the-water-cooler

[tidal bronze]

Too funny. Way too funny.

[forest edge]

just glad I got to finish the voltron series on netflix before it poofed

you can certianly till they "redid" it for modren times

there was some things in it you would have never seen on saturday morning cartoons

[tidal bronze]

Jackal is the series! So good. Too good!

[weary bone]

yeah I don't like that it's hovering at that number, but then again, I think a general background is like 450 or something. with nobody in the room. I also suspect that it's not properly calibrated. still getting used to the sensor.

[solar zealot]

They did a rather good job with it. Compared to the usual Netflix remake of stuff ateast

[feral flower]

I just did something I might regret. Bought a 4-button scene controller that has up to 5 clicks per button as well as hold and release. How can you use one like that without a huge sheet of instructions on the wall next to it?

[long snow]

Anyone know the best place to get HUE bulbs in bulk. Looking to add 15 to my house.

[feral flower]

You mean in-bulk discoount too?

[long snow]

Best Buy's current price seems the best topically, but just seeing if theres another vendor out there that specializes in bulk for hue

COuld very well be no, wouldn't surprise me

[feral flower]

They always seem to be a fixed price in the UK and not sure 15 counts as bulk, they probably only reduce for wholesale

[long snow]

Yeah I figured that would be the case

I was surprised when they didn't have a contractor pack

With all the new homes in our area advertised with smart lighting

[feral flower]

Well I think contractors probably go for a cheaper brand and some controller that normal people can't program

Hue is so accessible to the non-tech person

[rapid plinth]

I'm not a fan of smart tv and I still think the current state of things is pretty horrendous, but after fighting with HDR I see value in a video player that's inside the TV and tightly coupled to its display characteristics

[long snow]

Smart TVs are junk, all the OS's go to pot after a couple of years

On my Samsung's (one of the worst with Tizen), I just default them to the HDMI and skip all the smart features are run through my AV Receiver and Orange PI Media Box

Or just use a jailbroken firestick

[primal laurel]

Tizen and Android tv have massive ads in the main OS itself. And they put low budget CPUs in the TVs to save money

[rich sphinx]

And you pay them for the privilege of them scraping and selling your data

[rapid plinth]

That's kind of a stretch isn't it? It seems more like they're (in theory) subsidizing the display, especially with how prevalent it is on budget models

[rich sphinx]

Tbh it happens with almost every device these days. You buy the product and then they scrape and sell your data.

It's too lucrative a business model for them to ignore

[rapid plinth]

Yeah... and the ones that don't cost a bit more. Stuff would be even cheaper if companies didn't have the cancerous overhead of pandering to shareholders but such is the world we live in today

Regardless, I was just making the observation that an external device doing the media decoding introduces extra complexity and potential for breakage

And displays have become complex enough that this is turning into a problem

[rich sphinx]

Yeah, for sure

And how companies try to lock you into their approved stuff. Partly why I'm going for HA. I want us to be able to use smart radiator valves but our Nest Thermostat doesn't support them

[rapid plinth]

my TV would legitimately be more useful with a rooting and some software modifications compared to the status quo of "HDMI 2 and don't ask questions"

some stuff would actually be easier to do (mostly HDR / DV content)

[long snow]

So there is a page I found that is dedicated to rooting and reflashing samsung tvs

Have to dig through the landfill to find it, but it unfortunately wasn't applicable to my unit

[plain elbow]

You the man! 🙌
Thanks!!!!

[tidal cliff]

how would i fix the uneven margins between the top and bottom

[iron granite]

#1284965988642590891 might know

[silent dove]

@austere girder I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[rich sphinx]

Oh you what? I'm reading that the ATEM Mini can integrate with Home Assistant. Oh wow

[forest edge]

I dunno about that. parts of the story was diffidently stretched and altered to make more modren but not necessarily in a good way

not to mention if I see another voltron form sequence before I die I might just lose my mind

[solar zealot]

But the pointy ears!!!

[forest edge]

the whole "lion" thing doesn't make any sense anyways. during that whole entire series they visited a crap ton of planets and not one of them had anything like it.. like wtf lol

[solar zealot]

How did the original be in that kinda regards

[forest edge]

I don't remember but I think it was more earth based

[solar zealot]

Interesting

[austere girder]

curious if anyone can help with what I sent earlier.

[iron granite]

I guess #1284965988642590891 with the "UI/UX" tag can answer questions about accessibility helper compatibility.

[crisp oriole]

Omg. I was on my 00:00 project and i found a bug. Good night will file tomorrow

[hollow glacier]

I’ve got 🎄lights on a tree with 🎄 trees with lights on it

[solar zealot]

would this be considered a chrisms tree tree ?

[hollow glacier]

It is in my house lol

[solar zealot]

so its a smart home smart tree tree

[hollow glacier]

I made a light group of smart xmas tree ornaments

And got one synced with the tree via DDP

[solar zealot]

nice

[hollow glacier]

Thx

You lose the buzzer with wled so I might just stick to esphome firmware

[iron granite]

Imperial March as RTTTL?

[hollow glacier]

i think it's in the wiki

[hollow glacier]

it shall be

https://wiki.apolloautomation.com/products/general/piezo/ kk now it's live 😛

i remembered adding it and just realized they copied the wiki over before i made the changes so it was gonna get lost to time

https://tenor.com/YqCL.gif

[peak slate]

Rick astleys never gonna give you up as rttl

[frigid panther]

Hi, folks...at a bit of a loss. I have duckdns installed, and domain is working fine from the outside, but not encrypted. It is still http, not https. I must be missing something, but not sure what. Here is a pastebin of the log. It looks successful to me, but I must be missing something. I appreciate any help:
https://pastebin.com/V06zgstg

[static schooner]

please post in #1284966540617449515

[frigid panther]

will do. Thanks.

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/xUuzBGkHakE?si=qiy1F_ohOu08lFxf

time to send a nuke

[simple solstice]

Might be a silly quesiton

But does anyone wish Home Assistant offer high availablity cluster?

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze stop sending your drone taxi's to NY.. they don't like it. https://youtu.be/CRVDUEzWkF4?si=FSAAvnwXwmHtH6Yp

[unborn merlin]

no; try installing adguard and see how much these crap sets try and send..

[rapid plinth]

I think you misread...

[unborn merlin]

they aren't subsidizing displays with ad shit.. They're just double dipping on money. 🤷‍♂️

https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/home-entertainment/i-tested-this-free-tv-in-return-for-watching-targeted-ads-and-was-pleasantly-surprised/

here's a service that literally does that.. reviewed by someone who apparently enjoys having a webcam pointed at them in their own home/space. 😛

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/vGU59uv9h1g?si=6wyzAk-STPd7QBXl

[young sigil]

LOL, just cover the bottom screen.

= Free TV.

[unborn merlin]

pretty sure they probably have sensors in it to stop that..

[glacial knot]

I wonder if it's some technically rent agreement that prevents hardware modifications

[primal laurel]

This is some dystopian black mirror type shit that preys on poor people. How is this even legal lol

[cyan island]

Im so confused about the layout of this server now

where do i find zigbee related stuff?

[atomic delta]

#1284966617670881350

[deft pewter]

"A small downside is that Telly isn't a smart TV. "

That's (normally) a massive upside. Just not with this TV because it can still monitor you and feed you ads.

[nimble mulch]

Cover all but sensors

[frank olive]

anyone else noticed that their lights seem to be coming on with a bright white temperature rather than the usual (not so white) temp since updating to 2024.12? seemingly randomly

[neon swallow]

Is there no way getting addons working when I have HA running as a docker container?

[solar zealot]

no but you can just spin those containers up yourself

[neon swallow]

So I want to install the mosquitto broker addon.... You're telling me I can just have this addon as its own container and have it integrated that way?

[solar zealot]

The addon is just the container

The integration happens over, well the mqtt integration

[neon swallow]

Alright I gotta check how that works. Thanks

[tidal bronze]

Between The Jackal and Landman, ain't nobody got time for drones.

[gloomy canyon]

@clever mortar today I did it. swtiched from venv to container. so far I got a UI but lot of red in the log...

all the command_line has to go.. sad

[glacial bobcat]

what model is this?

Im planning on getting some Ubitiqe cameras and wanna have something similar to that

[static schooner]

Frigate

It's in the Frigate+ models: https://frigate.video/plus/

https://docs.frigate.video/configuration/objects

[glacial bobcat]

oh cool

[neon swallow]

When I want to use a zigbee stick with my home assistant and connect all my devices directly to that.... Does that work well with HA docker and mqtt5 and zigbeeToMqtt, all as docker container without supervisor? Or is that too complicated to set up properly and I should just install that superviros so I can use addons?

[static schooner]

#1284966617670881350 -> Zigbee

[grim path]

Is it possible to restore a ZHA network when I have a HA backup, is a ZHA backup included?

[primal laurel]

I don't think many people can figure out that that zigbee questions are meant for that forum

[static schooner]

It's the very first item in #find-support

this channel certainly isn't the right place

[static schooner]

you too - #1284966617670881350 -> Zigbee

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re looking for support and unsure where to go, check out https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 - it should help you find where you are going. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[primal laurel]

We had a channel for zigbee

[red rock]

Hey congrats on your thesis

[primal laurel]

Thanks 🙏

[quiet mantle]

Hello I’m new to home assistant 👋🏻

[rapid jackal]

Hi guys, this is my central heating unit. Seems like it doesn't have an EMS bus or alike. Wwyd to make this smart? I only have floor heating

[young sigil]

No support here. Read the channel topic. Try #the-workshop or #1284966353798697001 with the recommendations tag.

[rapid jackal]

Tnx

[green carbon]

not HA support, but just a general question i guess. I am about to have floor heating and ceiling A/C. What do you do with the floor vents when it gets hotter outside? Do you shut them? I have 2 dogs so i am wondering if i should shut them so their hair doesn't find its way into the vents.

[green carbon]

Nvm i found the solution
https://amzn.to/3OLJPFi
https://amzn.to/4fp1Owp

[crisp oriole]

Vacation.

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/work-gif-9070352192415256659

[mellow cairn]

I have now got the option to go with FTTP so I'm looking at plans to upgrade to. The one I have found has the option for £5/mo (£60) for a cheap TP-Link router I think it is a Archer VR1210v . (only wifi 5). They give the option to not get a router and use your own would something like this https://www.mercusys.com/en/product/details/mr60x for only £28 be better?

[fading breach]

I want to ask a question about developing addons, especially the configuration option 'map'. What's the correct channel to ask this?

[clever mortar]

Head to id:customize and pick the developer options, then you'll see #1257019582112334014

Do read https://developers.home-assistant.io/docs/add-ons though

[forest edge]

never even heard of mercusys but then i'm not in europe either.

[mellow cairn]

I haven't either. they are just the cheapest option for the local technology shop. It is more so just an exmple... is the £5/mo for the VR1210v worth avoiding and going with something else cheaper and better?

[forest edge]

anything is better than a monthly fee imo

[mellow cairn]

the monthly fee just equates to £60 for the 12month

[forest edge]

are you restricted on what you can use?

[mellow cairn]

no, they say select on, they give two options at high 6ppm and low 5ppm price. then at the bottom it says you can use your own

[glacial knot]

the Archer VR1210v is a VDSL2 modem

[forest edge]

if all you need is just a router than for commercial products I rather like the asus one I bought for my moms place. I personally run opnsense here tho

[glacial knot]

which is weird for FTTB/FTTP

[mellow cairn]

what is the cheapest option that will do the job? aren't the asus ones more than £60

yeah, I guess they provide that router for their vdsl service too

[forest edge]

I paid $40(us) for mine, it's a rt-ax55

[clever mortar]

What kind of bandwidth? What WiFi devices? Why are you cheaping out?

[mellow cairn]

bargin

[forest edge]

ouch lol

oh crap

[mellow cairn]

either their 900 or 550 plan

[clever mortar]

Cheap/low end routers may not perform well

[forest edge]

they have gone up lmao

[glacial knot]

£ issues

[clever mortar]

Spend a little money and save yourself a lot of pain

[forest edge]

still like asus tho. love the ui in with the features

[mellow cairn]

i don't need super wifi, just for my phone... I am wan't to cheap out on the router to afford the best internet plan... i don't want it to affect performance tho hence why im asking here

[mellow cairn]

i have time... not money

[clever mortar]

They're not bad - though my Asus Zen WiFi units refuse to stay on the fixed channels they're configured to use

[glacial knot]

the question is the size of your place as well
you might get crappy wifi on the cheap stuff.

but yea, the 24£ one looks better than the 5£/m IMO

[forest edge]

I saw a video on that zen stuff.. was talking about issues as well

[clever mortar]

Sadly when I bought them it wasn't a known problem

Oh well

[mellow cairn]

the £28 mercusys one i linked?

[forest edge]

mesh in itself is finicky regardless imo

[glacial knot]

At least by datasheet, yea
No idea about other qualities

[clever mortar]

Yeah, I ended up setting them up as two stand-alone APs, just both are wired. The mesh bit was ... underwhelming

[glacial knot]

I kinda want https://www.tp-link.com/en/business-networking/omada-wifi-wifi7/eap783/ but can't quite justify the price

[mellow cairn]

what is the pain i should anticipate? Is setting up your own router with an ISP difficult?

[forest edge]

I've watched a few videos on issues with that omada as well

[mellow cairn]

Then you can stream 8k videos at 2x on all your wifi7 devices at once!

[forest edge]

super cheap routers usually work fine right out of the gate but then will start to die in a very slow manor.. you'll experince issues and won't even associate as it being a hardware issue at first till become very obvious

the pain is just dealing with those issues.. starts out being annoying, then reboots and then more reboots lol older cheaper linksys routers was always hair pulling

[mellow cairn]

🤔 but at half the price i could just buy a second one 😂 . I'm inclined to buy one and give it a try instead of paying monthly to overpay for the cheap tp-link one.

or i could just get the one they offer... for less

[forest edge]

there you go.. since I never heard of the other one you mentioned I would auto lean toward the tp one lol

[mellow cairn]

oh, wait. it is only wifi5

[forest edge]

what do you need?

[mellow cairn]

well, the other one is wifi 6. I don't really need great wifi, but it'd be nice to have

[forest edge]

wifi 5 in 5ghz can do 6gbps

[glacial knot]

in the lab 😂

[forest edge]

yea but real world won't be far enough lower to really matter

[forest edge]

that 867 doesn't sound right lol

[glacial knot]

80MHz 2 Streams. Very realistic

contrary to something that only exists on 160MHz 7+ streams 😂

[forest edge]

how fast is your FTTP?

funny thing that 867mbps is about what I reach on my good ole plain cat 5 (not e) lol

[mellow cairn]

only 1g max but I'm more concerned with the routing performance, not wifi... i feel like the basic tplink one will be designed for lower speeds than one designed to handle wifi 6 speeds?

[forest edge]

if you want cheap.. you get cheap

[glacial knot]

well, yea. But the cat5 does it sustained, while Wifi still has to deal with MAC in some CSMA/CA P variant

[mellow cairn]

if not the mercusys ones, what is the best option if i splurge 😆 and spend £41.46 (VR1210v price)

[deft pewter]

Which ISP is this? Just so I can avoid the scummy practise of renting you a router.

[mellow cairn]

I think all of them... most just don't give you the option not to.

[deft pewter]

I've yet to encounter a UK-based ISP that didn't include the router in the package price. Even an 'installation fee' is fairly rare.

[mellow cairn]

if you look i the contract they just discount the price to £0. then say you can keep it... if you try to cancel early they will charge you for the router

[deft pewter]

Hmm. Maybe it's the discount. I've never paid for one.

[mellow cairn]

Well, you pay for it in a round about way in the contract price

[deft pewter]

Sure. But these silly add-on fees are like all the fees airlines used to add before the UK regulated the crap out of that and forced them to be more transparent.

Feels like a step backwards, is all

[mellow cairn]

I prefer a lower base fee and optional addons, instead of a high price or nothing.

then you can at least do what i'm thinking of doing and going with cheaper options where possible

I agree hidden fees are bad though... especially the 1 month free this and that then well secretly start charging you without you noticing.

[deft pewter]

Hah, yeah. Free trials of 'internet security' every time 😄

[mellow cairn]

I even had them verbally agree that I won't be charged, when I said I don't want it... then low and behold...

I was on it and got my money back though, fortunalty

[frigid panther]

Question about thermostats. I have an ecobee thermostat, and although I like it, I see that they have stopped issuing API keys, and so I can't pull that into Home Assistant easily. I'm considering changing thermostats for this reason. Does anyone care to share what brand thermostats they are using which play well with Home Assistant?

[lone dagger]

#the-workshop or #home-and-garden may be able to help you more! 😄

[frigid panther]

Thanks, Missy. I'll ask over there.

[forest edge]

putting on my detective hat this morning

who knew calling city hall at 8am would be so boring

[unborn merlin]

freedom; duh.

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[primal laurel]

Freedom? But for who. Mostly for the corpos it seems

[unborn merlin]

your personal information; for the corporations of course.

can you imagine if they had to go on a personal information diet?

[forest edge]

i'll gladly trade the amount of times I pass gas for free stuff

[unborn merlin]

a week in the usa: your insurance has figured out this is some obscure condition and a reason to deny you coverage. /s

[forest edge]

only if caused by eating certain imported foods

[smoky inlet]

evening all, tiny question: would this be a good approach to set the mqtt_topic for an entity in a script? i tried .name but i get an error that no name is available.

variables:
entity_id: "{{ light_entity }}"
mqtt_topic: "zigbee2mqtt/{{ entity_id.split('.')[1] }}/set"

[static schooner]

I'm not sure what you're doing, bit your question belongs in #1284980040940912641

[smoky inlet]

okay thank you

@static schooner im defining a light entity in a field, i want to use mqtt.publish on said entity but the mqtt topic doesn't work with the light. prefix.

i'll post in automations :)

[vivid berry]

Anyone using the eclipse-mosquitto container on Unraid?

[grizzled gull]

uhhh let me check which one I'm runnning

my lord I just realized I'm running a MQTT container that hasn't been updated in 5 years 4.5 years, still works...

[vivid berry]

lol, well that bodes well for whichever container I choose.

[grizzled gull]

I'm running https://registry.hub.docker.com/r/spants/mqtt/

but yeah its not been updated, I do wonder whats been changed in the last 4.5 years lol

going to switcdh over the correct container 🙂

[vivid berry]

Are you switching to the official one?

[grizzled gull]

Going to look at it real quick

[tidal bronze]

City hall? Do you guys have those? Is it really needed?

[lucid atlas]

🥴

[forest edge]

you have them too. don't you remember yours busted a water pipe casuing rubble and a waterfall to land on people below lmao

[simple solstice]

I'm curious did anyone ever get automation to work to flash lights when phone gets text message?

[ocean oar]

I have an automation that turns on the path lights outside if it's dark when my phone gets a notification saying my uber eats order is on the way, does that count?

[deft pewter]

Yes, at least one person did.

[simple solstice]

Heck yes!! THat's what I'm trying to get it to work! except I"m trying to do it with phone text message. I'm not entirely sure why it doesn't work. I"m gonna start a post

[ocean oar]

Make the post, then I'll drop you my automation code

[tidal bronze]

I like how you roll. I do it by CID to turn on front lights

[crisp oriole]

Yes moved from ollama to google AI for my voicemail call screening. now my laptop does not has to be on.

[vivid berry]

I switched to the official one. Everything seems to be working fine for me. Just required creating a config file and setting up passwd.

[grizzled gull]

I'm trying to do the same, but distracted, can't get the password file to create, and the config file did you just make a blank one in the config directory??

[primal laurel]

more dust cleaning!

[vivid berry]

Here is a config template: https://github.com/eclipse-mosquitto/mosquitto/blob/master/mosquitto.conf

This is the command for generated the password file: mosquitto_passwd

[grizzled gull]

so I must be reading somethign old that says to put a password.txt file in

[vivid berry]

Yeah, I read that somewhere too.

No need to do that.

It'll generate it itself.

[lone dagger]

JWST is going to release a high res image of the Firefly Sparkle galaxy!

https://tenor.com/view/portals-portal-space-gif-4741395

[static schooner]

ChatGPT, please generate generate an image of the Firefly Sparkle galaxy
There, saved you $$$$ 🙂

Science is so easy these days

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-lion-king-simba-rafiki-throw-gif-16194362

[primal laurel]

nice! I'm cleaning up some of the images

ok it does more than cleaning up

if you remove all the dust and gas there is actually stuff hiding behind it

[primal laurel]

some people actually do more or less this. And they still get published, the bar is so low

[static schooner]

Looks like jellyfish

[primal laurel]

it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartwheel_Galaxy

crazy image

[static schooner]

Speaking of fake images, Fly me to the Moon (movie on AppleTV+) is amusing about filming the moon landing

I recommend it

[primal laurel]

fake images?

[static schooner]

#the-water-cooler message

not yours

[primal laurel]

some people do call space telescope images fake, because they mostly consist of infrared measurements

[static schooner]

usually the colors are manufactured for humans

[primal laurel]

yes indeed. Then I always think, are our eyes the 'truth'? Some animals can see infrared.

and even among humans there are large differences!

[static schooner]

that's quite the rabbithole to go down 🙂

[primal laurel]

I tend to do that

[static schooner]

there are similar prolonged debates about regular camera sensors

[lone dagger]

Phone cameras are constantly editing things.

[static schooner]

and what images are "processed" and which are not (spoiler: they're literally all processed)

[deft pewter]

This drives me nuts. My phone used to take decent photos until a software update added 'enhancements' that can't be disabled.

[static schooner]

the most egregious was the replacement of the moon by Samsung

yo dawg, I hear you like hires moon pics...

[primal laurel]

I was just about to type that

that's an... interesting application of 'AI'

[lone dagger]

Seeing the color differences between the "close up image" mode and when you turn it off for close up images is crazy. I do this when I take photos of my nails, because the close up mode changes the colors.

[primal laurel]

cleaned up the rings of uranus

damn what a sentence

[deft pewter]

What annoys me is the fake HDR effect mine applies. Like, you can see it change a moment after the image is captured. I wouldn't mind so much if it were optional.

AI is just... shit.

[lone dagger]

Are you comfortable with me pinning that for the lolz?

[primal laurel]

for me I think it depends a bit on how it's used. Some AI (machine learning) algorithms simply improve signal to noise ratios using techniques you can't program by hand. Others go to far and start filling in stuff which is not there in reality (generative algorithms tend to do that)

[primal laurel]

lol sure

[grizzled gull]

I'm to lazy for my own good, mqtt password is being a pain, for now I'm going anonymous, if someone wants to hack my network and turn lights off and on tonight, have fun!

[lone dagger]

Straight up just had a recruiter reach out to me for a CM role at a company almost a year to the date since she last tried to recruit me and then ghosted me. She basically posted the same copy/paste recruitment message, no acknowledgement of last year. I blocked her.

[primal laurel]

I got a message which started with "Hi {firstName} {lastName}!" once

[lone dagger]

Yep, I've had those before.

They are only getting worse with the AI shit, too.

[crisp oriole]

I call headquarters of terible recruiters. Get someone important And let them read my linkedin profile.

Already collected atleast 50 euro for a funds for children with disabilities in development countries this year.

[lone dagger]

I love all of this. 😂

[forest edge]

ai taking over recruiting messages

[crisp oriole]

If i had the money i would pay for premium and throw in AI reply messages

[forest edge]

apparently the company using them cannot be held liable for anything it says so why not? better than a person who the company would be responsible for lol

[crisp oriole]

Omg a beauty company send a stress survey to its employers and fired everyone who was stressed

[deft pewter]

I thought this was satire. After seeing part of the email from HR, I'm still not sure it's not satire 😂

To ensure that no one remains stressed at work, we have made the difficult decision to part ways with employees who indicated significant stress.

[crisp oriole]

Btw @lone dagger who more is in the breakthings group. (Not that im intressed)

[deft pewter]

The beatings will continue until morale improves

[crisp oriole]

The linked in post i got it from also tought that at first.

[primal laurel]

here's my favourite planet

[crisp oriole]

1/10 breathtaking atmosphere

[primal laurel]

1/10 had permanently cold feet

[lone dagger]

LMAO It was created as a troll for Bill when I revamped the server, and now it's kind of turned into a meme with Frenck.

I don't know when it was added or who did it to me.
-# I could look it up, but this is funnier.

[crisp oriole]

There is a prutser (some one who knows nothing and act stupid on technical things) tag on tweakers.net you cant get removed.

Oh. I thought need to go to bed.

But i have vacation.

[lone dagger]

Y'all stay up way too late for me over there. I am asleep before 10pm.

[crisp oriole]

Do you need to be tugged in?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-tug-of-war-pull-gif-18992018

tugged?

[crisp oriole]

Ah

Tucked

I want to improve my english can i be your fiend?

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-raccoon-morning-gif-20612330

[lone dagger]

lol

Don't worry, English is hard for native speakers, too.

[crisp oriole]

Anytime you say am/pm my brain goes after nightmare/post motum

[lone dagger]

I could do 22:00 but then I have to do math.

[ocean oar]

To be fair, it is a ridiculous language

[lone dagger]

Math sucks.

[ocean oar]

The one I love is how few people are prepared for the NATO phonetic alphabet in real life

I've read enough serial numbers out over the phone to tech support to just rattle it off

[lone dagger]

I had to learn that working as phone support.

[ocean oar]

But some people don't seem to be able to keep up

[keen bridge]

My problem with the NATO alphabet is it changes between languages.

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

We choose to ignore this.

[keen bridge]

I used to have a triangular folded card on my desk next to my phone at work with German French and Italian sides (I'd memorised English), when I had to add Spanish I got cranky.

[static schooner]

E as in Igor

[ocean oar]

P as in Pterodactyl

[primal laurel]

yes, us non-naive speakers sometimes confuse words that look identical

[crisp oriole]

F as philip

[lone dagger]

Young Frankenstein makes it so that I read this as eye-gor first.

[primal laurel]

NO. Don't you dare

[keen bridge]

It's ok, we all know maths rocks

[primal laurel]

good

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-leslie-knope-math-worthless-irl-gif-5081933

[lone dagger]

No one uses math at all.

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-raccoonfly-kouenren-gif-22758629

[lone dagger]

GenAI does it all for us now.

[static schooner]

well, nerds do

[crisp oriole]

Not it you can count to 23:59

[lone dagger]

I never have to count how many letter r's are in the word strawberry manually again.

[static schooner]

it's a surprise every time!

[lone dagger]

I can count to 10!

[primal laurel]

this is probably very boring for most people but if you have an hour to spare and you're curious how you can actually use AI in math https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e049IoFBnLA

[crisp oriole]

Is there a boring blog i can read?

[deft pewter]

Is that in base 10 or base 10?

[lone dagger]

Yes.

[primal laurel]

yeah, he has a blog https://terrytao.wordpress.com/tag/artificial-intelligence/

[iron granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ccGjar4Es

[ember heart]

"I'll have 4000 tacos, and a diet coke." 😁😂🤣

(for those of you not familiar with this classic from Psychostick:)
https://youtu.be/k3tcQI5EEiA?si=OQPnGtlv5dbUfZj7

[crisp oriole]

Crap internet is down. Just after a 6 monthy note the inet is working all fine from my isp

[ember heart]

I actually have an automation that watches for loss of ping and does a power cycle of the router and pon for my AT&T fiber 😛

it has to kick off about once every 30/40 days more or less

[rich epoch]

just attempted adding a plex media player card to my view and wanted to add it on a conditional card and ran into the issue that you can't set conditions on attributes the way you can in an automation condition. 😦

Example of what I wanted the condition to be:

condition: state
entity_id: media_player.family_room_tv
attribute: source
state: Plex - Free Movies & TV

[iron granite]

#1284965988642590891 might be able to help

Here are raccoons and Uranus

[rich epoch]

I don't think this is possible right now, but I saw somewhere we can add suggestions for the month... You know where I can?

[iron granite]

Month of WTH is on the HA forums.

[rich sphinx]

Well... I have to sit down and design my own custom watch face...

[rich epoch]

this?
https://community.home-assistant.io/c/month-of-what-the-heck/61

have never submitted a request before... 😅

[fathom sparrow]

search before making a wth

[rich epoch]

I found a suggestion that I love and someone responded that you already can...
Make the coding window larger in the dashboard code editor...

I do not however have any idea what this means "Have you tried tapping on a window title?"

I've double clicked and clicked on everything that I can think of that makes any sense at all and nothing. 😦

[iron granite]

If you have a details window or a card editor for example, just click on the title besides the closing X.

[rich epoch]

on windows?

that does nothing while editing cards on the dashboard in code editor for me

[iron granite]

On Android it already uses the whole space, but in a browser it does.

[rich epoch]

well... no clue then why it doesn't work for me :\

[iron granite]

#1284965988642590891 might know

[rich epoch]

oh, I got it working! It apparently needs a min screen width to work.

Thanks for helping me get there!

[crude wharf]

Probably shouldn't be here but was wondering, is it normal the ZigBee integration page categorize it as local polling? I taught it was local push.

[mystic cypress]

It depends on the device. Some devices mostly need to be polled for their state (like lights, as you can't configure attribute reporting for color_mode and most lights report XY + color temp simultaneously).
Sensors on the other hand only really push and are never polled. I guess the docs could be changed.

The ZHA docs are also inaccurate for other things (like database_path being marked as "required"). I really hope to find the time to update ZHA HA docs and all our GitHub repo docs + wikis at some point..

[forest edge]

wtf

are there cars with sensors that detect type of fuel? lol

i know it's refering to tank volume

the fuel part throws me off from thinking this must be electric car sensors

[solar zealot]

fuel: none

or more likely its a hybrid

[simple gazelle]

Well, I know in some performance applications you have an ethanol sensor, so you can fiddle with engine settings to get the most out of whatever you have going through the tube.

[tiny meadow]

Hey, quick frigate question. Im running lates Frigate stable version and my Reolink doorbell just got working. Two way audio setup through go2rtc running in the frigate container. However after using the two way communication iver webrtc through home assistant frigate dies because the 1gb /dev/shm volume is suddenly full. Does the two way audio somehow require much larger volume for this to work?

[clever mortar]

You'll likely get a better answer in #1284966353798697001 where the Frigate devs hang out

[rich sphinx]

Hmm, I wonder if there's a Home Assistant complication for wearOS

or maybe even a full blown Home Assistant watch face

Hmm... query... does Home Assistant accept outside contributions for their Android repo? Say if I added a new feature to it

[clever mortar]

Did you check the companion docs?

[rich sphinx]

Wow... I really need to learn to RTFM...

[clever mortar]

Most people don't know the docs exist

Even HA's own docs seem to fly past most 😄

[rich sphinx]

Worst bit is, I think I had the page open when I asked that

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/box-of-shame-box-shame-gif-5716656840447945106

[rich sphinx]

yeah, I done goofed there

but there is something I'd like to add to it if I can, but I will need to learn to code

[crisp oriole]

Sigh typical daft dutch. Wanted to go to bed. And 10 min before that internet went down. And i just migrated my voice assists to nabu casa and google AI.

Instead of switching back to the old assist. I spended an hour making all my assists switch between dutch english and online and offline.

[primal laurel]

your mistake was replacing ollama by openAI

[lean dragon]

I've had a lot of issues with various zigbee devices, most from the IKEA range but also some from Centralite, becoming unavailable and having other issues.

What are some of your favorite temperature sensors or remotes that have reliable connections? Zigbee, Zwave, or Matter are fine.

[primal laurel]

xiaomi stuff works well

[clever mortar]

Xiaomi are great, as long as you follow the pairing guidance pinned in #zigbee-archived

[forest edge]

xiaomi stuff makes my skin itch

[weary bone]

What’s the word on the street regarding zigbee hubs? What brands are reliable?

[forest edge]

there are zigbee dealers on the street? this i gotta see

[clever mortar]

None of them

Buy a Zigbee coordinator - see the pins in #zigbee-archived

[halcyon magnet]

The xiaomi zigbee sensors seem to work really well and stay connected, but getting them connected can be a pain. I had to swap my coordinator and two days later I'm down to one door sensor still falling off

[clever mortar]

You have to pair them directly to a nearby router, don't let them pick

[forest edge]

should see how thier cars pair

[austere anchor]

Do you mean you manually switched each pipeline? Or is there an API I missed that can automate that?

[crisp oriole]

Manually set each pipeline. There is no change default pipeline automation

[austere anchor]

I was wondering because I generally run my system on low wattage machines, but I do plan to get a new gaming rig soon, so I’ve been looking for ways to have HASS route to the GPU rig with better models and then fall back to lower quality CPU ones or ChatGPT or something.

I can probably set up a proxy in front of the Wyoming services and then have it use the GPU as primary and failover to a CPU server, but I don’t see a way to gracefully swap LLM.

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcvLKldPM08

[clever solstice]

what are people using to monitor chemical levels in their pools? i came across the ondilo ico v2 device, but it requires their cloud which i'm not keen on

[tidal bronze]

Good start.
https://atlas-scientific.com/kits/wi-fi-pool-kit/

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/swimming-pool-chemical-dispenser/205561?page=5

[clever solstice]

interesting. do you just run it inline like this?

this is a little bit over my head, but i'm willing to dive into it.

[weary bone]

And the coordinators are like the hue hubs? Just want to make sure I’m understanding the lingo

[dense bramble]

Hey guys, is it possible to view an entity's current state/value when browsing settings -> devices -> entities? Also... would be nice if there was a "copy" button before each of the entity IDs..

[weary bone]

Never mind on this. Reading the pins

[lone dagger]

That would be nice on that page, it's currently hidden in the entity's settings. There isn't a way to view state, though. I went to check because I like the idea. 😄

[dense bramble]

The settings don't currently have an "state/value" option.. 😉 or did I misunderstood

[lone dagger]

We may be talking about different settings pages.

I am talking about the settings cog when you look at an entity.

[dense bramble]

I was refering to the "gear" above the entities table

[clever solstice]

also, does this require thingspeak? and is the thingspeak free license permanent? a little new to this area

[dense bramble]

(a natural place to look for that kind of thing)

[lone dagger]

Ah, yep, that is where you would expect to see that option there and we don't have it.

But if you click on an entity itself, and then the cog at the top of that popup, that is where you can copy the entity name easiest. I absolutely agree that is a little clunky.

[tidal bronze]

You can do local. Long thread but go through it.

[dense bramble]

@lone dagger maybe "current state/value" and "copy shortcut" would be perfect settings for the "gear" on the table.

[fathom sparrow]

developer tools -> states page has the info you're looking for

you can directly copy the enitty_id from it too

[simple solstice]

I want to ask a gneral question as i'm it confused on what it needs to be done. So I have a Supervised HAOS and I want to add Pandora to control music and pass it to google minis. So As I read the requirements. It must be on HA Core. So... I plan to set up with Proxmox. Is it possible to still use HAOS Supervised and create another vm to instal pianobar is what it is asking for?

[fathom sparrow]

HA and piano bar need to be running from the same OS

no matter how you look at it, it's not possible with supervised, container, or HAOS

[lone dagger]

But then you have to know to install the dev tools.

Or, rather, know to install them.

[fathom sparrow]

they are installed by default?

do you mean enable them?

[lone dagger]

Ah, yes, I do indeed.

Lol.

[static schooner]

what do you mean by "enable" them?

they're right there on the sidebar

and the "states" table used to be the default, but it was moved a couple of years ago

[fathom sparrow]

they are hidden behind advanced mode on the user

[static schooner]

oh

[fathom sparrow]

ya

[static schooner]

random shit

add it to the list

[clear ferry]

"advanced"

Aka "normal"

[static schooner]

see, this is why I shouldn't be writing any documentation

[clear ferry]

I write it, but I blatantly tell the users they are useless

[static schooner]

I've been pointing people to that forever and I can't remember anyone saying it wasn't there

I'm gonna go out on a limb (again) and say that the owner/admin should have "Advanced" mode enabled by default

[clear ferry]

Don't you dare tell the devs something sensible Sir!

[lone dagger]

LIKE I SAID EARLIER lmaooooo

[glacial knot]

The users or the docs?

[lone dagger]

[crisp oriole]

great i can start movies with voice control. works great.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge do you use Starbucks as well?

[forest edge]

I take it when you made the statement of treating your body like a temple that excluded your mind? How the hell are you so forgetful!? you posted this already lol

Need to get some good midwestern food in you, it may help repair some of the damage being done in that head of yours from whatever the hell you are eating lol

[crisp oriole]

a great

daft@Blue-mage:~/bin$ ./location_update2.sh 
{"entity_id":"device_tracker.blue_mage_2","state":"Amsterdam Centrum","attributes":{"latitude":52.374,"longitude":4.8897,"gps_accuracy":50,"city":"Amsterdam","country":"NL"},"last_changed":"2024-12-11T00:28:23.125892+00:00","last_reported":"2024-12-11T00:28:23.125892+00:00","last_updated":"2024-12-11T00:28:23.125892+00:00","context":{"id":"01JESHVV6N1G6TF527VCK6YWPB","parent_id":null,"user_id":"06df6267d7c841fca2a6f2c4e3b39987"}}Location updated for device_tracker.blue_mage_2 to Amsterdam Centrum zone (52.3740, 4.8897).

[young sigil]

You just doxed your own location.

[tidal bronze]

I am sorry, 8:45 AM was too early I guess.

[forest edge]

it's ok. you come on over and we'll get the right kind of food in you to get that brain inside that temple as well. 😉

[lone dagger]

Is it doxxing if you do it yourself?

[crisp oriole]

I have a vpn

[tidal bronze]

Just finished making some Szechuan peppercorn eggplant. Will it be good as this?

[lone dagger]

Probably not.

[forest edge]

no it will actually be editable

[tidal bronze]

From all my travels I can't seem to remember anything edible from middle earth

Perhaps one day, you can take me on a food tour.

[static schooner]

I'll bet that MO has Panda Express

[tidal bronze]

I asked him and he said Texas Roadhouse.

[forest edge]

we do

I do not eat there tho

fast food chinese is gross

[static schooner]

I tried it once and it was not good

there was like no panda meat in mine

bad value

[tidal bronze]

Panda is served before 11AM

[static schooner]

we have 2 pandas here now, so I'm looking forward to seeing more panda recipes

[tidal bronze]

Wife was super excited wants to come and see them. Far easier than taking her to Chengdu 😃 all the time.

[static schooner]

I have a bunch of pics from the pair that were here maybe 10 years ago

gotta wait for the fuss to wear off before standing in line

[tidal bronze]

Told her the same, give it sometime

[static schooner]

looks like it was 2010:

folks were kinda herded through and it was hard to stop, stay still, and take a good picture

[tidal bronze]

Best is when they fall off trees while sleeping 😅

[forest edge]

wonder what that thing taste like BBQ'd

[static schooner]

oops, the first one is actually from Atlanta in 2007

[crisp oriole]

with all our effored the panda will be the last species dieing out i guess.

[static schooner]

it's kinda cool that I can just search for "pandas" in Apple Photos and it finds them without any tagging or anything

[forest edge]

or creepy

[crisp oriole]

google photos too.

[forest edge]

yea android does it too

[crisp oriole]

even my nextcloud does it. but that adds tags

[forest edge]

I get daily "remember this" from my gallery which at first is like "that's cool" then you realize.. wait a min..

[crisp oriole]

O yeah. Im trying to get rid of google.

no more google assist on my phone for handfree calls and stuff. and moving to nextcloud

[forest edge]

i've given up being concerned about what data the government or some company decides to leech off me

[tidal bronze]

I like photo prism

Not perfect but better than most I tried.

[tidal bronze]

I will gladly send all mine in a external drive

Oh wow, BTC is up there. ❤️

[forest edge]

you haven't even sent me your old nuc's etc yet.. don't give me that bs lol

[tidal bronze]

I gotta ship it out from Delaware

[forest edge]

haha that reminded me of my friend in NJ's wife and how she pronounced water

https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/rzNEGAamTqn4gebdblrAO7qLc-I=/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-pmn/public/VT4DPKEBFNETTLMCC5R56IURZU.png

[tidal bronze]

LLC heaven

[latent stump]

Can anyone comment on Innr bulbs ability to transition over minutes from white to red?
My IKEA bulbs do not support 10 minute transitions and transitions from white to red go through green

[rare patrol]

decided to look at the analytics

so who was it that managed to only install half of hassOS & get it running on November 12 this year

[red rock]

LOL

[forest edge]

10 minute transitions? may I ask what the point of that would be?

[latent stump]

Using the adaptive lighting integration, I have hue bulbs set to 1% red during sleep mode

At 5:50, they turn on (at 1% red) and do a 10 minute transition to warm white

[ocean oar]

I have a 25 minute transition on mine in the morning.
They turn on at 1%/1500K 30 minutes before the time my phone's alarm is set for, and fade up to 100%/3250K

[forest edge]

how does that transition between rgb and ww suppose to be smooth tho?

not messed too much with the third reality bulbs I currently have but my older magic home bulbs there was no way to do that

upgrading reolink cameras remotely is boring

[ocean oar]

Don't have RGB bulbs in the bedroom

Just cool-warm model

[forest edge]

disjay was saying from red to ww

my magic home bulbs couldn't operate in both modes at same time, don't think my third reality ones can either

[ocean oar]

Tbh 1500K or whatever the bottom of the warm white is should be mostly red. Unless you're one of those people who insists on mimicking dawn so closely it has to start at blue and fade into red, would probably start there

I know there are pretty big differences in how low the Kelvin figure goes between brands though

[forest edge]

sounds like just leaving the curtains open the night before would make things easier lol

oh I keep forgetting some people don't get sunlight

[latent stump]

Which bulbs?

[latent stump]

The sunrise time changes throughout the year. It’s too late in the winter, and too early in the summer (so I use blackout blinds)

[glacial knot]

wants to look into smart blind motors. At least for summer

[ocean oar]

Lifx "day & dusk", in this particular case

[solar zealot]

look into smart blind motors
can see them, therfore not blind

[glacial knot]

[iron granite]

But do the motors see you? Maybe they are blind.

[solar zealot]

[scarlet mantle]

Hello All. Bit of a complex one. I have Frigate and HA installed in docker containers. Everything is working great, I've configured MQTT (in another docker container) and have HA and Frigate publishing to MQTT. Now I want to integrate Frigate into HA but when I go to Settings->Integrations->Add, "frigate" is not an option. (I know this is probably because I'm running HA in a docker container, but I'm hoping there is still a way to integrate the two?)

[solar zealot]

https://docs.frigate.video/integrations/home-assistant/
the integration can be obtained through hacs

[scarlet mantle]

@solar zealot Thanks, just checking: Is it possible to install HACS even though HA is running insider a docker container?

[solar zealot]

yes. the only feature unavailable on non haos are addons but not integrations

[scarlet mantle]

okay cool. Let me go down that road 😉 Cheers.

[solar zealot]

https://www.hacs.xyz/docs/use/ make sure to follow the steps closely

[scarlet mantle]

@solar zealot thanks! Got it working!

[static schooner]

That's a question for #1284966353798697001 -> Yellow

[lavish spear]

Estimates on how long a 2GB backup will take to restore?

[lone dagger]

However fast the writing speed is on the card you're writing it to.

Low end cards will be slower than higher end.

(In general)

[lavish spear]

VM running on nvme

[grizzled gull]

@lone dagger I'm reading a post you entered about Android not having family controls, its does, I shut my kids phone down all the time(yes I know its a random comment sorry)

[lavish spear]

Still seems to be taking 6+ hours 😦

[primal laurel]

have you tried accessing the frontend? Also try reloading your webpage

[frigid mirage]

Just got a bunch of esp32-c3 mini's, didn't realise how mini they are 😅

[static schooner]

Looks like it's approx the size of the chip + the USB connector + pads

[frigid mirage]

Yeh, I underestimated and bought enclosures twice the size lol

[pearl lagoon]

They really aught to come with a magnified glass 😛

[static schooner]

I wonder if they could save even more space by having the USB connector hang off some wires connected to pins on the board

[lavish spear]

I'm doing it through the frontend

[frigid mirage]

I think RacerDelux shout wouldn't be a bad idea if that was the case lol

[lavish spear]

When I refresh the browser it goes back to the initial setup screen

[primal laurel]

then it failed

[lavish spear]

Any way to see failure cause?

Is using the backend better?

[primal laurel]

make a thread in #1284966540617449515 , there is no support here

[pearl lagoon]

I mean, why not try to integrate it directly into the USB connector at this point?

[lone dagger]

tbf I left Android for Apple 5 years ago.

Too little too late.

[lavish spear]

omg i think it was the password. it didn't prompt for one. luckily the CLI does

well there goes a wasted day

wonder if i should submit a bug around that. i assume i can't be the only one where, if i select no password, and it doesn't say there is one, i assume it doesn't have one?

[lone dagger]

You probably aren't. If you are comfortable opening a bug on GitHub, the worst thing that happens is you're told "by design". (Though...not a great design, it would end up being a feature request at that point.)

[lavish spear]

cool, will do. still have time with this 2GB processing 🙂

[lone dagger]

The struggle is real.

[primal laurel]

btw just checking but you used the built in backup password feature?

[lavish spear]

yup

the front end version has a pop-up prompt for password, but i didn't recall using one, so i left it blank. and it obviously did nothing...

the back end says "Error: invalid password..." thankfully

[primal laurel]

ok odd. Seems like an issue then, although this should be very common so im not sure why you run into it

[lavish spear]

only a full day wasted 🫠

[primal laurel]

ah okay so the issue is no feedback?

[lone dagger]

Yeah, frontend didn't give the error.

[lavish spear]

correct

[primal laurel]

for what it's worth. I haven't had to restore a backup in the past 5 years

[lone dagger]

It could very well be it's designed like this, lol.

[lavish spear]

in a way, that's part of the challenge... if i had to do this again in a week i'd know, but if i next do it in a year i'll forget that it doesn't give an error for needing a password

[glass valve]

Hey. I want to Share a AI ChatBot for Home Assistent and like to get external Feedback. Can I share my post with an admin?

[lone dagger]

Toss it in #1284960456880029707! That's what it's for.

[glass valve]

It’s okay if I add a referral link to help me out a little? 🙂

[lone dagger]

If there is tracking at the end of the URL, I would ask that it be removed - the community has an expectation of their privacy being respected and we try to not allow tracking URLs for that reason. But if it's just a regular link to push out to where you content is, should be fine. 🙂

If you are super worried about posting, you can DM me the content and we can chat before you post. :3

[lavish spear]

https://github.com/home-assistant/frontend/issues/23263

wow, the restore only took 20 mins. my 2 attempts waiting 6 hours yesterday are so painful

[lone dagger]

Kind of reminds me how I felt when the forums took a massive shit on all of us at the beginning of the month and I was trying to give colleagues admin access.

It was so painful. 40 minutes of trying to get profiles to load to edit.

[glass valve]

Done ✔️ please check it out my new post 🤓

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/scares-me-i-fear-no-man-gif-21507033

@clear ferry

Exporting 1500MWh I believe at the moment 🤣 the extra oil fired station we have is on standby

[primal laurel]

no wind?

[last cedar]

Not sure actually, I have about -8C here and it is very still

I have fixed price anyway, so I really don't care

Going to sort myself solar panels and battery so I can avoid the very high fixed price during the summer (relative to hourly) and avoid the super high peaks during the winter (as it is now) (from having fixed, not from having solar)

[lavish spear]

if i edit entries in .storage/core.config_entries while HA frontend is running, does it overwrite them? got lots of IP address changes to fix 😦

[static schooner]

yes. you need to stop HA if you want to mess around in there

[primal laurel]

many people are doing this now. That's why the market for energy management systems is exploding

[last cedar]

Panels are really cheap now too (not so much batteries, but they will be paid off fairly quickly)

[primal laurel]

yes indeed. PV so cheap you can now build fences out of PV which are cheaper than actual fence material

just dont put eveerything on south, stick m to every wall

[lone garnet]

@broken trout - I noticed that since shutting down the #cameras-archived thread the hardware section is less active around Frigate and some Camera related topics are not getting attention. Is there plans for a frigate discord? I just don't think the new format is all that great with the kind of interactions that used to be had in #camera.

[broken trout]

We have always recommended users use GitHub to seek Frigate support, that is what I would recommend now as well

[last cedar]

@primal laurel 43% wind

[primal laurel]

I think that happened to every topic. 'free' discussions have stopped due to the new format

[last cedar]

"Ospecificerat" (means unspecified) is the excess heat from @clear ferry s servers, 468MW

[lone garnet]

Yes its the free discussions that are going to be missed.

[lone dagger]

Y'all have #the-workshop for hardware topics still. 🙂

[last cedar]

Yeah, this is raccoon only discussions

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-lilli-inspirational-quotes-gif-25672089

[lone garnet]

I found a YouTuber that has a discord that has at least chats around Frigate in his camera channel so maybe I can have the free chat there instead. DigiblurDIY

[lone garnet]

I am guessing anyone that regularly watched #cameras-archived is ever going to watch that because its junked up with other unrelated items.

[last cedar]

Iirc Digiblur had lots of useful videos

[lone dagger]

He's also part of our Creator Network.

[primal laurel]

only 468MW? I thought he used intel?

[last cedar]

It must mean per server

[lone garnet]

Yep his discord is our last hope ha to continue on with #camera focus topic.

[lone dagger]

My dude, is it necessary to come in and be antagonistic?

I understand there were changes that not everyone is happy with.

[clear ferry]

You jest, but I'm currently playing around with servers that pull 12kw each on half load

[lone dagger]

No need to come in and stir up stuff because you are still unhappy.

[last cedar]

What is the power connection on those?

[clear ferry]

Be like me, always unhappy, and an utter cunt

[last cedar]

Must be 25A round red thing?

[clear ferry]

6x3000w PSUs each

C19

[last cedar]

Aha, so 16A to each PSU

Damn

[clear ferry]

No wait, 8 PSUs

Since it is 12kw

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/customer-service-karen-skboz-st-louis-i-want-to-talk-to-the-manager-gif-17655801

[lone garnet]

This is my first day in in a while as I was involved in a multi-month move and had not been on much but email lately.

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-run-hide-cute-gif-15440141

[lone garnet]

So I am just now catching up to the changes.

[weak musk]

Ok so you understand "threading"

[lone dagger]

You could have DMd people questions about things instead of tagging them in the main community chat.

[weak musk]

picture the forum changes like email threading

[clear ferry]

Multi threading?

Or smp?

Ewww forums, I'm out

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/please-disperse-leave-disperse-nothingtoseehere-gif-4982770

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/there-is-a-place-for-everything-shea-whitney-a-place-for-all-spacious-convenient-gif-24478692

[lone dagger]

brb making it so you can only talk in forum channels.

[clear ferry]

Yes mommy

[primal laurel]

I dont think he is unreasonable

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[weak musk]

this belongs in a different kind of discord

[last cedar]

I think that is a Gallardo

[clear ferry]

No kink shaming me and Missy

[clear ferry]

Galliano yes

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/brotha-ehhh-gif-13610710432496950731

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/italian-river-speed-boat-perfecto-gif-17332909

[primal laurel]

funny to think about. In the end it's all wasted power because it's heat production

[lone garnet]

My thoughts exactly and normally around the water cooler the talk is more around gossip and what people are sometimes not happy with in a corporate setting. So felt the topic was justified here at least.

If leaders of the company had to hear some of the water cooler talks they wouldn't be very thrilled with the discussions either. Which essentially is what leaders of the discord/mods felt at the time. So its understandable.

[forest edge]

kinda has a point on that lol

[lone dagger]

There is a way to provide constructive criticism without being passive aggressive.

[iron granite]

But please have mercy with dead horses.

[static schooner]

There's always #botspam

[forest edge]

you missed the point of the channel name

[iron granite]

You are suggesting to rename it to #botspam-and-horsebeating ?

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/familyguy-stewie-andihelped-gif-18299139

[forest edge]

swapping the name of this channel with botspam might direct those undesired posts to the new water-cooler channel while keeping this newly named botspam channel free of them..

[iron granite]

[forest edge]

just a thought..

[lone garnet]

I think the water cooler talks and leaders of company/discord mods would find the chats had there unacceptable. So I can see your point sometimes its best to ignore what happens at the water cooler.

[lone dagger]

No one is ignoring anything. I am confused about what your point is.

Additionally, the employees at Nabu Casa are aware of the complaints of the changes in here.

Seeing as I am one...

[lone garnet]

I am just saying the topics discussed at a water cooler in any settings are sometimes not in line with what leadership would agree with either. The topic justifies me complaining about what I don't like within the bounds of the discord.

[lone dagger]

Of course not everyone agrees on things, that is the human nature.

[lone garnet]

What happens at a typical water cooler discussion is sometimes not in line with corporate views is what I am saying. So its a great place to also come and complain about those matters. In this case leadership gets to see what was said but most of the times its on the down low in a true water cooler setting 🙂

[pearl bloom]

Hello, I'm looking for advice on buying a smart device, what's the appropriate channel for that?

[iron granite]

Just a short reminder, that the water cooler is no rule-free zone.

[lone garnet]

#find-support

[pearl bloom]

Ty

[grizzled gull]

huh?

[iron granite]

#1284966353798697001 with the "Recommendation" tag can help

[weak musk]

He's saying the rules apply in this channel too.

#rules

[lone dagger]

I did not say people could not air their complaints here. I asked if it was necessary for you to be antagonistic about it.

Feel free to complain, as you can see I engage with those who do. 🙂

There is a way to do it constructively, though.

[static schooner]

Maybe we need a chatbot trained on all the previous discussions about this...

[forest edge]

these company made YT videos that showcase their product with these really bad examples crack me up. more than half the video is no activity at all lol

https://youtu.be/tT63VfiN2wU?si=qUFub73oQdycsAFq

[iron granite]

So the "tons of packages" are arriving in the last seconds?

[weak musk]

"Do you like false positives?"

"You're going to love our product!"

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/tentacle-futurama-love-fry-gif-19121237

[forest edge]

even the wasp didn't like it lol

[lone garnet]

I got you. Didn't see it as that way but looking at it from your side it could be taken that way as it was a decision made that you and others on team may have felt was best for the community. Then when someone comes in an straight up hates on it it can be taken even farther out of context.

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/my-child-yes-my-child-tara-banks-gif-13665628

[lone dagger]

Yep, spot on.

[weak musk]

(damnit you edited "father")

[tidal bronze]

Another tracking camera disaster 🙂

[hollow glacier]

this is how we get skynet

[lone dagger]

You aren't the first and won't be the last to complain. I appreciate you seeing things from my side. I really do know some things I changed pushed some community members out - it's a risk I took. But you do have a home in #the-workshop for cameras talk here, always welcome.

[weak musk]

That's one stupid skynet.

[hollow glacier]

it thinks we're dumber tho

[forest edge]

imagine the google ai to text of that video.. delivery truck has now been out of view for 5 minutes now..

[tidal bronze]

Completely useless cameras, unless manned or covered by 2 more cameras.

[weak musk]

What's the cost for 24/7 in person security

[tidal bronze]

Depends on "security"

[weak musk]

something better than those cameras lol

[tidal bronze]

Regular cameras work just fine. I simply don't get the use of ptz in home use.

[lone garnet]

I am going to try the new forum for a recommendation see what happens here.

[lone dagger]

Feel free to offer feedback of your experience after! I am legitimately curious. 😄

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/worst-security-security-check-gif-12488050463950226869

[forest edge]

that looks more like a religious thing than a security one

[static schooner]

I thought he was holding a sensor, but it just looks like a wristband

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge your lenovo barks when using Mushroom chips?

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/woof-woof-charles-boyle-brooklyn-nine-nine-acting-like-a-dog-mimic-dog-gif-22899668

[tidal bronze]

Exactly like that

I need to find a better display for night stands. 😦

[scarlet flame]

Does anyone know if there's any Zigbee two-phase current transformer units?

The only ones I could find were not Zigbee, but Tuya WiFi things

[static schooner]

#1284966353798697001 might

[forest edge]

I use custom button card

so no idea on other stuff lol

[tidal bronze]

You fancy dolls?

[scarlet flame]

God, I hate threads. Forum features in a not forum

[tidal bronze]

Custom buttons are too fugly

[lone dagger]

Skill issue.

[forest edge]

learn css lol

[tidal bronze]

2024! who wants to deal with CSS. Priorities I say, priorities!

[lone garnet]

I felt my topic crossed the line of 2 topics cameras and recommendations I thought I selected both but it only allows one it appears.

[austere anchor]

We love threads

[primal laurel]

I hate frontend so much I became an EE

[forest edge]

css is the only way to get more bang for your buck on the limited real estate

[simple gazelle]

I know juuuuust enough CSS to make my flask apps look right, and when I say "flask app" I mean "ui to a python jankfest"

[lone dagger]

Hmmmm it should have! As the OP, you should be able to edit the tags after you've posted.

[tidal bronze]

Mushroom is just fine and pretty. No need to reinvent the wheel. Webkit in that damn device is from 1873!

[forest edge]

then enjoy your "bark" lol

[tidal bronze]

Nopes. In the trash is the answer.

[lone garnet]

i edited

[forest edge]

again..

not sure if anything new has came out to replace it

[tidal bronze]

That's the issue. I am in search mode at least once a week. I have I think 7 of them that needs to go. I don't want to waste time and scratch my head checking every device before guests come over.

ORRRRR, work on perfecting the perfect automations lol

Wonder if there are any prefab desk stands for smaller tablets?

[forest edge]

you put yourself in that position lmao

you are just not going to be happy till ai becomes self aware

[tidal bronze]

I know I did. Returning guests are asking for that crap. I am telling you these displays are such a headache

[forest edge]

returning guests? I thought your whole goal was to make them not want to come back?

[tidal bronze]

Sadly not the case. I didn't want to see ANYONE this December. Shit pop up in the calendar and I am going to flip!

[forest edge]

mine has been working great, the only time there is ever any issue is updating HA and making the choice to manually refresh the the page on the device or let it do itself which it does do

[tidal bronze]

They work fine for months and then suddenly barks. ugh

[forest edge]

no barking here lol

[tidal bronze]

Nothing worse than getting a barking screenshot from a guest in house that's "fully automated" lmao

[static schooner]

your guests bark?

you got some kind of pet hotel going on there?

[tidal bronze]

Lmao. I usually fly out when people come over. I can bare only 1 day max 🙂

At least I don't hear the barking

[forest edge]

if it's fully automated why do they even need the screen?

it almost sounds to me you'd be better off with like a rpi with small touchscreen in a custom enclosure

[tidal bronze]

Exactly! Unless I run bed sensors in every guest room that's not possible. More than that people act nuts when they are on holiday.

[forest edge]

so why not run bed sensors then?

there was a product mentioned in that megathread

was an interesting bed sensor

[grizzled gull]

Hide the hooch and you won't have the problem...

[tidal bronze]

That's 4 beds I thought I don't have to worry about lol

[forest edge]

I personally don't see the point of a bed sensor unless it can weigh you but in your case the simple point of just indicating "fatass in bed" may make sense

[grizzled gull]

To bad you don't live up north, you could set the heat to 50 degrees and only give them a lightweigh comforter and sheet

[forest edge]

heated blanket on smart plug.. just detect the eletrical draw to know when guest are trying to sleep lol

[tidal bronze]

The actual problem is having 70 degree sunny days in December. 🙂

[grizzled gull]

I'm blessed, we don't get a lot of over night guests and the worst thing they do is screw up the TV CEC and shut up lamps instead of using the button provided to shut them off

[tidal bronze]

I wish that was the case. Laundry status, guests having their guests. access to cameras It's a shitshow!

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XmoDzDMqj4

[forest edge]

why do they need access to cameras?

you waaaaaaay overcomplicate shit lol

[tidal bronze]

They invite guests so need to see who's out there

[forest edge]

make an app.. would be cheaper and more reliable and universal lol

thier own phones are thier screens lol

[tidal bronze]

Tried it.

[forest edge]

hell on android I think you can make an app that literally just points to a webpage hosted locally lol

[tidal bronze]

I do have have a custom app for gates and garage doors

[forest edge]

tht way when they leave they cannot use it to continue spying lol

[tidal bronze]

I will figure this out one day.

Been years

[forest edge]

yea when you give up and come back to sanity lol

it will all just fall into place

like magic

[tidal bronze]

Sanity is not having a single display or any interaction!

Going to work on these bed sensors. Hopefully it will work with kids.

[forest edge]

what type?

not even sure how the ones in the megathread even work

[tidal bronze]

Saw some new mmwave sleep sensors.

[forest edge]

that go under the matress?

[tidal bronze]

Under the frame

[forest edge]

interesting

[tidal bronze]

I won't do it if it is half-ass

[forest edge]

this is the one from the megathread. https://www.elevatedsensors.com/

[static schooner]

automatically set an alarm for them to get up when they're medium-rare

[tidal bronze]

Resistive load, meh. Keep the luggage on bed and leave, end of state

[forest edge]

I thought it was detecting your head on the pillow lol

[tidal bronze]

Heart rate / sleep is the right answer but the throw of the mmwave is too short. So I will have to test this out 2 to 4 per bed accouting for kid size

[forest edge]

what will this sensor trigger?

is room occupancy not enough?

[tidal bronze]

Occupancy. I already have 2 long and short throw mmwave per room but not enough

[forest edge]

...

hiring a person to stand there and watch your guest would be cheaper and more reliable

[tidal bronze]

I agree!

[forest edge]

still baffled why you need so much detailed data

[tidal bronze]

Do you know the feeling when you run the entire house without any intereaction at all?

[forest edge]

are these really guests are contestants on the squid game?

[tidal bronze]

You sound like my wife. " you too much" she says

[forest edge]

well she has a point lol

[tidal bronze]

You are asking guests to use HA app, she does not have it on her phone. lol

[forest edge]

no

I don't see why they need access to anything lol

but if they did it could be a simple universal webpage at most

the whole point of being someone's guest is not have to deal with any of the shit around the house lol

even hotels still require you pick up a phone for room service

[tidal bronze]

Automating for 2 knowns, is easy. That took years as well. Add the variables of guests and habits. hmmmm

[austere girder]

Sorry for the slow reply. Gotcha. How do I do that? 🙂

[iron granite]

Create a post in that channel. You can select that tag when creating it.

[tidal bronze]

Exactly! I want them to go out and explore. These digbats don't wanna leave the house!

[forest edge]

so turn up the heat during the day, make the house unbearable to stay in lol

all this tech you got going around is what's likely keeping them there.. they are curious wtf you automated lol

[tidal bronze]

People are interesting, what fascinates them the most is dog bark alerts on PiP lol

[forest edge]

lol

you don't pipe a lot of crap through that do you?

that would annoying to try and watch tv with popups constantly popping up lol

[tidal bronze]

Oh no. Dog bark and drive-way.

[forest edge]

I been debating about having caller id popup on mine but not sure I really want to spend the 40 for the modem to do it lol

it was a nice feature with spectrum cable

[tidal bronze]

Huh you still got a landline?

[forest edge]

always

[tidal bronze]

I use CID on my phone with tasker to trigger front yard lights etc when gate calls.

[forest edge]

sounds like there would be a better way of doing that

[tidal bronze]

I am all ears

Tell me how to do that before breaking front yard beam sensors

[forest edge]

does the controller panel reside within wifi signal?

[tidal bronze]

Controller?

It's a person calling from the gate house.

[forest edge]

yea for the gate.. the thing people use to push the button that triggers your lights

oh

yea then I guess you are limited lol

[grizzled gull]

Anyone down south want to trade places with me?

[forest edge]

Minnesota?

[static schooner]

that's an ominous trend as you head into the afternoon

[lone dagger]

[grizzled gull]

yep

[forest edge]

I would think you'd be use to it by now

[grizzled gull]

First 0 of the season 😛

dew point is already -7

[forest edge]

your temps shouldn't drastically swing back and forth

come in the middle.. 3F one day and 60F the next

[grizzled gull]

Thats March...

[tidal bronze]

Yikes!

[forest edge]

lol march

that's 365 days of the year

[lone dagger]

That is all why I moved away from Colorado. The extremes were just too much.

[tidal bronze]

You got rain?

[lone dagger]

Right now?

[grizzled gull]

I live here because of summer and fall, 75 degrees at the cabin for a high and 50 at night is perfect weather conditions in the summer and fall, just the crisp air and dry leaves is wonderful

[lone dagger]

Or like in general?

[tidal bronze]

Isn't rain a thing there?

[primal laurel]

can't read freedom units, is this good or bad?

[tidal bronze]

@lone dagger this is not ok

[lone dagger]

Oh. Yes. But not extreme temperature swings. Our range is very small.

[grizzled gull]

My friends down south always ask how we can live where its so cold, I just explain to them it's just like their summers, we stay inside in the winter, they stay inside in the summer 🙂

[lone dagger]

I really don't disagree.

[tidal bronze]

So you own an umbrealla?

[lone dagger]

I did until my son lost it at a park a few weeks ago.

THANKS FOR THE REMINDER

[forest edge]

I'd much prefer to live more north than more south

[grizzled gull]

Just for you

[tidal bronze]

You live down middle earth stop picking!

[forest edge]

we get the best and worst of both ends lol

[primal laurel]

we used to have winters like this. Hasn't happened in decades

[tidal bronze]

What are these weird units?

[forest edge]

only place on earth where you see the tress transition from fall colors to spring colors over the course of just an afternoon

and back again

[grizzled gull]

and its windy

[fathom sparrow]

can't read baby units, is this good or bad?

[primal laurel]

can we have 11 stedentocht at your place?

[tidal bronze]

@static schooner A5 is back in stock at Costco. If you are interested

[fathom sparrow]

paper?

[grizzled gull]

better? lol, sorry I'm done with the picture spam

[fathom sparrow]

ty, chad units

[forest edge]

yea they are going through another toilet paper scare but this time with stationary

[tidal bronze]

What kinda paper is that?

[grizzled gull]

People still use paper?

[tidal bronze]

GTS got a landline, why are you dissing papper?

[forest edge]

don't be jealous

[fathom sparrow]

wtf, why?

[forest edge]

it's california.. given up trying to find an answer to that a long time ago lol

[forest edge]

any state is a step up from Kansas

view wise

[static schooner]

there's a whole book written about it

[forest edge]

I like how discord had to blow that image up rather than shrink it down lol

[static schooner]

I grabbed right from the Google search page for some site, so the lowest of the low resolution

I remember when that came out

[clear ferry]

You still remember 1937? Go to bed old man

[lone dagger]

[tidal bronze]

Here comes the dude with years, months and dates

[forest edge]

yay it dosen't look like this apollo xmas tree is going to get sucked into the Louisville, KY postal office black hole this round

@hollow glacier have you been running yours off battery?

[hollow glacier]

No cuz you have to make it sleep or it drains battery

[forest edge]

controlling it via wifi dosen't make it sleep?

[scarlet flame]

I don't know what happened, but a gremlin took my units

Refreshing without cache several times eventually fixed it

[storm crest]

living on the edge

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hope-you-have-a-plan-b-jim-lake-jr-trollhunters-tales-of-arcadia-i-hope-you-have-a-backup-plan-i-wish-you-had-a-backup-plan-gif-13281999888303698795

[lone dagger]

I do this, too.

[forest edge]

https://community-assets.home-assistant.io/original/4X/5/5/4/55483a9ea13bd28d471b4e5b5a42f6cf37aba938.jpeg

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-cool-beans-creed-gif-22882018

[zealous fog]

Where is the best place to ask a question. all the support stuff are threads.

it is regarding my new sonoff zigbee dongle not working with google voice. I have nabucasa and it works very well with all my wifi devices. new zigbee switches do not work. no idea why or where to start. thank you

[iron granite]

#1284966439702499400

[zealous fog]

thanks, thread posted

ignore i figured it out thanks

[lone dagger]

Always the case, right? 😆

[forest edge]

still waiting to get a response back from the Ollie's store that is hosting a Santa this year. Trying to find out if that knee has a weight restriction

[crisp oriole]

Omg youtube search api. I made a search api with youtube but it does not search well. Strange hits. For for example the chemical brothers go. The track is at 8th place or something. I dont want that.

So i created a voice automation that sends a voice search <query> official youtube video. And press oke. Works almost everytime

Also a api with google and site:www.youtube.com gives off results.

</vent>

[crisp oriole]

<vent> internet down again

[white hare]

Thanks @raw tulip , watching your first stream done 7 mths ago and learning a lot from it. got a LD2420 and LD2450, I got the LD2420 connected but not getting any readings from it, just Unknown. I will try the LD2450 with your MTR code. after I learn some more about it.

[storm crest]

emote almost matches your pfp

I finally put away and organized all my tea - god this reno/move/HA redo has been a slog

[lone dagger]

[storm crest]

4x 30" drawers worth

look

[lone dagger]

That’s so much tea!

[storm crest]

yes

2nd drawer is dedicated to caffienated teas/coffee

[lone dagger]

Why drawers and not cabinets?

[storm crest]

when I have guests it makes them so much more presentable

they used to be stacked vertically on a shelf and they were hard to access, esp if you wanted something at the bottom of the stack - very jenga-esque lol

the shelf then collapsed not due to weight, but being constantly getting steamed by my hot water dispenser

[lone dagger]

Womp! Totally makes sense lol.

[crisp oriole]

I really need to make a offline test day. And see how well my system runs offline.

[shell basalt]

i know when my fiber was cut yesterday morning.. nothing worked right at all!

far too much reliance on cloud services

[crisp oriole]

I have a local dynamic dns for my laptop to switch between vpn and local lan for my voice assistant. But my whole dns went not responding.

[peak slate]

I'll lose my weather data integration

And uh, that's it?

[crisp oriole]

Local music?

[unborn merlin]

that hapened to me a few months ago.. verizon's trunk got severed somewhere and everything was down..

At least like.. 95% of my services still worked fine internal to house.. 🤷‍♂️

adguard dns redirection helped of course.

other people got fuckall.

I sat and watched plex stuff. 🙃

[shell basalt]

well what was really annoying .. i haven't migrated EVERYTHING over.. one of my Alexa devices acts as an alarm clock..

normally i'd yell at it "alexa, snooze alarm" and she's happily do so

[unborn merlin]

and of course despite the fact that it definitely could've worked fine since it does local detection to some degree for the wake word..

🙃

[shell basalt]

but with no internet access, "hmm, internet connection is not working" and continue on blaring the alarm

but since I had to get up and unplug the damned thing, I continued on with my morning at that point

[forest edge]

I assume this is G fiber, what part of KC and how do you like it?

[light dock]

Those with pets, what are your strategies for motion sensor alarm detection if you're away given the furr family members could set them off

[clever mortar]

Don't "arm" sensors in rooms the pets can enter

That said, we close many doors before we go out - like bedroom doors. Those are "armed" for the alarm.

[craggy oxide]

ee

[solar zealot]

I feel like simple window/door sensors would do better in those cases

Unless there is an entry there should be no motion to detect

[wintry rampart]

I've got HAOS running on a lenovo m93p. I have 2 networks, an inner wifi network (with all my devices), and an outer hard-wired network. The HAOS box is on the outer hard-wired network. Devices on the inner network can see the outer network, but not vice-versa. As such, auto-discovery doesn't work for anything on the inner network. Is there an (easy) way to get HAOS to connect to both networks, so that it can "see" and discover the devices?

[clever mortar]

The #1284966540617449515 channel can help, but the answer is don't do that

[wintry rampart]

@clever mortar what alternatives would you recommend?

[clever mortar]

I recommend asking in the right channel 😛