the-water-cooler

[gleaming crater]

I've been to houston before and had to uber 5 minutes away to a restaurant because there was literally no walkable path out of my hotel

[primal laurel]

yeah I've seen the videos, just a different world

for me it would be unliveable but if you're used to relying on a car for everything you do for all your life...

[gleaming crater]

At least my town is rather walkable/bikeable

[dire spear]

walking is for the weak

oh, wait, no, got that backwards

[iron granite]

Weak the for is walking?

[dire spear]

my area is very bike friendly, and it makes some people angry. we added bike lanes to one street and people just park in them out of spite.

they are finally this year making barriers

[ocean oar]

Our city is busy fucking up the streets installing bike lanes (which I normally support), while we're in the middle of a crisis where 40% of our water supply is leaking

They really need to get their priorities in order, on that one. Do the bike lane if you have to dig up the road anyway, otherwise just fix the damn pipes

[dire spear]

O_o

you are surrounde by water. why does it matter if its leaking/

😛

[gleaming crater]

People are spiteful assholes who hate change, it's a wonder we got this far as a species

[dire spear]

ha

[gleaming crater]

I live on a street that got closed to thru traffic as part of the walkable city inititive

So they put these big temporary signs at the ends of the road saying as much

A couple people on this block apparently declared war on them and kept destroying or defacing the signs

Like allI can imagine is their tiny t-rex arms struggling to steer their oversized pickup around the barrier and getting mad every time

I don't see how having a quiet, residential neighborhood with very little thru traffic isn't a benefit to my property values

[sudden forge]

The weather isn't very bike friendly round here at the moment

Part of my commute home

Had to detour another route

Was clear on Saturday, just mucky. Back in Jan though, bring your swimsuit

[gleaming crater]

Around here we'd build foot bridges over that

But that maybe looks less regular

[sudden forge]

More of the area I commute through

This is the 3rd flood of 2024

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-wooper-pokemon-gif-25172892

[sudden forge]

Only got little 20" wheels on my bike

[gleaming crater]

I still want to buy an electric, my town is all hills

[sudden forge]

I built an electric

[gleaming crater]

But I'm so tall it's gotta be entirely custom build

Nobody makes a bike for me except maybe the danes lol

[sudden forge]

Mine isn't anything fancy

Just took an existing bike I had and slapped a motor on it

But I don't tend to get much use out of it, my area is pretty flat and it didn't take too much to build the stamina to just ride around unassisted

[gleaming crater]

My current bike doesn't have disc brakes and that's basically unworkable with the hills around me and an electirc

[sudden forge]

Eh, you'd be surprised what little difference the brakes make on an electric, and depending on the exact setup you go for, regen braking can be possible

[gleaming crater]

I live on a gigantic hill lol

Basically this whole town is hills tho

[sudden forge]

Riding style factors in heavily. If you're building a higher power ebike to fly around at 30mph all the time, brakes are then gonna be a big factor

But if it's just a motor to assist you a bit at speeds a cyclist can naturally achieve, it's surprising how little brake you need

Good set of pads on V's can be fine

[gleaming crater]

I've had every cyclist in seattle tell me you can't ride around here without disc brakes on an electric

[sudden forge]

Hills bigger problem than the motor

[ocean oar]

Our city is basically 100% hills.
My partner rides one of these https://www.niu.com/en/n-series/ which seems to cope pretty well with it.
Actually costs less than a lot of e-bikes, but has the same "light" licensing/registration requirements as a 50cc petrol scooter.

Sometimes I can't figure out what the companies that make bikes are smoking when it comes to those pricetags

[sudden forge]

Yeah I wouldn't lend any credence to that.

So, an ebike itself doesn't inherently need any more braking effort, the motor wouldn't be running while you're braking, it's just a regular bike at that point.
But the very real difference is the added weight of the motor and battery, so it is a heavier bike

[gleaming crater]

Trying to stop a heavy bike (and a heavy me) on a steep grade with rubber eraser rim brakes doesn't sound fun

I'm 2m tall lol

[sudden forge]

But the motor and battery? My motor and it's gearbox is 3.6Kg, technically adds less weight to the bike than that as that's 3.6kg counting it's chain ring and the bike would have had a chain ring regardless

I weighed the battery on its own
3.5Kg

So in total I've only put 7kg on the bike over its non electrified form

[gleaming crater]

What size motor tho

Everyone around here tends to go to the legal limit or over because of how steep the hillls are lol

[sudden forge]

It's a 500W motor, but the only difference between the 250, 500 and 750W models of that system is firmware and motor windings. They all weigh the same

Specifically there's a 36V and a 48V winding

[gleaming crater]

Interesting

[sudden forge]

And then theres 250 and 500W firmwares for the 36V, and 500 and 750W firmwares for the 48

They pretty much just software current limit the things

[gleaming crater]

yeah I hear people talking about firmware unlocks for bikes

[sudden forge]

You can push even higher wattages through it with custom firmwares but it can't cope thermally, even the unit I have gets a bit melty at 750W if pushed hard all day

Apparently a bbshd which is a fairly popular motor that'll do 750W all day (or higher) is about 5-6kg

Plus battery

But basically you're looking at adding 5-10kg to a bike unless you're going for bonkers setups

[gleaming crater]

A popular brand around here is rad bikes and they seem way overbuilt lol

[sudden forge]

So weight wise. Brakes aren't as big a deal as you'd think. What luggage you're carrying could sometimes hit that difference

And rim brakes on hills, okay they're on full carbon race frames and tightly controlled diets etc, but you seen the tour de France?

Those guys will go flying down the Alps putting their brakes through far more work than a Seattle commuter on rim brakes

[gleaming crater]

Those bikes aren't even in the same universe tho lol

[sudden forge]

Good pads and a little maintenance go a damn long way still

A lot of people when they think rim brakes are thinking oh no, plastic armed V brakes that are super bendy etc

But a lot can actually exceed the braking force of hydro disks

[gleaming crater]

It's not like comparing disc to drum brakes lol

[sudden forge]

I do love my hydraulic discs on my ebike, mostly because of the lowered maintenance, things need bleeding once and that's it

But the rim brakes on my other bikes haven't been a problem

<@&330946878646517761> dog vomit in aisle 4

[gleaming crater]

Lol thanks for cleaning up that eyesore

[sudden forge]

I was going to electrify this bike

but honestly, been doing alright enough on improving my fitness anyway, that I am kinda just appreciating that thing as it is

Converting it to an ebike would make a bigger difference to its weight than most bikes, it just doesnt weigh anything in first place

Things all of 10.5kg

and fits in my car which my ebike doesnt very easily

[brazen fable]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/19/24077233/wyze-security-camera-breach-13000-customers-events

Reason #203 why you don't use cloud connected cameras lol

[orchid rose]

Wait this happened again? I was just talking about this the other day with someone

[static schooner]

their RCA seemed weird:

The incident was caused by a third-party caching client library that was recently integrated into our system. This client library received unprecedented load conditions caused by devices coming back online all at once. As a result of increased demand, it mixed up device ID and user ID mapping and connected some data to incorrect accounts.

I guess it was some kind of race condition?

or hash collision?

[hollow glacier]

the intern who "wrote the code" found the code off tumblr instead of stackoverflow

[gleaming crater]

my first edge cache?

[prisma briar]

Stupid idea for the day: Put a ring of argb leds under the inside lip of a toilet bowl and a ring of microphones along with it and make it track the noise and light up where you pee

Some bar might buy something like that as an attraction

[iron granite]

Or like runway lighting for the night

[prisma briar]

'line up and piss here', helps keep floors clean!

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/rCT1qAtGeXQ.gif

[prisma briar]

I had my slack picture set to him for like a year until someone thought that was actually me

[hollow glacier]

how much do clothes cost in the matrix?

[prisma briar]

There's another good quote from that movie but I think the mods here would disapprove

watch?v=mmPYHT2cbRE

[ocean oar]

Bonus points if you can vary the intensity in real time to help you aim for the centre?

[prisma briar]

I was thinking make the whole bowl slowly get brighter like you've got iridescent pee that's building up in the bowl

[ocean oar]

That also works

[gleaming crater]

It would be eaiser to do that with a kinect mounted over the toilet lol

[crisp oriole]

Wong vid

Home assistant can now make phone calls

[tidal bronze]

Bad business model. If you can walk straight and get there, bad bartender.

[prisma briar]

What? The rgb toilet bowl with built-in audio surveillance isn't going to sell?

[tidal bronze]

Might work if it made a phone call or two.

[prisma briar]

This is why phones need aux jacks, a public bluetooth toilet would take too long to pair to.

[ocean oar]

Now you're onto something. Perhaps like chat roulette, randomly connects you to another person who's also using the toilet.

Hangs up automatically when you flush

[tidal bronze]

Yep, let's talk some VC infusion here.

No more leaning, sad.

[prisma briar]

Have a camera aiming up at the person's face, project the face of the person they're connected to into the water in the bowl

[tidal bronze]

Welp need a different sensor for waterless stuff. Lol

[tidal bronze]

You trying to pull a Wyze here?

[ocean oar]

Heh, maybe you need to spray a fine mist into the toilet then you could make their image 3D by projecting it into the mist

[prisma briar]

We could sell the face photos to the police for tracking too

[solar zealot]

the police gets alerted automatically if too much alcohol is being detected and you arrived by car

[tidal bronze]

Must have a solution for folks addicted to bushes like @forest edge as well.

[tidal bronze]

Non starter

[solar zealot]

this is a premium subscription feature

9.99 per toilet and month

[prisma briar]

comes with 1CCF/mo of flushage, additional blocks are $10/block

[solar zealot]

wiithout subscription it will play ads at full volume

[tidal bronze]

Maybe my proven sitting or standing sensor will be helpful here.

[prisma briar]

The same exact ads that are played on gas stations

[solar zealot]

i cant believe americans are getting served ads at the gas station

[prisma briar]

They all have a button on them to mute them at least

And I've seen a non-zero number of them smashed

[solar zealot]

good

in this case

[prisma briar]

Yea, there's nothing else worthwhile on those screens

Well, sometimes they'll show weather forecasts instead

I don't mind that

[solar zealot]

we tend to not have displays on them at all

[prisma briar]

Yea, the entire thing seems wasteful

[solar zealot]

just the usual volume and price meters

[prisma briar]

They should do chat roulette on the gas station pump screens

Pumping your gas, it connects you with some random person somewhere on earth also pumping gas

[solar zealot]

i dont think thats the usual content of that site

[prisma briar]

pumping something

[solar zealot]

didnt they even shut it down

[prisma briar]

omegle shut down

[solar zealot]

oh right

same stuff

[prisma briar]

Omegle was a dumb site

Not that Chat Roulette isn't equally dumb

I just think the idea of screens/cameras around that connect you to random people doing the same thing as you is funny

[solar zealot]

there should be an linkedin version of that

where it connects random teams meetings together

[iron granite]

Isn't that called Wyze?

[solar zealot]

i dont think they sell the new business opportunities™️ of tomorrow™️

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge finishing up some Dungeness crab shebang style and was thinking of you. 😆

[static schooner]

#!/bin/crab

[static schooner]

that looks like a vegan crab

[iron granite]

Brussels crab

[forest edge]

is that one of those 10k ovens? lol

[solar zealot]

All that to cook in aluminum foil

To not get the tray dirty 😄

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/OTUgMDQaR8E?si=uNn7l0OVlgkN7N_Q

[static schooner]

It's a shame that you have to have Amazon Prime to get the Stargate to work

it's one thing to be able to dial the DHD, and another to get the splashy bits to activate

[ocean oar]

BMBB Alexa is still best Alexa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW5TvT1mo9k

[forest edge]

speaking of which I have seen some pretty creative diy methods to try and simulate that effect. most are complete crap but people do try lol

[ocean oar]

I'm imagining curtains and some sort of pneumatic cannon

[static schooner]

I think it at least needed a projection screen behind it rather than fancy drapes 🙂

[forest edge]

the stargate by itself is still pretty neat. don't think i would ever put one in my home but just to show it off is neat. https://youtu.be/NaNYQcxR4TE?si=9zVctEYM2usG_DIv

[static schooner]

It had a distinct my spouse let me move all the furniture out the room and erect this monstrosity, but that's as far as they'd go vibe

[forest edge]

follow up to the one i posted above, i just couldn't justify the space and it would take up. i wouldn't mind the hours put into it but the space over time.. https://youtu.be/8niRFF-aKAM?si=gdwLvO2jGW9cN0no

[ocean oar]

This might be contentious, but I was not at all a fan of the SGA Stargate. It's too... electronic, or somehing.
Both the SG1 and the SGU ones with their physical movement I like, but the just lighting version seems wrong somehow.

[forest edge]

none of them really came close to the original but they had do something to keep it fresh

[tidal bronze]

So what's your preferred method to grill crabs?

[forest edge]

with some type of heat source

[tidal bronze]

Just wondering. Some are bag people.

I am foil poeple

[forest edge]

enjoy your constipation from eating too much crab

[tidal bronze]

What's that?

[forest edge]

you probably counter balance it with that other crap that induces diarrhea lol

[tidal bronze]

Frigate audio detection is next level.

[forest edge]

i briefly looked at that. no idea how you even set that up

was thinking of maybe doing that one of of my mothers back patio cameras but not for dog barks

[tidal bronze]

Easy setup. Going to test on smoke alarms soon.

Add to configuration and good to go.

[prisma briar]

I know the guy who bought the iris from the earth gate at auction

Said it cost him a few thousand dollars

[forest edge]

was it made of foam?

[static schooner]

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if these fan-built models are better than the on-screen ones 🙂

[prisma briar]

Not sure, I never saw it in person.

I knew him online in an IRC channel I was active in for like 15 years. We watched through most of Stargate in there.

[neon hawk]

anyone know of a good rotary dial product (with or without a screen) like an M5stack Dial?

[dusky plank]

Hue has rotary switches

I like them, expensive but good

[neon hawk]

yeah same thing, a bit too expensive and I am not really into the hue eco system, more or a raw ESPHome DIY sort of guy 😉

[solar zealot]

What the hell are bag people

They clearly must be put into the microwave

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/cappelaeremorgan-morganmotherfuckingfreeman-trashbagmalmo-shake-that-booty-gif-20078237

[dusky plank]

Its just #zigbee-archived

[low harness]

Whew. Close one 🟨🟩⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛ ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛ ⬛🟩🟩🟩🟩 ⬛🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[orchid rose]

Quordle is where it's at

[red rock]

https://duotrigordle.com/

[gleaming crater]

I hate word games because I’m a terrible speller, guessing words from letter clues is like…. uhhhh… yeah…. lol

Paying attention to individual letters feels like trying to work with bitwise operators lol

[subtle pasture]

I'm thinking ultrasonic mist screen and a projector?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COJE99gA9BA&list=TLGGmkHZbPN9Rn8yMDAyMjAyNA&t=6s

You could probably do something fancy with the laminar flow that's trapping the fog in a sheet to create the whirlpool effect

[forest edge]

use mustard gas and invite the neighbors to take a trip to another world

[last cedar]

Question....
if adult axolotls are axolotls... || are baby axolotls axalittles? ||

https://tenor.com/view/axolotl-smile-happy-cute-animal-smiling-gif-12642274

[gleaming crater]

Aren't all axolotls basically in permanent juvenile gene expression and never metamorphize into an adult normally?

I've heard of breeders stressing them out bad enough to force it

[static schooner]

that thing is straight out of Pokemon

or some b-grade animatronic TV show from Nickelodeon from the 80s

I can also imagine that that's the video just before it eats your face off

https://tenor.com/view/mad-hiss-futurama-nibbler-gif-19519996

[gleaming crater]

they all look like someone drew a face on a thumb with a sharpie

[solar zealot]

Buy em fast, they go quick

[dire spear]

inject with iodine will cause them to grow up i think

[gleaming crater]

I'm pretty sure it drastically shortens their lifespan too

[dire spear]

kids are bored of them after 3 months anwyay

😛

[gleaming crater]

A healthy aquarium is very much not a kid activity lol

[dire spear]

ha

[gleaming crater]

My dog is a weirdo, she likes to use hard surfaces as a pillow

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-pet-christmas-holiday-leds-gif-9340662214929212847

Is your dog already integrated in HA?

[static schooner]

Looks like it swallowed Christmas lights

[iron granite]

A Shiba RGB-Inu

[gleaming crater]

Actually I'm going to be building a smart ultrasonic outdoor horn with frigate bark detection to make the neighbor's chihuahua shut the eff up

[ocean oar]

One of my colleagues has his cats in HA. They've got bluetooth trackers on their collars, so he can follow them around the house.

[gleaming crater]

Or even my own dogs if they go on a bork frenzy lol

[iron granite]

"Does your dog bite?" - "No, he swallows in one piece."

[gleaming crater]

Lol my son built a computer with rgb everything, and then realized he can’t sleep with it on in the room

He’s like my next build will be blacked out

[primal laurel]

You can turn it off when its in sleep mode

Or just turn the pc off

[iron granite]

Or unplugging the RGB header, if used

[primal laurel]

Not very practical

[gleaming crater]

This kid got ram with RGB in it lol, I'm sure there is some software setting to shut it off.... maybe

He just shuts the computer down at night lol

[primal laurel]

Yeah there is

I did it

Either in bios or using some app

[iron granite]

I wouldn't place a bet with cheap RGB components

[prisma briar]

heh, nice. My power estimate from my vue was $333.51, my actual bill was $329.34

[orchid rose]

it's all just basic ws2812 stuff with PC's. I have my fans controlled by ESP home with the standard header

Without rgb I would be nothing

[tidal bronze]

Looks great to display some ledfx ocean bass

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/rgb-rgb-intensifies-intensifies-intense-corsair-rgb-gif-13433637

I’m all about that RGBWW

[tidal bronze]

It's a crab thing 😆

[solar zealot]

this must be something i am too poor to know

[dire spear]

That seems like a lot of power.

i spend the day looking into government programs to put 5" of foam on my roof and solar panels.

[prisma briar]

Yup, and now I can track the huge chunk of it that's not my usage and charge the responsible parties accordingly.

[dire spear]

ooh, tenants?

that makes more sens

[prisma briar]

Yea, I lease two rooms out

And one of them has a bunch of fishtanks in an enclosed but uninsulated part of the house that rely on resistive heat

[dire spear]

eep

[prisma briar]

And refuses to listen to me when I ask for things like insulation wrapped around the tanks and covers for the tops

[prisma briar]

So instead I'm going to charge him for all the usage on that circuit

[dire spear]

are you allowed?

[prisma briar]

I'm renting them out to friends I've lived with for about 6 years now, once I got hard numbers that showed how much he was costing just himself he agreed to pay it.

[dire spear]

anyhow. how is the vue system. thats one of the ones i was looking at cause it was somewhat cheap.

[dire spear]

azhh ok

[prisma briar]

The thing that I didn't get was the complete refusal to install insulation on the tanks, I already had bubblewrap foam insulation on hand I offered to just give him

[dire spear]

but then you cant see the fishies?

[prisma briar]

I was suggesting wrap the sides and bottoms not visible

[dire spear]

why not insulate the room. line it with some foam

[prisma briar]

It's a really janky outdoor area I'd rather just tear down and return to outdoors myself

[dire spear]

ahhh

so yer wastig money heating the outside

[prisma briar]

Some previous homeowner ran joists literally between my house and the next door house and put a corrugated plastic roof on it

[dire spear]

ha

[prisma briar]

Yea, and I won't let him bring the fishtanks inside because at the last place we rented together he didn't take care of things like drying the floor off after he dumped 60 gallons of water, I had to find out by stepping on it then put fans on it myself.

[dire spear]

if i do the foam encasing and a heat pump and the small solar kit, the power company should end up paying me. and the loan is about $120 a month for 10 years interest free. win win win.

[prisma briar]

I wish I could have got a rebate for my heat pump

But, no, I had to have it professionally installed for the rebate

[dire spear]

right now my average electric bill is about $130us

cause i got a hole in the roof and resistive heat

ha

[prisma briar]

My share of the power bill once the fishtanks were removed is $73

[dire spear]

ah yeah. no rebate on the pump here unless its pro. but then its still 15k vs 3

not worth it to me on a little house

[dire spear]

holy crap haha

fancy fish

[prisma briar]

yea, that's why I was getting pissed at him about the usage

I was paying like $60/mo for those tanks out of my own pocket

[dire spear]

my neighbour has the same house as me but with good insulation and their bill is more like 70usd a month

the foam will be a big step even above their house. so im hoping it cuts is way way down

[prisma briar]

I paid about $3200 for my unit. I got a fourth minisplit head for $1000 but never actually installed it since it wasn't actually going to increase the capacity of my existing system at all. I'm probably going to get another heat pump to power that one instead of hooking it to my existing system, I just need the outdoor unit and found some for about $500.

[dire spear]

solar panals will generate 8000-10000kwh a year (so they claim)

[sudden forge]

I am paying a fortune in leccy here, but thats just the rates being high unfortunately

[dire spear]

mine will be 24k btu ducted. 2200cdn, plus some tools, pump, , vacuum, and then making dusting

[prisma briar]

My rate is about $0.13usd/kwh

[dire spear]

eeeew

crazy expensive

[sudden forge]

compared to UK

thats basically free

[dire spear]

its 8 cents cdn off peak here

[prisma briar]

Lol, you're going to piss a lot of people off saying that's expensive.

Some of the people on here have power rates closer to like $0.30-$0.50/kwh

[dire spear]

yeah im teasing. our electricity price is "fake". set by the gov

the rest is in taxes on the rich

my friend in denmark has power up to 1 euro /kwh

[sudden forge]

51.810 pence per kWh for my first 2 units, then 28.77p per kWh for each unit after that.
Basically 65 cents US for first 2 then 36 cents after that

[prisma briar]

My current system is a 36k btu system I've got three 12k heads on. I can hook another head to it but all it'd get me is more flexibility from room to room. I have another 18k head just sitting here so I was probably going to get another 18k compressor.

[dire spear]

thats why canada can be a bit slow adopting renewabile stuff. cause the big waterfall makes nice cheap power.

[dire spear]

i want to try ducting for a more even distribution

[gleaming crater]

Ouch, I pay at most 13 cents a kWh

[sudden forge]

part of the problem in UK is that the price for electricity is paid assuming it was generated purely from gas, even if it wasnt

[prisma briar]

I have a ducted furnace and can turn on just the blower fan in it for airflow

[sudden forge]

If its a damn windy day and those turbines are spinning good and energy is dirt cheap? Doesnt matter, I still pay as if the provider was using gas

[gleaming crater]

Terrible

[dire spear]

if its windy here all the turbines are shut down

[prisma briar]

My house used to have ducted A/C too but it had all leaked out before I bought the house and it was going to be stupidly expensive to replace that system

[dire spear]

wind is hard to harness here, cause its either not enough to be useful, or gusting 130kph and breaking everything.

[sudden forge]

I have recently halved my gas bill for heating though

[dire spear]

we have tried some pilot projects

[sudden forge]

UK has a fair bit of reliable wind

and quite regularly in the off peak hours has issues with there being more wind generation than grid load

Which you'd think would be ideal for giving me cheap leccy during those hours, but of course not -.-

[dire spear]

we have a 2mw turbine in a park downtown. i think at the time it was the largest in north america. they ran it for maybe 20 years as a trial.

1mwh average for that turbine.

hm

[prisma briar]

Personally I like the ability to control rooms individually. I generally set my gas furnace to like 19C and use the heat pumps to heat individual rooms past that, while other people keep their rooms cool.

[sudden forge]

Unfortunately adding to my woes, I have a rooftop facing the wrong direction for solar, and am in a rental anyway

[dire spear]

cant really have a personal turbine i dont think here. cheap (ish) solar will be more useful to me.

[dire spear]

doh. one side of my roof is southeast, so it should be good

[sudden forge]

And here, the efficiency diff between heat pumps and gas boiler+radiators as we use here, kinda equals out on cost to run

So fitting a heat pump, not ever going to have a return on investment

[dire spear]

gas. thats so 80s

[gleaming crater]

When the market price is effed heat pumps don’t always work out

[sudden forge]

mains gas is much much cheaper per unit than electricity is

to a ratio that roughly equals the efficiency gain of the heatpump

[dire spear]

heatpump roi here is 4 years maybe. for one of the cheaper diy models

[sudden forge]

the 2 basically cancel out to "yeah you pay the same either way"

and thats completely excluding the costs of installing one

[gleaming crater]

At least you get aircon with a heat pump

[dire spear]

see its gone the opposite here. gas gdoubled in price and electricity is more or less fixed

[sudden forge]

most here are air to water

running the radiators on them

so no, dont get AC on them

[gleaming crater]

Eww lol

[dire spear]

whats the point of that?

haha

[sudden forge]

Easier retrofit in a home already using a boiler

and if you have a hot water tank (common here, though I dont have one), then they can also provide your hot water

[dire spear]

meh

[gleaming crater]

Give me central forced air before a radiator please lol

[dire spear]

just the idea of radiators and a boiler is offensive to me

haha

[sudden forge]

In my lifetime, I havent been in a single domestic setting with forced air

we just do not do that here

[gleaming crater]

It’s pretty much bog standard here

[dire spear]

not even in scottland where its colder/

[sudden forge]

No, even many nordic countries use radiators

[dire spear]

force air is the norm here.

[gleaming crater]

Plus isn't it more efficient than radiant heat?

[dire spear]

big furnace with 500,000btu.

[sudden forge]

nope

both pretty much same

[dire spear]

yeah. provided you arent losing heat they are the same

[gleaming crater]

With forced air you get to keep heating the same air warmer and warmer

[sudden forge]

but this is it, this is all that warms my study

[dire spear]

force air in theory will be more uniform

[sudden forge]

with radiator you keep warming the same air warmer and warmer

[dire spear]

no ventilation though

[gleaming crater]

I'd argue the same reason a convection oven is better than a radiant one...

[sudden forge]

Except these things are mostly convective 😛

[dire spear]

i have resistive heaters for the moment. til i get the new system

[prisma briar]

Yea, on the most optimal day my heat pump is on par with my furnace in price. The rest of the time it's just convenient zoned heating, or my A/C in the summer. If I didn't DIY the install it would have been unrealistic.

[dire spear]

my house originally had a wood stove in the middle.

[sudden forge]

they raise an updraft through their central core

And essentially cycle the air through the room slowly

[dire spear]

then in the 60s they installed baseboard radiators and a boiler. horrible.

[sudden forge]

baseboard radiators are pretty shitty

[dire spear]

very shitty

[prisma briar]

Had those at my first apartment after I moved out of my parents house, they were terrible.

[sudden forge]

these more modern ones though, work pretty well

[dire spear]

yeah its common in some older appartments here

[sudden forge]

This one is a dual core, you can get triple core units these days too

[dire spear]

you can also just run pex in the floor.

[prisma briar]

That apartment had electric as a flat fee so I just ran space heaters everywhere

[sudden forge]

the only issue they have with heat pumps is that heat pumps tend to have a lower working temperature for the fluid

[dire spear]

nice warm floor

but in all cases, use way more power than a heat pump

unless the boiler is a heat pump of course

we dont really have those here

[sudden forge]

And so a radiator thats area was sized up based on 80c fluid, but running on 60c fluid, becomes inadequate

[gleaming crater]

Around here I use my furnace as much to filter the air when there are forest fires in the summer

Can't always open a window to cool down either

[sudden forge]

That said many newer heat pumps are now able to run the system at 80c

[prisma briar]

Heatpump water heaters never made a ton of sense to me. They don't really get your water super hot and they dump cold air out you need to deal with.

[sudden forge]

THeyre splits

[dire spear]

floor heating is only 25c

[sudden forge]

Yeah and thats popular in new builds

[prisma briar]

So you're running a line to deal with taking the cold outside then

[dire spear]

there are both

ive seen the ones you are talking about

real stupid

ha

[sudden forge]

Pretty much, the systems we run have the hot side indoors replacing where the boiler went, and the cold side outdoors

[prisma briar]

Yea, the one I saw in person dumped into the room

Was basically a window A/C slapped on a water tank

[sudden forge]

I have seen the free standing hot water cylinders with heat pumps, but thats not what we use here

[dire spear]

the main issue with electric heat is capacity. like an instant water heater needs 120amps. thats not easy to do. gas flow is (virtulally) unlimited in comparison. so 200k+ btu is easy

[sudden forge]

Hence why we dont have the instant water heater

Hot side of the heat pumps we use here can heat a water tank

[dire spear]

our water is too cold here for one

[prisma briar]

You can get a normal tank electric heater that only draws like 2kw

[sudden forge]

Work does have a few of the instant ones though

spicy

[dire spear]

yeah my old boiler had an indirect water tank

that was gas though

fancy new german kit they put in the house before i bought it... and then i ripped it out and sold it for $2500 haha

thats was 96k btu. (26kw?) nice and adequate, but not when gas prices skyrocket

[sudden forge]

i've got an ESPHome setup now running per room thermostats with my radiators though

[dire spear]

i have an ecobee

which is actually doing quite well

[sudden forge]

discovered the valve heads for underfloor heating manifolds fit british radiators

[sudden forge]

so you can see it bottom left here

[dire spear]

oh so each rad can be a zone?

[sudden forge]

yup

[dire spear]

my system had a tyco controller with 4 pump controllers. then grunfos pumps

[sudden forge]

the sonoff r2 down there is reflashed with esphome, provides a thermostat entity to home assistant and a single binary sensor, and imports temperature from the zigbee room temp sensor I have in here already

self manages its relay output, the binary sensor simply indicates in HA whether the radiator is on

[dire spear]

i want to hack my electric fireplace to respond to the thermostat.

[sudden forge]

then a Shelly 1 also reflashed on the boiler monitors all the binary sensors for each controller I have setup and enables the boiler accordingly

the only room that is any different is the lounge, it doesnt have a valve interface on it

Manual taps on it still, refitting it with a valve is on the todo list

its still got an esp32 presenting a thermostat card and managing a heat demand for that room though

[prisma briar]

I have a natural gas fireplace I looked into putting an electric controller on, ended up deciding I didn't want HA to be able to start a literal fire.

[dire spear]

ha

eyah

in this case all it really is is a blower heater with 2 750w elements. (and some lights)

[sudden forge]

yeah I have an electric heater I refitted with zigbee at one point

[dire spear]

it is just for backup if the heat pump fails at -30c

[sudden forge]

yup, mines on a home assistant generic thermostat and set for a much lower temp than the radiator in that zone is

and is basically only there if the gas packs up somehow

[dire spear]

my condo heat pump failed only once in the heat, never in cold (before dying after 16 years)

i have no idea what the power use was though, i didnt pay for power.

[sudden forge]

small home, 3 breakers only

been pretty easy to throw a shelly 3EM at that problem now

its not been active for long, and turns out I dont use my oven much

[dire spear]

ha

i use my oven and cook top at minimum probably 1kwh a day.

90% of my power is heat though. in the months i dont need heat or ac, i use like 6 or 8 kwh a day total

so when i get solar, i will be earning up to maybe 40kwh a day back

which will then offset winter when the solar doesnt do much

[tidal bronze]

That would be the automation of the year

[sudden forge]

boiler has only been on for a grand total of 30 minutes today

electric front, used 3.64 units

[dire spear]

i use up to 100kwh a day for heat. although its not very cold today

[sudden forge]

and I have checked, the metering on the shelly and on my energy provider at the end of a 5kWh consumed day were within 2 or 3Wh of each other

[dire spear]

nice

[tidal bronze]

Huh

[sudden forge]

I was previously thinking about doing the old monitor the LED on the meter trick

But where's the fun in that

I only had three breakers and the Shelly went on sale on black Friday

[dire spear]

vs sept

[sudden forge]

Took awhile to get around to fitting it though

That resistive heat is just nasty

[dire spear]

yes

but also, its really cold and i have giant holes

in the ceiling letting air out

[sudden forge]

I was basically running pure resistive heat for 2 weeks over winter when one of my radiators sprung a leak and drained the system for me

But I was just isolating self to 2 rooms

[dire spear]

im right in the efficiency zone for the heat pump for the last month. my bill would be 40-50% of what it is this month. (save $150)

but in comparison. if i foam the roof, the bill will probably be 15% of that it is this month

soo, foam first. heat pump later

[sudden forge]

Yeah, good insulation goes a darn long way

[dire spear]

and air sealing

[sudden forge]

My cat got extra snuggly

Harvesting the warmth off of me

[dire spear]

ha

[sudden forge]

I couldnt complain, she was a good hot water bottle

But it is just me in this house so it was pretty viable to keep something set up and the weather wasn't too harsh either

[prisma briar]

I put a 5000w heater in my garage to keep my garage above freezing, I got a large one to handle that if the garage door is left open. It can keep the room at 24C on the coldest days if the door is closed, though. That's really damn expensive, lol.

Like 70kwh that one day to the heater

[dire spear]

ha

yeah i have a 5kw heater when i bought the house and it had a hole in the floor and my power bill was $521

[sudden forge]

I have a great solution to heat my garage

Can't heat what doesn't exist 😉

[dire spear]

and it was still freezing

then i sprayfoamed the utility room and the bill was 300

[prisma briar]

My garage is almost fully insulated, there's about a 6' section of wall that's not. I put insulation on the door too

But the concrete slab at the bottom isn't and that never heats up

[dire spear]

ah nice

[prisma briar]

I considered dense foam with plywood on it to insulate the floor in the garage

I might still do that eventually

dense foam->plywood->vinyl fake wood flooring

[dire spear]

i did 1/2" foam, 1/4" ply, then kitchen tile.

[sudden forge]

Any garage I get will probably remain a concrete slab

[dire spear]

it did help

[sudden forge]

Wanna work on cars and bikes and such in one

[prisma briar]

If I did that and insulated that last wall my garage would basically be a habitable room

[dire spear]

its put a wood floor in my garage

[prisma briar]

Would need to replace some drywall and paint

[sudden forge]

And eh, it'd have to be hardy enough to take a car being jacked up on it

Without me going oh no I scratched the floor

[dire spear]

2x6 nail laminated timber cross ways. cheaper and nicer than a slab

[sudden forge]

Speaking of, I still need to try and make a new tool to adjust my coilovers

Theyre pretty seized, and just as it felt like it was gonna start moving, the spanner that came with them bent

[dire spear]

use a wrench instead

[sudden forge]

It's not just a nice hex head

It's a lock ring around the shock body

[dire spear]

spanners are not a real thing. they are called wrenches.

i have lots of the toothed wrenches cause they are used for CNC tooling

[sudden forge]

I'll call you a spanner if you keep disrespecting my language like that 😛

In British English it's a spanner

[dire spear]

"language". cute that you think its a language

[sudden forge]

Unless it's a pipe wrench in which case it's a wrench

[dire spear]

everything is a wrench here. not sure why.

[dire spear]

unless its pins. then thats a spanner

[sudden forge]

But yeah this is basically what I have to interface with

[dire spear]

just cnc a spanner from 4140 prehard

[sudden forge]

On the body of the shock itself

I don't have a cnc

[dire spear]

well, see thats your first problem

[sudden forge]

I also don't have the space and tooling to remove the shock from the car either really

So pretty limited to what I can do on an axle stand at the moment

[prisma briar]

One of the guys I lease a room to just got a small CNC, I need to figure out how to use it

[dire spear]

cnc is fun

small ones not usually very useful, but still fun

[prisma briar]

Closest I've done to CNC was strapping a dremel to a 3d printer gantry

[dire spear]

haha

[sudden forge]

These are the tools you get included with the shocks, garbage things

[prisma briar]

It's like half a wrench

[dire spear]

the ones i have for cnc tooling are forged. might not be big enough though

[sudden forge]

Not sure exactly what they're made of, but it's not hardened for sure

[prisma briar]

it's like 2' x 3' I think

So not the smallest

[sudden forge]

Though that design if it was too hard would probably damage the lock ring

[prisma briar]

I want to see if I can get the precision on that CNC to mill out traces on pcbs

I would so love to be able to DIY PCBs at home

[dire spear]

mine can do that easy. but ive never tried

[sudden forge]

You ever get anywhere with the electronic shifter

[prisma briar]

I had it working on the ender 3 kinda, but it was too wobbly to get the pitch I needed for some of the qfps I was trying to work with

I did make a test board using a through hole atmel that worked though

[dire spear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMQLjtHSSw4

[prisma briar]

That reminds me, I wanted to try printing keycaps

I have a shit ton of gatreon switches and esp32s, I want to put them in boxes around to control lights

[dire spear]

fun

[prisma briar]

I already made one I mounted under my desk but I didn't have any proper keycaps for the functions the buttons do so it's just kind of a random collection of keycaps

[dire spear]

i can do custom engraved corian keycaps 😛

(they are super expensive sadly)

[prisma briar]

I was thinking either polycarbonate or PETG keycaps at 100% density

[dire spear]

the upper works. the stem wont work well if you print it

(ive tried... a lot)

ha

[sudden forge]

Still need to fix my printer

[prisma briar]

I think I could get the stem to work if I did PC

I'll go find a model and try one

[dire spear]

ill bet yoy a cat keycap you cant

😛

[sudden forge]

Also would be nice if I had the space to learn to woodwork and such ya know

[dire spear]

the issues its both strength and tolerance.

so even if pc wont break, it wont fit clean

[sudden forge]

But oh well. Even bike maintenance is an outside or middle of the lounge job

[prisma briar]

My printer does pretty damn well on tolerance

[dire spear]

you need an interference fit +- 0.01mm.

and even if you hit it, the cross will stretch out when you install it and over a short time come loose

anyhow. not stopping you from trying. just warning you it wont work too well

SLS nylon. these dont grip or stay on at all. I did stainless printed stems too. they dont have any give at all so they dont work either.

so i wounded up cncing them from delrin

downside, time which = money. $3 a stem. ah

[prisma briar]

Hmm, if I won I get a keycap, if you won I can't make you a keycap.

[dire spear]

hehe. oh you should try it if you want.

[prisma briar]

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1277297/files I was going to give this one a try

Will be done in like 25 minutes

I'm trying PETG as a support interface for PC, never tried that before so that might not work

[dire spear]

oh. i guess i should wanr you every keycap file out there is wrong by a looong way. (profile, size, shape, offset)

[prisma briar]

lol, fair

[dire spear]

but it should still function

[prisma briar]

Worst case I'll glue the keycaps on, I have hundreds of switches in boxes.

[dire spear]

my cherry file

[dire spear]

glue wont stick to the stem. that might be good, it will make it snug but not completely permanent

[prisma briar]

I'd probably find a glue that stuck

These are optimally going to be mounted elbow height on walls

[dire spear]

most keycap crosses are pom (maybe not all). i had to buy special solvent primers and gluye from 3m to make it stick hehe.

but it should stick "enough"

to make the cap stay on nice

[prisma briar]

expanding spray foam

/s

[dire spear]

ha

ive really begun to hate spray foam. it seems like a great idea until you need to remove it

same with PL glue

[prisma briar]

When I ran my minisplits I had to cut 4" holes in the wall and walled them off with nylon tubes, I filled the nylon tubes with sprayfoam after everything was installed.

[dire spear]

thats not a bad use

rats looove to dig sprayfoam i found. so i hope you put a little mesh of somekind in there

[prisma briar]

I 3D printed plastic caps for them

for the outside part at least

[dire spear]

ah cool

[prisma briar]

Though I think one is cracked now

[dire spear]

mmm, i want chicken and bacon bucatini alfredo

waiter!

oh, crap, im the waiter.. and the cook

[prisma briar]

Huh, my printer takes a while to preheat to PC temps

Never really paid attention to it before

[dire spear]

ah yeah. mine can take an hour.

(400x400_

[prisma briar]

Mine just hit temp

[dire spear]

i dont do pc, but i do nylon at 100c

[prisma briar]

256x256

Yea, I'm doing PC at 100

Well, 100 bed temp

The chamber isn't heated on my printer

[dire spear]

260 nozzle?

[dire spear]

my printer goes in a foam box so it keeps the chamber nice for nylon or abs

280!

[prisma briar]

I'm just doing the default settings for it

[dire spear]

mine dont go that high hah

[prisma briar]

Mine goes to 300C

And some people have done stupid stuff like separate the thermistor from the hotend to get them to go hotter

One guy got PEEK from a Bambu but definitely voided his warranty in the process

[dire spear]

eek

peek and ultem seems crazy to do

[steel crag]

here we just insert rat poison into the spray foam, beats a mesh cuz they eat thru that too

[prisma briar]

My dog learned she can open the sliding glass door when it's not locked and we ended up with a couple mice a couple weeks ago

I think I got them all though

I wouldn't mind her opening the door if she'd just close it when she's done but she never does

I wonder if I could actually train her for that

[dire spear]

pretty sure thats illegal here.

[steel crag]

rat poison?

[prisma briar]

Can't leave poison outside here

[dire spear]

using a poison outdoors

[prisma briar]

Too many peoples dogs were getting sick

[steel crag]

how is it outside if it's stuck into foam

I'm talking about in the hole you're foaming

[dire spear]

the hole is 'outside"

in this case

if it was inside, thats different

[steel crag]

well I can leave poison anywhere on my property

I don't, but I can

[dire spear]

well, i dont live in the wild west :p

[steel crag]

neither do I

[dire spear]

if theres any risk a squirrel or bird or some other animal can eat it is not allowed

[steel crag]

we don't have squirrels, and "other animals"

you sure you don't live in the wild west ? 😛

for rats you put the poison in a little plastic house outside

[dire spear]

haha

[steel crag]

at least that's what we do here

[prisma briar]

Living somewhere that doesn't have any animals except rats sounds kinda sucky

[dire spear]

indeed

[steel crag]

well there's iguanas

[dire spear]

ha

[steel crag]

and hundreds of types of birds

[dire spear]

iguanas in new jersey?

[steel crag]

but sadly no land mammals except one very endangered species

[dire spear]

rats?

[steel crag]

I don't live in new jersey

[prisma briar]

you're poisioning endangered rats?

[steel crag]

actually that's not strictly true, we have racoons but they aren't native

[steel crag]

no, but it is a rodent called the Hutia

it's like a smaller capybara

most our animal population is marine

as is most of the country 😄

[dire spear]

looks like a\ beaver

[steel crag]

so we have manatee, whales, dolphins and countless fish

[dire spear]

and fish posters?

[steel crag]

some cuban crocs too

fish posters?

[steel crag]

no, I have cats... I haven't seen a rat in years... alive at least

[prisma briar]

I have dogs and they'd play with the rats if they could

Probably lead them to their food bowl and watch as they ate

[steel crag]

murder kittens not so much

I feed like 11 stray cats

they don't play LOL

[prisma briar]

I'm allergic to cats

[dire spear]

im alergic to dog owners

[steel crag]

I did have a dog till late last year when my 15 year old pretty girl died

the cats loved her and she loved them

I'd go outside and she'd be sleeping with 4+ cats curled around her

[dire spear]

are you sure it wasnt an iguana?

[prisma briar]

petg as support for pc did not work

stuck together quite well

Good to know I can do PC/PETG prints though

[gleaming crater]

Lol you gotta use PLA for that

PETG is a sticky bitch

[prisma briar]

My slicer scoffed at using pla and pc in a print

Said the temp difference between them was too great

I just found a different model I won't need supports for

[prisma briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXdU6uXbS7w

https://www.printables.com/model/397305-cherry-mx-keycap-blank/files

Inserted and removed it around 20 times now, still fits great.

[dire spear]

hmmmm

nice

need to add stairs to my house. i like to start with the most crazy expensive design i can think of, then work my way down to whatever i can get at home depot 😛

[static schooner]

So..ladder made out of 2x4s

[dire spear]

those stairs are made of 2x4s actually. floors as well. laminated.

but the glass... nope. not gonna pay for that

haha

[ocean oar]

You know what else really helps on staircases? Handrails

Stayed in an airbnb place a couple of weeks ago, felt like I was about to die every time I had to descend the stairs because there was nothing to hold onto

[dire spear]

ha. handrail will be on the other side. i havent drawn that wall in yet

so this glass is $2000 cdn roughly. thats not as bad as i expected.

[static schooner]

Make sure it's not just ice

[dire spear]

its made form gummie bears

[dawn moth]

These are only 5 bucks a piece 👀

Are they any good?

[dire spear]

never heard of those ones

well their app is rated 2 stars

[forest edge]

the color led is pretty slick https://youtu.be/Jb2afzA9OE8?si=fKMSbZPHe-VZUDBo

[sudden forge]

If they do one in the UK/EU format I'd be interested tbh

Doesn't look like they do. Shame

[prisma briar]

Going to try a keycap with black PETG top, clear PETG sides, and 'clear black' PC for the stem.

[solar zealot]

two shot injection @ home

😄

Does the petg pc contact area fuse properly?

[prisma briar]

Not sure, this is the first print I've intentionally tried to fuse them

I tried PETG as support material earlier and it stuck to the PC pretty well

If this actually works and looks good I'll probably get a clear PC and a solid black PC and use just PC

[solar zealot]

👀

[prisma briar]

I might try just PETG too but I think PC is going to hold shape better for the stem

[solar zealot]

I think the normal ones are just abs

[prisma briar]

abs can be tricky to print to dimensional accuracy

Likes to warp and shrink as it prints

I've never been satisfied with ABS, personally.

[sudden forge]

Oh interesting. So inovelli could eventually do EU versions of their switches. I'll keep tabs

[solar zealot]

Smart switch companies still do not get it sadly

We don't need the most cursed looking assembly, just give us a proper insert and a bunch of default switch faces

[sudden forge]

I have a ZigBee 2 gang unit that is aesthetically pleasing enough

But it's build quality isn't the greatest

And it isn't the most functional

They've shown some renders for a European model, just proof of concept, and they look fine. But honestly I like their US ones, just resize it to fit an EU box, done

But a smart switch I can just stick in the wall and either use it with it switching the load with traditional bulbs or decouple it entirely. Thats interesting.

[prisma briar]

Seems to have, yea.

I did the first at .08mm layer height, this one was at .2mm layer height. The .08mm one fit a lot better.

Also I think I lost detail in the icon at .2mm

Also petg was warm to the point of being soft all the way through at pc bed temps

[solar zealot]

Neat

Are you using a rough build surface?

Or is that just how the black material ends up

[forest edge]

what it looks like after you sand 3d printed stuff.

[solar zealot]

Why would you sand it unless you were to apply paint

[forest edge]

prints are in layers.. if you wanted a smoother surface you have to sand it. i'm sure he's going to do something else rather than just leave it like that

[solar zealot]

Probably

[forest edge]

if you look at the second picture it shows the underside what the top side looked like originally after print

the grainy parts are likely from the build surface

[umbral cliff]

Given the bottom looks to be standard cherry keyboard keycaps, probably wants to add a layer for a key or something

[teal elbow]

Computer stats dashboard

[forest edge]

i like more of a compact view

[forest edge]

end of the world is here! https://youtu.be/NXQJqUdM6PY?si=zWna3UNtrV3-hBz5

[primal laurel]

looks great, we have that here too

[glacial knot]

Love it. it's great when you work from home, and for some reason a likeminded community gets people to talk more to each other 😮

[primal laurel]

it will take a few generations for american car brain to adjust

[gleaming crater]

Lol they named it culdesac

[forest edge]

more inclined it will only take one generation before they realize it was a shit idea lol

[gleaming crater]

Just stay in Texas

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze you hear that?

[glacial knot]

It'll depend on whether the supporting businesses survive

[gleaming crater]

Imagine having a car be most of your personal identity

[primal laurel]

City centers in Europe are all like this

[gleaming crater]

He watches “mah Fox News” and they tell him it’s bad

[forest edge]

what? i have only seen one thing in europe where there were no normal cars but some electric thing was used in their place

[glacial knot]

Not really.
City centers have a lot of outside traffic to support their stores
And generally have access to transportation in a preferred way by being the center of the star layout

[forest edge]

you imagine having to dolly for several hundreds of feet every big item you own or going to buy

even tv's with how light they are come in boxes so big a single person can't just carry it lol

[gleaming crater]

Speak for yourself tiny

[forest edge]

uh huh

[glacial knot]

Large cities have large-ish pedestrian areas.
But their composition is entirely different.

While they have residential, they also have a shop landscape and general pull on customers outside the community.
IMO this will either become a rich people play project or fail because it cannot exist in an otherwise vacuum

[forest edge]

it will fail i have no doubts there

the new fad here over the past 10 years have been apartments on top of business like grocery stores, banks etc but not restricted in a cluster next to a busy(ish) road

those seem to have held on somewhat but I have heard those buisnesses don't make nearly as much as their stand alone counterparts

[tidal bronze]

What's Fox News?

[gleaming crater]

Entertainment for smoothbrains

[forest edge]

whats a smoothbrain

[primal laurel]

based on the stuff you say here, people like you lol

[forest edge]

that dosen't really explain it

quad your smoothbrain apparently lol

[tidal bronze]

I haven't watched news in ages 😆

[gleaming crater]

Where will you get your manufactured outrage???

https://tenor.com/view/bloodcartier-gif-25860033

[forest edge]

explains why I never heard of that before

[tidal bronze]

Lol. Last time I guess it was 2015

[primal laurel]

dont understand what you mean?

[glacial knot]

All infrastructure (and this includes walkable shopping) in this blob is essentially only accessible to the inhabitants
While for most city centers, they are propped up by walk through traffic.

I.e. the only money in that needs to provide all amortized cost is salaries or wealth of 200 units.

[primal laurel]

not sure what kind of shops they will build, but the same principles apply as with city centres. People love shopping in pedestrian friendly areas. You can park on the outside of the area and then walk into it

at least that's what I do here...

[gleaming crater]

How will you buy new furniture and tvs on a weekly basis with such a communist setup lol

[glacial knot]

that's called a Mall 😂

[primal laurel]

open air mall lol

[primal laurel]

usually buy those outside of the city😅

[gleaming crater]

I was mostly sarcastic about the idea of planning your whole environment around something that happens quite infrequently

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/people-in-walmart-parking-lots-epic-car-flip-gif-24859009

[glacial knot]

Well, they need shops for daily needs for the inhabitants
But those have 0 draw factor to first take motorized transport (public or private) then walk through some somewhat residential area, just to have less convenience in the end

[gleaming crater]

Yeah they’re basically building an island experiment there

[primal laurel]

convenience compared to what?

[glacial knot]

Any large supermarket or something like a Mall

you know, the ways people currently shop

[gleaming crater]

I thought everyone shopped online now lol

[primal laurel]

How is that more convenient than going to a residential walkable area?

[glacial knot]

That as well

[glacial knot]

By having infrastructure geared for it
Have you never seen a supermarket?

A parking lot with provided carts is a lot less annoying to navigate than residential areas
And if you downscale to the point where carts aren't necessary, it starts being annoying to drive (or take a train) there.

[primal laurel]

I've been doing this all my life so it doesn't compute in my brain how this could be 'inconvenient' lol

[glacial knot]

because you've never used convenient infrastructure 😂

Walkable is nice, and I do most of my grocery shopping by foot since a decade or so

But when I take the car, I don't want to drive to the edge of some area and then start walking. That's big dumb

[solar zealot]

isnt that literally what garages are solving

stacking cars vertically

[static schooner]

I usually try to go cartless when shopping, even at Costco, but it can get pretty awkward just carrying an armful of stuff to my car

[solar zealot]

sounds like a great way of keeping the additional snacks out

[primal laurel]

I think we have different perspectives on what convenience is lol

[tidal bronze]

Costco cartless? How heartless?

[glacial knot]

So, Mall like areas^^
Not a residential area trying to make a point

[static schooner]

I'm more of a targeted Costco shopper

[tidal bronze]

I need some lessons. That's how I leave the house.

[solar zealot]

not sure but malls tend to be in residential areas around here

[static schooner]

I enjoy the experience of ease of movement amongst the sea of landlocked carts

[tidal bronze]

landlocked carts. lmao

Yep that's a thing

[teal elbow]

Hmm, gives me something to think about

[tidal bronze]

Planning to go for some eggs and wine. Let's see how it all ends.

[solar zealot]

what an odd combination

[static schooner]

I don't question the chef

[solar zealot]

everything can be fixed by more wine and less eggs

in case it doesnt work out

[static schooner]

Probably some weird French thing

[tidal bronze]

Yep, with good wine.

As long as you don't dump Moscato instead of pinot grigio after too much wine

[prisma briar]

I was using a rough build plate

This is one I tried on my smooth but scratched up build plate

I did not find the Bambu smooth high temp plate to be very durable.

It's got an outline of every print I've ever done on it still on it

It also absorbs hand grease like no other and unless I use gloves to take my prints off I have to wash it with soap between every print

[solar zealot]

Id kinda wish they offer a glass plate

[prisma briar]

Yea, in general I prefer the textured PEI plate because it just sticks well and comes free well but a smooth glass plate would be nice to get smooth surfaces from

[solar zealot]

That's probably one of the features I enjoy the most about the ender I have

Stuff sticks to the glass and it won't damage anything at all

[prisma briar]

Go away

Fun, Discord just drops the reply if the message you're replying to is deleted before sending

[prisma briar]

PETG will chemically bond with the glass, btw.

I put tape down on my ender 3 when I printed PETG on it

[solar zealot]

So far I've had no issues printing petg either

Just have to let the bed cool down a bit to loose the print but that works for me

No idea why pla seems to be the wanted child when petg is nearly the same experience but the much better result

[prisma briar]

Personally I generally like the look of PLA better

PETG is shinier and imo tends to accentuate layer lines

[gleaming crater]

That’s where fuzzy skin can be an awesome setting

[prisma briar]

fun, new keycap finished printing

🙃

[gleaming crater]

I bought an 8k resin printer just for printing keycaps

You can’t see any of layer lines

[orchid rose]

Oh printing your own keycaps is an interesting idea that somehow never occured to me. Now I wish I had my old Logitech keyboard with those useless G keys that I could make something like this for

[solar zealot]

All we need is matte, glow and faded petg to fix this

[prisma briar]

You still would've been stuck with those shitty romer g switches, lol.

[solar zealot]

Well first is effectively the same as wet petg

[prisma briar]

This smooth keycap feels pretty good to type on.

I popped my 'e' off and put it there to try it out

I don't like the textured plate for keys though

[forest edge]

lol the future https://youtu.be/ngb29-cV7hY?si=9503vRKMm7-Vx-A_

yup sooner or later we will be back tracking because "newer" is not better

assuming newer generations don't pop out too dumb to act considering the current rate

[prisma briar]

Lol, the keycap popped off the bed about 20 layers in and the nozzle picked it up and dropped it down my printer's poop chute.

[dire spear]

lookin good

[prisma briar]

Pretty sure intelligence has gone up steadily since we quit putting lead in everything. I'd hate to have had leaded gasoline vapors poisoning me and making me stupid.

[primal laurel]

Needs a brim I guess

[forest edge]

unfortunately it's not and they done proved that

[dire spear]

thats what television is for

[prisma briar]

That build plate just kinda sucks. It needs glue to be reliable but that ruins the surface finish.

[ocean oar]

Don't worry, we've just swapped TEL for microplastics 👍 Business as usual

[forest edge]

we certianly live a little longer but we are not getting smarter

[dire spear]

my house has lead pipes and asbestos siding. no ill effects to reporgefefhghngsdfjsr ... sorry, hand tremmor

[prisma briar]

It's lupus

[dire spear]

its never lupus

[prisma briar]

Except that one episode it was

[dire spear]

yeah but he was a magician, so noone cared

[dire spear]

the city replaced all the elad pipes to the front lawn, but you cant get undere my house to replace the rest

if i do my reconstruction i will have access and they can replace the rest. they need to replace the meter anyway,. so may as well do it all at once

[prisma briar]

Pretty sure my inbound water line is PVC

[primal laurel]

TikTok is the real damage dealer these days

Absolutely wrecking attention spans

[dire spear]

all new lines to the meter are copper. after the meter inside the house i have all pex

[dire spear]

is it? or is it just drawing in people that had no attention span to begin with

[forest edge]

it's not just that. hell people are "learning" from youtube videos instead of actually picking up a book lol

become a lawyer in 10 mins

[primal laurel]

Well it certainly made it worse

[ocean oar]

One of my friends just recently had to replace most of his interior water pipes.
There was a plastic water pipe product sold here in NZ back in the 70-80s that has a habit of just randomly exploding.
https://www.nzhousesurveys.co.nz/Events/19/Buyer-Beware:-Dux-Qest-Plumbing-

[prisma briar]

eschewing youtube as a source of gaining an understanding of something is quite out of touch, lol.

[primal laurel]

Depends what you watch. I've learned a great deal on YouTube for my master degree

[dire spear]

yeah. in the 70s we had real bad idea. aluminium wire, plastic everything - but not good plastic

[forest edge]

I rest my case lol

[ocean oar]

Yeah, this was definitely one for that list. Early kind of plastic water pipe, what could possibly go wrong

[dire spear]

youtube is an amazing resource for learning.

[primal laurel]

?

[ocean oar]

I'm lucky my house is from 1991, so has what was remarkably standard for that era; PEX cold + copper hot

[primal laurel]

For sure

[static schooner]

I learned all about the development of blue LEDs last night

[dire spear]

mine had copper everything, including the 3" drains

[prisma briar]

He's just trying to be a troll.

[ocean oar]

The Veritasium video? That was pretty cool

[static schooner]

And then the evolution of the sewing machine

Yep

[dire spear]

hehe

[primal laurel]

As always

[prisma briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qudfg5sIt0 I watched this video on blue LEDs yesterday, lol.

[ocean oar]

@static schooner Then can I also recommend this one about night vision goggles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeJHAFjwPM

[static schooner]

I was thinking 'poor guy' until they got to the point where he won the Nobel prize 🙂

[ocean oar]

Oops, forgot was same guy

[primal laurel]

Invention of blue LEDs opened up so many applications

[ocean oar]

But SmartEveryDay is my other long-form educational video entertainment

[static schooner]

I feel better about getting sucked down that rabbit hole than watching TikTok 🙂

Watch the one on sewing machines.

[prisma briar]

The utilization of gallium nitride has definitely been a step forward in electronics

[dire spear]

electroboom is a good one too

fellow canadish

😛

[forest edge]

nope

[prisma briar]

electrobooms videos are all "Here look at this scary thing I made and watch me hurt myself with it"

[dire spear]

yup

but its cool cause he uses the accidents to teach safety

[primal laurel]

Electroboom videos were part of the curriculum in electrical engineering, not even joking

[prisma briar]

https://www.youtube.com/@ElectricianU I've found this channel to be really good for answering home wiring questions

[dire spear]

although one accident was apparently real

[primal laurel]

Also really like that channel that does bizarre chemical experiments

Forgot the name

[dire spear]

nile red?

[prisma briar]

styropyro? nilered? explosions and fire?

[dire spear]

more different canadish

[prisma briar]

nilered is canadian I think

[dire spear]

yeah from ottawa

[primal laurel]

The one that has a series about an old chemical recipe book

[forest edge]

when it's something that has little chance of leading you to hurt yourself or others than it's ok. as long as you don't preach it as gospel just because someone on a video said so then nno harm or fowl

[prisma briar]

That was styropyro

[forest edge]

but most the crap I've seen on youtube videos are at most partial truths

[primal laurel]

Ah yeah that one

[prisma briar]

Most crap I've seen from you is a partial truth.

[forest edge]

well thats because you don't know any better

[dire spear]

had to find good home automation channels, cause 90% of them are just shilling products

[prisma briar]

I never watched any videos on HA stuff

[ocean oar]

I don't bother because 98% of it is "look at this cool product that's only sold in North America"

[dire spear]

also never try to look for video/cinema gear reviews. they thing a review is opening a box and calling their free sponsored gear amazing.

[prisma briar]

Yea, the only automation-related videos I've seen were 'Look at this product' or 'Look at this hyper-specific solution I found to my problem'

[forest edge]

odd I always see neat stuff that isn't sold in the US

[dire spear]

well thats a different issue

[prisma briar]

Mostly other channels I watch touching on automation for a bit

[dire spear]

usually i know enough about what im doing to just want a very specific solution. like how x plugs into y.

youtube is not great for that

[prisma briar]

Yea, when I need to control some weird device I don't google how to automate it, I look at what communication methods the device accepts control over.

[dire spear]

(for electronics)

for construction youtube is amazing though. "how to nail this type of connection" 39 videos pop up

"how to flash a window with 3m tape"

etc

surprisingly amazing

[forest edge]

now see thats where the trouble starts

[prisma briar]

Not sure why you think it's any different than somebody going to the library and grabbing a random book 30 years ago and doing a DIY project.

It's not like all books are good either.

[dire spear]

your inspector will kick you in the head if its wrong anyway

but the code book is often difficult to translate into visual understanding. watching soemone DO it can go a long way

[primal laurel]

There are a lot of crap books in engineering. Crap and expensive

Luckily there is libgen so i can preview it hehe

[dire spear]

like my NLT flooring. "boards mst be sufficiently spiked" is what code says. that the f does that mean

[forest edge]

its way different. YT video you are taking what is being talked about or shown as correct or acceptable. books and manuals are way diffrent because they are more regulated information

are there shit books? sure

[dire spear]

watch a video.. oh, it means nails this spacing penetrating at least 3 boards

[prisma briar]

You're lying to yourself if you think books were ever a regulated source of information

Like, what? 🤣

[dire spear]

all the books are online anwya

[forest edge]

in the sense they are deemed acceptable methods by code enforces etc? yes they exsist lol

[dire spear]

video are either a translation, or an accessory to the written material

[prisma briar]

what does that even mean

you can get continuing education videos online that are certified by regulating bodies

[forest edge]

hell most shit that is "certified" comes via a manual or book

[dire spear]

if you rely on just one source (even the code book which can have errors) you are an idiot anyway

[forest edge]

so you are broading outside of YT?

[primal laurel]

I learned calculus by watching videos from professor Leonard. Highly recommend him

[prisma briar]

If you rely on just the code book you're a fool. Nobody ever became a master at anything by only picking up a code book.

[forest edge]

are there instructional videos produced for learning? sure.. but lets be real those are not generally lost in the seas of youtube

[dire spear]

i never understood calculus well in school. i learned it better over time with online resources and just needing it in practical applications

[primal laurel]

3blue1brown proved there is a market for in depth high quality educational videos

[forest edge]

this one of those youngins know more than elder comments? lol

[prisma briar]

The accreditation programs have to be done outside of YT to get professional credit for the videos for things like license renewals but they're still just youtube videos. That electrician channel I linked earlier has a program like that.