the-water-cooler

[grizzled gull]

Thankfully, our ktichen has regular zigbee wall switches, so we had food 🙂 it was more the bedrooms and living rooms lol

[grizzled gull]

and honestly it was also me just being lazy, because even lights on dumb lights switches if you turn them off and then on default to on

The worst was not having my bathroom lights turn on at 5% brightness at 6am in the morning :/

[tidal bronze]

My primary is zw, I don't believe in smart bulbs. All inwall zw switches/dimmers/motion. I run 2 zigbee networks for not critical backup sensors. Then all mmwave on wifi.

[dawn badge]

all of my stuff is wifi. i have had bad luck with zigbee. although i do admit to only trying a couple of things which were really cheap

shelly relays behind switches work really nicely

[tidal bronze]

I have some random buttons, temp sensors etc on zigbee. I honestly don't even check if it is running. 😀

[weak musk]

Zwave and WiFi is a good combo just because there isn’t spectrum overlap

[tidal bronze]

Yep. I think I have about 140+ wifi and same on zw

[dawn badge]

people hate on having loads of wifi devices but in my expierence if you get a good access point thats well placed its not an issue

[tidal bronze]

Never had issues on wifi, although I run 7 APs

[dawn badge]

lol 7 AP's is a bit extreme. but i guess it depends on what your walls are made of

[weak musk]

Or how big your house is

[dawn badge]

i just have a U6-Pro and not had any issues

[dawn badge]

true, if its a castle...

[weak musk]

In general I think more APs works better than 1 really powerful one

[tidal bronze]

Its all relative.

I think even 7 is not enough.

[dawn badge]

lol, fair enough. if it works for you then thats all that matters

[tidal bronze]

I don't have crosstalk from neighbors so minimal noise.

Can add a few more

[dawn badge]

you waiting on replacement parts in the post?

[heavy turret]

I have custom made a jery-rigged radiator control using automation and mqtt messages to generate a crude dashboard for control. Is there a way to instead have a virtual "thermostat" helper that is more generic than the "general thermostat" helper? I essentially would only want to set the target temperature via that control without having to have separate fields to show current and target temperature

IP by courier?

[clever mortar]

#1284966582375813201 can help there I'm sure

[vagrant oracle]

@modest lance

[vagrant oracle]

sorry trying to get his attention

[clever mortar]

Uh huh

And joining this server just to ping them was the best way?

[vagrant oracle]

i have been here since 4 of feb

[clever mortar]

Just lurking then 😉

[vale crow]

Looking to jump into zigbee, any reason to wait for the zbt-1 fix instead of going for this?

[rich sphinx]

welp, putting off my Home Assistant setup for a bit then

[clever mortar]

The Sonoff P stick is crap, don't buy it

#1284966617670881350 can guide you on good choices

[vale crow]

lol thanks

[clever mortar]

See too the pins in #zigbee-archived

[vale crow]

Is the zbt-1 good? For future reference. Other than the regulator issue that they’re working on

[clever mortar]

It's as good as (almost) any other USB connected option

Sonoff's sticks being the usual exception

(the Sonoff E is fine too, but none of the others they've made have been)

[rich sphinx]

hmm, does the Home Assistant Yellow need a CM4 or would a CM5 work when that is released?

[crisp oriole]

The ArmSoM-CM5 is a system-on-module based on the Rockchip RK3576, designed to be electrically and mechanically compatible with the Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 (CM4).

cut past

In otherwords. (hardware) Its lego it works. (software developer if it compiles it works) (software tester: I have to test everything)

[rich sphinx]

So it sounds like it'll work. Brilliant, thanks. It's just the CM5 will most likely have full Google Coral support is all

[crisp oriole]

I would not go for a Yellow if you want a Coral, because you limit the coral use to what home assistant can do.

[rich sphinx]

It's a more compliant PCIe bus overall so... probably still better for HA!

whether or not I do end up using Coral is another matter, but I read it was due to compliance problems in the CM4 PCIe bus that Coral + CM4 didn't exactly play along with each other

[crisp oriole]

but if your an Aspiring full stack software dev isnt some homelab server. with vms and what ever better for your needs?

[rich sphinx]

for the Home Assistant? Nope

Plus I'm a fan of using actual hardware over a VM. For example for the custom call screen I plan to make for my Level 4 events (aka errors), I plan to test on an actual Pixel 8 Pro and Pixel Watch 3.

And I have a Windows PC, a separate Linux PC, and a MacBook Air

[crisp oriole]

fair enough. I have everything crammed at a passive cooled celeron 16 gig industrial mini pc.

[clear ferry]

this is the way

none of that SoC nonsense

[iron granite]

The final specs of the CM5 have not been published yet, so nobody can say for sure if it will be compatible with a Yellow.

[iron granite]

The Yellow does not work with Coral at all. It also has problems with the USB Coral.

[sturdy vapor]

Can someone tell me, why creating a device is SO overly complicated to the point i had to write my own integration?

[rich sphinx]

Oh so the HA yellow is also part of the Coral problem?

[sturdy vapor]

Why is this not available through api

[clever mortar]

Because integrations create devices

The API isn't for that

The API isn't really for pushing data to HA at all, though you can abuse it that way

[sturdy vapor]

Yes, but why

Security or what

[clever mortar]

Because that's the approach the developers chose

It puts HA at the heart of it, rather than being out on a limb, and makes the overall experience more predicatable, and more under HA's control

[rich sphinx]

Would make sense to have HA be the beating heart of it

More centralised and allows HA to throw the things out to the devices as needed

[sturdy vapor]

My HA instance has become les predictable lol, it doesn't update regularly anymore as it did with api updates

But i get what you're saying

[clever mortar]

Well, that's an integration/connectivity problem 😉

[sturdy vapor]

Some update, some don't

Figured you'd say that

[clever mortar]

#1284966582375813201 can help you trouble shoot stock integrations
#1257019582112334014 can help you with the one you wrote
#1284966540617449515 can help you if you turn out to have general connectivity issues

(if the middle one isn't a valid link, that's because you need to visit id:customize and add developer)

[sturdy vapor]

2nd 1 is no access, probably some role i didn't check

[rich sphinx]

They already beat you to it 😛

[sturdy vapor]

Yeah lol

[clever mortar]

Messages crossed in the post 😄

[sturdy vapor]

Shame, at this point i might as well write my own react app instead

[iron granite]

Wouldn't say that. The m.2 is a CM4 issue. And the USB one is 99% instable when using it in Frigate. Working for maybe one detection, then failing.

[rich sphinx]

yeah, I'll wait for the CM5 then and see what that brings. We do have Nest displays + Nest doorbell so I imagine they interact via Coral

[iron granite]

Well... there is no guarantee or even educated guess, if the CM5 will work for the Yellow at all.
And even if, it will likely take additional time to create a CM5 and Yellow compatible HAOS - if the devs decide to do that.
Many ifs for now.

[rich sphinx]

Other option would be to avail my old desktop for now to see what happens in the space

I'll rig up my NexDock to it I expect so I have a display for setting it up

[fiery iris]

Hello

[clever mortar]

Hello

[sturdy vapor]

Nice logo

[crisp oriole]

@rich sphinx if you stay with haos the backup/restore is a charm. you can hop over to other hardware with just an hour and a halfdown time

[fiery iris]

Thanks

[rich sphinx]

Yeah I am looking at HAOS

[fiery iris]

How are you doing

[fathom sparrow]

You are acting like a bot

[forest edge]

wasn't it like "good" when they released it? what happened? I remember seeing videos about it when it was released and how those people praised it at that time

or is it just .. sonoff so don't buy.. lol

[clever mortar]

Well, somewhat the latter, given that almost everything they produce is barely better than Tuya, and sometimes not

But the P has two known problems. There's the fact that at least for a while they had a problem with the NVRAM - it randomly corrupts and you have to re-write it to recover.

It'll also crash, much like the old CC2530/31 did, if it's a little busy

[forest edge]

get what you pay for huh

[sturdy vapor]

Nah, its not always about payed amount

Like buying a hue ledstrip while you can use WLED

[fathom sparrow]

I just set my parents up with Hue, its 1000% more user friendly than WLED

def worth the price tag IMO

[vestal musk]

Not sure if this is the right place (now all the other chats have been frozen) but water cooler sounds right.

Do you think there's a plan to add richer control on tiles based on state - specifically change the icon/colour of a tile based on the state/attribute of another entity. It feels like creating template entities for this will quickly become a burden

[fathom sparrow]

and it works well

[sturdy vapor]

IF you have to use any userinterface with smarthome

Is it really smart

lol

[fathom sparrow]

wtf does that have to do with hue?

[sturdy vapor]

Has to do with the user friendlyness, ofcour if you have to solder shit its less userfriendly

[fathom sparrow]

#1284965988642590891 can help

[forest edge]

Hue Tuah

[fathom sparrow]

where in wled does it have automations that are comparable to hue or HA?

[sturdy vapor]

You can set wled automations with HA?

[fathom sparrow]

right, but you just trashed hue as a comparison to wled

then you went on to complain about using the dashboard, when WLED only has a dashboard and nothing else

[sturdy vapor]

Hue is overpriced shit

[clever mortar]

No, it's not

[fathom sparrow]

yeah, na, it's not

[sturdy vapor]

:)

[clever mortar]

Costly, yes

Shit... no

[sturdy vapor]

I'm saying if you have to use that dashboard, you're not making a smart home

[fathom sparrow]

it's great for my parents, and it works phenomenally, and they can set it up

[sturdy vapor]

Just making more work for yourself

[clever mortar]

You're really getting a better product, at least when it comes to lights

[sturdy vapor]

Same with any other product

[fathom sparrow]

Hue is just shit for you.

[sturdy vapor]

Yes

I don't want my shit pinging cloud servers, or being mega priced with less features

I do deem that shit

[fathom sparrow]

lol, it really seems like you don't know much about hue

hue is 100% local

[sturdy vapor]

Pretty sure they changed that recently

[clever mortar]

Particularly if you ditch the hub 😛

[sturdy vapor]

But yes, i could be wrong

[fathom sparrow]

you are 😉

[sturdy vapor]

Still though

70 bucks for non adressable LED's that i can create for 30bucks

Seems like a waste

[fathom sparrow]

they are addressable though

I literally just bought them

[sturdy vapor]

Then they changed that

[fathom sparrow]

you can assign each pixel

[forest edge]

zigbee only right?

[peak slate]

Hue is all zigbee right?

Lol

[forest edge]

no?

[fathom sparrow]

Na, the control and use is local. Account is not local

[forest edge]

I thought I saw some wifi hue bulbs in home depot

[fathom sparrow]

So all you need is an account to setup hue

it's running on my rents cottage locally w/o internet

[sturdy vapor]

That's a red flag in my book

[forest edge]

maybe it's just the bridge

[sturdy vapor]

tbh

[peak slate]

Ah yeah the account shenanigans that got a ton of blowback

[fathom sparrow]

it did, but set it up once and be done with it. I was anti hue however I ddn't want to support HA at my parents place. Hue is a great, easy-to-use, HA replacement for non-techies

[forest edge]

wasn't hue like a nightmare to integrate with HA in the begining?

[fathom sparrow]

🤷‍♂️

Marius might know that

[peak slate]

I mean ha in the beginning was made for controlling hue

And had no ui

[clever mortar]

I integrated HA 0.3x with Hue and it worked fine... when the hub worked anyway

[dusky plank]

hue philips did not want to implement push for HA, so the only way to get fast detection from motion sensors was to use the homekit integration for a long time

[forest edge]

maybe that was what I was remembering

just remember something about it, ontop of it's price lol

r/Chinesium/ is always fun to look over once in awhile lol

[sturdy vapor]

fyi @fathom sparrow wled has an api too

[fathom sparrow]

again, we aren't comparing apples to apples here, which is my point

[sturdy vapor]

Nope, just ledstrip to ledstrip

[fathom sparrow]

I have set my parents up with WLED and Hue, I can 100% say I will be going hue from here on out

even though it's more expensive, it just works better in every single way

[forest edge]

wled dosen't make led strips tho?

[fathom sparrow]

they do not, I made them

[peak slate]

Lol I setup some folks with wled powered devices, but their only knowledge of inputs is a standard led ir remote

[sturdy vapor]

You need to make them

[peak slate]

I wouldn't try to set them up with Wi-Fi/app control other than telling them "it's available and you're on your own if you want to use it"

[sturdy vapor]

Yeah, i feel that

[forest edge]

i'm not a fan of hue either because of the price but they do make some interesting stuff and I think they are still toward the top of the list of production led color accuracy

[sturdy vapor]

Imo though, the whole point of a smart home, is that shit is automatic

And doesn't really need an app

Use a shelly button on the wall instead?

Or any other button ofc

[forest edge]

petro over there supporting the evil corp lol

[fathom sparrow]

ya, well my rents were going through those cheap led strips for like $40 a pop and all they could do was get solid colors. I built one that's rock solid and addressable for $60ish. It's lasted 2 or 3 years now and if the strip dies, we just need $15 bucks to fix it. I'll keep doing that for this strip because it faces waterfront, which is hammered with high wind and moisture most of the year

[fathom sparrow]

in the grand scheme of things, hue is no where near evil in comparison to just about every other brand that's in the business

[sturdy vapor]

Nothing compared to social media or microsoft/google

[forest edge]

apple of bulbs

[fathom sparrow]

ya but you're missing the point: They just work, for the average joe

yall are focusing on what you want

[peak slate]

Hot dang yeah those cheap strips would die in that environment like monthly

[sturdy vapor]

No I'm saying its overpriced

[peak slate]

Wled does let you use the ip68+ strips if you need it

Not sure if hue has strips like that

[fathom sparrow]

They have 67, but 68 are actually worse for waterfront like that w/ constant sunlight

condensation builds up inside the strip... really dumb design

[peak slate]

Degradation of the exterior

Oh, interior

Til

[fathom sparrow]

yah

I get 67 for waterfront

3 years so far I think, looks nice too still

[sturdy vapor]

You guys do anything with valves?

OR water management

[fathom sparrow]

I don't have anything in place

other than humidity sensors

[peak slate]

Nope, getting power to where the valves are is my main problem I don't want to deal with

[sturdy vapor]

I need to automate my moms sprinklers and fish tank, but dunno where to even get electrical valves or smth

[peak slate]

My house water main is outside

[forest edge]

build an acrylic enclosure that way the light shines through but the acrylic takes all the elements

[sturdy vapor]

I want to do it with arduino fyi, not some prebuild thing

[sturdy vapor]

Fair

[peak slate]

Good luck on the hardware, make sure it can stand up to elements and lots of cycles open and closed

[sturdy vapor]

Yeahh.. no freezing etc

She has a greenhouse, so probably build it in there

[grizzled gull]

What are you trying to automate with teh fishtank?

[dense bramble]

Guys.. what the F happened with google_assistant integration? Can't be setup anymore ?

[sturdy vapor]

I mean its a paludarium, so not just a fishtank. But I currently got humidity/temp sensors going and would like to add waterfall/pump control (currently done through power switches)

and maybe some misting

She has poison dart frogs and gecko's + fish in it

[fathom sparrow]

some other thread mentioned they changed something and are deprecating something

they meaning google

[sturdy vapor]

Hope they'll be forced to sell chrome

That'd make my week

But then again, it'll probably be bought by unofficial google

[dense bramble]

@fathom sparrow so there's no other option to use google nest/mini to control HA via voice?

[fathom sparrow]

🤷‍♂️ I highly doubt that the setup is impossible now. Someone just needs to spend time figuring out what they are changing and how to work past it

[dense bramble]

I think I saw something that they are deprecating "actions" in favor of "google app" or some **** like that...

[fathom sparrow]

Yep, that's what it was IIRC

[dense bramble]

Hopefully the maintainers are aware of it and find a solution...

[grizzled gull]

I think reddit went boom

[crisp oriole]

I dont care about reddit need karma to get on some subs i want and a debian question that isnt a post about debian (logo) in real live and it got down voted.

[last cedar]

They probably found a way to squeeze advertising revenue from it

[forest edge]

I didn't think heat blown into the air infront of a mmwave sensor was suppose to trigger it...

[peak slate]

Google will kill every product of theirs that you use

[static schooner]

Evergreen comment 🙂

[forest edge]

https://inovelli.com/products/zigbee-matter-blue-series-mmwave-presence-sensor-smart-dimmer-switch

they make a zwave too..well will make

interesting they are putting in smart bulb mode on these things too

although having a smart switch with a smart bulb seems weird to me

[weak musk]

It makes it visitor proof

[static schooner]

I think every smart switch should have smart bulb/detached load mode

[fathom sparrow]

I'm not following

[static schooner]

Google has a long history of doing exactly that to a whole host of things

[fathom sparrow]

Oh yeah, for sure

[static schooner]

You could make that comment every week and be right about something

[fathom sparrow]

what doesn't make sense is that it seems like it'd kill all "apps" within google home

I'd wager there has to be a way to replicate the previous behavior, otherwise nabucasa wouldn't even work

[peak slate]

Smart bulb mode is exceedingly useful

[clever mortar]

https://developers.home.google.com/cloud-to-cloud/get-started probably

's fine... when it dies I'll just "stop" using Google with HA... oh, not that I really do anyway

[forest edge]

what are you doing with a smart bulb coupled to a smart switch tho?

[peak slate]

The smart bulbs I have are motion activated to turn on, smart bulb mode means I can use the switch to turn them on and off without them disconnecting from HA and killing the smart features

Basically it's a way to use the switch as a scene controller instead of a physical electrical relay

Smart bulb remains powered, command to turn off gets sent by HA

[forest edge]

but this can be done without going that route..

[peak slate]

no..... without smart bulb mode, the switch would just physically turn off the light

No more smarts since it's no longer powered

[forest edge]

but with just a smart switch...

[peak slate]

I have switches without that mode, they always turn on/off the relay when you snap them

[forest edge]

I get the detached mode

I don't get using a smart bulb with a smart switch

[peak slate]

Smart bulb mode let's the smart switch interact with smart bulbs or other always on devices

[peak slate]

So a normal human can enter your house and use the switches

And without you getting enraged at them

[forest edge]

can be done with a smart switch that supports deteched mode.. no smart bulb needed..

[peak slate]

Detached mode is smart bulb mode

Literally synonyms

[forest edge]

ok, i think i was misunderstanding

[peak slate]

I hadn't heard it called detached mode until now

Lol, always heard it called smart bulb mode

[forest edge]

"smart bulb mode" is a dumb term, they should just use detached mode cause you were making it sound like you were literally using a smart bulb as well

[peak slate]

Well, most of the time you are, using like hue light bulbs and a smart switch to turn them on and off from the wall

[forest edge]

thats dumb

[peak slate]

That's the nominal use case at least that I've seen for them

Makes sure my motion sensing lights aren't turned off by folks who come to check on my pets when I'm on vacation

And trust me, they constantly did until I swapped in the switch

Even past Blue tape over it to hold it on

[forest edge]

I use shellies so I understand that detached mode need

but the use of an actual smart bulb with a smart switch I just don't get

[peak slate]

But you keep calling detached mode dumb

Lol

[forest edge]

I am calling using an actual smart bulb with a smart switch dumb

[peak slate]

What is your use case for detached mode then

[forest edge]

and the term "smart bulb mode" which needs to be renamed detached mode

like my garage lights have a shelly. so I can operate the lights by automation but it's hooked to a dumb switch so they can be operated manually

[peak slate]

Cool, that's like the same use case as my switch

Also that doesn't need detached mode

[forest edge]

yes it does

[peak slate]

Since you don't need the lights to remain powered

[forest edge]

on a shelly position of the switch matters

[peak slate]

I feel like a basic smart switch could do that, hooks into ha and you can drive it with both a switch and an automation, both of them flip the relay on and off

[forest edge]

those are push button tho

these are rocker switches

[peak slate]

Switches are switches though

[forest edge]

not really.. not in terms with how smart switches work

[peak slate]

I guess the rockers can be visually inspected for a direction of up or down, but I feel like that's an odd requirement

[forest edge]

just how pucks behind a dumb switch works vs an actual smart switch

I have a tplink smart switch for my back door light

[peak slate]

I guess I have no pucks, I just saw them as a smart switch with more steps and the same functionality

They take the input of the front rocker switch, and toggle a relay based off that

[forest edge]

yea

[peak slate]

Then you have an automation that can also toggle the relay separately from the switch

[forest edge]

correct

[peak slate]

So it's a smart switch with more steps to install

[forest edge]

yes but it allows me to use my same switches

also the pucks + switch take up less space in the box

[peak slate]

Ah, yeah I've never cared about that, switches are switches, they all look the same

[forest edge]

especially if you wanted to do like a double switch

like a shelly 2pm has two relays in one puck

[peak slate]

There are smart switches with multiple outputs like that too

They have multiple front face switches to control them

[forest edge]

yea now

that didn't use to be the case

when i installed these

actual smart switches have more stuff to go wrong as well I feel

between having indicator lights etc

just more stuff to break

[peak slate]

But pucks have more wires to cram in the wall and hope don't have any problems too

6 of one half dozen of the other

[forest edge]

true, gotta be aware of how you wire them lol

[peak slate]

Both are equally annoying to replace on failure, killing the power and pulling apart the switch box

[forest edge]

which is why I stated the more things to go wrong thing

lol

[peak slate]

Both tend to require neutral too (I know both sides have some no neutral)

[fathom sparrow]

@dense bramble follow this issue https://github.com/home-assistant/home-assistant.io/issues/35867

looks like someone who got it working will help us with the documentation

[dense bramble]

thank god... I was beginning to think I purchased 4 nest devices for nothing ....

[forest edge]

if your house is google heavy I would think going the nabu route would just make so much more sense

[dense bramble]

I just prefer google... 🙂

[fathom sparrow]

the nest devices should already work with google assistant tho

google assistant will only give google assistant control over HA devices

[dense bramble]

@fathom sparrow the idea is to talk to the nest(s) and control HA. Not the other way around 🙂

[fathom sparrow]

weird

what's the point of HA then

You have HA do all the heavy lifting then just use GH to control via voice

[dense bramble]

I prefer the simplicity of "hey google, do x" -> it talks to HA and gets done.

• the kids are used to "hey google"

[fathom sparrow]

yah but you already have that with google to your nest devices

[forest edge]

more reason to go nabucasa

[dense bramble]

@fathom sparrow from what I've read about the nest integration - it allows supported google devices to be controlled from HA, and I want to control HA devices via google nest (i.e. voice)

[fathom sparrow]

are you trying to just get voice control for HA devices? If yes, then you're following the right path

because what you're saying otherwise is the opposite

I was beginning to think I purchased 4 nest devices for nothing ....

^ that makes no sense in the context of your current goal

[dense bramble]

Google "voice control for HA devices" -- that's what I'm trying to do 🙂

Got 5 nest minis, one for each room.

[fathom sparrow]

TIL nest means something other than thermostats now

[dense bramble]

Yep..

[static schooner]

Google made everything "nest" when they bought "Nest"

[fathom sparrow]

weirdos

[dense bramble]

indeed ...

@rich sphinx TKIP/AES setting?

WPA3?

oh...

[tawny flume]

Aweome home assistant esphome let me remote start m'y none smart car every work Day at morning with custom remote starter and additionnel remote fob

[dense bramble]

got my hue bridge directly on a mikrotik, no issues

[fathom sparrow]

noice

[dense bramble]

maybe check the cable ?

check the network topology then - is the "tp link" the main router, and the switch after it?

or do you have another "main" rotuer -> the switch -> another router (i.e. the tp link)

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/mcgovern-gif-7771586

[tawny flume]

Lol

[dense bramble]

topology matters with routers, because your device would get an IP address other than what's in your "main" network (i.e. before the tp link)

so if you have 10.0.0.0/24 network from the "main router" and on the switch, and you connect the tp link to the switch - it will give something like 192.168.1.0/24 for it's "clients"

If the switch's "uplink" port is connected to 1 of the the TP-link's LAN ports, and you connect the hue bridge on another lan port on the router - there shouldn't be any issues

but if there's another router in the equation - it changes things.

[forest edge]

back to hue..

[dense bramble]

restart everything...

then, after everything is up - login into the tp link's admin page

look for the DHCP clients

and see what IP address the nest's MAC is getting

(if it's getting one at all)

Jesus I read "patients"

sorry 🙂

so, in essence - the "tp link" is the "main router" -- correct ?

oh dear ...

so there are 2 routers and that's why things change 🙂

it doesn't work that way ...

let me try to explain... you have the "SKY" router - and it's connected to a switch, and you connect the TP link to that switch. Where is HA connected - to the switch before the tp-link ?

you don't have to

if all IP addresses in your house are given by the SKY router - alll you need to do is reconfigure the tp-link to work in "bridge" mode

the tp link's admin page ....

[clever mortar]

Can I suggest you take this to a thread, to avoid taking over the channel

[dense bramble]

@clever mortar good point ..

@rich sphinx start a thread and I'll tell you what to do (its not difficult)

[clever mortar]

You could reply to them and start the thread in one action 😉

More -> Create thread

[dense bramble]

I'm not that into "discord" so... forgive me for not knowing about hreads and what not 🙂

[clever mortar]

And now you know 😉

[dense bramble]

I'll deal with it in another server and

[midnight adder]

Hey folks

just found out there is a "new" (?) sport called slam ball – basketball + trampolines 😄

[static schooner]

I look forward to the Olympic event

[midnight adder]

first the world has to license that new sport 😄

[static schooner]

whenever a "new" sport pops up, I usually then find out that there have been regional and international competitions for like the last decade with superfans and such

[midnight adder]

yup that's why I added "new" (?) - you're probably right and it's been there for 2 decades already.

[static schooner]

I'm like "where did this thing come from?" and then I find out that some people make their living playing it 🙂

[midnight adder]

somehow I think we have peaked as humans

[dense bramble]

And like any other sport - it'd get ruined by men "identifying" as women ...

[static schooner]

dude, stop that

take that somewhere else, or just don't

[midnight adder]

kinda bored... that slam ball did enternaine me for 10 min tho 😄

maybe it's time to check for the new HACS I installed earlier... is anyone using Bubble Card?

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/bubble-card-a-minimalist-card-collection-for-home-assistant-with-a-nice-pop-up-touch/609678 looks kinda cool

[clever mortar]

People are, that thread has loads of them 😛

[midnight adder]

no trolling please 😛 I meant the two people reading actively at this very moment 😄

[clever mortar]

Well.... #1284965988642590891 is more the place to ask ... but I'm sure people are

10K people have visited the repo from that forum post

[midnight adder]

probably AI bots

you probably have heard about the dead internet theory

we are the only two/three real people left on the internet

[red rock]

I am sorry, as a large language model I am unable to generate a good response for that.

[forest edge]

you sure you don't just find out that they pulled something out of thin air to make the event sound more interesting? lol

[static schooner]

create a whole backstory with fake players and championships and a backdated Wikipedia page and old website with an "under constuction" dude?

[fathom sparrow]

what new sport

[static schooner]

#the-water-cooler message

[forest edge]

by the time you reached the end of typing that.. did you realize that it wouldn't be that much of a shocker to be true? lol

"wait a min.."

[peak slate]

The only new sport that exists is basekitball

A combo of baseball and basketball

[red rock]

Did you know about chessboxing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3AEKvsaYBE

[forest edge]

I bet by the time the 2028 olympics get here there will be some new sport involving nerds in computer chairs

[red rock]

I mean professional esports is a thing

[fathom sparrow]

it's really hard to get a sport into the olympics

[red rock]

I have been to a major counter strike event in antwerp

that was amazing

[forest edge]

no this would have to involve with like office racing in a chair or something

[static schooner]

the hack is apparently that countries can do a one-off of their choice, ala Breaking. But that's another example of their being a complete global following with championships and stuff for this thing that I thought died out in the 80s

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/office-chair-race-driving-wacky-office-playing-gif-21875376

[peak slate]

Turning the office lights on and off the mostv tones before you're punched

[forest edge]

soldering races

[fathom sparrow]

I'd lose

[forest edge]

me too

[static schooner]

ow, my eye!

[lone dagger]

Yeah, we were fine. We didn't have power for 25 hours, but we have a gas fireplace and stove so we were able to stay warm and still eat hot foods without too much problem.

The lack of news for that time was quite a breather.

[tidal bronze]

Glad to hear that. News is never a good thing.

[midnight adder]

oh wow... is that dangerous where you live? I mean 25h is a long time and in denser cities this could easily go full chaos in no time when people notice police can't be everywhere

[lone dagger]

Nah, it was fine. Well, except that people here do not know how to treat street lights when they have no power.

[midnight adder]

treat street lights?

[lone dagger]

Stop lights, sorry.

[midnight adder]

yeah figured it out 😄

[lone dagger]

My husband said he saw 2 accidents happen actively, and 3 others that had happened.

[forest edge]

no light means peddle to the metal

[midnight adder]

well yeah, depending on the crossing ... one lane might just never be able to cross 😄

I wouldn't know either tbh

in america it's probably "who has the biggest vehicle" gets the first

[tidal bronze]

Whenever in doubt; accelerate!

[peak slate]

It's a stop sign

🤦‍♂️ so many people around me too don't know how to handle that

I just wish police enforced stop signs and lights, red lights mean go

[midnight adder]

you accelerate?

[peak slate]

Green light means go

[midnight adder]

stopping the breaking -> stop sign

[static schooner]

claim color blindness

[tidal bronze]

Always. Was in the DMV handbook.

[lone dagger]

It's supposed to be treated like a stop sign. Person on the right goes first.

[forest edge]

california drivers ed..

[lone dagger]

It's really not difficult.

But people do not understand it.

[midnight adder]

so what do they do instead?

[lone dagger]

tbf they don't understand stop signs either.

[midnight adder]

accelerate?

[tidal bronze]

Stop? You mean a rolling stop?

[lone dagger]

Yep!

Just blast through it, not paying attention.

[midnight adder]

yes rolling stop – never ever stop at a stop sign!

[tidal bronze]

Always

[midnight adder]

it's against the law

[forest edge]

QF has never quite figured out what the pedal on the left actually does

[midnight adder]

clutch, always

[forest edge]

lol him with a clutch would be hillarious

[midnight adder]

you press clutch and the right peddle

both to the metal

then release left pedal

[peak slate]

I thought he lived in an airplane, left pedal is rudder left

[tidal bronze]

If this thing called clutch exists, you gotta pump 3x with the heal right?

[midnight adder]

but the real heros manage to use the middle paddle as well to break while accelerating – this indicates you want to cross the crossing

[forest edge]

QF could never drive a stick cause he wouldn't have a free hand to work the shifter while holding some weird named alcoholic beverage

[tidal bronze]

Clutch = ATX would come back and state "we got rid of them 1994 December" lmao

[midnight adder]

only australians are allowed to drink while driving

[static schooner]

do kangaroos know the stop sign rules?

[midnight adder]

yeah, they do – that's why it's not advised to or you get robbed by angry kangoroo gangs 😄

[forest edge]

wonder how that vw anti kangaroo deterrent thing is working out

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu0VJ7Vo5pg

[midnight adder]

is that a car that can transform into a carngaroo?

[forest edge]

holy crap. I thought stefan was gone lol

[midnight adder]

haha

[grizzled gull]

To be fair, its a new round about with NO markings or signs

[midnight adder]

I call this selfregulating traffic!

[forest edge]

it was something they put inside the front bumper badge https://www.volkswagen.com.au/en/roobadge.html

[midnight adder]

go with the flow

[primal laurel]

you only need to know one thing. Go right 🤣

[static schooner]

If it's not an anti-kangaroo laser, I don't want it

[midnight adder]

ah haha forgot about that one

[grizzled gull]

Want to see the most messed up design though that screws with your head? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd5AatLWvcg

[fathom sparrow]

People can't even work a yield sign

[midnight adder]

a lot of modern technologies used!! 😄

[forest edge]

that cross thing over bridges here is a new standard

it was weird at first

[fathom sparrow]

We have a few of those in my city. They work well

[tidal bronze]

Ever waited for someone to yield in NYC?

[grizzled gull]

This is a variation of that too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM_hJOusN9U

[forest edge]

driving within NYC.. hard pass

[grizzled gull]

it took a lot of getting used too

[fathom sparrow]

@tidal bronze Yes, it annoys the fuck out of me

yield is not stop

[tidal bronze]

Any action that requires breaking is a no no

[lone dagger]

And the hilarious thing is that everyone here knows how to do a roundabout.

[grizzled gull]

Do you all have clover leafs in your areas? Here they built so many of them with no acceleration lane its just a giant cluster

[lone dagger]

Yield is stop if there is oncoming traffic, though.

[grizzled gull]

They built them in 60's

[fathom sparrow]

not if you can match their speed!

[lone dagger]

Some. They are removing a lot of them recently.

[forest edge]

only if your tires are smaller tho right?

[primal laurel]

my home town has a 3 lane roundabout. To get your license you have to be able to cross it as least 3x without assistance haha

[midnight adder]

honestly... I'd never ever drive again without a navigation system 😄

[lone dagger]

Yes, and most of our onramps are totally able to give you that room. /s

[grizzled gull]

same here with lots of flyovers

[lone dagger]

lol

[midnight adder]

that's AI generated, isn't it?

don't lie! 😄

[forest edge]

driving in general has become pretty chaotic.

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-AbPav5E5M

[grizzled gull]

The biggest issue I have with roundabouts is I'm in Minnesota and people are to dang nice, they will stop instead of merging into the traffic int he round about, to passive just waiting for a 10 second pause

[forest edge]

a person shouldn't have to do the pray to God gesture everytime they turn the ignition key imo

[static schooner]

there's definitely a bike rush hour in China

[midnight adder]

had to look up where that is, yeah probably cool place to live!

far away from the zombie apocalypses in your land 😄

[grizzled gull]

Totally off topic, but I'm disappointed in my 13 year old, haven't blocked ANYTHING in adguard(other then ads)

[peak slate]

Or are you very proud of them

For hiding it all so effectively

[grizzled gull]

This is true

We have a program through an organization called Civil Air Patrol called Cyber Patriots, they teach the kids about computer security as part of a compitition, its kinda neat

Think ROTC light for the airforce

[midnight adder]

ah, yeah – we did that too! selforganized FXP groups looking for vulnerabilities and securing those for the companies for free

[tidal bronze]

Really? you got 7 vehicles in your city. Vision OK?

[static schooner]

cow avoidance

[tidal bronze]

Also, 87 I think that's pass driving age

Why not In n Out 😦

[peak slate]

New food to despise on an airplane!

[lucid phoenix]

Hey guys, is there a way to control Govee Led strips?

[grizzled gull]

The struggle I have with that, the amount of salt they will have to add additionally to make it taste good due to altitude will almost kill you

[grizzled gull]

Least its not whitecastle

[peak slate]

If it's just the normal stuff from the store, it won't taste very good due to altitude

And we know airlines are cheap, they won't be doing anything unique to make it taste good

[static schooner]

burgers on planes are bound to be disappointing

[ocean oar]

I saw that picture with the caption "making the new guy do drugs to prove he's not a cop" 😄

[forest edge]

horse and buggy

you try getting a horse to comprehend a roundabout

[ocean oar]

Frankly most humans seem to have a hard enough time

[tidal bronze]

Use WLED

[tidal bronze]

Hmmm, not really. If that were true I would be long gone 🙂

[forest edge]

I take it the square thing the person is holding is the meat that goes in the burger?

[tidal bronze]

Brownie!!!!

[forest edge]

they will just call anything by that name these days lol

[peak slate]

But why is there a glass of urine in that picture?

[forest edge]

buisness class private bathroom

[ocean oar]

If yours has that much foam on top you should probably see a doctor

[slow zenith]

It finally happened. After 5 years I finally lost my Zigbee network and have to repair 53 devices...

[tidal bronze]

No idea why that drink even exists. Oh well.

[forest edge]

how did you lose it? wasn't it plugged into something? lol

[grizzled gull]

sigh.... 🙂

[slow zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/beto-orourke-beto-orourke-gif-15564484

[grizzled gull]

if it makes you feel any better re pairing devices doesn't take THAT long, I think I paired like 40 in 2 hours wiht a little bit of help from the family

[slow zenith]

yea it hasnt been bad so far

repair, select location and if relevant, re-add to groups

will need a ladder for a couple things but otherwise it wont be awful

[forest edge]

oof

[grizzled gull]

I'm going to be switching out zigbee cordinators in a few weeks because I'm stupid and ordered the wrong version of the cordinator(POE vs non POE), but at least for me there are instructions right in the devices webpage how to switch

[mental peak]

Anyone got a Tado ref code?

"PS: tado° X Products are excluded from the Referral Program for now" okay nvm

[forest edge]

mother f.. the third reality tilt sensor jut went on black friday sale for 5 bucks cheaper than what I paid when I ordered it yeterday!

[static schooner]

cancel, return, reorder 🙂

[forest edge]

it' still in route

[static schooner]

actually, customer service can probably help

they don't want to get stuff back either

returns are a giant pain in the ass

I've had them just tell me to keep stuff in the past

In fact, I just had this happen with a third-party vendor on Amazon. They're sending me a new one and just told me to keep the original

[forest edge]

yea I would not want to work for customer service for amazon

damn keyboard was doing so good too

[static schooner]

I watched a story at some point about how they handle returns. It's like its own entire business

[forest edge]

i bet

not seen thi thing before

https://www.amazon.com/YIFAN-Extender-Wireless-Compatible-Assistant/dp/B0D4QNT5RP

[slow zenith]

i cant stop staring at it's male parts dangling there

odd choice to do male instead of female there

I expected more from YIFAN

the real problem with it that i see is someone is going to stick that right into a cheap wall plug, get a bunch of interference and wonder why their network is behaving poorly

or itll be fine and im being over cautious

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[forest edge]

I wonder how good the third reality MZ1 smart bridge is

[forest edge]

one of the pictures shows it plugging into the top a smart plug so they must offer something just for that

[slow zenith]

oh i see that now

do people acutally use range extenders? are there ones that perform better and sort of act as a sub-hub vs just using a quality smart plug somewhere, even if you dont plug anything into it?

[forest edge]

no idea, when you look that stuff up they claim repeaters are better than routers for extending but who knows how true that is

[urban wadi]

I have plenty smart plugs so no need for range extenders. I have about 10 IKEA ones in a closet somewhere.

I'd like to catch when my Aqara zigbee sensors no longer responding because of low battery though. I've tried an automation checking last_changed but it can take a long time before a temperature sensor changes. What do you guys do? Perhaps better to check .linkquality? I assume that changes quite often.

[forest edge]

questions like that belong in #1284966617670881350

[urban wadi]

I thought we established that quick questions like that could go here

[forest edge]

no, the second it has to do with HA it's outta here!

and if it's about tech stuff in general for too long ya get the boot to #the-workshop

just some of us are rebels and skirt that threshold posting in here lol

[urban wadi]

Did Missy change her mind?

[forest edge]

on?

[urban wadi]

On having quick questions in here

[forest edge]

about HA?

[urban wadi]

Yes

[forest edge]

you'd have to get a yellow to chime in on that.. I didn't get that memo

[urban wadi]

Whole discussion on it here a month or two back

[forest edge]

till i get that memo, i say what I say lol

[young sigil]

If I see a support question in here I will direct them to the correct location and point out the channel description. I visit infrequently though and by the time I see it someone has already answered. The problem with "quick questions" is that they can develop into multiple follow-up questions.

[hardy apex]

#quick-questions when

(I'm joking)

[iron granite]

[urban wadi]

Here's the discussion: #1285154411114532935 message

[forest edge]

how the hell do you know where the line is drawn?

it should be all or nothing to make it simple

[urban wadi]

Missy suggested "Support is when you need to go through a ton of troubleshooting to figure out what you are having issues with. A quick question is "anyone else use this thing?" and then there is convos." Difficult getting a discussion going in a support thread on a "anyone else use this thing" question.

[wise cosmos]

I have exactly the same sort of problem right now! I wanna ask everyone what wired/wifi temperature sensors they're using with HA that are readily available to buy... without having to create an entire forum thread about it

like "hey folks gimme some links, ok thanks bye"

[forest edge]

I'd like to catch when my Aqara zigbee sensors no longer responding because of low battery though. I've tried an automation checking last_changed but it can take a long time before a temperature sensor changes. What do you guys do? Perhaps better to check .linkquality? I assume that changes quite often. I guess if everyone responded to this with a yes or no and left it at that.. but beyond that actually answering it with details would benefit others and just get lost in the void in this channel thus makes no sense as a "quick question" even in what missy was refering IMO

@lone daggeryou make things too confusing!

[urban wadi]

The "what do you guys do?" was the question that was intended to get a discussion going though

[lone dagger]

If it’s support, you’ll be redirected.

[forest edge]

like i said, if all anyone responded was either or yes or no.. sure

but anything beyond a yes or no, it makes no sense to even answer it here

in my opinion

[urban wadi]

No, as in how do you guys catch stale devices

[young sigil]

That will get you a lot of varied answers and does not belong here, post it in #1284966353798697001

[wise cosmos]

well, that's the problem. it makes a forum post instead of a chat.

[young sigil]

That is not a problem.

You can chat in a forum post

[forest edge]

to catch refers to an automation which thus in turns suggests #1284980040940912641 or #1284966617670881350

if the zigbee cordinator had it's own means of notification and nothing to do with HA then yes.. perfectly reasonable to ask in this channel er better #the-workshop

[urban wadi]

That was not my intention. I was expecting answers like "I change batteries every 6 months on every device."

[forest edge]

can thank people like @clever mortar for engraining the diffrences between talking about HA in passing vs asking about how to accomplish something in HA lol

and if those rules are now changing.. then bleh on that

i'm too old to be changing all the damn time

only going to make me grumpy

[forest edge]

sorry, thats not how it came across to me.. yes that would be fine

but again in #the-workshop technically.. unless that's changed too

[rich sphinx]

well, currently messing around with a HAOS hypervisor (using Hyper-V)

[forest edge]

@urban wadito answer your question for myself. is using HA to monitor the battery states of the devices and notify

[crisp oriole]

And how many devices did how assistant discover?

[rich sphinx]

All the Google Nest displays and speakers, my Elgato Ring Light, Hue lights

[tender jewel]

fwiw I hate the new discord. it completely ruined it for me, no more just hanging out and helping people.

[crisp oriole]

Thats a good start. There are esphome prodys makers for your smart energy meter and thermostat.

[forest edge]

cutting the brightness down on these third reality bulbs really did the job. now I am happy lol

[crisp oriole]

Oh... there are free whatsapp llm bots and i have a whatsapp integration.

[crisp oriole]

great. a free intergratable LLM.

[wise cosmos]

yeah, it does really partition everything off. it's more searchable but you're less likely to get an answer...

[atomic delta]

Eh, I haven't had an issue getting a response to anything reasonable I've asked. The ones with few responses have been things no one knows an answer to anyway.

Like I asked about interfacing HA with a pots land line telephone's ringer. I got one response with some ideas of how I could do that, but that's about it, because no devices exist to make that easy at the moment. I wouldn't have gotten any more of a response had I asked it in a "chat" style channel.

Honestly, probably wouldn't have even gotten that one response.

[tender jewel]

I'm not really talking about its usefulness as a support resource (I'm sure this is better), but about discord as a social/informal chat (which often leads to support).

[fair edge]

I've stopped looking at this discord because of the change to forum mode

[young sigil]

That's not true is it? You're here now.

[fair edge]

👍

[blissful veldt]

any cons running proxmox instead of HAOS on a NUC?

[dawn badge]

run haos on proxmox on a nuc and you have a winner 🙂

[blissful veldt]

ah i didnt realise you could do that

[dawn badge]

proxmox is a hypervisor you can install any OS on it in vm's

thats an oversimplification but it gives the general idea

[blissful veldt]

whats the learning curve like

[dawn badge]

for proxmox? i didnt find it steep at all. last time i overhauled the "homelab" i decided to try it. and now i cant imagine not using it on my servers.

there are some complicated bits and pieces you can do that require a bit more learning but if you just want to run a couple of vm's its very easy. can watch a couple of youtube videos on it to give you a baseline but its very intuitive if you have used any sort of vm system previously

[blissful veldt]

i probably need to watch a beginners tutorial on it never used it

[dawn badge]

have you worked with any sort of vm's before?

[blissful veldt]

little bit of docker

[dawn badge]

a vm is aa bit more than docker which is a container. (although promox does that too) you assign resources from your pool to a virtual machine and its like having a computer within your computer. and you can run multiple of them (resource depending)
so for example you can have a haos server AND a ubuntu server AND a windows server if you want

but yeah check out a couple of beginners guide type videos to give you an idea and go from there

[blissful veldt]

once they are deployed canyou edit the resources

[fair edge]

I'm just going to mention, it would be good to understand what docker is and what a VM is before using either with HA......

[rich sphinx]

yeah I used Hyper-V to try HAOS

[dawn badge]

mostly yes, you can change the cpu core count, ram allocated etc... but allocated disk storage is a bit more complicated for obvious reasons

[clever mortar]

I would say that unless you already know Docker and Linux, or want to learn them, using Proxmox with a HAOS VM is a good starting point. You can migrate later to a Docker install if you want it, or run Docker alongside HAOS.

Personally, I love Docker, but I'm a geek, and I've spent years working with Linux, containers, VMs, etc

[tender jewel]

Follow the Derek seaman? Tutorial

https://www.derekseaman.com/2023/10/home-assistant-proxmox-ve-8-0-quick-start-guide-2.html

[clever mortar]

Or https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/scripts?id=haos-vm from the late great tteckster

[upbeat flame]

hello, what causes homeassistant.exceptions.HomeAssistantError: Could not determine source ip because the system does not have any enabled IPv4 addresses and creating a socket failed? i am getting this randomly even though the machine has a stable connection both to my router and to the internet

[keen bridge]

There's no support in this channel. Try posting in #1284966540617449515 🙂

[upbeat flame]

there doesn't seem to be support in the support channels either

given that 90% of the posts have no replies beyond the op adding more details

including my own

and this channel gets 200 posts per day i figured nobody would mind

[keen bridge]

Except for the fact that the topic for this channel says "There's no support here"

Just because you haven't got a reply yet doesn't mean that you won't get one—it just means that no-one who has seen your post has an answer to it

[rich sphinx]

Also Rosemary, as I work through getting my own HA setup going, you've got me to set up a Github repo to showcase mine 😛

I'll probably also showcase the caller app I make for my phone to handle Level 4 events (errors)

(Since I'm going to have 4 levels of events. Trace level, info level, warn level, and error level. Error level will call my phone)

I might go for 5 levels, and have level 5 be Fatal, and have that one phone me instead

[forest edge]

0O0f 30F out

[rich sphinx]

As for why I have that many levels... I've used NLog in C#, so I'm familiar with those levels 🤣

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-dead-star-trek-bones-gif-15263308

[rich sphinx]

Gonna be fun building my own caller app though. But if I manage it, I'll make it available as there may be other HA Android users that want the same functionality 😄

I need to make the caller app configurable to high heaven though

[blissful veldt]

i wish the post install script still worked

[forest edge]

wtf is a nona sim card?

[deft pewter]

Pretty sure it's a typo and they mean nano.

[iron granite]

No NA - Not not available. So it is an available SIM card slot

[crisp oriole]

Failover wlan perhaps

[rich sphinx]

Hmm... I'm gonna have fun I can tell... especially once I integrate HA with GA and Siri

But I might see if I can run my old 3770K with GTX 760 on Linux to run the voice assistant stuff (and potentially run training of it from my Ryzen 9 RTX 3070 machine)

[forest edge]

gross

[rich sphinx]

why gross?

If you mean the Siri and GA stuff... unfortunately that's required for my parents, they're used to working with GA (and my mum also has experience with Siri)... so I need to ensure that the Home Assistant is able to help them while changing absolutely nothing for them

Because yeah, my setup has to cater to not just enthusiasts, but also more typical folk

[tawny flume]

This is ideology from HA

[rich sphinx]

Me being the more enthusiast type, the stuff that won't affect my parents, I can customise to high heaven and make absolutely epic. Such as Level 5 (and possibly Level 4) events calling my phone to tell me something fell over. 5 being Fatal and 4 being Error

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/tentacle-futurama-love-fry-gif-19121237

[crisp oriole]

@rich sphinx i have a old laptop i got from work for tts and stt because my celleron server dont got the juice. It works but isnt that fast. I have a ddns setup in my dnsmasq (it pings to check wat server is up) to use my expensive laptop when its on. Just use the ddns in home assistant

I guess it also works for ollama if the models are there

[calm crow]

Anyone use any tracking devices... for cars or people?

[forest edge]

track phones

[calm crow]

Yeah that's what I'm using atm which is nice

I guess i could install HA on sons phone

...if only my car was a phone 😞

[forest edge]

anything that uses gps will require a subscription and there are lots of devices out there plus you could always make your own but would still have to pay. can use something like apple air tags as well

[calm crow]

Hmm

Yeah I'm might be better to have something in car so can use Bluetooth to connect.. would let me know roughly when I leave for work or when I arrive

[keen bridge]

iBeacons can connect to phones and then be reported back

[forest edge]

there are LOTS of people who do that stuff in ties with HA. I suggest put on your google search hat and go wild

[calm crow]

Thanks

[last cedar]

What about the 5G tracking chips we all got with the covid vaccines? /s

Can those be used in home assistant?

[static schooner]

Need a Covidongle for that

[forest edge]

you misunderstood.. that was 5 Grams of vaccine..

spread across like 3 diffrent visits if I remember.. might be more now tho

this sucks

my tilt sensor was suppose to be delievered today

it hasn't even got on the truck yet

[static schooner]

must have overslept

[forest edge]

oh it just changed.. now it says out for throw away

[static schooner]

if it's Amazon, it's not as important if it hasn't gotten on a truck at the beginning of the day. It happens all day long

the important thing is that it's in the destination location

[forest edge]

almost tempted to buy that revised wyze scale cause it shows you the graph of your last weight recorded lol

[forest edge]

electric door handles and laminated glass windows.. new cars nothing more than death traps lol

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/he-died-in-mysterious-circumstances-the-history-guy-mysterious-death-killed-perished-gif-19154492

[rich sphinx]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0CR9TZ4SN got this arriving tomorrow 😄

[pure tusk]

Bleh, we are moving homes and the wife asks me to not have smart home stuff anymore 😢

She dislikes that it removes comfort.

"Just press a light when you need it."

[rich sphinx]

I had to ease my parents into it

[weak musk]

😂

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-newman-angry-annoyed-jerry-seinfeld-gif-8462570581203395603

[iron granite]

Time to change the wife? New home, new opportunities.

[grizzled gull]

agreed!

[grizzled gull]

You know you could just use inwall switches that provide the automation and she wouldn't know the difference....

She can live in teh stoneage, and you can live in modern age where lights follow you 😛

[simple pebble]

Do anyone if reolinks w320 work good with Frigate? Wifi cameras though but not battery-driven as far as I can

[forest edge]

if it has an accessible local feed such as RTSP it will work with frigate. ALL reolink wifi and poe cameras should have RTSP ability, exception as you stated. no battery driven cameras with the exception of the ones that work with their HUB

[rich sphinx]

Do HA plugins/integrations/extensions have to be written in a specific programming language?

[static schooner]

There are no plugins or extensions

Integrations are written in Python

Addons can be whatever you want. Custom cards are usually js/ts

[rich sphinx]

Integrations must be Python but anything else can be in my preferred language?

Just I'm learning Swift, Kotlin, and C# atm

[knotty lily]

Add-ons yes, they are basically just docker containers.

[rich sphinx]

hmm, as mine is designed to interface directly with HA, I imagine it'll be an integration...

Since I'm going to (once I'm more confident in programming) write an interface between my app I'm making for Android to handle HA errors/warns/etc, but it'll be specifically for HA (and the Android app will dial directly into it), but I think that'd be an integration as a result

(writing my own so I can set it up in a very specific way)

[knotty lily]

So the app would control in some way control HA? You would just use the HA APIs (websocket or rest) in that case. If something you need doesn't exist, you would have to write an integration (in python) to expose that functionality.

[pure tusk]

No, thats the problem

The lights go on based on brightness outside or movement.

So the automations that provide comfort (in my eyes) are annoying her

[grizzled gull]

Oh so it not the automations....

[pure tusk]

They will override her switch. If dark and human in room then lights go on

[grizzled gull]

Hmmm could you do room presence sensors by your phone and just adjust lights only when you're in there?

[pure tusk]

She can press a button to turn lights on sure....

But she hates that something overrides it then sometimes

She gave the example of turning hallway lights on as a night light for our baby. We cant. As the lights go out if no presense detected

I already said its easy to get a actual nightlight..........

[rich sphinx]

Could you not set exemption areas?

[pure tusk]

But its hard to convince.

[grizzled gull]

you could sent a condition on when the lights go out and what to dim them to instead of just turning them off

IE no presence detected between 7pm and 7am turn lights to 10%

[pure tusk]

I wish. I also get a complaint that sometimes in the night lights are on in the kitchen

[grizzled gull]

I have a script for my outside lights, turns them on at a certain lux level at dusk at 10% and when a person is detected it turns them on to 100 until no person is detected for 5 minutes and turns them back to 10%

[pure tusk]

Because stopid shitty zigbee devices that are buggy

Its all the little things, combined.

My mind then works, ok how can we improve and make it easier

Her mind seems to work "DESTROY ALL THE SMART HOME"

[grizzled gull]

It's because its causing her a hassle which I can understand

[pure tusk]

Yes, agreed.

But these things are hard to overcome.

She doesnt wanna learn how to disable a automation that turns the lights off, for example. And neither do i want to teach her by the way, it should be automatic, not be a learning curve for her.

She doesnt enjoy the hobby. And she does also see some positives in it. But not much. Rather have it all gone...

And we got a shit ton of devices and automations😂😢

[tidal bronze]

Lol. Best line of the day.

[pure tusk]

Some aliexpress bulbs that decide themselfs if they turn off, or stick to 1% brightness 😐

Trash

[grizzled gull]

I hate to say this, but the biggest issue I've had with zigbee was with my skyconnect and z2m....... changing cordinators has solved my network issues... I blame z2m as ember is still beta wiht them

[tidal bronze]

I do use zigbee but never in production. Just not reliable from my experience

[pure tusk]

Oh most my zigbee devices are rock solid luckily

[tidal bronze]

Great to hear. If wife complains about anything that device is out. Keeps the peace at home.

[grizzled gull]

Will use skyconnect whenever I get a matter device though, so not all is lost

[tidal bronze]

It's 2024, if you gotta tinker, then you are in the wrong business 😆

[rich sphinx]

I use Hue bulbs, but thinking of replacing them for HA (with something not ZigBee), or at the very least, for ones that also have BT, so I can update the firmware that way

[jagged lodge]

Posting this for any future searches: I'm really happy with the roborock Q5 Max+ as a good budget vac under $300 USD. However, do NOT use quick mapping. Do clean + map.

The quick map was a quick lidar scan from the middle of the room. When it went to clean, it absolutely freaked out with any slightly unusual obstacle - like the casters on my rolling desk. It even ran onto its own stand and nearly got stuck.

As soon as I did clean + map, it handled everything perfectly.

[weak musk]

make an automation that disables your automation for a certain amount of time if the switch is used.

[forest edge]

still waiting for these damn shipments.. did you get my address wrong?

[static schooner]

Farm in Middle Earth not good enough?

[forest edge]

Outside Mordor would at least get it close enough

[tidal bronze]

Sorry, I will not ship headaches

[weak musk]

lol isn't that how you describe california?

[forest edge]

not asking for your headaches.. asking for these devices you no longer want lol

Ebay resell store needs product

[tidal bronze]

Honestly, straight to trash. Not worth the time.

[forest edge]

omg

[tidal bronze]

Life is too short

[forest edge]

lol picture the bum that runs across QF's trash cans

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/poor-help-broke-heated-insult-gif-4906568

[tidal bronze]

You should see my yearly component throwout session. Used to hoard everything. If I haven't used in 3 months. Out

[weak musk]

we do this too, it's really freeing.

[static schooner]

that takes a level of will that I can only aspire to

[forest edge]

it really isn't that much harder to just toss them into a box, tape them up and slap a shipping label on it...

[tidal bronze]

One such box. Lol

[weak musk]

are those buttons?

[tidal bronze]

Yep

[forest edge]

yea.. tape it up.. slap shipping label on it and lets go! lets clean that messy house of yours!

[tidal bronze]

I am still wondering why I ordered 500 of them.

[weak musk]

saved .001 per unit

[forest edge]

because you are not batman and didn't want to raise suspicion of what you were building

[keen edge]

hey there, quick question about the "green" preinstalled version of home assistant

does it come with a mic? I would like to connect it to a voice assist without extra hardware

If not, does it have USB ports I can plug a small mic into? Thanks in advance

[tidal bronze]

Taobao fault

[forest edge]

did you even bother to google it? lol

[keen edge]

yes, the official specs doesnt say anything about it

[weak musk]

that means "no"

[forest edge]

you can see the io in the pictures lol https://www.home-assistant.io/green/

[weak musk]

Companies don't list things they don't do very often

[keen edge]

A USB port might not be eligible for a mic if there is no OS that can process the input behind it

But yeah I'll take it as a no

[weak musk]

what do you want the mic for

[keen edge]

Voice assist, basically turning on/off things and music control

It would also be nice to plug it to an ollama server to be able to ask random questions

[rich sphinx]

That can be done

[weak musk]

I think you will be unhappy using the green to do those things directly. A lot of people put those functions on different hardware. #1284966915055288530 can help more.

[keen edge]

Okay I'll open a thread there since this is not a quick question anymore lol

But I might just end up using a RPi, thing is the Green is around the same price as a RPi, and it came with everything nicely preinstalled

thank you btw

[rich sphinx]

Yeah, I'm planning to run Ollama on my old PC, but with a fallback if the PC goes down that the HA uses default voice stuff

[rustic mortar]

I’m kinda quite new to home assistant and I’m looking for a sort of mentor that I can directly message who can help me with various things. I tend to do a lot of research myself so not expecting to be spoon fed but often even after research and YouTube tutorials I often get stuck. Anyone interested in being my home assistant buddy?

Thanks!

[grizzled gull]

crickets....

[keen edge]

I would, but I never even used HA myself

I guess I could be of assist in general IT stuff tho

[grizzled gull]

To be fair this isn't a support channel its just a chat channel for people with HA

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lets-talk-questions-animal-pet-gif-8333765139387877698

[weak musk]

Honestly, just post questions in the correct channels as they come up. The installation guides on home-assistant.io are great for the most part, and the people here do a great job of filling in any gaps.

[forest edge]

crazy time of year. only 4ish yet feels 7ish

[grizzled gull]

next month it gets dark at 415 here...

like street light's on dark

I hate black Friday, good sales, but do I really need them........

[tidal bronze]

Middle earth issues eh?

[forest edge]

just dawned on me the tilt sensor takes triple A's. winter is going to wreck those batteries while in the mailbox. need to get some lithiums

[forest edge]

you suggesting California is immune to changes of the sun in the sky?

[tidal bronze]

Just a better sun

[forest edge]

that solar tower project that went belly up and is still killing all those birds is just reflecting more towards LA? lol

[tidal bronze]

Just, everything is better in southland

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/nienkepien-ignorance-is-bliss-gif-8265744912636554371

pretty sure that image was made just for you lol

[rich sphinx]

I do plan to get Netatmo stuff as well for weather monitoring, so I can shove it into HA

[grizzled gull]

Paladin I've had really good luck with ecowitt, might also be worth a look

[weak musk]

this sensor sounds huge

[forest edge]

it's not too bad, it's a square

[tidal bronze]

Tilt sensors 😁

Barn tilting?

[forest edge]

early warning system for when your state finally goes into the ocean lol

[grizzled gull]

oh thats rough...

[tidal bronze]

Sail away ♥️

[forest edge]

whats rough is the waiting period

[rich sphinx]

https://www.creatingsmarthome.com/index.php/2024/03/09/powering-philips-hue-hub-with-poe/ oh hmm... if I get a PoE hub this might be the way forward

[forest edge]

just ditch the hub

[rich sphinx]

if I ditch the hub I can't easilt update firmware so no

since other ways are possible but they're more finagly from what I've seen

[grizzled gull]

What do you mean? I update my phillips bulbs all the time

or you talking other devices?

[rich sphinx]

Either way I'm sticking with the Hub while I use these bulbs. That's final, even if it's 999'999'999'999'999'999'999'999'999'999'999'999'999'999x better overall to get rid

[grizzled gull]

z2m, I push a button it updates, shrug

[rich sphinx]

talking bulbs but mine don't have bluetooth. No I'm not going z2m

Not unless it's integrated into the HA Yellow hardware, then I'll consider it

if it's part of the HA Yellow hardware then that's different as I'm looking to get that anyway

[weak musk]

This is such a weird take

[forest edge]

they still new

in time they will understand

[rich sphinx]

she

[grizzled gull]

neither are part of the hardware, ZHA is more integrated to HA, however both can be installed in HAOS(what OS you're running on the yellow)

Just can only run one or the other

with 1 cordinator

[rich sphinx]

yes but I meant the zigbee controller in the HAY working with z2m for updating bulbs.

if that's the case I'll look into it when I get the yellow. If not I'm sticking with the Hue Bridge and I won't be swayed otherwise

[weak musk]

It would be better to get a USB coordinator (which will work with z2m and the HA yellow), but also be easy to migrate to other hardware if/when you outgrow the yellow

[forest edge]

if all you have is hue stuff and no other zigbee stuff then it don't matter

but when the day comes to desire branching out

it will matter

[weak musk]

you could also use ZHA which gets you to the same point, but is slightly tighter in the integration to HA.

[forest edge]

I like z2m better now that I have switched

zha was flaky for me for some reason

plus it's weird how one will give you access to some sensors/information that the other dosen't

[weak musk]

I only have zigbee for like 3 devices so it didn't matter much to me. But this point is interesting. I'm primarily z wave with js ui.

[rich sphinx]

My 3 Hue bulbs are the only ZigBee things in use and I won't be adding more

[forest edge]

oh yay amazon is here

[rich sphinx]

I'll just stick with the Hue Bridge then, possibly even if I get the yellow

[weak musk]

it's not like you can't switch if the experience sucks

[forest edge]

I like how the reflective stuff on thier shirt makes them look like a walking traffic cone with ir lights in black/white on the camera

[weak musk]

that's freaked me right out when they've delivered at like 8pm during the holidays

[rich sphinx]

I'm looking for a bigger PoE network switch anyway, my 5 port one just isn't big enough anymore, I need more ports, so I'll just find one that works with the Hue Bridge without much faff and is affordable. And I'll perform the mini mod to run the Hue Bridge off PoE

[forest edge]

is the yellow even still being sold?

[rich sphinx]

yes

just requires you to bring your own CM4

[forest edge]

oof 152 with no cm4

[rich sphinx]

I'd get the PoE version

[forest edge]

get the green and get one of those adapters. so much cheaper lol

[rich sphinx]

I want the Yellow specifically though

[forest edge]

why?

[rich sphinx]

I don't care if the Green is £1'000'000'000'000 cheaper

Because I can spec the CM4 the way I want for a start. Another factor is expandability, the yellow is far better for that

[forest edge]

while rpi4/cm4 is pretty capable of doing a lot. eventually your almost certain to outgrow it regardless. by the time the green would need to be replaced, you'd be replacing the yellow as well

as someone who is still running ha on a rpi4 i know the limits lol

[rich sphinx]

Then I'll go for a NUC or something straight off the bat, if that's the concern

[forest edge]

most in here would advise that

[rich sphinx]

Or maybe build a Ryzen setup for it, with like a Ryzen 5 7600X and like 64GB RAM

[forest edge]

if you have a server of any kidn currently, you could always slap the os on that, or in a docker etc

[distant junco]

Here's my (perhaps a bit outdated) thoughts on SBCs like that if you care about my opinion: #general-archived message

[upbeat bobcat]

I have a python script that I use to make telnet connections with a device. Works perfectly but initiates a connection for every command. I’ve tried to get it to open the connection on boot using an automation to trigger and modifying the script but haven’t had any luck. Has anyone done something similar that might be able to assist?

[rich sphinx]

Anyways...

[green carbon]

So Starting here this was super interesting to hear. 140 WiFi smart devices and 140 zwave?? do you have a dedicated VLAN and 2.4Ghz band for your smart home stuff? (with 7 APs i would imagine you're a network engineer of some kind)

I would also like to say - you all have Prod and Nonprod for your HA instances?! lol epic. I just have dashboards i don't let my wife touch with limited visibility

[tidal bronze]

About 150 zw 30 zigbee i thinj

Yes to vlan

2.4ghz dedicated ssid for all esp stuff

[green carbon]

Mind if i ask what your Router/AP hardware is?

[tidal bronze]

Unifi with edgerouter

[green carbon]

i was about to guess that

😄

How many of those zwave devices are zwave LR

or are you just on standard mesh

[tidal bronze]

None. Mine are pretty old. Some are from 2009 I think.

Keep moving from one house to the other lol.

[green carbon]

Lol got it. I am moving into a 4 story townhome in like a month (less). I have a thread going in #1284966353798697001 about it and how stable long range really is.

Have you had any issues with devices dropping or anything? Or have you manually set some zwave options up on the devices to ping more often

[tidal bronze]

No. The only rock solid thing is zw. Some dimmers have failed throughout the years. But I have an extensive network. Even every wall outlet is Z-Wave

[green carbon]

Nice. So basically just make sure i have a ton of repeaters and my network will be solid

If anyone has had any experience with Zwave long range i'd love you to chime in. The switches i am looking at are the zooz ones that have long range capabilities.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-rick-potion-number-nine-mutant-mutating-mutation-gif-19686309

[tidal bronze]

You can also add dedicated repeaters.

If you build a good zw network, you should be set for years. I do not use any battery devices.

[green carbon]

Okay so i have looked at that. And anything on the mains should never drop.

And now that i have said that, i realize that is probably why battery devices drop - they go into power saving mode if they aren't called very often

[rich sphinx]

Hmm I need to get support for Matter too

[green carbon]

That's something i haven't been able to explore yet. But i have also seen waaaay fewer matter devices still.

[rich sphinx]

Zwave, Zigbee, Matter, Thread

[green carbon]

I have zwave and zigbee currently. looking to grow my zwave network though. QF-KELP and Ender have just put me at ease quite a bit about building a solid Zwave network in my house

[green carbon]

Oh. Where's your zwave hub located in your house? Central? or is it on an end or in a closet somewhere

[tidal bronze]

In a corner. In the garage.

[green carbon]

😄 that makes it even more awesome

alright. zwave is awesome. thanks

[forest edge]

lol at ease till you get the bill

[green carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/supertroopers-little-guy-wouldnt-worry-gif-17147609

[forest edge]

My farm house still has the gas lines in the walls for these. They were NG tho and not propane I think. https://youtube.com/shorts/C806jq0hLI0?si=EuwBziL9oB8ACUql

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-stressed-study-racoon-stressed-gif-19033566

[ocean oar]

Is that like a camping lantern with radioactive mantles?

Also are they flued? Or just a nice carbon monoxide source?

[forest edge]

they were basically hurricane lamps but without the fuel. you pulled the glass off the top, turned on the gas and lit it then replaced the glass

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/oooh-chris-pratt-parks-and-rec-surprised-shocked-gif-14609379

[crisp oriole]

Email from my isp. Your Internet and wifi will go down from x to y.

Hell no my wifi stays up. And i can even voice initiate any music i want

[dawn badge]

in reality the people that understand the difference know its wrong and dont care. and the people that dont understand think thats right.

it bugs me that wifi has become synonymous with internet connection (at least in the UK)

almost as much as it bugs me that scroll up and scroll down have reversed meaning to a lot of people.
i sell someone to scroll down and they scroll up and i get annoyed. its because "swiping down" = "scrolling up" and they think scrolling and swiping are synonymous. they dont "move the view" they instead "move the page around their view"

maybe ill stop ranting now 😛

[keen edge]

I use scrollbars as a point of reference. if the scrollbar goes down, that is going down

Also its the most intuitive with a mouse wheel

[dawn badge]

yeah exactly this follows the conventional thinking. not this new "i only use a touch screen" mentality

[rich sphinx]

except if you're using a mac, the mouse wheel is inverted by default

[keen edge]

Another reason not to use a mac

<3

[rich sphinx]

I use Windows, Mac, Linux, ChromeOS, and Android

[dawn badge]

thats insane. has it always been that way or did it change to that at some point?
i dont use a mac nor do i ever plan to

[rich sphinx]

I think it's always been that way

[keen edge]

I use an orbital mouse to work anyway so idk if that would affect me

[rich sphinx]

Was the case on my 2009 MacBook

Nah Vewixx it's at the OS level. It can be changed though

it's the natural scrolling option (if it's on, scrolling up moves the page down, trackpad is shown there as I don't have a mouse connected but it's the same deal for the mouse as well)

[dawn badge]

having it as an option is fine but calling it "natural" and putting on by default is just plain wrong

[rich sphinx]

It does feel natural to me, at least on trackpad

But I can absolutely work the other way as well, as I do on Win and Lin

[dawn badge]

eh, maybe. i use a mouse for the overwhelming majority of my interaction to be fair

little bit of touchscreen on phone. i havent had to use a laptop in a while

[rich sphinx]

I primarily use my MacBook when out and about

[dawn badge]

if i had to use a laptop a lot then i would probably get a framework

[rich sphinx]

To be fair, this MacBook cost me £0

[dawn badge]

got it at its true value then 😛

[rich sphinx]

Mum had a spare MacBook so gave me this one (since when she let go from her last job, she was allowed to keep her formerly work MacBook Pro)

[dawn badge]

i make no secret that i dislike apple. but if it works for you then thats all that matters

[rich sphinx]

Mum has MacBook, iPad, iPhone, and Apple Watch. So yeah 😄