the-water-cooler

[rich epoch]

I'm currently attempting to DIY a replacement for Amazon Echo device... 😅

[pearl garden]

Oh thats interesting

[rich epoch]

locally run, private voice assistant with m5stack atom echo, ollama running qwen 2.5, along with wyoming-whisper and wyoming-piper running locally on my desktop...

I am not pioneering anything... simply following the path that smarter people than me have put down.

[midnight adder]

WLED is super easy tbh

[pearl garden]

Yeah from what ive gathered so far it doesnt seem to complicated

But even if it is. I love projects like this 😄

[midnight adder]

my next projects for ESP are: mmWave radar sensor with humidity and temperature sensor, figure out what to display on my plenty Liligy S3s with T-Display 😄 a scale! and erm ... finishing my WLED cable salad with all those PSUs

OMG... so much to do 😄

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzeready to go camping yet? https://giphy.com/gifs/l41Yp8HvXdUHMqgik

[midnight adder]

haha I have a big bag from TEMU here with like 100 items

thanks for reminding

[rich epoch]

UGH

had my atom echo working, now it is offline and won't respond... wtf

[midnight adder]

same here 😄

I abandoned it for now

[rich epoch]

I tried messing with it in an attempt to get it to be the mic, but have a different speaker as the output... 🤦‍♂️

[pearl garden]

Have you tried turning off and on again? 😄

[rich epoch]

lol

[pearl garden]

As you can see I work in IT Support 😄

[rich epoch]

I did manage to get it reset and install the correct package again. 🙂

I made sure it was plugged in... dang it!

[pearl garden]

Nice ^^

😄

Is there a 45 degree LED Channel?

Not that the light should be angled at 45° but rather for a 45° corner. If you get what I mean 😄

[lone dagger]

-# pst, btw, we have #the-workshop for hardware convos. :3

[pearl garden]

Albright will make Sure to Post there in the Future ^^

[lone dagger]

No worries at all, I see you're new here. 😄

[white hare]

alot of smart bulbs out there, any one knows good deals going on right now for zigbee smart bulbs? and what happens if the switch gets turned off, does it come back to last state?

[rich epoch]

anybody know how to trigger automations from a voice assistant? I have been smashing my face against a wall all day...

voice assistant being local voice assistant pipeline using qwen 2.5 as conversation agent, whisper and piper, with an open wake word on an atom echo.

the sentence trigger in automations doesn't work

looking up intents, but documentation is really hard to grasp

[lone dagger]

I just posted a thread where you can find those deals: https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1305621029976018984

Or even ask for help finding a deal. 😄

[lone dagger]

Ah, you're using an AI agent. External conversation agents can't be used to trigger those. https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/automation/trigger/#sentence-trigger

External conversation agents such as OpenAI or Google Generative AI cannot be used to trigger automations.

[rich epoch]

😵

[lone dagger]

Yeah, I know, I ran into the same problem this weekend.

lol

I set up Ollama locally and realized I couldn't do things I wanted to.

[rich epoch]

is there a way to first use qwen 2.5, then fall back to a built in voice assist for some things?

[lone dagger]

Not right now. I am not 100% sure on this, but I think it's being worked on.

We're doing a lot of work around voice because of the thing we may or may not be working on.

[rich epoch]

well, I think the work being done around voice is amazing, and I love it so far. I only wish I could digest the knowledge faster. lol

[lone dagger]

SAME

What it's really teaching me is that I need to make sure my entities have good names.

[rich epoch]

ugh, I have been STRUGGLING with that.

[lone dagger]

What I have been doing is asking the agent to do something and if it doesn't work I adjust the way the entity is named so it will work with my natural speech better. I bet I can do stuff with intents, too, but so far I don't need to.

[rich epoch]

I just started a post in voice-assistants for this... I included a video where they did trigger automations from voice. I have no idea how... but it does seem possible. (11:29 in the video)

https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1305684040581648477

[lone dagger]

I have ONE automation set up to specifically trigger on a sentence.

It used to be set up when a button is pressed on the dash, but I changed it to trigger when we say "turn on party mode". But I am back to the regular Assist agent right now.

[rich epoch]

I'm really hoping that this is something that is on the development priority list. it would really help with replacing the Alexa Routines... 🙂

[forest edge]

shouldn't this technically be under #the-workshop ? even with that said, this should really be it's own temp chat channel imo that way it just shows for everyone on the main listing on the left

[lone dagger]

No, it goes where I want it. And also #community-updates.

😛

[forest edge]

till you made that post above I didn't know that exsisted lol

[lone dagger]

It's hours old.

lol

I also shared it in #the-workshop here: #the-workshop message

[forest edge]

well thats why I said, even with that said

I would have missed that as well

I don't know if I should look for a wifi smart strip or something zigbee based

[forest edge]

wow wifi it is.. the zigbee based ones all look like complete crap lol

that top comment made me laugh https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/m4bfii/when_a_plug_covers_the_outlet_next_to_it/

[rich epoch]

I use a 6 inch extension cord for power strips and oddly shaped plugs.

[forest edge]

yea they call them oulet savers on amazon

less than a foot long

kind of shocked they don't make them even shorter than that

[rich epoch]

could always make your own. Bulk prices are pretty good (assuming you need enough). lol

[quasi peak]

so whats wrong with Tuya stuff?

[lone dagger]

They’re hit or miss.

[quasi peak]

so just cheap crap not like they have a catching fire or something problem

[lone dagger]

Correct. 😂

[quasi peak]

you never know

[lone dagger]

You have to have strong WiFi network to have them work consistently. That’s my biggest complaint with my Tuya lights.

[quasi peak]

I once got a free batch of power tools being tossed out by a company, turns out they were recalled because the batteries would randomly catch fire

nice tools, I still have a few

[rich epoch]

That's a hot deal...

[quasi peak]

but I accept that they were free, and that if i break one, its not the end of the world

but i got like 12 different drills

[rich epoch]

3rd degree burns compliments of <un-named company>

[forest edge]

stick to JUST zigbee and everything should be ok

[quasi peak]

should LED strips be getting warm?

[rich epoch]

I use Zigbee, Z-wave, and some wifi... but for sure prefer Zigbee

[quasi peak]

I know my lamps are always warm but...

[forest edge]

leds produce heat like everything else

[rich epoch]

Yes, LED strips get warm. I put mine in aluminum channel for both light diffusing effects and heat sink effects.

[quasi peak]

my walmart brand LED bulbs generate almost none

they read almost IR neutral

this TUYA LED strip however...

[forest edge]

turn them on and recheck

[quasi peak]

mama mia

i have, they are little tiny light red dots on an otherwise blue field

the tuya strip is a solid line of bright orange

[lone dagger]

I tried to make dinner but the salsa jar won’t open. I need to wait for my husband to come home from the weed shop to open it.

It’s supposed to go in the beans.

[distant junco]

Slap or stab it.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/tantrums-throw-toss-cast-smashing-gif-15188767

[lone dagger]

I did the smack a knife handle on it, smack it on the counter, AND handed it to my 10 year old on the off chance that he might be able to do it.

[forest edge]

they make jar openers lol

[distant junco]

If you stab the lid the vacuum should disappear. Maybe your jar is different than what I think of though.

[lone dagger]

We’re convinced it’s sealed with dark Magic.

It’s just a glass jar with a metal lid.

[lone dagger]

Why did my phone capitalize magic lol.

[quasi peak]

I made a jar opener out of one of those crappy tools

its a handheld chainsaw

[forest edge]

here comes santa clause here comes santa clause... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CN1SWP4V

[quasi peak]

replaced the chain, welded som grip to it...

reworked the motor for torque not speed

was fun

[distant junco]

Yeah then I'd just stab it with a screwdriver or a knife I don't care about.

[iron granite]

You could just break the glass

[lone dagger]

We all know I’d cut myself and probably eat glass somehow.

[lone dagger]

This is hilarious lol. Love that you did this.

OH MY GODS HE CAME HOME AND JUST SLIGHTLY TWISTED IT AND IT OPENED WTF

[rich epoch]

run the lid under hot water = expand metal

uh... how long to exposed entities take for DIY voice assistant pipelines to recognize?

I added a few lights, and I can type to assist to control them, but not speak to control them "it doesn't appear there are any lights with that name"

[distant junco]

The trick is to stab with two hands. Hold the knife with one hand on top of it, then gently slam your hand on the other hand.

[dire cobalt]

How do I get the url of the photo I upload to media section?

[rich epoch]

you may need to be more specific...

[dire cobalt]

I found it in the file browser too but cant get url...

[rich epoch]

this may be helpful: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/how-to-form-url-for-media/609622

example: if the image is at: \\<HA_IP>\config\www\images\myImage.png
you'd use the path: \local\myImage.png

[lone dagger]

We did this, too.

[rich epoch]

We can all agree here that you clearly did all the hard work and your husband simply completed the remaining 10%. lol

[lone dagger]

He opened it and goes, “Thanks for loosening it.”

[rich epoch]

giving credit where credit is due

[dire cobalt]

Doesnt work for me :/

[ocean oar]

I find these things are quite effective: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00634DSMY
(or just use the crown cap opener hook on your can opener, if it has one of those)
Bend the lid enough to break the seal on the jar

[lone dagger]

Y’all see why I keep the husband unit around, he’s quite useful. He’s also tall and can reach things.

-# But I still have a stepping stool.

[austere anchor]

And he’s (probably) voice controlled! Pretty convenient.

[lone dagger]

[mild canopy]

anyone else's zigbee2mqtt stopped working after last update?

[brisk fox]

I would like to add the min & max values to the silder (number) entity such that the values are shown next to, or under, the slider itself.
I looked up the slider-entity-row in HACS, but that does do what I want.
Is there another card that I can do this with?

[golden wing]

Anyone know of a matter-over-thread relay similar to Shelly 1 or Sonoff Mini?

If there isn't one available I can just use Shelly but I'd like to build out my thread network whenever possible

[ocean oar]

Wow, that does seem like a yet-to-exist market

I found one dimmer, no relays

https://smartguys.com.au/product/hauslink-matter-over-thread-dimmer-puck-relay/

(and the same device with 2 other different brand names on it)

[golden wing]

that one looks real nice having an external antenna like that

[ocean oar]

Probably a good idea for something that'll be stuffed inside a wall

[golden wing]

i just want one for my garage door opener lol

i've got Inovelli switches on the way for my lights

[rocky grove]

Anyone here have an idea on how to automate turning stove/oven/range knobs?
So far, I only found these two smart devices, Vertical Smarturns and Ome Smart Knobs:
https://www.tochtech.com/store-smarturns-vertical/
https://www.omekitchen.com/products/gen-1-smart-knob

[clever mortar]

You probably want to ask in #1284966353798697001 with the recommendations tag

[desert cave]

yaay.. now all my cameras are properly fed with microSD cards

[iron granite]

Well fed cameras are happy cameras

[forest edge]

Holy hell those look dangerous

[desert cave]

I may be blasphemous, but IMO there is a very short list of things that should not be automated

[hearty palm]

for some reason my home assistant server isnt starting up?

it says [warn] home assistant cli not starting jump into emergency console

[iron granite]

#1284966540617449515 might be able to help

[hearty palm]

thx idk why this happened never had this problem before

[oak bear]

Wild Question maybe in the wrong place, Got Aqara p2 motion sensor no aqara hub , so just connected up to my zigbee network fine, does anyone know if there is a way to set its cooldown lower ? without the hub / app ? by setting an atribute in zigbe?

[fathom sparrow]

Create a post in #1284966617670881350

[mental peak]

/config # wget -O - https://get.hacs.xyz | bash - wget: bad address 'get.hacs.xyz'

help

[fathom sparrow]

create a post in #1284966582375813201

[forest edge]

stupid squirrels chewed through my abs sensor wire so had to break out the soldering iron which reminded me I need to get myself a better one.

[solar zealot]

https://vxtwitter.com/FFmpeg/status/1856078171017281691?t=nAv8UufoO5f-eAt1ZXpa2g&s=19

Lmao

[midnight adder]

and later they say "nooo not encoding – decoding!"

sooo... can you improve a decoding quality?

[last cedar]

A better squirrel?

[forest edge]

better?

oh better soldering iron

[last cedar]

Haha

[midnight adder]

"a squirrel"

that cable was probably in the way for further inspection by a racoon of the safety of your car

everything alright tho besides the abs cable 😄

[midnight adder]

wow... Germany gets a new law for software manufacturers ...you can now sue them when a bug caused your business to shutdown etc. pp. (exception open source)

that'll be fun for lots of manufacturers (and one-man-devs)

maybe everyone will now say "open source or no contract" 😄

[red rock]

Sounds interesting to code that is partly open sourced

Say a pycharm or intellij

There are probably more examples

Docker desktop?

[midnight adder]

Homeassistant? 😄

[red rock]

Because who is going to prove the bug happened because the closed source part is doing something weird or is it because the open source part is doing something weird

[red rock]

I mean we are fully open source

As in, the dependency for cloud is open source

The cloud itself kinda is iirc

It's not that a release is shipping closed source proprietary code

[midnight adder]

thing is: it has some cascading effects in the law ... when you can't find the dev you can sue the next one in the chain

[iron granite]

I'd not be surprised, if such a law proposal would suddenly be canned.

[clear ferry]

I just was a presentation on DEFCON24 with a guy named Petro and I thought it was @fathom sparrow but then I remembered he can't even migrate to home assistant container

[fathom sparrow]

Make supervised fail and I'll switch

if it ain't broke, don't fix it

[clear ferry]

Have you tried rebooting it ?

[midnight adder]

everybody has been waiting for it tho

[clear ferry]

[fathom sparrow]

Ya, works like a charm

[clear ferry]

ilu bro

fyi presentation is here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNpM_l5l0sE

[iron granite]

You remember when Munich switched to Linux and open source software in general?
And how they switched again to Microsoft products - and suddenly the MS headquarters has not been moved away from Munich.

[midnight adder]

yes yes

[red rock]

Watch me

[clear ferry]

Speaking of munich, one of my favorite robot chicken shorts

https://robotchicken.fandom.com/wiki/Laff-A-Munich

[static schooner]

brb

[pulsar hemlock]

not support but just a quick question, does copying everything in the homeassistant docker config directory backup everything when moved to a new install

[static schooner]

yes

[pulsar hemlock]

thanks

[clever mortar]

That has to include all the hidden files and folders 😉

[static schooner]

see, now you're providing support :). BTW, "question" and "support" are the same thing

even if it's a "quick question"

or a "survey"

[last cedar]

This is a job for server rack raccoon. AKA Rackoon

[lone dagger]

[coarse horizon]

The Aqara U300 is finally good now. They have more options for auto lock including disabling it altogether.

So I disabled it and all my automations run through only HA now.

[dire cobalt]

Anyone here using Studio Code Server? I think the file system is glitched because I can't seem to get the proper file url when I move things or delete stuff. It still uses old url locations...

[forest edge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/I10YSu_C7lc?si=Ixcze6eyU5uYL-IT

[last cedar]

Looks like it has seen some marshmellows

[forest edge]

Racoon graves disease.. it's a growing trend.

[vagrant glade]

It would be really nice if automations could be made using Python instead of trying to "code" things in YAML. I'm fluent with Python and I hate YAML with a passion.

[clever mortar]

You can

[vagrant glade]

Would require the existence of an API that automations could use to access state, entities etc as well as register triggers and actions.

[clever mortar]

There is such an API

There's also a native integration

[vagrant glade]

I have not seen anything like that!

[clever mortar]

Look at the developer docs

[silent dove]

Python Scripts

Instructions on how to setup Python scripts within Home Assistant.

Documentation

View the documentation

Quality scale

:house: Internal

IoT Class

Unknown

Integration type

integration

Source

View the source on GitHub

Issues

View known issues

[clever mortar]

Look there too

Don't look at AppDaemon

[vagrant glade]

I'm not looking to make full integrations, just some slightly more elaborate automations.

[clever mortar]

Head over to #1284980040940912641 and people can help if you explain more

[vagrant glade]

Cool. Let me read those docs first.

Still a lot of YAML though.

[clever mortar]

Then write your own AppDaemon replacement

[vagrant glade]

How hard can it be?

[clever mortar]

Exactly

[vagrant glade]

An afternoon, tops.

Ideally I'd have a bunch of files in a dir and HA scans the files upon startup, calls an init() function if present and that function would register the automation to the proper triggers.

[clever mortar]

Well... that'll never happen as triggers are for HA's automations, not Python things

[vagrant glade]

Sure. Note "ideally".

[clever mortar]

But your own external thing... that can do whatever you want (within itself anyway)

[vagrant glade]

Yeah. But I think these scripts allow me to do what I want. The automation trigger has to be YAML, but it's just a motion sensor and not too many lines of arcane magic. My script can then do the fiddling with the intensity and color temp for a few lights.

[clever mortar]

Do check out Adaptive Lighting

[forest edge]

with the exception of weather there is like no normal news anymore. it's all meltdown ridicule

and wtf am i seeing euro and au taking part in this shit? don't you foreigners have other stuff to do? lol

[solar zealot]

Shush, we watching reality tv

[deft pewter]

And it would be funny if it weren't so depressing.

[forest edge]

Glad to know we are your reality lol

[rose escarp]

Got into HA a few weeks ago, pretty good stuff 🙂

came from another platform 😛

[fathom sparrow]

which one

[rose escarp]

Domoticz

[fathom sparrow]

Don't know much about that one

[rose escarp]

Well it's fine for what it is, but HA Is just a biter nicer/sleeker etc

setting up everything took some getting used to, but now its running fine

[fathom sparrow]

oof, well that's because it's written in C++

just checked it out

[rose escarp]

yeah i was writing my own plugins in Python lol

[fathom sparrow]

open source is typically severely limited in features when that's the main language cause so few people know the language anymore

[rose escarp]

yeah

for my custom entities in just use a helper and a markdown card ;P

works fine tbh

[rose escarp]

to be fair, domoticz has still got a pretty big user base

[fathom sparrow]

well yeah, users usually eclipse developers

[rose escarp]

oh for sure

[fathom sparrow]

but that UI looks old and outdated, typical of a c++ lib

looks like a early 2000's UI

[real frigate]

Domoticz is widely used in the EU. You rarely see anyone using it in the US.

[rose escarp]

didnt know that

[forest edge]

checked it and openhab out prior to settling on HA... f that lol

[real frigate]

back when I played around on the forums, you'd see it pop up all the time and people wanting to get off it onto HA and I'd say most of the time it was someone in the EU (or sometimes a few other places). I don't think I've ever run into someone running it in the US at all.

[peak slate]

People don't use c++ anymore?

Lol that's new to me, though I don't even use that, just straight c

[real frigate]

lol not if they like themselves 😉 hahaha

[fathom sparrow]

it's not common

[peak slate]

I guess it might not be common when most people just need a little Python script, but it's very common in certain industries where performance matters

[rose escarp]

was pretty ok to switch to HA for me. I had a lot setup trough MQTT so that migrates easily

[peak slate]

I still wouldn't write a large codebase in Python though, that's just masochistic

[rose escarp]

it's pretty slow as well i'd say

[fathom sparrow]

heh, hearsay

[rose escarp]

lol

[fathom sparrow]

people always say that, however my last company wrote a full on motion controller and it was as-fast as the C++ counterpart

to prove to the higher ups in the software department that it's bullshit when people say python is slow

Not only is that motion controller still used, it pushes millions of XYZ data points through it without any loss.

And it's easier to hire developers for it

[rose escarp]

n=1, that's not proof 😛

[fathom sparrow]

it's enough to show that the whole trope "python is slow" is bullshit 😉

[peak slate]

The wife's old job was working on a supercomputer, that was all c++

[rose escarp]

depends on the usecase

probably

[fathom sparrow]

especially after the 3.11 and 3.12 cpython rewrites

[peak slate]

Not going to move petabytes with python and run all the distributed memory with that

I work on embedded systems, Python would be lulz to use in that case, just wonder how badly it would work (it wouldn't get off the ground either just because of requirements for the system)

[fathom sparrow]

the motion controller is an embedded system 😉

the "pyhton is slow" is really overstated

maybe in 2008 that was true.

[peak slate]

(side note I took an hpc class and one student wanted to do a project in Python, the professors response was "the p in hpc stands for performance" which was hilarious)

[rose escarp]

hm

i'd think you'd have a hard time writing code for i.e. an AtTiny8 in python 😛

[peak slate]

I still wouldn't write a large application in it, compiled strongly typed languages really do make a difference when it comes to working on large code bases

[fathom sparrow]

You can make python strongly typed and it will compile in a similar way

[peak slate]

Our embedded system has a 100% code coverage, fully deterministic requirement

No dynamic memory anywhere

[fathom sparrow]

see last response

[peak slate]

Wedging it into a box that it doesn't belong in

[fathom sparrow]

🤷‍♂️

seems like you just don't like python for reasons

[peak slate]

I know Dropbox did that, turned their entire codebase to strongly typed python because it became completely unmanageable

I mean, I use it for my little scripts here and there, but yeah I refuse to use it for major work

[fathom sparrow]

I use whatever tool gets the job done myself, they are all practically the same just different syntax. I will avoid memory management like the plague

[peak slate]

We'll agree to disagree on it

I think the best bet for my system to avoid memory management is rust, but that's not approved for this use case

People's lives being 100% relying on it working makes for some stringent requirements

[rose escarp]

i had an internship at a place they programmed firmware for boiler and heating systems

that was all done in assembly

because it's 100% time critical

don't want it to go boom 😛

[peak slate]

Dang, that sounds like some rough code to read, I'll stick with vxworks as my operating system even with that being pretty obscure to use

[rose escarp]

oh yeah it was some obscure dialect

i forgot

was like 20 years ago 😛

well more like 15, but still

im not running many microcontrollers at home atm

some ESPs but that's cheating

i have a AtTiny8 to control some neopixel LEDs

[peak slate]

I wrote a custom component for esphome in c for some of my devices, one of those I converted to a multi thousand line yaml file, the other was just rewritten in the more modern custom component method for esphome, still all c

[forest edge]

interesting. Gemini is apparently writing code for you when you search for something that could be part of the answer

[peak slate]

I couldn't get the c methods working with esphome for the one so instead of being nice and short and compact, it's a behemoth

[rose escarp]

lmao

[forest edge]

been looking for something to possibly test all possible ir codes that might work on a heater i have and google spit this out at me at the top lol

[rose escarp]

this was when i couldn't find my Atmel stk board

didnt know u can program them from Arduino IDE

[peak slate]

Lol I wonder if it will work, or if it'll be more time for you to debug than to have just written it your self

[forest edge]

no idea. wasn't planning on testing it out lol

[rose escarp]

and how would you know which ones work? 😛

[forest edge]

good question. I thought maybe by doing it in chunks and when I came back to check if a heater setting was changed I could at least narrow it down

[rose escarp]

hmm yeah

or find a way to detect if something changes

[forest edge]

I can't figure out a way to do that lol

that be nice but don't seem possible

[rose escarp]

how can you see if something changed?

display or ?

[forest edge]

yea there is a display

[rose escarp]

put a camera on it 😛

some OCR

and bob's your uncle

not overkill at all

[forest edge]

setting up something with a camera just to detect a change would take time in itself

[rose escarp]

yeah

what kind of display is it?

[forest edge]

cheapo lcd

[rose escarp]

hmm k

sad

if it was a segment display you could probably hook into the signal to see what is going to be displayed 😛

[forest edge]

if I went that far I would just say screw that and by pass trying to control through ir and instead use something like an esp or shelly uni

[rose escarp]

or that

an IR Led is cheaper probably 🙂

or find an original remote

and copy the codes

[forest edge]

oh i spent hours looking for that lol

[rose escarp]

oh yeah i can imagine

i always loose stuff 😛

[peak slate]

Can you find the remote on ebay

[forest edge]

bad thing about one off products bought at walmart etc

[rose escarp]

what heater is it exactly?

maybe my logitech universal remote supports it

then i can get the codes for you 😛

[forest edge]

Comfort Zone

[rose escarp]

it needs a model number

that's no guarantee it's gonna find it tho

[forest edge]

try Cz2011c

[forest edge]

this is what it looks like

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpPGjYFKMsxMUofFvM8wF2_XyM8D6Bk84hbpTF23FIi2Unz2oGnsypyTdPf11c7xWw2c9iKUR4YOl9erhZzSSBCiCQHVRhjqlfFrOkCgSQA6m_id_Dom57

[rose escarp]

it has thse functions

[forest edge]

yea

[rose escarp]

i can't extract them from the app tho. i gotta find an IR led lel

crap

i should have a few

[forest edge]

is what is in black the available codes? and grey no codes?

[rose escarp]

nah

they just not assigned by default

to the remote

afaik

the black ones

[forest edge]

oh i see

thats kind of funny that logitech would have those codes

[rose escarp]

they probably copied them

i'll have a look later today.
Should be able to capture the codes

and just printt hem to console

nothing to fancy

[forest edge]

if you happen to lift those DM me. cause I cannot find them anywhere online

[rose escarp]

will do

[forest edge]

heater was given to me by someone and it's what I use to heat the garage up enough to tolerate being out there through winter. I have it on a smart plug but the damn thing defaults to off when powered and I have to go press the on/off button to get it to fire up

been trying to automate that forever lol

[rose escarp]

haha

These look like ir receivers to me lol

k gotta do some other stuff, i'll hook ip to an arduino later

[last cedar]

2 parent and 1 child ir detectors, clearly

[forest edge]

I use an rm4 pro to turn on/off all kinds of shit in my house. thing works so much better than I thought it would

[rose escarp]

clearly

[forest edge]

sure hope the android air tags take off.. be nice to have something like that for us non ios users

[fathom sparrow]

As long as proper safety precautions are added

[forest edge]

what do you mean

[fathom sparrow]

they were used by stalkers when it they first came out

apple put in a ton of precautions built into the iOS to let other users know that an airtag was following them

[peak slate]

Airguard can be used on Android to search for the those trackers following you, and is released to studies around stalking from a university

I think Google has some built in functionality too at this point for the apple ones and some of the third party ones

[forest edge]

lol no shit?

[deft pewter]

Yes, they reciprocated as part of the Android tag launch. Goes both ways now.

[forest edge]

I will say the android versions look much bigger than the apple ones but then i only seen them in a video

[fathom sparrow]

Yep, this is why people can't have nice things 🤣

it was like the first thing it was used for

not tracking something like your car, tracking someone else's car

[forest edge]

well it only did any good if the person being stalked used an iphone

thats assuming that a notification popped up regardless if that person used airtags or whatever anyways

[fathom sparrow]

it does

[static schooner]

yeah, it pops up an "Unknown Airtag is following you" or something similar

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/2T9m-fj8K9c?si=9EzIcloDOBieZoiK

[peak slate]

Nope, because every other iPhone they went by would report their location too

[dawn badge]

i beleive you can make it beep to help locate it, although if someone wants they can just desolder the buzzer and then you can essentually do nothing except look for it i guess

its funny when people think its security to help them locate a stolen thing. the thief will get the notification and then disable it. or move it to somewhere else so you go on a wild goose chase.

[forest edge]

I think the batteries in those last for a really long time too. the android ones according to the video i saw are only like a month or something

[dawn badge]

yeah apprantly airtags last long enough that its practical to seal it up inside something to make it hard to find and disable

people could always buy trackers and put them on people/cars etc... what apple did was reduce the barrier to entry. for stalkers to use. i think its a terible product with more downsides than upsides. although i admit to disliking all apple products

[static schooner]

I would say 6 months to a year or so

[fathom sparrow]

I agree, however I do like apple products for phones, less tinkering. Do that enough with HA

[forest edge]

iI see them used to keep tabs on outdoor cats and people even hide them on thier trailers etc in the event of theft

the whole concept is really neat and much cheaper than the alternative

although not as reliable either

they have to be within bt range of an iphone to work

[fathom sparrow]

I had a samsung back in 2012, bought a new one in 2014ish and the fucking settings weren't transferable. Returned it and moved to iphone because my wife's upgrade was seamless and just transferred all settings in under 10 minutes.

[forest edge]

lol samsung.. bloatware amped

[fathom sparrow]

yah, I was super pissed at the time that I would have to re-set everything up

cause I remember it taking 8+ hours

[forest edge]

once I got a pixel I can't go back to those other companies.. just can't do it lol

[fathom sparrow]

I've heard they are good

I've also heard andriod transfers settings now, but at this point, i'm so in-bed with apple, it would be a pain in the ass to switch

[peak slate]

But not all the settings

[dawn badge]

i remember android being pretty smooth for a long time now but maybe back then it was a little worse. i dont use my phone for much beyond basics so have had cheap ones in recent years. a moto g5 power i think it was then now i have a xiaomi.

[static schooner]

I just activated an old iPad Air with the latest compatible iOS release (iOS 12.5) and it still populated everything from my iCloud account. The only annoyance is that some newer things aren't compatible and it popped up some "you have an old device that doesn't support some of this cool stuff" messages 🙂

[peak slate]

It's like random which ones are backed up and transfer seamlessly vs the ones that aren't

Some app configuration moves, some doesn't, some app data moves, some doesn't

[dawn badge]

get out the garden! jokes aside, if it works for you then it doesnt matter what other people think

[forest edge]

that new senior mode for iphones looks neat.

[peak slate]

I'm an android user but I still hate Android

[fathom sparrow]

Oh yeah, I know. I'm just explaining why I even got on apple in the first place

[peak slate]

But I also don't want the walled garden of "you're holding it wrong"

[fathom sparrow]

I was def an anti-apple guy at the time but watching my wife spend less than 10 minutes getting a new phone... was eye opening

[dawn badge]

lol i remember that, left handed people shorted out the atennas

[fathom sparrow]

That whole thing made me even try using a Mac

I still don't like Macs

[static schooner]

the same thing that you found with the iPhone applies to Macs as well

[fathom sparrow]

I'm sure it does, but I don't really have to configure a computer

[dawn badge]

macs are over priced for the hardware.

[forest edge]

nothing justifies the price tag

nothing

[fathom sparrow]

Very true

that and the mouse scrolling on a mac can eat a fat one

[static schooner]

sigh, you guys are lost causes 🙂

[rose escarp]

ok

let's see

the receiver is working

[peak slate]

Today's apple worthy meme is the magic mouse charging port on the bottom

Better hope you don't need to use it when it's charging

[dawn badge]

day to day: i am a windows user but thats mostly because i play games and i dont want to duel boot. i am sure i could use any OS for the majority of stuff. servers are linux though

[fathom sparrow]

I tried a mac on multiple occasions, I just can't get used to it

I'm pretty open minded when it comes to tech

[dawn badge]

you seen the latest mac mini? the power button is on the bottom at the back. you litrally have to pick up your computer to switch it on

[rose escarp]

Lol

[peak slate]

Lol I thought it was a front bottom switch, still dumb not not necessarily as dumb as the bottom on the back

[static schooner]

I never use the power switch 🤷

some of the complaints about Apple just seem silly and nitpicky

[peak slate]

I use the power button when I need to turn my computer on

[dawn badge]

the excuse for the mouse is that if it could be pluggd in then people would leave it plugged in and thats not how apple want it to be used or seen. its a enforced fashion thing

[peak slate]

Which while not often, I still power out off for vacations and hurricanes

[static schooner]

"memeworthy" is a good term as it often goes along with "silly, but meaningless"

[peak slate]

Sounds like people are holding it wrong again

Lolol

The apple pencil charging

That was another good laugh

[forest edge]

almost tempted to try a switchbot just to have an excuse to buy one but don't think I have anything that can yeet a bt signal to the garage lol

[peak slate]

Have the entire pencil sticking out of a USB port to charge

[dawn badge]

for balance, i will praise apple for 1 thing: apple tv made the "For All Mankind" tv show. they get high marks for that. eeven if it was just hiring ronald d moore

[static schooner]

you know they don't do that anymore?

it's wirelessly charged through a magnetic mount

[peak slate]

That's much better

But like the holding it wrong, Apple does plenty of stupid design decisions before they make something right

[dawn badge]

use a shelly device to act as a bluetooth gateway. not done it myself but apprantly it works well

[static schooner]

I'll stop being the resident Apple apologist

[forest edge]

oh I forgot about that. wonder if the older shelly 1's can do that

[peak slate]

Didn't their new laptop keyboard also suck, not sure if the newest generations fixed it

But for a while they were pretty well hated

[forest edge]

I have an holder shelly controlling my garage door lol

[dawn badge]

no idea, but worth having a bash if you have one laying around

[static schooner]

Yes, "fixed" since like 2018

or 2020

[peak slate]

I apparently don't follow Apple very much

I'm just a few years behind

Now when can I side load apps on their phones

That's what's keeping me from leaving the dumpster fire of Google Android

[dawn badge]

then they put the cpu 1v line next to a high voltage backlight line on a ribbon cable. so if it gets knocked on the wrong way it fried the cpu

[dawn badge]

its the least worst option 😛

[peak slate]

If I could sideload on Apple, then a good third party foss app store would win me over

That way I get away from googles squirrel chasing and incessant product killing

I still don't know why they prevent me from uninstalling the pixel buds app, and pixel stand, despite having/using neither of those products

They're as bad as Samsung for bloatware now (or at least as bad as the last Samsung phone I had, the S2, which was pretty dang awful on bloatware)

[dawn badge]

i have been using linageos for years now. which takes alot of pain out of android bloat

if i have to buy a new phone then linageOS compatability list is where i start

[forest edge]

supposedly the shelly 1pm can do it but I think it's refering to the newer models. would the setting be under internet and security or settings? do you remember?

[peak slate]

Yeah that's the problem I have, if I have to install a different OS on my phone to make it useful, I might as well buy a different phone

I just refuse to deal with that mess of a process (which may be better now, but was a massive pita last time I tinkered with one on a pixel 5)

[static schooner]

I thought Android would be freeing and cool because you can root/customize it so much, but I found that the Samsung GS3 I had way back when was a minefield of bugs and crapware

When I actually tried to use all that awesome customizability, I found that it crashed all the time in random ways and you essentially break whatever coherent ecosystem the phonemaker tried to build

[dawn badge]

depends on the device. but if you look in advance then you get look into it.

[static schooner]

as a device to hack on, I'm sure it's fine

to store my life on it, I need something reliable

[dawn badge]

i try and use the mantra of "use but dont depend on" gotta ask yourself what would happen if xyz account was suddenly switched off

[peak slate]

Until phones are as easy to install an OS on as a PC, I'll use it 100% as an appliance, if the features aren't there, then I should've picked a different appliance

[fathom sparrow]

I've yet to run into a BSOD on an iphone. I've helped my family (all of them) with various renditions of andriod and gotten it MANY times.

[dawn badge]

thats a fair enough position to take

[fathom sparrow]

FFS, my sister had it the worse, whenever she removed her phone case, the fucking phone would sense buttons being pressed and move it into a boot menu. One of the options is wipe phone!

WHYYYY would that be so easy to get into

[dawn badge]

i cant say i have ever had the issue but as mentioned i would say i am a lighter user of a phone compared to alot of people

[peak slate]

I do hope they get to that point at some time, a bios like system to have one build work on all phones

Rather than every individual device needing a special build

[dawn badge]

its not usually that easy. you gotta hold specific buttons for many seconds

[dawn badge]

whilst i in theory agress its not practical because then either the image would be huge or you would have to install drivers

[peak slate]

Yeah, and arm cpus are basically all unique to themselves, no two being similar enough to share a build

I have problems with arm in general due to that

But a guy can dream

[dawn badge]

arm serves a purpose and it does it pretty well.

[peak slate]

Makes a decent appliance

[fathom sparrow]

Take a phone case off your phone

it's like 3 seconds, if you have those hugging phone cases, it's pressed every time

even iOS has a slider that says "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS" with the multiple press buttons

instead of just doing it and going into a boot menu

[dawn badge]

yeah i can see it happening, its just I dont every really take my phone out the case much specially when its off

[fathom sparrow]

I can't remember why my sister was doing it so much

[dawn badge]

it does seem odd but everyone has specific use cases

[fading surge]

has anyone called a script with fields from javascript before? it seems to not accept anything i pass it besides entity_id and the documentation on the wiki is poor

[rose escarp]

U mean trough the rest API?

[keen bridge]

That sounds like a question for #1284965988642590891

[white hare]

I learning HA, not sure where to ask this question, its about how to setup automation/notification of OpenEVSE, first i need to figure out how to setup ID or configure it in YAML to add to intergration. this document but I don't understand it https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/openevse

[iron granite]

#1284966582375813201 might be able to help

[white hare]

i got it to display and says charging.. but I can't figure out how to do an ID

ok, Thanks

[fathom sparrow]

Are you using call service under the hood? Are you calling it via the script as a service or script.turn_on?

[dawn fern]

is there a way to disable ipv6 fully in HAOS? i'm having some repeated connectivity issues popping up and i want to rule out any ipv6 routing weirdness happening

[iron granite]

#1284966540617449515 can help

[fading surge]

Got it working thank you had to use a different callService method, found it using the source code, another reason HA is awesome, open source

[pallid nest]

Anyone get this to work? I can load the page but it keeps telling me my login failed. Changed password, not using a Social SSO, still not working. @chrome steppe

[iron granite]

That's something for #1284966582375813201

[pallid nest]

@iron granite Well, it's not connected to the integration at all. This is still at the step of trying to make a PAT. When I try to log in to the connect-pat site, it tells me my login fails. Seeing if anyone else has had luck, or if they are stuck like they were when you responded in the message I replied to.

[real frigate]

I had the WORST time creating a PAT. Took me like 5 or 6 (thousand) tries to get it working.

[forest edge]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/cd3d9ae4183e5ad9768da11b854a1543/7a11505ef5ceb77a-a4/s540x810/2468d5133030c9203ff4b8596de8d4dc55bd6f5b.gif

[iron granite]

I just watched the first episode of the second season.

[forest edge]

yea same. glad it appears to be as good as the first season so far

although some of the music choice are a bit off

[tidal bronze]

MINISFORUM any good?

[ocean oar]

I like my MS-01, can't really speak to any of their other products

The only real downside I've hit so far is it doesn't support UEFI capsule updates, so if you need to do BIOS updates they're a frustrating manual process.

[vagrant glade]

Did you mean this one: https://github.com/basnijholt/adaptive-lighting

[hollow glacier]

[distant junco]

https://github.com/community-scripts/ProxmoxVE/discussions/237

[tacit raft]

using HA on docker, so i don't have addons, because using truenas as as my OS (for a NAS) so didn't go for HA as OS. was wondering if there's a website with all the addons to browse? and see if it's worth me trying to figure out some way to get

[late urchin]

is the current hue bridge the bridge 2?

[chrome steppe]

The page loads for me. Sorry I’m not allowed to you that here. I’ll make a post in the forums

[acoustic heath]

A huge loss to the community. I doubt I would have gotten HAOS running on PVE the first time without his scripts.

[late urchin]

aww nooo

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze uh oh, guess you got caught. https://youtu.be/uTV6GwbOQPI?si=Q6yl4CQBkFfMSIWk

[clever mortar]

GitHub - basnijholt/adaptive-lighting: A...

[nimble mulch]

Hi to all,
newly released webrtc feature is it for native camera integration? It is not clear from release notes

[crisp oriole]

Any native that talks webrtc i guess.

[fading surge]

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/animated-weather-icons-svg-for-all-dark-sky-values/150702
did anyone happen to download this icon pack before the website went down?

[nova snow]

Hello Community! I am working at the university and wandering is Home Assistant good for automating a group of objects like makerpsace and 2-3 auditoriums, for example. Thoughts?

[clever mortar]

I mean, it's good at automating

So, probably yes, depends on the constraints and expectations

[forest edge]

in luck i kept the original that has the static ones as well

[fading surge]

awesome thank you

[forest edge]

actually what I uploaded might not be the same as what is on the post. these were used for dark sky tho way back when

what jparthum posted looks a little different. what DavidFW1960 posted a little further down is what I just uploaded

heh been awhile since I looked up weather icons. many of them were paid but I see that sparked some people to release a bunch of free ones now lol

[hollow orbit]

i need help understanding docker volumes and storage in WSL and Docker Desktop. please do not flame for using WSL lol. for context, i spun up an ollama container with -v ollama:/root/.ollama . when i run docker volume inspect ollama i see /var/lib/docker/volumes/ollama/_data is the mount point.

i intentionally moved my docker desktop 'Disk Image Location' to S:/WSL/ (a larger drive) I intended for these ollama models (and other container volumes) to be stored. and, indeed, this drive has a ~200GB .vhdx drive in the desired location - so this is what i intended, but not what i expected based on my current (mis)understanding.

i thought the disk image location would store the container data and images in S:/WSL but not necessarily the volumes.

can somebody tell me what's going on here?

[iron granite]

#1284966915055288530 with the "Ollama" tag might be able to help

[tender prism]

Not here

[hollow orbit]

thanks, this question isn't ollama specific it's more about docker. which channel might you recommend?

[iron granite]

In that case #the-workshop

[forest edge]

where was that black friday thread or whatever it was again?

found it

[iron granite]

https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1305621029976018984

[forest edge]

had to post in there to keep it on my side bar

[forest edge]

too much work

[tender prism]

Reading all those GIF's here is a lot of work too

[forest edge]

heh waiting for someone to post the myq bf deals in there

[keen bridge]

Did y'all see that The Onion bought Info Wars? 😂
https://theonion.com/heres-why-i-decided-to-buy-infowars/

[static schooner]

Funded by Sandy Hook families, who got money from Alex Jones. It's chef's kiss

[peak slate]

I had to double check that I wasn't reading it in an onion article

[rose escarp]

Is it just me or is spotcast pretty slow :p

I created some custom sentences. It works fine. It just takes like 8 seconds total

[tender prism]

Or just click on follow post...

[forest edge]

#the-water-cooler message

[tender prism]

Just tryn to annoy you..
I went to the thread and saw the ".", was annoyed, so repaying the favor.

[forest edge]

amazon is doing a good enough job at that already.. 10 stops away, 8 stops away, 12 stops away, arriving tomorrow by 9pm, arriving today by 10pm

[dawn fern]

anyone know how to output home assistant docker logs to a file on HAOS? docker logs homeassistant > error.log produces an empty file even though tons of logs show on screen when i type the command

[mortal walrus]

docker logs might be printing to stderr, in which case you'd need to use 2>

[iron granite]

If that doesn't do the trick: #1284966540617449515

[dawn fern]

thank you! that helped

[dawn fern]

i already have an open thread there, its not getting any responses

[iron granite]

If you have an open thread, please do not crosspost it here

[real frigate]

The docker logs are the same as the home-assistant.log file. I'm not understanding why you need to docker logs out when you have the same file already in your mount point.

[dawn fern]

the thread topic is not about error logs. i'm simply trying to get error logs to help diagnose my original issue

[iron granite]

And this is not a support channel

[dawn fern]

ok i guess better for me to wait a few more days for my support thread to continue to be ignored rather than ask a simple usability question on how to get logs so i can try to figure out whats going on myself?

[iron granite]

How about using #the-workshop and not a channel where the first words of the topic are "There's no support here"?

[dawn fern]

the docker logs being output using the log command are not the same as what's located in home-assistant.log. i have no idea why. i'm getting like almost 5000 lines from docker logs homeassistant and only a few hundred looking at home-assistant.log

[dawn fern]

fine, makes sense, i didnt realise that channel would be more appropriate

i'll see myself out

[mortal walrus]

you have to get to the second sentence of the topic of #the-workshop to get to "without things being support focused" :/

so yeah, not the first words.

[dawn fern]

well, jorg's right actually. i totally missed this lol

[forest edge]

noone ever reads those

[mortal walrus]

that is why they put the "There's no support here" first - in some discord uis, that shows up in the top bar without expanding the topic.

[iron granite]

That means, quick questions (like "how can I get output in a file") are fine. If it is a more complex problem (especially HA ones), the forums in the support section are the place to go.

[forest edge]

the whole focus when entering a channel is the very bottom.. not the top so that one liner that starts the discription is overlooked so eaily

not sure about mobile but on desktop

is too easy to miss lol

no support her? who?

[lone dagger]

Closed as B Y D E S I G N.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-eyes-steve-buscemi-big-eyes-gif-11491116276663604660

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/me-yes-maam-gif-25053222

[mortal walrus]

anyways, i was explicitly ignoring your support forum thread since from the topic it wasn't really something i felt like i'd be able to help with, despite the fact that i was immediately able to answer the most recent question you had in it :/

[iron granite]

Meaningful topics are important

[mortal walrus]

the topic was meaningful for the overall question, and still is - their home assistant docker container is crashing and they're trying to figure out why. I still can't help with that.

I just happen to know some bash syntax as to why their command wasn't doing what they expected

[dawn fern]

lol well, i'll take any and all help i can get, thanks for chiming in as you did. got my logs sorted anyway.

[mortal walrus]

this is the sort of thing for why i'm not really a fan of separating out individual support requests to threads in a chat environment; in a chat, people can step in and help when they see something they know as it comes up without having to monitor every single thread individually.

the threads do have an advantage for questions that take longer to answer, or require back and forth with an expert in a particular area, tho.

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-boy-here-we-go-again-oh-dear-omg-alright-then-gif-20490490

[tender prism]

The advantage to the forums is then people that want to snipe, toss in insulting gifs, and want to be disruptive aren't going to look to help others. Mostly the people that want to help do.
If you want to be insulted there's always /r

[fathom sparrow]

looks through post history in water cooler... pages and pages about threads dating all the way back to 9/16/24

give it a rest dude

[forest edge]

what happend to 9/23? lol

[fathom sparrow]

I went back further in the post history

I was lazy the first time only went to page 3 of 5

but it's 5 full pages of complaining about the new forums, with 1 or 2 messages about FFMPEG

we get it, you don't like it. move on

[mortal walrus]

prior to the forum switchover, i was active almost exclusively in other channels, like zigbee, matter, thread.

[fathom sparrow]

that's great, if you don't like it, don't use it

👍

[mortal walrus]

just saying that my chat history in this channel isn't a good representation of what i do on this server, where i do help people out in support topics i'm familiar with, and used to chat on other topics when there were spaces suitable for those.

[forest edge]

now you gotta bounce between #1284966353798697001 and #the-workshop lol

or i guess #1284966617670881350 too

[fathom sparrow]

it's not representative, however this is not bitch-about-forums, this is the-water-cooler. The first line even mentions only chill, so.. chill

[forest edge]

oh where is the #bitch-about-forums channel.. i wanna go troll there

[static schooner]

#botspam

[fathom sparrow]

I even got it started for ya

[forest edge]

that's not right it looks just like this channel...

now that the yellows have fallen for thier own trick...

[iron granite]

You should not expect to get support when crying in that channel.

[forest edge]

watching the amazon driver drive around my neighborhood and not in my neighborhood in real time via the tracker is annoying

[iron granite]

New stuff to play around with?

[forest edge]

no it's garabage but i got other crap to do so figured i'd wait just to bring it off the porch

[real frigate]

Leave it for the raccoons to play with.

[forest edge]

that 10 stops away etc must be based off range cause it had said 8 stops away but then switched to this

[solar zealot]

That's when you know it's a drug business

[real frigate]

Amazon AI lol

[static schooner]

when you have to pay the Amazon dude and pick up your package around the corner 🙂

[forest edge]

your welcome rest of the country https://youtu.be/SOrDz_3Sw9U?si=J7U8eDbBRScJhocC

[tender prism]

Using AI's to tell them if it worked or not.

[forest edge]

Scalpers having to resell the ps5 pro for a loss is hillarious

[solar zealot]

Id consider upgrading but there is no gta6 for it yet :P

[forest edge]

they just dropped another trailer for that not too long ago

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104

[solar zealot]

The alternative release is the third part of the ff7 remake

[peak slate]

First time? I'm still waiting on half life 3

They first announced it being worked on what... in like 1905?

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-half-life-2-gordon-freeman-crowbar-realcool27-gif-18008032247282433826

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-2-g-man-smirk-smile-smug-gif-7973971944599751538

[solar zealot]

It's called Alyx but yes

Definitely one of the most refined vr games

[peak slate]

I should probably find a non-vr mod for that and play it at some point

I did play episode 1 and 2 and the lost levels from hl2

[west solstice]

Is there a way to setup an automation for a temperature sensor to fire the automation with any temperature change (either up or down) and even better, either up or down to the nearest degree? All I see are thresholds but I want to manage the threshold in a more complex fashion using conditionals in the automation...

[iron granite]

#1284980040940912641 can help with that

[west solstice]

Thanks Jorg - is there no chat forum anymore for issues or conversation anymore? Not asking to cause issues or be disrespectful...other Discord's like ESPHome have a chat channel to post into to see if you can get a more immediate response. I would typically post on the HA Forum if I wanted a forum-type conversation.

[iron granite]

There’s no support here - only chill.
Interrupted by traces of drama and/or raccoons

The support channels have been moved to forum style

[west solstice]

Maybe I'm not understanding DIscord as well though

[weak musk]

check out #find-support

[delicate oxide]

Hey, whats the best way to hear about upcoming launch parties videos? I keep watching them after, but its one of the few things I'd like to see live? Im just that geeky

[weak musk]

ping @lone dagger and ask her if there is a launch party

-# jk don't do that

[west solstice]

Got it - appreciated...I don't use DIscord for forum interaction - I use it typically to connect to dev's and tackle more complex scenarios via chat. Either way, I'll post or figure it out.

[weak musk]

that's literally what the forums are

real time chat

with devs and other experts

but organized

[west solstice]

Ahh - ty Ender for the clarification

I'll give it a shot and see how it works

[iron granite]

Here on Discord they are usually announced in the events section.
The streams are (usually) on release day at 8 pm UTC.

[real frigate]

The #announcements channel has upcoming live streams.

[iron granite]

Not the release streams, just the release notes

[keen bridge]

The developer website has a calendar for releases so you can know what day it is. But if you subscribe on YouTube (and click the bell) it will notify you.

[delicate oxide]

I am gonna do the subscribe, thanks all!

[real frigate]

Ohhhh... I thought it also handled the live stream announcements too. My bad.

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/subscribe-my-channel-gif-23248645

[lone dagger]

Rosemary got you sorted - best way is notifications on YouTube. But we also post them in Events here in Discord.

Socials tend to get content pushed when it’s set up, too.

[delicate oxide]

We are tinkering with the idea of doing those inside our company on software releases. but we don't have the charisma

[west solstice]

Well that was embarrassingly easy - ty again Jorg and Ender for the guidance (and RobC for the resolution)

[lone dagger]

lol as long as you got people presenting stuff they are excited about, things go well.
-# English is hard.

[urban viper]

We're deeply saddened to hear that @tteckster, a prominent script developer who made running Home Assistant on Proxmox much easier, had passed away earlier this week. We wish his family all the strength as they process this loss. ❤️

[glossy oak]

should HA survive an IP range change? (in my case from 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 to 192.168.178.0/255.255.255.0 because I got a new router from my internet provider, and forgot to check that)
I've some integrations that reconnected automatically (like Hue), and some that didn't (Denon and Shelly).

[clever mortar]

HA itself will, if you're using DHCP

Some #1284966582375813201 wont

[sterile sleet]

wanted a way to detect co2, and now i fell down a rabbit hole of looking at sensors that can do so much more but are priced so differently for features, that i have analysis paralysis and wont choose anything

[forest edge]

#1284966353798697001

[sterile sleet]

It seems like one of the more reasonably priced

[neon swallow]

One of my philipps hue bulbs started shimmering when turned off last night. It's a very dim yellowish shimmer that flickers from time to time. It only turns off when I cut the power to the lamp. Is that just a sign that the bulb should be replaced? It's like 5 years old now. It's just one spot out of 3 in that lamp.

[grizzled gull]

grumble my virtual machine isn't accessable, can't tell why, been thinking about going docker instead of HAOS guess this will push me toward that

to be fair, I'm not trying that hard to figure it out

[real frigate]

What's you definition of "useless"?

[mortal walrus]

that's something that might be fixable if your vm host can give you a console on the machine, but the way the distro is set up is kinda unusual so you might need some help from folks in #1284966540617449515 to figure out what went wrong :/

[real frigate]

Yup. It's dying.

[neon swallow]

Alright, I guess ~5 years is a fair life span of a smart bulb that was constantly on power. Getting a new one then

[grizzled gull]

my VM host is stopping at the UEFI shell, not sure its even home assistant, I'm perfectly ok going to docker though, its been on my mind for a while

Its the only VM I run

[mortal walrus]

aw. dang, some sort of boot variable breakage or maybe hard drive corruption in the vm then, that's unfortunate :( if you get a uefi shell it might be possible to manually boot it.

[grizzled gull]

I like tinkering and thsi is my first ever setup, so there's a lot of not so ideal setup that I don't mind wiping out and starting over

[forest edge]

shit you don't look at or need?

[real frigate]

Right... get that. Just wondering which ones they think is useless.

[forest edge]

I dunno but I got to scroll down 3 full rotations for my apollo just to reach the bottom of the list

what am i? a tire?

[real frigate]

psi is the standard measurement that ESPHome uses (for some reason). Just edit it to be what you want. Disable the entities that you don't need.

[mortal walrus]

that's an unusual unit, imo, but atmospheric air pressure is a pretty standard climate monitoring measurement.

not sure how useful it is indoors

[forest edge]

so you get a heads up before your head implodes

[mortal walrus]

it always amuses me that the air pressure sensor in phones is often sensitive enough to be able to tell when you go up or down a floor in a building by the air pressure change.

[real frigate]

The only reason it's exposed is because the chip exposes it.

[forest edge]

back to the useless comment..

[real frigate]

So, disable it. I don't see what the problem is?

[forest edge]

i'm just defending the comment lol

[real frigate]

lol sure... but... here's the funny thing... initially, a LOT of the entities were disabled by default and some of the "louder" people didn't like that. So, now they are all pretty much enabled.

So, bitch and moan, but bitching and moaning got it to the point it is now.

[forest edge]

I don't care either way but you asked what the definition was and i attempted to answer it lol

[real frigate]

Gotcha... yeah... this is in the same vein of "Why aren't all the entities excluded from recorder by default?". Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[forest edge]

they could have made that a ui switch tho imo

[real frigate]

They still might, but yeah, I get it.

[forest edge]

they state it was calibrated but you should calibrate that yourself using your normal outside air

and yea, mine has two temp sensors on it and one is wild apparently from heat off the chip itself

[mortal walrus]

are they exposing the internal temperature sensor of the soc? that would be kinda silly.

[real frigate]

Yup, but that's a known issue with ESP attached temp chips in general.

[forest edge]

the one thing I use on this thing the most is the buzzer lol

I would like to use the led but it sits behind me so that's out lol

attach it to an air vent lol

[mortal walrus]

that's pretty annoying. i guess that would be down to bad physical case/hardware design which isn't isolating the temp sensor and exposing it to outside air :(

[real frigate]

It's almost impossible to isolate the temp sensor in the AIR-1. It's already bulky as it is.

[forest edge]

co2 is seems pretty sccurate

accurate

[mortal walrus]

SEN55 - that's the temp sensor built into the sensiron SEN55? documented as typical accuracy 0.45°C on the temperature :/ but it is kind of a weird bulky multi-sensor unit.

[forest edge]

unless you live in LA it should be pretty close

[real frigate]

My VOC has been very accurate.

[forest edge]

use it to tell you that you are 3d printing?

just how close are the house cleaning supplies is to you?

voc should not be a concern imo

unless you are doing something that produces it lol

[forest edge]

thats why i said what i said above

[real frigate]

I don't understand where the "yesterday" is coming into play?

[mortal walrus]

looks like the sen55's temp/humidity sensors are in the airflow path (intake side) from the fan used for the particulate monitoring, so it should be getting a good temp reading as long as the intake is clear and open to the environment.

[real frigate]

But that's all that VOC is? the CO2 and CO is what you should be measuring.

Or the PM sensors.

[forest edge]

unless you drive a mini, then co2 is something to carefully watch

[real frigate]

Yeah, but VOC is a calculated reference.

The PM sensors along with the CO sensors are what you should be monitoring.

Move the sensor then.

[forest edge]

I think the co2 thing is a bit overrated too

my room door is closed, no open windows and the sensor is right behind me. only time it goes over 2k is if I simulate being in labor

ugh another day of waiting for the amazon delivery person

[mortal walrus]

fwiw, they have an explainer sheet on their "VOC index" here: https://sensirion.com/media/documents/02232963/6294E043/Info_Note_VOC_Index.pdf and yeah, it's not an absolute number, but is a weird rolling average thing designed to estimate "would a person be able to smell something"

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/fart-gif-4964837

[distant junco]

Seems kinda fake to me.

[mortal walrus]

there are some tuning options available for the sen55 - adjusting the integration time to a longer period (default is 12h, but they recommend 72h for indoor air quality monitoring), increasing the "gate" period on high voc detection (default is 180 minutes - after 3 hours of high voc, defined as index >=230, it decides this is the new normal and starts adjusting the relative scale). tweaking those settings could probably make it a fair bit more useful for monitoring 3d printing.

[forest edge]

they need to make a zigbee sensor that replaces the standard door magnetic catch

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/oFyzJnTdolU?si=bIAm-L0kE5hkkT0R

[reef stream]

is aliexpress real with aqara stuff?

[keen bridge]

Probably

[reef stream]

da fack they so cheap

ill buy the whole site then

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/bullish-bullish-af-buy-buy-moar-crypto-gif-4023638677059070706

[reef stream]

but actually, is it at least 90% secure?

i dont want to wait weeks to only get scammed ahahha

[lone dagger]

A lot of people buy off that site knowing they could get scammed.

That is indeed a risk.

But you can say the same about Amazon and Etsy now.

[reef stream]

imagine 6 weeks of waiting to then get scammed

[forest edge]

sometimes it's like older models of the same product

[keen bridge]

6 weeks?! It's here in 10 days for me usually

[forest edge]

I haven't ordered too much from aliexpress yet but not been burned yet

[reef stream]

damnnn

i never used aliexpress...

my friend told me he waited usually weeks for stuff

[keen bridge]

It'll tell you the estimated delivery window when you look at products

[forest edge]

are you in the US?

[reef stream]

yes NJ

[rich epoch]

and other times it's knockoffs.
I found a site with really REALLY good prices on Lego sets, and it turns out, while they all look and mostly work like lego, they are knockoffs.

[lone dagger]

That’s why it takes forever.

[forest edge]

well coastal might not be too bad. i'm midwest and yes I have to wait weeks

[reef stream]

i mean here i would buy all the products da fack
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1102246589/pages/all-items.html?productGroupId=40000003722151&spm=a2g0o.store_pc_home.pcShopHead_2003404970913.1_2_0&storeId=1102246589&sortType=bestmatch_sort&shop_sortType=price_asc&SearchText=&shop_filterType=

[lone dagger]

Rosemary is in the UK.

[forest edge]

even had one thing take over a month lol

[keen bridge]

Just make sure it's not "Aqara Tuya" or anything with "Tuya" in the name, I've noticed an increased number of listings with both in the title and they're always Tuya products trying to get a wider market.

[reef stream]

the link i sent above its like the "official" aqara store so dunno

[forest edge]

oddly enough aliexpress has some warehouses in the US so some things could actually be pretty quick

[keen bridge]

It's the "Aqara Global Store", not necessarily official 😉

[rich epoch]

I've bought from alliexpress before and had luck. it's just difficult at times to tell which specific hardware version you're getting

[reef stream]

exactly, but still i dont think its tuya no?

[keen bridge]

I've never bothered limiting myself to one store, it all tends to get collected at one or two local warehouses and then shipped together.

[reef stream]

ok lets take an example, what would you guys say about this one, cop or not cop? https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804539313369.html?

[keen bridge]

It would be nice if you could strip all the tracking stuff off the URLs before posting them. Everything from the ? onwards is unnecessary

[reef stream]

oh didnt know ok

[rich epoch]

Different topic question: Anybody in here know of a "simple" way to export all entities in my homeassistant instance? I'm hoping it's possible to export to a CVS or Excel spreadsheet... something like:
entity name, friendly name, alias, area, integration

[forest edge]

that might be an older model. dosen't look like mine lol

[keen bridge]

But I have about 20 of those sensors around and they work great for me.

[rich epoch]

same ^^

[forest edge]

when in doubt compare the images.. usually people at the bottom show what they got in the reviews

[reef stream]

the one i sent?

https://www.amazon.com/Aqara-MCCGQ11LM-Window-Sensor-White/dp/B07D37VDM3?ref_=ast_sto_dp
isnt this one?

[keen bridge]

Yeah, it's the same one

[reef stream]

so you think that link of aliexpress is valid?

like i could actually just buy like 5 times for 1$ each one?

[forest edge]

why is it so big? is that an older model?

[keen bridge]

They show up as £6.38 each for me

[reef stream]

yeah, the new one is like rounded right?

[forest edge]

smaller

[keen bridge]

They failed to realise that the phone would imply scale, it's not supposed to

[keen bridge]

My prices include the import taxes

[reef stream]

so should i go for it?

[forest edge]

yea maybe. swear the magnet on mine is skinnier

[mortal walrus]

honestly looks the same as the pictures on https://www.aqara.com/en/product/door-and-window-sensor/ to me

[keen bridge]

This is the closest one I have for scale

That's the top of a set of French doors

[reef stream]

i mean yes, it can look as the same as much as you want, but how do you know the actual product will be sent hahaha

especially if its just for 1$ ahha

[keen bridge]

You can complain to AliExpress if you get the wrong thing

[forest edge]

it will be like a 10 buck shipping fee

[keen bridge]

But at $10 for 10 I'd take a chance

[reef stream]

what does that mean?

[mortal walrus]

you're almost certainly going to get packaging and documentation inserts in chinese, but that doesn't mean it's the wrong device.

[keen bridge]

It would be a good deal, and if it doesn't work out you get a refund so it's not going to cost you anything

[forest edge]

meaning it's 10 bucks for 10 sensors.. it's worth the risk lol

[reef stream]

oh really? aliexpress does it? oh ok

[reef stream]

wait where 10$ for 10 sensors ahhaha

[keen bridge]

You can complain to them, and they should handle it. And if not then you do a credit card chargeback

[forest edge]

you said it was a buck a piece

[reef stream]

oh yes but they are not in the same order, i would need to do seperates orders you know?

cuz 10 pieces bundle would be 78$ instead

[forest edge]

check shipping.. may wanna do 1 order lol

[keen bridge]

Add 10 of the 1 piece ones to your cart?

[reef stream]

yes like 10 orders of one product

[keen bridge]

No, that's not 10 orders

[grizzled gull]

Just going to ask this before I pull the trigger , cc2652p or cc2674 for zigbee2mqtt, if I get no answer I'm fine but there's active folks there lol

[reef stream]

i mean one order with 10 quantity

[keen bridge]

It's buying 10 lots of 1 product vs 1 lot of 10 products vs 10 orders of 1 lot of 1 product...

[forest edge]

lol i don't think ali will let that happen

i think the price dynamically changes

[reef stream]

wait it doesnt allow me to add multiple ones in the cart

[forest edge]

actually I wonder if it would charge a seperate shipping fee for each item

[reef stream]

its grayed out, cant add more ahah

[forest edge]

they just want you to sign up and order something so they can flood your email with "pair with what you purchased" emails

it's no joke

I get them all the time

[reef stream]

its fine i will block them or smth

[stiff roost]

the welcome deal applies to one item only and only once per customer

[reef stream]

oh cuz its the welcome deal i see

[stiff roost]

if you don't checkout with the welcome deal at least once then they make you play a fun game of guess the actual price

cause even if you already have something in your cart with the welcome deal

they show the welcome deal price on everythinbg

[reef stream]

ahah i see i see

then ill get something more expensive

like the motion sensor

[stiff roost]

yeah

[forest edge]

this shows 2.50 for me not logged in

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806788456521.html

and 10.50 when logged in lol

[reef stream]

ahahaha

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806607750000.html?
ok getting this then

[forest edge]

@keen bridgedoes aliexpress do black friday stuff? I never looked before

[reef stream]

they should yes

[keen bridge]

Most places on the planet have hopped on that marketing scheme

It's not necessarily going to be cheaper than their other sales

[reef stream]

it went up to 8$

gad dammit

[forest edge]

does it make you feel like it's more legit now?

[reef stream]

yes

[forest edge]

good

lol

[reef stream]

1$ was sus

[forest edge]

if it weren't for the shipping time and cost sometimes I would order way more shit off that site

[reef stream]

well isnt the ship time the reason why they are so cheap too?

[forest edge]

no cause those across the pond get it within a few days

[reef stream]

oh true, yeah u said yours are really slow

i mean if they are all legit, they are still better to get them from there than amazon

[forest edge]

sometimes.

if you have amazon prime the free shipping can really tip the tide

[reef stream]

hows temu instead?

[reef stream]

through aliexpress?

[red rock]

Yes

[reef stream]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-cow-holy-cow-gif-25938150

[red rock]

They match my aqara coffee mug

[reef stream]

bro means business

[reef stream]

da fack is this now

[red rock]

a coffeemug

[reef stream]

nothing smart? ahahah

[red rock]

No

[reef stream]

[red rock]

I also have aqara pen and paper

[reef stream]

how much $?

[reef stream]

fan boy

[red rock]

107 euro

10 door sensors and 4 temperature

And now I am looking for a house to put them in

[reef stream]

not bad tho damn

[reef stream]

i am here with free spots

[red rock]

Hehe, met the people in Berlin

I already had 2 of each and I was quite enjoying the products

oh no I have 3 temperature sensors

theres one in the hallway

[reef stream]

is there a water sensor for outside from aqara?

[forest edge]

look into thirdreality zigbee

[reef stream]

whats that

got it

[forest edge]

I will say the water leak sensor from linkind is awesome

[reef stream]

i might need one for rain

[forest edge]

oh measuring

[reef stream]

yeah to know if its raining

[forest edge]

should really be asking this stuff in #the-workshop . risk angering the HA green user talking about this stuff in this channel

[reef stream]

@lone dagger is there like a automation ideas/sharing of people automations they have made channel?

so people can take ideas from others

[lone dagger]

No, but that’s because a lot of that currently lives on the forums.

[reef stream]

forum? discord forum?

[lone dagger]

No, Discourse forums.

[reef stream]

you have a link?

[lone dagger]

Ugh fine make me work

https://community.home-assistant.io/

Search is awful, but you should be able to find automations and scripts by lots there.

[reef stream]

under share your project?

[lone dagger]

Probably. 😅

@tender prism is a regular there and may offer better advice.
-# I’m an awful community manager. 🫣

[sweet dock]

i am a fresh user of Home assistant, any good tips and tricks for a beginner? :P

[real frigate]

Learn YAML 🤣 (kidding, but also, learn YAML)

Seriously though… ask LOTS of questions (even if you think they’re stupid) and do lots of searching here and on the forums. Theres lots of help here and on the forums.

[forest edge]

really only 1 company that makes a smart (open and close) vent for hvac

how is that possible

[real frigate]

I thought the same thing when I looking for some and finally gave up.

[lone dagger]

For real, ask questions. But when you do, focus on your goal first - not the outcome. Follow up with details on what you’ve tried.

[real frigate]

Supposedly someone sells some on tindie.

[forest edge]

gross.. two things pop into my mind.. it will either need to be plugged in constantly or the battery life will be short as hell lol

oh sweet found a second company

and it's zigbee

[real frigate]

You’re not wrong. I really wanted to do the whole open/close vent thing and finally just threw in the towel.

[forest edge]

yay

[real frigate]

Who is it? Keen?

[forest edge]

yes

[real frigate]

Trash

[forest edge]

flair was the other

[real frigate]

I don’t think flair had an integration, but I did try 1 keen a few years back and it was BAD

[forest edge]

flair is 915mhz

what was bad? battery life?

[red rock]

That sounds like tinder for indie things

[real frigate]

Hmmmm maybe I’m thinking about some other company then. These were WiFi I think. Can’t remember the name of them now.