the-water-cooler

[forest edge]

i call bs

[dire spear]

yeah, city here is suuuper anal unless you pay them off :x

[prisma briar]

Most places in the US have code enforcement for free-standing buildings

[forest edge]

seriously please go look up before flapping your lips

[prisma briar]

Because they don't want some outdated 'Whatever, it's good enough' attitude to kill people

[forest edge]

your motorboating is leavbing us all wet here

[dire spear]

garden sheds under a certain size (lawn mower type) noone cares. but anything rated for human occupancy needs to be strictly to code

[prisma briar]

Could you be any more old

[forest edge]

you must be why he needed that 3ft high foundation

[prisma briar]

Building codes are not a new thing

[forest edge]

for a 2x2 space

[dire spear]

my shed is 12x12

[forest edge]

close enough

[dire spear]

actually the steel one is 10x16

[prisma briar]

I don't know why you think the size matters

It's a free-standing permanent structure

[dire spear]

permanent being quite key

[prisma briar]

A billboard has code regulations and it's practically 2D

[forest edge]

lol size matters

https://tenor.com/view/size-matters-it-matters-size-its-important-fuller-house-gif-15158087

[prisma briar]

You can find a code book at your local library if you want to learn more about how to not be irresponsible when building something, Sonoma

Otherwise this all boils down to "Stubborn old man refuses to see the value in code"

[forest edge]

you've already shown you have absolutly no idea wtf you are talking about

[prisma briar]

Pot calling the kettle black there

[dire spear]

more of "man shouts at clouds because they willfully misiterpret discussion

[forest edge]

lol i was just about to write something about trolling

[dire spear]

ahnyways...

[prisma briar]

Honestly I wish he'd go away, every time he tries to contribute to a conversation it's the stupidest stuff ever

[forest edge]

but no, i am not trolling this round

[dire spear]

this worries me

[prisma briar]

I suspect his house is going to be a superfund site when he dies

[forest edge]

he's canadian, for all we know his code enforcment will require him to wrap his outhouse with a condom so it's irrelevant what american codes are in his case

[prisma briar]

What a stupid string of words

[forest edge]

the video of the shed foundation is pretty universal throughout the US with some exceptions

[prisma briar]

Our sheds were on cinderblock foundations

[forest edge]

dosen't matter

[prisma briar]

"pretty universal" except where it's not

[forest edge]

sheds in the US are not exactly strictly enforced

[prisma briar]

"doesn't matter" yea it does

[forest edge]

nope

[prisma briar]

We had our shed inspected

Inspections are literally designed to weed people with your attitude out, Sonoma

Because of all the stupid structures it's led to

[dire spear]

The law for accessories is under 15m2 you need no permit or inspection if it has no plumbing and is not meant for occupancy. BUT, it does still need to be built to code for liability.

[prisma briar]

inb4 "inspections are stupid waaah just do it"

[forest edge]

look up sheds.. when you purchase a prebuilt it comes with thefooting that is designed to sit directly ontop of bare ground. only some city codes come into play about requiring gravel or block or concrete in some locations

its universal

in the us

[dire spear]

also not relevant to ANYTHING we are talking about

[prisma briar]

If you look up a prebuilt shed it's going to expect you to pour a slab or have a foundation

[shy comet]

at least it seems...better not bring out the mosquittos though!!

[forest edge]

incorrect

you keep showing just how little you know about this lol

[prisma briar]

I can't find a single shed listed that's just 4x4's on dirt for the foundation

[forest edge]

what did i say

[prisma briar]

A bunch of noise

[forest edge]

most prebuiots come with that "foundation" attached on the bottom, they call them skids

[dire spear]

can you block people in discord?

[tidal bronze]

Yep. BTW did you notice an uptick last year. Never had mosquitos ever, but had a few bites last year. Strange

[prisma briar]

I'm looking at them now, they all want a slab poured or a foundation.

[forest edge]

what do you mean by "they"?

[prisma briar]

jfc

[forest edge]

show me what you are looking at

[dire spear]

weve had such weird spring cycles thats the last few years all the skeeters are dying off

[shy comet]

yea massive uptick...we have a new invasive species thats super hard to get rid of. Their eggs can stay dormant and dry for up to a year and can hatch in wet soil....its those ankle biters and are hard to see

[dire spear]

its been nice

black flies have been bad though

[prisma briar]

Just stop, man.

[shy comet]

everytime there is rain walk around the perimeter of teh house and tip over and puddles of water, the water is what allows them to hatch

[forest edge]

like i said

[prisma briar]

Like I said, you're a stubborn out of touch old man.

[forest edge]

just stop

your drowning now

[prisma briar]

you're*

[dire spear]

my shed plans call for a slab on grade with footing, or a stem wall on footing.

[forest edge]

see

[tidal bronze]

Yep gotta empty all the fountains

[dire spear]

i am they/them, so does that work for ya? 😛

muhaha

[prisma briar]

Sonoma, every time you pop in and try telling people how it actually is because of some half-baked experience you had 40 years ago all you get is everyone telling you you're wrong and to not do it that way. A normal person would have got the hint by now.

[forest edge]

we were talking about US code

lol everyone

[prisma briar]

Yes, literally everyone you pull this shit on I've ever seen has called you out for having no idea what you're rambling about.

You do this quite regularly

[dire spear]

k, i am blocking him please stop engaging so i dont have to block you to. 🙂

[forest edge]

I cannot help that you got caught flapping your lips on a subject you know nothing about and then felt backed into a corner

just what senstive kids do

[prisma briar]

Pot calling kettle black again

[forest edge]

wrong on that one

[dire spear]

anyhow. i want to build the shed from my video in someones yard as a demo. i need to find someone near me who wants a shed now. haha

[prisma briar]

You're wrong on everything

[forest edge]

one thing my generation isn't is sensitive lol

[dire spear]

i have no room left in my yard for another structure

[prisma briar]

Which is why you're still continuing and trying to claim you won an internet argument?

[forest edge]

interesting..

won an internet argument

this was a contest?

[primal laurel]

which one is that?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/major-payne-sensitive-gif-6261088

why they say each generation is getting dumber.. kids pop out thinking they know everything and refuse to listen to anyone who may know something that cannot be googled

[primal laurel]

you have a very odd obsession with 'this generation'

[forest edge]

i do

[primal laurel]

its getting kind of weird

[prisma briar]

Social decline is a geriatric myth

[forest edge]

I want to see it self destruct

[prisma briar]

And we don't, hence building codes

[forest edge]

lol he just cannot let it go

[prisma briar]

And not putting lead in everything

[forest edge]

so easily bruised

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-13261737358986789359

[prisma briar]

You're still going too, genius.

[dire spear]

so, what does everyone think of pineapple on pizza?

[prisma briar]

Should be against code

[dire spear]

see, now we cant be friends

[primal laurel]

fish on pizza?

[dire spear]

pineapple pizza is the greatest canadian invention. just ahead of insulin

[prisma briar]

Anchovies are alright but I hate how the smell of a fresh can lingers

[dire spear]

my brother put shriimp on pizza. i had to disown him

[primal laurel]

bbq chicken pizza

[dire spear]

i made a stuffed crust bacon pizza the other week

[primal laurel]

wow

I need this

[dire spear]

mm

my friend formatted my dough recipe as a pdf haha

[forest edge]

oh no.. insect breached your bubble?

i'll mail ya some bot flies to let loose and multiply

[tidal bronze]

Bugs, something I can't stand.

[forest edge]

good thing you don't live on earth then huh

[prisma briar]

Must not run Windows then

[tidal bronze]

Run windows?

[prisma briar]

Yea, the thing that came after DOS?

[primal laurel]

oh no, freedom units

[tidal bronze]

Hmm.. interesting take

[primal laurel]

now I have to convert everything to normal units

[dire spear]

haha

yeah canada is metric "officially" but people still cling to the past

the best is when we start to MIX units

or measure distances in hours

haha

(i think some americans do that too)

[prisma briar]

Depends on the city. Dense cities time makes more sense than for more rural areas, imo

[dire spear]

yeah fair

[primal laurel]

I dont get why you would measure something in cups though. Every cup is different. Okay someone came up with a measurement cup but still, makes no sense

[forest edge]

why is that hard to understand?

[dire spear]

the principle in the 1800s was it was a "relative" system.

[prisma briar]

My tablespoons hold more than a tablespoon too

[dire spear]

1 cup is a cup. regardless of what size that cup is

[primal laurel]

also I have a personal vendetta against the imperial system because it made electrical engineering more difficult

[dire spear]

later on it became an actyal standardised measurement. 1 cup is 246ml or so

[prisma briar]

The imperial system makes a lot more sense when you realize it was meant to be accessible and practical for a laymen to use and the measurements try to be based around to the real-life scenarios where they're used.

[dire spear]

nw we gave gram scales in the kitchen, pyrex graded dishes, its now better to go back to weights

[prisma briar]

And these days the imperial system standards are all based on the metric system standards which are based on universal constants

[dire spear]

imperial outlived its usefulness in the 60s probably.

for general use

but we all still cling to it

[prisma briar]

Yea, nowdays metric is the clear winner, but I can see how long ago needing to know something was around a foot was more important than needing to know it's exactly 30.48x the arbitrary distance 1cm is, though.

[dire spear]

yeah

[ocean oar]

Just gonna leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYqfVE-fykk

[dire spear]

not viewable

[prisma briar]

Not available in Canada, just like Washington would have had it.

[dire spear]

whatevs. we burned your little white house down

hehe

[prisma briar]

Yea well we wear you as a hat

[dire spear]

its a very nice hat thoguh

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze https://i.imgflip.com/4ikbcr.jpg

[static schooner]

That was pretty funny, and accurate

[red rock]

I was today years old I discovered that and were added to show people what they should press

[dire spear]

O_o

[tidal bronze]

I am starting to like LD2450. Time to mass deploy.

[static schooner]

they're supposed to make it easier, but it doesn't always work

is also good for threatening a ban

[forest edge]

not really. on dark background it's not exactly easy to make out least of all a very unimpressive hammer icon

[static schooner]

Looks pretty threatening to me

[forest edge]

i guess if you were a nail

[distant junco]

I guess you never heard of the dnepropetrovsk maniacs.

[forest edge]

prior to recent events the only thing i knew about Ukraine was they like to make things out of coffee grounds

[static schooner]

I make coffee out of them

[forest edge]

they make all sorts of stuff like glasses frames

[dire spear]

a useful tool

[distant junco]

I have something for you to google too. Kopi luwak.

[dire spear]

i cant remember the last time i used a hammer on an actual nail. 😛

[forest edge]

while nail guns are nice, they do certainly make one lazy

[distant junco]

I never used one but I'd probably be scared of them.

[solar zealot]

what would one be nailing that requires a gun

[forest edge]

scared of a nail gun?

[solar zealot]

unless its used by an american

everything works based on guns over there

[forest edge]

don't be jealous

maybe i'll shoot you a tshirt to make ya feel better

https://tenor.com/view/cannon-tshirt-mascot-nba-basketball-gif-17172598

[solar zealot]

not a raccon but i wont say no to a shot shirt

[dire spear]

Conrcete fasteners sometimes use literal 22ga shells. Fire them into the slab.

[solar zealot]

do they come in a bundle with the kitchen gun

[dire spear]

kitchen gun?

[solar zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-7NDP8V-6A

[dire spear]

oh god

[forest edge]

you just linked a commercial from the bbc

[dire spear]

hahaha

[forest edge]

the irony

[solar zealot]

an iron of some sort yes

[dire spear]

bbc makes satire video.. americans go "hey, where can i buy that?

althoguh in fairness, the uk is... .uh... not doing alright right now either

[solar zealot]

no but they have knife and tea licenses i heard

[dire spear]

well. yes...

[solar zealot]

and they cant park where they park

[tidal bronze]

So how is Canada doing?

[dire spear]

canda is "so far" alright, but i think theres a big crash coming.

[prisma briar]

You can get .22lr blanks at Home Depot

[tidal bronze]

Crash? Really?

[dire spear]

economic

[forest edge]

don't ask,, they having racial equality issues right now

[dire spear]

we'll see

its hard to predict even if you are a so called expert

2008 did very little to us for example

barely a blip

[solar zealot]

it will be the next mess yet another generation will need to clean up

[dire spear]

pretty much

[prisma briar]

Bad maple syrup harvest this year?

[forest edge]

and those generation will pop out of the womb with the be all solutions no doubt

[solar zealot]

it wouldnt be all that bad if the weather were any cool around here

[dire spear]

ha. i wonder if the upset winters do anything to maple syrup production

[solar zealot]

but without

[static schooner]

Running out of 'sorrys'

[dire spear]

haha

[tidal bronze]

LMAO

It's a tiny economy

[prisma briar]

I just instinctively read that in a Canadian accent

[tidal bronze]

So yep a blip

[dire spear]

sorry ya lost your house eh? heres some kraft dinner

[dire spear]

are you nuts?

[tidal bronze]

2T is tiny

[prisma briar]

You guys are on par with Brazil

[tidal bronze]

lol

[solar zealot]

(but they have nice weather)

[tidal bronze]

and syrup

[solar zealot]

and cartel issues, its brazil

[prisma briar]

Wait where are we talking about?

[dire spear]

um. same as brazil, but with with 1/6 the population

canada in relative terms is very rich

[prisma briar]

You manage your forest better too

[dire spear]

oh dear

sometimes yes

[static schooner]

If Canada is America's hat, the population is just the visible hairline

[dire spear]

my friend is from brazil. she is never excited to go home

[prisma briar]

I wouldn't mind a vacation down there but I don't think I'd want to live there

[tidal bronze]

Awesome beef, not so awesome humidity.

[prisma briar]

I like living in a place that has seasons.

[dire spear]

i hate humidity. toronto is relatively humid in summer and near 40C sometimes. yuk

[prisma briar]

I like living in a dry high altitude place with seasons.

[dire spear]

that would be ok. i used to live in northern BC. dry ish, relatively stable weather (-35 winter, plus 35 summer, but not eratic so you could get used to it)

bike trails in the back yard

ski hill accross the street

hehe

[prisma briar]

I'm about 5 miles from the mountain Stargate took place in

(in-universe, real-world it was in Vancouver)

[dire spear]

stargate? the tv show? that was made in toronto haha

i had a lot of friends on that show

[prisma briar]

SG1 at least was in Vancouver

[tidal bronze]

I'll take LA weather over anything and if need anything out of the norm then there's drive-thru weather. 🙂

[forest edge]

amanda tapping

[dire spear]

this was the show. they probably filmed multiple places. but production was at alliance atlantis here

[blazing musk]

Managed to put a brad nail in a finger once. Thankfully no permanent damage

[forest edge]

never hold what your nailing into from the bottom

[dire spear]

owwwww

dont do that

[distant junco]

It's not about it being a gun. I also don't like table saws but have no problems with a hand circular saw. I can't really explain.

[dire spear]

im fine with table saws, hate circular saws. although my track saw im not scared of

[blazing musk]

I have a SawStop for a reason

Though I thought you were saying the other way around

[blazing musk]

Also get the right clamps and wire brads bend to the side so adjust accordingly

[forest edge]

yea i've had a few shoot out from the side

[prisma briar]

If you're using a nail gun I'd do my best to avoid having anything you care about downrange

[forest edge]

still beats using a hammer on the super tiny ones

[dire spear]

ha

like pets, eyeballs

[prisma briar]

fingers

[dire spear]

i only have a framing nailer. electric. is a little scary

i use screws for almost everyting thats is allowed though

[prisma briar]

I have a pneumatic brad nailer

I got mine for putting up new trim

[blazing musk]

https://www.jlconline.com/how-to/interiors/avoiding-nail-blowouts_o

[dire spear]

trim screws from GRK

😛

[blazing musk]

I didn't realize it was possible to stan screws until I got GRK to mount custom cabinets

[dire spear]

mdf trim is so crap. cheap looks nice, but so easy to damage

[dire spear]

ha, yeah, they make some geuninely creative things

[prisma briar]

I'm getting ready to rip my kitchen cabinets out and replace them

Need to level the floor too

Going to be fun, never done that before

Also patch I'm sure a million mouse holes that are there now

[dire spear]

i tried to level my floor, and then had to rip it all out. theres 2 broken joists, the spans and spacings are bad, and you cant get under the house to do anything. so all i did was put 1" of plywood down and new hardwood :/

[forest edge]

hanging cabinets are easy with a few tricks

[dire spear]

well engineered wood

[prisma briar]

I was considering self-leveling concrete

[blazing musk]

Nice screws are nice to have though

[distant junco]

That's exactly my fear. Losing an eye like that.

[prisma briar]

I need to figure out how much it'll weigh

[dire spear]

thats what i did but i need 2" and the weight then caused the floor to sag and then it all cracked and tiles lifted and brok

[forest edge]

was referring to alignment and leveling. but yes using the right screws is wise

[dire spear]

i tried a few other tricks, but eventually gave up

bad house

well, bad joists

[prisma briar]

Yea, the slope in my kitchen is probably 4" deep at the worst

[dire spear]

the rest is actully retty good

[prisma briar]

It goes down from one wall to another wall that's shifted

[blazing musk]

What's fun is shimming the entire island you're installing because after 60 years your house isn't quite level anymore

[dire spear]

tiny hosue kitchen im getting quoted now.

[prisma briar]

Nothing in my house is level

[dire spear]

"almost" ikea able, but a couple custom bits

[prisma briar]

Hanging shelves sucks because some of the walls do stupid shit like tilt inwards

[forest edge]

well i can promise you it likely wasn't level to begin with lol

[dire spear]

eek

[prisma briar]

Not a lot, a few degrees at worst, barely enough for things to start rolling

[dire spear]

all interior wall in my house are now steel except the one centre load bearing 2x3 wall

[blazing musk]

I've cooked on tilted camp stoves so I was not going to deal with that every day on our cooktop

[dire spear]

hehe

[prisma briar]

Most stoves I've owned have had adjustable feet for leveling

screw them in/out to adjust the height

[solar zealot]

what a nice kitchen design

[blazing musk]

Cooktop is mounted direct to the counter, it's not a full oven/stove

[dire spear]

my front house wall is 1.5" out bottom to top. they put fake stone on the front, and garden beds, and it just trapped water and the sill plate rotted to nothing

[solar zealot]

how much is such house

[dire spear]

the tiny house?

[solar zealot]

yes

[forest edge]

countertops are not as easy

[blazing musk]

I've repaired a spot like that

It's stilted off the footer now

[dire spear]

the target is 100k cdn. plus devilvber, site work, permits, etc

[solar zealot]

how much space would that be apr

[dire spear]

luckily in mine theres a cast in ledge on the foundations, so the joists didnt fall. only made nice doors for rat houses. ha. i put in a new plate and wire mesh

[dire spear]

apr?

[prisma briar]

approximately

[dire spear]

ooh. the math for MY yard model suite, with a basement is 150k all in.

cdn

keep in ming i have to dig 7 ft of rock for th ebasement. so thats a good bit of money

[blazing musk]

I love excavator rentals

[solar zealot]

is this around 400ish sqft?

i mean i have no idea

[dire spear]

there are gov grants and programs, so the goal is that your mortgage on 150k plus taxes and the basics is LESS than the $985 maximum rent to meet the grant rules

[dire spear]

305 inside, 390 outside

[solar zealot]

that seems pretty reasonable

[dire spear]

its a nice layout so it feels quite roomy

high ceilings

[solar zealot]

nice

[dire spear]

hopoe to have them for sale end of year ish. we'll see how that all goes. lots of logistics in temrs of being able to join the 3 modules on tise

[solar zealot]

do they get put into a special location or something, because the property size isnt standard either

[dire spear]

laws here allow you to put one in the back yard of a main house, provided all buildings cover less than 40% of the land.

you arent (yet) allowed to put on on land alone

[dire spear]

the contracting internet has been fruitful the last few days...

[static schooner]

there are only so many Darwin awards to be given out...

[dire spear]

hehe

[solar zealot]

It's weird that someone looks at this and says yep that how we gonna roll with it

[dire spear]

yeah. right down to the vinyl wood grain on the shower doors

this was planned and deliberate

in all seriousness though, i think its mis captioned. i think it is actually a wheelchair elevator.

[solar zealot]

How would that work

[dire spear]

this type of thing

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-tube-gif-19333391

[dire spear]

obviously there needs to be some form of ramp with it

[solar zealot]

Interesting thing

[dire spear]

im just guessing. it may ell be a shower too

ha

but i dont want to beleive anyopne is that stupid

success

[gleaming crater]

Looks like the typical airbnb cabin lol

[dire spear]

oh man. ive been seeing a lot of "units" where the shower and toilet are just in the bedroom. no walls. How is that a thing!

[red rock]

I mean i sleep in my kitchen

[static schooner]

Bathe in your sink?

[gleaming crater]

Walls are for the bourgeois now apparently lol

[dire spear]

seems so

[static schooner]

Open Plan

Newspeak for Studio Apartment, aka One Big Room

[solar zealot]

one big room, thats some expensive talk!

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/kramer-seinfeld-drawer-dresser-japan-japanesse-gif-26266545

[dire spear]

if i have triplets ima gonna do bunk beds like that

[static schooner]

It's a Farbman

[blazing musk]

People were comparing this setup to a prison cell. https://seattle.curbed.com/2016/12/8/13885228/u-district-micro-apartment-toilet-tiny-prison-cell

[dire spear]

750? us i assume? yeah. oof

thats horrible

[blazing musk]

Yes. Seattle.

[dire spear]

is there a kitchen?

[static schooner]

you're lookin' at it!

[dire spear]

ah. so its just a "room"

wow

750

ha

[static schooner]

The unit is actually inside a congregate living building so you’ll share the kitchen and living room space with other tenants.

[dire spear]

1k here at least gets you a tiny basement bachelor. not nice, but not ... that

my brother had a place that had a shared bathroom. weird. (was from the 1800s or early 1900s in montreal)

[static schooner]

I think it's a little bigger than my dorm room in college, for 2 people

[dire spear]

ha

[static schooner]

But no bathroom or plumbing, that was down the hall

[tidal bronze]

HWhat?

[dire spear]

?

[tidal bronze]

Now I've seen everything 😆

[blazing musk]

What? It's the classic Montana 10 tax dodge

[dire spear]

what am i missing?

[blazing musk]

States with higher vehicle registration fees will often have people running around with Montana 10-year plates because they don't levy fees after 10 years (most states don't do that until 25-30 years)

[dire spear]

O_o

that plate says 2024 no?

here you just get a new insurance sticker every year. you can keep the actual plates forever

well, maybe not forever

til they design a new one

ha

[tidal bronze]

That and you almost never see a MT plate here. MT plate on Tesla. Oh boy. 🤣

[dire spear]

ahh

[tidal bronze]

Too funny. Everyone wants to take a peek at the driver.

[dire spear]

how far from montana are you. ive seen montana plates in toronto

ive seen most us state plates here are some point

[tidal bronze]

1200 miles to Los Angeles.

[dire spear]

ahh

[tidal bronze]

It's not the distance. It's the city. Lol

[dire spear]

montana people like to see the ocean too

maybe

[tidal bronze]

Lmao.

[dire spear]

i dont think i know any montana people

minisota yes

kansas

i lived in LA for 1 year

rode my bike from my place in burbank through hollywood, got to dogers stadium and no longer felt comfortable. turned back

ha

[tidal bronze]

I don't think any place, anywhere in the world is unsafe. As long as you know what you are doing.

[dire spear]

yeah. im not afraid of any place in toronto but i get "told" all these no go horrible crime ridden youll get murdered areas... one was my moms aparment block.

ha

(which is perfectly nice)

[tidal bronze]

I travel a lot. I don't believe in any of these "no go places" There is no such thing, as long as you do what the locals do.

[dire spear]

my brother went to Lima. he wanted to visit an old church. touristy place. so he walked from the hotel..... through gang land... the lady at the church was like "ok, how are you alive? ill call taxi"

he also went on a bus that almost fell off a cliff

they have some sketch mountain roads

[tidal bronze]

Peru is interesting. So is Bosnia

Fantastic street food.

[dire spear]

i never go anywhere. i hate travelling

[blazing musk]

They don't live in Montana. They're dodging taxes

[tidal bronze]

It's the best thing ever, I travel for food.

[blazing musk]

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/08/07/montana-registration-tax-dodge/

[tidal bronze]

Just like Delaware

[dire spear]

oooh, i get it now

register out of state

thats not allowed here, i think you can have out of provicnce plates to 6 months

[tidal bronze]

Same here

[dire spear]

one thing i noticed in LA was a lot of nic cars, bmw, porsche, etc that were smashed up. like smashed fenders. but they just drove them like that, never fixed em

someone told me is was cause they didnt report the accidents for insurance

dunno

[blazing musk]

It's like 90 days most places here but it's not enforced very well.

[tidal bronze]

Never noticed that, then again I don't drive much.

[dire spear]

this was almost 20 years ago

maybe different now

[tidal bronze]

Most of the time in my airport ride sleeping lol

[dire spear]

ha

i used to sleep on the airport ramp. hiding from supervisors.

😛

[tidal bronze]

lol

[dire spear]

pre 911. cant do any of that anymore haha

[tidal bronze]

I average about 150 flights a year. I am a master at sleeping

[dire spear]

eeeeew

heck im not sure my cousin does that and he flies an a320

haha

hmm. seems 1000h a year is a limit or something. canada be big, so thats 3-5 hours a flight

[tidal bronze]

BTW Toronto got some kickass food.

[dire spear]

does it? ha. it has pizza hut. burger king.

nah, thgeres a few nice spots

but i mostly cook my own food

so i dont go to a lot of restaurants

[torpid glacier]

150 flights a year? One every two days?

[iron granite]

Two every five days.

[dire spear]

5 every 2 day

[broken sundial]

hello everyone i am trying to flash my sonof zigbee pro with tasmota or something else , which allows me to connect zigbee devices and make those devices visible in Home Assistant (using MQTT) . is there someone who successfully achieved this ? please go to #zigbee-archived 🙂 👍

[umbral cliff]

#zigbee-archived will help you
There is no support in this channel

[broken sundial]

Thank You ! i'll place it in Zigbee

[last cedar]

Only support for raccoons

https://tenor.com/view/v-a-sly-racoon-gif-20903335

[umbral cliff]

You mean how to turn it into racoon filament?

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-rocket-raccoon-no-gif-12690997

[forest edge]

time to go back to horse and buggy https://youtu.be/t9DNBxpvxs0?si=3BCknyCsfCU1d_AH

[fervent epoch]

I was actually thinking about this the other day...i wonder if you get a horse, if all those climate activist would complain about the Co2 levels of a horse vs. a car 😄

It was very insightful though. Thanks for sharing.

[solar zealot]

people only need a donkey. Those sports horses need too much food

[forest edge]

there will always be someone to complain about everything

[gleaming crater]

If you got a horse the neighbors would probably complain about the shit it leaves all over the road lol

[static schooner]

That was a real problem in cities in the horse and buggy days

[forest edge]

just invest in a bun bag

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze well you all complained about a water shortage then turned around and complain about having it. https://apnews.com/article/california-storms-atmospheric-river-pineapple-express-18997dd8bac897c4115d0f453d0bc058

[red rock]

You have water that's annoying

we have farmers

again

[gleaming crater]

Isn't that basically the crux of environmental change? You get more weather extremes instead of calmer and more predictable cycles

[shy comet]

thats what happens when you get more than 50% of annual rain fall in a single storm lol

we aint built for rain lol

[gleaming crater]

Arid landscapes are terrible at absorbing large volumes of water regardless

[prisma briar]

Dried out dirt is significantly slower at absorbing water than moist dirt so in areas that are really dry the water tends to pool on the surface and flow around

[gleaming crater]

Its basically the same as an oxidation layer on metal

And the same reason why good coffee brewing starts with a "bloom" before pouring the rest of the water

[static schooner]

If history is any judge, do not bet against the Dutch on staying dry

[red rock]

Worst case we start colonizing again

Let's take New Amsterdam back

[static schooner]

Genius engineering

[orchid rose]

Gekoloniseerd

[red rock]

kokosnoten zijn geen specerijen

[gleaming crater]

Letting the lights turn on before the morning alarm is not good for the WAF, I think it's time to re-do my bed occupancy sensor lol

[static schooner]

now that's a sexy AR/VR headset

[gleaming crater]

Who actually sleeps with one of those instead of just buying blackout curtains?

[red rock]

People who have a husband who have an automation to turn on the lights before the alarm goes

[gleaming crater]

Lol touché

I put more failsafe in the automation that burned me lol for now

But it might be time to dig out my old sensor that had load cells under each bed leg and redesign it to be more stable lol

[primal laurel]

You can measure breathing rate with mmwave and detect if you're sleeping or not

[gleaming crater]

lmao

[glacial knot]

People in hotels or on planes

[gleaming crater]

Planes I get but I've yet to stay in a hotel without good curtains

[glacial knot]

I've yet to stay in a hotel with curtains on the level of my blinds at home

[tidal bronze]

What hotel groups?

[red rock]

Lmao last weekend I was in Brussels at the same hostel we were 5 years ago

The stickers of our study association were still on the roof

[forest edge]

wtf is this? you uploading home videos of your gross food now?

[solar zealot]

Sounds like a lot of fun

[static schooner]

took me a while to figure out there are several red and black umbrellas in that picture

is it raining in there?

[red rock]

No they're trying to be ✨ Fancy ✨

[solar zealot]

i am living on the edge
started a nine hour print without checking the settings

[last cedar]

With things like they are in 2024, we need all the entertaintment we can get

[prisma briar]

What printer?

I do that on my Bambu all the time

[solar zealot]

It's an ender 3v2
Printing a model of an x1c

[prisma briar]

I don't even check the default settings unless I need some specific property out of the end product

[solar zealot]

It may combust at random

[prisma briar]

I really need to get my Ender 3 back up

[solar zealot]

The spool holder is a rotating jewelry display with a hub glued on

[orchid rose]

I tried a long print once and when I woke up I found meters upon meters of spaghetti on my kitchen floor. I haven't had the courage to try those since. It even wrapped a ton of filament around the nozzle which I didn't even notice which caused all the subsequent prints fail as well 😦

[prisma briar]

The non-AMS spool holder sucks and kept tangling up my TPU so right now my spool holder is a screwdriver wedged between a screw hole and a wall

[solar zealot]

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
The filament is not the best but as good as I managed to afford

I'll send a pic if it later

[prisma briar]

Kept flipping the TPU off the spool on retracts then wrapping tight around the spool holder

Bambus can technically do TPU, that's about all I can say for their competency with it.

[dire spear]

i dont think you want it. its a bit dirty and gross now.

[ocean oar]

Pizza rat. Never forget

[dire spear]

mmm pizza

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/tmnt-master-splinter-thats-right-that-is-correct-that-is-right-gif-23465524

[prisma briar]

I wonder if home depot carries MC cable that's just the ground conductor inside

I need like a 10/0 mc cable, lol

[dire spear]

they sell bare ground wire. normally ground wire is bare when separate

[prisma briar]

I considered that but I can't guarantee nothing will disturb it if it's bare

I have enough flex conduit for it but that sounds like such a waste

[dire spear]

hm

is it something that needs to meet code,?

[ocean oar]

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Southwire-100-ft-4-1-AC-Stranded-Bare-Armored-Ground-Cable-55160223/311042849
Apparently yes?

[dire spear]

4 awg though

ha

[prisma briar]

Not really, I'm just retrofitting a ground to a receptacle that was wired before ground was required.

[dire spear]

overkill

[ocean oar]

There's 6awg too

[prisma briar]

It's only a 30A circuit, I believe all I'd need is 10awg for the ground

If I'm reading nec 250.122 right

[dire spear]

yeah 10ga for 30

thats what i have for my dryer. 10/3

[prisma briar]

My dryer was on 8/3 aluminum with no ground conductor

[dire spear]

this will also need 10/3 burried line

ah, we dont really do aluminium here except mains

its legal, but noone really uses it

[prisma briar]

I only have aluminum for the dryer and the oven

[dire spear]

copper is so expensive right now though

[prisma briar]

Yea, that's why I was considering just using a bare wire

I have a strand of bare 8awg

[dire spear]

what about digikey. maybe they sell bare wire.

[prisma briar]

If I go bare I'm just going to use this wire I have on hand

[dire spear]

ah

[prisma briar]

I'm not going to use a single 8awg conductor for anything else

[dire spear]

oh, wait, right., you want housed

nm

ha

im confusing myself

[prisma briar]

I might run it bare along the ceiling then drop it through a box into like a 5' run of flex

[dire spear]

for ac90 tek90 i have a commercial place. home depot has very little of that here

[ocean oar]

This is yet another place the US desperately needs to convert to metric

[dire spear]

ha

[ocean oar]

Wires measured mm² are so much easier to think about

[dire spear]

are they?

[prisma briar]

Coming into it completely blind yea

but once you've used awg a bit it's not hard

mm^2 means something on it's own, it's the area of the cross section

awg means nothing without a reference

[dire spear]

for code, its a bit like a 2x4, which is not 2 or 4 inches. but you KNOW what its for and where its allowed

anyhow

[prisma briar]

A 2x4 originally was 2x4 when wet

Though that standard is long gone

[dire spear]

the 2x4s in my house are 1.625x3.625

[prisma briar]

They're also probably dry

And surfaced

[dire spear]

2x4 (8/4) is the rough sawn dimension. they are then dried, and shaped to a final size after drying. but over time they went from 1.75, to 1.625 to 1.5 final dimensions. partly to save wood and partly thats what testing showed was adequate structure.

anyhow. some houses here have literal tree trunks for floors

ha

commercial "nail laminated timber" is another cool toronto thing. where they took 2x4s or 2x6s on edge and nailed them all together.

[prisma briar]

My floor joists are on metal stilts, the joists and everything above are wood

Metal stilts are on concrete pads

[dire spear]

jacks or actual structural permanent posts?

[prisma briar]

Originally jacks then a previous owner had foundation work done and they put a few posts in

[dire spear]

theres not a ton of metal in houses here (older ones). almost entirely wood and brick in this area

[dire spear]

ah, so not original spec

[prisma briar]

Yea, the house was settling weird. There's about 5" slope between one corner of my house and the other

[dire spear]

my floor could use some jacks

[prisma briar]

ignoring the subfloor problem in the kitchen

[dire spear]

i have one more room to refloor, and its the worst one. withthe broken joists. i may cut a big hole and try to jack it up. but i also dont want to then distrupt everythign else

break all the drywall

[prisma briar]

Heh, I cut out about a 5' strip of drywall so I could relocate the outlet for my dryer and uncovered two split studs in it

[dire spear]

doh

[prisma briar]

Had to cut them out and put in replacement pieces of 2x4 and some steel plates to hold them in place

Well, I didn't have to, pretty sure they weren't load bearing

I think someone just screwed too big of screws into them

I kind of wish I could've met the previous owner of this house

Some of the solutions he found to problems were, uh, creative

[dire spear]

they butchered my poor house so bad.

[prisma briar]

When I moved in there were shelves in the garage framed with angle iron, with old hollow-core doors for the shelves themselves that were covered in the original shag carpet the house came with

There's also an outdoor patio area that they built a roof on by running joists between my house and the neighbor's house.

idfk how I'm going to clean that mess up

idfk how it got built in the first place

There's zero chance it's up to any code

[dire spear]

ha

if i was rich and my land valuable (well more valuable) id just rip it all down and build new

but aint no body for time for that

ha

[prisma briar]

I found one of the guys I'm leasing a room to is regularly pulling 20A off of a 15A receptacle down a 30' extension cord, which is super. I'm going to run some 10/3 to a 4 gang block outlets out there evenly split between two 120v 30A circuits.

[dire spear]

that partly why i want the tiny house though. so i can live in it if i need to rip aparty the main house. take all the joists out etc

[prisma briar]

There's a 30A circuit running out to a subpanel there but the only thing wired on it is a single 15A outlet

idk why

[dire spear]

odd

[tidal bronze]

Shhhh..... let me upgrade frigate to 13.1 in peace.

[dire spear]

my house had remnants of knob and tube everywhere

[prisma briar]

My house was made in the 70s so nothing like that

[dire spear]

not in actual use luckily

lots of cloth wrapped wire

[prisma briar]

The worst I have to deal with is aluminum

[dire spear]

electrical panel got moved to a completely illegal location

[prisma briar]

Which basically meant I needed to buy a new screwdriver

[dire spear]

weirdos

ha

all copper in this house, including every pipe. 3" copepr stack

gonna reuses that for something one day ha

[forest edge]

oh? anything new thats cool?

[prisma briar]

My sewers are pvc but all my incoming pipes are copper

[tidal bronze]

Super fast.

[dire spear]

sewer is under ground is iron

water line to the meter is lead

[prisma briar]

I just had all my iron ripped out and replaced with PVC last September

[forest edge]

thats so descriptive

[dire spear]

after the meter is all new by me in pex

and abs drains

[prisma briar]

I had the iron pipe break under my house and didn't notice until I started smelling it, that was fun.

[dire spear]

and steel framing. its not bad. just wish the structure was good

[prisma briar]

Thankfully I got insurance to cover cleanup for it

[tidal bronze]

Well the DB to local makes a big difference. I just pulled the latest and upgraded the HACS. Let's see how goes. I am running 2 x TPU so it's always been fast to detect but the events are supers fast now.

[dire spear]

my neighbour had a tree grow throigh their iron sewer

[forest edge]

ah your running it as an addon

[tidal bronze]

Nopes

Standalone docker

[dire spear]

hmm. 5" from siding to grade. thats not really enough.

hmmm

[prisma briar]

My parents had a tree grow through their sewer but the damaged part was all outdoors, shallow, and a shorter run than mine so it was comparatively cheap for them

[forest edge]

what do you mean by local?

[dire spear]

this was outside, but it flooded their basement

only house with a basement herte

ha

[prisma briar]

Mine cost me about 8k for the sewer and 6k for the cleanup that insurance covered all but $1000 of

[dire spear]

noone wanted to dig the rock except them

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge the cards etc HACS Frigate 5.1

[dire spear]

also you need a sump to have a full basement here. cause the sewer is too high up

[forest edge]

oh i don't use that stuff

wonder if I should give tensor a try over my coral

[tidal bronze]

Wife uses it on the iphone. I don't

tinycam for me.

[prisma briar]

I feel I at least know enough about electrical to figure out what I need to do to safely/correctly accomplish something but I have no idea what I'm doing with plumbing, lol. I rerouted two pipes like 4' and the soldering looks like a toddler did it in a hurry.

[dire spear]

plumbing is "easy" but to actually make anything fit in walls can be near impossible

[prisma briar]

Though that was also my first attempt at soldering so at least it doesn't leak

[dire spear]

soldering, yeah, no. i use pex. much easier and cheaper now

[prisma briar]

I didn't bother. I was going to cut the pipes through the wall then I hit a section where it was 5 studs all mashed up to each other where two walls intersected and just gave up and routed it through the back corner of a closet.

[tidal bronze]

Try and let me know.

[forest edge]

oh nice they finally improved the export for recordings

[tidal bronze]

I am running 22 cams

[forest edge]

with only two tpu's?

[tidal bronze]

Yep

[prisma briar]

The way the studs were laid out were going to make soldering a pipe joint there impossible, I would have been needing to make a connection in the middle of that block of studs

[forest edge]

you prob don't get a lot of motion though right?

[tidal bronze]

Hmm I do. But loads of motion masks.

Fast as PIR

[dire spear]

bleh. haha

[forest edge]

may have to be a beefy card to support 22 cams lol

assuming the same card is doing all the decoding etc as well

[tidal bronze]

All outdoor motion is on Frigate so I rely on it very much.

I don't care about people, just dog detection.

[static schooner]

I've been able to get rid of most of my motion masks after moving to Frigate 0.13

[forest edge]

the export and the min presence adjustment both sounds pretty nice. aside from that I don't see much new in terms of what I use

[prisma briar]

A coral can do like 100 detections a second and seems to do 4 or 5 every time it detects motion. You can configure a different stream for the displayed feed and the feed used for motion detection so you can set a slower framerate for detection too

[forest edge]

surprised it took this long for the jetson nano to get supported

[prisma briar]

I think the 4 or 5 is dependant on detection feed resolution

[tidal bronze]

how so?

tips ? Tricks?

[static schooner]

that + a tuned Frigate+ model have significantly reduced any false negatives/positives

[tidal bronze]

copy

I just installed. So got some digging to do.

[static schooner]

motion only matters if it results in an object detection

I used to go crazy with masks, but it was a cat and mouse game

[forest edge]

you create that model yourself?

[tidal bronze]

Took me some time but it's dialed in now on my setup. I almost never get a false detection.

[static schooner]

no, I meticulously tagged almost 2000 images and used Frigate+ to generate a new model

[tidal bronze]

Nice

Any improvements in night time?

[forest edge]

wtf.. I didn't think he had added any of that stuff yet

[static schooner]

I used to get false positives in a specfic area with chairs and landscape lighting and I haven't gotten one in a while

I also used to get false positives as the sun filtered through my pergola, but that was during certain times of the year. can't say if that's completely gone yet

[forest edge]

I only have one camera that gives me false positives.. shadows + grill. ironic how many posts I've seen about grills being detected as something else lol

[static schooner]

the latest base model includes all the false positive tags

[tidal bronze]

Darn it. I shouldn't have opened a bottle of wine at 10AM. Too much to handle now LMAO

[static schooner]

so hopefully that's helping

[forest edge]

wtf.. AM.. dude.. atleast wait till PM ya drunk

[tidal bronze]

Was celebrating.

[dire spear]

next phase of my hosue work... ha. structure is all done, most of the drywall. kitchen installed. just mostly needs all the finish work

[forest edge]

colonoscopy cleared with no scares?

[tidal bronze]

That and closed on another 4-plex

[forest edge]

4plex.. your realitor?

[dire spear]

why you closing 4 plexes. we need to open them 😛

[tidal bronze]

You know.....:-)

[forest edge]

i should have known.. only those types do the shit you do lol

[tidal bronze]

That hurts

[ocean oar]

Biggest thing that's helped my cameras is IR floodlights for nighttime.
I swear whatever motion detection Ubiquiti have included freaks out at its own sensor noise.

Nice bright picture, far fewer spurious alerts. Go figure

[tidal bronze]

That's not a bad idea at all. But too much work.

[ocean oar]

$50 on Amazon, 30 minutes running cable

[tidal bronze]

30 minutes is the problem 🙂

[ocean oar]

Fair enough

Also despite the terrible name, this actually seems to be a decent product: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BWXGCJYK

[tidal bronze]

I would do that in heartbeat if I was worried about humans

[last cedar]

This looks too nice to live in 🤣

[ocean oar]

This is the difference it makes. UniFi doorbell (non-pro), in-built IR LEDs vs floodlight on

[tidal bronze]

Outstanding!

[last cedar]

I can ask all my raccoon friends to stay away, if you can sort some custom raccoon emojis on the server...

So you won't have to worry about them

[static schooner]

aren't you worried that the distortion will make raccoons look fatter than they really are?

[tidal bronze]

I have a problem with the 6 strong family that takes over my driveway.

[last cedar]

Only at the edges of the frame

[last cedar]

I see no problem with that 🤣

[static schooner]

hard to tell if they're ready for harvesting

[tidal bronze]

I do. Come home after dinner and I am idling until they decide to move. Not OK!!!!!

[last cedar]

Ooof

I would enjoy watching them, but I know they are poor pets and too aggressive for their own good

But so cute

[dire spear]

one day, when im a real boy

😛

[tidal bronze]

They are cute. So I don't mind. The 2 young ones got attitude

[last cedar]

I think you need to provide som pictures tbh @tidal bronze

[dire spear]

racoons are funny here. they attack your suff, and you run out to chase them and they look at you like "what?"

[tidal bronze]

Next time for sure.

[last cedar]

I was tagged in this earlier..

[dire spear]

aw

[prisma briar]

Your car is bigger than them

You don't need to wait

[tidal bronze]

lol

[forest edge]

if it's not a speaker it isn't worth it amirite

[dire spear]

mostly theres just rats here. and squirrels.

[last cedar]

Lol, perfect time to get bitten, not good

[tidal bronze]

Yes, sir!

[dire spear]

yeah i leave them alone

[prisma briar]

I've spooked racoons walking out my front door a couple times

[dire spear]

theres a big squirrel nest in my maple tree. 50 ft up

they steal all my vegetables

[last cedar]

Not wanting to stir the pot with the IR light, I went for a colour night vision set of cameras, been more than happy with them (dahua full color 2).

Only using a few dim gu10s around the house and they perform very well

[last cedar]

You need to knock

[tidal bronze]

I haven't seen the fam recently. Hopefully the shit ton of Cayotes didn't get to them @last cedar

[static schooner]

ahhh, cute raccoons chewing on romex...

[dire spear]

romex is yummy with a bit of basil and parmesan

[last cedar]

They stole it from the local meth head, and gave them rabies

[tidal bronze]

Romex with finger juice?

[static schooner]

this one is tingly...

[wet cairn]

Has anyone made some flow chart I can follow to decide on the method of accessing my home server remotely? I'm kind of overwhelmed with the choices + all the new terminology I'm having to learn.

This is what my setup is like if someone does want to make recommendations:
I have a Linux computer I'm treating as a dedicated server.
Each service I would want to access is its own docker container.
I bought a domain for only this with Cloudflare set up.
The only devices I'd access it from are my phone (Android), laptop (Mac OS), and Steam Deck (Linux)
Ideally, I'd like to access it using something like [thatdomain]/homeassistant, [thatdomain]/jellyfin, etc

[clever mortar]

The last point won't work for HA

[solar zealot]

the easiest way would be setting up a cf tunnel and some of their fw rules

[clever mortar]

Otherwise CF tunnels all the way

[tidal bronze]

@static schooner what happened to go2rtc page?

[solar zealot]

alternatively you could port forward or utilize a self hosted vpn and some local dns hackery

or a combination of either, whatever you feel the most happy with

[static schooner]

I don't use it, but I assume that it's still there

[wet cairn]

ok. That's probably the least important point anyway.
I'd probably only use this in cases where a 1 time setup is needed anyway

[forest edge]

showing just the json data?

[solar zealot]

it mostly never is a one time setup

but there is fairly little youd actually need to ever touch

[tidal bronze]

That sucks

[static schooner]

I see now, not sure what's up with that

there's a 1.8.5 that some folks have been updating to for some reason

[solar zealot]

personally i run cf dns records through port forwarding against a local caddy proxy, which does the access management and reverse proxies the services id like to have accessible

such may or may not work depening on your available nat type, in some cases the cf tunnel is the only way to go but that doesnt change a whole lot necessarily

[forest edge]

has to be a bug

noway they would have changed the UI to that lol

[prisma briar]

I'm just getting redirected to the home page when I try to hit my webrtc streams now

http://frigate:5000/live/webrtc/stream.html isn't working

[umbral cliff]

With caddy is it possible to force a service through something like keycloak? I know in traefik you use forward auth

[wet cairn]

Oh, not sure if my internet situation would cause problems with any particular method.
There's just ethernet ports in my apartment connected to the internet. Whatever router or modem handles them isn't in my apartment.
I plugged my own router into it and set it up in router mode and connect everything to that.

[solar zealot]

personally i dont see why this wouldnt possible, it has auth forwarding as option
https://caddyserver.com/docs/caddyfile/directives/forward_auth
it likely is a bit different from how to set it up with traefik

[umbral cliff]

So you don't have your own network you pay for? You just share someone else's network?

[tidal bronze]

CF tunnels if you are not going to use file syncing that uploads more than 150mb like photo sync apps etc.. The universal answer would be reverse proxy (nginx proxy manager in my case) and CF

[umbral cliff]

Ooh neat thanks!

[prisma briar]

Or just set up a VPN

[umbral cliff]

If it's nated then only tailscale could be an option then

[solar zealot]

i got myself a small template for the basic configuration
https://github.com/Horstexplorer/Docker/blob/main/Caddy/Caddyfile
might need to extend that with the keycloak thing but so far i have no need for it

i just block external requests where they shouldnt happen

[prisma briar]

Could get a VM from some hosting company and VPN to that

I've done that before

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzeso glad you brought up the broken frigate 13.1 update..i didn't like the go2rtc ui anyways lol

[prisma briar]

yea thanks for that

:P

I think it did stuff to my databases too so I can't revert without restoring backups

[wet cairn]

My network is isolated from other apartment's in the building. I pay for internet, but my apartment requires I buy it from them. It's just added to my rent.
Since there's no choices I could make, there isn't anywhere for me to really get info on the setup.
I've asked the front desk a few questions, but they can't answer anything beyond "how do I connect to the internet". I think some other company sets the system up, and the people who actually work here know nothing aout it

[tidal bronze]

CF tunnels

[prisma briar]

Or move to a place that has real internet

[solar zealot]

^^ ;D

not the fake internet with its signed bytes

[prisma briar]

Speaking of real internet I can get 8Gbps symmetric fiber here now

Ditching Comcast on Feb 24th, lol

[solar zealot]

can you send one of those gbps to me

[prisma briar]

I'm only going for the 3Gbps plan

[tidal bronze]

@shy comet isn't it perfect weather for some IN-N-OUT?

[prisma briar]

$60/mo more for 8Gbps I can't really take advantage of seems kind of pointless

[solar zealot]

cant wait for them to put in fibre in <a couple years> so i could get the full 250mbps i pay for

tho in fairness the contract states its only 175

[wet cairn]

My internet is around 400mbps download/250mbps upload and has only had 1 outage in the past year. So it actually is pretty good quality.
It's just that the lack of info is annoying for cases like this

[tidal bronze]

You don't need to think or worry just go with CF tunnels

[wet cairn]

I prefer my internet with its imaginary bytes

[prisma briar]

My internet with Comcast is 2400Mbps down/200Mbps up but it goes out all the time

[dire spear]

my internet feels like 56k most of the time

[prisma briar]

My Comcast connection goes out to the point that I went and got a backup 5G connection

[solar zealot]

but does it do the cool beep boop brrrrrrp

ssssssssssssssssssssssss

[dire spear]

i have to do that myself

[solar zealot]

sadness

[dire spear]

canada internet is expesive and slow.

[prisma briar]

I'm hoping the fiber will be solid enough I can ditch the 5G connection too

[red rock]

I mean comcast is a provider this bad that we even know it from across the ocean

[tidal bronze]

Is internet access still a thing?

[solar zealot]

internet on cds

[wet cairn]

When I was in college I felt that.
The internet in my dorm was around 50kbps download max. There were 500 people crammed into pretty small building, and the system was not built to handle that. (This was 2016 for reference)

[dire spear]

aol

[solar zealot]

you wouldnt download an internet

[prisma briar]

In most areas Comcast doesn't go out 10 times a day for a minute or two every day for years on end

[dire spear]

my current internet is 6.5mbit down cause they damaged the fibre and i call them to repair it and they never do. for like a year. this is what i get for $75 a month

sigh

[red rock]

I get euh

[prisma briar]

That's what I'm looking at moving to

I'm paying about 160/mo for 2400/200 from Comcast right now

[solar zealot]

price for life internet

the price is your life or the one of a loved one

[dire spear]

1 gig here is like $400

[prisma briar]

I assume price for life is them banking on computers continuing to get faster and faster so the price keeps going down and down

Which seems likely at this point

[wet cairn]

I initially read that as "$100 a month for 3GB of network activity max" not "$100 a month for 3Gbps internet"

[dire spear]

price for life means no how much better and how much cheaper it gets, they will still charge you the original prioce

thats better than before, but still horrible

[wet cairn]

I lived with my parents for a bit after school, who had internet through comcast, and it was really frustrating.
The speed was decent. But there was a 1.5TB download limit per month shared between 5 people. And 3 of them were in constant video calls for school and work.

[dire spear]

limit on mine was 300gb

not sure what it is now

they claim unlimited, but thats never true

[solar zealot]

its kinda fun around here, you can use whatever you want but if you use over a tb a month you will be monitored

[prisma briar]

https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/f6e53d89-ac11-41dc-bf34-8c24f88fafe5.png https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/294d8533-ada7-412b-8a00-b58999db2091.png

[wet cairn]

I think with comcast it was $5 per 50gb over that 1.5TB limit. So they don't throttle your speed, just charge you extra.

[static schooner]

The first is similar to mine

[solar zealot]

wtf

as if it would cost them a cent even

[prisma briar]

You can get unlimited internet from comcast for like $20 more a month too

[wet cairn]

But the plan with true unlimited was only $15/month more and my parents refused to upgrade to that, even when I offered to pay them the $15/month.

[dire spear]

(supposed to be 50/50)

[prisma briar]

I'd just cause an overage every month if I didn't have unlimited

I've been doing more than 1.5TB/mo some months for like 15 years now, lol

[dire spear]

i dont use that much. youtube, and vpn to work is the big things.

remote machine

at 60hz

no, 48hz.

close enough

hungry

ha

[static schooner]

Get you some fish

[dire spear]

no i meand the vpn is hungry

not me

i ahve oreos

haha

[prisma briar]

You're probably just on coax for a 50/50 plan

[dire spear]

nah fibre

[solar zealot]

i have yet to get a month to use more than 5tb

[dire spear]

i doubt i hit 100gb

on my phone i rarely hit 100mb

[ocean oar]

I've done 31.7TB in the last year; 2.6TB/mo average.

[dire spear]

but i still pay $100 for 20gb cause Bell needs their money

what are you downloading to hit 2tb

[solar zealot]

steam updates ^^

linux isos

[dire spear]

oh.. i did once do multi tb cause i had to send an entire unreal engine game across the vpn.

(i hated that project)

haha

[forest edge]

this does not fix the issue. at least not for me

[ocean oar]

Problem you have here in NZ is the last-mile access is pretty great - nearly 90% coverage of the country with "gigabit" GPON (usual DL/UL about 900/400Mbps), and options for 2/4/8G - but since half the stuff you want isn't hosted/cached/mirrored in-country, latency is a massive throughput killer for everything else

[static schooner]

I didn't see anything in the release notes or issues for go2rtc

[forest edge]

me either

[umbral cliff]

Live in a place where the most under unlimited they could get you with is fair use
Or basically are you maxing your connection constantly for a month

[static schooner]

I forgot it had a UI

[forest edge]

what are the odds only us 4 today experince this lol

[dire spear]

in nz the internet is transported by sheep

[wet cairn]

same for me
plus games taking 100s of GB of space breaking with the suggested fix being "reinstall the game"

[umbral cliff]

NZ and Australia should merge. We've got plenty of stuff in country

[solar zealot]

there is so many space for tux and raccoons

[static schooner]

Aren't they sworn enemies?

Like Spain and Portugal

[wet cairn]

also me feeling obligated to seed any torrent I download until the end of time

[dire spear]

my cousin married an aussie. it was a tense wedding reception

[umbral cliff]

NZ is in our constitution as a possible state lol

[solar zealot]

like the french and france

[static schooner]

Excellent. Mainland china and Taiwan then

[dire spear]

france is the sworn enemy of soap

runs

(im half french)

[prisma briar]

Unlabeled axis is gb

[dire spear]

crazy

if my connection was constant maxed id get 2tb

i guess i can see that

constant videos, games etc

[prisma briar]

I hit like 9TB once when I had a VPS backing up to my house that bugged out and kept sending a full image over and over

[dire spear]

i dont play games

[umbral cliff]

For the last month lol
Or 2.6TB used

[solar zealot]

january was digital detox? ^^

[dire spear]

january he was banned from steam?

ha

[prisma briar]

1.7tb is detox?

[tidal bronze]

Are you guys really tracking your home usage?

[prisma briar]

Comcast tracks it for me

[dire spear]

dont need to. the bell website will track it

[tidal bronze]

huh

[solar zealot]

i just look at the total values from time to time

they didnt even bother calculating a gb value

[tidal bronze]

Does it really matter?

[prisma briar]

Yea, this data is useless to me outside of comparing to other people on Discord

[solar zealot]

sometimes it does

[dire spear]

ha

[solar zealot]

because they may monitor your usage more or less heavy

[umbral cliff]

My ISP has it in their app
I check it for cases like this lol

[prisma briar]

If I was on a metered plan I'd care more

[solar zealot]

its less about changing it but being aware of that

[tidal bronze]

Never knew or want to know.

[umbral cliff]

Fair that's you
I like comparing lol

[prisma briar]

But if I was on a metered plan hitting 3.2TB would also cost over $300 in overages

[dire spear]

ew

[prisma briar]

I wonder if there's a point where Comcast caps overage fees and decides you've paid for unlimited internet that month

[umbral cliff]

Used the app more for troubleshooting cases than for checking data
And I've done troubleshooting like 4-5 times over the last 2 years (and most of that time was when I was tinkering with the setup and forced it to resync with the new router)

[tidal bronze]

Even on phones we don't use WIFI and never check that even.

[ocean oar]

Tracking, no. But I have SNMP monitoring on my router so I can just look at the total bytes.

[prisma briar]

I haven't tracked data usage on my phone in years

[prisma briar]

I only ever hit the data limit on my phone like once when I had a limit

[dire spear]

at work we used to monitor cause we could see who was downloading stuff and not actually working

haha

[umbral cliff]

Ive never hit my phones data limit in the last 5 years or so
180gb currently I never come close

[prisma briar]

We monitored our fileshares for movies and videos

[tidal bronze]

5G UC is faster than wifi anyways at my place. So why bother tracking anything.

[solar zealot]

because we can ^^

[dire spear]

why bother doing anything?

[umbral cliff]

Statistics are fun

[dire spear]

its fun

[tidal bronze]

Yes sir, other than wine

[dire spear]

whine

[umbral cliff]

You get over 600mbps on 5G?

Indoors that's not bad for the UW version

[prisma briar]

The 5G modem I have from Verizon works as a 5G repeater too which is nice

[forest edge]

superior 4g here

[tidal bronze]

In the bathroom

[dire spear]

no 5g here

[umbral cliff]

That's slower than wifi for me (mainly upload, download about the same) but neat

[tidal bronze]

Haven't turned on WiFi in ages

[prisma briar]

This 5G modem has a larger antenna than my phone does and can rebroadcast the 5G signal over 5GUW

[umbral cliff]

Whilst I don't care about needing a mobile data extender. Just give me wifi and I'll use wifi calling (like what I have to do in the office lol)

[umbral cliff]

Why pay for it then. Seems a waste

[forest edge]

you remotely connect to shit using your phone inside your own home? lol

[tidal bronze]

50 or 60 people on plex mostly from Australia and UK so gotta keep it going.

[prisma briar]

Still increased my 5G signal speed by like 2x indoors.

Which I'm not going to scoff at

[umbral cliff]

Then why not use it. Seems kinda pointless

[tidal bronze]

Split DNS WG is always on anyways

[prisma briar]

^ I don't really pay any attention to if my phone is on wifi or not

[umbral cliff]

Ive got gigabit internet, I don't need 5G indoors. Or any phone reception indoors really

[forest edge]

hard pass

[umbral cliff]

I leave wifi on, let it connect when needed

[tidal bronze]

WiFi is only for in-flight