cloud, but if I want wifi I'm stuck using a service that can go down when my ISP sucks (p.s. they suck)

[robust flicker]

Then complain to the manufacturer.of the device. That's on them, not HA.

[fair ermine]

I never once complained about HA as a software/service/product

[delicate glade]

that's why we have two isps. They're rarely both down at the same time.

[fair ermine]

I was complaining about the HA users I was talking to before coming in here, and how I've had to remind seemingly everyone I talk to that WLAN works fine without WAN

[robust flicker]

No, you just insulted HA users' intelligence as if it's because they're dumb that you can't find a wifi thermostat that doesn't require a cloud connection

[fair ermine]

so why bother offering z* options at all

[weak musk]

What even is this argument lol

[robust flicker]

There's no real wifi-without-cloud standard for manufacturers to conform to, for one thing.

Zigbee and Z-wave are both well known and well supported standards, so there's no need for hardware developers to invent it.

[weak musk]

“I can’t get a cloudless WiFi device so therefore zigbee and zwave shouldn’t exist”

[fair ermine]

that's not what I'm implying in the slightest

[weak musk]

My dude

[ocean oar]

Isn't that in some sense what Matter-over-WiFi is trying to be? I know it's early days, but it seems like that was the intent of decoupling the RF side from the communication protocol.

[robust flicker]

Yep. And matter is .... Unstable

[weak musk]

Matter is shit right now lol

[ocean oar]

How isn't it removing cloud? Unstable I can appreciate

[robust flicker]

I was trying to be diplomatic 🤣

[fair ermine]

they said 'companies want you on their cloud'

so my response was why would they offer the z options if that is true? if that's the only reason why a wan-less wlan option doesn't exist then why would those options exist?

it is a question. I never once said 'they shouldn't exist', how do you even get there from here? my literal first statement has "I understand those communication standards have their purposes and pros/cons compared to Wi-fi" in it, I know they are good and have uses. I'm not complaining about their existence?

[delicate glade]

I used to have a huuuuge smartthings setup, till the hub crapped itself. At the time you couldn't copy the configs, even though they existed on the cloud client.

[fair ermine]

yes, that fits perfectly into "I understand those communication standards have their purposes and pros/cons compared to Wi-fi"

[weak musk]

I came from SmartThings too. They bungled so many things in such a short time period moving to HA was such an easy choice.

Hubs in a tub sounds like a cover band started by a bunch of ha enthusiasts

[fair ermine]

not really, because for me the solve is not just "add a z/whatever" because both 2.4 and 915mhz are already fully saturated.

[robust flicker]

I came from Google home. It was enough to give a taste, but it didn't let me really get down into the weeds with automation, I have a bunch of things set up in HA that would've been a huge pain the ass to do in GH, if even possible at all.

Plus, both the other household users are Apple users, and the GH app for iPhone is clunky AF

[weak musk]

Pretty much what I was finding with SmartThings

[robust flicker]

Plus, now that I've been working at the local county jail for over a year, I've become quite a bit more security conscious, and am slowly cutting out the few cloud devices I have left. Unfortunately I can't delete the ge washer. Gotta keep the wife happy lol

[delicate glade]

we still have smartthings, but I have them plugged into ha.

[robust flicker]

Yeah, we have 3 Google Casts, and a home mini speaker still on GH, but in HA too.

[delicate glade]

heh, I still have a bunch of chromcast audio devices, still new in the box.

when they discontinued them, we bought a bunch as spairs.

[robust flicker]

Had to setup udp relays for them to all work, since my router is an 8-port Sophos firewall and every port is a separate interface and subnet lol

[delicate glade]

that doesn't sound fun at all.

[robust flicker]

It was fairly simple, tbh. Just gotta know which ports to relay.

[delicate glade]

🤣

[robust flicker]

Just a matter of installing the correct plugin into opnsense

[uneven bloom]

Is that's what has happened to my Schlage integration?

[stuck mortar]

Eyes 10G router under the stairs

[forest edge]

I know an audiophile || @tidal bronze || that would like to have those.

[tidal bronze]

Wowza

[delicate glade]

Our old house in Ohio was wired for sound.

Was nice to be able to just walk into Dayton Audio to buy the amps. 🤣

[tidal bronze]

Was about to ask about Dayton

[delicate glade]

we were about an hour north of there.

[unborn merlin]

gotta love.. all that audio equipment.. attached to cheap piece of shit power strips.. 😛

[static sluice]

at least it's a name brand strip, kinda. Not that that means much

[unborn merlin]

MOVs are trash regardless 😛

for long term or significant sort of protection..

[glacial knot]

MOV?

[unborn merlin]

metal oxide varistors

they're the active element of cheapo surge strips.

also a lot of audio equipment for..

As someone ina YT video called it...

A rural bar-fight of a state..

[high remnant]

https://iwillnotbuynitro.com/u/OD96C0oFmZ.jpeg victory 🎉

[young sigil]

I have never understood the obsession with badge ewaste.

[unborn merlin]

if it was done.. like.. in a way that it could be repurposed/reused itd be nicer certainly.

[ocean oar]

It should be possible in theory; make the microcontroller unpluggable so it can be re-used for another project, and one of those proposed water-soluble PCBs so you can dissolve the substrate and recycle the copper

[high remnant]

I have a bunch. I have no idea what to do w/them

[high remnant]

I mean the WHY2025 one is nice, on paper. But due to the drama its just not that great

[ocean oar]

Drama?

[high remnant]

yeah there was a whole bunch of drama behind the scenes

the OG badge team quit and something about an very overstated fire hazard

[ocean oar]

Oh, just found:
https://hackaday.com/2025/08/12/when-a-badge-misses-the-mark-why-2025/

[high remnant]

yup

its been both hilarious and sad at the same time

[high remnant]

this will prolly end up as some mini display for my home lol

only its FUGLY

[dawn badge]

<@&330946878646517761>

[iron granite]

Gone

[radiant harness]

Is there any way to figure out where HAOS/home assistant spend all its time/cpu? Starting/stoppign the haos vm doubles my system's power consumption

[primal laurel]

#1284966540617449515

[radiant harness]

Thanks will ask the question there

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NlrfOl0l8U

[arctic quarry]

3b1b is so good

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze you enjoying breathable air and edible food while being away from Mordor?

[crisp oriole]

I bet be brought mordor snacks. Prolly deep fried

[static schooner]

Deep Fried Hobbitses

[fresh raven]

Quick question: do I need Apple TV/Hub to use HomeKit integration over mobile data?

Only works over wifi/lan, unlike Google home

[static schooner]

#1284966582375813201

[fresh raven]

Yeh, I didn't want to create a whole thread about it, just simple yes/no

[static schooner]

Support is over there

This isn't a quick question channel

[fresh raven]

It's fine, forget it

[last cedar]

Does anyone want to trade the 4 deer in my garden for a raccoon? No lowballs, I know what I have got

[winter heart]

Not sure where else to put this idea. Wish they had a category called, "Wouldn't it be neat if..."

1. Wouldn't it be neat if they had a "turn your ideas into reality" section in a "works with HA" page where it showed one of those whole house 3d rendered walk-throughs. In each room would be all kinds of ultimate tech ideas (in rendered drawings). When you hovered over the tech idea a pop-up box with a "get all the details" link would be made available...?

Example: I want ideas for automated mini-blinds for my home. I click on one of the mini-blinds in the 3d rendered walk through. The pop-up box links me to a page where all kinds of people have left extensive contributed notes detailing exactly how they 'made it work with Home Assistant' in their own homes.

[robust flicker]

Well. Wifey's Lexus now has a new water pump. It was more involved than I was hoping, but easier than I feared. My Honda water pumps are a pain, comparitively. Which is a a bit of a shock, tbh. Prevailing wisdom says Hondas are easier to work on, while Toyota's win in the reliability department. The hardest part about the Toyota was getting the pulley off the old water pump, because multiple bolts were behind said pulley, but the bearings for the impeller shaft had left the chat, and there was no bracing it... I finally managed to get them free by removing motor mounts and jacking up the engine to get my breaker bar in there, and wedged a wrench.

[primal laurel]

Try https://community.home-assistant.io/

[lavish badger]

Does the trash panda come with trash to feed it or do I need to supply my own?

[delicate glade]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/crgo6HyDsioCxofg8

for the most part, they've stopped coming around after we stopped putting out the bird feeders.

[forest edge]

we would just be condemning it to death

[summer depot]

Must be why virtually every power substation uses them to shunt lightening surges to ground and why I wired my house with Siemens FSPD 140.

[unborn merlin]

when they're being actively maintained and monitored they're fine

does your cheapo power strip have an indicator light saying the protection is still valid?

Probably not, no.

[lavish badger]

Sure it does, if it starts smoking it's time to replace it.

[unborn merlin]

they don't all fail that way. 😛

[lavish badger]

But is best most fun way lol

[stuck mortar]

The smoke tells you when a new power strip has been elected

[peak slate]

But that's only white smoke

What happens if my strip gives black smoke

Then I guess I give it more time?

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge mood for this Sunday! 79 and crisp!

[summer depot]

@last cedar I've got bunnies, the occasional armadillo, and some kind snake with red black and white stripes

[ocean oar]

I can offer eels, ducks, and the occasional native parrot

[lavish badger]

I forget who hated my front door before?

Black vinyl tinted baby.

So long as it stays up there of course.

[mild kiln]

I got a small motion+luminance zwave sensor, a nice magnet to put on the back, got it all setup in hass, attached it near the top of the back of my mailbox so it would be out of the way, tested the signal reached my zwave network without issue. Everything was great.

Then I closed the door on the mailbox and remembered I just put a wireless signal in a metal box. No more network reachability. <insert sad face here>

[stuck mortar]

I hate it now

[stuck mortar]

I had better luck with a Zigbee plug in the metal landscape lighting box than z-wave despite much better coverage of the latter network

[ocean oar]

I have LoRa things in my garage going through two concrete retaining walls, probably 3 metres of dirt, most of my house, and all of the neighbour's house that still work 🤣

It often records an SNR of... checks notes... around -7dB

[mild kiln]

I don't have any zigbee devices to test with unfortunately, so it won't relay off anything. I do have a meshtastic node in the house i could connect to hass though... I'm guessing anything I build with motion+lora is not going to be as nicely packaged/tiny as this device is, and battery worse 🙁

[forest edge]

please tell us you look exactly like that when those songs come on

[static schooner]

I would want to do the electronic frosting just so I could make it immediately transparent just before opening the door to spook visitors

Would probably be nice to get some light through there

[mild kiln]

@ocean oar glad you replied with that. I put my meshtastic LoRA node in the mailbox and sent 3 test messages. All of them went through. Also found these, so going to try it out. https://www.mokosmart.com/lorawan-pir-motion-sensor-lw007-pir/ + https://github.com/1technophile/OpenMQTTGateway/releases/tag/v1.7.0

[ocean oar]

I'm using normal PTMP LoRa for mine, but have sensors very much like that

[mild kiln]

Yes, I won't use meshtastic for the install, it was just a quick and dirty LoRA test.

[minor bobcat]

Is that pure black or like a really dark tint like you see on some taillights?

[unborn merlin]

bah not enough

if you want to truly fuck with people

Paint it with this. https://www.culturehustleusa.com/products/black-3-0-the-worlds-blackest-black-acrylic-paint-150ml

🤣

[last cedar]

I am flexible on that point

[last cedar]

I can swap 2 deer for an armadill, would that align with your requirements?

I am going to pass on the stripey nope ropes

[crisp oriole]

Where are my keys. Your black keys are on the black table.

[pastel creek]

Has anyone noticed a serious speed up in HA when using local AI? Seems to me like voice output is now on a slight delay compared to real time output from the LLM instead of coming after the whole response has been produced. Let me know if I shouldn't ask these sort of stuff here 😅

[primal laurel]

#machine-learning

[summer depot]

I'll pass I've had deer. But if you come up with a bobcat, ring me. A pet bobcat would be bad ass and would an environmentally friendly solution to the other pests

[robust flicker]

As someone who has encountered bobcats (momma and babies) in the wild, no thank you.... A cat, the size of medium-size dog...

I was about 12 or 13, riding an ATV, alone, through the wooded area near where I grew up, and as I always did, I'd just stop and wander around on foot in random areas of the woods, just exploring and listening .. heard a noise, and when I found it, it was a bobcat. And I realized quickly why she did not run, as I saw wriggling shapes behind her.... I slowly backed away while she screamed at me.... Got back on my 4 wheeler and hauled tail out of there.

[solar zealot]

if no fren why fren shaped???

[forest edge]

the changes made to buttons like the Restart under 8.x I can both see how it makes it more user friendly and also makes it less modern is maybe the term used

[lavish badger]

It’s actually blackout.

Which is really what I wanted anyhow. That door faces west the less sun that gets in the better

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-heat-sun-hot-gif-9311508710605837639

[high remnant]

i am programming; every time i get a compilation error i take a shot

https://tenor.com/view/hungarian-club-how-to-dance-hungarian-funny-face-gif-15797100

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[long oak]

I am seven days late. No, it's not v*be coded, It's bad on purpose, I want to stop with this relatively pointless argument. Have a nice rest of your day.

[high remnant]

holy shit

[long oak]

what

[scenic radish]

FWIW your site made me laugh

[high remnant]

that

i just saw the messages had had to look

[scenic radish]

Seems obviously intentionally bad

[fathom sparrow]

I'm just confused how that conversation can be considered an argument

[primal laurel]

it's not

[trail crag]

there are lots of 2000's website throwback efforts going on with Gen Z. It's very popular

I mean, it's popular with Gen Z, you don't have to be Gen Z to appreciate it.

[static schooner]

don't be jealous

[high remnant]

it was!!

looks like something i have stored under my bed

[delicate glade]

does it also light up?

[high remnant]

yes

im sorry but i had to

i saw one at reddit disguised as a paper holder

like the in the kitchen

[fathom sparrow]

link to post?

[high remnant]

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/s/QHk4Fh6Jf6

i mean i totally see that

[primal laurel]

Is that a home assistant zwave dongle in your pants or are you happy to see me

[scenic radish]

#the-water-cooler-after-dark

[high remnant]

“why does the zwave dongle smell funny”

[fathom sparrow]

that's a short paper towel

[high remnant]

i would guess 30cm ish?

[solar zealot]

Oh my this is great and terrible

[fathom sparrow]

Oh, that is a small paper towel

[scenic radish]

ur a small paper towel

[solar zealot]

It's the tissue box but for cooking people

[scenic radish]

that's a big paper towel

[fathom sparrow]

standard US paper towel in it

not big, standard size

[scenic radish]

heard that before

[fathom sparrow]

I took that back in June

[solar zealot]

Is this letter sized?

Oh my

[fathom sparrow]

the zwa is a foot tall just about

[solar zealot]

We should totally ask for them to be norm sized like regular paper

[fathom sparrow]

that's 30.5 cm's for all you weirdos

[scenic radish]

so like 99% of the world? 🤣

[fathom sparrow]

1 foot = 30.5 cm

[solar zealot]

Americans and their feet addiction

[dawn badge]

a foot is 3 hands if it helps 🙂

[fathom sparrow]

well anyways, the zwa is huge

and that reddit post has an unusually small paper towel on it

[high remnant]

feet 🤤🤤🤤

[high remnant]

couldn’t find the weirdo US one

so its in metric

[dawn badge]

FYI: 3 barleycorns to an inch, 4 inches to a hand, 3 hands to a foot, 3 feet to a yard. 22 yard to a chain, 10 chains to a furlong, 8 furlongs to a mile.

[high remnant]

how may eagles are in a yard

[dawn badge]

thats too American, i only know the uk originals 😛

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-9338065310670481220

[high remnant]

how many Jaffas are in a yard

[dawn badge]

you are gunna need to be more specific on which meaning of jaffa because some don't make any sense there

[high remnant]

o dear lord

i ment the cakes

christ

[high remnant]

lmao

[dawn badge]

~13.7

diameter of the cakes are 21/8 inches

[forest edge]

I mean you have a rough and probably fairly accurate guess at how long that is. don't say you don't lol

[forest edge]

is the base ip65 rated for wet hands reaching for a towel?

[dawn badge]

you might have to Teflon tape the antenna connection

[forest edge]

I think the idea of disguising tech into other household items isn't a bad idea

[high remnant]

if someone uses that to dry their hands in my house were fighting

that shit is expensive

[forest edge]

add like a weight sensor to it that way it can tell if the paper towel roll is empty or near empty and use the light on top to indicate. light in peripheral vision is much more noticeable than an empty roll

[peak slate]

https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Jaffa I'm offended the most important jaffa isn't on there

[dawn badge]

Kree

[delicate glade]

https://tenor.com/view/tealc-stargate-gif-17960585

[forest edge]

wrong universe

fist fights over ev charger lol https://youtube.com/shorts/4W293o8mBMo?si=25H5WEDvvFlm6FWm

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/tarantino-cannes-bow-batusi-gif-26197432

[dawn badge]

need need some time for infrastructure to catch up i guess

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRtyMCeDw8o

[weak musk]

bummer

[solar zealot]

🫘

[dawn badge]

depending on the definition of "harmful" that could be a lot of interactions

[high remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/rihanna-love-the-way-you-lie-gif-11354164

[weak musk]

"Listen motherfucker, do what I told you to do" is a daily statement from me to AI bots

[solar zealot]

just promt them to "do not make mistakes"

easy fix

[static schooner]

Claude will end abusive users

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-oh-damn-oh-daymn-daym-damn-gif-2649905700736798302

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-2-arnold-schwarzenegger-judgment-day-skynet-gif-7405932669297095694

[forest edge]

thats kind of awesome. wouldn't trust the escalators tho

[solar zealot]

whats gonna happen? things escalating?

[weak musk]

degloving

[forest edge]

escalators pinch

if you look at people escalators they go to great lengths to minimize the chances of that happening but it still does. imagine a diy one lol

[solar zealot]

thats just lies made up by Big Stairs

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/alex-jones-hmm-gif-17403885161756403744

[primal laurel]

after Big Windows, we got Big Stairs? where does it end?

[static schooner]

Big Splat

[solar zealot]

Big Roof or Big Foundation

depends on wether you pay the money back or you dont

[lapis cairn]

Back when liveleak was around there was enough content to disprove that one 😂

[solar zealot]

live leak? thats just Big Plumbing...

[lapis cairn]

It was like youtube without any moderation, so lots of people being sucked into escalators.

[summer depot]

Not sure why a full wave antenna vs 1/4 was chosen. Marketing? It's an atypical design. In free space outdoors without anything that can reflect, block or jam signals, a full wave with properly impudence matched network might have slightly more gain. In addition full wave antennas are more susceptible to detuning by their surroundings Indoors as used there'd really be no significant difference and poorly designed full wave could be worse

Chat GPT created good Summary

[solar zealot]

Chat GPT created good Summary

[arctic quarry]

pretty sure that was covered in the release party btw, I didn't catch all of it but they showcased the design at some length. did you watch it?

[summer depot]

Yeah I watched it Dispute the Chat GPT summary with contravening facts.

[solar zealot]

the first hint would be that the thing is smaller than what it considers to be the wavelength at 900mhz

i am a bit disappointed that it didnt make for a zwave+zigbee double unit for how huge it is

[summer depot]

The wave length at 900 Mhz is 333 mm about 13 inches.

[forest edge]

ai is everywhere! https://youtube.com/shorts/Yv8ONicBGbo?si=A-hiJPs-Y3CMkWqJ

[dawn badge]

it being big also has the side effect of probably getting better positioning just because of how people will approach using it.
make something small and people stick hanging at an off angle out the back of their server which is perhaps inside a rack etc...
make it big with a solid base and it means people will have to think about where it goes and put it sensible location

[solar zealot]

the device is 315mm in height, id guess with the cap and bottom accounted for you dont have 300 for the antenna

if it isnt even smaller than that

[summer depot]

the coil at the bottom of the antenna makes it a full wave antenna in a slightly smaller length

[solar zealot]

imma not calculate the length of those windings today :P

[summer depot]

Its not a one-to-one relationship RF and antennas design is very complicated science along with experience ( magic), and some expensive test gear. I've worked with RF engineer wizards .. I've seen it

[solar zealot]

you do know they burn magic people

must have a reason

[summer depot]

Not really good RF Engineers

[fathom sparrow]

pretty sure it was made that large just so it could be used as a butt plug

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-farley-shades-shocked-shock-shook-gif-8293119

[solar zealot]

wait its not a paper towel holder?

[fathom sparrow]

it's a device with many hats

[dawn badge]

hence the flared base

[grizzled gull]

wtf did I just walk into...

[summer depot]

I was going to say something, and I wonder how long before the dual-purpose neon green covering is available, but I didn't want to be insensitive to the needs of others. You can get a time out for that kind of stuff

[solar zealot]

the tenacle one?

thats just Big Nabu wanting you to buy eight of them for a full set

[summer depot]

I wouldn't know ...

[solar zealot]

its called marketing d u h

[primal laurel]

calls something marketing
uses chatgpt to form argumenst

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[summer depot]

Dispute the accurate information provided Chat GPT ... I won't wait

So you can't .

[static schooner]

Have ChatGPT refute the argument?

[summer depot]

try it

[static schooner]

You can play this game yourself

[primal laurel]

why dont you try it? lazy bum

put some work into your arguments you slacker

here's my DIY QFH for NOAA 15 (RIP)

[summer depot]

I used an expert search engine to do it ... what have you done but mouth off

[primal laurel]

you seriously asking other people to argue with chat GPT?

send me the prompt ill argue with it in person

[summer depot]

Please compare a full-wave monopole 900 Mhz antenna with ground plane to a 1/4 wave antenna with ground plane used in lower power ISM applications in a typical home

please point out any inaccuracies

[static schooner]

Say potato

[primal laurel]

The problem is it takes a lot of effort to disprove bullshit but it takes very little to produce it

[weak musk]

More like back into right?

[dawn badge]

ah...I think I see your issue here... you are under the impression we care what you got an AI to say. 🙂

[summer depot]

Again smart guy.. please point out any BS since you're making the claim

[primal laurel]

You are making a claim you're too dumb to defend yourself

[weak musk]

it's not hard Occam:

Occam: Evidence of Bothood

Typing latency studies show Occam responds within 3.14159 ms — faster than human motor control allows. Linguistic entropy analysis reveals near-zero filler words, unlike any human baseline. Combined with the ability to sustain 17 parallel conversations without fatigue, the simplest conclusion is clear: Occam is not human, but a highly optimized conversational algorithm.

[static schooner]

#botspam is right over there 👉

[summer depot]

That wasn't an AI query, it was simple gathering of facts and comparing

[weak musk]

I hear your prespective, even if I don't share it.

I think we've both made our points, no need to go in circles.

-# Prompt, ChatGPT how do I end an argument with a moron?

[static schooner]

No More On

[summer depot]

None of you has made even a weak attempt to dispute the information. Your collective response been ; We don't like that

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/honestly-both-of-you-olivia-colman-queen-elizabeth-ii-the-crown-not-you-gif-19583927

whats after micro? https://youtu.be/UHAHyOz7DYI?si=ASFPQPu6Rqr_bdIe

[summer depot]

nano ... pico

[dawn badge]

nano, one would imagine

[primal laurel]

well if you want a good reason. It's way harder to tune. Practically all antenna front end systems have to be tuned for 50 ohm impedance so that power transfer is maximal. With your design that becomes either very difficult meaning it has to be done in the factory and thus is costly, or impossible

[minor bobcat]

If someone wants to durability test their antenna i've got some fucking heavy paper roll I'm about to throw away

42inches wide, about 50m in the roll at 230g/m²

So roughly 12kg

[static schooner]

I don't recommend using it to store aluminum foil rolls

[forest edge]

fuck this lol https://youtube.com/shorts/OeD18_GlxaQ?si=9UQVQhtqvFG7dZBU

[scenic radish]

Seriously, no thanks

[ocean oar]

Well it solves one issue with usual trash-grade American outlets, that the live contacts aren't completely exposed on the side

Everything else about that is somehow worse, which is quite an achievement

[forest edge]

screw terminals on the side isn't really an issue but outlets/switches have both these days. connections in the back and side

[visual walrus]

Thank God I can turn that on this year.

[delicate glade]

I like the european round receptacles. Can use a hole saw to cut the sheetrock.

Thise are nice too.

Oh, cool! They make one with 60W usb-c pd capability.

[arctic quarry]

appropriate paredolia moment

"NOO WHAT ARE YOU PUTTING IN ME"

[weak musk]

This is basically all I see at the big box stores now.

[weak musk]

“What are you doing step outlet”

[arctic quarry]

see I didn't go there but I'm glad someone did

[delicate glade]

they were just starting to appear at the lowe's I was working at before we moved.

[forest edge]

if you had said that you liked that both outlets and light fixtures use the same gang box I may have agreed with you on that one point that you didn't make lol

but actually aren't thier switches etc square not round?

I cannot figure out for the life of me if it's tmobile or my hardware that is causing my connection in the barn to sometimes be 4g or 2g. it's so random that I cannot pinpoint anything external being the cause

[high remnant]

me every friday evening

[delicate glade]

they use both.

[forest edge]

well see in that case square and round isn't any better than rectangle and round

[arctic quarry]

squares are prettier tho

chess mate

[forest edge]

proof anything said is a real word lol https://youtube.com/shorts/vES27I3LrL0?si=x0NifX-Wp_bdjL7y

I never heard of tradwife, lewk or inspo. never heard anyone say it or type it till that video

[crimson canyon]

What day is 0:00:00 in time triggers? I know this is sort of support, but it seems daft to go through the relatively heavyweight process for this simple a question.

[peak slate]

Inspo is one I've used

Lol

Also pretty obvious when used in context as just short form

[crimson canyon]

I have heard too much about tradwives.

[primal laurel]

That's just midnight

[crimson canyon]

I mean, if it's 0:00 on Monday, that should be just after Sunday, but I sometimes see midnight on Monday being used to mean just before Tuesday.

[primal laurel]

It's midnight, any day

[crimson canyon]

I know what midnight is. The newest version of HA has triggers at a given time on specific weekdays, and that's what I'm not sure about.

[primal laurel]

#1284980040940912641

[last cedar]

I wonder what this does...

https://tenor.com/view/im-covered-in-foam-dawg-gif-17493875385303865620

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/cottoncandy-racoon-funny-animal-gif-5846999

[grizzled gull]

OMG I hate preinstalled windows 11 laptops, bitlocker, secure boot, jumping through hoops to get a linux distro on

[twilit venture]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[crisp oriole]

Strange fellows those windows guys. 1st New updates i hate them. Now omg omg my system is unusable because it dont get new updates

[crisp oriole]

That question is only daft if you live in an am pm country

[peak slate]

23:59:60 is my favorite time

It hasn't happened since 2016 though

[dawn badge]

leap seconds are fun and we get to see random software fail because of them.

[primal laurel]

my favourite time is 00:00:00 UTC, 1 Jan. 1970

[iron granite]

GPS week rollover days are fun.

[dawn badge]

the next one happening in 2038 is going to make for a rough year

[iron granite]

We had some safety relevant devices, which needed a new firmware in time due to that week number rollover.

[iron granite]

2038 is a double problem year. GPS week number rollover and Y2K38 UNIX epoch problem.

[dawn badge]

yeah thats what i was getting at

we are actually getting close to lots of 2038 action though, LTS things that are based on 10 years will be getting to the point of a fix being required.

ubuntu LTS's are actually 12 years if you include "legacy support" so 26.04 LTS will be the first version to fall into the window

so we are less than 2 months before 25.10 drops and 26.04 alpha will appear

[crisp oriole]

As far i know is debian not fixing the 32 bit bug but abandoning the hardware

[solar zealot]

correct decision

[dawn badge]

yeah probably best

[iron granite]

Debian 13 already dropped support for 32 bit hardware. They just offer some 32 bit libraries for compatibility.

https://tenor.com/view/noo-no-father-elf-will-farrell-gif-14042015

[static schooner]

Won't somebody think of the bits? Where will they live?

Are they supposed to get a job in some 64-bit system?

[solar zealot]

Isn't that pro bits because you have more?

What happens after their allocation is not our problem

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/tron-bit-gif-16897231412473566592

[crisp oriole]

Arm 32bit still going strong

[dawn badge]

to everyones dismay 😛

[glacial knot]

Is it?

Are watches on aarch64 by now?

[forest edge]

16bit4lyfe

https://youtu.be/3x2x9gO3q4o?si=W6hiWB2EvqfLBgXx

[long oak]

i ❤️ ms paint

[forest edge]

and to think these days you would still get a gold star

[long oak]

what gold star? this guy?

[crisp oriole]

Shack assistant

[long oak]

cus i think that's all my shitty drawing deserves lol

[long oak]

Den Helper

[scenic radish]

oh I'm totally stealing this as an emoji for one of my servers

[long oak]

nice

[crisp oriole]

Pirate

[robust flicker]

That moment when you watch a corrections officer tase himself by shooting his own hand while using his Taser as a flashlight.. 🤣🤣🤣

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-kill-fuego-matar-incendiar-gif-5307315

[long oak]

presenting den helper: with one integration and uh i think something, you can house

[crisp oriole]

But it gives light right

Try the boy scouts

[long oak]

random number generation

[crisp oriole]

If its random why does no random number generator generated the number pi

[long oak]

because pi is infinite therefore it would take literal infinite numbers to get to pi, although you can shave off digits to make pi, because 3.14159 is easier to generate than 3.14159265358979323 and so on.

my god that was nerdy

[forest edge]

how old are you again?

[long oak]

weird age

[forest edge]

just your parents

[long oak]

who has?

[forest edge]

wrong

[long oak]

what the fuck is sonomagts generation

[forest edge]

you thought I was mid 60's?

[long oak]

yeah tbh i dont think someone in mid-60s even knows what discord is honestly

[forest edge]

well you know what thjey say about opinions

oh wait, you probably don't lol

[scenic radish]

https://tenor.com/view/honestly-both-of-you-olivia-colman-queen-elizabeth-ii-the-crown-not-you-gif-19583927

[long oak]

peak discord

[peak slate]

You know what they say about assumptions

I even screw up my dumb retort

[forest edge]

wasn't that options a sec ago?

[peak slate]

I'll show myself out

[peak slate]

Yup, worst typo ever (citation needed)

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-fall-on-face-goof-up-fail-face-down-gif-16020056

[scenic radish]

[forest edge]

gross you pay for nitro

[long oak]

this is the reverse of how medieval hierarchy works

[crisp oriole]

Now on facebook ha anime girl

[forest edge]

ha goes anime porn or hentai or whatever that is

[high remnant]

let me introduce you to my zipline domain; https://iwillnotbuynitro.com

[forest edge]

wtf is that

[dawn badge]

<@&330946878646517761>

[desert cave]

lmao 2018 called

[scenic radish]

Gone

[high remnant]

zipline, a way to share images

screwnshots

https://iwillnotbuynitro.com/u/eagLxQKzJn.png like this

[long oak]

what the fuck

[iron granite]

What kind of collaboration?

[long oak]

this is the weirdest message ever he even deleted it in #find-a-channel

[iron granite]

That might have been me.

[long oak]

oh

still weird

like imagine saying "I'm looking for native American 🇺🇸 to collaborate personally." Like what the fuck

[iron granite]

Damn. Someone banned them, before I was finished playing with them.

[crisp oriole]

Are there people here who live in haarlem who wants to bring me a pizza?

[long oak]

get your own pizza

[iron granite]

We have quite a lot of those "I look for someone, to collaborate on something absolutely not shady" messages.

[long oak]

I'm hoping that the goal there isn't what i'm thinking of but it might be.

[iron granite]

You can volunteer to befriend the next one to test your theory.

[long oak]

ok fine

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksparrow-jack-sparrow-captainjacksparrow-captainjack-captain-jack-gif-22081901

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-you-disgust-me-gif-13209976

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze come to LA you said, it will be fun you said... https://youtu.be/sShY_3yg7C0?si=71tqU-ADJ1Er7MRC

[stuck mortar]

Breaking news! Someone got unreasonably angry at another person! In public!

[forest edge]

being desensitized is not a myth!

[stuck mortar]

We could talk about the civil war in Sudan instead, but white woman gets punched at concert makes better rage bait

[dawn badge]

"drug fuelled rage at electronic music gig" to be fair the shock level is not high

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/segundo-sol-novela-remy-vladimir-brichta-chocado-gif-12304506

[dawn badge]

We estimate that a third (33.5%) of EDM party attendees have experienced a drug-related adverse effect in the past year. SOURCE

[calm spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1356999347308466371/1367763321826316338/xavier_stare.gif

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/drugs-are-bad-drugs-mkay-south-park-gif-4499796

[forest edge]

I like how the whole "man punches woman" aspect of it gets glossed over.. equal rights amiright

[stuck mortar]

How about no one punches another person regardless?

Is it better if a man gets knocked out over a spilled drink?

Or is hur hur catfight the preference?

[forest edge]

https://imgur.com/not-job-ToWMR5g

[stuck mortar]

Ah, hur hur fighting is funny

[forest edge]

I guess it does kind of go hand in hand with the stories you hear of people getting robbed and thier neighbors just going back inside to watch tv lol

and vehicles now it seems

think there are a few videos of people just watching some steal catalytic converters and breaking windows then just go back inside cause it wasn't thier stuff lol