the-water-cooler

[dusky plank]

Wtf

Thats not what a always on vpn is supposed to do

[glacial knot]

yea, if the destination host changes and doesn't have a way to reach your client it doesn't update the until you re-start to force new DNS resolution

[dusky plank]

Yall android peoples are crazy

It knows exactly which server because it instantly connects when I say so

[glacial knot]

yea, wireguard doesn'tw ork well if you don't have at last one side on a static IP, or both reachable without any NAT shenanigans to update the mapping

[dusky plank]

So thats not even reasonable

[drowsy berry]

i find tailscale doesn't have this issue because i always close it when i don't need anything off my services

[glacial knot]

DNS is a single network roundtrip in latency 🤷

[dusky plank]

Yea so the wireguard app can just fucking do it on its own like every other wireguard instance

Or vpn for that matter

[glacial knot]

none of my wireguard instances do that

[drowsy berry]

consider just turning it off and on again when it breaks

it's a small thing

[dusky plank]

No

Thats fecking annoying

[drowsy berry]

you're in the wrong hobby to be worked up over small annoyances

[glacial knot]

yea, i consider it a deficiency in wireguard's model
on desktop I at least know how to update without breaking the routing 🤷
on android I have to allow the leak for a moment

[dusky plank]

Alright then

Tasker it is

[glacial knot]

yea, I don't get the daily disconnect anymore
otherwise I'd probably set it up to turn it off/on based on whether I'm on my home wifi^^

[iron granite]

Maybe Wirequard would work through a Cloudflare tunnel?
That way the IP wouldn't change for the client. 🤔

Tunnel to the Wireguard server

[dusky plank]

Its not a reasonable behaviour, every other host has internal dns running until the vpn is running

[glacial knot]

that'd probably work. I think it just re-negoiates the connection when an unexpected state comes in 🤔

it's been a while since I read details

[dusky plank]

Android is the only instance where this happens

[glacial knot]

until

[dusky plank]

This is shite

[glacial knot]

Nope

[dusky plank]

Ios reestablishes commection,
Linux does,
Mac does too,
Windows also

[glacial knot]

In kernel at least doesn't if the IP changes

it can if the side that change IP can still reach the other endpoint, since that updates the mapping

[dusky plank]

The ip never changes bro

In my case

[glacial knot]

But it does't do any DNS either

then the android client also reconnects 🤷

[dusky plank]

It doesnt

[glacial knot]

dunno what you are doing wrong 🤷

[dusky plank]

Switches to off, stays off

[glacial knot]

i've never seen it switch off o.0
only ever essentially null-route

[dusky plank]

Other clients ignore dns fails

Thats what i see

On android 10 and 13

That may help

https://www.reddit.com/r/WireGuard/comments/nkn45n/on_android_finally_you_can_automatically_turn/

So it is a problem exclusive to android 😡🤬

Yall crazy

Long live ios

[glacial knot]

that post is utterly unrelated to the problem you stated

Which just isn't how any system i have behaves

[dusky plank]

Theres so many more posts complaining about it turning off on itself 😂

https://github.com/zaneschepke/wgtunnel even whole clients for that problem

[drowsy berry]

luv me walled garden

[dusky plank]

The original inspiration for this app came from the inconvenience of having to manually turn VPN off and on while on different networks. This app was created to offer a free solution to this problem

https://tenor.com/view/proof-nerd-gif-25901556

[glacial knot]

hm, the ony posts that show up on DDG are variants of null routing, or solved by setting it to always on so power management doesn't kill it 🤷

[glacial knot]

Soo, for something entirely different than your issue

[dusky plank]

I can‘t hear you over my SWAG

[iron granite]

The disconnect problem with a permanent VPN connection and enforced tunneled traffic is also present with that WG app. Just tested it

[drowsy berry]

okay let me know when you're done acting like a 14 year old...

[glacial knot]

iPHone users? 😂

[real frigate]

I resemble that remark 😉

[drowsy berry]

some of you act well, others...

[iron granite]

The WG app seems to do one handshake and hope for the best afterwards. On a disconnect it doesn't create a new tunnel

[glacial knot]

should do handshake if it comes back up on the same IP 🤔
But yea, part of the connection establishing is only done once

[ocean oar]

I love watching people discover Automate and realising how ass-backward Tasker's UI is, and how they could have had nice automation this whole time 😄

[orchid rose]

There's an alternative for Tasker? Calling what it had a UI is generous

[forest edge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/hQucijKTLEs?si=WSvSJuNbq2bbrDal

[drowsy berry]

thinking out loud about the fact so many SBCs these days have USB-C PD, and the possibility of using a PD-compatible charging station as a PDU in a miniature server rack

[forest edge]

that sounds like a waste of money

[drowsy berry]

a waste of money, maybe, but i wonder if it doesn't win on power density

[forest edge]

lol what? sbc's require very little power as it is. plus just how many you planning to have?

[drowsy berry]

could be a bunch, maybe if i wanted to do baby's first clustering
and using a charging station is more about having a bunch of PD-enabled charging ports running off one wall jack

[forest edge]

well if you are planning to put together a cluster, pi's are about the cheapest you are going to find and you would just use poe to power them

[drowsy berry]

mmhm
my mind is on the zimablade for the extra per-unit horsepower and the native SATA (though cost to power ratio might favor getting more pi5s for the same investment)

[solar zealot]

those are a very mixed bag of things

personally i wouldnt go for those, uses outdated memory, cpu selection is luck based and it being passively cooled

also the primary storage being emmc is very limiting

[drowsy berry]

mmhm
i mean i don't care about the limiting factors, they're not gonna hold me back for what i'm doing with my setup

[solar zealot]

its simply not a great value they offer

[forest edge]

what? the zima?

[solar zealot]

yes

[forest edge]

it's under 100 bucks and is able to power up to 4 sata drives with a pcie slot.. how is that not a great value?

is it a great value for like a frigate machine.. ehh.. I was able to get mine to handle 7 cameras but it did get toasty lol

[solar zealot]

its 80$ before tax without anything rocking a 2016 cpu

[forest edge]

the use case determines the value really

[solar zealot]

id not call that great value if you can get sff used for not a whole lot more

[forest edge]

we're talking fanless

[solar zealot]

it got an advantage on size and energy consumption limited by its output power

[forest edge]

generally people who want to go sbc want quiet with features

I think the zima is fine to where it's sitting price wise

[solar zealot]

id spend the extra for a latepanda

[drowsy berry]

you want it to sit and quietly do a small handful of things and be unobtrusive while it does so

[forest edge]

is it powerful? not really as you said.. but again use case determines value

[solar zealot]

also those dont come with a cpu gamble

[drowsy berry]

its also the sort of thing that if you move onto more powerful hardware costs almost nothing in terms of space for you to just sit on until you have a new mission for it

[solar zealot]

that just makes it wasted money

[drowsy berry]

outgrowing something doesn't make it wasted

[solar zealot]

its money you could use buying into something better in the first place in my opinion

[forest edge]

I kind of agree with @solar zealot on that. if your end goal is something bigger than don't waste money on a bunch of little sbc's.. they will just end up collecting dust

I have some pi zero's laying around collecting dust and like 2 rpi 3's lol

technology moves too fast and the shelf is kind of a forced direction with these things cause they can't keep up

i'm gonna be upset when the day comes my rpi4 can no longer handle HA lol

or my pi3 in the barn running HA

[solar zealot]

id benched all my pis already

[forest edge]

mine are being used currently till they can no longer but for roles that I would never replace with some 1L or something lol

i have an rpi b+ still playing print server.. things works like ancharm.. same sdcard in it too.. no issues after all these years

i even update it so it card does get written too periodically

[solar zealot]

good old sd cards, where they actually put quality flash in them and not just a hotglue microsd

[drowsy berry]

print server... i wanna get something containerized on my optiplex to run my printer

[forest edge]

I had to have it cause the ancient laser printer it's connected too has nothing but a usb connection lol

serial to usb I whould say

[drowsy berry]

i think the zimablade would have been cooler if they went the nuc 9 pro kit route

[forest edge]

the price would have not been as cool

[drowsy berry]

true

but like. the unrealized possibilities of something in that form factor

[forest edge]

dreams always make the $$ add up

[solar zealot]

nuc 9 pros went around 200 bucks for a while

[forest edge]

barebone?

cause otherwise I would think you were dreaming lol

actually after looking at the 9.. i think you got confused right out of the gate

I wouldn't invest in a nuc anyways

plenty of those n100 for cheaper are perfectly capabable

[solar zealot]

these kinda things

the 9300h one i think to remember seeing for around that price

[drowsy berry]

i checked ebay earlier tonight, 400 for new-in-box sealed

[drowsy berry]

yeah, the ones that you could stick in a PCI-E slot as a co-compute machine with a quick tape job over the contacts and a spare EPS power cable

[solar zealot]

like they werent bad choices as long as you didnt intend to plug in a gpu
later generations sadly ruined both the price and the efficiency

also they made them look like garbage

[drowsy berry]

thest things were intended for GPU usage actually-

could even throw a couple cards in them

[solar zealot]

yea on gen 9 you had the issue that there was no space between the air intake and the backside of an installed card

[drowsy berry]

ohhh

[solar zealot]

later ones leave an empty space and air duct

[forest edge]

if you want an external gpu don't go with that form factor period

way cheaper to get a small pc

[solar zealot]

but like they look terrible, were significantly larger and cost like 1.5k empty

[drowsy berry]

damn 😔

[forest edge]

I run an old dell mini tower.. it does not take up much space when you don't need a desk to go with it lol

[solar zealot]

funny enough you could get those with xeons for whatever reason

[forest edge]

you can pick up rack mounted servers with gpu space that are as old as my machine for cheap enough

[solar zealot]

oh if you want to go fanless, i remember zotac has a zbox line which does that

[forest edge]

and if you don't mind amd.. can grab that crap in bulk lol

[solar zealot]

loved that design, but the new magnus line also is funky

but price wise, welp the times are over to get those cheap

during gpu scalping time you could buy them without gpus for a couple hundred bucks

[forest edge]

if all you want is to run a plex server and a few docker containers to play around with. no desire to run cameras or host games etc. the zimaboard will do you just fine at a decent price.

if you want to plan to do more down the road, I would just get something with a n100 cause that could handle all that I listed above with no issues

at a decent price

those are two fanless options

[drowsy berry]

yeah no i have no plans for cameras or game hosting

i might run up a datahoard someday but i'm really not worried about that

i've got time to figure out what i wanna do on that front

[forest edge]

this guy reviews a ton of the smaller pc's including those that go for cheap as well as stuff that hasn't come out yet. worth a look just to see whats out there https://www.youtube.com/@ServeTheHomeVideo

no sbc's tho I don't think

[drowsy berry]

ik STH
its how i came to seek out my optiplex

turbo-hot take but 1L office PCs are basically just business-grade SBCs

[forest edge]

I always liked watching this guy for sbc's. https://www.youtube.com/@ExplainingComputers

but there is no one source that covers sbc's fully.. you gotta bounce around between like gerling or eta prime

[drowsy berry]

looove jeff

i think part of my problem is like. i don't really have the space for full-sized server hardware so i have to do weird things to get certain advantages

hence why i want to mess around with a USB DAS, because ya girl don't got the volume in her server for sticking a bunch of HDDs in it

[forest edge]

remove that middle shelf of that thing you linked before and a mini tower can fit in there and do everything in one machine lol

mini tower over a nuc for the drive space, full gpu option etc

one power cord

but it will have a fan

i slapped noctuas in my dell.. rarely do I ever hear it and it's less than 10ft from me

and it runs everything cept HA

[real frigate]

lol I had a full rack and everything. Downsized a lot to just a couple of towers, a few rPis and a couple of mini PCs. Just sayin…

[drowsy berry]

someone i used to talk to ran all of their smart home stuff on an entirely separate router from the rest of their homelab, mentioning something about the separation being better for safety or something

[forest edge]

I dunno about saftey but I run my HA on an rpi4 and not on my server cause a cheap ups can keep the rpi4 powered during an outage

[drowsy berry]

i saw someone make a pi5 NAS with a built-in UPS recently and that was neat

actually it might have been a pi4? id have to go find it again

[forest edge]

I don't share the same fear as these other nerds with using drives via usb but I still wouldn't use mine for a nas

[drowsy berry]

mmhm. those nerds are probably a lot happier now that the pi5 has usable pcie

[real frigate]

I can vouch for that and that’s how I run HA (and stuff) here.

[drowsy berry]

i think something that speaks to me is the cool factor of the rack-in-miniature that you really don't get with just making one big box that does everything short of being a router and access point

[forest edge]

yet you don't like the multiple plugs with that...

[drowsy berry]

i was sorta thinking out loud about that tho

[forest edge]

"why can't everything just be air powered?"

[drowsy berry]

like if someone wanted to do it, it's theoretically possible to do and that's kinda cool to me

using a powerdelivery charging station as a miniature PDU for USB-C powered devices

is it practical? no
is it an interesting idea i'd love to try out sometime? yeah, just to do it

[real frigate]

Ya know, that actually is kinda interesting now that I think of it. Or, a fully powered POE->USB-C hub with PD? That would be pretty cool.

[drowsy berry]

right???

[real frigate]

Damn you for giving me ideas!!! lol

[forest edge]

they make dc ups's

multiple ports

[real frigate]

Wait what?! Seriously???

[forest edge]

they are originally designed to keep things like your cable modem and router etc powered during an outage

[drowsy berry]

the problem is that a lot of them won't put out amperages that SBCs like

[real frigate]

Wouldn’t a traditional UPS do that though?

[drowsy berry]

so you'd have to kludge something together yourself

[forest edge]

traditional requires the whole plug brick that comes wwith the device

[real frigate]

Eh, all my Pis are on POE right now.

[drowsy berry]

throw one of these in the bottom of a 10" rack

[forest edge]

this is just barrel jacks and usb outputs

[real frigate]

Ahhhh true.

[drowsy berry]

as for POE stuff, if i get into it i wanna take it to its logical conclusion, and put as much on POE as the tech will allow

ubiquiti has a neat POE router, or at least they did at one point

[real frigate]

All my networking gear is UniFi and a lot of it is POE. All my cameras and my SBCs and APs and such.

[forest edge]

back to dream $$

[real frigate]

lol yeah, that too.

But, I will say, the UDM Pro with Teleport built in is a life saver.

[forest edge]

unifi stuff "looks" cool but I still read the hardware inside is still shiet lol

[drowsy berry]

unifi is the apple of networking lmao

[real frigate]

Eh, I’ve never had hardware issues with my UniFi gear.

[forest edge]

cause you had to buy one device for each task

[real frigate]

For the most part, unless I mess something up in the controller, it’s worked.

[forest edge]

like a rpi for every container lol

[real frigate]

lmao. Whatever. It’s not THAT bad.

[drowsy berry]

great aesthetics and great in-family features, but it's really expensive and to get the most out of it you have to act like it's the only show in town

[drowsy berry]

id love to get my parents set up on unifi

something that's hard to break but powerful and i can mess with it from wherever

[real frigate]

For me, it was the fact that I know UniFi will support my 100+ devices without a hiccup. I tried TP-Link Omada once and the prices were great, but the controller and SaaS were a joke.

[drowsy berry]

a hundred+ devices...

[real frigate]

Yup

[drowsy berry]

i think. even if i end up building everything i want i'll still have a couple empty ports on a 16-port switch

[real frigate]

I have a few empty ports. But I’m also running a couple 10gbe non-managed switches and such.

[forest edge]

? like what? what didn't any other brand no handle?

you talking purely from a remote access point?

[real frigate]

I tested Omada and whatever Netgear calls their managed stuff. Omada could probably handle the traffic, but their controller was a joke. Netgear was ok, but too corporate for my needs. I did think about Meraki as well, but monthly/yearly licensing? Screw that.

[drowsy berry]

yknow what. i think ive got a solid use for a zimablade, it just takes an add-in NIC: router

set it up and leave it and let it be a low-power router just kinda doing its thing

[forest edge]

why do you have over 100 wifi devices? that mostly iot shit?

you probably could have ran cable to every inch of your home for cheaper than the unifi setup lol

[real frigate]

@tidal bronze look. I found ice cream you can eat. 🤣

[real frigate]

Lights and other IoT stuff. Plus laptops and tablets and other crap. All my other stuff is wired.

[drowsy berry]

aaand that's why i wanna get my dad on a unifi mesh
he's got like four different wall-wart network extenders from four different companies in addition to the router, and it's painful in how janky it is

there's no wiring for ethernet and he's not gonna put the money in for a refit for wires either

[forest edge]

he prefers this style of ice cream.. https://craftingafunlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/00100lrPORTRAIT_00100_BURST20200719131915797_COVER-257E2.jpg

[real frigate]

Ew. That’s just gross. 🤢

[forest edge]

wifi iot devices do put a burden on your network lol

I think having thier own access point tho may have solved your issue

[drowsy berry]

ikr??? theres no smart home stuff but every TV has a roku and every. single. one of those things has its own gremlins

[tidal bronze]

Progress! Good stuff.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzehere. enjoy a sunday that won't make you fat. https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71ff-2z6s0L.jpg

[hollow glacier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69lK3RUiq-8

[tidal bronze]

But why?

[forest edge]

why save money?

[weak musk]

After selling meraki for years, I wholeheartedly agree with this. Screw meraki.

[drowsy berry]

once im fully out of this house i plan to never need more than 25ft of ethernet in a single run

[forest edge]

fully decked out cardboard box house?

[drowsy berry]

gentrified trailer tiny home

[forest edge]

i hear those go for around a mil in california

[tidal bronze]

Run 100 plus runs? OK Sherlock

[drowsy berry]

land with utilities is more the issue but 😭

[forest edge]

you speak as if every square inch of both inside and outside of your home isn't wired for speakers?

[drowsy berry]

oh no no opposite corner of the country. so almost all the expense, but none of the reasons to tough it out

[weak musk]

Fl?

[forest edge]

oh your in the heat bubble lol

[drowsy berry]

opposite diagonal corner lol

maine

winters so bad they name the snowstorms

[weak musk]

Love Maine

Even in the winter

[tidal bronze]

It is but still got around 140 wifi on unifi.

[drowsy berry]

oh yeah don't get me wrong it's gorgeous there's just a criminal lack of things to do most of the year

[weak musk]

Especially if you’re in gasp northern Maine

[forest edge]

see if you had just layed a cat7 or greater along side all of that speaker wire you could cut down on those wifi devices

[drowsy berry]

oh god yeah
im central maine, but being in an outdoorsy state kinda sucks when you're working with limited mobility

hence me wanting a tiny home so that everything in the house is closeby

[tidal bronze]

Wifi is not as important as audio runs.

[forest edge]

and this is why you eat cardboard

[drowsy berry]

wait why do you have audio cables running to every room and every exterior wall anyway

quel raison???

[tidal bronze]

I have a few speakers here and there

[drowsy berry]

for HA music player integration?

[weak musk]

What are you using for amps QF?

[tidal bronze]

Hmm no. Split between spotify and Music Assistant.

[drowsy berry]

ic ic

[tidal bronze]

QSC tail end with Yamaha front ends

[weak musk]

Sick

[drowsy berry]

oh thats kinda swagful

[weak musk]

I’ve got Yamaha powering my theater setup (with KEF speakers); I am looking at WIIM amps (to save on space) for the in home speakers

[drowsy berry]

i guess if i wanted individually-addressable room speakers i might try to find some way to run it over ethernet still

[forest edge]

don't get too excited. you know he just listens to yodeling with it

[tidal bronze]

DA conversion with about 18 chromecast audio

[drowsy berry]

like if i hit play on my phone and the home system kicked it over to like a pi that controls the stuff in that room

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/yodel-hey-jodel-gif-27258148

[tidal bronze]

I am Aventage fan for years

[drowsy berry]

for me, speakers in every room looks like just having bluetooth headphones on my neck gfdshdfg

[tidal bronze]

I do have in every space including bathrooms and every zone individually controlled. Outdoor is the hardest but got that dialed in now

[weak musk]

We’re an Apple Music house, so I have airplay 2 stuff whenever possible.

[forest edge]

what about under the water in the pool and hot tub?

[weak musk]

That’s a actual thing I think haha

[tidal bronze]

Hmmm the sub surface subs takes care of it.

[drowsy berry]

wiring the jacuzzi jets to spray in time with the music

[forest edge]

all you hear is thumps? weak

[tidal bronze]

I get in the water to enjoy water not decipher a scale in the dense

[forest edge]

no no it's ok. we understand your an audio novice. not everyone can afford the good stuff

[tidal bronze]

But honestly 3ft below subs will change what you think of bass when outdoors

[forest edge]

sounds like a poor person's house

[tidal bronze]

Indeed.

One day let me sketch up what I would run around your barn 😆

[forest edge]

too easy.. it has no bodies of water for you to get stumped on

[tidal bronze]

Gotta get ready for HoD.

[forest edge]

I can't watch any of that stuff till the woman gets back

or she will have my head

my plex is backing up lol

[tidal bronze]

Oh same boat.

[drowsy berry]

oh yeah there's certain rituals you just can't violate

like watching Your Show together

it's sacred

its how my bf and i watched death note and ouran

at any point i could have just finished both of them on my own, but i didn't, because it's something we were watching together

[tidal bronze]

Yep, good times. We got into it with dexter and GoT.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/rubbing-hands-dexter-dexter's-laboratory-smiling-happy-gif-3803739889161277523

[tidal bronze]

So sad that Netflix can't produce anything good.

[drowsy berry]

idk i liked altered carbon

netflix does have good stuff but not enough to justify the cost of constant access

[forest edge]

every once in awhile they do

[tidal bronze]

Their hit rate is horrible

[drowsy berry]

throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks

[tidal bronze]

Compared to HBO and Apple

[forest edge]

lately it seems like they are catering more for over seas than here in the states

I have noticed that

[drowsy berry]

which makes sense

disney+ carries cricket in india, which is an infinitely bigger and thus more lucrative market than USistan

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzegive that show called Evil a chance

[tidal bronze]

The new Alba movie, I want my 3 minutes back.

[forest edge]

3 body problem wasn't that bad either

[tidal bronze]

3 body was OK

[drowsy berry]

aside from the backstage murder scandal

[forest edge]

the woman still watches all these walking dead spin offs.. they been beating that dead horse in my opinion for a long time lol

thats not netflix tho

[tidal bronze]

One would this with their revenue they can do something like GoT or succession.

[forest edge]

i don't think HoD is nearly as good as GoT was

[tidal bronze]

Just the cheap CGI and $1.50 flame generators

[forest edge]

there is a line that something goes from worth the $ to not

like the lord of rings spin off thing

[weak musk]

Netflix used to be great

[forest edge]

it tanked

[weak musk]

Now it’s super hit or miss

[drowsy berry]

im so wary of game of thrones given how hit or miss each season purportedly is

im also very picky about my fantasy media lmfao

[tidal bronze]

It's by the season

[forest edge]

you not seen it all yet?

[drowsy berry]

nope

[forest edge]

it's worth the watch for sure

[tidal bronze]

S2E1 was a killer!

[drowsy berry]

that feels like an injoke lol

[forest edge]

yea some seasons were better than others but I think that is in part of them trying to fill gaps of the story

[drowsy berry]

making up for george's draft-dodgy plot holes?

[forest edge]

they tried to make it "make sense" which so many don't bother with

and making something try and make sense can actually hurt a show too

[tidal bronze]

So sad. Kevin is out. Yellowstone 🙄

[forest edge]

i'd rather deal with more boring parts to tie stuff together than watch this crap that comes out now where it's bluntly obvious they changed like the law of physics to make something happen or whatever lol

I spot inconstancies and convince parts in shows instantly. some of it urks me cause it makes the show unwatchable

[forest edge]

I didn't watch that. i did however watch the "best of" for that series which had all the good parts of it lol

[tidal bronze]

Oh you must.

[forest edge]

i dunno.. afraid everything in between would make me fall asleep

[tidal bronze]

Nopes. So well done.

[forest edge]

I need to go find me some dinner.

sure it will be something you are afraid to try @tidal bronze lol

[tidal bronze]

Come on man. Fire up the stove cook something. Eating that crap plastic crap

[drowsy berry]

me on my way to heat up a frozen stromboli in the microwave bc i didn't eat dinner at a normal time tonight

[tidal bronze]

Frozen? Heat up?

[drowsy berry]

eyah

screamin sicilian brand

nuking frozen strombolis at 10pm truly the history major lifestyle

[winged obsidian]

Yellowstone 1883 prequel would have been so much better without the screwy accent narration. She grated on me with that.

[forest edge]

canned chili with lime tortilla chips you say?

[drowsy berry]

decided that a crispier crust it was worth the extra time spent making it in the oven

[forest edge]

too bad new zealand didn't embrace edoras and keep the set intact as a tourist location https://youtu.be/93-GTbzXeEo?si=tZ5zwgUiLsbpePk4

[ocean oar]

I'm glad the video goes into detail about just how far from civilisation that is

Like Hobbiton is relatively remote, but still barely a 3 hour bus ride on a pristine motorway from NZ's main international airport

Getting from where you enter NZ to there... yeah

Google street view is kind enough to show you exactly where the road stops being paved... 25km from the carpark

[forest edge]

they should had done some kind of deal where they made the structures permanent.

even if it was all facial and they locked access to prevent people from going up to the structures

[clear ferry]

Just come to norway, we have natural LoTR scenery all year

just place some huts

[forest edge]

pass.. seeing a bunch of dwarf vikings acting tough on screen is comical enough.

[clear ferry]

don't worry, norwegian average height is almost 10cm higher than the US

https://tenor.com/bomVB.gif

[forest edge]

always needing to wear high soles snow boots does not count

someone posted this slime mold growing in their bathroom.

https://us1-photo.nextdoor.com/post_photos/39/9e/399e1a600d5932c9a173aa806069efe2.jpeg?request_version=v2&output_type=jpeg&sizing=linear&x_size=6&resize_type=resize

makes me wanna rewatch The Last of Us lol

[ocean oar]

Bloody hell. At what point does the state require you to name it?

[clear ferry]

excuse me what

what is slime mold

I've never seen anything like that

[solar zealot]

Seconds before it started munching on humans

[clear ferry]

https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/21/bofh_2024_episode_12/?td=rt-3a

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/stickergiant-restart-turn-it-off-turn-it-on-it-gif-24960297

[young sigil]

Look it up on youtube. They are freaky things.

e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_GTIL7AECQ

[clear ferry]

what the actual fuck

https://tenor.com/bZjcz.gif

[low harness]

Excellent maze solvers iirc.

[real frigate]

How did you get video of me before coffee?

[forest edge]

through one of the many unifi breaches.. duh lol

this arizona news piece on energy drain is so dumb it's funny. https://youtu.be/j6r7bPDa6SM?si=E_GJKrx7xv2B0jJ3

[drowsy berry]

fungus <3

[tidal bronze]

Canned? I will never understand middle earth.

[tidal bronze]

Oven crust 👌 hopefully it was cauliflower

[drowsy berry]

i have. really bad texture aversion to cauliflower, so no chance

[tidal bronze]

Since you mentioned texture I will let it go. 😀

[red rock]

If you said someone threw lasagna on the wall I would have believed you as well

[static schooner]

I was thinking more of the aforementioned Stromboli

[winged obsidian]

The finest mailbox lasagne

[forest edge]

at 6pm is super insane

least the humidity is only 40% vs the 50+ it has been heh

[real frigate]

Wow, it’s actually cooler here.

[static schooner]

It was already 74 here when I got up at 6. I used my AC for the first time this year

[real frigate]

Summer is so awesome. Just the best.

[static schooner]

The humidity has been the killer. Temp alone wouldn't be bad

[real frigate]

That’s not right. It’s 30% here right now.

[forest edge]

hit 110F inside the barn heh

the pi3 throttled a little but really not bad for being in a passive case

[real frigate]

My attic hit 128F today. But we’re supposed to get really hot on Wednesday.

[forest edge]

i'm scared to look at my attic temp. I put one of those digital ones with a probe on it when I rehabbed the house but hardly look at it

[real frigate]

I only check it a few times a year. Otherwise, I know it’s roasting or freezing. I keep thinking I could adapt the mailbox lasagna to attic lasagna and save a few bucks.

[forest edge]

could certianly cook anything in an attic during summer

mines 108F right now. so not bad at all

[forest edge]

what the hell would you use that for? fire kindling?

[weak musk]

<@&330946878646517761>

Just about all channels

[shut gulch]

What's funny is we don't have to show a screenshots since he did it in this channel

[shut gulch]

Honestly, that's a really pretty one. I've got some similar ones sitting on my wall that I got from the local dollar store a few years back

[tidal bronze]

Wanna try and cool down the barn?

[forest edge]

if you wanna go fan that thing in the barn. i will let you.

we will take bets how long you last before you realize you are just pushing hot air around and tire out

[static schooner]

Might excite some of the livestock.

[winged obsidian]

https://bigassfans.com/solutions/dairy-livestock/

[forest edge]

those things are scary in person lol

like someone flipped a helicopter around and mounted it to the ceiling

[weak musk]

Yeah they are massive, effective though.

[static schooner]

The ones in Costco are truly enormous

I was going to say 20' and it looks like they go up to 24

Oh, 30

That's probably as tall as my house

[weak musk]

The good news is, they’ve got a HA integration

Alright. I’m giving it a try, house of the dragon here I come.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-rest-in-peace-rip-bozo-pour-one-out-homie-gif-22783396

[weak musk]

This seems like a show i should watch on my phone.

[ocean oar]

I've been trying to convince my partner that we need a ceiling fan. House has high ceilings, pushing hot air downward would mean much less noise / blowyness from the heat pump

And if we do, it is 100% going to be a big ass fan

[forest edge]

you don't want one of those inside a house unless you live in a barn

even on low they make noise

[ocean oar]

Ha, definitely the actual residential one

I also like that it comes in matte black

[forest edge]

didn't know they made residential ones heh

[ocean oar]

https://store.bigassfans.com/en_us/haiku

For a few years now, not nearly as long as the commercial ones

[forest edge]

omg that price tag f that lol

[ocean oar]

That is the only real issue

[forest edge]

no ceiling fan is worth that

[ocean oar]

Easily 4x the price of any other residential ceiling fan on the market

[static schooner]

Damn

[ocean oar]

And at least 10x the price of ones you could probably live with

[torpid grove]

goddammit

[forest edge]

I have ceiling fans in every room in this house. rarely do we use our living room one with vaulted ceilings

but use the bedrooms one all the time

[winged obsidian]

All bedrooms plus family room and entry here. Entry is helpful because it’s open to upstairs and downstairs so can balance the whole house more efficiently than the AC. The only PITA is the family room has only a hot and neutral, so the fan/light remote control has to be mounted in the box instead of the wall. Ugh.

[forest edge]

yea I didn't notice it helping too much with any "balance"

maybe if the fan only came on while the ac was running and not when it was off

moving air always feels cooler than actual temp so it throws everything off from the get go in terms of comfort

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, the moving air matters most in occupied rooms. I think the balance issue in my house is because of an undersized upstairs return.

[forest edge]

you have a central return?

I really only ever seen central returns in homes that were built prior to the existence of central air. generally they have the ducts in the floor and 1 big return directly above the ac unit located a floor or two below it

[winged obsidian]

Two returns, but the one upstairs is small. Fixing it would be ugly because of how the duct gets back to the AC unit.
Downstairs ducts are in the floor, upstairs in the ceiling. Upstairs were redone a couple years ago so they’re decent sized, insulated, and above the (new) insulation bats that replaced the mess of blown insulation.

[weak musk]

It’s not bad. sigh

https://tenor.com/view/eye-roll-ugh-im-tired-with-this-here-we-go-again-hugh-laurie-gif-17296078

[forest edge]

it's no GoT for sure

[last cedar]

Season 1-7 or 8?

[forest edge]

I didn't mind any of the seasons of GoT. Obviously once they got into beyond the great wall and we got to see the white walkers more it got more interesting

even the part where the white walkers resurrected that racoon named Phil and it was all boney with fur hanging off..

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/9tHO.gif

[tidal bronze]

Patience!

[last cedar]

I was hoping all along that || john and mother of dragons would have a baby raccoon together, alas ||

[toxic oasis]

Why settle for less than a "House of Raccoons" spin off ?

[iron granite]

"Trashbin of Raccoons"

https://tenor.com/view/police-racoon-dust-bin-police-racoon-racoon-dustbin-dustbin-trash-racoon-gif-26093417

[shy comet]

and just like that every single california rep voted to let restaurants to continue charging junk fees....pretty sure every single one of em got paid by a restaurant

pretty soon there will be a raccoon fee

[static schooner]

"Trash disposal fee"

The raccoon lobby is strong

[clear ferry]

y'all resturants charge junk fees, yet won't give livable wages

kids these days

[shy comet]

im already seeing some good from the junk fee ban....cruise lines now include taxes and fees in the advertised price....no more separated daily resort fee from hotels either

[clear ferry]

daily resort what now

that was always something I need to take time to adjust to in the US, the advertised price is never including tax

wheras it is in all other countries I've been to

[weak musk]

It's almost always justified in the US due to the "complexity" of having state, county, special jurisdiction, etc sales taxes that can literally vary between two identical stores 5 miles apart. We could probably get to tax inclusive pricing if stores implemented digital shelf tags globally-- but I think that's also going to run into problems because people see that as an excuse for stores to do "surge pricing" on a minute by minute basis (which I agree will happen because capitalism).

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bhetU.gif

https://tenor.com/beT5R.gif

[drowsy berry]

me when the $5 biggie bag at wendys is actually the $10 biggie bag from 11am-2pm

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/linus-tech-tips-ltt-bug-gif-19900847

[drowsy berry]

c'est vrai

you'd probably be interested in the latest edition of american prospect, it's a deep dive into pricing mechanisms and the junk fee-ification of everything

[weak musk]

yeah for sure.

[drowsy berry]

there's like. this entire seminar program to teach MBAs how to apply junk fees to their business model, it's sick

[weak musk]

"pricing levers"

[drowsy berry]

mmhm mmhm

[static schooner]

Course title is "Being an American Capitalist 101"

[drowsy berry]

i mean id be fine with dynamic pricing if things costed as a percentage of income

so a 12pk of coke is like $2 for the poor and like. a thousand dollars+ for the rich

[weak musk]

you definitely haven't taken the seminar

https://tenor.com/view/the-rich-get-richer-marques-ray-chuy-brews-brothers-richer-gif-17557602

[dire spear]

need me one of them wind mills.

[brazen fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj9JSkSpRlM How do I integrate this into Home Assistant?

[dire spear]

i think you need the millitary black ops extension

[glacial knot]

Hm, I should write a HA integration for our product at work

[weak musk]

🥵 only 12% humidity though.

[real frigate]

94 here with 37% humidity. Fun times...

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge thinking of you

[weak musk]

Ewwww.

[shy comet]

could be worse...could be 90 and 90% humidity like parts of texas lol

[weak musk]

The calamari sounds great.

[weak musk]

That's similar to what I grew up with, never again.

[tidal bronze]

That dipped cajun galic, yep!

@shy comet dude been sometime. How are things? If you haven't already. This is a must https://maps.app.goo.gl/ujyutwMiebiHywZQ9

[real frigate]

The few times I've been to Texas (usually always in the summer, because why not?), I always leave and say I'll never be back... Yet, I still manage to go back and the cycle repeats. lol

[weak musk]

The BBQ almost makes up for the weather. Almost.

[real frigate]

Barely.

Although, I will always maintain that there is nothing worse than being in Phoenix with 110F and 30+% humidity. Want to feel what a turkey in an oven feels like? That's what it feels like.

https://tenor.com/RuSr.gif

[weak musk]

When I was in highschool health class, we had this addict (in recovery) come to talk to us about drugs/addiction/recovery and I vividly remember him starting the talk with "It was a hot day in Phoenix. But it was the meth, not the temperature, that made me feel that way."

Wild times.

Still no desire to go to phoenix

[real frigate]

Holy crap... lmao

[forest edge]

even the "not actually a monkey brain" dish sounds gross lol

[real frigate]

Phoenix is actually great for like 7-8 months of the year. But those summer months... man, they are KILLERS.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/humidity-humid-when-its-humid-outside-it-feels-like-a-hot-fart-outside-all-the-time-gif-11188610

[weak musk]

When I was in Austin a few years ago I went to Franklin BBQ (which was excellent, borderline touristy) and Loro (this place lives rent free in my head).

https://www.loroeats.com/

[tidal bronze]

You wanna join for some real brains?

[tidal bronze]

Haven't tried this place but, out of many nothing to write home about. Same ol backyard taste. I guess it's cool for some but.....

[weak musk]

franklin or loro?

[tidal bronze]

I don't think it matters.

[weak musk]

lol

[forest edge]

Have you ever had real brains? lol

[tidal bronze]

Too many

Join me on my next trip to mainland

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-brain-nothing-zombies-gif-14884476

[winged obsidian]

Wokano?

[tidal bronze]

Yep.

1st and last time.

[shy comet]

that bad huh? lol

[tidal bronze]

Well the grilled oysters were OK. Wraps had rice. Sashimi was old. Calamari batter was thicker than Calamari. Spicy tuna had too much mayo. So yeah bad.

[shy comet]

wow yea not good...Calamari is one of those meals where once you had it cooked properly you immediately know when it got fucked up

[tidal bronze]

Yes sir.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-ward-crazy-dancing-feels-gif-12710879

[tidal bronze]

Sometime ago I tried their crab meat fried rice, that was good so thought of stopping by. Welp that was a mistake

@shy comet oh and service was 2 out of 10 😆

[forest edge]

so glad we don't have those issues here

[tidal bronze]

Of course you don't. Ignorance is bliss.

Canned beans and TV dinners what more could you ask from middle earth?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/ignorance-is-bliss-cypher-joe-pantoliano-the-matrix-oh-well-gif-22197092

last night for tv dinner

[weak musk]

Yikes. How did you come about this fine establishment?

[forest edge]

Probably part of california's new homeless care act where they not only provide the housing and amenities at the cost of tax payers but also provide tax paid restaurants for the homeless to cook and serve food at engorged prices

quad is just trying to support his community God bless his soul

[tidal bronze]

I try everything. This was a random stop. Hard to judge anything from a distance.

I will try any place with crab fried rice. Then again they had baked krab rolls. I should've walked out. 🤣 Anytime a place serves imitation crab, there's a problem. Lol.

[weak musk]

I'm sure there's a joke in here about how you wouldn't be qualified to cook at one of these places

[tidal bronze]

It's the perfect day for some wine and pool time.

[real frigate]

crab fried rice
@tidal bronze I usually support your food choices... but no. EGG fried rice, yes... bastardizing that with crab?! No. I draw the line there. lol

[tidal bronze]

Of course you can disagree. I live to eat crab and lobster. I will take anything with real crab.

I wish you could try one of my crab rolls.

[real frigate]

Oh, don't get me wrong... totally the same here... I cannot pass up anything with real crab in it... but mess with egg fried rice?! Nope. That's magical wizardry in a perfect egg fried rice.

[tidal bronze]

Yes and no. Even in mainland you get blue crab fried rice. So it's not some western twist.

[real frigate]

Hmmmm 🤔 I might be willing to let that pass... maybe... but man... properly done egg fried rice? One of my 10 ten faves of all time.

It's like when they added meatballs to spaghettios when I was a kid. RUINED them for me (probably good thing in hindsight though lol)

[tidal bronze]

One day you should try some street side food in Zhangjiajie

[real frigate]

Go on

(Waiting for Sonoma to chime in on Spaghettios lmao)

[tidal bronze]

Nothing to chime in. It's prepackaged food anyway.

Or produce from California that's 6 days old.

[real frigate]

Both horrible choices... lol

One of my coworkers was telling me a while ago that he made Kraft Mac-n-cheese for him and his wife and he LOVED it. It was at that moment that I realized I don't like him as a coworker anymore. 🤣

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy. People still eat that stuff?

[real frigate]

Apparently. I can't understand why when a rue and melted cheese are like BASICS in the kitchen.

[tidal bronze]

It's 2024 so many food choices. But why?

[real frigate]

No clue sir... no clue.

[weak musk]

People are laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy

[real frigate]

https://tenor.com/9VDD.gif

I mean, I make my dogs' food from scratch too... sooooo, yeah.

They're both to the point where they will turn their noses up at the packaged stuff and just walk away.

[weak musk]

We have to "cook" our dog's food, if we just put it in the bowl it will sit all day. We have to put it up on the counter, pretend to cut some stuff up, add it to the bowl, mix it....then she'll eat it.

[tidal bronze]

Always. I take more time cooking for them than us.

Meal prep for them when I leave. Lol

[weak musk]

Unfortunately we can't make ours. She's got to eat hydrolyzed food.

[real frigate]

Yup. I make their food once a week... turkey, lamb and sometimes venison, butternut squash, sweet potatoes, brown rice, oats, honey, olive oil and various spices (plus a vitamin additive). Spoiled little shits. lol

And yeah, it takes longer than cooking for humans. hahaha

Oh, and spinach too (or sometimes nori).

[tidal bronze]

Exactly. Sadly the love of my life is not here anymore. Been 3 months. Dude got me grilling on the daily.

[real frigate]

Oh man... I'm sorry to hear that. That SUCKS.

[tidal bronze]

Thank you. Nothing can ever fill these spaces.

[real frigate]

My last dog, Reboot, died of cancer a couple years back and it was because of his cancer that I started making his food.

[real frigate]

Seriously... I know that pain all too well.

[tidal bronze]

Same here I managed to buy 3 years, removed 5 growths but last one, I could see he was tired. 4 years more than life expectancy is all I could ask for.

[real frigate]

YUP. Reboot was only 6 years old. Fantastic dog (American Staffordshire Terrier that wouldn't hurt a fly), but man he get dealt a shitty hand.

[tidal bronze]

So sorry. That's too young.

[real frigate]

Thanks and yeah... Only dog I ever had that would literally push me out of bed to make him food. lol

[weak musk]

That’s enough discord for the day.

🙁

[real frigate]

Yup... back to bitching about the heat... Of which I had to sit for 5 hours in today because the power went out.

[tidal bronze]

Yikes.

[real frigate]

lol drained my laptop down to 30% and my phone down to 40%... that was fun.

[tidal bronze]

You in Denver right?

[real frigate]

Nope. Charlotte.

[tidal bronze]

Oh ok.

[real frigate]

That's why I kept teasing you over the TN trip you took 😉

Actually, I think @prisma briar is in CO, IIRC.

[tidal bronze]

I am going there next week for few hours.

[real frigate]

My condolences. You're getting here right before the worst time of the year hahaha

Although... since you love travelling and outdoors and such... Add Little Switzerland, NC to your list of places to check out.

[tidal bronze]

That's why its few hours. 2 hours after the meeting I am out.

I might have to spend about 10 days there in August so trying to make these as short as I can.

[real frigate]

Ugh... WORST time of the year.

I might be heading out to NM in July for Mini Takes The States and I am literally like "Do I want to roast or just skip it"

[prisma briar]

I'm in CO but about 75 miles south of Denver

[real frigate]

Yay! I'm not completely senile yet! I knew you were in CO, but couldn't remember how close to Denver.

[tidal bronze]

Ahhh that good Jerky, it's worth it.

[real frigate]

Going to New Mexico... in July... is worth it? lol

[tidal bronze]

Hmmm I would say so.

But I agree. I don't go anywhere in the summer. Its a literal shitshow

[real frigate]

But... but... I can't even put the top down on the car!!! Plus, I have to drive through Arkansas. That's a miserable experience in and of itself.

[tidal bronze]

That's too funny and I sadly agree.

[real frigate]

I got pulled over in Arkansas once for towing a trailer on a Nissan Altima (let the jokes ensue). Like, the trooper was like "Sir, I pulled you over because you are towing a trailer with a car that's not meant for it and looked to be struggling". All I could do was sit there and blink and think to myself "When did that become against the law?!"

[tidal bronze]

I've done cross country like 5 times. That's one I wouldn't wanna pass through again.

[real frigate]

Nope... Oklahoma wasn't fun either. I still think the original settlers had the right idea... just build shit near the coasts and leave the middle alone. 🤣

[tidal bronze]

That's another one.

[forest edge]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMlfU_NvWtE8G5Ts1xCdK5w2A_FwrjP99ENw&s

there we go lol

[real frigate]

That's not right... "Made with 100% real cheese"... LIES

[forest edge]

wasn't bad at all

[real frigate]

Man, I hope your wife returns soon... lol

[forest edge]

picking her up at the airport in about 3 hours

[tidal bronze]

At last. The suffering ends.

75 years and can't cook a damn thing.

[ocean oar]

It's fine once you realise "100% real cheese" is the brand name of a company they made up to sell a product that is definitely not 100% anything

(filed under: things that have distressingly happened)

[forest edge]

I had to use the microwave.. I cooked it

[static schooner]

As Alton Brown says - Food + Heat = Cooking

[prisma briar]

Nice, got an esp32-s3 sending audio from wifi to a usb dac

[tidal bronze]

Shhhh

[forest edge]

is that a floating wine glass?

[forest edge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/zM4BLNJCxpo?si=OpCXUu_oVqJe_gb-

[tidal bronze]

Yep it floats. 🤣

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-pool-gif-4487064

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze wtf is a cell phone waiting lot Mr airport expert

[tidal bronze]

If you are unlucky enough to have checked luggage, once you see your bag drop on the belt, you call that person waiting in the cellphone waiting lot.

[forest edge]

Ah I guessed that which why I am here but never heard of it

The only parking lot relatively close to the terminals so was gonna use it regardless lol

[tidal bronze]

Usually for international travel and for local travelers with heavy weight packing.

If you only have carryon, 15 minutes from the time you hit airside

[forest edge]

She's coming in with family so prob gonna be stuck waiting here for hours while they gab and move like sloths

[tidal bronze]

Start moving when the last baggage is picked up.

Cellphone lots are usually 15 minutes out

[forest edge]

It's no 15 mins from here to the pickup

Granted I not been to this airport since they built this new whatever but it's no 15 mins

[tidal bronze]

Take 10 minutes out for country folk

[forest edge]

Maybe getting stuck behind Calis moving here and not knowing how to drive

[forest edge]

Infact just being this close to the airport I can already feel the presence of yuppies and smell disgusting food dishes. Must be a Cali family that just landed

[tidal bronze]

I can imagine the rants if 2pac ever sang about KC

[forest edge]

Just waiting for the dude wearing spandex to ride by on a bicycle while judging others alcohol choices

[forest edge]

I thought that was su

[forest edge]

we seem to be getting a slight drizzle after all this heat.

[young sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-boat-buy-a-boat-rich-cat-gif-3473552

[solar zealot]

Someone cleaned that raccoon

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/bleach-clorox-gif-11117255

[forest edge]

bleaching racoons prior to dying is the only way to achieve other filament colors

[real frigate]

I came in here expecting shitposting about racoons and food, and all I got was a clean racoon (and no food).

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-bath-baby-gif-19641335

[real frigate]

Huh, I should do that to the trash pandas that like to sleep in my garbage bin.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/elf-buddy-will-ferrell-scary-rabid-gif-12574593

[static schooner]

I think you're in the middle of an alien attack with laser beams

[twilit venture]

https://youtu.be/tUNbhYcY9Ik

Too bad they wasted so much energy for generic music

It could have been so much better

[weak musk]

It’s the ants jumping out of the camera

[last cedar]

Exactly, I understand

[solar zealot]

yea

[snow hedge]

Following on from my previous rant 🤣 #the-water-cooler message

Glad I bought them with the plan of esphome modding them.

[prisma briar]

My aircon's app was awful too

It was really slow, but it was all over uart so esphome fixed it

[real frigate]

101F… screw you summer.

[tidal bronze]

A mini? A mini? I mean a mini? And 39? School zone?

[ocean oar]

I have a different, but equally awful app from Mitsubishi. Who'd've thought they'd have three different cloud apps for different parts of the world.
Mine fortunately is one that supports EchoNet, so I can control it with that

[real frigate]

Oh, you don't know my obsession with Minis??? hahaha and no, traffic coming home from South Carolina. Those idiots can't drive.

[tidal bronze]

I know a few mini fans and know what it's like.

[real frigate]

😄 It's a lifestyle

[tidal bronze]

I know.

[real frigate]

lol I'm kinda half surprised you don't own one 😉

[tidal bronze]

Never had any love to anything with wheels. Only thing I care about is the ride comfort. Air or magnetic and I am happy.

[real frigate]

Ah, fair. Yeah, that's why I said I was only half-surprised 😉

[tidal bronze]

I do love washing them and detailing. Whatever is in the driveway that is. I just can't stand car washes or marring

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/bearded-bear-guy-slay-gay-pride-super-gay-lgbt-gif-17986678789531811533

[real frigate]

Yeah, same... I spend WAY too much money on car cleaning products.

[tidal bronze]

@last cedar do you offer private lessons?

[real frigate]

Eh, with less stomach (and everything else lol). Oh, and capes are bad. 😉 But yes, all the rest, same... Except for "A Mini Cooper". Should be "Mini Coopers" 🤣

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge how's your ride?

[forest edge]

still increasing in value. yours?

[tidal bronze]

As long as I am in it, to the moon.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/space-gif-26373940

that smlight finally came today lol

not had the chance to plug it in yet tho

like how it came with usb adapter for a wall wart

[real frigate]

Woot! You didn't get the PoE version?

[forest edge]

yet no information on power requirements anywhere

i did get the poe version

but was going to use the usb c to power it

[tidal bronze]

Just fire it up. Complaining all day. It's a zigbee not california

Why ddidn't you get the all in one?

[real frigate]

Ohhhh gotcha. Yeah, I'd just let PoE do it's thing and forget about powering it with USB-C.

[forest edge]

not an option

I have nothing poe atm

[tidal bronze]

Mine is working good. Gotta look at stats. I don't keep track of anything zigbee in the house.

[real frigate]

OMG... what?! How can you not have PoE yet?! Buy a cheap PoE switch on Amazon. You'll thank yourself.

[tidal bronze]

Huh? Poe stuff don't need a start up ramp. Your gas genie would do just fine.

[forest edge]

lol wut?

someone had too much wine already

[real frigate]

https://tenor.com/lUyHU3ChyWV.gif

Betcha that has a screw top on it too... lmao

[tidal bronze]

What's too much? Anyways don't have to be scared of poe. It will work just fine with your generator.

[ocean oar]

I wish Ruckus would let me use the Zigbee radios that are already in my APs, without having both the centrally-managed controller and (separately licensed, naturally) "vRIoT" feature.
Would make a lot of nerds super happy if they figured out a way for Unleashed to integrate with Z2M

By all accounts - for the super limited range of devices it supports out of the box - their IoT system works pretty well. You just can't have it without spending $$$$$$

[real frigate]

Oh wow... I didn't think there were any Ruckus users around anymore.

[tidal bronze]

Lol.

[ocean oar]

I got a really good deal on the APs through the supplier we use at work

And our house's construction is not friendly to WiFi, so they do a lot better than the Ubiquiti ones

[tidal bronze]

Better than?

How so?

[real frigate]

Huh, first time I ever heard Ruckus being better than Unifi APs.

[tidal bronze]

I am all ears.

[ocean oar]

With the APs in the exact same locations as before - and by and large the transmit power set 2-3dBm lower - in most locations around the house I get 8-10dBm better signal with these.
Roaming is VASTLY better (although since 3 years ago it sounds like UI have fixed their 802.11k/v support). Throughput is more consistent (not going to call it "faster" as I upgraded from AC to AX APs so that isn't a fair comparison, but I get fewer dropouts).
The antenna systems in the Ruckus APs are just ridiculously better designed. But you pay through the nose for it, so by all means can just put in more of the cheaper APs

[real frigate]

Huh... fair points. I can't really dispute any of those. Especially the antenna design. Unifi does this really stupid design in their APs and most people are just like "BUT WHY?!".

[forest edge]

already answered that

unifi = shiet hardware

[real frigate]

OH stop it. lol

[tidal bronze]

Makes sense. Never had any issues with mine. I do cover a large area. Never even thought about Roaming or drop outs.

[real frigate]

Unifi does just fine for my needs.

[forest edge]

it's true tho.. like roku's.. they work and work well for the firmware and intended use but it's still shit hardware lol

[tidal bronze]

Never had any issues ever.

[real frigate]

lol well, compared to something like Omadas, yeah.

[tidal bronze]

I run 8 aps 5 inside and 3 outdoor. Not a single issue since day one.

[real frigate]

lol and my tiny house with 3 APs just looks at you like "show off" 😛

[tidal bronze]

If I am being honest I need like 3 more outside.

One of these days.

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/IStbaTQTBio?si=-bXtoYijND9EXV5F

[tidal bronze]

My aps are old. Internals are SHD and AC-M outside. Been thinking of upgrading but don't want to fix if it ain't broke.

[real frigate]

I still need 1 AP outside just to boost the signal a bit in the front yard, but I'll probably go with the U7 Outdoor.

[tidal bronze]

Not interested in teardowns. But thanks for the money. You are a champ with YT stuff. The love you have for California GDP is noteworthy

[tidal bronze]

I am planning on doing a U7 revamp too.

[forest edge]

I doubt the 5 cents i've earned your state over the past 5 years is gonna stretch far enough for you to notice

[real frigate]

I might wait, I just went with a U6 last year and It's working really well. My U5 and UAC-Pro just won't die yet. lol

[forest edge]

two year life span?

[tidal bronze]

Thanks for the 5 cents

[forest edge]

i guess they do kind of look like smoke detectors.. having to replace the whole thing every few years would kind of have a natural feel lol

[real frigate]

LOL no. My UAP-AC Pro is like 5 years old now.

[solar zealot]

how directional are those

[real frigate]

Omnidirectional.

[solar zealot]

because the design seems to be for top down installations

[ocean oar]

Antenna's about 3dBi I think? So barely any more gain than comes from most of the signal being a half-sphere

(nothing much behind the AP, mostly in front)

[solar zealot]

guess we need to whip em to release an u7 mesh

[real frigate]

It'll broadcast above it, but obvs the signal isn't really that great depending on the mount and material. Mine reaches into my attic though (actually roof of the house too, now that I think about it).

[solar zealot]

they want you to buy two to make it spherical

[forest edge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/1bt94bz/unifi_8_pro_max_ap_out_now/

[weak musk]

You could sled down a hill on that thing

[solar zealot]

what even is this

did they invent a satelite dish

[tidal bronze]

Without a LNB

@static schooner let's see how this goes.

[forest edge]

all so that you can see the .1 degree difference change

[tidal bronze]

That's a lot of gallons

[forest edge]

should be illegal for you to water sand in the first place

[forest edge]

for the love of god 3d print a case for that monstrosity

[solar zealot]

That's kinda hilarious

[prisma briar]

It's more fun if my pocket could ignite at any point

Going to design a case probably tomorrow

The battery is covered in a pretty thick piece of clear heatshrink that I double side taped the PCBs to (battery charge controller on the other side)

[prisma briar]

It's working well.

[real frigate]

Just wrap it in duct tape. What could go wrong? lol

[static schooner]

If it does ever short you want to make it as hard as possible to disassemble it

[forest edge]

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9717473792/h698CE94D/baked-goods-drgrayfang-ever-see-something-and-think-holy-s-is-violently-american

[red rock]

I want this now

[static schooner]

Do you also still work at the burger place? You could start a trend...

[red rock]

Sometimes

My little brother now does

So now my little sister and little brother worked there

[last cedar]

Base packet is acting goofy, swimming, biting and looking adorable are add-ons

[forest edge]

I never thought of using clear pla as a light bar

not sure if buying a whole roll just to print a few light bars would be worth it tho

[snow hedge]

white PETG also works really well

[forest edge]

that's more of a shade/diffuser. I was referring to those little plastic clear pieces that routes internal lights externally

although white may do that too

[indigo charm]

I downloaded a program a few days ago, and realised that for the past 8 months my pc was running at 100 degrees celcius... So I guess I should've thought about cooling it better before I built it :/
strangely enough, I barely had any lag while playing so I would've never known

[solar zealot]

100c? Are you sure a fan actually been installed

That sounds a lot like defective cooler or wrong installation

[glacial knot]

Plastic cover between cooler and CPU?

[forest edge]

placing pc next to space heater is never a wise idea

[winged obsidian]

It's one way to test your circuit breakers

[prisma briar]

it's like a nebula

[static schooner]

early picture of the universe following the Big Bang

[real frigate]

That belongs in #zigbee-archived 😉 hahaha

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/2001-gif-5031951

[real frigate]

(And so many devices without routes makes my eye twitch a bit lol)

[prisma briar]

That ball of yarn is the routes, lol

[real frigate]

I dunno... I see some blue dots with no lines there... seems sus

I have 5 devices with no routes... All 5, the batteries are dead.

[prisma briar]

Oh, yea, I have like 10 window sensors that are dead

[real frigate]

lol I dread changing batteries. At least my Aqara ones last like forever, so it's not so bad.

[prisma briar]

I put door/window sensors out in uninsulated areas and they drop off whenever it gets cold in the winter

And I don't have any automations off of them so I just don't really care

[static schooner]

makes note to break into Netham45's house when it's cold outside

[real frigate]

LOL kinda the same. I only have like 3 or 4 automations with my window sensors (open when cold, open when hot, that sort of thing).

[prisma briar]

lol, none of those sensors protect anything

I guess if you want an old beat up set of dining room chairs I'm hanging on to for some reason

While you're back there can you find where I left my weed killer?

[last cedar]

|| you called? ||

[last cedar]

Got any doormats?

[prisma briar]

Two, actually, one someone could just walk up from the street and grab.

[weak musk]

When I finally decide its time to build my dream house, I'm wiring every window for shades and open/close sensors. Batteries be damned.

[real frigate]

I thought about that a few years ago, but the availability of wired sensors is like next to nothing without using something like konnected.io.

[weak musk]

Yeah, I'm actually shocked Serena/Lutron doesn't have a solution for that (they do for the shades/blinds not the sensors from what I've seen)

[real frigate]

Or really any company, tbh. Wired sensors are basically only in the domain of the bigger alarm/automation companies and even they have been pivoting away from wired for wireless.

[weak musk]

The wired solutions seem to be targeting commercial/very high end custom homes. Outside of that is a way bigger addressable market if you can install new or retrofit.

It's unfortunate

[real frigate]

I mean, I get it. Most home users aren't going to want to rip up walls and windows and such to run wiring.

[weak musk]

exactly

[winged obsidian]

I just wish fewer things came with "Oh, we decided to give you a micro-USB input for power. Just plug another wart into a 'convenient' outlet and string the wires on your own." And of course the wart they provide is some weird shape that either sticks out 3" so you can't put it behind anything or has some weird angle that covers multiple outlets and hates power strips. Or it's a 3' power cord that connects to a brick, then some weird connector with another 3' of wire to connect to the device.

[real frigate]

Yeah... I HATE those. Personally, I've been on this kick that if it can't use PoE or battery, I've been avoiding it. I have a few sensors on my entertainment center that plug into a usb brick. Works for most of them, but there's one that just can't seem to pull enough power. Annoying.

[tidal bronze]

Why not?

[real frigate]

lol time, money, effort? IMHO, most people (at least 97.7% of humanity) are lazy and cheap.

[tidal bronze]

Drywall knife solves almost all problems

[real frigate]

lol True. But, I'm not gonna be assed to run around the house tearing up moulding and door/window frames for wired sensors. I'm fine with my battery ones, but if wired was easy and low effort, I'd go that route.

[tidal bronze]

What did I get myself into with these pressure sensors 🤔

[real frigate]

Wait... pressure sensors?!

What are you doing with pressure sensors?

[tidal bronze]

water pressure sensors for whole house filters/softner

[real frigate]

Ohhhh... huh, interesting... are they not working out?

[tidal bronze]

Looking for Tee adapters, want to run manual gauges alongside the sensors.

Whether they are going to work or will give accurate readings, yet to be seen.

I do have flow rate/total gal used, but want to ramp up the monitoring so early notifications on which filters or softner needs attention etc.

[weak musk]

oh that's really cool

I thought you meant pressure sensor mats (which I'm interested in....off to #hardware-archived )

[weak musk]

does the actual number matter in this case? or just the delta from "normal"?

[winged obsidian]

What are you? An engineer?

[winged obsidian]

They'll love you at https://www.reddit.com/r/drywall/

[tidal bronze]

Not really. But must consistency across 5 sensors for this to work.

Right now I am trying to figure out a way to mount the damn sensors and not be an eyesore

[winged obsidian]

Where do you have whole house filter and softener installed that being an eyesore is an issue? TBH the softener for my house is ugly even without sensors.

[tidal bronze]

The garage, my favorite place.

[weak musk]

Is something like this the goal? or cleaner (this is not mine)

[tidal bronze]

My desktop is there since we don't have ANY components inside the house.

So eye candy is a must 😆

[tidal bronze]

Way cleaner. Not great tool bag organization 😆

[weak musk]

rip everything out, start over

[winged obsidian]

Scan those binders, replace with a screen

[tidal bronze]

Lol no. Just want the correct Tees so I can do 1" to dual 1/4 NPT

[patent copper]

Just get regular tees and use a bushing

[weak musk]

Only if the result is searchable....

[tidal bronze]

You mean reducer?

[patent copper]

bushing is a reducer, so yes, or you can use a cap and drill and tap your own hole

[tidal bronze]

M F F is what I am looking for if it exists.

[patent copper]

you may have to compromise with FFF and use either couplers or unions to get what you want

[tidal bronze]

Not a bad idea at all. Just wanted it to look as clean as possible. Thank you

[patent copper]

Yeah the struggle is real. I've become a HUGE fan of Webstone valves because they make some sick combinations

I've got a box right next to me of a T valve of theirs that's triple union, means I can have whatever frankenstein combo of connections I want

[tidal bronze]

Lucky you. I will have to buy a bunch and figure this one out. Do they have 1/4 NPT stops?

[patent copper]

those definitely exist, if you're in the us I've become a fan of supplyhouse.com and more recently libertysupply.com to get the very specific stuff

[tidal bronze]

Yep in the US. Will check them out. Thanks

[clear ferry]

you kids and your water filters and softners

[weak musk]

What kind of softener are you using?

[tidal bronze]

Salt base.

Aquasure 72000 grain

[tidal bronze]

You like.?

I will be like you one day when I grow up. Live in a small hut next to a mountain with 17 people in the village.

[clear ferry]

No, we just use regular mountain water, no softeners or filters needed

https://tenor.com/view/glacier-david-attenborough-a-life-on-our-planet-collapsing-falling-gif-20429615

[tidal bronze]

I know. Hut at the foot of the mountain ❤️

[static schooner]

That's a big softener. I'm using a 48K grain

[tidal bronze]

I think they are the best so far.

[orchid rose]

I've never heard of this stuff. Fascinating that this is a thing in 2023

[tidal bronze]

Wrong year.

[forest edge]

lol no filters.. sure that yak piss gives that sparkling water just the right tang

[tidal bronze]

Another one! From that mountain hut.

[forest edge]

damn this exodus!

[tidal bronze]

Lmao. Wrong place

[forest edge]

as one ca'er to another, maybe you could speak ca to them and get them to move back? lol

[tidal bronze]

No need to small talk they eventually return. Sadly they will never be able to afford what they used to have. Just life.

Just keep watching that YT we can help them resettle.

[forest edge]

thats not from me watching yt.. that's from you kicking out more on property and income taxes

[prisma briar]

Taking care of children, what a waste

[tidal bronze]

About to close on another property, what taxes?

[forest edge]

you talking about your detroit investment?

[tidal bronze]

This one is here.

[forest edge]

oh.. you bought a popup tent located in someone's front yard for just under a mil and threw in a throw pillow and relisted it for 1.5 mil?

[static schooner]

or the pool house where Kato Kaelin used to live?

[tidal bronze]

Now you are learning. Good on you. You are a true Californian now, how else would you know about the blue suede throw pillow?

[forest edge]

causes Texas is calling you out

https://i.imgflip.com/5l9auq.jpg

[static schooner]

*land that it sits on not included

[ocean oar]

I wonder if anyone told them their spa pool is shaped like a toilet

[forest edge]

actually seen a few really nice homes in texas that I would buy lol

[prisma briar]

Wow, having Texans nearby lowers property value a lot.

[static schooner]

you might be advised not to even mention that it's in Texas when listing

House located in the United States...

[tidal bronze]

I would gladly pick the tent without the land. I would like my money to work while I am sleeping.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/pay-day-stacking-cash-friday-counting-money-funny-gif-12724786

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge we are sorry 😞

But it's always, all for love ❤️

[winged obsidian]

It might not be a smart move for you. Property taxes on a $1M place in Jackson County MO would be $12,300. In Travis County TX, it would go up to $17,700.

In Los Angeles County, $7,200.

Source: https://smartasset.com/taxes/missouri-property-tax-calculator

[forest edge]

that is literally saying everything california touches turns to shit lol

[static schooner]

It's a bit silly because the number of houses in at least the major CA cities that you can buy for $1M is not a lot

While the taxes may be lower for $1M, they barely exist

[forest edge]

not sure how you came to 7k? google states the average rate in LA is around 1.25% which is considerably higher than the 0.88% around my area of MO

wow that smartasset site is horribly wrong lol

[static schooner]

I'm also going to call bullshit on that. It claims that the average San Diego county tax rate is 0.750%, but mine is 1.18% and it depends greatly on when you bought you house and the purchase price. It starts with 1% of the purchase price and adds on from there, and mine is actually pretty low compared to someone buying in my neighborhood now where the prices are nearly 2.5x what I paid

so I'm going with 0.750% is nonsense, and there still aren't any houses for the price they're quoting

[dire spear]

tax rate in toronto is 0.6% roughly.

small towns always have way higher taxes because they have less people to diffuse expenses over.

[winged obsidian]

It adds on only up to a capped percentage, so if your home increases in value faster then the percentage will slip below 1%. People who move often suffer because their basis is reset often. If you stay in one place for a few years like I have then the effective rate dips well under 1%.

[dire spear]

and you often feel like you get less service for that higher tax

goes back to cnc'ing knives

[winged obsidian]

Depends hugely on who the “you” is. If your personal needs are aligned to the demographics of the city where you live, you do well.

[dire spear]

well, no. if snow clearing costs you 5x more in a small town, then thats just numbers.

i lived in a city where snow removal was 30% of the town budget. haha

[winged obsidian]

Snow clearing? lol. The budget where I live is $0 for that. Last snowfall was in 1976

[static schooner]

I've been in my house for 12 years now, but yes, my feeling is that they're counting folks who have owned their homes for a very long time

[dire spear]

tax rate is uniform for every property here. BUT, how your property is assessed can mess you up bad. a brand new $1m house will be assessed at $1m. a very old $1m house might be assessed at 400k still.

[winged obsidian]

Anyway, here’s a second source. It says CA is 19th lowest, MO is 30th, and TX is 46th. Price of not having income tax.

https://www.rocketmortgage.com/learn/property-taxes-by-state

[winged obsidian]

Dude..,your own math doesn’t support your statement. If you’re paying 1.18% of assessed value and comparable houses around you are selling for 2.5X what you paid, your effective rate is 1.18%/2.5 = 0.472%.

[clear ferry]

This is why I was confused when I got a drink with icecubes in the US and it tasted like a swimming pool

[snow hedge]

Finally got this all sorted, it feels very satisfying to have so much control \o/, and to be one of the few houses in UK that actually has aircon

[forest edge]

these are some seriously cherry picked numbers lol

[forest edge]

you realize your own water at home is treated the exact same way right?

[clear ferry]

Yes, but very minimal, ours have no smell

[forest edge]

the uranium likely removes any smells lol https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004896972302908X

[glacial knot]

Yea, NA (both US and Canada) water still has noticeable amount of chlorine at the taps

JP had some, but by far not as bad

[tidal bronze]

@patent copper found the MFF

[patent copper]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-surprised-shocked-gif-3264779227712871821

[tidal bronze]

1/8th pressure sensor > reducer to this and I should be good to go.

[forest edge]

good ole brass

[winged obsidian]

Provide a source

[forest edge]

the best source is your local goverment website

the odd thing is.. you seem to have found really the only two sources that give california sch a low average tax rate

cherry picking is the only explanation when you start looking at tax rates by county

how can .7 be the average when you have counties like sacramento as high at 1.40%

dosen't even make sense

[prisma briar]

On today's episode of Rich Man Old Man...

[forest edge]

they must give you a break when trying to build a home on the side of a mountain. https://kdvr.com/news/local/colorado-has-the-third-lowest-property-tax-rate-in-the-us-report/

[prisma briar]

Yea, outside of some cities they have a hard time raising taxes here and sane people just don't live in those cities

[forest edge]

air to thin to breathe discount

[prisma briar]

too*

I'm pretty sure Boulder has some stupid tax rates

https://bouldercounty.gov/property-and-land/assessor/assessment/tax-calculation/

[forest edge]

realistically property tax % doesn't mean squat because they just make up the difference if not charging more in the end through other means

[weak musk]

The break comes when the house is actually built in Colorado. Property without a structure is taxed higher in many parts of CO.

*at a higher effective rate

[prisma briar]

Yea but it doesn't have the value of a structure added so unless it's a lot of land

[weak musk]

100%.

(I’m in CO too)

[azure rock]

CO here too, and the property taxes might be nice but the other taxes are not. It's quickly become a VERY expensive state to live in

[prisma briar]

I had to leave the Denver Metro area because all I could afford there with the space I wanted was a townhouse or condo

[weak musk]

Yuuup. And while my property taxes aren’t high they’ve still doubled in the last year.

[azure rock]

Exactly! My house is already worth 5X what I paid for it 20 years ago, on the verge of 6X

[prisma briar]

My parents paid like $68k for a house out in Morrison in the 80s, it's worth easily 10x now

[weak musk]

Yeah mine has increased in value by 2.7-3.3x in 7 years (I get comparables done annually)

[forest edge]

home value dosen't mean shit either if you can't even afford to sell it and move somewhere else lol

[azure rock]

I live in Bowmar and it's not unusual these days to see houses go for 6+ million. A couple streets over sold for nearly $7M last year

[weak musk]

Also true

[weak musk]

I’m in Fort Collins and it’s very common to see people buy historic homes for north of 2mill just to tear them down and build something super modern.

[prisma briar]

I ran the Papa Johns that delivered there for a couple years out of school

[winged obsidian]

It isn’t. Government websites will tell you the tax rate as a percentage of the assessed value of the property, not the market value. It’s the wrong denominator for effective rate. That’s why the number from @RobC is so wrong.

[azure rock]

That drives me insane, they do that here too, buy a $3M home that's gorgeous, tear it down and put a $5M home in it's place. There was NOTHING WRONG WITH THE OLD HOME IDIOTS!

[forest edge]

it's what you are being charged with..

[prisma briar]

The issue is the assessment process is unfair

Two people with identical houses next door might be assessed at a half million difference

[forest edge]

what the city/county actually charges you is based on thier assed value. not the market

[prisma briar]

Correct

That's the issue. That invites political pandering and things just falling through cracks.

[forest edge]

you really don't want it to be based soly on the market

many of us would be homeless by now

[winged obsidian]

So if the market value of a house is $2MM but the assessed value is $500k and the official property tax is 1%, then the tax of 5k is effectively 0.25%. I'm not talking about fair one way or another. I'm talking about math, economics, and truth.